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James Hankins has been teaching history at Harvard since 1985. He’s an expert on Renaissance political thought. Three of his many books have specialized on the Tuscan historian and statesman Leonardo Bruni (1370-1444).

He’s sort of a real life Ignatius J. Reilly from A Confederacy of Dunces.

Hankins is not at all pleased by his colleges calling for DEI statements. From Law & Liberty:

For a number of years now pleasant young women (or persons identifying as women, or with female-sounding names) have been contacting me from the university’s diversity office, inviting me to attend sessions to discuss our DEI policies. Harvard has to be different, so we use the acronym EDIB, for Equity, Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging (our previous president Drew Faust, as her contribution to the collective wisdom, added the “Belonging”).

Doctor Faust’s brilliant career in academia was launched by her divorcing her first husband, a medical student, and marrying her second husband, the chairman of her history department.

These sessions are never described as compulsory, but the pleasant young women don’t take “no” for an answer. In former times, I was able to avoid these sessions by pleading that I had a subsequent engagement. During the pandemic, however, there was no escape. There was no obvious way to evade a Zoom EDIB “training” session that one could take at one’s leisure. So I took the “training.” I was afraid that the interactive videos would demand that I agree with the policies, in which case I would not be able to check the appropriate boxes, with what tedious and time-consuming consequences I knew not. But fortunately, that didn’t happen. Professors, then, were still exempt from taking loyalty oaths.

Recently, however, volcanic activity has broken out further down Olympus, reportedly arising from the graduate students, who want to step up the pressure on us. They ask why, if they have to write diversity statements, shouldn’t we senior professors be subjected to the same requirements? (Let’s smoke out those white supremacists!) In past times I would have been confident that Olympus could easily withstand attack from any and all inferior cults. Now I’m not so sure. I thought maybe I should get a statement ready, just in case.

I consulted AI, asking it to compose a 500-word statement that would, following the usual format, explain “my thinking about diversity, equity, and inclusion; the efforts I have taken to promote these values; and the steps I hope to take in the future to spread them.” Under the first rubric, AI offered the following:

In the ever-evolving landscape of education, I firmly believe that the cornerstones of excellence are diversity, equity, and inclusion. These principles are not just theoretical concepts but essential ingredients in the creation of a vibrant and effective learning environment. As an educator in [Your College], I am committed to fostering these values in my teaching, research, and service.

Well, that was easy (it took less than 30 seconds to generate the required 500 words), but the suggested language had some drawbacks. It would be embarrassing to put my name to such drivel, but more to the point, I didn’t believe a word of it—at least if the usual meanings were attached to the cult terms “diversity, equity, and inclusion.” I would just have to write my own statement.

So here goes.

Dear Members of Harvard’s Faceless Bureaucracy:

You ask me to explain my thinking about DEI. The fact is that I don’t think about it (or them?) at all if I can help it. …

Since, however, you require me, as a condition of further employment, to state my attitude to these “values” that the university is said to share (though I don’t remember a faculty vote endorsing them), let me say that, in general, the statement of EDIB beliefs offered on your website is too vapid to offer any purchase for serious ethical analysis. The university, according to you, espouses an absolute commitment to a set of words that seems to generate positive feelings in your office, and perhaps among administrators generally, but it is not my practice to make judgments based on feelings. In fact, my training as a historian leads me to distrust such feelings as a potential obstacle to clear thinking. I don’t think it’s useful to describe the feelings I experience when particular words and slogans are invoked and how they affect my professional motivations. It might be useful on a psychoanalyst’s couch or in a religious cult, but not in a university.

Let me take, as an example, the popular DEI slogan “Diversity is our strength.” This states as an absolute truth a belief that, at best, can only be conditional. When George Washington decided not to require, as part of the military oath of the Continental Army, a disavowal of transubstantiation (as had been previous practice), he was able to enlist Catholic soldiers from Maryland to fight the British. Diversity was our strength. On the other hand, when the combined forces of Islam, under the command of Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik, besieged Constantinople in 717, diversity was not their strength. At the crisis of the siege, the Christian sailors rowing in the Muslim navy rose in revolt and the amphibious assault broke down.

Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.

It’s not just governments and armies that prefer unity to diversity. Most religions in the last millennium have placed a premium on preserving the original vision of their founders. They have had to resist pressures to undermine (or diversify) that vision and conform to the values of the world around them. They have had to fight against spiritual entrepreneurs, whom they disobligingly label heretics, who have been eager to diversify their doctrines. For those religions, which include orthodox Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism, diversity has not only not been a strength, it has been dangerous, even damnable. When religions cease to care about their unifying beliefs, they cease to exist.

On the other hand, when one of Alexander the Great’s generals, King Ptolemy I, took over control of Egypt in the third century BC, he decided not to repeat the mistake the Persians had made when they pillaged traditional Egyptian temples, alienating the locals. Instead, Ptolemy lavishly promoted a new syncretic deity, Serapis, who could be worshipped by both the Greek conquest elite and by its Egyptian subjects. Diversity was their strength.

Many people who have come to this country in the last four hundred years came precisely because in America they could escape racist or class prejudice and be treated as equal.

All this should be blindingly obvious to anyone with a cursory knowledge of the past. It may be less obvious why Equity is not a value that all can willingly embrace. The word has a legitimate meaning in Roman law, referring to the need to correct strict justice in light of a wider sense of fairness. S ummum ius, summa iniuria. The law cannot be strictly applied in cases where a greater injury might result.

This is not, however, the way your office likes to understand the term Equity. In EDIB-speak, it means “equality of outcomes.” Any policies that produce unequal outcomes—for example, an admissions policy that produces a student body that does not mirror the exact proportions of some (not all) minorities in the country—lack Equity. In this sense, an absolute commitment to Equity can’t help but undermine the university’s commitment to its primary purpose, which is the pursuit of truth. In Latin, that’s veritas, the motto on the Harvard coat of arms that adorns your wall. Living up to that motto is no easy matter. We’re not talking here about telling the truth or being sincere. At a research university, we are in the business of finding out new truths. That can be anything from discovering new galaxies to digging up the remains of hitherto unknown civilizations. The number of people in the world who are really capable of expanding the body of known truths is quite small. I’ve been on many search committees at Harvard in the last 38 years and can vouch for just how small the number is of truly exceptional candidates. If a research university really wants the best, if it really wants to discover new truths, it can’t allow non-expert administrators to overrule search committees and throw out candidates just because they don’t help the EDIB office reach its diversity targets.

Inclusion and belonging (I’m not clear on the difference) are ideals I can get behind so long as they apply to everybody, even to people we don’t agree with. Many people who have come to this country in the last four hundred years came precisely because in America they could escape racist or class prejudice and be treated as equals. It might take a while, but they or their children would eventually fit in. In the meantime, they could start a business, practice their religion, and educate their children without anyone requiring them to hold particular political beliefs. I think our university should imitate America’s best traditions in this respect and make everybody welcome too. But we fail when we impose smelly little orthodoxies on our students—in the form, for example, of diversity statements that call for a certain kind of response.

I realize I am not giving you the kind of statement you wished to get from me, and that I have not even answered all your queries about how I expect to implement EDIB values in my future teaching and research. But I think you can read between the lines.

 
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  1. Noticing this parallel and spelling it out is very nice indeed – thx. – – !

    He’s sort of a real life Ignatius J. Reilly from A Confederacy of Dunces.

    (This (ok – in parts: great! – – -it is much too long – sigh) witty novel could not be published in a major publishing house today – and would be loathed in the mainstream from A-Z if it would).

    • Agree: JimDandy, Prester John, mmack
  2. He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don't think he believes that to be true.

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @Bardon Kaldian


    He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.
     
    Point being?
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Bardon Kaldian

    He specifically pointed out some examples where it is a strength. So, your statement here is not true. Rather, it can be either a strength or a weakness depending on the context.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian


    He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.
     
    Agree, he could have made a better statement. Specifically: Diversity means difference and is a source of contention and conflict in a society and often what rips it a society apart.

    But his statement is still pretty good. He explains that societies have prized unity--implying the it makes them stronger and more resilient. And that diversity is a cost--a "luxury good"--that can be tolerated when times are good. Note the word "tolerated".

    Not ideal, but all and all, it's a pretty good statement and pretty good push back against the minoritarian diversity pablum of our age.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    , @Jett Rucker
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes, he couldn't/didn't.

    So?

  3. He could have just sent them Aristophanes’ Assemblywomen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen

    Women haven’t changed in 2,500 years, well except that some of them are men.

    • Agree: Sir Jacob Rees-Dogg
    • Thanks: Dr. X
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Bill Jones

    A fascinating comparison - thanks for the link!

    , @AnotherDad
    @Bill Jones


    He could have just sent them Aristophanes’ Assemblywomen.
     
    Excellent point Mr. Jones.

    We've concentrated on the "diversity" nonsense, because that's the core issue. Our problem is not fundamentally "the women problem". Women are just more compliant than men, so dutifully parrot "the narrative" they are given--and they are now pickled in a toxic narrative. Why mass media in the hands of an outgroup is so destructive.

    But all that said, I've yet to see any evidence that women in the academy has had any benefit. Beyond just educating the talented young, the benefit of the university is subjecting current knowledge/orthodoxies to empirical and logical test and coming up with new ideas, theories, knowledge. And neither empiricism, logic or new ideas are female human strengths.

    Individual gals who want to come out and play--fine. (Freedom.) But turning universities into feminized institutions has been complete disaster.

    Replies: @BB753

  4. • Thanks: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Bill Jones

    Good. Just this one bit of pettiness probably does more for White nationalism than David Duke and Richard Spencer combined.

  5. Gee whiz: all that verbiage, and he doesn’t once mention proper theology and geometry.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    LOL

    , @fnn
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yes, Reilly was a lot funnier than this guy. Or maybe Hankins thought it best to hold back on the humor when writing this.

  6. From his new professional position, the good professor added, “Would you like fries with that?”

    • LOL: JimDandy
  7. Plagiarism. Smelly little orthodoxies is a phrase lifted directly from George Orwell’s essay on Charles Dickens.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    > Smelly little orthodoxies is a phrase lifted directly from George Orwell’s essay on Charles Dickens.

    Plagiarism my ass. That's an Easter Egg.

    > • LOL: ic1000

    Jonathan Mason, am I laughing with you or at you? Sometimes it's hard to tell.

    , @tyrone
    @Jonathan Mason


    Plagiarism
     
    ......No , he just expects his reader to know Orwell and Dickens .........OK OK that's asking too much of a DEI apparatchik.
  8. His reply was much better than one Ignatius would have written. It contained no lamentations about the failures of DIE regarding theology and geometry.

  9. For an academic, he is a Mensch.

    Now let’s see the reaction.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, res
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Twinkie

    He is indeed. Since the reaction will likely not be favorable I pray that he is tenured.

    , @Pixo
    @Twinkie

    The smart leftist mobbers have figured out tenured Ivy professors without admin jobs are extremely hard targets.

    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism versus this guy’s boomer anti-PC jokes.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

  10. Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn’t impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what’s so special about it?

    • Agree: New Dealer, Bumpkin
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @TBA

    It's probably funnier if your personality is such that you can relate to Ignatius somewhat--a crankish misfit who views his own mundane existence through a grandiose framing of his own creation. But basically, funny things happen to him/are done by him, and he perceives/reacts to these things in likewise funny ways. Also, funny dialogue/descriptions.

    , @pirelli
    @TBA

    The prose is lively and engaging, the characters and plot are entertaining, and Ignatius was something a newly minted archetype: a well-read reactionary with delusions of grandeur who still lives with his mother. Many such cases nowadays.

    I also just found it hilarious. The humor might not be up your alley. People may have a harder time agreeing on what constitutes great comic literature vs regular old great literature. For instance I’ve never found Tom Wolfe all that funny (the guy needed a ruthless editor, IMO), whereas I thought Portnoy’s Complaint was hysterical (probably Roth’s best novel, frankly; his latter work got so tendentious, but that’s a different convo). I’ve known some very Ignatius J. Reilly-esque characters in my life, so there was a lot of “laughter of recognition” for me.

    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    , @Leaonard
    @TBA

    Ok, Sheldon.

    Sit down in your spot and I will explain it to you without sarcasm.

    , @Shale boi
    @TBA

    Yeah. It's like The Great Gatsby or Catcher in the Rye or On the Road. Sort of like Zsa Zsa Gabor who was famous for being famous.

    , @Currahee
    @TBA

    Yeah, read it twice many years separated. Same reaction, just don't get it.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @TBA

    Not only is it not very good, it has probably done quite a bit to prevent classical concepts from reentering the mainstream (where they are desperately needed) because nobody wants to be associated with that weirdo Ignatius guy.

    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork---it stopped it from being taken seriously.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @TBA

    A Confederacy of Dunces has it's moments, but as a comic masterpiece it's no Catch 22.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @TBA

    I read it forty-three years ago in my log cabin, by the light of a kerosine lantern, in a rocking chair next to a wood-burning stove when I was twenty, and I liked it. The word "masterpiece" gets thrown around so much that I am not even sure what it means. I think appreciation of A Confederacy of Dunces depends on one's outlook and experience. I think it's great.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @TBA

    "why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn’t impressed."

    Well, as the old punchline goes: some people can tell a joke, and some can't. I suppose it's also the case that some people can get a joke, and some can't.

    -- filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs
    -- Journal of a Working Boy
    -- "Twelve Inches of Paradise"
    -- CRUSADE FOR MOORISH DIGNITY
    -- "I ain't *touching* that thing."
    -- signed, Zorro
    -- "your boy sure likes his cake"

    There's a gem like that on virtually every page.

    , @PSR
    @TBA

    My feelings exactly. BTW, does anyone read Kurt Vonnegut, John Barth, Thomas Pynchon or Ken Kesey anymore? They were all ‘must reads’ when I was young.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Vito Klein
    @TBA

    The verb usage alone kept me in stitches.

    I wanted to find an actual example, but ended up reading the reviews at goodreads. It turns out that the reviewers, like the readers here, are split and either love it or hate it.

    I think I'll crib the take of one of those reviewers and say, if this book doesn't have you LOL, even the third time through, we can't be friends.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @TBA

    In the last few days I was wondering on this blog if Tommy Smothers was truly funny and if Jerry Lewis was truly funny. Perhaps A Confederacy of Dunces falls into the same category, where it is better known for being funny than for actually being funny. I do know that whenever they try to make a movie of it, something happens to derail it, with the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman being the final nail in the coffin. I hear Ron Swanson played I.J. Reilly on the stage, and I can see him in the role, so who knows?

    Replies: @From Beer to Paternity

    , @Anon
    @TBA

    For the most part, it's not that funny because the humor is repetitive. The novel didn't have enough novelty.

  11. As a minor aside, Drew Faust’s second husband was not the head of HER history department. I believe he was head of the history of science department.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @JEGGG

    Dr. Faust's second husband was also her dissertation adviser; for those wondering Faust was her first husband's name

  12. The “diversity is our strength” philosophy has really taken over in the Department of Defense, where I work on the civilian side. This has resulted in hiring minorities who can’t speak English, stay awake on the job or even show up for work. When they don’t show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone. This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.

    The result of this push for diversity in the DoD is Whites avoiding careers with it. On the military side, there are not enough minorities interested to make up for the Whites no longer enlisting. This means recruitment goals can’t be met. Younger more intelligent Whites really are starting to “go Galt”.

    • Agree: Dr. X
    • Thanks: bomag, Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Ennui
    @Mark G.

    Considering the DoD is the enforcement arm of Liberalism, and the rot goes back generations, this is a good thing.

    US civilian and military leaders being disempowered and thwarted and discredited and demoralized is good for civilization.

    , @Blodgie
    @Mark G.

    We should all be rejoicing at the news that fewer white male marks are agreeing to kill for the government.

    But all we usually get is lamentation.

    Why should white men be joining the GD military?

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Mark G.


    "This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve."
     
    But this IS WORK for a black person. They're so tired because it's hard work looking for and then getting hired to positions that offer both high reward and low expectations. On top of all that, you have to sustain the illusion that you're doing something useful. Exhausting.

    Replies: @Slugsmagee

    , @Tom F.
    @Mark G.


    When they don’t show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone.
     
    Pete Buttigieg just called, and said Austin is taking liberties!

    Replies: @Anonymous

  13. Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    • Disagree: Paleo Retiree
    • Thanks: ic1000, Mike Tre, res
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @SFG


    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics.
     
    Negative. He's an academic Rip Van Winkle and an erudite Boomer-poster. His missive here reads like the AOL chain emails I used to get from grandmother back in the '90s. "Did you know that the bottom of a doorway is called the "threshold" because in the Middle Ages, people used to throw straw on the floor of their houses to soak up the animal urine, and they needed something to keep it from blowing out the door? Thus, thresh-hold! Get it?"---you know, that kind of shit.

    But the strange thing is, in the current environment, I think it's going to work. This lame-ass, solipsistic, 20-years-too-late piece of tripe is actually going to work, because the dim kernel of truth within it happened to collide with just the right combination of circumstances needed to bring it to the fore and make it effective, that being the laziness and sheer incompetence of the DIE crowd finally catching up with them. It is a testament to the fact that every dog has his day, and it redounds to the glory of God that He makes even the stupidest efforts bear fruit once in a while.

    There's a plain and a simple answer to each and every quest
    From every quiet dancer who might be a special guest
    In a movie made for TV or a late-night interview
    You might even find them on the young and the restless too.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Prester John
    @SFG

    All that's missing is the parrot.

    , @Frau Katze
    @SFG


    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.
     
    He was born in 1955 so he’s past 65.

    My sister and I were just discussing the other day how fortunate that we were too old for the DIE trend we’re seeing nowadays. Both of us retired before it started.

    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.

    A truly dreadful development.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @scrivener3

    , @Paleo Retiree
    @SFG

    Oh, apologies: I hit the “disagree” button when I meant to hit the “agree” button really hard.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri

    , @James N. Kennett
    @SFG


    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.
     
    Indeed. He's 69 this year, so he hasn't got long before he retires. It would not be worthwhile for the HR/DIE administrators to try to fire him because he will be gone soon anyway. And equally, so late in his career, he does not have much to lose.
  14. Number one tell of a hack fraud “I consulted AI”

  15. As Ignatius might have said, “veneration of diversity is one of the roots of our current intellectual stalemate.”

    Great letter from the professor.

    Also, for some reason this sentence, which appears later in the letter, appears as its own, marooned paragraphed right before he dives into Equity:

    Many people who have come to this country in the last four hundred years came precisely because in America they could escape racist or class prejudice and be treated as equals.

  16. @Bardon Kaldian
    He couldn't say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Replies: @IHTG, @James J. O'Meara, @Mr. XYZ, @AnotherDad, @Jett Rucker

    I don’t think he believes that to be true.

  17. @Jonathan Mason
    Plagiarism. Smelly little orthodoxies is a phrase lifted directly from George Orwell's essay on Charles Dickens.

    Replies: @ic1000, @tyrone

    > Smelly little orthodoxies is a phrase lifted directly from George Orwell’s essay on Charles Dickens.

    Plagiarism my ass. That’s an Easter Egg.

    > • LOL: ic1000

    Jonathan Mason, am I laughing with you or at you? Sometimes it’s hard to tell.

  18. Ptolemy lavishly promoted a new syncretic deity, Serapis, who could be worshipped by both the Greek conquest elite and by its Egyptian subjects.

    Only now does it occur to me that if you write DEI so that you’re not shouting at everyone (a big ask I realize), it means “of God.” Coincidence?

    • Replies: @Poirot
    @slumber_j

    “God” in Spanish is “Dios”.
    DIOS: Diversity Is Our Strength.
    Like in that movie, Cidade de Dios!
    Nah, that was in Portugese. (Cidade de Deus)
    In Spanish it would be “Ciudad de Dios”)

    , @tyrone
    @slumber_j


    it means “of God.” Coincidence?
     
    Well they do have a religious zeal .....a secular humanist Opus Dei ?
  19. “Doctor Faust’s brilliant career in academia was launched by her divorcing her first husband, a medical student, and marrying her second husband, the chairman of her history department.”

    Diversity, Inclusion, Equality, Belonging… and Hypergamy, bitches!

    “But I think you can read between the lines. ”

    Mr. Hankins is assuming too much here.

  20. Pretty entertaining read – it takes cojones to say that these days, and hopefully public displays of courage give others the spine to do the same. I do think that resistance to DIE is increasing with whites who are reasonably successful, but it still is very strong with the high credential but middling income white person who feels they are underpaid and undervalued and want more social standing.

    Like a lot of leftwing politics – and as Steve has noted on other issues – it’s really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.

    • Agree: Thea, Poirot
    • Replies: @Santoculto
    @Arclight

    Partially but most of what we believe are fictional, including money and social divisions. In the end of day, it's not a social classe struggle but personality types.

    , @Poirot
    @Arclight


    it takes cojones to say that these days
     
    You need to be a Nobel prize winner like Steven Weinberg these days to get away with it.

    Steve also once told me that, when he (like other UT faculty) was required to write a statement about what he would do to advance Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, he submitted just a single sentence: “I will seek the best candidates, without regard to race or sex.” I remarked that he might be one of the only academics who could get away with that.
     
    https://vdare.com/posts/steven-weinberg-rip
    , @kaganovitch
    @Arclight


    Like a lot of leftwing politics – and as Steve has noted on other issues – it’s really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.
     
    Excellent typo, bro!
  21. Doctor Hankins still features prominently on the Bruni Wikipedia page, how long before the censors descend?

  22. @SFG
    Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Prester John, @Frau Katze, @Paleo Retiree, @James N. Kennett

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics.

    Negative. He’s an academic Rip Van Winkle and an erudite Boomer-poster. His missive here reads like the AOL chain emails I used to get from grandmother back in the ’90s. “Did you know that the bottom of a doorway is called the “threshold” because in the Middle Ages, people used to throw straw on the floor of their houses to soak up the animal urine, and they needed something to keep it from blowing out the door? Thus, thresh-hold! Get it?”—you know, that kind of shit.

    But the strange thing is, in the current environment, I think it’s going to work. This lame-ass, solipsistic, 20-years-too-late piece of tripe is actually going to work, because the dim kernel of truth within it happened to collide with just the right combination of circumstances needed to bring it to the fore and make it effective, that being the laziness and sheer incompetence of the DIE crowd finally catching up with them. It is a testament to the fact that every dog has his day, and it redounds to the glory of God that He makes even the stupidest efforts bear fruit once in a while.

    There’s a plain and a simple answer to each and every quest
    From every quiet dancer who might be a special guest
    In a movie made for TV or a late-night interview
    You might even find them on the young and the restless too.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You know how many of us tell you that you are much too verbose? This is yet another exoneration of that assessment. All you needed to write was, “I am smarter than everyone, including Prof. Hankins.”

  23. Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word “diversity” at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes “differently abled”, moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes “developmentally delayed”, etc. “Diversity” has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having “diverse” Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these “diverse” people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people’s turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word “diverse” became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted – rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    At least Africa is diverse.

    Replies: @Tom F.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word “diversity” at face value.
     
    Maybe he is playing the fool, but maybe in a sort Rules for Radicals # 4 way: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    Like, Okay, you say diversity is a strength? How is it a strength?

    Sort of a Goodfellas meets Ignatius J. Reilly meets old school Harvard.

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @anonymouseperson
    @Jack D

    Diversity is a code word for anti white and white replacement. So too is the word multiculturalism.

    , @Guest007
    @Jack D

    Bakke (much like Hopwood, Gratz, and Fisher) dealt as much with Hispanic than with African-American. It is the media that reduces all issues involving diversity. affirmative action, quotas, etc to the white/black paradigm. If one does back to Gratz, the University of Michigan gave as big a boost to Hispanics as too blacks. In Fisher, the concern with admitting students outside of the top ten percent was more about Hispanic students from upper middle class public schools as blacks.

    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @MGB
    @Jack D

    Really? Africa? The three ivy presidents under fire for fostering a climate of anti-Semitism, or whatever, were ‘African’? They all have a shared biology but it isn’t ‘African’. From what I’ve seen, women, and more particularly women of a non-African ethnicity, have been the tip of the spear when it comes to academic degeneracy. See the case of Avital Ronell as one especially egregious example.

    , @Blodgie
    @Jack D

    Jack, if your clever idea is true, then why are most of the beneficiaries of diversity white women and not blacks?

    , @bomag
    @Jack D

    True enough, but "diversity" has expanded to mean anyone but a White male.

    Replies: @Poirot

    , @Aphatgurl
    @Jack D

    In Austin TX diversity meant block the door open with a black face, and then pack as many Hispanics into the space made
    Diversity is a well used term by La Raza and their mestizo ilk in TX

    Coming to you soon as they overwhelm new places…

    , @obwandiyag
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it.

    A great read. But obviously, Harvard doesn't want "diversity." It wants uniformity. Of the strictest, most orthodox nature.

    But maybe he had a trick up his sleeve. Maybe he intended deliberately to remind the Harvard administrators of the real meaning of diversity--which would entail, say, matriculating white supremacist students in the interest of fleshing out the right side of the diversity pool.

    Replies: @HA

    , @tyrone
    @Jack D


    Hankins is playing the fool
     
    Come now , this is a Harvard prof. we are talking about , what do you expect ,full Stormfront? ......admit it , the letter ain't too shabby.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    , @Ben Kurtz
    @Jack D

    "Excellent" makes an excellent euphemism.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    Diversity: people of substandard ability and low-level competence, despite their deficiencies, should be given undeserved, unearned high-level positions of power and prestige, merely because their skin is the same color as human sh!t.

    Equity: Wow, you guys sure have a lot of cool stuff; we want to have cool stuff too, but we have no idea how to make cool stuff ourselves. Therefore, give us all your stuff. We deserve it, not you, simply because our skin is the same color as human sh!t.

    Inclusion: Thanks for building this amazing country, chock full of top-notch universities, hospitals, museums, highways, skyscrapers, airports, and a million other things we don't know how to build for ourselves. We'll take it from here... and I really do we mean, we'll TAKE it from here. That is justice... because our skin is the same color as human sh!t.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”
     
    Yes, we all can tell you hate black people. After all, if it weren’t for them, Jews would be the undisputed Victimest People Ever.

    That’s okay though, You still win, because there is still no slavery museum in DC, but there is a “United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”… in a country where none occurred.

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @Jack D

  24. These “diversity” people are no different than Soviet political commissars. There were plenty of brilliant professors in Soviet universities, but they all had 85-IQ party functionaries monitoring their every word and if they didn’t want to end up as a zek in a labor camp they toed the party line.

    The only reason Hankins can shoot his mouth off like that is because he is tenured and probably very close to retirement and DGAF any more. But you can bet the farm that any young PhD in 2024 looking for his first job is not going to be as forthright unless he wants to spend the rest of his life as a manual laborer making $15 an hour.

    The diversity nonsense is race and gender communism, plain and simple. When Hankins retires, they will probably hire some 300 pound, fat, sassy sheboon with purple hair to replace him and lecture on how blacks created the Renaissance or some such outrageous bullshit. Bank on it.

  25. For those who want to get a feel for the cut of the man’s jib, here is an hour-long conversation with the witty and charming Bill Kristol.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Did Bill Kristol attend a University? He speaks like a trade school graduate. He, quite simply, doesn't understand a word the large man says. Every time he chimes in he is off topic and the large man patiently reviews and restates what he had just said, the point he had just made.

    Kristol is like a simple-minded child. His mind runs in a groove. Is this the Jewish perspective in general? Such that he cannot grasp Western history? Apparently, the Greeks and Romans are just so foreign to Judaism that Jews simply cannot use the terms—sorta like Sailer mentioning the Sapir Whorf hypothesis—cannot think the thoughts the big man uses as Western intellectual coin of the realm. Ignorance on display.

    For the big man, following in the footsteps of Plato and Aristotle, Arete, or Excellence, is a moral habit which is the hub of the wheel. The superior man strives for excellence for its own sake as well as trying to instantiate what is good for all citizens.

    Simply being smart about current social theories, mouthing platitudes about what he undoubtedly calls "democracy" and making money—Kristol's Jewish values, apparently—are not the litmus test. He is floundering out of his depth, utterly unprepared to take part in this dialogue because he is, fundamentally, a cynic.

    Jews simply cannot imagine that in the West (and China), thought and political leaders could have been motivated by unselfish, beneficial-for-all motives. This inability reveals a fundamental flaw in their character. Unable to do so themselves—at least with respect with Europeans—they cannot imagine that Europeans have that capacity themselves.

    I've never seen anything quite like this. Kristol is like an African tribal black confronted with a jet engine. He doesn't even know enough to ask pertinent questions. If this is an example of a Jewish intellectual, then Jews are frauds.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anon

  26. Dr Hankins should get Amy Wax’s attorney on retainer.

  27. As with all academic writing, he makes good points but could’ve done so in a tenth the words. Bravo for speaking up at all; but would be more effective to more succinctly demonstrate how these statements are a sham.

  28. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    At least Africa is diverse.

    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Jonathan Mason

    LOL, well-played!

    Seriously, if you do a search for 'country by IQ' you will get a list of 185 of the 192 countries in the world. The bottom 55 are African (or similar) countries, >95% Black. The average IQ for these bottom 55 Black countries is 77. Diversity would be a great thing for these countries.

    If you look at the top 15 countries, 14 are >95% Asian (no epicanthic fold kind of Asian). IQ 107 or higher. Diversity would be an awful thing for these countries. Some questions, to use on those pesky people who argue/accuse...

    1) Tokyo is the largest (14 million) developed city in the world, yet has practically no crime. What does Tokyo NOT have, that western cities DO have?
    2) What is the benefit to the U.S. to allow millions of uneducated people illiterate in two languages into the country? (Get past 'food and music' and you are home-free). Even Mexicans prefer Taco Bell and Budweiser to their provincial cuisine.
    3) Take away 'government employment' and what kind of workplace success do our Magic Americans enjoy?
    4) Is 'Mexican' a bad word?
    5) Do the U.S. new arrivals want to be American? Or do they just want the 'free stuff?'

    Replies: @Tom F.

  29. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word “diversity” at face value.

    Maybe he is playing the fool, but maybe in a sort Rules for Radicals # 4 way: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    Like, Okay, you say diversity is a strength? How is it a strength?

    Sort of a Goodfellas meets Ignatius J. Reilly meets old school Harvard.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Almost Missouri

    All Our Boy needs is a parrot.

  30. There is a statue of Ignatius Reilly in New Orleans under the clock at what used to be Holmes that Antifa has not yet seen fit to tear down as a symbol of white supremacy.

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/ignatius-j-reilly-statue

  31. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Diversity is a code word for anti white and white replacement. So too is the word multiculturalism.

  32. @Twinkie
    For an academic, he is a Mensch.

    Now let's see the reaction.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Pixo

    He is indeed. Since the reaction will likely not be favorable I pray that he is tenured.

  33. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D


    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word “diversity” at face value.
     
    Maybe he is playing the fool, but maybe in a sort Rules for Radicals # 4 way: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

    Like, Okay, you say diversity is a strength? How is it a strength?

    Sort of a Goodfellas meets Ignatius J. Reilly meets old school Harvard.

    Replies: @Prester John

    All Our Boy needs is a parrot.

  34. pleasant young women

    These are the Mean White Ladies, all of them viciously anti-White, all of them abusive little tyrants. You find them in every HR department and every school starting in kindergarten. Generally, they prefer to abuse children but some of them deal with adults.

    were still exempt from taking loyalty oaths

    Yeah, this is a religion and should be kept out of the gov’t and the workplace. This isn’t new by the way, political correctness was around by the late 1980s, it’s simply gotten more raw.

    • Agree: Vito Klein
  35. @SFG
    Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Prester John, @Frau Katze, @Paleo Retiree, @James N. Kennett

    All that’s missing is the parrot.

  36. you expect me to read all that?

    View post on imgur.com


    on second thought, this could be a good defense mechanism. just have AI write you a 10 page diabtribe that not even the DEI people want to go thru.

  37. A true martyr! He’s gonna get nuked from orbit for this.

  38. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Bakke (much like Hopwood, Gratz, and Fisher) dealt as much with Hispanic than with African-American. It is the media that reduces all issues involving diversity. affirmative action, quotas, etc to the white/black paradigm. If one does back to Gratz, the University of Michigan gave as big a boost to Hispanics as too blacks. In Fisher, the concern with admitting students outside of the top ten percent was more about Hispanic students from upper middle class public schools as blacks.

    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Guest007


    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.
     
    You don't need to be that smart to get a diploma in these fields, but plenty of very smart kids are interested in these fields and major in them, at least at the selective schools I've been around.

    Replies: @Guest007

  39. Shape Rotators create Good Times…
    Good Times create Wordcels…
    Wordcels create Bad Times…
    Bad Times create Shape Rotators…

    forced DEI statements, the logical conclusion of Rule by Wordcel.

    • Thanks: HammerJack, bomag
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @prime noticer


    Good Times create Wordcels
     
    What are 'wordcels'? Are they the same as 'verbalist shysters'?

    Replies: @res

  40. Not quite sure I get the Ignatius J. Reilly thing beyond the looks and the autism over antiquity. Does he also pleasure himself with a latex glove or something?

    Sorry for the throw-away comment; needed to get this browser recognized as me again so I can go hit agree to above posts.

  41. Anonymous[645] • Disclaimer says:

    If you want them to leave you alone, this works really well. Bureaucratic assholes batten down the hatches in a panic when they get this. You can even torment them by actively helping them comply.

    “I acknowledge a moral and legal imperative to defend ICCPR Article 2§1, supreme law of the land per 175 U.S. 677 (1900), with which law at all levels of government must come into conformity, and which is to be protected in all civil society organizations. I share this responsibility with Harvard University, to the end of fulfilling inter alia UDHR Article 22, state and federal common law per 175 U.S. 677 (1900). I am available to assist Harvard in complying with its legal obligations.”

    • Thanks: res, HammerJack
    • Replies: @res
    @Anonymous

    Thanks. For those (like me) who would find the annotated version helpful.


    “I acknowledge a moral and legal imperative to defend ICCPR Article 2§1, supreme law of the land per 175 U.S. 677 (1900), with which law at all levels of government must come into conformity, and which is to be protected in all civil society organizations. I share this responsibility with Harvard University, to the end of fulfilling inter alia UDHR Article 22, state and federal common law per 175 U.S. 677 (1900). I am available to assist Harvard in complying with its legal obligations.”
     
    ICCPR Article 2§1
    https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights

    Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.
     
    ICCPR was ratified by the US in 1992.
    https://www.aclu.org/documents/faq-covenant-civil-political-rights-iccpr

    175 U.S. 677 (1900)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paquete_Habana

    The Paquete Habana; The Lola, 175 U.S. 677 (1900), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court concerning the applicability and recognition of international law by the United States. The Court held that the capture of fishing vessels as prizes of war violated customary international law, which is integrated with U.S. law and binding as such.[1] Paquete Habana influenced subsequent court decisions that incorporated international law regarding other matters.[2]
     
    UDHR Article 22
    https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

    Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
     
    I assume the US is equally committed to the UDHR at home.
    https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-universal-declaration-of-human-rights/

    Though the exact legal status of UDHR seems less certain.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

    While there is a wide consensus that the declaration itself is non-binding and not part of customary international law, there is also a consensus that many of its provisions are binding and have passed into customary social law,[9][10] although courts in some nations have been more restrictive on its legal effect.[11][12]
     
    In addition, I kind of like ICCPR Articles 18 and 19. Though there are some pretty vague exceptions included.

    Article 18
    1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

    2. No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

    3. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

    4. The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.

    Article 19
    1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

    2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.

    3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

    (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

    (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.
     
    Also UDHR Articles 18 and 19.

    Article 18
    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
     
    Enumerating the numerous ways in which the woke orthodoxy departs from these is left as an exercise for the reader.

    P.S. Any examples of this being used in practice and what happened?
  42. @Mark G.
    The "diversity is our strength" philosophy has really taken over in the Department of Defense, where I work on the civilian side. This has resulted in hiring minorities who can't speak English, stay awake on the job or even show up for work. When they don't show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone. This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.

    The result of this push for diversity in the DoD is Whites avoiding careers with it. On the military side, there are not enough minorities interested to make up for the Whites no longer enlisting. This means recruitment goals can't be met. Younger more intelligent Whites really are starting to "go Galt".

    Replies: @Ennui, @Blodgie, @ThreeCranes, @Tom F.

    Considering the DoD is the enforcement arm of Liberalism, and the rot goes back generations, this is a good thing.

    US civilian and military leaders being disempowered and thwarted and discredited and demoralized is good for civilization.

  43. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    At least Africa is diverse.

    Replies: @Tom F.

    LOL, well-played!

    Seriously, if you do a search for ‘country by IQ’ you will get a list of 185 of the 192 countries in the world. The bottom 55 are African (or similar) countries, >95% Black. The average IQ for these bottom 55 Black countries is 77. Diversity would be a great thing for these countries.

    If you look at the top 15 countries, 14 are >95% Asian (no epicanthic fold kind of Asian). IQ 107 or higher. Diversity would be an awful thing for these countries. Some questions, to use on those pesky people who argue/accuse…

    1) Tokyo is the largest (14 million) developed city in the world, yet has practically no crime. What does Tokyo NOT have, that western cities DO have?
    2) What is the benefit to the U.S. to allow millions of uneducated people illiterate in two languages into the country? (Get past ‘food and music’ and you are home-free). Even Mexicans prefer Taco Bell and Budweiser to their provincial cuisine.
    3) Take away ‘government employment’ and what kind of workplace success do our Magic Americans enjoy?
    4) Is ‘Mexican’ a bad word?
    5) Do the U.S. new arrivals want to be American? Or do they just want the ‘free stuff?’

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @Tom F.
    @Tom F.

    Here is a 6 minute clip of an interview from a Japanese media team with Jared Taylor, regarding the U.S. and race issues. Taylor was born-and-raised in Japan for his first 16 years. Very interesting and well-reasoned.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAFzvEkWi10

  44. Imagine complaining that the German occupation of France was inconvenient. DIE needs to be called out as malignant and fraudulent, a way for inferior people who do not rate university to receive, not only a university education, but a massively overcompensated university job and a role in presuming to set policy. DIE would never matter if it was just an equivalent to what corporations had already been doing for decades, letting a token minority hold a highly visible low-level job (in which they actually acquitted themselves well anyway). People (who matter) are still not seeing DIE as the death of university legitimacy. Ackman thinks he won. Maybe he did: maybe his goal was to not effect change.

    ————
    OT — Another fine column by Mary Williams Walsh, this time about our out-of-control and out-of-options post-lockdown debt crisis. World war looms. Israel has all but announced that they’re going to re-invade Lebanon. Bai Dien has admitted that bombing the Houthis achieved nothing (but says it will continue, per that one unscientific misdefinition of mental illness). The Ukraine scam is so embattled that Bai Dien is willing to talk about border security to keep the money (to himself) flowing. There will be a false flag. Remember, after the false flag, that the real enemy is our leadership. These people are so stupid and so evil that the only way they know to deal with a major economic crisis is abandoning freedom and resorting to mass murder.

    [MORE]

    Mary Williams Walsh:
    Years ago, I lived and worked as a journalist in Mexico City. The big story then wasn’t immigration or drug cartels, but a debt crisis that was strangling national economies all the way from the Rio Grande to the Strait of Magellan. At the time, Mexico had been governed by the same political party since 1929. A frequent topic of conversation when journalists got together was how long the Institutional Revolutionary Party—the PRI—could hang on, what with the government spending billions on debt service. That left less for the routine things that mattered to people, like the fresh, hot, subsidized tortillas you could buy for pennies a stack from the tortillerias in every neighborhood.

    During an election campaign, my friend Peter was offered a seat on a Mexican press bus to a candidate’s rally, the only gringo on board. After the rally, when all the reporters were back on the bus, a party handler came down the aisle, handing out envelopes stuffed with cash. “¡Sobres! ¡Sobres! ¡Sobres!”–“Envelopes! Envelopes!”–the reporters chanted while waiting for their money. If anyone had qualms about taking cash from the party whose candidate they were covering, they didn’t show it. When the handler reached Peter, he stopped, puzzled, and asked, “Do you get one?” Peter said no.

    The U.S. journalists didn’t take cash from the pols they wrote about. Back then, the Mexicans did. Cash for journalists was just one small part of a vast system of mutual favors and loyalties that had helped to keep the PRI in power for decades. The PRI touched everything. Its land reforms created small farmers. Its commodities agency paid the farmers a set price. Its mills turned the corn into flour. Its distributors supplied the neighborhood tortillerias. On and on it went, in every industry, until seemingly everyone had a stake in the PRI, which won re-election every six years.

    In 1990, the Peruvian novelist and future Nobel laureate Mario Vargas Llosa called the system “the perfect dictatorship.”

    “I don’t believe there has been, in Latin America, any case of dictatorship which has so efficiently recruited the intellectual milieu, bribing it with great subtlety,” he said at a conference in Mexico City. “The perfect dictatorship is not communism, nor the USSR, nor Fidel Castro. The perfect dictatorship is Mexico, because it’s a camouflaged dictatorship.”

    But back to me and my journalist pals. We all laughed when Peter described the scene on the press bus. I suppose I felt a twinge of superiority. Much as I loved living in Mexico City, I was glad that in the end I’d be going back to my homeland, where, I thought, the elections were honest, and envelopes of cash weren’t part of the glue that held the body politic together.

    And now, the joke is on me. No one’s trying to slip me cash, but in this election year, Vargas Llosa’s words about “recruiting” and “bribing” people “with great subtlety” keep coming back to me when I look at what’s going on with the federal budget and the national debt.

    They’re piling up fast. The national debt passed a record $34 trillion this month. That represents an unprecedented accumulation of tax cuts and program expenditures which, boon or boondoggle, we simply didn’t have the money for.

    Example: This winter, millions of Americans, more than ever before, have been signing up for health insurance on the Affordable Care Act’s federal marketplace. This isn’t random chance. Some $64 billion worth of enhanced federal subsidies for Obamacare were included in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, that oddly named law known best for subsidizing the green-energy transition.

    The Act’s health-care provisions will be lowering people’s insurance premiums through 2025, paying for “exchange navigators” to help them apply for coverage, and buying ads to promote the program. The law is aimed in particular at people who got temporary access to Medicaid under a separate pandemic-relief measure, and who were bumped out of Medicaid last year when the relief measure expired. (Medicaid is means-tested and you can’t get it if your income is more than twice the federal poverty level. This year’s cutoff is $29,160 for a single person.)

    So: Should we be happy, because millions of Americans still have health insurance, even though Medicaid cut them off? Or sad, because we’ve taken on another $64 billion in debt, in the name of “Inflation Reduction?”

    Team Biden wants us to be happy. “Donald Trump is campaigning on a threat to rip away health care from millions of Americans,” said his campaign communications director, Michael Tyler. “We’re going to use every tool in our arsenal to make sure the American people know that lives are literally on the line next November.”

    Life in the Mexican debt crisis left me wary of good deeds in election years. Another example: In 2022, a week before student loan payments were to resume after a three-year freeze for the pandemic, Biden announced debt relief for some 43 million borrowers, nearly half of whom, he said, would have their debts completely canceled. The Congressional Budget Office said it would cost $400 billion over 30 years. Lawsuits were filed. The program was struck down by the US Supreme Court—but not until after the midterm elections of November 2022, when youth voter turnout was credited with delivering wins for Democrats.

    After that, the Biden administration salvaged enough of the debt-relief plan to get about 3.6 million borrowers out from under $132 billion of debt. This year, the administration is working to make the relief immediate for certain borrowers.

    “I won’t back down from using every tool at our disposal to get student loan borrowers the relief they need to reach their dreams,” Biden said.

    It isn’t just the Biden administration. When the global pandemic was first declared, eight months before the 2020 elections, the Trump administration swiftly came up with an unprecedented $2 trillion stimulus package to rescue the economy. Then, on December 28, with parts of the rescue set to expire at year-end, a second, $900 million pandemic relief bill was flown to Trump at Mar-a-Lago, where he was actively working on his election-fraud claims. He signed the package into law, but issued a statement calling it “a disgrace” because it gave people stimulus payments of just $600 apiece; he thought people should get $2,000.

    Not to be outdone by the Trump White House, President Biden took office proposing a third fiscal stimulus plan, with a $1.9 trillion price tag. It included more stimulus checks for up to $1,400 apiece; extended supplementary jobless benefits, rental, and utility relief; and transferred $350 billion to support state, local and tribal governments.

    The rescues were a godsend when the pandemic was raging. But the fact is, once you turn on spending like that, it’s hard to turn it off, even when the public-health emergency ends. And while there were rules for how the money was to be spent, there wasn’t adequate enforcement. The Associated Press sent a reporter to find out how local governments had spent their allocations and he found all sorts of anomalies: Broward County, Florida, spent $140 million on a luxury hotel with a 11,000-square-foot spa. Alabama spent $400 million building new prisons. Puerto Rico spent $70 million to market itself as a tourist destination. Dutchess County, New York, spent $12 million to upgrade a minor-league baseball stadium to meet the New York Yankees’ standards for farm teams. Colorado Springs spent $6.6 million to replace irrigation systems at two golf courses. Pottawattamie County, Iowa, bought a ski area. St. Louis, Missouri, spent $1 million paying off overdue child support.

    It’s hard to see how any of that protected us from the pandemic, but it did add to our public debt.

    The United States isn’t alone in this. In November, the Global Debt Monitor—a quarterly report of the Institute of International Finance, a trade group—said total indebtedness worldwide was a record $310 trillion in 2023, up 27 percent from 2018. That included the debts of companies and households, but the most notable increase was in government debt.

    Among just the world’s advanced countries, public debt is now 112 percent of economic output, compared to just 75 percent two decades ago, according to the International Monetary Fund. Much of the increase resulted from three things: emergency relief during the pandemic, pensions and healthcare for aging populations, and programs to fight climate change.

    The Global Debt Monitor said public debt would keep climbing in 2024, which was also going to be a banner year for elections worldwide. Some 2 billion people—roughly half the world’s adult population—will have the chance to cast ballots in more than 50 countries. The Monitor cited the risk of public money being used to buy votes, saying, “If upcoming elections lead to populist policies aimed at controlling social tensions, the result could be still more government borrowing and still less fiscal restraint.”

    There’s already one stunning example of that, in Argentina. In the late stages of its presidential campaign last fall, the de facto incumbent, a Peronist, effectively halted personal income taxation. But that didn’t make much of a splash, because lots of Argentines were already paying no income tax. So, to make sure everybody got a tax break, he offered sales-tax rebates, too.

    Despite his largess, he lost. Now Argentina is even more broke than it would have been without the tax cuts. Its new president, Javier Milei, is struggling to rebuild the tax system while also selling state enterprises, laying off government workers, and otherwise trying to balance the budget. No one knows if he can pull it off. Milei is also working with the International Monetary Fund to finance payments due on pre-existing debt.

    Argentina is an extreme case, but it’s certainly not the only place to time tax cuts to elections. Portugal’s leading contender for prime minister is promising tax cuts for the middle class ahead of a snap election in March. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is hoping to squeeze in a tax cut before Britons go to the polls in the second half of the year. Lower-income workers, like teachers, in Rwanda just had their income taxes cut in half, with elections coming in July.

    By enlarging their deficits, all governments add debt. Bloomberg reported this month that the United States, the U.K., and the Eurozone are about to “start flooding the market with bonds at a clip rarely seen before,” because they’re “saddled with the kind of bloated deficits that were once unthinkable.”

    And rising interest rates are making the debt more expensive. In France, interest on the public debt is expected to exceed the whole national defense budget this year. Australia’s public debt obligations are forecast to double by mid-2026. In the US, interest on the debt is now the fourth-largest government program, after Social Security, Medicare, and the military, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. The federal government spent more on interest last year than on all of its assorted programs for children, more than on Medicaid, more than on veterans’ programs, more than food and nutrition programs, and more than on education.

    The Global Debt Monitor listed the countries it saw allocating more of their tax revenue to paying interest: Egypt, India, Malaysia, Pakistan, South Africa, Turkey, and the United States. It said the trend could affect investor sentiment, causing “mini boom-bust cycles in fixed income markets,” as recent volatility in the market for U.S. Treasuries showed.

    The Fed has been working on shrinking its balance sheet, by selling billions of dollars’ worth of Treasury securities that it bought in the spring of 2020 to help finance pandemic-relief programs. But the process, called Quantitative Tightening, isn’t as straightforward as it might seem. If the Fed tries to sell its Treasuries faster than the market can absorb them, the price of the securities can fall—and that in turn would make yields go up, slowing economic growth. We don’t want that. Growth is what lets a country pay down its debt uneventfully.

    None of this is to say the United States is heading into an all-out debt crisis like the one Mexico had, where you have to go hat-in-hand to the IMF for emergency loans. But we’re moving in the wrong direction. A lot of Mexico’s public spending that was supposed to raise living standards and foster loyalty ended up hurting people and making them angry and bitter. To work with the IMF, Mexico had to end sacrosanct practices, like paying decent prices to subsistence farmers. The farmers couldn’t make a go of it and moved off the land. Some went to Mexico City and ran into triple-digit inflation. Some went to the United States. It wasn’t what anybody wanted; it was survival. The PRI toughed it out for longer than we journalists expected, but it finally lost the presidency in 2000.

    The far likelier scenario for the United States is a public debt that gets big enough to impair economic growth. We’re flirting with that now. Two of the three big rating agencies have already removed the US Treasury’s triple-A rating–not that many people understand how much we’ve benefited from having flawless credit. Once it’s really gone, we’ll miss it, and then we’ll find it’s very hard to get it back.

    Americans have been hearing for years–decades!–that deficits don’t really matter. But, as they say in international finance, this time is different. When debts are as big as ours, and growing as fast, we’ll soon find to our sorrow that they matter after all.

  45. @Mark G.
    The "diversity is our strength" philosophy has really taken over in the Department of Defense, where I work on the civilian side. This has resulted in hiring minorities who can't speak English, stay awake on the job or even show up for work. When they don't show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone. This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.

    The result of this push for diversity in the DoD is Whites avoiding careers with it. On the military side, there are not enough minorities interested to make up for the Whites no longer enlisting. This means recruitment goals can't be met. Younger more intelligent Whites really are starting to "go Galt".

    Replies: @Ennui, @Blodgie, @ThreeCranes, @Tom F.

    We should all be rejoicing at the news that fewer white male marks are agreeing to kill for the government.

    But all we usually get is lamentation.

    Why should white men be joining the GD military?

  46. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Really? Africa? The three ivy presidents under fire for fostering a climate of anti-Semitism, or whatever, were ‘African’? They all have a shared biology but it isn’t ‘African’. From what I’ve seen, women, and more particularly women of a non-African ethnicity, have been the tip of the spear when it comes to academic degeneracy. See the case of Avital Ronell as one especially egregious example.

  47. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Jack, if your clever idea is true, then why are most of the beneficiaries of diversity white women and not blacks?

    • Agree: Poirot
  48. Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality.”

    Harvard will soon become Podunk U under diversity jihadis. Normal elites don’t like to mingle with radicals, so they will stop sending their kids there. They will make some other place the Country Club university.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality.”
     
    You are really pulling for Harvard. Why? What has Harvard ever done for us?
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon


    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality.”
     
    Some professors believe and might even try to say that but they no longer control the institution. The administrative bureaucracy that actually does run Harvard wants as many “special interest” groups as possible because that creates more roles for administrators. Someone has to develop counselling programs for 1st generation lesbians of color and organize support events for LatinX transsexual engineering majors. Every “diverse” student means some multiplier of counseling, outreach and back office staff that need to be hired. Unfortunately Harvard’s endowment is so huge at this point the grift can go on for decades before the damage becomes truly obvious.
    , @Curle
    @Anon

    “say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period.”

    Princeton takes the cream of the crop.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  49. @Twinkie
    For an academic, he is a Mensch.

    Now let's see the reaction.

    Replies: @Prester John, @Pixo

    The smart leftist mobbers have figured out tenured Ivy professors without admin jobs are extremely hard targets.

    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism versus this guy’s boomer anti-PC jokes.)

    • Agree: OldJewishGuy
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Pixo


    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism
     
    Lets see her criticize Israel and her fellow Jews and see if she survives so easily.

    Replies: @Richard B

  50. “The university, according to you, espouses an absolute commitment to a set of words that seems to generate positive feelings in your office, and perhaps among administrators generally…”

    That’s it.

    Words = sounds = Pavlov’s bell = anticipated reward = salivation = lights up pleasure centers in the brain = shared pleasure = membership = companionship = belonging = Us vs. Them.

    So, if you are lacking in the positive response to the sound stimulus then the whole chain doesn’t fire. You are not Wired. If you are not wired, you are an outsider. Outsiders are shunned by the community. The EDIB community is intolerant of diversity.

    Repeatably, in my discussions with liberals, I have realized that words are for them, mere sounds. If you say, “nigger was a derogatory term for Negros”, they hear nothing but the sound bigger but with an n at the beginning. From that point on, their thinking goes into a programmed loop. You have uttered the impermissible “N” word. The meaning of what you said doesn’t matter, just their programmed reaction to a sign-stimulus.

    They are Robots, but flushed with emotion and capable of inflicting harm without remorse.

    • Replies: @Poirot
    @ThreeCranes

    Thomas Sowell was interviewed by Charlie Rose in 1995. https://charlierose.com/videos/16711


    Thomas Sowell: I'm, I'm fascinated with the extent to which words-- we are-- we've conditioned to react like Pavlov's dogs to words. I hear ''diversity''-- Someone was asking me--
    Charlie Rose: Don't make me look bad, professor.
    Thomas Sowell: Someone today, who's a, who's a trustee of a college was saying that they were going to-- picking a new college professor. I said, what you should do is have a stopwatch there--
    Charlie Rose: Yeah.
    Thomas Sowell: --and just count how long it is till each of the contestants says the word ''diversity.'' And the guy who says it, you know-- he's 35 minutes into the interview, and the other guy who says it, you know, the first sentence, the guy who sa-- who takes 35 minutes should be at the top of the list. The guy who said it in the first sentence should be at the bottom. Because the question--
    Charlie Rose: Well, what's wrong with diversity. I don't get the point.
    Thomas Sowell: My point is that this is a word that has become magic. What does it mean. It's anything. Are you saying to me that all black people are alike; therefore, you've got to mix and match by race, that it is not diverse unless it is diverse along these--
    Charlie Rose: No, I'll--
    Thomas Sowell: --dimensions?
     
  51. If Mr O’Toole had not made a carbon copy that was read by Walker Percy’s widow, Ignatious would never have “existed”.

  52. @Mark G.
    The "diversity is our strength" philosophy has really taken over in the Department of Defense, where I work on the civilian side. This has resulted in hiring minorities who can't speak English, stay awake on the job or even show up for work. When they don't show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone. This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.

    The result of this push for diversity in the DoD is Whites avoiding careers with it. On the military side, there are not enough minorities interested to make up for the Whites no longer enlisting. This means recruitment goals can't be met. Younger more intelligent Whites really are starting to "go Galt".

    Replies: @Ennui, @Blodgie, @ThreeCranes, @Tom F.

    “This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.”

    But this IS WORK for a black person. They’re so tired because it’s hard work looking for and then getting hired to positions that offer both high reward and low expectations. On top of all that, you have to sustain the illusion that you’re doing something useful. Exhausting.

    • Replies: @Slugsmagee
    @ThreeCranes

    I was high ranking enough before I retired that I attended some of the same “briefings” as then Lieutenant General Austin. My general impression was that he rarely commented or even questioned a briefer. He was content to look authoritative and no one ever offered anything by total and complete deference and obsequiousness to the three star BLack general in the room. Obama was president . Everybody knew Austin was being groomed to run the whole shebang soon.

  53. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    It might take a while, but they or their children would eventually fit in. In the meantime, they could start a business, practice their religion, and educate their children without anyone requiring them to hold particular political beliefs. I think our university should imitate America’s best traditions in this respect and make everybody welcome too.

    If diversity is not a strength, why is it good for America to permit this (the practice by these migrants of their own religion)?

  54. @Jonathan Mason
    Plagiarism. Smelly little orthodoxies is a phrase lifted directly from George Orwell's essay on Charles Dickens.

    Replies: @ic1000, @tyrone

    Plagiarism

    ……No , he just expects his reader to know Orwell and Dickens ………OK OK that’s asking too much of a DEI apparatchik.

  55. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    True enough, but “diversity” has expanded to mean anyone but a White male.

    • Replies: @Poirot
    @bomag

    Perhaps the book on “diversity” has already been written, by Peter Wyatt Wood. Here’s Derb’s review: https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/HumanSciences/diversity.html

    Here’s the author talking about it: https://www.c-span.org/video/?175127-1/diversity-invention-concept


    Professor Peter Wood discussed his book, Diversity: The Invention of a Concept, published by Encounter Books. In the book, Professor Wood traced the evolution of the concept of “diversity,” beginning with the opinion expressed by Supreme Court Justice Louis Powell in the 1978 case of the University of California Regents v. Bakke. Allen Bakke was a white male who was twice refused admission to the University of California - Davis after allegedly being displaced by less qualified minority students. According to Professor Wood, diversity was at odds with America’s basic ideals of liberty and equality. Further, the concept of diversity had been distorted to insure prearranged statistical outcomes in terms of racial and ethnic makeup. Therefore, he concluded, diversity undermines the country’s attempts to overcome racial division.
     
  56. This is not, however, the way your office likes to understand the term Equity. In EDIB-speak, it means “equality of outcomes.”

    Perhaps the biggest mistake made by getting Obama elected president is that it demonstrated to blacks that whites can make anything happen just by agreeing to do it. All those requirements about tested ability, and performance, and excellence, and training, and experience, and so forth – just some kind of window dressing that whites like for some weird cultural reason.

    This is why blacks believe that the only thing keeping at least 15% of pilots, doctors, CEOs, engineers, full professors, governors, Fields medalists, Nobel prize-winners from being black is that whites are unwilling to just make it so.

  57. Well, he’s certainly opened up his valve.

  58. • LOL: JPS
    • Replies: @res
    @Joe Stalin

    I am skeptical of that poll. I bet most of the "opressor" respondents were specifically thinking of Gaza. And responding in knee jerk fashion to that association.

    An article about that poll.
    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/12/17/dont-put-too-much-stock-in-survey-finding-that-67-of-18-24-year-olds-say-jews-are-oppressors

    Here are more complete poll results.
    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_KeyResults.pdf

    Here is a good one. 64% the former with roughly U shaped variation by age.
    "Do you think that identity politics based on race has come to dominate at our elite universities, or do they operate primarily on the basis of merit and accomplishments without regard to race?"

    Another. 79% of those 18-24 support this!
    "There is an ideology that white people are oppressors and nonwhite people and people of certain groups have been oppressed and as a result should be favored today at universities and for employment. Do you support or oppose this ideology?"

    Your graphic is on page 57 following that.

    Crosstabs are available here.
    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_Crosstab.pdf

  59. Conservatives really need to stop calling it DEI. That acronym is used to treat their fruity cult as Holy or godlike. Instead, it should be referred to only as DIE, as in DIE WHITEY DIE

    When I see some Chris Rufo type continue to use the language of the enemy — gender-affirming care instead of sex change operation (or genital mutilation), or MAID instead of assisted suicide, I physically cringe. Accepting your enemy’s terminology is as good as admitting defeat. Conservatives are unable to break the paradigm of the left, so they unwittingly end up affirming all of the semantic framing of the left. I know we harp on controlled opposition here a lot, but Rufo et al really do embody it when they accept every premise of leftists. Steve, please consider removing DEI from your vocabulary for good. People still know what it is if you call it DIE, though I prefer the terms antiwhite theology or Floydianity.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pop Warner


    so they unwittingly end up affirming all of the semantic framing of the left.
     
    Define “semantic framing.”

    I know we harp on controlled opposition here a lot, but Rufo et al really do embody it when they accept every premise of leftists.
     
    But we have Rufo to thank for removing Gay and thereby making Harvard stronger! Thanks Rufo!

    What an own-goal.
  60. “Doctor Faust’s brilliant career in academia was launched by her divorcing her first husband, a medical student, and marrying her second husband, the chairman of her history department.”

    Don’t forget she wrote a path-breaking historical study, “This Republic of Suffering,” revealing that a lot of southerners died in the Civil War.

  61. “Doctor Faust’s brilliant career in academia was launched by her divorcing her first husband, a medical student, and marrying her second husband, the chairman of her history department.”

    Don’t forget she wrote a path-breaking historical study, “This Republic of Suffering,” revealing that a lot of southerners died in the Civil War. And that had effects.

  62. Bookmarked this bad boy.

  63. I don’t see a link to the article, so here it is.

  64. That’s delicious, Steve. Twelve Inches of Paradise. Thank you for serving it up here on your vending cart.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Computer, I need fifty thousand images of confused anime girls with question marks over their heads.
    Sometimes you can infer what the 4chan shills are about, like months later when they publish "research" about "internet extremists," describe their methodology (shilling and then analyzing the reactions -- it turns out that people don't like shills, whoda thunkit?)? And you recognize some of the spamposts ("does this image make you mad?" etc). A recent one unintentionally brought up by Buzz was of the generation-division, excuse to gripe type, serving two purposes -- demoralization and checking perceptions of prosperity. It described a guy who saved money by living off the famous Costco hot dog. Whether there actually was such a guy or not, you can see how this story's propaganda purpose is to demoralize and/or inspire griping.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  65. @SFG
    Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Prester John, @Frau Katze, @Paleo Retiree, @James N. Kennett

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    He was born in 1955 so he’s past 65.

    My sister and I were just discussing the other day how fortunate that we were too old for the DIE trend we’re seeing nowadays. Both of us retired before it started.

    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.

    A truly dreadful development.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Frau Katze

    Actually, what's even funnier about your reasoning is, well before DIE, my generation and the following knew we would not be able to retire.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @scrivener3
    @Frau Katze


    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.
     
    I'm going to use that every time someone tries to corner me into reciting their preferred mantra.
  66. @Mark G.
    The "diversity is our strength" philosophy has really taken over in the Department of Defense, where I work on the civilian side. This has resulted in hiring minorities who can't speak English, stay awake on the job or even show up for work. When they don't show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone. This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve.

    The result of this push for diversity in the DoD is Whites avoiding careers with it. On the military side, there are not enough minorities interested to make up for the Whites no longer enlisting. This means recruitment goals can't be met. Younger more intelligent Whites really are starting to "go Galt".

    Replies: @Ennui, @Blodgie, @ThreeCranes, @Tom F.

    When they don’t show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone.

    Pete Buttigieg just called, and said Austin is taking liberties!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tom F.

    This is the clown who botched the Afghanistan withdrawal, and gave Putin the notion the same would happen in Ukraine if he invaded.

  67. @SFG
    Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Prester John, @Frau Katze, @Paleo Retiree, @James N. Kennett

    Oh, apologies: I hit the “disagree” button when I meant to hit the “agree” button really hard.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Paleo Retiree

    Sometimes you can fix it -- I've accidentally hit "troll" but was allowed to correct it by quickly hitting "agree."

    ---------
    OT -- Ellis Items makes a film rec. French courtroom drama, Anatomy of a Fall. I criticize American law a lot but everything I have seen confirms that our current legal system (which is really only criticizable now because its bad officers abandon their good posts) is head and shoulders above what British law has become, and each of those are massively better than what the Frogs have been up to since the Terror, and all three are better than whatever the hell the gowned and jewelry-sporting Italians call "law."

    We asked our movie contributor, Laure Sudreau, to recommend a “sleeper” film that subscribers might not have heard of, but is well worth watching. She replied as follows:

    Anatomie d’une chute (Anatomy of a Fall)
    A film written and directed by Justine Triet, it won the Palme d’Or at the last Cannes Festival (2023). It follows the trial of a woman suspected of having murdered her husband, and becomes an unsettling journey into the couple’s relationship. It is replete with somewhat unknown actors which makes it feel a bit like a documentary.

    Without divulging too much of the story, what makes this film interesting is that it is the first real French court room drama I have ever seen. It is fascinating to watch the differences between the American and French judicial system and the rules of evidence in a courtroom setting. (At least it was for me as an American attorney who also attended law school in France but never practiced there). These will certainly appear very shocking to an American audience, especially in the context of this story where the couple’s child plays an integral role in the trial.

    The very paired down production, intimate setup, and slow pace at times, are reminiscent of Ingmar Bergman or Eric Rohmer and I suspect what endeared it to the Cannes jury. The film received mixed reviews in France. But I thought it was quite captivating, especially the part of the son played exquisitely by the young Milo Machado Graner. It is a very layered piece which grows organically and imperceptibly on you. The actors at first all seem plain, but perform this sonata in unison and on multiple levels, and much of what is perceived remains unsaid or unexplained. This was a refreshing experience in a world where we are constantly bombarded with images and movies leaving little to the imagination. (Source: Laure Sudreau)

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Retiree

    You can change it.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  68. OT:

    The ‘Hot Houthi’ Timothee Chalamet lookalike who says he’s ‘longing for martyrdom’: As 19-year-old ‘pirate’ goes viral, how he has warned US and UK they face ‘their end’… and hates his comparison to Wonka star | Daily Mail Online
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12977753/Hot-Houthi-Timothee-Chalamet-lookalike-says-hes-longing-martyrdom.html

    ‘Timhouthi Chalamet’ Doesn’t Like That He Went Viral for His Looks
    https://www.businessinsider.com/timhouthi-chalamet-yemen-red-sea-focus-looks-comparison-al-haddad-2024-1

  69. @Arclight
    Pretty entertaining read - it takes cojones to say that these days, and hopefully public displays of courage give others the spine to do the same. I do think that resistance to DIE is increasing with whites who are reasonably successful, but it still is very strong with the high credential but middling income white person who feels they are underpaid and undervalued and want more social standing.

    Like a lot of leftwing politics - and as Steve has noted on other issues - it's really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.

    Replies: @Santoculto, @Poirot, @kaganovitch

    Partially but most of what we believe are fictional, including money and social divisions. In the end of day, it’s not a social classe struggle but personality types.

  70. @Paleo Retiree
    @SFG

    Oh, apologies: I hit the “disagree” button when I meant to hit the “agree” button really hard.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri

    Sometimes you can fix it — I’ve accidentally hit “troll” but was allowed to correct it by quickly hitting “agree.”

    ———
    OT — Ellis Items makes a film rec. French courtroom drama, Anatomy of a Fall. I criticize American law a lot but everything I have seen confirms that our current legal system (which is really only criticizable now because its bad officers abandon their good posts) is head and shoulders above what British law has become, and each of those are massively better than what the Frogs have been up to since the Terror, and all three are better than whatever the hell the gowned and jewelry-sporting Italians call “law.”

    [MORE]

    We asked our movie contributor, Laure Sudreau, to recommend a “sleeper” film that subscribers might not have heard of, but is well worth watching. She replied as follows:

    Anatomie d’une chute (Anatomy of a Fall)
    A film written and directed by Justine Triet, it won the Palme d’Or at the last Cannes Festival (2023). It follows the trial of a woman suspected of having murdered her husband, and becomes an unsettling journey into the couple’s relationship. It is replete with somewhat unknown actors which makes it feel a bit like a documentary.

    Without divulging too much of the story, what makes this film interesting is that it is the first real French court room drama I have ever seen. It is fascinating to watch the differences between the American and French judicial system and the rules of evidence in a courtroom setting. (At least it was for me as an American attorney who also attended law school in France but never practiced there). These will certainly appear very shocking to an American audience, especially in the context of this story where the couple’s child plays an integral role in the trial.

    The very paired down production, intimate setup, and slow pace at times, are reminiscent of Ingmar Bergman or Eric Rohmer and I suspect what endeared it to the Cannes jury. The film received mixed reviews in France. But I thought it was quite captivating, especially the part of the son played exquisitely by the young Milo Machado Graner. It is a very layered piece which grows organically and imperceptibly on you. The actors at first all seem plain, but perform this sonata in unison and on multiple levels, and much of what is perceived remains unsaid or unexplained. This was a refreshing experience in a world where we are constantly bombarded with images and movies leaving little to the imagination. (Source: Laure Sudreau)

  71. @Frau Katze
    @SFG


    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.
     
    He was born in 1955 so he’s past 65.

    My sister and I were just discussing the other day how fortunate that we were too old for the DIE trend we’re seeing nowadays. Both of us retired before it started.

    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.

    A truly dreadful development.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @scrivener3

    Actually, what’s even funnier about your reasoning is, well before DIE, my generation and the following knew we would not be able to retire.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @J.Ross

    I’m hearing that too. My niece doesn’t know she will be able to retire. In her case it’s related to the very high cost of housing, either to rent or buy.

    It’s become insane here in Canada because of Trudeau’s immigration policy. Apparently these legal immigrants have money to spend and it’s now a talking point. Still the opposition parties aren’t saying much. Don’t want to offend the newcomers.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  72. @Buzz Mohawk
    That's delicious, Steve. Twelve Inches of Paradise. Thank you for serving it up here on your vending cart.


    http://sausageman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/foot-long-sausage.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Computer, I need fifty thousand images of confused anime girls with question marks over their heads.
    Sometimes you can infer what the 4chan shills are about, like months later when they publish “research” about “internet extremists,” describe their methodology (shilling and then analyzing the reactions — it turns out that people don’t like shills, whoda thunkit?)? And you recognize some of the spamposts (“does this image make you mad?” etc). A recent one unintentionally brought up by Buzz was of the generation-division, excuse to gripe type, serving two purposes — demoralization and checking perceptions of prosperity. It described a guy who saved money by living off the famous Costco hot dog. Whether there actually was such a guy or not, you can see how this story’s propaganda purpose is to demoralize and/or inspire griping.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @J.Ross


    “On the prow of the wagon, in an attempt to attract business among the Quarterites, Ignatius taped a sheet of Big Chief paper on which he had printed in crayon: TWELVE INCHES (12) OF PARADISE. So far no one had responded to its message.”

    ― From A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

  73. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    In Austin TX diversity meant block the door open with a black face, and then pack as many Hispanics into the space made
    Diversity is a well used term by La Raza and their mestizo ilk in TX

    Coming to you soon as they overwhelm new places…

  74. would harvard’ve hired hankins if he didn’t have a gay moustache?

    i doubt it.

    sad.

  75. @Paleo Retiree
    @SFG

    Oh, apologies: I hit the “disagree” button when I meant to hit the “agree” button really hard.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri

    You can change it.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    Right. I changed Agree> Thanks. Tho', I don't know if it works after some time. I'll see ...

  76. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it.

    A great read. But obviously, Harvard doesn’t want “diversity.” It wants uniformity. Of the strictest, most orthodox nature.

    But maybe he had a trick up his sleeve. Maybe he intended deliberately to remind the Harvard administrators of the real meaning of diversity–which would entail, say, matriculating white supremacist students in the interest of fleshing out the right side of the diversity pool.

    • Replies: @HA
    @obwandiyag

    "...obviously, Harvard doesn’t want 'diversity.' It wants uniformity. Of the strictest, most orthodox nature."

    He himself says as much, if only implicitly:

    Most religions in the last millennium have placed a premium on preserving the original vision of their founders. They have had to resist pressures to undermine (or diversify) that vision... They have had to fight against spiritual entrepreneurs, whom they disobligingly label heretics, who have been eager to diversify their doctrines.
     

    DEI may not refer to a deity in the strictest sense, but it it is clearly a kind of religion.
  77. It will be interesting to see how Harvard respond to this. Will they go after him for what he said, which was expressed so reasonably, or will they get him on something else, like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, or perhaps just won’t be able to ‘guarantee his safety’?

  78. OT:

    No mention of Palestinians in this rant. I’m so glad this guy has lots of power, influence and espionage tools:

    Palantir CEO Alex Karp: The most important issue of our time is war and peace

  79. Anon[598] • Disclaimer says:

    They’ve been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion (“diversity”) or novel, anodyne acronym (“DEI”, etc.) for longer than I’ve been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous “they” here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)

    It’s only when this anti-white ideology is revealed to have tangible negative consequences for Zionism that “brave” “conservative” outlets like Law and Liberty allow their staff writers to finally type a column against “diversity”. Never mind the fact that what animates most of their readership is the blatant anti-white bias built into the institutions they are forced to interact with every day. (As Steve himself might suggest doing, crtl+f that article for “white” and you’ll only get one hit, and that hit has nothing to do with accusing DEI of being anti-white.)

    We live in an anti-white society. We have a Zionism problem. The two things are not unrelated. It’s time to talk about it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    They’ve been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion (“diversity”) or novel, anodyne acronym (“DEI”, etc.) for longer than I’ve been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous “they” here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)
     
    Thank you for clarifying that “they” did not refer to Jews. Too many people on this blog associate Jews with diversity initiatives. But the opposite is true. Jews are no friends to “diversity.” In fact, while we in genteel fashion exchange posts here, Jews are fighting valiantly alongside the US military to beat back the Muslim hordes in the Middle East, and to safeguard the land of Israel from “diversity.”
    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Anon

    What is different is that in addition to "giving a leg up" to students of underrepresented minorities, all faculty, staff and students are required to participate in struggle sessions, that is, training on implicit bias and microaggressions and so on.

    More recently, not only are applicants for faculty positions and students applying to the university required to sign a loyalty oath, they are required to draft an original, or at least original according to current standard, loyalty document and have this document be subject to scrutiny according to an unspecified standard. This has the first-person-to-get-tired-of-clapping after one of Comrade Stalin's speeches aspect.

    The worst part of this is that we have defacto eliminated tenure for faculty as a means to resist this, which was a bright idea of Conservatives as legislators and governor.

    , @Blodgie
    @Anon

    Once again, we don’t live in an anti-white world.

    We live in an anti-straight white MALE world.

    Why is this obvious distinction so difficult for so many Unz men to grok?

    White women get affirmative action. They directly benefit from DEI.

    So many of you are hidebound to an expired understanding of how the world works—it’s really remarkable.

  80. @Frau Katze
    @SFG


    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.
     
    He was born in 1955 so he’s past 65.

    My sister and I were just discussing the other day how fortunate that we were too old for the DIE trend we’re seeing nowadays. Both of us retired before it started.

    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.

    A truly dreadful development.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @scrivener3

    It reminds me of old time Communism where people were forced to repeat the regime talking points.

    I’m going to use that every time someone tries to corner me into reciting their preferred mantra.

  81. “Diversity is Our Strength!” is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a “cost”–a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.

    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:

    Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.

    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad


    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.
     
    One may still wonder about the "how long" part, but I no longer wonder about the "can survive" part.
    , @James J. O'Meara
    @AnotherDad


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:
     
    I don't know if these words mean what you think they mean:

    "Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society."

    So, diversity is not always good, sometimes it is not good.

    Sounds like a State Department eunuch defending Israeli war crimes. "Sometimes mistakes are made, and we are sometimes looking into it, somewhat,"

    https://youtu.be/M6xyV68KN5A?si=gGSvp8eH_xxRSsHA&t=92

    How much is he paid for dispensing this wisdom?

    Of course, people who believe that "Diversity is always and everywhere in all ways good" are idiots, but he is hardly "proving" or "asserting" that "diversity is bad tout court."

    So, as the immortal college president Emil Faber said, "Knowledge is Good."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    , @Poirot
    @AnotherDad

    Divide and rule.
    Diversity means division.
    The “our” in “our strength” is not all-inclusive. Similar to their “Our Democracy”.

    -“Diversity is our strength.”
    -“Yes indeed, diversity is your strength.”

    Replies: @Coemgen

    , @Bumpkin
    @AnotherDad


    “Diversity is Our Strength!” is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a “cost”–a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.
     
    No, it is clearly true, the basis of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, ie division of labor according to diversity of skill. But it is only true of real diversity of interest and ability, not a fake, superficial diversity of skin color or misplaced gender. This is the usual bait and switch of the wordcels, a trap you have fallen for. They define "freedom" as the freedom from working for a living or paying for your own healthcare, thus arguing for UBI or "universal" healthcare, thereby making you argue against "freedom." Instead, reject the redefinition of the words that they're using.

    Getting into the weeds, the same arguments you're using were employed by the WASPs against the "Papists" 150 years ago, the very same people you believe provide "unity" today. "Unity is strength" only in a time of war, hardly an endorsement given all the unjust wars we've been led into, and most times not something positive in a civil society. To be clear, none of these are unalloyed goods: you do need some unity and much more real diversity of skill in a well-functioning society.

    The fundamental question is whether more diversity of national background, religion, race, and gender actually provides the true diversity we should all care about, that of interest and abilities. And the answer appears to be that sometimes it does- we would not have a South African immigrant running Tesla in the US if it doesn't- but its benefits are greatly oversold, and certainly don't deserve ramrodding down our institutions with DEI initiatives.

    Tough for people like me to care though, as antiquated institutions like Harvard or the Federal Reserve have been obsoleted by new technology and are in the process of being completely replaced. Whether they die from within first or without hardly matters, they will be killed off in the 21st century no matter what.
  82. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Retiree

    You can change it.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Right. I changed Agree> Thanks. Tho’, I don’t know if it works after some time. I’ll see …

  83. @Bardon Kaldian
    He couldn't say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Replies: @IHTG, @James J. O'Meara, @Mr. XYZ, @AnotherDad, @Jett Rucker

    He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Point being?

  84. OT – Why are so many military officials in the West now warning of (advocating?) WWIII?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia

    The Swedish government joins NATO and then instantly starts issuing warnings about the country being invaded. Yeah, that made them a lot more secure! Of course the government of Sweden seems to be largely indifferent to the fact that the country already has been invaded, by people who will change the fundamental character of Sweden in ways that even a war with Russia probably wouldn’t do.

    • Agree: Mark G., Renard
    • Replies: @al gore rhythms
    @Mr. Anon

    On the contrary, if the only ones who fought were ethnic Swede men and all their women starting leaving and hooking up with Germans or whatever, as has happened with Ukraine, then it very much could change things for the worse.

    You could argue that it was kind of 'cucked' for Ukrainian men for letting the women leave the country when the war started. And if Slavic men can be that naively trusting of their womenfolk then surely Swedish men would too.

  85. @AnotherDad
    "Diversity is Our Strength!" is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a "cost"--a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:


    Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.
     
    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @James J. O'Meara, @Poirot, @Bumpkin

    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

    One may still wonder about the “how long” part, but I no longer wonder about the “can survive” part.

  86. @AnotherDad
    "Diversity is Our Strength!" is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a "cost"--a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:


    Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.
     
    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @James J. O'Meara, @Poirot, @Bumpkin

    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:

    I don’t know if these words mean what you think they mean:

    “Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.”

    So, diversity is not always good, sometimes it is not good.

    Sounds like a State Department eunuch defending Israeli war crimes. “Sometimes mistakes are made, and we are sometimes looking into it, somewhat,”

    How much is he paid for dispensing this wisdom?

    Of course, people who believe that “Diversity is always and everywhere in all ways good” are idiots, but he is hardly “proving” or “asserting” that “diversity is bad tout court.”

    So, as the immortal college president Emil Faber said, “Knowledge is Good.”

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @James J. O'Meara


    [...] but he is hardly “proving” or “asserting” that “diversity is bad tout court.
     
    He seems to have not written that because he doesn't believe it. He's right not to do so. Saying that diversity is always a weakness is stupid and unfalsifiable. Historically most people have lived with or near another ethnicity, nationality or tribe.

    Diversity happens. Someone came up with the the team-building phrase "diversity is our strength" and then a bunch of civilisational saboteurs drove a bus through it. That doesn't mean diversity is always a curse.
    , @Anonymous
    @James J. O'Meara

    If you want to understand what someone means by what they write, you shouldn't ignore context. Hankins is writing for an audience of liberal high-IQ college types who do value diversity (or at least think that they do.) If you read the whole piece, it's clearly quite harsh on "diversity" as it is understood in this environment.

  87. @Anon
    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, "Look, we're Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality."

    Harvard will soon become Podunk U under diversity jihadis. Normal elites don't like to mingle with radicals, so they will stop sending their kids there. They will make some other place the Country Club university.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @Curle

    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality.”

    You are really pulling for Harvard. Why? What has Harvard ever done for us?

  88. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pop Warner
    Conservatives really need to stop calling it DEI. That acronym is used to treat their fruity cult as Holy or godlike. Instead, it should be referred to only as DIE, as in DIE WHITEY DIE

    When I see some Chris Rufo type continue to use the language of the enemy -- gender-affirming care instead of sex change operation (or genital mutilation), or MAID instead of assisted suicide, I physically cringe. Accepting your enemy's terminology is as good as admitting defeat. Conservatives are unable to break the paradigm of the left, so they unwittingly end up affirming all of the semantic framing of the left. I know we harp on controlled opposition here a lot, but Rufo et al really do embody it when they accept every premise of leftists. Steve, please consider removing DEI from your vocabulary for good. People still know what it is if you call it DIE, though I prefer the terms antiwhite theology or Floydianity.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    so they unwittingly end up affirming all of the semantic framing of the left.

    Define “semantic framing.”

    I know we harp on controlled opposition here a lot, but Rufo et al really do embody it when they accept every premise of leftists.

    But we have Rufo to thank for removing Gay and thereby making Harvard stronger! Thanks Rufo!

    What an own-goal.

  89. @J.Ross
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Computer, I need fifty thousand images of confused anime girls with question marks over their heads.
    Sometimes you can infer what the 4chan shills are about, like months later when they publish "research" about "internet extremists," describe their methodology (shilling and then analyzing the reactions -- it turns out that people don't like shills, whoda thunkit?)? And you recognize some of the spamposts ("does this image make you mad?" etc). A recent one unintentionally brought up by Buzz was of the generation-division, excuse to gripe type, serving two purposes -- demoralization and checking perceptions of prosperity. It described a guy who saved money by living off the famous Costco hot dog. Whether there actually was such a guy or not, you can see how this story's propaganda purpose is to demoralize and/or inspire griping.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    “On the prow of the wagon, in an attempt to attract business among the Quarterites, Ignatius taped a sheet of Big Chief paper on which he had printed in crayon: TWELVE INCHES (12) OF PARADISE. So far no one had responded to its message.”

    ― From A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I see, I hadn't gotten around to reading it. And a reference to a Big Chief tablet, too!

  90. @Bill Jones
    Meanwhile at delta airlines.

    https://rense.com/general97/B07C540B-9338-4106-8AD3-8B2EFCC14D38.jpeg

    https://rense.com/general97/woke-delta-airlines.php

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Good. Just this one bit of pettiness probably does more for White nationalism than David Duke and Richard Spencer combined.

  91. Good guy. I think they’ll leave him alone. They know when they’re outclassed.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @Bill P

    I tend to agree. He's in the twilight of his career and, although apparently at the top of his niche field, just another obscure eccentric professor in the grand scheme of things.

    It will be an interesting case study. Do they double-down and go after him, as the left normally does, or just imply that he's a sample size of one crotchety old bastard who can be left in his corner til he retires?

  92. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    It’s probably funnier if your personality is such that you can relate to Ignatius somewhat–a crankish misfit who views his own mundane existence through a grandiose framing of his own creation. But basically, funny things happen to him/are done by him, and he perceives/reacts to these things in likewise funny ways. Also, funny dialogue/descriptions.

  93. @James J. O'Meara
    @AnotherDad


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:
     
    I don't know if these words mean what you think they mean:

    "Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society."

    So, diversity is not always good, sometimes it is not good.

    Sounds like a State Department eunuch defending Israeli war crimes. "Sometimes mistakes are made, and we are sometimes looking into it, somewhat,"

    https://youtu.be/M6xyV68KN5A?si=gGSvp8eH_xxRSsHA&t=92

    How much is he paid for dispensing this wisdom?

    Of course, people who believe that "Diversity is always and everywhere in all ways good" are idiots, but he is hardly "proving" or "asserting" that "diversity is bad tout court."

    So, as the immortal college president Emil Faber said, "Knowledge is Good."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    […] but he is hardly “proving” or “asserting” that “diversity is bad tout court.

    He seems to have not written that because he doesn’t believe it. He’s right not to do so. Saying that diversity is always a weakness is stupid and unfalsifiable. Historically most people have lived with or near another ethnicity, nationality or tribe.

    Diversity happens. Someone came up with the the team-building phrase “diversity is our strength” and then a bunch of civilisational saboteurs drove a bus through it. That doesn’t mean diversity is always a curse.

  94. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    The prose is lively and engaging, the characters and plot are entertaining, and Ignatius was something a newly minted archetype: a well-read reactionary with delusions of grandeur who still lives with his mother. Many such cases nowadays.

    I also just found it hilarious. The humor might not be up your alley. People may have a harder time agreeing on what constitutes great comic literature vs regular old great literature. For instance I’ve never found Tom Wolfe all that funny (the guy needed a ruthless editor, IMO), whereas I thought Portnoy’s Complaint was hysterical (probably Roth’s best novel, frankly; his latter work got so tendentious, but that’s a different convo). I’ve known some very Ignatius J. Reilly-esque characters in my life, so there was a lot of “laughter of recognition” for me.

    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @pirelli


    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.
     
    This is the answer; if J.K. Toole didn't off himself at 31, this novel would never have seen the light of day. As it was, he submitted it to Simon & Schuster in 1964 where it was rejected by the same guy who had accepted and edited Catch-22.

    Replies: @Prester John

  95. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @James J. O'Meara
    @AnotherDad


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:
     
    I don't know if these words mean what you think they mean:

    "Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society."

    So, diversity is not always good, sometimes it is not good.

    Sounds like a State Department eunuch defending Israeli war crimes. "Sometimes mistakes are made, and we are sometimes looking into it, somewhat,"

    https://youtu.be/M6xyV68KN5A?si=gGSvp8eH_xxRSsHA&t=92

    How much is he paid for dispensing this wisdom?

    Of course, people who believe that "Diversity is always and everywhere in all ways good" are idiots, but he is hardly "proving" or "asserting" that "diversity is bad tout court."

    So, as the immortal college president Emil Faber said, "Knowledge is Good."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    If you want to understand what someone means by what they write, you shouldn’t ignore context. Hankins is writing for an audience of liberal high-IQ college types who do value diversity (or at least think that they do.) If you read the whole piece, it’s clearly quite harsh on “diversity” as it is understood in this environment.

  96. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Professor James Hankins holds a collection of books from the I Tatti Renaissance Library

    The idea was initially conceived by Walter Kaiser, former professor of English and Comparative Literature at Harvard and director of the Villa I Tatti.

    For almost sixty years Villa I Tatti was the home of Bernard Berenson

    Berenson was a major figure in the attribution of Old Masters

    Berenson’s esteem for Harvard dated from his youth. He arrived in Boston at age ten as a poor Jewish immigrant

    Recent scholarship has established that Berenson’s secret agreements with Duveen resulted in substantial profits to himself, as much as 25% of the proceeds, making him a wealthy man.

    Joseph Duveen was British by birth, the eldest of thirteen children of Rosetta (Barnett) and Sir Joseph Joel Duveen, a Dutch-Jewish immigrant who had set up a prosperous import business in Hull.

    but wikipedia is notoriously anti-semitic.

  97. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Hankins is playing the fool

    Come now , this is a Harvard prof. we are talking about , what do you expect ,full Stormfront? ……admit it , the letter ain’t too shabby.

  98. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guest007
    @Jack D

    Bakke (much like Hopwood, Gratz, and Fisher) dealt as much with Hispanic than with African-American. It is the media that reduces all issues involving diversity. affirmative action, quotas, etc to the white/black paradigm. If one does back to Gratz, the University of Michigan gave as big a boost to Hispanics as too blacks. In Fisher, the concern with admitting students outside of the top ten percent was more about Hispanic students from upper middle class public schools as blacks.

    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.

    You don’t need to be that smart to get a diploma in these fields, but plenty of very smart kids are interested in these fields and major in them, at least at the selective schools I’ve been around.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Anonymous

    for music, visutal arts, or drama, one has to have some level of talent. That usually does not translate to 1600 on the SAT or a great GPA. If a school basis its admission strictly on SAT and GPA, then many small or non-academic programs would die.

  99. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    Ok, Sheldon.

    Sit down in your spot and I will explain it to you without sarcasm.

  100. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    Yeah. It’s like The Great Gatsby or Catcher in the Rye or On the Road. Sort of like Zsa Zsa Gabor who was famous for being famous.

  101. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    They've been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion ("diversity") or novel, anodyne acronym ("DEI", etc.) for longer than I've been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous "they" here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)

    It's only when this anti-white ideology is revealed to have tangible negative consequences for Zionism that "brave" "conservative" outlets like Law and Liberty allow their staff writers to finally type a column against "diversity". Never mind the fact that what animates most of their readership is the blatant anti-white bias built into the institutions they are forced to interact with every day. (As Steve himself might suggest doing, crtl+f that article for "white" and you'll only get one hit, and that hit has nothing to do with accusing DEI of being anti-white.)

    We live in an anti-white society. We have a Zionism problem. The two things are not unrelated. It's time to talk about it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @Blodgie

    They’ve been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion (“diversity”) or novel, anodyne acronym (“DEI”, etc.) for longer than I’ve been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous “they” here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)

    Thank you for clarifying that “they” did not refer to Jews. Too many people on this blog associate Jews with diversity initiatives. But the opposite is true. Jews are no friends to “diversity.” In fact, while we in genteel fashion exchange posts here, Jews are fighting valiantly alongside the US military to beat back the Muslim hordes in the Middle East, and to safeguard the land of Israel from “diversity.”

  102. @J.Ross
    @Frau Katze

    Actually, what's even funnier about your reasoning is, well before DIE, my generation and the following knew we would not be able to retire.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I’m hearing that too. My niece doesn’t know she will be able to retire. In her case it’s related to the very high cost of housing, either to rent or buy.

    It’s become insane here in Canada because of Trudeau’s immigration policy. Apparently these legal immigrants have money to spend and it’s now a talking point. Still the opposition parties aren’t saying much. Don’t want to offend the newcomers.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Frau Katze

    What's interesting is that both Polievre and Trudeau have had to move from their positions in favour of nearly unlimited immigration. They seem to feel the need to do that now, especially when speaking in French while in Quebec. We'd be a lot worse off if we didn't have Quebec to put some breaks on the Anglo globalism that reigns everywhere else.


    This video allows you to auto-generate English subtitles:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_zr9hjGUus

  103. @Mr. Anon
    OT - Why are so many military officials in the West now warning of (advocating?) WWIII?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia

    The Swedish government joins NATO and then instantly starts issuing warnings about the country being invaded. Yeah, that made them a lot more secure! Of course the government of Sweden seems to be largely indifferent to the fact that the country already has been invaded, by people who will change the fundamental character of Sweden in ways that even a war with Russia probably wouldn't do.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms

    On the contrary, if the only ones who fought were ethnic Swede men and all their women starting leaving and hooking up with Germans or whatever, as has happened with Ukraine, then it very much could change things for the worse.

    You could argue that it was kind of ‘cucked’ for Ukrainian men for letting the women leave the country when the war started. And if Slavic men can be that naively trusting of their womenfolk then surely Swedish men would too.

  104. Diversity is our strength

    This statement was uttered by one J. Danforth Quayle in response to Japan’s hypothesis about the cause of the L.A. riots in 1992. No one ever questioned who was right in the actual debate, but it was obviously the Japanese. Yet we have taken Quayle’s words as gospel.

    • Replies: @res
    @ScarletNumber

    Steve's 2018 article about that.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-wisdom-of-dan-quayle/

    Longer form of the Dan Quayle quote.


    I was asked many times in Japan about the recent events in Los Angeles. From the perspective of many Japanese, the ethnic diversity of our culture is a weakness compared to their homogeneous society. I begged to differ with my hosts. I explained that our diversity is our strength.
     
    P.S. I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of "diversity is our strength" with some variation of: "I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

  105. “Diversity” becomes “DEI” becomes “EDIB.” I wonder what’s next?

    Let me guess: The same demographic that gave us WTF is surely working their way towards “IDIOCY.” It’s catchy and easy to remember. It just needs some words to flesh-it-out.

    • Replies: @res
    @Coemgen

    I'd like to see something which worked out to either DIEYT or DEITY. Reg?

  106. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    Yeah, read it twice many years separated. Same reaction, just don’t get it.

  107. @Pixo
    @Twinkie

    The smart leftist mobbers have figured out tenured Ivy professors without admin jobs are extremely hard targets.

    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism versus this guy’s boomer anti-PC jokes.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism

    Lets see her criticize Israel and her fellow Jews and see if she survives so easily.

    • Agree: Renard, MGB, Bumpkin
    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Twinkie


    Lets see her criticize Israel and her fellow Jews and see if she survives so easily.
     
    Exactly!

    In other words, let's see her criticize the people who made up all of this DIE crap and see if she survives. Of course she won't. Which is why it was made up in the first place.

  108. @Buzz Mohawk
    @J.Ross


    “On the prow of the wagon, in an attempt to attract business among the Quarterites, Ignatius taped a sheet of Big Chief paper on which he had printed in crayon: TWELVE INCHES (12) OF PARADISE. So far no one had responded to its message.”

    ― From A Confederacy of Dunces, by John Kennedy Toole
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I see, I hadn’t gotten around to reading it. And a reference to a Big Chief tablet, too!

  109. In former times, I was able to avoid these sessions by pleading that I had a subsequent engagement.

    I appreciated that nod to The Picture of Dorian Gray, when Lord Henry says, “I have promised to dine at White’s, but it is only with an old friend, so I can send him a wire to say that I am ill, or that I am prevented from coming in consequence of a subsequent engagement. I think that would be a rather nice excuse: it would have all the surprise of candor.”

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  110. @Anonymous
    If you want them to leave you alone, this works really well. Bureaucratic assholes batten down the hatches in a panic when they get this. You can even torment them by actively helping them comply.

    "I acknowledge a moral and legal imperative to defend ICCPR Article 2§1, supreme law of the land per 175 U.S. 677 (1900), with which law at all levels of government must come into conformity, and which is to be protected in all civil society organizations. I share this responsibility with Harvard University, to the end of fulfilling inter alia UDHR Article 22, state and federal common law per 175 U.S. 677 (1900). I am available to assist Harvard in complying with its legal obligations."

    Replies: @res

    Thanks. For those (like me) who would find the annotated version helpful.

    “I acknowledge a moral and legal imperative to defend ICCPR Article 2§1, supreme law of the land per 175 U.S. 677 (1900), with which law at all levels of government must come into conformity, and which is to be protected in all civil society organizations. I share this responsibility with Harvard University, to the end of fulfilling inter alia UDHR Article 22, state and federal common law per 175 U.S. 677 (1900). I am available to assist Harvard in complying with its legal obligations.”

    ICCPR Article 2§1
    https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights

    Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

    ICCPR was ratified by the US in 1992.
    https://www.aclu.org/documents/faq-covenant-civil-political-rights-iccpr

    175 U.S. 677 (1900)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paquete_Habana

    The Paquete Habana; The Lola, 175 U.S. 677 (1900), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court concerning the applicability and recognition of international law by the United States. The Court held that the capture of fishing vessels as prizes of war violated customary international law, which is integrated with U.S. law and binding as such.[1] Paquete Habana influenced subsequent court decisions that incorporated international law regarding other matters.[2]

    UDHR Article 22
    https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

    Article 22
    Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

    I assume the US is equally committed to the UDHR at home.
    https://br.usembassy.gov/united-states-remains-committed-to-universal-declaration-of-human-rights/

    Though the exact legal status of UDHR seems less certain.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

    While there is a wide consensus that the declaration itself is non-binding and not part of customary international law, there is also a consensus that many of its provisions are binding and have passed into customary social law,[9][10] although courts in some nations have been more restrictive on its legal effect.[11][12]

    In addition, I kind of like ICCPR Articles 18 and 19. Though there are some pretty vague exceptions included.

    Article 18
    1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.

    2. No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

    3. Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary to protect public safety, order, health, or morals or the fundamental rights and freedoms of others.

    4. The States Parties to the present Covenant undertake to have respect for the liberty of parents and, when applicable, legal guardians to ensure the religious and moral education of their children in conformity with their own convictions.

    Article 19
    1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

    2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.

    3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:

    (a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;

    (b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.

    Also UDHR Articles 18 and 19.

    Article 18
    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19
    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Enumerating the numerous ways in which the woke orthodoxy departs from these is left as an exercise for the reader.

    P.S. Any examples of this being used in practice and what happened?

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ, bomag
  111. @Frau Katze
    @J.Ross

    I’m hearing that too. My niece doesn’t know she will be able to retire. In her case it’s related to the very high cost of housing, either to rent or buy.

    It’s become insane here in Canada because of Trudeau’s immigration policy. Apparently these legal immigrants have money to spend and it’s now a talking point. Still the opposition parties aren’t saying much. Don’t want to offend the newcomers.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    What’s interesting is that both Polievre and Trudeau have had to move from their positions in favour of nearly unlimited immigration. They seem to feel the need to do that now, especially when speaking in French while in Quebec. We’d be a lot worse off if we didn’t have Quebec to put some breaks on the Anglo globalism that reigns everywhere else.

    This video allows you to auto-generate English subtitles:

  112. @Bardon Kaldian
    He couldn't say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Replies: @IHTG, @James J. O'Meara, @Mr. XYZ, @AnotherDad, @Jett Rucker

    He specifically pointed out some examples where it is a strength. So, your statement here is not true. Rather, it can be either a strength or a weakness depending on the context.

  113. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    Not only is it not very good, it has probably done quite a bit to prevent classical concepts from reentering the mainstream (where they are desperately needed) because nobody wants to be associated with that weirdo Ignatius guy.

    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork—it stopped it from being taken seriously.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork—it stopped it from being taken seriously.
     
    Well, I can only speak for myself, but I found the book LOL funny from first page to last - yet it in no way hindered my ever closer embrace of "Aristotelian-Thomism."

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  114. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    A Confederacy of Dunces has it’s moments, but as a comic masterpiece it’s no Catch 22.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Harry Baldwin

    I tried twice to read A Confederacy of Dunces and didn't make it very far.

    Catch 22 struck me as an overly long one joke book. I never understood what all the fuss was about.

    Neither made any sense to me, and I never saw the (supposed) humor in either one.

  115. @Joe Stalin
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1748706726780477568

    Replies: @res

    I am skeptical of that poll. I bet most of the “opressor” respondents were specifically thinking of Gaza. And responding in knee jerk fashion to that association.

    An article about that poll.
    https://reason.com/volokh/2023/12/17/dont-put-too-much-stock-in-survey-finding-that-67-of-18-24-year-olds-say-jews-are-oppressors

    Here are more complete poll results.
    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_KeyResults.pdf

    Here is a good one. 64% the former with roughly U shaped variation by age.
    “Do you think that identity politics based on race has come to dominate at our elite universities, or do they operate primarily on the basis of merit and accomplishments without regard to race?”

    Another. 79% of those 18-24 support this!
    “There is an ideology that white people are oppressors and nonwhite people and people of certain groups have been oppressed and as a result should be favored today at universities and for employment. Do you support or oppose this ideology?”

    Your graphic is on page 57 following that.

    Crosstabs are available here.
    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP_Dec23_Crosstab.pdf

  116. Very good statement but I happen to disagree. The European white tribe has to prevail because no matter what anybody says we all should be tribal.

    The only other man that had a better required statement on diversity was Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winner in physics. I could not find a quote but it was essentially: “I will not discriminate on the basis of race or religion.” He’s one of the few that could get away with that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Malcolm Y


    Very good statement but I happen to disagree. The European white tribe has to prevail because no matter what anybody says we all should be tribal.
     
    What do you mean by this?
  117. @ScarletNumber

    Diversity is our strength
     
    This statement was uttered by one J. Danforth Quayle in response to Japan's hypothesis about the cause of the L.A. riots in 1992. No one ever questioned who was right in the actual debate, but it was obviously the Japanese. Yet we have taken Quayle's words as gospel.

    Replies: @res

    Steve’s 2018 article about that.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-wisdom-of-dan-quayle/

    Longer form of the Dan Quayle quote.

    I was asked many times in Japan about the recent events in Los Angeles. From the perspective of many Japanese, the ethnic diversity of our culture is a weakness compared to their homogeneous society. I begged to differ with my hosts. I explained that our diversity is our strength.

    P.S. I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of “diversity is our strength” with some variation of: “I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was.”

    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @res


    “I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was.”
     
    Real Quaylism has never been tried.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @res


    I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of “diversity is our strength” with some variation of: “I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was.”
     
    I've been doing that for years.
  118. I laughed so hard at the drivel comment my alarmed dog rushed in to check on me. Good post.

  119. @res
    @ScarletNumber

    Steve's 2018 article about that.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-wisdom-of-dan-quayle/

    Longer form of the Dan Quayle quote.


    I was asked many times in Japan about the recent events in Los Angeles. From the perspective of many Japanese, the ethnic diversity of our culture is a weakness compared to their homogeneous society. I begged to differ with my hosts. I explained that our diversity is our strength.
     
    P.S. I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of "diversity is our strength" with some variation of: "I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

    “I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was.”

    Real Quaylism has never been tried.

  120. @slumber_j

    Ptolemy lavishly promoted a new syncretic deity, Serapis, who could be worshipped by both the Greek conquest elite and by its Egyptian subjects.
     
    Only now does it occur to me that if you write DEI so that you're not shouting at everyone (a big ask I realize), it means "of God." Coincidence?

    Replies: @Poirot, @tyrone

    “God” in Spanish is “Dios”.
    DIOS: Diversity Is Our Strength.
    Like in that movie, Cidade de Dios!
    Nah, that was in Portugese. (Cidade de Deus)
    In Spanish it would be “Ciudad de Dios”)

  121. @Bardon Kaldian
    He couldn't say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Replies: @IHTG, @James J. O'Meara, @Mr. XYZ, @AnotherDad, @Jett Rucker

    He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Agree, he could have made a better statement. Specifically: Diversity means difference and is a source of contention and conflict in a society and often what rips it a society apart.

    But his statement is still pretty good. He explains that societies have prized unity–implying the it makes them stronger and more resilient. And that diversity is a cost–a “luxury good”–that can be tolerated when times are good. Note the word “tolerated”.

    Not ideal, but all and all, it’s a pretty good statement and pretty good push back against the minoritarian diversity pablum of our age.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @AnotherDad

    Yes. At some point, if you choose to rule Egypt (and not genocide the Egpytians) you are obligated to tolerate diversity to that point. Thus, the question becomes how diverse do you plan your empire on being.

  122. @Arclight
    Pretty entertaining read - it takes cojones to say that these days, and hopefully public displays of courage give others the spine to do the same. I do think that resistance to DIE is increasing with whites who are reasonably successful, but it still is very strong with the high credential but middling income white person who feels they are underpaid and undervalued and want more social standing.

    Like a lot of leftwing politics - and as Steve has noted on other issues - it's really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.

    Replies: @Santoculto, @Poirot, @kaganovitch

    it takes cojones to say that these days

    You need to be a Nobel prize winner like Steven Weinberg these days to get away with it.

    Steve also once told me that, when he (like other UT faculty) was required to write a statement about what he would do to advance Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, he submitted just a single sentence: “I will seek the best candidates, without regard to race or sex.” I remarked that he might be one of the only academics who could get away with that.

    https://vdare.com/posts/steven-weinberg-rip

  123. Donald J. Trump.

    Best president ever.

  124. @bomag
    @Jack D

    True enough, but "diversity" has expanded to mean anyone but a White male.

    Replies: @Poirot

    Perhaps the book on “diversity” has already been written, by Peter Wyatt Wood. Here’s Derb’s review: https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Reviews/HumanSciences/diversity.html

    Here’s the author talking about it: https://www.c-span.org/video/?175127-1/diversity-invention-concept

    Professor Peter Wood discussed his book, Diversity: The Invention of a Concept, published by Encounter Books. In the book, Professor Wood traced the evolution of the concept of “diversity,” beginning with the opinion expressed by Supreme Court Justice Louis Powell in the 1978 case of the University of California Regents v. Bakke. Allen Bakke was a white male who was twice refused admission to the University of California – Davis after allegedly being displaced by less qualified minority students. According to Professor Wood, diversity was at odds with America’s basic ideals of liberty and equality. Further, the concept of diversity had been distorted to insure prearranged statistical outcomes in terms of racial and ethnic makeup. Therefore, he concluded, diversity undermines the country’s attempts to overcome racial division.

  125. After reading that missive, I think this fellow might bear a far more striking resemblance to porcine yet brave rebel Porkins:

    • LOL: Bumpkin
  126. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Gee whiz: all that verbiage, and he doesn't once mention proper theology and geometry.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @fnn

    LOL

  127. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

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    I read it forty-three years ago in my log cabin, by the light of a kerosine lantern, in a rocking chair next to a wood-burning stove when I was twenty, and I liked it. The word “masterpiece” gets thrown around so much that I am not even sure what it means. I think appreciation of A Confederacy of Dunces depends on one’s outlook and experience. I think it’s great.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That was just about the same time I was living in our (self-made) teepee in the mountains above Santa Fe. Though we didn't enjoy the luxury of a wood stove we stayed warm anyway because, properly designed and fitted out, teepees are surprising snug. Course, I spent half my waking hours grubbing up armloads of wood and splitting them with my axe, but, nonetheless….

    I remember one evening, venturing out for wood in a blasting, stinging snowstorm. The wind literally ripped at my coat and pants. I thought to myself, "This damn wind is going to kill me. I'll get disoriented and lost and freeze to death out here." And my anger mounted till it overpowered my fear. At that point, it was personal. I wouldn't let the malicious powers of Nature beat me.

    And then it struck me that projecting human feelings into so-called-by-sophisticated-moderns "Impersonal Forces of Nature" served the useful purpose of rallying one's personal troops and focusing one with all his/her might as can only be accomplished by facing a specific enemy. So, anthropomorphizing may have served a useful, evolutionarily-advantageous purpose after all. It wasn't all mere superstition.

    So much for the musings of the professor, safely ensconced in his easy chair in his centrally-heated office or home.

    Layers within layers.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  128. Germany births in 2022 by citizenship of mother (change to 2021):
    Total: 738,819 (-7.1%)
    German: 547,254 (-9.6%)
    Foreign: 191,565 (+0.9%)
    The share of foreign births stands at 25.9% up from 23.9% in 2021.
    https://destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Geburten/Publikationen/Downloads-Geburten/statistischer-bericht-geburten-5126104227005.xlsx?__blob=publicationFile

    Most common countries
    1. Syria: 20,201 (-0.6%)
    2. Turkey: 16,806 (-6.9%)
    3. Romania: 14,945 (-4.5%)
    4. Poland: 8,899 (-12.5%)
    5. Ukraine: 8,049 (+190.9%)
    6. Kosovo: 7,671 (+8.4%)
    7.Bulgaria: 6,562 (+0.7%)
    8.Italy: 6,371 (-5.7%)
    9.Afghanistan: 5,963 (+36.7%)
    10.Iraq: 5,608 (-0.2%)
    11. Croatia 5,357 (-2.2%)
    12. Serbia 5,127 (+1.1%)
    13. Russia 4,122 (-11.7%)
    14. Bosnia-Her. 3,876 (-0.1%)
    15. Greece 3,300 (-6.9%)
    16. N.Macedonia 3,196 (+11.0%)
    17. India 2,892 (+3.3%)
    18. Nigeria 2,645 (-12.2%)
    19. Albania 2,626 (+15.5%)
    20. Hungary 2,583 (-9.5%)
    21. Morroco 2,505 (-2.5%)
    22. Vietnam 2,374 (-5.9%)
    23. US 2,331 (-8.3%)
    24. Eritrea 2,259 (-3.5%)
    25. Spain 1,928 (-8.3%)
    26. Pakistan 1,889 (+11.6%)
    27. Somalia 1,694 (+0.7%)
    28. China 1,639 (-16.5%)
    29. Moldova 1,492 (+26.2%)
    30. Ghana 1,443 (+7.0%)

  129. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

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    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.

    Oh please. Even you don’t believe that spin.

    “Diversity” is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that’s at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people’s racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and “opened up” America to the tolerant rainbow–blacks, Jews, women, immigrants … homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews–not being idiots–pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they’d pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they’d have been laughed out of the park–however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But “diversity” ideology is precisely “diversity”–not “blacks”–because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been “diverse” in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer “diverse” as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still “diverse” as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still “diverse” pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America’s historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are “diverse” everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George’s OD, blacks–i.e. Blacks–have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir–muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can’t have enough black, black, black. So yeah–I’ll give you that bit–in the last three years “diverse” has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as “diversity”. Diversity is non-white–and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel’s “rubble don’t make trouble” response Jews have found–to their horror!–that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think–hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!–that they are diverse and oppressed–the world’s greatest victims (TM)–and the oppressors are white gentiles–and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise “diversity”. They just want the Goldilocks situation–America suitably “opened up”–multi-ethnic and balkanized–but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response–like that hilarious Hollyweird letter–is standard issue: “diversity” is great and everyone diverse–i.e. everyone but white gentiles–needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world’s great victims.

    Diversity isn’t just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AnotherDad


    Diversity is anti-white.
     
    Yes.

    It is.

    Thank you.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @AnotherDad

    I usually eschew personal things, but- your Jewish obsessions are tiresome. Now & then, there was an element of a healthy criticism of that ethnicity's, in Jungspeak, "shadow". But now it is a cheerless example of a completely uninteresting magical thinking which is not even funny, as if you have decided to kill us all with mammoth chunks of boredom in comparison with which, as George Steiner describes in his superb book on Heidegger, six big German post-WW1 decisive works seem like a hilarious & relaxing romp.

    Of this discourse sprang a constellation of books unlike any others produced in the history of Western thought and feeling: Between 1918 and 1927, within nine short years, there appear in German half a dozen books that are more than books in their dimensions and manner of extremity. The first edition of Ernst Bloch’s Geist der Utopie is dated 1918. So is volume one of Oswald Spengler’s Decline of the West. The initial version of Karl Barth’s Commentary on Romans, of Barth’s reading of St. Paul, is dated 1919. Franz Rosenzweig’s Stern der Erlösung follows in 1921. Martin Heidegger’s Sein und Zeit is published in 1927. The question of whether the sixth title forms part of this configuration, and, if so, in what ways, is among the most difficult. Mein Kampf appears in its two volumes between 1925 and 1927.

    Roughly perceived, what have these works in common? They are voluminous. This is no accident. It tells of an imperative endeavor toward totality (after Hegel), of an attempt to provide, even where the point of departure is of a specialized historical or philosophic order, a summa of all available insight. It was as if the urgent prolixity of these writers sought to build a capacious house of words where that of German cultural and imperial hegemony had collapsed. These are prophetic texts, at once Utopian — the Utopia of promise is as manifest in Bloch as is that of twilight, of a nunc dimittis from the burdens of history in Spengler — and, as is all authentic prophecy, retrospective, commemorative of a lost ideal. The climate of 1918 is such as to compel and permit a more or less enhanced remembrance of the civilities, of the cultural stabilities, of the pre-1914 world. (The abyss of 1933–45 cut off such remembrance.)

    These works are, in a sense which is also technical, apocalyptic. They address themselves to “the last things.” Again, the apocalyptic prevision can be salutary, as in Rosenzweig’s movement toward redemption or Ernst Bloch’s blueprint for secular, though nevertheless messianic, emancipation; or it can be a figuration of catastrophe. In this respect, Barth’s teaching of the utter incommensurability between God and man, between the infinity of the divine and the unalterable constraints of human perception, is darkly ambiguous. It tells of the necessity of hopes which are, in essence, illusory. We know of the dread foresight, of the contract with apocalypse in Mein Kampf. Like their leviathan counterpart in Austria, Karl Kraus’s The Last Days of Humanity, these writings out of the German ruin are, indeed, meant to be read either by men and women doomed to decay, as in Spengler, or by men and women destined to undergo some fundamental renovation, some agonizing rebirth out of the ash of a dead past. This is Bloch’s message, Rosenzweig’s, and, in a perspective of eternal untimeliness, that of Barth. It is Hitler’s promise to the Volk.

    Massive scale, a prophetic tenor, and the invocation of the apocalyptic make for a specific violence. These are violent books. There is no more violent dictum in theological literature than Karl Barth’s: “God speaks His eternal No to the world.” In Rosenzweig, the violence is one of exaltation. The light of God’s immediacy breaks almost unbearably upon human consciousness. Ernst Bloch sings and preaches revolution, the overthrow of the existing order within man’s psyche and society. The Spirit of Utopia will lead directly to Bloch’s fiery celebration of Thomas Münzer and the sixteenth-century insurrections of peasant-saints and millennarians. The baroque violence, the rhetorical satisfaction in disaster — literally “the falling of the stars” — in Spengler’s magnum have often been noted. And there is no need to detail the raucous inhumanity in the eloquence of Herr Hitler.

    This violence is, inevitably, stylistic. Though intensely pertinent, the criteria of Expressionism are too broad. These are writings which interact decisively with the aesthetics, with the rhetoric of Expressionist literature, art, and music. Certain premonitory voices, those of Jakob Böhme, of Kierkegaard, and of Nietzsche, sound throughout Expressionism as they do in these six books. The ambience of apocalyptic extremity is pervasive. But that which I am trying to identify in Barth or Heidegger or Bloch is of a particular kind. It would be rewarding to probe closely the uses of negation in the thought and grammar of the Commentary on Romans, of Rosenzweig’s analysis of mundanity, or of the strategies of annulment, of exorcism through annihilation in My Struggle. Here is no Hegelian negation, with its dialectical yield of positivity. The terms now so cardinal to our study of Heidegger—“nothing,” “nothingness,” nichten, untranslatable as the verb “to nothing” — have their analogue throughout the set. Barth’s God is “the Judge of the Nichtsein [the non-being, the being-nothing] of the world.” It is out of the “not-thereness” of the divine in classical and rational ontologies that Rosenzweig derives his program for salvation. No less lyrically than James Joyce’s Molly Bloom, Ernst Bloch strives to enforce an overwhelming, life-saving Yes as against the Nichtigkeit, the “nothingness” and the denial (Verneinen) spoken upon history and human hopes by the madness of world war.


    Having read most-not all -of them, I think I'd find them an entertaining re-reading in comparison with your Boredsponsa.

    , @res
    @AnotherDad


    Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors.
     
    Does that make America like AB+ blood type, universal diversity recipient?
    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Joos, joos, joos. Joos under my bed.

    I was giving you the actual history. They would have come up with a different name for the same thing but the reason that you hear about "diversity" is that Justice Powell used that as the legal excuse for race discrimination in Bakke. If he had written "multiplicity" it would be "multiplicity" instead. Before Bakke no one talked about "diversity".

    Were Jews part of the Orwellian Leftist apparatus that twisted our Constitution in a way that justified racial discrimination against white people? Sure, but so were plenty of non-Jews. Justice Powell wasn't Jewish.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, you are always going on about the "one people" stuff but America was ""multi-ethnic" from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already "multi-ethnic". Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn't Jews that made America "multi-ethnic", it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo "one people" America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century - there are TWO people in it.

    https://www.readingeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2020/02/9bf6c774fb079f36abcd83cd14d08429.jpg

    And blacks are what the whole "diversity" apparatus is all about - once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb - even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear - you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It's not the Joos fault that YOU made America "multi-ethnic" and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

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  130. @ThreeCranes

    "The university, according to you, espouses an absolute commitment to a set of words that seems to generate positive feelings in your office, and perhaps among administrators generally…"
     
    That's it.

    Words = sounds = Pavlov's bell = anticipated reward = salivation = lights up pleasure centers in the brain = shared pleasure = membership = companionship = belonging = Us vs. Them.

    So, if you are lacking in the positive response to the sound stimulus then the whole chain doesn't fire. You are not Wired. If you are not wired, you are an outsider. Outsiders are shunned by the community. The EDIB community is intolerant of diversity.

    Repeatably, in my discussions with liberals, I have realized that words are for them, mere sounds. If you say, "nigger was a derogatory term for Negros", they hear nothing but the sound bigger but with an n at the beginning. From that point on, their thinking goes into a programmed loop. You have uttered the impermissible "N" word. The meaning of what you said doesn't matter, just their programmed reaction to a sign-stimulus.

    They are Robots, but flushed with emotion and capable of inflicting harm without remorse.

    Replies: @Poirot

    Thomas Sowell was interviewed by Charlie Rose in 1995. https://charlierose.com/videos/16711

    Thomas Sowell: I’m, I’m fascinated with the extent to which words– we are– we’ve conditioned to react like Pavlov’s dogs to words. I hear ”diversity”– Someone was asking me–
    Charlie Rose: Don’t make me look bad, professor.
    Thomas Sowell: Someone today, who’s a, who’s a trustee of a college was saying that they were going to– picking a new college professor. I said, what you should do is have a stopwatch there–
    Charlie Rose: Yeah.
    Thomas Sowell: –and just count how long it is till each of the contestants says the word ”diversity.’‘ And the guy who says it, you know– he’s 35 minutes into the interview, and the other guy who says it, you know, the first sentence, the guy who sa– who takes 35 minutes should be at the top of the list. The guy who said it in the first sentence should be at the bottom. Because the question–
    Charlie Rose: Well, what’s wrong with diversity. I don’t get the point.
    Thomas Sowell: My point is that this is a word that has become magic. What does it mean. It’s anything. Are you saying to me that all black people are alike; therefore, you’ve got to mix and match by race, that it is not diverse unless it is diverse along these–
    Charlie Rose: No, I’ll–
    Thomas Sowell: –dimensions?

  131. @AnotherDad
    "Diversity is Our Strength!" is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a "cost"--a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:


    Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.
     
    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

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    Divide and rule.
    Diversity means division.
    The “our” in “our strength” is not all-inclusive. Similar to their “Our Democracy”.

    -“Diversity is our strength.”
    -“Yes indeed, diversity is your strength.”

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Poirot


    Similar to their “Our Democracy”.
     
    What they are really saying is: ademocracy.
  132. @res
    @ScarletNumber

    Steve's 2018 article about that.
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-wisdom-of-dan-quayle/

    Longer form of the Dan Quayle quote.


    I was asked many times in Japan about the recent events in Los Angeles. From the perspective of many Japanese, the ethnic diversity of our culture is a weakness compared to their homogeneous society. I begged to differ with my hosts. I explained that our diversity is our strength.
     
    P.S. I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of "diversity is our strength" with some variation of: "I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was."

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

    I think it is time to start responding to any invocation of “diversity is our strength” with some variation of: “I did not know you appreciated what a visionary leader Dan Quayle was.”

    I’ve been doing that for years.

  133. Meanwhile, in Amerika, carry a Tikki torch and…

    US Sitting Ducks.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Joe Stalin

    I'd love to hear how all these things are connected in your mind.

  134. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

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    “Excellent” makes an excellent euphemism.

  135. @Twinkie
    @Pixo


    They still haven’t got Amy Wax who has provoked them twenty times more aggressively (Wax’s repeated and blunt black IQ and crime realism
     
    Lets see her criticize Israel and her fellow Jews and see if she survives so easily.

    Replies: @Richard B

    Lets see her criticize Israel and her fellow Jews and see if she survives so easily.

    Exactly!

    In other words, let’s see her criticize the people who made up all of this DIE crap and see if she survives. Of course she won’t. Which is why it was made up in the first place.

  136. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    Diversity is anti-white.

    Yes.

    It is.

    Thank you.

  137. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    I usually eschew personal things, but- your Jewish obsessions are tiresome. Now & then, there was an element of a healthy criticism of that ethnicity’s, in Jungspeak, “shadow”. But now it is a cheerless example of a completely uninteresting magical thinking which is not even funny, as if you have decided to kill us all with mammoth chunks of boredom in comparison with which, as George Steiner describes in his superb book on Heidegger, six big German post-WW1 decisive works seem like a hilarious & relaxing romp.

    Of this discourse sprang a constellation of books unlike any others produced in the history of Western thought and feeling: Between 1918 and 1927, within nine short years, there appear in German half a dozen books that are more than books in their dimensions and manner of extremity. The first edition of Ernst Bloch’s Geist der Utopie is dated 1918. So is volume one of Oswald Spengler’s Decline of the West. The initial version of Karl Barth’s Commentary on Romans, of Barth’s reading of St. Paul, is dated 1919. Franz Rosenzweig’s Stern der Erlösung follows in 1921. Martin Heidegger’s Sein und Zeit is published in 1927. The question of whether the sixth title forms part of this configuration, and, if so, in what ways, is among the most difficult. Mein Kampf appears in its two volumes between 1925 and 1927.

    Roughly perceived, what have these works in common? They are voluminous. This is no accident. It tells of an imperative endeavor toward totality (after Hegel), of an attempt to provide, even where the point of departure is of a specialized historical or philosophic order, a summa of all available insight. It was as if the urgent prolixity of these writers sought to build a capacious house of words where that of German cultural and imperial hegemony had collapsed. These are prophetic texts, at once Utopian — the Utopia of promise is as manifest in Bloch as is that of twilight, of a nunc dimittis from the burdens of history in Spengler — and, as is all authentic prophecy, retrospective, commemorative of a lost ideal. The climate of 1918 is such as to compel and permit a more or less enhanced remembrance of the civilities, of the cultural stabilities, of the pre-1914 world. (The abyss of 1933–45 cut off such remembrance.)

    These works are, in a sense which is also technical, apocalyptic. They address themselves to “the last things.” Again, the apocalyptic prevision can be salutary, as in Rosenzweig’s movement toward redemption or Ernst Bloch’s blueprint for secular, though nevertheless messianic, emancipation; or it can be a figuration of catastrophe. In this respect, Barth’s teaching of the utter incommensurability between God and man, between the infinity of the divine and the unalterable constraints of human perception, is darkly ambiguous. It tells of the necessity of hopes which are, in essence, illusory. We know of the dread foresight, of the contract with apocalypse in Mein Kampf. Like their leviathan counterpart in Austria, Karl Kraus’s The Last Days of Humanity, these writings out of the German ruin are, indeed, meant to be read either by men and women doomed to decay, as in Spengler, or by men and women destined to undergo some fundamental renovation, some agonizing rebirth out of the ash of a dead past. This is Bloch’s message, Rosenzweig’s, and, in a perspective of eternal untimeliness, that of Barth. It is Hitler’s promise to the Volk.

    Massive scale, a prophetic tenor, and the invocation of the apocalyptic make for a specific violence. These are violent books. There is no more violent dictum in theological literature than Karl Barth’s: “God speaks His eternal No to the world.” In Rosenzweig, the violence is one of exaltation. The light of God’s immediacy breaks almost unbearably upon human consciousness. Ernst Bloch sings and preaches revolution, the overthrow of the existing order within man’s psyche and society. The Spirit of Utopia will lead directly to Bloch’s fiery celebration of Thomas Münzer and the sixteenth-century insurrections of peasant-saints and millennarians. The baroque violence, the rhetorical satisfaction in disaster — literally “the falling of the stars” — in Spengler’s magnum have often been noted. And there is no need to detail the raucous inhumanity in the eloquence of Herr Hitler.

    This violence is, inevitably, stylistic. Though intensely pertinent, the criteria of Expressionism are too broad. These are writings which interact decisively with the aesthetics, with the rhetoric of Expressionist literature, art, and music. Certain premonitory voices, those of Jakob Böhme, of Kierkegaard, and of Nietzsche, sound throughout Expressionism as they do in these six books. The ambience of apocalyptic extremity is pervasive. But that which I am trying to identify in Barth or Heidegger or Bloch is of a particular kind. It would be rewarding to probe closely the uses of negation in the thought and grammar of the Commentary on Romans, of Rosenzweig’s analysis of mundanity, or of the strategies of annulment, of exorcism through annihilation in My Struggle. Here is no Hegelian negation, with its dialectical yield of positivity. The terms now so cardinal to our study of Heidegger—“nothing,” “nothingness,” nichten, untranslatable as the verb “to nothing” — have their analogue throughout the set. Barth’s God is “the Judge of the Nichtsein [the non-being, the being-nothing] of the world.” It is out of the “not-thereness” of the divine in classical and rational ontologies that Rosenzweig derives his program for salvation. No less lyrically than James Joyce’s Molly Bloom, Ernst Bloch strives to enforce an overwhelming, life-saving Yes as against the Nichtigkeit, the “nothingness” and the denial (Verneinen) spoken upon history and human hopes by the madness of world war.

    Having read most-not all -of them, I think I’d find them an entertaining re-reading in comparison with your Boredsponsa.

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  138. @Malcolm Y
    Very good statement but I happen to disagree. The European white tribe has to prevail because no matter what anybody says we all should be tribal.

    The only other man that had a better required statement on diversity was Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winner in physics. I could not find a quote but it was essentially: "I will not discriminate on the basis of race or religion." He's one of the few that could get away with that.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Very good statement but I happen to disagree. The European white tribe has to prevail because no matter what anybody says we all should be tribal.

    What do you mean by this?

  139. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Diversity: people of substandard ability and low-level competence, despite their deficiencies, should be given undeserved, unearned high-level positions of power and prestige, merely because their skin is the same color as human sh!t.

    Equity: Wow, you guys sure have a lot of cool stuff; we want to have cool stuff too, but we have no idea how to make cool stuff ourselves. Therefore, give us all your stuff. We deserve it, not you, simply because our skin is the same color as human sh!t.

    Inclusion: Thanks for building this amazing country, chock full of top-notch universities, hospitals, museums, highways, skyscrapers, airports, and a million other things we don’t know how to build for ourselves. We’ll take it from here… and I really do we mean, we’ll TAKE it from here. That is justice… because our skin is the same color as human sh!t.

  140. @Anon
    They've been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion ("diversity") or novel, anodyne acronym ("DEI", etc.) for longer than I've been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous "they" here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)

    It's only when this anti-white ideology is revealed to have tangible negative consequences for Zionism that "brave" "conservative" outlets like Law and Liberty allow their staff writers to finally type a column against "diversity". Never mind the fact that what animates most of their readership is the blatant anti-white bias built into the institutions they are forced to interact with every day. (As Steve himself might suggest doing, crtl+f that article for "white" and you'll only get one hit, and that hit has nothing to do with accusing DEI of being anti-white.)

    We live in an anti-white society. We have a Zionism problem. The two things are not unrelated. It's time to talk about it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @Blodgie

    What is different is that in addition to “giving a leg up” to students of underrepresented minorities, all faculty, staff and students are required to participate in struggle sessions, that is, training on implicit bias and microaggressions and so on.

    More recently, not only are applicants for faculty positions and students applying to the university required to sign a loyalty oath, they are required to draft an original, or at least original according to current standard, loyalty document and have this document be subject to scrutiny according to an unspecified standard. This has the first-person-to-get-tired-of-clapping after one of Comrade Stalin’s speeches aspect.

    The worst part of this is that we have defacto eliminated tenure for faculty as a means to resist this, which was a bright idea of Conservatives as legislators and governor.

  141. @Coemgen
    "Diversity" becomes "DEI" becomes "EDIB." I wonder what's next?

    Let me guess: The same demographic that gave us WTF is surely working their way towards "IDIOCY." It's catchy and easy to remember. It just needs some words to flesh-it-out.

    Replies: @res

    I’d like to see something which worked out to either DIEYT or DEITY. Reg?

  142. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    “why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn’t impressed.”

    Well, as the old punchline goes: some people can tell a joke, and some can’t. I suppose it’s also the case that some people can get a joke, and some can’t.

    — filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs
    — Journal of a Working Boy
    — “Twelve Inches of Paradise”
    — CRUSADE FOR MOORISH DIGNITY
    — “I ain’t *touching* that thing.”
    — signed, Zorro
    — “your boy sure likes his cake”

    There’s a gem like that on virtually every page.

  143. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors.

    Does that make America like AB+ blood type, universal diversity recipient?

  144. @prime noticer
    Shape Rotators create Good Times...
    Good Times create Wordcels...
    Wordcels create Bad Times...
    Bad Times create Shape Rotators...

    forced DEI statements, the logical conclusion of Rule by Wordcel.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Good Times create Wordcels

    What are ‘wordcels’? Are they the same as ‘verbalist shysters’?

    • Replies: @res
    @kaganovitch

    Pretty much. This extended explanation might help. And I kind of like the concluding paragraph.
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpqzb/ok-wtf-are-wordcels-and-shape-rotators


    So who is winning the war, the wordcels or the shape rotators? First, culture wars aren’t meant to be won but to be fought continuously. But let me ask you this: Why are they shape rotators and not, say, mathcels or STEMcels? The shape rotators, going against type, have won a victory just by naming their opponents wordcels.
     
  145. @kaganovitch
    @prime noticer


    Good Times create Wordcels
     
    What are 'wordcels'? Are they the same as 'verbalist shysters'?

    Replies: @res

    Pretty much. This extended explanation might help. And I kind of like the concluding paragraph.
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpqzb/ok-wtf-are-wordcels-and-shape-rotators

    So who is winning the war, the wordcels or the shape rotators? First, culture wars aren’t meant to be won but to be fought continuously. But let me ask you this: Why are they shape rotators and not, say, mathcels or STEMcels? The shape rotators, going against type, have won a victory just by naming their opponents wordcels.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  146. @AnotherDad
    "Diversity is Our Strength!" is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a "cost"--a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.


    Congrats to Professor Hankins for solid quick drill down and debunking:


    Since most societies have usually been at war or under the threat of war for most of history, public sentiment has ordinarily preferred unity to diversity. Prudent and humane governments have usually tolerated a degree of pluralism in order to reduce social discord, but pluralism as such has not been celebrated as a positive feature of society until quite recently. In fact, diversity is a luxury good that can be enjoyed only in secure, peaceful societies. Even in such societies, it has to be weighed against other goods (like meritocracy) that will have to be sacrificed if it is pursued as an absolute good. An indiscriminate commitment to “diversity,” bereft of any loyalty to unifying principles, is the mark of a weak or collapsing society.
     
    When a nation parrots and promotes an ideology so obviously dumb and so at odds with maintaining itself and maintaining civilization one wonders how long it can survive.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @James J. O'Meara, @Poirot, @Bumpkin

    “Diversity is Our Strength!” is perhaps the dumbest slogan that any civilization has ever had.

    Obviously, false. Contrary to any reading of history. Contrary to basic logic and common sense. Unity is strength. Diversity is a “cost”–a cause of contention, something a society has to work to accommodate and can often be fatal.

    No, it is clearly true, the basis of Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations, ie division of labor according to diversity of skill. But it is only true of real diversity of interest and ability, not a fake, superficial diversity of skin color or misplaced gender. This is the usual bait and switch of the wordcels, a trap you have fallen for. They define “freedom” as the freedom from working for a living or paying for your own healthcare, thus arguing for UBI or “universal” healthcare, thereby making you argue against “freedom.” Instead, reject the redefinition of the words that they’re using.

    Getting into the weeds, the same arguments you’re using were employed by the WASPs against the “Papists” 150 years ago, the very same people you believe provide “unity” today. “Unity is strength” only in a time of war, hardly an endorsement given all the unjust wars we’ve been led into, and most times not something positive in a civil society. To be clear, none of these are unalloyed goods: you do need some unity and much more real diversity of skill in a well-functioning society.

    The fundamental question is whether more diversity of national background, religion, race, and gender actually provides the true diversity we should all care about, that of interest and abilities. And the answer appears to be that sometimes it does- we would not have a South African immigrant running Tesla in the US if it doesn’t- but its benefits are greatly oversold, and certainly don’t deserve ramrodding down our institutions with DEI initiatives.

    Tough for people like me to care though, as antiquated institutions like Harvard or the Federal Reserve have been obsoleted by new technology and are in the process of being completely replaced. Whether they die from within first or without hardly matters, they will be killed off in the 21st century no matter what.

  147. @Bill P
    Good guy. I think they'll leave him alone. They know when they're outclassed.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    I tend to agree. He’s in the twilight of his career and, although apparently at the top of his niche field, just another obscure eccentric professor in the grand scheme of things.

    It will be an interesting case study. Do they double-down and go after him, as the left normally does, or just imply that he’s a sample size of one crotchety old bastard who can be left in his corner til he retires?

  148. @pirelli
    @TBA

    The prose is lively and engaging, the characters and plot are entertaining, and Ignatius was something a newly minted archetype: a well-read reactionary with delusions of grandeur who still lives with his mother. Many such cases nowadays.

    I also just found it hilarious. The humor might not be up your alley. People may have a harder time agreeing on what constitutes great comic literature vs regular old great literature. For instance I’ve never found Tom Wolfe all that funny (the guy needed a ruthless editor, IMO), whereas I thought Portnoy’s Complaint was hysterical (probably Roth’s best novel, frankly; his latter work got so tendentious, but that’s a different convo). I’ve known some very Ignatius J. Reilly-esque characters in my life, so there was a lot of “laughter of recognition” for me.

    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.

    This is the answer; if J.K. Toole didn’t off himself at 31, this novel would never have seen the light of day. As it was, he submitted it to Simon & Schuster in 1964 where it was rejected by the same guy who had accepted and edited Catch-22.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @ScarletNumber

    I read "Confederacy" only a couple years ago and concluded that Toole was a man ahead of his time, As, in some ways, was "A Canticle for Liebowitz" author Walter Miller. It is sad that both went off the deep end.

  149. @JEGGG
    As a minor aside, Drew Faust's second husband was not the head of HER history department. I believe he was head of the history of science department.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Dr. Faust’s second husband was also her dissertation adviser; for those wondering Faust was her first husband’s name

  150. @ThreeCranes
    @Mark G.


    "This is someone whose whole career has consisted of getting one promotion after another that he did not deserve."
     
    But this IS WORK for a black person. They're so tired because it's hard work looking for and then getting hired to positions that offer both high reward and low expectations. On top of all that, you have to sustain the illusion that you're doing something useful. Exhausting.

    Replies: @Slugsmagee

    I was high ranking enough before I retired that I attended some of the same “briefings” as then Lieutenant General Austin. My general impression was that he rarely commented or even questioned a briefer. He was content to look authoritative and no one ever offered anything by total and complete deference and obsequiousness to the three star BLack general in the room. Obama was president . Everybody knew Austin was being groomed to run the whole shebang soon.

    • Thanks: res
  151. anonymous[395] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s a great example of raw, unchecked diversity…

    There’s a fellow who has a YouTube channel featuring himself busking on public pianos at London shopping malls. A group of Chinese people, waving their communist flags, approached and surrounded him. Then things started getting crazy. Since then, he’s already been receiving threats. He’s just a guy who busks on piano!

    It’s a shame about London. It used to be a great city.

    The party starts at the 9:00 minute mark…

    https://youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=BzkeHy2HKdh9dh6L

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anonymous


    Elsewhere, the PRC Naval Militia trying the swarming intimidation thing.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gRL8THNDwo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeMZzu6p87I
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2fPNKiZnMk
    , @Jack D
    @anonymous

    Talk about the Streisand Effect! By asking not to be seen on the internet they have now been seen and noticed by many times more people than if they hadn't said anything.

    Honestly I don't understand what was going on there. Ordinary people in China are being filmed every second they are in a public place. These folks sounded very arrogant like they were little princelings (children of high party officials) who feel as if the rules are whatever they say that they are.

    , @Bill P
    @anonymous

    Weird. There must be some law in China that you can't take people's photos without their permission. Probably a result of pushback against the surveillance state.

    A lot of mainland Chinese have difficulty understanding that their rules do not apply outside of China.

    Also, it's funny to hear a Chinese calling people racist. Of course, they probably believe it, as China always recycles the worst of anti-white Western propaganda and presents it to the Chinese audience. The most vile anti-white, anti-Christian films vomited forth by Hollywood regularly appeared on Chinese TV when I was there.

  152. @Arclight
    Pretty entertaining read - it takes cojones to say that these days, and hopefully public displays of courage give others the spine to do the same. I do think that resistance to DIE is increasing with whites who are reasonably successful, but it still is very strong with the high credential but middling income white person who feels they are underpaid and undervalued and want more social standing.

    Like a lot of leftwing politics - and as Steve has noted on other issues - it's really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.

    Replies: @Santoculto, @Poirot, @kaganovitch

    Like a lot of leftwing politics – and as Steve has noted on other issues – it’s really about people who feel like losers demanding an inversion of our social order to put them on top of the underserving current winners.

    Excellent typo, bro!

  153. @Joe Stalin

    Meanwhile, in Amerika, carry a Tikki torch and...
     
    https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1748761271841788277

    US Sitting Ducks.
     
    https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1748763619779563912
    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1748686845603405845

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I’d love to hear how all these things are connected in your mind.

  154. @Poirot
    @AnotherDad

    Divide and rule.
    Diversity means division.
    The “our” in “our strength” is not all-inclusive. Similar to their “Our Democracy”.

    -“Diversity is our strength.”
    -“Yes indeed, diversity is your strength.”

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Similar to their “Our Democracy”.

    What they are really saying is: ademocracy.

  155. Anonymous[499] • Disclaimer says:

    I am pretty sure that I read Confederacy of Dunces during the Clinton regime, some considerable time after becoming aware of the book’s existence.
    It vastly exceeded my expectations and I found it quite funny.
    But I did not at that time connect it much to any (or many) aspects of the current political zeitgeist.
    I had a deep visceral sympathy for the protaganist, but this did not connect with my intellectual grasp of reality at the time.
    Now I suspect some might find the whole thing a bit passe…

  156. @Intelligent Dasein
    @SFG


    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics.
     
    Negative. He's an academic Rip Van Winkle and an erudite Boomer-poster. His missive here reads like the AOL chain emails I used to get from grandmother back in the '90s. "Did you know that the bottom of a doorway is called the "threshold" because in the Middle Ages, people used to throw straw on the floor of their houses to soak up the animal urine, and they needed something to keep it from blowing out the door? Thus, thresh-hold! Get it?"---you know, that kind of shit.

    But the strange thing is, in the current environment, I think it's going to work. This lame-ass, solipsistic, 20-years-too-late piece of tripe is actually going to work, because the dim kernel of truth within it happened to collide with just the right combination of circumstances needed to bring it to the fore and make it effective, that being the laziness and sheer incompetence of the DIE crowd finally catching up with them. It is a testament to the fact that every dog has his day, and it redounds to the glory of God that He makes even the stupidest efforts bear fruit once in a while.

    There's a plain and a simple answer to each and every quest
    From every quiet dancer who might be a special guest
    In a movie made for TV or a late-night interview
    You might even find them on the young and the restless too.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You know how many of us tell you that you are much too verbose? This is yet another exoneration of that assessment. All you needed to write was, “I am smarter than everyone, including Prof. Hankins.”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  157. @Jack D
    Hankins is playing the fool by pretending to take the word "diversity" at face value.

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that "diversity" doesn't actually mean "diversity". Diversity is just another euphemism for "African", like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc. Whenever something is negative, euphemisms arise for it but in time the new euphemism itself becomes equally negative and so has to be replaced again and again. Crippled becomes handicapped, handicapped becomes "differently abled", moron becomes retarded, retarded becomes "developmentally delayed", etc. "Diversity" has, I suspect, just about worn out its welcome as the baggage has accumulated and soon there will be a new word.

    Diversity (too lazy to do the N-gram) become a euphemism for African as a result of what Justice Powell wrote in the Bakke affirmative action decision. He was casting about for a legal rationale to permit discrimination against white people, which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution as are all forms of racial discrimination. And he (or whoever wrote the amicus briefs) hit upon the idea that white people themselves would actually BENEFIT from having "diverse" Magic Negroes sitting next to them in class even if these "diverse" people were maybe a little less qualified than white applicants. This kind of gaslighting ( slaves actually ENJOYED being slaves!) has been going on for centuries. What was new was that it was white people's turn to be subjected to such official mind f*cks.

    Thus the word "diverse" became but the latest euphemism for African. The Office of Admitting More Black People was rechristened as the Office of Diversity.

    Actual diversity, as in diversity of thought, is the LAST thing that Harvard wants. If the office was honestly named, it would be the Office of Strictly Enforced Conformity with the Officially Approved Viewpoint in Favor of Admitting More Underqualified Black People , not the Office of Diversity.

    But we live in dishonest times where our language has been corrupted - rather than an aid to clear thinking, it is intentionally remade into an IMPEDIMENT to clear thinking. Orwell would approve.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Guest007, @MGB, @Blodgie, @bomag, @Aphatgurl, @obwandiyag, @tyrone, @AnotherDad, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie

    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”

    Yes, we all can tell you hate black people. After all, if it weren’t for them, Jews would be the undisputed Victimest People Ever.

    That’s okay though, You still win, because there is still no slavery museum in DC, but there is a “United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”… in a country where none occurred.

    • LOL: Bumpkin
    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Twinkie

    Twinkie, the Smithsonian opened their African American History Museum in DC in 2003. I've never been inside it despite living in Northern Virginia but I'm sure a lot of the exhibits are about slavery. The Native American History Museum in DC opened in 2004. If you visit the holocaust museum too you can do the triple crown of White guilt in one day!!!

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave, mostly young lower class black men. Most of them are harmless working people. It would have been better if they hadn't been dragged here in chains, but that's water under the bridge.

    The "diversity" apparatus, although it increasingly is fronted by blacks, especially black women like Claudine Gay, is not solely a black creation. Blacks are musically creative but when it comes to ideological stuff, they are pretty stupid. Nation of Islam is preposterous and even that wasn't created by a black guy. Ta-Nehisi Coates is idiotic, right down to his faux African name. Even if they came up with the idea, by themselves they did have the political power to push it thru, at least not initially.

    AD (and others) blame the creation of this apparatus on Jews. That's not true either. Although Jews were not absent from this movement, they were not the only ones. Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews. Otherwise you are being both over and under inclusive - false positives and false negatives - this is what makes anti-Semitism dumb. I don't "hate" anyone, but I do blame deluded Leftists for imposing their utopian and un-American schemes on us.

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others. Replacing the hierarchy where whites were on top with a new hierarchy where blacks are on top is not an improvement.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  158. @Intelligent Dasein
    For those who want to get a feel for the cut of the man's jib, here is an hour-long conversation with the witty and charming Bill Kristol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow_2a624Rtc&t=137s

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Did Bill Kristol attend a University? He speaks like a trade school graduate. He, quite simply, doesn’t understand a word the large man says. Every time he chimes in he is off topic and the large man patiently reviews and restates what he had just said, the point he had just made.

    Kristol is like a simple-minded child. His mind runs in a groove. Is this the Jewish perspective in general? Such that he cannot grasp Western history? Apparently, the Greeks and Romans are just so foreign to Judaism that Jews simply cannot use the terms—sorta like Sailer mentioning the Sapir Whorf hypothesis—cannot think the thoughts the big man uses as Western intellectual coin of the realm. Ignorance on display.

    For the big man, following in the footsteps of Plato and Aristotle, Arete, or Excellence, is a moral habit which is the hub of the wheel. The superior man strives for excellence for its own sake as well as trying to instantiate what is good for all citizens.

    Simply being smart about current social theories, mouthing platitudes about what he undoubtedly calls “democracy” and making money—Kristol’s Jewish values, apparently—are not the litmus test. He is floundering out of his depth, utterly unprepared to take part in this dialogue because he is, fundamentally, a cynic.

    Jews simply cannot imagine that in the West (and China), thought and political leaders could have been motivated by unselfish, beneficial-for-all motives. This inability reveals a fundamental flaw in their character. Unable to do so themselves—at least with respect with Europeans—they cannot imagine that Europeans have that capacity themselves.

    I’ve never seen anything quite like this. Kristol is like an African tribal black confronted with a jet engine. He doesn’t even know enough to ask pertinent questions. If this is an example of a Jewish intellectual, then Jews are frauds.

    • Troll: Guest007
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @ThreeCranes

    I think commenter Intelligent Dasein meant to disparage Prof. Hankins by tying him to Kristol (guilt by association, if you will), but clearly the intended effect didn't take with you. ;)

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    , @Anon
    @ThreeCranes


    I’ve never seen anything quite like this.
     
    What do you mean?

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  159. They are rattling breakfast plates in basement kitchens,
    And the people there are good
    people

    People who
    brought up in different circumstance would be exactly like us,
    But they weren’t brought up in circumstance
    like us.

    People who would be us, but are not us,
    from impoverished backgrounds We need to get along.
    We need to forget and let go any social milieu
    become Tony Robbins “wealth” people
    Be the people we need to be,
    to be someone to project a face of who I am
    Be someone I’m expected to be
    Do all the the things “society” (TV) demands of me

    Be performative me

    Fit the role that everyone expects but no one demanded
    The worst thing is they say they never asked you for it
    (but everyone knows they did)
    After all, we’re all in this together,
    right?

  160. @Anon
    They've been doing some variant of anti-white discrimination, always under some euphemistic verbal contortion ("diversity") or novel, anodyne acronym ("DEI", etc.) for longer than I've been alive, and I am no longer young. (The nebulous "they" here are the HR departments of most major corporations, the hiring boards of most academic institutions, and the admissions committees of nearly all educational institutions.)

    It's only when this anti-white ideology is revealed to have tangible negative consequences for Zionism that "brave" "conservative" outlets like Law and Liberty allow their staff writers to finally type a column against "diversity". Never mind the fact that what animates most of their readership is the blatant anti-white bias built into the institutions they are forced to interact with every day. (As Steve himself might suggest doing, crtl+f that article for "white" and you'll only get one hit, and that hit has nothing to do with accusing DEI of being anti-white.)

    We live in an anti-white society. We have a Zionism problem. The two things are not unrelated. It's time to talk about it.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Inquiring Mind, @Blodgie

    Once again, we don’t live in an anti-white world.

    We live in an anti-straight white MALE world.

    Why is this obvious distinction so difficult for so many Unz men to grok?

    White women get affirmative action. They directly benefit from DEI.

    So many of you are hidebound to an expired understanding of how the world works—it’s really remarkable.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  161. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”
     
    Yes, we all can tell you hate black people. After all, if it weren’t for them, Jews would be the undisputed Victimest People Ever.

    That’s okay though, You still win, because there is still no slavery museum in DC, but there is a “United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”… in a country where none occurred.

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @Jack D

    Twinkie, the Smithsonian opened their African American History Museum in DC in 2003. I’ve never been inside it despite living in Northern Virginia but I’m sure a lot of the exhibits are about slavery. The Native American History Museum in DC opened in 2004. If you visit the holocaust museum too you can do the triple crown of White guilt in one day!!!

  162. @Buzz Mohawk
    @TBA

    I read it forty-three years ago in my log cabin, by the light of a kerosine lantern, in a rocking chair next to a wood-burning stove when I was twenty, and I liked it. The word "masterpiece" gets thrown around so much that I am not even sure what it means. I think appreciation of A Confederacy of Dunces depends on one's outlook and experience. I think it's great.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    That was just about the same time I was living in our (self-made) teepee in the mountains above Santa Fe. Though we didn’t enjoy the luxury of a wood stove we stayed warm anyway because, properly designed and fitted out, teepees are surprising snug. Course, I spent half my waking hours grubbing up armloads of wood and splitting them with my axe, but, nonetheless….

    I remember one evening, venturing out for wood in a blasting, stinging snowstorm. The wind literally ripped at my coat and pants. I thought to myself, “This damn wind is going to kill me. I’ll get disoriented and lost and freeze to death out here.” And my anger mounted till it overpowered my fear. At that point, it was personal. I wouldn’t let the malicious powers of Nature beat me.

    And then it struck me that projecting human feelings into so-called-by-sophisticated-moderns “Impersonal Forces of Nature” served the useful purpose of rallying one’s personal troops and focusing one with all his/her might as can only be accomplished by facing a specific enemy. So, anthropomorphizing may have served a useful, evolutionarily-advantageous purpose after all. It wasn’t all mere superstition.

    So much for the musings of the professor, safely ensconced in his easy chair in his centrally-heated office or home.

    Layers within layers.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @ThreeCranes

    Thanks! I spent a lot of time splitting wood too. I had a dog, so I could just talk to him instead of getting mad at nature, LOL

    There were hilariously long icicles hanging off the cabin in winter. That was of course because so much heat was leaking out and melting the snow on the roof.

    I have a fire going right now, just for fun of course, and it's basically removing warm air out through the chimney, so not much has changed...

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  163. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes, res, re 112, this text has served to stop arbitrary “Your papers!” demands for protected personal information in derogation of Article 17 privacy rights. The offending institution just said, “Oh, never mind, you don’t have to present government ID.” N.B., they didn’t change the policy, hoping Joe Blow would typically submit.

    This text has also effectively protested “estate recovery” predation in derogation of indivisible human rights to health, housing, and livelihood. Estate recovery in this case is implemented by a hospital department for profit. The expropriation agency backed off, the petitioner got their human right to health without signing away the family’s right to future housing. Again, the practice is to back off the unlawful demand without changing the overall policy.

    That Wikipedia article is telling. US policy is keeping human rights out of your reach with scurvy tricks like “non self-executing treaties,” ratification packages of legally-void reservations, and casuist nonsense in courts. Every four years the US government gets its head handed to it in binding review, but they conceal their fingers-crossed commitments and public failure from the subject population.

    You can watch the US take a whuppin here:

    The world world pushing this government to do its fucking job:
    https://www.upr-info.org/en

    The official record of US state derelictions:
    https://www.ohchr.org/en/countries/united-states-america

    Recorded, for the sarcasm and ass-kicking that gets cut from Conclusions and Recommendations:
    https://webtv.un.org/en/search/categories/meetings-events/human-rights-treaty-bodies

    We should all be talking about this, instead of bullshit statist news.

    • Thanks: res
  164. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    Joos, joos, joos. Joos under my bed.

    I was giving you the actual history. They would have come up with a different name for the same thing but the reason that you hear about “diversity” is that Justice Powell used that as the legal excuse for race discrimination in Bakke. If he had written “multiplicity” it would be “multiplicity” instead. Before Bakke no one talked about “diversity”.

    Were Jews part of the Orwellian Leftist apparatus that twisted our Constitution in a way that justified racial discrimination against white people? Sure, but so were plenty of non-Jews. Justice Powell wasn’t Jewish.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    I have no idea who these "joos" are that you keep banging on about. But I do know that there exists in the US a group called "Jews"; and that, when one seriously contemplates the host of evils which presently afflict this country, these Jews have a whole conga-line of truckloads of stuff to answer for. More than any other group, even negroes.

    PRO-TIP: If you want people to stop accusing you of hiding under their beds, then... stop hiding under the bed.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  165. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”
     
    Yes, we all can tell you hate black people. After all, if it weren’t for them, Jews would be the undisputed Victimest People Ever.

    That’s okay though, You still win, because there is still no slavery museum in DC, but there is a “United States Holocaust Memorial Museum”… in a country where none occurred.

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @Jack D

    I don’t hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave, mostly young lower class black men. Most of them are harmless working people. It would have been better if they hadn’t been dragged here in chains, but that’s water under the bridge.

    The “diversity” apparatus, although it increasingly is fronted by blacks, especially black women like Claudine Gay, is not solely a black creation. Blacks are musically creative but when it comes to ideological stuff, they are pretty stupid. Nation of Islam is preposterous and even that wasn’t created by a black guy. Ta-Nehisi Coates is idiotic, right down to his faux African name. Even if they came up with the idea, by themselves they did have the political power to push it thru, at least not initially.

    AD (and others) blame the creation of this apparatus on Jews. That’s not true either. Although Jews were not absent from this movement, they were not the only ones. Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews. Otherwise you are being both over and under inclusive – false positives and false negatives – this is what makes anti-Semitism dumb. I don’t “hate” anyone, but I do blame deluded Leftists for imposing their utopian and un-American schemes on us.

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others. Replacing the hierarchy where whites were on top with a new hierarchy where blacks are on top is not an improvement.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I don’t hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave
     
    The people you constantly accuse of antisemitism “don’t hate [the Jews] although they hate the way some of them behave.”

    Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews.
     
    Not all criminals are blacks and not all blacks are criminals, so blame criminals, not blacks. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about blacks as a group, does it? And do the same with the Jews and its antisemitism, you dirty Nazi goyim!

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others.
     
    A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate. Singapore, for example, is one multiethnic country that works well. It’s highly meritocratic and people are equal in rights, but we all know who’s in charge and whose culture dominates.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  166. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    My feelings exactly. BTW, does anyone read Kurt Vonnegut, John Barth, Thomas Pynchon or Ken Kesey anymore? They were all ‘must reads’ when I was young.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @PSR

    I read some Vonnegut and Barth. Never could get more than 100 pages into Gravity's Rainbow. Kesey no.

  167. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Gee whiz: all that verbiage, and he doesn't once mention proper theology and geometry.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @fnn

    Yes, Reilly was a lot funnier than this guy. Or maybe Hankins thought it best to hold back on the humor when writing this.

  168. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Joos, joos, joos. Joos under my bed.

    I was giving you the actual history. They would have come up with a different name for the same thing but the reason that you hear about "diversity" is that Justice Powell used that as the legal excuse for race discrimination in Bakke. If he had written "multiplicity" it would be "multiplicity" instead. Before Bakke no one talked about "diversity".

    Were Jews part of the Orwellian Leftist apparatus that twisted our Constitution in a way that justified racial discrimination against white people? Sure, but so were plenty of non-Jews. Justice Powell wasn't Jewish.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I have no idea who these “joos” are that you keep banging on about. But I do know that there exists in the US a group called “Jews”; and that, when one seriously contemplates the host of evils which presently afflict this country, these Jews have a whole conga-line of truckloads of stuff to answer for. More than any other group, even negroes.

    PRO-TIP: If you want people to stop accusing you of hiding under their beds, then… stop hiding under the bed.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    PRO-TIP: If you want people to stop accusing you of hiding under their beds, then… stop hiding under the bed.
     
    Here’s Jack D trying to pretend the anti-White, anti-American “The 1619 Project” isn’t a Jewish project:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/first-draft-of-claudine-gays-resignation-letter/#comment-6346157 (#93, etc.)
  169. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    The verb usage alone kept me in stitches.

    I wanted to find an actual example, but ended up reading the reviews at goodreads. It turns out that the reviewers, like the readers here, are split and either love it or hate it.

    I think I’ll crib the take of one of those reviewers and say, if this book doesn’t have you LOL, even the third time through, we can’t be friends.

  170. @Tom F.
    @Jonathan Mason

    LOL, well-played!

    Seriously, if you do a search for 'country by IQ' you will get a list of 185 of the 192 countries in the world. The bottom 55 are African (or similar) countries, >95% Black. The average IQ for these bottom 55 Black countries is 77. Diversity would be a great thing for these countries.

    If you look at the top 15 countries, 14 are >95% Asian (no epicanthic fold kind of Asian). IQ 107 or higher. Diversity would be an awful thing for these countries. Some questions, to use on those pesky people who argue/accuse...

    1) Tokyo is the largest (14 million) developed city in the world, yet has practically no crime. What does Tokyo NOT have, that western cities DO have?
    2) What is the benefit to the U.S. to allow millions of uneducated people illiterate in two languages into the country? (Get past 'food and music' and you are home-free). Even Mexicans prefer Taco Bell and Budweiser to their provincial cuisine.
    3) Take away 'government employment' and what kind of workplace success do our Magic Americans enjoy?
    4) Is 'Mexican' a bad word?
    5) Do the U.S. new arrivals want to be American? Or do they just want the 'free stuff?'

    Replies: @Tom F.

    Here is a 6 minute clip of an interview from a Japanese media team with Jared Taylor, regarding the U.S. and race issues. Taylor was born-and-raised in Japan for his first 16 years. Very interesting and well-reasoned.

  171. @anonymous
    Here’s a great example of raw, unchecked diversity…

    There's a fellow who has a YouTube channel featuring himself busking on public pianos at London shopping malls. A group of Chinese people, waving their communist flags, approached and surrounded him. Then things started getting crazy. Since then, he’s already been receiving threats. He’s just a guy who busks on piano!

    It’s a shame about London. It used to be a great city.

    The party starts at the 9:00 minute mark…

    https://youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=BzkeHy2HKdh9dh6L

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jack D, @Bill P

    Elsewhere, the PRC Naval Militia trying the swarming intimidation thing.

  172. @ScarletNumber
    @pirelli


    Of course there’s also the whole backstory where the author of Confederacy killed himself before it got published. I’m sure that’s part of its ongoing appeal.
     
    This is the answer; if J.K. Toole didn't off himself at 31, this novel would never have seen the light of day. As it was, he submitted it to Simon & Schuster in 1964 where it was rejected by the same guy who had accepted and edited Catch-22.

    Replies: @Prester John

    I read “Confederacy” only a couple years ago and concluded that Toole was a man ahead of his time, As, in some ways, was “A Canticle for Liebowitz” author Walter Miller. It is sad that both went off the deep end.

  173. @Bill Jones
    He could have just sent them Aristophanes' Assemblywomen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen

    Women haven't changed in 2,500 years, well except that some of them are men.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @AnotherDad

    A fascinating comparison – thanks for the link!

  174. @Bill Jones
    He could have just sent them Aristophanes' Assemblywomen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen

    Women haven't changed in 2,500 years, well except that some of them are men.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @AnotherDad

    He could have just sent them Aristophanes’ Assemblywomen.

    Excellent point Mr. Jones.

    We’ve concentrated on the “diversity” nonsense, because that’s the core issue. Our problem is not fundamentally “the women problem”. Women are just more compliant than men, so dutifully parrot “the narrative” they are given–and they are now pickled in a toxic narrative. Why mass media in the hands of an outgroup is so destructive.

    But all that said, I’ve yet to see any evidence that women in the academy has had any benefit. Beyond just educating the talented young, the benefit of the university is subjecting current knowledge/orthodoxies to empirical and logical test and coming up with new ideas, theories, knowledge. And neither empiricism, logic or new ideas are female human strengths.

    Individual gals who want to come out and play–fine. (Freedom.) But turning universities into feminized institutions has been complete disaster.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    "But turning universities into feminized institutions has been complete disaster."

    And a dysgenic sink!

  175. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Everyone knows, (but never says out loud) that “diversity” doesn’t actually mean “diversity”. Diversity is just another euphemism for “African”, like its predecessors, colored, Negro, Black, etc.
     
    Oh please. Even you don't believe that spin.

    "Diversity" is just the handy all-inclusive for the idea that's at the heart of Jewish minoritarianism. That mulit-ethnic diversity is better than unified one-people nations. That the before America was a terrible hell-hole of stale pale gentile penis people's racist sexist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic oppression. Then the Jews showed up and "opened up" America to the tolerant rainbow--blacks, Jews, women, immigrants ... homosexuals, trannies.

    Yes, this is America, so obviously blacks are the outstanding pain point. Jews--not being idiots--pushed the black experience, slavery, Jim Crow, poverty, in their minoritarian attack on America. (If they'd pushed Harvard quotas and the Golfocaust as their oppression propaganda, they'd have been laughed out of the park--however much those nothingburgers excite ethnocentric Jews.) But "diversity" ideology is precisely "diversity"--not "blacks"--because the whole idea was to crack open America and have a broad multi-ethnic united front of the oppressed against white gentiles.

    And it operates that way. But diversity bennies are contingent. A white woman lawyer might have been "diverse" in 1970, but not so much anymore. A white woman is no longer "diverse" as a job candidate in publishing or the English department, but is still "diverse" as a candidate for the Physics faculty or the cockpit at United Airlines. Asians are no longer diverse in college admissions or tech job, but they also probably are for airline pilots. (Not sure, but that would be my guess.) Hispanics are still "diverse" pretty much everywhere. Muslims are diverse. Immigrants are diverse. Queers are diverse. And now trannies are fashionably diverse.

    The thing with blacks is that they
    a) are America's historic oppressed minority and
    b) underperform in pretty much everything outside rap and NBA player.
    So blacks are "diverse" everywhere. Blacks are like O- blood type, universal diversity donors. And yes, in the wake of Saint George's OD, blacks--i.e. Blacks--have been pushed as the ultimate diversity elixir--muscling aside lesser diversity. You just can't have enough black, black, black. So yeah--I'll give you that bit--in the last three years "diverse" has gotten blacker.

    But still, even if some people no longer get the diversity boost as hires in certain industries and jobs, they still count as "diversity". Diversity is non-white--and especially non-white maleness.

    ~~

    This architecture has been demonstrated by recent events. Since the Hamas terror raid and Israel's "rubble don't make trouble" response Jews have found--to their horror!--that lots of the more colorfully diverse just see Jews as privileged oppressive white people. While Jews think--hey it was the whole point of minoritarianism!--that they are diverse and oppressed--the world's greatest victims (TM)--and the oppressors are white gentiles--and no one better forget it.

    A few Jews are waking up to the problem and starting to think the whole DIE thing needs to be dialed back. But still those Jews praise "diversity". They just want the Goldilocks situation--America suitably "opened up"--multi-ethnic and balkanized--but then free competition where the Jews grab their outsized share.

    But the general Jewish response--like that hilarious Hollyweird letter--is standard issue: "diversity" is great and everyone diverse--i.e. everyone but white gentiles--needs their piece of the pie. But everyone needs to remember that Jews are diverse too, and in fact the world's great victims.

    Diversity isn't just about blacks. Diversity is about America not being a white nation. Diversity is anti-white.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Bardon Kaldian, @res, @Jack D, @Jack D

    BTW, you are always going on about the “one people” stuff but America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”. Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn’t Jews that made America “multi-ethnic”, it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo “one people” America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century – there are TWO people in it.

    And blacks are what the whole “diversity” apparatus is all about – once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb – even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear – you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It’s not the Joos fault that YOU made America “multi-ethnic” and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    Are you familiar with theories like these?
    DNA and the Jewish Ancestry of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton
    https://jlahnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.pdf

    More papers by the same author mentioned here.
    https://hiddenjewishancestry.com/english-crypto-jews

    Maybe the way to rehabilitate Thomas Jefferson's reputation is to prove he had part Jewish ancestry? ; )

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    BTW, you are always going on about the “one people” stuff but America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”.
     
    It was more Anglo-Saxon than the “Jewish State” is jewish. Not even when the jews seized land by force in 1948 did they have a majority. Nowadays, jews amount to barely half the population of Palestine. If you count the Gentile families that were forced to flee the territory as a consequence of jewish wars, the Gentiles have a clear majority.

    So how do you define “Jewish State”?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Curle
    @Jack D

    “America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”. Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn’t Jews that made America “multi-ethnic”, it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships .”

    Good God your knowledge of American history is superficial.

    Jews came to North America with the Spanish. Maybe not the Polish Jews, still. Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown. The 1619 stuff is intentionally misleading.

    The crypto Jews who keep cropping up in parts of Spanish North America were here because the Spanish sovereigns made it advisable for them to come here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    , @Curle
    @Jack D


    Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this)
     
    You need to go back and read the contemporaneous Atlantic Magazine article addressing this. The NOI’s claims were lifted from Jewish scholarship. Really, everyone should read this. It is balanced.

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1995/09/276-3/132669499.pdf
  176. @obwandiyag
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it.

    A great read. But obviously, Harvard doesn't want "diversity." It wants uniformity. Of the strictest, most orthodox nature.

    But maybe he had a trick up his sleeve. Maybe he intended deliberately to remind the Harvard administrators of the real meaning of diversity--which would entail, say, matriculating white supremacist students in the interest of fleshing out the right side of the diversity pool.

    Replies: @HA

    “…obviously, Harvard doesn’t want ‘diversity.’ It wants uniformity. Of the strictest, most orthodox nature.”

    He himself says as much, if only implicitly:

    Most religions in the last millennium have placed a premium on preserving the original vision of their founders. They have had to resist pressures to undermine (or diversify) that vision… They have had to fight against spiritual entrepreneurs, whom they disobligingly label heretics, who have been eager to diversify their doctrines.

    DEI may not refer to a deity in the strictest sense, but it it is clearly a kind of religion.

  177. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, you are always going on about the "one people" stuff but America was ""multi-ethnic" from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already "multi-ethnic". Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn't Jews that made America "multi-ethnic", it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo "one people" America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century - there are TWO people in it.

    https://www.readingeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2020/02/9bf6c774fb079f36abcd83cd14d08429.jpg

    And blacks are what the whole "diversity" apparatus is all about - once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb - even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear - you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It's not the Joos fault that YOU made America "multi-ethnic" and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @Curle, @Curle

    Are you familiar with theories like these?
    DNA and the Jewish Ancestry of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton
    https://jlahnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.pdf

    More papers by the same author mentioned here.
    https://hiddenjewishancestry.com/english-crypto-jews

    Maybe the way to rehabilitate Thomas Jefferson’s reputation is to prove he had part Jewish ancestry? ; )

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    I` m not qualified to evaluate her DNA work but it sounds like a stretch to me.

    However her politics are clearly the usual Leftist BS which causes me to question her results even more. She says:This calls into question the ideology of
    White Protestant Supremacy and indicates that early American patriots were of more diverse ethnicity than
    previously believed.

    First of all, this is a strawman. And 2nd, having some small percentage of Jewish ancestry from hundreds of years ago doesn't make you Jewish. Jews can neither take credit nor blame for what these men did, good or bad.

    Replies: @martin_2

    , @Curle
    @res

    The DNA claims are only as valid as the DNA identifications and those have often changed. Having said that, Jefferson’s Randolph side was of British relative antiquity (King John) and had long been associated with English overseas affairs as had the Randolph’s closest associates in the New World. That crypto Jews would be overrepresented among the mercantile classes is not surprising and has been discussed for years in certain historical circles.

  178. @AnotherDad
    @Bill Jones


    He could have just sent them Aristophanes’ Assemblywomen.
     
    Excellent point Mr. Jones.

    We've concentrated on the "diversity" nonsense, because that's the core issue. Our problem is not fundamentally "the women problem". Women are just more compliant than men, so dutifully parrot "the narrative" they are given--and they are now pickled in a toxic narrative. Why mass media in the hands of an outgroup is so destructive.

    But all that said, I've yet to see any evidence that women in the academy has had any benefit. Beyond just educating the talented young, the benefit of the university is subjecting current knowledge/orthodoxies to empirical and logical test and coming up with new ideas, theories, knowledge. And neither empiricism, logic or new ideas are female human strengths.

    Individual gals who want to come out and play--fine. (Freedom.) But turning universities into feminized institutions has been complete disaster.

    Replies: @BB753

    “But turning universities into feminized institutions has been complete disaster.”

    And a dysgenic sink!

  179. @Anon
    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, "Look, we're Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality."

    Harvard will soon become Podunk U under diversity jihadis. Normal elites don't like to mingle with radicals, so they will stop sending their kids there. They will make some other place the Country Club university.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @Curle

    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality.”

    Some professors believe and might even try to say that but they no longer control the institution. The administrative bureaucracy that actually does run Harvard wants as many “special interest” groups as possible because that creates more roles for administrators. Someone has to develop counselling programs for 1st generation lesbians of color and organize support events for LatinX transsexual engineering majors. Every “diverse” student means some multiplier of counseling, outreach and back office staff that need to be hired. Unfortunately Harvard’s endowment is so huge at this point the grift can go on for decades before the damage becomes truly obvious.

  180. @anonymous
    Here’s a great example of raw, unchecked diversity…

    There's a fellow who has a YouTube channel featuring himself busking on public pianos at London shopping malls. A group of Chinese people, waving their communist flags, approached and surrounded him. Then things started getting crazy. Since then, he’s already been receiving threats. He’s just a guy who busks on piano!

    It’s a shame about London. It used to be a great city.

    The party starts at the 9:00 minute mark…

    https://youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=BzkeHy2HKdh9dh6L

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jack D, @Bill P

    Talk about the Streisand Effect! By asking not to be seen on the internet they have now been seen and noticed by many times more people than if they hadn’t said anything.

    Honestly I don’t understand what was going on there. Ordinary people in China are being filmed every second they are in a public place. These folks sounded very arrogant like they were little princelings (children of high party officials) who feel as if the rules are whatever they say that they are.

  181. @res
    @Jack D

    Are you familiar with theories like these?
    DNA and the Jewish Ancestry of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton
    https://jlahnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.pdf

    More papers by the same author mentioned here.
    https://hiddenjewishancestry.com/english-crypto-jews

    Maybe the way to rehabilitate Thomas Jefferson's reputation is to prove he had part Jewish ancestry? ; )

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    I` m not qualified to evaluate her DNA work but it sounds like a stretch to me.

    However her politics are clearly the usual Leftist BS which causes me to question her results even more. She says:This calls into question the ideology of
    White Protestant Supremacy and indicates that early American patriots were of more diverse ethnicity than
    previously believed.

    First of all, this is a strawman. And 2nd, having some small percentage of Jewish ancestry from hundreds of years ago doesn’t make you Jewish. Jews can neither take credit nor blame for what these men did, good or bad.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Jack D

    Many years ago, when the Internet was getting rolled out among the general population, I was involved in an online chat where someone on the "extreme right" asserted that Isaac Newton was Jewish. These people take the most venerated white men in history and try to claim they are Jewish. But if their claims are correct, then the Jews clearly are the master race and we should all bow down to them.

  182. @Jack D
    @res

    I` m not qualified to evaluate her DNA work but it sounds like a stretch to me.

    However her politics are clearly the usual Leftist BS which causes me to question her results even more. She says:This calls into question the ideology of
    White Protestant Supremacy and indicates that early American patriots were of more diverse ethnicity than
    previously believed.

    First of all, this is a strawman. And 2nd, having some small percentage of Jewish ancestry from hundreds of years ago doesn't make you Jewish. Jews can neither take credit nor blame for what these men did, good or bad.

    Replies: @martin_2

    Many years ago, when the Internet was getting rolled out among the general population, I was involved in an online chat where someone on the “extreme right” asserted that Isaac Newton was Jewish. These people take the most venerated white men in history and try to claim they are Jewish. But if their claims are correct, then the Jews clearly are the master race and we should all bow down to them.

  183. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave, mostly young lower class black men. Most of them are harmless working people. It would have been better if they hadn't been dragged here in chains, but that's water under the bridge.

    The "diversity" apparatus, although it increasingly is fronted by blacks, especially black women like Claudine Gay, is not solely a black creation. Blacks are musically creative but when it comes to ideological stuff, they are pretty stupid. Nation of Islam is preposterous and even that wasn't created by a black guy. Ta-Nehisi Coates is idiotic, right down to his faux African name. Even if they came up with the idea, by themselves they did have the political power to push it thru, at least not initially.

    AD (and others) blame the creation of this apparatus on Jews. That's not true either. Although Jews were not absent from this movement, they were not the only ones. Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews. Otherwise you are being both over and under inclusive - false positives and false negatives - this is what makes anti-Semitism dumb. I don't "hate" anyone, but I do blame deluded Leftists for imposing their utopian and un-American schemes on us.

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others. Replacing the hierarchy where whites were on top with a new hierarchy where blacks are on top is not an improvement.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave

    The people you constantly accuse of antisemitism “don’t hate [the Jews] although they hate the way some of them behave.”

    Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews.

    Not all criminals are blacks and not all blacks are criminals, so blame criminals, not blacks. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about blacks as a group, does it? And do the same with the Jews and its antisemitism, you dirty Nazi goyim!

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others.

    A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate. Singapore, for example, is one multiethnic country that works well. It’s highly meritocratic and people are equal in rights, but we all know who’s in charge and whose culture dominates.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?

    “A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate”

    The problem here is that there is debate among on the Alt Right on who constitutes this core ethno, and who is capable of being assimilated.

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  184. @slumber_j

    Ptolemy lavishly promoted a new syncretic deity, Serapis, who could be worshipped by both the Greek conquest elite and by its Egyptian subjects.
     
    Only now does it occur to me that if you write DEI so that you're not shouting at everyone (a big ask I realize), it means "of God." Coincidence?

    Replies: @Poirot, @tyrone

    it means “of God.” Coincidence?

    Well they do have a religious zeal …..a secular humanist Opus Dei ?

  185. @Intelligent Dasein
    @TBA

    Not only is it not very good, it has probably done quite a bit to prevent classical concepts from reentering the mainstream (where they are desperately needed) because nobody wants to be associated with that weirdo Ignatius guy.

    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork---it stopped it from being taken seriously.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork—it stopped it from being taken seriously.

    Well, I can only speak for myself, but I found the book LOL funny from first page to last – yet it in no way hindered my ever closer embrace of “Aristotelian-Thomism.”

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @vinteuil

    When Confederacy was first published, I was a high school kid commuting to school every morning on a packed IRT car. On any given morning, about 1/4 of the passengers were reading Confederacy.

    I have never heard an entire crowded subway car convulsed and howling with laughter, before or since. It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  186. @AnotherDad
    @Bardon Kaldian


    He couldn’t say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.
     
    Agree, he could have made a better statement. Specifically: Diversity means difference and is a source of contention and conflict in a society and often what rips it a society apart.

    But his statement is still pretty good. He explains that societies have prized unity--implying the it makes them stronger and more resilient. And that diversity is a cost--a "luxury good"--that can be tolerated when times are good. Note the word "tolerated".

    Not ideal, but all and all, it's a pretty good statement and pretty good push back against the minoritarian diversity pablum of our age.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Yes. At some point, if you choose to rule Egypt (and not genocide the Egpytians) you are obligated to tolerate diversity to that point. Thus, the question becomes how diverse do you plan your empire on being.

  187. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I don’t hate black people although I hate the way that some of them behave
     
    The people you constantly accuse of antisemitism “don’t hate [the Jews] although they hate the way some of them behave.”

    Not all Leftists are Jews and not all Jews are Leftists, so blame Leftists, not Jews.
     
    Not all criminals are blacks and not all blacks are criminals, so blame criminals, not blacks. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about blacks as a group, does it? And do the same with the Jews and its antisemitism, you dirty Nazi goyim!

    America is at its best when it is color-blind and religion blind, not when it elevates one race or religion above the others.
     
    A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate. Singapore, for example, is one multiethnic country that works well. It’s highly meritocratic and people are equal in rights, but we all know who’s in charge and whose culture dominates.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?

    “A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate”

    The problem here is that there is debate among on the Alt Right on who constitutes this core ethno, and who is capable of being assimilated.

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?
     
    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one - for your edification.

    My point was not that Jack D shouldn't criticize blacks for their widespread social pathology. Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy (criticizing blacks = totally fine, criticizing Jews = dirty Nazism!). The point is, all should be critiqued and none should be immune from criticism. Jack D can and should criticize blacks for their issues. As well, others can and should do the same for Jews and, yes, Indians without the fear of being labeled as a racist.

    But, as you well know, with Jack D, Jews can never do any wrong - it's always some dirty Nazi goy's fault.

    Lest you play the childish game of "You do the same for Asians," let's wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014, nearly a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-not-just-ask-them/#comment-666152


    Young Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent today are increasingly not of this mold. They have no idea about anti-communism. Except for a dedicated core of evangelical Protestants, they are largely atheistic. They do not revere the Anglo-American civic and political traditions and heritage as I do. They don’t have the same sense of gratitude I feel toward this country. They have been indoctrinated by SWPL apologist nonsense for decades now. For that matter, demographically, they are increasingly more South Asian/Indian (pagan or Muslim) or Chinese (atheist/Chinese nationalist) and less dissident Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese, meaning they are less likely to respect and assimilate into the traditional Anglo-American culture.

    Frankly, I am not optimistic that increased Asian immigration would benefit this country, even if Asians commit fewer crimes than whites and are academically more successful.
     

    As for this:

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.
     
    Yeah, all five of them. There are probably more people who believe the earth is flat than there are those who consider East Asians Untermenschen.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Corvinus, @Frau Katze

  188. @anonymous
    Here’s a great example of raw, unchecked diversity…

    There's a fellow who has a YouTube channel featuring himself busking on public pianos at London shopping malls. A group of Chinese people, waving their communist flags, approached and surrounded him. Then things started getting crazy. Since then, he’s already been receiving threats. He’s just a guy who busks on piano!

    It’s a shame about London. It used to be a great city.

    The party starts at the 9:00 minute mark…

    https://youtube.com/live/65iwnI2hjAA?si=BzkeHy2HKdh9dh6L

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Jack D, @Bill P

    Weird. There must be some law in China that you can’t take people’s photos without their permission. Probably a result of pushback against the surveillance state.

    A lot of mainland Chinese have difficulty understanding that their rules do not apply outside of China.

    Also, it’s funny to hear a Chinese calling people racist. Of course, they probably believe it, as China always recycles the worst of anti-white Western propaganda and presents it to the Chinese audience. The most vile anti-white, anti-Christian films vomited forth by Hollywood regularly appeared on Chinese TV when I was there.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  189. @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?

    “A country, any country, works best when there is a core ethny and culture to which others cohere and, yes, assimilate”

    The problem here is that there is debate among on the Alt Right on who constitutes this core ethno, and who is capable of being assimilated.

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?

    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one – for your edification.

    My point was not that Jack D shouldn’t criticize blacks for their widespread social pathology. Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy (criticizing blacks = totally fine, criticizing Jews = dirty Nazism!). The point is, all should be critiqued and none should be immune from criticism. Jack D can and should criticize blacks for their issues. As well, others can and should do the same for Jews and, yes, Indians without the fear of being labeled as a racist.

    But, as you well know, with Jack D, Jews can never do any wrong – it’s always some dirty Nazi goy’s fault.

    Lest you play the childish game of “You do the same for Asians,” let’s wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014, nearly a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-not-just-ask-them/#comment-666152

    Young Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent today are increasingly not of this mold. They have no idea about anti-communism. Except for a dedicated core of evangelical Protestants, they are largely atheistic. They do not revere the Anglo-American civic and political traditions and heritage as I do. They don’t have the same sense of gratitude I feel toward this country. They have been indoctrinated by SWPL apologist nonsense for decades now. For that matter, demographically, they are increasingly more South Asian/Indian (pagan or Muslim) or Chinese (atheist/Chinese nationalist) and less dissident Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese, meaning they are less likely to respect and assimilate into the traditional Anglo-American culture.

    Frankly, I am not optimistic that increased Asian immigration would benefit this country, even if Asians commit fewer crimes than whites and are academically more successful.

    As for this:

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.

    Yeah, all five of them. There are probably more people who believe the earth is flat than there are those who consider East Asians Untermenschen.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Twinkie

    Don't stop Corvy, he's on a roll! 10,026 I believe.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6372758

    , @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    “Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence”

    Why stoop to the level of your alleged white allies on this fine opinion webzine?

    “Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy “

    Indeed, and I am pointing out your own confirmation biases, which you lucidly confirm.

    “let’s wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014”

    Right, a self righteous, elitist position. Basically, any Asian who you label as unwilling to hold to a conservative ideology is unassailable. Doesn’t work that way.

    “Yeah, all five of them”

    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country. But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans, whether they’ve been here for long time or for short period.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one – for your edification.
     
    Your rudeness and arrogance is off the charts.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  190. @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Unfortunately, A Confederacy of Dunces has done for Aristotelian-Thomism what Sister Act did for the religious life, what Chocolat did for Lenten observance, and what The Da Vinci Code did for contemplative artwork—it stopped it from being taken seriously.
     
    Well, I can only speak for myself, but I found the book LOL funny from first page to last - yet it in no way hindered my ever closer embrace of "Aristotelian-Thomism."

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    When Confederacy was first published, I was a high school kid commuting to school every morning on a packed IRT car. On any given morning, about 1/4 of the passengers were reading Confederacy.

    I have never heard an entire crowded subway car convulsed and howling with laughter, before or since. It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.
     
    Considering it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, I think you are exaggerating a bit. I will take your word for it that it was the last piece of written fiction to captivate the nation at large, although I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books doing the same. It is worth mentioning that those books are British rather than American.

    Looking at the Pulitzer Prizes for fiction, the last author that I recognize is Philip Roth for American Pastoral in 1998. While the Game of Thrones series became popular because of the HBO show based on them, I don't remember them being in the zeitgeist when the first one was published in August 1996. I admit that I generally don't read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Guest007

  191. @ThreeCranes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That was just about the same time I was living in our (self-made) teepee in the mountains above Santa Fe. Though we didn't enjoy the luxury of a wood stove we stayed warm anyway because, properly designed and fitted out, teepees are surprising snug. Course, I spent half my waking hours grubbing up armloads of wood and splitting them with my axe, but, nonetheless….

    I remember one evening, venturing out for wood in a blasting, stinging snowstorm. The wind literally ripped at my coat and pants. I thought to myself, "This damn wind is going to kill me. I'll get disoriented and lost and freeze to death out here." And my anger mounted till it overpowered my fear. At that point, it was personal. I wouldn't let the malicious powers of Nature beat me.

    And then it struck me that projecting human feelings into so-called-by-sophisticated-moderns "Impersonal Forces of Nature" served the useful purpose of rallying one's personal troops and focusing one with all his/her might as can only be accomplished by facing a specific enemy. So, anthropomorphizing may have served a useful, evolutionarily-advantageous purpose after all. It wasn't all mere superstition.

    So much for the musings of the professor, safely ensconced in his easy chair in his centrally-heated office or home.

    Layers within layers.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Thanks! I spent a lot of time splitting wood too. I had a dog, so I could just talk to him instead of getting mad at nature, LOL

    There were hilariously long icicles hanging off the cabin in winter. That was of course because so much heat was leaking out and melting the snow on the roof.

    I have a fire going right now, just for fun of course, and it’s basically removing warm air out through the chimney, so not much has changed…

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Buzz Mohawk

    My fire is heating the house even as we speak. Not open but an old Vermont Castings wood stove. I just turn on the heat exchanger to keep things lubed up in there. I'll use it every day in summer to keep things cool, though. I fell my own trees, buck em up, split and stack em.

    Stay strong.

  192. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, you are always going on about the "one people" stuff but America was ""multi-ethnic" from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already "multi-ethnic". Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn't Jews that made America "multi-ethnic", it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo "one people" America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century - there are TWO people in it.

    https://www.readingeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2020/02/9bf6c774fb079f36abcd83cd14d08429.jpg

    And blacks are what the whole "diversity" apparatus is all about - once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb - even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear - you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It's not the Joos fault that YOU made America "multi-ethnic" and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @Curle, @Curle

    BTW, you are always going on about the “one people” stuff but America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”.

    It was more Anglo-Saxon than the “Jewish State” is jewish. Not even when the jews seized land by force in 1948 did they have a majority. Nowadays, jews amount to barely half the population of Palestine. If you count the Gentile families that were forced to flee the territory as a consequence of jewish wars, the Gentiles have a clear majority.

    So how do you define “Jewish State”?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    the Gentile families
     
    Hamas doesn't seem very Gentile to me. More like savages. "Gentile" in relation to Muslims is an attempt to obfuscate the truth. These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.

    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole "settler colonialist" narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

  193. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    I have no idea who these "joos" are that you keep banging on about. But I do know that there exists in the US a group called "Jews"; and that, when one seriously contemplates the host of evils which presently afflict this country, these Jews have a whole conga-line of truckloads of stuff to answer for. More than any other group, even negroes.

    PRO-TIP: If you want people to stop accusing you of hiding under their beds, then... stop hiding under the bed.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    PRO-TIP: If you want people to stop accusing you of hiding under their beds, then… stop hiding under the bed.

    Here’s Jack D trying to pretend the anti-White, anti-American “The 1619 Project” isn’t a Jewish project:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/first-draft-of-claudine-gays-resignation-letter/#comment-6346157 (#93, etc.)

  194. @res
    @Jack D

    Are you familiar with theories like these?
    DNA and the Jewish Ancestry of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton
    https://jlahnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.pdf

    More papers by the same author mentioned here.
    https://hiddenjewishancestry.com/english-crypto-jews

    Maybe the way to rehabilitate Thomas Jefferson's reputation is to prove he had part Jewish ancestry? ; )

    Replies: @Jack D, @Curle

    The DNA claims are only as valid as the DNA identifications and those have often changed. Having said that, Jefferson’s Randolph side was of British relative antiquity (King John) and had long been associated with English overseas affairs as had the Randolph’s closest associates in the New World. That crypto Jews would be overrepresented among the mercantile classes is not surprising and has been discussed for years in certain historical circles.

  195. @Anon
    Someone at Harvard needs to have the nerve to say, "Look, we're Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period. Diversity is not our primary goal, but brains and originality."

    Harvard will soon become Podunk U under diversity jihadis. Normal elites don't like to mingle with radicals, so they will stop sending their kids there. They will make some other place the Country Club university.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Peter Akuleyev, @Curle

    “say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period.”

    Princeton takes the cream of the crop.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Curle

    https://youtu.be/8C4lK41SX-Q?si=FByB453O7bJWfkj1

  196. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, you are always going on about the "one people" stuff but America was ""multi-ethnic" from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already "multi-ethnic". Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn't Jews that made America "multi-ethnic", it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo "one people" America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century - there are TWO people in it.

    https://www.readingeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2020/02/9bf6c774fb079f36abcd83cd14d08429.jpg

    And blacks are what the whole "diversity" apparatus is all about - once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb - even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear - you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It's not the Joos fault that YOU made America "multi-ethnic" and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @Curle, @Curle

    “America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”. Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn’t Jews that made America “multi-ethnic”, it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships .”

    Good God your knowledge of American history is superficial.

    Jews came to North America with the Spanish. Maybe not the Polish Jews, still. Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown. The 1619 stuff is intentionally misleading.

    The crypto Jews who keep cropping up in parts of Spanish North America were here because the Spanish sovereigns made it advisable for them to come here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Curle

    At the time of the American Revolution, the upper bound estimate of the US Jewish population was 2,500 mostly Sephardic Jews, of which around 800 would have been working age males. Even if every one of those men was a slave trader (they weren't) 800 people was not nearly enough to run the whole slave trade.

    , @Jack D
    @Curle


    Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown.
     
    Now put your statement together with The Atlantic article which you reference:

    If one were to inquire more neutrally
    into what role Jews played in the Atlantic
    slave trade, one would find that it was a
    considerable one during the formative
    years of the trade, in the sixteenth and
    seventeenth centuries, and a very small
    one when the trade reached much greater
    volume, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.

     
    and you'll see that Jews had very little to do with the slave trade in North America. Whoever enslaved Farrakhan's ancestors, it wasn't a Jew.
  197. @Anonymous
    @Guest007


    Also, part of the diversity push is to help keep programs such as visual arts, performing arts, and parts of the liberal arts and social sciences going. As UT-Austin learned, if one fills up a freshman class with only students from the top 10% of their high school class, no one is going to be majoring in subjects like music, art, or humanities.
     
    You don't need to be that smart to get a diploma in these fields, but plenty of very smart kids are interested in these fields and major in them, at least at the selective schools I've been around.

    Replies: @Guest007

    for music, visutal arts, or drama, one has to have some level of talent. That usually does not translate to 1600 on the SAT or a great GPA. If a school basis its admission strictly on SAT and GPA, then many small or non-academic programs would die.

  198. @Buzz Mohawk
    @ThreeCranes

    Thanks! I spent a lot of time splitting wood too. I had a dog, so I could just talk to him instead of getting mad at nature, LOL

    There were hilariously long icicles hanging off the cabin in winter. That was of course because so much heat was leaking out and melting the snow on the roof.

    I have a fire going right now, just for fun of course, and it's basically removing warm air out through the chimney, so not much has changed...

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    My fire is heating the house even as we speak. Not open but an old Vermont Castings wood stove. I just turn on the heat exchanger to keep things lubed up in there. I’ll use it every day in summer to keep things cool, though. I fell my own trees, buck em up, split and stack em.

    Stay strong.

  199. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    BTW, you are always going on about the "one people" stuff but America was ""multi-ethnic" from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already "multi-ethnic". Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn't Jews that made America "multi-ethnic", it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships . You painting an imaginary picture of an all Anglo "one people" America that never existed. Look closely at this actual painting from the 18th century - there are TWO people in it.

    https://www.readingeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2020/02/9bf6c774fb079f36abcd83cd14d08429.jpg

    And blacks are what the whole "diversity" apparatus is all about - once AA got going then everyone and his brother wanted to get those nice AA bennies but AA was originally driven by (and STILL is driven by) the enormous IQ gap between blacks vs whites (and Asians), which is bigger than any other gap.

    The best that can be said is that in the past, white Americans were able to suppress the blacks that they had brought over but in truth this was always a ticking time bomb - even Jefferson understood that having blacks in America was like having a wolf by the ear - you can neither hold on indefinitely nor let go. It's not the Joos fault that YOU made America "multi-ethnic" and now we have to deal with it permanently. If anything, immigration has helped because without immigration America would be even blacker than it is now.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @Curle, @Curle

    Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this)

    You need to go back and read the contemporaneous Atlantic Magazine article addressing this. The NOI’s claims were lifted from Jewish scholarship. Really, everyone should read this. It is balanced.

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1995/09/276-3/132669499.pdf

  200. @Curle
    @Anon

    “say, “Look, we’re Harvard, and we only take the cream of the crop, period.”

    Princeton takes the cream of the crop.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    • LOL: Curle
  201. @ThreeCranes
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Did Bill Kristol attend a University? He speaks like a trade school graduate. He, quite simply, doesn't understand a word the large man says. Every time he chimes in he is off topic and the large man patiently reviews and restates what he had just said, the point he had just made.

    Kristol is like a simple-minded child. His mind runs in a groove. Is this the Jewish perspective in general? Such that he cannot grasp Western history? Apparently, the Greeks and Romans are just so foreign to Judaism that Jews simply cannot use the terms—sorta like Sailer mentioning the Sapir Whorf hypothesis—cannot think the thoughts the big man uses as Western intellectual coin of the realm. Ignorance on display.

    For the big man, following in the footsteps of Plato and Aristotle, Arete, or Excellence, is a moral habit which is the hub of the wheel. The superior man strives for excellence for its own sake as well as trying to instantiate what is good for all citizens.

    Simply being smart about current social theories, mouthing platitudes about what he undoubtedly calls "democracy" and making money—Kristol's Jewish values, apparently—are not the litmus test. He is floundering out of his depth, utterly unprepared to take part in this dialogue because he is, fundamentally, a cynic.

    Jews simply cannot imagine that in the West (and China), thought and political leaders could have been motivated by unselfish, beneficial-for-all motives. This inability reveals a fundamental flaw in their character. Unable to do so themselves—at least with respect with Europeans—they cannot imagine that Europeans have that capacity themselves.

    I've never seen anything quite like this. Kristol is like an African tribal black confronted with a jet engine. He doesn't even know enough to ask pertinent questions. If this is an example of a Jewish intellectual, then Jews are frauds.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anon

    I think commenter Intelligent Dasein meant to disparage Prof. Hankins by tying him to Kristol (guilt by association, if you will), but clearly the intended effect didn’t take with you. 😉

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Twinkie

    Agree but I just don't see how Prof. Hankins was "tied" to Kristol. Kristol was off tempo, always on his back foot. He was at a loss when it came to discussing the nobility of our Western tradition; like a cynical teenager saying, "Sure, sure. Oh yes, you REALLY CARE about virtue and aiming for the highest intellectual and moral goals. Riiiight."

    From evidence which was presented to my own eyes, I am forced to conclude that for lack of having made any meaningful contribution to civilization, Jews—as Jews—resenting our titanic accomplishments, throw sand in the works.

    Cue JackD. JD, it's time for you to remind us that not all Jews are the same etc. etc.

    Yes, just our point, Jack. When they act other than as Jews, then they may make useful and meaningful contributions to Western civilization. But in so far as they are acting as Jews, then they can make no useful contribution to Western civilization. And by the same token, if they are making a useful contribution to Western civilization, then they are not Jews acting as Jews.

    Judaism is utterly incompatible with Greek and Roman civilization. The Emperors knew it. The leaders of the Jewish cult knew it.

    So lay off the sophistry*; it's not working.

    Got it?

    *Virtually every argument put forth by the Sophists depended on ambiguity for its confounding effect. Ambiguity meaning, of course, a word having more than one definition or one whose meaning shifts in the course of the argument.

  202. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @vinteuil

    When Confederacy was first published, I was a high school kid commuting to school every morning on a packed IRT car. On any given morning, about 1/4 of the passengers were reading Confederacy.

    I have never heard an entire crowded subway car convulsed and howling with laughter, before or since. It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.

    Considering it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, I think you are exaggerating a bit. I will take your word for it that it was the last piece of written fiction to captivate the nation at large, although I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books doing the same. It is worth mentioning that those books are British rather than American.

    Looking at the Pulitzer Prizes for fiction, the last author that I recognize is Philip Roth for American Pastoral in 1998. While the Game of Thrones series became popular because of the HBO show based on them, I don’t remember them being in the zeitgeist when the first one was published in August 1996. I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @ScarletNumber

    "it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, ... I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books"

    Um, I said "culture," not kitsch, literary sex toys, or children's babble.

    "I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse."

    If you mentioned Philip Roth approvingly, then it is about two galaxies out of your wheelhouse.

    Confederacy, like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie, which casting aside, is part of why the Bonfire movie was such a disaster; an HBO miniseries would do the trick, maybe something the size of True Detective. Many comic novels have the same problem making them hard to adapt -- what the author says about what is happening is often much funnier than what is actually happening. In Toole's case, it takes the form of the many asides and eccentric descriptors. It's kind of impossible to film the phrase "filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs."

    I don't think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius -- maybe Nathan Lane in his prime could have done it. They even tried Will Ferrell, and even that didn't work. Maybe there's some RADA Brit who's been busy doing Falstaff on stage whom the rest of us haven't heard of.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Curle, @HammerJack

    , @Guest007
    @ScarletNumber

    In an article in the Atlantic, an anonymous English instructor at an open admission university noted that there is not one book, movie, song, TV show of anything that all of her students have seen/heard/read. The instructor said the closest was the movie "The Wizard of Oz." Remember, more than 50% of Americans do not watch a minute of the Super Bowl and that is by far the most watched TV program.

  203. @ThreeCranes
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Did Bill Kristol attend a University? He speaks like a trade school graduate. He, quite simply, doesn't understand a word the large man says. Every time he chimes in he is off topic and the large man patiently reviews and restates what he had just said, the point he had just made.

    Kristol is like a simple-minded child. His mind runs in a groove. Is this the Jewish perspective in general? Such that he cannot grasp Western history? Apparently, the Greeks and Romans are just so foreign to Judaism that Jews simply cannot use the terms—sorta like Sailer mentioning the Sapir Whorf hypothesis—cannot think the thoughts the big man uses as Western intellectual coin of the realm. Ignorance on display.

    For the big man, following in the footsteps of Plato and Aristotle, Arete, or Excellence, is a moral habit which is the hub of the wheel. The superior man strives for excellence for its own sake as well as trying to instantiate what is good for all citizens.

    Simply being smart about current social theories, mouthing platitudes about what he undoubtedly calls "democracy" and making money—Kristol's Jewish values, apparently—are not the litmus test. He is floundering out of his depth, utterly unprepared to take part in this dialogue because he is, fundamentally, a cynic.

    Jews simply cannot imagine that in the West (and China), thought and political leaders could have been motivated by unselfish, beneficial-for-all motives. This inability reveals a fundamental flaw in their character. Unable to do so themselves—at least with respect with Europeans—they cannot imagine that Europeans have that capacity themselves.

    I've never seen anything quite like this. Kristol is like an African tribal black confronted with a jet engine. He doesn't even know enough to ask pertinent questions. If this is an example of a Jewish intellectual, then Jews are frauds.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Anon

    I’ve never seen anything quite like this.

    What do you mean?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Anon

    In public life, an allegedly intelligent man so completely at sea, out of his element but trying gamely to turn the discussion back onto familiar territory i.e. contemporary, fashionable Jewish criticism of Western values and performance. Kristol had no tools with which to approach or handle the Greeks.

    Jews have become lazy (maybe they always were). They confine their critique to Christianity, acting as though Christianity were the main event. It isn't. Christianity is the bastard offspring of Greco/Roman civilization and Jewish millennialism. An "intellectual" like Kristol is lost when confronted with a scholar of Greek civilization. All he can do is reguritate the Jewish critique of contemporary Christian/American democratic capitalism—you can put quotes around those if that pleases you.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  204. @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?
     
    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one - for your edification.

    My point was not that Jack D shouldn't criticize blacks for their widespread social pathology. Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy (criticizing blacks = totally fine, criticizing Jews = dirty Nazism!). The point is, all should be critiqued and none should be immune from criticism. Jack D can and should criticize blacks for their issues. As well, others can and should do the same for Jews and, yes, Indians without the fear of being labeled as a racist.

    But, as you well know, with Jack D, Jews can never do any wrong - it's always some dirty Nazi goy's fault.

    Lest you play the childish game of "You do the same for Asians," let's wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014, nearly a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-not-just-ask-them/#comment-666152


    Young Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent today are increasingly not of this mold. They have no idea about anti-communism. Except for a dedicated core of evangelical Protestants, they are largely atheistic. They do not revere the Anglo-American civic and political traditions and heritage as I do. They don’t have the same sense of gratitude I feel toward this country. They have been indoctrinated by SWPL apologist nonsense for decades now. For that matter, demographically, they are increasingly more South Asian/Indian (pagan or Muslim) or Chinese (atheist/Chinese nationalist) and less dissident Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese, meaning they are less likely to respect and assimilate into the traditional Anglo-American culture.

    Frankly, I am not optimistic that increased Asian immigration would benefit this country, even if Asians commit fewer crimes than whites and are academically more successful.
     

    As for this:

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.
     
    Yeah, all five of them. There are probably more people who believe the earth is flat than there are those who consider East Asians Untermenschen.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Corvinus, @Frau Katze

    Don’t stop Corvy, he’s on a roll! 10,026 I believe.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6372758

  205. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    In the last few days I was wondering on this blog if Tommy Smothers was truly funny and if Jerry Lewis was truly funny. Perhaps A Confederacy of Dunces falls into the same category, where it is better known for being funny than for actually being funny. I do know that whenever they try to make a movie of it, something happens to derail it, with the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman being the final nail in the coffin. I hear Ron Swanson played I.J. Reilly on the stage, and I can see him in the role, so who knows?

    • Replies: @From Beer to Paternity
    @ScarletNumber

    Confederacy of Dunces is truly funny.

    It's likely best if no films attempt to capture it. And perhaps it's a class and generational thing.

  206. My pyloric valve is tickled. A Confederacy of Dunces needs to be read by all.

    And I can guar-on-tee that “C.D. Payne,” author of the immensely profitable Youth in Revolt was heavily influenced by that work.

    Don’t get me wrong, I really loved Youth in Revolt as a novel. But after the sequels and Hollywood issued corruptions I grew tired.

    John Kennedy Toole was an American type of the Czech Jaroslav Hasek.

  207. @ScarletNumber
    @TBA

    In the last few days I was wondering on this blog if Tommy Smothers was truly funny and if Jerry Lewis was truly funny. Perhaps A Confederacy of Dunces falls into the same category, where it is better known for being funny than for actually being funny. I do know that whenever they try to make a movie of it, something happens to derail it, with the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman being the final nail in the coffin. I hear Ron Swanson played I.J. Reilly on the stage, and I can see him in the role, so who knows?

    Replies: @From Beer to Paternity

    Confederacy of Dunces is truly funny.

    It’s likely best if no films attempt to capture it. And perhaps it’s a class and generational thing.

  208. @Twinkie
    @ThreeCranes

    I think commenter Intelligent Dasein meant to disparage Prof. Hankins by tying him to Kristol (guilt by association, if you will), but clearly the intended effect didn't take with you. ;)

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Agree but I just don’t see how Prof. Hankins was “tied” to Kristol. Kristol was off tempo, always on his back foot. He was at a loss when it came to discussing the nobility of our Western tradition; like a cynical teenager saying, “Sure, sure. Oh yes, you REALLY CARE about virtue and aiming for the highest intellectual and moral goals. Riiiight.”

    From evidence which was presented to my own eyes, I am forced to conclude that for lack of having made any meaningful contribution to civilization, Jews—as Jews—resenting our titanic accomplishments, throw sand in the works.

    Cue JackD. JD, it’s time for you to remind us that not all Jews are the same etc. etc.

    Yes, just our point, Jack. When they act other than as Jews, then they may make useful and meaningful contributions to Western civilization. But in so far as they are acting as Jews, then they can make no useful contribution to Western civilization. And by the same token, if they are making a useful contribution to Western civilization, then they are not Jews acting as Jews.

    Judaism is utterly incompatible with Greek and Roman civilization. The Emperors knew it. The leaders of the Jewish cult knew it.

    So lay off the sophistry*; it’s not working.

    Got it?

    *Virtually every argument put forth by the Sophists depended on ambiguity for its confounding effect. Ambiguity meaning, of course, a word having more than one definition or one whose meaning shifts in the course of the argument.

  209. @ScarletNumber
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.
     
    Considering it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, I think you are exaggerating a bit. I will take your word for it that it was the last piece of written fiction to captivate the nation at large, although I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books doing the same. It is worth mentioning that those books are British rather than American.

    Looking at the Pulitzer Prizes for fiction, the last author that I recognize is Philip Roth for American Pastoral in 1998. While the Game of Thrones series became popular because of the HBO show based on them, I don't remember them being in the zeitgeist when the first one was published in August 1996. I admit that I generally don't read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Guest007

    “it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, … I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books”

    Um, I said “culture,” not kitsch, literary sex toys, or children’s babble.

    “I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse.”

    If you mentioned Philip Roth approvingly, then it is about two galaxies out of your wheelhouse.

    Confederacy, like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie, which casting aside, is part of why the Bonfire movie was such a disaster; an HBO miniseries would do the trick, maybe something the size of True Detective. Many comic novels have the same problem making them hard to adapt — what the author says about what is happening is often much funnier than what is actually happening. In Toole’s case, it takes the form of the many asides and eccentric descriptors. It’s kind of impossible to film the phrase “filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs.”

    I don’t think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius — maybe Nathan Lane in his prime could have done it. They even tried Will Ferrell, and even that didn’t work. Maybe there’s some RADA Brit who’s been busy doing Falstaff on stage whom the rest of us haven’t heard of.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I've never read any of Roth's work, but I have heard of him as he is an alumnus of nearby Weequahic HS in Newark, which still exists but is now 90 percent black and 8.4 percent Hispanic with literally 0 white students. Whatever you think of his work, he was an undeniably famous author.


    I don’t think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius
     
    I had mentioned in another post that Nick Offerman played Ignatius at the Huntington Theatre Company in Boston and I think he has the chops to do so on the screen. I can also see Rainn Wilson in the role.

    https://media.wbur.org/wp/2015/11/22594865289_c37ba2ffab_k.jpg
    , @Curle
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie
     
    I must be the only person who liked Bonfire, the movie. I’ve seen it a few times. Sure, it couldn’t replicate the book but I liked DePalma’s camera shots. And there was Reverend Bacon.
    , @HammerJack
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    For my part I wish no one would even attempt to make a movie of Confederacy. As you explain, some of it is essentially un-filmable.

    The novel, meanwhile, may just be one of those things that people either get, or don't. In my case it may have helped that I spent formative years in the Crescent City.

    My favorite place that I ever lived as a child! But that was in the Before Times. And even then you could tell what the problem was going to be.

  210. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @ScarletNumber

    "it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, ... I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books"

    Um, I said "culture," not kitsch, literary sex toys, or children's babble.

    "I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse."

    If you mentioned Philip Roth approvingly, then it is about two galaxies out of your wheelhouse.

    Confederacy, like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie, which casting aside, is part of why the Bonfire movie was such a disaster; an HBO miniseries would do the trick, maybe something the size of True Detective. Many comic novels have the same problem making them hard to adapt -- what the author says about what is happening is often much funnier than what is actually happening. In Toole's case, it takes the form of the many asides and eccentric descriptors. It's kind of impossible to film the phrase "filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs."

    I don't think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius -- maybe Nathan Lane in his prime could have done it. They even tried Will Ferrell, and even that didn't work. Maybe there's some RADA Brit who's been busy doing Falstaff on stage whom the rest of us haven't heard of.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Curle, @HammerJack

    I’ve never read any of Roth’s work, but I have heard of him as he is an alumnus of nearby Weequahic HS in Newark, which still exists but is now 90 percent black and 8.4 percent Hispanic with literally 0 white students. Whatever you think of his work, he was an undeniably famous author.

    I don’t think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius

    I had mentioned in another post that Nick Offerman played Ignatius at the Huntington Theatre Company in Boston and I think he has the chops to do so on the screen. I can also see Rainn Wilson in the role.

  211. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @ScarletNumber

    "it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, ... I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books"

    Um, I said "culture," not kitsch, literary sex toys, or children's babble.

    "I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse."

    If you mentioned Philip Roth approvingly, then it is about two galaxies out of your wheelhouse.

    Confederacy, like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie, which casting aside, is part of why the Bonfire movie was such a disaster; an HBO miniseries would do the trick, maybe something the size of True Detective. Many comic novels have the same problem making them hard to adapt -- what the author says about what is happening is often much funnier than what is actually happening. In Toole's case, it takes the form of the many asides and eccentric descriptors. It's kind of impossible to film the phrase "filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs."

    I don't think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius -- maybe Nathan Lane in his prime could have done it. They even tried Will Ferrell, and even that didn't work. Maybe there's some RADA Brit who's been busy doing Falstaff on stage whom the rest of us haven't heard of.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Curle, @HammerJack

    like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie

    I must be the only person who liked Bonfire, the movie. I’ve seen it a few times. Sure, it couldn’t replicate the book but I liked DePalma’s camera shots. And there was Reverend Bacon.

  212. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @ScarletNumber

    "it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, ... I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books"

    Um, I said "culture," not kitsch, literary sex toys, or children's babble.

    "I admit that I generally don’t read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse."

    If you mentioned Philip Roth approvingly, then it is about two galaxies out of your wheelhouse.

    Confederacy, like Bonfire of the Vanities, is simply too large to make into an effective single movie, which casting aside, is part of why the Bonfire movie was such a disaster; an HBO miniseries would do the trick, maybe something the size of True Detective. Many comic novels have the same problem making them hard to adapt -- what the author says about what is happening is often much funnier than what is actually happening. In Toole's case, it takes the form of the many asides and eccentric descriptors. It's kind of impossible to film the phrase "filled with disapproval and potato chip crumbs."

    I don't think Hollywood has yet coughed up an actor capable of doing justice to Ignatius -- maybe Nathan Lane in his prime could have done it. They even tried Will Ferrell, and even that didn't work. Maybe there's some RADA Brit who's been busy doing Falstaff on stage whom the rest of us haven't heard of.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Curle, @HammerJack

    For my part I wish no one would even attempt to make a movie of Confederacy. As you explain, some of it is essentially un-filmable.

    The novel, meanwhile, may just be one of those things that people either get, or don’t. In my case it may have helped that I spent formative years in the Crescent City.

    My favorite place that I ever lived as a child! But that was in the Before Times. And even then you could tell what the problem was going to be.

  213. @ScarletNumber
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    It was perhaps the last truly unifying moment in American culture, the literary equivalent of the Beatles at Shea Stadium.
     
    Considering it came out before the last episode of M*A*S*H, I think you are exaggerating a bit. I will take your word for it that it was the last piece of written fiction to captivate the nation at large, although I seem to remember Fifty Shades of Grey and the Harry Potter books doing the same. It is worth mentioning that those books are British rather than American.

    Looking at the Pulitzer Prizes for fiction, the last author that I recognize is Philip Roth for American Pastoral in 1998. While the Game of Thrones series became popular because of the HBO show based on them, I don't remember them being in the zeitgeist when the first one was published in August 1996. I admit that I generally don't read fiction, so this might be out of my wheelhouse.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Guest007

    In an article in the Atlantic, an anonymous English instructor at an open admission university noted that there is not one book, movie, song, TV show of anything that all of her students have seen/heard/read. The instructor said the closest was the movie “The Wizard of Oz.” Remember, more than 50% of Americans do not watch a minute of the Super Bowl and that is by far the most watched TV program.

  214. @Anon
    @ThreeCranes


    I’ve never seen anything quite like this.
     
    What do you mean?

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    In public life, an allegedly intelligent man so completely at sea, out of his element but trying gamely to turn the discussion back onto familiar territory i.e. contemporary, fashionable Jewish criticism of Western values and performance. Kristol had no tools with which to approach or handle the Greeks.

    Jews have become lazy (maybe they always were). They confine their critique to Christianity, acting as though Christianity were the main event. It isn’t. Christianity is the bastard offspring of Greco/Roman civilization and Jewish millennialism. An “intellectual” like Kristol is lost when confronted with a scholar of Greek civilization. All he can do is reguritate the Jewish critique of contemporary Christian/American democratic capitalism—you can put quotes around those if that pleases you.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @ThreeCranes

    It's as though Jews have fallen prey to their own trap. Thinking themselves clever for having depicted Whites as though they were all "Johnsons" in Blazing Saddles i.e. somewhat stalwart but ignorant proles, Jews now believe their own propaganda. Having drunk their own Kool-Aid, they fail to address the deeper roots of European people and so underestimate their opponent—a sure recipe for disaster. And the Jews will fail again, as they have done so many times before, catastrophically. And as they go down, they will do so with that customary, caustic, barbed remark on their lip, a put-down at Europe's expense.

  215. @ThreeCranes
    @Anon

    In public life, an allegedly intelligent man so completely at sea, out of his element but trying gamely to turn the discussion back onto familiar territory i.e. contemporary, fashionable Jewish criticism of Western values and performance. Kristol had no tools with which to approach or handle the Greeks.

    Jews have become lazy (maybe they always were). They confine their critique to Christianity, acting as though Christianity were the main event. It isn't. Christianity is the bastard offspring of Greco/Roman civilization and Jewish millennialism. An "intellectual" like Kristol is lost when confronted with a scholar of Greek civilization. All he can do is reguritate the Jewish critique of contemporary Christian/American democratic capitalism—you can put quotes around those if that pleases you.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    It’s as though Jews have fallen prey to their own trap. Thinking themselves clever for having depicted Whites as though they were all “Johnsons” in Blazing Saddles i.e. somewhat stalwart but ignorant proles, Jews now believe their own propaganda. Having drunk their own Kool-Aid, they fail to address the deeper roots of European people and so underestimate their opponent—a sure recipe for disaster. And the Jews will fail again, as they have done so many times before, catastrophically. And as they go down, they will do so with that customary, caustic, barbed remark on their lip, a put-down at Europe’s expense.

  216. @Curle
    @Jack D

    “America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”. Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn’t Jews that made America “multi-ethnic”, it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships .”

    Good God your knowledge of American history is superficial.

    Jews came to North America with the Spanish. Maybe not the Polish Jews, still. Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown. The 1619 stuff is intentionally misleading.

    The crypto Jews who keep cropping up in parts of Spanish North America were here because the Spanish sovereigns made it advisable for them to come here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    At the time of the American Revolution, the upper bound estimate of the US Jewish population was 2,500 mostly Sephardic Jews, of which around 800 would have been working age males. Even if every one of those men was a slave trader (they weren’t) 800 people was not nearly enough to run the whole slave trade.

  217. @Curle
    @Jack D

    “America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”. Putting aside the anti-Semitic lies about how the Jews single handedly ran the slave trade (Farrakhan invented this) , it wasn’t Jews that made America “multi-ethnic”, it was Yankee sea captains with their slave ships .”

    Good God your knowledge of American history is superficial.

    Jews came to North America with the Spanish. Maybe not the Polish Jews, still. Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown. The 1619 stuff is intentionally misleading.

    The crypto Jews who keep cropping up in parts of Spanish North America were here because the Spanish sovereigns made it advisable for them to come here.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jack D

    Africans, in any significant numbers, arrived approximately 100 years after Jamestown.

    Now put your statement together with The Atlantic article which you reference:

    If one were to inquire more neutrally
    into what role Jews played in the Atlantic
    slave trade, one would find that it was a
    considerable one during the formative
    years of the trade, in the sixteenth and
    seventeenth centuries, and a very small
    one when the trade reached much greater
    volume, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.

    and you’ll see that Jews had very little to do with the slave trade in North America. Whoever enslaved Farrakhan’s ancestors, it wasn’t a Jew.

  218. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    BTW, you are always going on about the “one people” stuff but America was “”multi-ethnic” from the start with Anglo-Saxons and Africans. Long before any Jew ever set foot in America it was already “multi-ethnic”.
     
    It was more Anglo-Saxon than the “Jewish State” is jewish. Not even when the jews seized land by force in 1948 did they have a majority. Nowadays, jews amount to barely half the population of Palestine. If you count the Gentile families that were forced to flee the territory as a consequence of jewish wars, the Gentiles have a clear majority.

    So how do you define “Jewish State”?

    Replies: @Jack D

    the Gentile families

    Hamas doesn’t seem very Gentile to me. More like savages. “Gentile” in relation to Muslims is an attempt to obfuscate the truth. These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.

    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole “settler colonialist” narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.

    • Disagree: Jett Rucker
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.
     
    As they did on 9/11.

    However as I write this it occurs to me that there is no doubt a conspiracy theory that Jews did 9/11.
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole “settler colonialist” narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.
     
    This is a complete crock of shit even Israelis don't believe and say (only from a pencil-necked diaspora Jew sitting safely in his comfy American suburb).

    Middle Eastern Jews were expelled in response to the Zionist settlers expelling Palestinians from their homes. Neither was morally justified and to pretend otherwise is just spewing complete nonsense.

    First, the Israeli expulsions of Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

    A document produced by the Israeli Defence Forces Intelligence Service entitled "The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947 – 1/6/1948" was dated 30 June 1948 and became widely known around 1985.[8]

    The document details 11 factors which caused the exodus, and lists them "in order of importance":

    1. Direct, hostile Jewish [ Haganah/IDF ] operations against Arab settlements.
    2. The effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations against nearby [Arab] settlements... (... especially the fall of large neighbouring centers).
    3. Operation of [Jewish] dissidents [ Irgun Tzvai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]
    4. Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].
    5. Jewish whispering operations [psychological warfare], aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
    6. Ultimate expulsion orders [by Jewish forces]
    7. Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
    8. The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
    9. Fear of Arab invasion and its consequences [mainly near the borders].
    10. Isolated Arab villages in purely [predominantly] Jewish areas.
    11. Various local factors and general fear of the future.[9][10]

    According to Shay Hazkani, "In the past two decades, following the powerful reverberations (concerning the cause of the Nakba) triggered by the publication of books written by those dubbed the "New Historians," the Israeli archives revoked access to much of the explosive material. Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as "top secret."[11]
     
    Then the reaction from the Arab world (in Iran, Jews were not expelled until the revolution in 1979-80): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen, and Libya. In these cases, over 90% of the Jewish population left, despite the necessity of leaving their assets and properties behind.[4] Between 1948 and 1951, 260000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Arab countries.[5] In response, the Israeli government implemented policies to accommodate 600000 immigrants over a period of four years, doubling the country's Jewish population.[6] This move encountered mixed reactions in the Knesset; in addition to some Israeli officials, there were those within the Jewish Agency who opposed promoting a large-scale emigration movement among Jews whose lives were not in immediate danger.[6]

    Later waves peaked at different times in different regions over the subsequent decades. The peak of the exodus from Egypt occurred in 1956, following the Suez Crisis. The emigrations from the other countries of North Africa peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon was the only Arab country that saw an increase in its Jewish population during this period, due to an influx of Jews from other Arab countries, though this was temporary—by the mid-1970s, the Jewish community of Lebanon had also dwindled. 600000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had relocated to Israel by 1972,[7][8][9][10] while another 300000 migrated to France and the United States. Today, the descendants of Jews who immigrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern lands (known as Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews) constitute more than half of the total Israeli population.[11] This is due in part to their higher fertility rate, particularly vis-à-vis the country's Ashkenazi Jews.[12]
     
    And it wasn't all expulsions either:

    The reasons for the exoduses are manifold, including: pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, find a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel or Europe and the Americas, and the Israeli government's implementation of official policy in favour of the "One Million Plan" to focus on accommodating Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;[17] and push factors, such as antisemitism, persecution, and pogroms, political instability,[18] poverty,[18] and expulsion.
     
    And though these Middle Eastern Jews are now more than half of the population of Israel, it has been dominated by the secular Ashkenazi Jews (from Europe and their progeny) for most of its history. The claim that "Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US" is beyond laughable.

    And I spent time in Israel unlike Jack D (Jack D didn't even know a common secular Israeli cultural practice of eating pork as a treat after Bar Mitzvah in Israel in the past): https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6375774

    He doesn't know Jack about Israel (pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

  219. @SFG
    Well, *someone’s* got 25x expenses.

    Yeah, he’s Ignatius Reilly, plus about 60 IQ points and an actual sense of self discipline and ethics. He’s who Reilly thinks he is and secretly wishes he were-an educated student and exponent of the Western tradition. Look at him dropping references to Washington and Ptolemy I, dropping in a reference to the Islamic world for good measure, and actually attacking the argument-he’s what you thought a college professor was 50 years ago.

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Prester John, @Frau Katze, @Paleo Retiree, @James N. Kennett

    My best guess is the guy is old enough to not care and figures he’ll go out with a bang. All in all, we shall not look upon his like again.

    Indeed. He’s 69 this year, so he hasn’t got long before he retires. It would not be worthwhile for the HR/DIE administrators to try to fire him because he will be gone soon anyway. And equally, so late in his career, he does not have much to lose.

  220. @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    the Gentile families
     
    Hamas doesn't seem very Gentile to me. More like savages. "Gentile" in relation to Muslims is an attempt to obfuscate the truth. These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.

    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole "settler colonialist" narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

    These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.

    As they did on 9/11.

    However as I write this it occurs to me that there is no doubt a conspiracy theory that Jews did 9/11.

  221. @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?
     
    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one - for your edification.

    My point was not that Jack D shouldn't criticize blacks for their widespread social pathology. Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy (criticizing blacks = totally fine, criticizing Jews = dirty Nazism!). The point is, all should be critiqued and none should be immune from criticism. Jack D can and should criticize blacks for their issues. As well, others can and should do the same for Jews and, yes, Indians without the fear of being labeled as a racist.

    But, as you well know, with Jack D, Jews can never do any wrong - it's always some dirty Nazi goy's fault.

    Lest you play the childish game of "You do the same for Asians," let's wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014, nearly a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-not-just-ask-them/#comment-666152


    Young Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent today are increasingly not of this mold. They have no idea about anti-communism. Except for a dedicated core of evangelical Protestants, they are largely atheistic. They do not revere the Anglo-American civic and political traditions and heritage as I do. They don’t have the same sense of gratitude I feel toward this country. They have been indoctrinated by SWPL apologist nonsense for decades now. For that matter, demographically, they are increasingly more South Asian/Indian (pagan or Muslim) or Chinese (atheist/Chinese nationalist) and less dissident Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese, meaning they are less likely to respect and assimilate into the traditional Anglo-American culture.

    Frankly, I am not optimistic that increased Asian immigration would benefit this country, even if Asians commit fewer crimes than whites and are academically more successful.
     

    As for this:

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.
     
    Yeah, all five of them. There are probably more people who believe the earth is flat than there are those who consider East Asians Untermenschen.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Corvinus, @Frau Katze

    “Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence”

    Why stoop to the level of your alleged white allies on this fine opinion webzine?

    “Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy “

    Indeed, and I am pointing out your own confirmation biases, which you lucidly confirm.

    “let’s wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014”

    Right, a self righteous, elitist position. Basically, any Asian who you label as unwilling to hold to a conservative ideology is unassailable. Doesn’t work that way.

    “Yeah, all five of them”

    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country. But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans, whether they’ve been here for long time or for short period.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country.
     
    I'm already an American, so it's my country now. If you don't agree, do something about it, chump.

    If by "your kind," you mean Asians, I disagree. I think there should be a mass immigration moratorium for the foreseeable future, including that for Asians. The fraction of the country that is foreign-born is now the highest in decades. That's not good for social cohesion and assimilation.


    But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans
     
    I am not "fond of Asian-Americans," so I guess I'm with them? ;)

    I do not care what your prefix is. If you are patriotic and care about the country as a whole and the (existing) American people in general, you are on my team. If not, you are not on my team. It's that simple. The vast majority of whites I know seem to agree with this and that's good enough for me. I don't need some kind of "fondness" or pandering to a particular ethnic group, even mine.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  222. @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    “Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence”

    Why stoop to the level of your alleged white allies on this fine opinion webzine?

    “Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy “

    Indeed, and I am pointing out your own confirmation biases, which you lucidly confirm.

    “let’s wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014”

    Right, a self righteous, elitist position. Basically, any Asian who you label as unwilling to hold to a conservative ideology is unassailable. Doesn’t work that way.

    “Yeah, all five of them”

    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country. But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans, whether they’ve been here for long time or for short period.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country.

    I’m already an American, so it’s my country now. If you don’t agree, do something about it, chump.

    If by “your kind,” you mean Asians, I disagree. I think there should be a mass immigration moratorium for the foreseeable future, including that for Asians. The fraction of the country that is foreign-born is now the highest in decades. That’s not good for social cohesion and assimilation.

    But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans

    I am not “fond of Asian-Americans,” so I guess I’m with them? 😉

    I do not care what your prefix is. If you are patriotic and care about the country as a whole and the (existing) American people in general, you are on my team. If not, you are not on my team. It’s that simple. The vast majority of whites I know seem to agree with this and that’s good enough for me. I don’t need some kind of “fondness” or pandering to a particular ethnic group, even mine.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Twinkie

    "I’m already an American, so it’s my country now."

    Yes, a "paper American" or "Ellis Island American". Not a "true American" or "Heritage American", or so I've been told.

    "If you don’t agree, do something about it, chump."

    OK, Bruce Lee.

    "If by “your kind,” you mean Asians, I disagree"

    Of course you are Asian. It's no secret.

    "I think there should be a mass immigration moratorium for the foreseeable future, including that for
    Asians."

    I have stated for the record that I believe we ought to limit significantly the number of immigrants coming to our nation as well. What I oppose is your notion that Guatamalans, Kenyans, and Filipinos lack the skill to successfully integrate into our nation. The reality is that can and have.

    "The fraction of the country that is foreign-born is now the highest in decades. That’s not good for social cohesion and assimilation."

    Exactly what nativists said about your kind. You have to go back.

    "I am not “fond of Asian-Americans,” so I guess I’m with them? 😉"

    This is your crowd.

    https://library.osu.edu/site/cartoons/2017/10/04/new-exhibits-looking-backward-looking-forward-and-cartoon-couture/looking-backward-joseph-keppler/

    "If you are patriotic and care about the country as a whole and the (existing) American people in general, you are on my team. If not, you are not on my team. It’s that simple."

    Exactly how and why the three groups I mentioned are on your team.

  223. @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    the Gentile families
     
    Hamas doesn't seem very Gentile to me. More like savages. "Gentile" in relation to Muslims is an attempt to obfuscate the truth. These people have nothing in common with you and would kill you too if they had the chance.

    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole "settler colonialist" narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole “settler colonialist” narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.

    This is a complete crock of shit even Israelis don’t believe and say (only from a pencil-necked diaspora Jew sitting safely in his comfy American suburb).

    Middle Eastern Jews were expelled in response to the Zionist settlers expelling Palestinians from their homes. Neither was morally justified and to pretend otherwise is just spewing complete nonsense.

    First, the Israeli expulsions of Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

    A document produced by the Israeli Defence Forces Intelligence Service entitled “The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947 – 1/6/1948” was dated 30 June 1948 and became widely known around 1985.[8]

    The document details 11 factors which caused the exodus, and lists them “in order of importance”:

    1. Direct, hostile Jewish [ Haganah/IDF ] operations against Arab settlements.
    2. The effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations against nearby [Arab] settlements… (… especially the fall of large neighbouring centers).
    3. Operation of [Jewish] dissidents [ Irgun Tzvai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]
    4. Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].
    5. Jewish whispering operations [psychological warfare], aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
    6. Ultimate expulsion orders [by Jewish forces]
    7. Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
    8. The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
    9. Fear of Arab invasion and its consequences [mainly near the borders].
    10. Isolated Arab villages in purely [predominantly] Jewish areas.
    11. Various local factors and general fear of the future.[9][10]

    According to Shay Hazkani, “In the past two decades, following the powerful reverberations (concerning the cause of the Nakba) triggered by the publication of books written by those dubbed the “New Historians,” the Israeli archives revoked access to much of the explosive material. Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as “top secret.”[11]

    Then the reaction from the Arab world (in Iran, Jews were not expelled until the revolution in 1979-80): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen, and Libya. In these cases, over 90% of the Jewish population left, despite the necessity of leaving their assets and properties behind.[4] Between 1948 and 1951, 260000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Arab countries.[5] In response, the Israeli government implemented policies to accommodate 600000 immigrants over a period of four years, doubling the country’s Jewish population.[6] This move encountered mixed reactions in the Knesset; in addition to some Israeli officials, there were those within the Jewish Agency who opposed promoting a large-scale emigration movement among Jews whose lives were not in immediate danger.[6]

    Later waves peaked at different times in different regions over the subsequent decades. The peak of the exodus from Egypt occurred in 1956, following the Suez Crisis. The emigrations from the other countries of North Africa peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon was the only Arab country that saw an increase in its Jewish population during this period, due to an influx of Jews from other Arab countries, though this was temporary—by the mid-1970s, the Jewish community of Lebanon had also dwindled. 600000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had relocated to Israel by 1972,[7][8][9][10] while another 300000 migrated to France and the United States. Today, the descendants of Jews who immigrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern lands (known as Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews) constitute more than half of the total Israeli population.[11] This is due in part to their higher fertility rate, particularly vis-à-vis the country’s Ashkenazi Jews.[12]

    And it wasn’t all expulsions either:

    The reasons for the exoduses are manifold, including: pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, find a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel or Europe and the Americas, and the Israeli government’s implementation of official policy in favour of the “One Million Plan” to focus on accommodating Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;[17] and push factors, such as antisemitism, persecution, and pogroms, political instability,[18] poverty,[18] and expulsion.

    And though these Middle Eastern Jews are now more than half of the population of Israel, it has been dominated by the secular Ashkenazi Jews (from Europe and their progeny) for most of its history. The claim that “Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US” is beyond laughable.

    And I spent time in Israel unlike Jack D (Jack D didn’t even know a common secular Israeli cultural practice of eating pork as a treat after Bar Mitzvah in Israel in the past): https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6375774

    He doesn’t know Jack about Israel (pun intended).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too but it doesn't follow that the Arab Muslims living in the West Bank are refugees and the Arab Jews living in Israel are "settler colonialists". In effect what happened was an "exchange of population" - this happened frequently as a result of war in the 20th century - between Greece and Turkey, between India and Pakistan, between Germany and Eastern Europe. The only difference here is that those other exchanges are considered done deals but each time after the Arabs lose a war to destroy Israel they ask for a do-over.

    And there has to be some statute of limitations on "refugee"/ "settler colonialist" status. These should not be inherited titles. Maybe your great grandpa (well not yours - he was back in Pyongyang enjoying his dog soup) was a "settler colonialist" on the lands of the Sioux or the Cherokee, but after X generations his great grandchildren are Americans.

    Regardless of WHY the Arab governments expelled their Jewish population, where were they supposed to go? The bottom line of the true anti-Semite is that they don't want Jews living ANYWHERE. When my father was a kid, the slogan of the Polish anti-Semites was "Jews to Palestine". Now that the Jews are in Palestine, today's anti-Semites chant , "Jews out of Palestine". What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie


    And it wasn’t all expulsions either:
     
    None of the information you posted in the preceding paragraph refers to expulsions. It refers to Jews “leaving” these countries, and doing so over quite a long time period.

    One sentence even states that Jews who left needed to leave their assets behind. Why do you think that was? It was because those countries didn’t want them to leave. There were concerned about the impact on their economies. Jews were one of the wealthiest and most privileged groups in those countries.

  224. Steve,

    You should look up Benjamin Herold and his book Disillusioned: Five Families and the Unraveling of America’s Suburbs

    https://www.the74million.org/article/in-new-book-diverse-families-find-broken-schools-broken-dreams-in-the-burbs/

    ” Herold spent four years examining the historical record and found a pattern: As suburbs age, municipal revenues often fall, even as the costs of maintaining infrastructure rise. An “entrenched culture of political backscratching and can-kicking” exacerbates these problems.”

  225. @Bardon Kaldian
    He couldn't say that racial, national or ethnic diversity is no strength in any situation.

    Replies: @IHTG, @James J. O'Meara, @Mr. XYZ, @AnotherDad, @Jett Rucker

    Yes, he couldn’t/didn’t.

    So?

  226. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole “settler colonialist” narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.
     
    This is a complete crock of shit even Israelis don't believe and say (only from a pencil-necked diaspora Jew sitting safely in his comfy American suburb).

    Middle Eastern Jews were expelled in response to the Zionist settlers expelling Palestinians from their homes. Neither was morally justified and to pretend otherwise is just spewing complete nonsense.

    First, the Israeli expulsions of Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

    A document produced by the Israeli Defence Forces Intelligence Service entitled "The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947 – 1/6/1948" was dated 30 June 1948 and became widely known around 1985.[8]

    The document details 11 factors which caused the exodus, and lists them "in order of importance":

    1. Direct, hostile Jewish [ Haganah/IDF ] operations against Arab settlements.
    2. The effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations against nearby [Arab] settlements... (... especially the fall of large neighbouring centers).
    3. Operation of [Jewish] dissidents [ Irgun Tzvai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]
    4. Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].
    5. Jewish whispering operations [psychological warfare], aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
    6. Ultimate expulsion orders [by Jewish forces]
    7. Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
    8. The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
    9. Fear of Arab invasion and its consequences [mainly near the borders].
    10. Isolated Arab villages in purely [predominantly] Jewish areas.
    11. Various local factors and general fear of the future.[9][10]

    According to Shay Hazkani, "In the past two decades, following the powerful reverberations (concerning the cause of the Nakba) triggered by the publication of books written by those dubbed the "New Historians," the Israeli archives revoked access to much of the explosive material. Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as "top secret."[11]
     
    Then the reaction from the Arab world (in Iran, Jews were not expelled until the revolution in 1979-80): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen, and Libya. In these cases, over 90% of the Jewish population left, despite the necessity of leaving their assets and properties behind.[4] Between 1948 and 1951, 260000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Arab countries.[5] In response, the Israeli government implemented policies to accommodate 600000 immigrants over a period of four years, doubling the country's Jewish population.[6] This move encountered mixed reactions in the Knesset; in addition to some Israeli officials, there were those within the Jewish Agency who opposed promoting a large-scale emigration movement among Jews whose lives were not in immediate danger.[6]

    Later waves peaked at different times in different regions over the subsequent decades. The peak of the exodus from Egypt occurred in 1956, following the Suez Crisis. The emigrations from the other countries of North Africa peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon was the only Arab country that saw an increase in its Jewish population during this period, due to an influx of Jews from other Arab countries, though this was temporary—by the mid-1970s, the Jewish community of Lebanon had also dwindled. 600000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had relocated to Israel by 1972,[7][8][9][10] while another 300000 migrated to France and the United States. Today, the descendants of Jews who immigrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern lands (known as Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews) constitute more than half of the total Israeli population.[11] This is due in part to their higher fertility rate, particularly vis-à-vis the country's Ashkenazi Jews.[12]
     
    And it wasn't all expulsions either:

    The reasons for the exoduses are manifold, including: pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, find a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel or Europe and the Americas, and the Israeli government's implementation of official policy in favour of the "One Million Plan" to focus on accommodating Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;[17] and push factors, such as antisemitism, persecution, and pogroms, political instability,[18] poverty,[18] and expulsion.
     
    And though these Middle Eastern Jews are now more than half of the population of Israel, it has been dominated by the secular Ashkenazi Jews (from Europe and their progeny) for most of its history. The claim that "Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US" is beyond laughable.

    And I spent time in Israel unlike Jack D (Jack D didn't even know a common secular Israeli cultural practice of eating pork as a treat after Bar Mitzvah in Israel in the past): https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6375774

    He doesn't know Jack about Israel (pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too but it doesn’t follow that the Arab Muslims living in the West Bank are refugees and the Arab Jews living in Israel are “settler colonialists”. In effect what happened was an “exchange of population” – this happened frequently as a result of war in the 20th century – between Greece and Turkey, between India and Pakistan, between Germany and Eastern Europe. The only difference here is that those other exchanges are considered done deals but each time after the Arabs lose a war to destroy Israel they ask for a do-over.

    And there has to be some statute of limitations on “refugee”/ “settler colonialist” status. These should not be inherited titles. Maybe your great grandpa (well not yours – he was back in Pyongyang enjoying his dog soup) was a “settler colonialist” on the lands of the Sioux or the Cherokee, but after X generations his great grandchildren are Americans.

    Regardless of WHY the Arab governments expelled their Jewish population, where were they supposed to go? The bottom line of the true anti-Semite is that they don’t want Jews living ANYWHERE. When my father was a kid, the slogan of the Polish anti-Semites was “Jews to Palestine”. Now that the Jews are in Palestine, today’s anti-Semites chant , “Jews out of Palestine”. What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.
     
    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation instead of being a people who dwell apart or worse alien overlords.

    Israel is a fait accompli. It cannot and should not be undone. That doesn’t mean Jewish colonialism, aka Zionism, was morally justified or even necessary. It certainly doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions today (every year illegal settlements grow and displace more Palestinians). What’s worse, those actions make things worse for Israel and bequeath future Israelis with insecurity.

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too
     
    You can try, but your past efforts (e.g. you quoting Alinsky from Wiki) show that you do it badly, because you lack the underlying knowledge.

    Replies: @Jack D

  227. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too but it doesn't follow that the Arab Muslims living in the West Bank are refugees and the Arab Jews living in Israel are "settler colonialists". In effect what happened was an "exchange of population" - this happened frequently as a result of war in the 20th century - between Greece and Turkey, between India and Pakistan, between Germany and Eastern Europe. The only difference here is that those other exchanges are considered done deals but each time after the Arabs lose a war to destroy Israel they ask for a do-over.

    And there has to be some statute of limitations on "refugee"/ "settler colonialist" status. These should not be inherited titles. Maybe your great grandpa (well not yours - he was back in Pyongyang enjoying his dog soup) was a "settler colonialist" on the lands of the Sioux or the Cherokee, but after X generations his great grandchildren are Americans.

    Regardless of WHY the Arab governments expelled their Jewish population, where were they supposed to go? The bottom line of the true anti-Semite is that they don't want Jews living ANYWHERE. When my father was a kid, the slogan of the Polish anti-Semites was "Jews to Palestine". Now that the Jews are in Palestine, today's anti-Semites chant , "Jews out of Palestine". What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.

    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation instead of being a people who dwell apart or worse alien overlords.

    Israel is a fait accompli. It cannot and should not be undone. That doesn’t mean Jewish colonialism, aka Zionism, was morally justified or even necessary. It certainly doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions today (every year illegal settlements grow and displace more Palestinians). What’s worse, those actions make things worse for Israel and bequeath future Israelis with insecurity.

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too

    You can try, but your past efforts (e.g. you quoting Alinsky from Wiki) show that you do it badly, because you lack the underlying knowledge.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation
     
    In other words "Kill the Indian, save the man."

    The truth is that secular diaspora Jews are granting your wish. With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations. But if they do, that's their choice.

    This is the irony - that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion. Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli. I agree with you that we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world. The past can be left to the historians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  228. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    What they really want deep down is for Jews to disappear from the face of the earth.
     
    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation instead of being a people who dwell apart or worse alien overlords.

    Israel is a fait accompli. It cannot and should not be undone. That doesn’t mean Jewish colonialism, aka Zionism, was morally justified or even necessary. It certainly doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions today (every year illegal settlements grow and displace more Palestinians). What’s worse, those actions make things worse for Israel and bequeath future Israelis with insecurity.

    I can copy and paste from Wikipedia too
     
    You can try, but your past efforts (e.g. you quoting Alinsky from Wiki) show that you do it badly, because you lack the underlying knowledge.

    Replies: @Jack D

    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation

    In other words “Kill the Indian, save the man.”

    The truth is that secular diaspora Jews are granting your wish. With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations. But if they do, that’s their choice.

    This is the irony – that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion. Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli. I agree with you that we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world. The past can be left to the historians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    This is the irony – that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion.
     
    First of all, assimilation is not the same thing as being gassed in an oven by a Nazi. That's your and your people's number one problem right there - conflating the two. That's why you'll aways be a people who dwell apart and experience "otherness," because you "other" yourselves. Then you invert the causation and shriek hysterically about "antisemitism" even as you help yourselves to the generosity of the host societies. That, in a nutshell, is the Jewish problem (and for the opposite reason, there isn't "the Korean problem" anywhere even though they are evil dog-eating antisemites).

    America didn't anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth (Henry Kissinger: "any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"). But you are right about the kindness part - the U.S. has been the most philosemitic country on planet earth. Sadly, it's clear that you and yours don't reciprocate.

    With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations.
     
    Unfortunately no, it seems. Not just the number, but the fraction of people who are identified as Jews seems to be growing in the U.S. even as the general white population is declining in percentage, despite the fact that Jews are more upscale socio-economically, so should have lower fertility (so no "fellow whites" there). Aside from demographic factors, it seems that Jews, even when they intermarry, seem not to assimilate, but transmit to their own part-Jewish progeny minoritarianism and persecution complex.

    Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.
     
    You mean Jewish men find puppy-eating Asian (esp. Chinese) shiksas irresistible. What are you saying about the desirability of Jewish women as spouses, you dirty antisemite?

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli.
     
    Why should you appreciate this? Are you an Israeli? You just never fail to live up to the stereotypes. You are patriotic to the wrong country.

    we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world.
     
    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive. Wake up, this isn't the 18th or the 19th centuries and you aren't (I hope) married to your niece. Israel's problems in this post-modern world don't have a military solution.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

  229. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    No, what people want out of diaspora Jews is assimilation
     
    In other words "Kill the Indian, save the man."

    The truth is that secular diaspora Jews are granting your wish. With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations. But if they do, that's their choice.

    This is the irony - that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion. Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli. I agree with you that we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world. The past can be left to the historians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    This is the irony – that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion.

    First of all, assimilation is not the same thing as being gassed in an oven by a Nazi. That’s your and your people’s number one problem right there – conflating the two. That’s why you’ll aways be a people who dwell apart and experience “otherness,” because you “other” yourselves. Then you invert the causation and shriek hysterically about “antisemitism” even as you help yourselves to the generosity of the host societies. That, in a nutshell, is the Jewish problem (and for the opposite reason, there isn’t “the Korean problem” anywhere even though they are evil dog-eating antisemites).

    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth (Henry Kissinger: “any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong”). But you are right about the kindness part – the U.S. has been the most philosemitic country on planet earth. Sadly, it’s clear that you and yours don’t reciprocate.

    With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations.

    Unfortunately no, it seems. Not just the number, but the fraction of people who are identified as Jews seems to be growing in the U.S. even as the general white population is declining in percentage, despite the fact that Jews are more upscale socio-economically, so should have lower fertility (so no “fellow whites” there). Aside from demographic factors, it seems that Jews, even when they intermarry, seem not to assimilate, but transmit to their own part-Jewish progeny minoritarianism and persecution complex.

    Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.

    You mean Jewish men find puppy-eating Asian (esp. Chinese) shiksas irresistible. What are you saying about the desirability of Jewish women as spouses, you dirty antisemite?

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli.

    Why should you appreciate this? Are you an Israeli? You just never fail to live up to the stereotypes. You are patriotic to the wrong country.

    we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world.

    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive. Wake up, this isn’t the 18th or the 19th centuries and you aren’t (I hope) married to your niece. Israel’s problems in this post-modern world don’t have a military solution.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive
     
    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth
     
    As you may or may not know I am not an American but a Canadian.

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  230. @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    I have no qualms about your kind immigrating into my country.
     
    I'm already an American, so it's my country now. If you don't agree, do something about it, chump.

    If by "your kind," you mean Asians, I disagree. I think there should be a mass immigration moratorium for the foreseeable future, including that for Asians. The fraction of the country that is foreign-born is now the highest in decades. That's not good for social cohesion and assimilation.


    But you and I both know that there remains a fairly large number of whites here who aren’t fond of Asian-Americans
     
    I am not "fond of Asian-Americans," so I guess I'm with them? ;)

    I do not care what your prefix is. If you are patriotic and care about the country as a whole and the (existing) American people in general, you are on my team. If not, you are not on my team. It's that simple. The vast majority of whites I know seem to agree with this and that's good enough for me. I don't need some kind of "fondness" or pandering to a particular ethnic group, even mine.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “I’m already an American, so it’s my country now.”

    Yes, a “paper American” or “Ellis Island American”. Not a “true American” or “Heritage American”, or so I’ve been told.

    “If you don’t agree, do something about it, chump.”

    OK, Bruce Lee.

    “If by “your kind,” you mean Asians, I disagree”

    Of course you are Asian. It’s no secret.

    “I think there should be a mass immigration moratorium for the foreseeable future, including that for
    Asians.”

    I have stated for the record that I believe we ought to limit significantly the number of immigrants coming to our nation as well. What I oppose is your notion that Guatamalans, Kenyans, and Filipinos lack the skill to successfully integrate into our nation. The reality is that can and have.

    “The fraction of the country that is foreign-born is now the highest in decades. That’s not good for social cohesion and assimilation.”

    Exactly what nativists said about your kind. You have to go back.

    “I am not “fond of Asian-Americans,” so I guess I’m with them? 😉”

    This is your crowd.

    https://library.osu.edu/site/cartoons/2017/10/04/new-exhibits-looking-backward-looking-forward-and-cartoon-couture/looking-backward-joseph-keppler/

    “If you are patriotic and care about the country as a whole and the (existing) American people in general, you are on my team. If not, you are not on my team. It’s that simple.”

    Exactly how and why the three groups I mentioned are on your team.

  231. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    This is the irony – that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion.
     
    First of all, assimilation is not the same thing as being gassed in an oven by a Nazi. That's your and your people's number one problem right there - conflating the two. That's why you'll aways be a people who dwell apart and experience "otherness," because you "other" yourselves. Then you invert the causation and shriek hysterically about "antisemitism" even as you help yourselves to the generosity of the host societies. That, in a nutshell, is the Jewish problem (and for the opposite reason, there isn't "the Korean problem" anywhere even though they are evil dog-eating antisemites).

    America didn't anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth (Henry Kissinger: "any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"). But you are right about the kindness part - the U.S. has been the most philosemitic country on planet earth. Sadly, it's clear that you and yours don't reciprocate.

    With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations.
     
    Unfortunately no, it seems. Not just the number, but the fraction of people who are identified as Jews seems to be growing in the U.S. even as the general white population is declining in percentage, despite the fact that Jews are more upscale socio-economically, so should have lower fertility (so no "fellow whites" there). Aside from demographic factors, it seems that Jews, even when they intermarry, seem not to assimilate, but transmit to their own part-Jewish progeny minoritarianism and persecution complex.

    Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.
     
    You mean Jewish men find puppy-eating Asian (esp. Chinese) shiksas irresistible. What are you saying about the desirability of Jewish women as spouses, you dirty antisemite?

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli.
     
    Why should you appreciate this? Are you an Israeli? You just never fail to live up to the stereotypes. You are patriotic to the wrong country.

    we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world.
     
    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive. Wake up, this isn't the 18th or the 19th centuries and you aren't (I hope) married to your niece. Israel's problems in this post-modern world don't have a military solution.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive

    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    Even one square inch is too much land for the Jews in the antisemitic view. Twinkie wants the Jews to assimilate- in other words convert to Christianity like he did.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  232. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive
     
    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Even one square inch is too much land for the Jews in the antisemitic view. Twinkie wants the Jews to assimilate- in other words convert to Christianity like he did.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    I can’t figure out Twinkie. I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic). I cited a Reuters news story.

    He says that’s just Christian charitable feeling towards the illegals.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie

  233. @TBA
    Slightly off-topic: why is A Confederacy of Dunces regarded as a comic masterpiece? I read it as a teenager and wasn't impressed. Then, because Steve Sailer had lauded it, I re-read it in my forties: still meh. Could someone please explain what's so special about it?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @pirelli, @Leaonard, @Shale boi, @Currahee, @Intelligent Dasein, @Harry Baldwin, @Buzz Mohawk, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @PSR, @Vito Klein, @ScarletNumber, @Anon

    For the most part, it’s not that funny because the humor is repetitive. The novel didn’t have enough novelty.

  234. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    Even one square inch is too much land for the Jews in the antisemitic view. Twinkie wants the Jews to assimilate- in other words convert to Christianity like he did.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I can’t figure out Twinkie. I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic). I cited a Reuters news story.

    He says that’s just Christian charitable feeling towards the illegals.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    I can’t figure out Twinkie.
     
    That's because - forgive me, madame - you have poor reading comprehension and don't try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.

    Some examples:

    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.
     
    I am willing to cut some slack on your Jack D-like deluded know-it-all-ism here. I spent time in Israel in the early 2000's (as I worked on counterterrorism at that point in my life). Not only did I travel across Israel, I also went to West Bank (what Israelis call "Judea and Samaria"). So, I don't need a comparison to a U.S. state to understand the size of Israel.

    By "empire," what I meant was a polity that holds captive and controls a group of people (esp. non-co-ethnics) who do not consent to be ruled by the said polity, neither giving the captives citizenship nor self-determination (state of their own), all the while displacing them from their homes and replacing them with "settlers" from the polity ethnic group. That's a colonial empire and it ends up in tears for all concerned in this post-modern world (let alone a post-World War II landscape with wars of national liberation).

    I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic).
     
    The Church does no such thing. There are - within the clerical hierarchy - those who have taken the teachings of the Church regarding migrants (any migrants) and have interpreted them in ways to ease the sufferings of illegal aliens. I consider this to be wrong, as do many other Catholics. But this is not the doings of the Church as a whole. The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it crystal clear that Catholics are required to obey the laws of their country (provided certain conditions are met) - and that includes immigration laws.

    As a practical matter, American Catholics - who are very numerous and diverse (about 1/5 of the whole country) - are basically split half-and-half between the two parties. Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be "cultural" Catholic or "cradle" Catholic types - self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith.

    There are also generational splits. Among the priests and the bishops, the older ones (esp. of the 1960's-70's generational cohorts) tend to be more liberal while the younger ones (including the bishop and priests of my diocese) tend to be much more orthodox to the teachings of the Church and conservative in social outlook.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.
     
    What Jewish elites do isn't simply aiding and easing the difficult conditions for the illegal aliens. They influence and even dominate the media, corporations, the political system, etc. to curtail the enforcement of even the existing laws and constantly push to legalize the illegal aliens.

    In any case, my criticism of Jewish elites doesn't center around their position toward illegal aliens. In the main, it has to do with the lack of noblesse oblige toward ordinary Americans (who are mostly non-Jews), their self-serving machinations, and their destructive attitudes toward the core Americans and what was once a unifying common Christian culture. As commenter AnotherDad succinctly puts it, it's minoritarianism run amok and it's very destructive to the United States (and it will be for the Jewish elites as well in the long run).

    You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.
     
    I see you share Jack D's version of "logic and facts."

    Me: Israeli policies are counterproductive and will result in insecurity for the future generation of Israelis.

    Jack D: What about those Koreans? Dog-eating is still legal for 3 more years in South Korea!

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous

  235. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    I can’t figure out Twinkie. I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic). I cited a Reuters news story.

    He says that’s just Christian charitable feeling towards the illegals.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it’s the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    Good points. I guess his friends are part of the same sect and they reinforce each other. You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.

    , @Bill P
    @Jack D


    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust
     
    This is still pretty much orthodoxy; nostra aetate merely confirmed what's already in the Gospels, but the "modern" POV is wrong.

    The "curse" (it's actually God's disfavor) is presented as a blessing to the gentiles, as it gave them the opportunity to take on God's favor, but the greatest triumph comes when the Jews accept Christ (you can find this in Romans 11).

    Therefore, eliminating Jews is not OK, because that precludes the fulfillment of Christ's mission (there are of course other reasons, but this is irrefutable dogma).

    So the idea that traditional Catholicism had anything to do with attempts to wipe out Jews is hogwash. Protection of the Jews has long been a papal job requirement:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    Anti-Semitism does not exist. Never has. You're making shit up, for your own benefit. Always have.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Twinkie wants the Jews to assimilate- in other words convert to Christianity like he did.
     
    Ugh. I did not "convert to Christianity." I was raised as an evangelical Protestant and converted to Catholicism. While I'd like everyone to embrace the Good News and the love of Christ, why don't we just start with being patriotic to our own country first instead of Israel? It would also be helpful if the minority in question didn't try to undermine the majority's tradition and culture in the first place, with everything having to turn into a Holocaust morality play.

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.
     
    This is just sad now. I am not a sedevacantist and accept all ex cathedra teachings of the Church, including those of post-"Vatican II." You have some cartoon Nazi version of Catholicism you attribute to me, both because you are ignorant of Catholicism in general, aside from what you gather from the mainstream media and because you are a malicious and deceptive sophist. You clearly don't know and don't care to know what my actual religious views are, because you have never bothered to ask. You just conjure up images in your mind and project them onto me.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.
     
    I tried my best to edify you, but you don't care about the truth. The Church has always protected the Jews (you clearly don't understand that Catholics - and indeed Christians in general - see themselves as spiritual Jews); what it has sought to suppress has been nefarious influences and behaviors of Jews (such as usury, tax farming, attacks on the Church, etc.). The Church - modern or not - is not "pro-gay" or "pro-immigrant" or even "quite liberal." As befitting a Church with over one billion adherents, there is a wide diversity of views and tendencies, but globally Catholics tend to be a conservative lot. And the relentless attacks and calumny against the Church from the mainstream media (which you regularly parrot) happen because the Church teaching on things such as homosexuality are now countercultural, not because the Church is so liberal or pro-gay.

    In any case, this is just so much ad hominem and distortions, to which you exclusively resort now with me. It's clear that you can't argue the merits of the case in the disagreements we have had (which is natural given that you make up assertions and I painstakingly dispel them with evidence), so this is now your entire method of discourse.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYfAIt1spGo



    Neither you, Simon, nor the fifty thousand,
    Nor the Romans, nor the Jews,
    Nor Judas, nor the Twelve,
    Nor the priests, nor the scribes,
    Nor doomed Jerusalem itself,
    Understands what power is,
    Understands what glory is,
    Understands at all.
    Understands at all.

    "Quid est-ne veritas?" -- Pontius Pilate.


    "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed." -- Gospel of Matthew

  236. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Good points. I guess his friends are part of the same sect and they reinforce each other. You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.

  237. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust

    This is still pretty much orthodoxy; nostra aetate merely confirmed what’s already in the Gospels, but the “modern” POV is wrong.

    The “curse” (it’s actually God’s disfavor) is presented as a blessing to the gentiles, as it gave them the opportunity to take on God’s favor, but the greatest triumph comes when the Jews accept Christ (you can find this in Romans 11).

    Therefore, eliminating Jews is not OK, because that precludes the fulfillment of Christ’s mission (there are of course other reasons, but this is irrefutable dogma).

    So the idea that traditional Catholicism had anything to do with attempts to wipe out Jews is hogwash. Protection of the Jews has long been a papal job requirement:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill P

    "Kill the Indian, Save the Man." Same thing with Jews.

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect "Jews" but only those "Jews" who had converted to Catholicism and weren't really Jews anymore. "Jews" like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.


    Starting in the sixteenth century, Jews in Rome were forced, every Saturday, to attend a hostile sermon aimed at their conversion. Harshly policed, they were made to march en masse toward the sermon and sit through it, all the while scrutinized by local Christians, foreign visitors, and potential converts.

     

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691211336/catholic-spectacle-and-romes-jews

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren't working.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

  238. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Anti-Semitism does not exist. Never has. You’re making shit up, for your own benefit. Always have.

  239. Anonymous[362] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    You are right, Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US, so the whole “settler colonialist” narrative is BS. Maybe 1/2 the Jews in Israel are Middle Eastern Jews expelled from other parts of the Middle East by Arab governments.
     
    This is a complete crock of shit even Israelis don't believe and say (only from a pencil-necked diaspora Jew sitting safely in his comfy American suburb).

    Middle Eastern Jews were expelled in response to the Zionist settlers expelling Palestinians from their homes. Neither was morally justified and to pretend otherwise is just spewing complete nonsense.

    First, the Israeli expulsions of Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

    A document produced by the Israeli Defence Forces Intelligence Service entitled "The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947 – 1/6/1948" was dated 30 June 1948 and became widely known around 1985.[8]

    The document details 11 factors which caused the exodus, and lists them "in order of importance":

    1. Direct, hostile Jewish [ Haganah/IDF ] operations against Arab settlements.
    2. The effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations against nearby [Arab] settlements... (... especially the fall of large neighbouring centers).
    3. Operation of [Jewish] dissidents [ Irgun Tzvai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]
    4. Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].
    5. Jewish whispering operations [psychological warfare], aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
    6. Ultimate expulsion orders [by Jewish forces]
    7. Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
    8. The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
    9. Fear of Arab invasion and its consequences [mainly near the borders].
    10. Isolated Arab villages in purely [predominantly] Jewish areas.
    11. Various local factors and general fear of the future.[9][10]

    According to Shay Hazkani, "In the past two decades, following the powerful reverberations (concerning the cause of the Nakba) triggered by the publication of books written by those dubbed the "New Historians," the Israeli archives revoked access to much of the explosive material. Archived Israeli documents that reported the expulsion of Palestinians, massacres or rapes perpetrated by Israeli soldiers, along with other events considered embarrassing by the establishment, were reclassified as "top secret."[11]
     
    Then the reaction from the Arab world (in Iran, Jews were not expelled until the revolution in 1979-80): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen, and Libya. In these cases, over 90% of the Jewish population left, despite the necessity of leaving their assets and properties behind.[4] Between 1948 and 1951, 260000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Arab countries.[5] In response, the Israeli government implemented policies to accommodate 600000 immigrants over a period of four years, doubling the country's Jewish population.[6] This move encountered mixed reactions in the Knesset; in addition to some Israeli officials, there were those within the Jewish Agency who opposed promoting a large-scale emigration movement among Jews whose lives were not in immediate danger.[6]

    Later waves peaked at different times in different regions over the subsequent decades. The peak of the exodus from Egypt occurred in 1956, following the Suez Crisis. The emigrations from the other countries of North Africa peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon was the only Arab country that saw an increase in its Jewish population during this period, due to an influx of Jews from other Arab countries, though this was temporary—by the mid-1970s, the Jewish community of Lebanon had also dwindled. 600000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had relocated to Israel by 1972,[7][8][9][10] while another 300000 migrated to France and the United States. Today, the descendants of Jews who immigrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern lands (known as Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews) constitute more than half of the total Israeli population.[11] This is due in part to their higher fertility rate, particularly vis-à-vis the country's Ashkenazi Jews.[12]
     
    And it wasn't all expulsions either:

    The reasons for the exoduses are manifold, including: pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, find a better economic status and a secure home in either Israel or Europe and the Americas, and the Israeli government's implementation of official policy in favour of the "One Million Plan" to focus on accommodating Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries;[17] and push factors, such as antisemitism, persecution, and pogroms, political instability,[18] poverty,[18] and expulsion.
     
    And though these Middle Eastern Jews are now more than half of the population of Israel, it has been dominated by the secular Ashkenazi Jews (from Europe and their progeny) for most of its history. The claim that "Israel is very multi-cultural, even more so than the US" is beyond laughable.

    And I spent time in Israel unlike Jack D (Jack D didn't even know a common secular Israeli cultural practice of eating pork as a treat after Bar Mitzvah in Israel in the past): https://www.unz.com/isteve/beverly-hills-rat/#comment-6375774

    He doesn't know Jack about Israel (pun intended).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous

    And it wasn’t all expulsions either:

    None of the information you posted in the preceding paragraph refers to expulsions. It refers to Jews “leaving” these countries, and doing so over quite a long time period.

    One sentence even states that Jews who left needed to leave their assets behind. Why do you think that was? It was because those countries didn’t want them to leave. There were concerned about the impact on their economies. Jews were one of the wealthiest and most privileged groups in those countries.

  240. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    I can’t figure out Twinkie. I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic). I cited a Reuters news story.

    He says that’s just Christian charitable feeling towards the illegals.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie

    I can’t figure out Twinkie.

    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.

    Some examples:

    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.

    I am willing to cut some slack on your Jack D-like deluded know-it-all-ism here. I spent time in Israel in the early 2000’s (as I worked on counterterrorism at that point in my life). Not only did I travel across Israel, I also went to West Bank (what Israelis call “Judea and Samaria”). So, I don’t need a comparison to a U.S. state to understand the size of Israel.

    By “empire,” what I meant was a polity that holds captive and controls a group of people (esp. non-co-ethnics) who do not consent to be ruled by the said polity, neither giving the captives citizenship nor self-determination (state of their own), all the while displacing them from their homes and replacing them with “settlers” from the polity ethnic group. That’s a colonial empire and it ends up in tears for all concerned in this post-modern world (let alone a post-World War II landscape with wars of national liberation).

    I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic).

    The Church does no such thing. There are – within the clerical hierarchy – those who have taken the teachings of the Church regarding migrants (any migrants) and have interpreted them in ways to ease the sufferings of illegal aliens. I consider this to be wrong, as do many other Catholics. But this is not the doings of the Church as a whole. The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it crystal clear that Catholics are required to obey the laws of their country (provided certain conditions are met) – and that includes immigration laws.

    As a practical matter, American Catholics – who are very numerous and diverse (about 1/5 of the whole country) – are basically split half-and-half between the two parties. Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be “cultural” Catholic or “cradle” Catholic types – self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith.

    There are also generational splits. Among the priests and the bishops, the older ones (esp. of the 1960’s-70’s generational cohorts) tend to be more liberal while the younger ones (including the bishop and priests of my diocese) tend to be much more orthodox to the teachings of the Church and conservative in social outlook.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.

    What Jewish elites do isn’t simply aiding and easing the difficult conditions for the illegal aliens. They influence and even dominate the media, corporations, the political system, etc. to curtail the enforcement of even the existing laws and constantly push to legalize the illegal aliens.

    In any case, my criticism of Jewish elites doesn’t center around their position toward illegal aliens. In the main, it has to do with the lack of noblesse oblige toward ordinary Americans (who are mostly non-Jews), their self-serving machinations, and their destructive attitudes toward the core Americans and what was once a unifying common Christian culture. As commenter AnotherDad succinctly puts it, it’s minoritarianism run amok and it’s very destructive to the United States (and it will be for the Jewish elites as well in the long run).

    You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.

    I see you share Jack D’s version of “logic and facts.”

    Me: Israeli policies are counterproductive and will result in insecurity for the future generation of Israelis.

    Jack D: What about those Koreans? Dog-eating is still legal for 3 more years in South Korea!

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.
     
    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.
     
    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Bill P, @Bill P

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    "Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be “cultural” Catholic or “cradle” Catholic types – self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith."

    Partially true, but actually millions of older Catholics simply have NO FUCKING CLUE what the contemporary Democratic Party actually embraces.
    They watch TV news and read newspapers.
    Margin of victory right there.

  241. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Twinkie wants the Jews to assimilate- in other words convert to Christianity like he did.

    Ugh. I did not “convert to Christianity.” I was raised as an evangelical Protestant and converted to Catholicism. While I’d like everyone to embrace the Good News and the love of Christ, why don’t we just start with being patriotic to our own country first instead of Israel? It would also be helpful if the minority in question didn’t try to undermine the majority’s tradition and culture in the first place, with everything having to turn into a Holocaust morality play.

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    This is just sad now. I am not a sedevacantist and accept all ex cathedra teachings of the Church, including those of post-“Vatican II.” You have some cartoon Nazi version of Catholicism you attribute to me, both because you are ignorant of Catholicism in general, aside from what you gather from the mainstream media and because you are a malicious and deceptive sophist. You clearly don’t know and don’t care to know what my actual religious views are, because you have never bothered to ask. You just conjure up images in your mind and project them onto me.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    I tried my best to edify you, but you don’t care about the truth. The Church has always protected the Jews (you clearly don’t understand that Catholics – and indeed Christians in general – see themselves as spiritual Jews); what it has sought to suppress has been nefarious influences and behaviors of Jews (such as usury, tax farming, attacks on the Church, etc.). The Church – modern or not – is not “pro-gay” or “pro-immigrant” or even “quite liberal.” As befitting a Church with over one billion adherents, there is a wide diversity of views and tendencies, but globally Catholics tend to be a conservative lot. And the relentless attacks and calumny against the Church from the mainstream media (which you regularly parrot) happen because the Church teaching on things such as homosexuality are now countercultural, not because the Church is so liberal or pro-gay.

    In any case, this is just so much ad hominem and distortions, to which you exclusively resort now with me. It’s clear that you can’t argue the merits of the case in the disagreements we have had (which is natural given that you make up assertions and I painstakingly dispel them with evidence), so this is now your entire method of discourse.

  242. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    I can’t figure out Twinkie.
     
    That's because - forgive me, madame - you have poor reading comprehension and don't try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.

    Some examples:

    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.
     
    I am willing to cut some slack on your Jack D-like deluded know-it-all-ism here. I spent time in Israel in the early 2000's (as I worked on counterterrorism at that point in my life). Not only did I travel across Israel, I also went to West Bank (what Israelis call "Judea and Samaria"). So, I don't need a comparison to a U.S. state to understand the size of Israel.

    By "empire," what I meant was a polity that holds captive and controls a group of people (esp. non-co-ethnics) who do not consent to be ruled by the said polity, neither giving the captives citizenship nor self-determination (state of their own), all the while displacing them from their homes and replacing them with "settlers" from the polity ethnic group. That's a colonial empire and it ends up in tears for all concerned in this post-modern world (let alone a post-World War II landscape with wars of national liberation).

    I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic).
     
    The Church does no such thing. There are - within the clerical hierarchy - those who have taken the teachings of the Church regarding migrants (any migrants) and have interpreted them in ways to ease the sufferings of illegal aliens. I consider this to be wrong, as do many other Catholics. But this is not the doings of the Church as a whole. The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it crystal clear that Catholics are required to obey the laws of their country (provided certain conditions are met) - and that includes immigration laws.

    As a practical matter, American Catholics - who are very numerous and diverse (about 1/5 of the whole country) - are basically split half-and-half between the two parties. Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be "cultural" Catholic or "cradle" Catholic types - self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith.

    There are also generational splits. Among the priests and the bishops, the older ones (esp. of the 1960's-70's generational cohorts) tend to be more liberal while the younger ones (including the bishop and priests of my diocese) tend to be much more orthodox to the teachings of the Church and conservative in social outlook.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.
     
    What Jewish elites do isn't simply aiding and easing the difficult conditions for the illegal aliens. They influence and even dominate the media, corporations, the political system, etc. to curtail the enforcement of even the existing laws and constantly push to legalize the illegal aliens.

    In any case, my criticism of Jewish elites doesn't center around their position toward illegal aliens. In the main, it has to do with the lack of noblesse oblige toward ordinary Americans (who are mostly non-Jews), their self-serving machinations, and their destructive attitudes toward the core Americans and what was once a unifying common Christian culture. As commenter AnotherDad succinctly puts it, it's minoritarianism run amok and it's very destructive to the United States (and it will be for the Jewish elites as well in the long run).

    You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.
     
    I see you share Jack D's version of "logic and facts."

    Me: Israeli policies are counterproductive and will result in insecurity for the future generation of Israelis.

    Jack D: What about those Koreans? Dog-eating is still legal for 3 more years in South Korea!

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous

    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.

    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.

    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.
     
    Apparently you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, because I have never ascribed “evil motives” to any group - Jewish or otherwise - assisting migrants to ease their difficult conditions. I consider such charity misguided, not evil.

    My criticism of Jewish elites has nothing to do with the above. You, like Jack D, engage in straw men. It’s a sign of people with poor arguments who, nonetheless, never want to be wrong.

    As for what you refer to as “the Catholic Church” assisting migrants, legal or otherwise, you seem utterly clueless about what is meant by the term. The Church in Catholic doctrine is the body of all believers. It’s not the clerical hierarchy or any organization self-identifying as Catholic-affiliated. It’s not even the Vatican.

    That’s okay, though, because this kind of ignorance is common for people who get their knowledge about the Church from the news.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.
     
    By the way, your description of Catholic Charities USA is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities_USA

    Catholic Charities USA is the national voluntary membership organization for Catholic Charities agencies throughout the United States and its territories.
     

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    , @Bill P
    @Frau Katze


    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.
     
    Pretty much any practicing Catholic will know that the Church welcomes immigrants because bishops are quite vocal about it.

    My own parish priest recently included the issue in a homily. He said there is room for disagreement, but charity is required.

    I would reply that it isn't charitable to facilitate disruptive population transfers. Not for the people in the countries of origin or the people in the destination locales. Better to help them where they live than to move them.

    That being said, at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians, whereas the Jewish organizations tend to support Muslim migration into the US, which is a blatant case of "cut off the nose to spite the face" anti-Christian activism.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-groups-helping-muslim-refugees-accused-of-harboring-new-nazis/

    How's that working out these days?

    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1725635732218245164/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1725635732218245164&currentTweetUser=BGOnTheScene
    , @Bill P
    @Frau Katze


    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.
     
    Pretty much any practicing Catholic will know that the Church welcomes immigrants because bishops are quite vocal about it.

    My own parish priest recently included the issue in a homily. He said there is room for disagreement, but charity is required.

    I would reply that it isn't charitable to facilitate disruptive population transfers. Not for the people in the countries of origin or the people in the destination locales. Better to help them where they live than to move them.

    That being said, at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians, whereas the Jewish organizations tend to support Muslim migration into the US, which is a blatant case of "cut off the nose to spite the face" anti-Christian activism.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-groups-helping-muslim-refugees-accused-of-harboring-new-nazis/

    How's that working out these days?

    Replies: @Jack D

  243. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.
     
    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.
     
    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Bill P, @Bill P

    However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    Apparently you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, because I have never ascribed “evil motives” to any group – Jewish or otherwise – assisting migrants to ease their difficult conditions. I consider such charity misguided, not evil.

    My criticism of Jewish elites has nothing to do with the above. You, like Jack D, engage in straw men. It’s a sign of people with poor arguments who, nonetheless, never want to be wrong.

    As for what you refer to as “the Catholic Church” assisting migrants, legal or otherwise, you seem utterly clueless about what is meant by the term. The Church in Catholic doctrine is the body of all believers. It’s not the clerical hierarchy or any organization self-identifying as Catholic-affiliated. It’s not even the Vatican.

    That’s okay, though, because this kind of ignorance is common for people who get their knowledge about the Church from the news.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    Apparently you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, because I have never ascribed “evil motives” to any group – Jewish or otherwise – assisting migrants to ease their difficult conditions. I consider such charity misguided, not evil.
     
    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.
  244. Anonymous[499] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    I can’t figure out Twinkie.
     
    That's because - forgive me, madame - you have poor reading comprehension and don't try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.

    Some examples:

    An empire? Are you joking?

    Israel is a very small place: about the size of New Jersey.
     
    I am willing to cut some slack on your Jack D-like deluded know-it-all-ism here. I spent time in Israel in the early 2000's (as I worked on counterterrorism at that point in my life). Not only did I travel across Israel, I also went to West Bank (what Israelis call "Judea and Samaria"). So, I don't need a comparison to a U.S. state to understand the size of Israel.

    By "empire," what I meant was a polity that holds captive and controls a group of people (esp. non-co-ethnics) who do not consent to be ruled by the said polity, neither giving the captives citizenship nor self-determination (state of their own), all the while displacing them from their homes and replacing them with "settlers" from the polity ethnic group. That's a colonial empire and it ends up in tears for all concerned in this post-modern world (let alone a post-World War II landscape with wars of national liberation).

    I pointed out to him that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration (he’s Catholic).
     
    The Church does no such thing. There are - within the clerical hierarchy - those who have taken the teachings of the Church regarding migrants (any migrants) and have interpreted them in ways to ease the sufferings of illegal aliens. I consider this to be wrong, as do many other Catholics. But this is not the doings of the Church as a whole. The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes it crystal clear that Catholics are required to obey the laws of their country (provided certain conditions are met) - and that includes immigration laws.

    As a practical matter, American Catholics - who are very numerous and diverse (about 1/5 of the whole country) - are basically split half-and-half between the two parties. Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be "cultural" Catholic or "cradle" Catholic types - self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith.

    There are also generational splits. Among the priests and the bishops, the older ones (esp. of the 1960's-70's generational cohorts) tend to be more liberal while the younger ones (including the bishop and priests of my diocese) tend to be much more orthodox to the teachings of the Church and conservative in social outlook.

    But if a Jew in any way supports the illegals it’s part of a plot to weaken the country so Jews can control it.
     
    What Jewish elites do isn't simply aiding and easing the difficult conditions for the illegal aliens. They influence and even dominate the media, corporations, the political system, etc. to curtail the enforcement of even the existing laws and constantly push to legalize the illegal aliens.

    In any case, my criticism of Jewish elites doesn't center around their position toward illegal aliens. In the main, it has to do with the lack of noblesse oblige toward ordinary Americans (who are mostly non-Jews), their self-serving machinations, and their destructive attitudes toward the core Americans and what was once a unifying common Christian culture. As commenter AnotherDad succinctly puts it, it's minoritarianism run amok and it's very destructive to the United States (and it will be for the Jewish elites as well in the long run).

    You can’t talk people out of conspiracy theories with logic and facts.
     
    I see you share Jack D's version of "logic and facts."

    Me: Israeli policies are counterproductive and will result in insecurity for the future generation of Israelis.

    Jack D: What about those Koreans? Dog-eating is still legal for 3 more years in South Korea!

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Anonymous

    “Those who actually follow the teachings of the Church tend vote Republican while the Democratic Catholics tend to be “cultural” Catholic or “cradle” Catholic types – self-identified as Catholics for family or tradition reasons, rather than active practitioners of the Faith.”

    Partially true, but actually millions of older Catholics simply have NO FUCKING CLUE what the contemporary Democratic Party actually embraces.
    They watch TV news and read newspapers.
    Margin of victory right there.

  245. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.
     
    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.
     
    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    By the way, your description of Catholic Charities USA is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities_USA

    Catholic Charities USA is the national voluntary membership organization for Catholic Charities agencies throughout the United States and its territories.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    Re: Catholic Charities USA

    They may not be part of the Church but the Church does seem to work with them and thus approve of them. From that same Wikipedia entry:


    In 1990, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned CCUSA to respond to disasters in the United States.
     

    Replies: @Twinkie

  246. Agree that A Confederacy of Dunces is a deserved classic. But humour is always subjective.

    The late Terrence Davies directed a film adaptation of Neon Bible – the novella John Kennedy Toole wrote at 16 years old.

    I’ve read the novella but haven’t seen the film. It’s very good for a juvenile effort.

  247. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.
     
    Apparently you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, because I have never ascribed “evil motives” to any group - Jewish or otherwise - assisting migrants to ease their difficult conditions. I consider such charity misguided, not evil.

    My criticism of Jewish elites has nothing to do with the above. You, like Jack D, engage in straw men. It’s a sign of people with poor arguments who, nonetheless, never want to be wrong.

    As for what you refer to as “the Catholic Church” assisting migrants, legal or otherwise, you seem utterly clueless about what is meant by the term. The Church in Catholic doctrine is the body of all believers. It’s not the clerical hierarchy or any organization self-identifying as Catholic-affiliated. It’s not even the Vatican.

    That’s okay, though, because this kind of ignorance is common for people who get their knowledge about the Church from the news.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    Apparently you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, because I have never ascribed “evil motives” to any group – Jewish or otherwise – assisting migrants to ease their difficult conditions. I consider such charity misguided, not evil.

    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.

  248. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.
     
    By the way, your description of Catholic Charities USA is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities_USA

    Catholic Charities USA is the national voluntary membership organization for Catholic Charities agencies throughout the United States and its territories.
     

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    Re: Catholic Charities USA

    They may not be part of the Church but the Church does seem to work with them and thus approve of them. From that same Wikipedia entry:

    In 1990, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned CCUSA to respond to disasters in the United States.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.
     
    Your mental incapacity is no excuse for employing fallacies and half-truths to "win" arguments.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.
     
    Not specifically illegal immigration (alone). My overall point was that Jewish elites favor policies that weaken the Christian majority and indeed Balkanize the country. If you were alien elites that harbored contempt toward and fear of such a majority, would you want the country to be mostly Christian and white or would you want it to be divided into many different religions and ethnicities?

    They may not be part of the Church
     
    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.

    the Church does seem to work with them
     
    So what? Catholic Charities USA works with just about everyone, including the government of the District of Columbia.

    That it's "Catholic-affiliated" does not mean the Church endorses all and everything it does, let alone the majority of Catholics in this country. In any case, you are trying to draw a false equivalence here.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

  249. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    This is the irony – that America killed its Jews with kindness better that ever could with coercion.
     
    First of all, assimilation is not the same thing as being gassed in an oven by a Nazi. That's your and your people's number one problem right there - conflating the two. That's why you'll aways be a people who dwell apart and experience "otherness," because you "other" yourselves. Then you invert the causation and shriek hysterically about "antisemitism" even as you help yourselves to the generosity of the host societies. That, in a nutshell, is the Jewish problem (and for the opposite reason, there isn't "the Korean problem" anywhere even though they are evil dog-eating antisemites).

    America didn't anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth (Henry Kissinger: "any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"). But you are right about the kindness part - the U.S. has been the most philosemitic country on planet earth. Sadly, it's clear that you and yours don't reciprocate.

    With the current intermarriage rate, they will have assimilated themselves out of existence in a few more generations.
     
    Unfortunately no, it seems. Not just the number, but the fraction of people who are identified as Jews seems to be growing in the U.S. even as the general white population is declining in percentage, despite the fact that Jews are more upscale socio-economically, so should have lower fertility (so no "fellow whites" there). Aside from demographic factors, it seems that Jews, even when they intermarry, seem not to assimilate, but transmit to their own part-Jewish progeny minoritarianism and persecution complex.

    Jewish men find shiksas just as irresistible as puppy soup is to Koreans.
     
    You mean Jewish men find puppy-eating Asian (esp. Chinese) shiksas irresistible. What are you saying about the desirability of Jewish women as spouses, you dirty antisemite?

    I appreciate your recognition of Israel as a fait accompli.
     
    Why should you appreciate this? Are you an Israeli? You just never fail to live up to the stereotypes. You are patriotic to the wrong country.

    we need to be future focused and realistic about what can and should be done going forward. Those who think that Israel would ever retreat beyond the Green Line are living in a fantasy world.
     
    You live in a fantasy world where Israel can be an empire and thrive. Wake up, this isn't the 18th or the 19th centuries and you aren't (I hope) married to your niece. Israel's problems in this post-modern world don't have a military solution.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth

    As you may or may not know I am not an American but a Canadian.

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Frau Katze

    "We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2."

    ...And what do all those places have in common now?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze

  250. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth
     
    As you may or may not know I am not an American but a Canadian.

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2.”

    …And what do all those places have in common now?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    …And what do all those places have in common now?
     
    They are rich prosperous countries with democratic governments and lots of personal freedom?

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US
     

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945, Canada accepted fewer Jewish refugees than any other Western nation.
    A senior Canadian immigration official, asked during the war about how many Jews would eventually be considered for entry into Canada, had a now infamous response: "None is too many."

     

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46105488

    Certainly it is wrong, but that the US and Canada and Britain, etc. are being stuffed full of low IQ Hondurans and Somalis and so on is a result of their failure to accept high IQ Jews in the 1933-1945 period. This is what directly lead to the adoption of international treaties on refugees that are being abused now. This is what leads American and Canadian Jews to support the importation of Muslim refugees who hate them. Call it "The Revenge of the St. Louis".

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze, @res

    , @Frau Katze
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Germany, which perpetuated the Holocaust, somehow got the idea to import millions of Turkish Muslims. They’re no better off than us.

  251. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.
     
    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.
     
    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    Pretty much any practicing Catholic will know that the Church welcomes immigrants because bishops are quite vocal about it.

    My own parish priest recently included the issue in a homily. He said there is room for disagreement, but charity is required.

    I would reply that it isn’t charitable to facilitate disruptive population transfers. Not for the people in the countries of origin or the people in the destination locales. Better to help them where they live than to move them.

    That being said, at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians, whereas the Jewish organizations tend to support Muslim migration into the US, which is a blatant case of “cut off the nose to spite the face” anti-Christian activism.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-groups-helping-muslim-refugees-accused-of-harboring-new-nazis/

    How’s that working out these days?

    https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1725635732218245164/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1725635732218245164&currentTweetUser=BGOnTheScene

  252. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That’s because – forgive me, madame – you have poor reading comprehension and don’t try very hard to understand, but instead immediately resort to taking side turns.
     
    There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. However I did skip over the lengthy dog arguments with JackD as I am not interested in the subject.

    I am going to focus on one thing; the Catholic Church and its assistance to illegal immigrants. I cited a news article from Reuters indicating it was definitely happening.

    For something more recent (July 2023):

    But critics say NGOs are part of the problem. In a recent Judiciary Committee hearing, Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.) called for Catholic Charities USA to testify to explain “what they’re doing down on the border to facilitate this illegal immigration.”

    Jewish Family Services, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and United Way Worldwide are also among more than a dozen organizations facing conservatives’ criticism.
     
    https://about.bgov.com/news/good-samaritan-groups-at-border-draw-gop-critics-over-funding/

    Note that Catholic Charities USA is a large organization attached to the US Catholic Church. It is not a handful of individuals doing something on their own. Maybe you weren’t aware of this. You are now.

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    It makes comments too long to put too much one. I will return to other issues tomorrow.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie, @Bill P, @Bill P

    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.

    Pretty much any practicing Catholic will know that the Church welcomes immigrants because bishops are quite vocal about it.

    My own parish priest recently included the issue in a homily. He said there is room for disagreement, but charity is required.

    I would reply that it isn’t charitable to facilitate disruptive population transfers. Not for the people in the countries of origin or the people in the destination locales. Better to help them where they live than to move them.

    That being said, at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians, whereas the Jewish organizations tend to support Muslim migration into the US, which is a blatant case of “cut off the nose to spite the face” anti-Christian activism.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-groups-helping-muslim-refugees-accused-of-harboring-new-nazis/

    How’s that working out these days?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill P


    at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians,
     
    Not true. The "refugee resettlement" racket is a business and all of the "non-profits" compete for this business, Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish. A Somali Muslim "refugee" is a paying customer (well, they are not paying, the US gov is paying) and the Church charities are glad to take his (your) money regardless of religion. In fact, because it is a government contract they cannot discriminate by religion.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/03/24/refugee-settled-catholic-charities-choosing-family-over-fear

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  253. @Bill P
    @Jack D


    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust
     
    This is still pretty much orthodoxy; nostra aetate merely confirmed what's already in the Gospels, but the "modern" POV is wrong.

    The "curse" (it's actually God's disfavor) is presented as a blessing to the gentiles, as it gave them the opportunity to take on God's favor, but the greatest triumph comes when the Jews accept Christ (you can find this in Romans 11).

    Therefore, eliminating Jews is not OK, because that precludes the fulfillment of Christ's mission (there are of course other reasons, but this is irrefutable dogma).

    So the idea that traditional Catholicism had anything to do with attempts to wipe out Jews is hogwash. Protection of the Jews has long been a papal job requirement:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

    Replies: @Jack D

    “Kill the Indian, Save the Man.” Same thing with Jews.

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore. “Jews” like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.

    Starting in the sixteenth century, Jews in Rome were forced, every Saturday, to attend a hostile sermon aimed at their conversion. Harshly policed, they were made to march en masse toward the sermon and sit through it, all the while scrutinized by local Christians, foreign visitors, and potential converts.

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691211336/catholic-spectacle-and-romes-jews

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren’t working.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Jack D


    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore. “Jews” like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.
     
    The Church couldn't very well protect Jews qua Jews in occupied territory as the Nazis had no compunctions about shooting/guillotining priests for opposing their policies (they even executed a Norwegian Lutheran pastor relative of mine for "subversion"). So calling Jews "Christians" was a reasonable workaround for saving lives.

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren’t working
     
    Oh be serious. You know this was a theatrical production along the lines of Buffalo Bill's Wild West shows. Jews were in on it as paid actors, and probably sometimes producers as well. Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.

    The dirty little secret is that Christians actually like having Jews around. Paul, Justin Martyr, Augustine, Aquinas - all Christian heavyweights - have much less to say without the Jews.

    Personally I kind of feel the same way. Without Jews, vexing as they can be at times, society seems like bread without salt. It totally mystifies me why anyone would actually want to get rid of them for real.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    Edith Stein didn’t make it either, nor did her sister who had also converted to Christianity. Both died at Auschwitz.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore.
     
    I already corrected you on this, but, as is your habit, you just disappear and reappear elsewhere and repeat the same assertion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust

    During the Holocaust, the Catholic Church played a role in the rescue of hundreds of thousands of Jews from being murdered by the Nazis. Members of the Church, through lobbying of Axis officials, provision of false documents, and the hiding of people in monasteries, convents, schools, among families and the institutions of the Vatican itself, saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. The Israeli diplomat and historian Pinchas Lapide estimated the figure at between 700,000 and 860,000, although the figure is contested.[1]

    The Catholic Church itself faced persecution in Hitler's Germany, and institutional German Catholic resistance to Nazism centered largely on defending the Church's own rights and institutions. Broader resistance tended to be fragmented and led by individual effort in Germany, but in every country under German occupation, priests played a major part in rescuing Jews. Aiding Jews met with severe penalty and many rescuers and would-be rescuers were killed including St Maximilian Kolbe, Giuseppe Girotti, and Bernhard Lichtenberg who were sent to the concentration camps.

    In the prelude to the Holocaust, Popes Pius XI and Pius XII preached against racism and war in encyclicals such as Mit brennender Sorge (1937) and Summi Pontificatus (1939). Pius XI condemned Kristallnacht and rejected the Nazi claim of racial superiority, saying instead there was only "a single human race". His successor Pius XII employed diplomacy to aid the Jews, and directed his Church to provide discreet aid. While the overall caution of his approach has been criticised by some, his 1942 Christmas radio address denounced the murder of "hundreds of thousands" of innocent people on the basis of "nationality or race" and he intervened to attempt to block Nazi deportations of Jews in various countries.
     
    Your blood libel is especially ungrateful, considering that no other institution saved as many Jews from the Holocaust as the Catholic Church.
  254. @Bill P
    @Frau Katze


    Now I understand the rationale for assisting them: it’s a Christian thing to do. However you ascribe evil motives to the Jewish groups doing the exact same thing.
     
    Pretty much any practicing Catholic will know that the Church welcomes immigrants because bishops are quite vocal about it.

    My own parish priest recently included the issue in a homily. He said there is room for disagreement, but charity is required.

    I would reply that it isn't charitable to facilitate disruptive population transfers. Not for the people in the countries of origin or the people in the destination locales. Better to help them where they live than to move them.

    That being said, at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians, whereas the Jewish organizations tend to support Muslim migration into the US, which is a blatant case of "cut off the nose to spite the face" anti-Christian activism.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jewish-groups-helping-muslim-refugees-accused-of-harboring-new-nazis/

    How's that working out these days?

    Replies: @Jack D

    at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians,

    Not true. The “refugee resettlement” racket is a business and all of the “non-profits” compete for this business, Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish. A Somali Muslim “refugee” is a paying customer (well, they are not paying, the US gov is paying) and the Church charities are glad to take his (your) money regardless of religion. In fact, because it is a government contract they cannot discriminate by religion.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/03/24/refugee-settled-catholic-charities-choosing-family-over-fear

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    The “refugee resettlement” racket is a business and all of the “non-profits” compete for this business, Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish. A Somali Muslim “refugee” is a paying customer (well, they are not paying, the US gov is paying) and the Church charities are glad to take his (your) money regardless of religion.
     
    The story at the link describes a Somali Muslim with nine children! Somehow she’s living in a 2-story house.

    Gele has found an advocate in Catholic Charities of St. Paul and Minneapolis as she adjusts to a new country.
     
  255. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Frau Katze

    "We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2."

    ...And what do all those places have in common now?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze

    …And what do all those places have in common now?

    They are rich prosperous countries with democratic governments and lots of personal freedom?

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945, Canada accepted fewer Jewish refugees than any other Western nation.
    A senior Canadian immigration official, asked during the war about how many Jews would eventually be considered for entry into Canada, had a now infamous response: “None is too many.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46105488

    Certainly it is wrong, but that the US and Canada and Britain, etc. are being stuffed full of low IQ Hondurans and Somalis and so on is a result of their failure to accept high IQ Jews in the 1933-1945 period. This is what directly lead to the adoption of international treaties on refugees that are being abused now. This is what leads American and Canadian Jews to support the importation of Muslim refugees who hate them. Call it “The Revenge of the St. Louis”.

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    Yes it’s true that Canada would not accept Jews trying to flee the Nazis.

    That wasn’t the point I was making to Twinkie but it’s still true. The UK accepted a small number of children. That they were mostly Jewish was not publicized lest the public turn against it.

    Twinkie doesn’t want to admit how antisemitic Christianity was for centuries.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.
     
    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.

    I don’t think anyone will be argue that bringing in African slaves was a good idea.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @res
    @Jack D


    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945,
     

     
    I think lumping those years all together is misleading (and "not willing" without qualifications is simply a lie for the US). There were very different things going on at various points in that period.

    This page seems decent, but a bit short on how the waiting list worked.
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/how-many-refugees-came-to-the-united-states-from-1933-1945

    Note that it was only in 1939 and 1940 that the quota was actually filled (i.e. for the other years other reasons were important).

    The best clue I see is this from 1933. Emphasis mine.

    In 1933, the State Department issued visas to only 1,241 Germans. Although 82,787 people were on the German waiting list for a US visa, most did not have enough money to qualify for immigration.
     
    This page has a nice overview of the visa process. It looks like a big sticking point was the combination of Nazi Germany not allowing Jews to take assets with them combined with the requirement for an American financial sponsor (what a different time!).
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/what-did-refugees-need-to-obtain-a-us-visa-in-the-1930s

    Then in 1941 this.

    With Europe at war, the State Department implemented new restrictions designed both to protect the nation’s security and further limit immigration. In July 1941, Nazi Germany ordered US consulates in Nazi-occupied territory to close, trapping potential immigrants. Only German refugees who had already escaped Nazi territory could obtain US immigration visas.

    Immigration became almost impossible, and the State Department canceled the waiting list.
     
    Then we can look at how many Jews went to the US compared to other countries.
    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/impossibilities-escaping-1933-1942/

    https://www.annefrank.org/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/49/a1/49a1fe23-b204-4105-8678-b5db52c560ff/kaart_joodse_vluchtelingen_-_engels.jpg__1536x1536_q85_ALIAS-limit_large_subsampling-2.jpg

    Seems like the US did fairly well by the Jews in this period. Especially given it was recovering from the Great Depression at the time. Canada, not so much.

    Could the US have done better in hindsight? Perhaps. But the degree to which this issue is used as a stick to beat the US with seems to be a great example of ingratitude for what WAS done. Perhaps we could revisit how the Nazis were stopped in the end as well?

    Replies: @Twinkie

  256. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    …And what do all those places have in common now?
     
    They are rich prosperous countries with democratic governments and lots of personal freedom?

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US
     

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945, Canada accepted fewer Jewish refugees than any other Western nation.
    A senior Canadian immigration official, asked during the war about how many Jews would eventually be considered for entry into Canada, had a now infamous response: "None is too many."

     

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46105488

    Certainly it is wrong, but that the US and Canada and Britain, etc. are being stuffed full of low IQ Hondurans and Somalis and so on is a result of their failure to accept high IQ Jews in the 1933-1945 period. This is what directly lead to the adoption of international treaties on refugees that are being abused now. This is what leads American and Canadian Jews to support the importation of Muslim refugees who hate them. Call it "The Revenge of the St. Louis".

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze, @res

    Yes it’s true that Canada would not accept Jews trying to flee the Nazis.

    That wasn’t the point I was making to Twinkie but it’s still true. The UK accepted a small number of children. That they were mostly Jewish was not publicized lest the public turn against it.

    Twinkie doesn’t want to admit how antisemitic Christianity was for centuries.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Twinkie doesn’t want to admit how antisemitic Christianity was for centuries.
     
    You really do have a reading comprehension problem, don't you? What do you think I meant by what I wrote earlier thusly?

    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth
     
    But why were they persecuted, just about everywhere they went?

    Historically, the overall pattern with the Jews had been rather repetitive. Rulers and elites would invite them in to "run the numbers" for them (engage in financial manipulation, tax farming, usury, and vice such as liquor and later narcotics, prostitution, and pornography). They would become wealthy, powerful, and numerous and, eventually, the oppressed peasantry would revolt and drive the Jews out (or the elites would run out of money and drive the Jews out themselves and take the accumulated wealth). Again, why do you think Henry Kissinger wrote of his own ethnic kin: "… any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong"?

    My original point about America was that the U.S. has been the only country historically that took in so many Jews and not only did not "anathematize" the Jews, but rather has benefitted them greatly and continues to benefit them enormously. Yet, this has been repaid by many Jews with actions that undermine the country as well as constant whining about antisemitism (example number one here being Jack D).

    That all said, the commenters here (who have the requisite reading comprehension) know that I harbor no ill-will toward Jews as individuals. I have Jewish friends (most are former military). But my Jewish friends aren't ethnic chauvinists who harbor contempt for the majority (they would never refer to their Christian neighbors as living in "trailers" as Jack D does). They are - simply put - patriotic and acknowledge how great America has been for them and, moreover, they are critical of their own fellow Jews where deserving.

    It's the same with blacks. Although, like many other commenters here, I am critical of the widespread black dysfunction and criminality, I recognize that most blacks aren't criminals and are deserving of dignity as human beings and fellow citizens. I have known courageous black heroes. I am a fan of Professor Glenn Loury (economist at Brown) - who I think is a Mensch - who condemns black pathology vehemently every chance he gets.

    The only people who equate any and all criticism of Jews as "antisemitism" and play transparently fallacious word games (strawmen, false equivalence, whatabouttism, etc.) about the subject are verbalist overclass types like Jack D and their "useful idiots" like you.
  257. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    …And what do all those places have in common now?
     
    They are rich prosperous countries with democratic governments and lots of personal freedom?

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US
     

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945, Canada accepted fewer Jewish refugees than any other Western nation.
    A senior Canadian immigration official, asked during the war about how many Jews would eventually be considered for entry into Canada, had a now infamous response: "None is too many."

     

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46105488

    Certainly it is wrong, but that the US and Canada and Britain, etc. are being stuffed full of low IQ Hondurans and Somalis and so on is a result of their failure to accept high IQ Jews in the 1933-1945 period. This is what directly lead to the adoption of international treaties on refugees that are being abused now. This is what leads American and Canadian Jews to support the importation of Muslim refugees who hate them. Call it "The Revenge of the St. Louis".

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze, @res

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.

    I don’t think anyone will be argue that bringing in African slaves was a good idea.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.
     
    You should take to the heart the old saying, "Wise men speak, because they have something to say. Fools speak, because they have to say something." Try not to speak for someone else.

    I am on record as stating that one of the tragedies of the Holocaust was that the German Jews were well in the process of being assimilated in Germany when it was launched by the Nazis. The Nazis themselves recognized this, because German Jews were often able to escape the Holocaust through various means (falsifying ancestry, special indulgence from the Nazi leaders*, records of prior military service, religious conversion, etc.) with a wink and a nod from the German authorities. That is why comparatively few German Jews perished in the Holocaust and the largest fraction of those who were killed hailed from Poland and Russia, the despised and less assimilated Ostjuden.

    *The prime example being Emil Maurice, Hitler's personal driver and SS member no. 2 (no. 1 being Hitler), who even dared to cuckhold Hitler with his half-niece (whom Hitler described as the only woman he ever loved) and yet live to tell the tale (Hitler protected him till the end of his days as one of his Alte Kamaraden). Maurice, incidentally, escaped de-Nazification rather easily as well after the war.

    Replies: @Jack D

  258. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Frau Katze

    "We have not treated Jews any worse than the US. They have been safe in the UK, Australia and New Zealand too. They were safe in the UK even during WW2."

    ...And what do all those places have in common now?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Frau Katze

    Germany, which perpetuated the Holocaust, somehow got the idea to import millions of Turkish Muslims. They’re no better off than us.

  259. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    …And what do all those places have in common now?
     
    They are rich prosperous countries with democratic governments and lots of personal freedom?

    We have not treated Jews any worse than the US
     

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945, Canada accepted fewer Jewish refugees than any other Western nation.
    A senior Canadian immigration official, asked during the war about how many Jews would eventually be considered for entry into Canada, had a now infamous response: "None is too many."

     

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46105488

    Certainly it is wrong, but that the US and Canada and Britain, etc. are being stuffed full of low IQ Hondurans and Somalis and so on is a result of their failure to accept high IQ Jews in the 1933-1945 period. This is what directly lead to the adoption of international treaties on refugees that are being abused now. This is what leads American and Canadian Jews to support the importation of Muslim refugees who hate them. Call it "The Revenge of the St. Louis".

    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze, @res

    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945,

    I think lumping those years all together is misleading (and “not willing” without qualifications is simply a lie for the US). There were very different things going on at various points in that period.

    This page seems decent, but a bit short on how the waiting list worked.
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/how-many-refugees-came-to-the-united-states-from-1933-1945

    Note that it was only in 1939 and 1940 that the quota was actually filled (i.e. for the other years other reasons were important).

    The best clue I see is this from 1933. Emphasis mine.

    In 1933, the State Department issued visas to only 1,241 Germans. Although 82,787 people were on the German waiting list for a US visa, most did not have enough money to qualify for immigration.

    This page has a nice overview of the visa process. It looks like a big sticking point was the combination of Nazi Germany not allowing Jews to take assets with them combined with the requirement for an American financial sponsor (what a different time!).
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/what-did-refugees-need-to-obtain-a-us-visa-in-the-1930s

    Then in 1941 this.

    With Europe at war, the State Department implemented new restrictions designed both to protect the nation’s security and further limit immigration. In July 1941, Nazi Germany ordered US consulates in Nazi-occupied territory to close, trapping potential immigrants. Only German refugees who had already escaped Nazi territory could obtain US immigration visas.

    Immigration became almost impossible, and the State Department canceled the waiting list.

    Then we can look at how many Jews went to the US compared to other countries.
    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/impossibilities-escaping-1933-1942/

    Seems like the US did fairly well by the Jews in this period. Especially given it was recovering from the Great Depression at the time. Canada, not so much.

    Could the US have done better in hindsight? Perhaps. But the degree to which this issue is used as a stick to beat the US with seems to be a great example of ingratitude for what WAS done. Perhaps we could revisit how the Nazis were stopped in the end as well?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @res


    Seems like the US did fairly well by the Jews in this period. Especially given it was recovering from the Great Depression at the time. Canada, not so much.
     
    For Jack D, Jews matter the most, and how much ever a society does for the Jews, it's never enough and it always should have been more (and therefore is... "antisemitism!").

    One wonders why he doesn't make Aliyah with his entire extended clan and get away from all this antisemitism.
  260. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    "Kill the Indian, Save the Man." Same thing with Jews.

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect "Jews" but only those "Jews" who had converted to Catholicism and weren't really Jews anymore. "Jews" like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.


    Starting in the sixteenth century, Jews in Rome were forced, every Saturday, to attend a hostile sermon aimed at their conversion. Harshly policed, they were made to march en masse toward the sermon and sit through it, all the while scrutinized by local Christians, foreign visitors, and potential converts.

     

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691211336/catholic-spectacle-and-romes-jews

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren't working.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore. “Jews” like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.

    The Church couldn’t very well protect Jews qua Jews in occupied territory as the Nazis had no compunctions about shooting/guillotining priests for opposing their policies (they even executed a Norwegian Lutheran pastor relative of mine for “subversion”). So calling Jews “Christians” was a reasonable workaround for saving lives.

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren’t working

    Oh be serious. You know this was a theatrical production along the lines of Buffalo Bill’s Wild West shows. Jews were in on it as paid actors, and probably sometimes producers as well. Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.

    The dirty little secret is that Christians actually like having Jews around. Paul, Justin Martyr, Augustine, Aquinas – all Christian heavyweights – have much less to say without the Jews.

    Personally I kind of feel the same way. Without Jews, vexing as they can be at times, society seems like bread without salt. It totally mystifies me why anyone would actually want to get rid of them for real.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill P


    Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.
     
    Feel free to invent your own imaginary history. Here is the real history:

    Established by Pope Paul IV in 1555, the Jewish Ghetto was the only place in Rome where local Jewish inhabitants were permitted to live. As such, the city’s entire Jewish community was confined to this small area, living in abject poverty and stripped of most of their rights by Pope Paul’s papal bull.

    At the time, Roman Jews could not own real estate and were only permitted to work in unskilled trades. They also had to wear yellow markings whenever they ventured outside the district. The area frequently flooded, and illness and disease plagued the population.

    The ghetto walls isolated the quarter from the rest of Rome,
     

    https://www.cityexperiences.com/blog/jewish-ghetto-rome-history/

    OTOH, somewhat hilariously, the vendors selling souvenirs to Catholic pilgrims outside the Vatican are mostly Jewish and have been since the 19th century:

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/jewish-souvenir-vendors-wear-yellow-stars-of-david-in-rome-protest-436316

    Replies: @Bill P

  261. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    Re: Catholic Charities USA

    They may not be part of the Church but the Church does seem to work with them and thus approve of them. From that same Wikipedia entry:


    In 1990, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops commissioned CCUSA to respond to disasters in the United States.
     

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.

    Your mental incapacity is no excuse for employing fallacies and half-truths to “win” arguments.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.

    Not specifically illegal immigration (alone). My overall point was that Jewish elites favor policies that weaken the Christian majority and indeed Balkanize the country. If you were alien elites that harbored contempt toward and fear of such a majority, would you want the country to be mostly Christian and white or would you want it to be divided into many different religions and ethnicities?

    They may not be part of the Church

    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.

    the Church does seem to work with them

    So what? Catholic Charities USA works with just about everyone, including the government of the District of Columbia.

    That it’s “Catholic-affiliated” does not mean the Church endorses all and everything it does, let alone the majority of Catholics in this country. In any case, you are trying to draw a false equivalence here.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.
     
    OK I’ll rephrase it. Catholic Charities USA has been contracted to work on behalf of the church and thus the church approves of what they do and trusts it to do it in accordance with their beliefs.

    You can’t get much closer than that.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.

    Perhaps the Church should try to reign in these people if they don’t agree with what they’re doing. They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.

    The Church also permitted a group of Catholics to help certain notorious Nazis escape to South America after WW2. No attempt to stop this group.

    A strange way to act if they strongly disapproved of these actions.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  262. @res
    @Jack D


    This is true in the sense that neither country was willing to accept Jewish refugees seeking to flee Hitler:

    During the 12-year Nazi regime in Germany, from 1933 to 1945,
     

     
    I think lumping those years all together is misleading (and "not willing" without qualifications is simply a lie for the US). There were very different things going on at various points in that period.

    This page seems decent, but a bit short on how the waiting list worked.
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/how-many-refugees-came-to-the-united-states-from-1933-1945

    Note that it was only in 1939 and 1940 that the quota was actually filled (i.e. for the other years other reasons were important).

    The best clue I see is this from 1933. Emphasis mine.

    In 1933, the State Department issued visas to only 1,241 Germans. Although 82,787 people were on the German waiting list for a US visa, most did not have enough money to qualify for immigration.
     
    This page has a nice overview of the visa process. It looks like a big sticking point was the combination of Nazi Germany not allowing Jews to take assets with them combined with the requirement for an American financial sponsor (what a different time!).
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/what-did-refugees-need-to-obtain-a-us-visa-in-the-1930s

    Then in 1941 this.

    With Europe at war, the State Department implemented new restrictions designed both to protect the nation’s security and further limit immigration. In July 1941, Nazi Germany ordered US consulates in Nazi-occupied territory to close, trapping potential immigrants. Only German refugees who had already escaped Nazi territory could obtain US immigration visas.

    Immigration became almost impossible, and the State Department canceled the waiting list.
     
    Then we can look at how many Jews went to the US compared to other countries.
    https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/impossibilities-escaping-1933-1942/

    https://www.annefrank.org/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/49/a1/49a1fe23-b204-4105-8678-b5db52c560ff/kaart_joodse_vluchtelingen_-_engels.jpg__1536x1536_q85_ALIAS-limit_large_subsampling-2.jpg

    Seems like the US did fairly well by the Jews in this period. Especially given it was recovering from the Great Depression at the time. Canada, not so much.

    Could the US have done better in hindsight? Perhaps. But the degree to which this issue is used as a stick to beat the US with seems to be a great example of ingratitude for what WAS done. Perhaps we could revisit how the Nazis were stopped in the end as well?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Seems like the US did fairly well by the Jews in this period. Especially given it was recovering from the Great Depression at the time. Canada, not so much.

    For Jack D, Jews matter the most, and how much ever a society does for the Jews, it’s never enough and it always should have been more (and therefore is… “antisemitism!”).

    One wonders why he doesn’t make Aliyah with his entire extended clan and get away from all this antisemitism.

  263. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    Yes it’s true that Canada would not accept Jews trying to flee the Nazis.

    That wasn’t the point I was making to Twinkie but it’s still true. The UK accepted a small number of children. That they were mostly Jewish was not publicized lest the public turn against it.

    Twinkie doesn’t want to admit how antisemitic Christianity was for centuries.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Twinkie doesn’t want to admit how antisemitic Christianity was for centuries.

    You really do have a reading comprehension problem, don’t you? What do you think I meant by what I wrote earlier thusly?

    America didn’t anathematize, let alone kill, its Jews like every other place on this earth

    But why were they persecuted, just about everywhere they went?

    Historically, the overall pattern with the Jews had been rather repetitive. Rulers and elites would invite them in to “run the numbers” for them (engage in financial manipulation, tax farming, usury, and vice such as liquor and later narcotics, prostitution, and pornography). They would become wealthy, powerful, and numerous and, eventually, the oppressed peasantry would revolt and drive the Jews out (or the elites would run out of money and drive the Jews out themselves and take the accumulated wealth). Again, why do you think Henry Kissinger wrote of his own ethnic kin: “… any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong”?

    My original point about America was that the U.S. has been the only country historically that took in so many Jews and not only did not “anathematize” the Jews, but rather has benefitted them greatly and continues to benefit them enormously. Yet, this has been repaid by many Jews with actions that undermine the country as well as constant whining about antisemitism (example number one here being Jack D).

    That all said, the commenters here (who have the requisite reading comprehension) know that I harbor no ill-will toward Jews as individuals. I have Jewish friends (most are former military). But my Jewish friends aren’t ethnic chauvinists who harbor contempt for the majority (they would never refer to their Christian neighbors as living in “trailers” as Jack D does). They are – simply put – patriotic and acknowledge how great America has been for them and, moreover, they are critical of their own fellow Jews where deserving.

    It’s the same with blacks. Although, like many other commenters here, I am critical of the widespread black dysfunction and criminality, I recognize that most blacks aren’t criminals and are deserving of dignity as human beings and fellow citizens. I have known courageous black heroes. I am a fan of Professor Glenn Loury (economist at Brown) – who I think is a Mensch – who condemns black pathology vehemently every chance he gets.

    The only people who equate any and all criticism of Jews as “antisemitism” and play transparently fallacious word games (strawmen, false equivalence, whatabouttism, etc.) about the subject are verbalist overclass types like Jack D and their “useful idiots” like you.

  264. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    "Kill the Indian, Save the Man." Same thing with Jews.

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect "Jews" but only those "Jews" who had converted to Catholicism and weren't really Jews anymore. "Jews" like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.


    Starting in the sixteenth century, Jews in Rome were forced, every Saturday, to attend a hostile sermon aimed at their conversion. Harshly policed, they were made to march en masse toward the sermon and sit through it, all the while scrutinized by local Christians, foreign visitors, and potential converts.

     

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691211336/catholic-spectacle-and-romes-jews

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren't working.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

    Edith Stein didn’t make it either, nor did her sister who had also converted to Christianity. Both died at Auschwitz.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein

  265. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.
     
    Your mental incapacity is no excuse for employing fallacies and half-truths to "win" arguments.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.
     
    Not specifically illegal immigration (alone). My overall point was that Jewish elites favor policies that weaken the Christian majority and indeed Balkanize the country. If you were alien elites that harbored contempt toward and fear of such a majority, would you want the country to be mostly Christian and white or would you want it to be divided into many different religions and ethnicities?

    They may not be part of the Church
     
    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.

    the Church does seem to work with them
     
    So what? Catholic Charities USA works with just about everyone, including the government of the District of Columbia.

    That it's "Catholic-affiliated" does not mean the Church endorses all and everything it does, let alone the majority of Catholics in this country. In any case, you are trying to draw a false equivalence here.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.

    OK I’ll rephrase it. Catholic Charities USA has been contracted to work on behalf of the church and thus the church approves of what they do and trusts it to do it in accordance with their beliefs.

    You can’t get much closer than that.

  266. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    "Kill the Indian, Save the Man." Same thing with Jews.

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect "Jews" but only those "Jews" who had converted to Catholicism and weren't really Jews anymore. "Jews" like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.


    Starting in the sixteenth century, Jews in Rome were forced, every Saturday, to attend a hostile sermon aimed at their conversion. Harshly policed, they were made to march en masse toward the sermon and sit through it, all the while scrutinized by local Christians, foreign visitors, and potential converts.

     

    https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691211336/catholic-spectacle-and-romes-jews

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren't working.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Frau Katze, @Twinkie

    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore.

    I already corrected you on this, but, as is your habit, you just disappear and reappear elsewhere and repeat the same assertion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust

    During the Holocaust, the Catholic Church played a role in the rescue of hundreds of thousands of Jews from being murdered by the Nazis. Members of the Church, through lobbying of Axis officials, provision of false documents, and the hiding of people in monasteries, convents, schools, among families and the institutions of the Vatican itself, saved hundreds of thousands of Jews. The Israeli diplomat and historian Pinchas Lapide estimated the figure at between 700,000 and 860,000, although the figure is contested.[1]

    The Catholic Church itself faced persecution in Hitler’s Germany, and institutional German Catholic resistance to Nazism centered largely on defending the Church’s own rights and institutions. Broader resistance tended to be fragmented and led by individual effort in Germany, but in every country under German occupation, priests played a major part in rescuing Jews. Aiding Jews met with severe penalty and many rescuers and would-be rescuers were killed including St Maximilian Kolbe, Giuseppe Girotti, and Bernhard Lichtenberg who were sent to the concentration camps.

    In the prelude to the Holocaust, Popes Pius XI and Pius XII preached against racism and war in encyclicals such as Mit brennender Sorge (1937) and Summi Pontificatus (1939). Pius XI condemned Kristallnacht and rejected the Nazi claim of racial superiority, saying instead there was only “a single human race”. His successor Pius XII employed diplomacy to aid the Jews, and directed his Church to provide discreet aid. While the overall caution of his approach has been criticised by some, his 1942 Christmas radio address denounced the murder of “hundreds of thousands” of innocent people on the basis of “nationality or race” and he intervened to attempt to block Nazi deportations of Jews in various countries.

    Your blood libel is especially ungrateful, considering that no other institution saved as many Jews from the Holocaust as the Catholic Church.

  267. @Twinkie
    @Corvinus


    Not all Indians (dot) are unassimilable and not all unassimilables are Indians, so blame unassimilables, not Indians. But that doesn’t stop you from banging on about Indians as a group, does it?
     
    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one - for your edification.

    My point was not that Jack D shouldn't criticize blacks for their widespread social pathology. Rather, it was a critique of his hypocrisy (criticizing blacks = totally fine, criticizing Jews = dirty Nazism!). The point is, all should be critiqued and none should be immune from criticism. Jack D can and should criticize blacks for their issues. As well, others can and should do the same for Jews and, yes, Indians without the fear of being labeled as a racist.

    But, as you well know, with Jack D, Jews can never do any wrong - it's always some dirty Nazi goy's fault.

    Lest you play the childish game of "You do the same for Asians," let's wind the tape and see what I wrote about Asians in 2014, nearly a decade ago: https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-not-just-ask-them/#comment-666152


    Young Asian immigrants and Americans of Asian descent today are increasingly not of this mold. They have no idea about anti-communism. Except for a dedicated core of evangelical Protestants, they are largely atheistic. They do not revere the Anglo-American civic and political traditions and heritage as I do. They don’t have the same sense of gratitude I feel toward this country. They have been indoctrinated by SWPL apologist nonsense for decades now. For that matter, demographically, they are increasingly more South Asian/Indian (pagan or Muslim) or Chinese (atheist/Chinese nationalist) and less dissident Chinese, Japanese, Korean or Taiwanese, meaning they are less likely to respect and assimilate into the traditional Anglo-American culture.

    Frankly, I am not optimistic that increased Asian immigration would benefit this country, even if Asians commit fewer crimes than whites and are academically more successful.
     

    As for this:

    Nativists then and now don’t want your kind around.
     
    Yeah, all five of them. There are probably more people who believe the earth is flat than there are those who consider East Asians Untermenschen.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Corvinus, @Frau Katze

    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one – for your edification.

    Your rudeness and arrogance is off the charts.

    • Disagree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Your rudeness and arrogance is off the charts.
     
    I don't suffer fools gladly.

    Argue earnestly and with good will, you'll get my respect*, if not agreement always. Engage in straw men, false equivalence, "Look, squirrel over there!" and other (rather transparently) deceptive efforts to "win the internet," I will - rhetorically - smack you down.

    *People who are able to admit that they were wrong about something, in particular, will earn my admiration as being intellectually honest and trustworthy. Keep trying to be "always right no matter what" to the bitter end, all evidence to the contrary**, or worse, disappear and then reappear to repeat the same assertions, will earn a particular ire from me.

    I hope we understand each other clearly.

    **Example of you doing this: https://www.unz.com/isteve/harvards-ignatius-j-reilly-speaks-out-on-diversity-is-our-strenght/#comment-6383033

  268. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D


    If the West could do time travel, think what a better world this would be without those policies and without the importation of African slaves to the New World. These two mistakes are going to end Western Civilization and they were both own goals.
     
    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.

    I don’t think anyone will be argue that bringing in African slaves was a good idea.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.

    You should take to the heart the old saying, “Wise men speak, because they have something to say. Fools speak, because they have to say something.” Try not to speak for someone else.

    I am on record as stating that one of the tragedies of the Holocaust was that the German Jews were well in the process of being assimilated in Germany when it was launched by the Nazis. The Nazis themselves recognized this, because German Jews were often able to escape the Holocaust through various means (falsifying ancestry, special indulgence from the Nazi leaders*, records of prior military service, religious conversion, etc.) with a wink and a nod from the German authorities. That is why comparatively few German Jews perished in the Holocaust and the largest fraction of those who were killed hailed from Poland and Russia, the despised and less assimilated Ostjuden.

    *The prime example being Emil Maurice, Hitler’s personal driver and SS member no. 2 (no. 1 being Hitler), who even dared to cuckhold Hitler with his half-niece (whom Hitler described as the only woman he ever loved) and yet live to tell the tale (Hitler protected him till the end of his days as one of his Alte Kamaraden). Maurice, incidentally, escaped de-Nazification rather easily as well after the war.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Maurice was 1/8th Jewish (1 Jewish great grandfather) which normally was "good enough" for the Nuremberg Laws, which only went as far back as grandparents. However, people in the SS were supposed to be extra pure and show pure Aryan ancestry back to 1750.

    After the war, Maurice was tried and sentenced to four years in a labor camp but got out in 3, so I guess that was rather easy. The guy who ran my father's camp got 20 years after the war but they let him out after 10. During the 1950s, Nazi stuff was considered a sort of a dead letter that we should move on from and worry about the live competition with the Soviets instead.

    As for the difference in deaths between the Jews of Germany and that of Poland and points east, that had less to do with assimilation than with circumstances. Hitler's original goal was to get the Jews out of the Reich (which at first consisted only of Germany) and not to kill them all. He did this by trying to make their lives miserable and disqualifying them from an ever increasing list of occupations.

    Nevertheless many German Jews hung on, partly because they couldn't find a place to go and partly because their lives were centered in Germany (some of them didn't even consider themselves Jewish anymore) and they kept hoping that this Nazi thing would blow over. Nor did they understand that their very lives were in danger because they weren't at that time - pre-1938 the Nazis were oppressive but not murderous toward the Jews.

    Finally in late 1938, the Nazis upped the ante with Kristallnacht. Thousands of Jewish men were arrested and were told that the only way to get out of Dachau was for them and their families to leave the country immediately and this succeeded in getting a lot more German Jews out.

    So, over a 6 year stretch from 1933 to 1939 and despite the reluctance of most places to take the Jews, most of the German Jews were forced out whether they liked it or not. By the time the Final Solution arrived, they were mostly elsewhere (although many like the Frank family only got as far as nearby European countries such as the Netherlands and France so they would meet the Nazis again).

    However, prior to the outbreak of the war, mass extermination was not on the table. Even during Kristallnacht, a whopping total of 91 Jews were killed. When the war broke out and the Germans occupied Poland and decided on the Final Solution, the Jews of Poland were completely trapped. Immigration was just not possible and so they were left to their fate.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  269. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie


    Corvinus, you know you have low intelligence, so nothing you write is ever worth responding to, but I am going to make an exception for this one – for your edification.
     
    Your rudeness and arrogance is off the charts.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Your rudeness and arrogance is off the charts.

    I don’t suffer fools gladly.

    Argue earnestly and with good will, you’ll get my respect*, if not agreement always. Engage in straw men, false equivalence, “Look, squirrel over there!” and other (rather transparently) deceptive efforts to “win the internet,” I will – rhetorically – smack you down.

    *People who are able to admit that they were wrong about something, in particular, will earn my admiration as being intellectually honest and trustworthy. Keep trying to be “always right no matter what” to the bitter end, all evidence to the contrary**, or worse, disappear and then reappear to repeat the same assertions, will earn a particular ire from me.

    I hope we understand each other clearly.

    **Example of you doing this: https://www.unz.com/isteve/harvards-ignatius-j-reilly-speaks-out-on-diversity-is-our-strenght/#comment-6383033

  270. @Bill P
    @Jack D


    During the Holocaust, the Church took measures to protect “Jews” but only those “Jews” who had converted to Catholicism and weren’t really Jews anymore. “Jews” like Edith Stein, aka Sister Teresia Benedicta, Carmelite nun.
     
    The Church couldn't very well protect Jews qua Jews in occupied territory as the Nazis had no compunctions about shooting/guillotining priests for opposing their policies (they even executed a Norwegian Lutheran pastor relative of mine for "subversion"). So calling Jews "Christians" was a reasonable workaround for saving lives.

    You would think that after 400 years the Church would have noticed that the sermons weren’t working
     
    Oh be serious. You know this was a theatrical production along the lines of Buffalo Bill's Wild West shows. Jews were in on it as paid actors, and probably sometimes producers as well. Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.

    The dirty little secret is that Christians actually like having Jews around. Paul, Justin Martyr, Augustine, Aquinas - all Christian heavyweights - have much less to say without the Jews.

    Personally I kind of feel the same way. Without Jews, vexing as they can be at times, society seems like bread without salt. It totally mystifies me why anyone would actually want to get rid of them for real.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.

    Feel free to invent your own imaginary history. Here is the real history:

    Established by Pope Paul IV in 1555, the Jewish Ghetto was the only place in Rome where local Jewish inhabitants were permitted to live. As such, the city’s entire Jewish community was confined to this small area, living in abject poverty and stripped of most of their rights by Pope Paul’s papal bull.

    At the time, Roman Jews could not own real estate and were only permitted to work in unskilled trades. They also had to wear yellow markings whenever they ventured outside the district. The area frequently flooded, and illness and disease plagued the population.

    The ghetto walls isolated the quarter from the rest of Rome,

    https://www.cityexperiences.com/blog/jewish-ghetto-rome-history/

    OTOH, somewhat hilariously, the vendors selling souvenirs to Catholic pilgrims outside the Vatican are mostly Jewish and have been since the 19th century:

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/jewish-souvenir-vendors-wear-yellow-stars-of-david-in-rome-protest-436316

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Jack D

    That was an emergency measure due to all the wars breaking out during the Reformation.

    As compensation for being sequestered in the Jewish quarter, Jews were given licenses to conduct business in public throughout Rome -- they literally had the run of the place.

    This is how Roman Jews got into the souvenir business in the first place.

    Apparently, despite the abolition of the ghetto, Jews nevertheless remained in the neighborhood, making them easy targets for Nazis occupying Rome in 1943, who arrested and deported about a thousand of them by sealing it off and rounding them up. I just looked this up out of curiosity.

    There is some controversy as to why Pius didn't speak up at the time. My guess would be that he kept his mouth shut because most Jews who survived did so by hiding in the Vatican itself, and he didn't want the SS to storm it.

    A lot of people have no idea how brutal Nazi occupation could be. I lived for some time in Nantes, France as a child. Near my place there was a street commemorating 100 local people who were taken hostage and shot after the assassination of a Wehrmacht officer on the streets of Nantes. None had anything to do with the assassination -- they were shot to teach the locals a lesson.

    Replies: @Jack D

  271. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Twinkie likely doesn’t realize that without the Holocaust it’s unlikely Israel would exist today.
     
    You should take to the heart the old saying, "Wise men speak, because they have something to say. Fools speak, because they have to say something." Try not to speak for someone else.

    I am on record as stating that one of the tragedies of the Holocaust was that the German Jews were well in the process of being assimilated in Germany when it was launched by the Nazis. The Nazis themselves recognized this, because German Jews were often able to escape the Holocaust through various means (falsifying ancestry, special indulgence from the Nazi leaders*, records of prior military service, religious conversion, etc.) with a wink and a nod from the German authorities. That is why comparatively few German Jews perished in the Holocaust and the largest fraction of those who were killed hailed from Poland and Russia, the despised and less assimilated Ostjuden.

    *The prime example being Emil Maurice, Hitler's personal driver and SS member no. 2 (no. 1 being Hitler), who even dared to cuckhold Hitler with his half-niece (whom Hitler described as the only woman he ever loved) and yet live to tell the tale (Hitler protected him till the end of his days as one of his Alte Kamaraden). Maurice, incidentally, escaped de-Nazification rather easily as well after the war.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maurice was 1/8th Jewish (1 Jewish great grandfather) which normally was “good enough” for the Nuremberg Laws, which only went as far back as grandparents. However, people in the SS were supposed to be extra pure and show pure Aryan ancestry back to 1750.

    After the war, Maurice was tried and sentenced to four years in a labor camp but got out in 3, so I guess that was rather easy. The guy who ran my father’s camp got 20 years after the war but they let him out after 10. During the 1950s, Nazi stuff was considered a sort of a dead letter that we should move on from and worry about the live competition with the Soviets instead.

    As for the difference in deaths between the Jews of Germany and that of Poland and points east, that had less to do with assimilation than with circumstances. Hitler’s original goal was to get the Jews out of the Reich (which at first consisted only of Germany) and not to kill them all. He did this by trying to make their lives miserable and disqualifying them from an ever increasing list of occupations.

    Nevertheless many German Jews hung on, partly because they couldn’t find a place to go and partly because their lives were centered in Germany (some of them didn’t even consider themselves Jewish anymore) and they kept hoping that this Nazi thing would blow over. Nor did they understand that their very lives were in danger because they weren’t at that time – pre-1938 the Nazis were oppressive but not murderous toward the Jews.

    Finally in late 1938, the Nazis upped the ante with Kristallnacht. Thousands of Jewish men were arrested and were told that the only way to get out of Dachau was for them and their families to leave the country immediately and this succeeded in getting a lot more German Jews out.

    So, over a 6 year stretch from 1933 to 1939 and despite the reluctance of most places to take the Jews, most of the German Jews were forced out whether they liked it or not. By the time the Final Solution arrived, they were mostly elsewhere (although many like the Frank family only got as far as nearby European countries such as the Netherlands and France so they would meet the Nazis again).

    However, prior to the outbreak of the war, mass extermination was not on the table. Even during Kristallnacht, a whopping total of 91 Jews were killed. When the war broke out and the Germans occupied Poland and decided on the Final Solution, the Jews of Poland were completely trapped. Immigration was just not possible and so they were left to their fate.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Maurice was 1/8th Jewish (1 Jewish great grandfather) which normally was “good enough” for the Nuremberg Laws, which only went as far back as grandparents. However, people in the SS were supposed to be extra pure and show pure Aryan ancestry back to 1750.
     
    It wasn't just Maurice. There were numerous Germans of Jewish ancestry who escaped persecution and even thrived in high-ranking positions such as Luftwaffe Field Marshal Erhard Milch (Jewish father). These often involved fake attestations that the Jewish parents weren't really the parents that were not given a wink and a nod by the Nazi authorities or sometimes just outright dismissal of the matter (Hermann Goering: "I decide who is a Jew!").

    Such transparent facades would not have been possible without a high degree of assimiilation of the German Jews: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

    I made this astonishing discovery while delving into the literature of the war and the Nazi occupation of France for my novel, Paris Never Leaves You. According to Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg, thousands of full Jews and more than a hundred-thousand part-Jews joined the military of the Third Reich. The stories of these men and of the psychological as well as the physical hazards they endured altered the book I had originally set out to write.

    Some of the Jewish men who fought in Hitler’s military had been drafted. Others were patriots whose fathers, grandfathers, and uncles had served in the Imperial Army in WWI, and dutifully enlisted. One survivor described himself as a German first and a Jew second. Jewish allegiance to Germany in the early days of the Third Reich is one of the great unrequited love stories of history.

    Many of these Jews believed the Nuremburg racial laws and the rising tide of anti-Semitism did not apply to them. They were not Ostjuden, whom they perceived as uneducated and superstitious. German Jews were cultured. They were patriotic. Many could trace their roots in Germany back for generations. One officer who served in the Waffen-SS was the descendant of Jews who had fled the Inquisition and settled in Germany four centuries earlier. Some German Jews even tried to halt the influx of their co-religionists fleeing the persecution and pogroms of Eastern Europe for fear that the presence of these unassimilated Jews would undermine their own social standing. [Boldfaces mine.]
     
    As for Maurice:

    After the war, Maurice was tried and sentenced to four years in a labor camp but got out in 3, so I guess that was rather easy.
     
    Maurice wasn't just an ordinary Nazi. He was a personal driver of Adolf Hitler, SS member number 2, and a part of the Hitler's inner circle of old comrades. Yes, the denazification process eventually ended with the Cold War, but I know of no other case of such a notable SS member escaping with a light punishment (many such notable Nazis had all their property confiscated after the war, but Maurice only had to give up 1/4th of his property). The man got off extremely easy. And they say the Irish have all the luck.

    although many like the Frank family only got as far as nearby European countries such as the Netherlands and France so they would meet the Nazis again
     
    The Frank family had a chance to get out, but didn't take it, because Otto Frank still wanted to run a business in Europe (that's why he went to the Netherlands while Otto's mother Alice went to Switzerland, which was safe). By the way, because Otto was an officer in the Imperial German Army of World War I, he received special considerations (including a visa to Cuba, which was rescinded as soon as German declared war against the U.S.).
  272. @Harry Baldwin
    @TBA

    A Confederacy of Dunces has it's moments, but as a comic masterpiece it's no Catch 22.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I tried twice to read A Confederacy of Dunces and didn’t make it very far.

    Catch 22 struck me as an overly long one joke book. I never understood what all the fuss was about.

    Neither made any sense to me, and I never saw the (supposed) humor in either one.

  273. @PSR
    @TBA

    My feelings exactly. BTW, does anyone read Kurt Vonnegut, John Barth, Thomas Pynchon or Ken Kesey anymore? They were all ‘must reads’ when I was young.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I read some Vonnegut and Barth. Never could get more than 100 pages into Gravity’s Rainbow. Kesey no.

  274. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Perhaps I am confusing you with one of the many people here who do believe that. There are so many of them I can’t keep track of them all.
     
    Your mental incapacity is no excuse for employing fallacies and half-truths to "win" arguments.

    I thought it was you who said the motive for Jews to support illegal immigration was to balkanize the country to make it easier for Jews to control. If I am wrong let me know.
     
    Not specifically illegal immigration (alone). My overall point was that Jewish elites favor policies that weaken the Christian majority and indeed Balkanize the country. If you were alien elites that harbored contempt toward and fear of such a majority, would you want the country to be mostly Christian and white or would you want it to be divided into many different religions and ethnicities?

    They may not be part of the Church
     
    That sounds suspiciously like a backhanded way to admit that you were wrong.

    the Church does seem to work with them
     
    So what? Catholic Charities USA works with just about everyone, including the government of the District of Columbia.

    That it's "Catholic-affiliated" does not mean the Church endorses all and everything it does, let alone the majority of Catholics in this country. In any case, you are trying to draw a false equivalence here.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Frau Katze

    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.

    Perhaps the Church should try to reign in these people if they don’t agree with what they’re doing. They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.

    The Church also permitted a group of Catholics to help certain notorious Nazis escape to South America after WW2. No attempt to stop this group.

    A strange way to act if they strongly disapproved of these actions.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.
     
    The Catholic Church has over 1 billion adherents and it is not a dictatorship like the Mormon Church. The Church is infallible only on matters of faith and morals. It does not and cannot - and indeed should not - control the behaviors of its adherents in other avenues of life.

    And you really ought to study history more, instead of relying on the cartoon version of it. The Spanish Inquisition was established by the Spanish monarchy after Reconquista to control the non-Christian populations of Iberia. It was not under the control of the Church (indeed it was established to replace the Church-controlled inquisition). In point of fact, so many people accused by the Spanish Inquisition sought relief and help from the Church that the Spanish monarchy forbade - on pain of death - those who were accused by its inquisition from appealing to Rome.


    They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.
     
    Joe Biden calls himself a Catholic and subscribes to all manners of counter- and anti-Catholic beliefs, practices, and policies. No one can stop him from calling himself that. If and when the Church endorses something, it officially states so.

    In any case, this is false equivalence. Catholics are highly assimilated to the American mainstream and their political allegiance is split pretty evenly; this is not the case with the Jews who "earn like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans."

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  275. @Jack D
    @Bill P


    Jews had the run of Rome and never got kicked out.
     
    Feel free to invent your own imaginary history. Here is the real history:

    Established by Pope Paul IV in 1555, the Jewish Ghetto was the only place in Rome where local Jewish inhabitants were permitted to live. As such, the city’s entire Jewish community was confined to this small area, living in abject poverty and stripped of most of their rights by Pope Paul’s papal bull.

    At the time, Roman Jews could not own real estate and were only permitted to work in unskilled trades. They also had to wear yellow markings whenever they ventured outside the district. The area frequently flooded, and illness and disease plagued the population.

    The ghetto walls isolated the quarter from the rest of Rome,
     

    https://www.cityexperiences.com/blog/jewish-ghetto-rome-history/

    OTOH, somewhat hilariously, the vendors selling souvenirs to Catholic pilgrims outside the Vatican are mostly Jewish and have been since the 19th century:

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/jewish-souvenir-vendors-wear-yellow-stars-of-david-in-rome-protest-436316

    Replies: @Bill P

    That was an emergency measure due to all the wars breaking out during the Reformation.

    As compensation for being sequestered in the Jewish quarter, Jews were given licenses to conduct business in public throughout Rome — they literally had the run of the place.

    This is how Roman Jews got into the souvenir business in the first place.

    Apparently, despite the abolition of the ghetto, Jews nevertheless remained in the neighborhood, making them easy targets for Nazis occupying Rome in 1943, who arrested and deported about a thousand of them by sealing it off and rounding them up. I just looked this up out of curiosity.

    There is some controversy as to why Pius didn’t speak up at the time. My guess would be that he kept his mouth shut because most Jews who survived did so by hiding in the Vatican itself, and he didn’t want the SS to storm it.

    A lot of people have no idea how brutal Nazi occupation could be. I lived for some time in Nantes, France as a child. Near my place there was a street commemorating 100 local people who were taken hostage and shot after the assassination of a Wehrmacht officer on the streets of Nantes. None had anything to do with the assassination — they were shot to teach the locals a lesson.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Here is the first sentence (world's longest run-0n sentence) of the Papal Bull that established the Rome ghetto:


    Since it is absurd and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery, can under the pretext that pious Christians must accept them and sustain their habitation, are so ungrateful to Christians, as, instead of thanks for gracious treatment, they return contumely, and among themselves, instead of the slavery, which they deserve, they manage to claim superiority: we, who newly learned that these very Jews have insolently invaded our City Rome and a number of the Papal States, territories and domains their impudence increased so much that they dare not only to live amongst the Christian people, but also in the vicinity of the churches without any difference of dressing, and even that they rent houses in the main streets and squares, buy and hold immovable property, engage maids, nurses and other Christian servants, and commit other and numerous misdeeds with shame and contempt of the Christian name.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_nimis_absurdum#:~:text=The%20Ghetto%20was%20a%20walled,sermons%20on%20the%20Jewish%20shabbat.

    Nothing to do with the wars of the Reformation, just plain old fashioned Jew hatred and envy that is the common currency of anti-Semitism to this day. People say that the Jews never change but what really never changes are the tribal sentiments that underly anti-Semitism and other forms of racism.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

  276. @Jack D
    @Bill P


    at least the Catholics are primarily helping Christians,
     
    Not true. The "refugee resettlement" racket is a business and all of the "non-profits" compete for this business, Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish. A Somali Muslim "refugee" is a paying customer (well, they are not paying, the US gov is paying) and the Church charities are glad to take his (your) money regardless of religion. In fact, because it is a government contract they cannot discriminate by religion.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/03/24/refugee-settled-catholic-charities-choosing-family-over-fear

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    The “refugee resettlement” racket is a business and all of the “non-profits” compete for this business, Catholic, Lutheran and Jewish. A Somali Muslim “refugee” is a paying customer (well, they are not paying, the US gov is paying) and the Church charities are glad to take his (your) money regardless of religion.

    The story at the link describes a Somali Muslim with nine children! Somehow she’s living in a 2-story house.

    Gele has found an advocate in Catholic Charities of St. Paul and Minneapolis as she adjusts to a new country.

  277. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.

    Perhaps the Church should try to reign in these people if they don’t agree with what they’re doing. They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.

    The Church also permitted a group of Catholics to help certain notorious Nazis escape to South America after WW2. No attempt to stop this group.

    A strange way to act if they strongly disapproved of these actions.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.

    The Catholic Church has over 1 billion adherents and it is not a dictatorship like the Mormon Church. The Church is infallible only on matters of faith and morals. It does not and cannot – and indeed should not – control the behaviors of its adherents in other avenues of life.

    And you really ought to study history more, instead of relying on the cartoon version of it. The Spanish Inquisition was established by the Spanish monarchy after Reconquista to control the non-Christian populations of Iberia. It was not under the control of the Church (indeed it was established to replace the Church-controlled inquisition). In point of fact, so many people accused by the Spanish Inquisition sought relief and help from the Church that the Spanish monarchy forbade – on pain of death – those who were accused by its inquisition from appealing to Rome.

    They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.

    Joe Biden calls himself a Catholic and subscribes to all manners of counter- and anti-Catholic beliefs, practices, and policies. No one can stop him from calling himself that. If and when the Church endorses something, it officially states so.

    In any case, this is false equivalence. Catholics are highly assimilated to the American mainstream and their political allegiance is split pretty evenly; this is not the case with the Jews who “earn like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans.”

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    I gave the Spanish Inquisition as an example of something carried out by Catholics but not the Church itself. As you keep telling me, learn to read.

    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  278. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    Maurice was 1/8th Jewish (1 Jewish great grandfather) which normally was "good enough" for the Nuremberg Laws, which only went as far back as grandparents. However, people in the SS were supposed to be extra pure and show pure Aryan ancestry back to 1750.

    After the war, Maurice was tried and sentenced to four years in a labor camp but got out in 3, so I guess that was rather easy. The guy who ran my father's camp got 20 years after the war but they let him out after 10. During the 1950s, Nazi stuff was considered a sort of a dead letter that we should move on from and worry about the live competition with the Soviets instead.

    As for the difference in deaths between the Jews of Germany and that of Poland and points east, that had less to do with assimilation than with circumstances. Hitler's original goal was to get the Jews out of the Reich (which at first consisted only of Germany) and not to kill them all. He did this by trying to make their lives miserable and disqualifying them from an ever increasing list of occupations.

    Nevertheless many German Jews hung on, partly because they couldn't find a place to go and partly because their lives were centered in Germany (some of them didn't even consider themselves Jewish anymore) and they kept hoping that this Nazi thing would blow over. Nor did they understand that their very lives were in danger because they weren't at that time - pre-1938 the Nazis were oppressive but not murderous toward the Jews.

    Finally in late 1938, the Nazis upped the ante with Kristallnacht. Thousands of Jewish men were arrested and were told that the only way to get out of Dachau was for them and their families to leave the country immediately and this succeeded in getting a lot more German Jews out.

    So, over a 6 year stretch from 1933 to 1939 and despite the reluctance of most places to take the Jews, most of the German Jews were forced out whether they liked it or not. By the time the Final Solution arrived, they were mostly elsewhere (although many like the Frank family only got as far as nearby European countries such as the Netherlands and France so they would meet the Nazis again).

    However, prior to the outbreak of the war, mass extermination was not on the table. Even during Kristallnacht, a whopping total of 91 Jews were killed. When the war broke out and the Germans occupied Poland and decided on the Final Solution, the Jews of Poland were completely trapped. Immigration was just not possible and so they were left to their fate.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Maurice was 1/8th Jewish (1 Jewish great grandfather) which normally was “good enough” for the Nuremberg Laws, which only went as far back as grandparents. However, people in the SS were supposed to be extra pure and show pure Aryan ancestry back to 1750.

    It wasn’t just Maurice. There were numerous Germans of Jewish ancestry who escaped persecution and even thrived in high-ranking positions such as Luftwaffe Field Marshal Erhard Milch (Jewish father). These often involved fake attestations that the Jewish parents weren’t really the parents that were not given a wink and a nod by the Nazi authorities or sometimes just outright dismissal of the matter (Hermann Goering: “I decide who is a Jew!”).

    Such transparent facades would not have been possible without a high degree of assimiilation of the German Jews: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

    I made this astonishing discovery while delving into the literature of the war and the Nazi occupation of France for my novel, Paris Never Leaves You. According to Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers by Bryan Mark Rigg, thousands of full Jews and more than a hundred-thousand part-Jews joined the military of the Third Reich. The stories of these men and of the psychological as well as the physical hazards they endured altered the book I had originally set out to write.

    Some of the Jewish men who fought in Hitler’s military had been drafted. Others were patriots whose fathers, grandfathers, and uncles had served in the Imperial Army in WWI, and dutifully enlisted. One survivor described himself as a German first and a Jew second. Jewish allegiance to Germany in the early days of the Third Reich is one of the great unrequited love stories of history.

    Many of these Jews believed the Nuremburg racial laws and the rising tide of anti-Semitism did not apply to them. They were not Ostjuden, whom they perceived as uneducated and superstitious. German Jews were cultured. They were patriotic. Many could trace their roots in Germany back for generations. One officer who served in the Waffen-SS was the descendant of Jews who had fled the Inquisition and settled in Germany four centuries earlier. Some German Jews even tried to halt the influx of their co-religionists fleeing the persecution and pogroms of Eastern Europe for fear that the presence of these unassimilated Jews would undermine their own social standing. [Boldfaces mine.]

    As for Maurice:

    After the war, Maurice was tried and sentenced to four years in a labor camp but got out in 3, so I guess that was rather easy.

    Maurice wasn’t just an ordinary Nazi. He was a personal driver of Adolf Hitler, SS member number 2, and a part of the Hitler’s inner circle of old comrades. Yes, the denazification process eventually ended with the Cold War, but I know of no other case of such a notable SS member escaping with a light punishment (many such notable Nazis had all their property confiscated after the war, but Maurice only had to give up 1/4th of his property). The man got off extremely easy. And they say the Irish have all the luck.

    although many like the Frank family only got as far as nearby European countries such as the Netherlands and France so they would meet the Nazis again

    The Frank family had a chance to get out, but didn’t take it, because Otto Frank still wanted to run a business in Europe (that’s why he went to the Netherlands while Otto’s mother Alice went to Switzerland, which was safe). By the way, because Otto was an officer in the Imperial German Army of World War I, he received special considerations (including a visa to Cuba, which was rescinded as soon as German declared war against the U.S.).

  279. @Jack D
    @Frau Katze

    As far as I can tell, he not only converted to Catholicism but to some sort of ultra-conservative pre-Vatican II version of it that has traditional , Father Coughlin type views, which include anti-Semitism.

    The modern Church of course is quite liberal, pro-immigrant, pro-gay, pro-coexistence with the Jews, etc. but the traditional Church was none of these things.

    The Jews killed Jesus and they are stiff necked and STILL refuse to accept him as their messiah and as a result they are cursed forever or at least until they accept the True Religion. Now from the modern POV this is hate filled and racist and helped lead to the Holocaust but from the traditional POV it's the eternal truth and the Recent Unpleasantness does nothing to change this.

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @Bill P, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Neither you, Simon, nor the fifty thousand,
    Nor the Romans, nor the Jews,
    Nor Judas, nor the Twelve,
    Nor the priests, nor the scribes,
    Nor doomed Jerusalem itself,
    Understands what power is,
    Understands what glory is,
    Understands at all.
    Understands at all.

    “Quid est-ne veritas?” — Pontius Pilate.

    “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed.” — Gospel of Matthew

  280. @Tom F.
    @Mark G.


    When they don’t show up it does not make any difference because most of their work has been shifted elsewhere. This goes all the way to the top. Recently affirmative action hire DoD head Lloyd Austin disappeared for a week before anyone even noticed he was gone.
     
    Pete Buttigieg just called, and said Austin is taking liberties!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This is the clown who botched the Afghanistan withdrawal, and gave Putin the notion the same would happen in Ukraine if he invaded.

  281. @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    Your technique in defending the Catholic Church is to point out that the groups doing disagreeable things—assisting and thus helping enable illegal immigration and going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition—are Catholics but not the Church per se.
     
    The Catholic Church has over 1 billion adherents and it is not a dictatorship like the Mormon Church. The Church is infallible only on matters of faith and morals. It does not and cannot - and indeed should not - control the behaviors of its adherents in other avenues of life.

    And you really ought to study history more, instead of relying on the cartoon version of it. The Spanish Inquisition was established by the Spanish monarchy after Reconquista to control the non-Christian populations of Iberia. It was not under the control of the Church (indeed it was established to replace the Church-controlled inquisition). In point of fact, so many people accused by the Spanish Inquisition sought relief and help from the Church that the Spanish monarchy forbade - on pain of death - those who were accused by its inquisition from appealing to Rome.


    They could tell Catholic Charities to drop the word “Catholic” from their name.
     
    Joe Biden calls himself a Catholic and subscribes to all manners of counter- and anti-Catholic beliefs, practices, and policies. No one can stop him from calling himself that. If and when the Church endorses something, it officially states so.

    In any case, this is false equivalence. Catholics are highly assimilated to the American mainstream and their political allegiance is split pretty evenly; this is not the case with the Jews who "earn like Episcopalians, but vote like Puerto Ricans."

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I gave the Spanish Inquisition as an example of something carried out by Catholics but not the Church itself. As you keep telling me, learn to read.

    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Frau Katze


    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.
     
    Thank you. It’ll save me time instead of having to educate you.
  282. @Frau Katze
    @Twinkie

    I gave the Spanish Inquisition as an example of something carried out by Catholics but not the Church itself. As you keep telling me, learn to read.

    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.

    Thank you. It’ll save me time instead of having to educate you.

  283. @Bill P
    @Jack D

    That was an emergency measure due to all the wars breaking out during the Reformation.

    As compensation for being sequestered in the Jewish quarter, Jews were given licenses to conduct business in public throughout Rome -- they literally had the run of the place.

    This is how Roman Jews got into the souvenir business in the first place.

    Apparently, despite the abolition of the ghetto, Jews nevertheless remained in the neighborhood, making them easy targets for Nazis occupying Rome in 1943, who arrested and deported about a thousand of them by sealing it off and rounding them up. I just looked this up out of curiosity.

    There is some controversy as to why Pius didn't speak up at the time. My guess would be that he kept his mouth shut because most Jews who survived did so by hiding in the Vatican itself, and he didn't want the SS to storm it.

    A lot of people have no idea how brutal Nazi occupation could be. I lived for some time in Nantes, France as a child. Near my place there was a street commemorating 100 local people who were taken hostage and shot after the assassination of a Wehrmacht officer on the streets of Nantes. None had anything to do with the assassination -- they were shot to teach the locals a lesson.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Here is the first sentence (world’s longest run-0n sentence) of the Papal Bull that established the Rome ghetto:

    Since it is absurd and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery, can under the pretext that pious Christians must accept them and sustain their habitation, are so ungrateful to Christians, as, instead of thanks for gracious treatment, they return contumely, and among themselves, instead of the slavery, which they deserve, they manage to claim superiority: we, who newly learned that these very Jews have insolently invaded our City Rome and a number of the Papal States, territories and domains their impudence increased so much that they dare not only to live amongst the Christian people, but also in the vicinity of the churches without any difference of dressing, and even that they rent houses in the main streets and squares, buy and hold immovable property, engage maids, nurses and other Christian servants, and commit other and numerous misdeeds with shame and contempt of the Christian name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_nimis_absurdum#:~:text=The%20Ghetto%20was%20a%20walled,sermons%20on%20the%20Jewish%20shabbat.

    Nothing to do with the wars of the Reformation, just plain old fashioned Jew hatred and envy that is the common currency of anti-Semitism to this day. People say that the Jews never change but what really never changes are the tribal sentiments that underly anti-Semitism and other forms of racism.

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.

    Replies: @res

  284. @Jack D
    @Bill P

    Here is the first sentence (world's longest run-0n sentence) of the Papal Bull that established the Rome ghetto:


    Since it is absurd and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery, can under the pretext that pious Christians must accept them and sustain their habitation, are so ungrateful to Christians, as, instead of thanks for gracious treatment, they return contumely, and among themselves, instead of the slavery, which they deserve, they manage to claim superiority: we, who newly learned that these very Jews have insolently invaded our City Rome and a number of the Papal States, territories and domains their impudence increased so much that they dare not only to live amongst the Christian people, but also in the vicinity of the churches without any difference of dressing, and even that they rent houses in the main streets and squares, buy and hold immovable property, engage maids, nurses and other Christian servants, and commit other and numerous misdeeds with shame and contempt of the Christian name.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_nimis_absurdum#:~:text=The%20Ghetto%20was%20a%20walled,sermons%20on%20the%20Jewish%20shabbat.

    Nothing to do with the wars of the Reformation, just plain old fashioned Jew hatred and envy that is the common currency of anti-Semitism to this day. People say that the Jews never change but what really never changes are the tribal sentiments that underly anti-Semitism and other forms of racism.

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.

    • Replies: @res
    @Frau Katze

    Comment 283. A reply to Twinkie.


    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.
     
    Comment 286.

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.
     
    ???

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  285. @Frau Katze
    @Jack D

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.

    Replies: @res

    Comment 283. A reply to Twinkie.

    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.

    Comment 286.

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.

    ???

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @res

    For some reason or other that one comment was displayed. I haven’t seen any since then.

  286. @res
    @Frau Katze

    Comment 283. A reply to Twinkie.


    In any case from now I will no longer be reading your comments. Ignore commenter button pushed.
     
    Comment 286.

    I await the spin from Twinkie and comrades. Maybe they’ll just ignore it.
     
    ???

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    For some reason or other that one comment was displayed. I haven’t seen any since then.

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