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A reader writes:

Thanks for the piece on Ahmaud Arbery. The mainstream media coverage is Orwellian and maddening. You might be interested in the HBO series “Atlanta” which is trying to re-litigate the Atlanta child murders and blame it on the KKK. (Obsession with Nazis appears in at least 2 different TV shows). There is footage showing Atlanta locals being stoked up and commenting that the killer had to be white. The city police department is still spending cash looking for a truly Great White Defendant.

It’s informative to notice what is and isn’t a Conspiracy Theory. That the Atlanta child murders of 1979-1981 were committed by a Lone Wolf is pretty reasonable, but he was a black Lone Wolf. So therefore it’s extremely respectable to attribute to the vast but hidden machinations of the KKK, which as the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is as we all know a sort of Institutional Lone Wolf bravely fighting singlehandedly against Organized Hate, is everywhere.

 
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  1. Trinity says:

    I watched the series and a Black guy who was a child back then identifies that it was Wayne Williams who tried to abduct him. IF Williams wasn’t guilty of all the murders, he was definitely guilty of some of the murders. One of the kids was abducted out of their home if I remember right. Now let me tell you, no White person in their right mind is going to go through the projects in Atlanta, not in 1980 and not in 2020. MORE THAN LIKELY Wayne Williams killed a good portion of those people or he killed every single one of them. IF Williams didn’t kill all of them, chances are the perp was back either way.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    , @Bugg
  2. Arclight says:

    I think the Netflix show Mindhunter touches on this – as in the protagonists know it is a black serial killer but run into local politics that don’t want to admit little black boys are being killed by one of their own.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  3. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Trump launches awesome new frontal attack in The Great Chloroquine War.

    CNN’s Sanjay Gupta —- dedicated servant of Satan —- reduced to incoherent babbling live on air all day and maybe all week month year…

    “Sad!”

  4. Jesse says:

    In fairness, a lot of LE suspect that at least some of the kids attributed to the lone wolf were actually murdered by family members. So there might be some minor conspiracies but, again, they’re the wrong ones. I defer to LE on that one but suspect some were random lone kidnappings where the killers got very, very lucky.

    If you read the Mindhunter books, the FBI figured our right away that any white guy milling around these hoods would be noticed right away. (The writer makes a big effort to state that it was a black agent schooling the white guys who had never, perish the thought, considered the existence of racially segregated areas, but there’s no way they were that clueless.)

    To sum up: the guy convicted of the killings is guilty of at least some of the murders. But there really are some very bad people who went free, so it’s not wrong for LE to take advantage of new tech and try to find them. (They seem to enjoy clearing really old cases.) And, to be fair, the police and prosecutors seemed to have been very responsible about it. It’s not their fault the media is full of knobs.

    • Thanks: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Lugash
  5. OT,but the rule if three seems to be exerting itself. We have lost Jerry Stiller,Fred Willard and now Ken Osmond.
    Jerry,Fred and Ken. JFK. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  6. Peterpaul says:

    My father, an old lawyer from Atlanta, shared office space with the prosecutors in the matter. He told me many years ago that the prosecutors told him that the facts were far more gruesome than could be reported out of a sense of decency to the victims’ family. Simply put, WW was involved in making snuff films, possibly “made to order”, with an accomplice but they could never pin it on the accomplice.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  7. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Since there aren’t nearly enough Great White Defendants in the present, the past must be retconned. Continuously. Obnoxiously. Perpetually.

    • Replies: @Bugg
  8. jb says:

    Possibly of interest: reviewer Rebecca Carroll seems to really, really resent André Leon Talley for not doing blackness right, or something. E.g.:

    Thanks to a letter of introduction from a friend’s father, Talley landed an apprenticeship with the former Vogue editor Diana Vreeland. He writes: “She must have loved the idea of my presence, the combination of my looks, tall and honey colored; my impeccable manners and grooming; and my blossoming unorthodox style. Plus my master’s degree!”

    Talley is not exactly honey-colored, but choosing a euphemistic description for the color of black skin has long been a way to make blackness less black to white people. Still, it’s the bit about his master’s degree that’s most soul-crushing — the Studio 54 version of W. E. B. Du Bois’s black double consciousness: Let me in! I’m not black, I’m honey-colored! And I’m articulate and clean and educated!

  9. J.Ross says:

    The Atlanta murders were of course really about pederasty (like the park in the movie Mystic River, pedos were cruising the ghetto for boys looking for some extra money, the kind of thing which wouldn’t be possible had the cops not been chased out, but, hey, priorities, mang), which guarantees that blacks (for homophobia) and journalists (for homophilia) will absolutely not go anywhere near the truth. Straw-Nazi finding is not just morally bankrupt in itself, it’s here enabling evil.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @S
  10. All these new blocks of colour are really distracting

  11. Much of S02 of “Mindhunter”, the Netflix show that David Fincher has directed some episodes of, deals with the Atlanta murders. A welcome surprise is how the show pulls no punches in showing just how invested Atlanta’s black power structure was in shoring up a narrative that the killer had to be white.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindhunter_(TV_series)#Season_2_(2019)

  12. Jesse says:
    @Peterpaul

    Yeah, it’s interesting that serial killers seem to have a code of conduct.

    Israel Keyes (unfashionably among true crime nuts, I do believe he was prolific) quite clearly had accomplices. And I believe that the FBI is actively investigating them, to the point where they shut down (actively or by stonewalling) the third season of the True Crime BS podcast, which was meant to focus on them. But he never talked about them, going so far as to deny ever having had “partners” (nice semantics). (American Predator is a great book about the utterly mangled Alaskan investigation into him, if anyone’s interested.)

    John Wayne Gacy also very obviously had partners, and police seem to have had a fair idea of who at least some of them were. But he went to the chair without even mentioning them, preferring instead to use his last moments to taunt people about how they’d never find all of them.

    Which, especially in Gacy’s case, is weird, since he could’ve avoided the chair by ratting. So there seems to be a sense of professional courtesy with these, uh, people. Which suggests a level of connection and knowledge. Keyes said that he could read newspaper accounts of people found dead in things like national parks and boating incidents, and know that it was most likely a murder rather than an accident.

  13. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    The Russian puppets in US gov conpsiracy theory is interesting to consider. The genuine progressive left isn’t so enamored of it as mainstream liberals, where Hillary herself still traffics in it without embarrassment. While it’s mostly mid-wit media types who aren’t as smart as they think they are, it also transfixes supposed intellectual heavyweights like Lawrence Tribe. Unable to process Trump and all of it they rationalize an explanation wherein they aren’t rejected and their “right side of history” isn’t challenged.

    And it helps that it’s not out of whole cloth, as there certainly were Russian “hackers” posting to fake Twitter accounts and the like. The more people making the absurd charge the easier it is to believe and it snowballs…

    They should serve as a cautionary example to anyone considering the validity of a given conspiracy theory.

    Critical race theory qualifies as conspiracy theory–no, it’s just a conspiracy.

    • Replies: @Anon
  14. @Known Fact

    They’re gone now. Please delete this and my original message. Maybe I hit something weird accidentally?

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
  15. Why would HBO go to the trouble of making a show if it was going to be about blacks killing blacks, when it’s on the news for free every day?

  16. @jb

    Let me in! I’m not black, I’m honey-colored! And I’m articulate and clean and educated!

    What a phony. He should have pitched the facts that he is black, inarticulate, dirty and uneducated. That would be keepin’ it real.

  17. @Known Fact

    You’re not the only one. It got rolled back right away. I was VERY SURPRISED that Mr. Unz would have a twitter button! I thought maybe that censorship was all a big misunderstanding and they’d made up.

    In other words, no, you’re not going crazy, KF, and I’m glad I’m not either. (But I knew that … of course …)

  18. Dan Hayes says:

    In NYC at the time, Blacks wore some kind of a green badge to show solidarity with the Atlanta victims and by inference their white killers. At first I naively thought that the green badge holders were Blacks celebrating the upcoming St Patrick’s Day!

  19. @jb

    What choo talkin bout

  20. @J.Ross

    True that. Besides, word was at the time the culprit was a Jewish man in Queens selling green ribbons.

  21. Lugash says:
    @Jesse

    If you read the Mindhunter books, the FBI figured our right away that any white guy milling around these hoods would be noticed right away. (The writer makes a big effort to state that it was a black agent schooling the white guys who had never, perish the thought, considered the existence of racially segregated areas, but there’s no way they were that clueless.)

    It’s been a while since I’ve read the books so I might be mistaken, but I don’t think that was what Douglas meant. IIRC during the investigation the FBI sent out white agents to see if they could lure black kids into a car with some candy or $5. He was depressed to find out that the poor inner city youths were easy ‘victims’ even during the height of the murders. The Mindhunter TV series portrayed this differently, that white FBI agents in suits and on foot stuck out like sore thumbs. I think in the book he also said the local police force was using Wayne Williams to clear cases(e.g. little guy Wayne couldn’t subdue an 18 year old 6 foot 200 pound male). He also hinted that William’s police photographer dad might have been involved.

    He was also critical of Vincent* Buliosisisiis’s prosecution of Manson. It was all hype to sell a book, Tex Watson controlled the killings, not Manson.

    *Vincent is apparently a nutjob, he stalked and harassed a woman for years.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. @Anonymous

    CNN’s Sanjay Gupta —- dedicated servant of Satan

    Dr Sanjay Gupta = Pudgy Satan Raj.

  23. Michelle says:

    Hey Steve, you know, let’s stop harping on dead Blacks, adults, children, anything in-between. It’s starting to be like the articles/books, etc., by Black women about their hair. A couple of, stupid, redneck whites shot a Black man in Georgia. It really has nothing to do with us and we should not take it personally and try to defend ourselves by rationalizing the redneck idiots behavior. Again, we white people do not have to apologize, nor rationalize the shooting of this young man by stupid men, who just happen to share our skin tones.

  24. David says:
    @jb

    Mislike me not for my complexion, which I call buckwheat honey.

  25. Carol says:
    @Michelle

    It’s so tiresome seeing local crime stories turned into national crises.

    I think started when Baby Jessica fell down that well.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  26. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lugash

    He was also critical of Vincent* Buliosisisiis’s prosecution of Manson. It was all hype to sell a book, Tex Watson controlled the killings, not Manson.

    *Vincent is apparently a nutjob, he stalked and harassed a woman for years.

    Bugliosi might have been a nut, but his success as a prosecutor is unrivaled. He was scary good.

    Despite his very thorough JFK book ,I’m still of the opinion that while it’s doubtful Lee Harvey Oswald was actually innocent, there is very probably more to the story than we know. I base this on my personal experience with firearms. I just don’t think that anyone not currently trained and in a reasonable state of practice could have pulled it off with that particular rifle from that location. If the rifle had some careful smithing and if the shooter had paid his dues on the range…sure, but not only was Oswald no Carlos Hathcock, he wasn’t even known to actively shoot.
    And, more tellingly, Oswald had gone through Marine boot camp and been trained on the M-1 Garand rifle or its close cousin the M-14. M-14s were essentially unobtainable (there was no semiauto version and a real M14 would have been a Title II weapon with mandatory licensure and a $200 transfer tax, if you could get the Armory to sell you one, and AFAIK they didn’t) but $25 would get you a Garand in fine shape. Probably cheaper in a pawn shop if you shopped around. I would make bank that if he was really intending to pull this off he would have scrounged up $25, and if not, would have picked literally any other surplus rifle before that Carcano based on sheer reputation (which was deserved, it was a shitpole.)

  27. @Carol

    There was a giant national news story in 1925 about a man named Floyd Collins trapped in a cave.

    https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/544782/1925-cave-rescue-that-captivated-the-united-states-floyd-collins

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Redman
  28. @Anonymous

    Trump launches awesome new frontal attack in The Great Chloroquine War.

    I’m not sure it’s achieved anything since the media gaslighters are firmly in control of that storyline across every major outlet.

  29. @Arclight

    I really enjoyed this series. I believe season 3 is set to be filmed and released in 2026. Just kidding. But shit they make us wait a long time.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  30. Anon[845] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dennis Dale

    The Russians infiltrating the US government narrative is an amusing companion to the whole 1950s Joe McCarthy narrative about Russian communists infiltrating the US government. But if you point it out to liberals that Joe was right and today’s libtards wrong, they’ll have a stroke.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  31. It’s interesting how rare serial killers are these days, especially White serial killers.

    Here’s an academic database that tracked serial killings up through November 2015.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190812060557/http://skdb.fgcu.edu/public/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics%2023NOV2015.pdf

    Racial Composition of US-Based Serial Killers

    Serial Killer Frequency by Decade (Decade of First Kill)

  32. @Jesse

    Regarding Wayne willams, didn’t the murders stop when he was apprehended? Had they been political, why would they have stopped when Williams was off the streets? Most likely he was the killer. Occam’s razor.

    Hmm, that Gacy had accomplices sounds compelling to me because I find it doubtful that Gacy could have captured so many young men at gunpoint. Doesn’t it seem likely that at least some would have tried to run?

    I briefly looked at the John Rignall case, a young man captured by Gacy who escaped, who said there had been another man in the room when Gacy raped him! They used chloroform to capture him. I suspect that’s the sort of tactic they used most of the time.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Chris Renner
  33. Neoconned says:
    @Trinity

    You always have exceptions to the rule there & here but I’ve always noticed the proportion of non white sex offenders going after white women/kids is a multiple of magnitude higher than some white Jeff Dahmer type wackobird.

    Besides unless you count the slavery era I don’t think I can name a white sex killer who targeted in particular blacks….

  34. Neoconned says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It seems to have been a function of the Boomers. I wonder if the internet combined w our modern police state and social media “sirens” warning about would be freaks is the recent there are fewer wackos these days?

    • Replies: @anon
  35. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    The ad that Oswald bought his rifle through:

    M-1 was $90. Carcano was $20 with a scope. I was surprised how expensive Garands were when you adjust for inflation. $90 was about 5% of the price of a new car in 1963, or two weeks pay for a working stiff. He must have been so pinched on budget that he couldn’t make the obvious choice and pay another $10 for the M1917.

  36. anon[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned

    Either that or those conspiracy theories about “serial killers” being a cover for the activities of the forces of darkness are true

    • Replies: @Gordo
  37. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    There was a giant national news story in 1925 about a man named Floyd Collins trapped in a cave.

    It inspired the 1951 Billy Wilder movie Ace in the Hole, starring Kirk Douglas:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043338/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
  38. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    One theory, which Steve has discussed at some length, is that it became too difficult to get away with being a serial killer, what with CCTV, credit card records, and more extensive police cooperation and better criminal data-bases. So the psychopaths who were drawn to that sort of thing became rampage killers instead.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158

    Wow, yeah. My dad had the little card in his army scrapbook of prices for stuff he could buy while mustering out. The book is long since gone and I’m going by memory but his cost for a M1 was $25 or thereabouts and $10 0r so for his issue clunk-when-you-shake-it, miscellaneous mixed WWII parts M1911. He bought neither. He would have been discharged in late ’60 or early ’61.

    I made good money, though at considerable risk, hauling a (Buick Electra 225) trunkful of Canadian hardware store bought M1 Garands over the border from Canada when they could be bought cash (via a Canadian friend, you needed ID) for a couple hundred bucks and were bringing several times that in the United States. That was during the era when no military surplus weapons could be brought in legally. I was a minor then, although I had a deceitfully obtained Missouri driver’s license issued on borrowed papers from a neighborhood retarded person who could not drive, indeed, wasn’t allowed to ride his tricycle unsupervised around the subdivision, saying I was 24. I look back on that and think, God, what balls I had! If I’d been busted I’d have done ten years. (Maybe not since I was actually a minor in real life….I never had to find out, and the statutes of limitations, lawyers tell me, are over, long over.)

    The M1917 was a superb action and was popular for sporterizing if you could get rid of the “elephant ears” around the back sight. Proper procedure then was to anneal the receiver, saw them off, then reharden and temper. More money than it was worth, guys ground them off and ruined the temper of the receiver, but it was so overbuilt little harm was done unless the rifle was chambered for some ridiculous wildcat or a Weatherby cartridge. Now they would EDM them off with no change to the hardening past a few thousandths of the surface.

    Still , the Carcano was a pessimal choice-almost any other rifle would have been better.

    A long out of practice useta-be-a-Marine (There are no ex-marines, except Lee Harvey Oswald, is still a saying heard …) with an unfamiliar and crappy rifle…Just seems stinky to me.

  40. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    One theory, which Steve has discussed at some length, is that it became too difficult to get away with being a serial killer, what with CCTV, credit card records, and more extensive police cooperation and better criminal data-bases. So the psychopaths who were drawn to that sort of thing became rampage killers instead.

    Counter to this theory is that the serial killer and the rampage killer are two different personalities and neither would find the other satisfying or worth the risk. Most rampage killers don’t have the patience or work ethic to kill one at a time and get away with it long enough.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  41. Veracitor says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A Federal judge in San Francisco just freed a criminal who should have gotten a 2-1/2 year sentence so he wouldn’t be exposed to coronavirus in jail. The man seems very like an uncaught serial killer! Check out the story, and be sure to look at the photo of the perp’s criminal toolkit:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/15/bay-area-man-caught-with-gun-mask-rope-duct-tape-sentenced-to-time-served/

    I just finished re-reading Bill James’ book about “popular crime” which has a lot of stuff about serial killers. When I saw that news story my hair stood up. There are no “reasonable” crimes which require rope and duct tape. Even if the guy isn’t a serial killer he still had to be planning a kidnapping or hostage-taking.

  42. duncsbaby says:
    @Father O'Hara

    It’s the Second Banana Trifecta.

  43. Gordo says:
    @Logical Meme

    Much of S02 of “Mindhunter”, the Netflix show that David Fincher has directed some episodes of, deals with the Atlanta murders. A welcome surprise is how the show pulls no punches in showing just how invested Atlanta’s black power structure was in shoring up a narrative that the killer had to be white.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindhunter_(TV_series)#Season_2_(2019)

    Yes agree, they threw in the compulsory doubt crumb at the end but we know that they know that WW did the deeds.

  44. @Alfa158

    Garands have always been expensive, no matter the supply the demand keeps the price high. The rifle’s legendary WWII status and general heft and looks mean that people keep buying them. Most people I know who have one, have several, they tend to hoard them.

    The CMP recently imported a very large number of them, mostly in horrible shape, but they are refurbishing them and swapping out parts to make them into saleable, safe to shoot, functioning rifles.
    Prices haven’t changed much. Often, usually even, they only come back onto the market when the owner dies.

    There are several reasons no one makes new ones. One, it’s an expensive rifle to make, designed to be made on dedicated automatic machinery that would be prohibitive to re-create, and to make an authentic looking and feeling one on modern CNC machinery would be actually very difficult. Possible yes, but that’s the reason why the similar M1A (the semi-auto only M14, a far better rifle) costs what it does, more than authentic Garands often bring.

    Second, it actually isn’t a very good rifle in many ways. It’s really heavy, and awkward.
    It also has a primitive gas system that means it only functions properly with one bullet weight and one powder charge of a limited range of propellants. If you write major ammunition manufacturers telling them you have an M-1 Garand and ask them to recommend which of their many .30-06 offerings would be best to shoot in your Garand, the answer-if you get one-will probably be “none”. It was designed for the standard military ball load of the day and after it was introduced all other loads, like AP, API, tracer, etc, had to be loaded to match the rifle.

    Many Garands were either chambered in .308 when rebarreled in the fifties and sixties, or converted with a chamber plug. This actually provides for a little more ammo flexibility. Still, the M1A/M14 has a far better gas system.

    As the primary age cohort of Garand enthusiasts tends to pass away and their kids put them on the market (provided the kids are not anti-gun cretins and have them disposed of, which actually happens on occasion) we will see if prices come down. Hard to say, really.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  45. @Anonymous

    Oswald was kicked out of a shooting range for his habit of firing his rifle as fast as he could.

  46. @CarlosHathitachiTheSecond

    Hornady and Federal now produce M1 Garand safe ammunition.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  47. @Mr. Anon

    Which in turn inspired the Andy Griffith Show episode “Barney and the Cave Rescue”.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0512446/

  48. @Redneck farmer

    Yup.
    That’ll get you kicked out of places other than the range, too!!

  49. Art Deco says:

    My recollection is that even at the time law enforcement were operating under the understanding that at least some of the cases on the list of murdered children were unconnected to the main body. One oddity is that the put Williams on trial for two of the murders but then were permitted to introduce evidence which linked him to ten others for which he was not on trial.

  50. bro3886 says:

    The Oprah channel is also running similar racist blood libel now. You don’t have to go to the dark recesses of the net to find white-hating racism, it’s boomed from every TV channel and newspaper 365 days a year, and it causes murder in the streets. To the total silence of “conservatives” and the Republican party.

    https://fox17.com/news/local/metro-police-responding-to-stabbing-on-5th-avenue-south-involving-2-victims

  51. watson79 says:

    Two unrelated points. First the Carcano. Rifle magazine writer Mike Venturino bought one and hated it for the awful lack of accuracy. Then he discovered the ammo sold for it in the US was too small. He found this out by “slugging” the barrel. He then made his own bigger bullets and found the rifle grouped just fine.

    Serial killer Randy Kraft (gay) most likely had an accomplice, his roommate. The roommate died of AIDS before the police could do investigate further.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anonymous
  52. @Malcolm X-Lax

    If the team was a black lesbian and transgender muslim itd be in season six.

    They did also did the experiment where a white guy just trying to talk to black kids had the neighborhood up in arms, which was something that was actually done.

  53. @watson79

    Stephen Hunter’s novel “The Third Bullet” is a gun-centric tour de force about how the Kennedy Assassination could still have been a conspiracy even if all the anti-conspiracy facts are stipulated.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Jim Don Bob
  54. Perhaps slightly OT (though- not much): modern leftist mindset is impervious to arguments & facts. These people are not simply dumb. Evidently- apart from hidden motives- this is a genuine mental derangement.

    Jared Taylor & Israeli

    Jared Taylor & Latinx 1

    Jared Taylor & Latinx 2

    Jared Taylor & Australian


    …..

    And, it’s mostly- a waste of time. Not for all, of course…

  55. Art Deco says:
    @Steve Sailer

    So, now were citing works of fiction because it’s just too bloody boring to be satisfied with what actual evidence tells you?

  56. Gordo says:
    @anon

    Either that or those conspiracy theories about “serial killers” being a cover for the activities of the forces of darkness are true

    That’s only in Belgium.

  57. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @watson79

    Many European rifles had bore variances over time and production runs. Most shooters know that early German 8mm rifles were.318 bore and later ones .323.

    What ammo was Oswald shooting? Certainly he wasn’t casting or staging his own bullets. I would guess some surplus stuff of the day. Most odd caliber Berdan corrosive primed surplus ammo from WWII was scrapped when copper got high in the seventies, but in ‘63 there were probably still cases of it out there for nearly nothing. I remember as a kid seeing someone cut a whole case of some oddball surplus ammo in half and toss them all in a burn barrel, the powder would burn with a horrible stench and the primers pop. The resulting molten glop of brass and lead got hauled to the scrapper and bought a fair amount of cheap beer.

  58. Gordo says:
    @Jesse

    Apparently Peter Sutcliffe had a friend along at some of his murders, who sat in the car while Sutcliffe went out with his hammer.

  59. Bugg says:
    @Trinity

    The problem with the fantasy that some white KKK types were doing these murders is a white guy would never enter such areas without being obviously noticed. Fair to point out Williams may not have been alone. Williams was only charged with 3 of the murders. While I won’t knock the Atlanta detectives nor the FBI for a difficult case, the Atlanta PC for much of this time was Lee Brown AKA Out of Town Brown, as he was known during his Dinkins Error term as NYPD PC. His only hard decision most days was lunch. Dinkins, of course, touted Brown as this brilliant out of the box community policing genius. He was none of those things, but he was black.There was never any danger of Brown getting his hands dirty, since he was rarely in his office. He was very familiar with how flights out of JFK to distant locales were scheduled. During the Crown Heights riots, Brown inexplicably was working. He managed to get his vehicle surrounded by teen rioters throwing bottles, causing much mirth and merriment with radio transmissions of “Car 1, we have a 10-13!” , indicating he thought he was under attack.

  60. Bugg says:
    @anon

    From “Law&Order” episodes, one would think NYC was infested with murderous non-ethnic white people. Dick Wolf might film often in NY court buildings, but he either doesn’t look at the ethnicity of the actual defendants entering said buildings or willfully ignores them.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Ancient Briton
  61. Corn says:
    @Logical Meme

    I really liked Mindhunter. Sadly the series seems be over or shelved indefinitely with the actors working on other projects.

    • Agree: Bugg
  62. fnn says:

    Only lefties will be surprised that the daughter of one of the perps and the sister of the other turns out to be a veteran coal burner:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8326369/Woman-brother-father-charged-murder-Ahmaud-Arbery-speaks-out.html

    Lindsay told The Sun on Saturday that she does not believe Arbery’s slaying was racially motivated, claiming that her father and brother have ‘loved’ all her non-white boyfriends.

    ‘I have never dated anyone of the same race since I was 19 years old and my father and my brother have loved every person that I’ve ever dated like they were their own son or brother.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  63. @Logical Meme

    I think the Atlanta child murders arc of Mindhunter may have been the spark of interest in revisiting them as fodder for cable viewing and streaming content.

    The Mindhunter show made a pretty persuasive point in the voice of Agent Ford in his exploration of a profile of the killer – a white man trolling all-black neighborhoods in Atlanta for his victims of choice would have aroused suspicion and yielded a description early on. He then tested this theory himself and found that he stuck out like a sore thumb in those very same Atlanta neighborhoods.

    Perhaps this refusal to believe the evidence in this case is a function of what Steve describes as blacks’ penchant for magical thinking. The KKK sends bad juju at blacks, and therefore any bad ends which befall them are a consequence of the bad thoughts of the all-powerful men in white hoods. How the bad things actually got done in flesh and bone terms is a detail easily dismissed.

  64. @Steve Sailer

    +10 on Stephen Hunter’s novel “The Third Bullet”. Hunter’s fiction is pretty good too. He’s a complete sniper nut.

  65. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Most rampage killers don’t have the patience or work ethic to kill one at a time and get away with it long enough.

    A lot of them do. That guy in Norway, for example. Or the guy in Las Vegas.

    I have to say, “work ethic” is a funny way of describing the required skill set.

  66. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Happy tapir

    One reason was that hitch hiking was a common way in that pre-open-gay-sex era for male prostitutes amateur or pro, to meet customers. Gacy would have looked like a normal gay john in his van, which is what he was except for his regrettable torture/strangling habit. Like the Green River killer, he probably worked it with most victims so that they were tied up and in a private place before they knew anything was wrong. Also, if any escaped they may not have gone to the police for fear of being charged as accomplices.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  67. Redman says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And let’s not forget the great Billy Wilder film Ace In The Whole with Kirk Douglas.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_in_the_Hole_(1951_film)

    A classic that resonates with the current Corona media-fuled crisis. A media drunk on the power of promoting death.

  68. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Most rampage killers don’t have the patience or work ethic to kill one at a time and get away with it long enough.

    A lot of them do. That guy in Norway, for example. Or the guy in Las Vegas.

    I have to say, “work ethic” is a funny way of describing the required skill set.

  69. Alfa158 says:
    @Redneck farmer

    That’s what I use for ammo. My CMP Garand cost $400 (they’re now $600 and climbing) and looks like it spent WW2 being dragged behind a Jeep, excuse me, a 1/4 ton General Purpose truck, but worked fine after I stripped it down and degunked the crystallized grease out of the small parts.
    It is mostly a fine archeological specimen of the old US. Obviously designed to be used by sturdy 18 year old farm boys. If you ran out of ammo you could disassemble it and do a lot of damage by pelting the enemy with the solid chunks of steel. I seem to remember when I was re-assembling the hammer spring unit, the instructions called for you to squeeze it back together against the spring with your thumb and forefinger. I’m not very big and I’m old, but I work out, do my own home improvement projects and am not totally decrepit. It took every ounce of my grip strength to squeeze it far enough to slip in the retaining pin; I thought for a while I must have had something backward.
    I should have bought the Korean surplus ones I saw in a California Woolworth’s store in the ‘80’s being sold for $119. Another specimen of the old US; walking into a department store in California and finding a rack of semi-automatic battle rifles in the sporting goods department

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  70. @Michelle

    “A couple of, stupid, redneck whites shot a Black man in Georgia.”

    So you’re thoughtlessly accepting The Narrative?

    • Replies: @Michelle
  71. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Over the years others have set up similar test tracks. I believe that Oswald was left handed, and one test found that operating the trigger with the left hand while running the bolt with the right hand can increase the rate of fire / decrease the split time between shots.

    The ammunition used by Oswald was some sort of military Full Metal Jacket surplus, which would have high penetration.

  72. @Alfa158

    I remember circa 1963 piles of M-1s in a military surplus store being retailed to anything with a pulse for $15 ea. (a little less than half the price of a new cheapo stamped metal deck lawnmower with a 3 HP Briggs and Stratton engine)

  73. @Jesse

    Keyes said that he could read newspaper accounts of people found dead in things like national parks and boating incidents, and know that it was most likely a murder rather than an accident.

    Out of morbid curiosity, does Keyes or any of his interlocutors ever elaborate on this point? I’m wondering if this is just a sense serial killers have or if this is something the trained eye can detect.

    • Replies: @Jesse
  74. @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Thanks to you (and Achmed) for confirming this sighting. I thought I was heading for a lockdown breakdown — like that scene where Uhura starts blubbering because she’s just seen the supposedly deceased captain floating around in her cabin.

  75. @Anonymous

    sir, please read tom o’neil’s “Chaos: the cia, charles manson and the history of the 1960s” as soon as possible.

    alternative thoughts: o’neil also did 3 hours on the rogan pod 6-7 months ago. that’s a solid listen too.

    it is important one understands how *compromised* mr bugiloisi was and what that means for his handling of important cases.

  76. Art Deco says:
    @Bugg

    Half of them late middle-aged patrician women, the other half bespectacled men in lower management.

  77. Art Deco says:
    @anon

    Gacy would have looked like a normal gay john in his van, which is what he was except for his regrettable torture/strangling habit.

    I don’t think Gacy met his victims that way, as a rule. The last one was someone he’d arranged to meet for a job interview to work at his contracting business, IIRC.

    • Replies: @anon
  78. There should be a German word, some inversion of schadenfreude, for the disappointment one feels when one’s enemies aren’t as awful as you’d hoped they are.

    There was podcast a few years ago called “Atlanta Monster” which was done by the same outfit that did “Up and Vanished,” that explored the KKK angle (and one involving a black pedo-ring) that found some interesting information, but nothing conclusive. To its credit, it didn’t shy away from implicating Williams in at least some of the murders and suggesting that his father had at least helped him cover his tracks.

    I doubt that Williams committed all of the murders…he doesn’t seem competent or smooth enough to have pulled that many off; when he was finally stopped by the police on the bridge at 4am his story for being there is laughably ridiculous. But the idea that he wasn’t involved in any of them is fantasy. The idea that he wasn’t involved in any of them AND the KKK was kidnapping kids from a black neighborhood without being seen (and nobody talking for the past 40 years), AND Morris Dees never found out about it to Bring the Perpetrators to Justice and raise lots of money off it is absolutely delusional.

  79. @Jesse

    Gacy almost certainly had accomplices- it’s almost certainly no coincidence that the founder of one of the country’s largest child porn rings in the 70s, Phillip Pakse, worked for him.

    Look up “The Delta Project”

    http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/comments/b9pspy/john_norman_the_delta_project_a_coverup_of_a/

  80. S says:
    @J.Ross

    Yes, even in the rarefied and certainly unsympathetic world of pederast serial killers, such as John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Dean Corll, and Wayne Williams, etc, pc victim hierarchy must reign supreme.

    Therefore, the Euro chocolate factory worker, Jeffrey Dahmer, whom had multiple victims which were poc, gets top billing.

    Euros John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corll, whose victims were also Euros, get middling coverage.

    And Wayne Williams, who was Black as were his victims, gets the least coverage, and is allowed the claim that maybe he wasn’t responsible for most of the child murders at all.

    Of course, as you allude, that all these murderers by definition were homosexual makes any reporting at all problematic by the ‘progressive’ media.

    They would much rather each of these murderers had the demographic characteristics of a Charles Manson (ie straight White male), whom accordingly, along with his ‘family’, they have made into a super star in the world of serial murder.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  81. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    My theory is that the people they “never caught” were black. Either they never really caught them because they are looking for a white guy, or they caught them and didn’t want to say so.
    I also think the zodiac killer and the one never caught in Texarkana Moonlight Murders were the same person and that that person was black.

  82. I watched this and it left a lot of questions unanswered. But it did have an agenda and in the last episode we are introduced to Williams’ appeal team, four well known attorneys, including the “most brilliant legal mind I have ever met.” When they lose the appeal it is because the system failed, not the lawyers. William’s first attorney, a well known Atlanta solicitor Mary Welcome, had never tried a criminal case. She and Williams fired a co-lawyer who had tried between 20 and 30 murder cases. In they end I don’t know if Williams killed all of the 29 victims, but I think he killed some. Best part for me was Sam Donaldson asking President Regan if the feds would have become involved sooner if the victims were white…”So Mr. Regan, are you still beating your wife.” Somethings never change.

  83. I have not watched HBO for while now I just prefer to get and buy movies and classic TV shows on DVD

  84. @Anon

    Highly reccomend Stanton Evans’ Blacklisted by History for a true account of the period.

  85. @Bugg

    The tireless and never-ending search for The Great White Defendant, hat-tip to Tom Wolfe.

  86. Whiskey says: • Website
    @fnn

    Typical White Woman then?

  87. @Anonymous

    This piece ( https://www.newsweek.com/2014/11/28/truth-behind-jfks-assassination-285653.html ) , persuaded me that Oswald did it alone. Basically, he had 11 seconds – not 6 – in which to load, aim and fire 3 shots.

    Also, making a shot from under 100 yards while artificially supported would not be hard for someone who’d been through USMC marksmanship training. The “easiest” set of shots that Marines have to make are from 200 yards – more than twice as far as Oswald was from JFK.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  88. @Happy tapir

    Gacy didn’t capture his victims at gunpoint, IIRC; he talked them into his car or house and then conned them into being handcuffed or tied up.

    • Replies: @Happy tapir
  89. Jesse says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    He killed himself in 2012. If you read “American Predator”, the state of Alaska most likely deliberately let him to avoid the humiliation of the case being thrown out of court because of how badly they messed it up.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  90. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve read a lot about the Kennedy assassination but have never seen convincing evidence that anyone but Oswald did it. I have seen a lot of squid ink spread by leftists like Mark Lane determined to draw attention away from their boy Oswald. The objective of these people isn’t to prove Oswald innocent – that’s not possible – but to sow doubt and cause confusion.

    As for Oswald’s motive, that’s easy. He was a pro-Russia Communist and Kennedy had just threatened to bomb Russia (over the Cuban business). To Communist paranoiacs, Kennedy was a dangerous warmonger – another ‘Hitler’ – who was about to unleash a second ‘Barbarossa’.

  91. anon[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    The wiki article on Gacy is reasonably complete and is worth reading. Some of his victims were picked up at the Greyhound bus station; “hey, how about a lift?”. Others were picked up on the street. Others were involved in his construction biz. He consistently got them to his house, and convinced them to be handcuffed. Then later the “rope trick”, i.e. strangulation. Looks pretty obvious he had “helpers” but the cops were not able to prove that.

    Gacy’s bio includes the claim that he was sexually molested at the age of 7 or so by a man in a vehicle, and that while he was an upward rising member of the JacCees he would host “stag” parties for young men with alcohol. He would make attempts on one or more drunken men. The pattern of early molestation -> troubled life is not a coincidence. Reference experiences matter.

    Fathers need to keep this in mind.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  92. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Renner

    Get a few Former Marines who haven’t picked up a rifle in years, give them an unfamiliar weapon, let them have a few familiarization rounds, and let me know how they do.

    Anecdote is the singular of data, but the cases I’ve seen at the range haven’t been encouraging.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
  93. @S

    Makes one suspicious that the “gay community” gives legitimate cover for predators and perverts.

  94. @anon

    Gacy’s bio includes the claim that he was sexually molested at the age of 7 or so by a man in a vehicle

    Or he was bad to the bone, and needed an excuse in order to get a lighter sentence from the judge or a commutation by the governor. That particular pitch obviously failed. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that sociopaths who will do anything for personal enjoyment, will also *say* anything to obtain better treatment.

    • Replies: @anon
  95. anon[911] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Or he was bad to the bone, and needed an excuse in order to get a lighter sentence from the judge or a commutation by the governor.

    You don’t know what you are writing about. This isn’t even guessing. Is it too much effort for you to open up a simple Wiki page and read for a few minutes?

  96. @anon

    You don’t know what you are writing about. This isn’t even guessing. Is it too much effort for you to open up a simple Wiki page and read for a few minutes?

    What does a Wiki have to do with anything? They’re notorious for criminal-loving bios sourced from people sympathetic to Death Row offenders. Exactly what would you expect to hear from friends of the criminal trying to get him off?

    Even if we take the account there at face value, parent-administered beatings, as well as being groped by acquaintances and/or strangers, are not uncommon experiences. I personally know of a number of such people who mentioned it, sotto voce. They’re straight arrows rather than serial killers.

    But we don’t have to take these accounts at face value. Literally nothing a sociopath says can be trusted. For someone who breaks society’s rules to the point of randomly killing dozens of people for pleasure, lying about his past to cast the blame for his amoral deeds on someone else is probably the easiest of rules to break.

  97. @anon

    You don’t know what you are writing about. This isn’t even guessing. Is it too much effort for you to open up a simple Wiki page and read for a few minutes?

    Another way of putting this is that the normal reaction to being beaten by parents and/or fondled by acquaintances/strangers runs from mild to moderate to extreme as follows: (1) Mild – grins and bears it, avoids future contact or writes the unpleasant experiences off as a sunk cost due to other more important aspects of the relationship (the route most of my acquaintances took), (2) Moderate – calls Child Protective Services or the police and has his persecutor deal with government employees whose role is to inflict some form of punishment or other on the miscreant, while isolating the victim from contact with this person and (3) Extreme (movieland territory, but has been known to happen in real life, historically as well as from courtroom proceedings) – lets no one know, waits for the right opportunity many years later, and when no one is around or looking, takes out his long-ago persecutor. Note that none of these normal reactions involves killing random strangers for sexual thrills and blaming his unfortunate early life experiences in an attempt to obtain better treatment from the justice system, that may range from the commutation of a death sentence to being remanded to a psychiatric facility, from which future release into society might be possible.

    • Replies: @anon
  98. anon[586] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Frankly I do not understand what triggered this outpouring of emotion, and I really don’t care. I’m not here to debate any of the things you’ve made up and pretended I wrote.

    Here are some points.

    1. It is obvious that Gacy was molested in more than one way as a child / boy. Other serial killers have similar claims.

    2. It’s known that early experiences, reference experiences such as “first sexual contact” can have a long lasting effect.

    3. People process such experiences differently. Molestation doesn’t mean a boy will become psychotic, but it can cause serious problems. Life is a game of probabilities. A man should seek to stack the odds in favor of his family, not against.

    Therefore:

    4. Parents and especially fathers should take any and all legal steps to protect their children, and especially their sons. Because no one knows a priori what the long term effects of “just one time” molestation might be.

    If any of this is controversial or triggering to you, please try to reply in an unemotional and rational frame of mind.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  99. @anon

    If any of this is controversial or triggering to you, please try to reply in an unemotional and rational frame of mind.

    What is triggering is your attempt to make asinine and frankly, evil, excuses for mass murderers who should be put down like the scum they are. Your justifications are unemotional in the way a sociopath is unemotional.

    • Replies: @anon
  100. Michelle says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    The crime fits the narrative in this case.

  101. @Chris Renner

    Oh, I saw an expose where they said he would kidnap them at gunpoint in his car. It’s been a while since I saw it, so I could be wrong, but I think they claimed that for some. Maybe none of what we are being told is the entire truth is my point.

  102. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    What is triggering is your attempt to make asinine and frankly, evil, excuses for mass murderers who should be put down like the scum they are.

    Now you are just making stuff up.

    Your justifications are unemotional in the way a sociopath is unemotional.

    I am opposed to the sexual molestation of children. Do you have a problem with that? Yes or no?

    What exactly is triggering you?

  103. @Anonymous

    What evidence do we have that Oswald didn’t practice with his rifle?

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