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From the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation:
Couple fights to rid Toronto home of heritage status
Original owner Stapleton Pitt Caldecott was opposed to immigration, historian says
Michael Smee · CBC News · Posted: Apr 05, 2024A couple in an affluent midtown Toronto neighbourhood is asking the city to remove the heritage designation from their century home because they say the original owner was racist.
The two-and-a-half storey 9,000-square foot house in the Yonge and St. Clair area, was built in 1906 for Stapleton Pitt Caldecott, a former Toronto Board of Trade president who was opposed to immigration, a University of Toronto historian says.
Dr. Arnold Mahesan, a fertility specialist of Sri Lankan descent, and his wife, entrepreneur and former Real Housewives of Toronto actor Roxanne Earle, whose family comes from Pakistan, bought the house in 2022 for $5 million, real estate records show. At the time, they say, they didn’t know the home had a heritage designation.
“Stapleton Caldecott would’ve been appalled by us living in the house he commissioned,” Mahesan told the March 28 meeting of the Toronto Preservation Board (TPB).
The couple, who identifies as mixed-race, told the board they only discovered their home was a designated heritage property last year, when they began looking into modifying the house’s steep stairway from the sidewalk.
Because of that heritage designation, they learned, they’d need to get permission from the city before making any major changes to the property.
… They say a closer look would have revealed its original owner held views that should have excluded it from preservation.
The city doesn’t currently have a policy that would bar buildings owned by such individuals from gaining heritage status.
In making their allegations about Caldecott at last week’s board meeting, the couple cited a report by University of Toronto lecturer Michael Akladios, which points out that Caldecott was anti-immigration, and in favour of newcomers assimilating into mainstream society.
… A city staff report to the TPB concluded the home’s designation had little to do with its association with Caldecott. Instead, the report says the home is worth preserving because it was designed by prominent Toronto architect Eden Smith and because of the unique structural qualities he brought to the building. …
Instead of repealing the heritage designation bylaw, the board voted to remove all references to Caldecott from city documents that explain the house’s significance.
Mahesan told the board that’s not good enough. He said simply removing references to Caldecott amounts to “putting our thumbs over that part of history.”
“The only appropriate remedy is to repeal the bylaw” that gave the home its heritage designation in the first place, he said.
The city receives on average 1,800 to 2,000 applications a year from homeowners who want to alter their heritage properties, city staff told CBC Toronto in an email. “Almost all are approved,” the email says.
Wynne told CBC Toronto he’s never heard of a property owner who wanted the heritage designation removed from their property on the grounds that the original owner allegedly held racist views.
He added it’s worth looking into past associations that other Toronto landmarks may have with prominent figures whose views would be considered repugnant by today’s standards.
Another board member, Paul Cordingley, told last week’s meeting the Mahesan-Earle application raises significant points about what a heritage designation means.
“I think we have to find a way of disengaging preservation from celebrating,” he said. “Because I would not want anyone to think that if we’re trying to maintain the designation of this house, that we are celebrating or downplaying what goes along with that.”
He added that prospective homeowners should be expected to research a property they’re interested in buying.
Earle told CBC Toronto she’s upset with the board’s decision, calling it “a smack in the face.”
“How would I know that a city like Toronto has a preservation society which intends to celebrate racism more than the people living in the homes?” she asked. “How is that something an average homeowner is supposed to know?”
Sounds like Stapleton Caldecott was wrong to worry about immigrants assimilating: these two seem to embody modern Canada to a T.
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Is diversity poison yet?
I may be overly literal here, but the author may have chose the wrong noun here.
former Real Housewives of Toronto actor Roxanne Earle
I wonder why someone like her would make a fuss.
they only discovered their home was a designated heritage property last year
Yeah, right.
Whose parents were angrier about that marriage?
Shades of the phenomena of Hong Kongers in the 80s in Toronto buying and destroying all the beautiful old Victorian mansions and replacing them with crass tacky nouveau riche “Konger mansions”.
Also constantly funny to see South Asians constantly live up to stereotypes of being grasping status seeking and totally tasteless in a nouveau riche way despite however many generations of wealth. Edward Said often got annoyed at North West European “Orientalism” lumping all of non-European Eurasia but it was true that they saw a common thread of social culture in Eurasian outside North West Europe.
Avaricious souls.
ha ha ha ha…”Sounds like Stapleton Caldecott was wrong to worry about immigrants assimilating: these two seem to embody modern Canada to a T”
My cousin was a real estate salesman in San Francisco. He said that the first thing Hong Kong millionaires would do after buying a Victorian painted lady house was have the back yard asphalted.
Except…
Nobody expects the Toronto Preservation Board! muahahaha
Everyone has a right to live in Canada, except Canadians.
This is my favorite part:
Assimilate to what? Canada was basically America-light trying to define its identity by anti-Americanism, ergo being more progressive than Americans. Quebec at least has some kind of identity as some kind of redneck France, I guess. But even that is disappearing with the influx of migrants.
Canada will be majority Indian/Paki and Chinese in less than a 100 years, so I guess it’s their home now.
OT: A thoughtful exchange on autogynephilia between Steve and Worthy Opponent @tracewoodgrains. Tweet-link below the fold.
Scroll up to the top (@tracewoodgrains saying “One truth anti-trans conservatives must reckon with: trans people aren’t going to disappear,”) and read down.
Some context on a bit of inside baseball. Midway through, Steve writes,
You are a furry appears to be a reference to @tracewoodgrains’ self-described history as a lapsed Mormon, i.e. he chooses to be ‘true to himself’ by aligning with a group that’s ostracized by ‘normies’ (in this case, mainstream LDS).
You sometimes wonder if these inferior peoples from less-evolved civilizations— Sri Lanka, Pakistan— recognize that all that they covet and even all of their personal material gain is the product of the white man and his high-trust, high-order European civilization* and if not for the white man they’d be left to the misery of living with their own primitive people and the primitive-level of civilization they’re capable of creating.
*with the exception of NE Asian and especially China. But ironically it’s only NE Asian people who appreciate white Europeans and European culture. It’s probably because of their significantly higher IQs.
If we all went to live in Siberia they would follow us there.
“Dr. Arnold Mahesan, a fertility specialist of Sri Lankan descent, and his wife, entrepreneur and former Real Housewives of Toronto actor Roxanne Earle, whose family comes from Pakistan,”
So the good foreign doctor made his career (and his house-affording fortune) in modern medicine, which was of course created by racist whites. And his nice foreign wife made her house-affording fortune in television/cinema, also created by evil racist whites. All their comforts in life were made possible by unacceptable evil white racism on stolen land — they must thus abandon racism, and all its fruits.
They must both certainly renounce their entire careers, and all their racist ill-gotten gains, and leave this “stolen land” and return at once to their native toilet bowls, there to live in traditional non-racist homes built from mud and human shit.
I can however say that the Sri Lankan “fertility specialist” is a beacon in his field: he is specializing in restricting and reducing white fertility simply by showing up here, unwelcome and unwanted, and thereby making home ownership and family formation/fertility impossible for whites.
Assimilating to our very Anglo-influenced culture.
As recently ad the 80s, Canada was over 90% white. And not long before that, over half had British Isles ancestry.
This is pretty funny:
https://www.glamour.com/story/roxy-earle-plus-sized-real-housewives-toronto-interview
White people are the only people on Earth who will not be permitted to have a country of their own, anywhere.
This is apparently the reason our grandparents and great grandparents fought 2 World Wars and developed an entire continent by paveing, plumbing, farming, and electrifying it to make it the envy of the entire World……….so it could be given away to the rest of the planet and our progeny and their religion and customs bred out and subsumed right out of existence.
It all happened on its own too, nobody was secretly pushing behind the scenes for this, it was completely an organic suicide of a culture and a people, merely fated to happen despite all those pesky conspiracy theories.
Canada looks so much better now than in 1985, just like San Fransisco.
My earlier comment on this story is still in limbo. Here it is:
“Desi” isn’t a racial slur, by the way. It’s what they call themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desi
Comparing them to raccoons might be a slur but I stand behind it.
Generally, yes the Anglophone Canadian ethos since the American revolution was that they are the counter-Americans but that was defined as being MORE CONSERVATIVE than the Americans- doubting democracy more, respecting the existence of a hierarchy, no need to make a Thomas Paine break with the past, no need to go fight in Vietnam just because the Americans were fighting to spread democracy etc.. Being more conservative interestingly meant being more skeptical of unrestrained capitalism- the Conservative party fully supported the implementation of universal medical insurance for instance. Societies are weird in that way.
It was Pierre Trudeau (the Prime Minister dad of Justin of ill repute) that started the whole “Canadians are the progressive DEI version of the conservative Americans”. Prior to that idiot, Anglophone Canada was happy to see itself as a more conservative, less crazy version of the USA.
Yes, and Quebec was happy to see itself as the last place where pre-revolutionary France in all its Catholic glory still existed. This largely changed with the secularization of Quebec which was a reaction against the backwardness of Quebec (traditional Quebec was very poverty-stricken place compared to dynamic Ontario). The result was more material affluence but also huge negative demographics. Today, Quebec is even more crazier than Anglophone Canada which, of course, is saying a lot.
Historically and culturally, Canada was quite conservative and Quebec the most conservative part
Thus Pierre managed to screw up TWO societies-English and French Canada…and people think that his son (bad enough as he is) is the one who is the nutcase.
As Vox Popoli has pointed out, immigrants don’t assimilate, they transform.
Well-played, race-grifters. I hope you get your wish. And then somebody falls down your new stairs and sues you into oblivion. Or falls down your current steep stairs right now and sues.
So yes, uninvited new-arrivals come in and demand that the natives change their inborn barbarism and adopt their ways, which, strangely enough, is actually financially lucrative for the uninvited new-arrivals or they will get mad and you don’t want to see the uninvited new-arrivals mad. Didn’t that used to be called imperialism and colonialism?
No, she’s a whore.
And some people really thought it would end with Confederate Statues being demolished.
No complaints, please. Anglo bourgeois create liberal societies in which status is based on wealth accumulation and contract law and property ownership is given primacy over the common good. In such societies, having any pride in ancestry is just larping. Don’t like wealthy foreign diasporas acting insufferable, best start rejecting the priors that brought us here, from the Glorious Revolution on down.
I’m hardly an expert on Canadian real estate, but it strikes me as implausible that a sale can be offered and completed without a notice of the property’s heritage status.
Planning commissions are the only force greater than wokism. Maybe we should try to get elected to the planning commissions in addition to school boards.
Calling themselves “Canadians” in the first place was a sign that they’d be replaced.
It’s an exercise in status games by repellent people.
Sri Lankans and Pakistanis shouldn’t throw stones
When they buy up historic old Canadian homes.
An Iranian bought an 1828 Greek Revival on the street where I live a couple of years ago, took out two separate demolition permit applications, knocked it down the day a hearing was scheduled for one of them. Now two tacky “luxury town homes” stand where a little bit of America used to be. Year after, same trick was used to demolish an 1855 worker’s cottage.
A few years before, MIT got to demolish the first commercial structure east of Harvard Square, built in 1805. When they bought it they pulled out the plumbing and the heating system, left the windows open for several years, opened the draincock on the heating oil tank flooding the basement with oil. Then they generously offered to get rid of the polluted eyesore.
OT but iStevey — Abraham Flexner was a non-physician commissioned in 1908 by a Carnegie charity to come up with a way to make American medical schools more effective; among his recommendations were the closing of the vast majority of medical schools, including 80% of white ones and 5 out of 7 of the black ones. Presumably because they were doing more harm than good.
So, you know how that looks in the current year …
https://tomklingenstein.com/the-end-of-merit-in-med-schools-will-be-deadly/
This, by way of Soldo.
https://niccolo.substack.com/p/saturday-commentary-and-review-161?utm_campaign=email-post&r=17kl51&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Mansa Musa, piling up wealth itself, and it never occurring to him to actually do something with it.
You might to ask yourself how that money got there. HK is one of the largest creditors to US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States
…whose debt to foreign holders is ever growing, while you remain distracted with sportsball and celebrities.
I have a friend who sold his house to a Vietnamese family. He was quite the gardener and had all sorts of ornamental trees and shrubs. After they bought it, the 1st thing that they did was to cut down all the trees. I think in some cultures people are afraid that snakes and other dangerous wildlife will live in the bushes and you don’t want any of this stuff near your house.
Famously a few years ago there was a wildfire in IIRC Berkeley and every single house in the neighborhood burned down except for one Vietnamese owned home. All the other houses had cedar shake roofs and siding and landscaping but he wanted a stucco house with a metal roof and no trees so the wildfire just passed around his house.
Reminds me of those people who claimed that they didn’t know their property deeds had restrictive covenants.
Or he could just be a furry.
True.
This would be ripe material for a Poltergeist or Amityville Horror sequel — The ghosts don’t slaughter anyone but go around loudly grousing about crime stats and Chuck E Cheese brawls
Wait til NYC property owners and developers hear about this new landmark dodge. Though I think it would work better if the building can somehow be tied to slavery
So, basically, they’re looking for a way around restrictions which prevent them from re-modeling their house. Um…. “Racism!” Like a spell in Harry Potter: That always works!
https://modernity.news/2024/04/05/japan-to-embark-on-an-era-of-mass-foreign-migration/
This is discouraging news. Not even Gamera the Flying Turtle will be able to save them once all this kicks in
Putting aside all the couch fainting about immigrants, these “heritage designation” things are Communistic. It’s your house that you have bought and paid for, but you can’t do what you want with your own house – some snooty committee of busybodies who haven’t paid a cent get to tell you what color you have to paint your house and you have to get their approval to change so much as the mailbox. And of course this is a costly process where you have to hire consultants and lawyers, etc. which just throw more sand in the gears of the economy and contributes to housing being unaffordable except for the very rich.
A few years ago my neighbor wanted to put up a garage because we live on a chopped up former estate and the former carriage house was sold off in the 1950s (back when the income tax was 90% a lot of people could no longer afford big estates) leaving his house without one. There were all these hearings that were televised on the local cable channel, etc. and plans and studies and blah, blah, blah. Our neighbors wanted to make sure that we would not oppose their petition so they asked to come over and brought a bottle of wine and showed us all the renderings, etc. I told them, “Put up whatever you want. I don’t even need to see these stupid drawings. It’s your house and it’s none of my business what you put on it. ”
In the 19th century, when N. America was a dynamic society, people used to put up buildings and then in a couple of decades when the fashion changed or the area changed they would knock them down and put up a different building. If you told a Victorian that he was not allowed to alter his own house he would have wondered what sort of dictatorship had taken over.
Anyway, if you are stuck with one of these designations, you and your lawyers look for any angle to get the monkey off your back. You play whatever cards you have. This is modern day N. America so naturally people will try to play the “racist” card. To the historical commission’s credit, they didn’t fall for it.
All the other houses had cedar shake roofs
After this winter’s experience here in Portland, we feel distressed that we may have to follow their example. We had four days without power and heat when the temperature inside went down to 40. My neighbor, an old man in his 70’s had to get out in the snow and scramble for a generator to stay alive. His smaller house had an inside temperature of 20. Our temperature outside was low enough that it broke a windowpane. All this was due to too many trees falling on powerlines and causing a bottleneck. Without the fallen trees being removed PGE couldn’t restore power.
Quite definitively but unfortunately it works. People who think they could approach the elite class engage in status seeking to enhance their position. This has been clear since Thorstein Veblen’s “Theory of the Leisure Class” of the nineteenth century and has been recognized that aspects of this kind of behavior can be detrimental to society as a whole- however, the status seeking of the elite class of today has totally gone of the charts in societal detriment.
It used to be that elite or near-elite members sought status competing to build the largest mansion, own the biggest car, apply for the most expensive golf clubs etc.. Now the competition is to be seen as who follows Globo Homo the most. That the vast majority of a country don’t want gay marriage, unlimited immigration et al only serves to redouble the efforts of status seekers to pass gay marriage, put in unlimited immigration and such. Since they usually have access to political power, a society then is pulled towards Globo Homo even though it’s unwanted. The vast majority of the US did not want gay marriage but to the elite and the elite-seekers that didn’t matter as long as they got to increase their status among their own caste.
Poland recently passed a law criminalizing anti LBQ… speech (POLAND! POLAND!!) Certainly, the elite of that noble country see themselves as different from the majority of their countrymen (actually this has been a consistent Polish problem for centuries). The purpose likely is to enhance the status of the Polish elite in the eyes of Brussels. That the majority of the Polish population don’t want this is to them not as important as to gain status in a far-off city.
NW Euros do less ostentatious display of wealth, they do alot more ostentatious display of virtue. Which actually sounds alot like tikkun olam.
In the future, you might not get to choose who you get lumped in with. All this squabbling between whites and Jews. You guys all look alike.
Maybe we should give Brandon credit for being relaxed about the southern invasion, whatever toxic garbage residing in the benighted north is worse than fentanyl so he’s more focused on that.
Obviously, a cynical grift to get released from heritage restrictions so they can do something horrid to the place.
I’ve bought and sold in the U.S. in recent years. Both buyer’s agent and seller’s agent strenuously review conditions of the property. It’s unlikely Canada is different. Among the multiple disclosures in the dozen forms they signed when buying must have been one warning that the property has a restrictive heritage designation.
It’s the bazaar mentality, make up anything no matter how farfetched to press your advantage, adapted to a culture that celebrates hatred of whites.
I saw a hawker in African street market shame American college girls into buying his worthless trinkets by accusing them of being racist if they didn’t buy. “Oh no, we’re not. Reeeaaally.” He learned to do that because it worked.
In southwest Florida I notice the Asian acquired houses as the landscaping is jungle like, disorganized and heavily populated with fruit trees and shrubs. There is no architecture down here worth saving unfortunately except for some Ringling buildings. Also, all the new houses have a fortress box like shape to them, very unappealing.
“Furry” usually means this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom
Perhaps that led to his lapsing as a Mormon? Though this would seem to indicate otherwise.
P.S. If men are from Mars and women are from Venus many of these people seem to be from Pluto. A communication chasm for me. FWIW, most of the “thoughtfulness” from @tracewoodgrains reads as obfuscation to me. Very Current Year.
The vast majority of European immigrants (with the exception of the Jews) assimilated quite readily to US, Canadian, Australian, Argentinian etc. expectations in the 19th century, because the expectation and societal insistence was for them to assimilate no ifs or buts about it. The largest US immigrant group, the Germans, fought their near-term relations quite happily in both wars.
However, when the host society just gives up and/or brings in immigrants that are distant culturally you get immigrants indeed transforming the hosts like it’s going today.
Furthermore, when the host society stupidly makes it financially lucrative not to assimilate like Steve Sailer likes to point out in the various convolutions the US Census undergoes in defining ethnicity-well that’s the end.
“How would I know that a city like Toronto has a preservation society which intends to celebrate racism more than the people living in the homes?”
The city is celebrating the unique nature of the architecture (in a house that was built 118 years ago), not the original owner! Furthermore… . Oh, for Chrissake, never mind!!
Oh, it’s worse than that. Canada once had racist immigration policies. The Mahesan’s shouldn’t want to live in Canada. They should move back to Sri Lanka or Pakistan.
Correction: Canada still has racist immigration policies, but now those racist immigration policies are designed to disenfranchise the country’s white majority.
The Mahesan’s are upset by the fact that a racist once lived in their house. Well, racists still live in their house.
The problem with the populists who oppose mass immigration and support Trump is that they refuse to accept the fact that the only way to get what they want is to reduce Social Security and Medicare payments, increase the retirement age, cut military spending, and increase taxes on the wealthy. That seems to be true with populist movements in every country. Reducing welfare and perhaps nudging a few more % of the working age population back into the workforce would also help, and that’s one of the few things the populists might go along with.
Everyone wants the results, but too few people are willing to do the hard work it will take to get there. So no matter who is elected in November, we will continue to see budget and trade deficits out the wazoo. I can practically guarantee you that the first thing Trump will do if he wins the election is to propose yet another tax cut (mostly benefiting the wealthy) along with almost zero spending cuts. It’s what Bush did, and it’s what Trump did in his first term. And the populist who voted for him will get little of lasting value.
It is also strange that the prepurchase search and survey apparently did not identify that this was a home that had heritage designation. Sounds like the surveyors or providers of title insurance slipped up badly, and might be liable for something.
There was an interesting story just last week from England about how owners of a historic home (listed Grade 1 in English parlance) were not allowed to cut openings for 4 power points in a living room, because they would have to make holes in wooden paneling that might or might not have been of historical significance.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13278471/claudia-schiffer-husband-matthew-vaughan-lose-bid-install-electric-plugs-mansion.html
Apparently the power sockets are currenly embedded in the floor, which makes it rather easy to trip over power cables, impedes the progress of pet dogs, etc.
(Interesting that the Daily Mail does not seem to understand the difference between plugs and sockets.)
Then again, would you really want to give owners and developers carte blanche to destroy or demolish historic buildings? It’s a bit like arguing that slaves were the property of the owners, which was legally the case until it wasn’t.
Ms. Schiffer’s home was built in was built in 1574 and was once home to one of the Gunpowder Plot conspirators of 1605.
Having them “listed” or restricted makes it more likely perhaps that they would be used for commercial activities such as bed and breakfasts, function rooms, museums, and alerts home buyers that they might be facing unusual costs if they want to remodel.
As long as they know about it before the closing, of course.
Incidentally, you cannot do exactly what you want with buildings in the US either, because of zoning laws and Housing Associations.
Then don’t buy the house. Buy a different house. What percentage of Toronto homes are protected? 1%? 0.1%?
Just like the natural environment, waterfront, greenspace, etc., historic buildings are a huge benefit to a region’s economy. Tourism contributed over $300 billion to the British economy in 2019. No one was going there to see all the Pakistanis, Afro-Caribbeans, Indians & Russians who are an increasingly large share of the population. They are going for the history.
I’m sure tourism isn’t as huge a share of Canada’s and Toronto’s GDPs, but it’s still non-negligible.
Visiting Globalist Megalopolis #9 doesn’t have quite the same ring to it as visiting Toronto or London or Rome or Berlin.
Jonathan Mason:
No, it sounds like the owners are lying. Buying a piece of property and then trying to change the zoning or historical designation or do something else to otherwise increase the value, while claiming you were unawares, is a classic move of the globalist elite.
Well done! I have been saying this for years.
If you have illegal aliens working with fake social security numbers, they are paying into Social Security, but will never withdraw any benefits. Doesn’t that benefit the wider population?
If they work legally, and then eventually retire overseas, then they will pay into Medicare, but never draw out from Medicare.
Personally, as someone who gets a Social Security check every month, I do not favor reductions in Social Security retirement benefits, though I do not mind increases in the retirement age, as I know I will never be unretired.
The problem with increases in the retirement age is that with each added year, you exponentially increase the number of people on permanent sick leave, disability, etc. and health insurance becomes less fiscally sound the more years people have to work before they get Medicare.
On the other hand, you do have the advantage that more people will die before they get retirement benefits.
One thing that might save money for the taxpayer is to allow Medicare to be used overseas, where medical care is nearly always much cheaper than in the US.
I am glad I am not the only person who has NOTICED this.
I do wish someone like Trump would explain in simple terms that someone like me can understand what will be the economic benefits of mass deportations of migrants from the US, how it will effect the exchange rate of the US dollar vs other currencies, what effect it might have on the cost of home rentals, whether it will enable us to reduce the military budget, etc.
Why not just sell the house and return to Pakistan?
I think the other culture clash in either big Canadian cities or West Coast US ones (Or both) was that sometimes when the house was kept in places like Toronto with a lot of big old cherry trees in front yards, they’d be cut down for not being Feng Shui. I can’t think of anything you could do to annoy WEIRD people than cut down a cherry tree because of weird superstitions.
Of course you have a perfect combination for resentment in having rich immigrants violating the social space by destroying beautiful trees and doing it because of a (Outside a small group of yuppies with a love of it as a fad) irrational superstition and being from an non-oppressed background full of confidence.
People tend to have enough problems with their own elite let alone importing a new one that looks at national heritage and just goes “eww, this is old”.
It’s real estate. There are externalities associated with it.
Absolutely. This is why the Amish religion and Pennsylvania Dutch language disappeared within a matter of decades and we can only read about the Amish in history books now. Also, one reads that the Italian, the Chinese and so on once had unique cuisines and were not Protestant but again, this is just something you read about in old books as you eat your hot dish before you go to the Presbyterian Church on Sunday.
Modernity, with everyone growing up in the same suburbs and plugged into the same internet and attending the same colleges is more of a scrambler of cultures than the old immigrant ghettos ever were.
I agree with everything except this part:
Another of thousands of posts/news stories about people thinking that they can reverse “the arrow of time.”
That phrase is fundamental to modern physics in that it announces that “time” moves only forward, and can’t reverse direction. Hence causality is one way.
Modern Wokels and other insaniacts often operate on the false assumption that “we can do today” things which change “what happened yesterday.”
Yes, we can affect subsequent consequential results (clean up debris of a house that burned down) but we can’t somehow do something now which stops that house from burning down last week.
In certain medieval religious ceremonies, they would dig up buried bodies and burn them, to “punish” them and hopefully condemn their souls to hell. I suppose the Almighty needed to consent to changing his original flight path, if that was the intent. I don’t think it worked but we await further evidence on that one.
So bitching about some dead person’s supposed beliefs about something WILL NOT change what those beliefs were at the time. Nope.
You can only affect what will or might happen in the present and future.
Maybe we should drop “Stalingrad” to something uh, less controversial, like “Volgograd.” But that really doesn’t affect the million he killed, gulaged or tortured.
“Virtue signaling” is usually based on this “arrow of time” error. In the case of these Canadian immigrants, it is merely a ploy so they can destroy what was protected as a “Heritage building.”
We have enough trouble dealing with existing people who have Bad Ideas. Trying to magically remove Bad Ideas from the now dead is just tap dancing on graves.
God, and the laws of physics, are not amused…
I know (via a mutual acquaintance) a second-generation Muslim Indian/Canadian naturopath. She defied her parents’ wishes by ditching the burka and pursuing a medical degree and is now an unmarried childless fortysomething.
She reports that Alberta is infested with Nazis who demand to be treated by practitioners with blond hair and blue eyes.
That being said, she’s not overly fond of Hindus, and she loathes Africans. She resents being lumped in with the crowd that Trudeau is bringing in.
To be brief, this illustrates exactly why I’m dubious about allowing in dot-Indian immigrants.
The whole edifice of Western values, traditions, ways of looking at the world — to them it seems to be just a verbal game to be played so as to get what they want.
I don’t trust ’em, in other words. Mexicans, etc, at least understand what America is supposed to be. They just want to be allowed to play too. Not dot-Indians. Don’t let them in.
“Whose parents were angrier about that marriage?”
There are some Muslims in Sri Lanka, but Mahesan is a Tamil name and they tend to be Hindu or Buddhist.
Difficult call.
Only after all of the hard work to make it a nice place to live was done.
That’s always been true, too. Look at the Irish, the Germans, the Italians, the various flavors of Slav, the Jews (!).
The America they began arriving in ca. 1840 wasn’t the America they had made by 1940. It’s just that we can’t do much about that at this point — or even should. After all, like it or not, none of us are the Americans of 1840. We can’t go back.
However, we can do something about importing the customs and folkways of Africa and the Indian subcontinent — and should. I don’t want to become more like Brazil or Pakistan or Nigeria.
So let’s not.
I was wondering what “Desi” meant. Thanks for the update.
Notice how expensive that house was. It’s people like this that have caused the huge increase in house prices and rents, leaving so many young people stuck at home with their parents.
Trudeau is starting to worry about that, fearing correctly that it may hurt his reelection chances.
Well, if you look at that list of US Treasury holders, Japan are top and increasing their holdings. China are second but reducing theirs.
I know a lot of the holdings correlate with banking systems/tax havens, does it also tend to correlate with suicidal immigration policy? The UK holdings are almost as big as China’s.
Here is a draft 2022 British Columbia disclosure form.
https://irp.cdn-website.com/51e77f54/files/uploaded/Property%20Disclosure%20Statement%20-%20Residential.pdf
4C on page 4 covers heritage status. No idea how commonly used the form is or how much it has changed over the years.
No, because eventually they will almost all be allowed to claim social security. The Democrats will push for it, and eventually get it. Illegal immigrants working under the table aren’t paying into social security at all.
Of course you don’t. Therefore you are part of the problem. At bare minimum you could support the reduction of cost-of-living increases, which I’m sure you don’t.
I have no idea whether increasing the retirement age is realistic. There are definitely a lot of people who are unable to work past 62. What’s even more unrealistic, however, is continuing down the path we are on. We simply cannot afford to maintain current rates of social security spending, or government pension benefits.
More people are going to have to move in with their children, get roommates (for those without children), downsize their homes, or do whatever is necessary in order to get by. Simply printing more money, and bringing in millions of foreigners to prop up the system, isn’t realistic.
Maybe. One downside to that is that billions of dollars would leave the country, and exacerbate the balance of payments problem. Some people are already leaving the country for cheaper locales, with or without access to Medicare.
That may be true with the US illegals (that they’re young and healthy) but Canada’s legal immigrants can use “family reunification” to bring in their elderly relatives.
And since we have socialized medicine, we’ll be obliged to pay for elderly foreigners who just arrived.
Ironically it seems Flexner cut the black med schools more slack. See this quote from a comment of mine from last month. More there.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-do-liberals-justify-affirmative-action/#comment-6455530
“Well done! I have been saying this for years.
If you have illegal aliens working with fake social security numbers, they are paying into Social Security, but will never withdraw any benefits. Doesn’t that benefit the wider population?”
Man, you are an even stupider retard than I already thought you were.
Definition of a Progressive:
Today they want to go from A to B, but deny wanting to go to C.
Tomorrow they want to go from B to C, but deny wanting to go to D.
The day after tomorrow they want to go from C to D, but deny wanting to go to E.
Pretty soon you end up at Z, and wonder how the hell you got there, but have a hunch it’s what the Progressives intended all along.
Hint: It’s why they call themselves “Progressive.”
You have a point. Liberalism as a political and economic doctrine, as developed by Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and the “Glorious” revolution onwards, does indeed view the individual making money as the central point of society and does not see the individual as part of a larger family such as an ethnic group and also does not see that some kinds of legal money-making (for instance selling real estate to foreigners who intend to replace you) are just wrong.
Now it can be argued that people such as John Locke, John Stuart Mills, Gladstone never envisioned that their green and pleasant homeland would be Punjabi and Nigerian by the end of the 21st century. The point is they should have-if you put the individual first you atomize him thus isolate him from his fellow group. Another ethnic group can come in that’s not as naive and idealistic and…that’s it. The End.
Margaret Thatcher, although admirable in many ways, said “there is no such thing as society” Conservative-minded people should have rigorously called her out on that. It is just a wrong doctrine to pursue, especially in her time where the population statistics were indicating the English and others were heading for replacement.
Then again she did replace Enoch Powell who saw it well enough.
The USA has family reunification laws, as well. Not sure how they compare to Canada’s, but plenty of people immigrate via that route. They may even comprise the majority of our legal immigrants.
Immigrants to the US often have ways to get elderly relatives on the dole, as well. It only takes 40 credits (40 quarters = 10 years) of working to qualify for Social Security and Medicare benefits. Many immigrant families get their elderly parents on food stamps as soon as they’re citizens. America may not have socialized medicine, but hospital emergency rooms are required to treat anyone who comes in, with or without insurance.
There are other forms of free or reduced-price medical care they can avail themselves of. Of course they can simly not pay their medical bills, as many probably choose not to do. Since they are often living with family, they many no much care about the impact of unpaid medical bills on their credit scores.
Oh sure enough, America was large enough that you could establish pockets here and there and modernity can be a bitch. No one is arguing against that but even so there certainly was a larger expectation that immigrants should assimilate that we don’t simply have now-after all no one speaks Italian, Swedish, Polish whatever and haven’t spoken them since the 1910s. Even the Amish don’t speak German and they are perhaps the most stand-alone group of the original European stock immigrants.
Increase taxes on the wealthy? So you want taxes on the wealthy to be so oppressive that high earners prefer to stay in their country? You realize that those oppressive taxes would apply equally to US citizens high earners. Do you think millionaires from Sweden are walking across the southern border to escape millionaire taxes?
I think Nietzsche said somewhere when writing about other philosophers that there always comes a moment when they drag out an ass to center stage. I always took it to mean no matter how systematic their philosophy, whether materialistic or idealism or monads or whatever when they get to ethics it all seemed to justify conventional Christian morality. Almost like they all liked the morality that they were raised in and rationalized around their entire world view to support just that morality. Perhaps you resent the wealthy and just included that even though it does not follow from your argument.
They just want to do renovations on the house and this is there scam for getting away with it.
Principles are for chumps.
Me and some friends once upon a time rented an absolutely beautiful flat in a Victorian mansion on Union Street on Russian Hill near Mason.
It was incredible. Like living like a rich person. 12 foot ceilings. Crystal chandeliers. Cut-glass and stained-glass windows. Working gaslights. Redwood walls. Parquet floors. Kitchen and bathroom decorated with tiles in a nautical design, a perfectly framed view of Alcatraz, Angel Island, out the back window, to the tune of cable car bells and foghorns. It was so classic it was frightening. Ferlinghetti once lived there.
The old Chinese man who owned it kept a beautiful rose garden out back. He lived in a moderne fifties style house out back and tended his flowers.
As soon as he died, the Chinese Jehovah’s Witness heirs evicted us, had the flat cut in half, ultra-modernized, ripped everything classic and Victorian out, and rented each half for four times as much as we had been paying for the whole thing. I talked to one of the (American) renovators while he was at it, and he said, “It makes me sick to be doing this. But what can you do. It’s work.”
So don’t tell me about SF landlords of a certain persuasion.
A little Googling shows that Ontario has a Seller Property Information Sheet developed by Realtors which is strongly recommended but not legally required.
https://cheadles.com/real-estate/ontario-seller-property-info-sheet-spis/
I recently looked at property in Rhode Island and the Realtors there had an 8 page 96 question property sheet that covered historic designation, buried oil tanks, cemeteries, etc. It was quite exhaustive.
These Desis are lying.
Oddly enough, Trump used the exclusionary policies of Palm Beach’s country clubs as a lever to get Mar-a-Lago set up as a commercial property rather than the museum in all but name it previously was.
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/12/how-donald-trump-beat-palm-beach-society-and-won-the-fight-for-mar-a-lago
I’m convinced that the Trump bloodline has MOT antecedents somewhere in there, and he’d be happy to acknowledge them if they came to light.
Hey, knock it! Your vocal and intentional #NotNoticing reeks of anti-Semitism.
You know, I’m going to take a dissenting view here.
I’ve read lots of Steve’s posts about how environmentalism is a plot to keep housing prices up, which strikes me as probably quite accurate in LA–there probably are lots of rich people finding endangered species to keep people from building a wall by their window or ruining the value of their $25 million house.
That sounds exactly like the kind of games liberal rich people would play, given how they use the social-justice grift to one-up each other with the side effect of causing the races and sexes to hate each other (except blacks and whites, lots of prior history there) and convincing people they should perform irreversible surgery on their kids.
My first thought when reading about how they decided to bring up the racist history *to allow them to remodel their house* was: ah, they’ve found a new application of their favorite grift.
Re: Family Reunification
I was talking about the illegals, who appear to be majority of US migrants. The numbers have become very high since Biden took office and deliberately removed what restrictions Trump had put on.
Surely they can’t bring in elderly relatives. At least not yet.
It’s nontrivial to find immigration statistics from an iPhone. Google appears to be in defense mode on the subject.
Right, he closed 80% of the white but 70% of the black, and what he closed was because he had to, but now the crime is that he dared close any of the black schools. Maybe Ack Man will hear of this.
You’re a “racist” because you oppose race replacement, er, I mean immigration?
Related:
A “fertility specialist”? Canada could use higher fertility, to be sure, but how does this man help? Probably not by encouraging cheaper housing and earlier marriage for younger Canadians.
We were doing that long before Canada, where the old “points” system discouraged it. Ironically, it was demanded by immigration restrictionists, to give a leg up to relatives already here, i.e., Europeans. A holdover from the 1921-64 national quota policy.
Not a bad strategy, but it could only work for 10-20 years, after which the rest of the world would catch up.
“We simply cannot afford to maintain current rates of social security spending, or government pension benefits.”
It is too late to fix this problem so we will end up with involuntary cuts. The decision is just what form these cuts will take.
The best thing to do will be means test benefits so wealthier people won’t get them. The focus should be on keeping poorer old people from creating a homeless problem.
In addition to this, we can at least keep the problem from being worse by raising the retirement age a few years and cutting government spending. You could save a lot of money just by firing all the affirmative action hires working for the federal government and adopting an isolationist foreign policy that would then enable us to reduce military spending. Importing large numbers of low IQ immigrants is not part of the solution.
OT — “That means we’re winning” —
“The vast majority of European immigrants (with the exception of the Jews) assimilated quite readily to US, Canadian, Australian, Argentinian etc. expectations in the 19th century”
That’s not what the Know Nothing Party of the 1850s and the anti-Southern/Eastern European nativists of the 1890s believed.
“However, when the host society just gives up and/or brings in immigrants that are distant culturally you get immigrants indeed transforming the hosts like it’s going today.”
The Irish, the Poles, the Italians, and the Slavs were viewed as being inferior whose cultural values viriated WASP culture. So were those nativists simply wrong in their assessment of non-Anglo peoples?
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Completely agree. (I ran out of “Agree” tags.) Have been going through this process in the US recently, and there even was a disclosure of a “Right to Farm” ordinance in the county where we were buying a property. Yeah, they knew.
The way it works in the US is through “anchor babies.” It is commonplace for 8-month pregnant illegal aliens to enter the US and give birth. Although the US Supreme Court has never expressly so held, the US Government treats the offspring as automatically being US citizens. Their bogus citizenship can then be leveraged to bring in the whole extended family by “family reunification.”
More affluent people, primarily wealthy Chinese, have been known to organize “birth tourism” trips to the US. Eight-month pregnant women get travel visas to the US, give birth, and return to China. The strategy appears to be more of an insurance policy. If TSHTF in China, they can bug out here.
Sounds like when the Kennedy’s got their great Georgetown house on the cheap because it was next to a rendering plant, and then used their political pull to get the rendering plant 86’ed…
In only 20 years, 2001 to 2021, Edmonton, Canada’a northern-most large city, went from 24 to 49% non-white, with Punjab-born Amarjeet Sohi as its mayor.
Permafrosty Yellowknife, population 20,000, gets about 70 Asian and 15 African migrants per year.
There are plenty of negro suburban neighborhoods where everyone speaks English and has iPhones but you’d still find it as alien as Lima, Peru. I know an entire subdivision that flipped Sikh and Easter, Christmas, and July 4 were just another day. Plenty of latino burbs too, and Cinco de Mayo and Dia de Los Muertos are big deals but July 4 is just a day off. Or Dearborn, Michigan, just a typical upper Midwest American town, right?
Inevitably, the weal won’t be regarded as common.
But the crowd Trudeau is bringing in are subcontinentals like her. Is because they’re mostly Hindus or Sikhs that she doesn’t like them?
I thought the Amish do speak German (Pennsylvania Dutch) at home. They also learn English to communicate with the outside world. But they’re extreme outliers.
The Amish absolutely do speak Pennsylvania German to each other (and not just at home). They do know English also.
Some Chinese are very superstitious and believe in feng shui. They’ll remodel or tear out gardens for feng shui reasons alone. People in Vancouver (got a big Chinese influx a few years back) were complaining about this.
Although it sounds like Chinese Jehovah Witnesses were interested in the always popular $$$.
If you had visited Little Italy or Chinatown in 1900, it would have been just as alien. But their kids speak perfect English. I hate to break it to you but for a lot of Europeans, Christianity no longer means anything either. Only 1 in 4 Swedes is willing to state that he believes in God. Christmas is a day off from work.
I’m convinced that the Trump bloodline has MOT antecedents somewhere in there, and he’d be happy to acknowledge them if they came to light.
Trump has Jewish descendants but he is an echt German on his father’s side. This was not a popular thing to be in post WWII Brooklyn where his father was trying to rent out apartments so the Trumps used to say that they were Swedish.
I guess. She sees herself as a “real” Canadian because her family has been here for a few decades.
It’s not uncommon for “established” immigrants to look down on the riff-raff who are just getting off the boat.
This is one aspect of it all that exasperates me.
If you are a member of the chattering classes, very disproportionately, you do not have to do physically demanding work for a living, and so — so long as you don’t descend into Bidendom — you can keep doing what you always did. If I was a mortgage broker at 52, sure — I can keep being a mortgage broker at 72. What’s the problem?
But a lot of people — and disproportionately, they are the inarticulate — don’t have that luxury. They move furniture, or change truck tires, or do agricultural work. or hang drywall, or whatever. As they enter their golden years, they cannot keep delivering anything resembling a reasonable day’s work. I’m 65, and I know that what wipes me out after half an hour wouldn’t have even struck me as hard work twenty years ago.
This ‘extend the retirement age’ bullshit appeals to the Ben Shapiros of this world. But that’s just because they’re assholes.
But Jewishness of course is vital, and profound, and eternal, and genetically definable.
Or is it a fucking affectation, a substitute for a lack of genuine individual self-esteem?
Explain the distinction to us, Jack.
Exactly. Now, should we blame them, or blame ourselves?
After all, in their place, wouldn’t you do the same — if somebody offered?
To take an example, if the EU started offering EU citizenships for anyone who paid a thousand bucks, I’d do it. Why not?
Molson’s thought their spokesman proclaiming that he believed in “Peacekeeping, not policing, diversity, not assimilation” best represented their product of Canadian beer.
It’s hard to believe they didn’t know it was a heritage property. Those restrictions can be onerous. I wonder when they decided to play the mixed race card? I am curious what the benefits of declaring yourself mixed race are? Publicity, bragging rights or something more substantial?
I think some of south east Asian taste in architecture is best acquired young and best viewed in the native’s habitat. Sometimes when driving a bright, garishly decorated temple not far from me, I have flashbacks of playing Candy Land as a kid. It clashes terribly in a European heritage setting. Obviously the feeling is shared in reverse.
“Secrets of Chinatown” sure isn’t much of a movie, but it has a haunted house! As it’s from 1935, it’s interesting from a historical point of view.
Secrets of Chinatown (1935)
https://tubitv.com/movies/100016950/secrets-of-chinatown
A private eye investigating a crime wave in Vancouver’s Chinatown district uncovers a drug smuggling ring overseen by a sinister religious cult.
Warning: India has a counterpart to feng shui:
A guide to choosing between Vastu and Feng Shui practices
What Is the Difference Between Vastu Shastra and Feng Shui?
Get ready for Sino-Indo-Occidental wars. Decide for yourself:
Trump will likely not increase military spending, and probably de-escalate the already three fronts of war. So far as published data– US military spending is more than double that of China and Russia combined
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
You can blame the oligarchs but there are oligarchs in Europe too, but Germany and some other Germanic countries are not in a buttload of external debt:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frugal_Four
And North America is incredibly naturally endowed, you never have real earthquakes like the one just in Taiwan. America and Canada have total food security and are the world’s top food exporters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_power
But North Americans, middle class, buy alot of cheap trinkets Made-in-China, so rack up alot of debt. And not even realize it.
Thanks.
http://gbblog.sluggyjunx.com/2014/01/22/article-about-the-hopfenmaier-rendering-plant
I assume this is the house you mean? About four blocks away.
https://www.georgetowndc.com/guide/self-guided-kennedy-walking-tour/
More about the plant in an article on page 2 here.
https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/555366/1971-04-22.pdf?sequence=1
It looks like the plant was still active in 1971?
The west coast is seismically active. Definitely Japan is at higher risk but we do get them here at times.
The San Francisco earthquake of 1906 was bad, estimated as a 7.9.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_San_Francisco_earthquake
Agree that we do lots of agricultural land.
“It was so classic it was frightening. Ferlinghetti once lived there.”
Dug your comment. This is merely an amusing aside…
I can’t stand San Francisco, never lived there, never tried. Actually I adore the place, but despise the people who infest it (Me in the 90s: “SF and Big Sur are the world’s best arguments for the neutron bomb.”)
But I had a couple of friends who were grad students there, so I used to drive up from LA to visit them from time to time.
I knew what Ferlinghetti looked like, and so I used to go into the City Lights bookstore in order to annoy him, guerilla-style….
ME: (just amiably browsing the shelves)
FERLINGHETTI: Can I help you with anything?
ME: (feigning innocence) Yeah, can you recommend an actually good bookstore around here? I’m trying to find a decent translation of Su Tung-p’o, and all these fucktards have is the Burton Watson.
FERLINGHETTI: [his head explodes in fury] THIS IS THE CITY LIGHTS BOOKSTORE, THE FINEST BOOKSTORE IN ALL OF SAN FRANCISCO
ME: Yeah, well for a great bookstore, you’d think you’d have more than just the Cleary translation of I Ching. I mean… whut tha fuck?
FERLINGHETTI: [FUMES, MELTS INTO THE CORE OF THE EARTH]
It was a scream to behold.
Yeah, but the funds go much further in those countries. No $5,000 toilet seats. No DEI deadweight.
They’re piggy-backing on the real thing, St Francis and all that. (I mean “of Assisi”, not “Xavier”, but either one will do.)
It’s not just about appearance, though. There is some internal need in these people to feel morally superior to their neighbors. A species of one-upmanship. Some connect it to Calvinism, but I think it’s just a racial tic. I’ve always found this attitude annoying– and un-Christian, on the least reflection– and have never seen exhibited in any other race. Not once.
Totally. Non-Northwest Europeans – Indians and Japanese alike – know nothing of tradition and only care about money.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/japanese-hotel-oldest-in-the-world
I, for example, know nothing of my ancient ancestors unlike most Northwest Europeans. I can only trace back my ancestors to the 7th century with public historical records while my family has a genealogy book that only goes back to the 13th century (actually the record goes back that far, but the book was started physically a couple of hundred years later).
Said was wrong about a lot of things, but “Northwestern European Orientalism” of dismissing all nonwhites as similar is about as silly as the other side of the coin – Oriental fetishism that assigns ancient virtue and tradition to all things Eastern.
Homes of mid-tier Hong Kong millionaires in Hong Kong look no different than homes of mid-tier white tech millionaires in San Francisco: https://www.cnn.com/style/article/hong-kong-millionaire-party-homes/
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/loops/stellar/prod/duplex.webm?q=h_440,w_780,x_0,y_0
I had the opposite problem. The immigrant Chinese entrepreneur who owned a house I later bought was apparently an amateur horticulturalist and had too many trees and plants installed to create a lush garden look and it backfired and created lots of problems.
I had to have most of it ripped out (to be re-used by my landscape architect elsewhere), have much of the property regraded for proper drainage (and had to pay for soil credits up the wazoo), and had 55 or so more trees planted on the property. Initially, they looked pretty barren, but now they are all massively tall (well, I did lose about 4 to disease and to re-plant) and are absolutely gorgeous and compliment the property well.
You’re right, Quebec is nowhere near Anglophone Canada’s level of craziness. But I also think it makes no sense to blame everything that’s gone wrong with Canada on one man, even one as loathsome and influential as Pierre Trudeau. He couldn’t have done it alone, and he could only exploit something that was already there in Canadians.
I guess the fading importance of the monarchy and the British connection leaving a vacuum explains part of it but, whatever the reason, Canadians took to their new national identity with real enthusiasm.
Yellowknife 55% European race as of 2016.
A video of the house after its sale by the selling agent.. Some discussion of proposed alterations.
Jews have the lowest rate of worship attendance of any religious group. They are even more atheist than Swedes.
I agree that the greatest responsibility for this travesty lies with “our” political leadership.
Imagine a realtor, or Realtor, who somehow neglected to inform those prospective buyers about title covenants. In the NINJA* loan era, informing was rare. Who coulda knowed!
*No Income, No Job, No Assets
OK, so how and why were those nativists wrong in their assessment of non-Anglo peoples?
This is one area where the immigrants are just returning America to its own traditions.
Americans have lost their fear of fire. For centuries down to circa 1970, the first thing you did when you settled a new area of wilderness was to cut down all the trees. Not just for lumber, but because trees are a fire hazard. A house surrounded by trees WILL burn down. It’s a question of when, not if. (Same as a house in a flood plain will inevitably be inundated at some point.)
Stapleton Pitt Caldecott is such an over-the-top WASPy name that one would think it was made up.
Another sad tale of two seemingly capable people apparently unable to locate the nearest airport and fly home.
Yep, market liberalism is the death of nations. That’s why Britain just slumped into irrelevance and collapsed as a nation after 1689.
Meanwhile in Quebec. ” Home of Celine Dion”
Margaret Thatcher, although admirable in many ways, said “there is no such thing as society” Conservative-minded people should have rigorously called her out on that
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No, they shouldn’t have, because what she said was:
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“They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours.”
Obviously the cuts can’t impact blacks, gays, browns, trannies Muslims etc. So, brace yourself whitey.
Yikes. Steve’s photo of the lovely lady is VERY flattering.
Yes the rendering plant was in business until 1971 when the City finally bought the site. Long after the Kennedy family lived there. It’s a good story though. Some stories are too good to check.
Of course, one needs try to solve his problems first then look for aid from others if those problems are overwhelming. If one does not do that, one is a parasite and parasites weaken or even kill their host.
Nevertheless, Thatcher’s full quote still reveals that she sees the individual as isolated and not part of anything larger thus for her it would not be a problem that the English become a minority in their own country as long as someone is making money so yes conservative-minded people should have taken more umbrage than they did.
In Liberalism (Liberalism being understood as the classical political-economic doctrine established at the end of 17th century not that you are pro-gay marriage) groups don’t count, individuals and their freedom to make money count.
Most political scientists would quibble with this statement saying its simplistic but most political scientists would also agree that yes this statement does describe a part of Liberalism.
Most people on this forum would rather be poorer but have their fellow ethnic group (whites in the US, the English in England) be the majority in their homeland than to be slightly richer and have the English the third largest ethnic group after say the Punjabis and Nigerians.
They believe the houses are haunted by other people’s ancestors, so they tear them down. A common belief throughout Asia. The less superstitious just don’t like being reminded of the history and heritage of other races.
The attention whore is basically correct. She’s probably not smart enough to quite articulate and yet canny enough to understand that articulating it fully, but the plain truth is …
preservation is “racist”. (In the modern sense of the term.)
“Preservation” basically asserts that there is value in the history of a people and their accomplishments and developments in a particular place. And that specifically means–as a Western interest–asserting that there is value in the contributions of stale pales who built their nations, which should be maintained. Sounds “racist” to me.
Preservation is utterly pointless with mass immigration.
What possible point is there to trying to preserve a bunch of really only historically interesting buildings if you are destroying the people and culture that built them, that flows from that history?
Mass immigration is like a neutron bomb. The people annihilated, the physical infrastructure left intact. But there’s no reason the new occupants should give a flying rats ass about the history, culture, architecture of those they conquered and replaced. They–quite legimately–want to change the infrastructure–including architecture–to meet their needs. And there is no reason some historical stuff about the old residents should trump that.
The most recent PRC defense chief, was removed in less than a year, for allegedly partaking in graft
That said China has took lesson from Soviets in trying compete with USA on military spending
American military spending has actually decreased since Cold War– relative to GDP, except that GDP dollar figure is now dramatically more extracted from FIRE, legal, and social media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
Pierre was indeed loathsomely arrogant but yes he couldn’t have done it all by his lonesome (although he tried really, really hard).
If you read the old magazine and newspaper comments by pundits who were not his friends on the eve of Pierre’s retirement from politics the emphasis was that Pierre was an economic failure but at least he ended the image of Canada as a BORING place.
In its conservative heyday, foreigners and Canadians equally described Canada as safe, conservative and BORING. After all, Barbara Streisand refused Pierre’s offer of marriage because she didn’t want to move to such a boring place as Canada.
With the great cultural change in the Trudeau era, Canadians could kill two birds with one stone-they could remain as the counter-Americans but now they were not boring! Now they were as exciting as Sweden! The world could look up to Canada- it was progressive on all the important stuff, the stuff that really mattered…gay rights (the be all and end all), Chinese oppression of Tibet, feminism, immigration, not being racist, standing up to that awful big blue meanie Putin, standing up to Trump-liking, racist, sexist, ignorant redneck truckers etc..
The world can look up to Canada as the counter-America that does right and is EXCITING! When a Canadian visited Europe, people saw him or her coming from a country of endless, boring forests and thus probably smelling of pine and fur but now when everyone sees a Canadian they know he or she is from the country where the PM is not afraid to march with gay people and defend them from genocidal oppression (how brave of Justin!) and the very same PM is not afraid to stand up to racist, homophobic, womyn-hatin’ truckers (how brave of Justin!). Surely, Canadians must feel to be proud of being from such an exciting, non-boring place.
After all, Canada got several Simpsons episodes already and they were overwhelming positive because Lisa (yes, Lisa!) liked gay-friendly, non-racist, non-sexist Canada and her exciting, not-boring Prime Minister Justin. And again, if the Simpsons like you than you are not a boring place-and that’s all that matters really.
The scam is more, who is this named after ?? a bad white man so I wanna redevelop this and flip it in 5 years for 7.5 CD$ after paying 3.8 mm
Its less a sril lankan broad worrying about racism in Canada than her bank account.
Where definitely in totemic epistemology and iconoclasm at this stage. Ya know like the third world.
Rishi Sunak is a go-getter, as was Disraeli.
Rome also had is zenith after it quit being a Republic and “Roman” in any sense of the word. I take it you appreciate Yglesias’ Billion Americans argument.
Maybe this is a little early, but I feel confident that if the second volume of your collected works was entitled
” Stapleton Caldecott was Right!” it would be well received.
Yes, but what portion of the other 45% antedated the presence of the “European race”? The latter constitutes “Second Nation”, after all. What we need to know is how many are Third Nation.
These are Yellowknives:
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
It’s the sort of thing JFK bootlegger father would have done, to be sure …
Well, I do appreciate Yglesias being “out” with his anti-white genocidal impulses.
But, of course, I was just mocking your vapid “it’s the protestants!” nonsense.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/biden-administration-race-doesnt-exist-but/#comment-6499815
The Anglo Sphere thrived with for 270 years after the Glorious Revolution. Canada–the US, Britain, Australia, New Zealand–were all highly functional nations in 1960. They were not “minoritarian” but majoritarian self-confident nations, proud of their heritage. Then ….
I guess it must have been the Calvinists making their long march through the institutions that is responsible for crazy wokeism.
Probably three surnames strung together.
I looked at her pictures on Instagram and in some of them she displays enough cleavage to park a bicycle.
I like their furniture. Color choices are boring, which seems to be the fashion.
Oh, who cares. First of all, you’re no doubt a liar. This is the internet, after all. And second of all, who fucking cares about your fictional little narrative here. You have no point. You just want to bloviate and apotheosize yourself for nothing. Fucking blowhard.
Only fucking dickheads, btw, think bookstores are libraries, fer krissake.
Meanwhile in America’s version of Siberia . . .
Dominicans in Alaska live in Anchorage, Juneau, Wasilla, Palmer, Eagle River, Fairbanks and Valdez, among other areas. Almost all of them have more than one job. Their jobs range from fishing, fish processing and sales, masonry, construction, housekeeping and cleaning, to hotel and restoration services.
https://www.soldemedianochenews.org/alaskan-dominicans-want-a-center-for-assistance-in-anchorage.html
Nevertheless, Thatcher’s full quote still reveals that she sees the individual as isolated and not part of anything larger thus for her it would not be a problem that the English become a minority in their own country as long as someone is making money so yes conservative-minded people should have taken more umbrage than they did.
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It doesn’t reveal that.
I like to play chess, mostly online as I have trouble finding over-the-board opponents, and often the opponent’s country is quite literally flagged up in online chess. One thing I have noticed is that like no other nationality, Indians will try for a draw after some disaster, like losing their queen. Not resign, a draw. It isn’t cheating but it does suggest a way of looking at the world that feels alien.
Rome never ceased being Roman.
I still stand by my reading of Thatcher’s quote. Maybe I’m reading it wrong?
But the USA has tried to make Canucks exciting by featuring them in a radio series starting in 1938.
or
https://archive.org/details/OTRR_Challenge_of_the_Yukon_Singles
TV.
To me it looks like partly a legacy of that whole English rote liberal education machinery the British imported wholesale into India to educate/assimilate the upper classes.
It all — all of our values, our shared paradigms — becomes a system for the Indians to study and imitate…but on an entirely superficial level. What they actually believe and what they practice is something else entirely.
Paul Theroux, in The Great Railway Bazaar, recounts a conversation he had with two Bangladeshi (not very different) family planning functionaries in the Eighties or so. They both fervently believed in population control. Went on and on about how important it was.
‘And how many children do you have?’
‘Five.’
‘Seven.’
When a Ramaswamy or a Nikki Haley or a Bobby Jindal says something, you may find it congenial, or you may not — but I tend to be very skeptical of their sincerity. Of course all politicians have to tailor their message to their audience — but do the Indians believe a word of it? At all?
So Jewishness is even more superficial and evanescent than Christianity.
Absent the crutches of the Holocaust and Israel it would vanish entirely. That’s really it, isn’t it, Jack?
Without those, you’d be just…Jack.
Intellect for college maths, burdened instead with copium.
Absent the crutches of the Holocaust and Israel it would vanish entirely.
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Thanks for the wishcast.
“Oh, who cares.”
Well technically, nobody cares. Except somebody looking for a minor chuckle. Which is rather minimal caring, I’d say.
PRO TIP: Stay the hell out of pubs. The conversation there would make your head explode.
“First of all, you’re no doubt a liar.”
Hee hee, okay. You’re the big man expert about doubts and liars. But then again, as you stated above… why do you care? After all this is just the internet, a series of tubes as they say, and I’m not filling out a job application or applying for a national security clearance. So you’re right… who cares? Why do you?
“You just want to bloviate and apotheosize yourself for nothing.”
Yes, that makes perfect sense, I already have an international audience from my own work but instead I want to try and impress a bunch of angry middle-aged spluttering white guys on the interwebs in order to… what, exactly? Lead a John Brown attack, like Corvinus keeps urging them to do?
“Only fucking dickheads, btw, think bookstores are libraries, fer krissake.”
Man, you really don’t know how jokes work, do you. If you’re that piss-ignorant about how comedy works, you really shouldn’t be splashing round in this end of the pool. I didn’t think bookstores were libraries; I was playing Bugs Bunny to LF’s Elmer Fudd.
And you were doing so well with your previous account of the awesome SF apartment.
Like the nuns used to stamp on our homework assignments: VERY GOOD. KEEP TRYING.
Above all, he went out and got himself a very rich wife.
Sunak hasn’t said or done anything since becoming PM that suggests he is a great leader of any kind. Among other things, a great Tory leader would have realized that the only chance the Tories have of winning the next election is to slash immigration down to the levels that they’ve been promising voters for the last 13 years, but have yet to deliver on. Instead Sunak went out and fired Suella Braverman, an immigration hardliner.
Sunak will be a mere footnote in British history. Or possibly remembered as the first PM to rule at the dawn of Brown Britannia. But he’s certainly no Disraeli.
Many years ago I used to enjoy online poker, which was also very much international. The middle eastern players distinguished themselves every time by going all-in virtually every time they bet.
Sometimes they’d vanquish everyone else but more often they’d self-annihilate. Nothing in between, though. No nuance, no strategy, just the nuclear option every time. Most would disappear as quickly as they’d come along. Weird stuff.
Yes of course. But to put it in perspective, the earthquake that just took place in Japan was 7.5, and not in remote Aleutian Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
The destroyed skyscraper and fire tornado from the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, which took place somewhere as densely populated as Manhanttan
Thanks for the info. That map is very striking.
There doesn’t seem to be a way to include pictures when all I have is an iPhone.
I’ve had that too. Indians, but also Middle Easterners. Highly aggressive, getting their queen out at the start (generally a bad idea in chess). And then getting a nasty surprise. Recently I lost a rook to such an early queen attack. The trouble for him was that his queen became trapped when I swung a knight round to block his escape route. For a rook and a knight, he lost his queen – not an overwhelming material loss but his game went to pieces after that.
22% Redskins in 2016, from memory.
Personally I subscribe to the Kennewick Man Solutrean theory.
So would I, the airport queues for British passport holders are absolutely insane.
I almost wish I was a Paddy, almost.
Ben Gurion (David Grün), thought without a Zionist state Jews would eventually vanish.
Most Jews weren’t Zionists a hundred years ago. Now it’s rare not to be a Zionist Jew. Maybe Grün was right.
No.
You are right. That’s why Philip the Arab was called the Arab. If you think about it, Erdogan is really an heir to the Caesars.
Unzites complain about population replacement. They miss the big picture. I’m with you, Catiline, the system is what counts. That Eagle is going to keep flying high. Does it matter whose descendants run the country?
Juvenal’s complaints about the Syrian Orontes polluting the Tiber were just the whining of a contrarian.
would rather be poorer but have their fellow ethnic group (whites in the US, the English in England) be the majority in their homeland
I think that experiment has been done. Poland, Romania, Russia etc., are all very non-diverse but the people from those lands are voting with their feet to move to diverse places like U.K., U.S., Canada, Germany etc., When I visited London many years back, I was surprised by the language I heard most on the tube: Polish.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/914417/polish-population-of-uk-regions/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/24/romanian-second-most-common-non-british-nationality-uk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/183cmHs1NCzL61ghjRvgMJ/five-things-we-learned-about-russians-in-the-uk
You should be able to cut and paste a link to an image in your comment. Just make sure the link is really an image and ends in gif/jpg/png/webp/?
Can embed Twitter/X, YouTube, Amazon, and more content in the same way.
Thanks, I’ll give that a try.
I didn’t have any luck trying to embed a YouTube video, it just displayed the link rather the video.
Can you provide us with a reference?
The Arab had no impact whatsoever on Rome, fool.
You are babbling nonsense here.
Juvenal was a satirist not an historian.
Dna proves my point. Imperial Rome was not populated by the descendants of the original Romans. If you look at the individual genealogies of later emperors, they often were provincials with little or no connection to the original population. In other words, they were Rishi Sunak.
And LOL, satirists are often an important source of historical information. Juvenal was observing demographic trends in the city, doing so in a witty manner.
Not where I saw it but first I could find-
https://www.jta.org/archive/u-s-jewry-will-not-survive-without-link-with-israel-ben-guion-says
That would be Castro, the President dad of Justin of ill repute.
The question is : will the rest of the world survive one.
The jihad against asbestos is another manifestation of this. To people who remembered the apocalyptic conflagrations of WWII (and earlier), asbestosis was a small price to pay for fireproof buildings.