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From the U.S. department of Health Human Services:

What does “suicide contagion” mean, and what can be done to prevent it?
Suicide contagion is the exposure to suicide or suicidal behaviors within one’s family, one’s peer group, or through media reports of suicide and can result in an increase in suicide and suicidal behaviors. Direct and indirect exposure to suicidal behavior has been shown to precede an increase in suicidal behavior in persons at risk for suicide, especially in adolescents and young adults.

The risk for suicide contagion as a result of media reporting can be minimized by factual and concise media reports of suicide. Reports of suicide should not be repetitive, as prolonged exposure can increase the likelihood of suicide contagion. Suicide is the result of many complex factors; therefore media coverage should not report oversimplified explanations such as recent negative life events or acute stressors. Reports should not divulge detailed descriptions of the method used to avoid possible duplication. Reports should not glorify the victim and should not imply that suicide was effective in achieving a personal goal such as gaining media attention.

I would imagine that media reports should also not imply that the mass killing shooter was effective in achieving a personal goal such as gaining media attention. But the media can’t seem to help doing that when making a mass shooter famous is useful in demanding gun control or a crack down on discussion of the Great Replacement Theory.

 
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  1. Altai says:

    I would imagine that media reports should also not imply that the mass killing shooter was effective in achieving a personal goal such as gaining media attention.

    This was the opinion too of famous criminologist Dr. Park Dietz. Treat the event like sports broadcasts treat pitch invaders, turn the camera away. Otherwise you encourage others.

    But it’s not entirely fair to treat these things like that, 20 6 year olds shot dead just isn’t the same as that, so you probably should cover it but do as Park Dietz says and just report it once and don’t linger on it for the voyeuristic enjoyment of people who have no connection with the community impacted.

    But like with the handling of Ukraine, where the elites piled up war justifications for Russia and then were shocked (Obviously the neocons weren’t, it was the desired outcome) it went to war so too are the things coming out of the elites mouths make the right to bear arms seem like a pretty important thing. Maybe give large sociological parts of America, what was in the not too distant past just known as ‘America’ a reason to not fear and distrust you as much if you want to introduce gun control.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  2. We’re very good at erasing the mass murders caused by negroes. So apparently the plan is to have fewer of them? Is this because they don’t fit the narrative?

  3. But the media can’t seem to help doing that when making a mass shooter famous is useful in demanding gun control or a crack down on discussion of the Great Replacement Theory.

    That is the dilemma. First things first is a bit tricky when it is a better tactic to make these most important objectives (the first htings) not too explicit – or hide them completely like in the case of the great reset actually, which is usually comunicated as a perfect example for a conspiracy theory… – The snake is eating it’s tail.

  4. But the media can’t seem to help doing that when making a mass shooter famous is useful in demanding gun control or a crackdown on discussion of the Great Replacement Theory. [e.a.]

    Crackdown, or Streisand effect?

    If the shooter in Buffalo meant to have his attack and manifesto spark a greater media discussion of the Great Replacement Theory, he was resoundingly successful.

  5. Mike Tre says:

    In general a society that is homogeneous, high trust, promotes personal liberty, responsibility and traditional family formation will see a decline in:

    Suicide
    mass shootings
    serial killing
    drug abuse
    murder
    street gangs
    etc
    etc.

    Lots of words are being spent so we can pontificate upon everything except what the real causes of all these symptoms are:

    DIE.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  6. J.Ross says:

    When you read a couple of words into the headline and you know that, whatever is being discussed, the white lab coats caused it with the criminal lockdown, the white lab coats realized eventually that they had done something wrong, and now the white lab coats are trying to control damage and walk things back about as smoothly as the FBI in Buffalo.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  7. prosa123 says:

    I cannot understand how media reporting of suicide is a thing at all. Crimes may get media attention, mass shootings certainly do, but suicides rarely do. Unless there’s a celebrity involved, the only mention of suicide is the code phrase “died unexpectedly” in the obituary, and that’s also used for overdoses.

  8. Corvinus says:

    “I would imagine that media reports should also not imply that the mass killing shooter was effective in achieving a personal goal such as gaining media attention. But the media can’t seem to help doing that when making a mass shooter famous is useful in demanding gun control or a crack down on discussion of the Great Replacement Theory.”

    I would imagine that conservative and Alt Right media pundits should also not imply that mass killing shootings can only be prevented by arming to the teeth battle hardened suburban white kids and their parents for the impending civil war against their “enemy” in the name of God (Trump) and country. But the conservative and Alt Right media can’t help doing that when making a mass shooter—demented in their own right for a host of biological and social factors—a poster child who represents the evil of kikes, race traitorous whites, and their mystery meat acolytes.

    • Disagree: tyrone
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  9. The pharmaceuticals half the country seems to be on often warn about suicidal behavior (as well as homicidal) as one of many potential side effects. But it’s not discussed much because guess who one of the biggest political lobbies and media sponsors happens to be?

    • Replies: @Corn
  10. @prosa123

    Suicide does become a news story when a particular landmark draws a series of incidents (e,g, a famous bridge or some tall new statue in NYC that began drawing jumpers).

    You might also read about it when a highly visible public standoff is involved — someone threatens suicide, barricades themselves in and there’s a large response from police and emergency personnel. And of course there’s the classic murder-suicide, say an elderly man mercy-killing his wife and then himself.

  11. Art Deco says:
    @prosa123

    Since it can apply to a heart attack, a stroke, an accident, and a diabetic emergency, not much of a code phrase.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  12. If you’re mostly talking about young adults it seems you’d need to look at the influence of social media, rather than what we oldsters view as “media.” Do young people even pay much attention to mainstream media, if they ever did?

    While I do not particularly care about teen-agers, teen suicide seems like a terrible tragedy — these kids don’t seem to realize that if they can just tough it out for another few years they can go out and start a new life as adults. Thay have no time perspective, especially if they’re in emotional distress.

    One of my most fascinating assignments was a lady scientist who collected the donated brains of suicide victims, looking for some clue. I wonder how that ever worked out?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @AnotherDad
    , @Alden
  13. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:

    A Japanese comedian killed himself recently. The initial news reports were a little evasive and weird. I asked my wife what the deal was. She told me he probably killed himself.

    Of course the news still aired statements of sorrow from other celebrities.

    Despite this caginess and circumspection, a week later a government agency and a nonprofit publicly bitched that the press was not following the proper suicide report advisories to the letter. This itself became a news story. So much for withholding media coverage. You can’t win.

    The agency and nonprofit should have held their tongues, perhaps waited a month, and then privately approached media outlets. I think they wanted publicity for themselves, which overrode their desire to prevent publicity about suicides.

  14. The mass shooting social contagion effect probably started when the media spent so much time/energy covering every possible angle of Columbine. It’s almost as well known an event in the national consciousness as 9/11. I remember in the aughts, almost 10 years after Columbine, my high school hosting anti bullying assemblies that sensationally discussed Columbine like it had happened yesterday.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  15. The fact that suicide and depression are contagious, lends credence to the social epistasis theory proposed by Woodley of Menie and others:

    https://www.healthline.com/health/is-depression-contagious

    Depression — and other moods — are contagious in an interesting way. Research has shown that depression isn’t the only thing that can “spread.” Smoking behavior — either quitting smoking or starting — has been shown to spread through both close and distant social ties. If your friend quits smoking, you’re actually more likely to quit, too.

    Suicide has also been found to come in clusters. One Source showed that in both males and females, having a friend who died by suicide increased their own likelihood of suicidal thoughts or attempts.

    • Agree: Pixo
  16. prosa123 says:
    @Art Deco

    It’s all in the adverbs. Obituaries use “died suddenly” to indicate death from a medical emergency. “Died unexpectedly” is reserved for suicides and, less commonly, overdoses.

    • Agree: Perspective
  17. “suicide contagion”

    That is a strange definition. When I was a younger man looking to work with youth at risk. The issue in a KC suburb was that in a several communities, some student would commit suicide and almost as if in response several other students would do the same. And the context of of those suicides did not need media coverage. The kids network of friends and acquaintances were very effective in passing the word.

  18. J.Ross says:

    WHEN THE ISTEVINESS ANNOUNCES THAT IT CANNOT FIND SEVERAL TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND THEN THE ISRAELIS START DANCING AND THEN OH NO NO NO NO
    https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html
    Failing grades spike after top San Francisco school Lowell drops merit system like a Wall Street executive on IX/XI.

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    , @duncsbaby
  19. Altai says:

    I would imagine that media reports should also not imply that the mass killing shooter was effective in achieving a personal goal such as gaining media attention.

    The TV show ’13 Reasons Why’ got into trouble for this too. Essentially the premise is a teenage girl kills herself and leaves behind a tape giving 13 reasons why she did it, mostly calling out the people who abused or bullied her. In essence a depressed suicidal character got her just revenge and we got to see it played out. You can see why it wouldn’t be the best emotional influence on it’s teenage audience.

    Whereas in real life you just die, you don’t get to watch the people you wanted revenge upon. Nor is it an escape, it’s the opposite. Themes that would probably be much better for their audience. Let alone all the times the girl appears as hallucinations to again make the characters feel bad and remorseful.

  20. Anon7 says:

    How about instead of “suicide contagion” we talk about the endless encouragement provided to children and young adults to explore mental illness (ie. “hey, maybe you’re trans!”).

    Use internet search to find stats that meet your needs.

  21. dearieme says:
    @prosa123

    What other euphemisms are there? In the old days, in British obituaries of old folk the reader would guess that “after a short illness” meant heart attack or stroke, and “after a long illness” meant cancer. But there are presumably plenty of other fatal long and sort illnesses.

  22. Suicide contagion – 25+ teen suicides, nearly all by hanging, in one area of South Wales – admittedly a pretty depressed area – formerly an area of hard-drinking, chapel-going miners and dockers, now a smack-ridden disaster zone of Cash Converters and “pound shops”.

    I visited Bridgend a couple of years back and was surprised how bad it was – to the above had been added a “knock it down and build a ring road” architectural scheme which ripped up the old town centre.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2009/02/wales-suicides200902

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/mar/01/bridgend-wales-youth-suicide-media-ethics

  23. Suicide contagion is the exposure to suicide or suicidal behaviors within one’s family, one’s peer group, or through media reports of suicide and can result in an increase in suicide and suicidal behaviors.

    Just like tranny contagion!

  24. @Corvinus

    Big Black Duck strikes again!

  25. JimDandy says:

    It’s almost like they aren’t really interested in saving lives at all.

    At the same time, they DON’T plaster stories like this on the front pages:

    “Instead of waiting for the police to arrive, a woman with a concealed carry license in West Virginia acted fast to stop a crazed man with an AR-15-style rifle who was about to kill dozens of people at a graduation party.

    “Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Charleston Police Department Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett told local news WCHSTV.

    The incident occurred Wednesday when Dennis Butler,37, was angered by a group of people hosting a graduation party who told him to slow down through an apartment complex in Charleston. He returned 30 minutes later, parked his vehicle, jumped in the backseat, and discharged his weapon toward the group of 30-40 people. ”

    • Replies: @Pixo
  26. Interesting. Stockless shotgun can be usable at room combat ranges.

  27. @prosa123

    The new code phrase that I am seeing is “lost their battle with depression”

    • Replies: @prosa123
  28. The media cannot admit their role in any of our country’s afflictions. That is why they are hated.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  29. prosa123 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Some obituaries are getting more plainspoken, mentioning suicides or overdoses instead of “died unexpectedly,” or saying cancer instead of “long illness.” But that’s far from the usual practice.
    Another obituary practice is to say people died surrounded by their families, even though many deaths are in nursing homes where that’s unlikely to be the case.

    • Replies: @Rob
    , @Alden
  30. Rob says:
    @prosa123

    Seems to me “died after a long illness” is pretty on the nose for suicide after years of depression.

  31. On a lighter note.

    These are my people!

    An ancient Roman stone with an insult has been found in England. It’s more than 1700 years old, it depicts a penis and says, “Secundinus is an asshole.”

    xxxxxxhttps://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/comments/uzjaar/an_ancient_roman_stone_with_an_insult_has_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

  32. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    I would imagine that…………

    You don’t imagine anything. You are an NPC – an unthinking drone. You might as well be a robot.

  33. Corn says:
    @Known Fact

    I’m going off on a bit of a tangent but not it’s not just psychiatric drugs. Our society’s entire attitude towards drugs is going off the rails.
    If you peruse left wing Twitter the new thing now is decrying the “stigmatization of drug use and drug users”. Because you know, strong, sane societies are OK with moderate heroin or cocaine use.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  34. Mr. Anon says:
    @Known Fact

    One of my most fascinating assignments was a lady scientist who collected the donated brains of suicide victims, looking for some clue. I wonder how that ever worked out?

    She probably committed suicide.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  35. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, the joyful negroes of Little Somalia celebrate Memorial Day:

  36. SafeNow says:

    This HHS excerpt details the “do nots” of media reporting, but it seemed to me there must be more to it. After a few minutes of research, I found that there also exists “do” guidance that is based upon psychiatric research. This seems to basically consist of reminding readers that there exist alternate coping methods of dealing with stressors that are would-be precipitating factors.

    Regarding commenter objections to the term “contagion,” the literature I saw agrees and calls it “the copycat effect.” (Interesting copycat factoids: After Robin Williams’ suicide, 10% increase; after Marilyn Monroe’s, 12%.)

  37. Pixo says:
    @JimDandy

    Wow.

    Here’s a link. Hope it trends, right now it isn’t being widely covered.

    https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting

    Trump and DeSantis should go court this sharpshooter lady and use her in their campaign ads.

  38. @Truth

    Gabe Kapler used to have the best body in baseball. As a rookie, he appeared on the covers of several muscle magazines. (See, told you I was secretly gay.)

    He also said one of his main goals was to make it cool to be Jewish.

    Seriously – I’m not making that up:

    Every … Single … Time!

    • Replies: @Truth
  39. @S. Anonyia

    As long as we’re talking about Columbine, which we could also assume was prompted WRT to the shooters (who as I recall weren’t (particularly) bullied) to draw attention away from the extreme police culpability in the particularly bad outcome of it, the “Zero Tolerance” for defending yourself from a bully or we’re ruin your life policies likely made things worse.

    Here we have “society,” or at least that of the adults you’re heading for explicitly joining the side of the bully. What sort of message does that send about your future? About justice in your society? If your future gets crimped by the record this creates…?

    Though I still can’t see a path from this to shooting elementary school students, except for the point made in these Unz.com discussions that this causes pain to many more adults than the victims’ relatives.

  40. @Corvinus

    in the name of God (Trump)

    Nobody voted for Trump for who he is. They voted for Trump for who he isn’t.

    I.e., you.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  41. @Known Fact

    If you’re mostly talking about young adults it seems you’d need to look at the influence of social media, rather than what we oldsters view as “media.” Do young people even pay much attention to mainstream media, if they ever did?

    The cell phone is one of the most toxic technologies ever developed.

    I had a visceral reaction to this from the get go. Just a vast stroking of “immediacy” and ill-discipline and destruction of “internal-direction” imaginable. (And this the reaction of a guy who spent vast amounts of time in front of the computer for my job–and still do in retirement.)

    Seriously put the damn thing down and take a walk, go to the gym, work on a hobby, read a book, make love … something, anything.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  42. HHS: What Does “Suicide Contagion” Mean…?

    A punk 45*, or an emo band?

    *RPM, kids.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  43. Dumbo says:

    The media lives by selling panic, so it’s really a difficult thing to request them not to report on such (alleged) atrocities. (I said alleged, because while some are true, many are fake, manipulated or not exactly what they seem)

    That said, the media seems to do a pretty good job of ignoring or burying shootings or other atrocities done by Black or Muslims, so perhaps it’s possible to do it for Whites and Mexicans too.

  44. anonymous[585] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Punk bands have tended to call their small vinyl a “7-inch” instead of a “45”, at least as far back as the early 90s.

  45. @Altai

    This was the opinion too of famous criminologist Dr. Park Dietz. Treat the event like sports broadcasts treat pitch invaders, turn the camera away. Otherwise you encourage others.

    But it’s not entirely fair to treat these things like that, 20 6 year olds shot dead just isn’t the same as that, so you probably should cover it but do as Park Dietz says and just report it once and don’t linger on it for the voyeuristic enjoyment of people who have no connection with the community impacted.

    Exactly, like most things that are supposedly a “complex” the correct handling is obvious: get the incentives right.

    In this case, that is obvious: You don’t get to be famous by shooting people up.

    No name. No picture. The cops can give the basics–sex, race, age, i guess QWERTY status. And rather than celebrated you are erased from history and memory. Your whiny manifesto is not published, but banned. Your social media is destroyed. Your parents/family do not get any memorial, religious service, etc. They don’t even get your body to bury–you are chopped up and fed to some pigs. Gone.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
  46. @J.Ross

    Principal, soon-to-be-ex, attributes the plague of failing grades to “too many variables.”
    Variables.
    Is that what they are calling POC now?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  47. ChrisZ says:
    @AnotherDad

    Obscuring or downplaying the killer’s name has been the conventional wisdom for a while now, AD—though not always effected in practice—and it seemed to make sense to me. But lately I’ve been having second thoughts about that strategy.

    I now think it feeds into the sickening narrative that “instrumentalizes” these crimes, makes the villain a weapon or policy, instead of seeing them (I think correctly) as the acts of evil individuals. The killers generally recede from view (even a white killer is seen as an emblem of the impersonal force of “white supremacy”); and what that does, in effect, is to make all of us the villains, or potential villains. The killer becomes “the man with a gun,” or “the man with an ideology”—who could be anyone—not Ramos, Cruz, Paddock, or the given individual.

    But perhaps their names should be explicitly remembered with the vilification the society reserves for Hitler? And the contempt? If the name of Ramos signified not an inscrutable assassin driven by arcane urges, but instead a pathetic weirdo with sex hangups and physical abnormalities, an object of hatred as well as derision (which is in fact the way Hitler is characterized), would that make the crime itself less “contagious” for would-be copycats? I don’t know.

  48. @Truth

    I knew absolutely nothing about this guy, but on a hunch … sure ‘nuf.

    He is right about one thing. The state of the country “is not ok”.

    Imagine a world where we did not have to listen to the lectures of these pompous a*holes.

  49. Alden says:
    @Known Fact

    Congratulations for knowing that teens and young adults don’t read newspapers or watch TV news. Not do most adults in the 35 to 40 year old range.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  50. epebble says:

    What does “suicide contagion” mean, and what can be done to prevent it?

    Anne Case and Angus Deaton have done a lot of good work on that. See:

    Also see: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/deaths-of-despair-depression-mental-health-covid-19-pandemic

    On the other hand, asking media to remain mum is akin to asking a merchant not to sell his most profitable item. if it bleeds, it leads.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  51. Alden says:
    @prosa123

    Standard procedure in nursing homes and hospitals is to call the family to be there before the patient dies . It’s easy to monitor the several signs of impeding death for about two days and call the families. Families are encouraged to come and stay when patients are dying.

  52. Dream says:

    People who choose to commit suicide have a penchant for certain, well known spots.

  53. Truth says:
    @prosa123

    Duh, because they want you to keep doing it.

    That is why the one daily black-on-white homicide in America has 3 or 4 writers devoted to finding it on this site, whereas the 122 daily white-on-white suicides are mentioned by Steve Sailer maybe, once every 6 months.

  54. Truth says:
    @Stan Adams

    Gabe Kapler used to have the best body in baseball. As a rookie, he appeared on the covers of several muscle magazines. (See, told you I was secretly gay.)

    Stan, I like you brother, I truly do. And I am praying that everything goes well for you in the future as we have corresponded many times over the past decade, think you are generally fair, and have an underrated sense of humor; I but could I ask you one, small humble favor?

    Would you please refrain from posting pictures of yourself in the future, I have had a hell-of-a-time closing my eyes to sleep without nightmares for the past week.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  55. JimDandy says:
    @epebble

    Think so? The MSM seems to have a very easy time staying mum when a white person bleeds at the hands/gun/knife/boot of a black.

  56. epebble says:

    The contagion, if it exists, is easing.

    After peaking in 2018, suicide rates declined in 2019 and 2020; however, nearly 46,000 lives were lost in 2020.

    From 2019 to 2020, the suicide rate declined overall by 3%, including 8% among females and 2% among males. Rates declined in large metropolitan areas and seven states; rates by fall, poisoning, and suffocation also declined. Demographic disparities in suicide persist, as evidenced by increasing rates among persons aged 25–34 years, Hispanic males, and non-Hispanic multiracial females.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7108a5.htm

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  57. JimDandy says:
    @Truth

    Both middle eastern. Heaven forbid we ever get a Black! one of these.

  58. @epebble

    Thanks.

    But drug overdoses went way up in 2020. Were those pure accidents due to fentanyl getting into recreational drugs or semi-suicides?

    Beats me …

  59. @Truth

    That’s probably a good idea.

    As an aside, I should mention that I’ve finally located pictures of you and Corvinus.

    [MORE]

    Truth:

    Corvinus:

    • LOL: Truth, Corvinus
  60. Corn says:
    @Kylie

    Shakes my head……

    Every day I’m more and more convinced. Singapore is right

    • Agree: Kylie
  61. epebble says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I think most fentanyl deaths are due to adulteration of fake opioid pills by cheap but potent fentanyl. Unfortunately, the “manufacturers” are too stupid/unskilled/careless in proper dilution and mixing processes.

    We had a spate of tragedies where high school kids bought cheap pills on social media from strangers and died due to the pills being laced with high dose of fentanyl.

    https://www.koin.com/local/washington-county/beaverton-school-district-parents-lose-child-to-fentanyl-will-speak-at-webinar/

  62. @additionalMike

    Variables. Is that what they are calling POC now?

    I like it better than “joggers”, has a certain ‘je nais sais quoi’ to it.

  63. @epebble

    Sam Quinones says every drug dealer he’s met buys a \$29.99 Magic Bullet blender to mix white drugs in, but they are built for smoothies, not for powder, so some of their product winds up with most of the fentanyl they put in the batch and they lose a customer.

    • Replies: @epebble
  64. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The media has a unique ability to cause a huge social problem and then assign blame where it chooses (generally conservative white people).

  65. I don’t know about mass suicides, but a little cousin of mine committed suicide a couple months ago. He injected rat poison into his veins. He was only 20 years old. His father is listless and inconsolable, and heavily medicated. I will wait another couple of months to write him.

    The problem is that parents *don’t care* . Kids will often tell their parents why they feel miserable, but the desire of a child/adolescent is 100% irrelevant to adults. They care about what neighbors think, what the “Society” expects from their kids, their own selfish desire to have grandchildren at the cost of everything else, which pushes them to mistreat their children so that they will be “well adjusted” in the case of girls, and “socially dominant” in the case of boys, which means shaming their daughters endlessly if they express sexual desire or independence, and brutalizig and de-humanizing their sons with the classics “Man up!” “Grow some balls!”, “Be a winner, not a whiner!”, when the boys are depressed, anxious or not coping with life. Then, there is the educational system, which is is designed to crush the individuality of the youngster and mold them into perfect “college material” in behavior and training them to be good rote learners with no critical thought. Aristotle would *not* be proud of the American Educational System. It is an absolute disagrace.

    To make kids conform to Society’s absurd and dehumanizing expectation, they drug kids. Kids don’t want to be staring at some boring lectures for 9 hours straight? Give them amphetamines to force them to focus. Kids are expressing too much energy and engaging in behavior that adults find mildly distressing? Give them hypnotics to sedate them. The child will grow up with brain damage? Who cares, as lond as they talk at a voice tone that adults find comfortable.

    People live their lives with no critical thought. It’s wake up in the morning, work at some job that makes you miserable so that you can buy a whole bunch of stuff that you don’t need.(the amount of work needed to purchase true necessities like food and shelter is minimum), find a mate so that you can breed and pass on your DNA to the next generation, then shrivel in your corner and die of old age without having questioned why you do all this stuff.

    Imagine people that struggle to get their infant children into the “best” Kindergartens. So that they can then get into the best schools, which willl allow them to get into the best Ivy Leagues, so they can get the best jobs, so they can find the most attractive mates, so they can have the best children, that will be once again pushed into getting into the best Kindergartens, to get into the best schools, then the best colleges, then the best jobs, to get the best mates, to have more kids. Rinse and repeat, ad aeternum.

    The rat race never ends. The rat race for material wealth, for status and for attractive mates. But this rat race is not really for us, or about us. It’s about what other people expect for us. People do all these things just to have kids, and then why inflict the same torture on their own kids so that they can have kids of their own and inflict the same torture on them. The point is about *having* kids and not the kids *themselves* . A lot of teenagers realize this, they feel the betrayal, that what their parents actually care about is the DNA inside their cells and not them as people, as human beings, and they decide to dish out on their parents the ultimate punishment. They realize their parents ruined their childhoods, ruined their teenage years, all to make them work at a cubicle as adults doing something they despise for no other reason than to give the parents grandchildren, preferably attractive. The mass suicide of adolescents that is happaening now is their way of saying:”Nope. No grandchildren for you. The torture wheel ends here. This life is unbearable.”

    The younger Millenials, known as Gen-Z, have the highest rate of suicide of any group. This is especially true for males, who on top of all that I mention of noticiging the generational detrayal, alos grew up in a World where they were told from infancy that males are scum. In fact, Zoomer males don’t get sympathy from *anyone* . Both the liberals and the conservatives don’t care one bit about them, although for very different reasons. The conservatives because of their chivalrous notion that men should be strong and never demand or expect anything from anyone. The liberals because in progressive ideology men are already extremely privileged and have all the power. Admitting that a male is miserable is the same as denying that male privilege exists, which goes against leftist ideology. So young men have no friends.

    Right-wing conservatives –> “Be a man!””Grow some balls!”

    Liberals –> “You have male privilege! You embody the Patriarchy and White Supremacy! you cannot be unhappy! You have no reasons to whine as a member of the most privileged group!”

    This is why millions of young men are falling into drug addiction and video game addiction, and developing an attitude of extreme nihilism, misogyny and misanthropy

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  66. @Corn

    “if you peruse left wing Twitter the new thing now is decrying the “stigmatization of drug use and drug users””

    In my nearest big-city hospital even the maternity ward toilets have “blue lights” installed, to try to prevent any new mum who may be that way inclined finding a vein to shoot up in.

    Similarly local supermarkets have them, because customers hate hate hate finding dirty or even clean needles when you use the loo.

    https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/7328097.uv-light-is-used-to-deter-heroin-addicts/

    Naturally there are people here and in the US who see that “will lead to further isolating and alienating drug users instead of treating them with dignity and care”.

    https://www.inverse.com/article/46366-why-are-there-blue-lights-in-the-bathroom

  67. @Mr. Anon

    She told me suicide did run in her family

  68. @Alden

    It slowly dawned on me through a career of editing and then writing that you’re lucky if anyone even reads the headline and looks at the pictures. I don’t even read my own stuff, just look at the layout.

    I loved newspapers as a teen, and even as a kid. I was sitting on the floor one day, about five years old, with a newspaper all spread out, and my uncle was flabbergasted when I read out something like Cincinnati Blanks Milwaukee. My dad was like, yeah that’s him, all right

  69. @AnotherDad

    The unintended consequences of technology is a core theme of sci-fi, and we’re living it now. Somehow the phone is more pernicious than a laptop or even a tablet.

    I used to notice how smokers were emotionally attached to their pack of cigs, even in situations where they were not smoking or could not smoke. I see the same security-blanket behaviors with people and their phones. Especially women and teens

  70. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You’re simply being silly. People voted for Trump in 2016 because Shitlery was awful, and he made numerous promises which he did not deliver on. In 2020, people voted for Trump because they did not want to admit they made a foolish mistake in 2016. But, hey, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind having your attractive bosomy daughter alone with him for the night. Grab ’em by the p—–, that’s what a true man does, right?

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    , @BB753
  71. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Factors involved: a more dangerous drug supply*, the reduction of funding for treatment and recovery support services**, and increased levels of social and economic stress due to the pandemic.

    *https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2021/drug-overdose-toll-2020-and-near-term-actions-addressing-it

    Deaths related to synthetic opioids played a large role in these explosive increases. Prepandemic research documented the rapid and deadly growth of fentanyl within the drug supply, including in combination with drugs like cocaine and methamphetamine. Researchers have pointed to elevated drug use and higher-risk usage — such as cutting or mixing drugs from an unreliable supply and using in isolation — as potential factors in the pandemic’s deadly surge.

    **https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/16/opioid-overdoses-have-skyrocketed-amid-the-coronavirus-but-states-are-nevertheless-slashing-addiction-treatment-program-budgets/

    Oregon is poised to slash \$69 million from the state’s 2021 budget for behavioral health services. Colorado has already cut \$26 million from its own. Georgia, New Jersey, Florida and Utah have also slashed millions for future substance use disorder programs, and in Minnesota, shortfalls in fees collected from pharmaceutical giants will translate into service reductions, too. Other states are paring back Medicaid funding that, nationwide, supports about 21% of the country’s spending on substance use disorder programs. Though the federal government earmarked \$425 million for behavioral health in its emergency coronavirus relief package, experts say the help won’t come close to filling the hole.

    The budget cuts — many spurred by state budget shortfalls wrought by the economic consequences of the coronavirus pandemic — will hit behavioral health services when they are needed most, addiction treatment advocates told STAT. At least 35 states have reported increases in opioid mortality rates. Relapses, overdoses, and the use of dangerous and unfamiliar synthetic drugs are also on the rise. Treatment facilities have had to cut capacity to adhere to social distancing requirements — increasing demand for the fewer spots available and squeezing facilities’ budgets at the same time.

  72. @epebble

    I think most fentanyl deaths are due to adulteration of fake opioid pills by cheap but potent fentanyl.

    I’ve read, but not reliably that this extends to other “pills” including benzodiazepines, fast acting Xanax was specifically mentioned as I recall. Given those are also CNS depressants and calm you down drugs cutting them with an opioid like fentanyl would make the base go further.

    But are people actually buying and taking hard-shelled capsules, that is “pills” which can be easily adulterated in the first place? Instead of solid tablets diverted from pharmaceutical companies? Or beyond investing in \$30 Magic Bullet blender not designed for powers are any drug dealers or their suppliers also pressing pills with suitable equipment and extra ingredients required???

    While I’m at it, I should mention that for some reason the CCP/PRC isn’t eager to stop supplying these extremely potent opioids or their precursors to the rest of the world through illegitimate channels…. Same for meth.

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  73. epebble says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    This is what they look like in local market:

    Weird thing is, Oregon has a fully legal Cannabis market where all kinds of Cannabis products are widely available. These kids could have easily bought any of those products for “recreation”.

    Recently, Oregon passed Measure 110, that essentially decriminalizes all drugs. We have to see if that can drive away this fake pill industry.

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  74. epebble says:
    @Steve Sailer

    they lose a customer.

    Do they lose themselves too due to occasional slip-ups? Someone whose “technology” is a blender is unlikely to be skilled in basic organic chemistry protocols.

  75. Britons do suicide rather than homicide, even so we have clusters. I live in Bridgend, the location of the biggest one of recent times. During the peak my son was in the age range and would get approached in the street by clipboard wielding do gooders who thought they might prevent his suicide which didn’t happen.

    Below is a Vanity Fair article by a reported who put a lot of effort into tracking down some case histories and recycling current stereotypes. Bridgend County has 80,000 people. Half live in the town. The town is prosperous despite an almost abandoned downtown (the place is surrounded by out of town shopping centres). The south of the county is very prosperous – no suicides. The north is distinctly poor but has very tight knit communities. People have relatives – 3rd cousins know each other well – rather tha friends. Parents think the Welsh language school is a way out due to academic success. As mentioned, more than a few of the suicides were at the Welsh school and may not have performed academically to expectations but that’s still not the whole cluster accounted for.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2009/02/wales-suicides200902

    There’s actually a movie about it.

    https://bridgendthemovie.com/

  76. Better review and trailer for the film Bridgend. Still not released in Wales. I should mention that at the time cannabis was very strong, very cheap and available in huge quantities. You couldn’t pass 16 years olds in a park or while jogging on the beach or the woods without smelling it. Very strong cannabis causes psychosis.

    https://www.filminquiry.com/bridgend-2015-review/

  77. JimDandy says:
    @Corvinus

    Trump was marveling at how women throw themselves at famous men (and it is a pretty astounding phenomenon). He’s a very rich very famous guy who banged a lot of hot young models. For most non-repressed heterosexual people who aren’t seething with Trump Derangement Syndrome this doesn’t seem very weird or reprehensible. And it’s certainly not strange behavior for the type of guy who tends to become President of the United States. Tell me, is it so much different in Israel? Where did Bibi’s son learn to talk like that?

    “Speaking of prostitutes, what’s open at this hour?” Yair Netanyahu asks his friends at one point on the recording. “It’s possible the waitresses there go with the flow.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  78. @epebble

    Without knowing the lighting and whatever the camera might bring out that the naked eye doesn’t seem, those pills all look counterfeit, overall not smooth. And half the characters in the one to the right aren’t fully pressed. Thanks!

    Although again I wonder who manufacturers these pills, just how low in the hierarchy that goes, like all the way to the guy with the \$30 blender for liquids?? And clouds of extremely potent raw(-ish) powdered opioids are anecdotally claimed to be very dangerous for overdoses, although I think I’ve heard that mostly or entirely about carfentanyl or perhaps another fentanyl analog that’s even more potent, ten to twenty times.

    That’s a research in single digit microgram quantities and veterinary medicine only drug, elephants, bears etc. are rather big in the context by tranquilizer dart, and Wikipedia says it was chosen because it has a high therapeutic index, that is the difference between an effective and toxic dose.

  79. Truth says:
    @Zero Philosopher

    People live their lives with no critical thought. It’s wake up in the morning, work at some job that makes you miserable so that you can buy a whole bunch of stuff that you don’t need.(the amount of work needed to purchase true necessities like food and shelter is minimum), find a mate so that you can breed and pass on your DNA to the next generation, then shrivel in your corner and die of old age without having questioned why you do all this stuff.

    It goes a whole lot deeper than that. And yes, it’s planned that way. Has been for centuries.

  80. @Steve Sailer

    For decades the OD death rate of heroin users was 1% per year. How much of that was suicide? Hard to say. When fentanyl showed up, it shot up. Last I checked (definitely before 2020) it was 4%. I’m pretty sure 90% of overdose deaths are accidents. But that leaves a lot of room for suicides.

  81. Corvinus says:
    @JimDandy

    “He’s a very rich very famous guy who banged a lot of hot young models.”

    That’s great, but he did that numerous times while married. I thought wholesome Christians found such perpetual depravity to be reprehensible. Apparently, principles to you don’t matter. Good to know.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  82. JimDandy says:
    @Corvinus

    I think most (not all, but most) wholesome Christians are not totally retarded. How many new Supreme Court justice appointments did Trump oversee, as opposed to the ones Hillary would have chosen? How many new wars did he start, as opposed to his “We came, we saw, he died (cackle-fistbump)” opponent who was on the campaign trail promising to effectively declare war on Russia? I could go on. And on.

  83. duncsbaby says:
    @J.Ross

    My respect to Yahoo for blaming George Floyd for the falling grades:

    The lottery system was born out of a long, contentious battle that began in the wake of George Floyd’s death.

  84. BB753 says:
    @Corvinus

    Hey, I wouldn’t like Hillary around my daughter either!

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