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Rumors are flying that last week’s Eradicate Hate Global Summit conference in Pittsburgh, featuring lots of Biden Administration speakers, was not a love-in, with lots of unhappy campers. Among speakers, I don’t see many blacks, but many whites, especially Jews:

Among the 13 keynote speakers at the Eradicate Hate Global Summit conference this month, I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman. Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.

The Eradicate Hate biz is a highly competitive one. If you don’t give a career boost to your friends and relatives they won’t give a boost to your career to you.

 
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  1. Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    • Agree: bomag, TWS
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Yancey Ward

    Some people have been waiting a little while for it. Just this week I saw a bumper sticker left over from the last election:
    GIANT METEOR 2020
    just end it already

    , @AndrewR
    @Yancey Ward

    Why despair when you can laugh? The
    Twitter responses to her had me dying. My favorite was "whoa black Betty, Ramalingam"

    I can't stop singing it now

    , @Charles
    @Yancey Ward

    Even an outbreak of Legionnaires' Disease would be helpful.

    , @anonymous
    @Yancey Ward

    Yancey Ward says:
    September 26, 2022 at 3:55 am GMT • 10.5 hours ago ↑
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Alfa158

    I respond:

    Or someone who didn't like a Salman Rushdie novel or massive USA military support of Israel.

    Bobby Kennedy was all poised to be that Liberal Camelot hollywood blond night in shining armor in 1968. He had dumped the anti Castro Communism, the Truman, Harvard Best and the Brightest CIA containment of Communism and was off with the Viet Nam war - all down with the New Left. But somehow he didn't figure out that being for all things POC and anti traditional WASP American history didn't jibe with all out military support for Israel. One Arab/Palestinian immigration Sirhan Sirhan took exception.

    I'm sure all the J lesbian BLM, Woke speakers at this "Eradicate Hate" Conference in Pittsburg would give lip service to bashing Israel - assure everyone with say OAC, BLM End Apartheid in Israel/Palestine (Is Jimmy Carter still around?). But it would just be lip service and everyone knows that.

    This scene sounds a lot like a J version of the witches scenes in Macbeth.

    , @Matthew Kelly
    @Yancey Ward

    God helps those who help themselves.

    , @Liza
    @Yancey Ward

    There is some yap yap going around that there is going to be a mega crash of some sort on November 2nd. This year.

    Nomi Prins’ Great Distortion is a prediction that the United States could soon see a massive $150 trillion transfer of wealth as the real-world economy and the market economy become completely disconnected.

    I don't trust anybody when they put specific dates on events, tho.

    , @Forbes
    @Yancey Ward

    And the week was topped off with the Global Citizen Fest in Central Park, NYC, where Nancy Pelosi made a surprise appearance--and got booed by the crowd. Talk about hate...

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-booed-during-surprise-appearance-nyc-music-festival-videos-appear-show

  2. If hate is the problem perhaps we need a Ministry of Love ?

    I am sure there are useful precedents.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AKAHorace

    The opposite of hate isn’t love... that would be indifference.

    , @Supply and Demand
    @AKAHorace

    this is the most boomer movie ever made.

  3. You got the name wrong. It’s the Eradicate, Hate Conference.
    They were heavy on the Hate this time, still working on the Eradicate. All in due time of course. Punctuality is white supremacy

  4. Vidhya Ramalingam

    Wow. Her name is literally “dick-ramming video”.

    • Disagree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "Ramalingam"?

    Couldn't resist this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6JbemSdORo

  5. Secular Jews are playing a dangerous game. They think POC activists will include them in their anti-White coalition but seats are limited and competition is fierce.

    Sooner rather than later they will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel

    But the POC activists also have their internal splits. Right now many are Indian women coming from high-caste families. So far, remarkably few people are willing to ask questions how the offspring of Indias top 1% families can portray themselves as victims compared to, say, poor White working-class men.

    But since Whites are the ultimate villains in this world, the attack will come from elsewhere. How long until they are thrown under the bus for being caste oppressors by “dalit activists”?

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop – or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Thulean Friend


    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop – or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.
     
    That’s assuming that there is no central controlling authority.

    The money and the media are kept under tight control by the people really in charge as any leftist who steps too far out of line knows.

    Think of it like Mao keeping tight control of the PLA Air Force during the cultural revolution.
    , @Bugg
    @Thulean Friend

    Peter Rodino/Charles J. Hynes Effect; at some point the blacks you suppose you represent count the noses. And figure out no matter how much the white guy may have delivered and accomodated them for decades, he is not one of them. Let's get one of our own in that office instead.

    Not sure they powers that be understand that. They assume, as humans tend to do in so many things, yesterday guarantees tommorrow will be exactly the same. Not at all crazy from their perspective to wonder why the likes of ancient fossils like Biden, Pelosi and Hoyer have the top jobs when they're very dependent on black votes and working and middle class whites are not part of COTF.

    , @Pierre de Craon
    @Thulean Friend


    Sooner rather than later they [i.e., Jews] will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.
     
    It's difficult to work up sympathy for an ethnic group that owns so many major publishing firms that its members are assured of a warm reception for books that do little but whine about how tough things are getting for them.
    , @I, Libertine
    @Thulean Friend

    If I were to question any of my second-generation Indian co-workers or acquaintances about the caste to which they belong, what kind of a reaction would I get?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  6. My mother always told us we look White, but we’re not. She was adamant that we’re Jewish, not White.

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European “White” family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Or ask Mike Wallace. He knows.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Moses

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European “White” family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Jews can believe whatever they want.

    However DNA tests already revealed that Ashkenazi are European/Semite hybrids and in America they become more Ameri-mutt with each generation. I always thought that was pretty obvious but there have been both Jews and Christians that seemed to think they had somehow preserved their DNA since leaving Israel. It was supposed to be "by chance" that Russian Jews had lighter skin than say Spanish Jews. Kind of a duh like how it is "by chance" that so many Black leaders are mulattoes. Right.

    Old news in fact:
    https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

    , @Jack D
    @Moses

    You know the old saying about Jews - no not that one. I mean "two Jews, three opinions".

    AFAIK, no one appointed Mike Wallace (who is dead anyway) the spokesman for the Jews. It sounded to me like he was just trying to sound provocative and on another day might have said the opposite if it suited him on that day.

    As for rabbis, what kind of rabbis? Unmixed Semitic heritage is not to my knowledge a point of theology for any Jewish sect. There are rabbinic rules concerning conversion and "who is a Jew" and so on but none of them demand unmixed racial heritage to the beginning of time - you are getting Jews mixed up with Nazis. And Reform Rabbis disagree with Orthodox Rabbis regarding just about everything. Reform Rabbis don't even think that Moses actually existed - he is some sort of invented amalgam or literary hero from a work of fiction called the Bible.

    In any case, as JJ says, nothing that Mike Wallace and "the rabbis" say can change the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture, sort of the mirror image of Mexicans. Mexicans are Indio in the matrilineal line and white in the paternal line, while among Jews, the women are the "white" half.

    This seemingly contradicts Jewish custom which holds that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child (on the grounds that you can never REALLY know who a kid's father is) but not really because conversion is recognized by Judaism and was even more so in the past before the Church and Islam beat proselytization out of the Jews. In fact this is one of the ironies of anti-Semitism - OTOH, anti-Semites abhor that Jews are a closed group but OTOH they are the ones that closed it in the first place.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Richard B
    @Moses

    "How are we going to get rid of racism?"

    As if Black History month is going to get rid of a word whose meaning changes whenever the latest shakedown craze comes along.

    But really, the best part of the interview is that Wallace inadvertently let the cat out of the bag - twice.

    , @NOTA
    @Moses

    I think DNA evidence says that Ashkenazi Jews are about an even mix of Hebrew men and Italian women, so at least half white.

  7. If you don’t give a career boost to your friends and relatives they won’t give a boost to your career to you.

  8. I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.

    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized “Hate” and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    • Thanks: Thoughts
    • Replies: @Inverness
    @clifford brown


    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting).
     
    No one had better be. Counting is even worse than noticing.

    Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.
     
    Jews are by far the wealthiest, most privileged group in America. Not exactly oppressed. Although you are right that Trump did kill a bunch of them, so there's that.
    , @Janbar
    @clifford brown

    Exactly. The head of counter-terrorism in the UK (Paul Basu of the Metropolitan Police) attended a conference in Israel where he received a special briefing on how to deal with white extremists.

    , @René Fries
    @clifford brown

    The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting

    "Why, for the UN, Is One Mosque Massacre So Much Worse than Countless Church Massacres?
    (...) Muslims have eliminated 60,000 Christians between just 2009 and 2021, an August 2021 report states that, during that same time frame, Muslims also destroyed or torched 17,500 churches and 2,000 Christian schools" ( https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18532/mosque-church-massacres).

    But then, of course, jihâd is an obligation (Q 4:95 for instance) to Muslims.

    , @Dr. X
    @clifford brown


    Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.
     
    Funny how much the Jews hate Orange Hitler, despite the fact that no president ever has been a more subservient bootlicker to Israel...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Bill Jones
    @clifford brown

    Trumps mortal sin was popularism. It's fine for the Left to advocate hatred of the Right. It's acceptable for the Right to foster disdain for the Left but encouraging the people to rise against the Established Powers is a no-no.

    , @AnotherDad
    @clifford brown


    I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized “Hate” and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective.
     
    Are they working on policies to actually reduce hate?

    I can think of a few very specific pro-social, pro-community, pro-national-solidarity policies that would reduce division and "hate" and if they'd been followed the last several decades would definitely have reduced our outright eliminated a whole bunch of terrorist attacks.
    , @Muggles
    @clifford brown

    So in this conference "Hate" is all about Muslims.

    Some are hateful Muslims (attacking Rushdie) and others are attacking some remote nation's mosque because, well, Muslims are so nice and all.

    But El Supremo keeps harping that "white extremists" and MAGA hatters are the real haters. Enemies of Democracy and all.

    So they couldn't find any Proud Boys still running loose? Boy Scouts? 'My Pillow' customers?

    Instead they are just importing foreign haters and 'Religion of Peace' haters who hate other religions and in particular, people of their religion who belong to to wrong sect.

    Jews of course are experts on Muslim haters. They can show others how to eliminate that, Gaza style...

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @New Dealer
    @clifford brown

    I had abandoned the hard left and was looking for new political orientations in the 80s. I spent some time with DC neocons. They asked me to help on emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union. I - naively - asked why not help Christians too? They looked at each other with slight smirks and said, well, if the Christians want to organize something like that they can.

    I thought about that a lot in later years.

    Looks like the hate conference had the same flavor.

    Replies: @Jack D

  9. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    Some people have been waiting a little while for it. Just this week I saw a bumper sticker left over from the last election:
    GIANT METEOR 2020
    just end it already

  10. What are Hindus and Sikhs even doing in America? What was wrong with America being 90 percent-White-European?

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, SOL
  11. The conference’s logo gives me the creeps. It looks like something evil space aliens would rig up to harvest human blood or something.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @International Jew

    OT - Some months ago I posted a comment regarding the renaming of the Washington Redskins to the Commanders, expressing the wish that it would morph into 'the Commies' in fan parlance. I think I recall this comment receiving a "LOL" from you (cbf checking), so you may be interested to learn that I heard it being used in just such a way in a youtube sports show called "This Week In Sportsball", albeit to wry comedic effect in the course of commenting on a Week 2 matchup with the Lions: "harkening back to the days of organized labor, the Lions proceeded to seize the means of production from the Commies." But hey, it's a start. ("Sportsball" itself is a term widely used in alt/diss right circles, so who knows, the dude running the channel could be a Sailer reader.)

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SFG

    , @Matthew Kelly
    @International Jew

    I wouldn't be so quick to discard that theory...

  12. Yeah, the Neoconeoliberal death-machine is doing a great job of infiltrating every tribe. The hasbara here are numerous, mixing race-realism with their relentless bullshit denial of the truths central to Kevin MacDonald’s work, the Jewish power behind the anti-white grievance culture, the fact that Zionists dictate America’s foreign policy to the detriment of the American people, etc. Meanwhile the tribe that reads The Washington Post is treated to the monstrous Jennifer Rubin marrying unapologetic, bloodthirsty Zionist madness with the most unhinged, hateful woke poison.

  13. America next.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let's review:

    "God, country and family," - dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, - dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, - dangerous
    globalism, - dangerous
    the "LGBT lobby," - dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @René Fries, @James Speaks, @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    She's campaigned under the slogan "God, country and family," fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, opposes mass immigration, globalism, the "LGBT lobby," and is pro-life.
     
    Good news. Thanks Johnny.

    I've pointed out just a few ships from the Italian Navy could easily shut down the whole Mediterranean migrant scam, if there was political will to do so. Of course, that requires
    a) taking aggressive and firm action
    b) standing up to the howls of outrage from professional whiners.

    I maintain some small silver of hope that Europe--or at least a section thereof--will save itself even as America heads down the tubes.


    America next.
     
    You can have the "Republican" party win an election ... but that just lessens the bleeding a bit .. for a while.

    America is a much tougher nut. Hard core minoritarians are deeply entrenched in the establishment, and their ridiculous and toxic ideology has co-opted millions of minds and become de rigueur in the establishment. And our first-past-the-post voting system tends to push two-party conformity and now inhibits the rise of a real nationalist alternative. And effectively disenfranchises tens of millions of core Americans from being able to demand that their interests catered to even in a nominally "conservative" Congressional majority.
    , @JimDandy
    @JohnnyWalker123

    And despite some of her rhetoric, her election is seen as a rebuke against the EU's anti-Russia fervor.

  14. Looking at the speaker line up it is a constellation mix of police state bureaucrats, tech companies that control the discourse and information, academics who feed at the trough of government contracts to study extremism and help plot counter insurgency strategies and assorted hedge fund types who can and do call the shots. Rather than focus on anyone’s race, focus on what they do. Seems like this is just the usual strategizing to control information and keep the population docile, pacified, atomized, weak and powerless.

    There are bog conferences and get togethers like this at least monthly around the country and its been going on for decades. This is not about the common folk or their concerns. Nary a word about Neo Nazis and white supremacists in the military and police. Hmm, What could be more hateful than armed racist cops who each year kill hundreds of people of all races, but pretty much all poor?

  15. The Eradicate Hate Global Summit is the most comprehensive anti-hate conference in the world. It unites experts and leaders from around the globe, who are dedicated to eradicating all forms of hate-fueled violence. The mission of the Summit is to identify and implement effective solutions for collective change.

    The “haters” are the Others. And we must eliminate their “hate-fueled violence.” This obviously requires eradication of violent haters. And it goes without saying that hating hate is a form of love. So love-fueled violence will destroy the Others and reign supreme over the ensuing collective utopia, forever and ever.

    Now, remind me again, which side are you on?

  16. Eradicate Hate = Tea-tie charade.

    Eradicate Hate = Diet cheat area.

    Vidhya Ramalingam =

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: SafeNow, Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg,

    Only one response possible:

    https://youtu.be/qi-jnDSuxf4

    , @fish
    @Reg Cæsar

    You never disappoint……!

  17. Only one black person,not even an American blacketty black,yet they still do the rhyme thing.

  18. Sounds like a TERF war. Some geezer in a dress was disinvited to an orgy.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Henry's Cat

    "Sounds like a TERF war. Some geezer in a dress was disinvited to an orgy."

    Shouldn't that be "sheezer"?

  19. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting).

    No one had better be. Counting is even worse than noticing.

    Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Jews are by far the wealthiest, most privileged group in America. Not exactly oppressed. Although you are right that Trump did kill a bunch of them, so there’s that.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • LOL: fish
  20. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds fun!

    Idk why folks need to know all the juicy details. Just accept the fact that bad behaviour had happened, and offer solidarity to the victim(s) affected. There's no need to turn this into a gossip fodder or getting huffy about not being invited. Don't make this about you. https://t.co/NLyE7DWdvD— M (@MuniraMustaffa) September 26, 2022

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Shut up!", she explained.

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I noticed (others did too) that the original tweet was very short on details:

    "We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week"

    What this "range of events" was is very vague. I agree with Munira. If a female Person of Color says that "bad behaviour had happened" we should take their word for it in all cases (where the accused are also Persons of Color). We know that women never lie about such things. And who is better equipped to judge whether something (perhaps an inappropriate remark about hair) is bad than Women of Color, who have experienced so many bad things in their life in white supremacist America?

    Following from this, Ms. Ramalingam should not only be allowed to pronounce guilt upon the evil doers but also specify their punishment. Of course, she shouldn't be allowed to specify torture or mutilation or anything like that, but a swift painless execution would not be out of order for insulting someone's hairdo.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  21. David Cole’s comments about blacks considering Jews superwhites come to mind……

  22. Great speech.

    Why is the family an enemy? Why is the family so frightening…?

    Because it defines us. Because it’s our identity.

    • Thanks: Clark Kent, EddieSpaghetti
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Rob McX

    To follow up on my last post: Can we have her for World Dictator? Because not only does she talk sense, she does it in Italian [swoons]

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Rob McX

    It would be nice if we had opposition like this Italian lady. Blumpft! did nothing whilst white and black joined together to shitcan cities during George Floyd's Summer of Joy. Blumpft! was taking notes from Mossad sayanim Jared and Ivanka who worked to subvert the best Blumpft! policies.

    The Republicans? Mostly a sad and weaselly collection of impotent grifters overly concerned with corporate tax cuts and abortion. There are a few promising youngsters in the GOP and conservative commentariat, but the DC boomers are essentially spaghetti string mRNA blood clots in the body politic.

    DeSantis is making the right moves and identifying the political and cultural enemies of autonomy and freedom. But can he speak Italian?

    Replies: @CCG

  23. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574221326004396034

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1574149045660024832

    America next.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @AnotherDad, @JimDandy

    Let’s review:

    “God, country and family,” – dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, – dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, – dangerous
    globalism, – dangerous
    the “LGBT lobby,” – dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    • Disagree: René Fries
    • LOL: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @René Fries
    @James Speaks

    ...ooops, I meant to click on "agree".

    My home country Luxembourg had +/-350.000 inhabitants when I left it (1959) and now has =/-650.000. No problems because no Muslims [the few thousands of Blacks being of Portuguese/Capverdian cultural (catholic) background]. Belgium where I live, has a population made up of 16,4% of immigrants, the major part of whom are European (54%), whilst 25,8% come from Africa (most from ex-Belgian Congo, i.e. Catholics) and 15,6% from Asia. Muslims make out +/-6%, too little to make that impact they're making in GB, F and D.

    So in both countries, a "dangerous" politician to be "afraid" of is not in sight (yet).

    , @James Speaks
    @James Speaks

    Apologies to all. I seem to have forgotten to use the and tags.

    , @Polistra
    @James Speaks

    What do you call a female hitler anyway? Hitlerette?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @James Speaks


    “God, country and family,” – dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, – dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, – dangerous
    globalism, – dangerous
    the “LGBT lobby,” – dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous
     
    Well, if these aren't the signs of a domestic terrorist, what is?
  24. From her public LinkedIn profile:

    Vidhya Ramalingam

    University of Oxford
    M.Phil., Migration Studies

    Cornell University
    B.A., Anthropology, Inequality Studies

    So,basically, you can get degrees from the great universities of the English-speaking world nowadays simply by signing up for indoctrination classes.

    • Thanks: SOL
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @PiltdownMan

    Is that real? SMDH...

    Is there an Anti-Whiteness Studies program yet?

    The first result from DDG is Scientific American:

    The Truth about Anti-White Discrimination
    Many white Americans feel that discrimination against whites is on the rise. Experiments suggests otherwise

    Not a single study has found a reliable anti-white bias.


     

    Well yeah, because if your study did show such bias, it would never see print, and you'd lose your job anyway.
  25. What’s she talking about anyway?

  26. Dr. Freud here. The paradigm of hate is that X’s fear (and thus hate) of people who are different leads X to seek the comforting and safe support of people who are like X. And then X can breathe a sigh of relief, ah!, nice to be here. But in this case, there was no sigh of relief; rather, the hate turned inward, sort of like the self-derogatory hate of depression, but at the group level. The Jews, I guess. Dissension, contentiousness, and conflict inevitably emerge, even at the very last place that should happen.

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @SafeNow

    Freud Jr. here. It sounds like they all hate their fathers and want to screw their mothers. Lock 'em all up, I say. Bunch of whack jobs.

  27. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    Exactly. The head of counter-terrorism in the UK (Paul Basu of the Metropolitan Police) attended a conference in Israel where he received a special briefing on how to deal with white extremists.

    • Thanks: Thoughts, Gordo
  28. Francois Truffaut’s 1966 version of Farenheit 451 seems to have captured the zeitgeist of today pretty well..

    ‘Hate hate. Be tolerant, today.’

  29. Methinks it would be a good time to bait a trap for these bozos. Organize a “Stop the Rape” Global Conference, with an all-White panel and participants, which focuses on Black-on-White rape, by far the most prevalent kind of rape in this country, and which addresses all the different varieties: BM-WF (genocidal levels), BM-WM (prison) and BM-WM (gay community).

    The photo optics would be, well, interesting: Antifa and BLM attacking an “anti-rape” conference, leftard pundits having their heads explode because they can’t denounce “anti-rape” and also can’t denounce imaginary white supremacy in this context. What can they complain about? “You’re racist! You didn’t include black women rape victims who were raped by…. um, er, black men? (there are virtually no instances of black women being raped by white or Asian men, so that leaves, um, uh, er, um…. RACIST! ANTI-SEMITE! SUPREMACIST!)

    It would be like in those sci-fi movies where the super-computer explodes when it is asked a paradoxical self-contradicting question.

    • Agree: S, René Fries, James Speaks
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Wouldn't progressives just call that cherry-picking? They are immune to statistical evidence. Their reaction-formation or crime stop is highly developed. They still don't believe that the overwhelming majority of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks.

  30. @International Jew
    The conference's logo gives me the creeps. It looks like something evil space aliens would rig up to harvest human blood or something.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Matthew Kelly

    OT – Some months ago I posted a comment regarding the renaming of the Washington Redskins to the Commanders, expressing the wish that it would morph into ‘the Commies’ in fan parlance. I think I recall this comment receiving a “LOL” from you (cbf checking), so you may be interested to learn that I heard it being used in just such a way in a youtube sports show called “This Week In Sportsball”, albeit to wry comedic effect in the course of commenting on a Week 2 matchup with the Lions: “harkening back to the days of organized labor, the Lions proceeded to seize the means of production from the Commies.” But hey, it’s a start. (“Sportsball” itself is a term widely used in alt/diss right circles, so who knows, the dude running the channel could be a Sailer reader.)

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @silviosilver

    Do the extremely woke use the term “sportsball” as well?

    , @SFG
    @silviosilver

    I’ve seen ‘sportsball’ among leftist women and on Slate Star Codex, so I think it may be a geek/jock thing, rather than purely political. The geek/jock divide can be seen in Aristotle, where he says that natural slaves are stronger than natural free men. The episode where his olives were stolen by stronger youths before the Olympic Games is lost to history.

    Replies: @Known Fact

  31. Isn’t “Eradicate Hate” a sort of… hateful thing to say, anyway?

    Hate is a normal human emotion. To want to “Eradicate” it seems too harsh, besides being impossible.

    (P. S. To be fair, I guess what they really mean is “Eradicate Whites”, but they can’t say it out loud (yet).)

    • Agree: AndrewR
  32. The Jewish boomers born in New York City in the 40s-60s truly have lost their minds and are incapable of understanding the political and social terrain.

    See Jon Stewart having a total breakdown. (Hilariously he recently presented some award in the US to an Avoz brigade fighter who had his neo-nazi tattoos covered with a flesh-toned basketball sleeve.)

    See Jennifer Rubin revealing her darkest instincts with no consequence.

    Trump won because of nice white gentile life long democrats in the Great Lake states who voted for Obama twice. They did this because Trump had a total monopoly in expressing their rational social and economic grievances about neoliberal economic policies which includes mass immigration. If you want him gone and want the far right to stop profiting from this monopoly you have only to embrace a pro-social and not irrational immigration position yourself. They would have gladly voted for Sanders if he’d been allowed on the ballot and absolutely voted for a version of Sanders which articulated his anti-mass migration stance prior to the Great Awokening last seen only in 2011. They didn’t vote for a demagogue, they voted for policies. The response to this was hysterical to say the least and basically amounted to a media coup campaign for 4 years. This destroyed the sense of legitimacy of American democracy for liberal progressives (The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine) and then when Trump lost in 2020 destroyed it for people who voted for Trump. Good job.

    This lesson was learned in Denmark. Astonishingly it is so far the only country in the West where the mainstream left has embrace policies that would put even some of the explicitly anti-immigration parties to shame. And, sadly, it seems only because a unique political situation led to it receiving far less immigration post 2000 than other countries. Basically immigrants were too few and too marginal to impose a veto on ethnic Danes talking about immigration and feeling like they owned Denmark.

    Like the also Jewish neocon push against Russia in a move that is geopolitically aggressive and not defensive we see a delusional lack of introspection about who is pushing whose boundaries. The Russians would never back down because they saw this as what it was intended to be, an aggression and a threat. As both Obama and retired general Macgregor (He doesn’t capitalise gregor in his name) have said the same thing, this is a Cod War, where one side is actually invested in the outcome and the other is just chancing it’s arm and doesn’t really care, Russia would always match any US escalation.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

    Instead of doing as Steve has asked of “knocking it off” since, actually the Jews have done pretty well by white gentiles in the US, they live in a bubble where everyone is afraid of telling them they’re aggressive and crazy and so they create a backlash and so their response to keep pushing. Well, people will keep pushing back because they feel it’s worth it. We see it too in Ukraine, the Kagans et all still refuse to “knock it off”. (Indeed the whole pro-war movement in the West has a very pronounced Jewish tinge… ) And now US hegemony is looking very threadbare. Is the US in their eyes just as expendable as Ukraine in service of Israel? I don’t think it is but emotionally they seem to feel that way. They’ve tried to overthrow and destroy Russia suddenly because it intervened to stop the latest edition of ‘invade the world, invite the world’ in Syria.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Altai

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS' 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child's view of geopolitics. Blinken's positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy's determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like "step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries," "don't needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad," or "explore how the conflict could be brought to an end" -- they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley's softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President's key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it's hard to tell such things apart.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Houston 1992, @Bill Jones, @SOL

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ic1000, @Chrisnonymous, @WJ

    , @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just give the Ukraine stuff a rest. If US hegemony is looking very threadbare, then Russian hegemony is in complete tatters. Even their "inseparable friends" the Chinese are edging away. Success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan. And Putin and his war has been a failure no matter how much copium you take.

    As for the Russians maintaining escalatory dominance, well they sure are trying but maybe their best is not good enough. The Russian economy is a fraction of the size of NATO's and they have major technological gaps (Russian fighter pilots fly with Garmin GPS units taped to their windshields). You might have said that Ireland in 1920 was a core British interest (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia) but at some point the game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid of Putin. It's worth it to our leaders (if not to you) because maintaining a position as sole remaining superpower has benefits in their opinion and because we (unlike Russia) are not paying the price in blood (same reason the Russians supported N. Vietnam) . It's win-win for the US - even if Putin "wins" the war he has already lost. Putin resisted mobilization up until now because he knows that drafting the sons of Russia elites has the same potential to shatter Russian society that Vietnam had on America. He may think that he has Russia locked down enough that he can withstand the backlash but dictatorships are brittle - ask Ceaușescu.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @ic1000

    , @Thoughts
    @Altai

    Steve should post this to his blog

    The concept of Jews attacking Russia/China because Russia/China are defending Mid-East Territorial Integrity Needs to be Shouted from the Rooftops

  33. @Thulean Friend
    Secular Jews are playing a dangerous game. They think POC activists will include them in their anti-White coalition but seats are limited and competition is fierce.

    Sooner rather than later they will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel

    But the POC activists also have their internal splits. Right now many are Indian women coming from high-caste families. So far, remarkably few people are willing to ask questions how the offspring of Indias top 1% families can portray themselves as victims compared to, say, poor White working-class men.

    But since Whites are the ultimate villains in this world, the attack will come from elsewhere. How long until they are thrown under the bus for being caste oppressors by "dalit activists"?

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop - or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Bugg, @Pierre de Craon, @I, Libertine

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop – or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    That’s assuming that there is no central controlling authority.

    The money and the media are kept under tight control by the people really in charge as any leftist who steps too far out of line knows.

    Think of it like Mao keeping tight control of the PLA Air Force during the cultural revolution.

  34. Were any ethnic-cleansed Palestinians there?

  35. @SafeNow
    Dr. Freud here. The paradigm of hate is that X’s fear (and thus hate) of people who are different leads X to seek the comforting and safe support of people who are like X. And then X can breathe a sigh of relief, ah!, nice to be here. But in this case, there was no sigh of relief; rather, the hate turned inward, sort of like the self-derogatory hate of depression, but at the group level. The Jews, I guess. Dissension, contentiousness, and conflict inevitably emerge, even at the very last place that should happen.

    Replies: @G. Poulin

    Freud Jr. here. It sounds like they all hate their fathers and want to screw their mothers. Lock ’em all up, I say. Bunch of whack jobs.

  36. They should at least avoid hate speech, or the use of forbidden words. The UK’s Office of Communications (which has a 1984-friendly abbreviation – Ofcom [pronounced Off-Com]) has a list of 186 words which should not be used.

    Comedian Dominic Frisby has a pleasant, NSFW video; he sings the list so you don’t have to read it.

  37. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting

    Why, for the UN, Is One Mosque Massacre So Much Worse than Countless Church Massacres?
    (…) Muslims have eliminated 60,000 Christians between just 2009 and 2021, an August 2021 report states that, during that same time frame, Muslims also destroyed or torched 17,500 churches and 2,000 Christian schools” ( https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18532/mosque-church-massacres).

    But then, of course, jihâd is an obligation (Q 4:95 for instance) to Muslims.

  38. @James Speaks
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let's review:

    "God, country and family," - dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, - dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, - dangerous
    globalism, - dangerous
    the "LGBT lobby," - dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @René Fries, @James Speaks, @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    …ooops, I meant to click on “agree”.

    My home country Luxembourg had +/-350.000 inhabitants when I left it (1959) and now has =/-650.000. No problems because no Muslims [the few thousands of Blacks being of Portuguese/Capverdian cultural (catholic) background]. Belgium where I live, has a population made up of 16,4% of immigrants, the major part of whom are European (54%), whilst 25,8% come from Africa (most from ex-Belgian Congo, i.e. Catholics) and 15,6% from Asia. Muslims make out +/-6%, too little to make that impact they’re making in GB, F and D.

    So in both countries, a “dangerous” politician to be “afraid” of is not in sight (yet).

  39. @James Speaks
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let's review:

    "God, country and family," - dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, - dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, - dangerous
    globalism, - dangerous
    the "LGBT lobby," - dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @René Fries, @James Speaks, @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    Apologies to all. I seem to have forgotten to use the and tags.

  40. Some Effective Altruism group that Tyler Cowen was humping once advertised for a social worker to coordinate crisis response for the apparently frequent emotional breakdowns at their conferences.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
  41. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    Why despair when you can laugh? The
    Twitter responses to her had me dying. My favorite was “whoa black Betty, Ramalingam”

    I can’t stop singing it now

  42. @AKAHorace
    If hate is the problem perhaps we need a Ministry of Love ?

    I am sure there are useful precedents.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuMolYpQKWU

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Supply and Demand

    The opposite of hate isn’t love… that would be indifference.

  43. @Altai
    The Jewish boomers born in New York City in the 40s-60s truly have lost their minds and are incapable of understanding the political and social terrain.

    See Jon Stewart having a total breakdown. (Hilariously he recently presented some award in the US to an Avoz brigade fighter who had his neo-nazi tattoos covered with a flesh-toned basketball sleeve.)

    See Jennifer Rubin revealing her darkest instincts with no consequence.

    Trump won because of nice white gentile life long democrats in the Great Lake states who voted for Obama twice. They did this because Trump had a total monopoly in expressing their rational social and economic grievances about neoliberal economic policies which includes mass immigration. If you want him gone and want the far right to stop profiting from this monopoly you have only to embrace a pro-social and not irrational immigration position yourself. They would have gladly voted for Sanders if he'd been allowed on the ballot and absolutely voted for a version of Sanders which articulated his anti-mass migration stance prior to the Great Awokening last seen only in 2011. They didn't vote for a demagogue, they voted for policies. The response to this was hysterical to say the least and basically amounted to a media coup campaign for 4 years. This destroyed the sense of legitimacy of American democracy for liberal progressives (The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine) and then when Trump lost in 2020 destroyed it for people who voted for Trump. Good job.

    This lesson was learned in Denmark. Astonishingly it is so far the only country in the West where the mainstream left has embrace policies that would put even some of the explicitly anti-immigration parties to shame. And, sadly, it seems only because a unique political situation led to it receiving far less immigration post 2000 than other countries. Basically immigrants were too few and too marginal to impose a veto on ethnic Danes talking about immigration and feeling like they owned Denmark.

    Like the also Jewish neocon push against Russia in a move that is geopolitically aggressive and not defensive we see a delusional lack of introspection about who is pushing whose boundaries. The Russians would never back down because they saw this as what it was intended to be, an aggression and a threat. As both Obama and retired general Macgregor (He doesn't capitalise gregor in his name) have said the same thing, this is a Cod War, where one side is actually invested in the outcome and the other is just chancing it's arm and doesn't really care, Russia would always match any US escalation.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.
     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

    Instead of doing as Steve has asked of "knocking it off" since, actually the Jews have done pretty well by white gentiles in the US, they live in a bubble where everyone is afraid of telling them they're aggressive and crazy and so they create a backlash and so their response to keep pushing. Well, people will keep pushing back because they feel it's worth it. We see it too in Ukraine, the Kagans et all still refuse to "knock it off". (Indeed the whole pro-war movement in the West has a very pronounced Jewish tinge... ) And now US hegemony is looking very threadbare. Is the US in their eyes just as expendable as Ukraine in service of Israel? I don't think it is but emotionally they seem to feel that way. They've tried to overthrow and destroy Russia suddenly because it intervened to stop the latest edition of 'invade the world, invite the world' in Syria.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Thoughts

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS’ 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child’s view of geopolitics. Blinken’s positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy’s determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like “step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries,” “don’t needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad,” or “explore how the conflict could be brought to an end” — they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley’s softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President’s key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it’s hard to tell such things apart.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @ic1000

    Anthony Blinken is easily the dumbest nominally-smart guy to fall up so hard (check out who his dad was). We are suffering through the sons of gangsters who inherited a racket and have no idea what they're doing.
    ---------
    If you haven't seen this, here is some very good non-insane analysis of Putin's motives:
    https://rmx.news/africa/exclusive-interview-the-russians-gained-control-of-several-african-countries-because-france-shot-itself-in-both-feet-says-french-expert-on-africa/

    , @Houston 1992
    @ic1000

    Bkinken's father just died and the NYT Sept 23 2022 obit explains that our current SoS benefitted from "a cultivated upbringing."

    "Mr. Blinken saw his son during school holidays and summers, and he was able to give the future secretary of state a highly cultivated upbringing."

    Powers of persuasion also seem to run-in the family blueprint.

    "Donald Mayer Blinken was born on Nov. 11, 1925, in Yonkers, N.Y. His father, Maurice, was a lawyer who was credited with helping to persuade the U.S. government to support the establishment of Israel as a state. "

    , @Bill Jones
    @ic1000


    Pelley’s softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position.
     
    Is it really possible that these clowns don't realize that if Putin goes his successor will be a hard-line Nationalist?
    , @SOL
    @ic1000

    Ru Intel probably watching these interviews too.

  44. @Reg Cæsar
    Eradicate Hate = Tea-tie charade.


    https://eradicatehatesummit.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/R_Henry_Reese.jpg.png


    Eradicate Hate = Diet cheat area.


    https://i0.wp.com/thisisafrica.me/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/alice-wairimu-nderitu.jpeg


    Vidhya Ramalingam =

    https://youtu.be/0HhA0Cghr4k

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @fish

    Reg,

    Only one response possible:

  45. Looks like a lot of focus on police/military and incels. Obviously toxic masculinity and white supremacy also make appearances. All this while there are very few violent incidents that can be traced to any of these things and the tribe of St. Floyd continues to mow down thousands of its own members year after year and renders large parts of our largest cities total wastelands.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Arclight

    For every white supremacist shooting like Charleston or Buffalo, literally thousands of blacks are killed by other blacks. And anti-white terrorism is completely swept under the rug by the regime and the ministry of propaganda (uh... I mean our Free and Independent Press)

    One upside is that anti-white whites often get hoisted by their own petards. The black Fresno terrorist who targeted whites ended up killing a guy whose Facebook profile photo was of Richard Spencer getting sucker punched with a text overlay saying "punch nazis"

    Replies: @Rob McX

  46. @silviosilver
    @International Jew

    OT - Some months ago I posted a comment regarding the renaming of the Washington Redskins to the Commanders, expressing the wish that it would morph into 'the Commies' in fan parlance. I think I recall this comment receiving a "LOL" from you (cbf checking), so you may be interested to learn that I heard it being used in just such a way in a youtube sports show called "This Week In Sportsball", albeit to wry comedic effect in the course of commenting on a Week 2 matchup with the Lions: "harkening back to the days of organized labor, the Lions proceeded to seize the means of production from the Commies." But hey, it's a start. ("Sportsball" itself is a term widely used in alt/diss right circles, so who knows, the dude running the channel could be a Sailer reader.)

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SFG

    Do the extremely woke use the term “sportsball” as well?

  47. It’s also interesting to note that in recent years there was a similar coalition of groups out for themselves which endure some inevitable infighting.

    In the European parliament a key source of additional support and assets is forming a ‘grouping’. The far right parties which were almost all ethnic nationalist parties got into some scrapes between them.

    One of the Lega Nord MEPs made negative comments about Romanian immigrants to Italy and the Romanian members didn’t like this and it caused a big fracture.

    But in general the migrant crisis a coherent common enemy and agenda focus on immigration has allowed a new grouping to succeed and become more focused.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_and_Democracy

    A coalition of people out for themselves need a common enemy.

    What continues to perplex me is why we expect wealthy Jewish nationalists to get along with poor black nationalists anymore than a right wing Italian nationalist and a right wing Romanian nationalist. At least the latter two don’t have a huge amount of conflicting interests (Outside Romanian immigration to Italy) the former two have all kinds of social and economic conflicts.

    • Replies: @Matthew Kelly
    @Altai


    But in general the migrant crisis a coherent common enemy and agenda focus on immigration has allowed a new grouping to succeed and become more focused.
     
    I've long hoped "diversity" would serve as the crucible in which our heretofore fissiparous (to borrow Derbyshire's apt description) right-wing groups would be forged into a singular, coherent fighting force. Maybe that day approaches and is not just a dream?

    What continues to perplex me is why we expect wealthy Jewish nationalists to get along with poor black nationalists anymore than a right wing Italian nationalist and a right wing Romanian nationalist.
     
    I [currently] subscribe to the theory that some critical mass of "Jewish nationalists" believe the Jewish nation can only be secure so long as there is no possibility of a resurgent "white nationalism"--hence basketball Americans are basically conscripts on the sly until that threat has been eliminated. But wtf do I know.
  48. @silviosilver
    @International Jew

    OT - Some months ago I posted a comment regarding the renaming of the Washington Redskins to the Commanders, expressing the wish that it would morph into 'the Commies' in fan parlance. I think I recall this comment receiving a "LOL" from you (cbf checking), so you may be interested to learn that I heard it being used in just such a way in a youtube sports show called "This Week In Sportsball", albeit to wry comedic effect in the course of commenting on a Week 2 matchup with the Lions: "harkening back to the days of organized labor, the Lions proceeded to seize the means of production from the Commies." But hey, it's a start. ("Sportsball" itself is a term widely used in alt/diss right circles, so who knows, the dude running the channel could be a Sailer reader.)

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SFG

    I’ve seen ‘sportsball’ among leftist women and on Slate Star Codex, so I think it may be a geek/jock thing, rather than purely political. The geek/jock divide can be seen in Aristotle, where he says that natural slaves are stronger than natural free men. The episode where his olives were stolen by stronger youths before the Olympic Games is lost to history.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @SFG

    I think "Sportsball" means to communicate that all these big-money leagues have blurred into a single giant blob and that people really have better things to do than sit and watch high-paid prima donnas, plus shelling out hard-earned dough for tickets, pay-TV and licensed merch. Even sports fans themselves can begin to feel this way.

    Long before Sportsball you'd occasionally see "Sprots" used in a similarly dismissive tone. This stems from an elaborate satire of the NY Times (by the Harvard Lampoon I think) in which the sports section masthead is misspelled -- to indicate the NYT's total ignorance of the subject matter.

  49. 13 Keynote speakers. If everyone is special, no one is happy.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Ralph L

    They should have given out more participation awards.

  50. >her name is literally ram a lingam
    HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  51. @Altai
    The Jewish boomers born in New York City in the 40s-60s truly have lost their minds and are incapable of understanding the political and social terrain.

    See Jon Stewart having a total breakdown. (Hilariously he recently presented some award in the US to an Avoz brigade fighter who had his neo-nazi tattoos covered with a flesh-toned basketball sleeve.)

    See Jennifer Rubin revealing her darkest instincts with no consequence.

    Trump won because of nice white gentile life long democrats in the Great Lake states who voted for Obama twice. They did this because Trump had a total monopoly in expressing their rational social and economic grievances about neoliberal economic policies which includes mass immigration. If you want him gone and want the far right to stop profiting from this monopoly you have only to embrace a pro-social and not irrational immigration position yourself. They would have gladly voted for Sanders if he'd been allowed on the ballot and absolutely voted for a version of Sanders which articulated his anti-mass migration stance prior to the Great Awokening last seen only in 2011. They didn't vote for a demagogue, they voted for policies. The response to this was hysterical to say the least and basically amounted to a media coup campaign for 4 years. This destroyed the sense of legitimacy of American democracy for liberal progressives (The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine) and then when Trump lost in 2020 destroyed it for people who voted for Trump. Good job.

    This lesson was learned in Denmark. Astonishingly it is so far the only country in the West where the mainstream left has embrace policies that would put even some of the explicitly anti-immigration parties to shame. And, sadly, it seems only because a unique political situation led to it receiving far less immigration post 2000 than other countries. Basically immigrants were too few and too marginal to impose a veto on ethnic Danes talking about immigration and feeling like they owned Denmark.

    Like the also Jewish neocon push against Russia in a move that is geopolitically aggressive and not defensive we see a delusional lack of introspection about who is pushing whose boundaries. The Russians would never back down because they saw this as what it was intended to be, an aggression and a threat. As both Obama and retired general Macgregor (He doesn't capitalise gregor in his name) have said the same thing, this is a Cod War, where one side is actually invested in the outcome and the other is just chancing it's arm and doesn't really care, Russia would always match any US escalation.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.
     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

    Instead of doing as Steve has asked of "knocking it off" since, actually the Jews have done pretty well by white gentiles in the US, they live in a bubble where everyone is afraid of telling them they're aggressive and crazy and so they create a backlash and so their response to keep pushing. Well, people will keep pushing back because they feel it's worth it. We see it too in Ukraine, the Kagans et all still refuse to "knock it off". (Indeed the whole pro-war movement in the West has a very pronounced Jewish tinge... ) And now US hegemony is looking very threadbare. Is the US in their eyes just as expendable as Ukraine in service of Israel? I don't think it is but emotionally they seem to feel that way. They've tried to overthrow and destroy Russia suddenly because it intervened to stop the latest edition of 'invade the world, invite the world' in Syria.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Thoughts

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nice try, that's not even close to what that term describes.

    , @ic1000
    @Peter Akuleyev

    > „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals“).

    Out of ignorance, I won't "Agree," but Trump having many unsavory connections with unsavory oligarchs sounds like a reasonable take.

    > It was mostly Alongside Progressives, academics, and Democratic career politicos, old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive

    Fixed it.

    It was the Clinton campaign that spearheaded and bankrolled the "Trump is Putin's cats-paw" narrative. While Durham's investigation won't result in convictions of any of the guilty principals, the discovery phase has made that clear (to those who care to look).

    > which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“

    Eh. Don't care what MAGA thinks; they should read Ann Coulter more and worship Trump less. Re: the FBI, its efforts to discredit itself as a neutral institution that tries to insulate itself from electoral politics have succeeded with me.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Where's the • Fool button when you need one?

    , @WJ
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Russiagate was the Democrat version of the Birther scandal. A ridiculous hoax that was not at all believable but it sold well to the mouth breathing portion of the Democratic party. Schiff, Shumer, Pelosi .... etc. were like " can you believe that they believe this stuff"? I am sure they were pleasantly surprised that the non elite dems, bought into it. And then there was the pee pee tape which took it to a whole new level of tawdry silliness. Our media is composed of 13 year old girls apparently. When I went to school, the dregs went to J school so I suppose that makes sense.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  52. @ic1000
    @Altai

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS' 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child's view of geopolitics. Blinken's positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy's determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like "step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries," "don't needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad," or "explore how the conflict could be brought to an end" -- they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley's softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President's key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it's hard to tell such things apart.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Houston 1992, @Bill Jones, @SOL

    Anthony Blinken is easily the dumbest nominally-smart guy to fall up so hard (check out who his dad was). We are suffering through the sons of gangsters who inherited a racket and have no idea what they’re doing.
    ———
    If you haven’t seen this, here is some very good non-insane analysis of Putin’s motives:
    https://rmx.news/africa/exclusive-interview-the-russians-gained-control-of-several-african-countries-because-france-shot-itself-in-both-feet-says-french-expert-on-africa/

  53. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ic1000, @Chrisnonymous, @WJ

    Nice try, that’s not even close to what that term describes.

  54. @James Speaks
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let's review:

    "God, country and family," - dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, - dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, - dangerous
    globalism, - dangerous
    the "LGBT lobby," - dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @René Fries, @James Speaks, @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    What do you call a female hitler anyway? Hitlerette?

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Polistra


    What do you call a female hitler anyway?
     
    The wokish response is "Sarah" as in Palin, but in reality,
    Miss Compasionate of Martha’s Vineyard would be quite the dictator. A.K.A.
    The Victorious Vulva
    The Crocus most Cruel
    Benevolent Bitchmaster
    Pocohontas
  55. @Rob McX
    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574251105940377607

    Great speech.


    Why is the family an enemy? Why is the family so frightening...?

    Because it defines us. Because it's our identity.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @SunBakedSuburb

    To follow up on my last post: Can we have her for World Dictator? Because not only does she talk sense, she does it in Italian [swoons]

  56. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Funny how much the Jews hate Orange Hitler, despite the fact that no president ever has been a more subservient bootlicker to Israel…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dr. X

    Means nothing. Nixon famously saved Israel from destruction in 1973. How do Jews feel about him?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  57. @PiltdownMan
    From her public LinkedIn profile:

    Vidhya Ramalingam

     

    University of Oxford
    M.Phil., Migration Studies

    Cornell University
    B.A., Anthropology, Inequality Studies

    So,basically, you can get degrees from the great universities of the English-speaking world nowadays simply by signing up for indoctrination classes.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Is that real? SMDH…

    Is there an Anti-Whiteness Studies program yet?

    The first result from DDG is Scientific American:

    The Truth about Anti-White Discrimination
    Many white Americans feel that discrimination against whites is on the rise. Experiments suggests otherwise

    Not a single study has found a reliable anti-white bias.

    Well yeah, because if your study did show such bias, it would never see print, and you’d lose your job anyway.

  58. It is a pity that John Lennon was not available to be keynote speaker at this conference. I think he probably would have said something like:

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion, too
    Imagine all the people
    Livin’ life in peace

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one.

    I suppose these kind of wishing-well conferences must make some money for somebody.

    Hate certainly gets a bad rap, and it ought to have war declared upon it. Also drugs, alcohol, sex, hunger, poverty, cancer, landmines, carbon dioxide, plastic waste, illiteracy, and monkeypox deserve war conferences in a nice corporate convention center with underground parking and a breakfast buffet.

    Meanwhile they have our thoughts and prayers.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Jonathan Mason

    Ironically this is a Christian vision (the City of God), but without Christ of course.

  59. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    Even an outbreak of Legionnaires’ Disease would be helpful.

  60. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Methinks it would be a good time to bait a trap for these bozos. Organize a "Stop the Rape" Global Conference, with an all-White panel and participants, which focuses on Black-on-White rape, by far the most prevalent kind of rape in this country, and which addresses all the different varieties: BM-WF (genocidal levels), BM-WM (prison) and BM-WM (gay community).

    The photo optics would be, well, interesting: Antifa and BLM attacking an "anti-rape" conference, leftard pundits having their heads explode because they can't denounce "anti-rape" and also can't denounce imaginary white supremacy in this context. What can they complain about? "You're racist! You didn't include black women rape victims who were raped by.... um, er, black men? (there are virtually no instances of black women being raped by white or Asian men, so that leaves, um, uh, er, um.... RACIST! ANTI-SEMITE! SUPREMACIST!)

    It would be like in those sci-fi movies where the super-computer explodes when it is asked a paradoxical self-contradicting question.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Wouldn’t progressives just call that cherry-picking? They are immune to statistical evidence. Their reaction-formation or crime stop is highly developed. They still don’t believe that the overwhelming majority of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks.

    • Agree: Polistra
  61. Pardon me, but is not the sad Tweeter Lady of Indian extraction?

  62. @Anonymous
    Sounds fun!

    Idk why folks need to know all the juicy details. Just accept the fact that bad behaviour had happened, and offer solidarity to the victim(s) affected. There's no need to turn this into a gossip fodder or getting huffy about not being invited. Don't make this about you. https://t.co/NLyE7DWdvD— M (@MuniraMustaffa) September 26, 2022
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

    “Shut up!”, she explained.

  63. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ic1000, @Chrisnonymous, @WJ

    > „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals“).

    Out of ignorance, I won’t “Agree,” but Trump having many unsavory connections with unsavory oligarchs sounds like a reasonable take.

    > It was mostly Alongside Progressives, academics, and Democratic career politicos, old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive

    Fixed it.

    It was the Clinton campaign that spearheaded and bankrolled the “Trump is Putin’s cats-paw” narrative. While Durham’s investigation won’t result in convictions of any of the guilty principals, the discovery phase has made that clear (to those who care to look).

    > which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“

    Eh. Don’t care what MAGA thinks; they should read Ann Coulter more and worship Trump less. Re: the FBI, its efforts to discredit itself as a neutral institution that tries to insulate itself from electoral politics have succeeded with me.

  64. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Vidhya Ramalingam
     
    Wow. Her name is literally “dick-ramming video”.

    Replies: @Prester John

    “Ramalingam”?

    Couldn’t resist this.

  65. @ic1000
    @Altai

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS' 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child's view of geopolitics. Blinken's positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy's determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like "step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries," "don't needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad," or "explore how the conflict could be brought to an end" -- they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley's softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President's key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it's hard to tell such things apart.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Houston 1992, @Bill Jones, @SOL

    Bkinken’s father just died and the NYT Sept 23 2022 obit explains that our current SoS benefitted from “a cultivated upbringing.”

    “Mr. Blinken saw his son during school holidays and summers, and he was able to give the future secretary of state a highly cultivated upbringing.”

    Powers of persuasion also seem to run-in the family blueprint.

    “Donald Mayer Blinken was born on Nov. 11, 1925, in Yonkers, N.Y. His father, Maurice, was a lawyer who was credited with helping to persuade the U.S. government to support the establishment of Israel as a state. ”

  66. I grudgingly give them credit for somehow choosing Pittsburgh instead of the usual glamour resort destinations — or perhaps some notorious Epicenter of Hate like Tulsa.

  67. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    Yancey Ward says:
    September 26, 2022 at 3:55 am GMT • 10.5 hours ago ↑
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies:

    I respond:

    Or someone who didn’t like a Salman Rushdie novel or massive USA military support of Israel.

    Bobby Kennedy was all poised to be that Liberal Camelot hollywood blond night in shining armor in 1968. He had dumped the anti Castro Communism, the Truman, Harvard Best and the Brightest CIA containment of Communism and was off with the Viet Nam war – all down with the New Left. But somehow he didn’t figure out that being for all things POC and anti traditional WASP American history didn’t jibe with all out military support for Israel. One Arab/Palestinian immigration Sirhan Sirhan took exception.

    I’m sure all the J lesbian BLM, Woke speakers at this “Eradicate Hate” Conference in Pittsburg would give lip service to bashing Israel – assure everyone with say OAC, BLM End Apartheid in Israel/Palestine (Is Jimmy Carter still around?). But it would just be lip service and everyone knows that.

    This scene sounds a lot like a J version of the witches scenes in Macbeth.

  68. @Arclight
    Looks like a lot of focus on police/military and incels. Obviously toxic masculinity and white supremacy also make appearances. All this while there are very few violent incidents that can be traced to any of these things and the tribe of St. Floyd continues to mow down thousands of its own members year after year and renders large parts of our largest cities total wastelands.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    For every white supremacist shooting like Charleston or Buffalo, literally thousands of blacks are killed by other blacks. And anti-white terrorism is completely swept under the rug by the regime and the ministry of propaganda (uh… I mean our Free and Independent Press)

    One upside is that anti-white whites often get hoisted by their own petards. The black Fresno terrorist who targeted whites ended up killing a guy whose Facebook profile photo was of Richard Spencer getting sucker punched with a text overlay saying “punch nazis”

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AndrewR

    I have to laugh when I see media reporting of the "protests in solidarity" with black victims of white supremacy. Half of these rioting and looting blacks would happily have killed George Floyd themselves if he'd dissed them on Facebook or cut them short weight on a $50 weed deal.

  69. @SFG
    @silviosilver

    I’ve seen ‘sportsball’ among leftist women and on Slate Star Codex, so I think it may be a geek/jock thing, rather than purely political. The geek/jock divide can be seen in Aristotle, where he says that natural slaves are stronger than natural free men. The episode where his olives were stolen by stronger youths before the Olympic Games is lost to history.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    I think “Sportsball” means to communicate that all these big-money leagues have blurred into a single giant blob and that people really have better things to do than sit and watch high-paid prima donnas, plus shelling out hard-earned dough for tickets, pay-TV and licensed merch. Even sports fans themselves can begin to feel this way.

    Long before Sportsball you’d occasionally see “Sprots” used in a similarly dismissive tone. This stems from an elaborate satire of the NY Times (by the Harvard Lampoon I think) in which the sports section masthead is misspelled — to indicate the NYT’s total ignorance of the subject matter.

  70. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    God helps those who help themselves.

  71. @International Jew
    The conference's logo gives me the creeps. It looks like something evil space aliens would rig up to harvest human blood or something.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Matthew Kelly

    I wouldn’t be so quick to discard that theory…

  72. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ic1000, @Chrisnonymous, @WJ

    Where’s the • Fool button when you need one?

  73. KKKrazy glue white hatred notwithstanding, how long can the ludicrous hindu posturing survive the weather eye of the negro lunatics?

  74. @Altai
    It's also interesting to note that in recent years there was a similar coalition of groups out for themselves which endure some inevitable infighting.

    In the European parliament a key source of additional support and assets is forming a 'grouping'. The far right parties which were almost all ethnic nationalist parties got into some scrapes between them.

    One of the Lega Nord MEPs made negative comments about Romanian immigrants to Italy and the Romanian members didn't like this and it caused a big fracture.

    But in general the migrant crisis a coherent common enemy and agenda focus on immigration has allowed a new grouping to succeed and become more focused.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_and_Democracy

    A coalition of people out for themselves need a common enemy.

    What continues to perplex me is why we expect wealthy Jewish nationalists to get along with poor black nationalists anymore than a right wing Italian nationalist and a right wing Romanian nationalist. At least the latter two don't have a huge amount of conflicting interests (Outside Romanian immigration to Italy) the former two have all kinds of social and economic conflicts.

    Replies: @Matthew Kelly

    But in general the migrant crisis a coherent common enemy and agenda focus on immigration has allowed a new grouping to succeed and become more focused.

    I’ve long hoped “diversity” would serve as the crucible in which our heretofore fissiparous (to borrow Derbyshire’s apt description) right-wing groups would be forged into a singular, coherent fighting force. Maybe that day approaches and is not just a dream?

    What continues to perplex me is why we expect wealthy Jewish nationalists to get along with poor black nationalists anymore than a right wing Italian nationalist and a right wing Romanian nationalist.

    I [currently] subscribe to the theory that some critical mass of “Jewish nationalists” believe the Jewish nation can only be secure so long as there is no possibility of a resurgent “white nationalism”–hence basketball Americans are basically conscripts on the sly until that threat has been eliminated. But wtf do I know.

  75. “It was the Clinton campaign that spearheaded and bankrolled the “Trump is Putin’s cats-paw” narrative. While Durham’s investigation won’t result in convictions of any of the guilty principals, the discovery phase has made that clear (to those who care to look).”

    It is a screaming indictment of the MSM that this is not common knowledge in the west generally and the USA in particular.

  76. @Jonathan Mason
    It is a pity that John Lennon was not available to be keynote speaker at this conference. I think he probably would have said something like:

    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion, too
    Imagine all the people
    Livin' life in peace

    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one.

    I suppose these kind of wishing-well conferences must make some money for somebody.

    Hate certainly gets a bad rap, and it ought to have war declared upon it. Also drugs, alcohol, sex, hunger, poverty, cancer, landmines, carbon dioxide, plastic waste, illiteracy, and monkeypox deserve war conferences in a nice corporate convention center with underground parking and a breakfast buffet.

    Meanwhile they have our thoughts and prayers.

    Replies: @SFG

    Ironically this is a Christian vision (the City of God), but without Christ of course.

    • Agree: René Fries
  77. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    Trumps mortal sin was popularism. It’s fine for the Left to advocate hatred of the Right. It’s acceptable for the Right to foster disdain for the Left but encouraging the people to rise against the Established Powers is a no-no.

  78. @ic1000
    @Altai

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS' 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child's view of geopolitics. Blinken's positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy's determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like "step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries," "don't needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad," or "explore how the conflict could be brought to an end" -- they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley's softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President's key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it's hard to tell such things apart.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Houston 1992, @Bill Jones, @SOL

    Pelley’s softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position.

    Is it really possible that these clowns don’t realize that if Putin goes his successor will be a hard-line Nationalist?

  79. Vidhya Ramalingam

    Come on. Are we supposed to pretend like we don’t notice this person’s first name sounds like “video” spoken with a country accent and their last name bears a striking similarity to “Rama Lama Ding Dong”?

  80. The speakers at that conference are a frightening alliance of intelligence agencies and Jewish NGOs. Have the three letter agencies become the enforcement wing of the ADL?

  81. @Anonymous
    Sounds fun!

    Idk why folks need to know all the juicy details. Just accept the fact that bad behaviour had happened, and offer solidarity to the victim(s) affected. There's no need to turn this into a gossip fodder or getting huffy about not being invited. Don't make this about you. https://t.co/NLyE7DWdvD— M (@MuniraMustaffa) September 26, 2022
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Yeah, I noticed (others did too) that the original tweet was very short on details:

    “We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week”

    What this “range of events” was is very vague. I agree with Munira. If a female Person of Color says that “bad behaviour had happened” we should take their word for it in all cases (where the accused are also Persons of Color). We know that women never lie about such things. And who is better equipped to judge whether something (perhaps an inappropriate remark about hair) is bad than Women of Color, who have experienced so many bad things in their life in white supremacist America?

    Following from this, Ms. Ramalingam should not only be allowed to pronounce guilt upon the evil doers but also specify their punishment. Of course, she shouldn’t be allowed to specify torture or mutilation or anything like that, but a swift painless execution would not be out of order for insulting someone’s hairdo.

    • LOL: Liza
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    STOP ASKING WHAT HAPPENED IF YOU DO NOT KNOW. YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO KNOW THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, AND WHY. BE AN ALLY AND SUPPORT VICTIMS + SURVIVORS WITHOUT HAVING THEM RETELL THEIR TRAUMA… AND YES I WANTED THIS TO BE IN ALL CAPS.— Kesa W. (@WhiteKesa) September 25, 2022
     
  82. Was there any documented promotion of sex freedom for children and people with demonic sex preferences? Did the Temple of Set have a booth?

  83. as the only yinzer here, i can confirm, this was just the usual (people) doing the usual thing. it wasn’t some broader coalition looking to address race relations in general. i mean, it almost never is anyway, but particularly not in this case. this event was pure Biden agenda stuff. for them, the biggest threat to Our Democracy is the people who created the country. i laughed out loud when they showed some of the event on television. stop hate by getting US government agencies to crush europeans even more. that will work.

    but i guess they can’t avoid the circular firing squad no matter what. adding people from India to the mix will increase the friendly fire.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @prime noticer


    as the only yinzer here...
     
    Thanks, I've just learned a new word.
  84. The Eradicate Hate biz is a highly competitive one. If you don’t give a career boost to your friends and relatives they won’t give a boost to your career to you.

    Much of what goes on in the world of academe and NGOs is explained in the coda by Danny DeVito:

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    This is not quite true. While NGO folks may be lacking in practical skills in say plumbing repair, they often have wordsmithing skills that could be used in things like public relations, politics or government service that would pay better than NGO work. People who work for NGOs (at least in the lower ranks) make surprisingly little - in the case of interns often nothing. While they obviously need some money to pay their share of the rent on that overpriced shared apartment in Brooklyn (beyond that which dad is providing) they are driven in large part by their desires to Save the World (from evil white men who have destroyed the planet in so many different ways).

    Now maybe at the very top you have Danny DeVito type guys like Morris Dees (until he was cancelled), for every Morris you have 10 True Believers that Morris has conned into working for him, cheap.

    The competition mentioned also comes from the pyramidal nature of the organizations, similar to other criminal organizations like drug dealing gangs. One of the essays in the Freakonomics books was entitled "Why Do Drug Dealers Live with Their Mothers?" The answer to this question was they live with their mamas because they can't afford their own crib because they make less than they would working at McDonalds even though they have to stand outside on a street corner all day at risk of being gunned down. Why does Tyshawn put up with these inferior wages and working conditions? Because he has heard that Mr. Big, the ultimate head of his organization, got his start standing on just such a street corner. Tyshawn knows that someday if he sticks with this business, he too will someday have all the bling that Mr. Big has.

    It's the same deal in NGOs. And if you can defenestrate some of your rivals for "bad behaviour" then you are one step closer to the top.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  85. OT – I was flipping channels the other day and I came across what I think is a perfect example of British PC propaganda circa 2022: The Sister Boniface Mysteries

    The series is set in rural England in the 1960s (a hotbed of murder to be sure). Sister Boniface is a nun but she is also a brilliant scientific forensic detective in the mold of Sherlock Holmes. Unlike Inspector Lestrade, the local police, in the personage of a handsome young white detective (very easy on the eyes for the ladies) welcome her involvement in solving every crime because her crime solving and technical skills are way above theirs. To complete the crime solving trio, a young black detective from Bermuda has been assigned to this remote village by bureaucratic mix up, as often happens.

    Putting aside the ridiculous PC crap, the British seem to take a lighthearted approach to murder. In America, real murders happen all the time and they tend to be sordid – a drug dealer is shot down on a street corner by a rival dealer, someone bumps into someone at a club and they are shot for their offense, etc. Nothing funny about it. In British mysteries, rich (but evil) Uncle Henry is poisoned in comical fashion at a stuffy formal dinner by a roomful of heirs all of whom hate him – the question is which one dun it?

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Jack D

    Who is your favorite Insp. Lestrade? I think that Colin Jeavons has them all beat hands down. Perfect casting.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Sister Boniface
     
    Saint Boniface was born in Devon and went to evangelize Germany, one of many (official or unofficial) patrons of countries other than the one in which they were born. Sts Patrick, Piran, and Peter Claver are other examples. Boniface rose to be Archbishop of Mainz.

    Note that the mission of all these men was to be of service to the countries and peoples to which they were sent. Today's migrants migrate with other intentions.


    Britannica writes of St Francis Xavier,


    He is justly credited for his idea that the missionary must adapt to the customs and language of the people he evangelizes, and for his advocation of an educated native clergy—initiatives not always followed by his successors.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Francis-Xavier
     

    Replies: @René Fries

    , @Barnard
    @Jack D

    Lots of past American TV shows had a rather light approach to murder mysteries. Monk was the most recent one I remember, from what I hear, the Hallmark channel has had a couple of different movie series with a similar approach.

    For the standards of British TV this show is almost realistic. Now it wouldn't be surprising if 50% of the cast was non white, they included interracial marriages and made a well known British historical figure black. The recent remake of All Creatures Great and Small featured an interracial farm couple in the 1930s Yorkshire Dales in the one episode I bothered to watch.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    Eradicate Hate = Tea-tie charade.


    https://eradicatehatesummit.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/R_Henry_Reese.jpg.png


    Eradicate Hate = Diet cheat area.


    https://i0.wp.com/thisisafrica.me/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/alice-wairimu-nderitu.jpeg


    Vidhya Ramalingam =

    https://youtu.be/0HhA0Cghr4k

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @fish

    You never disappoint……!

  87. The good news is that there is now on the horizon a solution for almost all the problems facing us. The country can be free, peaceful and prosperous again – all we have to do is set up free distribution centers for this stuff in every blue city in America.

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/25/flesh-eating-drug-tranq-meant-for-animals-now-linked-to-thousands-of-heroin-fentanyl-ods/

    Of course, in tandem with that, we will also want to implement the brilliant idea of our next President.
    No need to eat bugs when there is a ready, untapped source of high-quality fertilizer available.

    https://dailycaller.com/2022/09/20/gov-gavin-newsom-law-human-composting-burial/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  88. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized “Hate” and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective.

    Are they working on policies to actually reduce hate?

    I can think of a few very specific pro-social, pro-community, pro-national-solidarity policies that would reduce division and “hate” and if they’d been followed the last several decades would definitely have reduced our outright eliminated a whole bunch of terrorist attacks.

  89. @Art Deco
    The Eradicate Hate biz is a highly competitive one. If you don’t give a career boost to your friends and relatives they won’t give a boost to your career to you.

    Much of what goes on in the world of academe and NGOs is explained in the coda by Danny DeVito:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJTRqV7B8E

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is not quite true. While NGO folks may be lacking in practical skills in say plumbing repair, they often have wordsmithing skills that could be used in things like public relations, politics or government service that would pay better than NGO work. People who work for NGOs (at least in the lower ranks) make surprisingly little – in the case of interns often nothing. While they obviously need some money to pay their share of the rent on that overpriced shared apartment in Brooklyn (beyond that which dad is providing) they are driven in large part by their desires to Save the World (from evil white men who have destroyed the planet in so many different ways).

    Now maybe at the very top you have Danny DeVito type guys like Morris Dees (until he was cancelled), for every Morris you have 10 True Believers that Morris has conned into working for him, cheap.

    The competition mentioned also comes from the pyramidal nature of the organizations, similar to other criminal organizations like drug dealing gangs. One of the essays in the Freakonomics books was entitled “Why Do Drug Dealers Live with Their Mothers?” The answer to this question was they live with their mamas because they can’t afford their own crib because they make less than they would working at McDonalds even though they have to stand outside on a street corner all day at risk of being gunned down. Why does Tyshawn put up with these inferior wages and working conditions? Because he has heard that Mr. Big, the ultimate head of his organization, got his start standing on just such a street corner. Tyshawn knows that someday if he sticks with this business, he too will someday have all the bling that Mr. Big has.

    It’s the same deal in NGOs. And if you can defenestrate some of your rivals for “bad behaviour” then you are one step closer to the top.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    You're not understanding me. Unproductive activity which acts as an amusement for institutional employees (especially college teachers) is driven by principal-agent issues.

  90. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    There is some yap yap going around that there is going to be a mega crash of some sort on November 2nd. This year.

    Nomi Prins’ Great Distortion is a prediction that the United States could soon see a massive $150 trillion transfer of wealth as the real-world economy and the market economy become completely disconnected.

    I don’t trust anybody when they put specific dates on events, tho.

  91. @Jack D
    OT - I was flipping channels the other day and I came across what I think is a perfect example of British PC propaganda circa 2022: The Sister Boniface Mysteries

    The series is set in rural England in the 1960s (a hotbed of murder to be sure). Sister Boniface is a nun but she is also a brilliant scientific forensic detective in the mold of Sherlock Holmes. Unlike Inspector Lestrade, the local police, in the personage of a handsome young white detective (very easy on the eyes for the ladies) welcome her involvement in solving every crime because her crime solving and technical skills are way above theirs. To complete the crime solving trio, a young black detective from Bermuda has been assigned to this remote village by bureaucratic mix up, as often happens.

    https://tellyvisions.org/sites/default/files/styles/alignnone/public/Sister-Boniface-Mysteries.jpeg

    Putting aside the ridiculous PC crap, the British seem to take a lighthearted approach to murder. In America, real murders happen all the time and they tend to be sordid - a drug dealer is shot down on a street corner by a rival dealer, someone bumps into someone at a club and they are shot for their offense, etc. Nothing funny about it. In British mysteries, rich (but evil) Uncle Henry is poisoned in comical fashion at a stuffy formal dinner by a roomful of heirs all of whom hate him - the question is which one dun it?

    Replies: @Liza, @Reg Cæsar, @Barnard

    Who is your favorite Insp. Lestrade? I think that Colin Jeavons has them all beat hands down. Perfect casting.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Liza

    Spot on! Also the very best Uriah Heep (David Copperfield, 1966)

  92. @Altai
    The Jewish boomers born in New York City in the 40s-60s truly have lost their minds and are incapable of understanding the political and social terrain.

    See Jon Stewart having a total breakdown. (Hilariously he recently presented some award in the US to an Avoz brigade fighter who had his neo-nazi tattoos covered with a flesh-toned basketball sleeve.)

    See Jennifer Rubin revealing her darkest instincts with no consequence.

    Trump won because of nice white gentile life long democrats in the Great Lake states who voted for Obama twice. They did this because Trump had a total monopoly in expressing their rational social and economic grievances about neoliberal economic policies which includes mass immigration. If you want him gone and want the far right to stop profiting from this monopoly you have only to embrace a pro-social and not irrational immigration position yourself. They would have gladly voted for Sanders if he'd been allowed on the ballot and absolutely voted for a version of Sanders which articulated his anti-mass migration stance prior to the Great Awokening last seen only in 2011. They didn't vote for a demagogue, they voted for policies. The response to this was hysterical to say the least and basically amounted to a media coup campaign for 4 years. This destroyed the sense of legitimacy of American democracy for liberal progressives (The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine) and then when Trump lost in 2020 destroyed it for people who voted for Trump. Good job.

    This lesson was learned in Denmark. Astonishingly it is so far the only country in the West where the mainstream left has embrace policies that would put even some of the explicitly anti-immigration parties to shame. And, sadly, it seems only because a unique political situation led to it receiving far less immigration post 2000 than other countries. Basically immigrants were too few and too marginal to impose a veto on ethnic Danes talking about immigration and feeling like they owned Denmark.

    Like the also Jewish neocon push against Russia in a move that is geopolitically aggressive and not defensive we see a delusional lack of introspection about who is pushing whose boundaries. The Russians would never back down because they saw this as what it was intended to be, an aggression and a threat. As both Obama and retired general Macgregor (He doesn't capitalise gregor in his name) have said the same thing, this is a Cod War, where one side is actually invested in the outcome and the other is just chancing it's arm and doesn't really care, Russia would always match any US escalation.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.
     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

    Instead of doing as Steve has asked of "knocking it off" since, actually the Jews have done pretty well by white gentiles in the US, they live in a bubble where everyone is afraid of telling them they're aggressive and crazy and so they create a backlash and so their response to keep pushing. Well, people will keep pushing back because they feel it's worth it. We see it too in Ukraine, the Kagans et all still refuse to "knock it off". (Indeed the whole pro-war movement in the West has a very pronounced Jewish tinge... ) And now US hegemony is looking very threadbare. Is the US in their eyes just as expendable as Ukraine in service of Israel? I don't think it is but emotionally they seem to feel that way. They've tried to overthrow and destroy Russia suddenly because it intervened to stop the latest edition of 'invade the world, invite the world' in Syria.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Thoughts

    Just give the Ukraine stuff a rest. If US hegemony is looking very threadbare, then Russian hegemony is in complete tatters. Even their “inseparable friends” the Chinese are edging away. Success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan. And Putin and his war has been a failure no matter how much copium you take.

    As for the Russians maintaining escalatory dominance, well they sure are trying but maybe their best is not good enough. The Russian economy is a fraction of the size of NATO’s and they have major technological gaps (Russian fighter pilots fly with Garmin GPS units taped to their windshields). You might have said that Ireland in 1920 was a core British interest (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia) but at some point the game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid of Putin. It’s worth it to our leaders (if not to you) because maintaining a position as sole remaining superpower has benefits in their opinion and because we (unlike Russia) are not paying the price in blood (same reason the Russians supported N. Vietnam) . It’s win-win for the US – even if Putin “wins” the war he has already lost. Putin resisted mobilization up until now because he knows that drafting the sons of Russia elites has the same potential to shatter Russian society that Vietnam had on America. He may think that he has Russia locked down enough that he can withstand the backlash but dictatorships are brittle – ask Ceaușescu.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia)

    England at the beginning of the 16th century ruled a segment of Ireland which today consists of fragments of the Counties Dublin, Louth, Meath, and Kildare. The rest of Ireland was ruled by local seigneurs. Ireland wasn't subdued until the end of Elizabeth's reign around 1603. (Other than a brief run of years in the 11th century, the only time Ireland was ever united was when the English were in charge of it). English rule was structured as a union of crowns until 1801, with Ireland having its own parliament and laws. Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    , @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > ...game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid...

    Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy is fine for playing in the Unz.com sandbox.

    Not so great when it's the work product of Foggy Bottom, the Pentagon, the Uniparty, and the NYT/WaPo newsroom.

    Lives being at stake etc. etc. Including my family's.

    Replies: @Jack D

  93. Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.

    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why is "Brian Hughes" tweeting about misogyny?

    Is this virtue signaling? Is he a fake woman?

    I guess if you go to some Woke Hatefest, you'd better keep quiet. If you are male and especially if you are White.

    Such groveling is sickening. Someone should make him wear a big dunce cap and hang a giant placard from his neck, reading "I am a self hating dick..."

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    More evidence that the current crop of academics and intellectuals are silly people.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Let’s just say the kind of things that will hopefully lead to a fierce new code of conduct for conferences & organizations to adopt & to which ppl commit so that professional meetings are safe, inclusive, & accessible & free of harassment, objectification & sexualization.
     


    We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week which left many people feeling excluded or deeply uncomfortable at best, or harassment and abuse at worst.
     
    They aren't talking, but I get the impression some guy must have called some gal "cute" or something. Or implied that women have babies or something?

    I will say it's interesting that these "progressive" anti-hate males, really don't seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.

    Maybe they should just throw in the towel and have separate conferences for "she/her" people and "he/him" people and "they/them" people.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    My best guess is that a guy hit on a woman who considers herself way out of his league. No better way for a man to piss off a woman than asking her out when she thinks she's far superior to you.

    Also, dude was white ("frat boy").

    , @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  94. From the Conference YouTube feed …

    “Thank you to my Jones Day family …”

  95. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    This is not quite true. While NGO folks may be lacking in practical skills in say plumbing repair, they often have wordsmithing skills that could be used in things like public relations, politics or government service that would pay better than NGO work. People who work for NGOs (at least in the lower ranks) make surprisingly little - in the case of interns often nothing. While they obviously need some money to pay their share of the rent on that overpriced shared apartment in Brooklyn (beyond that which dad is providing) they are driven in large part by their desires to Save the World (from evil white men who have destroyed the planet in so many different ways).

    Now maybe at the very top you have Danny DeVito type guys like Morris Dees (until he was cancelled), for every Morris you have 10 True Believers that Morris has conned into working for him, cheap.

    The competition mentioned also comes from the pyramidal nature of the organizations, similar to other criminal organizations like drug dealing gangs. One of the essays in the Freakonomics books was entitled "Why Do Drug Dealers Live with Their Mothers?" The answer to this question was they live with their mamas because they can't afford their own crib because they make less than they would working at McDonalds even though they have to stand outside on a street corner all day at risk of being gunned down. Why does Tyshawn put up with these inferior wages and working conditions? Because he has heard that Mr. Big, the ultimate head of his organization, got his start standing on just such a street corner. Tyshawn knows that someday if he sticks with this business, he too will someday have all the bling that Mr. Big has.

    It's the same deal in NGOs. And if you can defenestrate some of your rivals for "bad behaviour" then you are one step closer to the top.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You’re not understanding me. Unproductive activity which acts as an amusement for institutional employees (especially college teachers) is driven by principal-agent issues.

  96. Anonymous[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I noticed (others did too) that the original tweet was very short on details:

    "We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week"

    What this "range of events" was is very vague. I agree with Munira. If a female Person of Color says that "bad behaviour had happened" we should take their word for it in all cases (where the accused are also Persons of Color). We know that women never lie about such things. And who is better equipped to judge whether something (perhaps an inappropriate remark about hair) is bad than Women of Color, who have experienced so many bad things in their life in white supremacist America?

    Following from this, Ms. Ramalingam should not only be allowed to pronounce guilt upon the evil doers but also specify their punishment. Of course, she shouldn't be allowed to specify torture or mutilation or anything like that, but a swift painless execution would not be out of order for insulting someone's hairdo.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    STOP ASKING WHAT HAPPENED IF YOU DO NOT KNOW. YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO KNOW THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, AND WHY. BE AN ALLY AND SUPPORT VICTIMS + SURVIVORS WITHOUT HAVING THEM RETELL THEIR TRAUMA… AND YES I WANTED THIS TO BE IN ALL CAPS.— Kesa W. (@WhiteKesa) September 25, 2022

  97. @Thulean Friend
    Secular Jews are playing a dangerous game. They think POC activists will include them in their anti-White coalition but seats are limited and competition is fierce.

    Sooner rather than later they will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel

    But the POC activists also have their internal splits. Right now many are Indian women coming from high-caste families. So far, remarkably few people are willing to ask questions how the offspring of Indias top 1% families can portray themselves as victims compared to, say, poor White working-class men.

    But since Whites are the ultimate villains in this world, the attack will come from elsewhere. How long until they are thrown under the bus for being caste oppressors by "dalit activists"?

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop - or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Bugg, @Pierre de Craon, @I, Libertine

    Peter Rodino/Charles J. Hynes Effect; at some point the blacks you suppose you represent count the noses. And figure out no matter how much the white guy may have delivered and accomodated them for decades, he is not one of them. Let’s get one of our own in that office instead.

    Not sure they powers that be understand that. They assume, as humans tend to do in so many things, yesterday guarantees tommorrow will be exactly the same. Not at all crazy from their perspective to wonder why the likes of ancient fossils like Biden, Pelosi and Hoyer have the top jobs when they’re very dependent on black votes and working and middle class whites are not part of COTF.

  98. TOW missiles being used in Ukraine.

    First produced in 1970 and used in Vietnam.

  99. @James Speaks
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Let's review:

    "God, country and family," - dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, - dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, - dangerous
    globalism, - dangerous
    the "LGBT lobby," - dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

    Replies: @René Fries, @James Speaks, @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar

    “God, country and family,” – dangerous
    fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, – dangerous
    opposes mass immigration, – dangerous
    globalism, – dangerous
    the “LGBT lobby,” – dangerous
    and is pro-life.- dangerous

    Well, if these aren’t the signs of a domestic terrorist, what is?

  100. I don't know happened, but from what I've seen from so many people, it must be bad :(— Andy Vitek, PhD (@Vitek2288) September 25, 2022

    Dr. V has the right attitude !!!

  101. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just give the Ukraine stuff a rest. If US hegemony is looking very threadbare, then Russian hegemony is in complete tatters. Even their "inseparable friends" the Chinese are edging away. Success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan. And Putin and his war has been a failure no matter how much copium you take.

    As for the Russians maintaining escalatory dominance, well they sure are trying but maybe their best is not good enough. The Russian economy is a fraction of the size of NATO's and they have major technological gaps (Russian fighter pilots fly with Garmin GPS units taped to their windshields). You might have said that Ireland in 1920 was a core British interest (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia) but at some point the game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid of Putin. It's worth it to our leaders (if not to you) because maintaining a position as sole remaining superpower has benefits in their opinion and because we (unlike Russia) are not paying the price in blood (same reason the Russians supported N. Vietnam) . It's win-win for the US - even if Putin "wins" the war he has already lost. Putin resisted mobilization up until now because he knows that drafting the sons of Russia elites has the same potential to shatter Russian society that Vietnam had on America. He may think that he has Russia locked down enough that he can withstand the backlash but dictatorships are brittle - ask Ceaușescu.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @ic1000

    (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia)

    England at the beginning of the 16th century ruled a segment of Ireland which today consists of fragments of the Counties Dublin, Louth, Meath, and Kildare. The rest of Ireland was ruled by local seigneurs. Ireland wasn’t subdued until the end of Elizabeth’s reign around 1603. (Other than a brief run of years in the 11th century, the only time Ireland was ever united was when the English were in charge of it). English rule was structured as a union of crowns until 1801, with Ireland having its own parliament and laws. Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.
     
    There was a time when Ukraine held Russia:


    https://smarthistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Map-Byzantium-and-Kyivan-Rus.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Putting aside what constitutes a little or a lot (even by your selective account the English were there longer - the English fully subdued Ireland almost 200 years before the Russians gained full dominion over Ukraine) you are leaving out the main part which is that the Anglo-Norman conquest of Ireland began in 1169. As Reg points out, in 1169 it would have been more proper to say that Kiev ruled Moscow rather than vice versa.

    It might have stayed that way except for the Mongol invasion. The Mongols really reshuffled the deck of Russian history and the next time the cards were dealt (200 years later), Muscovy's card came out on top.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  102. @Jack D
    OT - I was flipping channels the other day and I came across what I think is a perfect example of British PC propaganda circa 2022: The Sister Boniface Mysteries

    The series is set in rural England in the 1960s (a hotbed of murder to be sure). Sister Boniface is a nun but she is also a brilliant scientific forensic detective in the mold of Sherlock Holmes. Unlike Inspector Lestrade, the local police, in the personage of a handsome young white detective (very easy on the eyes for the ladies) welcome her involvement in solving every crime because her crime solving and technical skills are way above theirs. To complete the crime solving trio, a young black detective from Bermuda has been assigned to this remote village by bureaucratic mix up, as often happens.

    https://tellyvisions.org/sites/default/files/styles/alignnone/public/Sister-Boniface-Mysteries.jpeg

    Putting aside the ridiculous PC crap, the British seem to take a lighthearted approach to murder. In America, real murders happen all the time and they tend to be sordid - a drug dealer is shot down on a street corner by a rival dealer, someone bumps into someone at a club and they are shot for their offense, etc. Nothing funny about it. In British mysteries, rich (but evil) Uncle Henry is poisoned in comical fashion at a stuffy formal dinner by a roomful of heirs all of whom hate him - the question is which one dun it?

    Replies: @Liza, @Reg Cæsar, @Barnard

    Sister Boniface

    Saint Boniface was born in Devon and went to evangelize Germany, one of many (official or unofficial) patrons of countries other than the one in which they were born. Sts Patrick, Piran, and Peter Claver are other examples. Boniface rose to be Archbishop of Mainz.

    Note that the mission of all these men was to be of service to the countries and peoples to which they were sent. Today’s migrants migrate with other intentions.

    Britannica writes of St Francis Xavier,

    He is justly credited for his idea that the missionary must adapt to the customs and language of the people he evangelizes, and for his advocation of an educated native clergy—initiatives not always followed by his successors.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Francis-Xavier

    • Replies: @René Fries
    @Reg Cæsar

    Saint Boniface

    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  103. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia)

    England at the beginning of the 16th century ruled a segment of Ireland which today consists of fragments of the Counties Dublin, Louth, Meath, and Kildare. The rest of Ireland was ruled by local seigneurs. Ireland wasn't subdued until the end of Elizabeth's reign around 1603. (Other than a brief run of years in the 11th century, the only time Ireland was ever united was when the English were in charge of it). English rule was structured as a union of crowns until 1801, with Ireland having its own parliament and laws. Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.

    There was a time when Ukraine held Russia:

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    A few interesting things to me about that map:

    1) It shows where the "Romans" spread to what is now "Romania."

    2) It shows that the lands they made theirs were over by the Black Sea and did not extend too far west.

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is a range of mountains called Carpathian that ordinarily would form a natural border, but that was forgotten in the dealings at Versailles.

    3) It reminds me of how much Greek blood there really is in Romanians.

    My oral surgeon is married, like me, to a woman from Romania. He told me how when his wife's proud, Romanian mother had a DNA test she found out that most of her ancestry was Greek. It became kind of a joke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Rob McX

  104. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    So in this conference “Hate” is all about Muslims.

    Some are hateful Muslims (attacking Rushdie) and others are attacking some remote nation’s mosque because, well, Muslims are so nice and all.

    But El Supremo keeps harping that “white extremists” and MAGA hatters are the real haters. Enemies of Democracy and all.

    So they couldn’t find any Proud Boys still running loose? Boy Scouts? ‘My Pillow’ customers?

    Instead they are just importing foreign haters and ‘Religion of Peace’ haters who hate other religions and in particular, people of their religion who belong to to wrong sect.

    Jews of course are experts on Muslim haters. They can show others how to eliminate that, Gaza style…

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Muggles

    Speaking of, a white woman who studied Islamic fanatics is being cancelled because...she's a white woman.


    "The bottom line is such," wrote Jude Chehab, a Lebanese-American filmmaker, in a review of Jihad Rehab that criticized Sundance for daring to feature it. "When I, a practising Muslim woman, say that this film is problematic, my voice should be stronger than a white woman saying that it isn't. Point blank."
     
    https://reason.com/2022/09/26/cancel-culture-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker-film-sundance/
  105. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574221326004396034

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1574149045660024832

    America next.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @AnotherDad, @JimDandy

    She’s campaigned under the slogan “God, country and family,” fought covid lockdowns and vax mandates, opposes mass immigration, globalism, the “LGBT lobby,” and is pro-life.

    Good news. Thanks Johnny.

    I’ve pointed out just a few ships from the Italian Navy could easily shut down the whole Mediterranean migrant scam, if there was political will to do so. Of course, that requires
    a) taking aggressive and firm action
    b) standing up to the howls of outrage from professional whiners.

    I maintain some small silver of hope that Europe–or at least a section thereof–will save itself even as America heads down the tubes.

    America next.

    You can have the “Republican” party win an election … but that just lessens the bleeding a bit .. for a while.

    America is a much tougher nut. Hard core minoritarians are deeply entrenched in the establishment, and their ridiculous and toxic ideology has co-opted millions of minds and become de rigueur in the establishment. And our first-past-the-post voting system tends to push two-party conformity and now inhibits the rise of a real nationalist alternative. And effectively disenfranchises tens of millions of core Americans from being able to demand that their interests catered to even in a nominally “conservative” Congressional majority.

  106. @clifford brown

    I see 11 whites (maybe 5 Jewish), one Asian man, and one black woman.
     
    8 Jewish speakers (not that anyone is counting). There are two white guys, the New Zealander and the guy from the Chautauqua Institution. Abizaid is a Lebanese lesbian who is a big shot in counterterrorism. The Asian guy and the African lady, not even African American, but actually living in Africa. No Latinos.

    The conference seemed to have been inspired by the shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in 2018 which is of particular concern to the Jewish community. The New Zealander was there to talk about the Christ Church Mosque shooting and the Chautauqua President was there to discuss the recent stabbing of Salman Rushdie which happened at a Chautauqua event. I actually think this is a representative mix as the issue was not really about domestic issues of discrimination, but politicized "Hate" and extremism from a Homeland Security and National Security perspective. Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.

    Replies: @Inverness, @Janbar, @René Fries, @Dr. X, @Bill Jones, @AnotherDad, @Muggles, @New Dealer

    I had abandoned the hard left and was looking for new political orientations in the 80s. I spent some time with DC neocons. They asked me to help on emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union. I – naively – asked why not help Christians too? They looked at each other with slight smirks and said, well, if the Christians want to organize something like that they can.

    I thought about that a lot in later years.

    Looks like the hate conference had the same flavor.

    • Thanks: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @New Dealer

    Putting aside what (you say) the neocons told you, under Soviet law there were good reasons for treating Jews, who were officially considered a separate nationality from Russian (Christians), differently. In a Soviet citizen's internal passport there was a line for "Nationality" and for a Jew this line was filled in as евреи "yevrei" (Hebrew=Jewish).

    https://upsidelab-global.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/word-image-523.jpeg


    For Soviet Jews, this was a double edged sword - OTOH, this meant that they were suspected of being loyal to Israel rather than the USSR. OTOH, while emigration from the Soviet Union (in E. Germany this was called "flight from the Republic") was generally speaking a crime under USSR law, there were certain exceptions, one of which was for "family reunification". Every Jew in Russia had a "cousin" in Israel and if not, the Jewish Agency could invent one for you.

    Ostensibly, every Soviet Jew who left the USSR was moving to Israel. Why are there so many Soviet Jews in the US then? Exit from the USSR was not by direct flight to Israel (USSR and Israel had no diplomatic relations from 1967 when the USSR sponsored Arabs lost the Six Day War until the end of the Soviet Union). Rather, Jews leaving "to be reunited with their cousins in Israel" would take a train to Vienna or fly to Italy. Once they got there they might "change their mind" and seek to immigrate to the US instead.

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    Now I suppose Russian Christians could have invented their own charade, but it would have had to have been a different one than this.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @clifford brown, @New Dealer

  107. @AKAHorace
    If hate is the problem perhaps we need a Ministry of Love ?

    I am sure there are useful precedents.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuMolYpQKWU

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Supply and Demand

    this is the most boomer movie ever made.

  108. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Altai

    The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine

    „Russiagate“ wasn’t really a hoax. It was a cynical political game to turn a negative (Trump‘s Business connections to Russian organized crime figures) into a positive („Poor Trump is being persecuted by mean liberals‘“). Ironically leftists and progressives mostly could not care less about Trump and Russia (especially blacks, who tend to get angry when confronted with their ignorance about foreign affairs). It was mostly old school Republicans and centrists who found Trump‘s ties to Putin offensive, which was why discrediting the FBI and other white controlled American institutions suddenly became an article of faith among MAGA „conservatives“.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ic1000, @Chrisnonymous, @WJ

    Russiagate was the Democrat version of the Birther scandal. A ridiculous hoax that was not at all believable but it sold well to the mouth breathing portion of the Democratic party. Schiff, Shumer, Pelosi …. etc. were like ” can you believe that they believe this stuff”? I am sure they were pleasantly surprised that the non elite dems, bought into it. And then there was the pee pee tape which took it to a whole new level of tawdry silliness. Our media is composed of 13 year old girls apparently. When I went to school, the dregs went to J school so I suppose that makes sense.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @WJ

    Not really. The birther business was instigated more than anyone by Dr. Orly Taitz, who I don't believe had any previous involvements. The one politician who got involve was the contrivedly outre Joe Arpaio.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  109. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574221326004396034

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1574149045660024832

    America next.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @AnotherDad, @JimDandy

    And despite some of her rhetoric, her election is seen as a rebuke against the EU’s anti-Russia fervor.

  110. @Rob McX
    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574251105940377607

    Great speech.


    Why is the family an enemy? Why is the family so frightening...?

    Because it defines us. Because it's our identity.
     

    Replies: @Polistra, @SunBakedSuburb

    It would be nice if we had opposition like this Italian lady. Blumpft! did nothing whilst white and black joined together to shitcan cities during George Floyd’s Summer of Joy. Blumpft! was taking notes from Mossad sayanim Jared and Ivanka who worked to subvert the best Blumpft! policies.

    The Republicans? Mostly a sad and weaselly collection of impotent grifters overly concerned with corporate tax cuts and abortion. There are a few promising youngsters in the GOP and conservative commentariat, but the DC boomers are essentially spaghetti string mRNA blood clots in the body politic.

    DeSantis is making the right moves and identifying the political and cultural enemies of autonomy and freedom. But can he speak Italian?

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @CCG
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I think he can speak Italian (or learn to speak it), all his eight great-grandparents immigrated to the USA from Italy.
    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/columns/2020/03/24/cerabino-florida-gov-desantis-needs-to-start-acting-like-italian-mayor/112252536/

  111. …I see 11 whites…

    Sure the New Zealander doesn’t identify as Maori?

  112. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes
     

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.
     
    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/milleridriss/status/1573844741711699970

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    https://twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1573861082111803392

    Replies: @Muggles, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Anon, @Arclight

    Why is “Brian Hughes” tweeting about misogyny?

    Is this virtue signaling? Is he a fake woman?

    I guess if you go to some Woke Hatefest, you’d better keep quiet. If you are male and especially if you are White.

    Such groveling is sickening. Someone should make him wear a big dunce cap and hang a giant placard from his neck, reading “I am a self hating dick…”

  113. @Henry's Cat
    Sounds like a TERF war. Some geezer in a dress was disinvited to an orgy.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Sounds like a TERF war. Some geezer in a dress was disinvited to an orgy.”

    Shouldn’t that be “sheezer”?

  114. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes
     

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.
     
    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/milleridriss/status/1573844741711699970

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    https://twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1573861082111803392

    Replies: @Muggles, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Anon, @Arclight

    More evidence that the current crop of academics and intellectuals are silly people.

  115. Off topic but worth a look:

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/09/23/nina-totenberg-dinners-with-ruth-bader-ginsburg-00058467

    Politico magazine’s hit piece on NPR stooge Supreme Court “reporter” Nina Totenberg.

    Her crime? She covered up St. Ginsburg’s physical decline and failed to get her ousted from the Supreme Court. RGB declined to quit until dead…

    Of course Totenberg’s latest “book” is a worshipful account of her many “dinners with Ruth.”

    Both Ruth and Nina (at the time) believed like all Good People that La Hillary would beat Orange Man badly in 2016. So no worries… But it didn’t happen!

    So now longtime Soviet style government stooge Totenberg is reviled like Trotsky.

    She is to blame for overturning Roe v. Wade!

    Let the purges begin!

  116. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes
     

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.
     
    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/milleridriss/status/1573844741711699970

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    https://twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1573861082111803392

    Replies: @Muggles, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Anon, @Arclight

    Let’s just say the kind of things that will hopefully lead to a fierce new code of conduct for conferences & organizations to adopt & to which ppl commit so that professional meetings are safe, inclusive, & accessible & free of harassment, objectification & sexualization.

    We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week which left many people feeling excluded or deeply uncomfortable at best, or harassment and abuse at worst.

    They aren’t talking, but I get the impression some guy must have called some gal “cute” or something. Or implied that women have babies or something?

    I will say it’s interesting that these “progressive” anti-hate males, really don’t seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.

    Maybe they should just throw in the towel and have separate conferences for “she/her” people and “he/him” people and “they/them” people.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    I will say it’s interesting that these “progressive” anti-hate males, really don’t seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.
     
    The "red lines" which white men are not allowed to cross are vague and ever shifting so that you never know when you have crossed one and now must be defenestrated.

    This has a dual benefit - first of all it creates more opportunities to get rid of those pesky white males with their strong work ethic and take over their jobs.

    You can wait for a white male to say something formerly considered harmless ("Hey, that dress looks good on you") and quickly redraw the red line so he can be said to have crossed it.

    2nd, in the meantime you can keep whitey fearful and off balance - he is going to be timid and afraid to say ANYTHING for fear of crossing the line. Or else he is going to be a white knighting toady like Hughes, holier than the Pope, even more eager than women to defenestrate "evildoers". This is also beneficial to "strong" women, lesbians, etc. who are not handcuffed in the same way.

    Third, keep in mind that these PC norms are completely self-contradictory and contrary to human biology just like Communism was contrary to the laws of economics s0 they can never actually be achieved - you can only try to move TOWARD them and all such efforts are doomed to failure. But failure is seen only as a signal that you are being undermined by your enemies and need to redouble your efforts and never that you are on the wrong path.

    Women are supposed to be protected from "unwanted" advances but OTOH it's impossible to know in advance which advances are "unwanted". So if men were truly cowed into submission by these artificial "rules" the result would be the extinction of the human race because they would never make any advances at all (having the side benefit of reducing the competition for lesbians who often lose their efforts to seduce cute chicks to actual men). But meanwhile women (even many "feminists") spend a huge part of their life (much more than men) trying to make themselves appealing to men with elaborate hairdos, makeup, eye catching clothing and shoes, etc. so that (the right) men WILL make "wanted" advances.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  117. @Yancey Ward
    Where is there a meteor strike when you need one, or a gas leak?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @AndrewR, @Charles, @anonymous, @Matthew Kelly, @Liza, @Forbes

    And the week was topped off with the Global Citizen Fest in Central Park, NYC, where Nancy Pelosi made a surprise appearance–and got booed by the crowd. Talk about hate…

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-booed-during-surprise-appearance-nyc-music-festival-videos-appear-show

  118. @Jack D
    OT - I was flipping channels the other day and I came across what I think is a perfect example of British PC propaganda circa 2022: The Sister Boniface Mysteries

    The series is set in rural England in the 1960s (a hotbed of murder to be sure). Sister Boniface is a nun but she is also a brilliant scientific forensic detective in the mold of Sherlock Holmes. Unlike Inspector Lestrade, the local police, in the personage of a handsome young white detective (very easy on the eyes for the ladies) welcome her involvement in solving every crime because her crime solving and technical skills are way above theirs. To complete the crime solving trio, a young black detective from Bermuda has been assigned to this remote village by bureaucratic mix up, as often happens.

    https://tellyvisions.org/sites/default/files/styles/alignnone/public/Sister-Boniface-Mysteries.jpeg

    Putting aside the ridiculous PC crap, the British seem to take a lighthearted approach to murder. In America, real murders happen all the time and they tend to be sordid - a drug dealer is shot down on a street corner by a rival dealer, someone bumps into someone at a club and they are shot for their offense, etc. Nothing funny about it. In British mysteries, rich (but evil) Uncle Henry is poisoned in comical fashion at a stuffy formal dinner by a roomful of heirs all of whom hate him - the question is which one dun it?

    Replies: @Liza, @Reg Cæsar, @Barnard

    Lots of past American TV shows had a rather light approach to murder mysteries. Monk was the most recent one I remember, from what I hear, the Hallmark channel has had a couple of different movie series with a similar approach.

    For the standards of British TV this show is almost realistic. Now it wouldn’t be surprising if 50% of the cast was non white, they included interracial marriages and made a well known British historical figure black. The recent remake of All Creatures Great and Small featured an interracial farm couple in the 1930s Yorkshire Dales in the one episode I bothered to watch.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Barnard

    I knew an interracial couple living in a remote moorland house in the Yorkshire dales in the 1960s. I believe the wife was an African midwife.

  119. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes
     

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.
     
    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/milleridriss/status/1573844741711699970

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    https://twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1573861082111803392

    Replies: @Muggles, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Anon, @Arclight

    My best guess is that a guy hit on a woman who considers herself way out of his league. No better way for a man to piss off a woman than asking her out when she thinks she’s far superior to you.

    Also, dude was white (“frat boy”).

  120. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia)

    England at the beginning of the 16th century ruled a segment of Ireland which today consists of fragments of the Counties Dublin, Louth, Meath, and Kildare. The rest of Ireland was ruled by local seigneurs. Ireland wasn't subdued until the end of Elizabeth's reign around 1603. (Other than a brief run of years in the 11th century, the only time Ireland was ever united was when the English were in charge of it). English rule was structured as a union of crowns until 1801, with Ireland having its own parliament and laws. Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    Putting aside what constitutes a little or a lot (even by your selective account the English were there longer – the English fully subdued Ireland almost 200 years before the Russians gained full dominion over Ukraine) you are leaving out the main part which is that the Anglo-Norman conquest of Ireland began in 1169. As Reg points out, in 1169 it would have been more proper to say that Kiev ruled Moscow rather than vice versa.

    It might have stayed that way except for the Mongol invasion. The Mongols really reshuffled the deck of Russian history and the next time the cards were dealt (200 years later), Muscovy’s card came out on top.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    It might have stayed that way except for the Mongol invasion. The Mongols really reshuffled the deck of Russian history and the next time the cards were dealt (200 years later), Muscovy’s card came out on top.

    Sure but I wouldn't describe it as a random shuffle. Moscow became the primary center because the Russian prince was good at making alliances with the Mongols. So he basically gave into them to maintain his power. Which makes Moscow an homage to Russians whoring themselves out to Asian conquerors.

    But according to the logic of Putin's defenders he should immediately give most of the land back to Mongolia. They did after all hold it for over 200 years before Russia was a state. Couldn't be that Putin is just plain full of shit and making it all up as he goes along. Everyone seems to forget that dictators can do that since criticizing them isn't allowed. No one in Russia will stick a mic in his face and ask why most of Russia doesn't belong to Mongolia by the same rationale.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    Russia held the western Ukraine for just shy of 200 years, the eastern Ukraine for > 300 years.
     
    There was a time when Ukraine held Russia:


    https://smarthistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Map-Byzantium-and-Kyivan-Rus.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    A few interesting things to me about that map:

    1) It shows where the “Romans” spread to what is now “Romania.”

    2) It shows that the lands they made theirs were over by the Black Sea and did not extend too far west.

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is a range of mountains called Carpathian that ordinarily would form a natural border, but that was forgotten in the dealings at Versailles.

    3) It reminds me of how much Greek blood there really is in Romanians.

    My oral surgeon is married, like me, to a woman from Romania. He told me how when his wife’s proud, Romanian mother had a DNA test she found out that most of her ancestry was Greek. It became kind of a joke.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    The Greeks had colonies all over the Black Sea coast since ancient time (the 6th century BC):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Ancient_colonies.PNG

    (Greeks in blue, Phoenicians in red)

    Although you can see that the Greeks, being a maritime people and not super numerous (nor interested in ruling over others) mostly kept to a thin coastal strip, as if the white conquest of N. America had stopped in 1700.

    A handful of Greek speakers persisted in Ukraine until modern times although they were much battered by the tides of history.

    (BTW, based on this map the Lebanese have a good claim to the Costa del Sol of Spain. )

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @John Johnson
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is another map you might want to take a look at since it is after the Kievan Rus.

    https://media1.fdncms.com/northcoast/imager/u/original/21448231/field_notes-01-a5de8781b5371ea7.jpg

    Russia clearly isn't a real country and belongs to Mongolia since they held it for over 200 years. They also have a made up language because some guy in Mongolia said that it isn't a real language. Facts.

    , @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk

    When someone spoke of "Romania" in the Middle Ages, they meant the Byzantine Empire. Even though it was centred in Greece and Asia Minor, it was always viewed as Rome's successor. To this day, ethnic Greeks in Turkey are known as Rumlar (Romans).

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Diversity Heretic

  122. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Let’s just say the kind of things that will hopefully lead to a fierce new code of conduct for conferences & organizations to adopt & to which ppl commit so that professional meetings are safe, inclusive, & accessible & free of harassment, objectification & sexualization.
     


    We are all reeling from a range of events at a conference this week which left many people feeling excluded or deeply uncomfortable at best, or harassment and abuse at worst.
     
    They aren't talking, but I get the impression some guy must have called some gal "cute" or something. Or implied that women have babies or something?

    I will say it's interesting that these "progressive" anti-hate males, really don't seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.

    Maybe they should just throw in the towel and have separate conferences for "she/her" people and "he/him" people and "they/them" people.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I will say it’s interesting that these “progressive” anti-hate males, really don’t seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.

    The “red lines” which white men are not allowed to cross are vague and ever shifting so that you never know when you have crossed one and now must be defenestrated.

    This has a dual benefit – first of all it creates more opportunities to get rid of those pesky white males with their strong work ethic and take over their jobs.

    You can wait for a white male to say something formerly considered harmless (“Hey, that dress looks good on you”) and quickly redraw the red line so he can be said to have crossed it.

    2nd, in the meantime you can keep whitey fearful and off balance – he is going to be timid and afraid to say ANYTHING for fear of crossing the line. Or else he is going to be a white knighting toady like Hughes, holier than the Pope, even more eager than women to defenestrate “evildoers”. This is also beneficial to “strong” women, lesbians, etc. who are not handcuffed in the same way.

    Third, keep in mind that these PC norms are completely self-contradictory and contrary to human biology just like Communism was contrary to the laws of economics s0 they can never actually be achieved – you can only try to move TOWARD them and all such efforts are doomed to failure. But failure is seen only as a signal that you are being undermined by your enemies and need to redouble your efforts and never that you are on the wrong path.

    Women are supposed to be protected from “unwanted” advances but OTOH it’s impossible to know in advance which advances are “unwanted”. So if men were truly cowed into submission by these artificial “rules” the result would be the extinction of the human race because they would never make any advances at all (having the side benefit of reducing the competition for lesbians who often lose their efforts to seduce cute chicks to actual men). But meanwhile women (even many “feminists”) spend a huge part of their life (much more than men) trying to make themselves appealing to men with elaborate hairdos, makeup, eye catching clothing and shoes, etc. so that (the right) men WILL make “wanted” advances.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Third, keep in mind that these PC norms are completely self-contradictory and contrary to human biology ... But failure is seen only as a signal that you are being undermined by your enemies and need to redouble your efforts and never that you are on the wrong path.

    Women are supposed to be protected from “unwanted” advances but OTOH it’s impossible to know in advance which advances are “unwanted”. So if men were truly cowed into submission by these artificial “rules” the result would be the extinction of the human race ...
     
    Yep, "contrary to human biology" more or less covers it. Men are programmed to notice and be interested in attractive women. And women, of course, generally like this ... so long as the attention is either of a man they are interested in, or one whose attention is flattering or beneficial.

    The ironic--or maybe just annoying--aspect is that we used to have a perfectly reasonable system for protecting women from unwanted advances: marriage and traditional social norms. Young women could weigh the benefits of the various suitors interested--and the suitors were supposed to be serious--and choose the one most emotionally, physically and rationally appealing. And once, married serious advances--anything beyond mere trivial compliments--were bad form. This old system did the necessary work of

    -- channeling sexual desire toward propagating the species in the most favor environment--a family--for instilling in children the virtues and skills necessary to maintain civilization.

    -- constraining male sexual interest with rules to let women easily "get on" with navigating life.

    But hey, what's the fun in that.
  123. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hate Among the Coalition of the Fringes
     

    Not surprisingly, there are rumors that hate was rampant among attendees toward each other.
     
    Poking around the Twitter timelines of attendees mentioned on the main EradicateHate_ Twitter account, it appears a man or men at the summit committed a sexism, possibly even a misogyny:

    https://twitter.com/milleridriss/status/1573844741711699970

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573974220085907456

    https://twitter.com/MrBrianHughes/status/1573980661509246976

    https://twitter.com/CasMudde/status/1573861082111803392

    Replies: @Muggles, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad, @Anon, @Arclight

    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.
     
    Viscerally appealing.

    But the simple solution is separation.

    In this particular case it's obvious that this is a next of parasites--feeding off productive Americans directly and indirectly in a variety of ways.

    But the overall situation is quite straightforward, we have a nation--"America"--and some sort of kludgy anti-nation--"Rainbow"--unfortunately existing in some partially overlapping geographic territories. I claim that at root the Rainbow people are parasites on the vast material production of the American people. But even if one disputes this analysis, the point still remains: Self determination:

    The Rainbows have the right to be Rainbows. But what they do not have the right to do dictate how Americans think, behave, live, and govern ourselves nor that we have to give them our stuff.

    Replies: @NOTA

  124. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    A few interesting things to me about that map:

    1) It shows where the "Romans" spread to what is now "Romania."

    2) It shows that the lands they made theirs were over by the Black Sea and did not extend too far west.

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is a range of mountains called Carpathian that ordinarily would form a natural border, but that was forgotten in the dealings at Versailles.

    3) It reminds me of how much Greek blood there really is in Romanians.

    My oral surgeon is married, like me, to a woman from Romania. He told me how when his wife's proud, Romanian mother had a DNA test she found out that most of her ancestry was Greek. It became kind of a joke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Rob McX

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    The Greeks had colonies all over the Black Sea coast since ancient time (the 6th century BC):

    (Greeks in blue, Phoenicians in red)

    Although you can see that the Greeks, being a maritime people and not super numerous (nor interested in ruling over others) mostly kept to a thin coastal strip, as if the white conquest of N. America had stopped in 1700.

    A handful of Greek speakers persisted in Ukraine until modern times although they were much battered by the tides of history.

    (BTW, based on this map the Lebanese have a good claim to the Costa del Sol of Spain. )

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    Agree.

    The most reasonable claims to me are "what the people who live there want?".

    Where I think it's fair to bring history in is "homeland". Who lives on the land and depends upon it? Whose homeland is this historically? Who are the people who can not leave, because this is their homeland and they do not have someplace else to go? A right of self-determination for you is legitimate. But there is no right to the other guy nor his stuff, his turf.

    For instance, I consider the claims of say British people in say Yorkshire to be far superior to the Pakis claims. The Pakis are relative newcomers and if they really want to practice their religion, norms, culture ... there's a nation for them to do that in--Pakistan. OTOH for the native Yorkshiremen--real ones, not the newspaper name for a Paki rapist--there is no other place.

    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it's been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.

    Getting different peoples separated and into more or less their correct nation helped make the post War period more pleasant and peaceful in Europe. And it was the "unsorted" places where trouble tended to flare up.

    I think most of these issues are tractable and can be worked out by people of good faith. "Good faith" and acceptance of the legitimacy of other people's legitimate interests ... often in short supply.

    Replies: @CCG

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Thank you, once again, Captain Obvious. I agree, and there is nothing in my comment that would indicate that I do not.

    I especially agree with what you say here:


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    Now do Palestine.

    Replies: @Jack D

  125. @Muggles
    @clifford brown

    So in this conference "Hate" is all about Muslims.

    Some are hateful Muslims (attacking Rushdie) and others are attacking some remote nation's mosque because, well, Muslims are so nice and all.

    But El Supremo keeps harping that "white extremists" and MAGA hatters are the real haters. Enemies of Democracy and all.

    So they couldn't find any Proud Boys still running loose? Boy Scouts? 'My Pillow' customers?

    Instead they are just importing foreign haters and 'Religion of Peace' haters who hate other religions and in particular, people of their religion who belong to to wrong sect.

    Jews of course are experts on Muslim haters. They can show others how to eliminate that, Gaza style...

    Replies: @Polistra

    Speaking of, a white woman who studied Islamic fanatics is being cancelled because…she’s a white woman.

    “The bottom line is such,” wrote Jude Chehab, a Lebanese-American filmmaker, in a review of Jihad Rehab that criticized Sundance for daring to feature it. “When I, a practising Muslim woman, say that this film is problematic, my voice should be stronger than a white woman saying that it isn’t. Point blank.”

    https://reason.com/2022/09/26/cancel-culture-jihad-rehab-meg-smaker-film-sundance/

  126. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    A few interesting things to me about that map:

    1) It shows where the "Romans" spread to what is now "Romania."

    2) It shows that the lands they made theirs were over by the Black Sea and did not extend too far west.

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is a range of mountains called Carpathian that ordinarily would form a natural border, but that was forgotten in the dealings at Versailles.

    3) It reminds me of how much Greek blood there really is in Romanians.

    My oral surgeon is married, like me, to a woman from Romania. He told me how when his wife's proud, Romanian mother had a DNA test she found out that most of her ancestry was Greek. It became kind of a joke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Rob McX

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is another map you might want to take a look at since it is after the Kievan Rus.

    Russia clearly isn’t a real country and belongs to Mongolia since they held it for over 200 years. They also have a made up language because some guy in Mongolia said that it isn’t a real language. Facts.

  127. @New Dealer
    @clifford brown

    I had abandoned the hard left and was looking for new political orientations in the 80s. I spent some time with DC neocons. They asked me to help on emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union. I - naively - asked why not help Christians too? They looked at each other with slight smirks and said, well, if the Christians want to organize something like that they can.

    I thought about that a lot in later years.

    Looks like the hate conference had the same flavor.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Putting aside what (you say) the neocons told you, under Soviet law there were good reasons for treating Jews, who were officially considered a separate nationality from Russian (Christians), differently. In a Soviet citizen’s internal passport there was a line for “Nationality” and for a Jew this line was filled in as евреи “yevrei” (Hebrew=Jewish).

    For Soviet Jews, this was a double edged sword – OTOH, this meant that they were suspected of being loyal to Israel rather than the USSR. OTOH, while emigration from the Soviet Union (in E. Germany this was called “flight from the Republic”) was generally speaking a crime under USSR law, there were certain exceptions, one of which was for “family reunification”. Every Jew in Russia had a “cousin” in Israel and if not, the Jewish Agency could invent one for you.

    Ostensibly, every Soviet Jew who left the USSR was moving to Israel. Why are there so many Soviet Jews in the US then? Exit from the USSR was not by direct flight to Israel (USSR and Israel had no diplomatic relations from 1967 when the USSR sponsored Arabs lost the Six Day War until the end of the Soviet Union). Rather, Jews leaving “to be reunited with their cousins in Israel” would take a train to Vienna or fly to Italy. Once they got there they might “change their mind” and seek to immigrate to the US instead.

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    Now I suppose Russian Christians could have invented their own charade, but it would have had to have been a different one than this.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    But which period are you talking about? At some point they started locking them in after realizing how many scientists and doctors they were losing to Israel. In 1972 they put a massive "exit tax" on them and Jewish emigration dropped.

    Ironically Putin is currently trying to lock in his Jews while his cheerleading bloggers at Unz like Anglin depict him as in some epic battle with Jews.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-moves-to-block-russian-jews-from-immigrating-to-israel/ar-AAZedGJ

    Putin: NOOOO don't leave Jews, we need our Jewish doctors to care for the wounded!!!
    Anglin: Yep. He's going after the Jews. My Hitler 2.0 dreams will come true even if they only exist in my head.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Art Deco

    , @clifford brown
    @Jack D

    As a multi-ethnic empire going back to the time of the czar, Soviet passports noted several different nationalities and religions. Jews were not singled out in this respect. The Soviet Union was an extremely massive and diverse nation as Russia is today. The Soviet Union had a system of internal passports that restricted travel beyond a citizen's city or oblast. People in general were subject to travel restrictions.

    This is just anectdotal, but I have known a few Jews who grew up in the Soviet Union who claim to have not been discriminated against for their religion or ethnicity. They acknowledge that everyone was kind of miserable, but they did not feel singled out. This causes dismay among Jewish Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Russia more than a century ago. "You were oppressed!" "No, we weren't oppressed, we were just miserable like everyone else!" I have witnessed a few arguments on this matter and I lean towards those who actually lived in the Soviet Union.

    Russian Jews of this opinion tend to not be intellectuals, not be religious and a little rough around the edges, but the sentiment is there, especially in the Outer Boroughs. They would argue that antiSemitism was worse after the fall of the Soviet Union that during the Soviet Union. They also tend to be Putin fans although they likely do not say that loudly these days. I also know there are quite a few Russians who reside in Israel who have a soft spot still for Mother Russia.

    I think it is complicated.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @New Dealer
    @Jack D

    I’v tried but I don’t understand the meaning of your comment. What are you getting at? Are you saying that it was tough for the Jews in the USSR, but the Christians had it easy?

    There was certainly a Soviet Jewry movement and some Jews were forbidden to emigrate from the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Jewry_movement It was a big deal for Neocons and for some Jewish lobbyists.

    There was a monstrously oppressive anti-religious movement in the USSR that viciously persecuted all religions, especially Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-religious_campaign_during_the_Russian_Civil_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921%E2%80%931928)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928%E2%80%931941)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1958%E2%80%931964)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1970s%E2%80%931987)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union#Renewal_of_persecution_in_the_1970s

  128. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Putting aside what constitutes a little or a lot (even by your selective account the English were there longer - the English fully subdued Ireland almost 200 years before the Russians gained full dominion over Ukraine) you are leaving out the main part which is that the Anglo-Norman conquest of Ireland began in 1169. As Reg points out, in 1169 it would have been more proper to say that Kiev ruled Moscow rather than vice versa.

    It might have stayed that way except for the Mongol invasion. The Mongols really reshuffled the deck of Russian history and the next time the cards were dealt (200 years later), Muscovy's card came out on top.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It might have stayed that way except for the Mongol invasion. The Mongols really reshuffled the deck of Russian history and the next time the cards were dealt (200 years later), Muscovy’s card came out on top.

    Sure but I wouldn’t describe it as a random shuffle. Moscow became the primary center because the Russian prince was good at making alliances with the Mongols. So he basically gave into them to maintain his power. Which makes Moscow an homage to Russians whoring themselves out to Asian conquerors.

    But according to the logic of Putin’s defenders he should immediately give most of the land back to Mongolia. They did after all hold it for over 200 years before Russia was a state. Couldn’t be that Putin is just plain full of shit and making it all up as he goes along. Everyone seems to forget that dictators can do that since criticizing them isn’t allowed. No one in Russia will stick a mic in his face and ask why most of Russia doesn’t belong to Mongolia by the same rationale.

  129. @Jack D
    @New Dealer

    Putting aside what (you say) the neocons told you, under Soviet law there were good reasons for treating Jews, who were officially considered a separate nationality from Russian (Christians), differently. In a Soviet citizen's internal passport there was a line for "Nationality" and for a Jew this line was filled in as евреи "yevrei" (Hebrew=Jewish).

    https://upsidelab-global.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/word-image-523.jpeg


    For Soviet Jews, this was a double edged sword - OTOH, this meant that they were suspected of being loyal to Israel rather than the USSR. OTOH, while emigration from the Soviet Union (in E. Germany this was called "flight from the Republic") was generally speaking a crime under USSR law, there were certain exceptions, one of which was for "family reunification". Every Jew in Russia had a "cousin" in Israel and if not, the Jewish Agency could invent one for you.

    Ostensibly, every Soviet Jew who left the USSR was moving to Israel. Why are there so many Soviet Jews in the US then? Exit from the USSR was not by direct flight to Israel (USSR and Israel had no diplomatic relations from 1967 when the USSR sponsored Arabs lost the Six Day War until the end of the Soviet Union). Rather, Jews leaving "to be reunited with their cousins in Israel" would take a train to Vienna or fly to Italy. Once they got there they might "change their mind" and seek to immigrate to the US instead.

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    Now I suppose Russian Christians could have invented their own charade, but it would have had to have been a different one than this.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @clifford brown, @New Dealer

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    But which period are you talking about? At some point they started locking them in after realizing how many scientists and doctors they were losing to Israel. In 1972 they put a massive “exit tax” on them and Jewish emigration dropped.

    Ironically Putin is currently trying to lock in his Jews while his cheerleading bloggers at Unz like Anglin depict him as in some epic battle with Jews.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-moves-to-block-russian-jews-from-immigrating-to-israel/ar-AAZedGJ

    Putin: NOOOO don’t leave Jews, we need our Jewish doctors to care for the wounded!!!
    Anglin: Yep. He’s going after the Jews. My Hitler 2.0 dreams will come true even if they only exist in my head.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @John Johnson

    Extrapolating from existing trends, within a few years the iSteve comment threads will be all about jews talking to other jews about who should and who shouldn't be permitted to comment here.

    There will be a few asians trying to interrupt and object, but they will be swatted down like the semi-white-adjacent creatures they are.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It's a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    Replies: @John Johnson

  130. Attention Steve Sailer:

    Here’s your chance to say something nice about Andrew Sullivan. You were pleasant in your prior disputation with Mr Sullivan, but the IMMIGRATION ISSUE and MONETARY POLICY are the big dogs in the front yard, and Sullivan says something reasonable about media coverage of the immigration issue.

    The Bezos Blog or the company newsletter of the American Empire called the Swamp City DC Post, glosses over the IMMIGRATION ISSUE as reason for MELONI triumphing in Italy.

    Andrew Sullivan correctly identifies GASLIGHTING as the propaganda method of the Swamp City DC Post and the rest of the corporate propaganda apparatus.

  131. Mestizo Spaniard Pedro Gonzalez stays.

    Dan McLaughlin goes.

    That’s more of my immigration/deportation policy.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Charles Pewitt

    Just to point out that McLaughlin is a lapsed lawyer on the patronage of the people now financing National Review (his current institutional address). His complex of views is unusual among street-level Republicans. He himself is not an influential personage and he has little or nothing in the way of a reader constituency. One of the few people who pays attention to him is the blogger 'Ace of Spades', and then only to deride him.

  132. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    A few interesting things to me about that map:

    1) It shows where the "Romans" spread to what is now "Romania."

    2) It shows that the lands they made theirs were over by the Black Sea and did not extend too far west.

    This has implications for the history of that region since, leading up to the post WWI Treaty of Trianon that moved the Romanian border west, taking a part of Hungary and the old Austro-Hungarian border in.

    There is a range of mountains called Carpathian that ordinarily would form a natural border, but that was forgotten in the dealings at Versailles.

    3) It reminds me of how much Greek blood there really is in Romanians.

    My oral surgeon is married, like me, to a woman from Romania. He told me how when his wife's proud, Romanian mother had a DNA test she found out that most of her ancestry was Greek. It became kind of a joke.

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Johnson, @Rob McX

    When someone spoke of “Romania” in the Middle Ages, they meant the Byzantine Empire. Even though it was centred in Greece and Asia Minor, it was always viewed as Rome’s successor. To this day, ethnic Greeks in Turkey are known as Rumlar (Romans).

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Rob McX

    The current attribution of "Romania" to the modern Republic of that name is a product of 19th century dreamy nationalism. Prior to the 19th century the speakers of Romance based dialects in Eastern Europe were usually known as Vlachs. Intellectuals realized that reclaiming a somewhat tenuous connection to ancient Rome would give their mostly peasant and pastoral population some much needed credibility versus the higher status Hungarian nobles, German colonists, Jewish middlemen, and Slavic peasants they were sharing land with. "Romania" was also a handy and noble sounding word to unite Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldavia and Bessarabia into a country that had never historically existed.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Rob McX

    The land in Turkey around and west of Istanbul (Constantinople) is still known as Rumelia, the land of the Romans.

  133. @Thulean Friend
    Secular Jews are playing a dangerous game. They think POC activists will include them in their anti-White coalition but seats are limited and competition is fierce.

    Sooner rather than later they will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel

    But the POC activists also have their internal splits. Right now many are Indian women coming from high-caste families. So far, remarkably few people are willing to ask questions how the offspring of Indias top 1% families can portray themselves as victims compared to, say, poor White working-class men.

    But since Whites are the ultimate villains in this world, the attack will come from elsewhere. How long until they are thrown under the bus for being caste oppressors by "dalit activists"?

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop - or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Bugg, @Pierre de Craon, @I, Libertine

    Sooner rather than later they [i.e., Jews] will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    It’s difficult to work up sympathy for an ethnic group that owns so many major publishing firms that its members are assured of a warm reception for books that do little but whine about how tough things are getting for them.

  134. @Altai
    The Jewish boomers born in New York City in the 40s-60s truly have lost their minds and are incapable of understanding the political and social terrain.

    See Jon Stewart having a total breakdown. (Hilariously he recently presented some award in the US to an Avoz brigade fighter who had his neo-nazi tattoos covered with a flesh-toned basketball sleeve.)

    See Jennifer Rubin revealing her darkest instincts with no consequence.

    Trump won because of nice white gentile life long democrats in the Great Lake states who voted for Obama twice. They did this because Trump had a total monopoly in expressing their rational social and economic grievances about neoliberal economic policies which includes mass immigration. If you want him gone and want the far right to stop profiting from this monopoly you have only to embrace a pro-social and not irrational immigration position yourself. They would have gladly voted for Sanders if he'd been allowed on the ballot and absolutely voted for a version of Sanders which articulated his anti-mass migration stance prior to the Great Awokening last seen only in 2011. They didn't vote for a demagogue, they voted for policies. The response to this was hysterical to say the least and basically amounted to a media coup campaign for 4 years. This destroyed the sense of legitimacy of American democracy for liberal progressives (The whole Russiagate hoax which has also intensified and led to the current war in Ukraine) and then when Trump lost in 2020 destroyed it for people who voted for Trump. Good job.

    This lesson was learned in Denmark. Astonishingly it is so far the only country in the West where the mainstream left has embrace policies that would put even some of the explicitly anti-immigration parties to shame. And, sadly, it seems only because a unique political situation led to it receiving far less immigration post 2000 than other countries. Basically immigrants were too few and too marginal to impose a veto on ethnic Danes talking about immigration and feeling like they owned Denmark.

    Like the also Jewish neocon push against Russia in a move that is geopolitically aggressive and not defensive we see a delusional lack of introspection about who is pushing whose boundaries. The Russians would never back down because they saw this as what it was intended to be, an aggression and a threat. As both Obama and retired general Macgregor (He doesn't capitalise gregor in his name) have said the same thing, this is a Cod War, where one side is actually invested in the outcome and the other is just chancing it's arm and doesn't really care, Russia would always match any US escalation.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war

    Given Washington’s inability to end the war in Ukraine with the defeat of Russian arms, it seems certain that the Beltway will try instead to turn the ruins of the Ukrainian state into an open wound in Russia’s side that will never heal. From the beginning, the problem with this approach was that Russia always had the resources to dramatically escalate the fighting and end the fighting in Ukraine on very harsh terms. Escalation is now in progress.
     

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525

    Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars

    Instead of doing as Steve has asked of "knocking it off" since, actually the Jews have done pretty well by white gentiles in the US, they live in a bubble where everyone is afraid of telling them they're aggressive and crazy and so they create a backlash and so their response to keep pushing. Well, people will keep pushing back because they feel it's worth it. We see it too in Ukraine, the Kagans et all still refuse to "knock it off". (Indeed the whole pro-war movement in the West has a very pronounced Jewish tinge... ) And now US hegemony is looking very threadbare. Is the US in their eyes just as expendable as Ukraine in service of Israel? I don't think it is but emotionally they seem to feel that way. They've tried to overthrow and destroy Russia suddenly because it intervened to stop the latest edition of 'invade the world, invite the world' in Syria.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Peter Akuleyev, @Jack D, @Thoughts

    Steve should post this to his blog

    The concept of Jews attacking Russia/China because Russia/China are defending Mid-East Territorial Integrity Needs to be Shouted from the Rooftops

  135. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    I will say it’s interesting that these “progressive” anti-hate males, really don’t seem to either be aware of or else be able to restrain themselves from violating the PC norms they claim to champion.
     
    The "red lines" which white men are not allowed to cross are vague and ever shifting so that you never know when you have crossed one and now must be defenestrated.

    This has a dual benefit - first of all it creates more opportunities to get rid of those pesky white males with their strong work ethic and take over their jobs.

    You can wait for a white male to say something formerly considered harmless ("Hey, that dress looks good on you") and quickly redraw the red line so he can be said to have crossed it.

    2nd, in the meantime you can keep whitey fearful and off balance - he is going to be timid and afraid to say ANYTHING for fear of crossing the line. Or else he is going to be a white knighting toady like Hughes, holier than the Pope, even more eager than women to defenestrate "evildoers". This is also beneficial to "strong" women, lesbians, etc. who are not handcuffed in the same way.

    Third, keep in mind that these PC norms are completely self-contradictory and contrary to human biology just like Communism was contrary to the laws of economics s0 they can never actually be achieved - you can only try to move TOWARD them and all such efforts are doomed to failure. But failure is seen only as a signal that you are being undermined by your enemies and need to redouble your efforts and never that you are on the wrong path.

    Women are supposed to be protected from "unwanted" advances but OTOH it's impossible to know in advance which advances are "unwanted". So if men were truly cowed into submission by these artificial "rules" the result would be the extinction of the human race because they would never make any advances at all (having the side benefit of reducing the competition for lesbians who often lose their efforts to seduce cute chicks to actual men). But meanwhile women (even many "feminists") spend a huge part of their life (much more than men) trying to make themselves appealing to men with elaborate hairdos, makeup, eye catching clothing and shoes, etc. so that (the right) men WILL make "wanted" advances.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Third, keep in mind that these PC norms are completely self-contradictory and contrary to human biology … But failure is seen only as a signal that you are being undermined by your enemies and need to redouble your efforts and never that you are on the wrong path.

    Women are supposed to be protected from “unwanted” advances but OTOH it’s impossible to know in advance which advances are “unwanted”. So if men were truly cowed into submission by these artificial “rules” the result would be the extinction of the human race …

    Yep, “contrary to human biology” more or less covers it. Men are programmed to notice and be interested in attractive women. And women, of course, generally like this … so long as the attention is either of a man they are interested in, or one whose attention is flattering or beneficial.

    The ironic–or maybe just annoying–aspect is that we used to have a perfectly reasonable system for protecting women from unwanted advances: marriage and traditional social norms. Young women could weigh the benefits of the various suitors interested–and the suitors were supposed to be serious–and choose the one most emotionally, physically and rationally appealing. And once, married serious advances–anything beyond mere trivial compliments–were bad form. This old system did the necessary work of

    — channeling sexual desire toward propagating the species in the most favor environment–a family–for instilling in children the virtues and skills necessary to maintain civilization.

    — constraining male sexual interest with rules to let women easily “get on” with navigating life.

    But hey, what’s the fun in that.

  136. @Thulean Friend
    Secular Jews are playing a dangerous game. They think POC activists will include them in their anti-White coalition but seats are limited and competition is fierce.

    Sooner rather than later they will be thrown under the bus. Some Jews have already written whining books about this trend.

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/jews-dont-count-david-baddiel

    But the POC activists also have their internal splits. Right now many are Indian women coming from high-caste families. So far, remarkably few people are willing to ask questions how the offspring of Indias top 1% families can portray themselves as victims compared to, say, poor White working-class men.

    But since Whites are the ultimate villains in this world, the attack will come from elsewhere. How long until they are thrown under the bus for being caste oppressors by "dalit activists"?

    Once you start the Oppression Olympics carousel, there is no easy way to stop - or from being eaten by the monster you fed and nurtured for years.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Bugg, @Pierre de Craon, @I, Libertine

    If I were to question any of my second-generation Indian co-workers or acquaintances about the caste to which they belong, what kind of a reaction would I get?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @I, Libertine


    If I were to question any of my second-generation Indian co-workers or acquaintances about the caste to which they belong, what kind of a reaction would I get?
     
    Fired
  137. (Sees eight-part Twitter rant at “*our* community”. Grabs popcorn.)

  138. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    But which period are you talking about? At some point they started locking them in after realizing how many scientists and doctors they were losing to Israel. In 1972 they put a massive "exit tax" on them and Jewish emigration dropped.

    Ironically Putin is currently trying to lock in his Jews while his cheerleading bloggers at Unz like Anglin depict him as in some epic battle with Jews.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-moves-to-block-russian-jews-from-immigrating-to-israel/ar-AAZedGJ

    Putin: NOOOO don't leave Jews, we need our Jewish doctors to care for the wounded!!!
    Anglin: Yep. He's going after the Jews. My Hitler 2.0 dreams will come true even if they only exist in my head.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Art Deco

    Extrapolating from existing trends, within a few years the iSteve comment threads will be all about jews talking to other jews about who should and who shouldn’t be permitted to comment here.

    There will be a few asians trying to interrupt and object, but they will be swatted down like the semi-white-adjacent creatures they are.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @HammerJack

    Extrapolating from existing trends, within a few years the iSteve comment threads will be all about jews talking to other jews about who should and who shouldn’t be permitted to comment here

    Well I get called a Jew all the time for being against the war so I wouldn't notice a difference.

    Putin openly sells Israel their oil and is trying to lock in Russian Jews but I get called Hasbara troll for being against a war where non-Jews are the victims.

    Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it and deny all the facts in front of you. Which is what Anglin and Pepe's followers do with any contradictory information.

    The establishment believes that race must not exist and the Jew blamers believe that Putin must be on our side. Both have no intent of examining reality before making conclusions.

  139. @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk

    When someone spoke of "Romania" in the Middle Ages, they meant the Byzantine Empire. Even though it was centred in Greece and Asia Minor, it was always viewed as Rome's successor. To this day, ethnic Greeks in Turkey are known as Rumlar (Romans).

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Diversity Heretic

    The current attribution of “Romania” to the modern Republic of that name is a product of 19th century dreamy nationalism. Prior to the 19th century the speakers of Romance based dialects in Eastern Europe were usually known as Vlachs. Intellectuals realized that reclaiming a somewhat tenuous connection to ancient Rome would give their mostly peasant and pastoral population some much needed credibility versus the higher status Hungarian nobles, German colonists, Jewish middlemen, and Slavic peasants they were sharing land with. “Romania” was also a handy and noble sounding word to unite Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldavia and Bessarabia into a country that had never historically existed.

  140. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    The Greeks had colonies all over the Black Sea coast since ancient time (the 6th century BC):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Ancient_colonies.PNG

    (Greeks in blue, Phoenicians in red)

    Although you can see that the Greeks, being a maritime people and not super numerous (nor interested in ruling over others) mostly kept to a thin coastal strip, as if the white conquest of N. America had stopped in 1700.

    A handful of Greek speakers persisted in Ukraine until modern times although they were much battered by the tides of history.

    (BTW, based on this map the Lebanese have a good claim to the Costa del Sol of Spain. )

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    Agree.

    The most reasonable claims to me are “what the people who live there want?”.

    Where I think it’s fair to bring history in is “homeland”. Who lives on the land and depends upon it? Whose homeland is this historically? Who are the people who can not leave, because this is their homeland and they do not have someplace else to go? A right of self-determination for you is legitimate. But there is no right to the other guy nor his stuff, his turf.

    For instance, I consider the claims of say British people in say Yorkshire to be far superior to the Pakis claims. The Pakis are relative newcomers and if they really want to practice their religion, norms, culture … there’s a nation for them to do that in–Pakistan. OTOH for the native Yorkshiremen–real ones, not the newspaper name for a Paki rapist–there is no other place.

    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.

    Getting different peoples separated and into more or less their correct nation helped make the post War period more pleasant and peaceful in Europe. And it was the “unsorted” places where trouble tended to flare up.

    I think most of these issues are tractable and can be worked out by people of good faith. “Good faith” and acceptance of the legitimacy of other people’s legitimate interests … often in short supply.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @CCG
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing stops the Ulstermen from moving to Scotland. They'll be far more welcome there than the usual vibrant immigrants to the UK, and their Presbyterian Church needs the members.

    Replies: @clifford brown

  141. @Moses
    My mother always told us we look White, but we're not. She was adamant that we're Jewish, not White.

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European "White" family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Or ask Mike Wallace. He knows.

    https://youtu.be/L5LuoXjcCtI?t=37

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Richard B, @NOTA

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European “White” family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Jews can believe whatever they want.

    However DNA tests already revealed that Ashkenazi are European/Semite hybrids and in America they become more Ameri-mutt with each generation. I always thought that was pretty obvious but there have been both Jews and Christians that seemed to think they had somehow preserved their DNA since leaving Israel. It was supposed to be “by chance” that Russian Jews had lighter skin than say Spanish Jews. Kind of a duh like how it is “by chance” that so many Black leaders are mulattoes. Right.

    Old news in fact:
    https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

    • Agree: ic1000
  142. @Arclight
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.

    Viscerally appealing.

    But the simple solution is separation.

    In this particular case it’s obvious that this is a next of parasites–feeding off productive Americans directly and indirectly in a variety of ways.

    But the overall situation is quite straightforward, we have a nation–“America”–and some sort of kludgy anti-nation–“Rainbow”–unfortunately existing in some partially overlapping geographic territories. I claim that at root the Rainbow people are parasites on the vast material production of the American people. But even if one disputes this analysis, the point still remains: Self determination:

    The Rainbows have the right to be Rainbows. But what they do not have the right to do dictate how Americans think, behave, live, and govern ourselves nor that we have to give them our stuff.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @AnotherDad

    The conference is for people whose whole career is stirring up tribal hatreds. They are paid to do this in what's pretty-much the best-functioning, most tolerant highly diverse society in the world. It's like paying a bunch of guys to run around in Intel's most advanced chip fab tossing around handfuls of dirt.

    The conference is guaranteed to be a nest of snakes--that's the job. Seeing accusations of racism and bias and microaggressions break out there is less surprising than seeing fistfights break out at a biker bar.

    Replies: @ic1000

  143. @Rob McX
    @Buzz Mohawk

    When someone spoke of "Romania" in the Middle Ages, they meant the Byzantine Empire. Even though it was centred in Greece and Asia Minor, it was always viewed as Rome's successor. To this day, ethnic Greeks in Turkey are known as Rumlar (Romans).

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Diversity Heretic

    The land in Turkey around and west of Istanbul (Constantinople) is still known as Rumelia, the land of the Romans.

  144. @HammerJack
    @John Johnson

    Extrapolating from existing trends, within a few years the iSteve comment threads will be all about jews talking to other jews about who should and who shouldn't be permitted to comment here.

    There will be a few asians trying to interrupt and object, but they will be swatted down like the semi-white-adjacent creatures they are.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Extrapolating from existing trends, within a few years the iSteve comment threads will be all about jews talking to other jews about who should and who shouldn’t be permitted to comment here

    Well I get called a Jew all the time for being against the war so I wouldn't notice a difference.

    Putin openly sells Israel their oil and is trying to lock in Russian Jews but I get called Hasbara troll for being against a war where non-Jews are the victims.

    Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it and deny all the facts in front of you. Which is what Anglin and Pepe's followers do with any contradictory information.

    The establishment believes that race must not exist and the Jew blamers believe that Putin must be on our side. Both have no intent of examining reality before making conclusions.

  145. Hmm, why did this take so long to surface?

    Female Muslim students call for increased accommodations in SU pools

    Syracuse University student Hawa Omar never learned how to swim. When Omar arrived at SU, she was excited to learn, but quickly discovered The Barnes Center at the Arch’s pool is not accessible to Muslim women like herself.

    “I’m not able to exercise. I’m not able to have fun in the pool, or even learn how to swim,” Omar said. “As Muslims we have to cover, and when we’re in a swimming pool, obviously we’re not covering, so there can’t be any men.”

    Covering, or maintaining modest dress for religious reasons, is at best uncomfortable and at worst impossible for Muslim women who choose to cover their bodies when they’re using Barnes Center facilities, such as the pool. Muslim students told The Daily Orange that SU lacks proper accommodations for them, especially in gyms and pools ……..

    https://dailyorange.com/2022/09/female-muslim-students-barnes-center-pool-accessibility-expansion/

  146. @AndrewR
    @Arclight

    For every white supremacist shooting like Charleston or Buffalo, literally thousands of blacks are killed by other blacks. And anti-white terrorism is completely swept under the rug by the regime and the ministry of propaganda (uh... I mean our Free and Independent Press)

    One upside is that anti-white whites often get hoisted by their own petards. The black Fresno terrorist who targeted whites ended up killing a guy whose Facebook profile photo was of Richard Spencer getting sucker punched with a text overlay saying "punch nazis"

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I have to laugh when I see media reporting of the “protests in solidarity” with black victims of white supremacy. Half of these rioting and looting blacks would happily have killed George Floyd themselves if he’d dissed them on Facebook or cut them short weight on a $50 weed deal.

    • Agree: AndrewR
  147. @Polistra
    @James Speaks

    What do you call a female hitler anyway? Hitlerette?

    Replies: @James Speaks

    What do you call a female hitler anyway?

    The wokish response is “Sarah” as in Palin, but in reality,
    Miss Compasionate of Martha’s Vineyard would be quite the dictator. A.K.A.
    The Victorious Vulva
    The Crocus most Cruel
    Benevolent Bitchmaster
    Pocohontas

    • Agree: René Fries
  148. @Ralph L
    13 Keynote speakers. If everyone is special, no one is happy.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    They should have given out more participation awards.

  149. @prime noticer
    as the only yinzer here, i can confirm, this was just the usual (people) doing the usual thing. it wasn't some broader coalition looking to address race relations in general. i mean, it almost never is anyway, but particularly not in this case. this event was pure Biden agenda stuff. for them, the biggest threat to Our Democracy is the people who created the country. i laughed out loud when they showed some of the event on television. stop hate by getting US government agencies to crush europeans even more. that will work.

    but i guess they can't avoid the circular firing squad no matter what. adding people from India to the mix will increase the friendly fire.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    as the only yinzer here…

    Thanks, I’ve just learned a new word.

  150. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    The Greeks had colonies all over the Black Sea coast since ancient time (the 6th century BC):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Ancient_colonies.PNG

    (Greeks in blue, Phoenicians in red)

    Although you can see that the Greeks, being a maritime people and not super numerous (nor interested in ruling over others) mostly kept to a thin coastal strip, as if the white conquest of N. America had stopped in 1700.

    A handful of Greek speakers persisted in Ukraine until modern times although they were much battered by the tides of history.

    (BTW, based on this map the Lebanese have a good claim to the Costa del Sol of Spain. )

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Buzz Mohawk

    Thank you, once again, Captain Obvious. I agree, and there is nothing in my comment that would indicate that I do not.

    I especially agree with what you say here:

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    Now do Palestine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Let's take the very reasonable things AD said about Northern Ireland and apply them to Palestine:


    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.
     
    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Buzz Mohawk, @clifford brown

  151. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Just give the Ukraine stuff a rest. If US hegemony is looking very threadbare, then Russian hegemony is in complete tatters. Even their "inseparable friends" the Chinese are edging away. Success has a thousand fathers and failure is an orphan. And Putin and his war has been a failure no matter how much copium you take.

    As for the Russians maintaining escalatory dominance, well they sure are trying but maybe their best is not good enough. The Russian economy is a fraction of the size of NATO's and they have major technological gaps (Russian fighter pilots fly with Garmin GPS units taped to their windshields). You might have said that Ireland in 1920 was a core British interest (Ireland was ruled by the UK for a LOT longer than Ukraine was ever ruled by Russia) but at some point the game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid of Putin. It's worth it to our leaders (if not to you) because maintaining a position as sole remaining superpower has benefits in their opinion and because we (unlike Russia) are not paying the price in blood (same reason the Russians supported N. Vietnam) . It's win-win for the US - even if Putin "wins" the war he has already lost. Putin resisted mobilization up until now because he knows that drafting the sons of Russia elites has the same potential to shatter Russian society that Vietnam had on America. He may think that he has Russia locked down enough that he can withstand the backlash but dictatorships are brittle - ask Ceaușescu.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @ic1000

    > …game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid…

    Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy is fine for playing in the Unz.com sandbox.

    Not so great when it’s the work product of Foggy Bottom, the Pentagon, the Uniparty, and the NYT/WaPo newsroom.

    Lives being at stake etc. etc. Including my family’s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ic1000

    You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. If the alternative to "Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy" is that you allow petty dictators to do whatever the hell they want in their backyard, pretty soon YOUR backyard will be their backyard. If you don't bring the Risk game to them, they will bring it to you.

    Putin made no secret that this was not just about Ukraine - he wants to restore the USSR to its moment of peak glory circa 1945 - thus all the dancing around in WWII costumes and singing Katyusha. A painless sanitized victory, without all the Russian suffering let alone that of other peoples. Success breeds success - if the Russian tanks could roll to Kiev in 3 days then why not roll onto Vilnius in another 3 and Warsaw in another 3 after that? Ask the people in the Baltics, Poland, etc. whether they would like to roll back the clock.

    And defeat breeds defeat - this is especially true in Russia. If Russia's defeat in Ukraine means the end of the Putin regime, that's a double victory.

    Replies: @ic1000

  152. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Thank you, once again, Captain Obvious. I agree, and there is nothing in my comment that would indicate that I do not.

    I especially agree with what you say here:


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    Now do Palestine.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Let’s take the very reasonable things AD said about Northern Ireland and apply them to Palestine:

    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.

    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jack D


    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.
     
    Yeah, Israel has accepted its own 'solution' which gives itself total primacy and dominion over all of the Palestinians. Tiny, fragmented Bantustans for the untermenschen. Control of water, power, food, etc all held by Israel. Along with occasional massacres of course. What's with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    You did it again. What you just wrote is true (who really runs Hamas is another question) but it doesn't approach the point of my request of you, which was:

    Now do Palestine.

    This concerns your statement:


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    You pointed out to Moses:

    ... the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture...
     
    Your justification for Israel's "Jewish" claim on Palestine therefore has to be simply the realpolitik contained in your first statement above, and you would be correct in the sense that they have possessed countrywide-land land there since the 1940s and captured more since.

    Now do you agree that it is a fantasy, disingenuous propaganda played on the ignorant, for Jews and Israelis to both tacitly and explicitly make historical claim to land in Palestine based on their Biblical stories? Israel is not the Jews' homeland; it is a place on the map, and as you say, "maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims."

    Bottom line: Is this little place on the map worth the United States of America?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @clifford brown
    @Jack D


    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.
     
    Do you have a map of this two state solution Israel allegedly accepted? I would love to see it. I know a few Israelis of a more zionist disposition who would not agree with your statement.

    Also, we have to define this pesky term"state". Does the Palestinian "state" control its own borders? Is this "state" contiguous or is it broken up into dozens of different disconnected territories? If it is the latter, then there is no two state solution. I am not claiming I know the solution, just that this rhetoric seems a little empty.

    And you of course know that Israel does not negotiate openly with Hamas so Hamas' opinion does not really matter.

    Based on your theories of state sovereignty that you endorse elsewhere, I assume the sovereign state of Palestine could form a military alliance with Iran and place Iranian nuclear missiles in Hebron. Or do you believe that would infringe upon Israel's sphere of influence?
  153. @WJ
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Russiagate was the Democrat version of the Birther scandal. A ridiculous hoax that was not at all believable but it sold well to the mouth breathing portion of the Democratic party. Schiff, Shumer, Pelosi .... etc. were like " can you believe that they believe this stuff"? I am sure they were pleasantly surprised that the non elite dems, bought into it. And then there was the pee pee tape which took it to a whole new level of tawdry silliness. Our media is composed of 13 year old girls apparently. When I went to school, the dregs went to J school so I suppose that makes sense.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Not really. The birther business was instigated more than anyone by Dr. Orly Taitz, who I don’t believe had any previous involvements. The one politician who got involve was the contrivedly outre Joe Arpaio.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    It was a while ago, but it seemed like obvious opportunism at the time Trump latched onto it. Crediting it to him makes as much sense as saying Obama really masterminded it for “stray voltage” reasons (even an old master like Donnie learned something about SV from the Obama White House).

    I think commenters who didn’t grow up in NYC or California are ignorant of the sheer quantity of knee-jerk lefties, more than enough to support a menu of cable talk channels; before those existed, the non-cable channels were pretty indulgent of the preachy style of professors and “wonks” who just migrated to cable. While not necessarily low-info these ground-level types devote like 10 minutes a year to analyzing political brinksmanship, they just know which team they like. Yes, there is a Dunning-Kruger Effect, in that there is no social cost to being an airhead lib in white-collar/glam professions and hasn’t been for the better part of a century. Like Charles Murray’s footnote about “Source: any Academy Awards broadcast”

  154. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > ...game is not worth the candle and if the US can raise the level of pain then at some point Putin may throw in the towel or someone in Russia will get rid...

    Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy is fine for playing in the Unz.com sandbox.

    Not so great when it's the work product of Foggy Bottom, the Pentagon, the Uniparty, and the NYT/WaPo newsroom.

    Lives being at stake etc. etc. Including my family's.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. If the alternative to “Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy” is that you allow petty dictators to do whatever the hell they want in their backyard, pretty soon YOUR backyard will be their backyard. If you don’t bring the Risk game to them, they will bring it to you.

    Putin made no secret that this was not just about Ukraine – he wants to restore the USSR to its moment of peak glory circa 1945 – thus all the dancing around in WWII costumes and singing Katyusha. A painless sanitized victory, without all the Russian suffering let alone that of other peoples. Success breeds success – if the Russian tanks could roll to Kiev in 3 days then why not roll onto Vilnius in another 3 and Warsaw in another 3 after that? Ask the people in the Baltics, Poland, etc. whether they would like to roll back the clock.

    And defeat breeds defeat – this is especially true in Russia. If Russia’s defeat in Ukraine means the end of the Putin regime, that’s a double victory.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

    George Kennan knew that before you told him; John Mearsheimer as well. For that matter, so do I.

    For what (little) it's worth, I favor a Ukrainian win over a Russian one. But this war is already a loss for both contestants. It gets worse for both as the casualties mount, except more so for the smaller country with the less-favorable demographics and economy. No volume of anti-Saddam -- sorry, anti-Putin -- jingoism changes that.

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history's dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

  155. @I, Libertine
    @Thulean Friend

    If I were to question any of my second-generation Indian co-workers or acquaintances about the caste to which they belong, what kind of a reaction would I get?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If I were to question any of my second-generation Indian co-workers or acquaintances about the caste to which they belong, what kind of a reaction would I get?

    Fired

    • LOL: bomag
  156. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    But which period are you talking about? At some point they started locking them in after realizing how many scientists and doctors they were losing to Israel. In 1972 they put a massive "exit tax" on them and Jewish emigration dropped.

    Ironically Putin is currently trying to lock in his Jews while his cheerleading bloggers at Unz like Anglin depict him as in some epic battle with Jews.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-moves-to-block-russian-jews-from-immigrating-to-israel/ar-AAZedGJ

    Putin: NOOOO don't leave Jews, we need our Jewish doctors to care for the wounded!!!
    Anglin: Yep. He's going after the Jews. My Hitler 2.0 dreams will come true even if they only exist in my head.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Art Deco

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It’s a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It’s a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    It's actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas. In pre-WW2 Poland you could pretty much expect a Jewish physician in Warsaw. In fact the Nazis made use of them in field hospitals.

    Losing even a dozen surgeons in a city like Moscow is a very big deal, especially during a war.

    Why else is Putin locking them in? He went after that Jewish emigration organization after the Russians had taken a lot of casualties. It wasn't related to the draft.

    The USSR did this before. They locked in Jews after noticing how many doctors and scientists they were losing to Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  157. “The Eradicate Hate biz is a highly competitive one.“

    As is the pro-white vs anti-white cause. Where are you on the leaderboard, Me. Sailer? Just make sure you openly and repeatedly admit the J question unlike your boy Jared Taylor. At least you’re not married to an Asian like Derbyshire. That’s bad white behavior. Got to make sure you mate with your own kind.

  158. @Charles Pewitt
    Mestizo Spaniard Pedro Gonzalez stays.

    Dan McLaughlin goes.

    That's more of my immigration/deportation policy.

    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1574207572193808384?s=20&t=d7mBY1OiEXdZ8U7e15vSmA

    https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1574208053603360768?s=20&t=d7mBY1OiEXdZ8U7e15vSmA

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Just to point out that McLaughlin is a lapsed lawyer on the patronage of the people now financing National Review (his current institutional address). His complex of views is unusual among street-level Republicans. He himself is not an influential personage and he has little or nothing in the way of a reader constituency. One of the few people who pays attention to him is the blogger ‘Ace of Spades’, and then only to deride him.

  159. @Moses
    My mother always told us we look White, but we're not. She was adamant that we're Jewish, not White.

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European "White" family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Or ask Mike Wallace. He knows.

    https://youtu.be/L5LuoXjcCtI?t=37

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Richard B, @NOTA

    You know the old saying about Jews – no not that one. I mean “two Jews, three opinions”.

    AFAIK, no one appointed Mike Wallace (who is dead anyway) the spokesman for the Jews. It sounded to me like he was just trying to sound provocative and on another day might have said the opposite if it suited him on that day.

    As for rabbis, what kind of rabbis? Unmixed Semitic heritage is not to my knowledge a point of theology for any Jewish sect. There are rabbinic rules concerning conversion and “who is a Jew” and so on but none of them demand unmixed racial heritage to the beginning of time – you are getting Jews mixed up with Nazis. And Reform Rabbis disagree with Orthodox Rabbis regarding just about everything. Reform Rabbis don’t even think that Moses actually existed – he is some sort of invented amalgam or literary hero from a work of fiction called the Bible.

    In any case, as JJ says, nothing that Mike Wallace and “the rabbis” say can change the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture, sort of the mirror image of Mexicans. Mexicans are Indio in the matrilineal line and white in the paternal line, while among Jews, the women are the “white” half.

    This seemingly contradicts Jewish custom which holds that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child (on the grounds that you can never REALLY know who a kid’s father is) but not really because conversion is recognized by Judaism and was even more so in the past before the Church and Islam beat proselytization out of the Jews. In fact this is one of the ironies of anti-Semitism – OTOH, anti-Semites abhor that Jews are a closed group but OTOH they are the ones that closed it in the first place.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    In any case, as JJ says, nothing that Mike Wallace and “the rabbis” say can change the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture, sort of the mirror image of Mexicans. Mexicans are Indio in the matrilineal line and white in the paternal line, while among Jews, the women are the “white” half.

    Yes and American Jews have high rates of out marriage from what were already hybrid genes. They came to America as part European and their women have been sleeping with hunky gentiles even though they are told not to as children. So even calling them half White is being nice about it. They are really Slavic/Amerimutts with a dash of Semite blood. We can all pretend that DNA doesn't exist but it is still there.

    Interestingly there were Jews that opposed those DNA studies on the grounds of being anti-religious.

    This seemingly contradicts Jewish custom which holds that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child (on the grounds that you can never REALLY know who a kid’s father is)

    That always made me snicker. I saw it as more of a license to cuck.

    Mummy can bang a negro and the resulting kid can be a self-declared atheist and still be a full Jew. That is actually Eric Andre. Kind of doubt the average rabbi wants to recognize him.

    anti-Semites abhor that Jews are a closed group but OTOH they are the ones that closed it in the first place.

    Well I think the bigger issue is that they really don't pay attention to the fact that non-Orthodox US and European Jews aren't very good at being a closed group. They project their ideals of racial inclusivity onto Jews and yet Jews are admonished by their elders for not dating in the tribe. I remember reading this NY article on what it was like for Jewish women to date Jewish men. Sounded pretty awful. They basically had to pick an accountant named Morty and live with it. Sounds like they have more guilt issues than Whites. Not surprised that so many break the rules and marry whomever.

  160. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It's a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It’s a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    It’s actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas. In pre-WW2 Poland you could pretty much expect a Jewish physician in Warsaw. In fact the Nazis made use of them in field hospitals.

    Losing even a dozen surgeons in a city like Moscow is a very big deal, especially during a war.

    Why else is Putin locking them in? He went after that Jewish emigration organization after the Russians had taken a lot of casualties. It wasn’t related to the draft.

    The USSR did this before. They locked in Jews after noticing how many doctors and scientists they were losing to Israel.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    It’s actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas.

    They're 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they'd still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

  161. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Let's take the very reasonable things AD said about Northern Ireland and apply them to Palestine:


    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.
     
    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Buzz Mohawk, @clifford brown

    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Yeah, Israel has accepted its own ‘solution’ which gives itself total primacy and dominion over all of the Palestinians. Tiny, fragmented Bantustans for the untermenschen. Control of water, power, food, etc all held by Israel. Along with occasional massacres of course. What’s with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @HammerJack


    What’s with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?
     
    97% of Arabs are not Paleestinian. And that's using a high count for the latter, including the entirety of the diaspora.

    As for any "two-state" solution, which one of these states will be Christian?
    , @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008. He turned it down. They also never made a counter offer in 2000, just started a campaign of violence. Self-government isn't the issue for Arab bosses or most of the Arab public on the West Bank or in Gaza. The issue is that the Jews are not dead.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  162. @Jack D
    @Moses

    You know the old saying about Jews - no not that one. I mean "two Jews, three opinions".

    AFAIK, no one appointed Mike Wallace (who is dead anyway) the spokesman for the Jews. It sounded to me like he was just trying to sound provocative and on another day might have said the opposite if it suited him on that day.

    As for rabbis, what kind of rabbis? Unmixed Semitic heritage is not to my knowledge a point of theology for any Jewish sect. There are rabbinic rules concerning conversion and "who is a Jew" and so on but none of them demand unmixed racial heritage to the beginning of time - you are getting Jews mixed up with Nazis. And Reform Rabbis disagree with Orthodox Rabbis regarding just about everything. Reform Rabbis don't even think that Moses actually existed - he is some sort of invented amalgam or literary hero from a work of fiction called the Bible.

    In any case, as JJ says, nothing that Mike Wallace and "the rabbis" say can change the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture, sort of the mirror image of Mexicans. Mexicans are Indio in the matrilineal line and white in the paternal line, while among Jews, the women are the "white" half.

    This seemingly contradicts Jewish custom which holds that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child (on the grounds that you can never REALLY know who a kid's father is) but not really because conversion is recognized by Judaism and was even more so in the past before the Church and Islam beat proselytization out of the Jews. In fact this is one of the ironies of anti-Semitism - OTOH, anti-Semites abhor that Jews are a closed group but OTOH they are the ones that closed it in the first place.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In any case, as JJ says, nothing that Mike Wallace and “the rabbis” say can change the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture, sort of the mirror image of Mexicans. Mexicans are Indio in the matrilineal line and white in the paternal line, while among Jews, the women are the “white” half.

    Yes and American Jews have high rates of out marriage from what were already hybrid genes. They came to America as part European and their women have been sleeping with hunky gentiles even though they are told not to as children. So even calling them half White is being nice about it. They are really Slavic/Amerimutts with a dash of Semite blood. We can all pretend that DNA doesn’t exist but it is still there.

    Interestingly there were Jews that opposed those DNA studies on the grounds of being anti-religious.

    This seemingly contradicts Jewish custom which holds that the religion of the mother determines the religion of the child (on the grounds that you can never REALLY know who a kid’s father is)

    That always made me snicker. I saw it as more of a license to cuck.

    Mummy can bang a negro and the resulting kid can be a self-declared atheist and still be a full Jew. That is actually Eric Andre. Kind of doubt the average rabbi wants to recognize him.

    anti-Semites abhor that Jews are a closed group but OTOH they are the ones that closed it in the first place.

    Well I think the bigger issue is that they really don’t pay attention to the fact that non-Orthodox US and European Jews aren’t very good at being a closed group. They project their ideals of racial inclusivity onto Jews and yet Jews are admonished by their elders for not dating in the tribe. I remember reading this NY article on what it was like for Jewish women to date Jewish men. Sounded pretty awful. They basically had to pick an accountant named Morty and live with it. Sounds like they have more guilt issues than Whites. Not surprised that so many break the rules and marry whomever.

  163. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Let's take the very reasonable things AD said about Northern Ireland and apply them to Palestine:


    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.
     
    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Buzz Mohawk, @clifford brown

    You did it again. What you just wrote is true (who really runs Hamas is another question) but it doesn’t approach the point of my request of you, which was:

    Now do Palestine.

    This concerns your statement:

    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.

    You pointed out to Moses:

    … the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture…

    Your justification for Israel’s “Jewish” claim on Palestine therefore has to be simply the realpolitik contained in your first statement above, and you would be correct in the sense that they have possessed countrywide-land land there since the 1940s and captured more since.

    Now do you agree that it is a fantasy, disingenuous propaganda played on the ignorant, for Jews and Israelis to both tacitly and explicitly make historical claim to land in Palestine based on their Biblical stories? Israel is not the Jews’ homeland; it is a place on the map, and as you say, “maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.”

    Bottom line: Is this little place on the map worth the United States of America?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sure - give the Jews another homeland (without any pesky natives) and they can leave Palestine to the Arabs. I suggest California or maybe Florida. But what you can't do is tell the Jews that there is nowhere on earth that they can call their own, especially not after what happened in Europe in the 20th century. Like Blache Dubois found out, depending on the kindness of strangers may be hazardous to your health.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  164. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    You did it again. What you just wrote is true (who really runs Hamas is another question) but it doesn't approach the point of my request of you, which was:

    Now do Palestine.

    This concerns your statement:


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    You pointed out to Moses:

    ... the reality written in our genes, which is that Ashkenazi Jews are European/non-Euro mixture...
     
    Your justification for Israel's "Jewish" claim on Palestine therefore has to be simply the realpolitik contained in your first statement above, and you would be correct in the sense that they have possessed countrywide-land land there since the 1940s and captured more since.

    Now do you agree that it is a fantasy, disingenuous propaganda played on the ignorant, for Jews and Israelis to both tacitly and explicitly make historical claim to land in Palestine based on their Biblical stories? Israel is not the Jews' homeland; it is a place on the map, and as you say, "maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims."

    Bottom line: Is this little place on the map worth the United States of America?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sure – give the Jews another homeland (without any pesky natives) and they can leave Palestine to the Arabs. I suggest California or maybe Florida. But what you can’t do is tell the Jews that there is nowhere on earth that they can call their own, especially not after what happened in Europe in the 20th century. Like Blache Dubois found out, depending on the kindness of strangers may be hazardous to your health.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Jack D

    Apparently what you can do is tell everyone else of European extraction that there is nowhere on earth that they can call their own.

  165. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    The problem with basing modern political claims on historical maps is that maps are ever shifting and can only capture a snapshot in time. I can always show you a map from a different date that favors another set of claims.
     
    Agree.

    The most reasonable claims to me are "what the people who live there want?".

    Where I think it's fair to bring history in is "homeland". Who lives on the land and depends upon it? Whose homeland is this historically? Who are the people who can not leave, because this is their homeland and they do not have someplace else to go? A right of self-determination for you is legitimate. But there is no right to the other guy nor his stuff, his turf.

    For instance, I consider the claims of say British people in say Yorkshire to be far superior to the Pakis claims. The Pakis are relative newcomers and if they really want to practice their religion, norms, culture ... there's a nation for them to do that in--Pakistan. OTOH for the native Yorkshiremen--real ones, not the newspaper name for a Paki rapist--there is no other place.

    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it's been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.

    Getting different peoples separated and into more or less their correct nation helped make the post War period more pleasant and peaceful in Europe. And it was the "unsorted" places where trouble tended to flare up.

    I think most of these issues are tractable and can be worked out by people of good faith. "Good faith" and acceptance of the legitimacy of other people's legitimate interests ... often in short supply.

    Replies: @CCG

    Nothing stops the Ulstermen from moving to Scotland. They’ll be far more welcome there than the usual vibrant immigrants to the UK, and their Presbyterian Church needs the members.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @CCG

    Protestant out migration from Northern Ireland, especially of university educated Protestants, has impacted the country's future.

  166. @Jack D
    @ic1000

    You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. If the alternative to "Reckless and ignorant Risk-centric foreign policy" is that you allow petty dictators to do whatever the hell they want in their backyard, pretty soon YOUR backyard will be their backyard. If you don't bring the Risk game to them, they will bring it to you.

    Putin made no secret that this was not just about Ukraine - he wants to restore the USSR to its moment of peak glory circa 1945 - thus all the dancing around in WWII costumes and singing Katyusha. A painless sanitized victory, without all the Russian suffering let alone that of other peoples. Success breeds success - if the Russian tanks could roll to Kiev in 3 days then why not roll onto Vilnius in another 3 and Warsaw in another 3 after that? Ask the people in the Baltics, Poland, etc. whether they would like to roll back the clock.

    And defeat breeds defeat - this is especially true in Russia. If Russia's defeat in Ukraine means the end of the Putin regime, that's a double victory.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

    George Kennan knew that before you told him; John Mearsheimer as well. For that matter, so do I.

    For what (little) it’s worth, I favor a Ukrainian win over a Russian one. But this war is already a loss for both contestants. It gets worse for both as the casualties mount, except more so for the smaller country with the less-favorable demographics and economy. No volume of anti-Saddam — sorry, anti-Putin — jingoism changes that.

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history’s dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history’s dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    No one in Russia or Ukraine gives a shit about Nuland, Blinken or Austin. If anyone are pawns on a chessboard - it is those three. Both Russians and Ukrainians are clever people who have survived a lot of shit for a very long time. Foreigners don't manipulate them, they manipulate foreigners. The hostility between the two sides has a long history, and many proximate causes. NATO enlargement is far, far down the list.

    Replies: @Jack D

  167. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sure - give the Jews another homeland (without any pesky natives) and they can leave Palestine to the Arabs. I suggest California or maybe Florida. But what you can't do is tell the Jews that there is nowhere on earth that they can call their own, especially not after what happened in Europe in the 20th century. Like Blache Dubois found out, depending on the kindness of strangers may be hazardous to your health.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Apparently what you can do is tell everyone else of European extraction that there is nowhere on earth that they can call their own.

  168. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Rob McX

    It would be nice if we had opposition like this Italian lady. Blumpft! did nothing whilst white and black joined together to shitcan cities during George Floyd's Summer of Joy. Blumpft! was taking notes from Mossad sayanim Jared and Ivanka who worked to subvert the best Blumpft! policies.

    The Republicans? Mostly a sad and weaselly collection of impotent grifters overly concerned with corporate tax cuts and abortion. There are a few promising youngsters in the GOP and conservative commentariat, but the DC boomers are essentially spaghetti string mRNA blood clots in the body politic.

    DeSantis is making the right moves and identifying the political and cultural enemies of autonomy and freedom. But can he speak Italian?

    Replies: @CCG

    I think he can speak Italian (or learn to speak it), all his eight great-grandparents immigrated to the USA from Italy.
    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/columns/2020/03/24/cerabino-florida-gov-desantis-needs-to-start-acting-like-italian-mayor/112252536/

  169. @Moses
    My mother always told us we look White, but we're not. She was adamant that we're Jewish, not White.

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European "White" family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Or ask Mike Wallace. He knows.

    https://youtu.be/L5LuoXjcCtI?t=37

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Richard B, @NOTA

    “How are we going to get rid of racism?”

    As if Black History month is going to get rid of a word whose meaning changes whenever the latest shakedown craze comes along.

    But really, the best part of the interview is that Wallace inadvertently let the cat out of the bag – twice.

  170. @Moses
    My mother always told us we look White, but we're not. She was adamant that we're Jewish, not White.

    Ask any Rabbi if we Jews are share genes and heritage with the European "White" family. Go ahead. Ask. Hilarity will ensue.

    Or ask Mike Wallace. He knows.

    https://youtu.be/L5LuoXjcCtI?t=37

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Jack D, @Richard B, @NOTA

    I think DNA evidence says that Ashkenazi Jews are about an even mix of Hebrew men and Italian women, so at least half white.

  171. @AnotherDad
    @Arclight


    If only we could gather up all these people, put them in a burlap sack with a brick in it and chuck them into the nearest river like unwanted kittens.
     
    Viscerally appealing.

    But the simple solution is separation.

    In this particular case it's obvious that this is a next of parasites--feeding off productive Americans directly and indirectly in a variety of ways.

    But the overall situation is quite straightforward, we have a nation--"America"--and some sort of kludgy anti-nation--"Rainbow"--unfortunately existing in some partially overlapping geographic territories. I claim that at root the Rainbow people are parasites on the vast material production of the American people. But even if one disputes this analysis, the point still remains: Self determination:

    The Rainbows have the right to be Rainbows. But what they do not have the right to do dictate how Americans think, behave, live, and govern ourselves nor that we have to give them our stuff.

    Replies: @NOTA

    The conference is for people whose whole career is stirring up tribal hatreds. They are paid to do this in what’s pretty-much the best-functioning, most tolerant highly diverse society in the world. It’s like paying a bunch of guys to run around in Intel’s most advanced chip fab tossing around handfuls of dirt.

    The conference is guaranteed to be a nest of snakes–that’s the job. Seeing accusations of racism and bias and microaggressions break out there is less surprising than seeing fistfights break out at a biker bar.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @NOTA

    > The conference is for people whose whole career is stirring up tribal hatreds... The conference is guaranteed to be a nest of snakes–that’s the job.

    I would have pressed "Agree," except for the verb tense.

    > They are paid to do this in what had been pretty-much the best-functioning, most tolerant highly diverse society in the world. It’s like you continued to pay a bunch of all- (and no-) gendered persons to run around in Intel’s most advanced chip fab tossing around handfuls of dirt.

  172. @Jack D
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Let's take the very reasonable things AD said about Northern Ireland and apply them to Palestine:


    In contrast, in Norther Ireland the claims of both Catholics and Protestants are very solid. One could say the Ulster Plantation was a bad idea, but now it’s been long, long baked. So my take is the best idea would be/have been to just fairly separate the people who really want to be in separate nations.
     
    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Buzz Mohawk, @clifford brown

    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.

    Do you have a map of this two state solution Israel allegedly accepted? I would love to see it. I know a few Israelis of a more zionist disposition who would not agree with your statement.

    Also, we have to define this pesky term”state”. Does the Palestinian “state” control its own borders? Is this “state” contiguous or is it broken up into dozens of different disconnected territories? If it is the latter, then there is no two state solution. I am not claiming I know the solution, just that this rhetoric seems a little empty.

    And you of course know that Israel does not negotiate openly with Hamas so Hamas’ opinion does not really matter.

    Based on your theories of state sovereignty that you endorse elsewhere, I assume the sovereign state of Palestine could form a military alliance with Iran and place Iranian nuclear missiles in Hebron. Or do you believe that would infringe upon Israel’s sphere of influence?

  173. @Barnard
    @Jack D

    Lots of past American TV shows had a rather light approach to murder mysteries. Monk was the most recent one I remember, from what I hear, the Hallmark channel has had a couple of different movie series with a similar approach.

    For the standards of British TV this show is almost realistic. Now it wouldn't be surprising if 50% of the cast was non white, they included interracial marriages and made a well known British historical figure black. The recent remake of All Creatures Great and Small featured an interracial farm couple in the 1930s Yorkshire Dales in the one episode I bothered to watch.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I knew an interracial couple living in a remote moorland house in the Yorkshire dales in the 1960s. I believe the wife was an African midwife.

  174. @HammerJack
    @Jack D


    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.
     
    Yeah, Israel has accepted its own 'solution' which gives itself total primacy and dominion over all of the Palestinians. Tiny, fragmented Bantustans for the untermenschen. Control of water, power, food, etc all held by Israel. Along with occasional massacres of course. What's with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    What’s with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?

    97% of Arabs are not Paleestinian. And that’s using a high count for the latter, including the entirety of the diaspora.

    As for any “two-state” solution, which one of these states will be Christian?

  175. @Liza
    @Jack D

    Who is your favorite Insp. Lestrade? I think that Colin Jeavons has them all beat hands down. Perfect casting.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    Spot on! Also the very best Uriah Heep (David Copperfield, 1966)

    • Thanks: Liza
  176. @Jack D
    @New Dealer

    Putting aside what (you say) the neocons told you, under Soviet law there were good reasons for treating Jews, who were officially considered a separate nationality from Russian (Christians), differently. In a Soviet citizen's internal passport there was a line for "Nationality" and for a Jew this line was filled in as евреи "yevrei" (Hebrew=Jewish).

    https://upsidelab-global.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/word-image-523.jpeg


    For Soviet Jews, this was a double edged sword - OTOH, this meant that they were suspected of being loyal to Israel rather than the USSR. OTOH, while emigration from the Soviet Union (in E. Germany this was called "flight from the Republic") was generally speaking a crime under USSR law, there were certain exceptions, one of which was for "family reunification". Every Jew in Russia had a "cousin" in Israel and if not, the Jewish Agency could invent one for you.

    Ostensibly, every Soviet Jew who left the USSR was moving to Israel. Why are there so many Soviet Jews in the US then? Exit from the USSR was not by direct flight to Israel (USSR and Israel had no diplomatic relations from 1967 when the USSR sponsored Arabs lost the Six Day War until the end of the Soviet Union). Rather, Jews leaving "to be reunited with their cousins in Israel" would take a train to Vienna or fly to Italy. Once they got there they might "change their mind" and seek to immigrate to the US instead.

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    Now I suppose Russian Christians could have invented their own charade, but it would have had to have been a different one than this.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @clifford brown, @New Dealer

    As a multi-ethnic empire going back to the time of the czar, Soviet passports noted several different nationalities and religions. Jews were not singled out in this respect. The Soviet Union was an extremely massive and diverse nation as Russia is today. The Soviet Union had a system of internal passports that restricted travel beyond a citizen’s city or oblast. People in general were subject to travel restrictions.

    This is just anectdotal, but I have known a few Jews who grew up in the Soviet Union who claim to have not been discriminated against for their religion or ethnicity. They acknowledge that everyone was kind of miserable, but they did not feel singled out. This causes dismay among Jewish Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Russia more than a century ago. “You were oppressed!” “No, we weren’t oppressed, we were just miserable like everyone else!” I have witnessed a few arguments on this matter and I lean towards those who actually lived in the Soviet Union.

    Russian Jews of this opinion tend to not be intellectuals, not be religious and a little rough around the edges, but the sentiment is there, especially in the Outer Boroughs. They would argue that antiSemitism was worse after the fall of the Soviet Union that during the Soviet Union. They also tend to be Putin fans although they likely do not say that loudly these days. I also know there are quite a few Russians who reside in Israel who have a soft spot still for Mother Russia.

    I think it is complicated.

    • Agree: René Fries
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @clifford brown

    While it's true that the Russian government treats all of its citizens like shit (and always has, under successive regimes) this is not the kind of égalité that should bring joy to a man's heart. If there are Russian Jews who think so, they are like abused children who think that being beaten by their parents is a sign that they care.

    In any event, it's not true - while overall every nationality was abused, certain ones were singled out for especially bad treatment, including the Jews after the formation of the State of Israel. Great Russians OTOH were the favored nationality.

    For example, efforts were made to keep Jews out of elite academic institutions such as Moscow State University. Since discrimination was illegal under Soviet law, various underhanded means had to be used, such as giving Jewish students "trick questions" on their entrance exams.

    http://www.tanyakhovanova.com/coffins.html

    It sounds like the guys you are referring to were not the kind of guys trying to get into Moscow State University so they would not have been affected by this.

    Also Russia has a form of "face culture" where you do not admit any sort of weakness or defect to strangers. If you are a patriotic Russian (Jew) you are not going to admit to an American that there is anything wrong with Russian society.

    Since we are talking anecdotes here, I know several Russian Jewish families (including one that is related to my wife) where they did not have nice things to say (to say the least) about the way Jews were treated in the Soviet Union.

  177. @CCG
    @AnotherDad

    Nothing stops the Ulstermen from moving to Scotland. They'll be far more welcome there than the usual vibrant immigrants to the UK, and their Presbyterian Church needs the members.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    Protestant out migration from Northern Ireland, especially of university educated Protestants, has impacted the country’s future.

  178. @Jack D
    @New Dealer

    Putting aside what (you say) the neocons told you, under Soviet law there were good reasons for treating Jews, who were officially considered a separate nationality from Russian (Christians), differently. In a Soviet citizen's internal passport there was a line for "Nationality" and for a Jew this line was filled in as евреи "yevrei" (Hebrew=Jewish).

    https://upsidelab-global.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/word-image-523.jpeg


    For Soviet Jews, this was a double edged sword - OTOH, this meant that they were suspected of being loyal to Israel rather than the USSR. OTOH, while emigration from the Soviet Union (in E. Germany this was called "flight from the Republic") was generally speaking a crime under USSR law, there were certain exceptions, one of which was for "family reunification". Every Jew in Russia had a "cousin" in Israel and if not, the Jewish Agency could invent one for you.

    Ostensibly, every Soviet Jew who left the USSR was moving to Israel. Why are there so many Soviet Jews in the US then? Exit from the USSR was not by direct flight to Israel (USSR and Israel had no diplomatic relations from 1967 when the USSR sponsored Arabs lost the Six Day War until the end of the Soviet Union). Rather, Jews leaving "to be reunited with their cousins in Israel" would take a train to Vienna or fly to Italy. Once they got there they might "change their mind" and seek to immigrate to the US instead.

    Now the Soviets were not fooled by this. They knew as much as anyone what was really going. But they had reasons of their own for wanting to be rid of the Jews and if this is what it took to fit within the framework of USSR law, they were willing to go along with the charade.

    Now I suppose Russian Christians could have invented their own charade, but it would have had to have been a different one than this.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @clifford brown, @New Dealer

    I’v tried but I don’t understand the meaning of your comment. What are you getting at? Are you saying that it was tough for the Jews in the USSR, but the Christians had it easy?

    There was certainly a Soviet Jewry movement and some Jews were forbidden to emigrate from the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Jewry_movement It was a big deal for Neocons and for some Jewish lobbyists.

    There was a monstrously oppressive anti-religious movement in the USSR that viciously persecuted all religions, especially Christians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-religious_campaign_during_the_Russian_Civil_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1921%E2%80%931928)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928%E2%80%931941)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1958%E2%80%931964)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1970s%E2%80%931987)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union#Renewal_of_persecution_in_the_1970s

  179. @ic1000
    @Altai

    Perhaps off-topic with respect to the OP, but relevant to your point about the Russia Collusion hoax fusing with the Neocon agenda to set the stage for the war in Ukraine:

    Scott Pelley interviewed Secretary of State Anthony Blinken on Sept. 23rd; it aired last night on CBS' 60 Minutes. Here is the depressing/scary 13-minute video.

    Blinken looks like a Distinguished Official, and his accent and cadence connote deliberation and wisdom. That said, the content of his replies to Pelley suggest a child's view of geopolitics. Blinken's positions would have satisfied an audience of middle school students on a field trip to Foggy Bottom. Perhaps.

    Presumably Blinken knows of the Cuban Missile Crisis, and of Kennedy's determination to de-escalate despite the bellicose urgings of the top military brass. Heck, Blinken probably aced that section of the final exam, back at Harvard.

    But if there are insights like "step carefully when dealing with nuclear adversaries," "don't needlessly provoke Russia in their Near Abroad," or "explore how the conflict could be brought to an end" -- they are absent from this interview.

    Pelley's softball questions may signal his agreement with the Bleed-Russia/Regime-Change position. More subtly, he might have figured that regular Americans would be alarmed by the recklessness and deep ignorance that the President's key advisor put on display.

    When observing the media product that the Cathedral offers to the Outer Party, it's hard to tell such things apart.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Houston 1992, @Bill Jones, @SOL

    Ru Intel probably watching these interviews too.

  180. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @WJ

    Not really. The birther business was instigated more than anyone by Dr. Orly Taitz, who I don't believe had any previous involvements. The one politician who got involve was the contrivedly outre Joe Arpaio.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It was a while ago, but it seemed like obvious opportunism at the time Trump latched onto it. Crediting it to him makes as much sense as saying Obama really masterminded it for “stray voltage” reasons (even an old master like Donnie learned something about SV from the Obama White House).

    I think commenters who didn’t grow up in NYC or California are ignorant of the sheer quantity of knee-jerk lefties, more than enough to support a menu of cable talk channels; before those existed, the non-cable channels were pretty indulgent of the preachy style of professors and “wonks” who just migrated to cable. While not necessarily low-info these ground-level types devote like 10 minutes a year to analyzing political brinksmanship, they just know which team they like. Yes, there is a Dunning-Kruger Effect, in that there is no social cost to being an airhead lib in white-collar/glam professions and hasn’t been for the better part of a century. Like Charles Murray’s footnote about “Source: any Academy Awards broadcast”

  181. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Sister Boniface
     
    Saint Boniface was born in Devon and went to evangelize Germany, one of many (official or unofficial) patrons of countries other than the one in which they were born. Sts Patrick, Piran, and Peter Claver are other examples. Boniface rose to be Archbishop of Mainz.

    Note that the mission of all these men was to be of service to the countries and peoples to which they were sent. Today's migrants migrate with other intentions.


    Britannica writes of St Francis Xavier,


    He is justly credited for his idea that the missionary must adapt to the customs and language of the people he evangelizes, and for his advocation of an educated native clergy—initiatives not always followed by his successors.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Francis-Xavier
     

    Replies: @René Fries

    Saint Boniface

    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @René Fries


    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

     

    It clearly doesn't date from Boniface's day!


    http://www.glasmalerei-ev.net/pages/b9399/b9399_a.jpg


    This St. Bonifatius, hard to believe, is 90 years old.

    Replies: @Jack D, @René Fries

  182. This upper case female Indian stuff has been going on in the white Hispanic movement for about two decades, as far as the workplace and colleges. Lots of upper caste (85 pct European) Hispanics come to the US considering themselves just regular white immigrants, only to learn in about a month, that they are downtrodden POC, entitled to affirmative action and other bennies.

    G. Cristina Mora (Making Hispanics), bravely tackled this entire scam in her book.

  183. @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    There are about 200,000 Jews left in Russia. It’s a reasonable wager the medical profession will get along without them

    It's actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas. In pre-WW2 Poland you could pretty much expect a Jewish physician in Warsaw. In fact the Nazis made use of them in field hospitals.

    Losing even a dozen surgeons in a city like Moscow is a very big deal, especially during a war.

    Why else is Putin locking them in? He went after that Jewish emigration organization after the Russians had taken a lot of casualties. It wasn't related to the draft.

    The USSR did this before. They locked in Jews after noticing how many doctors and scientists they were losing to Israel.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas.

    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.
     
    The majority of Soviet physicians were female. Is this still true of Russia? Nearly all Soviet-era doctors would be retired by now.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @John Johnson
    @Art Deco

    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    Of the total population. But that doesn't tell us anything about where they live. In the US they are mostly in LA and NYC. In Slavic countries they have a history of living in urban areas.

    Moscow has 33 hospitals.

    Losing even a dozen surgeons would be a disaster during war time. Then all those hospitals are competing from a limited pool for applicants and most wouldn't have experience with military wounds.

    Hospitals base staff on peacetime levels. You need an increase in staff during war.

    As I said he was trying to lock them in well before the draft. My guess is that he is aware of the history whereby the USSR let Jews leave until they realized how many doctors and scientists they were losing. It was a group Jews that hijacked a plane to escape after the Soviets locked them in.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymshits%E2%80%93Kuznetsov_hijacking_affair

  184. @HammerJack
    @Jack D


    Israel has accepted the two-state solution but Hamas has not.
     
    Yeah, Israel has accepted its own 'solution' which gives itself total primacy and dominion over all of the Palestinians. Tiny, fragmented Bantustans for the untermenschen. Control of water, power, food, etc all held by Israel. Along with occasional massacres of course. What's with those ungrateful a-rabs anyway?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008. He turned it down. They also never made a counter offer in 2000, just started a campaign of violence. Self-government isn’t the issue for Arab bosses or most of the Arab public on the West Bank or in Gaza. The issue is that the Jews are not dead.

    • Agree: epebble
    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Art Deco


    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008.
     
    While that is a popular hasbara talking point, like most hasbara talking points it's not remotely accurate. We're not new here, and you know this as well as I do.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  185. @NOTA
    @AnotherDad

    The conference is for people whose whole career is stirring up tribal hatreds. They are paid to do this in what's pretty-much the best-functioning, most tolerant highly diverse society in the world. It's like paying a bunch of guys to run around in Intel's most advanced chip fab tossing around handfuls of dirt.

    The conference is guaranteed to be a nest of snakes--that's the job. Seeing accusations of racism and bias and microaggressions break out there is less surprising than seeing fistfights break out at a biker bar.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > The conference is for people whose whole career is stirring up tribal hatreds… The conference is guaranteed to be a nest of snakes–that’s the job.

    I would have pressed “Agree,” except for the verb tense.

    > They are paid to do this in what had been pretty-much the best-functioning, most tolerant highly diverse society in the world. It’s like you continued to pay a bunch of all- (and no-) gendered persons to run around in Intel’s most advanced chip fab tossing around handfuls of dirt.

  186. @ic1000
    @Jack D

    > You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

    George Kennan knew that before you told him; John Mearsheimer as well. For that matter, so do I.

    For what (little) it's worth, I favor a Ukrainian win over a Russian one. But this war is already a loss for both contestants. It gets worse for both as the casualties mount, except more so for the smaller country with the less-favorable demographics and economy. No volume of anti-Saddam -- sorry, anti-Putin -- jingoism changes that.

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history's dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history’s dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    No one in Russia or Ukraine gives a shit about Nuland, Blinken or Austin. If anyone are pawns on a chessboard – it is those three. Both Russians and Ukrainians are clever people who have survived a lot of shit for a very long time. Foreigners don’t manipulate them, they manipulate foreigners. The hostility between the two sides has a long history, and many proximate causes. NATO enlargement is far, far down the list.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    It amazes me that some people here take Putin's ever shifting excuses for invading Ukraine at face value. Russians themselves are far too cynical to believe this shit and snicker into their sleeves every time they convince a gullible foreigner that Nuland, NATO, etc. is the actual reason for the invasion rather than a thinly veiled pretext for Putin to accomplish his (Peter the) Great National Project of re-unifying the USSR.

    This is the kind of charade that Russians use until they accomplish their goal and five minutes after they are successful they drop all pretense and if a naïve foreigner brings it up again afterward they look at him like he is a retarded child.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  187. @clifford brown
    @Jack D

    As a multi-ethnic empire going back to the time of the czar, Soviet passports noted several different nationalities and religions. Jews were not singled out in this respect. The Soviet Union was an extremely massive and diverse nation as Russia is today. The Soviet Union had a system of internal passports that restricted travel beyond a citizen's city or oblast. People in general were subject to travel restrictions.

    This is just anectdotal, but I have known a few Jews who grew up in the Soviet Union who claim to have not been discriminated against for their religion or ethnicity. They acknowledge that everyone was kind of miserable, but they did not feel singled out. This causes dismay among Jewish Americans whose ancestors emigrated from Russia more than a century ago. "You were oppressed!" "No, we weren't oppressed, we were just miserable like everyone else!" I have witnessed a few arguments on this matter and I lean towards those who actually lived in the Soviet Union.

    Russian Jews of this opinion tend to not be intellectuals, not be religious and a little rough around the edges, but the sentiment is there, especially in the Outer Boroughs. They would argue that antiSemitism was worse after the fall of the Soviet Union that during the Soviet Union. They also tend to be Putin fans although they likely do not say that loudly these days. I also know there are quite a few Russians who reside in Israel who have a soft spot still for Mother Russia.

    I think it is complicated.

    Replies: @Jack D

    While it’s true that the Russian government treats all of its citizens like shit (and always has, under successive regimes) this is not the kind of égalité that should bring joy to a man’s heart. If there are Russian Jews who think so, they are like abused children who think that being beaten by their parents is a sign that they care.

    In any event, it’s not true – while overall every nationality was abused, certain ones were singled out for especially bad treatment, including the Jews after the formation of the State of Israel. Great Russians OTOH were the favored nationality.

    For example, efforts were made to keep Jews out of elite academic institutions such as Moscow State University. Since discrimination was illegal under Soviet law, various underhanded means had to be used, such as giving Jewish students “trick questions” on their entrance exams.

    http://www.tanyakhovanova.com/coffins.html

    It sounds like the guys you are referring to were not the kind of guys trying to get into Moscow State University so they would not have been affected by this.

    Also Russia has a form of “face culture” where you do not admit any sort of weakness or defect to strangers. If you are a patriotic Russian (Jew) you are not going to admit to an American that there is anything wrong with Russian society.

    Since we are talking anecdotes here, I know several Russian Jewish families (including one that is related to my wife) where they did not have nice things to say (to say the least) about the way Jews were treated in the Soviet Union.

    • Agree: clifford brown
  188. @Peter Akuleyev
    @ic1000

    In a better world, after the idea of Novorossiya had returned to history’s dustbin, there would be a Reckoning for the Nulands, Blinkens, and Austins who provoked Russia. Let them live out their lives in obscurity, remembered only by the grieving widows, orphans, and parents of the Ukrainians who they used as pieces on their game board.

    No one in Russia or Ukraine gives a shit about Nuland, Blinken or Austin. If anyone are pawns on a chessboard - it is those three. Both Russians and Ukrainians are clever people who have survived a lot of shit for a very long time. Foreigners don't manipulate them, they manipulate foreigners. The hostility between the two sides has a long history, and many proximate causes. NATO enlargement is far, far down the list.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It amazes me that some people here take Putin’s ever shifting excuses for invading Ukraine at face value. Russians themselves are far too cynical to believe this shit and snicker into their sleeves every time they convince a gullible foreigner that Nuland, NATO, etc. is the actual reason for the invasion rather than a thinly veiled pretext for Putin to accomplish his (Peter the) Great National Project of re-unifying the USSR.

    This is the kind of charade that Russians use until they accomplish their goal and five minutes after they are successful they drop all pretense and if a naïve foreigner brings it up again afterward they look at him like he is a retarded child.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Jack D

    How fortunate for Nuland, then, since she and the rest have been salivating over a war in Ukraine for well over a decade. I’ve been listening to an extended family member bang on about this at holidays for years. His job is to play war games and see how many people end up dead after a ‘limited’ nuclear exchange. He loves it, and clearly can’t wait for the real thing. He makes a lot of bread doing this sort of thing.

  189. @Dr. X
    @clifford brown


    Hate and extremism from a Homeland Security/ National Security perspective have become a critical Jewish policy issue since the rise of Trump in a way that I do not think is true for other oppressed minority groups.
     
    Funny how much the Jews hate Orange Hitler, despite the fact that no president ever has been a more subservient bootlicker to Israel...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Means nothing. Nixon famously saved Israel from destruction in 1973. How do Jews feel about him?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Nixon famously saved Israel from destruction in 1973. How do Jews feel about him?

    Egypt and Syria were in no danger of destroying Israel in 1973. They just did not fail spectacularly in the way they had previously.

  190. @René Fries
    @Reg Cæsar

    Saint Boniface

    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

    It clearly doesn’t date from Boniface’s day!

    This St. Bonifatius, hard to believe, is 90 years old.

    • Agree: René Fries
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Bauhaus style is actually over a century old. Not that many churches were built in that style (after Hitler came to power it was out of fashion in Germany again) but this was apparently one of them. Aside from high fashion, one of the appeals of Bauhaus is that it was CHEAP to build at a time when there was not a lot of extra money floating around.

    There were other hideous modern churches built in Europe , mostly to replace ones that had been destroyed in WWI or II:

    Rouen:

    https://frenchmoments.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/St-Joan-of-Arc-Church-2-copyright-French-Moments-1.jpg

    Coventry:

    https://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/cathedrals/newcathedral.jpg

    Etc. Someday future archeologists will mark the decline of our civilization by dating the ruins of these churches.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @John Johnson

    , @René Fries
    @Reg Cæsar

    It clearly doesn’t date from Boniface’s day!

    But Trier-city, being over 2000 years old, still has many monuments dating from before SB. :-)

  191. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    It’s actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas.

    They're 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they'd still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    The majority of Soviet physicians were female. Is this still true of Russia? Nearly all Soviet-era doctors would be retired by now.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know what it's like now, but a lot of those Soviet female "doctors" were more like what we would call "nurse practitioners" in America today. The real doctors (specialists, surgeons, etc.) were mostly male.

    Russians really like to inflate titles - a plumber is a "sanitary engineer" and so on. Everybody and his brother is called an engineer. A lot of Russian "universities" are more like what we would call trade schools in America (0r in the worst case, diploma mills). Russia has a handful of top universities that rank OK (not great) in world ranking systems (their #1 is ranked between 101 and 150 in the Shanghai ranking system) but it goes downhill pretty fast (no others in the top 300) and just because a Russian tells you that he has a degree doesn't mean that he actually has one that is meaningful (or maybe at all).

  192. @Jack D
    @Peter Akuleyev

    It amazes me that some people here take Putin's ever shifting excuses for invading Ukraine at face value. Russians themselves are far too cynical to believe this shit and snicker into their sleeves every time they convince a gullible foreigner that Nuland, NATO, etc. is the actual reason for the invasion rather than a thinly veiled pretext for Putin to accomplish his (Peter the) Great National Project of re-unifying the USSR.

    This is the kind of charade that Russians use until they accomplish their goal and five minutes after they are successful they drop all pretense and if a naïve foreigner brings it up again afterward they look at him like he is a retarded child.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    How fortunate for Nuland, then, since she and the rest have been salivating over a war in Ukraine for well over a decade. I’ve been listening to an extended family member bang on about this at holidays for years. His job is to play war games and see how many people end up dead after a ‘limited’ nuclear exchange. He loves it, and clearly can’t wait for the real thing. He makes a lot of bread doing this sort of thing.

  193. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.
     
    The majority of Soviet physicians were female. Is this still true of Russia? Nearly all Soviet-era doctors would be retired by now.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t know what it’s like now, but a lot of those Soviet female “doctors” were more like what we would call “nurse practitioners” in America today. The real doctors (specialists, surgeons, etc.) were mostly male.

    Russians really like to inflate titles – a plumber is a “sanitary engineer” and so on. Everybody and his brother is called an engineer. A lot of Russian “universities” are more like what we would call trade schools in America (0r in the worst case, diploma mills). Russia has a handful of top universities that rank OK (not great) in world ranking systems (their #1 is ranked between 101 and 150 in the Shanghai ranking system) but it goes downhill pretty fast (no others in the top 300) and just because a Russian tells you that he has a degree doesn’t mean that he actually has one that is meaningful (or maybe at all).

  194. @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008. He turned it down. They also never made a counter offer in 2000, just started a campaign of violence. Self-government isn't the issue for Arab bosses or most of the Arab public on the West Bank or in Gaza. The issue is that the Jews are not dead.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008.

    While that is a popular hasbara talking point, like most hasbara talking points it’s not remotely accurate. We’re not new here, and you know this as well as I do.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @HammerJack

    It is accurate, and inconvenient to your thesis.

  195. @Reg Cæsar
    @René Fries


    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

     

    It clearly doesn't date from Boniface's day!


    http://www.glasmalerei-ev.net/pages/b9399/b9399_a.jpg


    This St. Bonifatius, hard to believe, is 90 years old.

    Replies: @Jack D, @René Fries

    The Bauhaus style is actually over a century old. Not that many churches were built in that style (after Hitler came to power it was out of fashion in Germany again) but this was apparently one of them. Aside from high fashion, one of the appeals of Bauhaus is that it was CHEAP to build at a time when there was not a lot of extra money floating around.

    There were other hideous modern churches built in Europe , mostly to replace ones that had been destroyed in WWI or II:

    Rouen:

    Coventry:

    Etc. Someday future archeologists will mark the decline of our civilization by dating the ruins of these churches.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D

    I can hardly wait until the new re-imagined Notre Dame is finished. /sarc

    , @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Horrible and soulless architecture.

    No need for a war, LA has plenty of post-modern garbage

    https://www.roadarch.com/13/5/basil3.jpg

    https://www.roadarch.com/13/5/uchrist.jpg

    Replies: @Yngvar

  196. FYI: Vidhya Ramalingam’s name comes up in this BBC story about mass shootings.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62683094

    “According to Moonshot, an organisation founded to study and interrupt online threats, Americans who are “consuming extremist or violent content online are 47% more likely than the general public to take up offers of mental health services online”.

    These statistics provide insight into how to reach those considering violence as a way out, Moonshot has said. Vidhya Ramalingam, its chief executive, said that it has got more than 150 people at risk of domestic violent extremism in the US into text-message counselling sessions.”

  197. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Bauhaus style is actually over a century old. Not that many churches were built in that style (after Hitler came to power it was out of fashion in Germany again) but this was apparently one of them. Aside from high fashion, one of the appeals of Bauhaus is that it was CHEAP to build at a time when there was not a lot of extra money floating around.

    There were other hideous modern churches built in Europe , mostly to replace ones that had been destroyed in WWI or II:

    Rouen:

    https://frenchmoments.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/St-Joan-of-Arc-Church-2-copyright-French-Moments-1.jpg

    Coventry:

    https://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/cathedrals/newcathedral.jpg

    Etc. Someday future archeologists will mark the decline of our civilization by dating the ruins of these churches.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @John Johnson

    I can hardly wait until the new re-imagined Notre Dame is finished. /sarc

  198. @Art Deco
    @John Johnson

    It’s actually not a reasonable wager when Jews are overrepresented as physicians and tend to be clustered in urban areas.

    They're 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they'd still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @John Johnson

    They’re 0.13% of the population. Even if they were over represented by a factor of 4, they’d still only account for 0.5% of the population of physicians.

    Of the total population. But that doesn’t tell us anything about where they live. In the US they are mostly in LA and NYC. In Slavic countries they have a history of living in urban areas.

    Moscow has 33 hospitals.

    Losing even a dozen surgeons would be a disaster during war time. Then all those hospitals are competing from a limited pool for applicants and most wouldn’t have experience with military wounds.

    Hospitals base staff on peacetime levels. You need an increase in staff during war.

    As I said he was trying to lock them in well before the draft. My guess is that he is aware of the history whereby the USSR let Jews leave until they realized how many doctors and scientists they were losing. It was a group Jews that hijacked a plane to escape after the Soviets locked them in.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymshits%E2%80%93Kuznetsov_hijacking_affair

  199. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Bauhaus style is actually over a century old. Not that many churches were built in that style (after Hitler came to power it was out of fashion in Germany again) but this was apparently one of them. Aside from high fashion, one of the appeals of Bauhaus is that it was CHEAP to build at a time when there was not a lot of extra money floating around.

    There were other hideous modern churches built in Europe , mostly to replace ones that had been destroyed in WWI or II:

    Rouen:

    https://frenchmoments.eu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/St-Joan-of-Arc-Church-2-copyright-French-Moments-1.jpg

    Coventry:

    https://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/cathedrals/newcathedral.jpg

    Etc. Someday future archeologists will mark the decline of our civilization by dating the ruins of these churches.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @John Johnson

    Horrible and soulless architecture.

    No need for a war, LA has plenty of post-modern garbage

    • Agree: René Fries
    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @John Johnson

    Saw a Danish documentary on TV some years ago. The tag-line was something like "can you believe this money driven, heartless city is a mecca for architecture?" And then one hour about the 'amazing' buildings in Los Angeles. Have to admit, some of it was fascinating. Almost a reason to visit. Almost.

  200. @Anonymous
    @Dr. X

    Means nothing. Nixon famously saved Israel from destruction in 1973. How do Jews feel about him?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Nixon famously saved Israel from destruction in 1973. How do Jews feel about him?

    Egypt and Syria were in no danger of destroying Israel in 1973. They just did not fail spectacularly in the way they had previously.

  201. @HammerJack
    @Art Deco


    Abbas was offered the entire West Bank, Gaza, and the Arab quarters of Jerusalem in 2008.
     
    While that is a popular hasbara talking point, like most hasbara talking points it's not remotely accurate. We're not new here, and you know this as well as I do.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It is accurate, and inconvenient to your thesis.

  202. @Reg Cæsar
    @René Fries


    until the age of 8 I lived in Trier-Kürenz, the parochial church being Sankt Bonifatius.

     

    It clearly doesn't date from Boniface's day!


    http://www.glasmalerei-ev.net/pages/b9399/b9399_a.jpg


    This St. Bonifatius, hard to believe, is 90 years old.

    Replies: @Jack D, @René Fries

    It clearly doesn’t date from Boniface’s day!

    But Trier-city, being over 2000 years old, still has many monuments dating from before SB. 🙂

  203. @John Johnson
    @Jack D

    Horrible and soulless architecture.

    No need for a war, LA has plenty of post-modern garbage

    https://www.roadarch.com/13/5/basil3.jpg

    https://www.roadarch.com/13/5/uchrist.jpg

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Saw a Danish documentary on TV some years ago. The tag-line was something like “can you believe this money driven, heartless city is a mecca for architecture?” And then one hour about the ‘amazing’ buildings in Los Angeles. Have to admit, some of it was fascinating. Almost a reason to visit. Almost.

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