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As a little boy, I decided that the most exciting way for a baseball game to end would be for the hometeam to be down 3 runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded, and then the batter hits a long drive that gets away from the outfielders so he tries to round the bases and is safe on a tag play at the plate to win the game.

The came pretty close to happening in the Minnesota Twins- California Angels game on Saturday night. The Angels were down by two runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth:

Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?

The closest thing I can find is on July 25, 1956, the 21 year old Roberto Clemente came up in the bottom of the ninth down by three with the bases loaded at spacious Forbes Field in Pittsburgh. Clemente hit it over the left fielder’s head and rounded the bases for a 9-8 win.

But that was with no outs. Indeed that caused a controversy because Clemente’s manager was coaching third base when the future legend ran through his stop sign to score the winning run.

 
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  1. Bad call to send him in. I don’t think even a properly-executed hook slide could have avoided the tag.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Diversity Heretic

    An outstanding throw by Carlos Correa from well out in left field.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @John Johnson
    @Diversity Heretic

    Bad call to send him in. I don’t think even a properly-executed hook slide could have avoided the tag.

    Only in restrospect.

    Odds are he would have been left on third base.

    It's better to gamble against a throw to home from outfield if you have a chance. Much better odds than having someone knock you home with two outs in a tight game.

  2. You mean inside-the-park walkoff grand slam.

  3. @Diversity Heretic
    Bad call to send him in. I don't think even a properly-executed hook slide could have avoided the tag.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    An outstanding throw by Carlos Correa from well out in left field.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Steve Sailer

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Steve Sailer

    A great throw, out by a mile.

    With the extra innings rules I think it was a good send, though. That ghost runner has changed the game in a significant way. Not allow.

  4. Here’s an inside-the-park grand slam in Fenway three weeks ago:

    Atrocious outfielding, and not just by the centerfielder. Where was his backup? I would not want to do this at home, and certainly not in Boston.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Reg Cæsar

    The look on the center-fielder's face (wtf is happening?) was priceless.

    He reminds me of the goodwhites today--staring at the sky and wondering why they are getting ^%$#ed and who might be doing it.

    , @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol looks like a career ender there. Wow.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    The final score was 28-5.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

  5. “Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?”

    The inside-the-park requirement cuts the odds down appreciably, since that requires the visitors’ lead to have been exactly three runs. For a standard grand slam, the game could be tied, or the home team could be down by either one, two or three runs. That is on top of the relative rarity of inside-the-park home runs, of course.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.

    Plus, you cannot pass the runner in front of you. Insiders are much easier with no one on base. Not bumper-to-bumper.

    Replies: @D. K.

  6. @D. K.
    "Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?"

    The inside-the-park requirement cuts the odds down appreciably, since that requires the visitors' lead to have been exactly three runs. For a standard grand slam, the game could be tied, or the home team could be down by either one, two or three runs. That is on top of the relative rarity of inside-the-park home runs, of course.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Plus, you cannot pass the runner in front of you. Insiders are much easier with no one on base. Not bumper-to-bumper.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, but with two outs, the baserunners all would be off and running on contact.

  7. @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.

    Plus, you cannot pass the runner in front of you. Insiders are much easier with no one on base. Not bumper-to-bumper.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Yes, but with two outs, the baserunners all would be off and running on contact.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  8. “Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?”

    According to Baseball Almanac, it’s never happened, which is incredible.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @CW Acumen

    Can someone calculate the probability of it? Very simple arithmetic but I don't know where I'd find the stats.

    , @Anon7
    @CW Acumen

    Obviously, the answer to this problem is to make MLB teams play a game every day, no make that a double-header, every day until we get a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam! We can make this happen.

  9. I still call them that as well, but sadly the California Angels haven’t existed since the John McNamara-managed version finished out the 96 season. A young Jim Edmonds played CF and Mr. Tawny Kitaen was their leading pitcher.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    The California Angels would be the best name for the Orange County team, just like Texas Rangers or the Golden State Warriors are good names for suburban teams, especially because there is already a baseball team overlooking downtown Los Angeles.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  10. Not inside the park, but john milner, 1979 off tug mcgraw. August 11, 1979
    I was at this game.

    https://www.bucsdugout.com/platform/amp/2015/8/11/9123409/pennant-race-flashback-august-11-1979

    Milner , a let handed batter pinch hit for RH batter steve nicosia who had gone e 4-4 with a HR. Seems odd, but that LHP McGraw’s beat pitch was a remarkable screwball.

  11. I remember when Mr. Sailer wrote a lot more about sportsball, and MLBoomball in particular. He pretended not to Notice when the baseball was juiced mid-2015, and has since slowly walked off.

    Dolts who think (1) that offense is how many runs are scored and (2) that pitching is all about strikeouts now have what they want. The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Greta Handel

    They are going to ban the shift? Is that correct? Total bullshit, if true.

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Greta Handel

    Greta, You write, "baseball was juiced mid-2015." What does this mean? (I am a baseball ignoramus.) Was there a change in the rules of the game? And was this change made mid-season? What was the change?

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    , @Guest007
    @Greta Handel

    It is hard to argue that the defense is not any good when the shift has lowered the number of singles and baserunners. Baserunning and manufacturing runs was more important in the era of really big multiuse stadiums. In the age of smaller baseball only stadiums where home runs are easier, no team can have a roster of singles hitters. The pitching is better and the fielding is better.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ganderson

    , @Colin Wright
    @Greta Handel

    '...The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.'

    I'd add three other elements -- all not so easily addressed.

    1. The end of the reserve clause. I stopped following the Giants when their starting line up for the new season had one (1) player who'd been there the year before. What am I rooting for here? The corporation? The logo?

    2. Endless pitching changes. They take time, and also, pitchers used to stay in unless and until they started getting shelled. Some guy's doing just fine, and out he goes? That's not baseball.

    3. Partly (2), but also thanks to the 'need' to allow for television commercials. The game has gotten dull. A baseball game used to take about an hour and a half. Now it's a good two hours and a half. If anything, even less happens, so...

  12. Baseball-almanac.com lists “ultimate homeruns” in the majors and puts in bold-face the ones that occurred with two outs–there are 16 shown. One was on a full-count by Del Crandall on 09-11-1955.

    • Replies: @roonaldo
    @roonaldo

    Oops--I missed that it had to be an inside-the-parker to count. Still an interesting listing of the over the wall game enders.

  13. @roonaldo
    Baseball-almanac.com lists "ultimate homeruns" in the majors and puts in bold-face the ones that occurred with two outs--there are 16 shown. One was on a full-count by Del Crandall on 09-11-1955.

    Replies: @roonaldo

    Oops–I missed that it had to be an inside-the-parker to count. Still an interesting listing of the over the wall game enders.

  14. An unassisted triple play has been done on a few occasions.

  15. @Steve Sailer
    @Diversity Heretic

    An outstanding throw by Carlos Correa from well out in left field.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    That is the conventional wisdom but I doubt it is still makes sense for the MLB.

    Right to third throws have been the justification but that is rare and the batter will most likely get the base. Hitting an MLB fastball is harder than ever and it takes a lot of work to get a man all the way around without a home run.

    I'd put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.

    Moneyball is an interesting movie for those that haven't seen it. It is based on a true story of how Oakland did a bunch of these calculations to beat conventional wisdom and find players that were ignored or passed over.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Greta Handel

  16. Adam Dunn did it in 2006 for the Reds; Buddy Bell, 1984, Rangers. Not inside the park, though. Roberto Clemente hit an inside the park walk off grand slams in 1956 in Forbes Field, the last field conducive to regular inside the park home runs, not clear if with two outs though.

    There have been at least thirty walk-off grand slams hit down three runs. (Play by play data sketchy before 1974.) Not all of them are with two outs, and some of them are in extra innings, as in Ryan Roberts in 2011 or Babe Ruth in 1925. https://www.mlb.com/news/all-time-ultimate-grand-slams-c290137154

    The Braves had one in 2010 that bounced off the left fielder’s glove into the stands.

  17. @Reg Cæsar
    Here's an inside-the-park grand slam in Fenway three weeks ago:


    https://youtu.be/VCbz3mXb_R0


    Atrocious outfielding, and not just by the centerfielder. Where was his backup? I would not want to do this at home, and certainly not in Boston.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @AndrewR, @Ron Mexico

    The look on the center-fielder’s face (wtf is happening?) was priceless.

    He reminds me of the goodwhites today–staring at the sky and wondering why they are getting ^%\$#ed and who might be doing it.

  18. “But that was with no outs. Indeed that caused a controversy because Clemente’s manager was coaching third base when the future legend ran through his stop sign”

    Puerto Ricans never stop at stop signs.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  19. @Reg Cæsar
    Here's an inside-the-park grand slam in Fenway three weeks ago:


    https://youtu.be/VCbz3mXb_R0


    Atrocious outfielding, and not just by the centerfielder. Where was his backup? I would not want to do this at home, and certainly not in Boston.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @AndrewR, @Ron Mexico

    Lol looks like a career ender there. Wow.

  20. @CW Acumen

    “Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?”
     
    According to Baseball Almanac, it's never happened, which is incredible.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon7

    Can someone calculate the probability of it? Very simple arithmetic but I don’t know where I’d find the stats.

  21. 0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Polistra

    0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?

    Not sure about that case but there have been Ethiopian Jews in Israel for years.

    The Israeli Jews basically don't want them but they technically qualify. The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    A very politically incorrect subject that our MSM wouldn't dare investigate just as they don't like reporting on how effective the Israeli wall has been.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @AnotherDad
    @Polistra

    I was completely flummoxed on how I was going to work minoritarianism, "separation nations!" or the Jews into this thread.

    Then some guy just whacks it right out of the ballpark and over to Israel! Damn, I can't even play in this league.

    Replies: @Polistra

  22. I sat through 8 innings and headed home early. As I was leaving my friend who was staying said “we are only 3 runs from winning this”. I am a dumb man. Very dumb man.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    @Mule Named Sal

    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave - I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura's grand slam single on television. True story.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

  23. As a little boy, I decided that the most exciting way for a baseball game to end would be for the hometeam to be down 3 runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded, and then the batter hits a long drive that gets away from the outfielders so he tries to round the bases and is safe on a tag play at the plate to win the game.

    That would indeed be exciting.

    I’d rather see a last inning in park home run on a no hitter.

    The spoil factor would be hilarious.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @John Johnson

    Harvey Haddix, call your office…

  24. @CW Acumen

    “Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history?”
     
    According to Baseball Almanac, it's never happened, which is incredible.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon7

    Obviously, the answer to this problem is to make MLB teams play a game every day, no make that a double-header, every day until we get a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam! We can make this happen.

  25. @Diversity Heretic
    Bad call to send him in. I don't think even a properly-executed hook slide could have avoided the tag.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    Bad call to send him in. I don’t think even a properly-executed hook slide could have avoided the tag.

    Only in restrospect.

    Odds are he would have been left on third base.

    It’s better to gamble against a throw to home from outfield if you have a chance. Much better odds than having someone knock you home with two outs in a tight game.

  26. OT So the feds are doing more of what the feds have been doing and they will do until we control them, so what?

  27. @Mule Named Sal
    I sat through 8 innings and headed home early. As I was leaving my friend who was staying said “we are only 3 runs from winning this”. I am a dumb man. Very dumb man.

    Replies: @I, Libertine

    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave – I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura’s grand slam single on television. True story.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @I, Libertine


    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave – I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura’s grand slam single on television. True story.
     
    It would not have happened if you had stayed at Shea. It only happened in this timeline.

    Of course, if you'd stayed in the park the Mets might have won the series and then the World Series and the FBI caught the 911 hijackers and President Gore doesn't even invade Afghanistan. It's all on you buddy.
    , @ScarletNumber
    @I, Libertine

    Gambling wasn't legal then, so this is all theoretical, but in Las Vegas Ventura's single caused the total to go under rather than over.

  28. Not strictly meeting the criteria (1 out instead of 2, and out-of-the-park instead of inside), but still very exciting:

  29. The majority of inside-the-park home runs are misplayed by the outfielder(s). This was not the case, in my opinion, in the video Steve posted, although if the outfielder didn’t dive, and instead tried to chase the ball down on foot or play it off the wall, it probably would not have been a home run. A quirk of MLB stats is that these don’t quite fit the definition of errors — Reg Cæsar’s video being a classic example.

    I’m not sure what exactly the criteria for an error by an outfielder are. It’s ultimately up to the scorer’s judgment, but there are some rules of thumb. Generally, but not always, if you get a glove on it without jumping or diving, it’s an error. Usually non-throwing errors aren’t charged when the fielder is stationary unless the ball goes between his legs. The mystery is why a routine fly ball that falls is usually not scored an error.

    I once heard a commentator suggest adding the concept of a “team error,” which seems like an interesting idea.

  30. @Greta Handel
    I remember when Mr. Sailer wrote a lot more about sportsball, and MLBoomball in particular. He pretended not to Notice when the baseball was juiced mid-2015, and has since slowly walked off.

    Dolts who think (1) that offense is how many runs are scored and (2) that pitching is all about strikeouts now have what they want. The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Guest007, @Colin Wright

    They are going to ban the shift? Is that correct? Total bullshit, if true.

  31. @Polistra
    0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?


    https://i.ibb.co/VW9z2Ny/Screenshot-20220814-093217-NYPost.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?

    Not sure about that case but there have been Ethiopian Jews in Israel for years.

    The Israeli Jews basically don’t want them but they technically qualify. The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    A very politically incorrect subject that our MSM wouldn’t dare investigate just as they don’t like reporting on how effective the Israeli wall has been.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @John Johnson

    The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  32. Mr Sailer, I have been waiting for you to bring up another MLB thread to bring this rant:

    Minnie Miñoso was inducted into the MLB Hall of Fame this year, 2022.

    His was a household name for a generation. How the *&^% did it take over 40 years for him to be selected into the HoF ?????

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Gamecock

    Minnie Minoso does have a racehorse named after him. A racehorse Minoso could probably outrun, but still ...

  33. @Guest007
    @Steve Sailer

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    That is the conventional wisdom but I doubt it is still makes sense for the MLB.

    Right to third throws have been the justification but that is rare and the batter will most likely get the base. Hitting an MLB fastball is harder than ever and it takes a lot of work to get a man all the way around without a home run.

    I’d put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.

    Moneyball is an interesting movie for those that haven’t seen it. It is based on a true story of how Oakland did a bunch of these calculations to beat conventional wisdom and find players that were ignored or passed over.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @John Johnson


    I’d put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.
     
    Baseball uses the shift in the infield--including moving their best infielders to the spot where they think it most likely to get the batted ball for a particular hitter.

    However they have not moved around the outfielders batter by batter--maybe they should.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Greta Handel
    @John Johnson

    Another downstream effect of juicing the ball.

    In a game of HR/SO/BB

    —> getting around to third has less value

    —> so it’s not attempted as often

    —> and the importance of the gun in right field in particular - and across the outfield generally - is diminished.

  34. @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    That is the conventional wisdom but I doubt it is still makes sense for the MLB.

    Right to third throws have been the justification but that is rare and the batter will most likely get the base. Hitting an MLB fastball is harder than ever and it takes a lot of work to get a man all the way around without a home run.

    I'd put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.

    Moneyball is an interesting movie for those that haven't seen it. It is based on a true story of how Oakland did a bunch of these calculations to beat conventional wisdom and find players that were ignored or passed over.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Greta Handel

    I’d put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.

    Baseball uses the shift in the infield–including moving their best infielders to the spot where they think it most likely to get the batted ball for a particular hitter.

    However they have not moved around the outfielders batter by batter–maybe they should.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Justvisiting

    Baseball uses the shift in the infield–including moving their best infielders to the spot where they think it most likely to get the batted ball for a particular hitter.

    Yea I'm aware of that but they can only move them so much and it works better in junior leagues. A decent batter can aim for a gap in the MLB. In junior leagues and softball they will move them in for someone they know that isn't going to crack it. In MLB they can all potentially crack it.

    However they have not moved around the outfielders batter by batter–maybe they should.

    Would be too much running.

    You put the right hander in right field to stretch for a hit going down the right side.

    I said that wrong previously. You basically want the glove on the foul line.

  35. @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Usually the left fielder has the weakest arm out of the three fielders compared to the right fielders usually having the best warm. One sends the runner and hopes for a hurried mistake by the fielders or the catcher.

    That is the conventional wisdom but I doubt it is still makes sense for the MLB.

    Right to third throws have been the justification but that is rare and the batter will most likely get the base. Hitting an MLB fastball is harder than ever and it takes a lot of work to get a man all the way around without a home run.

    I'd put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.

    Moneyball is an interesting movie for those that haven't seen it. It is based on a true story of how Oakland did a bunch of these calculations to beat conventional wisdom and find players that were ignored or passed over.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Greta Handel

    Another downstream effect of juicing the ball.

    In a game of HR/SO/BB

    —> getting around to third has less value

    —> so it’s not attempted as often

    —> and the importance of the gun in right field in particular – and across the outfield generally – is diminished.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    Here's an inside-the-park grand slam in Fenway three weeks ago:


    https://youtu.be/VCbz3mXb_R0


    Atrocious outfielding, and not just by the centerfielder. Where was his backup? I would not want to do this at home, and certainly not in Boston.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @AndrewR, @Ron Mexico

    The final score was 28-5.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    The final score was 28-5.
     
    Should I try to do some more?
    28 or 5 to 4...


    Oh, wait... that was the other Sox' city.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @AndrewR
    @Ron Mexico

    Wow. Not far off from what is apparently the biggest blowout in MLB history: Rangers-Orioles 30-3

  37. @Greta Handel
    I remember when Mr. Sailer wrote a lot more about sportsball, and MLBoomball in particular. He pretended not to Notice when the baseball was juiced mid-2015, and has since slowly walked off.

    Dolts who think (1) that offense is how many runs are scored and (2) that pitching is all about strikeouts now have what they want. The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Guest007, @Colin Wright

    Greta, You write, “baseball was juiced mid-2015.” What does this mean? (I am a baseball ignoramus.) Was there a change in the rules of the game? And was this change made mid-season? What was the change?

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mid-2015, the ball was altered at the direction of MLB so that it carried farther enough to wreck the game. Commenter “Travis” and I (including in my pre-handle days) posted ad nauseum while Mr. Sailer and many others nerded about moving the mound, altering the dimensions of the field, etc.

    ***

    (posted October 2018):

    Why does this topic bring out the 8th grade science fair in so many?

    The one, simple thing that can (and should, unless you find the game more “fun when they hit homers”) be done is to return to the relatively high-seamed ball of just a few years ago.

    1. It has been repeatedly noted on this blog, most notably last year [2017] by commenter Travis, that the new ball carries substantially farther. Beyond the immediate effect of converting a can of corn to a dinger, everyone retools: batters swing for the fences, pitchers try to strike everyone out, and more batters are walked but disinclined to run the bases aggressively.

    2. I’m not aware of formal analyses, but have also read that pitchers who would otherwise (even in light of #1) throw an off-speed pitch don’t because the new ball won’t break as sharply. Another reason that pitching to contact is no longer an effective approach.

    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.

    ***

    I’m pretty sure that MLB has since fessed up, but they were lying about it for several years.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

  38. Daily Dose of Laughs:

    How does a “Man” of Unz define multitasking?

    Draining a nut to pictures of naked black men while fantasizing about taking it up the ass raw from a pre-op tranny.

    • Troll: Guest007
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @prosa123

    I'd rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AnotherDad
    @prosa123

    Ron, could you add a "Queer" button, please?

    , @ScarletNumber
    @prosa123

    Have you fallen on your head lately? You seem unwell

  39. OT – Apparently, Steve, you have fans in the Washington State and Seattle Governments:

    State considers social equity licenses for people impacted by ‘war on drugs’ to get cannabis shop licenses

    “The Washington State Liquor Cannabis Board is considering a point system that would give people convicted of a drug-related crime and did prison time – preferential treatment when applying for retail cannabis license.

    If adopted, the City of Seattle will adopt the same rules and set aside \$1 million dollars in grant money to help them get started.”

    https://www.q13fox.com/news/state-considers-social-equity-licenses-for-people-impacted-by-war-on-drugs-to-get-cannabis-shop-licenses

  40. Haxo’s Greatest Sports Moment: as little boy – involved in Midget League Basball, 7th grade @ La Colina Jr. High in Santa Barbara CA c. 1962- I hit a GS HR with 2-out in the top of first inning; Norm Hendry hung a curve ball and I drove it over the left fielder’s head. But that was the only runs we got, and ended up losing 5-4. In fact, playing center field, I was also involved in the play that lost us the game in the bottom of the 9th: opposition base runner took off to steal 2nd, and our catcher Roy Reddin tried to throw him out but threw the ball over 2nd baseman’s head….I picked it up and threw it over Roy’s head as the winning run scored. Hero to goat, so to speak.

  41. @Greta Handel
    I remember when Mr. Sailer wrote a lot more about sportsball, and MLBoomball in particular. He pretended not to Notice when the baseball was juiced mid-2015, and has since slowly walked off.

    Dolts who think (1) that offense is how many runs are scored and (2) that pitching is all about strikeouts now have what they want. The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Guest007, @Colin Wright

    It is hard to argue that the defense is not any good when the shift has lowered the number of singles and baserunners. Baserunning and manufacturing runs was more important in the era of really big multiuse stadiums. In the age of smaller baseball only stadiums where home runs are easier, no team can have a roster of singles hitters. The pitching is better and the fielding is better.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Guest007

    I’m admittedly years away from it at this point.

    But someone showed me a clip last (?) season of a Pirates 1B deked by a Cubs batter - with two outs!! - on a grounder when he could have simply walked to the bag. He ended up tossing the ball over the catcher’s head as a runner came in from third. Someone else can go track down the video - it was tee ball level.

    This year, I happened to see on a restaurant TV a popup to the mound where the pitcher (maybe Padres, only watched it once or twice) staggered around for a bit instead of spotting the ball for the infielders and getting out of the way. The ball landed with the 3B who plainly should have taken it nowhere near. On the same play there may have been further silliness that included not properly running down someone trapped between second and third; if not, I’m thinking of yet another that would have led to scorn among church league softball players.

    Anecdotal, sure. But I honestly don’t remember such poor play when I was a fan.

    The pitching is faster because it has to be when anything but a strikeout might go over the wall. The defense players are more athletic, yes, but the talent is wasted because the game’s played increasingly outside the diamond.

    Replies: @Guest007

    , @Ganderson
    @Guest007

    The players are more skilled than ever; but the game has become unwatchable.

  42. With three runs to give and two outs, the outfielders would be playing conservatively, being more willing to give up a single in front of them than to take a chance on a ball over their head for a double or more.

  43. I dunno, but the Brewers let the Giants have three homers including a Grand Slam in the ninth a couple weeks back.

  44. Check out the Giants Dodgers game on 9/3/73.
    This was a nationally televised kMonday night game. I was rooting for the Giants as I was a big Reds fan. Reds were 11 games out of first place on June 30. Dodgers were in first place but fell apart in the second half. This game was in the middle of a nine game losing streak for the Dodgers.Dodgers were up 8 to 1 going into the bottom of the seventh. Giants score 6 to make an 8 to 7. There was a fluke play where Davey Lopes could not figure out where to throw the ball and sort of freezes. Fast-forward to bottom of ninth.Bases get loaded with no outs including two fielders choice sacrifice bunts. Bobby Bonds (great player) comes up and hits a drive to deep left. I am watching and praying that it will least tie up the game on a sacrifice fly. It keeps going and is a walk off grand slam. Giants win 11 to 8. Reds go on to win the pennant but lose to the Mets in the playoffs who barely won 83 games. This was one of the top 10 games I’ve ever seen in my life. Check out the diagram of chance of winning on baseball reference. I would’ve included it but I didn’t know how. Great memory! There is even a tape of the highlights of the last part of the game as heard on the radio.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @pepperinmono


    Reds were 11 games out of first place on June 30
     
    Amazingly they made up 8½ games in July alone. It looks like the Reds took the lead for good on September 4. On that exact date the Mets were in 5th place at 65-73, 5½ games behind the Cardinals.

    Check out the diagram of chance of winning on baseball reference
     
    Here is the direct link, which is better because it is dynamic:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN197309030.shtml#all_chart

    Here is the static version

    https://ibb.co/zhQGpM3

  45. Here’s the thing. The”Men” of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that’s due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men.
     
    Nobody's "hating on" anybody. Just calling them out on their 1981-style dissimulation that their behavior has nothing to do with their condition. Were Trump still in the White House, he'd be receiving the same blame Reagan did.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @AnotherDad
    @prosa123


    Here’s the thing. The”Men” of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that’s due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.
     
    Such stunning "logic".

    -- Normal men have a natural "disgust" reaction to homosexuals. Disgust is the normal reaction to things that are unpleasant and harmful to you. The natural "you should stay away from that" reaction/emotion.

    -- Most people here are not using "sodomite". But just off the top of my head, two obvious things:
    1) it is kind of literary and biblical and this is an educated crowd
    2) it is calling the specific homosexual disease spreading activity a particular name; as opposed to the fake "equivalence"--to normal healthy relations between men and women--of saying "sex"

    -- No one benefits from homosexuals.
    Homosexuals are a tiny--2% is a reasonable figure--percent of the male population. This has basically zero impact on normal men's prospects with women. Furthermore, the typical guy here is married with children, at least reasonably intelligent and probably successful and probably never had any big issue (beyond the normal "nope, she's not interested") with women.

    Also ... not everything is personal to men. We are capable of making judgements, even taking actions that are not motivated by some limited "what's in it for me", but by broader issues, like the health and survival of the tribe, the nation, civilization.

    Homosexuals spread disease, as they are doing so once again. And have other unpleasant negative impacts--faggifying this or that aspect of our culture and politics and society. They are a negative, plain and simple.

    -- Many commenters here have a negative political take on homosexuals that goes beyond simple disgust with their sexual behavior. Many of us watch the AIDS deal play out where
    - the homosexuals, their particular homosexual behavior, spread a new disease
    - they refused to alter their behavior (really much at all) to stop the disease
    - cast themselves as blameless innocent victims
    - blamed normal people for it all
    - rolled it on to be a saintly oppressed people who really had to have homosexual "marriage" (this from a group that couldn't limit themselves to one partner in the face of deadly epidemic!)

    It was the classic minoritarian--oppressed minority, evil majority--playbook. It made absolutely no sense logically ... it was literally logically nuts. Viscerally repulsive logic and propaganda. Red-pilled to some extent me and many others. My first real understanding of the core logic and propaganda of minoritarianism--because it was so openly without merit--though I did not have a name "minoritarianism" to attach to it at that time.

    -- Gee we've never heard that before...
    Perhaps the lamest argument of all time is this one:

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.
     
    The depths of logic, you'd think no one who has mastered 2+2 could swim down to, yet it seems like every other queer and midwit trots it out. Normal healthy disgust can't be real ... must just be that they are ... um ... secretly homosexual!

    Now you're going one better and aiming it particularly at an audience of primarily old married-with-children guys. Genius.
    , @Polistra
    @prosa123

    Ya gotta ramp up that "psycho" thing just a tiny little bit more if you want to run with the big dog...


    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-central-park-birdwatcher-is-getting-paid/#comment-5350360

    , @anon
    @prosa123

    The greatest thing that ever happened to me occurred when someone thought I might be gay. Here's the tale:

    I was working as a waiter in a seafood restaurant that was sort of upscale for the time. We had a receptionist/cashier who would have been Playmate of the Month if Heffner had seen her, and naturally I never spoke to her since I figured she was way out of my league. One night at end of shift I was folding napkins in the back room when a waitress in her mid-50's came in and said, "Are you gay?" I was somewhat offended. She said, "well Ken's gay" (Ken, another waiter, used to brag about how many men he'd "done" each weekend). After my denial, she said, "well, Christy likes you."

    Years ago I saw an interview with some musician who had dated Pamela Anderson. He said something like, "there's no way I can describe to you what the sex was like - I just never wanted to stop." It was like that.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @John Johnson
    @prosa123

    Here’s the thing. The”Men” of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men.

    Men of Unz? A Rosie sock puppet?

    Consider that gay men only needed to abstain from butsecs with strangers for a month and monkeypox would be gone. It has an incubation period of only 8.5 days. 98% of cases were in gay or bi men and I would bet that the remaining 2% are lying.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    Ye old "Criticize gays and you must be gay" trope.

    Well I'm happily married and I used to believe in Hollywood and liberal depictions of gay men until I worked with them in the city.

    They are not basically straight men with a few genes flipped.

    Older psychology books had it correct. They are mentally unstable and extremely perverted. It is not "by chance" that they spread so many diseases. They are not interested in monogamy and it is a well known fact that they are far more promiscuous than straights.

    I have also been around lesbians and they were completely different. Depressed and bitter but not out having risky sex with strangers in bathrooms. I still have a business association with a gay man and I cannot bring up the subject of women with him. He assumes we all share his brain and don't actually like women. Other people I know have had similar experiences. Gays think we all share their thoughts. It's really bizarre and after being around gays I completely understand why society previously decided to suppress them. They are hopeless and should not be encouraged to act upon their perversions. They are a public health nightmare. Around 15% of them have done meth. After the orgy they go see a doctor and expect some government funded pill to fix whatever they picked up.

  46. Here’s a walk off pinch hit grand slam from last year:

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @Diversity Heretic

    An outstanding throw by Carlos Correa from well out in left field.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    A great throw, out by a mile.

    With the extra innings rules I think it was a good send, though. That ghost runner has changed the game in a significant way. Not allow.

  48. @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    The final score was 28-5.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    The final score was 28-5.

    Should I try to do some more?
    28 or 5 to 4…

    Oh, wait… that was the other Sox’ city.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    Nice! Alas, it occurred on a Friday in Fenway Park on the 22nd of July.

  49. @prosa123
    Here's the thing. The"Men" of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don't go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many "Men" of Unz are either lunatics - well, yeah - or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that's due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Polistra, @anon, @John Johnson

    Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men.

    Nobody’s “hating on” anybody. Just calling them out on their 1981-style dissimulation that their behavior has nothing to do with their condition. Were Trump still in the White House, he’d be receiving the same blame Reagan did.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've never seen anywhere else where commentators routinely call them sodomites.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  50. If a team is ahead 2 or 3 runs and the bases are loaded in the 9th, they would likely walk in a run if the batter is a slugger, and depending on whose next in the lineup.

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Sluggers usually don't hit inside the park homeruns. It's usually, speedsters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men.
     
    Nobody's "hating on" anybody. Just calling them out on their 1981-style dissimulation that their behavior has nothing to do with their condition. Were Trump still in the White House, he'd be receiving the same blame Reagan did.

    Replies: @prosa123

    I’ve never seen anywhere else where commentators routinely call them sodomites.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @prosa123

    A sodomite is someone who engages in sodomy. Isn't sodomy the, er, 'point' of homosexuality?

    Homos always say that anyone who thinks their behavior is disgusting is secretly homosexual. That's true sometimes, but to use your example most vegetarians don't secretly love eating meat (again; some do). It's really just wishful thinking, or cope; my behavior must be normal, therefore most people are like me.

    On the other hand, a lot of you like being homosexual because of how disgusting it is.

    Leftists like everything of a piece and simplified. Therefore, the men who find homosexuality to be a form of narcissism or sexual immaturity (listen to gay men talk about women or vaginas some time) must be either closeted or sexually inept.

    What can I tell you. I'm a guy with a lot of experience with women who is now married with kids and to be quite honest am not nearly as interested in sex as I used to be. But the missus and I make time for each other and enjoy ourselves. Most of the gay men I know my age are either in similarly domestic situations or lonely and desperate, still pursuing sex with strangers and furtive hookups online. Nobody is crueler to aging gay men than other gay men, not even the Men of Unz.

  52. It’s not a game winner, but there is the curious case of the Phantom Slam:

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
  53. @I, Libertine
    @Mule Named Sal

    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave - I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura's grand slam single on television. True story.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave – I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura’s grand slam single on television. True story.

    It would not have happened if you had stayed at Shea. It only happened in this timeline.

    Of course, if you’d stayed in the park the Mets might have won the series and then the World Series and the FBI caught the 911 hijackers and President Gore doesn’t even invade Afghanistan. It’s all on you buddy.

    • LOL: I, Libertine
  54. @Polistra
    0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?


    https://i.ibb.co/VW9z2Ny/Screenshot-20220814-093217-NYPost.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnotherDad

    I was completely flummoxed on how I was going to work minoritarianism, “separation nations!” or the Jews into this thread.

    Then some guy just whacks it right out of the ballpark and over to Israel! Damn, I can’t even play in this league.

    • LOL: Charon, Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @AnotherDad

    While you were busy making clever remarks, another of "Ron's Kids" got snatched. Now how do you feel? Repeat after me: Makes Us Stronger!

    https://i.ibb.co/YWTCbk2/Screenshot-20220814-192002-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Charon

  55. @Guest007
    @Greta Handel

    It is hard to argue that the defense is not any good when the shift has lowered the number of singles and baserunners. Baserunning and manufacturing runs was more important in the era of really big multiuse stadiums. In the age of smaller baseball only stadiums where home runs are easier, no team can have a roster of singles hitters. The pitching is better and the fielding is better.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ganderson

    I’m admittedly years away from it at this point.

    But someone showed me a clip last (?) season of a Pirates 1B deked by a Cubs batter – with two outs!! – on a grounder when he could have simply walked to the bag. He ended up tossing the ball over the catcher’s head as a runner came in from third. Someone else can go track down the video – it was tee ball level.

    This year, I happened to see on a restaurant TV a popup to the mound where the pitcher (maybe Padres, only watched it once or twice) staggered around for a bit instead of spotting the ball for the infielders and getting out of the way. The ball landed with the 3B who plainly should have taken it nowhere near. On the same play there may have been further silliness that included not properly running down someone trapped between second and third; if not, I’m thinking of yet another that would have led to scorn among church league softball players.

    Anecdotal, sure. But I honestly don’t remember such poor play when I was a fan.

    The pitching is faster because it has to be when anything but a strikeout might go over the wall. The defense players are more athletic, yes, but the talent is wasted because the game’s played increasingly outside the diamond.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Greta Handel

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact. And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.
    The shift has increased the ability of the defense to limit singles and smaller parks make doubles and triples harder to get. One of the things that has hurt pitching is moving the seats closer to homeplate and thus, there are fewer outs due to caught fouls.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  56. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Greta Handel

    Greta, You write, "baseball was juiced mid-2015." What does this mean? (I am a baseball ignoramus.) Was there a change in the rules of the game? And was this change made mid-season? What was the change?

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    Mid-2015, the ball was altered at the direction of MLB so that it carried farther enough to wreck the game. Commenter “Travis” and I (including in my pre-handle days) posted ad nauseum while Mr. Sailer and many others nerded about moving the mound, altering the dimensions of the field, etc.

    ***

    (posted October 2018):

    Why does this topic bring out the 8th grade science fair in so many?

    The one, simple thing that can (and should, unless you find the game more “fun when they hit homers”) be done is to return to the relatively high-seamed ball of just a few years ago.

    1. It has been repeatedly noted on this blog, most notably last year [2017] by commenter Travis, that the new ball carries substantially farther. Beyond the immediate effect of converting a can of corn to a dinger, everyone retools: batters swing for the fences, pitchers try to strike everyone out, and more batters are walked but disinclined to run the bases aggressively.

    2. I’m not aware of formal analyses, but have also read that pitchers who would otherwise (even in light of #1) throw an off-speed pitch don’t because the new ball won’t break as sharply. Another reason that pitching to contact is no longer an effective approach.

    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.

    ***

    I’m pretty sure that MLB has since fessed up, but they were lying about it for several years.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Greta Handel


    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.
     
    I'm an old guy and do not watch any sports, other than the occasional round of golf (usually the Masters).

    And, I have never paid to go to see a professional baseball game. I've been to a few because the Cincinnati Enquirer with the Reds used to give out "Straight A Tickets" to students for a few (would not be sold out) games. I used to go with my HS buddy and we'd try and chat with some girls nearby or play "which one is the straight A student".

    Anyway, the 70s Reds were entertaining and I watched a bit (and heard a bit when doing shift work). And I concur. Homers are not super-exciting.

    More exciting:
    -- base stealer on 1st / stolen base attempt
    -- inc. hit and run
    -- play at plate
    -- deep sac fly to guy with a good arm
    -- squeeze bunt
    -- single with man on 2nd
    and perhaps most exciting play
    -- hit into gap that is potential double with fast man on 1st--possible play at plate or 2nd base

    But that's opinion from 40 odd years ago.

    I suspect the choice to juice the ball and go for homers is part of the general enstupifaction/blackification of America. No appreciation for finesse, subtlety, superb execution. All just go big or go home.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ganderson

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Greta Handel

    Thank you, Greta, for this news that the baseball was altered to make it livelier.
    https://www.ballqube.com/how-baseballs-are-made/

  57. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    I've never seen anywhere else where commentators routinely call them sodomites.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    A sodomite is someone who engages in sodomy. Isn’t sodomy the, er, ‘point’ of homosexuality?

    Homos always say that anyone who thinks their behavior is disgusting is secretly homosexual. That’s true sometimes, but to use your example most vegetarians don’t secretly love eating meat (again; some do). It’s really just wishful thinking, or cope; my behavior must be normal, therefore most people are like me.

    On the other hand, a lot of you like being homosexual because of how disgusting it is.

    Leftists like everything of a piece and simplified. Therefore, the men who find homosexuality to be a form of narcissism or sexual immaturity (listen to gay men talk about women or vaginas some time) must be either closeted or sexually inept.

    What can I tell you. I’m a guy with a lot of experience with women who is now married with kids and to be quite honest am not nearly as interested in sex as I used to be. But the missus and I make time for each other and enjoy ourselves. Most of the gay men I know my age are either in similarly domestic situations or lonely and desperate, still pursuing sex with strangers and furtive hookups online. Nobody is crueler to aging gay men than other gay men, not even the Men of Unz.

  58. @prosa123
    Here's the thing. The"Men" of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don't go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many "Men" of Unz are either lunatics - well, yeah - or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that's due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Polistra, @anon, @John Johnson

    Here’s the thing. The”Men” of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that’s due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Such stunning “logic”.

    — Normal men have a natural “disgust” reaction to homosexuals. Disgust is the normal reaction to things that are unpleasant and harmful to you. The natural “you should stay away from that” reaction/emotion.

    — Most people here are not using “sodomite”. But just off the top of my head, two obvious things:
    1) it is kind of literary and biblical and this is an educated crowd
    2) it is calling the specific homosexual disease spreading activity a particular name; as opposed to the fake “equivalence”–to normal healthy relations between men and women–of saying “sex”

    — No one benefits from homosexuals.
    Homosexuals are a tiny–2% is a reasonable figure–percent of the male population. This has basically zero impact on normal men’s prospects with women. Furthermore, the typical guy here is married with children, at least reasonably intelligent and probably successful and probably never had any big issue (beyond the normal “nope, she’s not interested”) with women.

    Also … not everything is personal to men. We are capable of making judgements, even taking actions that are not motivated by some limited “what’s in it for me”, but by broader issues, like the health and survival of the tribe, the nation, civilization.

    Homosexuals spread disease, as they are doing so once again. And have other unpleasant negative impacts–faggifying this or that aspect of our culture and politics and society. They are a negative, plain and simple.

    — Many commenters here have a negative political take on homosexuals that goes beyond simple disgust with their sexual behavior. Many of us watch the AIDS deal play out where
    – the homosexuals, their particular homosexual behavior, spread a new disease
    – they refused to alter their behavior (really much at all) to stop the disease
    – cast themselves as blameless innocent victims
    – blamed normal people for it all
    – rolled it on to be a saintly oppressed people who really had to have homosexual “marriage” (this from a group that couldn’t limit themselves to one partner in the face of deadly epidemic!)

    It was the classic minoritarian–oppressed minority, evil majority–playbook. It made absolutely no sense logically … it was literally logically nuts. Viscerally repulsive logic and propaganda. Red-pilled to some extent me and many others. My first real understanding of the core logic and propaganda of minoritarianism–because it was so openly without merit–though I did not have a name “minoritarianism” to attach to it at that time.

    — Gee we’ve never heard that before…
    Perhaps the lamest argument of all time is this one:

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    The depths of logic, you’d think no one who has mastered 2+2 could swim down to, yet it seems like every other queer and midwit trots it out. Normal healthy disgust can’t be real … must just be that they are … um … secretly homosexual!

    Now you’re going one better and aiming it particularly at an audience of primarily old married-with-children guys. Genius.

  59. Off-topic:

    The Judeo-Nipponic dominance of Hawaii advances.

    Josh Green, an ER doctor from NY who arrived there in 2000, will be its next governor.

    His daughter looks like she’ll turn out lovely but I have never seen hapas with such squinty eyes.

    Senator Brian Schatz was born into a Jewish family in Ann Arbor, but grew up in Hawaii. He replaced a longtime Japanese senator.

    Neil Abercrombie was in the US House for 20 years and one term as governor.

    He was preceded for 8 years by Linda Lingle, also Jewish and the last Republican to win major office in Hawaii.

    Japanese:

    Mazie Hirono held the other US House seat from 2007 and is now the junior Senator, though she’s older than Schatz.

    Patsy Mink spent 24 years representing Hawaii in Congress.

    Colleen Hanabusa’s 8 years in Congress ended in 2019 when she made a failed run for governor.

    Daniel K. Inouye spent 53 years representing Hawaii in the House then Senate.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Pixo


    Neil Abercrombie was in the US House for 20 years and one term as governor.
     
    Is Abercrombie also Jewish?

    That is an impressive performance in Hawaii politics from a group that is not usually considered to be Asian.

    Replies: @Pixo

  60. Meanwhile. Back in the real world.

    • LOL: kaganovitch, roonaldo
  61. @AnotherDad
    @Polistra

    I was completely flummoxed on how I was going to work minoritarianism, "separation nations!" or the Jews into this thread.

    Then some guy just whacks it right out of the ballpark and over to Israel! Damn, I can't even play in this league.

    Replies: @Polistra

    While you were busy making clever remarks, another of “Ron’s Kids” got snatched. Now how do you feel? Repeat after me: Makes Us Stronger!

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Polistra

    What I don't get is why he used a car to mow down all them gringos when he was clearly meant to be on DE PLANE! DE PLANE!

  62. @Pixo
    Off-topic:

    The Judeo-Nipponic dominance of Hawaii advances.

    Josh Green, an ER doctor from NY who arrived there in 2000, will be its next governor.

    His daughter looks like she’ll turn out lovely but I have never seen hapas with such squinty eyes.

    https://joshgreenforhawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/meet3.jpg

    Senator Brian Schatz was born into a Jewish family in Ann Arbor, but grew up in Hawaii. He replaced a longtime Japanese senator.

    Neil Abercrombie was in the US House for 20 years and one term as governor.

    He was preceded for 8 years by Linda Lingle, also Jewish and the last Republican to win major office in Hawaii.

    Japanese:

    Mazie Hirono held the other US House seat from 2007 and is now the junior Senator, though she’s older than Schatz.

    Patsy Mink spent 24 years representing Hawaii in Congress.

    Colleen Hanabusa’s 8 years in Congress ended in 2019 when she made a failed run for governor.

    Daniel K. Inouye spent 53 years representing Hawaii in the House then Senate.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Neil Abercrombie was in the US House for 20 years and one term as governor.

    Is Abercrombie also Jewish?

    That is an impressive performance in Hawaii politics from a group that is not usually considered to be Asian.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @anonymous

    Wow you’ve right! He looks Jewish and is from Buffalo, but he’s a true Scots-Irish.

    Here he is as a young hunk

    https://d1l18ops95qbzp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/2020/02/12132723/SB-B1-d21-002-809x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  63. @prosa123
    Here's the thing. The"Men" of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don't go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many "Men" of Unz are either lunatics - well, yeah - or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that's due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Polistra, @anon, @John Johnson

    Ya gotta ramp up that “psycho” thing just a tiny little bit more if you want to run with the big dog…

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-central-park-birdwatcher-is-getting-paid/#comment-5350360

  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    The final score was 28-5.
     
    Should I try to do some more?
    28 or 5 to 4...


    Oh, wait... that was the other Sox' city.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    Nice! Alas, it occurred on a Friday in Fenway Park on the 22nd of July.

  65. @Polistra
    @AnotherDad

    While you were busy making clever remarks, another of "Ron's Kids" got snatched. Now how do you feel? Repeat after me: Makes Us Stronger!

    https://i.ibb.co/YWTCbk2/Screenshot-20220814-192002-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Replies: @Charon

    What I don’t get is why he used a car to mow down all them gringos when he was clearly meant to be on DE PLANE! DE PLANE!

  66. @prosa123
    Daily Dose of Laughs:

    How does a "Man" of Unz define multitasking?

    Draining a nut to pictures of naked black men while fantasizing about taking it up the ass raw from a pre-op tranny.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

    I’d rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.

    • LOL: AnotherDad, Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I’d rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.
     
    In the GAF Viewmaster.



    https://youtu.be/DAxJzwawc7g

    Replies: @Ralph L

  67. @Greta Handel
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mid-2015, the ball was altered at the direction of MLB so that it carried farther enough to wreck the game. Commenter “Travis” and I (including in my pre-handle days) posted ad nauseum while Mr. Sailer and many others nerded about moving the mound, altering the dimensions of the field, etc.

    ***

    (posted October 2018):

    Why does this topic bring out the 8th grade science fair in so many?

    The one, simple thing that can (and should, unless you find the game more “fun when they hit homers”) be done is to return to the relatively high-seamed ball of just a few years ago.

    1. It has been repeatedly noted on this blog, most notably last year [2017] by commenter Travis, that the new ball carries substantially farther. Beyond the immediate effect of converting a can of corn to a dinger, everyone retools: batters swing for the fences, pitchers try to strike everyone out, and more batters are walked but disinclined to run the bases aggressively.

    2. I’m not aware of formal analyses, but have also read that pitchers who would otherwise (even in light of #1) throw an off-speed pitch don’t because the new ball won’t break as sharply. Another reason that pitching to contact is no longer an effective approach.

    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.

    ***

    I’m pretty sure that MLB has since fessed up, but they were lying about it for several years.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.

    I’m an old guy and do not watch any sports, other than the occasional round of golf (usually the Masters).

    And, I have never paid to go to see a professional baseball game. I’ve been to a few because the Cincinnati Enquirer with the Reds used to give out “Straight A Tickets” to students for a few (would not be sold out) games. I used to go with my HS buddy and we’d try and chat with some girls nearby or play “which one is the straight A student”.

    Anyway, the 70s Reds were entertaining and I watched a bit (and heard a bit when doing shift work). And I concur. Homers are not super-exciting.

    More exciting:
    — base stealer on 1st / stolen base attempt
    — inc. hit and run
    — play at plate
    — deep sac fly to guy with a good arm
    — squeeze bunt
    — single with man on 2nd
    and perhaps most exciting play
    — hit into gap that is potential double with fast man on 1st–possible play at plate or 2nd base

    But that’s opinion from 40 odd years ago.

    I suspect the choice to juice the ball and go for homers is part of the general enstupifaction/blackification of America. No appreciation for finesse, subtlety, superb execution. All just go big or go home.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    I should have added the diving catch or the on the run in the gap/to the wall, and especially the climbing the wall, catch.

    I.e. great defense on a ball that would be serious trouble--including going to be homer--is also more exciting than the plain vanilla knocked it out of the park as well.

    , @Ganderson
    @AnotherDad

    Ball hit into the gap with the bases loaded and two outs.

    I went to my first game in 1961, at old Met Stadium in Bloomington, MN.

    The current homerunwalksstrikeouts fest that is modern baseball doesn’t really interest me. I still casually follow the Twins, but it’s mostly inertia.

  68. @AnotherDad
    @Greta Handel


    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.
     
    I'm an old guy and do not watch any sports, other than the occasional round of golf (usually the Masters).

    And, I have never paid to go to see a professional baseball game. I've been to a few because the Cincinnati Enquirer with the Reds used to give out "Straight A Tickets" to students for a few (would not be sold out) games. I used to go with my HS buddy and we'd try and chat with some girls nearby or play "which one is the straight A student".

    Anyway, the 70s Reds were entertaining and I watched a bit (and heard a bit when doing shift work). And I concur. Homers are not super-exciting.

    More exciting:
    -- base stealer on 1st / stolen base attempt
    -- inc. hit and run
    -- play at plate
    -- deep sac fly to guy with a good arm
    -- squeeze bunt
    -- single with man on 2nd
    and perhaps most exciting play
    -- hit into gap that is potential double with fast man on 1st--possible play at plate or 2nd base

    But that's opinion from 40 odd years ago.

    I suspect the choice to juice the ball and go for homers is part of the general enstupifaction/blackification of America. No appreciation for finesse, subtlety, superb execution. All just go big or go home.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ganderson

    I should have added the diving catch or the on the run in the gap/to the wall, and especially the climbing the wall, catch.

    I.e. great defense on a ball that would be serious trouble–including going to be homer–is also more exciting than the plain vanilla knocked it out of the park as well.

  69. @prosa123
    Daily Dose of Laughs:

    How does a "Man" of Unz define multitasking?

    Draining a nut to pictures of naked black men while fantasizing about taking it up the ass raw from a pre-op tranny.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

    Ron, could you add a “Queer” button, please?

  70. Can we go back to golf? Specifically the new Saudi tournament. Baseball is boring except in person.

  71. @Greta Handel
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Mid-2015, the ball was altered at the direction of MLB so that it carried farther enough to wreck the game. Commenter “Travis” and I (including in my pre-handle days) posted ad nauseum while Mr. Sailer and many others nerded about moving the mound, altering the dimensions of the field, etc.

    ***

    (posted October 2018):

    Why does this topic bring out the 8th grade science fair in so many?

    The one, simple thing that can (and should, unless you find the game more “fun when they hit homers”) be done is to return to the relatively high-seamed ball of just a few years ago.

    1. It has been repeatedly noted on this blog, most notably last year [2017] by commenter Travis, that the new ball carries substantially farther. Beyond the immediate effect of converting a can of corn to a dinger, everyone retools: batters swing for the fences, pitchers try to strike everyone out, and more batters are walked but disinclined to run the bases aggressively.

    2. I’m not aware of formal analyses, but have also read that pitchers who would otherwise (even in light of #1) throw an off-speed pitch don’t because the new ball won’t break as sharply. Another reason that pitching to contact is no longer an effective approach.

    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.

    ***

    I’m pretty sure that MLB has since fessed up, but they were lying about it for several years.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Thank you, Greta, for this news that the baseball was altered to make it livelier.
    https://www.ballqube.com/how-baseballs-are-made/

    • Thanks: Jim Christian
  72. @anonymous
    @Pixo


    Neil Abercrombie was in the US House for 20 years and one term as governor.
     
    Is Abercrombie also Jewish?

    That is an impressive performance in Hawaii politics from a group that is not usually considered to be Asian.

    Replies: @Pixo

    Wow you’ve right! He looks Jewish and is from Buffalo, but he’s a true Scots-Irish.

    Here he is as a young hunk

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pixo

    Abercrombie and Fist.

  73. @Greta Handel
    I remember when Mr. Sailer wrote a lot more about sportsball, and MLBoomball in particular. He pretended not to Notice when the baseball was juiced mid-2015, and has since slowly walked off.

    Dolts who think (1) that offense is how many runs are scored and (2) that pitching is all about strikeouts now have what they want. The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Guest007, @Colin Wright

    ‘…The game has substantially declined because the other things like defense, baserunning, bunting and hitting behind runners, pitching to contact, etc., aren’t as important.’

    I’d add three other elements — all not so easily addressed.

    1. The end of the reserve clause. I stopped following the Giants when their starting line up for the new season had one (1) player who’d been there the year before. What am I rooting for here? The corporation? The logo?

    2. Endless pitching changes. They take time, and also, pitchers used to stay in unless and until they started getting shelled. Some guy’s doing just fine, and out he goes? That’s not baseball.

    3. Partly (2), but also thanks to the ‘need’ to allow for television commercials. The game has gotten dull. A baseball game used to take about an hour and a half. Now it’s a good two hours and a half. If anything, even less happens, so…

  74. @Greta Handel
    @Guest007

    I’m admittedly years away from it at this point.

    But someone showed me a clip last (?) season of a Pirates 1B deked by a Cubs batter - with two outs!! - on a grounder when he could have simply walked to the bag. He ended up tossing the ball over the catcher’s head as a runner came in from third. Someone else can go track down the video - it was tee ball level.

    This year, I happened to see on a restaurant TV a popup to the mound where the pitcher (maybe Padres, only watched it once or twice) staggered around for a bit instead of spotting the ball for the infielders and getting out of the way. The ball landed with the 3B who plainly should have taken it nowhere near. On the same play there may have been further silliness that included not properly running down someone trapped between second and third; if not, I’m thinking of yet another that would have led to scorn among church league softball players.

    Anecdotal, sure. But I honestly don’t remember such poor play when I was a fan.

    The pitching is faster because it has to be when anything but a strikeout might go over the wall. The defense players are more athletic, yes, but the talent is wasted because the game’s played increasingly outside the diamond.

    Replies: @Guest007

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact. And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.
    The shift has increased the ability of the defense to limit singles and smaller parks make doubles and triples harder to get. One of the things that has hurt pitching is moving the seats closer to homeplate and thus, there are fewer outs due to caught fouls.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact.

    That is correct. Increasingly it makes more sense to swing for the fences since it is unlikely you will get batted in even if you get to third. All or nothing.

    I just saw this in the Sox game today. A power hitter was straight up showing all in and he crushed it.

    MLB is kind of wack because of this. Defense is tight until some power hitter breaks the score with a home run. In women's softball they get excited over singles because they are more likely to move them in with follow up hitters.

    And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.

    There is a simple solution to the pitching which is to stop playing so many damn games.

    But baseball dorks like Steve freak out over any such talk since it would mess with the stats.

    7 innings and 3 games per week. Everyone can rely on their main pitcher.

    Replies: @Guest007

  75. @Ron Mexico
    @prosa123

    I'd rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I’d rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.

    In the GAF Viewmaster.

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's Jodie Foster at 0:18.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  76. @Pixo
    @anonymous

    Wow you’ve right! He looks Jewish and is from Buffalo, but he’s a true Scots-Irish.

    Here he is as a young hunk

    https://d1l18ops95qbzp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/2020/02/12132723/SB-B1-d21-002-809x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Abercrombie and Fist.

  77. @John Johnson
    @Polistra

    0 for 8? Another perplexing question. Are there negroes in Israel now?

    Not sure about that case but there have been Ethiopian Jews in Israel for years.

    The Israeli Jews basically don't want them but they technically qualify. The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    A very politically incorrect subject that our MSM wouldn't dare investigate just as they don't like reporting on how effective the Israeli wall has been.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @kaganovitch

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    No I'm talking about Ethiopian Jews.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=59484ece67b8

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn't want them there.

    When the law was written they weren't imagining Ethiopians.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  78. @Justvisiting
    @John Johnson


    I’d put the better arm in left because of plays like this one. More balls go to left field. Fast guy in center still makes sense. I think the ideal is a left hander in right.
     
    Baseball uses the shift in the infield--including moving their best infielders to the spot where they think it most likely to get the batted ball for a particular hitter.

    However they have not moved around the outfielders batter by batter--maybe they should.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Baseball uses the shift in the infield–including moving their best infielders to the spot where they think it most likely to get the batted ball for a particular hitter.

    Yea I’m aware of that but they can only move them so much and it works better in junior leagues. A decent batter can aim for a gap in the MLB. In junior leagues and softball they will move them in for someone they know that isn’t going to crack it. In MLB they can all potentially crack it.

    However they have not moved around the outfielders batter by batter–maybe they should.

    Would be too much running.

    You put the right hander in right field to stretch for a hit going down the right side.

    I said that wrong previously. You basically want the glove on the foul line.

  79. anon[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    Here's the thing. The"Men" of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don't go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many "Men" of Unz are either lunatics - well, yeah - or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that's due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Polistra, @anon, @John Johnson

    The greatest thing that ever happened to me occurred when someone thought I might be gay. Here’s the tale:

    I was working as a waiter in a seafood restaurant that was sort of upscale for the time. We had a receptionist/cashier who would have been Playmate of the Month if Heffner had seen her, and naturally I never spoke to her since I figured she was way out of my league. One night at end of shift I was folding napkins in the back room when a waitress in her mid-50’s came in and said, “Are you gay?” I was somewhat offended. She said, “well Ken’s gay” (Ken, another waiter, used to brag about how many men he’d “done” each weekend). After my denial, she said, “well, Christy likes you.”

    Years ago I saw an interview with some musician who had dated Pamela Anderson. He said something like, “there’s no way I can describe to you what the sex was like – I just never wanted to stop.” It was like that.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @anon

    Show me a Playmate of the Month if Hef had seen her and I'll show you a guy who's tired of ****ing her.

  80. @kaganovitch
    @John Johnson

    The Israeli government has played all kinds of games to keep them out or send them home.

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    No I’m talking about Ethiopian Jews.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=59484ece67b8

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn’t want them there.

    When the law was written they weren’t imagining Ethiopians.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @John Johnson

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn’t want them there.
    When the law was written they weren’t imagining Ethiopians.


    While the Jewish status of the Beta Israel had its supporters in the rabbinate, most prominently R. Ovadia Yosef, it was far from universal. The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I'm not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  81. @prosa123
    Here's the thing. The"Men" of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don't go around hating on gay men. In fact, they actually benefit from gay men because they leave more women to choose from, the vegetarians at a barbecue principle.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many "Men" of Unz are either lunatics - well, yeah - or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    As for their infantilization of women, that's due to their lack of success with women. Their frustration at not being able to score with women may seem odd given their homosexual urges, but stranger things have happened.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AnotherDad, @Polistra, @anon, @John Johnson

    Here’s the thing. The”Men” of Unz are constantly condemning gay men, calling them sodomites and such. Consider the recent threads on monkeypox. Normal straight men might consider gay sex distasteful, but they don’t go around hating on gay men.

    Men of Unz? A Rosie sock puppet?

    Consider that gay men only needed to abstain from butsecs with strangers for a month and monkeypox would be gone. It has an incubation period of only 8.5 days. 98% of cases were in gay or bi men and I would bet that the remaining 2% are lying.

    Given the universal condemnation of gay men here, I am very much of the opinion that many “Men” of Unz are either lunatics – well, yeah – or are suppressing their own homosexual desires.

    Ye old “Criticize gays and you must be gay” trope.

    Well I’m happily married and I used to believe in Hollywood and liberal depictions of gay men until I worked with them in the city.

    They are not basically straight men with a few genes flipped.

    Older psychology books had it correct. They are mentally unstable and extremely perverted. It is not “by chance” that they spread so many diseases. They are not interested in monogamy and it is a well known fact that they are far more promiscuous than straights.

    I have also been around lesbians and they were completely different. Depressed and bitter but not out having risky sex with strangers in bathrooms. I still have a business association with a gay man and I cannot bring up the subject of women with him. He assumes we all share his brain and don’t actually like women. Other people I know have had similar experiences. Gays think we all share their thoughts. It’s really bizarre and after being around gays I completely understand why society previously decided to suppress them. They are hopeless and should not be encouraged to act upon their perversions. They are a public health nightmare. Around 15% of them have done meth. After the orgy they go see a doctor and expect some government funded pill to fix whatever they picked up.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  82. @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    The final score was 28-5.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AndrewR

    Wow. Not far off from what is apparently the biggest blowout in MLB history: Rangers-Orioles 30-3

  83. @pepperinmono
    Check out the Giants Dodgers game on 9/3/73.
    This was a nationally televised kMonday night game. I was rooting for the Giants as I was a big Reds fan. Reds were 11 games out of first place on June 30. Dodgers were in first place but fell apart in the second half. This game was in the middle of a nine game losing streak for the Dodgers.Dodgers were up 8 to 1 going into the bottom of the seventh. Giants score 6 to make an 8 to 7. There was a fluke play where Davey Lopes could not figure out where to throw the ball and sort of freezes. Fast-forward to bottom of ninth.Bases get loaded with no outs including two fielders choice sacrifice bunts. Bobby Bonds (great player) comes up and hits a drive to deep left. I am watching and praying that it will least tie up the game on a sacrifice fly. It keeps going and is a walk off grand slam. Giants win 11 to 8. Reds go on to win the pennant but lose to the Mets in the playoffs who barely won 83 games. This was one of the top 10 games I’ve ever seen in my life. Check out the diagram of chance of winning on baseball reference. I would’ve included it but I didn’t know how. Great memory! There is even a tape of the highlights of the last part of the game as heard on the radio.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Reds were 11 games out of first place on June 30

    Amazingly they made up 8½ games in July alone. It looks like the Reds took the lead for good on September 4. On that exact date the Mets were in 5th place at 65-73, 5½ games behind the Cardinals.

    Check out the diagram of chance of winning on baseball reference

    Here is the direct link, which is better because it is dynamic:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN197309030.shtml#all_chart

    Here is the static version

    https://ibb.co/zhQGpM3

  84. @prosa123
    Daily Dose of Laughs:

    How does a "Man" of Unz define multitasking?

    Draining a nut to pictures of naked black men while fantasizing about taking it up the ass raw from a pre-op tranny.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

    Have you fallen on your head lately? You seem unwell

  85. @anon
    @prosa123

    The greatest thing that ever happened to me occurred when someone thought I might be gay. Here's the tale:

    I was working as a waiter in a seafood restaurant that was sort of upscale for the time. We had a receptionist/cashier who would have been Playmate of the Month if Heffner had seen her, and naturally I never spoke to her since I figured she was way out of my league. One night at end of shift I was folding napkins in the back room when a waitress in her mid-50's came in and said, "Are you gay?" I was somewhat offended. She said, "well Ken's gay" (Ken, another waiter, used to brag about how many men he'd "done" each weekend). After my denial, she said, "well, Christy likes you."

    Years ago I saw an interview with some musician who had dated Pamela Anderson. He said something like, "there's no way I can describe to you what the sex was like - I just never wanted to stop." It was like that.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Show me a Playmate of the Month if Hef had seen her and I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of ****ing her.

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I’d rather watch Henry Fonda pick blueberries.
     
    In the GAF Viewmaster.



    https://youtu.be/DAxJzwawc7g

    Replies: @Ralph L

    That’s Jodie Foster at 0:18.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ralph L


    That’s Jodie Foster at 0:18.
     
    But is that Christopher Knight, the middle Brady boy, at 0:14? Opinion is divided.

    Replies: @Ralph L

  87. @Guest007
    @Greta Handel

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact. And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.
    The shift has increased the ability of the defense to limit singles and smaller parks make doubles and triples harder to get. One of the things that has hurt pitching is moving the seats closer to homeplate and thus, there are fewer outs due to caught fouls.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact.

    That is correct. Increasingly it makes more sense to swing for the fences since it is unlikely you will get batted in even if you get to third. All or nothing.

    I just saw this in the Sox game today. A power hitter was straight up showing all in and he crushed it.

    MLB is kind of wack because of this. Defense is tight until some power hitter breaks the score with a home run. In women’s softball they get excited over singles because they are more likely to move them in with follow up hitters.

    And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.

    There is a simple solution to the pitching which is to stop playing so many damn games.

    But baseball dorks like Steve freak out over any such talk since it would mess with the stats.

    7 innings and 3 games per week. Everyone can rely on their main pitcher.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @John Johnson

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

  88. Ouch. No thanks for reminding me of Miguel Cabrera looking at a fast ball right down the middle, as the last batter in the 9th, two outs with bases loaded, and the count 3 and 2, and the Tigers losing to the Giants in the last game of the 2012 World Series. If anyone could have put it out of the park for a win, of course it was Cabrera. Credit him for simply stepping away without dramatics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Dube

    An 89 mph fastball down the middle belt high to a triple crown winner:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjtoh8hlZEU

    Replies: @Joe Dokes

  89. @Dube
    Ouch. No thanks for reminding me of Miguel Cabrera looking at a fast ball right down the middle, as the last batter in the 9th, two outs with bases loaded, and the count 3 and 2, and the Tigers losing to the Giants in the last game of the 2012 World Series. If anyone could have put it out of the park for a win, of course it was Cabrera. Credit him for simply stepping away without dramatics.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    An 89 mph fastball down the middle belt high to a triple crown winner:

    • Replies: @Joe Dokes
    @Steve Sailer

    The relief pitcher, Romo, had a rep for throwing a nasty "no dot" slider. Cabrera thought he saw one coming in that count that would move out of the strike zone and guessed wrong.

    The Tigers had the better team that year just like in '06 against the Cardinals, but they had a full week off before the World Series each time because they swept the ALCS in both years while the NLCS match ups went the full seven games leaving the Senior Circuit Champs in game form for the big show - at least that's the excuse we use in the Motor City.

    Detroit had an even better team in '13, but lost to the Red Sox in the ALCS primarily because of an ill considered change up thrown to Big Papi with the bases loaded while enjoying a 5-1 lead late in Game 2. The series came to its ignominious end in Game 5 with Prince Fielder floundering like a beached whale while trying to get back to third base near the end of the game. That ended the Jimmy Leland era and its been down hill for the Tigers ever since.

    Replies: @Dube

  90. @Ralph L
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's Jodie Foster at 0:18.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That’s Jodie Foster at 0:18.

    But is that Christopher Knight, the middle Brady boy, at 0:14? Opinion is divided.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wiki says Knight was born in '57, so unless he took puberty blockers, that kid isn't 13-4.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  91. Never mind MLB. This is the baseball story of the week:

  92. @Reg Cæsar
    @Ralph L


    That’s Jodie Foster at 0:18.
     
    But is that Christopher Knight, the middle Brady boy, at 0:14? Opinion is divided.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Wiki says Knight was born in ’57, so unless he took puberty blockers, that kid isn’t 13-4.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ralph L


    Wiki says Knight was born in ’57, so unless he took puberty blockers, that kid isn’t 13-4.
     
    Knight has two brothers. Neither went into show biz (and Christopher retired young), but one of them may have appeared in a commercial or two.

    The Knights were originally Kozumpliks. That sounds like a pastry.

  93. I like the question, because it’s probably the most exciting play you can imagine. The Ultimate Hero. The batter wins the game with a nice poke *and* heads-up (and speedy) base-running. Showing off all three offensive tools of a five-tool player. And the team down to its last out. Neat, that it’s never happened and that fans still have something to look forward to after 150 years of baseball.

    If you search back to 1870s there are fewer home runs but a greater percentage of them are inside-the-park. So there probably was one, but it’s lost in the mists of time because the phrase “Grand Slam” did not exist until ~1930s and “walk-off” not until sometime this century. So searching for one is going to be darn tough. Plus the farther back you go, the fewer play-by-play records there are, or even box scores. You are going to be searching newspaper archives for some journalist’s narrative of the game. Pretty tough. And then there’s the fact that you can’t just search on “ninth inning” because any extra-inning will do.

    The most exciting play in baseball for my money is the squeeze bunt, which is hardly ever called anymore.

    I’m sure baseball-reference will say that the feat was done in the Negro Leagues and it was just not documented due to racism. (The Negro Leagues … or “black baseball”, the more PC term, are now major leagues according to a years-long inquest by baseball-reference, the outcome of which was about as surprising as a Soviet-era trial).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Father Coughlin

    Here's an article from about 40 years ago on inside the park home runs over time. They don't go back to the 19th Century because many primitive parks didn't have outfield fences, so the concept is rather moot.

    Ty Cobb and Sam Crawford each had about 50 in their careers.

    Over time, outfield configurations got less eccentric and numbers declined. Kiki Cuyler had 26 in his career and 8 in 1925.

    Willie Wilson had 5 in 1979.

    http://research.sabr.org/journals/inside-the-park-home-runs

    In recent years, some stadiums have been built with weirder shaped outfields to generate more triples. The San Francisco stadium is 421 feet to the right center gap. Angel Pagan hit a 2-run game winner there (4th clip):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhOTqvVAMJo

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @John Johnson
    @Father Coughlin

    The most exciting play in baseball for my money is the squeeze bunt, which is hardly ever called anymore.

    Bunting is difficult to pull off with modern pitchers. Makes more sense in softball.

    Suicide squeeze

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Qm2paQE88

  94. @Father Coughlin
    I like the question, because it's probably the most exciting play you can imagine. The Ultimate Hero. The batter wins the game with a nice poke *and* heads-up (and speedy) base-running. Showing off all three offensive tools of a five-tool player. And the team down to its last out. Neat, that it's never happened and that fans still have something to look forward to after 150 years of baseball.

    If you search back to 1870s there are fewer home runs but a greater percentage of them are inside-the-park. So there probably was one, but it's lost in the mists of time because the phrase "Grand Slam" did not exist until ~1930s and "walk-off" not until sometime this century. So searching for one is going to be darn tough. Plus the farther back you go, the fewer play-by-play records there are, or even box scores. You are going to be searching newspaper archives for some journalist's narrative of the game. Pretty tough. And then there's the fact that you can't just search on "ninth inning" because any extra-inning will do.

    The most exciting play in baseball for my money is the squeeze bunt, which is hardly ever called anymore.

    I'm sure baseball-reference will say that the feat was done in the Negro Leagues and it was just not documented due to racism. (The Negro Leagues ... or "black baseball", the more PC term, are now major leagues according to a years-long inquest by baseball-reference, the outcome of which was about as surprising as a Soviet-era trial).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    Here’s an article from about 40 years ago on inside the park home runs over time. They don’t go back to the 19th Century because many primitive parks didn’t have outfield fences, so the concept is rather moot.

    Ty Cobb and Sam Crawford each had about 50 in their careers.

    Over time, outfield configurations got less eccentric and numbers declined. Kiki Cuyler had 26 in his career and 8 in 1925.

    Willie Wilson had 5 in 1979.

    http://research.sabr.org/journals/inside-the-park-home-runs

    In recent years, some stadiums have been built with weirder shaped outfields to generate more triples. The San Francisco stadium is 421 feet to the right center gap. Angel Pagan hit a 2-run game winner there (4th clip):

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Steve Sailer

    If you right-click on a youtube video, you can copy the URL so it will start at the current time in the video and save us a few seconds. Multiplied by your millions of readers, that's some serious time unsucked.

  95. @ScarletNumber
    I still call them that as well, but sadly the California Angels haven't existed since the John McNamara-managed version finished out the 96 season. A young Jim Edmonds played CF and Mr. Tawny Kitaen was their leading pitcher.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The California Angels would be the best name for the Orange County team, just like Texas Rangers or the Golden State Warriors are good names for suburban teams, especially because there is already a baseball team overlooking downtown Los Angeles.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    NBA exec Jon Spoelstra argued that state names were terrible ideas. He led the New Jersey Nets for awhile, so he was up close to the issue.

    State names suggest college sports. Pro teams should differentiate by using city names. (Spoelstra thought of bribing East Rutherford to change its name to that of a potential sponsor such as Nike, thus evading the league's ban.)

    The Angel name, however, derives from Los Angeles. That city's name is thus a natural fit. How about the California Lakers? The state has lakes, the city not so much.

    When the Senators (1.0) moved to Minnesota, Clark Griffith was going to call them the Twin Cities Twins, and indeed "TC" graced their ballcaps for decades. The Vikings chose "Minnesota" in 1960, though they didn't start play until after the Twins did.

    For inappropriate names, you can't beat this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Filipinos

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up. However, there was this:



    https://preview.redd.it/vb6m2djz10y71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=855dca3183eeda2f642bb63ba9c55de91b1e0c1d

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*j2XCyMMYOrm-BESrNIv2DA.jpeg

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  96. @John Johnson
    As a little boy, I decided that the most exciting way for a baseball game to end would be for the hometeam to be down 3 runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded, and then the batter hits a long drive that gets away from the outfielders so he tries to round the bases and is safe on a tag play at the plate to win the game.

    That would indeed be exciting.

    I'd rather see a last inning in park home run on a no hitter.

    The spoil factor would be hilarious.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Harvey Haddix, call your office…

  97. @Guest007
    @Greta Handel

    It is hard to argue that the defense is not any good when the shift has lowered the number of singles and baserunners. Baserunning and manufacturing runs was more important in the era of really big multiuse stadiums. In the age of smaller baseball only stadiums where home runs are easier, no team can have a roster of singles hitters. The pitching is better and the fielding is better.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Ganderson

    The players are more skilled than ever; but the game has become unwatchable.

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Greta Handel


    Some faithful fans don’t want to see it, but the game is now home run derby. Instead of a replay of a spectacular fielding play, great throw, or close play at the plate, everyone here is fixated on an umpire’s judgment call about whether the new super ball cleared the fence.
     
    I'm an old guy and do not watch any sports, other than the occasional round of golf (usually the Masters).

    And, I have never paid to go to see a professional baseball game. I've been to a few because the Cincinnati Enquirer with the Reds used to give out "Straight A Tickets" to students for a few (would not be sold out) games. I used to go with my HS buddy and we'd try and chat with some girls nearby or play "which one is the straight A student".

    Anyway, the 70s Reds were entertaining and I watched a bit (and heard a bit when doing shift work). And I concur. Homers are not super-exciting.

    More exciting:
    -- base stealer on 1st / stolen base attempt
    -- inc. hit and run
    -- play at plate
    -- deep sac fly to guy with a good arm
    -- squeeze bunt
    -- single with man on 2nd
    and perhaps most exciting play
    -- hit into gap that is potential double with fast man on 1st--possible play at plate or 2nd base

    But that's opinion from 40 odd years ago.

    I suspect the choice to juice the ball and go for homers is part of the general enstupifaction/blackification of America. No appreciation for finesse, subtlety, superb execution. All just go big or go home.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ganderson

    Ball hit into the gap with the bases loaded and two outs.

    I went to my first game in 1961, at old Met Stadium in Bloomington, MN.

    The current homerunwalksstrikeouts fest that is modern baseball doesn’t really interest me. I still casually follow the Twins, but it’s mostly inertia.

  99. @Steve Sailer
    @Father Coughlin

    Here's an article from about 40 years ago on inside the park home runs over time. They don't go back to the 19th Century because many primitive parks didn't have outfield fences, so the concept is rather moot.

    Ty Cobb and Sam Crawford each had about 50 in their careers.

    Over time, outfield configurations got less eccentric and numbers declined. Kiki Cuyler had 26 in his career and 8 in 1925.

    Willie Wilson had 5 in 1979.

    http://research.sabr.org/journals/inside-the-park-home-runs

    In recent years, some stadiums have been built with weirder shaped outfields to generate more triples. The San Francisco stadium is 421 feet to the right center gap. Angel Pagan hit a 2-run game winner there (4th clip):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhOTqvVAMJo

    Replies: @Ralph L

    If you right-click on a youtube video, you can copy the URL so it will start at the current time in the video and save us a few seconds. Multiplied by your millions of readers, that’s some serious time unsucked.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
  100. Richie Allen had an inside-the-park home run with men on base that ended a game (’65 or ’66) but I don’t recall how many men were on base.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Ted D. Richards

    It was August 1, 1966, off of Jim Owens and the Houston Astros. However, there was no one on base.

    On September 25, 1964, he hit one in the bottom of the 10th off of Bob Sadowski and the Milwaukee Braves with Cookie Rojas on base. However, that merely tied the game at 5. Eventually Eddie Mathews singled in Gary Kolb in the top of the 12th to give the Braves their lead.

  101. @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Actually, the 100 mph fastball makes a homer more likely if the hitter can get contact.

    That is correct. Increasingly it makes more sense to swing for the fences since it is unlikely you will get batted in even if you get to third. All or nothing.

    I just saw this in the Sox game today. A power hitter was straight up showing all in and he crushed it.

    MLB is kind of wack because of this. Defense is tight until some power hitter breaks the score with a home run. In women's softball they get excited over singles because they are more likely to move them in with follow up hitters.

    And the pitching has changed since batter do not get to see the pitcher for the third time through the lineup due to the use of more relief pitchers. The start only has to get to the fifth inning or at max, the sixth inning.

    There is a simple solution to the pitching which is to stop playing so many damn games.

    But baseball dorks like Steve freak out over any such talk since it would mess with the stats.

    7 innings and 3 games per week. Everyone can rely on their main pitcher.

    Replies: @Guest007

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Guest007

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    The bigger problem is with a lack of attendance in the spring. This is because in colder states no one wants to sit for 9 innings. Everyone in the warmer states forgets about this. Just look at the stands of an early Toronto game.

    But the real issue is that star pitchers get overplayed. It favors the big budget teams because they have a better bullpen. Small budget teams will get a star pitcher and then try to push every ounce of him. It isn't safe.

    Not that I expect any of this to change. They are currently trying to reduce the season by 8 games which is a joke.

    They will only make real changes once attendance drops. Boomers are propping up the numbers because they have baseball nostalgia. Gen x/y/z isn't as keen to spend $9 on a hot dog to watch a losing team in the cold.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Guest007


    Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.
     
    Probably because the players won't agree to an across-the-board 19 percent paycut. Now, by lowering inventory and eliminating games in poor weather, perhaps their revenues won't fall by the full 19 percent, but no one wants to take that chance.

    The funny thing is that the 162 game schedule came from 61-62 expansion. This enabled each team to play each other 18 times: 9 at home and 9 on the road. Then in the 69 expansion brought on divisional play: 18 games against every team in your division and 12 games against every team outside your division. When the American League expanded to 14 teams in 1977, they could have changed the number but they decided to keep it out of inertia.
  102. @Father Coughlin
    I like the question, because it's probably the most exciting play you can imagine. The Ultimate Hero. The batter wins the game with a nice poke *and* heads-up (and speedy) base-running. Showing off all three offensive tools of a five-tool player. And the team down to its last out. Neat, that it's never happened and that fans still have something to look forward to after 150 years of baseball.

    If you search back to 1870s there are fewer home runs but a greater percentage of them are inside-the-park. So there probably was one, but it's lost in the mists of time because the phrase "Grand Slam" did not exist until ~1930s and "walk-off" not until sometime this century. So searching for one is going to be darn tough. Plus the farther back you go, the fewer play-by-play records there are, or even box scores. You are going to be searching newspaper archives for some journalist's narrative of the game. Pretty tough. And then there's the fact that you can't just search on "ninth inning" because any extra-inning will do.

    The most exciting play in baseball for my money is the squeeze bunt, which is hardly ever called anymore.

    I'm sure baseball-reference will say that the feat was done in the Negro Leagues and it was just not documented due to racism. (The Negro Leagues ... or "black baseball", the more PC term, are now major leagues according to a years-long inquest by baseball-reference, the outcome of which was about as surprising as a Soviet-era trial).

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Johnson

    The most exciting play in baseball for my money is the squeeze bunt, which is hardly ever called anymore.

    Bunting is difficult to pull off with modern pitchers. Makes more sense in softball.

    Suicide squeeze

  103. @Steve Sailer
    @Dube

    An 89 mph fastball down the middle belt high to a triple crown winner:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjtoh8hlZEU

    Replies: @Joe Dokes

    The relief pitcher, Romo, had a rep for throwing a nasty “no dot” slider. Cabrera thought he saw one coming in that count that would move out of the strike zone and guessed wrong.

    The Tigers had the better team that year just like in ’06 against the Cardinals, but they had a full week off before the World Series each time because they swept the ALCS in both years while the NLCS match ups went the full seven games leaving the Senior Circuit Champs in game form for the big show – at least that’s the excuse we use in the Motor City.

    Detroit had an even better team in ’13, but lost to the Red Sox in the ALCS primarily because of an ill considered change up thrown to Big Papi with the bases loaded while enjoying a 5-1 lead late in Game 2. The series came to its ignominious end in Game 5 with Prince Fielder floundering like a beached whale while trying to get back to third base near the end of the game. That ended the Jimmy Leland era and its been down hill for the Tigers ever since.

    • Replies: @Dube
    @Joe Dokes

    Thanks, the best of the Detroit sportswriters would smile approval.

  104. @Gamecock
    Mr Sailer, I have been waiting for you to bring up another MLB thread to bring this rant:

    Minnie Miñoso was inducted into the MLB Hall of Fame this year, 2022.

    His was a household name for a generation. How the *&^% did it take over 40 years for him to be selected into the HoF ?????

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Minnie Minoso does have a racehorse named after him. A racehorse Minoso could probably outrun, but still …

  105. @Ralph L
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wiki says Knight was born in '57, so unless he took puberty blockers, that kid isn't 13-4.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wiki says Knight was born in ’57, so unless he took puberty blockers, that kid isn’t 13-4.

    Knight has two brothers. Neither went into show biz (and Christopher retired young), but one of them may have appeared in a commercial or two.

    The Knights were originally Kozumpliks. That sounds like a pastry.

  106. It only tied a game but the most bizarre, improbable homer I can recall was Rick Camp’s immortal 18th inning shot on July 4, er July 5. The Braves had no players left to pinch hit, and it was Camp’s only career homer to go with an .074 swatmark

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2013/04/26/rick-camp-game-mets-braves-1985-atlanta

    I was still watching on TV, this game was impossible to turn off. The latest ending ever to an MLB game (4 AM) — followed as promised by fireworks, which did not please the neighbors

    As far as inside the parkers, I was at a Cardinals game where Expo catcher Barry Foote attempted to become possibly the slowest player ever to get one, but ran out of gas about halfway past third.

  107. The game has substantially declined

    I detest the extra-innings “ghost-runner” or whatever you call it, but have to grudgingly admit it brings back some small ball to the game. After nine encouraging innings the Pirates are dead meat in these games because they are so bad at the required fundamentals

  108. @John Johnson
    @kaganovitch

    The Israeli government is who brought them there in the first place. Perhaps you are confusing them with Sudanese refugees?

    No I'm talking about Ethiopian Jews.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=59484ece67b8

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn't want them there.

    When the law was written they weren't imagining Ethiopians.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn’t want them there.
    When the law was written they weren’t imagining Ethiopians.

    While the Jewish status of the Beta Israel had its supporters in the rabbinate, most prominently R. Ovadia Yosef, it was far from universal. The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I’m not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @kaganovitch

    The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I’m not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    The Ethiopians were also bringing themselves and still do.

    They tend to show up when there is instability in Ethiopia which is quite often. Israel isn't that far and some of them have walked. Beta Israel is in NE Ethiopia. They can just hop a boat in the red sea.

    Obviously the Israeli government isn't thrilled with them if they were caught trying to sterilize some of the women.

    But more importantly Israel is a democracy with competing interests. There are Jews that welcome the Ethiopians and Jews that want them to stay in Ethiopia. I really don't care. What annoys me is that our MSM gives their own liberal spin on immigration and tries to depict any opposition as merely from ignorant rayciss Whites. Israel and the Ethiopian conflict is an example that disrupts the narrative. They don't like talking about cases of non-Whites wanting immigration restrictions. Mexico's strict border with Guatemala is never discussed for similar reasons.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  109. @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    The California Angels would be the best name for the Orange County team, just like Texas Rangers or the Golden State Warriors are good names for suburban teams, especially because there is already a baseball team overlooking downtown Los Angeles.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    NBA exec Jon Spoelstra argued that state names were terrible ideas. He led the New Jersey Nets for awhile, so he was up close to the issue.

    State names suggest college sports. Pro teams should differentiate by using city names. (Spoelstra thought of bribing East Rutherford to change its name to that of a potential sponsor such as Nike, thus evading the league’s ban.)

    The Angel name, however, derives from Los Angeles. That city’s name is thus a natural fit. How about the California Lakers? The state has lakes, the city not so much.

    When the Senators (1.0) moved to Minnesota, Clark Griffith was going to call them the Twin Cities Twins, and indeed “TC” graced their ballcaps for decades. The Vikings chose “Minnesota” in 1960, though they didn’t start play until after the Twins did.

    For inappropriate names, you can’t beat this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Filipinos

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up. However, there was this:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up.

    The 'Zulus' was a nickname for the 'Alleghenys' who later became the present day 'Pirates'. Evidently they were so named because their then eyesore uniforms resembled Zulu colors/flag or something.

    "May 11, 1889, Pittsburgh v. Chicago, at Chicago: “The modest gray shirt and trousers worn by ‘The Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] yesterday toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle, but the yellow stockings and cap still remained an eyesore to every spectator not afflicted with color blindness.” From the Chicago Tribune, May 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger. Game date from retrosheet.org."

    and

    "June 12, 1889: “The ‘Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] are no longer the Zulus. They have discarded the yellow caps and stockings and now wear white caps and black stockings.” From the Chicago Tribune, June 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger."


    From https://www.threadsofourgame.com/1889-pittsburgh/

    Newspaper prose was a lot punchier back in the day.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  110. The state has lakes, the city not so much.

    We can pretend they’re named for the La Brea tar lakes. I’m not gonna touch why.

  111. @Guest007
    @John Johnson

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    The bigger problem is with a lack of attendance in the spring. This is because in colder states no one wants to sit for 9 innings. Everyone in the warmer states forgets about this. Just look at the stands of an early Toronto game.

    But the real issue is that star pitchers get overplayed. It favors the big budget teams because they have a better bullpen. Small budget teams will get a star pitcher and then try to push every ounce of him. It isn’t safe.

    Not that I expect any of this to change. They are currently trying to reduce the season by 8 games which is a joke.

    They will only make real changes once attendance drops. Boomers are propping up the numbers because they have baseball nostalgia. Gen x/y/z isn’t as keen to spend \$9 on a hot dog to watch a losing team in the cold.

  112. @kaganovitch
    @John Johnson

    The government let them in because of right to return it but also doesn’t want them there.
    When the law was written they weren’t imagining Ethiopians.


    While the Jewish status of the Beta Israel had its supporters in the rabbinate, most prominently R. Ovadia Yosef, it was far from universal. The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I'm not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I’m not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    The Ethiopians were also bringing themselves and still do.

    They tend to show up when there is instability in Ethiopia which is quite often. Israel isn’t that far and some of them have walked. Beta Israel is in NE Ethiopia. They can just hop a boat in the red sea.

    Obviously the Israeli government isn’t thrilled with them if they were caught trying to sterilize some of the women.

    But more importantly Israel is a democracy with competing interests. There are Jews that welcome the Ethiopians and Jews that want them to stay in Ethiopia. I really don’t care. What annoys me is that our MSM gives their own liberal spin on immigration and tries to depict any opposition as merely from ignorant rayciss Whites. Israel and the Ethiopian conflict is an example that disrupts the narrative. They don’t like talking about cases of non-Whites wanting immigration restrictions. Mexico’s strict border with Guatemala is never discussed for similar reasons.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @John Johnson

    Obviously the Israeli government isn’t thrilled with them if they were caught trying to sterilize some of the women.

    Depo-P. is a birth control shot, not sterilization. It's effective for around 3 months. It's the kind of thing that happens when you have encounters between secular leftish nurses and pastoral nomads that don't speak a common language. I don't think a massive govt. plot is indicated. I largely agree with your last paragraph.

  113. @John Johnson
    @kaganovitch

    The Israeli govt. could easily have sat on its hands and not organized airlifts to bring the Ethiopians to Israel. I’m not sure what the linked article is supposed to demonstrate. If some Ethiopian women were given Depo-P. shots b4 coming to Israel then..?

    The Ethiopians were also bringing themselves and still do.

    They tend to show up when there is instability in Ethiopia which is quite often. Israel isn't that far and some of them have walked. Beta Israel is in NE Ethiopia. They can just hop a boat in the red sea.

    Obviously the Israeli government isn't thrilled with them if they were caught trying to sterilize some of the women.

    But more importantly Israel is a democracy with competing interests. There are Jews that welcome the Ethiopians and Jews that want them to stay in Ethiopia. I really don't care. What annoys me is that our MSM gives their own liberal spin on immigration and tries to depict any opposition as merely from ignorant rayciss Whites. Israel and the Ethiopian conflict is an example that disrupts the narrative. They don't like talking about cases of non-Whites wanting immigration restrictions. Mexico's strict border with Guatemala is never discussed for similar reasons.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Obviously the Israeli government isn’t thrilled with them if they were caught trying to sterilize some of the women.

    Depo-P. is a birth control shot, not sterilization. It’s effective for around 3 months. It’s the kind of thing that happens when you have encounters between secular leftish nurses and pastoral nomads that don’t speak a common language. I don’t think a massive govt. plot is indicated. I largely agree with your last paragraph.

  114. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    NBA exec Jon Spoelstra argued that state names were terrible ideas. He led the New Jersey Nets for awhile, so he was up close to the issue.

    State names suggest college sports. Pro teams should differentiate by using city names. (Spoelstra thought of bribing East Rutherford to change its name to that of a potential sponsor such as Nike, thus evading the league's ban.)

    The Angel name, however, derives from Los Angeles. That city's name is thus a natural fit. How about the California Lakers? The state has lakes, the city not so much.

    When the Senators (1.0) moved to Minnesota, Clark Griffith was going to call them the Twin Cities Twins, and indeed "TC" graced their ballcaps for decades. The Vikings chose "Minnesota" in 1960, though they didn't start play until after the Twins did.

    For inappropriate names, you can't beat this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Filipinos

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up. However, there was this:



    https://preview.redd.it/vb6m2djz10y71.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=855dca3183eeda2f642bb63ba9c55de91b1e0c1d

    https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*j2XCyMMYOrm-BESrNIv2DA.jpeg

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up.

    The ‘Zulus’ was a nickname for the ‘Alleghenys’ who later became the present day ‘Pirates’. Evidently they were so named because their then eyesore uniforms resembled Zulu colors/flag or something.

    “May 11, 1889, Pittsburgh v. Chicago, at Chicago: “The modest gray shirt and trousers worn by ‘The Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] yesterday toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle, but the yellow stockings and cap still remained an eyesore to every spectator not afflicted with color blindness.” From the Chicago Tribune, May 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger. Game date from retrosheet.org.”

    and

    “June 12, 1889: “The ‘Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] are no longer the Zulus. They have discarded the yellow caps and stockings and now wear white caps and black stockings.” From the Chicago Tribune, June 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger.”

    From https://www.threadsofourgame.com/1889-pittsburgh/

    Newspaper prose was a lot punchier back in the day.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @kaganovitch


    toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle...
     
    Is iSteve the 21st-century edition of the dime museum?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  115. @Hapalong Cassidy
    If a team is ahead 2 or 3 runs and the bases are loaded in the 9th, they would likely walk in a run if the batter is a slugger, and depending on whose next in the lineup.

    Replies: @Catdompanj

    Sluggers usually don’t hit inside the park homeruns. It’s usually, speedsters.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Catdompanj

    Guys who hit a lot of triples sometime go all the way.

    Replies: @Catdompanj

  116. @Catdompanj
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Sluggers usually don't hit inside the park homeruns. It's usually, speedsters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Guys who hit a lot of triples sometime go all the way.

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
    @Steve Sailer

    Aaaaand sluggers usually don't hit triples either. As was my point about sluggers not a likely candidate for an inside the park homerun. Next time just hit the "agree" button. ;-)

  117. @Joe Dokes
    @Steve Sailer

    The relief pitcher, Romo, had a rep for throwing a nasty "no dot" slider. Cabrera thought he saw one coming in that count that would move out of the strike zone and guessed wrong.

    The Tigers had the better team that year just like in '06 against the Cardinals, but they had a full week off before the World Series each time because they swept the ALCS in both years while the NLCS match ups went the full seven games leaving the Senior Circuit Champs in game form for the big show - at least that's the excuse we use in the Motor City.

    Detroit had an even better team in '13, but lost to the Red Sox in the ALCS primarily because of an ill considered change up thrown to Big Papi with the bases loaded while enjoying a 5-1 lead late in Game 2. The series came to its ignominious end in Game 5 with Prince Fielder floundering like a beached whale while trying to get back to third base near the end of the game. That ended the Jimmy Leland era and its been down hill for the Tigers ever since.

    Replies: @Dube

    Thanks, the best of the Detroit sportswriters would smile approval.

  118. @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    I once saw the Pittsburgh Zulus in a reference book, but could never follow up.

    The 'Zulus' was a nickname for the 'Alleghenys' who later became the present day 'Pirates'. Evidently they were so named because their then eyesore uniforms resembled Zulu colors/flag or something.

    "May 11, 1889, Pittsburgh v. Chicago, at Chicago: “The modest gray shirt and trousers worn by ‘The Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] yesterday toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle, but the yellow stockings and cap still remained an eyesore to every spectator not afflicted with color blindness.” From the Chicago Tribune, May 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger. Game date from retrosheet.org."

    and

    "June 12, 1889: “The ‘Zulus’ [i.e., Pittsburgh] are no longer the Zulus. They have discarded the yellow caps and stockings and now wear white caps and black stockings.” From the Chicago Tribune, June 12, 1889. Research from Richard Hershberger."


    From https://www.threadsofourgame.com/1889-pittsburgh/

    Newspaper prose was a lot punchier back in the day.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle…

    Is iSteve the 21st-century edition of the dime museum?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is iSteve the 21st-century edition of the dime museum?

    Inflation being what it is, that would be the $3.25 museum today. Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, though.

  119. @Ted D. Richards
    Richie Allen had an inside-the-park home run with men on base that ended a game ('65 or '66) but I don't recall how many men were on base.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    It was August 1, 1966, off of Jim Owens and the Houston Astros. However, there was no one on base.

    On September 25, 1964, he hit one in the bottom of the 10th off of Bob Sadowski and the Milwaukee Braves with Cookie Rojas on base. However, that merely tied the game at 5. Eventually Eddie Mathews singled in Gary Kolb in the top of the 12th to give the Braves their lead.

  120. Has there ever been a two out in the bottom of the ninth game-winning inside the park grand slam in big league baseball history? The closest thing I can find is on July 25, 1956

    Coming in a close second would be September 26, 1980. Ben Oglivie hit one in the top of the 9th with 1 out to give the Milwaukee Brewers a 9-7 lead over the Oakland Athletics. As the A’s manager at the time was Billy Martin, I can just imagine what he was thinking, especially since they were up 7-2 after 4 innings.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    @kaganovitch


    toned down the Dime Museum style of their regulation costume a trifle...
     
    Is iSteve the 21st-century edition of the dime museum?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Is iSteve the 21st-century edition of the dime museum?

    Inflation being what it is, that would be the \$3.25 museum today. Doesn’t have quite the same ring to it, though.

  122. @Guest007
    @John Johnson

    Given the total lack of interest in baseball in September expect for the few clubs in the middle of a pennant race, taking the regular season to the first of October makes little sense. Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @ScarletNumber

    Why not trim back 30 games and have the playoff in September before football gets going.

    Probably because the players won’t agree to an across-the-board 19 percent paycut. Now, by lowering inventory and eliminating games in poor weather, perhaps their revenues won’t fall by the full 19 percent, but no one wants to take that chance.

    The funny thing is that the 162 game schedule came from 61-62 expansion. This enabled each team to play each other 18 times: 9 at home and 9 on the road. Then in the 69 expansion brought on divisional play: 18 games against every team in your division and 12 games against every team outside your division. When the American League expanded to 14 teams in 1977, they could have changed the number but they decided to keep it out of inertia.

  123. @I, Libertine
    @Mule Named Sal

    I was at Game 5 of the 1999 NLCS with a friend. When it went into extra innings, he told me he had to leave - I forget why. After begging and pleading with him for half and inning, I relented and drove him home.

    I got back to my own house in time to watch Robin Ventura's grand slam single on television. True story.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @ScarletNumber

    Gambling wasn’t legal then, so this is all theoretical, but in Las Vegas Ventura’s single caused the total to go under rather than over.

  124. @Steve Sailer
    @Catdompanj

    Guys who hit a lot of triples sometime go all the way.

    Replies: @Catdompanj

    Aaaaand sluggers usually don’t hit triples either. As was my point about sluggers not a likely candidate for an inside the park homerun. Next time just hit the “agree” button. 😉

  125. Yankees down 3 in the 10th get a walk-off g.s. tonight.

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