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From the Des Moines Register:
Iowa man sentenced to 16 years for setting LGBTQ flag on fire
Andrea May Sahouri, Gage Miskimen and Danielle Gehr, Dec. 19, 2019
An Ames man was sentenced Wednesday to about 16 years in prison after he set fire to a church LGBTQ flag in June.
Adolfo Martinez, 30, of Ames, last month was found guilty of a hate crime — a class “D” felony — third-degree harassment and reckless use of fire. Police said he stole a pride banner hanging at Ames United Church of Christ, 217 6th St., and burned it early June 11 outside Dangerous Curves Gentleman’s Club, 111 5th St.
Setting fire to a banner hanging on a building could be arson, but it doesn’t appear from this brief description that there was much chance of the fire spreading to a building.
… Story County Attorney Jessica Reynolds said hate crime charges were added because Martinez is suspected of criminal mischief against someone’s property because of “what it represents as far as sexual orientation.”
From Wikipedia on Flag Desecration:
The United States Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990), has ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipal) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as “symbolic speech.” However, content-neutral restrictions may still be imposed to regulate the time, place, and manner of such expression. If the flag that was burned was someone else’s property (as it was in the Johnson case, since Johnson had stolen the flag from a Texas bank’s flagpole), the offender could be charged with petty larceny (a flag usually sells at retail for less than USD 20), or with destruction of private property, or possibly both.
iSteve commenter Carolingian Leprechaun says:
Apparently it was a three strikes deal. He had 2 prior felony convictions.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.
Apparently it was a three strikes deal. He had 2 prior felony convictions.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.
Or an Israeli one.
https://www.rt.com/usa/476432-anti-semitism-concerns-fieldston-ny/
http://archive.md/EbKkI
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/295595/pride-and-prejudice-at-fieldston
An elite private school in the Bronx that costs $53,000 a year is being accused of failing to properly address complaints of discrimination and anti-Semitism made by Jewish students who reportedly say they’ve felt unsafe there.
Swastikas have reportedly been posted on the grounds of Fieldston School and a recent speaker argued that Holocaust survivors have turned into oppressors.
“If someone was coming to Fieldston to talk about apartheid and went off on a rant about the pea-sized brains of women who belong in a kitchen, or repeated racist tropes, or ranted about any form of homophobia or racism or sexism, immediately teachers would have stood up and said that’s not how we feel, that’s not an idea we share,” one parent told Tablet magazine.
The speaker in question, Kayum Ahmed of Columbia University Law School, visited the school late last month, and his lecture appears to have been the tipping point for students and parents.
Speaking on the subject of “victims becoming perpetrators,” Ahmed drew a direct correlation between the atrocities committed against Jewish people by Nazis and the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“Jews who suffered in the Holocaust and established the State of Israel today — they perpetuate violence against Palestinians that [is] unthinkable,” he said.
One teacher, J.B. Brager, who teaches a Holocaust elective, reportedly posted Twitter messages after the speaking event and gave support to the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions) movement.
“I refuse to ‘reaffirm the value’ of ethno-nationalist settler colonialism,” Brager wrote. “I support BDS and Palestinian sovereignty and I have for my entire adult life.”
After a series of complaints, the school reportedly sent out a letter saying it does not accept anti-Semitism or other forms of discrimination, but parents felt this didn’t go far enough.
Back in the 80s I attended an English university with regular Free Nelson Mandela discos. There were a group of black South Africans there as well as some students from Lesotho and Swaziland. I was present at one gathering when the SA blacks informed the people from the smaller countries that when apartheid was finished, they would also become part of black South Africa.
Good luck to you, said the students from Lesotho and Swazi, but we're happy with our own countries.
No, it'll be great for you, they were told. You'll join South Africa and be more free.
How can we be more free if we're compelled to lose our independence to you? they rationally argued.
This went on for a while. A Greek friend and I listened in and marvelled at the fact that people who, with some reason, regarded themselves as oppressed wasted absolutely no time in oppressing others as soon as they got the chance. Interestingly, the black SAs also regarded their forced absorption of neighbouring countries as 'justice'. At this point it is vital to understand the psychological process by which people feel fully justified in inflicting on others behaviours of which they themselves have complained, while pretending that it represents some kind of justice. But yes, it's a can of worms, because Hebrews.Replies: @J.Ross
Bolsheviks have won.
"Conservatives" had better wake up and realize that they're not living in a "free country"... they're living in the successor to the USSR, replete with show trials and politically-motivated sentences and incarcerations.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
Don’t worry. The ACLU will be stepping in to appeal this any day now. Right?
https://www.rt.com/usa/476432-anti-semitism-concerns-fieldston-ny/
http://archive.md/EbKkI
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/295595/pride-and-prejudice-at-fieldston
An elite private school in the Bronx that costs $53,000 a year is being accused of failing to properly address complaints of discrimination and anti-Semitism made by Jewish students who reportedly say they've felt unsafe there.
Swastikas have reportedly been posted on the grounds of Fieldston School and a recent speaker argued that Holocaust survivors have turned into oppressors.
"If someone was coming to Fieldston to talk about apartheid and went off on a rant about the pea-sized brains of women who belong in a kitchen, or repeated racist tropes, or ranted about any form of homophobia or racism or sexism, immediately teachers would have stood up and said that’s not how we feel, that’s not an idea we share,” one parent told Tablet magazine.
The speaker in question, Kayum Ahmed of Columbia University Law School, visited the school late last month, and his lecture appears to have been the tipping point for students and parents.
Speaking on the subject of “victims becoming perpetrators,” Ahmed drew a direct correlation between the atrocities committed against Jewish people by Nazis and the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“Jews who suffered in the Holocaust and established the State of Israel today — they perpetuate violence against Palestinians that [is] unthinkable,” he said.
One teacher, J.B. Brager, who teaches a Holocaust elective, reportedly posted Twitter messages after the speaking event and gave support to the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions) movement.
“I refuse to ‘reaffirm the value’ of ethno-nationalist settler colonialism,” Brager wrote. “I support BDS and Palestinian sovereignty and I have for my entire adult life.”
After a series of complaints, the school reportedly sent out a letter saying it does not accept anti-Semitism or other forms of discrimination, but parents felt this didn’t go far enough.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @rational actor
He’s worried about ethno-nationalism, and he teaches at a heavily Jewish school?
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
Then good on the law. Put him away. What do you want? For him to have more chances to knock up Latin broads?
Nearby in Indiana a woman gets 4 years in prison for mowing down and killing three kids who were getting on a school bus …plus a fourth kid who was put into critical condition has since had 20 surgeries.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck — obviously she didn’t slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should’ve gotten 20 years. But it’s 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior…
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kids
However, the more hard-hearted here can take comfort in looking at the victims' given names, and the differing surnames of the siblings, which suggest that the result was eugenic. HBD takes no prisoners.
With no intention, malice aforethought, 20 years is to much.
Dangerous Curves Gentleman’s Club is less perverse than the United Church of Christ.
In contrast, the United Church of Christ takes an institutional role that is supposed to be civilizing and works against civilization in every possible way--including promoting sexual perversity. Truely a nasty perverse institution.
I wonder if it is already illegal to burn an Israeli flag.
Well, it’s illustrative of the fundamental stupidity of the “coalition of the fringes,” and of intolerant utopianists who want to replace policy and personal success with conformity. Their own house is in disorder but they want to eliminate the First Amendment and send the law enforcers after straw men.
The hate crime charge is nonsense and would probably be overturned on appeal, given the Supreme Court’s 1989 decision (a decision in which Scalia, consistent with his principles, concurred — it was the right decision, so of course the moron Whizzer White dissented).
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.
Sixteen years is both immoral and insane.
https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/729A.2.pdf
The judge and prosecutor should be swinging from a lamp post.
https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/729A.2.pdf
The judge and prosecutor should be swinging from a lamp post.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade/Dissent_White
*praying to be eaten first intensifies*
Who will be eaten…FIRST?!:
https://jackchick.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/chick-parody-who-will-be-eaten-first/
The woman who killed my son last year in a car accident due to her massive negligence and incompetence just got a small fine….
J. Ross,
Re the situation at the Bronx school: it is interesting to see how one guy’s words were characterized by the reporter vs. what the guy actually said:
The reporter’s characterization:
Makes it sound as if the guy claimed that Israelis are as evil as the Nazis: which would be bizarre, since of course the Israelis do not want to murder all Palestinians; they just do not want Palestinians to have full rights, including the Right of Return, in Israel.
What the guy actually said:
Very different, basically accusing Israeli Jews of being hypocrites.
Hypocrisy is not good, but is is not genocide, which seems to be what the reporter’s paraphrase suggests.
Within the scientific community, it is taken for granted that if you speak to a journalist what you said will be misrepresented. Seems to be a general rule.
So yeah he does not mean that a particular theoretical Jewish man suffered in Eastern Europe, then got on a boat, founded a kibbutz in the Yishuv, and did the exact same stuff. He means The Jews Corporate experienced something and then lost the moral right to complain about it by effecting a similar thing (which is still moral nonsense).
Of course, there have never in history been six million Palestinians, so as long as the threshold is that magic number, there can be no parallels.
DIVERSITY! IT'S THE NEW ARISTOCRATS!Replies: @J.Ross
This is over a month old, apologies if it has already been posted, but seriously, you will feel drunk reading it.
Maybe Black Men Protect White Women Because We See Ourselves In Them
https://bit.ly/2OM3VBw
No matter what we believe about white women... the fact remains that they can kill us with as much efficiency and impunity as the white men we wish to become.
No a chance at success.
Re the situation at the Bronx school: it is interesting to see how one guy's words were characterized by the reporter vs. what the guy actually said:
The reporter's characterization:Makes it sound as if the guy claimed that Israelis are as evil as the Nazis: which would be bizarre, since of course the Israelis do not want to murder all Palestinians; they just do not want Palestinians to have full rights, including the Right of Return, in Israel.
What the guy actually said:Very different, basically accusing Israeli Jews of being hypocrites.
Hypocrisy is not good, but is is not genocide, which seems to be what the reporter's paraphrase suggests.
Within the scientific community, it is taken for granted that if you speak to a journalist what you said will be misrepresented. Seems to be a general rule.Replies: @J.Ross
What you’re seeing is not sloppiness but Semitism. We are no longer in America or the Bronx: we are in the Middle East, and this is a Middle Easterner, and therefore a representative of a Tribe, calling out the historical wrongs of a rival Middle Eastern Tribe, even though these wrongs might be as long-passed as the murder of Ali or the killing spree of the Malachis, and, most definitely, totally regardless of individual guilt. This is how tribalism really works.
So yeah he does not mean that a particular theoretical Jewish man suffered in Eastern Europe, then got on a boat, founded a kibbutz in the Yishuv, and did the exact same stuff. He means The Jews Corporate experienced something and then lost the moral right to complain about it by effecting a similar thing (which is still moral nonsense).
Of course, there have never in history been six million Palestinians, so as long as the threshold is that magic number, there can be no parallels.
DIVERSITY! IT’S THE NEW ARISTOCRATS!
Maccabees, not Malachis. Being an awful bigot they all look the same to me.
Apparently it was a three strikes deal. He had 2 prior felony convictions.
It’s not that difficult to contrive a formula for enhanced punishments given prior criminal history. It would appear that state legislatures are chock-a-block with innumerates who cannot compose or understand such formulae, so you get nonsense like three-strikes laws. Thanks, lawyers.
However, let's be clear about the cause here. Three strikes laws are a crude--"we've effing had enough!"--reaction to the reality that "progressive" judges and the legal system generally simple refuse to do the 2nd most basic job of government, take real crime seriously, remove criminals from society and punish them. (Just like progressives refuse to do the most basic job of government to protect the nation from invasion.)Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden
I thought this wouldn’t be a crime anymore unless the flag costed more than $999?
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
In California you are allowed to steal $950 dollars per day and only get a ticket. In Iowa you get 16 years for destroying a piece of property worth 25 bucks. Justice is not only blind, but kinda stupid.
That doesn’t include federal prisons, immigration detention, and pre-trial detention in county jails.
We’d have another 25,000 or so in prison if the feds had not forced the state to release prisoners due to severe overcrowding. Jerry and Kalama fought against the feds quite well and dragged out compliance, but eventually were forced to reduce the prison pop to 137.5% of the prison systems design capacity.
I think we should have either built prisons more or shipped the prisoners off to ICE for deportation or cheaper prisons in other states, or perhaps Mexico. But the state, notwithstanding occasional miscarriages like Kate Steinle, does lock criminals away regularly for a long time.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @obwandiyag
FIFY
Maybe Black Men Protect White Women Because We See Ourselves In Them
https://bit.ly/2OM3VBwReplies: @BenKenobi, @bomag, @El Dato
It makes sense with a Talmudic reading of the “in them” part.
JK Rowling is un-WOKE…..
After a Transphobic Tweet, J.K. Rowling Can No Longer Be Considered an LGBTQ Ally
https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/12/j-k-rowling-transphobia-terf-forstater.html
Rowling is toast. The state will seize all her money and copyright to the Potter stuff.
Never ever get on the bad side of trannies.
The suspect seems like a piece of sh!t. But the issue is that these laws are overwhelmingly weaponized against white people, even if the suspect happened to be Hispanic in this particular case.
Hate crime laws are basically Anti-White People Laws that are an excuse to throw the book at hapless white idiots, who would be better off serving a few months jail time for otherwise minor crimes.
Case in point: Kayla Rae North, mother of 3 small children, gets roped into a dumb White trash Confederate flag rally, where her baby daddy threatened a Black child’s birthday while holding a gun. Each group had wildly, differing accounts and no one was harmed. What’s her sentence for being in the passenger seat? 15 years.
https://www.rapsheetz.com/georgia/doc-prisoner/NORTON_KAYLA/1001973291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJRxkAOIv9Eß
“Adolfo Martinez” got what he deserved. He was probably an anti-semite and a holocaust denier anyway.
Maybe Black Men Protect White Women Because We See Ourselves In Them
https://bit.ly/2OM3VBwReplies: @BenKenobi, @bomag, @El Dato
Wow, that was some turgid stuff.
No matter what we believe about white women… the fact remains that they can kill us with as much efficiency and impunity as the white men we wish to become.
https://www.rt.com/usa/476432-anti-semitism-concerns-fieldston-ny/
http://archive.md/EbKkI
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/295595/pride-and-prejudice-at-fieldston
An elite private school in the Bronx that costs $53,000 a year is being accused of failing to properly address complaints of discrimination and anti-Semitism made by Jewish students who reportedly say they've felt unsafe there.
Swastikas have reportedly been posted on the grounds of Fieldston School and a recent speaker argued that Holocaust survivors have turned into oppressors.
"If someone was coming to Fieldston to talk about apartheid and went off on a rant about the pea-sized brains of women who belong in a kitchen, or repeated racist tropes, or ranted about any form of homophobia or racism or sexism, immediately teachers would have stood up and said that’s not how we feel, that’s not an idea we share,” one parent told Tablet magazine.
The speaker in question, Kayum Ahmed of Columbia University Law School, visited the school late last month, and his lecture appears to have been the tipping point for students and parents.
Speaking on the subject of “victims becoming perpetrators,” Ahmed drew a direct correlation between the atrocities committed against Jewish people by Nazis and the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
“Jews who suffered in the Holocaust and established the State of Israel today — they perpetuate violence against Palestinians that [is] unthinkable,” he said.
One teacher, J.B. Brager, who teaches a Holocaust elective, reportedly posted Twitter messages after the speaking event and gave support to the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions) movement.
“I refuse to ‘reaffirm the value’ of ethno-nationalist settler colonialism,” Brager wrote. “I support BDS and Palestinian sovereignty and I have for my entire adult life.”
After a series of complaints, the school reportedly sent out a letter saying it does not accept anti-Semitism or other forms of discrimination, but parents felt this didn’t go far enough.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @rational actor
Good for him. The notion of victim-as-perpetrator needs much more airtime.
Back in the 80s I attended an English university with regular Free Nelson Mandela discos. There were a group of black South Africans there as well as some students from Lesotho and Swaziland. I was present at one gathering when the SA blacks informed the people from the smaller countries that when apartheid was finished, they would also become part of black South Africa.
Good luck to you, said the students from Lesotho and Swazi, but we’re happy with our own countries.
No, it’ll be great for you, they were told. You’ll join South Africa and be more free.
How can we be more free if we’re compelled to lose our independence to you? they rationally argued.
This went on for a while. A Greek friend and I listened in and marvelled at the fact that people who, with some reason, regarded themselves as oppressed wasted absolutely no time in oppressing others as soon as they got the chance. Interestingly, the black SAs also regarded their forced absorption of neighbouring countries as ‘justice’. At this point it is vital to understand the psychological process by which people feel fully justified in inflicting on others behaviours of which they themselves have complained, while pretending that it represents some kind of justice. But yes, it’s a can of worms, because Hebrews.
The ultimate proof of the brotherhood of man.
I saw this at Sputnik, was going to post it. Steve, this goes back to your often forgotten original theory of a awhile back on Oppression Pokemon points, who’s holding, who isn’t. This guy was Hispanic, but a male. Not so many points. More points than the average White guy, however. He’d get less than 15 for killing a White guy. But nowhere NEAR the number of Pokemon Points of gays and the trans-folk of a church. The more Oppression boxes checked, the greater the points and the bar is always moving. Blacks can kick the shit outta White women, hardly a peep. Blacks beat the Jews in Brooklyn on a daily basis, all’s quiet, just a few teens. Weinstein HAD points, but his depravities cost him points. If you observe based on Pokemon Oppression points, who’s holding and why and watch carefully, you can follow the trends and see just who’s who and why. And, folks holding big points today can lose them in a few months.
Great little theory, your Pokemon Oppression Point system. You should have patented it as POPs. It is an excellent yardstick to gauge the depravities of human emotion in the Oppression community.
I have not clicked to read the story or look this guy up. But somehow I don’t think he is a native of Ames. Adolf Kleinschmidt maybe was a native of Ames. Adolfo is not.
Any info on his immigration status?
He should have framed it as a defense of overweight women against the gay dominated fashion industry. He burned it outside of “Dangerous Curves,” right?
OT but I believe this case has been discussed on this website-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238483208.html
American Airlines mechanic pleads guilty to sabotaging plane at Miami International
Not a terrorist!
My gut says we are going to see more and more of these incidents as time goes on.
Eventually there will be a stretch where there are several air crashes in short order due to sabotage or outright incompetent maintenance and the majority of folks will simply stop flying.
Yep.
“Conservatives” had better wake up and realize that they’re not living in a “free country”… they’re living in the successor to the USSR, replete with show trials and politically-motivated sentences and incarcerations.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck --- obviously she didn't slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should've gotten 20 years. But it's 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kidsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Polynikes, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Yngvar
Whereas had she texted a topless picture of herself to their eager 17-year-old schoolmate, she’d’ve gotten three to five times that sentence. Our priorities…
However, the more hard-hearted here can take comfort in looking at the victims’ given names, and the differing surnames of the siblings, which suggest that the result was eugenic. HBD takes no prisoners.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck --- obviously she didn't slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should've gotten 20 years. But it's 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kidsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Polynikes, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Yngvar
Didn’t the guy in Charlottesville get about 100 times that sentence?
In California you can be an illegal alien with five deportations and a felony record, shoot a white woman dead with a gun reported stolen from a Federal law enforcement officer, and get off scot-free…
I guess Karl Rove was right about Latinos being natural conservatives.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Ligozzi_%28Una_quimera%29.jpg/1200px-Ligozzi_%28Una_quimera%29.jpg
Please allow me to recycle a comment from four years ago this week:
“Yes, but as the late Steve Landesberg added about the (imaginary) hit song Spitting on the Flag, ‘Catchy, though…’”
Like Jew, blacks, and Mohammedans, gays are more equal than straight white people.
I am very interested in this man’s facial hair. Mestizos tend not to let it grow out like, y’know, a certain other group. Similarly, mestizos might generally be violently homophobic, but only when confronted (such as when a younger brother demonstrates effeminate tendencies). Has anyone nailed down his religion?
You can hear Adolpho speaking, and see him gesticulating, in the video here (1:05 mark), including this exchange:Clearly he did not have legal counsel present to advise him not to -- uh -- say that.
Here are the visual highlights of the local press report (for those unwilling to click and sit through their advertisement), including his clean-shaven look:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnU8AAv3iI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqlUUAYxZ5s.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnUYAAOXaK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqpVUAAN0Z4.jpgReplies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @George
You can’t be prosecuted for wiping your nose on the flag, perhaps, but you might get coldcocked by an angry Vietnam War veteran with three combat tours, shot three times (once in the face), because he was “having fun over there” and experiencing “the best da**ed hunting I ever had in my life“. (I know this because my father and his co-workers once had to go post bail for said veteran so they could all finish their appointed tasks for the day).
I see that Story County, Iowa, which is dominated by Ames, was 0.8% Hispanic on the 1980 census; large shares of even that tiny figure will have been students at the college without local ties who would not stick around, and the rest legacy-white old-stock Hispanic/Spaniards.
I feel confident the Story County number in 1980 would round down to 0% (perhaps very close to 0.0%) if counting only mestizo/Amerinds. Story County broke the 3% line Hispanic resident line in the mid-2010s, according to the Iowa government’s numbers.
I see next-door Marshall County, Iowa, is estimated at 20-25% Hispanic, and estimated to be 50% Hispanic by 2050. Up from 0.7% Hispanic in 1980. What’s that about?…
Anyway, maybe the best bet here is that this Mr. Adolfo Martinez (b.1989) is the child of one of those Marshall County cheap-labor Hispanics who came in ca. 1990s.
I don't know if this applies to Iowa, though. Ames is home to Iowa State, "Moo U", and is thus a typical college town of that stripe. More homespun than the state's flagship, but hardly typical of rural counties.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck --- obviously she didn't slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should've gotten 20 years. But it's 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kidsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Polynikes, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Yngvar
I’m familiar with this case. It’s a little more complicated than that. It was really foggy and she claims she thought it was a farm implement from the lights–something very common in that area at that time of year and something you simply go around. No doubt she messed up though, and the jury found so criminally. Otoh, she either worked at the school or church, was by all accounts a very upstanding member of the community, and very remorseful. Remorseful probably isn’t even the right word–I think there was serious concerns of suicide because her mental state was so bad due to the guilt and grief. In other words, this was an accident and one that has really affected the whole small community. I’m not sure a twenty year sentence is profoundly more just here than a four year one.
California has a 130,000 incarcerated people in the state system, including 4.6% of its total black male population.
That doesn’t include federal prisons, immigration detention, and pre-trial detention in county jails.
We’d have another 25,000 or so in prison if the feds had not forced the state to release prisoners due to severe overcrowding. Jerry and Kalama fought against the feds quite well and dragged out compliance, but eventually were forced to reduce the prison pop to 137.5% of the prison systems design capacity.
I think we should have either built prisons more or shipped the prisoners off to ICE for deportation or cheaper prisons in other states, or perhaps Mexico. But the state, notwithstanding occasional miscarriages like Kate Steinle, does lock criminals away regularly for a long time.
https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilean_Eòin
As it is, it's more than the U.S. Virgins, American Samoa, or the Northern Marianas, and closing in on Guam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population#State_rankings
Oh, no. That would require you to keep two different thoughts in your brain simultaneously.
Fat chance.
I’ll just leave this here.
I believe that 16 years was the sentence for the Somali piece of shit who threw a young Caucasian boy over a balcony at the Mall of America up here in Little Mogadishu. It might have been 18 years, can’t rightly recollect.
It would seem that in the land of the free and home of the brave an attack on a young child results in the same penalty as destruction of a flag which is supposed to represent the coalition of degenerate sodomites who along with their symbols appear to be have special status under the law.
I do not recognize this country. I am glad I am near the end of my days but I grieve for my sons and daughter and the normalization of degenerate behavior which will be the world they inhabit.
Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning between the good and the evil, and unless the good in our nation has been snuffed out, the wicked will be like weeds gathered and cast into the fire, and the good like crops that come to seed and repopulate the land.Replies: @Enemy of Earth
This is all so depressing and blackpilling. Is there any reason for hope? I’m worried about my sanity. I GIVE UP!!!
Don't give up.
Look at all the great things happening in Central and Eastern Europe including Mother Russia Reborn.
Lenigrad is once again St. Petersburg.
When I'm feeling depressed about sh*#&$ like this in IOWA - no less, I look at videos or Russian Cossacks confronting Pussy Riot protesters at the Russian Winter Olympics. The Pussy Riot #*($&@ tried to do the sh*#& they always get away with in Western Europe - invade Catholic Christian cathedrals, take off their clothes and play cult marxist punk music. Well look what happens to them when they tried that sh*# in Vladimir Putin's Russia reborn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozhx7TirRg
After pepper spraying these bitc&##@ and whipping them with Cossack whips, the Cossacks call them "American Whores".
How great is that?!
I think Vladimir Putin also ordered these Pussy Riot protesters to do some hard labor in a Siberian forced labor camp!
Yeah baby!
Also look at these Cossack military training schools for 5 year olds in Mother Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8WaXjOfmxI
let's start some of these Cossack schools in Tennessee and Missouri.
When the case was circulating around local media, Adolpho was interviewed by a local TV beat reporter, to whom he bragged, quote, “It was an honor to do that! It was blessing from the Lord.”
You can hear Adolpho speaking, and see him gesticulating, in the video here (1:05 mark), including this exchange:
Clearly he did not have legal counsel present to advise him not to — uh — say that.
Here are the visual highlights of the local press report (for those unwilling to click and sit through their advertisement), including his clean-shaven look:
That picture is actually from his mugshot, Charge: FAILURE TO APPEAR-NON FELONY ARR(SERIOUS). https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Iowa/Story-County-IA/Adolfo-Martinez.180320603.html
In Iowa, misdemeanor assault is elevated to serious if there is bodily injury or Hate.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/iowa-misdemeanor-assault-laws.htm
I am amused that he is wearing a shirt he likely got from his landscaper employer. Martinez is probably the least expensive laborer JJ landscaping could find. I suspect, using stereotypes, that gay protestants are disproportionately likely to hire landscapers. So the police and hate crimes laws are being used to manage third world slave laborers.
Growing a beard and confessing + burning a gay flag? Is Martinez nuts or just trying to get canned for as long as possible without hurting anyone, or a little of both?Replies: @Hail
Its a interesting point. I still find it truly remarkable that the Democrats “coalition of the fringes” can even exist in its current state.
You can hear Adolpho speaking, and see him gesticulating, in the video here (1:05 mark), including this exchange:Clearly he did not have legal counsel present to advise him not to -- uh -- say that.
Here are the visual highlights of the local press report (for those unwilling to click and sit through their advertisement), including his clean-shaven look:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnU8AAv3iI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqlUUAYxZ5s.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnUYAAOXaK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqpVUAAN0Z4.jpgReplies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @George
I wonder if you are familiar with the novels of Chris Hernandez. One is (spoiler) about a military land invasion of the American South by Muslim Jihadists, who throw everyone off the scent because they’re mestizo and speak the key phrases in Spanish.
Adolpho seems to me more like a garden-variety, low-prospects, disgruntled-young-male type. Come to think of it, that does put him into the profile of one ripe for targeting for recruitment by jihadis or the like...Replies: @J.Ross
This is just another sign we’ve entered the age of collective insanity.
Back in my puppy days, I voraciously devoured everything Robert Heinlein wrote. He posited a ‘future history’ for the United States that included something called ‘the crazy years.’
I thought it sounded improbable.
I was wrong.
‘Then good on the law. Put him away. What do you want? For him to have more chances to knock up Latin broads?’
Classic. ‘First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so…’
There have been migrant workers in Minnesota and the Dakotas for generations. Their kids often attended schools. They were less exotic in rural areas than in the cities, until recently.
I don’t know if this applies to Iowa, though. Ames is home to Iowa State, “Moo U”, and is thus a typical college town of that stripe. More homespun than the state’s flagship, but hardly typical of rural counties.
That doesn’t include federal prisons, immigration detention, and pre-trial detention in county jails.
We’d have another 25,000 or so in prison if the feds had not forced the state to release prisoners due to severe overcrowding. Jerry and Kalama fought against the feds quite well and dragged out compliance, but eventually were forced to reduce the prison pop to 137.5% of the prison systems design capacity.
I think we should have either built prisons more or shipped the prisoners off to ICE for deportation or cheaper prisons in other states, or perhaps Mexico. But the state, notwithstanding occasional miscarriages like Kate Steinle, does lock criminals away regularly for a long time.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @obwandiyag
That would almost qualify as a province in Canada.
https://gd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilean_Eòin
As it is, it’s more than the U.S. Virgins, American Samoa, or the Northern Marianas, and closing in on Guam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population#State_rankings
You can hear Adolpho speaking, and see him gesticulating, in the video here (1:05 mark), including this exchange:Clearly he did not have legal counsel present to advise him not to -- uh -- say that.
Here are the visual highlights of the local press report (for those unwilling to click and sit through their advertisement), including his clean-shaven look:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnU8AAv3iI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqlUUAYxZ5s.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnUYAAOXaK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqpVUAAN0Z4.jpgReplies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @George
Another proud Clownworld moment brought to you by the 19th Amendment.
I'm practical terms-- not that instituting it would be practical-- the best solution would be to have women's suffrage for a half-century, then a moratorium, and so on. That way, each sex could wipe up the messes made by the other.
Wilson was a major mess.Replies: @Desiderius
He should have bought his own flag to burn.
As one observer noted in another context:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/washington-post-first-amendment-shouldnt-apply-to-states-censoring-political-speech-they-hate/#comment-3530268
I was born six blocks north of the church, in Mary Greeley hospital, and 18 years later went to college at Iowa State. My first apartment was about a mile south of there. Iowa State is a beautiful campus and Ames is a lovely little college town.
None of these facts explain why a church is flying a gay flag.
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
Let’s call it theft and vandalism. He’s been in the county jug since June. Time served seems quite sufficient. Maybe with his being a twice-convicted felon, they want to send him away for a year, or two? OK, I guess, although seems like a waste to me.
Sixteen years is both immoral and insane.
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
Right. Even if we accept the state’s “hate crime” statute, it still says that the state has to prove that the Mexican (1) knew who owned the flag and (2) burned the flag because of the person’s race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age, or disability, or the person’s association with a person of a certain race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age, or disability.
https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/729A.2.pdf
The judge and prosecutor should be swinging from a lamp post.
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
Right. Even if we accept the state’s “hate crime” statute, it still says that the state has to prove that the Mexican (1) knew who owned the flag and (2) burned the flag because of the person’s race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age, or disability, or the person’s association with a person of a certain race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, political affiliation, sex, sexual orientation, age, or disability.
https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/729A.2.pdf
The judge and prosecutor should be swinging from a lamp post.
Shouldn’t the “Christian” church in question forgive him?
“Third degree harassment”? Sounds like a “gotcha!” charge for Witchfinder Generals to run up the score in the legal persecution of dissidents.
The name “Adolph” is most common among Sephardic Jews and Crypto-Jews. .
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
So? 16 years for flag theft is insane, even for a previously convicted criminal. This is like a community service, probation and a fine level crime.
Where are all the criminal justice advocates concerned about brown and black people being imprisoned at high rates? This flag burning guy appears to be a brown Hispanic.
Also how come in liberal areas 50 percent of Protestant churches fly gay pride flags? In a lot of New England and upper Midwest small cities there are more gay pride flags on the churches than in the bars, including the gay bars.
What an idiot! All he had to do was just just smash some LGBT person over the head with a bicycle lock, and then say he thought that person was a white male.
It's not that difficult to contrive a formula for enhanced punishments given prior criminal history. It would appear that state legislatures are chock-a-block with innumerates who cannot compose or understand such formulae, so you get nonsense like three-strikes laws. Thanks, lawyers.Replies: @AnotherDad
I basically agree with you Art.
However, let’s be clear about the cause here. Three strikes laws are a crude–“we’ve effing had enough!”–reaction to the reality that “progressive” judges and the legal system generally simple refuse to do the 2nd most basic job of government, take real crime seriously, remove criminals from society and punish them. (Just like progressives refuse to do the most basic job of government to protect the nation from invasion.)
But all the strict on crime laws are being overthrown.
Men wanting to “admire” the bodies of young fertile women is entirely natural and healthy. In a civilized society that desire is channelled into and through a strong culture of getting young men and women married to each other to reinforce civilization. The strip club is simply an unfortunate outgrowth of the breakdown in civilized cultural norms, properly channelling of male sexual desire (lust).
In contrast, the United Church of Christ takes an institutional role that is supposed to be civilizing and works against civilization in every possible way–including promoting sexual perversity. Truely a nasty perverse institution.
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
White may have botched this case, but his dissent in Roe shows he grasped the absolutely critical understaning and discipled required for judicial review in a free society: the ability to rule by the law and not impose his personal aganda:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade/Dissent_White
In the UK, the foulest of foul murderers, during the ‘liberal’ sentencing days of the 1970s didn’t even get to serve 16 years in jail.
So, one definitely knows the woke establishments hierarchy of heinousness.
Mind you, I am not 100% unsympathetic to their motivation. They were retaliating for GB's involvement in wars where their own people were killed. Amerika's Wars.
Maybe Black Men Protect White Women Because We See Ourselves In Them
https://bit.ly/2OM3VBwReplies: @BenKenobi, @bomag, @El Dato
A black man trying to write like a Jewish postmodern philosopher.
No a chance at success.
However, let's be clear about the cause here. Three strikes laws are a crude--"we've effing had enough!"--reaction to the reality that "progressive" judges and the legal system generally simple refuse to do the 2nd most basic job of government, take real crime seriously, remove criminals from society and punish them. (Just like progressives refuse to do the most basic job of government to protect the nation from invasion.)Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden
I occasionally read the posts of Tom McKenna, a prosecutor-blawger from Richmond. One of his contentions is that a long-term goal of the public interest bar is to get mandatory minimums declared unconstitutional, in effect to have comprehensive judicial discretion over sentencing. Theodore Dalrymple has been writing with disgust for years about the conduct of British judges. One of the sociological mysteries of our time is how the legal profession and in particular the judiciary came to be such a collecting pool of people who have such an indulgent attitude toward feral young men. It’s as if we recruited our judges from the ranks of dippy social workers.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
What were “Iowa man” Adolfo Martinez’s 2 prior felonies?
And his punishments?
Any misdemeanors thrown in there?
Is he an illegal or anchor baby?
Inquiring goyim want know.
Justice is not only blind, but extremely stupid.
FIFY
None of these facts explain why a church is flying a gay flag.Replies: @Romanian
It is their religion, I guess.
This is not a typical flag burning case, because the individual i.) burned the stolen property of another person, ii.) “recklessly” burned it – don’t know if this means without a fire permit or under more menacing circumstances (e.g. likely to catch the neighborhood on fire), and the sentence sounds like it has everything to do with a three strikes law. It’s not some college kid without a rap sheet burning their own LGBT flag in protest.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck --- obviously she didn't slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should've gotten 20 years. But it's 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kidsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Polynikes, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Yngvar
Just another benefit of “free” public education and forced busing.
Yeah, and also who sets up a bus route so that the kids wait across the street from where the bus stops? The kids were beautiful, and I miss them, but I don’t have enough facts to say the driver got off light.
I haven’t heard of that author; plausible as a general idea, but it would be a highly unique take on jihadism to run a one-man, gay-flag-tearing-down operation.
Adolpho seems to me more like a garden-variety, low-prospects, disgruntled-young-male type. Come to think of it, that does put him into the profile of one ripe for targeting for recruitment by jihadis or the like…
Completely disagree. You're talking about the CIA's brilliant schemes and I'm talking about Islam. Islam generates (in fact it religiously requires) little tantrums of righteousness every day. This is the actual reason why there are constant, minor, disorganized terrorist acts all over the Muslim world all the time. A believer is supposed to be angry about disrespect to God and to react to it right away.Replies: @Hail, @Colin Wright
By the way, has anyone been jailed for tearing down any Confederate or other historical monuments in the past few years?
Just wondering if we can get a slice of this Iowa prosecutress’ enthusiasm for jailing tearers-down-of-things done with political malice.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238483208.html
American Airlines mechanic pleads guilty to sabotaging plane at Miami International
Not a terrorist!Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Reg Cæsar
Great catch.
My gut says we are going to see more and more of these incidents as time goes on.
Eventually there will be a stretch where there are several air crashes in short order due to sabotage or outright incompetent maintenance and the majority of folks will simply stop flying.
Yup.
Look at that Becky in the last photo proclaiming the guy, “extremely dangerous,” for burning a flag.
Also curious as to why La Raza and MeCha are not protesting this sentence. Maybe in the near future?
On the other hand, it gave us Warren Harding, our greatest president. Or least damaging, anyway.
I’m practical terms– not that instituting it would be practical– the best solution would be to have women’s suffrage for a half-century, then a moratorium, and so on. That way, each sex could wipe up the messes made by the other.
Wilson was a major mess.
Could be just the pill addling their brains. Once that's cleared up maybe they end up voting better than men on average. They'll probably repeal the 19th then so we'll never know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238483208.html
American Airlines mechanic pleads guilty to sabotaging plane at Miami International
Not a terrorist!Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Reg Cæsar
What? He’s working on planes, and can’t do English? Or is his Spanish sufficient? This is Miami, after all.
Maybe he’s simply being careful. Robert Kyncl of YouTube reports in his book that when he was negotiating with Psy to introduce him to a Western audience, the Korean star employed a translator. When the paperwork was finished, Psy surprised his hosts by addressing them in perfectly fine English.
“I went to Berklee.”
[Sic.] (As did Billy Squier.) Kyncl didn’t say if Psy spoke with a Hahvahd Yahd accent.
Berklee College of Music now accept a laptop with controller as instruments
I’m completely opposed to “hate crime” laws
The continuing slide of Western civilization:
Berklee College of Music now accept a laptop with controller as instruments
So, one definitely knows the woke establishments hierarchy of heinousness.Replies: @Liza
I guess things have improved in England, then, because the 2 Nigerian murderers of Lee Rigby in 2013 got 45 years and whole life sentences. But we shall see if those sentences stand. I suspect not. Some powerful muslims will pull strings, etc. etc. Just wait and see.
Mind you, I am not 100% unsympathetic to their motivation. They were retaliating for GB’s involvement in wars where their own people were killed. Amerika’s Wars.
Adolpho seems to me more like a garden-variety, low-prospects, disgruntled-young-male type. Come to think of it, that does put him into the profile of one ripe for targeting for recruitment by jihadis or the like...Replies: @J.Ross
>highly unique
Completely disagree. You’re talking about the CIA’s brilliant schemes and I’m talking about Islam. Islam generates (in fact it religiously requires) little tantrums of righteousness every day. This is the actual reason why there are constant, minor, disorganized terrorist acts all over the Muslim world all the time. A believer is supposed to be angry about disrespect to God and to react to it right away.
Aside from their other shortcomings, Islamophobes are tedious.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
There is more to this story. Near the end of the video the announcer mentions that two other people were charged in the incident (whatever it was), but they pleaded guilty and are serving shorter sentences. This indicates that if they had given up their constitutional right to a trial, they would have been treated more leniently. Thus our criminal “justice” system is operated like an extortion racket… plead guilty or else.
Can readers here who have a good, fair and balanced knowledge of 20th century Russian history clear this up?
I’ve heard that during the 1st 20 years of the Soviet Union, after the Bolshevik coup de tat, anyone who said or wrote anything “Anti Semitic” anything anti Jewish like noticing the overwhelmingly ethnic Jewish background of most of the the original Soviet/Bolshevik leaders – that this crime carried the death penalty.
Is this true?
Who is the "anti-Semite"? Is is a surviving Imperialist White? An Orthodox priest? A devout peasant who prospers slightly better than his neighbors?
Or is it a party member in good standing, who is reading changes in the wind properly, and attributing production failures to wreckers and currency speculators?
I feel your pain.
Don’t give up.
Look at all the great things happening in Central and Eastern Europe including Mother Russia Reborn.
Lenigrad is once again St. Petersburg.
When I’m feeling depressed about sh*#&$ like this in IOWA – no less, I look at videos or Russian Cossacks confronting Pussy Riot protesters at the Russian Winter Olympics. The Pussy Riot #*($&@ tried to do the sh*#& they always get away with in Western Europe – invade Catholic Christian cathedrals, take off their clothes and play cult marxist punk music. Well look what happens to them when they tried that sh*# in Vladimir Putin’s Russia reborn.
After pepper spraying these bitc&##@ and whipping them with Cossack whips, the Cossacks call them “American Whores”.
How great is that?!
I think Vladimir Putin also ordered these Pussy Riot protesters to do some hard labor in a Siberian forced labor camp!
Yeah baby!
Also look at these Cossack military training schools for 5 year olds in Mother Russia.
let’s start some of these Cossack schools in Tennessee and Missouri.
I'm practical terms-- not that instituting it would be practical-- the best solution would be to have women's suffrage for a half-century, then a moratorium, and so on. That way, each sex could wipe up the messes made by the other.
Wilson was a major mess.Replies: @Desiderius
Woodrow or Edith?
Could be just the pill addling their brains. Once that’s cleared up maybe they end up voting better than men on average. They’ll probably repeal the 19th then so we’ll never know.
Hail, the big difference is that Ames is a college town, and Iowa State University of Science and Technology has a focus on.. you guessed it…Science and Technology, plus Engineering and Agriculture. Marshalltown, on the other hand, has a meat packing plant. Nuff said.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
Do you know what it costs to incarcerate someone for 16 years? This sentence is an abuse of taxpayers. If the guy has kids and now won’t be supporting them or paying taxes, it is a further abuse of the taxpayer money. Make the guy pay a fine. He can’t steal and destroy other people’s property just because they are degenerates.
So sorry for your loss.
There is nothing about this story that is right:
— Not the 16 year sentence. (At least not unless we are very hardline about everything.)
— Not this bogus “hate crime” statue.
— Not this “church” flying the fag flag.
— Not an “Iowa man” named Adolpho Martinez.
Only 4 years! The photo at link shows the severe damage to front end of her truck --- obviously she didn't slow down at all.
Vehicle driver behind her says the flashing lights and mechanical arm of the bus were clearly visible. Apparently there was no phone distraction. No intoxication. Hard to believe.
The killer of these kids should've gotten 20 years. But it's 4 years with presumably time off for good behavior...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-woman-sentenced-for-killing-3-kidsReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @istevefan, @Polynikes, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Yngvar
We put people away for being a nuisance to civilized society. We put people away because they’ve demonstrated with their actions that they really don’t want to be a part of a civil community. So we remove them from that, we do as they wish, and put them in prison.
With no intention, malice aforethought, 20 years is to much.
DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH
Members of New York’s Muslim Patrol recently became embroiled in a near-explosive altercation outside the Masjid Taqwa in Brooklyn with members of the Bloods, a notoriously violent gang.
The Muslim Patrol gained international attention in the fall of 2018 after several of its patrol cars — which look like New York Police Department (NYPD) cars –were spotted in Brooklyn and Staten Island.
On December 10, a verbal altercation began in the evening when a teenage boy allegedly “disrespected” a Muslim woman outside the Brooklyn mosque on Fulton Street. The boy did not touch the woman, bystanders say, but did speak to her.
A Muslim Patrol member grabbed the teen by the collar and threw him against the gate of the Masjid Taqwa, a local mosque. While the boy was pressed firmly against the fence, the Muslim Patrol member held him by the neck and lectured him.
After the rebuke, the boy complained to his father, who happens to be a senior member of the local Bloods. The father rallied six other Blood members to join him and went to Masjid Taqwa.
He raised his jacket and flashed that gun. Those dudes came out there to shoot up that Masjid. The father, he wanted to mess that MCP officer up.”
>“Dude, I’m going to bust in your f—— mouth if you ever put your hands on my child again.”
The situation escalated after the Muslim Patrol member called for backup. Soon, several Muslim Patrol cars arrived with sirens screaming and lights flashing.
The Bloods confronted the original Muslim Patrol member, who was quickly shoved into the mosque by his comrades to protect him.
The Bloods were shouting, ‘You all are running around here playing like you’re the real police. You all want to put your hands on these little kids. We don’t give a f— about your Masjid. F— your Masjid.”
As tensions rose, a NYPD patrol unit arrived.
As they dispersed, one Blood member turned and told the Muslim Patrol members, “This is not over. It’s just begun.”
https://archive.is/jnsUC
I’m very sorry for your trouble. I don’t think I could even cope.
I've heard that during the 1st 20 years of the Soviet Union, after the Bolshevik coup de tat, anyone who said or wrote anything "Anti Semitic" anything anti Jewish like noticing the overwhelmingly ethnic Jewish background of most of the the original Soviet/Bolshevik leaders - that this crime carried the death penalty.
Is this true?Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden
Anti-Semitism (and all racism) is always ostensibly banned by Communist states, it’s a central platform plank of Communism itself, regardless of who the leadership is ethnically. However, there’s a lot of problems regarding implementation, even before Stalin gets into power and decides that he wants to liquidate “Zionists” or “Cosmopolitans.” Anyone protected by the Communists is only protected until the Communists change their minds.
Who is the “anti-Semite”? Is is a surviving Imperialist White? An Orthodox priest? A devout peasant who prospers slightly better than his neighbors?
Or is it a party member in good standing, who is reading changes in the wind properly, and attributing production failures to wreckers and currency speculators?
The way to stop all flag burning is to use this “reckless use of fire”-statute, that Iowans have sensibly enacted.
This must be federalized immediately! /j
The part that amazes and sickens me about this story, is why isn’t the church itself asking for mercy?
These are not Christians.
It would seem that in the land of the free and home of the brave an attack on a young child results in the same penalty as destruction of a flag which is supposed to represent the coalition of degenerate sodomites who along with their symbols appear to be have special status under the law.
I do not recognize this country. I am glad I am near the end of my days but I grieve for my sons and daughter and the normalization of degenerate behavior which will be the world they inhabit.Replies: @GodHelpUs
You can monkey with man’s law but God’s law is the same today as it was at the beginning of time.
Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning between the good and the evil, and unless the good in our nation has been snuffed out, the wicked will be like weeds gathered and cast into the fire, and the good like crops that come to seed and repopulate the land.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
But you Rocket Scientists SUPPORT 3 strikes laws. Hell, you support 1 strike or less. So this is a good thing, according to you. More cognitive dissonance from the kings of it.
Martinez is guilty of theft and, probably, some fire violation.Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @S. Anonyia, @AnotherDad, @obwandiyag
Oh, bullshit. He deserves a medal.
That doesn’t include federal prisons, immigration detention, and pre-trial detention in county jails.
We’d have another 25,000 or so in prison if the feds had not forced the state to release prisoners due to severe overcrowding. Jerry and Kalama fought against the feds quite well and dragged out compliance, but eventually were forced to reduce the prison pop to 137.5% of the prison systems design capacity.
I think we should have either built prisons more or shipped the prisoners off to ICE for deportation or cheaper prisons in other states, or perhaps Mexico. But the state, notwithstanding occasional miscarriages like Kate Steinle, does lock criminals away regularly for a long time.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @obwandiyag
You could, uh, legalize or at least decriminalize drugs, duh.
Oh, no. That would require you to keep two different thoughts in your brain simultaneously.
Fat chance.
This “Iowa man” is being punished based solely upon his anti-homo political orientation and nothing else. Had he ripped down Gadsen flag of an Ames, IA patriotic organization and set it on fire most likely the prosecutor would have allowed him to plead those acts down to misdemeanors and if he/she did not then the judge would have thrown out the hate crime charge and sentenced him to the bare minimum or time served.
Prosecutors and judges are now left wing political commissars and charge and sentence according to a perpetrators political orientation, so attacking the fag flag is a big no-no. But they’ll cut you lots of slack if the targets are right of center.
Is it even statutorily possible to commit a hate crime against property?
This Mestizo’s hate crime will roll up against the white percentage in the FBI’s hate crime stats.
Still, a max sentence of 16 years for that is insane.Replies: @Anon, @Spangel, @Hypnotoad666, @Pat Kittle, @Joe Schmoe, @obwandiyag, @Dale Gribble
Although the defendant had prior convictions, charging him as an habitual offender is up to the prosecutor. Putting the “bitch” on him looks a lot like pandering to the Gayfia here.
Completely disagree. You're talking about the CIA's brilliant schemes and I'm talking about Islam. Islam generates (in fact it religiously requires) little tantrums of righteousness every day. This is the actual reason why there are constant, minor, disorganized terrorist acts all over the Muslim world all the time. A believer is supposed to be angry about disrespect to God and to react to it right away.Replies: @Hail, @Colin Wright
I guess you are suggesting the possibility that Adolpho Martinez is a closeted, self-made convert to Islam. Not impossible, but the only data we have are: (1) the scruffy beard, (2) his own words, in which he used the Christian phrase “[tearing down the gay flag] was blessing from the Lord.” Would a Muslim use “the Lord”? Is there more?
Google Maps has one mosque in Ames, Darul Arqum Islamic Center. Around six in Des Moines to the south.
Not enough evidence but it wouldn't surprise me if it started appearing.
Great question, but no. Icons of the political right are fair game, but I’ll bet if you tried to tear down an MLK statue you’d be in big trouble and if other MLK statues were endangered the Cohengress would pass a law within 24hrs making iconoclasm of civil rights statues federal felonies.
The govt thinks all their roads are perfectly designed when so many of them are poorly designed and dangerous. I wonder if anybody won a lawsuit against the govt for poorly designed roads.
Completely disagree. You're talking about the CIA's brilliant schemes and I'm talking about Islam. Islam generates (in fact it religiously requires) little tantrums of righteousness every day. This is the actual reason why there are constant, minor, disorganized terrorist acts all over the Muslim world all the time. A believer is supposed to be angry about disrespect to God and to react to it right away.Replies: @Hail, @Colin Wright
‘… Completely disagree. You’re talking about the CIA’s brilliant schemes and I’m talking about Islam. Islam generates (in fact it religiously requires) little tantrums of righteousness every day. This is the actual reason why there are constant, minor, disorganized terrorist acts all over the Muslim world all the time. A believer is supposed to be angry about disrespect to God and to react to it right away.’
Aside from their other shortcomings, Islamophobes are tedious.
“All this is by the generosity of my Lord” so yeah.
Not enough evidence but it wouldn’t surprise me if it started appearing.
https://i2.wp.com/stonetoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/flag-burning-comic.png?fit=1000%2C500
A leftwing church (of Progressivism) near me was flying a rainbow banner for a long time. Then mysteriously the church caught fire and was significantly damaged. Unfortunately the church was an old one and a hold over from a bygone era. I could not help but think that the fire was a judgment of God.
Nearby Marshall County must have a lot of slaughterhouses, canning, cheese and frozen food factories.
I've heard that during the 1st 20 years of the Soviet Union, after the Bolshevik coup de tat, anyone who said or wrote anything "Anti Semitic" anything anti Jewish like noticing the overwhelmingly ethnic Jewish background of most of the the original Soviet/Bolshevik leaders - that this crime carried the death penalty.
Is this true?Replies: @J.Ross, @Alden
Yes it is true. Anti Semitism was a death penalty offense. It’s in the memoirs of 1950s premier Kruschev. He wasn’t Jewish. But in the 1930s when he was massacring Ukrainian farm workers, he enforced the death penalty for anti semitism.
However, let's be clear about the cause here. Three strikes laws are a crude--"we've effing had enough!"--reaction to the reality that "progressive" judges and the legal system generally simple refuse to do the 2nd most basic job of government, take real crime seriously, remove criminals from society and punish them. (Just like progressives refuse to do the most basic job of government to protect the nation from invasion.)Replies: @Art Deco, @Alden
The three strikes and use a gun go to jail laws were the result of an intense and expensive lobbying campaign by district attorney, states attorney and police state and national associations.
But all the strict on crime laws are being overthrown.
From ‘Reason’ :
https://reason.com/2019/12/20/a-15-year-sentence-for-burning-a-stolen-gay-pride-flag-is-not-justice/
You can hear Adolpho speaking, and see him gesticulating, in the video here (1:05 mark), including this exchange:Clearly he did not have legal counsel present to advise him not to -- uh -- say that.
Here are the visual highlights of the local press report (for those unwilling to click and sit through their advertisement), including his clean-shaven look:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnU8AAv3iI.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqlUUAYxZ5s.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqnUYAAOXaK.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMM6fqpVUAAN0Z4.jpgReplies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius, @George
“his clean-shaven look”
That picture is actually from his mugshot, Charge: FAILURE TO APPEAR-NON FELONY ARR(SERIOUS). https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Iowa/Story-County-IA/Adolfo-Martinez.180320603.html
In Iowa, misdemeanor assault is elevated to serious if there is bodily injury or Hate.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/iowa-misdemeanor-assault-laws.htm
I am amused that he is wearing a shirt he likely got from his landscaper employer. Martinez is probably the least expensive laborer JJ landscaping could find. I suspect, using stereotypes, that gay protestants are disproportionately likely to hire landscapers. So the police and hate crimes laws are being used to manage third world slave laborers.
Growing a beard and confessing + burning a gay flag? Is Martinez nuts or just trying to get canned for as long as possible without hurting anyone, or a little of both?
Aside from their other shortcomings, Islamophobes are tedious.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
Truth hurts.
Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning between the good and the evil, and unless the good in our nation has been snuffed out, the wicked will be like weeds gathered and cast into the fire, and the good like crops that come to seed and repopulate the land.Replies: @Enemy of Earth
Belief in the Triune God and His unchanging holiness plus the continuing validity of His Law-Word keeps utter despair at bay.
I emailed a reporter from the Des Moines Register, asking about prior convictions and got this response:
So, four convictions in Texas.
What if this guy was otherwise “clean”, what then? In any event, this is gonna be appealed and knocked down. Too much posturing here from authorities seeking name recognition and higher office.
So yeah he does not mean that a particular theoretical Jewish man suffered in Eastern Europe, then got on a boat, founded a kibbutz in the Yishuv, and did the exact same stuff. He means The Jews Corporate experienced something and then lost the moral right to complain about it by effecting a similar thing (which is still moral nonsense).
Of course, there have never in history been six million Palestinians, so as long as the threshold is that magic number, there can be no parallels.
DIVERSITY! IT'S THE NEW ARISTOCRATS!Replies: @J.Ross
>Malachis.
Maccabees, not Malachis. Being an awful bigot they all look the same to me.
Back in the 80s I attended an English university with regular Free Nelson Mandela discos. There were a group of black South Africans there as well as some students from Lesotho and Swaziland. I was present at one gathering when the SA blacks informed the people from the smaller countries that when apartheid was finished, they would also become part of black South Africa.
Good luck to you, said the students from Lesotho and Swazi, but we're happy with our own countries.
No, it'll be great for you, they were told. You'll join South Africa and be more free.
How can we be more free if we're compelled to lose our independence to you? they rationally argued.
This went on for a while. A Greek friend and I listened in and marvelled at the fact that people who, with some reason, regarded themselves as oppressed wasted absolutely no time in oppressing others as soon as they got the chance. Interestingly, the black SAs also regarded their forced absorption of neighbouring countries as 'justice'. At this point it is vital to understand the psychological process by which people feel fully justified in inflicting on others behaviours of which they themselves have complained, while pretending that it represents some kind of justice. But yes, it's a can of worms, because Hebrews.Replies: @J.Ross
Chelovek — volk cheloveku.
The ultimate proof of the brotherhood of man.
Thanks for doing that.
That picture is actually from his mugshot, Charge: FAILURE TO APPEAR-NON FELONY ARR(SERIOUS). https://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Iowa/Story-County-IA/Adolfo-Martinez.180320603.html
In Iowa, misdemeanor assault is elevated to serious if there is bodily injury or Hate.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/iowa-misdemeanor-assault-laws.htm
I am amused that he is wearing a shirt he likely got from his landscaper employer. Martinez is probably the least expensive laborer JJ landscaping could find. I suspect, using stereotypes, that gay protestants are disproportionately likely to hire landscapers. So the police and hate crimes laws are being used to manage third world slave laborers.
Growing a beard and confessing + burning a gay flag? Is Martinez nuts or just trying to get canned for as long as possible without hurting anyone, or a little of both?Replies: @Hail
Thanks, good comment and observations; I see there is a landscaper by that name based in Ankeny, south of Ames and said to be the best place to live in Iowa as of the 2010s, but Adolpho’s yellow t-shirt also appears to say “El Paso, TX,” where there is a large J & J Landscaping founded in the 1980s and going strong today.
From his use of English, I think he is a native speaker of (a Hispanicized) English. Is Adolpho from Texas? If so, why/how/when did he move to Iowa?
And based on that link to his mugshot page, he is born on March 12, 1989, and his name is spelled Adolfo, not Adolpho, which Iowa press had been using.
Great info, Len;
March 2008 (the month he turned 19) to May 2013 (two months after turning 24).
That narrows down the answer range to my question
This criminal record info puts him in Texas through 2013 at least. Did he serve jail time for the theft conviction in 2013?
He was still wearing his (?) Texas landscaping t-shirt in mid 2019. How recent of an arrival might he have been in Iowa? Why Iowa?
We of course do not live in a nation of laws, but I still expect Martinez has enough pokemon points to get the hate crime enhancement overturned. It’s obvious that burning a rainbow flag is as much political speech as burning an American one.
As to the silence of MEChA and similar Hispanic ethnic pressure groups… see George Zimmerman.
It is of course common that the flags burned are first stolen. The guy who touched off the garage melee in Charlottesville by stealing a Confederate flag was videoed earlier in the day using his hairspray flamethrower to burn a different Confederate flag, presumably stolen. Didn’t he get a medal?