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From the New York Times:

Donald Trump Bashes Alicia Machado Again, Alleging a ‘Sex Tape’ (Without Evidence)

By ALAN RAPPEPORT SEPT. 30, 2016

… Mrs. Clinton responded later in the morning on Twitter by calling Mr. Trump “unhinged” and said his treatment of Ms. Machado was unwarranted.

7h
Hillary Clinton ✔ @HillaryClinton
This is…unhinged, even for Trump. A few notes. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/781788223055994880

Hillary Clinton ✔ @HillaryClinton
What kind of man stays up all night to smear a woman with lies and conspiracy theories?
7:53 AM – 30 Sep 2016

Unlike the presidential candidates, Bobby Abreu appears to be maintaining a dignified silence, so far.

The real policy question here, of course, is what kind of vetting are immigrants given before they are handed citizenship and the vote?

Commenter ATX Hipster says:

You’re right Trump should be hammering his issues 24/7. But Ms. Machado is his issue – she is the physical embodiment of the raw deal Americans have been getting on immigration for the past 50 years. What could make the ideological split more vivid than having Hillary trot this woman out in front of America and say, “This is the kind of person I want to bring more of into the United States”?

Usually the Left shows us outliers, or at least somewhat respectable immigrants with redeeming qualities – hard-working Dreamers – and tries to convince us they’re representative of the broader immigrant population. Now they’ve given us somebody that embodies every negative stereotype Americans have about hispanics – trashy sexuality, prone to erratic fits of violence, and an anchor baby by a drug lord – and make it abundantly clear that if you want this woman and her family and their car on blocks next door to you, then Hillary is your candidate.

I don’t want Trump to spend a ton of time or energy on it, but ignoring something that plays to his narrative so well would be a mistake.

On the other hand, the problem for Trump is that it would look better if he were talking about immigration policy, while his surrogates were pointing out that Mrs. Clinton’s Killer Example turns out to be a perfect illustration of what’s wrong with current immigration policies.

But The Megaphone can pretty much ignore anything said by anybody who isn’t, personally, Donald J. Trump. They have to cover him, which is how he’s gotten so far over the last 15 months.

 
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  1. the whole thing seems like an elaborate trap including the obvious questionable past of this Machado. They knew this would be like crack for Trump and he would not be able to help but debase himself

    They should lay another few traps with little business men he stiffed who actually may have done questionable work to get him in the mud again

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @granesperanzablanco


    the whole thing seems like an elaborate trap including the obvious questionable past of this Machado. They knew this would be like crack for Trump and he would not be able to help but debase himself
     
    Yes, and Trump stupidly blundered right into it. No wonder Hillary was so arrogant and giddy. She had Trump stumbling around like a punch-drunk. He fell for every trap she set for him.

    Remember, folks, we here are all for Trump not because he's the best man to take on Hillary and the Dems, but because he's all we've got. The Republican cucks sold us out like the Judases they are long ago. Trump may be 100% right on the issues, but he's still basically a carnival barker, and he's up against professional liars who have made careers out of lying, manipulating, cheating, and trapping their enemies. They're GOOD at it. Hillary was slicker than wet dogshit during the debate, and except for the "I'll release my tax returns when you release your 33,000 deleted e-mails" Trump looked awful. That was the one solid punch he landed all night, and it wasn't enough.

    I pray to God he wins... but as an unbiased observer I would counsel that your keep your powder dry, you're gonna NEED it (literally, because Hillary WILL ban your guns).
  2. Trump is now behind 4 percent nationally. Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum.

    • Replies: @granesperanzablanco
    @Johnnywalker123

    "Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum."

    LOL. Has that ever happened in history? Does anyone care?

    Replies: @WJ

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Johnnywalker123

    And he's up in the LAT poll by 6..

    The fact you didn't link it means that it's likely got a sample size of 500 that oversamples D by +15. What a sad little male you are.

    , @Eric Novak
    @Johnnywalker123

    The unbiased average of liberal polls shows Hillary up by 25 points since Hillary's call-out of Trump as a Latina abuser.

  3. @Johnnywalker123
    Trump is now behind 4 percent nationally. Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum.

    Replies: @granesperanzablanco, @Jack Hanson, @Eric Novak

    “Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum.”

    LOL. Has that ever happened in history? Does anyone care?

    • Replies: @WJ
    @granesperanzablanco

    Actually a lot of people care. Not enamored with Trump but knowing that the criminal Clinton has vowed to unleash the third world on our borders is enough to be NeverHillary. The old criminal is too weak, hopefully, to get her agenda passed , or like so many other things she has said, she has no intention of doing them.

    Whatever poll is being referred to is within the margin of error.

  4. This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary’s lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Dave Pinsen

    Why can't he do that now? Given that the story keeps going and the MSM won't let die, maybe he should do what you say at his next big rally and tie this whole thing into the larger immigration/vetting issue.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary’s lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.
     
    That's all he has to do.

    Trump just needs to avoid getting into one of his pissing matches *with Machado*. He should not be attacking Machado one iota.

    He should simply state the facts about Machado--driveby shooting, threatening judge, sex on camera while engaged to someone else--while attacking Hillary.

    -- Lowlife Machado is Hillary's idea of an everywoman--Hillary must have a pretty sorry opinion about women.
    -- Hillary actually chose this woman as her debate prop.
    -- Hillary couldn't even vet one woman to see she wasn't a criminal involved in attempted murder!
    -- How is Hillary going to vet 600000 Syrians. With Hillary's record of vetting, we're going to have a lot of killers, criminals and pond scum pouring into America.
    -- Hillary thinks American citizenship is literally worthless, even a lowlife deserves it ... if they'll vote for Hillary.
    -- Hillary thinks 25% of Americans are "deplorable", because they think America belongs to Americans. But Hillary thinks low-life Machado is so wonderful she's Hillary's every woman.

    In contrast:
    -- But I think American citizenship is *valuable*--the most valuable possession a lot of Americans have.
    -- America should only take immigrants who make America better *for Americans*.
    -- If we are taking any immigrants it should be the best of the best. People of good character, who have high skills and who will assimilate to American norms and values.
    -- We should not be given away American citizenship to people of poor character just because they'll vote for Democrats.

    Don't attack Machado. Use Machado to attack America's lax give-it-away immigration system and attack Hillary's judgment, competence and contempt for Americans and American citizenship.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  5. This entire episode makes me feel like taking a shower. They are both losers.

  6. It’s all over but the crying, folks.

    That was true before the election started, btw.

  7. Trump will release the tape once the job of pixelating the man involved is complete.

  8. From the NYT article:

    Fact-checkers have found no evidence that Ms. Machado, who was featured in Playboy, appeared in a sex tape. Her critics may be referring to a risqué scene that she appeared in on a reality television show.

    The reality television show…that showed her having sex with a man and talking about his throckmorton…while she was engaged to another man.

    But the ‘fact checkers’ say it’s not real.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Flinders Petrie

    To be fair, it wasn't a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @antipater_1, @guest, @candid_observer

    , @candid_observer
    @Flinders Petrie

    These are the same people who think it's OK to call Trump a liar in headlines because his lies are so blatant.

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Flinders Petrie

    Throckmorton? I hadn't heard that before. Tallywacker perhaps, but not throckmorton.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie

    , @Coemgen
    @Flinders Petrie

    "Throckmorton" or "John Thomas" for readers who haven't studied radiology.

  9. “Donald Trump Bashes Alicia Machado Again, Alleging a ‘Sex Tape’ (Without Evidence)”

    There is an army of guys willing to fact check this one.

  10. The Dems always find some woman with outlandish credentials that they prop up, support and dismiss any criticism of as sexist, racist, ageist, etc. Remember Sandra Fluke, who could afford Georgetown Law School but not a package of condoms. Trayvone Martin’s mother, who lost her son to a white supremacist, after she tossed him out of her house. Samaria Rice, Tamir’s grieving mother, with drug dealing convictions. So why not Ms. Machado, with her venial sins, and you better not criticize her.

  11. In the same breath as he questions the nonsense of Importing Alicia Machado, Mr. Trump ought to bring up non-citizen Arcan Cetin the Murdering Turk voting in three elections.

  12. @granesperanzablanco
    the whole thing seems like an elaborate trap including the obvious questionable past of this Machado. They knew this would be like crack for Trump and he would not be able to help but debase himself

    They should lay another few traps with little business men he stiffed who actually may have done questionable work to get him in the mud again

    Replies: @Dr. X

    the whole thing seems like an elaborate trap including the obvious questionable past of this Machado. They knew this would be like crack for Trump and he would not be able to help but debase himself

    Yes, and Trump stupidly blundered right into it. No wonder Hillary was so arrogant and giddy. She had Trump stumbling around like a punch-drunk. He fell for every trap she set for him.

    Remember, folks, we here are all for Trump not because he’s the best man to take on Hillary and the Dems, but because he’s all we’ve got. The Republican cucks sold us out like the Judases they are long ago. Trump may be 100% right on the issues, but he’s still basically a carnival barker, and he’s up against professional liars who have made careers out of lying, manipulating, cheating, and trapping their enemies. They’re GOOD at it. Hillary was slicker than wet dogshit during the debate, and except for the “I’ll release my tax returns when you release your 33,000 deleted e-mails” Trump looked awful. That was the one solid punch he landed all night, and it wasn’t enough.

    I pray to God he wins… but as an unbiased observer I would counsel that your keep your powder dry, you’re gonna NEED it (literally, because Hillary WILL ban your guns).

  13. @Dave Pinsen
    This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary's lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad

    Why can’t he do that now? Given that the story keeps going and the MSM won’t let die, maybe he should do what you say at his next big rally and tie this whole thing into the larger immigration/vetting issue.

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump had been rising in the polls in the month before the debate and pulled even by reading off the teleprompter and sticking to the talking points while news events played out to make him and his proposals look better. He really should have been more disciplined and not have taken the bait on this one.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Anonymous

    I don't think his "proposals" matter to the remaining undecided. In this election the narrative gap is vast, and most of the undecided still camp across the canyon in liberal land, even if they don't like its sanctimonious lectures over the loudspeaker. They need to know that Trump believes that our nation is primary to his self, and that he knows what he is doing and can do it. The affirmation of others would provide confidence to their decision, so the media onslaught against Trump is a huge factor. In fact, it is the only factor. Policy means nothing to the vast majority of voters. They are looking for a leader. I agree that he has not yet demonstrated that he can slay the dragon of deceit that suffocates our nation, but I applaud his determination.

    , @Eric Novak
    @Anonymous

    Take the bait on what? That voters will rise up to defend a degenerate cockroach? The campaign signals for improved polls from polling companies for Hillary every time they put out propaganda that is repugnant and grotesque to the great majority of voters. Bewildering is the left thinks (independent and undecided) voters like these bizarro aliens and welcome them to America.

  15. I’m starting to think that Hillary’s people knew Ms. Machado had a shady past, but were hoping that Trump would handle it pretty poorly if her past did become an issue.

  16. @Flinders Petrie
    From the NYT article:

    Fact-checkers have found no evidence that Ms. Machado, who was featured in Playboy, appeared in a sex tape. Her critics may be referring to a risqué scene that she appeared in on a reality television show.
     
    The reality television show...that showed her having sex with a man and talking about his throckmorton...while she was engaged to another man.

    But the 'fact checkers' say it's not real.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Coemgen

    To be fair, it wasn’t a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    Yet Bobby Abreu was upset enough about it that he broke off their engagement.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    , @antipater_1
    @Anonymous

    So you are saying it wasn't a "true" sex tape? If they had turned the lights on and used regular cameras, would that make it a "true" sex tape?

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    It wasn't a sex tape, except insofar as it was a tape of her having sex.

    , @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, because there's a clearly agreed upon definition of "sex tape", and the lighting and no night vision is key.

    Right.

    And of course a mere tape with sex, including moaning and descriptions of sex organs, doesn't count.

    Everybody knows that. It's been agreed upon by all parties.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @larry lurker

  17. Anonymous [AKA "Nom D. Cyber"] says:

    The capsule is: “Madam Secretary sponsors sub-Kardashian international hoochie mama for citizenship” and I think it’s a great issue for Trump. He doesn’t have to avoid talking about it too much, he has to avoid overdoing *one example* of the problem. Put it in context, de-personalize, etc. and he can spend every interview next month on this subject. Hillary is a magnet for gangster molls who talk dirty on reality TV, yes, but she also wants to import some less entertaining folks too.

    HRC’s pushback should by no means be interpreted as proof she wants to make her stand on this hill. Flood the Zone!

  18. No way this one is a winner for Hillary. First of all anyone who is moved to vote by “fat-shaming” is either a 300 lbs. lesbian or a 220 lbs. middle-aged divorcee. They are already voting Hillary. it’s not gonna change any votes. And Senora Machado’s liaison with narco kingpin “El Indio”, her death threats against a judge, her sex tapes, etc, disqualify her in the mind of any reasonable person.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @JimboHarambe

    This is an obvious attempt by the liberal establishment to get Trump bogged down in the culture wars and away from vote winning issues like immigration and law and order. Trump isn't particularly right wing on abortion, gay rights, gun control etc so they are putting an intense focus on his real or supposed sexism. No doubt the intention is to lure away working and lower-middle white women who are otherwise be attracted to his policies on trade, immigration and law and order.

    As Steve argues, Trump should use this issue to complement his crime/immigration focus. Mentioning her dodgy sex life was probably a bad idea, as it makes this a social morals/gender politics issue - not really a good idea for someone into casinos, beauty pageants and trophy wives.

  19. @Anonymous
    @Flinders Petrie

    To be fair, it wasn't a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @antipater_1, @guest, @candid_observer

    Yet Bobby Abreu was upset enough about it that he broke off their engagement.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @iSteveFan

    "If she's not good enough for Bobby Abreu, she's not good enough for America!"

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @iSteveFan

    "Bobby Abreu has a better vetting policy than the US government!"

  20. @Anonymous
    @Flinders Petrie

    To be fair, it wasn't a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @antipater_1, @guest, @candid_observer

    So you are saying it wasn’t a “true” sex tape? If they had turned the lights on and used regular cameras, would that make it a “true” sex tape?

  21. @Flinders Petrie
    From the NYT article:

    Fact-checkers have found no evidence that Ms. Machado, who was featured in Playboy, appeared in a sex tape. Her critics may be referring to a risqué scene that she appeared in on a reality television show.
     
    The reality television show...that showed her having sex with a man and talking about his throckmorton...while she was engaged to another man.

    But the 'fact checkers' say it's not real.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Coemgen

    These are the same people who think it’s OK to call Trump a liar in headlines because his lies are so blatant.

  22. Trump is his own worst enemy. I hope by 2020 we can field a smart, slick, young nationalist to blow President Kaine out of the water.

    • LOL: L Woods
  23. @granesperanzablanco
    @Johnnywalker123

    "Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum."

    LOL. Has that ever happened in history? Does anyone care?

    Replies: @WJ

    Actually a lot of people care. Not enamored with Trump but knowing that the criminal Clinton has vowed to unleash the third world on our borders is enough to be NeverHillary. The old criminal is too weak, hopefully, to get her agenda passed , or like so many other things she has said, she has no intention of doing them.

    Whatever poll is being referred to is within the margin of error.

  24. @Anonymous
    @Flinders Petrie

    To be fair, it wasn't a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @antipater_1, @guest, @candid_observer

    It wasn’t a sex tape, except insofar as it was a tape of her having sex.

  25. @Anonymous
    @Flinders Petrie

    To be fair, it wasn't a sex tape as the term is technically and commonly understood. She was on a Big Brother style reality show, and apparently had sex with another housemate. The lights were out and the footage was captured by night vision cameras.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @antipater_1, @guest, @candid_observer

    Yeah, because there’s a clearly agreed upon definition of “sex tape”, and the lighting and no night vision is key.

    Right.

    And of course a mere tape with sex, including moaning and descriptions of sex organs, doesn’t count.

    Everybody knows that. It’s been agreed upon by all parties.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Porn videos don't count as sex tapes.

    Having sex on a reality show isn't the same thing as a sex tape.

    , @larry lurker
    @candid_observer

    I'm not Anonymous, but in case it was a hit-and-run commenter:

    I agree that it has nothing to do with lighting (Paris Hilton's tape was mostly "night vision" IIRC...) But when you hear "sex tape", you think of an amateur recording, often made by the subjects themselves, and often leaked to the public. There's some wiggle room there, but there's no way that something shot by professionals for a reality TV show and with the full knowledge and consent of the participants would qualify as a sex tape, any more than my cassette copy of 1999* qualifies as a "mix tape" because it is a "mix" of 11 different songs.

    Trump flubbed a bit. It happens.

    (Wow, there actually is a Wikipedia article.)

    * for the record, the tape that began my love affair with The Purple One was left in my stereo by a much older brother who was visiting in the late 80's/early 90's. I wasn't alive when 1999 came out so I'm technically a millennial, if just barely.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

  26. There are dozens of ways Trump could’ve presented Machado’s past that made more sense than saying “check out her sex tape.” This was one of the biggest unforced errors of the last two years.

    Someone in Trump’s team probably reads iSteve, but evidently the subtleties of what is important and what is not get lost in translation to the big guy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Spotted Toad

    That no one on Team Trump can figure out the kernel of this case leaves me speechless and distraught.

    All Trump has done is shift the focus from his "fat-shaming" to his "slut-shaming".

    A potential win turned into a loss.

    The truth exists in an echo chamber.

  27. On the other hand, the problem for Trump is that it would look better if he were talking about immigration policy, while his surrogates were pointing out that Mrs. Clinton’s Killer Example turns out to be a perfect illustration of what’s wrong with current immigration policies.

    But The Megaphone can pretty much ignore anything said by anybody who isn’t, personally, Donald J. Trump. They have to cover him, which is how he’s gotten so far over the last 15 months.

    Which is why he has to do a big press conference making all the connections for the American public*:

    1. Refer viewers to the CNN video of Trump and Machado which makes him look sympathetic
    2.Point out her sordid past
    3.Lead into the immigration failure it represents
    4.Tie it off by presenting Hillary and the colluding media in the context of the election

    But the best one can hope for in this wreck of a human being in late night twitter ranting. Hillary played this one well given the obvious psychological weakness of Trump and yet he could have turned this one into a great rebuttal.

    *Ideally he would lie to the press again by not actually entertaining any questions. Or better yet only answering 2-3 from pre-selected people before leaving abruptly in feigned disgust at the media.

  28. @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, because there's a clearly agreed upon definition of "sex tape", and the lighting and no night vision is key.

    Right.

    And of course a mere tape with sex, including moaning and descriptions of sex organs, doesn't count.

    Everybody knows that. It's been agreed upon by all parties.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @larry lurker

    Porn videos don’t count as sex tapes.

    Having sex on a reality show isn’t the same thing as a sex tape.

  29. @JimboHarambe
    No way this one is a winner for Hillary. First of all anyone who is moved to vote by "fat-shaming" is either a 300 lbs. lesbian or a 220 lbs. middle-aged divorcee. They are already voting Hillary. it's not gonna change any votes. And Senora Machado's liaison with narco kingpin "El Indio", her death threats against a judge, her sex tapes, etc, disqualify her in the mind of any reasonable person.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    This is an obvious attempt by the liberal establishment to get Trump bogged down in the culture wars and away from vote winning issues like immigration and law and order. Trump isn’t particularly right wing on abortion, gay rights, gun control etc so they are putting an intense focus on his real or supposed sexism. No doubt the intention is to lure away working and lower-middle white women who are otherwise be attracted to his policies on trade, immigration and law and order.

    As Steve argues, Trump should use this issue to complement his crime/immigration focus. Mentioning her dodgy sex life was probably a bad idea, as it makes this a social morals/gender politics issue – not really a good idea for someone into casinos, beauty pageants and trophy wives.

  30. @Flinders Petrie
    From the NYT article:

    Fact-checkers have found no evidence that Ms. Machado, who was featured in Playboy, appeared in a sex tape. Her critics may be referring to a risqué scene that she appeared in on a reality television show.
     
    The reality television show...that showed her having sex with a man and talking about his throckmorton...while she was engaged to another man.

    But the 'fact checkers' say it's not real.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Coemgen

    Throckmorton? I hadn’t heard that before. Tallywacker perhaps, but not throckmorton.

    • Replies: @Flinders Petrie
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I picked that one up as a slang word in college. I'm not sure its origins, although it's in urban dictionary.

    Replies: @Lurker

  31. @Johnnywalker123
    Trump is now behind 4 percent nationally. Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum.

    Replies: @granesperanzablanco, @Jack Hanson, @Eric Novak

    And he’s up in the LAT poll by 6..

    The fact you didn’t link it means that it’s likely got a sample size of 500 that oversamples D by +15. What a sad little male you are.

  32. @Anonymous
    Trump had been rising in the polls in the month before the debate and pulled even by reading off the teleprompter and sticking to the talking points while news events played out to make him and his proposals look better. He really should have been more disciplined and not have taken the bait on this one.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Eric Novak

    I don’t think his “proposals” matter to the remaining undecided. In this election the narrative gap is vast, and most of the undecided still camp across the canyon in liberal land, even if they don’t like its sanctimonious lectures over the loudspeaker. They need to know that Trump believes that our nation is primary to his self, and that he knows what he is doing and can do it. The affirmation of others would provide confidence to their decision, so the media onslaught against Trump is a huge factor. In fact, it is the only factor. Policy means nothing to the vast majority of voters. They are looking for a leader. I agree that he has not yet demonstrated that he can slay the dragon of deceit that suffocates our nation, but I applaud his determination.

  33. Jack Hanson says:

    Good grief I just scrolled through this comment thread in which a bunch of pathetic cucks screech it’s over and they’re doomed.

    Absolutely nothing has changed but you rejects are so up your own asses with inside baseball “lawgic” it’s no wonder that the immigration restriction game has never gotten off the ground. You make the same mistake the MSM does in assuming reality is the Narrative.

    All I see is a bunch of battered emasculated cucks looking for a reason to declare defeat so they can go back to crying about how put upon they are. This is the “alt right”? A bunch of nerds who got picked last in kickball who can’t leave slave mentality behind them.

    Sad!

  34. @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, because there's a clearly agreed upon definition of "sex tape", and the lighting and no night vision is key.

    Right.

    And of course a mere tape with sex, including moaning and descriptions of sex organs, doesn't count.

    Everybody knows that. It's been agreed upon by all parties.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @larry lurker

    I’m not Anonymous, but in case it was a hit-and-run commenter:

    I agree that it has nothing to do with lighting (Paris Hilton’s tape was mostly “night vision” IIRC…) But when you hear “sex tape”, you think of an amateur recording, often made by the subjects themselves, and often leaked to the public. There’s some wiggle room there, but there’s no way that something shot by professionals for a reality TV show and with the full knowledge and consent of the participants would qualify as a sex tape, any more than my cassette copy of 1999* qualifies as a “mix tape” because it is a “mix” of 11 different songs.

    Trump flubbed a bit. It happens.

    (Wow, there actually is a Wikipedia article.)

    * for the record, the tape that began my love affair with The Purple One was left in my stereo by a much older brother who was visiting in the late 80’s/early 90’s. I wasn’t alive when 1999 came out so I’m technically a millennial, if just barely.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @larry lurker

    Please.

    Again, the idea that "sex tape" can only apply in the case of something that is done by amateurs and then leaked is a complete fabrication.

    It is of course by amateurs typically that sex tapes come about -- how often are sexual acts going to be filmed on a reality show, as opposed to by the participants themselves? Maybe when people hear that there was a sex tape, they think it's of the more common amateur variety, precisely because it's more common. But it has nothing to do with whether most people would hesitate to call something a "sex tape" if they found out it was done in a reality show.

    There is absolutely no reason to think that this sex tape was in any way faked, or that Machado and her new best friend weren't going at it for the reasons that couples always go at it. So it's not intentional pornography in any case.

    And in fact the sex tape is if anything only worse than in the more common case of a private filming later leaked, precisely because Machado and Tasty knew they were being filmed, and Machado knew she would be found out to be screwing around, and Machado went ahead with it anyway.

    In pretending that "sex tape" doesn't apply in this case for one lame reason after another, you're just making things up.

    Replies: @larry lurker

    , @Anonymous
    @larry lurker

    I agree with this definition, although I would note that a sex tape does not have to be leaked to the public or intended for public consumption. It can be purely for private use and consumption.

  35. I’m confused. I also heard about the Alicia Machado sex tape. So I googled ‘Alicia Machado sex tape,’ and I found a pornographic video under that label. I assumed that was it. Since I don’t know what Alicia Machado looks like, and I don’t know what she looked like twenty years ago, I may have been duped. Is the tape one finds through google not her?

    joeyjoejoe

    btw: the sex tape I found was not a big brother type show. And it was not a tape of a couple in the dark. Much better than that.

  36. @Dave Pinsen
    This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary's lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @AnotherDad

    This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary’s lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.

    That’s all he has to do.

    Trump just needs to avoid getting into one of his pissing matches *with Machado*. He should not be attacking Machado one iota.

    He should simply state the facts about Machado–driveby shooting, threatening judge, sex on camera while engaged to someone else–while attacking Hillary.

    — Lowlife Machado is Hillary’s idea of an everywoman–Hillary must have a pretty sorry opinion about women.
    — Hillary actually chose this woman as her debate prop.
    — Hillary couldn’t even vet one woman to see she wasn’t a criminal involved in attempted murder!
    — How is Hillary going to vet 600000 Syrians. With Hillary’s record of vetting, we’re going to have a lot of killers, criminals and pond scum pouring into America.
    — Hillary thinks American citizenship is literally worthless, even a lowlife deserves it … if they’ll vote for Hillary.
    — Hillary thinks 25% of Americans are “deplorable”, because they think America belongs to Americans. But Hillary thinks low-life Machado is so wonderful she’s Hillary’s every woman.

    In contrast:
    — But I think American citizenship is *valuable*–the most valuable possession a lot of Americans have.
    — America should only take immigrants who make America better *for Americans*.
    — If we are taking any immigrants it should be the best of the best. People of good character, who have high skills and who will assimilate to American norms and values.
    — We should not be given away American citizenship to people of poor character just because they’ll vote for Democrats.

    Don’t attack Machado. Use Machado to attack America’s lax give-it-away immigration system and attack Hillary’s judgment, competence and contempt for Americans and American citizenship.

    • Agree: ic1000, ic1000, ic1000
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @AnotherDad

    Maybe. But this is not America 1960. A large piece of the electorate does not see a beautiful, manipulating adventuress as pond scum. Many people admire, even envy her position. I'm not certain your very rational response would be effective.

  37. @larry lurker
    @candid_observer

    I'm not Anonymous, but in case it was a hit-and-run commenter:

    I agree that it has nothing to do with lighting (Paris Hilton's tape was mostly "night vision" IIRC...) But when you hear "sex tape", you think of an amateur recording, often made by the subjects themselves, and often leaked to the public. There's some wiggle room there, but there's no way that something shot by professionals for a reality TV show and with the full knowledge and consent of the participants would qualify as a sex tape, any more than my cassette copy of 1999* qualifies as a "mix tape" because it is a "mix" of 11 different songs.

    Trump flubbed a bit. It happens.

    (Wow, there actually is a Wikipedia article.)

    * for the record, the tape that began my love affair with The Purple One was left in my stereo by a much older brother who was visiting in the late 80's/early 90's. I wasn't alive when 1999 came out so I'm technically a millennial, if just barely.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

    Please.

    Again, the idea that “sex tape” can only apply in the case of something that is done by amateurs and then leaked is a complete fabrication.

    It is of course by amateurs typically that sex tapes come about — how often are sexual acts going to be filmed on a reality show, as opposed to by the participants themselves? Maybe when people hear that there was a sex tape, they think it’s of the more common amateur variety, precisely because it’s more common. But it has nothing to do with whether most people would hesitate to call something a “sex tape” if they found out it was done in a reality show.

    There is absolutely no reason to think that this sex tape was in any way faked, or that Machado and her new best friend weren’t going at it for the reasons that couples always go at it. So it’s not intentional pornography in any case.

    And in fact the sex tape is if anything only worse than in the more common case of a private filming later leaked, precisely because Machado and Tasty knew they were being filmed, and Machado knew she would be found out to be screwing around, and Machado went ahead with it anyway.

    In pretending that “sex tape” doesn’t apply in this case for one lame reason after another, you’re just making things up.

    • Replies: @larry lurker
    @candid_observer


    And in fact the sex tape is if anything only worse than in the more common case of a private filming later leaked, precisely because Machado and Tasty knew they were being filmed, and Machado knew she would be found out to be screwing around, and Machado went ahead with it anyway.
     
    Agreed- aside from calling it "the sex tape", of course. But yes, it's much sleazier. A lot of people have made sex tapes at some point in their lives, but not a lot of people have allowed themselves to be filmed sleeping with someone, knowing it would air on national television. Trump should have said something like this instead of making Machado sound like a Kardashian.

    As for the rest, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'll just say that if I were ever moved to purchase some celebrity's "sex tape" and when I got home and popped it into my VCR, all I saw was a bunch of clips from some reality TV show... I'd be pretty miffed at whoever sold it to me.

  38. I’ve been listening to people say poor dumb ol’ Trump for a while now. Never last past March, never break ten percent, never beat the Bushes, never win in the north east. Hell, he may be doomed, but he’s rumbled stumbled and bumbled his way into a dead heat against the Anointed, and against the combined efforts of TPTB.

  39. @Johnnywalker123
    Trump is now behind 4 percent nationally. Hopefully the VP debate can reverse the momentum.

    Replies: @granesperanzablanco, @Jack Hanson, @Eric Novak

    The unbiased average of liberal polls shows Hillary up by 25 points since Hillary’s call-out of Trump as a Latina abuser.

  40. @Anonymous
    Trump had been rising in the polls in the month before the debate and pulled even by reading off the teleprompter and sticking to the talking points while news events played out to make him and his proposals look better. He really should have been more disciplined and not have taken the bait on this one.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Eric Novak

    Take the bait on what? That voters will rise up to defend a degenerate cockroach? The campaign signals for improved polls from polling companies for Hillary every time they put out propaganda that is repugnant and grotesque to the great majority of voters. Bewildering is the left thinks (independent and undecided) voters like these bizarro aliens and welcome them to America.

  41. @larry lurker
    @candid_observer

    I'm not Anonymous, but in case it was a hit-and-run commenter:

    I agree that it has nothing to do with lighting (Paris Hilton's tape was mostly "night vision" IIRC...) But when you hear "sex tape", you think of an amateur recording, often made by the subjects themselves, and often leaked to the public. There's some wiggle room there, but there's no way that something shot by professionals for a reality TV show and with the full knowledge and consent of the participants would qualify as a sex tape, any more than my cassette copy of 1999* qualifies as a "mix tape" because it is a "mix" of 11 different songs.

    Trump flubbed a bit. It happens.

    (Wow, there actually is a Wikipedia article.)

    * for the record, the tape that began my love affair with The Purple One was left in my stereo by a much older brother who was visiting in the late 80's/early 90's. I wasn't alive when 1999 came out so I'm technically a millennial, if just barely.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

    I agree with this definition, although I would note that a sex tape does not have to be leaked to the public or intended for public consumption. It can be purely for private use and consumption.

  42. @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Flinders Petrie

    Throckmorton? I hadn't heard that before. Tallywacker perhaps, but not throckmorton.

    Replies: @Flinders Petrie

    I picked that one up as a slang word in college. I’m not sure its origins, although it’s in urban dictionary.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Flinders Petrie

    Throckmorton also appears to be a tiny village in western England.

  43. Slightly OT:

    This tempest highlights how “rigged” these “debates” really are, but it’s not about hidden earpieces or getting the questions in advance or one side getting only softball questions, although those things may also be significant.

    Typical debate questions are, more or less:

    “What’s your plan for education?”

    “What’s your plan for the economy?”

    “What’s your plan for dealing with gun violence?”

    Etc.

    Your typical liberal can easily respond, “Well Lester, I’ve got a 3 point program for dealing with this… And my opponent a) has no plan!; or b) has a plan which will only spend, er, invest half of what I plan on investing.”

    Even on an issue where a conservative candidate seems to have an advantage, immigration, the phrasing of the question, and the weasel room it allows, take all the starch out of it:

    “What’s your plan for, um, ‘fixing’ our broken immigration system?”

    “Well, Lester, I have a 3 part program that will strengthen our workforce while at the same time protecting American’s… blah, blah, blah.”

    Imagine if one of us, or Ann Coulter, could get to moderate one of these things and we could pull the kind of crap these liberals do?

    “Madame Secretary, just last week, a young woman in a Minneapolis suburb was raped, robbed, and murdered by a man originally from Somalia who was let into this country as a “refugee.” It turns out he had lengthy history of violence before he was allowed into this country, and he was never even considered for deportation despite being arrested 9 times after being let into this country. Etc. Etc.”

    I made up those facts, but they’re not an unreasonable composite of some real life scenarios. And yes, it might be unfair to blame a government official for every hard case. But that’s just the point: Anti-imigration pols have to answer for drowned Syrian kid; open borders proponents are never called out for the consequences of their policies in a similar fashion, certainly never in one of these “debates.”

  44. @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    This is some impressive Gaslighting by Team Hillary/MSM. Trump could, of course, had made the connection between Hillary’s lack of vetting of Machado and her risky immigration policy, but that would make too much sense.
     
    That's all he has to do.

    Trump just needs to avoid getting into one of his pissing matches *with Machado*. He should not be attacking Machado one iota.

    He should simply state the facts about Machado--driveby shooting, threatening judge, sex on camera while engaged to someone else--while attacking Hillary.

    -- Lowlife Machado is Hillary's idea of an everywoman--Hillary must have a pretty sorry opinion about women.
    -- Hillary actually chose this woman as her debate prop.
    -- Hillary couldn't even vet one woman to see she wasn't a criminal involved in attempted murder!
    -- How is Hillary going to vet 600000 Syrians. With Hillary's record of vetting, we're going to have a lot of killers, criminals and pond scum pouring into America.
    -- Hillary thinks American citizenship is literally worthless, even a lowlife deserves it ... if they'll vote for Hillary.
    -- Hillary thinks 25% of Americans are "deplorable", because they think America belongs to Americans. But Hillary thinks low-life Machado is so wonderful she's Hillary's every woman.

    In contrast:
    -- But I think American citizenship is *valuable*--the most valuable possession a lot of Americans have.
    -- America should only take immigrants who make America better *for Americans*.
    -- If we are taking any immigrants it should be the best of the best. People of good character, who have high skills and who will assimilate to American norms and values.
    -- We should not be given away American citizenship to people of poor character just because they'll vote for Democrats.

    Don't attack Machado. Use Machado to attack America's lax give-it-away immigration system and attack Hillary's judgment, competence and contempt for Americans and American citizenship.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Maybe. But this is not America 1960. A large piece of the electorate does not see a beautiful, manipulating adventuress as pond scum. Many people admire, even envy her position. I’m not certain your very rational response would be effective.

  45. Hearing how this or that has worked good for Trump the past fifteen months so he should run with it doesn’t really make a good argument all of the time . Like an elusive trophy bass maybe he should spit the bait out occasionally.

  46. @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    Yet Bobby Abreu was upset enough about it that he broke off their engagement.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    “If she’s not good enough for Bobby Abreu, she’s not good enough for America!”

  47. @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    Yet Bobby Abreu was upset enough about it that he broke off their engagement.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    “Bobby Abreu has a better vetting policy than the US government!”

  48. Most women admire adventuresses. Its not as if they aspire to be wives and mothers of ordinary men. Mothers of various hit men or other killers? Sure. Its not as if they want beta male sons. Sons of killers = lots of grand kids. That abominable Tsarnaev will father in prison probably 5 or 6 kids by the various nurses who took care of him.

    In Adult Catechism Class I had to listen to another Nice White Lady (don’t ask) practically have a special moment over various thugs that the worst Christian in the World (Fr. Gregory Boyle in case you asked) had his own, unmanly and unnatural moment.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Whiskey

    You're way off. They admire the men and resent the women.

  49. @Spotted Toad
    There are dozens of ways Trump could've presented Machado's past that made more sense than saying "check out her sex tape." This was one of the biggest unforced errors of the last two years.

    Someone in Trump's team probably reads iSteve, but evidently the subtleties of what is important and what is not get lost in translation to the big guy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That no one on Team Trump can figure out the kernel of this case leaves me speechless and distraught.

    All Trump has done is shift the focus from his “fat-shaming” to his “slut-shaming”.

    A potential win turned into a loss.

    The truth exists in an echo chamber.

  50. @Flinders Petrie
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    I picked that one up as a slang word in college. I'm not sure its origins, although it's in urban dictionary.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Throckmorton also appears to be a tiny village in western England.

  51. Commenter ATX Hipster says: “You’re right Trump should be hammering his issues 24/7. But Ms. Machado is his issue – she is the physical embodiment of the raw deal Americans have been getting on immigration for the past 50 years.”

    Even more so is the sainted Khizr Khan, who waved his alleged personal pocket copy of the US constitution around. This guy is in fact an Islamist legal scholar who has stated explicitly that Sharia law must always take precedence over any other legal system for all Muslims wherever they may live. This includes of course the death penalty for leaving the faith, death by stoning for adultery and homosexuality, and cutting off the hands of thieves.

    What could make the ideological split more vivid than having Hillary trot this woman out in front of America and say, “This is the kind of person I want to bring more of into the United States”?

    Well, she could have gone on to gloat over the fact that this criminal sexpot was going to vote for her. I really don’t think that this is playing as well with the voting public as the decrepit old witch thinks it is.

  52. @candid_observer
    @larry lurker

    Please.

    Again, the idea that "sex tape" can only apply in the case of something that is done by amateurs and then leaked is a complete fabrication.

    It is of course by amateurs typically that sex tapes come about -- how often are sexual acts going to be filmed on a reality show, as opposed to by the participants themselves? Maybe when people hear that there was a sex tape, they think it's of the more common amateur variety, precisely because it's more common. But it has nothing to do with whether most people would hesitate to call something a "sex tape" if they found out it was done in a reality show.

    There is absolutely no reason to think that this sex tape was in any way faked, or that Machado and her new best friend weren't going at it for the reasons that couples always go at it. So it's not intentional pornography in any case.

    And in fact the sex tape is if anything only worse than in the more common case of a private filming later leaked, precisely because Machado and Tasty knew they were being filmed, and Machado knew she would be found out to be screwing around, and Machado went ahead with it anyway.

    In pretending that "sex tape" doesn't apply in this case for one lame reason after another, you're just making things up.

    Replies: @larry lurker

    And in fact the sex tape is if anything only worse than in the more common case of a private filming later leaked, precisely because Machado and Tasty knew they were being filmed, and Machado knew she would be found out to be screwing around, and Machado went ahead with it anyway.

    Agreed- aside from calling it “the sex tape”, of course. But yes, it’s much sleazier. A lot of people have made sex tapes at some point in their lives, but not a lot of people have allowed themselves to be filmed sleeping with someone, knowing it would air on national television. Trump should have said something like this instead of making Machado sound like a Kardashian.

    As for the rest, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ll just say that if I were ever moved to purchase some celebrity’s “sex tape” and when I got home and popped it into my VCR, all I saw was a bunch of clips from some reality TV show… I’d be pretty miffed at whoever sold it to me.

  53. @Whiskey
    Most women admire adventuresses. Its not as if they aspire to be wives and mothers of ordinary men. Mothers of various hit men or other killers? Sure. Its not as if they want beta male sons. Sons of killers = lots of grand kids. That abominable Tsarnaev will father in prison probably 5 or 6 kids by the various nurses who took care of him.

    In Adult Catechism Class I had to listen to another Nice White Lady (don't ask) practically have a special moment over various thugs that the worst Christian in the World (Fr. Gregory Boyle in case you asked) had his own, unmanly and unnatural moment.

    Replies: @guest

    You’re way off. They admire the men and resent the women.

  54. I guess my comment calling all your readers cry babies who are freaking out over nothing didn’t pass your fainting test, Steve.

    Go approve some more cuckold fetish trolling.

  55. Most women admire adventuresses. Its not as if they aspire to be wives and mothers of ordinary men. Mothers of various hit men or other killers? Sure. Its not as if they want beta male sons. Sons of killers = lots of grand kids. That abominable Tsarnaev will father in prison probably 5 or 6 kids by the various nurses who took care of him.

    There’s probably more visceral hate for Machado among Illary’s most reliable demographic than among any other. If you put a million of her at the border, Democrats would be voting to close them in no time.

  56. Most women admire adventuresses. Its not as if they aspire to be wives and mothers of ordinary men. Mothers of various hit men or other killers? Sure. Its not as if they want beta male sons. Sons of killers = lots of grand kids. That abominable Tsarnaev will father in prison probably 5 or 6 kids by the various nurses who took care of him.

    There’s probably more visceral hate for Machado among Illary’s most reliable (white) demographic than among any other. If you put a million of her at the border, Democrats would be voting to close it in no time.

  57. @Flinders Petrie
    From the NYT article:

    Fact-checkers have found no evidence that Ms. Machado, who was featured in Playboy, appeared in a sex tape. Her critics may be referring to a risqué scene that she appeared in on a reality television show.
     
    The reality television show...that showed her having sex with a man and talking about his throckmorton...while she was engaged to another man.

    But the 'fact checkers' say it's not real.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Coemgen

    “Throckmorton” or “John Thomas” for readers who haven’t studied radiology.

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