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The New York Times reported back in February:

“If we broke up the big banks tomorrow,” Mrs. Clinton asked the audience of black, white and Hispanic union members, “would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the L.G.B.T. community?,” she said, using an abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. “Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”

At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.

Although watching the video, it looks more like the people on stage behind Hillary (who were presumably paid for being there) were merely starting to get the hang of Hillary’s rhythm and dutifully playing along. But whether “the crowd” (such as it was) was really “resounding” in agreeing with Hillary’s defense of the Big Banks in fighting The Deplorables is another question.

My guess is that the crucial role Goldman Sachs plays in crushing sexism and anti-LGBTism is something that Hillary believes in a lot more than do union members in Reno.

From the New York Times this week, an account of how Goldman Sachs’ War on Sexism has been very, very good to Mrs. C.:

2008 Crisis Deepened the Ties Between Clintons and Goldman Sachs
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and SUSANNE CRAIG SEPT. 24, 2016

A blue-ribbon commission had just excoriated Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks for fueling the financial crisis. Prosecutors were investigating whether Goldman had misled investors. The company was a whipping boy for politicians looking to lay blame for the crash.

But in spring of 2011, Lloyd C. Blankfein, leading one of the nation’s most reviled companies, found himself onstage with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, one of the nation’s most admired public figures at the time. And Mrs. Clinton had come to praise Goldman Sachs.

The State Department, Mrs. Clinton announced that day in an auditorium in its Foggy Bottom headquarters, would throw its weight behind a Goldman philanthropic initiative aimed at encouraging female entrepreneurs around the world — a program Goldman viewed as central to rehabilitating its reputation.

Mrs. Clinton’s blessing — an important public seal of approval for Goldman at a time when it had few defenders in Washington — underscored a long-running relationship between one of the country’s most powerful financial firms and one of its most famous political families. Over 20-plus years, Goldman provided the Clintons with some of their most influential advisers, millions of dollars in campaign contributions and speaking fees, and financial support for the family foundation’s charitable programs.

And in the wake of the worst crash since the Great Depression, as the firm fended off investigations and criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike, the Clintons drew Goldman only closer. Bill Clinton publicly defended the company and leased office space from Goldman for his foundation. Mrs. Clinton, after leaving the State Department, earned $675,000 to deliver three speeches at Goldman events, where she reassured executives that they had an important role to play in the nation’s recovery.

The four years between the end of the financial crisis and the start of Mrs. Clinton’s second White House bid revealed a family that viewed Wall Street’s elite as friends and collaborators even as the public viewed them with suspicion and scorn. Those relationships would become a focal point for attacks on Mrs. Clinton’s integrity and independence by Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. …

Goldman’s links to the Clintons date to the 1990s, when Robert E. Rubin, the company’s co-senior partner, left to join President Bill Clinton’s economic policy team. …

While Wall Street leaned right over all, executives at Goldman

A.K.A., the Smart Money

gave most of their political contributions to Democrats. …

That summer Mr. Blankfein was among the A-list guests at Mr. Clinton’s 64th birthday bash in the Hamptons. And Goldman settled the charges for what was then a record $550 million fine.

A.K.A., the Cost of Doing Business.

The company was in the midst of an expensive reputation reclamation plan. The centerpiece was an existing program called 10,000 Women, to which Goldman committed $100 million. …

In 2011, the State Department created a formal partnership with the Goldman program, a natural complement to Mrs. Clinton’s efforts to mitigate poverty and discrimination against women.

For Goldman, 10,000 Women became a major philanthropic and public relations success. The program’s events attracted influential figures such as the liberal news media entrepreneur Arianna Huffington, who devoted a section of her Huffington Post to the program’s successes. …

When Mrs. Clinton left the State Department in 2013, she followed her husband into paid speechmaking. If Mrs. Clinton was concerned about the appearance of taking hefty fees from Wall Street while considering a second presidential bid, she did not show it: In her first year on the circuit, more than a third of her paid speeches were for financial companies.

Each of her three Goldman speeches were private, and Mrs. Clinton has rebuffed requests to release transcripts of them. And at the time, she still embraced Goldman as a partner. In 2014, she appeared at the annual meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative, an offshoot of the Clinton Foundation known as C.G.I., to highlight the 10,000 Women program.

“Thanks to Goldman Sachs and thanks to 10,000 Women for really shining a bright spotlight on what is possible if you believe in and you provide support to women,” Mrs. Clinton said.

Hillary always seemed peeved that Bernie Sanders was just too old and dumb to realize that Goldman Sachs was the avant garde in the War on the Deplorables.

 
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  1. Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ (http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/255695/will-this-finish-deutsches-investment-bank/) that may put them under.

    DB’s market cap today is, according to Google Finance, $17.3bn. Goldman’s is $65.8bn.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ATX Hipster

    And, as part of their settlement with DOJ, much of that money goes to "community groups" such as La Raza, whatever Acorn is called now, etc. Thus does the left continue to use public money to further its agenda. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/11/taxpayers-screwed-goldman-sachs-settlement-doj-tax-deductible.html

    , @Bill Jones
    @ATX Hipster

    I bought some Goldman stock in late '08 for about $85 and sold it a couple of years later for somewhere in the low $130's.

    There's a lot of truth to the old adage, "Buy when there's blood on the Streets."


    Shudda kept it.

    , @Lot
    @ATX Hipster


    Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ
     
    $5.1b was GS's settlement. $14b is the current DOJ demand number to DB, the final settlement amount will be much lower, more likely about $5b as well.

    There is some talk that the EU trying to make Apple pay billions more in taxes and harassing Google over privacy and antitrust issues will make the DOJ play hardball with DB in revenge, but who knows.
  2. As I’ve said before in the context of British rule over India, higher intelligence plus ethnic solidarity is a formidable combination.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Anonymous Nephew

    They took down Lehman, too. You're not wrong overall.

    Goldman always had the best recruiting was what I heard from a friend of mine who knew some people in the industry; supposedly one guy had gone on 39 interviews and not gotten a job. They also had a tradition of getting their people into government positions afterward, which obviously helped. I kind of wonder why Morgan Stanley, say, didn't, when they saw how much Goldman was profiting off it.

    Replies: @artichoke

  3. It was always in Wall Street’s best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.

    Hence the panic about Trump, who is not particularly ideological, nor has he been bought out.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @cucksworth
    @MC

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties...twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn't get brought up:



    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.
     

    Replies: @Anon, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Sean, @Thea

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @MC

    Bravo MC! Excellent point.

    , @Abe
    @MC


    It was always in Wall Street’s best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.
     
    Thanks for the pro-tip, Captain Obvious. No, in seriousness this is good point, but one I've been pondering for a couple years now and think deserves deeper analysis.

    This is similar to Jewish/Israeli positioning with regard to the two major parties, which I started thinking about when I read a clunker of a NYT op-ed by a former Mossad honcho on how wonderful! Democrats are on Israel, complete with effusive praise for Jimmy Carter. I mean, sure, Carter was OK 30 years ago, but you can't mean the same Kreepy Khristian who now runs around saying Zionism is Apartheid, can you? But surely Mr. Mossad big-wig is smart enough to know this, and so what he was doing was not trying to "win" any sort of argument (for there can be no "victory" in a two-party democracy) but simply, like any competent lobbyist, hedge his bets by flattering the more anti-Israel political party so that Israel would never lose an effective avenue of access no matter who the current occupant of the White House happened to be. A "vibrant" candidate like Hillary (corrupt and venal enough to be easily controlled, personally philo-Semitic, and holding the whip-hand in the political party to which the bulk of BDS-types ultimately conclave, with enough diversity Pokemon points for supposedly being a womyn to shut-up any upstart cishet Palestinian man) is ideal from the Israeli stand-point, and I honestly think they'd have a much warmer relationship with her than a President Trump, for fear that too-close an association with him would make Israel irredeemably toxic to progressives. I somehow suspect that if a modern von Neumann worked out the numbers on it, the current status quo of a rabidly pro-Israel, neocon Republican party getting only 30% of the Jewish vote but sizeable donations, while a much more ambivalent at the grass-roots level Democratic party getting 70% is somehow a global maximum from a game theoretic standpoint.
  4. It’s the same with foreign policy. LGBT rights, feminism, and amnesty for illegals are more important than reassessing the disastrous “War on Terror.” Also, none of Hillary’s supporters seem to care that her “Russophobia” could lead to nuclear war.
    Fortunately for Trump, RFK’s speech writer seems to get it:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rfk-trump-2016-democratic-party-speechwriter-214270

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @JohnnyD

    I have been screaming about preventing WW3/not provoking Russia (China, eh, not so much) in particular, into a war-like stance. Also, this article (RFK speech writer) is heavily in circulation - sent it to both liberal, conservatives and Deplorables.

    By the way, the Deplorables comment, and her whole clueless crusade into unmasking/taking on the "Alt-right" (who nobody in the country gets anyway, hilariously.) is going to be the Achilles' heel for her. The 15 months of mocking half of the "stupid" American people by the press, she and her minions can not take back those words - the "it's too late," fact that must haunt them now. The utter disdain the press has for middle class Americans, calling them all racists and bigots, the "Everyday" Americans she named, has been so palpable for 15 months. Their blindness to this is breathtaking: it's just too late for the nasty, scheming MSM, now. She would rather hang-out with the Streeters and the smug of the Coastal Elite than really, actually, govern. I feel she is devoid of showing any passion/interest to be a President...pursuing it only as "The Precious," as Steve calls it. Her ego calls for the presidency and she will push aside big-eyed, dusty Syrian refugee children if she has to, to get her "Precious." Look how she so "carelessly; again," compromised the health/safety of that girl during 9/11 Day and supposed "pneumonia" day. I would have been outraged that someone who conceals illness hugs my child. It's not Ebola, but I don't what an ill person touching/being in the airspace of my child.

    The disdain for the middle class, together with the Vampire Squid (GS) and most of Wall Street, is quicksand she can't crawl out of. Everybody, everybody still hates Wall Streeters. They ruined the economy/no one went to jail like in Iceland. Instead, bonuses are back in style. Also, the sticky fingers of Wall Street are not only on grandpa's pension, but every commodity in this country, even Aluminum in Iceland. And, they've made a ton of money on perpetual war, just like my Grandpa said could be/was done during the World Wars. Big money and a complicit Dem & Repub govt in DC needs to be stopped...or there will be WW3 and nuclear fall-out. And, then it all sucks for everyone.

    What the heck were her "genius" points, anyway, that any firm would pay $675,000.00, in her speeches?...I am speechless! Her link to Wall Street (Bernie pointed this out but was deep-sixed by the DNC - thank God for Julian), the bizarro corrupt Clinton Foundation (registered in Canada), and her disdain (cheerleaded by MSM) for the American people outside of coasts & upper tiers of society, and her colossal failure in the Middle East (Libya/Iraq/Syria, etc.) , plus the smarmy, kiss-ass relationship with the Saudis, will sink her ship.

    And, finally, the reckless disregard for citizens who do not want millions of immigrants (poor, LEP, non educated) into their communities, is breathtaking. There is no strength in diversity...it's just an idea that does not work in Sweden. Immigration is still the major issue, in this campaign. The knife attack in Washington was committed by a Turk. Nobody wants immigrants here until "we know what the heck is going on." I never like that calculating (I think sociopathic) woman from the day she arrived on the national stage. Her steely, no-affect composure has always freaked me out.

    , @Jefferson
    @JohnnyD

    "It’s the same with foreign policy. LGBT rights, feminism, and amnesty for illegals are more important than reassessing the disastrous “War on Terror.” Also, none of Hillary’s supporters seem to care that her “Russophobia” could lead to nuclear war.
    Fortunately for Trump, RFK’s speech writer seems to get it:"

    College Liberal anti-war types come off as extremely hypocritical for wearing I'm With Her pro-Crooked Hildabeast t-shirts.

    They only hate pro-war politicians if they are Republicans. Liberals are who are non hypocrites are voting for Jill Stein, like Susan Sarandon plans to do.

    That is why I can't stand the Liberal anti-war movement, none of them practice what they preach. They are a lot more anti-Republican Party than they are actually anti-war. Why the hell has Code Pink been silent for the last 8 years? Why were they only extremely vocal when George W. Bush was president? Code Pink stands with Barack Hussein Obama and Crooked Hildabeast.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    On a related note, the former head of the EU commission, that is in plain Orwell English the unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable totalitarian dictator who basically controls the lives of 500 million odd Europeans, Manuel Barroso, quit his highly lucrative position for even more lucrative one at good old Goldman Sachs.
    Believe it or not, Manuel Barroso started off his political career in the wake of Portugal’s ‘rose revolution’ in which, at that time at least, he played the part of an almost comic book Woody Allen ‘Bananas’ Maoist insurgent.

    Well, Barroso is a free man, and one can’t condemn a free man for seeking out the most lucrative offers. But it does raise the possibility that somehow Barroso was ‘got at’ by Goldman Sachs whilst exercising office.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "Non-Executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International" has historically been a pretty hilarious job.

    , @Yngvar
    @Anonymous

    "We can only be a building block of the new world order if we are, in a number of vital aspects, truly a bloc"
    The European Union in the New World Order, speech by José Manuel Durão Barroso, Yale School of Management, 9/21/14.

    ps.
    He doesn't mention immigration.

  6. @Anonymous
    On a related note, the former head of the EU commission, that is in plain Orwell English the unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable totalitarian dictator who basically controls the lives of 500 million odd Europeans, Manuel Barroso, quit his highly lucrative position for even more lucrative one at good old Goldman Sachs.
    Believe it or not, Manuel Barroso started off his political career in the wake of Portugal's 'rose revolution' in which, at that time at least, he played the part of an almost comic book Woody Allen 'Bananas' Maoist insurgent.

    Well, Barroso is a free man, and one can't condemn a free man for seeking out the most lucrative offers. But it does raise the possibility that somehow Barroso was 'got at' by Goldman Sachs whilst exercising office.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yngvar

    “Non-Executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International” has historically been a pretty hilarious job.

  7. Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President’s college transcripts stinks to high heaven.

    And, to absolutely no one’s surprise, the Cascades Mall shooting suspect has a Turkish last name (Cetin). IN the immortal words of Gilbert Gottfried as the parrot in “Alladdin”, “I’m about to have a heart attack … from NOT being surprised…”

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    "Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President’s college transcripts stinks to high heaven."

    I am guessing Crooked Hillary's speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.

    So GS was just paying for immediate White House access and Crooked Hillary pocketed the money.

    Replies: @fish, @Harry Baldwin

    , @Cromwellforever
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    I was surprised. Most Turks in America are Kemalist secularists or Gulen boys, and neither are overly inclined to Islamic terrorism. Think both would rather lead coups in Turkey.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  8. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President's college transcripts stinks to high heaven.

    And, to absolutely no one's surprise, the Cascades Mall shooting suspect has a Turkish last name (Cetin). IN the immortal words of Gilbert Gottfried as the parrot in "Alladdin", "I'm about to have a heart attack ... from NOT being surprised..."

    Replies: @antipater_1, @Cromwellforever

    “Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President’s college transcripts stinks to high heaven.”

    I am guessing Crooked Hillary’s speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.

    So GS was just paying for immediate White House access and Crooked Hillary pocketed the money.

    • Replies: @fish
    @antipater_1


    I am guessing Crooked Hillary’s speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.
     
    Excellent point....bad enough having to shell out all that money to have greasy pols do your bidding....no point in having to listen to their sanctimonious blathering after you do!

    Replies: @G Pinfold

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @antipater_1

    But if she never gave the speeches it would be easy to supply fake transcripts that wouldn't reflect poorly on her. It's having actually given the speeches that makes it impossible to release fake transcripts, as someone might blow the whistle on her.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  9. Goldman Sachs is always out buying good PR from Hillary and other connected people. Otherwise they would been broken up years ago. But JP Morgan is very important these days. IIRC the largest trader and dealer in US Treasuries. They also like manipulate the precious metals markets, often at the behest of the Federal Reserve.

  10. Goldman Sachs paying off the multicult strikes as being similar to the Mafia’s relations to the Church. Some were believers but they manage to rationalize their behavior(no innocent, no killing sundays and especially not at the church,etc.). Additionally you might be a benefactor to your local church partly for spiritual reasons, norms but also as a kind of pay-off to the church and the legitimacy it gives you in the local community.
    Kind of similar except, embarrassingly for the Catholic church, it seems the anti-racists believers are much more demanding of their criminal counterpart than Catholics were of their criminals.

    All this fits well with Paul Gottfried’s view of anti-racism as adopting Christian traditions.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Sam

    Cultural traditions always have to start somewhere. The idea of liberalism as an atheistic Christian heresy is an interesting one--I remember first reading it in Moldbug but I doubt he came up with it.

  11. There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they’re radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It’s like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they’re paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they’re in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    • Agree: Abe, IA
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jean Cocteausten

    Great comment.

    , @blank-misgivings
    @Jean Cocteausten

    True and deep comment (esp. about the paradox in relation to Islam) - although I can't help pointing out the irony that your reasoning is very similar to Marx's (in his actual writings) despite your derogatory reference to 'cultural Marxism'.

    Anyway I'll keep holding the banner for a right wing Marxism - that accepts Marx was mostly right in his analyses of capitalism but denies that socialism is the way out of capitalism's contradictions!

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    , @advancedatheist
    @Jean Cocteausten


    They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems.
     
    Capitalist propaganda portrays capitalism's tendency to push disparate peoples together while weakening the hold of their traditional beliefs systems as an advantage, not a defect. Refer to Voltaire's famous observation from the early 18th Century:

    "Go into the London Stock Exchange – a more respectable place than many a court – and you will see representatives from all nations gathered together for the utility of men. Here Jew, Mohammedan and Christian deal with each other as though they were all of the same faith, and only apply the word infidel to people who go bankrupt. Here the Presbyterian trusts the Anabaptist and the Anglican accepts a promise from the Quaker. On leaving these peaceful and free assemblies some go to the Synagogue and others for a drink, this one goes to be baptized in a great bath in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that one has his son’s foreskin cut and has some Hebrew words he doesn’t understand mumbled over the child, others go to their church and await the inspiration of God with their hats on, and everybody is happy."

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Kylie
    @Jean Cocteausten

    Very astute. Thank you.

    , @Seneca
    @Jean Cocteausten

    Yes, thank you. This comment is gold border worthy.

    Steve?

    , @Discard
    @Jean Cocteausten

    Thanks for putting this into words. I have a 40 year old 12 foot aluminum rowboat with a four horsepower motor, enough for my purposes. That's because my purposes do not include impressing anybody. The banks make very little off me.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Jean Cocteausten

    So what's better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital? I wonder if there isn't a sold middle ground that allows us to increase prosperity and still maintain our culture and religion. Seems like the US and Britain achieved that for quite a while.

    "consumerism". I would like someone to expand on this one. We're all consumers and we all like nice stuff, however we define that. Being ostentatious isn't just a modern, Western phenomenon. When I see pictures of the horned Hmong I think, "Jeez people. Dial it back a bit."

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Darin

  12. Here in Massachusetts our former governor Deval Patrick, who was good friends and a Democratic party insider/rising star, joined Bain capital after he left office. They say he’s doing “social impact investing”. A little curious given Obama ran a lot of ads in 2012 saying how evil Mitt Romney and Bain capital were. I guess they just didn’t realize Bain Capital was on the cutting edge of social justice.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @anon930


    A little curious given Obama ran a lot of ads in 2012 saying how evil Mitt Romney and Bain capital were. I guess they just didn’t realize Bain Capital was on the cutting edge of social justice.
     
    Obama was right in 2012, Bain Capital is a force for great evil in the USA, as is Goldman Sachs.
  13. I wonder who wrote that speech for her.

    This Politico article about the FBI interviews is being circulated because it indicates that Obama used a pseudonym to communicate with Hillary and Abedin seemed to know that it -should- have been classified, but this stuck out to me:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

    According to the FBI’s Abedin writeup, she “could not use a computer”; Hanley said Clinton had no idea what her own email password was, and had to rely on aides.

    If she had to change her password weekly or daily, I can empathize. But if it was less often (and given the total lack of security in other matters, I’m guessing it was just a single unchanging password), it’s pretty damning.

    I increasingly think that the most likely justification for the e-mail server conspiracy (it was I think demonstrably a conspiracy, just not a very well executed one) wasn’t to let her use her blackberry or whatever, or even some juicy influence peddling scheme, but because her aides knew her health and cognitive function were inconsistent and they needed to be able to keep tabs on all her work and responsibilities themselves.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Spotted Toad

    That's a good point. On all the government computers I have ever used, we had to change our passwords every 90 days, you could not reuse previous passwords, and the passwords had to be 14 characters long with a mix of upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters. If HRC was, as Huma said, "frequently confused", then your argument makes a lot of sense.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    , @The Z Blog
    @Spotted Toad

    I'm always surprised how naive Americans are about confidence schemes. One key element to running a good scam is confusion. The good con-man working a long con lies about many inconsequential things. The reason for this is it keeps everyone off-balance and unable to notice patterns in his behavior. For instance, telling everyone a different origin story results in everyone operating with a slightly different understanding of the con-man. Comparing notes, therefore is less likely.

    The thing about Hillary scandals is they are always about money, specifically monetizing her access to power. The land schemes in Arkansas, the commodity scam, the Chinese money stuff in the 90's. Her MO is always to leverage the one asset she has, which is access to power. This e-mail business is just a version of the city hall contractor shake down scheme. The contractor pays a friend of the mayor and the mayor approves his deal. Later, the friend of the may pays the mayor.

    In this case, Blumenthal would cut the deals with foreigners. Bubba would show up and give a speech. Money would go into the Foundation "for the speech" but latter the foreigner would get what they really wanted. For intel, they let Blumenthal see classified data and he would pass it along. For deals in front of State, Clinton would fast track them to approval. All the other stuff is just chaff to confuse investigators.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

  14. Also worth mentioning that former Goldman employee and Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson endorsed Hillary. Don’t know why she would want an endorsement like that though.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Barnard

    She got a kind of endorsement from the evil fascist (as she probably saw it) whom she and Bill unseated in 1992 - George Herbert Walker Bush. He told Kathleen Kennedy Townsend that he was going to vote for Hillary. It's all very chummy among the elites.

  15. “…. reputation reclamation plan.”

    It worked so well for Bill.

    highlight the 10,000 Women program.

    Well, maybe that wasn’t quite the reputation Bill was trying to reform.

  16. The Washig ton mall shooter was a Turkish Muslim, not Hispanic. He previously tweeted his desire to vote Hillary( although not a citizen) She has The Islamic terrorist vote locked in!

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Goldman Sachs dodged a bullet in 2008. They were on course to being tarred and feathered with blame for the financial crisis as the face of Wall Street, so they decided to “open up” to the Clintons and the Democratic Party in the USA and to other centres of political power in key markets around the world. Blankfein has sent his henchmen forth around the world to proclaim to politicians a new openness at Goldman. It’s part of an effective strategy to reduce their political risk by choosing a side and then providing huge financial support. So now if you want to toss Goldman in jail after the next inevitable financial crisis you’ll have to toss the Democratic Party in there too.

  18. Doesn’t deplorables, a made up word, sound like something a little girl just learning to speak would say after learning the word adorable? She also tossed in the very rare word generalistic, which she used incorrectly, root word generalist not generalize, to the extent it had a definition. I’m just thinking there is something strange going on in her aging damaged brain, sort of like at the end of 2001 space odyssey when HAL has his brain disassembled and reverts to child talk.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @George


    Doesn’t deplorables, a made up word, sound like something a little girl just learning to speak would say after learning the word adorable?...I’m just thinking there is something strange going on in her aging damaged brain, sort of like at the end of 2001 space odyssey when HAL has his brain disassembled and reverts to child talk.
     
    "Deplorable" is a real word, rest assured. Pluralizing it, is a bit unusual.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deplorable
  19. How will Hillary respond to the secret speech accusation if Trump brings it up in the debates?

  20. Goldman would not even use it’s own money to build a new headquarters

    http://www.goodjobsny.org/economic-development/goldman-sachs

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/news/-229036-1.html

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @jill

    "Goldman would not even use it’s own money to build a new headquarters."

    One of the worlds wealthiest investment banks - maybe the wealthiest - gets public assistance to build their new HQ. That's certainly..........what's the word?............Chutzpah.

    I guess the thinking is that - like in the 50s, when "what is good for General Motors is good for America" - what is good for Goldman Sachs is good for America.

    Except that it may have partially been true for General Motors, and it is completely untrue for Goldman Sachs.

  21. If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, maybe we could avoid another 2008 meltdown, which cleaned out the retirement accounts and home equity of millions of gays, lesbians, Muslims, Dreamers — all the people Hillary claims to defend.

    Of course, she’s a tremendous fraud, but I give her credit. She always changes the subject to soppy, emotional goo. And her devoted (though declining) fanbase eats it up.

    Without the magic of identity politics, Hillary would be Lionel Hutz, working out of a strip mall and sipping from the “cough syrup” every few minutes.

  22. I am pleasantly surprised that a New York Times article recognized that there might be people out there who don’t know automatically know what LGBT stands for.

  23. After another weekend of Moose-limb immigrant terrorism, when will Hillary say the same about that?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Percy Gryce

    Totem Pole Alert!!!

    Terry Crutcher was shot and killed by a white woman.
    Feminist as - eg the Hildebeast, can possibly construe this as 'male dominance' gone wrong.
    Hillary is throwing a 'sister' under the bus.

  24. In the mid-1990s, I freaked out the senior management of my bank by showing them several pages of FEC records showing their contributions to various (sometimes surprising) candidates. They knew this stuff was public record, but up until then they had not grasped just how easy it was to get this data. I guess the banking world has gotten over their discomfort with being affiliated with the Clintons since then.

  25. @MC
    It was always in Wall Street's best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.

    Hence the panic about Trump, who is not particularly ideological, nor has he been bought out.

    Replies: @cucksworth, @Connecticut Famer, @Abe

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties…twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn’t get brought up:

    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @cucksworth

    "Trump on the other hand has changed political parties…twice (edit five times)!"

    Paris is worth a mass.

    --Henry IV of France.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @cucksworth

    Far from being something to answer for, I suspect that it's gotten to where a number of the electorate no longer cares or even finds it a good thing that Trump doesn't care about party affiliation.

    , @Sean
    @cucksworth

    There is no doubt that Trump is an adventurer, but so was Winston Churchill, who changed parties repeatedly, and was so distrusted by the vast majority of Conservative MP's (even after he became their leader) that they had to be ordered to start applauding him in the House of Commons.

    Replies: @Busby

    , @Thea
    @cucksworth

    no party allegiance is a feature not a bug

  26. Let the byzantine iSteve conspiracy-plumbing being. Was Cetin a Gulenist who is upset about the Erdogan coup, is it an Erdogan to further discredit Gulen (and give a pretext for deportation)? IBM Presents … You make the call!

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    Nah, he's just a standard non-assimilated Muslim.

    (As a previous commentor said, not fitting the pattern of most Turks in the U.S, but not unheard-of.)

  27. @ATX Hipster
    Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ (http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/255695/will-this-finish-deutsches-investment-bank/) that may put them under.

    DB's market cap today is, according to Google Finance, $17.3bn. Goldman's is $65.8bn.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Lot

    And, as part of their settlement with DOJ, much of that money goes to “community groups” such as La Raza, whatever Acorn is called now, etc. Thus does the left continue to use public money to further its agenda. http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/11/taxpayers-screwed-goldman-sachs-settlement-doj-tax-deductible.html

  28. @Spotted Toad
    I wonder who wrote that speech for her.

    This Politico article about the FBI interviews is being circulated because it indicates that Obama used a pseudonym to communicate with Hillary and Abedin seemed to know that it -should- have been classified, but this stuck out to me:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

    According to the FBI's Abedin writeup, she "could not use a computer"; Hanley said Clinton had no idea what her own email password was, and had to rely on aides.

    If she had to change her password weekly or daily, I can empathize. But if it was less often (and given the total lack of security in other matters, I'm guessing it was just a single unchanging password), it's pretty damning.

    I increasingly think that the most likely justification for the e-mail server conspiracy (it was I think demonstrably a conspiracy, just not a very well executed one) wasn't to let her use her blackberry or whatever, or even some juicy influence peddling scheme, but because her aides knew her health and cognitive function were inconsistent and they needed to be able to keep tabs on all her work and responsibilities themselves.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @The Z Blog

    That’s a good point. On all the government computers I have ever used, we had to change our passwords every 90 days, you could not reuse previous passwords, and the passwords had to be 14 characters long with a mix of upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters. If HRC was, as Huma said, “frequently confused”, then your argument makes a lot of sense.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @Jim Don Bob

    I have never worked with a U.S. government computer but I have worked with a lot of bank computers. All required changing passwords every 90 days or even more frequently.

  29. @Spotted Toad
    I wonder who wrote that speech for her.

    This Politico article about the FBI interviews is being circulated because it indicates that Obama used a pseudonym to communicate with Hillary and Abedin seemed to know that it -should- have been classified, but this stuck out to me:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

    According to the FBI's Abedin writeup, she "could not use a computer"; Hanley said Clinton had no idea what her own email password was, and had to rely on aides.

    If she had to change her password weekly or daily, I can empathize. But if it was less often (and given the total lack of security in other matters, I'm guessing it was just a single unchanging password), it's pretty damning.

    I increasingly think that the most likely justification for the e-mail server conspiracy (it was I think demonstrably a conspiracy, just not a very well executed one) wasn't to let her use her blackberry or whatever, or even some juicy influence peddling scheme, but because her aides knew her health and cognitive function were inconsistent and they needed to be able to keep tabs on all her work and responsibilities themselves.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @The Z Blog

    I’m always surprised how naive Americans are about confidence schemes. One key element to running a good scam is confusion. The good con-man working a long con lies about many inconsequential things. The reason for this is it keeps everyone off-balance and unable to notice patterns in his behavior. For instance, telling everyone a different origin story results in everyone operating with a slightly different understanding of the con-man. Comparing notes, therefore is less likely.

    The thing about Hillary scandals is they are always about money, specifically monetizing her access to power. The land schemes in Arkansas, the commodity scam, the Chinese money stuff in the 90’s. Her MO is always to leverage the one asset she has, which is access to power. This e-mail business is just a version of the city hall contractor shake down scheme. The contractor pays a friend of the mayor and the mayor approves his deal. Later, the friend of the may pays the mayor.

    In this case, Blumenthal would cut the deals with foreigners. Bubba would show up and give a speech. Money would go into the Foundation “for the speech” but latter the foreigner would get what they really wanted. For intel, they let Blumenthal see classified data and he would pass it along. For deals in front of State, Clinton would fast track them to approval. All the other stuff is just chaff to confuse investigators.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @The Z Blog

    It's particularly notable that Americans fall so much for cons, considering that they have the benefit of the con-artist theme that is found all over 20th century literature.

  30. If the deplorables are truly irredeemable then it must be imperative that we force them to leave the country. Likewise, we simultaneously must replace them in order to continue America functioning. To that end, we must attract people from those most oppressed regions of the world. Arabs, Somalis, Nigerians and Salvadorians would suffice to replace the deplorables.

    At that point America would truly be a better nation.

    The scary part is that if you presented this scenario to any liberal they would agree. That’s why America is over.

  31. @Anonymous Nephew
    As I've said before in the context of British rule over India, higher intelligence plus ethnic solidarity is a formidable combination.

    Replies: @SFG

    They took down Lehman, too. You’re not wrong overall.

    Goldman always had the best recruiting was what I heard from a friend of mine who knew some people in the industry; supposedly one guy had gone on 39 interviews and not gotten a job. They also had a tradition of getting their people into government positions afterward, which obviously helped. I kind of wonder why Morgan Stanley, say, didn’t, when they saw how much Goldman was profiting off it.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @SFG

    The Lehman corporation went through a reorganization process. But when the Barclays corporation took it over, they didn't fire the Lehman employees.

  32. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President's college transcripts stinks to high heaven.

    And, to absolutely no one's surprise, the Cascades Mall shooting suspect has a Turkish last name (Cetin). IN the immortal words of Gilbert Gottfried as the parrot in "Alladdin", "I'm about to have a heart attack ... from NOT being surprised..."

    Replies: @antipater_1, @Cromwellforever

    I was surprised. Most Turks in America are Kemalist secularists or Gulen boys, and neither are overly inclined to Islamic terrorism. Think both would rather lead coups in Turkey.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Cromwellforever

    Someone on Reddit is claiming that the Turkish mall shooter is Christian and would attend youth groups. Supposedly his target was his girlfriend "Molly" who worked at Macy's. Most of the victims were at the makeup counter.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/54d7ek/cascade_mall_shooter_arrested/d80xq2c

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @The most deplorable one

  33. @MC
    It was always in Wall Street's best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.

    Hence the panic about Trump, who is not particularly ideological, nor has he been bought out.

    Replies: @cucksworth, @Connecticut Famer, @Abe

    Bravo MC! Excellent point.

  34. I wonder if the reason the Clinton’s didn’t get involved with Madoff was because someone at GS tipped them off. After all, there are many people in common who were friends of Clinton’s and victims of Madoff.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Name Withheld

    Possibly, but I think Madoff's target market was people who wanted to believe they were "investing". The Clintons are more your Cash'n'Carry types.

    Not that any of those people (Goldman, Clintons, Madoff) are above what you describe...

    Replies: @Name Withheld

  35. @Percy Gryce
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/778286389448339457

    After another weekend of Moose-limb immigrant terrorism, when will Hillary say the same about that?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Totem Pole Alert!!!

    Terry Crutcher was shot and killed by a white woman.
    Feminist as – eg the Hildebeast, can possibly construe this as ‘male dominance’ gone wrong.
    Hillary is throwing a ‘sister’ under the bus.

  36. It would be nice to think that at some point during the upcoming debates someone would ask Nurse Ratched about her relationship with G-S and whether or not her refusal to release any transcripts of speeches ought not to raise a few eyebrows. It would be interesting to see and hear her response.

    Then again, that would be too much to ask, right?

  37. @Anonymous
    On a related note, the former head of the EU commission, that is in plain Orwell English the unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable totalitarian dictator who basically controls the lives of 500 million odd Europeans, Manuel Barroso, quit his highly lucrative position for even more lucrative one at good old Goldman Sachs.
    Believe it or not, Manuel Barroso started off his political career in the wake of Portugal's 'rose revolution' in which, at that time at least, he played the part of an almost comic book Woody Allen 'Bananas' Maoist insurgent.

    Well, Barroso is a free man, and one can't condemn a free man for seeking out the most lucrative offers. But it does raise the possibility that somehow Barroso was 'got at' by Goldman Sachs whilst exercising office.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yngvar

    We can only be a building block of the new world order if we are, in a number of vital aspects, truly a bloc
    The European Union in the New World Order, speech by José Manuel Durão Barroso, Yale School of Management, 9/21/14.

    ps.
    He doesn’t mention immigration.

  38. Once Trump becomes President, he could tack left on certain ‘reform’ issues and combine with the Sanders voters. Cleaning up voting and the primary systems would be number one. Although this is a long way from cleaning up the banking industry, by making money less effective in the electoral system, it will deprive industries like banking, of their only real tool.

    The left has always been hobbled by the dual need to “reform” banking while simultaneously using it to transfer wealth to their supporters, hence the sub-prime train wreck. Once the white hipster male Bern bros finally get it that they will never get anything out of the deal, they might be more amenable to just trying to focus on the economic / good government aspects and abandon the welfare parts.

  39. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    Great comment.

  40. The centerpiece was an existing program called 10,000 Women, to which Goldman committed $100 million. …

    Wonder how many binders that many women would fill?

  41. @cucksworth
    @MC

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties...twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn't get brought up:



    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.
     

    Replies: @Anon, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Sean, @Thea

    “Trump on the other hand has changed political parties…twice (edit five times)!”

    Paris is worth a mass.

    –Henry IV of France.

  42. @cucksworth
    @MC

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties...twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn't get brought up:



    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.
     

    Replies: @Anon, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Sean, @Thea

    Far from being something to answer for, I suspect that it’s gotten to where a number of the electorate no longer cares or even finds it a good thing that Trump doesn’t care about party affiliation.

  43. @The Z Blog
    @Spotted Toad

    I'm always surprised how naive Americans are about confidence schemes. One key element to running a good scam is confusion. The good con-man working a long con lies about many inconsequential things. The reason for this is it keeps everyone off-balance and unable to notice patterns in his behavior. For instance, telling everyone a different origin story results in everyone operating with a slightly different understanding of the con-man. Comparing notes, therefore is less likely.

    The thing about Hillary scandals is they are always about money, specifically monetizing her access to power. The land schemes in Arkansas, the commodity scam, the Chinese money stuff in the 90's. Her MO is always to leverage the one asset she has, which is access to power. This e-mail business is just a version of the city hall contractor shake down scheme. The contractor pays a friend of the mayor and the mayor approves his deal. Later, the friend of the may pays the mayor.

    In this case, Blumenthal would cut the deals with foreigners. Bubba would show up and give a speech. Money would go into the Foundation "for the speech" but latter the foreigner would get what they really wanted. For intel, they let Blumenthal see classified data and he would pass it along. For deals in front of State, Clinton would fast track them to approval. All the other stuff is just chaff to confuse investigators.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    It’s particularly notable that Americans fall so much for cons, considering that they have the benefit of the con-artist theme that is found all over 20th century literature.

  44. @antipater_1
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    "Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President’s college transcripts stinks to high heaven."

    I am guessing Crooked Hillary's speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.

    So GS was just paying for immediate White House access and Crooked Hillary pocketed the money.

    Replies: @fish, @Harry Baldwin

    I am guessing Crooked Hillary’s speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.

    Excellent point….bad enough having to shell out all that money to have greasy pols do your bidding….no point in having to listen to their sanctimonious blathering after you do!

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    @fish

    MC: Ladies and Gentlemen, Hillary has a sore throat tonight, so whaddaya say we let her medicate at the bar while Jimmy Buffett gives us a few more numbers?

  45. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    True and deep comment (esp. about the paradox in relation to Islam) – although I can’t help pointing out the irony that your reasoning is very similar to Marx’s (in his actual writings) despite your derogatory reference to ‘cultural Marxism’.

    Anyway I’ll keep holding the banner for a right wing Marxism – that accepts Marx was mostly right in his analyses of capitalism but denies that socialism is the way out of capitalism’s contradictions!

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @blank-misgivings

    To be clear, I contend that the desired end is consumerism, which is not the same as capitalism.

    Only the free market can support the innovations people want and need. But innovation is risky and math is hard. So instead, corporations do things like hire lawyers and lobbyists to agitate for trade deals that let them sell existing products in new markets. That's how to get to the top of a corporation now, not by leading a project to invent a new medicine. I don't have a fully developed theory as to why this happened but incentives distorted by the merger of capital with government are probably a good place to start looking.

    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It's a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it's being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

  46. 2008 Crisis Deepened the Ties Between Clintons and Goldman Sachs

    Wasn’t Hillary’s Jewish son-in-law-to-be, Marc Mezvinsky, working for Goldman Sachs at that time???

  47. @Jim Don Bob
    @Spotted Toad

    That's a good point. On all the government computers I have ever used, we had to change our passwords every 90 days, you could not reuse previous passwords, and the passwords had to be 14 characters long with a mix of upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters. If HRC was, as Huma said, "frequently confused", then your argument makes a lot of sense.

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    I have never worked with a U.S. government computer but I have worked with a lot of bank computers. All required changing passwords every 90 days or even more frequently.

  48. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems.

    Capitalist propaganda portrays capitalism’s tendency to push disparate peoples together while weakening the hold of their traditional beliefs systems as an advantage, not a defect. Refer to Voltaire’s famous observation from the early 18th Century:

    “Go into the London Stock Exchange – a more respectable place than many a court – and you will see representatives from all nations gathered together for the utility of men. Here Jew, Mohammedan and Christian deal with each other as though they were all of the same faith, and only apply the word infidel to people who go bankrupt. Here the Presbyterian trusts the Anabaptist and the Anglican accepts a promise from the Quaker. On leaving these peaceful and free assemblies some go to the Synagogue and others for a drink, this one goes to be baptized in a great bath in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that one has his son’s foreskin cut and has some Hebrew words he doesn’t understand mumbled over the child, others go to their church and await the inspiration of God with their hats on, and everybody is happy.”

    • Replies: @SFG
    @advancedatheist

    Right. At least part of the appeal of universalist ideologies to capitalists is that they make the world safe for commerce. We are all one under Mammon.

    Replies: @advancedatheist

  49. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Let the byzantine iSteve conspiracy-plumbing being. Was Cetin a Gulenist who is upset about the Erdogan coup, is it an Erdogan to further discredit Gulen (and give a pretext for deportation)? IBM Presents ... You make the call!

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Nah, he’s just a standard non-assimilated Muslim.

    (As a previous commentor said, not fitting the pattern of most Turks in the U.S, but not unheard-of.)

  50. @cucksworth
    @MC

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties...twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn't get brought up:



    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.
     

    Replies: @Anon, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Sean, @Thea

    There is no doubt that Trump is an adventurer, but so was Winston Churchill, who changed parties repeatedly, and was so distrusted by the vast majority of Conservative MP’s (even after he became their leader) that they had to be ordered to start applauding him in the House of Commons.

    • Replies: @Busby
    @Sean

    Repeatedly? Not my definition of twice. Conservative to Liberal to Conservative.

    He left the Conservative Party in 1904 over tariffs and protectionism. The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor and Churchill lost his seat in the post war extinction.

    He returned to Parliament as an Independent Conservative and was accepted back into the Conservative Party several years later.

    "Anyone can rat. It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat."

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Sean

  51. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    Very astute. Thank you.

  52. @Name Withheld
    I wonder if the reason the Clinton's didn't get involved with Madoff was because someone at GS tipped them off. After all, there are many people in common who were friends of Clinton's and victims of Madoff.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Possibly, but I think Madoff’s target market was people who wanted to believe they were “investing”. The Clintons are more your Cash’n’Carry types.

    Not that any of those people (Goldman, Clintons, Madoff) are above what you describe…

    • Replies: @Name Withheld
    @Almost Missouri

    The list of actual victims of Madoff has never been revealed, which is sort of strange. The only public list is the people who tried to get their money back in court. There are rumors that many European royalty were involved, but declined to participate in the court case.

  53. Look at who’s behind the immigration crisis.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-20/soros-investing-500-million-europes-refugees-and-migrants-he-explains-why

    Aided and abetted by:

    Israeli NGO Helping Migrant Boats Reach Europe’s Shores, Instructs Them Where to Go.

    http://12.onsocialengine.com/post/5682193/israeli-ngo-helping-migrant-boats-reach-europes-shores-instructs

    So no surprises so far.

  54. @Cromwellforever
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    I was surprised. Most Turks in America are Kemalist secularists or Gulen boys, and neither are overly inclined to Islamic terrorism. Think both would rather lead coups in Turkey.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Someone on Reddit is claiming that the Turkish mall shooter is Christian and would attend youth groups. Supposedly his target was his girlfriend “Molly” who worked at Macy’s. Most of the victims were at the makeup counter.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Triumph104

    And someone else on Twitter is claiming that the shooter said the ISIS leader was his 'main man'!

    https://twitter.com/mhooshma16/status/780085509557149696

    Replies: @Lot, @Triumph104

    , @The most deplorable one
    @Triumph104

    Well, given that he was a Hillary supporter and was from Turkey, what is the probability that he was a Christian?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/24/manhunt-ends-turkish-muslim-arrested-for-washington-state-mall-shooting-five-dead/

  55. Hillary Clinton is a politician whore for the shyster rats at Goldman Sachs. The corrupt US government bailed out American International Group(AIG) during the global financial ripoff. AIG had backstopped all the financial derivative bets that the shyster rats at Goldman Sachs had made. Corrupt rodents in the US government bailed out AIG so that AIG could bail out Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs would have been vaporized if not for the machinations of the US government and the privately controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Bill and Hillary Clinton have been pushing monetary extremism and mass immigration for decades. When the young dopes stop smoking all that pot they will understand that mass immigration, monetary extremism and globalization have been smash and grab schemes from the get go.
    Trump should say in the debates that he will put the interests of the United States as a whole ahead of the interests of global banks such as Goldman Sachs. Trump might not get the votes of the Bernie Sanders crowd, but he might influence them to not vote for Hillary.
    Trump should also point out that Gutenburg gal Jannet Yellen, the figurehead of the privately controlled Federal Reserve Bank, has continued the monetary extremism of Ben Bernanke which includes zero interest rate schemes and massive bond purchases. If Trump were to give a shout-out to James Grant of Grant’s Interest Rate Observer, that would be fun.

  56. @JohnnyD
    It's the same with foreign policy. LGBT rights, feminism, and amnesty for illegals are more important than reassessing the disastrous "War on Terror." Also, none of Hillary's supporters seem to care that her "Russophobia" could lead to nuclear war.
    Fortunately for Trump, RFK's speech writer seems to get it:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rfk-trump-2016-democratic-party-speechwriter-214270

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Jefferson

    I have been screaming about preventing WW3/not provoking Russia (China, eh, not so much) in particular, into a war-like stance. Also, this article (RFK speech writer) is heavily in circulation – sent it to both liberal, conservatives and Deplorables.

    By the way, the Deplorables comment, and her whole clueless crusade into unmasking/taking on the “Alt-right” (who nobody in the country gets anyway, hilariously.) is going to be the Achilles’ heel for her. The 15 months of mocking half of the “stupid” American people by the press, she and her minions can not take back those words – the “it’s too late,” fact that must haunt them now. The utter disdain the press has for middle class Americans, calling them all racists and bigots, the “Everyday” Americans she named, has been so palpable for 15 months. Their blindness to this is breathtaking: it’s just too late for the nasty, scheming MSM, now. She would rather hang-out with the Streeters and the smug of the Coastal Elite than really, actually, govern. I feel she is devoid of showing any passion/interest to be a President…pursuing it only as “The Precious,” as Steve calls it. Her ego calls for the presidency and she will push aside big-eyed, dusty Syrian refugee children if she has to, to get her “Precious.” Look how she so “carelessly; again,” compromised the health/safety of that girl during 9/11 Day and supposed “pneumonia” day. I would have been outraged that someone who conceals illness hugs my child. It’s not Ebola, but I don’t what an ill person touching/being in the airspace of my child.

    The disdain for the middle class, together with the Vampire Squid (GS) and most of Wall Street, is quicksand she can’t crawl out of. Everybody, everybody still hates Wall Streeters. They ruined the economy/no one went to jail like in Iceland. Instead, bonuses are back in style. Also, the sticky fingers of Wall Street are not only on grandpa’s pension, but every commodity in this country, even Aluminum in Iceland. And, they’ve made a ton of money on perpetual war, just like my Grandpa said could be/was done during the World Wars. Big money and a complicit Dem & Repub govt in DC needs to be stopped…or there will be WW3 and nuclear fall-out. And, then it all sucks for everyone.

    What the heck were her “genius” points, anyway, that any firm would pay $675,000.00, in her speeches?…I am speechless! Her link to Wall Street (Bernie pointed this out but was deep-sixed by the DNC – thank God for Julian), the bizarro corrupt Clinton Foundation (registered in Canada), and her disdain (cheerleaded by MSM) for the American people outside of coasts & upper tiers of society, and her colossal failure in the Middle East (Libya/Iraq/Syria, etc.) , plus the smarmy, kiss-ass relationship with the Saudis, will sink her ship.

    And, finally, the reckless disregard for citizens who do not want millions of immigrants (poor, LEP, non educated) into their communities, is breathtaking. There is no strength in diversity…it’s just an idea that does not work in Sweden. Immigration is still the major issue, in this campaign. The knife attack in Washington was committed by a Turk. Nobody wants immigrants here until “we know what the heck is going on.” I never like that calculating (I think sociopathic) woman from the day she arrived on the national stage. Her steely, no-affect composure has always freaked me out.

  57. @Barnard
    Also worth mentioning that former Goldman employee and Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson endorsed Hillary. Don't know why she would want an endorsement like that though.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    She got a kind of endorsement from the evil fascist (as she probably saw it) whom she and Bill unseated in 1992 – George Herbert Walker Bush. He told Kathleen Kennedy Townsend that he was going to vote for Hillary. It’s all very chummy among the elites.

  58. This helps to explain why Wells Fargo received such a light fine of $185 million for opening millions of fraudulent checking and credit card accounts after their employees were subjected to Chairman Mao-level sales quotas. Carrie Tolstedt, leader of the unit involved in the fraud, was given a $125 million golden parachute. Her husband retired from Wells Fargo in 2005, so they both know where all the bodies are buried.

    Warren Buffet is Wells Fargo’s largest shareholder and a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter.

    A $2.6 billion class action lawsuit has been filed on behalf of the honest employees who were either demoted or fired for not making quotas. There were also numerous labor law violations.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Triumph104

    "This helps to explain why Wells Fargo received such a light fine of $185 million for opening millions of fraudulent checking and credit card accounts after their employees were subjected to Chairman Mao-level sales quotas."

    $185 million dollars is lunch money to Wells Fargo.

  59. @ATX Hipster
    Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ (http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/255695/will-this-finish-deutsches-investment-bank/) that may put them under.

    DB's market cap today is, according to Google Finance, $17.3bn. Goldman's is $65.8bn.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Lot

    I bought some Goldman stock in late ’08 for about $85 and sold it a couple of years later for somewhere in the low $130’s.

    There’s a lot of truth to the old adage, “Buy when there’s blood on the Streets.”

    Shudda kept it.

  60. @jill
    Goldman would not even use it's own money to build a new headquarters

    http://www.goodjobsny.org/economic-development/goldman-sachs

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/news/-229036-1.html

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Goldman would not even use it’s own money to build a new headquarters.”

    One of the worlds wealthiest investment banks – maybe the wealthiest – gets public assistance to build their new HQ. That’s certainly……….what’s the word?…………Chutzpah.

    I guess the thinking is that – like in the 50s, when “what is good for General Motors is good for America” – what is good for Goldman Sachs is good for America.

    Except that it may have partially been true for General Motors, and it is completely untrue for Goldman Sachs.

  61. I possess no medical knowledge other than common sense (something is wrong with her and it is not pneumonia)… this seems more sober than some speculation rolling around:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/dr_lisa_bardacks_faustian_bargain_comments.html#disqus_thread

    I also had not come across any (possible) explanation for the blue metallic sunglasses she wore that day and appeared to not take off:

    7. Bardack’s 2015 letter mentioned the Fresnel prism glasses Hillary wore to eliminate double vision. The 2016 letter makes no mention of the Zeiss Z1 blue lenses she was wearing on September 11th. These are used to help prevent seizures, particularly in photosensitive epilepsy, and improve motor control. They are not normally prescribed for patients with pneumonia or seasonal allergies.

  62. “If we broke up the big banks tomorrow,” Mrs. Clinton asked the audience of black, white and Hispanic union members, “would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the L.G.B.T. community?,” she said, using an abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. “Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”

    At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.

    SJWs: Creating safe spaces for the elites.

  63. @Triumph104
    @Cromwellforever

    Someone on Reddit is claiming that the Turkish mall shooter is Christian and would attend youth groups. Supposedly his target was his girlfriend "Molly" who worked at Macy's. Most of the victims were at the makeup counter.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/54d7ek/cascade_mall_shooter_arrested/d80xq2c

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @The most deplorable one

    And someone else on Twitter is claiming that the shooter said the ISIS leader was his ‘main man’!

    https://twitter.com/mhooshma16/status/780085509557149696

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anonymous Nephew

    His twitter and two tumblrs (still online right now) indicate not a guy who follows ISIS, but just another violent low-IQ Muslim weirdo.

    There are not too many posts, but they include a childhood photo of Ted Bundy, a picture of Mein Kampf, a picture of Turkish food, a picture of him posing in the mirror wearing orange brief underwear, etc.

    He looks like he's sub-80 IQ.

    I wonder if talking about how we should "stop Muslim terrorism" is in a way a dog-whistle for saying we just need to not have Muslim-origin people in the country. For every real terrorists, we get 300 losers like this guy.

    Having Muslims in your community simply degrades it, no matter what their personal political views.

    Replies: @Spotted Toad

    , @Triumph104
    @Anonymous Nephew

    The mall shooter also calls the Ayatollah/"Supreme leader of Iran" a burrito supreme. "Glory to God" is a common term used by Christians.

    Link to the Reddit post in the tweet:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/54fnrb/absolutely_undeniable_proof_that_arcan_cetin_the/?st=ITIXVHI7&sh=d61c8514

  64. @ATX Hipster
    Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ (http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/255695/will-this-finish-deutsches-investment-bank/) that may put them under.

    DB's market cap today is, according to Google Finance, $17.3bn. Goldman's is $65.8bn.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Bill Jones, @Lot

    Goldman ultimately ended up paying $5.1bn. Deutsche Bank got saddled with a $14bn fine from DOJ

    $5.1b was GS’s settlement. $14b is the current DOJ demand number to DB, the final settlement amount will be much lower, more likely about $5b as well.

    There is some talk that the EU trying to make Apple pay billions more in taxes and harassing Google over privacy and antitrust issues will make the DOJ play hardball with DB in revenge, but who knows.

  65. @anon930
    Here in Massachusetts our former governor Deval Patrick, who was good friends and a Democratic party insider/rising star, joined Bain capital after he left office. They say he's doing "social impact investing". A little curious given Obama ran a lot of ads in 2012 saying how evil Mitt Romney and Bain capital were. I guess they just didn't realize Bain Capital was on the cutting edge of social justice.

    Replies: @Lot

    A little curious given Obama ran a lot of ads in 2012 saying how evil Mitt Romney and Bain capital were. I guess they just didn’t realize Bain Capital was on the cutting edge of social justice.

    Obama was right in 2012, Bain Capital is a force for great evil in the USA, as is Goldman Sachs.

  66. @Triumph104
    @Cromwellforever

    Someone on Reddit is claiming that the Turkish mall shooter is Christian and would attend youth groups. Supposedly his target was his girlfriend "Molly" who worked at Macy's. Most of the victims were at the makeup counter.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/54d7ek/cascade_mall_shooter_arrested/d80xq2c

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @The most deplorable one

    Well, given that he was a Hillary supporter and was from Turkey, what is the probability that he was a Christian?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/24/manhunt-ends-turkish-muslim-arrested-for-washington-state-mall-shooting-five-dead/

  67. If she had to change her password weekly or daily, I can empathize. But if it was less often (and given the total lack of security in other matters, I’m guessing it was just a single unchanging password), it’s pretty damning.

    You shouldn’t empathize. There are several free programs that will generate passwords as long as you like. You can choose the types of characters used, etc. It takes about 5 seconds to fire one up and change your password. It takes about 1 minute to download one and put it on a thumb drive or SD card.

    Illary is a techno-gimp because she chooses to be (plausible deniability, imperious, unserious, luddite, etc.), or because she’s mentally impaired.

    Neither is a legitimate source of empathy in a presidential candidate.

    How will Hillary respond to the secret speech accusation if Trump brings it up in the debates?

    How will she respond to her own quote (“what difference does it make” if we go after the Vampire Squid) if Trump puts it on an index card and reads it back to her?

    Cucksworth: that must be why the media love Trump so much.

    That’s a good point. On all the government computers I have ever used, we had to change our passwords every 90 days, you could not reuse previous passwords, and the passwords had to be 14 characters long with a mix of upper and lower case letters, numbers, and special characters. If HRC was, as Huma said, “frequently confused”, then your argument makes a lot of sense.

    14 characters? Yeah, no wonder they’re always being hacked.

  68. Clinton’s lead narrows to 3 points in Pennsylvania

    Man, Hillary is so done.

    Clinton leads Trump by nearly 6 points, 46 percent to 40.8 percent, according to the RealClearPolitics average of polling, in the Keystone State.

    Just to keep readers informed: the Illary +3 poll is the only poll from September in the current RCP average. All the rest are from August.

    But don’t worry Illary, Jeff Bezos is “fixing” the reviews of your book (please clap!) that nobody is buying.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Svigor

    A trend in the right direction, but remember any Republican needs to win a state like Pennsylvania by 3-4 points to offset voter fraud in the big cities like Philadelphia. The rural and suburban areas of these states always report their election results first, and then the big city Democrat machine figures out how many votes they need to fabricate to overcome it. He needs to win big enough that even a Democrat would blush to fake enough votes to overcome it.
    In the 1960 election the outer, Republican, precincts of Illinois played a game of chicken and tried to hold back reporting their count for a change until Chicago reported theirs first, but Daley out-waited them and when the rest of the state finally reported in, Shazam, Chicago reported just enough votes to make Kennedy President.

  69. I think we’re going to see two October surprises go against Illary. One from Assange, and one from FBI leakers.

  70. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Triumph104

    And someone else on Twitter is claiming that the shooter said the ISIS leader was his 'main man'!

    https://twitter.com/mhooshma16/status/780085509557149696

    Replies: @Lot, @Triumph104

    His twitter and two tumblrs (still online right now) indicate not a guy who follows ISIS, but just another violent low-IQ Muslim weirdo.

    There are not too many posts, but they include a childhood photo of Ted Bundy, a picture of Mein Kampf, a picture of Turkish food, a picture of him posing in the mirror wearing orange brief underwear, etc.

    He looks like he’s sub-80 IQ.

    I wonder if talking about how we should “stop Muslim terrorism” is in a way a dog-whistle for saying we just need to not have Muslim-origin people in the country. For every real terrorists, we get 300 losers like this guy.

    Having Muslims in your community simply degrades it, no matter what their personal political views.

    • Replies: @Spotted Toad
    @Lot

    I basically agree with this; I don't think it's so much about intelligence as about ability to adapt to a secular society with relatively little social support. A lot of guys who have been "born and bred" for our type of society have trouble with it, it seems unsurprising that Muslim men have particular troubles, given how different their societies are in religiosity and social structure.

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/bros-not-bombs/

    In any case, that's why it's so dumb to protest "but he wasn't even religious!" after one of these attacks.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon

  71. That summer Mr. Blankfein was among the A-list guests at Mr. Clinton’s 64th birthday bash in the Hamptons.

    Charitably you’d think this mixing of business and pleasure was done simply to provide cover for the Clintons’ more ethically-challenged transactions (like Godfather agreeing to break the faces of those boys who’d raped the little baker’s daughter in exchange for a favor to be named later) but I think a very significant factor in play as well is the Clintons’ need to get THEIR OWN FREAKIN’ LIVES! Ever since Bill divulged that he’d rather be hanging out with the Beatles than leading the free world, it’s obvious there’s never been a bigger pair of tacky star-f**ker’s occupying the White House. You see, accumulating money and power is not the end-all-be-all for these two; the purpose of all their high-profile phony-friends is- well, to have friends. I’m sure they have enough real friends in their lives to fill up a modest, upper middle class well-to-do-scale birthday bash for Hillary, but nowhere near enough for the several hundred RSVP, A-list celebrity blowout (“Is that Bon Jovi talking to the Dali Lama!”) they feel they’re entitled to. The cronyism and greed I could deal with; but this pathetic need by these two ugly ducklings to be oh-so-fabulous has always made my skin crawl.

    PS: This is why I admit now to a grudging respect for the Obamas. Their vice of not really liking white people and sticking to a select circle of upper class black families from their hometown of Chicago to socialize with strikes me as pretty reasonable and level-headed. I could more often acknowledge Michelle’s pretty strong virtues as a mother, wife, and First Lady if we didn’t have to share the same country where she’d grown up resenting white people for her own personal inadequacies and I resented her for her resentment.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Nico
    @Abe

    The one caveat is that Barack Obama knowing has rode on and egged on his "cool"-boy image and has pretended to be a believing Christian and a patriotic American with the aim of undermining everything recognizably Christian or American in any meaningful sense of the word. I could admit to a grudging respect for Michelle but never for her revolting metrosexual coke-snorting hubby.

    , @CJ
    @Abe

    Interesting analysis; the Clintons do exhibit an attraction to glitz and glamor that makes the Obamas look restrained. Ditto for their financial avarice. BTW, the Godfather character who "comes to Don Corleone for justice" is the undertaker Amerigo Bonasera (literally "Goodnight America"). Later in the film Don Vito brings Sonny's bullet-ridden body to the Bonasera funeral home.

    , @Lagertha
    @Abe

    no more Clintons; no more white trash in the white house...said by an octogenarian women, dog-walker friend of mine.

  72. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Triumph104

    And someone else on Twitter is claiming that the shooter said the ISIS leader was his 'main man'!

    https://twitter.com/mhooshma16/status/780085509557149696

    Replies: @Lot, @Triumph104

    The mall shooter also calls the Ayatollah/”Supreme leader of Iran” a burrito supreme. “Glory to God” is a common term used by Christians.

    Link to the Reddit post in the tweet:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/54fnrb/absolutely_undeniable_proof_that_arcan_cetin_the/?st=ITIXVHI7&sh=d61c8514

  73. @MC
    It was always in Wall Street's best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.

    Hence the panic about Trump, who is not particularly ideological, nor has he been bought out.

    Replies: @cucksworth, @Connecticut Famer, @Abe

    It was always in Wall Street’s best interest to buy out the dems, not the Republicans. The Republicans are already pro-Wall Street as a matter of ideology. No need to buy them out.

    Thanks for the pro-tip, Captain Obvious. No, in seriousness this is good point, but one I’ve been pondering for a couple years now and think deserves deeper analysis.

    This is similar to Jewish/Israeli positioning with regard to the two major parties, which I started thinking about when I read a clunker of a NYT op-ed by a former Mossad honcho on how wonderful! Democrats are on Israel, complete with effusive praise for Jimmy Carter. I mean, sure, Carter was OK 30 years ago, but you can’t mean the same Kreepy Khristian who now runs around saying Zionism is Apartheid, can you? But surely Mr. Mossad big-wig is smart enough to know this, and so what he was doing was not trying to “win” any sort of argument (for there can be no “victory” in a two-party democracy) but simply, like any competent lobbyist, hedge his bets by flattering the more anti-Israel political party so that Israel would never lose an effective avenue of access no matter who the current occupant of the White House happened to be. A “vibrant” candidate like Hillary (corrupt and venal enough to be easily controlled, personally philo-Semitic, and holding the whip-hand in the political party to which the bulk of BDS-types ultimately conclave, with enough diversity Pokemon points for supposedly being a womyn to shut-up any upstart cishet Palestinian man) is ideal from the Israeli stand-point, and I honestly think they’d have a much warmer relationship with her than a President Trump, for fear that too-close an association with him would make Israel irredeemably toxic to progressives. I somehow suspect that if a modern von Neumann worked out the numbers on it, the current status quo of a rabidly pro-Israel, neocon Republican party getting only 30% of the Jewish vote but sizeable donations, while a much more ambivalent at the grass-roots level Democratic party getting 70% is somehow a global maximum from a game theoretic standpoint.

  74. It’s quite simple. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton this cycle has absolutely no credibility ever complaining again about 1) big banks, or 2) extension or retardation of “democracy.” But they will be g

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Nico

    It’s quite simple. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton this cycle has absolutely no credibility ever complaining again about 1) big banks, or 2) extension or retardation of “democracy.”

    Elizabeth Warren who belongs to the Native American tribe Dances With Liars, claims she hates the big banks & Wall Street but will ride or die for Crooked Hildabeast. The two contradict each other.

    If Dances With Liars truly hates big banks and Wall Street, she would be voting for Jill Stein.

  75. It’s quite simple. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton this cycle has absolutely no credibility ever complaining again about 1) big banks, or 2) extension or retardation of “democracy.” But they will be given a free pass by the liars’ press because the left’s modus operandi is to spread its lies and patch over its cognitive dissonance. They will do so until they are brought down or they bring society down with them.

  76. • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @European in America

    It's on Pravda and Sputnik - they quote something called Fars News, and there's also a comment by that Global Research prof to the effect that the strike was "in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian forces at Deir ez-Zor" i.e. a week or more ago. It says the centre was in caves, but the video sure looks like a heavily populated city. Fog of war?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/135692-syria-0/

    Are you saying it's huge in terms of a possible US/Israeli response (which hasn't happened so far), or it's huge in that we now 'know' (no evidence but it wouldn't be a shock) that the bad hats, our lot, are co-ordinating the headchoppers from inside Syrian territory?

    Mind, Pravda's not what it was, has a distinctly clickbaity feel. One link "The danger that sex with machines poses to human health".

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Peripatetic commenter, @snorlax

  77. @Lot
    @Anonymous Nephew

    His twitter and two tumblrs (still online right now) indicate not a guy who follows ISIS, but just another violent low-IQ Muslim weirdo.

    There are not too many posts, but they include a childhood photo of Ted Bundy, a picture of Mein Kampf, a picture of Turkish food, a picture of him posing in the mirror wearing orange brief underwear, etc.

    He looks like he's sub-80 IQ.

    I wonder if talking about how we should "stop Muslim terrorism" is in a way a dog-whistle for saying we just need to not have Muslim-origin people in the country. For every real terrorists, we get 300 losers like this guy.

    Having Muslims in your community simply degrades it, no matter what their personal political views.

    Replies: @Spotted Toad

    I basically agree with this; I don’t think it’s so much about intelligence as about ability to adapt to a secular society with relatively little social support. A lot of guys who have been “born and bred” for our type of society have trouble with it, it seems unsurprising that Muslim men have particular troubles, given how different their societies are in religiosity and social structure.

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/bros-not-bombs/

    In any case, that’s why it’s so dumb to protest “but he wasn’t even religious!” after one of these attacks.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Spotted Toad

    Muslims present a double-whammy of cultural and genetic based problems for the West, excluding perhaps Malaysians and elite Indians.

    Recognizing that our power to assimilate Muslims into our existing society is limited- and will become more limited as larger numbers arrive, as the experience of several European countries has shown- does not entail excluding those Muslims who are already here from the circle of American life.
     

    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.

    There are many, many more "Muslims who are already here" who should be excluded "from the circle of American life," in particular illegals and asylum-claiming migrants here on TPS status.

    We ought to give Ethiopia $1.5 billion a year to establish a puppet government in part of Somalia we can deport people to and require to be the home of "refugees" who want to come here.

    Replies: @Nico, @SFG

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Spotted Toad

    "In any case, that’s why it’s so dumb to protest “but he wasn’t even religious!” after one of these attacks."

    Quite so. Religion is part of culture, even for those who are irreligious. The dominant religion of your culture is the sea in which you grew up swimming in.

  78. @Abe

    That summer Mr. Blankfein was among the A-list guests at Mr. Clinton’s 64th birthday bash in the Hamptons.
     
    Charitably you'd think this mixing of business and pleasure was done simply to provide cover for the Clintons' more ethically-challenged transactions (like Godfather agreeing to break the faces of those boys who'd raped the little baker's daughter in exchange for a favor to be named later) but I think a very significant factor in play as well is the Clintons' need to get THEIR OWN FREAKIN' LIVES! Ever since Bill divulged that he'd rather be hanging out with the Beatles than leading the free world, it's obvious there's never been a bigger pair of tacky star-f**ker's occupying the White House. You see, accumulating money and power is not the end-all-be-all for these two; the purpose of all their high-profile phony-friends is- well, to have friends. I'm sure they have enough real friends in their lives to fill up a modest, upper middle class well-to-do-scale birthday bash for Hillary, but nowhere near enough for the several hundred RSVP, A-list celebrity blowout ("Is that Bon Jovi talking to the Dali Lama!") they feel they're entitled to. The cronyism and greed I could deal with; but this pathetic need by these two ugly ducklings to be oh-so-fabulous has always made my skin crawl.

    PS: This is why I admit now to a grudging respect for the Obamas. Their vice of not really liking white people and sticking to a select circle of upper class black families from their hometown of Chicago to socialize with strikes me as pretty reasonable and level-headed. I could more often acknowledge Michelle's pretty strong virtues as a mother, wife, and First Lady if we didn't have to share the same country where she'd grown up resenting white people for her own personal inadequacies and I resented her for her resentment.

    Replies: @Nico, @CJ, @Lagertha

    The one caveat is that Barack Obama knowing has rode on and egged on his “cool”-boy image and has pretended to be a believing Christian and a patriotic American with the aim of undermining everything recognizably Christian or American in any meaningful sense of the word. I could admit to a grudging respect for Michelle but never for her revolting metrosexual coke-snorting hubby.

  79. @Sam
    Goldman Sachs paying off the multicult strikes as being similar to the Mafia's relations to the Church. Some were believers but they manage to rationalize their behavior(no innocent, no killing sundays and especially not at the church,etc.). Additionally you might be a benefactor to your local church partly for spiritual reasons, norms but also as a kind of pay-off to the church and the legitimacy it gives you in the local community.
    Kind of similar except, embarrassingly for the Catholic church, it seems the anti-racists believers are much more demanding of their criminal counterpart than Catholics were of their criminals.

    All this fits well with Paul Gottfried's view of anti-racism as adopting Christian traditions.

    Replies: @SFG

    Cultural traditions always have to start somewhere. The idea of liberalism as an atheistic Christian heresy is an interesting one–I remember first reading it in Moldbug but I doubt he came up with it.

  80. @advancedatheist
    @Jean Cocteausten


    They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems.
     
    Capitalist propaganda portrays capitalism's tendency to push disparate peoples together while weakening the hold of their traditional beliefs systems as an advantage, not a defect. Refer to Voltaire's famous observation from the early 18th Century:

    "Go into the London Stock Exchange – a more respectable place than many a court – and you will see representatives from all nations gathered together for the utility of men. Here Jew, Mohammedan and Christian deal with each other as though they were all of the same faith, and only apply the word infidel to people who go bankrupt. Here the Presbyterian trusts the Anabaptist and the Anglican accepts a promise from the Quaker. On leaving these peaceful and free assemblies some go to the Synagogue and others for a drink, this one goes to be baptized in a great bath in the name of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, that one has his son’s foreskin cut and has some Hebrew words he doesn’t understand mumbled over the child, others go to their church and await the inspiration of God with their hats on, and everybody is happy."

    Replies: @SFG

    Right. At least part of the appeal of universalist ideologies to capitalists is that they make the world safe for commerce. We are all one under Mammon.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @SFG

    Voltaire and other intellectuals in the Enlightenment praised the trend towards relative religious apathy mediated by trade because they thought it would prevent new wars of religion.

    Replies: @SFG

  81. @European in America
    OT but has anyone heard anything about this

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalition-intelligence-operations-room-inside-syria-destroyed-by-russian-missile-attack-thirty-israeli-american-british-turkish-saudi-qatari-intelligence-officials-killed-report/5547099

    If true it's potentially huge.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    It’s on Pravda and Sputnik – they quote something called Fars News, and there’s also a comment by that Global Research prof to the effect that the strike was “in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian forces at Deir ez-Zor” i.e. a week or more ago. It says the centre was in caves, but the video sure looks like a heavily populated city. Fog of war?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/135692-syria-0/

    Are you saying it’s huge in terms of a possible US/Israeli response (which hasn’t happened so far), or it’s huge in that we now ‘know’ (no evidence but it wouldn’t be a shock) that the bad hats, our lot, are co-ordinating the headchoppers from inside Syrian territory?

    Mind, Pravda’s not what it was, has a distinctly clickbaity feel. One link “The danger that sex with machines poses to human health”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Anonymous Nephew

    More fog of war - a site I've never heard of* reported on 12th Sept (if Google news is kosher) that Russia requested the US/Jordanian/ Saudi/ Israeli/Qatari/UAE control room in northern Jordan be shut down.

    http://www.debka.com/article/25658/Russia-Dissolve-US-Arab-Israeli-Syria-war-room

    "In another move to grab control of the Syrian arena, the Kremlin marked the start of the US-Russian brokered ceasefire in Syria on Sept 12 with a push for the United States to dissolve the war room that has been running anti-Assad operations from a venue north of the Jordanian capital Amman. "

    * that may be ignorance

    , @Peripatetic commenter
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Washington's ambassador to the UN accuses Russia of screwing the pooch and several little girls:

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdd5f09c-831d-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Bugg

    , @snorlax
    @Anonymous Nephew


    Mind, Pravda’s not what it was
     
    And when you can't trust Pravda, who can you trust?
  82. @Spotted Toad
    @Lot

    I basically agree with this; I don't think it's so much about intelligence as about ability to adapt to a secular society with relatively little social support. A lot of guys who have been "born and bred" for our type of society have trouble with it, it seems unsurprising that Muslim men have particular troubles, given how different their societies are in religiosity and social structure.

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/bros-not-bombs/

    In any case, that's why it's so dumb to protest "but he wasn't even religious!" after one of these attacks.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon

    Muslims present a double-whammy of cultural and genetic based problems for the West, excluding perhaps Malaysians and elite Indians.

    Recognizing that our power to assimilate Muslims into our existing society is limited- and will become more limited as larger numbers arrive, as the experience of several European countries has shown- does not entail excluding those Muslims who are already here from the circle of American life.

    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.

    There are many, many more “Muslims who are already here” who should be excluded “from the circle of American life,” in particular illegals and asylum-claiming migrants here on TPS status.

    We ought to give Ethiopia $1.5 billion a year to establish a puppet government in part of Somalia we can deport people to and require to be the home of “refugees” who want to come here.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Lot


    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.
     
    Why are we necessarily "stuck" with citizens or lawful permanent residents?

    I am often exasperated with the unwillingness of conservatives to think "outside the box." What are we, afraid of being accused of racism or fascism or Nazism? Yawn. That's the Left's first and last line of offense since 1946 at least.

    I'll put it another way: the swelling masses of nonwhites and nonchristians in Western countries is nothing less than an existential threat to the kind of society I like to live in and hope to raise my children to live in, and possibly to my own life and to the lives of many people I love. I would like for us to start discussing whether there is not a humane way to reduce the aforementioned populations.

    Replies: @IA

    , @SFG
    @Lot

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off...

    Slam shut the gates, kill this anti-American stuff in the schools, and I really think we could make it. Of course, we'll never get that either...

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lot, @Maj. Kong

  83. @blank-misgivings
    @Jean Cocteausten

    True and deep comment (esp. about the paradox in relation to Islam) - although I can't help pointing out the irony that your reasoning is very similar to Marx's (in his actual writings) despite your derogatory reference to 'cultural Marxism'.

    Anyway I'll keep holding the banner for a right wing Marxism - that accepts Marx was mostly right in his analyses of capitalism but denies that socialism is the way out of capitalism's contradictions!

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    To be clear, I contend that the desired end is consumerism, which is not the same as capitalism.

    Only the free market can support the innovations people want and need. But innovation is risky and math is hard. So instead, corporations do things like hire lawyers and lobbyists to agitate for trade deals that let them sell existing products in new markets. That’s how to get to the top of a corporation now, not by leading a project to invent a new medicine. I don’t have a fully developed theory as to why this happened but incentives distorted by the merger of capital with government are probably a good place to start looking.

    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It’s a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it’s being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jean Cocteausten


    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad.
     
    It's our children's future (they're the one's picking up the tab) which is being traded for antibiotics and a full refrigerator, with traditions collateral damage.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jean Cocteausten

    "I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It’s a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it’s being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out."

    In the end, we might end up with neither traditions nor antibiotics nor even a refrigerator, let alone a full one.

  84. @Anonymous Nephew
    @European in America

    It's on Pravda and Sputnik - they quote something called Fars News, and there's also a comment by that Global Research prof to the effect that the strike was "in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian forces at Deir ez-Zor" i.e. a week or more ago. It says the centre was in caves, but the video sure looks like a heavily populated city. Fog of war?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/135692-syria-0/

    Are you saying it's huge in terms of a possible US/Israeli response (which hasn't happened so far), or it's huge in that we now 'know' (no evidence but it wouldn't be a shock) that the bad hats, our lot, are co-ordinating the headchoppers from inside Syrian territory?

    Mind, Pravda's not what it was, has a distinctly clickbaity feel. One link "The danger that sex with machines poses to human health".

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Peripatetic commenter, @snorlax

    More fog of war – a site I’ve never heard of* reported on 12th Sept (if Google news is kosher) that Russia requested the US/Jordanian/ Saudi/ Israeli/Qatari/UAE control room in northern Jordan be shut down.

    http://www.debka.com/article/25658/Russia-Dissolve-US-Arab-Israeli-Syria-war-room

    “In another move to grab control of the Syrian arena, the Kremlin marked the start of the US-Russian brokered ceasefire in Syria on Sept 12 with a push for the United States to dissolve the war room that has been running anti-Assad operations from a venue north of the Jordanian capital Amman. “

    * that may be ignorance

  85. @Svigor
    Clinton's lead narrows to 3 points in Pennsylvania

    Man, Hillary is so done.

    Clinton leads Trump by nearly 6 points, 46 percent to 40.8 percent, according to the RealClearPolitics average of polling, in the Keystone State.
     
    Just to keep readers informed: the Illary +3 poll is the only poll from September in the current RCP average. All the rest are from August.

    But don't worry Illary, Jeff Bezos is "fixing" the reviews of your book (please clap!) that nobody is buying.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    A trend in the right direction, but remember any Republican needs to win a state like Pennsylvania by 3-4 points to offset voter fraud in the big cities like Philadelphia. The rural and suburban areas of these states always report their election results first, and then the big city Democrat machine figures out how many votes they need to fabricate to overcome it. He needs to win big enough that even a Democrat would blush to fake enough votes to overcome it.
    In the 1960 election the outer, Republican, precincts of Illinois played a game of chicken and tried to hold back reporting their count for a change until Chicago reported theirs first, but Daley out-waited them and when the rest of the state finally reported in, Shazam, Chicago reported just enough votes to make Kennedy President.

  86. @Lot
    @Spotted Toad

    Muslims present a double-whammy of cultural and genetic based problems for the West, excluding perhaps Malaysians and elite Indians.

    Recognizing that our power to assimilate Muslims into our existing society is limited- and will become more limited as larger numbers arrive, as the experience of several European countries has shown- does not entail excluding those Muslims who are already here from the circle of American life.
     

    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.

    There are many, many more "Muslims who are already here" who should be excluded "from the circle of American life," in particular illegals and asylum-claiming migrants here on TPS status.

    We ought to give Ethiopia $1.5 billion a year to establish a puppet government in part of Somalia we can deport people to and require to be the home of "refugees" who want to come here.

    Replies: @Nico, @SFG

    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.

    Why are we necessarily “stuck” with citizens or lawful permanent residents?

    I am often exasperated with the unwillingness of conservatives to think “outside the box.” What are we, afraid of being accused of racism or fascism or Nazism? Yawn. That’s the Left’s first and last line of offense since 1946 at least.

    I’ll put it another way: the swelling masses of nonwhites and nonchristians in Western countries is nothing less than an existential threat to the kind of society I like to live in and hope to raise my children to live in, and possibly to my own life and to the lives of many people I love. I would like for us to start discussing whether there is not a humane way to reduce the aforementioned populations.

    • Replies: @IA
    @Nico


    I would like for us to start discussing whether there is not a humane way to reduce the aforementioned populations.
     
    You're wasting your breath with this Lot.
  87. @SFG
    @advancedatheist

    Right. At least part of the appeal of universalist ideologies to capitalists is that they make the world safe for commerce. We are all one under Mammon.

    Replies: @advancedatheist

    Voltaire and other intellectuals in the Enlightenment praised the trend towards relative religious apathy mediated by trade because they thought it would prevent new wars of religion.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @advancedatheist

    Were they wrong?

    Of course, then people just got into ideology instead. Communism was a pretty crappy religion--you don't even get an afterlife.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

  88. @Jean Cocteausten
    @blank-misgivings

    To be clear, I contend that the desired end is consumerism, which is not the same as capitalism.

    Only the free market can support the innovations people want and need. But innovation is risky and math is hard. So instead, corporations do things like hire lawyers and lobbyists to agitate for trade deals that let them sell existing products in new markets. That's how to get to the top of a corporation now, not by leading a project to invent a new medicine. I don't have a fully developed theory as to why this happened but incentives distorted by the merger of capital with government are probably a good place to start looking.

    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It's a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it's being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad.

    It’s our children’s future (they’re the one’s picking up the tab) which is being traded for antibiotics and a full refrigerator, with traditions collateral damage.

  89. OT

    Below you can view a short clip of billionaire virtue signaler Mark Cuban saying that if it’s late at nite and he sees “a black kid in a hoodie” (an unlikely scenario for the average billionaire, but ignore that) he crosses the street:

    https://twitter.com/FreeDavidKing/status/779806172677279744

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @eah

    Mark Cuban is a hate criminal!

  90. @Abe

    That summer Mr. Blankfein was among the A-list guests at Mr. Clinton’s 64th birthday bash in the Hamptons.
     
    Charitably you'd think this mixing of business and pleasure was done simply to provide cover for the Clintons' more ethically-challenged transactions (like Godfather agreeing to break the faces of those boys who'd raped the little baker's daughter in exchange for a favor to be named later) but I think a very significant factor in play as well is the Clintons' need to get THEIR OWN FREAKIN' LIVES! Ever since Bill divulged that he'd rather be hanging out with the Beatles than leading the free world, it's obvious there's never been a bigger pair of tacky star-f**ker's occupying the White House. You see, accumulating money and power is not the end-all-be-all for these two; the purpose of all their high-profile phony-friends is- well, to have friends. I'm sure they have enough real friends in their lives to fill up a modest, upper middle class well-to-do-scale birthday bash for Hillary, but nowhere near enough for the several hundred RSVP, A-list celebrity blowout ("Is that Bon Jovi talking to the Dali Lama!") they feel they're entitled to. The cronyism and greed I could deal with; but this pathetic need by these two ugly ducklings to be oh-so-fabulous has always made my skin crawl.

    PS: This is why I admit now to a grudging respect for the Obamas. Their vice of not really liking white people and sticking to a select circle of upper class black families from their hometown of Chicago to socialize with strikes me as pretty reasonable and level-headed. I could more often acknowledge Michelle's pretty strong virtues as a mother, wife, and First Lady if we didn't have to share the same country where she'd grown up resenting white people for her own personal inadequacies and I resented her for her resentment.

    Replies: @Nico, @CJ, @Lagertha

    Interesting analysis; the Clintons do exhibit an attraction to glitz and glamor that makes the Obamas look restrained. Ditto for their financial avarice. BTW, the Godfather character who “comes to Don Corleone for justice” is the undertaker Amerigo Bonasera (literally “Goodnight America”). Later in the film Don Vito brings Sonny’s bullet-ridden body to the Bonasera funeral home.

  91. @Anonymous Nephew
    @European in America

    It's on Pravda and Sputnik - they quote something called Fars News, and there's also a comment by that Global Research prof to the effect that the strike was "in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian forces at Deir ez-Zor" i.e. a week or more ago. It says the centre was in caves, but the video sure looks like a heavily populated city. Fog of war?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/135692-syria-0/

    Are you saying it's huge in terms of a possible US/Israeli response (which hasn't happened so far), or it's huge in that we now 'know' (no evidence but it wouldn't be a shock) that the bad hats, our lot, are co-ordinating the headchoppers from inside Syrian territory?

    Mind, Pravda's not what it was, has a distinctly clickbaity feel. One link "The danger that sex with machines poses to human health".

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Peripatetic commenter, @snorlax

    Washington’s ambassador to the UN accuses Russia of screwing the pooch and several little girls:

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdd5f09c-831d-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Peripatetic commenter

    There was a time in which my first instinct -- and, I think, mostly pretty well justified -- was always to believe my own government over the Soviets/Russians when there were conflicting reports on an incident.

    That time has passed. I can see each government as being as likely as the other to be lying through its teeth in such incidents.

    I have no idea, therefore, what to believe faced with reports like this.

    , @Bugg
    @Peripatetic commenter

    CBS and "60 Minutes" over the past 2 weeks have once again cast Putin as the Devil and Russia as the Soviet Empire reborn. Report featured a whole bunch of "experts" and military you've never heard of. The Hillary campaign wants to make this an issue without discussing her deal with Russia for US uranium. And without honestly saying no US president is going to war with Russia over the Baltics,Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia. It's none of out business.

  92. @Anonymous Nephew
    @European in America

    It's on Pravda and Sputnik - they quote something called Fars News, and there's also a comment by that Global Research prof to the effect that the strike was "in the immediate wake of the US Air Strikes against Syrian forces at Deir ez-Zor" i.e. a week or more ago. It says the centre was in caves, but the video sure looks like a heavily populated city. Fog of war?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/video/23-09-2016/135692-syria-0/

    Are you saying it's huge in terms of a possible US/Israeli response (which hasn't happened so far), or it's huge in that we now 'know' (no evidence but it wouldn't be a shock) that the bad hats, our lot, are co-ordinating the headchoppers from inside Syrian territory?

    Mind, Pravda's not what it was, has a distinctly clickbaity feel. One link "The danger that sex with machines poses to human health".

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew, @Peripatetic commenter, @snorlax

    Mind, Pravda’s not what it was

    And when you can’t trust Pravda, who can you trust?

  93. @Sean
    @cucksworth

    There is no doubt that Trump is an adventurer, but so was Winston Churchill, who changed parties repeatedly, and was so distrusted by the vast majority of Conservative MP's (even after he became their leader) that they had to be ordered to start applauding him in the House of Commons.

    Replies: @Busby

    Repeatedly? Not my definition of twice. Conservative to Liberal to Conservative.

    He left the Conservative Party in 1904 over tariffs and protectionism. The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor and Churchill lost his seat in the post war extinction.

    He returned to Parliament as an Independent Conservative and was accepted back into the Conservative Party several years later.

    “Anyone can rat. It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Busby


    The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor
     
    The wolf in sheep's clothing gains the upper hand. He's had quite the century for himself.
    , @Sean
    @Busby

    He ordered a futile bombardment on the defences at Dardanelles almost as soon as Turkey entered the war, which directly led to a strengthening of the defences and a failure of the later allied campaign there. He was isolated from and distrusted by the mass of the Conservative party, especially the right, when he opposed the King's abdication. Many believed , not without reason, that he loved war. So there were many reasons why Churchill was regarded by Tories and liberals as a dangerously unstable political adventurer, the worst in British politics.

  94. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    Yes, thank you. This comment is gold border worthy.

    Steve?

    • Agree: Thea
  95. @JohnnyD
    It's the same with foreign policy. LGBT rights, feminism, and amnesty for illegals are more important than reassessing the disastrous "War on Terror." Also, none of Hillary's supporters seem to care that her "Russophobia" could lead to nuclear war.
    Fortunately for Trump, RFK's speech writer seems to get it:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rfk-trump-2016-democratic-party-speechwriter-214270

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Jefferson

    “It’s the same with foreign policy. LGBT rights, feminism, and amnesty for illegals are more important than reassessing the disastrous “War on Terror.” Also, none of Hillary’s supporters seem to care that her “Russophobia” could lead to nuclear war.
    Fortunately for Trump, RFK’s speech writer seems to get it:”

    College Liberal anti-war types come off as extremely hypocritical for wearing I’m With Her pro-Crooked Hildabeast t-shirts.

    They only hate pro-war politicians if they are Republicans. Liberals are who are non hypocrites are voting for Jill Stein, like Susan Sarandon plans to do.

    That is why I can’t stand the Liberal anti-war movement, none of them practice what they preach. They are a lot more anti-Republican Party than they are actually anti-war. Why the hell has Code Pink been silent for the last 8 years? Why were they only extremely vocal when George W. Bush was president? Code Pink stands with Barack Hussein Obama and Crooked Hildabeast.

  96. @fish
    @antipater_1


    I am guessing Crooked Hillary’s speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.
     
    Excellent point....bad enough having to shell out all that money to have greasy pols do your bidding....no point in having to listen to their sanctimonious blathering after you do!

    Replies: @G Pinfold

    MC: Ladies and Gentlemen, Hillary has a sore throat tonight, so whaddaya say we let her medicate at the bar while Jimmy Buffett gives us a few more numbers?

  97. @Triumph104
    This helps to explain why Wells Fargo received such a light fine of $185 million for opening millions of fraudulent checking and credit card accounts after their employees were subjected to Chairman Mao-level sales quotas. Carrie Tolstedt, leader of the unit involved in the fraud, was given a $125 million golden parachute. Her husband retired from Wells Fargo in 2005, so they both know where all the bodies are buried.

    Warren Buffet is Wells Fargo's largest shareholder and a staunch Hillary Clinton supporter.

    A $2.6 billion class action lawsuit has been filed on behalf of the honest employees who were either demoted or fired for not making quotas. There were also numerous labor law violations.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “This helps to explain why Wells Fargo received such a light fine of $185 million for opening millions of fraudulent checking and credit card accounts after their employees were subjected to Chairman Mao-level sales quotas.”

    $185 million dollars is lunch money to Wells Fargo.

  98. @Nico
    It's quite simple. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton this cycle has absolutely no credibility ever complaining again about 1) big banks, or 2) extension or retardation of "democracy." But they will be g

    Replies: @Jefferson

    It’s quite simple. Anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton this cycle has absolutely no credibility ever complaining again about 1) big banks, or 2) extension or retardation of “democracy.”

    Elizabeth Warren who belongs to the Native American tribe Dances With Liars, claims she hates the big banks & Wall Street but will ride or die for Crooked Hildabeast. The two contradict each other.

    If Dances With Liars truly hates big banks and Wall Street, she would be voting for Jill Stein.

  99. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Something bothers me about all these new organizations that are narrowly focussed on ‘women and girls’

    I don’t think women and girls will ever truly advance unless boys and men are advancing in tandem. The sexes don’t and shouldn’t operate independent of each other.

    I’m actually very surprised at how strident Hillary is about some of these feminist ideas. She sounds very radical to me, be she is viewed as the mainstream candidate. A lot of women seem to be lapping this stuff up, unfortunately.

  100. @eah
    OT

    Below you can view a short clip of billionaire virtue signaler Mark Cuban saying that if it's late at nite and he sees "a black kid in a hoodie" (an unlikely scenario for the average billionaire, but ignore that) he crosses the street:

    https://twitter.com/FreeDavidKing/status/779806172677279744

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Mark Cuban is a hate criminal!

  101. @Busby
    @Sean

    Repeatedly? Not my definition of twice. Conservative to Liberal to Conservative.

    He left the Conservative Party in 1904 over tariffs and protectionism. The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor and Churchill lost his seat in the post war extinction.

    He returned to Parliament as an Independent Conservative and was accepted back into the Conservative Party several years later.

    "Anyone can rat. It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat."

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Sean

    The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor

    The wolf in sheep’s clothing gains the upper hand. He’s had quite the century for himself.

  102. @cucksworth
    @MC

    Hilary Clinton is perfect controlled opposition for Wall Street! She wants to raise minimum wage (a little), she wants pensions for working people (in the hands of Goldman), she is in favor of immigration.

    Trump on the other hand has changed political parties...twice (edit five times)! Maybe some of you Unzers are hard core Republicans or glad Trump picked Pence, but this little cuck is hoping Trump switches back to being a Democrat after his election.

    Its weird this doesn't get brought up:



    Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump switched political party affiliations at least five times since the late ‘80s, according to voting records obtained byThe Smoking Gun.

    Mr. Trump, who after years of teasing the idea announced on Tuesday his GOP bid for the White House, may soon have to answer for why he left the party as recently as 2011.

    Mr. Trump registered for the first time in New York as a Republican in July 1987, only to dump the GOP more than a decade later for the Independence Party in October 1999, according to the New York City Board of Elections.

    In August 2001, the billionaire enrolled as a Democrat. Eight years later, he returned to the Republican Party, The Smoking Gun reported.

    After only two years as a registered Republican, Mr. Trump left the party again, and in December 2011 marked a box that indicated, “I do not wish to enroll in a party.”

    Mr. Trump returned to the GOP in April 2012, The Smoking Gun reported.
     

    Replies: @Anon, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Sean, @Thea

    no party allegiance is a feature not a bug

  103. @Peripatetic commenter
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Washington's ambassador to the UN accuses Russia of screwing the pooch and several little girls:

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdd5f09c-831d-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Bugg

    There was a time in which my first instinct — and, I think, mostly pretty well justified — was always to believe my own government over the Soviets/Russians when there were conflicting reports on an incident.

    That time has passed. I can see each government as being as likely as the other to be lying through its teeth in such incidents.

    I have no idea, therefore, what to believe faced with reports like this.

  104. @antipater_1
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    "Yes, the fact that her speeches are almost as closely guarded as the incumbent President’s college transcripts stinks to high heaven."

    I am guessing Crooked Hillary's speeches are guarded because she never actually gave the speeches. No one at Goldman Sachs has any interest in what Clinton has to say.

    So GS was just paying for immediate White House access and Crooked Hillary pocketed the money.

    Replies: @fish, @Harry Baldwin

    But if she never gave the speeches it would be easy to supply fake transcripts that wouldn’t reflect poorly on her. It’s having actually given the speeches that makes it impossible to release fake transcripts, as someone might blow the whistle on her.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Perhaps the "speeches" in question were just a couple of minutes of extemporaneous comments. If so, it might be hard to defend her getting a couple hundred thousand dollars for them.

  105. @George
    Doesn't deplorables, a made up word, sound like something a little girl just learning to speak would say after learning the word adorable? She also tossed in the very rare word generalistic, which she used incorrectly, root word generalist not generalize, to the extent it had a definition. I'm just thinking there is something strange going on in her aging damaged brain, sort of like at the end of 2001 space odyssey when HAL has his brain disassembled and reverts to child talk.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Doesn’t deplorables, a made up word, sound like something a little girl just learning to speak would say after learning the word adorable?…I’m just thinking there is something strange going on in her aging damaged brain, sort of like at the end of 2001 space odyssey when HAL has his brain disassembled and reverts to child talk.

    “Deplorable” is a real word, rest assured. Pluralizing it, is a bit unusual.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deplorable

  106. @Peripatetic commenter
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Washington's ambassador to the UN accuses Russia of screwing the pooch and several little girls:

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdd5f09c-831d-11e6-a29c-6e7d9515ad15

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Bugg

    CBS and “60 Minutes” over the past 2 weeks have once again cast Putin as the Devil and Russia as the Soviet Empire reborn. Report featured a whole bunch of “experts” and military you’ve never heard of. The Hillary campaign wants to make this an issue without discussing her deal with Russia for US uranium. And without honestly saying no US president is going to war with Russia over the Baltics,Ukraine, Crimea and Georgia. It’s none of out business.

  107. OT but has anyone heard anything about this

    http://www.globalresearch.ca

    I stopped reading at “globalresearch.ca.” This is how nuts the guy who runs that site is: he banned me from reading articles on his site, because I called him a fruitcake in comments here. That is one dedicated psycho.

    Total flake. Lies, until someone not a total flake reports it.

    Cultural traditions always have to start somewhere. The idea of liberalism as an atheistic Christian heresy is an interesting one–I remember first reading it in Moldbug but I doubt he came up with it.

    Idea’s as old as the hills. Probably a dozen people here could give you a dozen different cites from the 19th century alone. Several gave several on precisely this subject in a recent thread, in fact.

    Below you can view a short clip of billionaire virtue signaler Mark Cuban saying that if it’s late at nite and he sees “a black kid in a hoodie” (an unlikely scenario for the average billionaire, but ignore that) he crosses the street:

    If so, Illary is handing Trump an easy kill, assuming Cuban shows up at the debates. He should put that quote on an index card and pants Illary and Cuban with it, in front of 100m people.

    He also should have taken Cuban up on his offer of $10m for an interview, announced to the press that he’d be giving it to David Duke at an upcoming press event, then given it to a charity for military families, or whatever.

  108. @Spotted Toad
    @Lot

    I basically agree with this; I don't think it's so much about intelligence as about ability to adapt to a secular society with relatively little social support. A lot of guys who have been "born and bred" for our type of society have trouble with it, it seems unsurprising that Muslim men have particular troubles, given how different their societies are in religiosity and social structure.

    https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/bros-not-bombs/

    In any case, that's why it's so dumb to protest "but he wasn't even religious!" after one of these attacks.

    Replies: @Lot, @Mr. Anon

    “In any case, that’s why it’s so dumb to protest “but he wasn’t even religious!” after one of these attacks.”

    Quite so. Religion is part of culture, even for those who are irreligious. The dominant religion of your culture is the sea in which you grew up swimming in.

  109. @Harry Baldwin
    @antipater_1

    But if she never gave the speeches it would be easy to supply fake transcripts that wouldn't reflect poorly on her. It's having actually given the speeches that makes it impossible to release fake transcripts, as someone might blow the whistle on her.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps the “speeches” in question were just a couple of minutes of extemporaneous comments. If so, it might be hard to defend her getting a couple hundred thousand dollars for them.

  110. @Jean Cocteausten
    @blank-misgivings

    To be clear, I contend that the desired end is consumerism, which is not the same as capitalism.

    Only the free market can support the innovations people want and need. But innovation is risky and math is hard. So instead, corporations do things like hire lawyers and lobbyists to agitate for trade deals that let them sell existing products in new markets. That's how to get to the top of a corporation now, not by leading a project to invent a new medicine. I don't have a fully developed theory as to why this happened but incentives distorted by the merger of capital with government are probably a good place to start looking.

    I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It's a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it's being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Mr. Anon

    “I also hesitate to claim that trading traditions for antibiotics and a full refrigerator is bad. It’s a choice most are happy to make without regrets. But it’s being forced at too fast a rate and in a way that leaves no room for those who want to opt out.”

    In the end, we might end up with neither traditions nor antibiotics nor even a refrigerator, let alone a full one.

  111. If Hillary goes after Trump for being sexist and racist in the debates, Trump should counter by accusing Hillary of being ageist and ideologist. Both of these are bigger problems in today’s age than sexism and racism. Ideological prejudice is particularly bad in today’s liberal hegemony because you only have to deviate marginally from the mainstream liberal orthodoxy to be experience serious occupational consequences.

  112. Anonymous [AKA "Jjzs"] says: • Website

    I am throwing this question especially to twinkle, how are you going to make sure that your eurasian kids are going to marry white instead of some mulatto or Pakistani? Because I have been to vancouver and I see a lot of white women, or white women with vaguely Asian features who are dating Pakistanis and North Africans. I assume the reason you married white is that you have some level of dislike for Asian features and want your children to be buried under a blanket of Europid features right? Now if they marry a Pakistani or a Morocco or a mulatto then that will just be unfortunate right?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Anonymous

    Strange. I have been to Vancouver as well and haven't noticed it, although I must admit to mostly spending my time in Richmond, so maybe can be forgiven for not noticing it.

    However, we did get to the main part of Vancouver a couple of times.

    I think it's mostly the dumb fat white women who go for the mudsharking ... so you could consider it Evolution in Action as Jerry Pournelle once said.

  113. @advancedatheist
    @SFG

    Voltaire and other intellectuals in the Enlightenment praised the trend towards relative religious apathy mediated by trade because they thought it would prevent new wars of religion.

    Replies: @SFG

    Were they wrong?

    Of course, then people just got into ideology instead. Communism was a pretty crappy religion–you don’t even get an afterlife.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @SFG

    Communism was the afterlife, in a material sense. Socialism was what the Lenin said he was creating, communism was after the 'withering of the state'.

    Replies: @Darin

  114. @Almost Missouri
    @Name Withheld

    Possibly, but I think Madoff's target market was people who wanted to believe they were "investing". The Clintons are more your Cash'n'Carry types.

    Not that any of those people (Goldman, Clintons, Madoff) are above what you describe...

    Replies: @Name Withheld

    The list of actual victims of Madoff has never been revealed, which is sort of strange. The only public list is the people who tried to get their money back in court. There are rumors that many European royalty were involved, but declined to participate in the court case.

  115. @Lot
    @Spotted Toad

    Muslims present a double-whammy of cultural and genetic based problems for the West, excluding perhaps Malaysians and elite Indians.

    Recognizing that our power to assimilate Muslims into our existing society is limited- and will become more limited as larger numbers arrive, as the experience of several European countries has shown- does not entail excluding those Muslims who are already here from the circle of American life.
     

    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.

    There are many, many more "Muslims who are already here" who should be excluded "from the circle of American life," in particular illegals and asylum-claiming migrants here on TPS status.

    We ought to give Ethiopia $1.5 billion a year to establish a puppet government in part of Somalia we can deport people to and require to be the home of "refugees" who want to come here.

    Replies: @Nico, @SFG

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off…

    Slam shut the gates, kill this anti-American stuff in the schools, and I really think we could make it. Of course, we’ll never get that either…

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @SFG

    I dunno, for the past 2 years at major High School games I attend, the chants are USA!USA!USA!

    , @Lot
    @SFG


    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off…
     
    I more talking about what Israel and Australia are doing. The Somali refugees can go home, and the puppet state can also enjoy some additional African migrants we are regrettably unable to accept.
    , @Maj. Kong
    @SFG

    That still runs the risk of a Muslim congressman leading the charge to open up the gates again 50 years later.

    We've been here before, we need the explicit advocacy of identity politics. The world is big enough for a POC-only country club.

  116. @Abe

    That summer Mr. Blankfein was among the A-list guests at Mr. Clinton’s 64th birthday bash in the Hamptons.
     
    Charitably you'd think this mixing of business and pleasure was done simply to provide cover for the Clintons' more ethically-challenged transactions (like Godfather agreeing to break the faces of those boys who'd raped the little baker's daughter in exchange for a favor to be named later) but I think a very significant factor in play as well is the Clintons' need to get THEIR OWN FREAKIN' LIVES! Ever since Bill divulged that he'd rather be hanging out with the Beatles than leading the free world, it's obvious there's never been a bigger pair of tacky star-f**ker's occupying the White House. You see, accumulating money and power is not the end-all-be-all for these two; the purpose of all their high-profile phony-friends is- well, to have friends. I'm sure they have enough real friends in their lives to fill up a modest, upper middle class well-to-do-scale birthday bash for Hillary, but nowhere near enough for the several hundred RSVP, A-list celebrity blowout ("Is that Bon Jovi talking to the Dali Lama!") they feel they're entitled to. The cronyism and greed I could deal with; but this pathetic need by these two ugly ducklings to be oh-so-fabulous has always made my skin crawl.

    PS: This is why I admit now to a grudging respect for the Obamas. Their vice of not really liking white people and sticking to a select circle of upper class black families from their hometown of Chicago to socialize with strikes me as pretty reasonable and level-headed. I could more often acknowledge Michelle's pretty strong virtues as a mother, wife, and First Lady if we didn't have to share the same country where she'd grown up resenting white people for her own personal inadequacies and I resented her for her resentment.

    Replies: @Nico, @CJ, @Lagertha

    no more Clintons; no more white trash in the white house…said by an octogenarian women, dog-walker friend of mine.

  117. @SFG
    @Lot

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off...

    Slam shut the gates, kill this anti-American stuff in the schools, and I really think we could make it. Of course, we'll never get that either...

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lot, @Maj. Kong

    I dunno, for the past 2 years at major High School games I attend, the chants are USA!USA!USA!

  118. I don’t find Rush Limbaugh that funny, but he did get a laugh out of me Friday. He asked his listeners how they thought Trump should handle it if Hillary were to have one of her coughing fits during the debate or collapse on stage. A woman caller, who took the question very seriously, said that Trump should respond to a coughing fit by waiting patiently for it to be over, not say anything, not react facially, but just let the audience soak it in. In the event of Hillary collapsing, she said he should take command and tell the moderator to please call 911.

    Rush listened attentively, then asked, “Can you foresee any circumstances in which he would be required to administer mouth-to-mouth resuscitation?”

  119. @Anonymous
    I am throwing this question especially to twinkle, how are you going to make sure that your eurasian kids are going to marry white instead of some mulatto or Pakistani? Because I have been to vancouver and I see a lot of white women, or white women with vaguely Asian features who are dating Pakistanis and North Africans. I assume the reason you married white is that you have some level of dislike for Asian features and want your children to be buried under a blanket of Europid features right? Now if they marry a Pakistani or a Morocco or a mulatto then that will just be unfortunate right?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Strange. I have been to Vancouver as well and haven’t noticed it, although I must admit to mostly spending my time in Richmond, so maybe can be forgiven for not noticing it.

    However, we did get to the main part of Vancouver a couple of times.

    I think it’s mostly the dumb fat white women who go for the mudsharking … so you could consider it Evolution in Action as Jerry Pournelle once said.

  120. @SFG
    @Lot

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off...

    Slam shut the gates, kill this anti-American stuff in the schools, and I really think we could make it. Of course, we'll never get that either...

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lot, @Maj. Kong

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off…

    I more talking about what Israel and Australia are doing. The Somali refugees can go home, and the puppet state can also enjoy some additional African migrants we are regrettably unable to accept.

  121. @SFG
    @advancedatheist

    Were they wrong?

    Of course, then people just got into ideology instead. Communism was a pretty crappy religion--you don't even get an afterlife.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Communism was the afterlife, in a material sense. Socialism was what the Lenin said he was creating, communism was after the ‘withering of the state’.

    • Replies: @Darin
    @Maj. Kong


    Communism was the afterlife, in a material sense.
     
    If you are not a fan of communism, be thankful for the communist's atheism. Objectively seen, atheism was a biggest handicap of the communism. The "godlessness" of communists was the major rallying cry of the anti-communists, and the fact that communists took over half of the world despite this self imposed handicap is sign of incredible strength of communist idea. Religious communism, flying the banner of hammer, sickle and cross would take over the world and last indefinitely.
  122. @SFG
    @Lot

    Deporting people to puppet states? Sounds kind of hard to pull off...

    Slam shut the gates, kill this anti-American stuff in the schools, and I really think we could make it. Of course, we'll never get that either...

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lot, @Maj. Kong

    That still runs the risk of a Muslim congressman leading the charge to open up the gates again 50 years later.

    We’ve been here before, we need the explicit advocacy of identity politics. The world is big enough for a POC-only country club.

  123. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    Thanks for putting this into words. I have a 40 year old 12 foot aluminum rowboat with a four horsepower motor, enough for my purposes. That’s because my purposes do not include impressing anybody. The banks make very little off me.

  124. @SFG
    @Anonymous Nephew

    They took down Lehman, too. You're not wrong overall.

    Goldman always had the best recruiting was what I heard from a friend of mine who knew some people in the industry; supposedly one guy had gone on 39 interviews and not gotten a job. They also had a tradition of getting their people into government positions afterward, which obviously helped. I kind of wonder why Morgan Stanley, say, didn't, when they saw how much Goldman was profiting off it.

    Replies: @artichoke

    The Lehman corporation went through a reorganization process. But when the Barclays corporation took it over, they didn’t fire the Lehman employees.

  125. @Jean Cocteausten
    There is more than just a quid pro quo going on here. Banks used to be conservative but now they're radical. They see that huge profits can be gained by destroying traditional belief systems. Take away the standing a man has based on his place within his cultural/religious traditions, and suddenly he has to compensate by driving around in an Escalade bought on a 72-month loan. Poor people used to get meaning through the church, but now they get it through bling. It's like cultural Marxism, but instead of trying to pave the way for Marxism, they're paving the way for consumerism.

    This is why Western policy supports Muslims when they're in the West (because they weaken the traditional culture) but fights them in their own countries (because there, they are the traditional culture.)

    Replies: @Desiderius, @blank-misgivings, @advancedatheist, @Kylie, @Seneca, @Discard, @stillCARealist

    So what’s better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital? I wonder if there isn’t a sold middle ground that allows us to increase prosperity and still maintain our culture and religion. Seems like the US and Britain achieved that for quite a while.

    “consumerism”. I would like someone to expand on this one. We’re all consumers and we all like nice stuff, however we define that. Being ostentatious isn’t just a modern, Western phenomenon. When I see pictures of the horned Hmong I think, “Jeez people. Dial it back a bit.”

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @stillCARealist

    Agree on the desire for a middle ground.

    I do my share of American-style consuming, so I'm not trying to pass judgment on anyone. In fact, I personally agree with a lot of progressivism's overt agenda - being nice to gays and so on. The problem is the way the agenda is being pushed.

    Another poster provided a great quote from Voltaire about trade breaking down cultural barriers. But what Voltaire was describing was voluntary transactions. Progressivism today is not about voluntary anything. You are not allowed to sell wedding cakes unless you're willing to sell gay wedding cakes. Freedom wasn't working for GM and United Health, so it's going in the trash bin. Your taxes will bail out GM and its unions. You will buy medical insurance that covers birth control pills. Lost your job because someone saw you in a Confederate t-shirt last weekend? Take this disability check and buy yourself a big bin of cheese puffs down at Wal-Mart; you'll feel better in a jiffy.

    Poor whites used to be extremely frugal. Beans and cornbread. It was OK because they could visit the Lord on Sunday. That could not be allowed to continue. They had to be mocked and humiliated. A hole had to be blown through their culture that could only be filled by ATVs and satellite TV.

    There's a full-on Red Guard-style cultural revolution being pushed, but only the "alt right" seems to notice. Today we had screaming student struggle sessions at the U. of Kansas and a BLM flag hoisted alongside the US flag at the U. of Vermont.

    The sad part is, the student radicals think this really about tolerance and diversity. They don't realize that they're the vanguard of Wall Street.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Darin
    @stillCARealist


    So what’s better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital?
     
    Capitalism is the most revolutionary force of history. Always had been, since the beginning.
    If you are serious about defense of tradition, capitalism is your enemy.


    The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

    The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

    The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

    The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

    The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.

    The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.

    The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.
     

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

  126. @Nico
    @Lot


    We are stuck with those who are citizens and most of those who are lawful permanent residents, so yes hoping for a quick and complete assimilation is the best we can do.
     
    Why are we necessarily "stuck" with citizens or lawful permanent residents?

    I am often exasperated with the unwillingness of conservatives to think "outside the box." What are we, afraid of being accused of racism or fascism or Nazism? Yawn. That's the Left's first and last line of offense since 1946 at least.

    I'll put it another way: the swelling masses of nonwhites and nonchristians in Western countries is nothing less than an existential threat to the kind of society I like to live in and hope to raise my children to live in, and possibly to my own life and to the lives of many people I love. I would like for us to start discussing whether there is not a humane way to reduce the aforementioned populations.

    Replies: @IA

    I would like for us to start discussing whether there is not a humane way to reduce the aforementioned populations.

    You’re wasting your breath with this Lot.

  127. @Busby
    @Sean

    Repeatedly? Not my definition of twice. Conservative to Liberal to Conservative.

    He left the Conservative Party in 1904 over tariffs and protectionism. The Liberals were pushed into irrelevance by Labor and Churchill lost his seat in the post war extinction.

    He returned to Parliament as an Independent Conservative and was accepted back into the Conservative Party several years later.

    "Anyone can rat. It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat."

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Sean

    He ordered a futile bombardment on the defences at Dardanelles almost as soon as Turkey entered the war, which directly led to a strengthening of the defences and a failure of the later allied campaign there. He was isolated from and distrusted by the mass of the Conservative party, especially the right, when he opposed the King’s abdication. Many believed , not without reason, that he loved war. So there were many reasons why Churchill was regarded by Tories and liberals as a dangerously unstable political adventurer, the worst in British politics.

  128. @stillCARealist
    @Jean Cocteausten

    So what's better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital? I wonder if there isn't a sold middle ground that allows us to increase prosperity and still maintain our culture and religion. Seems like the US and Britain achieved that for quite a while.

    "consumerism". I would like someone to expand on this one. We're all consumers and we all like nice stuff, however we define that. Being ostentatious isn't just a modern, Western phenomenon. When I see pictures of the horned Hmong I think, "Jeez people. Dial it back a bit."

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Darin

    Agree on the desire for a middle ground.

    I do my share of American-style consuming, so I’m not trying to pass judgment on anyone. In fact, I personally agree with a lot of progressivism’s overt agenda – being nice to gays and so on. The problem is the way the agenda is being pushed.

    Another poster provided a great quote from Voltaire about trade breaking down cultural barriers. But what Voltaire was describing was voluntary transactions. Progressivism today is not about voluntary anything. You are not allowed to sell wedding cakes unless you’re willing to sell gay wedding cakes. Freedom wasn’t working for GM and United Health, so it’s going in the trash bin. Your taxes will bail out GM and its unions. You will buy medical insurance that covers birth control pills. Lost your job because someone saw you in a Confederate t-shirt last weekend? Take this disability check and buy yourself a big bin of cheese puffs down at Wal-Mart; you’ll feel better in a jiffy.

    Poor whites used to be extremely frugal. Beans and cornbread. It was OK because they could visit the Lord on Sunday. That could not be allowed to continue. They had to be mocked and humiliated. A hole had to be blown through their culture that could only be filled by ATVs and satellite TV.

    There’s a full-on Red Guard-style cultural revolution being pushed, but only the “alt right” seems to notice. Today we had screaming student struggle sessions at the U. of Kansas and a BLM flag hoisted alongside the US flag at the U. of Vermont.

    The sad part is, the student radicals think this really about tolerance and diversity. They don’t realize that they’re the vanguard of Wall Street.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jean Cocteausten


    The sad part is, the student radicals think this really about tolerance and diversity. They don’t realize that they’re the vanguard of Wall Street.
     
    Man is a rationalizing, not a rational, animal. Especially young men. It's not tolerance and diversity that gets their blood pumping - it's the sheep's clothing at hand.
  129. A trend in the right direction, but remember any Republican needs to win a state like Pennsylvania by 3-4 points to offset voter fraud in the big cities like Philadelphia. The rural and suburban areas of these states always report their election results first, and then the big city Democrat machine figures out how many votes they need to fabricate to overcome it. He needs to win big enough that even a Democrat would blush to fake enough votes to overcome it.
    In the 1960 election the outer, Republican, precincts of Illinois played a game of chicken and tried to hold back reporting their count for a change until Chicago reported theirs first, but Daley out-waited them and when the rest of the state finally reported in, Shazam, Chicago reported just enough votes to make Kennedy President.

    If fraud is the only thing that puts Illary over the top in Pennsylvania, then she’s toast. Democrat fraud machine is mostly restricted to “safe” blue states, and since we don’t use the popular vote, it inherently limited in its effect. NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles…they don’t get extra EVs for running up the popular vote.

  130. @Jean Cocteausten
    @stillCARealist

    Agree on the desire for a middle ground.

    I do my share of American-style consuming, so I'm not trying to pass judgment on anyone. In fact, I personally agree with a lot of progressivism's overt agenda - being nice to gays and so on. The problem is the way the agenda is being pushed.

    Another poster provided a great quote from Voltaire about trade breaking down cultural barriers. But what Voltaire was describing was voluntary transactions. Progressivism today is not about voluntary anything. You are not allowed to sell wedding cakes unless you're willing to sell gay wedding cakes. Freedom wasn't working for GM and United Health, so it's going in the trash bin. Your taxes will bail out GM and its unions. You will buy medical insurance that covers birth control pills. Lost your job because someone saw you in a Confederate t-shirt last weekend? Take this disability check and buy yourself a big bin of cheese puffs down at Wal-Mart; you'll feel better in a jiffy.

    Poor whites used to be extremely frugal. Beans and cornbread. It was OK because they could visit the Lord on Sunday. That could not be allowed to continue. They had to be mocked and humiliated. A hole had to be blown through their culture that could only be filled by ATVs and satellite TV.

    There's a full-on Red Guard-style cultural revolution being pushed, but only the "alt right" seems to notice. Today we had screaming student struggle sessions at the U. of Kansas and a BLM flag hoisted alongside the US flag at the U. of Vermont.

    The sad part is, the student radicals think this really about tolerance and diversity. They don't realize that they're the vanguard of Wall Street.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The sad part is, the student radicals think this really about tolerance and diversity. They don’t realize that they’re the vanguard of Wall Street.

    Man is a rationalizing, not a rational, animal. Especially young men. It’s not tolerance and diversity that gets their blood pumping – it’s the sheep’s clothing at hand.

  131. @Maj. Kong
    @SFG

    Communism was the afterlife, in a material sense. Socialism was what the Lenin said he was creating, communism was after the 'withering of the state'.

    Replies: @Darin

    Communism was the afterlife, in a material sense.

    If you are not a fan of communism, be thankful for the communist’s atheism. Objectively seen, atheism was a biggest handicap of the communism. The “godlessness” of communists was the major rallying cry of the anti-communists, and the fact that communists took over half of the world despite this self imposed handicap is sign of incredible strength of communist idea. Religious communism, flying the banner of hammer, sickle and cross would take over the world and last indefinitely.

  132. @stillCARealist
    @Jean Cocteausten

    So what's better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital? I wonder if there isn't a sold middle ground that allows us to increase prosperity and still maintain our culture and religion. Seems like the US and Britain achieved that for quite a while.

    "consumerism". I would like someone to expand on this one. We're all consumers and we all like nice stuff, however we define that. Being ostentatious isn't just a modern, Western phenomenon. When I see pictures of the horned Hmong I think, "Jeez people. Dial it back a bit."

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Darin

    So what’s better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital?

    Capitalism is the most revolutionary force of history. Always had been, since the beginning.
    If you are serious about defense of tradition, capitalism is your enemy.

    The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

    The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

    The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

    The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

    The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.

    The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.

    The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @Darin

    No, can't agree that capitalism is the enemy. Capitalism has shown that it can produce happiness through innovation. This recent model where companies stop trying to innovate, give up on organic growth and start seeking profits through raw market growth is an aberration.

    Communism has been far more damaging to freedom than any form of capitalism. Wherever Marxism has been tried, it's destroyed the church, the family, the schools, even science. Russia's strong tradition of mathematics exists because it was the only science that couldn't be politicized. They even got into the minority-worshipping. Did you ever read the old Soviet Life magazine? It was all, "Uzbek farmers celebrate traditional holidays in their colorful ethnic dress while extolling the virtues of the Motherland."

  133. @Darin
    @stillCARealist


    So what’s better, capitalism with no traditions or traditionalism with no capital?
     
    Capitalism is the most revolutionary force of history. Always had been, since the beginning.
    If you are serious about defense of tradition, capitalism is your enemy.


    The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.

    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.

    The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.

    The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.

    The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

    The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.

    The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature.

    The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls, with which it forces the barbarians’ intensely obstinate hatred of foreigners to capitulate. It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e., to become bourgeois themselves. In one word, it creates a world after its own image.
     

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten

    No, can’t agree that capitalism is the enemy. Capitalism has shown that it can produce happiness through innovation. This recent model where companies stop trying to innovate, give up on organic growth and start seeking profits through raw market growth is an aberration.

    Communism has been far more damaging to freedom than any form of capitalism. Wherever Marxism has been tried, it’s destroyed the church, the family, the schools, even science. Russia’s strong tradition of mathematics exists because it was the only science that couldn’t be politicized. They even got into the minority-worshipping. Did you ever read the old Soviet Life magazine? It was all, “Uzbek farmers celebrate traditional holidays in their colorful ethnic dress while extolling the virtues of the Motherland.”

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