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One of the interesting questions in recent years is why when the respectable media decides to go all in on some story about evil white men murdering black baby bodies or raping coeds on broken glass, it so often turns out to be a humiliating factual fiasco, such as the White Hispanic or Ferguson or Haven Monahan. (And then, unsurprisingly, the blood libels lead to Nights of Real Broken Glass.)

You would think that in this giant country there’d be, by the Law of Large Numbers, unembarrassing actual injustices to overemphasize. No doubt there are, but The System isn’t good at focusing upon them.

So, it’s interesting to see how The System works. What we find in one case is a pretty hilariously out-of-touch-with-each-other alliance between an octogenarian Budapest billionaire with an Esperanto surname and a Ph.D. in philosophy and the Undocumented Shoppers.

George Soros and Michael Brown — not actually on the same wavelength.

From The Root:

Report: George Soros Spent $33,000,000 to Bankroll Ferguson Protests

Not Michael Brown

George Soros, the liberal billionaire, has donated $33 million to social justice organizations to help move Ferguson, Mo., into the national spotlight.

BY: LYNETTE HOLLOWAY
Posted: Jan. 18 2015 11:35 AM

Liberal billionaire George Soros has donated $33 million to social justice groups in recent months in an effort to draw attention to police violence in the black community in cities like Ferguson, Mo., and others like it, according to the Daily Mail, citing a report at the Washington Times.

Not George Soros

Ferguson ignited a national debate about police violence in August after then-police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Michael Brown, 18, who was black and unarmed.

The donations came to light after the Washington Times conducted an analysis of the latest tax filings by Soros’s Open Society Foundations, the report says. The analysis found that the private foundation made donations to different groups that have weighed in on the police violence and institutional racism, including organizers from professional groups in Washington, D.C., and New York, who were bussed to Ferguson to coordinate messaging and lobby to news media to cover events using the billionaire’s funding, the report says.

The money reportedly helped boost the number of protesters in the community over a period of months by bringing in outside activists, the report charges. And think tanks reportedly used their own online news sites to cover the civil unrest, and link it to the police killings of Eric Garner in Staten Island, N.Y., and Tamir Rice, 12, in Cleveland, Ohio, the Daily Mail writes.

The director of Soros’s fund said that they have no direct control over the groups they give to, and said they are all trying to improve accountability, the report says.

“Helping groups combine policy, research [and] data collection with community organizing feels very much the way our society becomes more accountable,” he told the Times. “The incidents, whether in Staten Island, Cleveland or Ferguson, were spontaneous protests—we don’t have the ability to control or dictate what others say or choose to say.”

But $33 million does go some distance toward keeping a mob in the streets of Ferguson from August through the second round of pogroms in November.

Soros has deep pockets: $20 billion. It might be interesting for attorneys representing looted Ferguson shopkeepers and the late Zemir Begic to depose Soros on questions such as exactly when he realized Michael Brown wasn’t the innocent black baby body that the organizations he was funding were purporting (the second half of August is my guess).

Soros played a dangerous game, and he should have to compensate the people who were hurt by his reckless promotion of a blood libel. There was already a pogrom in August in Ferguson, so it was hardly surprising that there were more pogroms in November after months of Soros-funded lying.

I suspect Soros is going to write some big checks in return for promises never to speak about these out of court settlements.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He’s also trying to help bankroll the new government in Ukraine:

    http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/01/13/ukrainian-aid-vs-russian-sanctions-george-soros-arrives-in-kiev/

    George Soros arrived in Kiev in an effort to make his plan to provide international aid to the embattled Ukraine a reality, as reported by UA Today. Soros wrote in the New York Review of books that the international community should emphasize aid to the debt-laden Ukraine as much as sanctions against Russia. Soros believes that this two-pronged approach should enhance stability in Europe, because if the Ukraine falls, Europe may follow.

    “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia,” said Soros, a Hungarian born Holocaust survivor, “Assisting the Ukraine should be seen as a defense expenditure by the European countries.”

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    There's other massive fortunes to consider with respect to the Ukraine crisis, e.g.:

    Soros' net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin's net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress -- I'm guessing she's gonna ask for extra-extra fries with her Whopper, which has got to add up. So, it's anyone's guess as where that'll end.

    And putting away any money in that part of the world without having a large chunk go into some mobster's (or equivalently, some politician's) pocket is going to be a challenge.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Bill

  2. Liberal billionaire George Soros

    The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as “far right”? Can’t it describe George Soros as “far left”? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at “liberal”?

    On NPR’s “On the Media,” one of the hosts described Soros as “the billionaire with a heart of gold.” (Wasn’t that Ernst Stavro Goldfinger in Shirley Bassey’s song?)

    • Replies: @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    "The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as “far right”? Can’t it describe George Soros as “far left”? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at “liberal”?"

    Whenever and wherever you can, refer to any liberal as a "far left extremist". The far left doesn't grab people, but nobody in tv land likes extremists.

    Make sure he sounds nuts:

    "Ultra-left wing extremist Soros arrived in Kiev and delivered an unhinged rant about aid to Ukraine. As is sadly predictable from such a vile gutter creature, he issued a screed containing all the timeworn and discredited tropes that have been used by haters for generations to demonize Russia".

    Or something like that. Probably could write a program/lexer to spit this stuff out. Sounds silly writing it as an educated, enlightened person, but it has been shown to work where reason and discourse have failed.

    Anyhow, always write in this vein, charity begins at home, or something like that.

    , @Hunsdon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Ernst Stavro was Blofeld. Auric was Goldfinger. "His heart is cold, he loves only gold!"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Harry Baldwin

    You got your Goldfinger up your Bloefeld.

    Sorry, could not help it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auric_Goldfinger
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld (Dr Evil?)

    Although connecting Soros with any number of Bond villains is entirely appropriate.

  3. If only Soros (and others like him) were into the NFL (or even the EPL), we likely wouldn’t even have these issues.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @DCThrowback

    There are 32 NFL teams.

    There are 2 major political parties.

    Far more exclusivity from owning a political party, than a sports team. Its good to be the King.

  4. Yo!!! Its all about gettin paid! Might be by the Gov’t. Might be by some billionaire.

  5. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve seen reports to the effect that Soros has picked some of the Kiev junta’s members. (They call themselves ministers, but knowing what they do, I don’t want to call them that). Lots of Georgians. Why Georgians? Soros organized the coup that put Saakashvili in power in Georgia years ago, so he knows a lot of Georgian politicians.

    Soros is basically the Jacob Schiff of our days.

    • Replies: @Jim
    @anon

    Ukraine for the Georgians!

  6. “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia,” said Soros,

    Given that this post is about Soros’ bankrolling of the Ferguson pogroms, the fact that he is also anti-Russian makes me believe the paleos are on right side of this issue.

  7. @DCThrowback
    If only Soros (and others like him) were into the NFL (or even the EPL), we likely wouldn't even have these issues.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    There are 32 NFL teams.

    There are 2 major political parties.

    Far more exclusivity from owning a political party, than a sports team. Its good to be the King.

  8. His real name is not “Soros”…

    All The World’s A Stage, right? Anyone working in the intelligence community will tell you.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Suede Handle

    Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz.

    , @Anonymous
    @Suede Handle

    Mr. Schwartz is living up to his name

  9. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”

    Why does The Wizard of Oz always stay so freakin’ relevant?

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @whorefinder

    Because it fits, Soros is a puppet master by virtue of his extreme wealth and his hatred of the U.S. What makes him dangerous is that he's not a builder like old man Ford or any of the industrial titans of the last century. He's a schemer,user, a nation wrecker.

    He leaves discord and violence where ever he goes like some devil.

    The fact he now bankrolls a bunch of fanatical race baiters to aggravate blacks into rioting is worrisome. It's smart though because it gives him cover so he doesn't draw the law down on him. He simply hires a bunch of fight promoters so to speak to gin up the anger among the locals and set them off against one another. I would shudder to think what he could do if he poured a half billion dollars to the right groups.

    If there is someone capable of starting a race war, it's him.

  10. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    Liberal billionaire George Soros

    The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as "far right"? Can't it describe George Soros as "far left"? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at "liberal"?

    On NPR's "On the Media," one of the hosts described Soros as "the billionaire with a heart of gold." (Wasn't that Ernst Stavro Goldfinger in Shirley Bassey's song?)

    Replies: @anon, @Hunsdon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    “The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as “far right”? Can’t it describe George Soros as “far left”? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at “liberal”?”

    Whenever and wherever you can, refer to any liberal as a “far left extremist”. The far left doesn’t grab people, but nobody in tv land likes extremists.

    Make sure he sounds nuts:

    “Ultra-left wing extremist Soros arrived in Kiev and delivered an unhinged rant about aid to Ukraine. As is sadly predictable from such a vile gutter creature, he issued a screed containing all the timeworn and discredited tropes that have been used by haters for generations to demonize Russia”.

    Or something like that. Probably could write a program/lexer to spit this stuff out. Sounds silly writing it as an educated, enlightened person, but it has been shown to work where reason and discourse have failed.

    Anyhow, always write in this vein, charity begins at home, or something like that.

  11. anon • Disclaimer says:

    One of the consequences of packing the junta with Georgians and other non-Ukranians whom Soros and Nuland happened to know and trust produced a humorous situation.

    The junta hates the Russian language, which most of the citizens of the Ukraine speak at home. All government business has to be done in Ukrainian, all movies have to be dubbed or subtitled into Ukrainian, all street signs, even in 100% Russian-speaking cities like Odessa have to be in Ukrainian. Ukrainian is the only state language of the Ukraine (compare with the situation in Canada, Belgium and other multi-lingual countries).

    Most of the junta’s members, including the president and the prime minuster, know Russian better than Ukrainian. But at least they grew up in the Ukraine. And being professional Ukrainian politicians they worked on their Ukrainian in adulthood and can now speak it in official contexts. But the new cabinet members, the ones who are rumored to have been picked by Soros, grew up in Georgia, Lithuania and other countries. They speak Russian, the lingua franca of the former USSR, but not Ukrainian.

    So the Russian-speaking world was treated to the very funny spectacle of the epically Russophobic junta having to conduct its cabinet meetings IN RUSSIAN. Because the Georgian, etc. members don’t understand Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    @anon

    You know they speak Russian because Russians were similarly repressive and Russia is completely hypocritical when it criticizes repressing languages. It's standard for nationalist projects to be championed by nationalists who speak their own language as a second language because nationalist projects usually get started to build separation from a more powerful nation that repressed your folk and then got weakened.

    It's also completely normal to base a national identity on how you pronounce some particular sound and then obsess over using the correct way in public while using the enemy way when you actually relax in private, see Scandinavia, millions of Slavistans etc. This is all just completely standard European history and suggests that Ukrainians have the potential to become a real European people with all the inimitably silly hallmarks of true Europeans.

    There also never was a nationalist project that wasn't supported by at least a conspiracy of outsiders who wanted to weaken someone else. One man's nefarious Jewish plotter is another man's philanthropist, the Rothschilds lifting their usual boycotts of Russia to bankroll Finns back in the day did us a lot of good. Funny how history tends to repeat in similar patterns, isn't it? I imagine that, unlike good Freiherr, George Soros doesn't even expect to ever see the loans repaid.

    , @Jack D
    @anon

    Probably more because they can't speak it rather than that they can't understand it. Written Ukrainian is about 85% intelligible to a Russian. Spoken is less - just as written Portuguese is not that hard for a Spaniard to read but the spoken language is harder to understand. But once you learn all the regular transformations (e.g. Russian "g" sound is pronounced as an "h" sound in Ukrainian) and get the hang of it, it's not hard to make your oral comprehension close to your written. Making your tongue go that way is harder.

  12. Gas is lo and the gas station got blown sky hi. Maybe they can use the dough to build new filling stations and muffler shops. don’t build any more malls though. That all went to pot, which is where lots of the dough will end up. Ferguson Up In Smoke. If you are going to throw away lots of money you might as well do it there. People can open check cashing stores and sell lottery chances. Lawyers can grab most of it to try clearing unending court backlog. It would be cheaper to abandon it.

  13. Well, if I see it in the Root I know it must be legit. I saw that in the Daily Mail, and they cited the Washington Times, which I sometimes wonder about. I’ve seen very good journalism there, but expect one day they will get a real scoop and then be shut down somehow due to the fact they are Moonies.

    So: Sun Myung Moon — British Tabloid — The Root (started by Jacob Weisberg)

    Info laundering? Narrative cleansing?

    But anyway, great story. Very funny!

  14. look at dorks

  15. I wonder if this means if someone is hurt or injured in one of these riots, can they sue George Soros?
    One reason Saul Alinsky’s tactics are successful is that they are inherently rent seeking in nature. They don’t work against liberals and poor people in general because you cannot get blood out of a turnip. Wealthy individuals and corporations simply do a cost benefit analysis and try to buy their way out. But if the shake down artist stands something to lose, they might just look for some other sucker.

  16. US government in on action too.

    US spent 5 billion to destabilize Ukraine.

  17. I don’t know why they couldn’t make money from this.

    Manhattan hostesses could announce a little surprise for their guests, and then have a few of those stylish Blackbrunch types come in and scream ‘Akai Gurley…etc’

    Then the hostess could offer them some leftover canapés from the kitchen. You learn a lot from old Tom Wolfe books.

  18. @Anonymous
    He's also trying to help bankroll the new government in Ukraine:

    http://jewishbusinessnews.com/2015/01/13/ukrainian-aid-vs-russian-sanctions-george-soros-arrives-in-kiev/

    George Soros arrived in Kiev in an effort to make his plan to provide international aid to the embattled Ukraine a reality, as reported by UA Today. Soros wrote in the New York Review of books that the international community should emphasize aid to the debt-laden Ukraine as much as sanctions against Russia. Soros believes that this two-pronged approach should enhance stability in Europe, because if the Ukraine falls, Europe may follow.

    “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia,” said Soros, a Hungarian born Holocaust survivor, “Assisting the Ukraine should be seen as a defense expenditure by the European countries.”
     

    Replies: @HA

    There’s other massive fortunes to consider with respect to the Ukraine crisis, e.g.:

    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress — I’m guessing she’s gonna ask for extra-extra fries with her Whopper, which has got to add up. So, it’s anyone’s guess as where that’ll end.

    And putting away any money in that part of the world without having a large chunk go into some mobster’s (or equivalently, some politician’s) pocket is going to be a challenge.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @HA


    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)
     
    First, what is the veracity of the claim that Putin has $40 billion? Is it verified information, or is it more along the lines of the 'yellow cake Niger memo' and ' Saddam was behind 9-11' nonsense? Who provided this information? Was it a legitimate source, or is it from an Ahmed Chalabi/Masha Gessen type exile?

    Second, comparing Putin's wealth to Soros' is not really apt, unless of course, you can find Putin's fingerprints on funding the Ferguson pogroms or other such activities on American soil. If the contents of this post are indeed true, and Soros' foundation funded the Ferguson pogroms, then this represents the first time the US has been hit by the hand of the NGOs that so many other nations have complained about.

    Think about this. The mass opinion of the USA was clearly in favor of the cop in Ferguson, especially after the video was released showing the clerk being bullied. Yet this protest was able to fester for over 3 months and culminated in a riot that destroyed private property and caused the deaths of several innocents, including the execution of the NYC cops. Even though the vast majority of Americans did not agree with this, the picture presented to the world was that America was in rebellion mode. The one-two punch of the media and the Ferguson protesters made it appear there was a mass, spontaneous, popular uprising against the US government.

    And now that it appears that Soros funded the Ferguson protests, I am curious to see if any coordination also took place between the Soros NGO and the media itself. What this has shown to anyone who wants to see is that it apparently isn't that hard to generate a fake rebellion so long as one has the funding for the stage army and the media to direct and promote it. It also makes me wonder about those 'Color" revolutions that appeared so well-made for TV. Where they really legitimate expressions by the majority of the those countries, or where they more akin to the Ferguson pogroms? And while we are on the 'Color" revolutions, what color would the Soros gang have designated for Ferguson?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Bill
    @HA


    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)
     
    Why stop there? As long as we are just making up numbers, let's say his net worth is a trillion dollars.

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress
     
    Wait, he isn't gay any more?

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

  19. I can’t figure Soros angle here. Blacks don’t vote in midterms, or much when Obama is not on the ballot. Why gin up a mob when it just generates counter votes against reduced your own votes?

    Maybe Soros is long in exurban homebuilders? Guy is a convicted currency manipulator so that’s how operates. And where’s the miney in Ukraine?

    …..

    Bingo. Potash. Ukraine has most of it and before all this started Putin and the deposed President werearguing over some joint venture on potash designed to drive other producers from market then jack up prices.

    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    • Replies: @leftist conservative
    @Whiskey


    Whiskey quoted someone else and then wrote:
    I can’t figure Soros angle here. Blacks don’t vote in midterms, or much when Obama is not on the ballot. Why gin up a mob when it just generates counter votes against reduced your own votes?

    Maybe Soros is long in exurban homebuilders? Guy is a convicted currency manipulator so that’s how operates. And where’s the miney in Ukraine?

    …..

    Bingo. Potash. Ukraine has most of it and before all this started Putin and the deposed President werearguing over some joint venture on potash designed to drive other producers from market then jack up prices.

    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?
     

    There are several reasons why rich people and corporations have funded multiculturalism for decades now.

    1. Labor costs. Rich people and corporations buy labor. You and I sell labor. When the supply of labor grows faster than the demand for labor, wages are depressed. That makes the rich richer. How does multiculturalism/PC/affirmative action/racial integration, et al., increase the supply of labor? When nonwhites agitate for their rights, riot, burn, etc, they gain admission to jobs, affirmative action, etc. When blacks riot, the media slants these riots so as to create white guilt in white minds. They often put the rioters on a pedestal. You may have noticed this recently! This allows the corporations to push more nonwhites into the workforce. More labor supply means wages are depressed. More money in the wallets of rich people and corporations. Less in ours. And, not coincidentally, more money in media wallets because corporate profits rise, allowing more money spent on media advertising.

    2. Multiculturalism means more nonwhites are consumers, shopping in the malls etc. This increases the supply of consumers. More money in rich wallets and in the coffers of corporations.

    3. Multiculturalism/PC/affirmative action/racial integration, et al., means that nonwhites and whites mix in the neighborhoods. That means the voters in political districts are now more diverse, more heterogeneous, less homogeneous. A mixed electorate means a more diffused will of the electorate. The electorate now shares fewer common interests. In the past, when nonwhites either were not allowed to vote, or else lived in their own neighborhoods and had their own politicians that were elected from nonwhite districts, the voters in the political districts were more homogeneous, less heterogeneous, less diverse, at least within the political districts. A more homogeneous electorate shares more common interests, has a more unified and coherent expressed will. Thus, a homogeneous
    electorate will have better control over its elected representatives, and thus have better control over their own government. When the people have more control, the plutocrats and corporations have less control. They don't like that! They like it when they have more control of the government. It's the old 'divide et impera' maxim. You divide by combining races into districts. More racial integration means more corporate/plutocrat control of the government. Been happening for many decades now...

    And I guarantee that these riots were funded by many nonprofits fed by many corporations and rich people. Soros was not the only one.

    So it is all about money. Fancy that being the case in this socialist utopia called America. Who would have thought...

    , @Bill P
    @Whiskey


    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    -whiskey
     
    He's been investing in real estate funds. There's a push to drive whites back into cities where they can be charged exorbitant rent by giant corporate property owners. Getting blacks to riot in the cities shoved whites out 40 years ago, so he probably figures getting blacks to riot in the burbs will drive them back in. In concert with the riots, smaller cities and suburbs are being sued for "disparate impact" more than ever, to force them to affirmatively seek black section 8 renters.

    George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

  20. Soros appears to still be a player on the world stage at 84. Evil, his chosen profession, must be a pretty tough business. Which made me think: what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?"

    I just got back from "American Sniper." Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    Replies: @Kylie, @donut, @anon, @Matra

  21. They can make money from this.

    Manhattan hostesses will pay good money to announce a ‘surprise’ during brunch, then the BlackBrunch NYC crew can come in and chant ‘Akai Gurley, etc…’

    Then the hostess can show the to the leftover canapés in the kitchen. You can learn a lot from old Tom Wolfe books.

  22. @whorefinder
    "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

    Why does The Wizard of Oz always stay so freakin' relevant?

    Replies: @rod1963

    Because it fits, Soros is a puppet master by virtue of his extreme wealth and his hatred of the U.S. What makes him dangerous is that he’s not a builder like old man Ford or any of the industrial titans of the last century. He’s a schemer,user, a nation wrecker.

    He leaves discord and violence where ever he goes like some devil.

    The fact he now bankrolls a bunch of fanatical race baiters to aggravate blacks into rioting is worrisome. It’s smart though because it gives him cover so he doesn’t draw the law down on him. He simply hires a bunch of fight promoters so to speak to gin up the anger among the locals and set them off against one another. I would shudder to think what he could do if he poured a half billion dollars to the right groups.

    If there is someone capable of starting a race war, it’s him.

  23. “Harry Baldwin says:

    Liberal billionaire George Soros

    The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as “far right”? Can’t it describe George Soros as “far left”? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at “liberal”?

    By-in-large, you are right. A few ostensibly right-wing journals like The National Review and the Weekly Standard (which ought to be considered part of the MSM) will use the term far-left. However, most of the MSM would never characterize anybody as “far left”, not even Che Guevara.

    “On NPR’s “On the Media,” one of the hosts described Soros as “the billionaire with a heart of gold.””

    I guess that sounds better than “the rapacious currency speculator with a heart of gold”.


  24. if the Ukraine falls, Europe may follow.

    “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia”

    K. So, then Europe needs to contemplate the possibility of conducting a pre-emptive invasion to liberate the oppressed Ukrainians?

  25. “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia”

    What were his opinions when Russia it was USSR and had a bunch of stuff in E. Germany.

    Seven Days to the River Rhine

    Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia

  26. @anon
    Soros appears to still be a player on the world stage at 84. Evil, his chosen profession, must be a pretty tough business. Which made me think: what's the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?”

    I just got back from “American Sniper.” Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Steve Sailer

    Richard Strauss composed three of his "Four Last Songs" after he turned 84. The fourth he composed the month before his 84th birthday.

    , @donut
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe you've heard of this guy ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    Replies: @Francis

    , @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Charlie Munger is 90

    , @Matra
    @Steve Sailer

    Bernie Ecclestone is 84 and three months. He runs the world's second most popular sport (although he's been busy undermining its popularity for at least a decade). When it comes to wheeler dealers this guy is in a class of his own. It's extraordinary that he's managed to bleed corporations and governments of money for decades and often screw them over yet always come out on top. It's just as extraordinary that he's managed to stay out of jail, but then billionaires always seem to land on their feet.

  27. “HA says:

    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)”

    What is that quote that Steve has sometimes quoted (I think it was a Mexican politician who said it):

    “A politician who is poor is a poor politician.”

    Whether it is 1 billion or 40 billion, evidently Putin is a not a poor politician.

    How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?"

    Can't say I'm a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars. Putin, on the other hand, has been a career bureaucrat since leaving the KGB -- what did he ever manufacture?

    So try a little harder. And if you want to stop politicians like Poroshenko from getting even richer, cheering on your main man Putin is hardly the way forward.

    “A politician who is poor is a poor politician.”

    There's rich, and then there's 40 billion dollars rich -- see the difference? And Mubarak was pretty rich, too, as I recall. Wonder if there's a lesson to be learned there? Ech, probably not. Some people never learn.

    Replies: @Bill

  28. oh, so fakeLeftism is being funded by plutocrats via nonprofit foundations.

    Hmm…now, who is it who has been saying that on the internet for years now? Hmmm….can’t quite think of who that might be….hmmm…..

    And course there is no chance whatsoever that such funding might happen because it makes plutocrats richer, and that multiculturalism/fakeLeftism is a tool to make the rich richer.

    Plutocrats never act in their own interests. That has already been established.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @leftist conservative

    Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs.

    Plutocrat leftists set up and funded the Frankfurt school and stocked it with their fellow travelers.

    Replies: @Gringo

  29. ““A politician who is poor is a poor politician.”

    Any politician who does not have a personal net worth of at least $1 million dollars is an extremely pathetic politician.

  30. @Whiskey
    I can't figure Soros angle here. Blacks don't vote in midterms, or much when Obama is not on the ballot. Why gin up a mob when it just generates counter votes against reduced your own votes?

    Maybe Soros is long in exurban homebuilders? Guy is a convicted currency manipulator so that's how operates. And where's the miney in Ukraine?


    .....

    Bingo. Potash. Ukraine has most of it and before all this started Putin and the deposed President werearguing over some joint venture on potash designed to drive other producers from market then jack up prices.

    Enter Soros. So what's his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    Replies: @leftist conservative, @Bill P

    Whiskey quoted someone else and then wrote:
    I can’t figure Soros angle here. Blacks don’t vote in midterms, or much when Obama is not on the ballot. Why gin up a mob when it just generates counter votes against reduced your own votes?

    Maybe Soros is long in exurban homebuilders? Guy is a convicted currency manipulator so that’s how operates. And where’s the miney in Ukraine?

    …..

    Bingo. Potash. Ukraine has most of it and before all this started Putin and the deposed President werearguing over some joint venture on potash designed to drive other producers from market then jack up prices.

    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    There are several reasons why rich people and corporations have funded multiculturalism for decades now.

    1. Labor costs. Rich people and corporations buy labor. You and I sell labor. When the supply of labor grows faster than the demand for labor, wages are depressed. That makes the rich richer. How does multiculturalism/PC/affirmative action/racial integration, et al., increase the supply of labor? When nonwhites agitate for their rights, riot, burn, etc, they gain admission to jobs, affirmative action, etc. When blacks riot, the media slants these riots so as to create white guilt in white minds. They often put the rioters on a pedestal. You may have noticed this recently! This allows the corporations to push more nonwhites into the workforce. More labor supply means wages are depressed. More money in the wallets of rich people and corporations. Less in ours. And, not coincidentally, more money in media wallets because corporate profits rise, allowing more money spent on media advertising.

    2. Multiculturalism means more nonwhites are consumers, shopping in the malls etc. This increases the supply of consumers. More money in rich wallets and in the coffers of corporations.

    3. Multiculturalism/PC/affirmative action/racial integration, et al., means that nonwhites and whites mix in the neighborhoods. That means the voters in political districts are now more diverse, more heterogeneous, less homogeneous. A mixed electorate means a more diffused will of the electorate. The electorate now shares fewer common interests. In the past, when nonwhites either were not allowed to vote, or else lived in their own neighborhoods and had their own politicians that were elected from nonwhite districts, the voters in the political districts were more homogeneous, less heterogeneous, less diverse, at least within the political districts. A more homogeneous electorate shares more common interests, has a more unified and coherent expressed will. Thus, a homogeneous
    electorate will have better control over its elected representatives, and thus have better control over their own government. When the people have more control, the plutocrats and corporations have less control. They don’t like that! They like it when they have more control of the government. It’s the old ‘divide et impera’ maxim. You divide by combining races into districts. More racial integration means more corporate/plutocrat control of the government. Been happening for many decades now…

    And I guarantee that these riots were funded by many nonprofits fed by many corporations and rich people. Soros was not the only one.

    So it is all about money. Fancy that being the case in this socialist utopia called America. Who would have thought…

  31. I knew from day one that the Ferguson/Black Lives Matter movement was AstroTurf and not organic. How did all of those protestors who did not work for over 3 months get the money to feed and shelter themselves the entire time ? Since the majority of the protestors in Ferguson were Black, I doubt most of them had rainy day funds in their savings account where they could financially afford to not work for over 3 months. Most Black people are horrible at saving money because of their poor impulse control and need for instant gratification. And most of the protestors at Ferguson were not spoiled rich kids born with a silver spoon where they can afford to go long periods of time without working because their rich parents will just pick up the tab for 3 over 3 months of food and motel/hotel stay in Ferguson.

  32. “So it is all about money. Fancy that being the case in this socialist utopia called America. Who would have thought…”

    Crony capitalism thrives even in socialist and communist countries. Kim Jung Un for example has a personal net worth of $5 billion dollars. The left wing socialist/communist elites do not practice what they preach. Capitalism for me but not for thee.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson

    Well, "fakeLeftism" is redundant, isn't it? People power is always Party power.

    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

    Replies: @leftist conservative

  33. @Whiskey
    I can't figure Soros angle here. Blacks don't vote in midterms, or much when Obama is not on the ballot. Why gin up a mob when it just generates counter votes against reduced your own votes?

    Maybe Soros is long in exurban homebuilders? Guy is a convicted currency manipulator so that's how operates. And where's the miney in Ukraine?


    .....

    Bingo. Potash. Ukraine has most of it and before all this started Putin and the deposed President werearguing over some joint venture on potash designed to drive other producers from market then jack up prices.

    Enter Soros. So what's his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    Replies: @leftist conservative, @Bill P

    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    -whiskey

    He’s been investing in real estate funds. There’s a push to drive whites back into cities where they can be charged exorbitant rent by giant corporate property owners. Getting blacks to riot in the cities shoved whites out 40 years ago, so he probably figures getting blacks to riot in the burbs will drive them back in. In concert with the riots, smaller cities and suburbs are being sued for “disparate impact” more than ever, to force them to affirmatively seek black section 8 renters.

    George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Bill P

    Close, but no cigar. Liberals actually like cities and want to live in them, and convince themselves they're environmentally friendly (which is true--ugly as New York is, 8 million suburbanites would do a lot more damage) and good for diversity (depends which ones) and forget about the rampant inequality (New York again), etc.

    I just think Soros wanted the Democrats to win, as Steve has suggested. Didn't work, but it's worth a shot. He could be trying to make some money off a trend, of course. But whites have been moving back to cities for a while. Once they're no longer dangerous, there are plenty of advantages, like not having to drive everywhere. I did notice the girls got a lot fatter when I moved to suburbia.

    Far-left and far-right: Generally, you never hear anyone who considers themselves on one side use their own 'far' term--which proves the media considers themselves on the left. I've never heard the National Review describe anyone as 'far-right', for example (and I used to read it back in the eighties as a kid).

    Replies: @Bill P, @Dahlia

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P

    Isn't this called "blockbusting", and against federal law?

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Former Darfur
    @Bill P

    "George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days."

    If so, George is playing with a live grenade. As any WN of revolutionary bent will tell you, making whites actually deal with blacks personally is their dream recruiting tool. A white suburbanite with a boat and a back yard to barbecue in is the last guy that is going to listen to a Pierce or a Covington. He has too much to lose. A white family that has to live around underclass blacks and, ahem, "Hispanics" (er, was Queen Isabella an Aztec?) on a daily basis-or, maybe even worse,credibly fear having to do so in the immediate future-is going to be easy to recruit to pro-white 'in the system' politics at the very least and very possibly want to get involved in Something Worse.

  34. Fund riots, white people leave, real estate prices plunge, buy up dirt cheap properties, slumlord

  35. I had wondered how so many college-aged protesters could have afforded St. Louis-area hotel rooms/Air BnB arrangements, bus-fair, and two-weeks food money. The media didn’t seem to ask that question though.

  36. I guess they’ve figured out that if you want to kill off nationalism you have to kill off nations. That’s what we’ve been seeing for the past 60 years and people like Soros have used their brass in pocket, bottle, invective to make you notice(I’ll stop) how much you all suck. Feeling demoralized?

  37. @Bill P
    @Whiskey


    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    -whiskey
     
    He's been investing in real estate funds. There's a push to drive whites back into cities where they can be charged exorbitant rent by giant corporate property owners. Getting blacks to riot in the cities shoved whites out 40 years ago, so he probably figures getting blacks to riot in the burbs will drive them back in. In concert with the riots, smaller cities and suburbs are being sued for "disparate impact" more than ever, to force them to affirmatively seek black section 8 renters.

    George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    Close, but no cigar. Liberals actually like cities and want to live in them, and convince themselves they’re environmentally friendly (which is true–ugly as New York is, 8 million suburbanites would do a lot more damage) and good for diversity (depends which ones) and forget about the rampant inequality (New York again), etc.

    I just think Soros wanted the Democrats to win, as Steve has suggested. Didn’t work, but it’s worth a shot. He could be trying to make some money off a trend, of course. But whites have been moving back to cities for a while. Once they’re no longer dangerous, there are plenty of advantages, like not having to drive everywhere. I did notice the girls got a lot fatter when I moved to suburbia.

    Far-left and far-right: Generally, you never hear anyone who considers themselves on one side use their own ‘far’ term–which proves the media considers themselves on the left. I’ve never heard the National Review describe anyone as ‘far-right’, for example (and I used to read it back in the eighties as a kid).

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @SFG

    If your girls are too fat, you're probably too close to the city.

    Lots of tall thin blondes around my new home, which is a good distance from the nearest metro area. Seems I live next to one of the most Dutch communities in the US, and it really shows.

    I feel sorry for the poor saps in San Francisco and Seattle fighting over tattooed skanks in bars. Up here you see a beautiful girl and she's actually pleasant and friendly with an amazing lack of entitlement.

    As for Soros, I really think he's trying to shove blacks out into the smaller communities. His involvement in these HUD lawsuits is just too much for a coincidence. He likes to fix his bets, and he just made a big one -- 500 million euros in Santander, which does a lot of urban real estate here in the US through the former Sovereign Bank.

    , @Dahlia
    @SFG

    This is probably correct: he simply wanted Democrats to win the midterms. Steve was always guessing the Democrats pushed and exploited it for that reason, but I thought that wasn't quite right. A motivated billionaire exploiting the majority of Democrats' deeply held fears on the other hand...

    We had something very similar done in Florida to gin up Democratic turnout here. Given that this is Florida, it was hilarious: medical marijuana being pushed by a slightly more upscale "Better Call Saul" in the person of John Morgan. Funnier, it probably would have passed if not for this additional burden. Best of all, the respectable full story on this charade comes from Roger Stone.
    -------------
    I'm guessing the disastrous I-93 protest received no Soros funds or professional planning.... The only authentic protest?!
    -------------
    Why this one and not others... Perhaps Benjamin Crump, whose profile rose with Trayvon and Zimmerman, found Ferguson and Brown to be a good battle but now had Soros in his network? It's no longer just Jesse and Al. But they're only a few guys and they have to choose their battles. Why do Al and Benjamin choose how they do? Why are they trusted? Jesse seems not nearly so foolish.

  38. He isn’t pro Israel, so it’s not ethnically motivated. Soros is just playing by the rules of the ethnic majority in the country he is in, and doing what brings prestige in Western society: helping victims of AIDS and victims of white society . The white elite are comfortable attacking whites as such. The French attacks have turned into a debate about anti Semitism, because the majority are not comfortable talking about whites as such as victims. Does anyone seriously think Soros could get media traction for the police view of Ferguson, even if he spent a billion?

  39. @Harry Baldwin
    Liberal billionaire George Soros

    The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as "far right"? Can't it describe George Soros as "far left"? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at "liberal"?

    On NPR's "On the Media," one of the hosts described Soros as "the billionaire with a heart of gold." (Wasn't that Ernst Stavro Goldfinger in Shirley Bassey's song?)

    Replies: @anon, @Hunsdon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    Ernst Stavro was Blofeld. Auric was Goldfinger. “His heart is cold, he loves only gold!”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Hunsdon

    D'oh!! I should have double-checked that. A little voice was telling me to but I ignored it.

  40. @Suede Handle
    His real name is not "Soros"...

    All The World's A Stage, right? Anyone working in the intelligence community will tell you.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous

    Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz.

  41. I thought these block-busting operations were illegal.

  42. At 84, there is no telling whether Soros still has all his marbles. And I certainly would not expect any changes in world view at 84, especially from a billionaire. Unless they really, really search it out, anyone with that sort of money is not going to find anyone but ass kissers everywhere they look. Everyone in Soros’ employ will not want to upset the gravy train.

    “Let them eat cake” is not so much different from “Let them enjoy their white privilege”.

    Soros had to deal with his family being removed from separated from their wealth by the Nazis. And managed to become a self-made billionaire despite it all (or perhaps because of it). And the Nazis were beaten back by the Soviets. So who wouldn’t have a hard-on for leftism after that upbringing? If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Anonym


    Soros had to deal with his family being removed from separated from their wealth by the Nazis. And managed to become a self-made billionaire despite it all (or perhaps because of it). And the Nazis were beaten back by the Soviets. So who wouldn’t have a hard-on for leftism after that upbringing? If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.
     
    No. You may be dumb enough to buy the equivocation between real leftism (the USSR) and Cultural Marxism, but George Soros is not.
  43. @anon
    I've seen reports to the effect that Soros has picked some of the Kiev junta's members. (They call themselves ministers, but knowing what they do, I don't want to call them that). Lots of Georgians. Why Georgians? Soros organized the coup that put Saakashvili in power in Georgia years ago, so he knows a lot of Georgian politicians.

    Soros is basically the Jacob Schiff of our days.

    Replies: @Jim

    Ukraine for the Georgians!

  44. Chechens take no shit… just like Jews

  45. @Mr. Anon
    "HA says:

    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)"

    What is that quote that Steve has sometimes quoted (I think it was a Mexican politician who said it):

    "A politician who is poor is a poor politician."

    Whether it is 1 billion or 40 billion, evidently Putin is a not a poor politician.

    How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?

    Replies: @HA

    “How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?”

    Can’t say I’m a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars. Putin, on the other hand, has been a career bureaucrat since leaving the KGB — what did he ever manufacture?

    So try a little harder. And if you want to stop politicians like Poroshenko from getting even richer, cheering on your main man Putin is hardly the way forward.

    “A politician who is poor is a poor politician.”

    There’s rich, and then there’s 40 billion dollars rich — see the difference? And Mubarak was pretty rich, too, as I recall. Wonder if there’s a lesson to be learned there? Ech, probably not. Some people never learn.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @HA


    Can’t say I’m a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars.
     
    Poroshenko makes candy bars the way John Gotti ran restaurants. Can't you get better material than this?
  46. @Bill P
    @Whiskey


    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    -whiskey
     
    He's been investing in real estate funds. There's a push to drive whites back into cities where they can be charged exorbitant rent by giant corporate property owners. Getting blacks to riot in the cities shoved whites out 40 years ago, so he probably figures getting blacks to riot in the burbs will drive them back in. In concert with the riots, smaller cities and suburbs are being sued for "disparate impact" more than ever, to force them to affirmatively seek black section 8 renters.

    George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    Isn’t this called “blockbusting”, and against federal law?

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Reg Cæsar

    So long as it's done on an enormous scale, it's generally OK to break the law these days.

  47. I put “soros” into my Esperanto translator. It gave me sori, the plural of sorus, which is “a cluster of sporangia in ferns and fungi.”

    Well, they do spew a lot, don’t they?

    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Soros" means "will soar" in Esperanto. So his name is George Will Soar. In proper Esperanto it would be Soronto, "the one who will soar". But maybe he's a fan of George Will.

  48. @Jefferson
    "So it is all about money. Fancy that being the case in this socialist utopia called America. Who would have thought…"

    Crony capitalism thrives even in socialist and communist countries. Kim Jung Un for example has a personal net worth of $5 billion dollars. The left wing socialist/communist elites do not practice what they preach. Capitalism for me but not for thee.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well, “fakeLeftism” is redundant, isn’t it? People power is always Party power.

    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

    • Replies: @leftist conservative
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Cæsar wrote:


    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

     

    You guys are hilarious. Learn to read.

    Here is what I wrote:



    OK, so Hitler killed the Jews. Yeah, he did. But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations. But the establishment tells us that Hitler represented white pride. Nope. He represented the rich and the corporations.

    Read Karl Mayr’s essay called “I was Hitler’s Boss.” That essay shows that the idea of making the Jews scapegoats was already in place before hitler was even hired by the Reichswehr. Mayr states that hitler came to them as a pauper looking for food and shelter and that he did not give a hill of beans about jews. But he absorbed the plan and strategy of the upper class and used his oratorical talents to carry out their plan. What was the plan? The upper class of germany wanted to stop bolshevism. They did not want a populist revolt in germany like what happened in Russia. They did not want the working class to take their wealth and hang them. Imagine that.

    So they subverted the working class revolt and gave them a scapegoat to take the place of the upper class. The jews. The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used. Hitler was born with one testicle and was therefore an outcast from youth. He wandered the hills of austria alone and made speeches to amuse himself. Hence his talent.

     

    Now tell me how my quote above translates to "Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers".

    I am waiting.

    Replies: @map, @Reg Cæsar

  49. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    Behind every Great Fortune is a Great Crime!!!!!

  50. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    George Soros=Liberal Greedy Cheating Class+an undesirable Foriegner!!!!!

  51. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    George Soros=repellant parasite!!!!!!

  52. I don’t have a subscription to the NYT and consequently I can only look at 10 articles per month. I like to use mine to check out the real estate section slide shows. With two weeks to go I’m reluctant to waste one on the below article. Still it might be a rich source of outrage and laughs if anyone else would like to.

    N.Y. / Region
    With Banners, Taking Grievances to the Skies

    I wonder what other part of the brain will atrophy along with this skill.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30146160

    • Replies: @David
    @donut

    All you got to do is search the title of the article in google, click through via the search results and there is no limit -- at least that I have found. I use this to get around the pay wall in the WSJ too.

    Replies: @donut

    , @a reader
    @donut

    You download as many articles as you wish to a folder in your computer and then read them.

  53. Watching some of the Brown protests in Chicago I could see they were being led by professional protesters with the usual mass of rag-tag followers to fill out the ranks. They were too good, too polished in the way they were able to magnify the perception of their numbers and in creating a media-friendly circus. It was all out of the Gene Sharp playbook. It resembled the so-called ‘color revolutions’ of eastern Europe in their coordination.
    What’s Soros’ interest in Ferguson, a place that he’s probably never heard of? My suspicion is that he’s actually acting as a cutout, a front man for the US government which doesn’t want to have it’s fingerprints on these things. It can thus be attributed to the actions of an eccentric billionaire who believes his mission in life is to ‘promote freedom’ and other wonderful things. We know the DOJ sent infiltrators to join up with protesters during the Zimmerman affair, showing that they’re surreptitiously involving themselves in these things. ‘Color revolutions’, domestic and foreign, is what the government is engaged in. That the footprints in the snow lead to Soros’ doorstep gives the government deniability, a layer of protection. Soros himself seems that he is comfortable with collaborationist type behavior of any sort with anyone in power in view of his biography, if some of the claims made about him happen to have some truth to them.

    • Replies: @Mike Sylwester
    @I am anonymous


    What’s Soros’ interest in Ferguson, a place that he’s probably never heard of? My suspicion is that he’s actually acting as a cutout, a front man for the US government which doesn’t want to have it’s fingerprints on these things. It can thus be attributed to the actions of an eccentric billionaire who believes his mission in life is to ‘promote freedom’ and other wonderful things.
     
    That is a good explanation.
  54. advancedatheist [AKA "RedneckCryonicist"] says:

    Oh, I’d like to see some civil lawsuits directed against this prick for the damage he has caused.

  55. You would think that in this giant country there’d be, by the Law of Large Numbers, unembarrassing actual injustices to overemphasize. No doubt there are, but The System isn’t good at focusing upon them.

    My suspicion/theory is that the grievance mongers, specifically avoid cases where there are actual injustices. We have had two of them here in Ohio recently, and they have died quick media deaths.

    You see, in cases of actual grievance, it would quickly become obvious that your typical white person isn’t simply racist for the sake of being racist and opposes actual injustice. That is absolutely not what they want. They don’t want whites and blacks agreeing that an injustice has occurred and holding hands, etc. How could they get away with torching neighborhoods if that happened?

    They deliberately pick cases that are either ambiguous or where the black person was pretty clearly guilty, and then any disagreement with the narrative can be painted as “evil white racists!”

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Cloudbuster


    My suspicion/theory is that the grievance mongers, specifically avoid cases where there are actual injustices. We have had two of them here in Ohio recently, and they have died quick media deaths.

    -Cloudbuster
     
    We had a few in Seattle, too. One was really terrible. A deaf Indian who liked to carve wood got blown away by a cop in the city center because he didn't immediately respond to a request to stop whittling a chunk of wood.

    The guy was a tiny, frail old alcoholic. A lot of people were horrified, but the story never gained much traction.

    The thing is, this reign of terror in cities benefits elites. If people who can't afford lawyers are terrified of cops, that's good*. So instead they prefer to focus on incidents that occur where white proles live, and they choose ambiguous ones as a way to humble the proles and keep them on their toes.

    It's Sam Francis's anarcho-tyranny.

    Also, you have to keep in mind that controversy sells. As Steve often says here, people really prefer a game where the outcome in in doubt. So for the media focusing on things that people agree on makes for a boring story.

    *I've come to realize that this is the most important divide between whites who support and who oppose the police state. Those who support it are confident that they can uphold their rights in court, while those who oppose it know they can't, usually because they don't have the money.
    , @NOTA
    @Cloudbuster

    I suspect there are three things going on here:

    a. There is a large amount of randomness in what story catches fire at any given time. Random processes don't do a good job of finding worthwhile cases. (This is how some useless starlet's drinking problem becomes front-page news for a few days now and then.).

    b. For fundraising and "teachable moment" purposes, a weak story is about as good as a strong one. Your target audience are mostly partisans who will want to believe your story, and who will mostly keep on believing it despite any evidence to the contrary.

    c. Controvery is helpful in getting people to pay attention. If there's some awful crime and everyone agrees "Geez, that's awful," it's not easy to churn up a controversy about it. There's nobody interested in taking the other side of the debate. If you have some crime (they happen from time to time) where someone murders a black guy for being black, *nobody* defends that. There's no juice in attibuting the Republicans' demands that the murderers face the death penalty to their hidden racism. The talking head shows covering the case are boring half-hours where everyone agrees that these awful people should be locked up forever. There are no protests--who would they be protesting *against*? The story never really catches fire.

    By contrast, if the story is really controversial, if it gets people mad at each other and gives the talking heads half an hour of partisan insults without twitching a brain cell, then it's a big story, and everyone reports and hears it.

    This article on Slate Star Codex really captures this phenomenon.

    Replies: @Bill

  56. @Reg Cæsar
    I put "soros" into my Esperanto translator. It gave me sori, the plural of sorus, which is "a cluster of sporangia in ferns and fungi."

    Well, they do spew a lot, don't they?

    Replies: @David R. Merridale

    “Soros” means “will soar” in Esperanto. So his name is George Will Soar. In proper Esperanto it would be Soronto, “the one who will soar”. But maybe he’s a fan of George Will.

  57. How did all of those protestors who did not work for over 3 months get the money to feed and shelter themselves the entire time ?

    Has anyone figured out yet who paid the bill for transporting the Maidan protesters from western Ukraine to Kiev, for their tents and sleeping bags, and for organizing their food? Sorry, I believe they survived from old ladies bringing them cookies and cups of tea. I saw it on TV.

  58. OT, but Krugman at his NYT blog just put forward another Diamondesque theory of why it was European whites who ended up conquering the world.

  59. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P

    Isn't this called "blockbusting", and against federal law?

    Replies: @Bill P

    So long as it’s done on an enormous scale, it’s generally OK to break the law these days.

  60. Totally off-topic: I just want to bring something to your attention. The notion that the West is becoming a huge Brazil is quite common in the Dark Enlightenment/politically incorrect blogosphere. What people don’t talk much though is the possible implications about such process. For one thing, Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact. Last year there where over 60 thousand homicides and over 50 thousand rapes in Brazil. Just between 2008 and 2011 over 200 thousand people were murdered in Brazil (google-translate it, please: http://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/noticias/nem-iraque-nem-sudao-brasil-esta-em-guerra-e-nao-sabe), which also has 16 of the 50 most violent cities in the world (http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1?r=US). Just providing you with food for thought, you don’t have to publish this comment. Keep up the good work.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Lawrence

    "...Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact."

    Selfishly, I wonder how much of Brazil's violent crime is non-white on white. St. Louis, MO has a lot of homicides but, IIRC, most are black on black crimes. If it's the same in Brazil, i.e., non-whites preying on each other, whites who heed "The Talk" should be okay there.

    Not that the US as Brazil is a scenario I regard with anything other than horror.

    , @attilathehen
    @Lawrence

    Brazil is 55-60% black. Any nation majority black (Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, South Africa) will have high crime rates.

    Replies: @NOTA

    , @Anonym
    @Lawrence

    Brazil is not the most violent country in the world, per capita. Not even top 10. But it is close, and maybe highest in terms of countries with a population of similar size.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  61. I see an Oscar for the over-acting Negro who portrays Al Sharpton in the upcoming movie about the execution-style murder of two New York policemen.

    Because #blackfilmsmatter

  62. @Harry Baldwin
    Liberal billionaire George Soros

    The media describes every immigration-restrictionist politician as "far right"? Can't it describe George Soros as "far left"? Does the media version of the political spectrum stop at "liberal"?

    On NPR's "On the Media," one of the hosts described Soros as "the billionaire with a heart of gold." (Wasn't that Ernst Stavro Goldfinger in Shirley Bassey's song?)

    Replies: @anon, @Hunsdon, @anonymous-antimarxist

    You got your Goldfinger up your Bloefeld.

    Sorry, could not help it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auric_Goldfinger
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld (Dr Evil?)

    Although connecting Soros with any number of Bond villains is entirely appropriate.

  63. @leftist conservative
    oh, so fakeLeftism is being funded by plutocrats via nonprofit foundations.

    Hmm...now, who is it who has been saying that on the internet for years now? Hmmm....can't quite think of who that might be....hmmm.....

    And course there is no chance whatsoever that such funding might happen because it makes plutocrats richer, and that multiculturalism/fakeLeftism is a tool to make the rich richer.

    Plutocrats never act in their own interests. That has already been established.

    Replies: @Big Bill

    Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs.

    Plutocrat leftists set up and funded the Frankfurt school and stocked it with their fellow travelers.

    • Replies: @Gringo
    @Big Bill

    Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs

    No, it was the government of Kaiser Wilhelm who sent Lenin back to Russia in a train. I doubt many would call Kaiser Wilhelm a leftist. Second mistake: the Romanovs had already fallen when Lenin took the train to Russia. The hope was that Lenin would take power and get Russia out of the war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?"

    I just got back from "American Sniper." Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    Replies: @Kylie, @donut, @anon, @Matra

    Richard Strauss composed three of his “Four Last Songs” after he turned 84. The fourth he composed the month before his 84th birthday.

  65. Another explanation is that Soros wants to ethnically cleanse cities of blacks, so he’s trying to squelch resistance on the part of smaller communities that don’t want to take them in. He just put almost a billion into Santander, which has major real estate holdings in American city centers, including Dallas, where he’s had a hand in these disparate impact lawsuits.

    What better way to cause one’s urban real estate to appreciate than to push the local blacks away into other places, like Ferguson?

  66. @Lawrence
    Totally off-topic: I just want to bring something to your attention. The notion that the West is becoming a huge Brazil is quite common in the Dark Enlightenment/politically incorrect blogosphere. What people don't talk much though is the possible implications about such process. For one thing, Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact. Last year there where over 60 thousand homicides and over 50 thousand rapes in Brazil. Just between 2008 and 2011 over 200 thousand people were murdered in Brazil (google-translate it, please: http://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/noticias/nem-iraque-nem-sudao-brasil-esta-em-guerra-e-nao-sabe), which also has 16 of the 50 most violent cities in the world (http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1?r=US). Just providing you with food for thought, you don't have to publish this comment. Keep up the good work.

    Replies: @Kylie, @attilathehen, @Anonym

    “…Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact.”

    Selfishly, I wonder how much of Brazil’s violent crime is non-white on white. St. Louis, MO has a lot of homicides but, IIRC, most are black on black crimes. If it’s the same in Brazil, i.e., non-whites preying on each other, whites who heed “The Talk” should be okay there.

    Not that the US as Brazil is a scenario I regard with anything other than horror.

  67. @Cloudbuster
    You would think that in this giant country there’d be, by the Law of Large Numbers, unembarrassing actual injustices to overemphasize. No doubt there are, but The System isn’t good at focusing upon them.

    My suspicion/theory is that the grievance mongers, specifically avoid cases where there are actual injustices. We have had two of them here in Ohio recently, and they have died quick media deaths.

    You see, in cases of actual grievance, it would quickly become obvious that your typical white person isn't simply racist for the sake of being racist and opposes actual injustice. That is absolutely not what they want. They don't want whites and blacks agreeing that an injustice has occurred and holding hands, etc. How could they get away with torching neighborhoods if that happened?

    They deliberately pick cases that are either ambiguous or where the black person was pretty clearly guilty, and then any disagreement with the narrative can be painted as "evil white racists!"

    Replies: @Bill P, @NOTA

    My suspicion/theory is that the grievance mongers, specifically avoid cases where there are actual injustices. We have had two of them here in Ohio recently, and they have died quick media deaths.

    -Cloudbuster

    We had a few in Seattle, too. One was really terrible. A deaf Indian who liked to carve wood got blown away by a cop in the city center because he didn’t immediately respond to a request to stop whittling a chunk of wood.

    The guy was a tiny, frail old alcoholic. A lot of people were horrified, but the story never gained much traction.

    The thing is, this reign of terror in cities benefits elites. If people who can’t afford lawyers are terrified of cops, that’s good*. So instead they prefer to focus on incidents that occur where white proles live, and they choose ambiguous ones as a way to humble the proles and keep them on their toes.

    It’s Sam Francis’s anarcho-tyranny.

    Also, you have to keep in mind that controversy sells. As Steve often says here, people really prefer a game where the outcome in in doubt. So for the media focusing on things that people agree on makes for a boring story.

    *I’ve come to realize that this is the most important divide between whites who support and who oppose the police state. Those who support it are confident that they can uphold their rights in court, while those who oppose it know they can’t, usually because they don’t have the money.

  68. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson

    Well, "fakeLeftism" is redundant, isn't it? People power is always Party power.

    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

    Replies: @leftist conservative

    Reg Cæsar wrote:

    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

    You guys are hilarious. Learn to read.

    Here is what I wrote:

    OK, so Hitler killed the Jews. Yeah, he did. But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations. But the establishment tells us that Hitler represented white pride. Nope. He represented the rich and the corporations.

    Read Karl Mayr’s essay called “I was Hitler’s Boss.” That essay shows that the idea of making the Jews scapegoats was already in place before hitler was even hired by the Reichswehr. Mayr states that hitler came to them as a pauper looking for food and shelter and that he did not give a hill of beans about jews. But he absorbed the plan and strategy of the upper class and used his oratorical talents to carry out their plan. What was the plan? The upper class of germany wanted to stop bolshevism. They did not want a populist revolt in germany like what happened in Russia. They did not want the working class to take their wealth and hang them. Imagine that.

    So they subverted the working class revolt and gave them a scapegoat to take the place of the upper class. The jews. The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used. Hitler was born with one testicle and was therefore an outcast from youth. He wandered the hills of austria alone and made speeches to amuse himself. Hence his talent.

    Now tell me how my quote above translates to “Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers”.

    I am waiting.

    • Replies: @map
    @leftist conservative

    But Bolshevism did not create populism. The workers did not benefit from the movement. A mass system of gulags that killed 30 million or more people is not a movement confined to the ultra rich.

    Who would not oppose a system like that?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @leftist conservative


    Now tell me how my quote above translates to “Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers”.

    I am waiting.

     

    I didn't say only Jewish financiers. Puppet shows take whole teams to put on.

    It's simple extrapolation, with sixth-grade arithmetic. You said:


    But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations… The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used.
     
    Assume a) Jews are about as materialistic, then and now, as anyone else, no more and no less, and b) Jews then populated the "upper class" (i.e., the super-rich; this is the 20th century, not the 15th or the 10th) at the same high rate as today.

    If Jews are one-third of America's billionaires today, they'd have been one-sixth of Germany's and nearly one-half of Austria's upper class eighty-five years ago. And they'd've made just as big a killing from Hitler's solely economic program as all the others of their class, right? They would have the same incentive as their goyish "classmates" to back the NSDAP.

    So I'm assuming they did. Unless there is some non-economic motive for them not to do so.

    But, as you dialectical materialistic types keep telling us, there's no such thing as a non-economic motive.

  69. Okey dokey, so why not sue him? Class action?

  70. He isn’t pro Israel, so it’s not ethnically motivated. Soros is just playing by the rules of the ethnic majority in the country he is in, and doing what brings prestige in Western society: helping victims of AIDS and victims of white society . The white elite are comfortable attacking whites as such. The French attacks have turned into a debate about anti Semitism, because the majority are not comfortable talking about whites as such as victims. Does anyone seriously think Soros could get media traction for the police view of Ferguson, even if he spent a billion?

    If he’s a leftist, shouldn’t he be anti-Israel? Nobody’s violating leftism like Israel. Unless his Jewish ethnocentrism gets in the way.

    If he’s really a leftist, the rules of the country he’s in mean squat to him. Which I think is probably a fair assessment of ole’ George.

    Well, “fakeLeftism” is redundant, isn’t it?

    This.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Svigor

    Right, if he's simply a genuine leftist, why doesn't he support those boycott Israel and Israel divestment campaigns? Why doesn't he support anti-Israel Palestinian militias and activists like he supports anti-Russian Ukrainian militias and activists?

  71. @Suede Handle
    His real name is not "Soros"...

    All The World's A Stage, right? Anyone working in the intelligence community will tell you.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous

    Mr. Schwartz is living up to his name

  72. @SFG
    @Bill P

    Close, but no cigar. Liberals actually like cities and want to live in them, and convince themselves they're environmentally friendly (which is true--ugly as New York is, 8 million suburbanites would do a lot more damage) and good for diversity (depends which ones) and forget about the rampant inequality (New York again), etc.

    I just think Soros wanted the Democrats to win, as Steve has suggested. Didn't work, but it's worth a shot. He could be trying to make some money off a trend, of course. But whites have been moving back to cities for a while. Once they're no longer dangerous, there are plenty of advantages, like not having to drive everywhere. I did notice the girls got a lot fatter when I moved to suburbia.

    Far-left and far-right: Generally, you never hear anyone who considers themselves on one side use their own 'far' term--which proves the media considers themselves on the left. I've never heard the National Review describe anyone as 'far-right', for example (and I used to read it back in the eighties as a kid).

    Replies: @Bill P, @Dahlia

    If your girls are too fat, you’re probably too close to the city.

    Lots of tall thin blondes around my new home, which is a good distance from the nearest metro area. Seems I live next to one of the most Dutch communities in the US, and it really shows.

    I feel sorry for the poor saps in San Francisco and Seattle fighting over tattooed skanks in bars. Up here you see a beautiful girl and she’s actually pleasant and friendly with an amazing lack of entitlement.

    As for Soros, I really think he’s trying to shove blacks out into the smaller communities. His involvement in these HUD lawsuits is just too much for a coincidence. He likes to fix his bets, and he just made a big one — 500 million euros in Santander, which does a lot of urban real estate here in the US through the former Sovereign Bank.

  73. @Hunsdon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Ernst Stavro was Blofeld. Auric was Goldfinger. "His heart is cold, he loves only gold!"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    D’oh!! I should have double-checked that. A little voice was telling me to but I ignored it.

  74. Last add, FWIW, the LAT today in Calendar has an article on diversity quotas in theaters. The performance not movie kind, with at least 51% being women, non-White, and young. Up against various anti-discrimination laws but what the hey. Diversity is viewed as a good thing.

    This idiot religion / substitute for traditional Christianity allows all sorts of scams on believers as Mark Twain noted in Innocents Abroad, the amount of the True Cross fragments he was offered would have built several sailing ships.

    Soros is the symptom, not the disease. A healthy society based on truth not religious lies about people and modernity would not allow him much more opportunity than your average low-level grifter. Without Diversity/PC worship, Soros would be the kind of low-level grifter Donald E. Westlake used to write about.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?"

    I just got back from "American Sniper." Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    Replies: @Kylie, @donut, @anon, @Matra

    Maybe you’ve heard of this guy ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    • Replies: @Francis
    @donut

    That little Finn popped quite a few people...

  76. Front page of the NYT is about a girls’ basketball team from Springfield, Ill, who beats boys.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/sports/central-illinois-xpress-emerge-as-unlikely-force-in-fifth-grade-league.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    The article doesn’t mention how there is an age around (11-12) where girls are often a little taller than the boys in their cohort, because they hit puberty earlier. Which happens to be the age of the kids on the team.

  77. Dahlia says:
    @SFG
    @Bill P

    Close, but no cigar. Liberals actually like cities and want to live in them, and convince themselves they're environmentally friendly (which is true--ugly as New York is, 8 million suburbanites would do a lot more damage) and good for diversity (depends which ones) and forget about the rampant inequality (New York again), etc.

    I just think Soros wanted the Democrats to win, as Steve has suggested. Didn't work, but it's worth a shot. He could be trying to make some money off a trend, of course. But whites have been moving back to cities for a while. Once they're no longer dangerous, there are plenty of advantages, like not having to drive everywhere. I did notice the girls got a lot fatter when I moved to suburbia.

    Far-left and far-right: Generally, you never hear anyone who considers themselves on one side use their own 'far' term--which proves the media considers themselves on the left. I've never heard the National Review describe anyone as 'far-right', for example (and I used to read it back in the eighties as a kid).

    Replies: @Bill P, @Dahlia

    This is probably correct: he simply wanted Democrats to win the midterms. Steve was always guessing the Democrats pushed and exploited it for that reason, but I thought that wasn’t quite right. A motivated billionaire exploiting the majority of Democrats’ deeply held fears on the other hand…

    We had something very similar done in Florida to gin up Democratic turnout here. Given that this is Florida, it was hilarious: medical marijuana being pushed by a slightly more upscale “Better Call Saul” in the person of John Morgan. Funnier, it probably would have passed if not for this additional burden. Best of all, the respectable full story on this charade comes from Roger Stone.
    ————-
    I’m guessing the disastrous I-93 protest received no Soros funds or professional planning…. The only authentic protest?!
    ————-
    Why this one and not others… Perhaps Benjamin Crump, whose profile rose with Trayvon and Zimmerman, found Ferguson and Brown to be a good battle but now had Soros in his network? It’s no longer just Jesse and Al. But they’re only a few guys and they have to choose their battles. Why do Al and Benjamin choose how they do? Why are they trusted? Jesse seems not nearly so foolish.

  78. >>> Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs.

    Absolutely correct. But – were the Romanovs appointed by God?

    Why should we care about this or that “royal family”?

  79. “leftist conservative says:

    oh, so fakeLeftism is being funded by plutocrats via nonprofit foundations.

    Hmm…now, who is it who has been saying that on the internet for years now? Hmmm….can’t quite think of who that might be….hmmm…..”

    A lot of people have, you deluded nitwit.

  80. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?"

    I just got back from "American Sniper." Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    Replies: @Kylie, @donut, @anon, @Matra

    Charlie Munger is 90

  81. “HA says:

    ““How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?””

    Can’t say I’m a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars. Putin, on the other hand, has been a career bureaucrat since leaving the KGB — what did he ever manufacture?”

    Yeah, right, he’s just the Willy Wonka of the Ukraine. So how did he become the “Chocolate King”. How has every billionaire in the FSU become a billionaire? He acquired control of formerly state-owned factories. A lot of ground can be covered by “acquired control”. He also owns a TV station (gosh, that’s a surprise) and other ventures as well. I’m sure he’ll end up significantly richer as a consequence of being Ukraine’s President. Perhaps not as rich as Putin, but then maybe Ukraine doesn’t have as much to loot as Russia does.

    As usual, your advocacy is in bad faith.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "Yeah, right, he’s just the Willy Wonka of the Ukraine....As usual, your advocacy is in bad faith."

    Huh? I said he was a candy manufacturer, as in... he manufactures candy. Is that really something you need to pick a bone about? Try getting a life, or something. As for my "advocacy", you might try reading the first 7 words I kicked off my comment with. You bothered to cut and paste them. Next time, try reading them.

  82. Besides Soros and Carlos Slim via the NYT, the other mega billionaire who played a role in the Ferguson Pogrom is Warren Buffett. Buffett is also a major supporter of the Democratic party.

    Buffett through his multiple bailouts of Lee Enterprises effectively controls the St. Louis Post Dispatch. At any time the Post Dispatch could have reported the facts of Mike Brown’s death effectively letting the air out of the bubble. The Post-Dispatch was in a position to be well aware of intersection of the local race hustlers, Sharpton’s National Action Network and the outside agitators being brought in by Soros.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Enterprises

    Sample of the Post Dispatch’s shoddy Ferguson reporting.
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/12/10/st-louis-reporter-dorian-johnson-now-hired-city-temp-rose-fame-michael

  83. Strong black women. LOL.

  84. @Lawrence
    Totally off-topic: I just want to bring something to your attention. The notion that the West is becoming a huge Brazil is quite common in the Dark Enlightenment/politically incorrect blogosphere. What people don't talk much though is the possible implications about such process. For one thing, Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact. Last year there where over 60 thousand homicides and over 50 thousand rapes in Brazil. Just between 2008 and 2011 over 200 thousand people were murdered in Brazil (google-translate it, please: http://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/noticias/nem-iraque-nem-sudao-brasil-esta-em-guerra-e-nao-sabe), which also has 16 of the 50 most violent cities in the world (http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1?r=US). Just providing you with food for thought, you don't have to publish this comment. Keep up the good work.

    Replies: @Kylie, @attilathehen, @Anonym

    Brazil is 55-60% black. Any nation majority black (Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, South Africa) will have high crime rates.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @attilathehen

    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  85. @donut
    I don't have a subscription to the NYT and consequently I can only look at 10 articles per month. I like to use mine to check out the real estate section slide shows. With two weeks to go I'm reluctant to waste one on the below article. Still it might be a rich source of outrage and laughs if anyone else would like to.

    N.Y. / Region
    With Banners, Taking Grievances to the Skies

    I wonder what other part of the brain will atrophy along with this skill.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30146160

    Replies: @David, @a reader

    All you got to do is search the title of the article in google, click through via the search results and there is no limit — at least that I have found. I use this to get around the pay wall in the WSJ too.

    • Replies: @donut
    @David

    Thanks, I'll try that.

  86. “leftist conservative says:

    And I guarantee that these riots were funded by many nonprofits fed by many corporations and rich people. Soros was not the only one.

    So it is all about money. Fancy that being the case in this socialist utopia called America. Who would have thought…”

    My experience has been that people who think that everything is “all about money” and who see venal motives in everyone else’s actions are usually grasping, greedy people themselves. And nobody is more materialist than leftists. I suppose that you are one such.

    Everything is not always all about money. Soros is 84 years old and already richer than Croeus. What he wants is probably not more money, but rather power – the only kind of power that could matter to an old man: leaving his imprint on the World – fashioning it according to his will. Whether his inclination to destroy western civilization is due to petty spite, or having been dropped on his head, or un-resolved daddy-issues, or him just being an evil, rotten old son-of-a-bitch, I don’t know. But I’m reasonably certain that it is not just “all about money”.

  87. “Sean says:

    He isn’t pro Israel, so it’s not ethnically motivated. Soros is just playing by the rules of the ethnic majority in the country he is in, and doing what brings prestige in Western society:”

    I think that Soros is either a nihlist or has convinced himself that he is some kind of platonic philosopher-king. Of all the world’s meddling billionaires, he seems the closest to a Bond villain.

  88. iSteveFan says:
    @HA
    @Anonymous

    There's other massive fortunes to consider with respect to the Ukraine crisis, e.g.:

    Soros' net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin's net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress -- I'm guessing she's gonna ask for extra-extra fries with her Whopper, which has got to add up. So, it's anyone's guess as where that'll end.

    And putting away any money in that part of the world without having a large chunk go into some mobster's (or equivalently, some politician's) pocket is going to be a challenge.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Bill

    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    First, what is the veracity of the claim that Putin has $40 billion? Is it verified information, or is it more along the lines of the ‘yellow cake Niger memo’ and ‘ Saddam was behind 9-11′ nonsense? Who provided this information? Was it a legitimate source, or is it from an Ahmed Chalabi/Masha Gessen type exile?

    Second, comparing Putin’s wealth to Soros’ is not really apt, unless of course, you can find Putin’s fingerprints on funding the Ferguson pogroms or other such activities on American soil. If the contents of this post are indeed true, and Soros’ foundation funded the Ferguson pogroms, then this represents the first time the US has been hit by the hand of the NGOs that so many other nations have complained about.

    Think about this. The mass opinion of the USA was clearly in favor of the cop in Ferguson, especially after the video was released showing the clerk being bullied. Yet this protest was able to fester for over 3 months and culminated in a riot that destroyed private property and caused the deaths of several innocents, including the execution of the NYC cops. Even though the vast majority of Americans did not agree with this, the picture presented to the world was that America was in rebellion mode. The one-two punch of the media and the Ferguson protesters made it appear there was a mass, spontaneous, popular uprising against the US government.

    And now that it appears that Soros funded the Ferguson protests, I am curious to see if any coordination also took place between the Soros NGO and the media itself. What this has shown to anyone who wants to see is that it apparently isn’t that hard to generate a fake rebellion so long as one has the funding for the stage army and the media to direct and promote it. It also makes me wonder about those ‘Color” revolutions that appeared so well-made for TV. Where they really legitimate expressions by the majority of the those countries, or where they more akin to the Ferguson pogroms? And while we are on the ‘Color” revolutions, what color would the Soros gang have designated for Ferguson?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    The "Brown" Revolution?

  89. @anon
    One of the consequences of packing the junta with Georgians and other non-Ukranians whom Soros and Nuland happened to know and trust produced a humorous situation.

    The junta hates the Russian language, which most of the citizens of the Ukraine speak at home. All government business has to be done in Ukrainian, all movies have to be dubbed or subtitled into Ukrainian, all street signs, even in 100% Russian-speaking cities like Odessa have to be in Ukrainian. Ukrainian is the only state language of the Ukraine (compare with the situation in Canada, Belgium and other multi-lingual countries).

    Most of the junta's members, including the president and the prime minuster, know Russian better than Ukrainian. But at least they grew up in the Ukraine. And being professional Ukrainian politicians they worked on their Ukrainian in adulthood and can now speak it in official contexts. But the new cabinet members, the ones who are rumored to have been picked by Soros, grew up in Georgia, Lithuania and other countries. They speak Russian, the lingua franca of the former USSR, but not Ukrainian.

    So the Russian-speaking world was treated to the very funny spectacle of the epically Russophobic junta having to conduct its cabinet meetings IN RUSSIAN. Because the Georgian, etc. members don't understand Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Jaakko Raipala, @Jack D

    You know they speak Russian because Russians were similarly repressive and Russia is completely hypocritical when it criticizes repressing languages. It’s standard for nationalist projects to be championed by nationalists who speak their own language as a second language because nationalist projects usually get started to build separation from a more powerful nation that repressed your folk and then got weakened.

    It’s also completely normal to base a national identity on how you pronounce some particular sound and then obsess over using the correct way in public while using the enemy way when you actually relax in private, see Scandinavia, millions of Slavistans etc. This is all just completely standard European history and suggests that Ukrainians have the potential to become a real European people with all the inimitably silly hallmarks of true Europeans.

    There also never was a nationalist project that wasn’t supported by at least a conspiracy of outsiders who wanted to weaken someone else. One man’s nefarious Jewish plotter is another man’s philanthropist, the Rothschilds lifting their usual boycotts of Russia to bankroll Finns back in the day did us a lot of good. Funny how history tends to repeat in similar patterns, isn’t it? I imagine that, unlike good Freiherr, George Soros doesn’t even expect to ever see the loans repaid.

  90. “Anonym says:

    Soros had to deal with his family being removed from separated from their wealth by the Nazis. And managed to become a self-made billionaire despite it all (or perhaps because of it). And the Nazis were beaten back by the Soviets. So who wouldn’t have a hard-on for leftism after that upbringing? If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.”

    Then he would have been welcome to live out his life in soviet-occupied Hungary. He need not have graced us with his presence.

  91. @donut
    I don't have a subscription to the NYT and consequently I can only look at 10 articles per month. I like to use mine to check out the real estate section slide shows. With two weeks to go I'm reluctant to waste one on the below article. Still it might be a rich source of outrage and laughs if anyone else would like to.

    N.Y. / Region
    With Banners, Taking Grievances to the Skies

    I wonder what other part of the brain will atrophy along with this skill.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-30146160

    Replies: @David, @a reader

    You download as many articles as you wish to a folder in your computer and then read them.

  92. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve a friend with close contacts to people in multi-national politics and high finance.
    He told me a good twenty years ago that there is a suspicion amongst such people that Soros is not Jewish, but made it all up to further his career.
    Anybody here no any better? Proof, not just smooth talk and smoother profiles in the New Yorker?

    Not that it matter too much – he’s a pig either way.

  93. Dahlia says:

    I just skimmed through the article which is a good, cursory behind the scenes focusing on details… Important stuff in order to try and see any big picture.

    Offhand, PICO caught my eye. We literally had a run in with them a couple years ago and I’d like to shed a little behind-the-scenes light on how they operate and behave, especially as it might help one understand the Jackie Erdely/Rolling Stone relationship to the anti-rape activists.

    PICO, when I researched them back then, is a group of transnational corporations agitating, on the surface, for the low-skilled Latin-American workers in the U.S., but are more interested in importing high-skilled labor. In any event, they’re for greatly expanding the labor pool while using and behaving as Leftists.

    They met with some sympathetic (amnesty) friends of mine at my church and gained their trust.
    This was a huge mistake.
    It became obvious very quickly that they care not a whit about my friends or our church.
    They steamrolled in with expensive, fancy buses and their own security (!). When the church hall was being cleaned up as was typical after the Sunday breakfast and fellowship, they arrived and their security guys began belligerently questioning the old men washing pots and pans and taking out the garbage, demanding to know why they were there and when they were going to leave.
    Then they began displaying fliers and they were over the top in incendiary “us vs. them” language. Just no respect or thought to the precarious position they had put my friends in with their fellow parishioners. And especially inflaming one group of parishioners against another.
    Then came the final straw: they sent too many paid grunts and one of my friends, against her better judgment, opened up the church to them and they put their security outside the church hoping it would remain secret. They ended up escorting out of his own church a parishioner who happened upon this and asked what was going on and if Father knew.

    Our friends’ reputations suffered greatly, our priest gave a tearful homily the following Sunday about great, unforeseen repercussions from seemingly small, wrong acts hurting those closest to you the most. PICO was long gone.

    Looking back, the average parishioner who could be called adversarial did not exist or matter to these people. Their fliers and slogans existed first, for the media, secondly, to establish liberal cred to other groups, and third by a long distance, for the migrant worker (I don’t think a single Hispanic parishioner attended; a recent op-ed by a PICO consultant in the WaPo gave the impression they have more trouble with churches than anticipated).

    I go out of my way to be friendly with the woman who let PICO in; what a terrible burden for her that mistake has been. My husband feels differently and this has come between us. I see Emily Renda and the activists as like her with Erdely as PICO, in having more power, corrupted, and with an ulterior agenda.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dahlia

    http://www.piconetwork.org/

  94. “Hi-Lo”

    Bingo! This news is just another reflection of the overthrow of the dominant Middle Class in the U.S. For many years, to my eye the most consequential trend in force, from The Great Depression to the present, was the rise, reign, and eventual overthrow of the American Middle Class.

    Other than wealth, rich and poor are rather similar. They are inherently natural allies against the Middle Class because a dominant Middle Class, as was evidenced in the immediate post-WWII period, keeps them and their pathologies under control.

    A plutocrat funding disorder by the Lumpen Proletariat would have been unthinkable in the U.S. until recently. Not because those with great wealth and power were any different in those days, but because the governing Middle Class would have slapped them down immediately.

    • Replies: @map
    @MLK

    The rich and the poor admire each other greatly. The poor admire the rich for their lack of accountability. The rich admire the poor for their lack of responsibility. Both hate the white middle class, that which holds everything together and that cannot indulge in copious amounts of each.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  95. @I am anonymous
    Watching some of the Brown protests in Chicago I could see they were being led by professional protesters with the usual mass of rag-tag followers to fill out the ranks. They were too good, too polished in the way they were able to magnify the perception of their numbers and in creating a media-friendly circus. It was all out of the Gene Sharp playbook. It resembled the so-called 'color revolutions' of eastern Europe in their coordination.
    What's Soros' interest in Ferguson, a place that he's probably never heard of? My suspicion is that he's actually acting as a cutout, a front man for the US government which doesn't want to have it's fingerprints on these things. It can thus be attributed to the actions of an eccentric billionaire who believes his mission in life is to 'promote freedom' and other wonderful things. We know the DOJ sent infiltrators to join up with protesters during the Zimmerman affair, showing that they're surreptitiously involving themselves in these things. 'Color revolutions', domestic and foreign, is what the government is engaged in. That the footprints in the snow lead to Soros' doorstep gives the government deniability, a layer of protection. Soros himself seems that he is comfortable with collaborationist type behavior of any sort with anyone in power in view of his biography, if some of the claims made about him happen to have some truth to them.

    Replies: @Mike Sylwester

    What’s Soros’ interest in Ferguson, a place that he’s probably never heard of? My suspicion is that he’s actually acting as a cutout, a front man for the US government which doesn’t want to have it’s fingerprints on these things. It can thus be attributed to the actions of an eccentric billionaire who believes his mission in life is to ‘promote freedom’ and other wonderful things.

    That is a good explanation.

  96. @Lawrence
    Totally off-topic: I just want to bring something to your attention. The notion that the West is becoming a huge Brazil is quite common in the Dark Enlightenment/politically incorrect blogosphere. What people don't talk much though is the possible implications about such process. For one thing, Brazil is the most violent country in the world and few people think about this fact. Last year there where over 60 thousand homicides and over 50 thousand rapes in Brazil. Just between 2008 and 2011 over 200 thousand people were murdered in Brazil (google-translate it, please: http://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/noticias/nem-iraque-nem-sudao-brasil-esta-em-guerra-e-nao-sabe), which also has 16 of the 50 most violent cities in the world (http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-2014-11?op=1?r=US). Just providing you with food for thought, you don't have to publish this comment. Keep up the good work.

    Replies: @Kylie, @attilathehen, @Anonym

    Brazil is not the most violent country in the world, per capita. Not even top 10. But it is close, and maybe highest in terms of countries with a population of similar size.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

  97. @anon
    One of the consequences of packing the junta with Georgians and other non-Ukranians whom Soros and Nuland happened to know and trust produced a humorous situation.

    The junta hates the Russian language, which most of the citizens of the Ukraine speak at home. All government business has to be done in Ukrainian, all movies have to be dubbed or subtitled into Ukrainian, all street signs, even in 100% Russian-speaking cities like Odessa have to be in Ukrainian. Ukrainian is the only state language of the Ukraine (compare with the situation in Canada, Belgium and other multi-lingual countries).

    Most of the junta's members, including the president and the prime minuster, know Russian better than Ukrainian. But at least they grew up in the Ukraine. And being professional Ukrainian politicians they worked on their Ukrainian in adulthood and can now speak it in official contexts. But the new cabinet members, the ones who are rumored to have been picked by Soros, grew up in Georgia, Lithuania and other countries. They speak Russian, the lingua franca of the former USSR, but not Ukrainian.

    So the Russian-speaking world was treated to the very funny spectacle of the epically Russophobic junta having to conduct its cabinet meetings IN RUSSIAN. Because the Georgian, etc. members don't understand Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Jaakko Raipala, @Jack D

    Probably more because they can’t speak it rather than that they can’t understand it. Written Ukrainian is about 85% intelligible to a Russian. Spoken is less – just as written Portuguese is not that hard for a Spaniard to read but the spoken language is harder to understand. But once you learn all the regular transformations (e.g. Russian “g” sound is pronounced as an “h” sound in Ukrainian) and get the hang of it, it’s not hard to make your oral comprehension close to your written. Making your tongue go that way is harder.

  98. “For one thing, Brazil is the most violent country”

    This is 100 percent wrong. There are many countries in the world with a higher per capita murder rate than Brazil. Do you want me to list them ?

  99. “If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.”

    But what if George Soros ends up like Betty White and lives well into his 90s ? How depressing would it be if that piece of shit is still alive 10 years from now ?

  100. It would be hard for Ferguson / Missouri / the Missouri federal prosecutors to prove any conventional felony against Soros, but criminal conspiracy and RICO charges would be hard for him to shrug off in court.

  101. Off Topic
    Today Rush used the phrase “family formation” three times after playing part of a speech where Romney used it once. (2:52 pm eastern time)

    Is it possible Romney read Steve’s “affordable family formation”?
    We can hope.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @North Carolina Resident

    I assume Rush has a research staff that combs the net and comes up with interesting views for him to present. Unlike the other talk show hosts I've tried listening to, Limbaugh often has valid insights and a non-"Republican, Inc" worldview. I can easily believe his researchers read iSteve.

    On the other hand, it's impossible for me to imagine Mitt Romney does. I don't think he has any interest in ideas.

  102. You guys keep looking for an obvious economic motive for Soros. It’s potash! He’s gonna corner the market! Urban real estate will boom after he drives blacks to suburbs!

    No.

    The reason George Soros funds racial agitators is that he hates and despises white gentile society and wants to weaken and destroy it. There is no obvious economic motive, no end game, nothing but hate.

    Never mind that Jews have never faced serious antisemitism in the United States, never mind that Jews in fact prosper in the United States and are rewarded for their accomplishments. Never mind that many (most!) Jews really are productive members of society. (My dentist is Jewish; he’s a great dentist.)

    Never mind that the destruction of the United States wouldn’t be particularly good for the Jews.

    He hates us, and he wants to destroy us.

  103. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    At the age of 84, Soros isn’t going to be around forever. The important thing is, who is he going to leave his money to? If he dumps it into astroturf organizations, they could cause trouble for years after he’s gone. Some Republican lawyers with a sense of public service need to go up to Soros’ wife/exes/heirs and encourage them to fight like weasels for the old crud’s money when he kicks the boot. The other options are putting a stealth Republican on the libtard boards who talks them into investing all the foundation’s money into something like (ahem) economic development in Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @a reader
    @Anon

    Please, don't forget Soros is a male Holocaust Survivor, and thus has a longer life expectancy.

  104. @North Carolina Resident
    Off Topic
    Today Rush used the phrase "family formation" three times after playing part of a speech where Romney used it once. (2:52 pm eastern time)

    Is it possible Romney read Steve's "affordable family formation"?
    We can hope.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I assume Rush has a research staff that combs the net and comes up with interesting views for him to present. Unlike the other talk show hosts I’ve tried listening to, Limbaugh often has valid insights and a non-“Republican, Inc” worldview. I can easily believe his researchers read iSteve.

    On the other hand, it’s impossible for me to imagine Mitt Romney does. I don’t think he has any interest in ideas.

  105. My theory on Soros is that his political activism has been designed to provide cover for his financial activities. Basically he has bought off all the left wingers who would otherwise be the only ones running exposes on his business affairs (and general character). Doing this makes him safe: the government (run by the center left) is not going to look overly closely into a champion of the media (which sets the agenda for government). I think doing this makes sense to someone who has survived violent and dangerous authoritarian regimes like Soros has, and who has an analytic mind and a cynical character.

    In doing so he has helped change the left away from an economic movement to one focused increasingly on sexual perversion.

  106. @Dahlia
    I just skimmed through the article which is a good, cursory behind the scenes focusing on details... Important stuff in order to try and see any big picture.

    Offhand, PICO caught my eye. We literally had a run in with them a couple years ago and I'd like to shed a little behind-the-scenes light on how they operate and behave, especially as it might help one understand the Jackie Erdely/Rolling Stone relationship to the anti-rape activists.

    PICO, when I researched them back then, is a group of transnational corporations agitating, on the surface, for the low-skilled Latin-American workers in the U.S., but are more interested in importing high-skilled labor. In any event, they're for greatly expanding the labor pool while using and behaving as Leftists.

    They met with some sympathetic (amnesty) friends of mine at my church and gained their trust.
    This was a huge mistake.
    It became obvious very quickly that they care not a whit about my friends or our church.
    They steamrolled in with expensive, fancy buses and their own security (!). When the church hall was being cleaned up as was typical after the Sunday breakfast and fellowship, they arrived and their security guys began belligerently questioning the old men washing pots and pans and taking out the garbage, demanding to know why they were there and when they were going to leave.
    Then they began displaying fliers and they were over the top in incendiary "us vs. them" language. Just no respect or thought to the precarious position they had put my friends in with their fellow parishioners. And especially inflaming one group of parishioners against another.
    Then came the final straw: they sent too many paid grunts and one of my friends, against her better judgment, opened up the church to them and they put their security outside the church hoping it would remain secret. They ended up escorting out of his own church a parishioner who happened upon this and asked what was going on and if Father knew.

    Our friends' reputations suffered greatly, our priest gave a tearful homily the following Sunday about great, unforeseen repercussions from seemingly small, wrong acts hurting those closest to you the most. PICO was long gone.

    Looking back, the average parishioner who could be called adversarial did not exist or matter to these people. Their fliers and slogans existed first, for the media, secondly, to establish liberal cred to other groups, and third by a long distance, for the migrant worker (I don't think a single Hispanic parishioner attended; a recent op-ed by a PICO consultant in the WaPo gave the impression they have more trouble with churches than anticipated).

    I go out of my way to be friendly with the woman who let PICO in; what a terrible burden for her that mistake has been. My husband feels differently and this has come between us. I see Emily Renda and the activists as like her with Erdely as PICO, in having more power, corrupted, and with an ulterior agenda.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  107. @iSteveFan
    @HA


    Soros’ net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)
     
    First, what is the veracity of the claim that Putin has $40 billion? Is it verified information, or is it more along the lines of the 'yellow cake Niger memo' and ' Saddam was behind 9-11' nonsense? Who provided this information? Was it a legitimate source, or is it from an Ahmed Chalabi/Masha Gessen type exile?

    Second, comparing Putin's wealth to Soros' is not really apt, unless of course, you can find Putin's fingerprints on funding the Ferguson pogroms or other such activities on American soil. If the contents of this post are indeed true, and Soros' foundation funded the Ferguson pogroms, then this represents the first time the US has been hit by the hand of the NGOs that so many other nations have complained about.

    Think about this. The mass opinion of the USA was clearly in favor of the cop in Ferguson, especially after the video was released showing the clerk being bullied. Yet this protest was able to fester for over 3 months and culminated in a riot that destroyed private property and caused the deaths of several innocents, including the execution of the NYC cops. Even though the vast majority of Americans did not agree with this, the picture presented to the world was that America was in rebellion mode. The one-two punch of the media and the Ferguson protesters made it appear there was a mass, spontaneous, popular uprising against the US government.

    And now that it appears that Soros funded the Ferguson protests, I am curious to see if any coordination also took place between the Soros NGO and the media itself. What this has shown to anyone who wants to see is that it apparently isn't that hard to generate a fake rebellion so long as one has the funding for the stage army and the media to direct and promote it. It also makes me wonder about those 'Color" revolutions that appeared so well-made for TV. Where they really legitimate expressions by the majority of the those countries, or where they more akin to the Ferguson pogroms? And while we are on the 'Color" revolutions, what color would the Soros gang have designated for Ferguson?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The “Brown” Revolution?

  108. Joining government and media-initiated movements also maximizes investment into activists. It uses the leverage those powerful institutions bring. The government provides its direction (and this gets noted in the all-powerful Washington media) and the media wants a hype story with a lot of drama. So when you send activists you can ensure that they get on camera with their message.

    Compare this with Conservative protests like the March for Life which happens every year, brings Hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people into the cold, and is barely noticed by the media people who work nearby.

  109. This illustrates why the left believes all right wing actions need to be financed be shady money for people like the Kochs and is really AstroTurf. It’s projection because it’s what happens on their side.

  110. Also: Sharpton and the still alive Jesse Jackson are not going to live forever. Its important to identify the next generation of black activists, so you can be real sure they are going to be under your control and not independent.

  111. “This illustrates why the left believes all right wing actions need to be financed be shady money for people like the Kochs and is really AstroTurf. It’s projection because it’s what happens on their side.”

    It’s funny that the Koch Brothers are called far right wingers by the left wing media even though they are not religious social conservatives like Mike Huckabee and Billy Graham. The Koch Brothers are live free or die Libertarians who believe Gays should have the right to get married and that all drugs should be legalized. But because they are against Obamacare and don’t want to be taxed to their eyeballs, they are called far right wingers.

    The left wing media have a very broad definition of what is considered a far right winger. They might as well come out and say that anybody who is not a communist is a far right winger.

  112. Soros is 84. His time frame for investment payoff is not very long. I’d say, two-three years max. So whatever the guy is up to should be a short payoff. People his age don’t have a long-time frame.

    I also think too many commenters here give Soros too much credit. By all accounts he believes in nothing but winning, and his own ego. A true cynic mining the credulous, religious belief of suckers … er SWPL.

  113. “Brazil is 55-60% black.”

    Brazil has a sizable Black population but the population is nowhere near 55-60% Black. The average Brazilian is genetically around 85 percent European. It is up to debate if somebody who is 85 percent European is White or not, but an 85 percent European person sure as hell ain’t Black either. Multiracial would be a way more accurate term to describe such a person than Black would.

  114. Just blame it on Czar Nicholas.

  115. Soros was thirteen years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[18] When Jewish children were barred from attending school by the Nazis, Soros and the other schoolchildren were made to report to the Jewish Council, which had been established during the occupation. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis:

    The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper … It said report to the rabbi seminary at 9 am … And I was given this list of names. I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, “You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported.”[19]

    Soros did not return to that job, but instead went into hiding the next day.”
    – Wikipedia
    ——————————-

    And he’s never returned to daylight since he went into hiding. But he sure as hell is gonna shine his flashlight into your faces.

  116. Pogroms can’t possibly apply to Ferguson or other vibrant dust-ups 😉

    The word is reserved for YKW references only.

  117. @Svigor

    He isn’t pro Israel, so it’s not ethnically motivated. Soros is just playing by the rules of the ethnic majority in the country he is in, and doing what brings prestige in Western society: helping victims of AIDS and victims of white society . The white elite are comfortable attacking whites as such. The French attacks have turned into a debate about anti Semitism, because the majority are not comfortable talking about whites as such as victims. Does anyone seriously think Soros could get media traction for the police view of Ferguson, even if he spent a billion?
     
    If he's a leftist, shouldn't he be anti-Israel? Nobody's violating leftism like Israel. Unless his Jewish ethnocentrism gets in the way.

    If he's really a leftist, the rules of the country he's in mean squat to him. Which I think is probably a fair assessment of ole' George.

    Well, “fakeLeftism” is redundant, isn’t it?
     
    This.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Right, if he’s simply a genuine leftist, why doesn’t he support those boycott Israel and Israel divestment campaigns? Why doesn’t he support anti-Israel Palestinian militias and activists like he supports anti-Russian Ukrainian militias and activists?

  118. As you can see, Ron has coded up a first draft of some new features for Comments, but they are still in the Beta test phase. So, let me try them out with some boring comments of my own.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    So, now I'm replying to my own comment.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    To get the new functions to work, you need to refresh your browser so new CSS code loads. (Or something like that.) I shut down Chrome entirely and restarted it and many of these new comments worked much better. But shutting down the whole program may have been overkill and all I needed to do was just refresh the individual tab or window. Try the latter first yourself, and let us know here what works for you.

  119. @Steve Sailer
    As you can see, Ron has coded up a first draft of some new features for Comments, but they are still in the Beta test phase. So, let me try them out with some boring comments of my own.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    So, now I’m replying to my own comment.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Now I'm replying to my reply.

    For more hard-hitting content like this, check back periodically!

    Replies: @map

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    So, now I'm replying to my own comment.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Now I’m replying to my reply.

    For more hard-hitting content like this, check back periodically!

    • Replies: @map
    @Steve Sailer

    That reply feature is very cool.

  121. @leftist conservative
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Cæsar wrote:


    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

     

    You guys are hilarious. Learn to read.

    Here is what I wrote:



    OK, so Hitler killed the Jews. Yeah, he did. But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations. But the establishment tells us that Hitler represented white pride. Nope. He represented the rich and the corporations.

    Read Karl Mayr’s essay called “I was Hitler’s Boss.” That essay shows that the idea of making the Jews scapegoats was already in place before hitler was even hired by the Reichswehr. Mayr states that hitler came to them as a pauper looking for food and shelter and that he did not give a hill of beans about jews. But he absorbed the plan and strategy of the upper class and used his oratorical talents to carry out their plan. What was the plan? The upper class of germany wanted to stop bolshevism. They did not want a populist revolt in germany like what happened in Russia. They did not want the working class to take their wealth and hang them. Imagine that.

    So they subverted the working class revolt and gave them a scapegoat to take the place of the upper class. The jews. The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used. Hitler was born with one testicle and was therefore an outcast from youth. He wandered the hills of austria alone and made speeches to amuse himself. Hence his talent.

     

    Now tell me how my quote above translates to "Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers".

    I am waiting.

    Replies: @map, @Reg Cæsar

    But Bolshevism did not create populism. The workers did not benefit from the movement. A mass system of gulags that killed 30 million or more people is not a movement confined to the ultra rich.

    Who would not oppose a system like that?

  122. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    "what’s the oldest age at which anyone ever held his own at the top of a demanding profession?"

    I just got back from "American Sniper." Clint Eastwood is 84 years 7 months.

    Replies: @Kylie, @donut, @anon, @Matra

    Bernie Ecclestone is 84 and three months. He runs the world’s second most popular sport (although he’s been busy undermining its popularity for at least a decade). When it comes to wheeler dealers this guy is in a class of his own. It’s extraordinary that he’s managed to bleed corporations and governments of money for decades and often screw them over yet always come out on top. It’s just as extraordinary that he’s managed to stay out of jail, but then billionaires always seem to land on their feet.

  123. @Steve Sailer
    As you can see, Ron has coded up a first draft of some new features for Comments, but they are still in the Beta test phase. So, let me try them out with some boring comments of my own.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Steve Sailer

    To get the new functions to work, you need to refresh your browser so new CSS code loads. (Or something like that.) I shut down Chrome entirely and restarted it and many of these new comments worked much better. But shutting down the whole program may have been overkill and all I needed to do was just refresh the individual tab or window. Try the latter first yourself, and let us know here what works for you.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    Now I'm replying to my reply.

    For more hard-hitting content like this, check back periodically!

    Replies: @map

    That reply feature is very cool.

  125. When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said, “I only did my duty, and what I was told to do as well as I could.”

    The impression I get is that the men who wind up messed up by war are generally shell-shocked – it’s more about what they experienced, than what they did. Smashing someone’s skull open with an entrenching tool, seeing people blown to bits, huddling in a foxhole while shells explode all around you, hearing the screams of the maimed, that kind of thing. Snipers generally kill from a decent remove, though I suppose they can get a decent look at some gruesome head wounds through their scopes.

    I don’t think killing lots of men from a distance in a just war is the sort of thing that necessarily fills a good man with regret. You’ve got to hate the bastards to kill 500 of them in the first place. I bet a lot of the men who get asked this question would really like to say they regret not killing twice as many as they did, but know the culture’s against them.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Svigor

    I've heard the claim (from someone in a position to know) that one source of really awful PTSD/shell shock/ whatever is killing women and children either by accident or in the heat of battle.

  126. @MLK
    "Hi-Lo"

    Bingo! This news is just another reflection of the overthrow of the dominant Middle Class in the U.S. For many years, to my eye the most consequential trend in force, from The Great Depression to the present, was the rise, reign, and eventual overthrow of the American Middle Class.

    Other than wealth, rich and poor are rather similar. They are inherently natural allies against the Middle Class because a dominant Middle Class, as was evidenced in the immediate post-WWII period, keeps them and their pathologies under control.

    A plutocrat funding disorder by the Lumpen Proletariat would have been unthinkable in the U.S. until recently. Not because those with great wealth and power were any different in those days, but because the governing Middle Class would have slapped them down immediately.

    Replies: @map

    The rich and the poor admire each other greatly. The poor admire the rich for their lack of accountability. The rich admire the poor for their lack of responsibility. Both hate the white middle class, that which holds everything together and that cannot indulge in copious amounts of each.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @map

    There's an old saying I can't locate, but which goes something like, "The aristocracy hates the bourgeois for their decency; the poor hate them for their respectability."

  127. not Jewish, but made it all up to further his career.

    ANTI-SEMITISM!!!

  128. @Mr. Anon
    "HA says:

    @Mr. Anon

    "“How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?”"

    Can’t say I’m a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars. Putin, on the other hand, has been a career bureaucrat since leaving the KGB — what did he ever manufacture?"

    Yeah, right, he's just the Willy Wonka of the Ukraine. So how did he become the "Chocolate King". How has every billionaire in the FSU become a billionaire? He acquired control of formerly state-owned factories. A lot of ground can be covered by "acquired control". He also owns a TV station (gosh, that's a surprise) and other ventures as well. I'm sure he'll end up significantly richer as a consequence of being Ukraine's President. Perhaps not as rich as Putin, but then maybe Ukraine doesn't have as much to loot as Russia does.

    As usual, your advocacy is in bad faith.

    Replies: @HA

    “Yeah, right, he’s just the Willy Wonka of the Ukraine….As usual, your advocacy is in bad faith.”

    Huh? I said he was a candy manufacturer, as in… he manufactures candy. Is that really something you need to pick a bone about? Try getting a life, or something. As for my “advocacy”, you might try reading the first 7 words I kicked off my comment with. You bothered to cut and paste them. Next time, try reading them.

  129. “I don’t think killing lots of men from a distance in a just war is the sort of thing that necessarily fills a good man with regret. You’ve got to hate the bastards to kill 500 of them in the first place. I bet a lot of the men who get asked this question would really like to say they regret not killing twice as many as they did, but know the culture’s against them.”

    Chris Kyle was the Michael Jordan of snipers. He was a beast with that weapon in his hands. Any country would want to have a thousand clones of him serving in their military.

  130. , david, and nytimesreader,

    There’s an even easier solution to the NYTimes 10 article limit. In Google Chrome, right click on the title of the article and select “Open in new incognito window”. You can read as many as you want this way.

  131. @donut
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe you've heard of this guy ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    Replies: @Francis

    That little Finn popped quite a few people…

  132. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Soros just fell naturally into the Soviet anti-West agitprop and used it, against both the West and also indirectly the Soviets. He wanted to be the hands on the ropes, not those old-slow Soviets who took forever to act. He wanted to be known as a fixer and puppet-master that politicians everwhere would vet their ideas against. Without any single world-wide conspiracy (well, no doubt there were many conspiracies) there really was a long-drawn out anti-West communist agitprop campaign, if nothing else just because the Soviets were trying to win the Cold War. So maybe Soros is all about convenient access to power? Just a theory.

  133. @map
    @MLK

    The rich and the poor admire each other greatly. The poor admire the rich for their lack of accountability. The rich admire the poor for their lack of responsibility. Both hate the white middle class, that which holds everything together and that cannot indulge in copious amounts of each.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    There’s an old saying I can’t locate, but which goes something like, “The aristocracy hates the bourgeois for their decency; the poor hate them for their respectability.”

  134. @Big Bill
    @leftist conservative

    Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs.

    Plutocrat leftists set up and funded the Frankfurt school and stocked it with their fellow travelers.

    Replies: @Gringo

    Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs

    No, it was the government of Kaiser Wilhelm who sent Lenin back to Russia in a train. I doubt many would call Kaiser Wilhelm a leftist. Second mistake: the Romanovs had already fallen when Lenin took the train to Russia. The hope was that Lenin would take power and get Russia out of the war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

  135. “I suspect Soros is going to write some big checks in return for promises never to speak about these out of court settlements.”

    I suspect Soros will never face any serious negative consequence (other than the loss of money spent) for bankrolling this and countless other leftist boondoggles. The media, his lawyers, and the useful idiots among the masses all have his back.

  136. “HA says:

    Huh? I said he was a candy manufacturer, as in… he manufactures candy. Is that really something you need to pick a bone about? Try getting a life, or something. As for my “advocacy”, you might try reading the first 7 words I kicked off my comment with. You bothered to cut and paste them. Next time, try reading them.”

    The point was how he made his fortune. By fair means or foul. I’m betting on foul, which is typical for FSU oligarchs. Anyway the thread was about Soros, until you saw fit to drag Putin into it. Your claim not to be an advocate is a transparent sham. Why you are an advocate, I don’t know, nor do I especially care. You are just tiresome.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "The point was how he made his fortune. By fair means or foul. I’m betting on foul, which is typical for FSU oligarchs."

    The point is that Putin had a lot more money than Soros and whatever other Ukrainian semi-Jew you're ticked off about this week (hard to keep track of that) to try and sway Ukraine in his orbit. Instead, when that failed, he went with tanks and RPG's.


  137. if the Ukraine falls, Europe may follow.

    “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia”

    You know who else thought Russia was a threat to Europe and wanted to liberate the Ukraine…

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Napoleon?

  138. @Mr. Anon
    "HA says:

    Huh? I said he was a candy manufacturer, as in… he manufactures candy. Is that really something you need to pick a bone about? Try getting a life, or something. As for my “advocacy”, you might try reading the first 7 words I kicked off my comment with. You bothered to cut and paste them. Next time, try reading them."

    The point was how he made his fortune. By fair means or foul. I'm betting on foul, which is typical for FSU oligarchs. Anyway the thread was about Soros, until you saw fit to drag Putin into it. Your claim not to be an advocate is a transparent sham. Why you are an advocate, I don't know, nor do I especially care. You are just tiresome.

    Replies: @HA

    “The point was how he made his fortune. By fair means or foul. I’m betting on foul, which is typical for FSU oligarchs.”

    The point is that Putin had a lot more money than Soros and whatever other Ukrainian semi-Jew you’re ticked off about this week (hard to keep track of that) to try and sway Ukraine in his orbit. Instead, when that failed, he went with tanks and RPG’s.

  139. @Hippopotamusdrome

    if the Ukraine falls, Europe may follow.
    ...
    “Europe needs to wake up and realize it is under attack from Russia”


    You know who else thought Russia was a threat to Europe and wanted to liberate the Ukraine...

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Napoleon?

  140. “You know who else thought Russia was a threat to Europe and wanted to liberate the Ukraine…”

    Yes, I do — and do you also happen to recall who wound up “liberating” it instead?

    Which is precisely why Ukraine became the haven of prosperity and productivity that it subsequently became. Why, indeed, would anyone ever want to turn away from all that?

  141. “HA says:

    The point is that Putin had a lot more money than Soros and whatever other Ukrainian semi-Jew you’re ticked off about this week (hard to keep track of that) to try and sway Ukraine in his orbit. Instead, when that failed, he went with tanks and RPG’s.”

    I thought we were talking about corrupt oligarchs. Who mentioned Jews? I didn’t. You seem obsessed with the topic. Are you an anti-semite?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "I thought we were talking about corrupt oligarchs. Who mentioned Jews? I didn’t."

    Oh, my bad-- that was 'anon'. It's sometimes hard to tell the two of you apart, what with your nearly identical names and posts, and you rushing to his defense all the time. But hey, if you wish to distance yourself from his Nuland/Soros/Poroshenko/Yatsenyuk/Kolomovsky/neocon fixation (lemme think, is there perhaps any common underlying factor in all these entities that he keeps yammering about?...what could it possibly be?), well, be my guest.

  142. @Cloudbuster
    You would think that in this giant country there’d be, by the Law of Large Numbers, unembarrassing actual injustices to overemphasize. No doubt there are, but The System isn’t good at focusing upon them.

    My suspicion/theory is that the grievance mongers, specifically avoid cases where there are actual injustices. We have had two of them here in Ohio recently, and they have died quick media deaths.

    You see, in cases of actual grievance, it would quickly become obvious that your typical white person isn't simply racist for the sake of being racist and opposes actual injustice. That is absolutely not what they want. They don't want whites and blacks agreeing that an injustice has occurred and holding hands, etc. How could they get away with torching neighborhoods if that happened?

    They deliberately pick cases that are either ambiguous or where the black person was pretty clearly guilty, and then any disagreement with the narrative can be painted as "evil white racists!"

    Replies: @Bill P, @NOTA

    I suspect there are three things going on here:

    a. There is a large amount of randomness in what story catches fire at any given time. Random processes don’t do a good job of finding worthwhile cases. (This is how some useless starlet’s drinking problem becomes front-page news for a few days now and then.).

    b. For fundraising and “teachable moment” purposes, a weak story is about as good as a strong one. Your target audience are mostly partisans who will want to believe your story, and who will mostly keep on believing it despite any evidence to the contrary.

    c. Controvery is helpful in getting people to pay attention. If there’s some awful crime and everyone agrees “Geez, that’s awful,” it’s not easy to churn up a controversy about it. There’s nobody interested in taking the other side of the debate. If you have some crime (they happen from time to time) where someone murders a black guy for being black, *nobody* defends that. There’s no juice in attibuting the Republicans’ demands that the murderers face the death penalty to their hidden racism. The talking head shows covering the case are boring half-hours where everyone agrees that these awful people should be locked up forever. There are no protests–who would they be protesting *against*? The story never really catches fire.

    By contrast, if the story is really controversial, if it gets people mad at each other and gives the talking heads half an hour of partisan insults without twitching a brain cell, then it’s a big story, and everyone reports and hears it.

    This article on Slate Star Codex really captures this phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @NOTA


    There is a large amount of randomness in what story catches fire at any given time.
     
    Not really. For the most part, NYT and perhaps WaPo can get the national media focused on whatever they want. Also, journolist. The conspiracy here is pretty out in the open. Dreaming up Santa Fe Institute emergence bullcrap is beside the point.
  143. @attilathehen
    @Lawrence

    Brazil is 55-60% black. Any nation majority black (Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, South Africa) will have high crime rates.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @NOTA



    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

     

    Is there anything worth stealing? (Besides vintage cars.) Is there anyone worth assaulting?

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  144. @Svigor

    When asked if he regretted killing so many people, he said, "I only did my duty, and what I was told to do as well as I could."
     
    The impression I get is that the men who wind up messed up by war are generally shell-shocked - it's more about what they experienced, than what they did. Smashing someone's skull open with an entrenching tool, seeing people blown to bits, huddling in a foxhole while shells explode all around you, hearing the screams of the maimed, that kind of thing. Snipers generally kill from a decent remove, though I suppose they can get a decent look at some gruesome head wounds through their scopes.

    I don't think killing lots of men from a distance in a just war is the sort of thing that necessarily fills a good man with regret. You've got to hate the bastards to kill 500 of them in the first place. I bet a lot of the men who get asked this question would really like to say they regret not killing twice as many as they did, but know the culture's against them.

    Replies: @NOTA

    I’ve heard the claim (from someone in a position to know) that one source of really awful PTSD/shell shock/ whatever is killing women and children either by accident or in the heat of battle.

  145. @Mr. Anon
    "HA says:

    The point is that Putin had a lot more money than Soros and whatever other Ukrainian semi-Jew you’re ticked off about this week (hard to keep track of that) to try and sway Ukraine in his orbit. Instead, when that failed, he went with tanks and RPG’s."

    I thought we were talking about corrupt oligarchs. Who mentioned Jews? I didn't. You seem obsessed with the topic. Are you an anti-semite?

    Replies: @HA

    “I thought we were talking about corrupt oligarchs. Who mentioned Jews? I didn’t.”

    Oh, my bad– that was ‘anon’. It’s sometimes hard to tell the two of you apart, what with your nearly identical names and posts, and you rushing to his defense all the time. But hey, if you wish to distance yourself from his Nuland/Soros/Poroshenko/Yatsenyuk/Kolomovsky/neocon fixation (lemme think, is there perhaps any common underlying factor in all these entities that he keeps yammering about?…what could it possibly be?), well, be my guest.

  146. @Anon
    At the age of 84, Soros isn't going to be around forever. The important thing is, who is he going to leave his money to? If he dumps it into astroturf organizations, they could cause trouble for years after he's gone. Some Republican lawyers with a sense of public service need to go up to Soros' wife/exes/heirs and encourage them to fight like weasels for the old crud's money when he kicks the boot. The other options are putting a stealth Republican on the libtard boards who talks them into investing all the foundation's money into something like (ahem) economic development in Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @a reader

    Please, don’t forget Soros is a male Holocaust Survivor, and thus has a longer life expectancy.

  147. If George Soros lives another 10 years or even just another 5 years, that is still enough time for him to do plenty of political damage to this country during his remaining time on earth.

  148. Plutocrat leftists arranged to send Lenin back to Russia in a train full of gold to overthrow the Romanovs.

    You are mixing up events. The German government sent Lenin back to Russia, and funded the early Bolshevik government, because Lenin took Russia out of the war. German self-interest, pure and simple, to win the war. Not related to either plutocrats or leftism as such.

    Jewish financiers/plutocrats also funded the Bolsheviks, and you can see their hidden hand at work in that they got Trosky, and a large number of other Jewish revolutionaries, out of New York City/the USA/elsewhere, and into Russia, right past the British naval blockade. In fact the British intercepted Trotsky’s ship and detained him for a while before releasing him, ostensibly at the request of the Russian government, but you can read between the lines here if you are clued in.

    Why is this significant? Because the British most certainly did not want Trotsky and the other communist revolutionaries in the USA and elsewhere, to join Lenin in Russia, because they knew that they would help take Russia out of the war, which could very well (and did in fact come close) allow Germany to win the war.

    But in spite of this, Jewish (and not just leftist) plutocratic pull was so great that it could compel the British government to go against their own immediate war aims, and overwhelming self-interests, and not interfere with the passage of Trotsky and others into Russia.

    “leftist conservative says:

    oh, so fakeLeftism is being funded by plutocrats via nonprofit foundations.

    Hmm…now, who is it who has been saying that on the internet for years now? Hmmm….can’t quite think of who that might be….hmmm…..”

    A lot of people have, you deluded nitwit.

    An annoying, deluded nitwit, this “leftist conservative”. This Johnny One Note only just recently showed up on this blog with his peculiar fixation on the idea that he’s a genius and the rest of us are all dummies, yet he wants us to believe he’s been “saying that on the internet for years now”. Oh really? Where? Under what name? What a joke.

    If he wants credit for his blindingly obvious “insight” he should start his own blog and stop posting anonymous snark on other people’s blogs. His “insight” has been a common trope on the right for decades; in fact probably centuries by now in the broader sense (class analysis didn’t begin with Marx after all). He thinks he has invented the ham sandwich, and thus thinks he’s oh so clever.

  149. @HA
    @Anonymous

    There's other massive fortunes to consider with respect to the Ukraine crisis, e.g.:

    Soros' net worth: 20 billion USD
    Putin's net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress -- I'm guessing she's gonna ask for extra-extra fries with her Whopper, which has got to add up. So, it's anyone's guess as where that'll end.

    And putting away any money in that part of the world without having a large chunk go into some mobster's (or equivalently, some politician's) pocket is going to be a challenge.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Bill

    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)

    Why stop there? As long as we are just making up numbers, let’s say his net worth is a trillion dollars.

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress

    Wait, he isn’t gay any more?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Bill

    Wait, he isn’t gay any more?

    Huh? I never said he was gay. But as for the heart-struck fanboi's lovingly doting on his every propagandum....well, you tell me, Bill. No, wait -- on second thought, don't. And why do you ask, anyway -- do you think about that a lot?

    "Poroshenko makes candy bars the way John Gotti ran restaurants..."

    No, I forget the exact name, but the stuff with the little bits of crunchy dark chocolate inside was actually pretty good. I wouldn't have been surprised to run across that in some US import/export shop, and might have even picked up a few bars. And it's not like all that many Ukrainians (or Iraquis or Lebanese or whoever else he offloads that stuff to) can pony up enough to satisfy their coco-fix with Lindt.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Bill

    Bill, are you a real person or one of those Kremlin paid sock puppets? Are you like "Bill from Iowa", who is really Ivan from Moscow? I would actually have some respect for you if you were getting paid for whoring on behalf of Putin. Or perhaps you are just a Russian patriot. The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

    Replies: @HA

  150. @Anonym
    At 84, there is no telling whether Soros still has all his marbles. And I certainly would not expect any changes in world view at 84, especially from a billionaire. Unless they really, really search it out, anyone with that sort of money is not going to find anyone but ass kissers everywhere they look. Everyone in Soros' employ will not want to upset the gravy train.

    "Let them eat cake" is not so much different from "Let them enjoy their white privilege".

    Soros had to deal with his family being removed from separated from their wealth by the Nazis. And managed to become a self-made billionaire despite it all (or perhaps because of it). And the Nazis were beaten back by the Soviets. So who wouldn't have a hard-on for leftism after that upbringing? If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.

    Replies: @Bill

    Soros had to deal with his family being removed from separated from their wealth by the Nazis. And managed to become a self-made billionaire despite it all (or perhaps because of it). And the Nazis were beaten back by the Soviets. So who wouldn’t have a hard-on for leftism after that upbringing? If there is a saving grace it is that he is 84 years old.

    No. You may be dumb enough to buy the equivocation between real leftism (the USSR) and Cultural Marxism, but George Soros is not.

  151. @HA
    @Mr. Anon

    "How much do you think Poroshenko will be worth after his term in office?"

    Can't say I'm a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars. Putin, on the other hand, has been a career bureaucrat since leaving the KGB -- what did he ever manufacture?

    So try a little harder. And if you want to stop politicians like Poroshenko from getting even richer, cheering on your main man Putin is hardly the way forward.

    “A politician who is poor is a poor politician.”

    There's rich, and then there's 40 billion dollars rich -- see the difference? And Mubarak was pretty rich, too, as I recall. Wonder if there's a lesson to be learned there? Ech, probably not. Some people never learn.

    Replies: @Bill

    Can’t say I’m a fan of Poroshenko, but he does make candy bars.

    Poroshenko makes candy bars the way John Gotti ran restaurants. Can’t you get better material than this?

  152. @NOTA
    @Cloudbuster

    I suspect there are three things going on here:

    a. There is a large amount of randomness in what story catches fire at any given time. Random processes don't do a good job of finding worthwhile cases. (This is how some useless starlet's drinking problem becomes front-page news for a few days now and then.).

    b. For fundraising and "teachable moment" purposes, a weak story is about as good as a strong one. Your target audience are mostly partisans who will want to believe your story, and who will mostly keep on believing it despite any evidence to the contrary.

    c. Controvery is helpful in getting people to pay attention. If there's some awful crime and everyone agrees "Geez, that's awful," it's not easy to churn up a controversy about it. There's nobody interested in taking the other side of the debate. If you have some crime (they happen from time to time) where someone murders a black guy for being black, *nobody* defends that. There's no juice in attibuting the Republicans' demands that the murderers face the death penalty to their hidden racism. The talking head shows covering the case are boring half-hours where everyone agrees that these awful people should be locked up forever. There are no protests--who would they be protesting *against*? The story never really catches fire.

    By contrast, if the story is really controversial, if it gets people mad at each other and gives the talking heads half an hour of partisan insults without twitching a brain cell, then it's a big story, and everyone reports and hears it.

    This article on Slate Star Codex really captures this phenomenon.

    Replies: @Bill

    There is a large amount of randomness in what story catches fire at any given time.

    Not really. For the most part, NYT and perhaps WaPo can get the national media focused on whatever they want. Also, journolist. The conspiracy here is pretty out in the open. Dreaming up Santa Fe Institute emergence bullcrap is beside the point.

  153. The rich and the poor admire each other greatly. The poor admire the rich for their lack of accountability. The rich admire the poor for their lack of responsibility. Both hate the white middle class, that which holds everything together and that cannot indulge in copious amounts of each.

    I was thinking that, other than the fact that they need each other (to tag-team the middle class), what they really have in common is that they aren’t going anywhere. Good times, bad times, the rich are not going to become un-rich (Maybe that’s a good definition of the rich). Good times, bad times, the poor are not going to become un-poor (not entirely true – people regularly move from poverty to the middle class, in modest numbers). The middle class, meanwhile, are quite vulnerable to changes in the economic climate; one push and they can move into the rich or poor categories.

    Chris Kyle was the Michael Jordan of snipers. He was a beast with that weapon in his hands. Any country would want to have a thousand clones of him serving in their military.

    Maybe that’s why Seth Rogen and Michael Moore hate him (see “Sound Familiar” thread); he was just a much more effective soldier than the rest.

    I’ve heard the claim (from someone in a position to know) that one source of really awful PTSD/shell shock/ whatever is killing women and children either by accident or in the heat of battle.

    Yeah, killing perceived innocents (especially women or children) would be the big exception to my supposition.

  154. @Bill
    @HA


    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)
     
    Why stop there? As long as we are just making up numbers, let's say his net worth is a trillion dollars.

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress
     
    Wait, he isn't gay any more?

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

    Wait, he isn’t gay any more?

    Huh? I never said he was gay. But as for the heart-struck fanboi’s lovingly doting on his every propagandum….well, you tell me, Bill. No, wait — on second thought, don’t. And why do you ask, anyway — do you think about that a lot?

    “Poroshenko makes candy bars the way John Gotti ran restaurants…”

    No, I forget the exact name, but the stuff with the little bits of crunchy dark chocolate inside was actually pretty good. I wouldn’t have been surprised to run across that in some US import/export shop, and might have even picked up a few bars. And it’s not like all that many Ukrainians (or Iraquis or Lebanese or whoever else he offloads that stuff to) can pony up enough to satisfy their coco-fix with Lindt.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @HA

    When I was in Ukraine, the candy bars near the checkout were mostly Mars products. Ex-Soviets are wild for Snickers bars and other Mars products and it's not just because they want Western stuff or because of slick advertising and labeling - it's because the stuff tastes better and is of higher quality . I'm sure Poroshenko's stuff was sold in the candy aisle (though I don't remember it specifically) but the Mars and other Western products are what people really want (if they can afford them - the prices were similar to Western prices but Ukrainian incomes are much lower). Poroshenko's "Johnny Krocker" bar has a paper thin coating of fake chocolate (palm oil instead of cocoa butter) and inside are cheap wafers made of flour and sugar instead of expensive nuts:

    http://www.amazon.com/Roshen-Johnny-Krocker-Vanilla-Chocolate/dp/B00Q1S0F64

    You get what you pay for.

    Replies: @HA

  155. @HA
    @Bill

    Wait, he isn’t gay any more?

    Huh? I never said he was gay. But as for the heart-struck fanboi's lovingly doting on his every propagandum....well, you tell me, Bill. No, wait -- on second thought, don't. And why do you ask, anyway -- do you think about that a lot?

    "Poroshenko makes candy bars the way John Gotti ran restaurants..."

    No, I forget the exact name, but the stuff with the little bits of crunchy dark chocolate inside was actually pretty good. I wouldn't have been surprised to run across that in some US import/export shop, and might have even picked up a few bars. And it's not like all that many Ukrainians (or Iraquis or Lebanese or whoever else he offloads that stuff to) can pony up enough to satisfy their coco-fix with Lindt.

    Replies: @Jack D

    When I was in Ukraine, the candy bars near the checkout were mostly Mars products. Ex-Soviets are wild for Snickers bars and other Mars products and it’s not just because they want Western stuff or because of slick advertising and labeling – it’s because the stuff tastes better and is of higher quality . I’m sure Poroshenko’s stuff was sold in the candy aisle (though I don’t remember it specifically) but the Mars and other Western products are what people really want (if they can afford them – the prices were similar to Western prices but Ukrainian incomes are much lower). Poroshenko’s “Johnny Krocker” bar has a paper thin coating of fake chocolate (palm oil instead of cocoa butter) and inside are cheap wafers made of flour and sugar instead of expensive nuts:

    You get what you pay for.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Jack D

    That's a good point about Mars, but even though some of the American/European stuff is perhaps changed around overseas to suit local tastes (so that it's worth buying just to find out whether they like their versions sweeter or milkier or fizzier), I like to at least try the local stuff.

    The plain dark chocolate was noticeably inferior compared to, say, Lindt -- as I recall, it was more bitter and burnt than oily -- but it was plenty good enough for me, and the ones with the little nuggets of extra-dark chocolate or whatever that stuff was (it was harder than a cookie, but softer than brittle or toffee) was surprisingly good. The nuggets masked or complemented the bitterness, I guess. And like you said, the local stuff was a good deal cheaper, so there's that.

  156. @Bill
    @HA


    Putin’s net worth: 40 billion USD (some say as much as 70)
     
    Why stop there? As long as we are just making up numbers, let's say his net worth is a trillion dollars.

    Of course Soros has to have some left over to fund Ferguson, whereas Putin has to finance the ex-gymnast mistress
     
    Wait, he isn't gay any more?

    Replies: @HA, @Jack D

    Bill, are you a real person or one of those Kremlin paid sock puppets? Are you like “Bill from Iowa”, who is really Ivan from Moscow? I would actually have some respect for you if you were getting paid for whoring on behalf of Putin. Or perhaps you are just a Russian patriot. The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Jack D

    "The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies."

    Hear, hear. I think that Nuland (and Soros and Masha Gessen, etc.) are a little like the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists – scummy provocateurs who stick their noses into areas best left alone. Unfortunately, Putin is a bit like the jihadi shooters who went after them, in that he’s too primitive and too quick to resort to violence when less bloody alternatives are available -- and he's no friend of the West. (I mean, jihadis are strong on family values, too, and stand up for their culture, and they mass-produce far fewer Kardashian/Hilton/Gaga-bots than the West does. But that does not make them our buddies. Larger geopolitical forces, going back centuries, preclude that, and they are unlikely to be resolved in our lifetimes. Unfortunately, the same goes for Putin’s ideologues.)

    So, while it’s important to recognize the threat that Nuland and Soros and Gessen pose, cheering for Putin is not the answer. Enemy-of-my-enemy is a very risky strategy, and a cure that is frequently worse than the disease it is prescribed for. It helped bring the Ottomans to the Balkans, the Bolsheviks to Russia, and Hamas to Israel. No, thanks.

    I’m not advocating Putin’s removal, either. He is also a lot like Mubarak, in that both did a good job of wiping out their competition, until the only ones left were even more dangerous. Egging on those who ousted Mubarak did not help us (and was not our business to begin with), and the same applies to Putin. But recognizing the danger he poses is also important, and those around here who disseminate his propaganda are not doing America or Europe (or the Russian people) any good.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  157. @NOTA
    @attilathehen

    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

    Is there anything worth stealing? (Besides vintage cars.) Is there anyone worth assaulting?

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is there anything worth stealing? (Besides vintage cars.)

    The vintage cars are all rolling heaps, pasted together out of whatever parts they could scrounge, including Russian trucks. Except as a museum-of-communist-horrors exhibit, any of then brought here would be immediately crushed or at the least totally dismantled for street rod building sheetmetal.

  158. The reason George Soros funds racial agitators is that he hates and despises white gentile society and wants to weaken and destroy it. There is no obvious economic motive, no end game, nothing but hate.

    Soros wants to punish the West for defeating the Nazis.

  159. @Jack D
    @HA

    When I was in Ukraine, the candy bars near the checkout were mostly Mars products. Ex-Soviets are wild for Snickers bars and other Mars products and it's not just because they want Western stuff or because of slick advertising and labeling - it's because the stuff tastes better and is of higher quality . I'm sure Poroshenko's stuff was sold in the candy aisle (though I don't remember it specifically) but the Mars and other Western products are what people really want (if they can afford them - the prices were similar to Western prices but Ukrainian incomes are much lower). Poroshenko's "Johnny Krocker" bar has a paper thin coating of fake chocolate (palm oil instead of cocoa butter) and inside are cheap wafers made of flour and sugar instead of expensive nuts:

    http://www.amazon.com/Roshen-Johnny-Krocker-Vanilla-Chocolate/dp/B00Q1S0F64

    You get what you pay for.

    Replies: @HA

    That’s a good point about Mars, but even though some of the American/European stuff is perhaps changed around overseas to suit local tastes (so that it’s worth buying just to find out whether they like their versions sweeter or milkier or fizzier), I like to at least try the local stuff.

    The plain dark chocolate was noticeably inferior compared to, say, Lindt — as I recall, it was more bitter and burnt than oily — but it was plenty good enough for me, and the ones with the little nuggets of extra-dark chocolate or whatever that stuff was (it was harder than a cookie, but softer than brittle or toffee) was surprisingly good. The nuggets masked or complemented the bitterness, I guess. And like you said, the local stuff was a good deal cheaper, so there’s that.

  160. @Jack D
    @Bill

    Bill, are you a real person or one of those Kremlin paid sock puppets? Are you like "Bill from Iowa", who is really Ivan from Moscow? I would actually have some respect for you if you were getting paid for whoring on behalf of Putin. Or perhaps you are just a Russian patriot. The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

    Replies: @HA

    “The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies.”

    Hear, hear. I think that Nuland (and Soros and Masha Gessen, etc.) are a little like the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists – scummy provocateurs who stick their noses into areas best left alone. Unfortunately, Putin is a bit like the jihadi shooters who went after them, in that he’s too primitive and too quick to resort to violence when less bloody alternatives are available — and he’s no friend of the West. (I mean, jihadis are strong on family values, too, and stand up for their culture, and they mass-produce far fewer Kardashian/Hilton/Gaga-bots than the West does. But that does not make them our buddies. Larger geopolitical forces, going back centuries, preclude that, and they are unlikely to be resolved in our lifetimes. Unfortunately, the same goes for Putin’s ideologues.)

    So, while it’s important to recognize the threat that Nuland and Soros and Gessen pose, cheering for Putin is not the answer. Enemy-of-my-enemy is a very risky strategy, and a cure that is frequently worse than the disease it is prescribed for. It helped bring the Ottomans to the Balkans, the Bolsheviks to Russia, and Hamas to Israel. No, thanks.

    I’m not advocating Putin’s removal, either. He is also a lot like Mubarak, in that both did a good job of wiping out their competition, until the only ones left were even more dangerous. Egging on those who ousted Mubarak did not help us (and was not our business to begin with), and the same applies to Putin. But recognizing the danger he poses is also important, and those around here who disseminate his propaganda are not doing America or Europe (or the Russian people) any good.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @HA

    Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard. He's a Russian nationalist, and a rational actor. Yes, he is intelligent and ruthless. You don't head the KGB any other way. He has his flaws, but an America with an intelligent, ruthless American nationalist for a president would be immeasurably better off.

    Don't confuse "Russian nationalist" with "white nationalist". He is not that. Nor is he particularly into the "Greatness of Western Civ" thing. Russia is not the West. It will never live up to Western ideals very well. Germany, even France and Italy, will always be greater manufacturing powers. Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian. That is not our concern. Let them read their huge novels in Russian, in the Cyrillic alphabet, eat their borscht and black bread, smoke their nasty cigarettes, and disdain modernism.

    Replies: @HA, @The most deplorable one

  161. @Bill P
    @Whiskey


    Enter Soros. So what’s his Ferguson angle? Is he long Smith and Wesson?

    -whiskey
     
    He's been investing in real estate funds. There's a push to drive whites back into cities where they can be charged exorbitant rent by giant corporate property owners. Getting blacks to riot in the cities shoved whites out 40 years ago, so he probably figures getting blacks to riot in the burbs will drive them back in. In concert with the riots, smaller cities and suburbs are being sued for "disparate impact" more than ever, to force them to affirmatively seek black section 8 renters.

    George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    “George Soros has been involved with this disparate impact issue, especially in trying to keep SCOTUS from ruling against these federal lawsuits. There could be a lot of money in forcing whites to move back into cities where rents and housing are far more expensive these days.”

    If so, George is playing with a live grenade. As any WN of revolutionary bent will tell you, making whites actually deal with blacks personally is their dream recruiting tool. A white suburbanite with a boat and a back yard to barbecue in is the last guy that is going to listen to a Pierce or a Covington. He has too much to lose. A white family that has to live around underclass blacks and, ahem, “Hispanics” (er, was Queen Isabella an Aztec?) on a daily basis-or, maybe even worse,credibly fear having to do so in the immediate future-is going to be easy to recruit to pro-white ‘in the system’ politics at the very least and very possibly want to get involved in Something Worse.

  162. @HA
    @Jack D

    "The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies."

    Hear, hear. I think that Nuland (and Soros and Masha Gessen, etc.) are a little like the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists – scummy provocateurs who stick their noses into areas best left alone. Unfortunately, Putin is a bit like the jihadi shooters who went after them, in that he’s too primitive and too quick to resort to violence when less bloody alternatives are available -- and he's no friend of the West. (I mean, jihadis are strong on family values, too, and stand up for their culture, and they mass-produce far fewer Kardashian/Hilton/Gaga-bots than the West does. But that does not make them our buddies. Larger geopolitical forces, going back centuries, preclude that, and they are unlikely to be resolved in our lifetimes. Unfortunately, the same goes for Putin’s ideologues.)

    So, while it’s important to recognize the threat that Nuland and Soros and Gessen pose, cheering for Putin is not the answer. Enemy-of-my-enemy is a very risky strategy, and a cure that is frequently worse than the disease it is prescribed for. It helped bring the Ottomans to the Balkans, the Bolsheviks to Russia, and Hamas to Israel. No, thanks.

    I’m not advocating Putin’s removal, either. He is also a lot like Mubarak, in that both did a good job of wiping out their competition, until the only ones left were even more dangerous. Egging on those who ousted Mubarak did not help us (and was not our business to begin with), and the same applies to Putin. But recognizing the danger he poses is also important, and those around here who disseminate his propaganda are not doing America or Europe (or the Russian people) any good.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard. He’s a Russian nationalist, and a rational actor. Yes, he is intelligent and ruthless. You don’t head the KGB any other way. He has his flaws, but an America with an intelligent, ruthless American nationalist for a president would be immeasurably better off.

    Don’t confuse “Russian nationalist” with “white nationalist”. He is not that. Nor is he particularly into the “Greatness of Western Civ” thing. Russia is not the West. It will never live up to Western ideals very well. Germany, even France and Italy, will always be greater manufacturing powers. Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian. That is not our concern. Let them read their huge novels in Russian, in the Cyrillic alphabet, eat their borscht and black bread, smoke their nasty cigarettes, and disdain modernism.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Former Darfur

    "Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard.

    Up to a point, Lord Copper. As in, dream on. There’s admittedly only so much he can rationally do, at present. But the logic of Russian nationalism is that if it is not expanding, it is collapsing, in the way a shark has to keep swimming or else sink. If you can't see that, then sheesh, read up a little. Anyone who wants to revive the Soviet Union the way he does (however limitedly he articulates that for now) has a much bigger back yard in mind than what's "his", and it ain't just borscht and black bread and Onegin that he's after.

    Again, I’m not interested in overthrowing him, and there’s plenty worse in Russia right now (thanks largely to him). But few people here would have tolerated weekly updates from, say, Mubarak’s propaganda arm without shouting it down immediately for what it was, whereas gulping down Putin’s is perversely regarded by many paleos as some kind of American patriotism.

    As for rational actor, I don’t see any rational way to say he handled Ukraine well, given that he could have with just a little more competence taken the whole country into his new-and-improved union. I take your point that he's not at the "kill-the-Jew-doctors" stage of his decline, thankfully, and hopefully he never slips that far. But the old KGB would have put a swift end to anyone who botched Ukraine the way he did, whereas Nuland's Eastern European desk is probably safe from any serious budget cuts for the next few years, so it worked out pretty well for her.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @The most deplorable one
    @Former Darfur


    Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian.
     
    And yet, they put things into space on top of big rockets. They are one of maybe two countries that can get to the ISS at the moment. Does that sound like a backward, superstitious country?

    Replies: @donut

  163. @Reg Cæsar
    @NOTA



    Does Cuba have high crime rates?

     

    Is there anything worth stealing? (Besides vintage cars.) Is there anyone worth assaulting?

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Is there anything worth stealing? (Besides vintage cars.)

    The vintage cars are all rolling heaps, pasted together out of whatever parts they could scrounge, including Russian trucks. Except as a museum-of-communist-horrors exhibit, any of then brought here would be immediately crushed or at the least totally dismantled for street rod building sheetmetal.

  164. @Former Darfur
    @HA

    Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard. He's a Russian nationalist, and a rational actor. Yes, he is intelligent and ruthless. You don't head the KGB any other way. He has his flaws, but an America with an intelligent, ruthless American nationalist for a president would be immeasurably better off.

    Don't confuse "Russian nationalist" with "white nationalist". He is not that. Nor is he particularly into the "Greatness of Western Civ" thing. Russia is not the West. It will never live up to Western ideals very well. Germany, even France and Italy, will always be greater manufacturing powers. Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian. That is not our concern. Let them read their huge novels in Russian, in the Cyrillic alphabet, eat their borscht and black bread, smoke their nasty cigarettes, and disdain modernism.

    Replies: @HA, @The most deplorable one

    “Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard.

    Up to a point, Lord Copper. As in, dream on. There’s admittedly only so much he can rationally do, at present. But the logic of Russian nationalism is that if it is not expanding, it is collapsing, in the way a shark has to keep swimming or else sink. If you can’t see that, then sheesh, read up a little. Anyone who wants to revive the Soviet Union the way he does (however limitedly he articulates that for now) has a much bigger back yard in mind than what’s “his”, and it ain’t just borscht and black bread and Onegin that he’s after.

    Again, I’m not interested in overthrowing him, and there’s plenty worse in Russia right now (thanks largely to him). But few people here would have tolerated weekly updates from, say, Mubarak’s propaganda arm without shouting it down immediately for what it was, whereas gulping down Putin’s is perversely regarded by many paleos as some kind of American patriotism.

    As for rational actor, I don’t see any rational way to say he handled Ukraine well, given that he could have with just a little more competence taken the whole country into his new-and-improved union. I take your point that he’s not at the “kill-the-Jew-doctors” stage of his decline, thankfully, and hopefully he never slips that far. But the old KGB would have put a swift end to anyone who botched Ukraine the way he did, whereas Nuland’s Eastern European desk is probably safe from any serious budget cuts for the next few years, so it worked out pretty well for her.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HA

    A year ago the Russians were talking "federalism" for Ukraine -- let the west of Ukraine be in the EU, and the East be in the Russian trade bloc. Maybe that's not practical (what do you do about Kiev?), but it seemed like an interesting idea for lowering the stakes so political control of Ukraine is not a winner-take-all proposition with inevitably a lot of disgruntled losers.

    It's kind of like if De Gaulle in 1967 had proposed Canada join a French trade bloc and the U.S. had responded that Quebec can be part of the French tariff bloc, but Ontario needs to be not shut off from the U.S.

    Replies: @HA

  165. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Former Darfur
    @HA

    Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard. He's a Russian nationalist, and a rational actor. Yes, he is intelligent and ruthless. You don't head the KGB any other way. He has his flaws, but an America with an intelligent, ruthless American nationalist for a president would be immeasurably better off.

    Don't confuse "Russian nationalist" with "white nationalist". He is not that. Nor is he particularly into the "Greatness of Western Civ" thing. Russia is not the West. It will never live up to Western ideals very well. Germany, even France and Italy, will always be greater manufacturing powers. Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian. That is not our concern. Let them read their huge novels in Russian, in the Cyrillic alphabet, eat their borscht and black bread, smoke their nasty cigarettes, and disdain modernism.

    Replies: @HA, @The most deplorable one

    Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian.

    And yet, they put things into space on top of big rockets. They are one of maybe two countries that can get to the ISS at the moment. Does that sound like a backward, superstitious country?

    • Replies: @donut
    @The most deplorable one

    Thank you.

  166. @HA
    @Former Darfur

    "Putin is no threat to a West that leaves him alone in his back yard.

    Up to a point, Lord Copper. As in, dream on. There’s admittedly only so much he can rationally do, at present. But the logic of Russian nationalism is that if it is not expanding, it is collapsing, in the way a shark has to keep swimming or else sink. If you can't see that, then sheesh, read up a little. Anyone who wants to revive the Soviet Union the way he does (however limitedly he articulates that for now) has a much bigger back yard in mind than what's "his", and it ain't just borscht and black bread and Onegin that he's after.

    Again, I’m not interested in overthrowing him, and there’s plenty worse in Russia right now (thanks largely to him). But few people here would have tolerated weekly updates from, say, Mubarak’s propaganda arm without shouting it down immediately for what it was, whereas gulping down Putin’s is perversely regarded by many paleos as some kind of American patriotism.

    As for rational actor, I don’t see any rational way to say he handled Ukraine well, given that he could have with just a little more competence taken the whole country into his new-and-improved union. I take your point that he's not at the "kill-the-Jew-doctors" stage of his decline, thankfully, and hopefully he never slips that far. But the old KGB would have put a swift end to anyone who botched Ukraine the way he did, whereas Nuland's Eastern European desk is probably safe from any serious budget cuts for the next few years, so it worked out pretty well for her.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    A year ago the Russians were talking “federalism” for Ukraine — let the west of Ukraine be in the EU, and the East be in the Russian trade bloc. Maybe that’s not practical (what do you do about Kiev?), but it seemed like an interesting idea for lowering the stakes so political control of Ukraine is not a winner-take-all proposition with inevitably a lot of disgruntled losers.

    It’s kind of like if De Gaulle in 1967 had proposed Canada join a French trade bloc and the U.S. had responded that Quebec can be part of the French tariff bloc, but Ontario needs to be not shut off from the U.S.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Steve Sailer

    I think your earlier idea of Ukraine getting compensated for Crimea is probably the more realistic one. What you're suggesting now seems far more of a win-win, and would lead to far less bitterness, but I would guess more Ukrainians would go for it than Russians, so until the sanctions and low oil prices really start to hurt (or else Europe decides that it would rather just blink rather than antagonize the Russian hardliners), I don't think that it is quite close enough to a Nash equilibrium, at least not yet.

    Just before (Western) Christmas, Ukraine made moves to "reapply" for NATO membership, I kid you not, but that was clearly trying to finagle something out of thin air to bargain with, so that they might get a little something extra in exchange for Russia being allowed to tattoo a permanent no-NATO stamp on Ukraine's lower back. Other than Kabuki motions like that, I think they're going to continue to just wait it out.

    But I do think Putin could have easily won all of Ukraine just a few years ago, and the fact that he let it come to this means there might be another shoe that will eventually drop.

    Replies: @Bill

  167. @leftist conservative
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Cæsar wrote:


    I always wanted to meet someone who believed Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers. It looks like LeftCon is our guy, judging by his comments on the Peter Frost post of 1/10/15.

     

    You guys are hilarious. Learn to read.

    Here is what I wrote:



    OK, so Hitler killed the Jews. Yeah, he did. But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations. But the establishment tells us that Hitler represented white pride. Nope. He represented the rich and the corporations.

    Read Karl Mayr’s essay called “I was Hitler’s Boss.” That essay shows that the idea of making the Jews scapegoats was already in place before hitler was even hired by the Reichswehr. Mayr states that hitler came to them as a pauper looking for food and shelter and that he did not give a hill of beans about jews. But he absorbed the plan and strategy of the upper class and used his oratorical talents to carry out their plan. What was the plan? The upper class of germany wanted to stop bolshevism. They did not want a populist revolt in germany like what happened in Russia. They did not want the working class to take their wealth and hang them. Imagine that.

    So they subverted the working class revolt and gave them a scapegoat to take the place of the upper class. The jews. The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used. Hitler was born with one testicle and was therefore an outcast from youth. He wandered the hills of austria alone and made speeches to amuse himself. Hence his talent.

     

    Now tell me how my quote above translates to "Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers".

    I am waiting.

    Replies: @map, @Reg Cæsar

    Now tell me how my quote above translates to “Hitler was the puppet of Jewish financiers”.

    I am waiting.

    I didn’t say only Jewish financiers. Puppet shows take whole teams to put on.

    It’s simple extrapolation, with sixth-grade arithmetic. You said:

    But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations… The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used.

    Assume a) Jews are about as materialistic, then and now, as anyone else, no more and no less, and b) Jews then populated the “upper class” (i.e., the super-rich; this is the 20th century, not the 15th or the 10th) at the same high rate as today.

    If Jews are one-third of America’s billionaires today, they’d have been one-sixth of Germany’s and nearly one-half of Austria’s upper class eighty-five years ago. And they’d’ve made just as big a killing from Hitler’s solely economic program as all the others of their class, right? They would have the same incentive as their goyish “classmates” to back the NSDAP.

    So I’m assuming they did. Unless there is some non-economic motive for them not to do so.

    But, as you dialectical materialistic types keep telling us, there’s no such thing as a non-economic motive.

  168. @Steve Sailer
    @HA

    A year ago the Russians were talking "federalism" for Ukraine -- let the west of Ukraine be in the EU, and the East be in the Russian trade bloc. Maybe that's not practical (what do you do about Kiev?), but it seemed like an interesting idea for lowering the stakes so political control of Ukraine is not a winner-take-all proposition with inevitably a lot of disgruntled losers.

    It's kind of like if De Gaulle in 1967 had proposed Canada join a French trade bloc and the U.S. had responded that Quebec can be part of the French tariff bloc, but Ontario needs to be not shut off from the U.S.

    Replies: @HA

    I think your earlier idea of Ukraine getting compensated for Crimea is probably the more realistic one. What you’re suggesting now seems far more of a win-win, and would lead to far less bitterness, but I would guess more Ukrainians would go for it than Russians, so until the sanctions and low oil prices really start to hurt (or else Europe decides that it would rather just blink rather than antagonize the Russian hardliners), I don’t think that it is quite close enough to a Nash equilibrium, at least not yet.

    Just before (Western) Christmas, Ukraine made moves to “reapply” for NATO membership, I kid you not, but that was clearly trying to finagle something out of thin air to bargain with, so that they might get a little something extra in exchange for Russia being allowed to tattoo a permanent no-NATO stamp on Ukraine’s lower back. Other than Kabuki motions like that, I think they’re going to continue to just wait it out.

    But I do think Putin could have easily won all of Ukraine just a few years ago, and the fact that he let it come to this means there might be another shoe that will eventually drop.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @HA


    I think your earlier idea of Ukraine getting compensated for Crimea is probably the more realistic one. What you’re suggesting now seems far more of a win-win, and would lead to far less bitterness, but I would guess more Ukrainians would go for it than Russians, so until the sanctions and low oil prices really start to hurt (or else Europe decides that it would rather just blink rather than antagonize the Russian hardliners), I don’t think that it is quite close enough to a Nash equilibrium, at least not yet.
     
    Yeah, the Russians won't go for the policy they have been relentlessly pursuing in Ukraine for more than a decade. The policy that they have been offering the West repeatedly throughout the crisis. That makes a lot of sense.

    And this points to a meta-phenomenon. What attracted my attention to the Ukraine in the first place was the bizarre, nonsensical reporting in the Western media beginning around October of 2013. It was and is as crazy as their reporting on race or global warming. In short, they say such nutty things, day after day, that it is crystal clear that they are spewing manufactured-in-real-time-by-morons propaganda. Furthermore, it has not slowed down a bit. It's all crazy-talk all the time.
  169. “Jack D says:

    The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies.”

    Who says the russians are our enemies? You? Who are you? I’m not aware of a state of war existing between the US and Russia. Russia isn’t my enemy. It’s a potential adversary, and given that they have nuclear weapons, I would prefer for them to remain a potential adversary (emphasis on the potential). My enemies are not whoever you happen to say they are.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Mr. Anon

    Or, think about what he means by "our." I'm pretty sure giving aid and comfort to his enemies is a good thing.

  170. @Mr. Anon
    "Jack D says:

    The saddest thing would be if you were an American giving aid and comfort to our enemies."

    Who says the russians are our enemies? You? Who are you? I'm not aware of a state of war existing between the US and Russia. Russia isn't my enemy. It's a potential adversary, and given that they have nuclear weapons, I would prefer for them to remain a potential adversary (emphasis on the potential). My enemies are not whoever you happen to say they are.

    Replies: @Bill

    Or, think about what he means by “our.” I’m pretty sure giving aid and comfort to his enemies is a good thing.

  171. @The most deplorable one
    @Former Darfur


    Left to their own devices Russians will be backward and superstitious and largely agrarian.
     
    And yet, they put things into space on top of big rockets. They are one of maybe two countries that can get to the ISS at the moment. Does that sound like a backward, superstitious country?

    Replies: @donut

    Thank you.

  172. @David
    @donut

    All you got to do is search the title of the article in google, click through via the search results and there is no limit -- at least that I have found. I use this to get around the pay wall in the WSJ too.

    Replies: @donut

    Thanks, I’ll try that.

  173. @HA
    @Steve Sailer

    I think your earlier idea of Ukraine getting compensated for Crimea is probably the more realistic one. What you're suggesting now seems far more of a win-win, and would lead to far less bitterness, but I would guess more Ukrainians would go for it than Russians, so until the sanctions and low oil prices really start to hurt (or else Europe decides that it would rather just blink rather than antagonize the Russian hardliners), I don't think that it is quite close enough to a Nash equilibrium, at least not yet.

    Just before (Western) Christmas, Ukraine made moves to "reapply" for NATO membership, I kid you not, but that was clearly trying to finagle something out of thin air to bargain with, so that they might get a little something extra in exchange for Russia being allowed to tattoo a permanent no-NATO stamp on Ukraine's lower back. Other than Kabuki motions like that, I think they're going to continue to just wait it out.

    But I do think Putin could have easily won all of Ukraine just a few years ago, and the fact that he let it come to this means there might be another shoe that will eventually drop.

    Replies: @Bill

    I think your earlier idea of Ukraine getting compensated for Crimea is probably the more realistic one. What you’re suggesting now seems far more of a win-win, and would lead to far less bitterness, but I would guess more Ukrainians would go for it than Russians, so until the sanctions and low oil prices really start to hurt (or else Europe decides that it would rather just blink rather than antagonize the Russian hardliners), I don’t think that it is quite close enough to a Nash equilibrium, at least not yet.

    Yeah, the Russians won’t go for the policy they have been relentlessly pursuing in Ukraine for more than a decade. The policy that they have been offering the West repeatedly throughout the crisis. That makes a lot of sense.

    And this points to a meta-phenomenon. What attracted my attention to the Ukraine in the first place was the bizarre, nonsensical reporting in the Western media beginning around October of 2013. It was and is as crazy as their reporting on race or global warming. In short, they say such nutty things, day after day, that it is crystal clear that they are spewing manufactured-in-real-time-by-morons propaganda. Furthermore, it has not slowed down a bit. It’s all crazy-talk all the time.

  174. Yeah, the Russians won’t go for the policy they have… been offering the West repeatedly throughout the crisis.

    Repeatedly and relentlessly, you say? Federalism? Was that before or after Putin annexed Crimea? And it was just like the federalism that DeGaulle proposed to Canada before he, you know, carved away a portion of it and attached it to France?

    You might want to think that one through a little more, Bill.

  175. The vintage cars are all rolling heaps, pasted together out of whatever parts they could scrounge, including Russian trucks. Except as a museum-of-communist-horrors exhibit, any of then brought here would be immediately crushed or at the least totally dismantled for street rod building sheetmetal.

    Talked to a Cuban dipshit a couple days after 0bozo announced his intention to normalize. I mentioned that there was money to be made in Cuba in the car market. I tried a couple of times to make it clear I meant selling OUR used cars to THEM, but he just didn’t catch on. Not even when I said “I mean selling OUR used cars to THEM.”

    It’s simple extrapolation, with sixth-grade arithmetic. You said:

    But hitler was a creature of the upper class and the corporations… The nazi regime was created and funded by the upper class. Hitler was the tool they used.

    Assume a) Jews are about as materialistic, then and now, as anyone else, no more and no less, and b) Jews then populated the “upper class” (i.e., the super-rich; this is the 20th century, not the 15th or the 10th) at the same high rate as today.

    I’m reminded of how Team Hasbara The Jewish Internet Defense Force is always telling us:

    Jews are just like other urban leftist white populations
    No more to blame for leftism than other urban leftist white populations
    Muuuuch smarter than white people

    How Jews can be both quite leftist and much more intelligent than whites and have been no more instrumental to leftism than typical white leftists is anyone’s guess. Maybe TJIDF should compose a manual so we know precisely what to think and say.

    This is leaving aside the distinction-without-a-difference status of statements like “Jews are no more leftist than other uber-leftist populations like big blue city urban whites.”

  176. The hi-lo coalition spends $33 million dollars.

    Meanwhile, it’s business as usual for the hi-hi coalition.

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