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From Boston Magazine in 2014:

Harvard Chemist Grows Insanely Large Pumpkin
Sometimes, people are just better than you at a lot of things.
by ERIC RANDALL· 10/14/2014, 12:16 p.m.

It has long been established that accomplished people often have multiple talents. ,,,

Case in point: Harvard Chemistry Professor Charles Lieber grows terrifyingly large pumpkins. Lieber’s 1,870 pound pumpkin set a Massachusetts state record at a pumpkin weigh-off this weekend, and was covered by Good Morning America.

The pumpkin beat 44 other pumpkins to take home first prize this weekend at the annual giant pumpkin weigh-off at Frerichs Farm in Warren, Rhode Island.

“It set the record as the biggest one grown in Massachusetts,” Lieber’s wife, Jennifer, told ABC News. “He would have liked to have broken the 1,900-pound barrier but he’s happy with it.” …

Lieber doesn’t seem to be using high-level science to grow his pumpkins to the size of a small apartment as part of some official university work. GMA reports that his son got him interested in the hobby, so he bought a book. Before long, they were hoisting the insane produce onto the backs of trailers to take them to competition. Now, they plan to carve the winning pumpkin into a Jack-o-Lantern, which is another way of saying: do not bring your small children to the Lieber house for Halloween because that pumpkin will likely eat them.

Also, from NPR today:

Acclaimed Harvard Scientist Is Arrested, Accused Of Lying About Ties To China
January 28, 20202:31 PM ET
BILL CHAPPELL

An FBI affidavit that lays out the case against Charles Lieber includes what federal prosecutors say is a contract between the Harvard researcher and a university in China.

Charles Lieber, the chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, has been arrested and criminally charged with making “false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to the U.S. Defense Department about his ties to a Chinese government program to recruit foreign scientists and researchers.

The Justice Department says Lieber, 60, lied about his contact with the Chinese program known as the Thousand Talents Plan, which the U.S. has previously flagged as a serious intelligence concern. He also is accused of lying about about a lucrative contract he signed with China’s Wuhan University of Technology.

I’ve heard of Wuhan … Hasn’t Wuhan been in the news recently?

Or is this some sort of Martha Stewart type prosecution?

 
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  1. No points until you connect the dots and reveal the sinister grand design.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

  2. Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    • LOL: Oscar Peterson
    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dr. Krieger

    You don't understand how this works. If it harms the goyim, it's good for the Jews. So, just selling out to China is still all loyalties in proper working order.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Dr. Krieger

    I suppose there's an Israeli connection. Maybe Lieber is a "Proud Jew" who imagines himself as a warrior for-sniff-the JEWS!

    , @George
    @Dr. Krieger

    Lieber is not necessarily a name associated with Jewishness.

    It may be that he filled out a form incorrectly or did not fill out a form. Maria Butina, the Russian who with Putin conspired not to take our guns away, was convicted of not getting some form filled out, which probably she did not need to get filled out.

    Wen Ho Lee: Judge Parker apologized to Dr. Lee for the unfair manner in which he was treated. The judge also regretted being misled by the executive branch into ordering Dr. Lee's detention,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment,_imprisonment_and_release

    Replies: @Ozymandias

    , @JMcG
    @Dr. Krieger

    I think his dual loyalty doesn’t involve the US.

    , @Known Fact
    @Dr. Krieger

    Israel has greatly strengthened educational ties with China, especially when Obama was giving Bibi the cold shoulder. The Technion was heavily touting some big new campus in Shantou

    , @Not Raul
    @Dr. Krieger

    Not a surprise. Pollard helped China, too.

  3. Getting rich is glorious -Deng Xiaoping
    You can feed a lot of Chinamen with his giant pumpkins. Then no need to eat bat soup. This was why the Chicoms paid him the big bucks.

    Actually the pumpkin in our pies is a sweeter, better tasting squash variety, not anything like a Halloween pumpkin,

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Clyde

    You can feed a lot of Chinamen with his giant pumpkins. Then no need to eat bat soup.

    Bat soup with a pumpkin base. Fried bat with pumpkin spice batter. They're naturals for Chinese Halloween!

  4. Now it’s easy for all of us to judge Professors Lieber, but some points that we should keep in mind:

    1. Dr. L didn’t intentionally get into his expensive mega-produce hobby, but over time he found he couldn’t quit.

    2. $1.5 million is a LOT of money. Sure you and I would turn $150 or even $15,000 of Red Chinese money. But $1.5 million? Imagine a stack of 100 $100 bills. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases. Not so easy to say no now, is it?

    3. Godfree Roberts has proved Chinese Government is the most moral, humane, and democratic in the world. I think Dr. L agreed and was just trying to help.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    1) I know, except for the real Christians, the Chinese are not very religious in any way. I'm kind of wondering if Dr. Lieber was trying to introduce them to that old Peanuts idol, just as something to keep them from worshipping anyone like that fucker Mao ever again.

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Great_Pumpkin.jpg

    2) I'm imagining 60 briefcases, Lot. The grant was for $15 million. However, if you want to keep the cash in red Chinese money, the best you can do is get 100 Yuan notes (like almost all the rest of their bills with the Commie Mao on the front). You can get 6.9 元 for a $, but then the 100 元 note is 3.5 thousandths of an inch thick vs. 4.3 for 100 $ bills. That'd mean you'd need 5.6 times as many briefcases, so roughly 335 of 'em. Wait for a sale, at least.

    3) - LOL That was excellent!

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lot

    OK, $1.5 million plus the HUGE salary, and living expenses from WUT. I see what where you got your 1.5 million from Lot.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Lot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWRlxSGf_ns


    They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!

     

    , @Neoconned
    @Lot

    I'm actually quite impressed w Xis China but how are they democratic?

    Or are you just doing a cynical joke?

  5. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases

    Nah, 1.5 million is 1 & 1/2 – 2 briefcases, not 6.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    Lot was stacking his cash in lots of 250 grand a piece. 25 x 100 x $100, so I believe he's got that part right. How he knows how big the stacks are is something that makes me wonder whether he perhaps has some Sicilian background in him. I was taking his word for the stack sizes in my earlier comment.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

  6. He is not Chinese, shouldn’t the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn’t worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Barnard


    Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?
     
    "Information wants to be free."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free

    I love you Corona-Chan!

    https://i.imgur.com/zELSH1t.png

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Lugash
    @Barnard

    I’ve heard of Wuhan … Hasn’t Wuhan been in the news recently?

    From China's actions, I don't think this is a bioweapon that escaped. From my limited understanding they're providing the virus's complete genetic sequence to map it's transmission from person to person. If it was a bioweapon I doubt they'd do that.


    He is not Chinese, shouldn’t the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn’t worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?
     
    Maybe in China he's able to do research that would be restricted or banned in the US.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Barnard

    What if Jeffrey Epstein was on the U.S. government payroll, and his science philanthropy was a way to keep top American scientists on side using money, and, if necessary, access to young women?

    , @Triumph104
    @Barnard

    Do you think elite college coaches make enough money to not risk their careers?

    In 2019, Harvard fired fencing coach Peter Brand when it was discovered that Brand sold his $549,000 home for nearly $1 million to the Chinese-born father of a fencing recruit.

    Brand was born in Israel and immigrated to the US at age 13.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  7. More pumpkin? “Yes, please!”

  8. Somewhere OT McConnell does not have enough votes to block witnesses. LA Senator reportedly wants witnesses, a state Trump carried by 20 points but elected a Dem Gov. Who wants gun bans.

    Deep state is panicking Reps. Bolton and such will testify at the last minute and Trump will be convicted and removed.

    It does not matter how many supporters he has among deplorable. Only how much in the Senate where it is none. They’d all happily be defeated to go join a corporate board like Ryan.

    On topic, Chinas wet markets have long been fingered as pandemic breeders like African bush meat of primates and bats two pandemic reservoirs. Xi can’t even close them permanently. It’s so ingrained despite the dangers.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Whiskey

    It would require a Nixonian-type disaster for the Republican majority to turn turtle. Still, stranger things have happened. I still think The Don will walk but would never put money on it.

  9. is there a massive bioweapons/espionage fuckup going on

    Our (rogue) man in Wuhan?

    “Die!” — Espresso Lieber


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is your implication this dude created the coronavirus?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  10. Sailer,

    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.

    http://www.mankindquarterly.org/archive/issue/59-1/8

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rob


    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.
     
    Rec1man's numbers were absolutely laughable. But this number is absolutely ridiculous as well.

    India is a very different place from most places in the world. It really does have a bunch of separate breeding populations. And a couple of them, various Brahmins and Vaishyas (merchants) have made a living being literate and/or numerate for a couple thousand years. Ergo selection not unlike--in kind, probably not in magnitude--the Ashkenazi experienced.

    My guess is that the Brahmins and Vaishya castes that actually were merchants have intelligence more or less akin to white people. And the Dalits are in the ballpark of American (mixed) blacks--though their mean will test worse because of simple illiteracy.

    But whatever the numbers, there is no way the gap is only 5 points. I'd guess there is a measurable 10 pt gap just from environment alone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @PiltdownMan, @Rob

    , @Nikk
    @Rob

    I am neither a Brahmin nor a Dalit, but only a 5 point difference between these castes is highly implausible. There are multiple lines of evidence to prove that.

    1. Indian standardized tests JEE and CAT are heavily g-loaded, more so than SATs and ACTs. Here, there has been a persistent one S.D. gap between the Upper Castes (called OC in govt. lingo for Open Category) and Scheduled Castes or SCs (Dalits). The intermediate castes called OBCs fall in between these two groups. Now the Upper Caste category itself is a melange of different castes of which Brahmins are again disproportionately represented. We don't have details about the performance of each individual caste. But, based on surname analysis of top rankers there would be at least a 2 S.D. difference between the highest performing caste (South Indian Brahmins) and the lowest-performing group (Schedule Tribes).

    2. Brahmins make up around 5 p.c. of the total Indian population. SCs make up 16.6 p.c as per the 2011 census. So having a population thrice the size of Brahmins and only a 5 I.Q. point gap between them should result in the following scenario. There should be at least as many SCs as there are Brahmins in upper echelons of tech, medicine, law, humanities, etc. There should be at least as many SC recipients of Nobel, Fields, Turing, Abel and all other elite scientific prizes. But you have absolutely zero SC representation in the upper tier of scientific achievement. This extends further at national and regional levels too.

    From a long-term viewpoint though, a 5 point difference between the highest and lowest castes is desirable for India as this would mean lesser conflict between various competing castes. But as the overwhelming evidence suggests that is simply not the case at all.

  11. @Colin Wright
    No points until you connect the dots and reveal the sinister grand design.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    Boston Herald:

    “Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019.”

    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize…for something… in Israel.

    I’d say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Oscar Peterson

    "I’d say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020."

    I am very sorry to say I agree with you Mr. Peterson. Somewhere along the way, we Americans lost our souls.

    Keep ticklin' them keys.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Oscar Peterson

    Wow. That's like Hunter Biden level money!

    Was Wuhan U. also a no show job? China and the Ukraine both seem to be lands of opportunity for enterprising Americans.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Oscar Peterson


    I’d say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.
     
    Proof that you don't need to be a Vice President's son or President's daughter to get a sweet deal. Ain't America grand?
    , @Desiderius
    @Oscar Peterson

    He should see if Mayo Pete and Chasten could adopt him so he can get that sweet $50k/mnth for shady dealings immunity.

    , @Neoconned
    @Oscar Peterson

    Do you think he may be a mossad asset too?

    Lol triple agent?

  12. OT
    Today’s pandemic blast:

    Europe records its first case of human-to-human Coronavirus transmission: Four German workers caught the disease from a Chinese colleague who was visiting from Shanghai as the death toll hits more than 130
    The 33-year-old man caught his illness from a colleague who travelled to Germany from Shanghai
    She had recently visited her parents in Wuhan, the centre of the outbreak, and fell ill on her flight home

    Germany now has four confirmed cases – all employees at a firm recently visited by a Chinese colleague
    Two other men have been infected despite not travelling to China – one in Japan and one in Vietnam

    Hong Kong’s chief, Carrie Lam, today said trains and ferries to the Chinese mainland would be stopped
    Hong Kong will also halve the number of flights to China and stop giving visas to visitors from China
    In Australia the Peppers Broadbeach hotel on the Gold Coast was visited by hazmat-clad paramedics today

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Clyde

    “ Germany now has four confirmed cases – all employees at a firm recently visited by a Chinese colleague
    Two other men have been infected despite not travelling to China – one in Japan and one in Vietnam”

    One single Chinese guy infects multiple coworkers in Germany. How many at the airports and on the airplanes? I share a lot more “air” with the people around me on a plane than my coworkers at any job I’ve ever had.

    Meanwhile, 5 million fled Wuhan before the roads out were shut down. Twitter has multiple disturbing videos of attempts to defeat the roadblocks.

  13. • LOL: Hemid
    • Replies: @JUSA
    @Lot

    Why are we still allowing planes from China to land?!!!

    It's way past time to stop all incoming flights from China, and ban all entry of anyone who has been in China in the past 2 weeks!

    Fuck Trump. All he cares about is the stock market, and Israel.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Lot

    Very good.

  14. @Barnard
    He is not Chinese, shouldn't the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn't worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn't know he was spying for them?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lugash, @Dave Pinsen, @Triumph104

    Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?

    “Information wants to be free.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free

    I love you Corona-Chan!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    I love you Corona-Chan!
     
    We haven't heard from Rosie-- our own queen of corona.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVdlpZ4M-Hw

    Replies: @Hibernian

  15. About a decade ago, Lieber was considered a serious candidate for a Nobel Prize. But he never got one. Perhaps the snub, coupled with male midlife-crisis syndrome, impelled him to cut some corners.

    He should have just started cooking Meth.

    • Agree: bomag
    • LOL: donut, sayless
  16. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s likely he started doing this under Obama, because he knew Obama’s pack of USA hating, pro-commie lefties would look the other way, and by the time Trump was elected, the traitor was too far involved to back out without being exposed by his angry and vengeful Chinese masters.

    Common sense says there are many other traitor-professors selling secrets to the Chinese at other universities, and this guy is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m willing to bet he was also taking money to help Chinese students get into Harvard, and that it was an investigation into this cheating scandal that inadvertently exposed his selling of secrets to the Chinese.

  17. Cue the liberals arts profs crying, “Wah! The Chinese are never going to bribe me with millions for anything! I should have been a STEM major.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Makes me think of Senator Jordan's line from The Manchurian Candidate:

    "There are people who think of Johnny[A sitting senator who is secretly a Soviet puppet] as a clown and a buffoon, but I do not...I think if John Iselin were a paid Soviet agent, he could not do more to harm this country than he's doing now."

    link

    I feel the same way about those liberal arts profs. If he's really guilty, at least Lieber got some money out of it. They did it for free.

  18. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    https://harvardmagazine.com/2020/01/lieber-arrest

    According to The New York Times, “Dr. Lieber has made no secret of his work with Chinese partners, joining five senior Chinese officials and scientists in 2013 to found the WUT-Harvard Joint Nano Key Laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology.”

    Interestingly, this part from the NY Times article has been edited and removed since this article was originally published earlier today.

    One theory is that Lieber’s work may have given the Chinese government info and a heads up about US bioweapons capability, and may have thus mitigated the impact to some degree of the coronavirus outbreak, assuming it’s a US bioweapons attack as a part of the new Cold War.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous


    ... assuming it’s a US bioweapons attack as a part of the new Cold War.
     
    LOL. The stuff you read on iSteve.
  19. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    You don’t understand how this works. If it harms the goyim, it’s good for the Jews. So, just selling out to China is still all loyalties in proper working order.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Academics are always desperate for funding and will accept them from anyone and anywhere. It's not a Jewish thing.

    Lieber's association with Wuhan was public and not hidden. This is obviously political, especially considering the timing. The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities and then claiming it indicates various nefarious, deliberate motives and actions. It looks like they're making an example of him as a warning to academics against collaborating with China.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Alice, @Anon

  20. Send him to Wuhan, sans masks.

  21. @Lot
    https://i.imgur.com/Y6wvDup_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Replies: @JUSA, @Stebbing Heuer

    Why are we still allowing planes from China to land?!!!

    It’s way past time to stop all incoming flights from China, and ban all entry of anyone who has been in China in the past 2 weeks!

    Fuck Trump. All he cares about is the stock market, and Israel.

  22. @Rob
    Sailer,

    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.

    http://www.mankindquarterly.org/archive/issue/59-1/8

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Nikk

    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.

    Rec1man’s numbers were absolutely laughable. But this number is absolutely ridiculous as well.

    India is a very different place from most places in the world. It really does have a bunch of separate breeding populations. And a couple of them, various Brahmins and Vaishyas (merchants) have made a living being literate and/or numerate for a couple thousand years. Ergo selection not unlike–in kind, probably not in magnitude–the Ashkenazi experienced.

    My guess is that the Brahmins and Vaishya castes that actually were merchants have intelligence more or less akin to white people. And the Dalits are in the ballpark of American (mixed) blacks–though their mean will test worse because of simple illiteracy.

    But whatever the numbers, there is no way the gap is only 5 points. I’d guess there is a measurable 10 pt gap just from environment alone.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @AnotherDad

    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?


    Big leap for India’s nuclear forces? New Delhi to develop 5,000km-range K-5 missile following successful test of sub-launched K-4

    The K-5 will reportedly be capable of carrying four MIRV warheads of 500kgs each.

    K5-equipped subs will see India join an expensive club that so far only includes the United States, Russia, and China. Indeed, by successfully adding the K-5 missiles to its arsenal, India will show that it is armed with the ultimate nuclear triad, the capability of striking an enemy by air, land, or sea.
     

    According to the article, it's mainly about China.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad

    The data in these studies of caste in India are likely not much use, because India has over a thousand endogamous "sub" caste groups, while the studies are of broad "caste" differences. As Mr. Sailer pointed out in a post about an Indian marriage site, someone like Sundar Pichai, a South Indian brahmin, belongs to one of about half-a-dozen sub-sub castes. Measurements that span dozens or over a hundred subcastes over an area the size of Western Europe, of groups that likely haven't intermarried for a millenium because of marriage taboos, are likely not much use.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Rob
    @AnotherDad

    I can buy that vaishyas are smarter than the rest, being a good merchant has clear reproductive payoff in a pre-industrial (or at least pre-feminism and pre-birth control) Malthusian environment. But what the brahmins did was essentially magic, and dumb men cast spells just as well as smart men. Smart craftsmen do better than dumb ones, so I can see them being smarter than other populations. There just is not much evidence that smart priests out-breed dumb ones. There wasn’t even a caste escalator where smart members of lower castes got promoted to Brahmins, or where dumb Brahmins got demoted.

  23. @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

    “I’d say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.”

    I am very sorry to say I agree with you Mr. Peterson. Somewhere along the way, we Americans lost our souls.

    Keep ticklin’ them keys.

  24. Do bats eat pumpkins? Maybe the university was working on a way to breed giant bats for the meat markets and he was working on a way to feed them.

  25. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Barnard


    Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?
     
    "Information wants to be free."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_wants_to_be_free

    I love you Corona-Chan!

    https://i.imgur.com/zELSH1t.png

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I love you Corona-Chan!

    We haven’t heard from Rosie– our own queen of corona.

    • LOL: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wasn't Mario Cuomo from Corona?

  26. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Dr. Krieger

    You don't understand how this works. If it harms the goyim, it's good for the Jews. So, just selling out to China is still all loyalties in proper working order.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Academics are always desperate for funding and will accept them from anyone and anywhere. It’s not a Jewish thing.

    Lieber’s association with Wuhan was public and not hidden. This is obviously political, especially considering the timing. The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities and then claiming it indicates various nefarious, deliberate motives and actions. It looks like they’re making an example of him as a warning to academics against collaborating with China.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Anonymous


    The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities
     
    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent.

    Lieber’s association with Wuhan was public and not hidden.
     
    How public was it?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alice
    @Anonymous

    yes, because you're still a collaborating traitor when it's done publicly, and especially if the stuff you've given them is national security bio secrets.

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn't believe in borders, didn't believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn't even understand the LANL mission.

    The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you've been one. You never see what you did was wrong.

    Replies: @anon, @Joe Stalin

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    I agree. It’s 100% political. I feel sorry for the guy. If Deep State wants to make an example of you it can and will no matter who you are.

    Apparently the basis for arrest charge (18 U.S. Code Section 1001) [link below] is for not disclosing the extent of his foreign connections on a 2009 security clearance form and interview. Anyone who has filled out the security clearance form (SF-86 EQIP) knows how confusing it is with no space/way to provide clarifying information. And then the interview is often informal with a bunch of perfunctory and specific questions not germane to the issue Lieber was involved in. So, essentially Lieber’s problem was not having diarrhea of the mouth and providing intricate detail to his activities in China. And not cutting all ties to China prior to the U.S. starting its current covert war against China.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/444622489/Read-the-indictment-against-Charles-Lieber#from_embed?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=126006X1587340X830c492bb0810a7c7811c0e3c6520702&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

  27. @Clyde
    OT
    Today's pandemic blast:

    Europe records its first case of human-to-human Coronavirus transmission: Four German workers caught the disease from a Chinese colleague who was visiting from Shanghai as the death toll hits more than 130
    The 33-year-old man caught his illness from a colleague who travelled to Germany from Shanghai
    She had recently visited her parents in Wuhan, the centre of the outbreak, and fell ill on her flight home

    Germany now has four confirmed cases - all employees at a firm recently visited by a Chinese colleague
    Two other men have been infected despite not travelling to China – one in Japan and one in Vietnam

    Hong Kong's chief, Carrie Lam, today said trains and ferries to the Chinese mainland would be stopped
    Hong Kong will also halve the number of flights to China and stop giving visas to visitors from China
    In Australia the Peppers Broadbeach hotel on the Gold Coast was visited by hazmat-clad paramedics today
     

    Replies: @Lot

    “ Germany now has four confirmed cases – all employees at a firm recently visited by a Chinese colleague
    Two other men have been infected despite not travelling to China – one in Japan and one in Vietnam”

    One single Chinese guy infects multiple coworkers in Germany. How many at the airports and on the airplanes? I share a lot more “air” with the people around me on a plane than my coworkers at any job I’ve ever had.

    Meanwhile, 5 million fled Wuhan before the roads out were shut down. Twitter has multiple disturbing videos of attempts to defeat the roadblocks.

  28. @Lot
    Now it’s easy for all of us to judge Professors Lieber, but some points that we should keep in mind:

    1. Dr. L didn’t intentionally get into his expensive mega-produce hobby, but over time he found he couldn’t quit.

    2. $1.5 million is a LOT of money. Sure you and I would turn $150 or even $15,000 of Red Chinese money. But $1.5 million? Imagine a stack of 100 $100 bills. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases. Not so easy to say no now, is it?

    3. Godfree Roberts has proved Chinese Government is the most moral, humane, and democratic in the world. I think Dr. L agreed and was just trying to help.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @JohnnyWalker123, @Neoconned

    1) I know, except for the real Christians, the Chinese are not very religious in any way. I’m kind of wondering if Dr. Lieber was trying to introduce them to that old Peanuts idol, just as something to keep them from worshipping anyone like that fucker Mao ever again.

    2) I’m imagining 60 briefcases, Lot. The grant was for $15 million. However, if you want to keep the cash in red Chinese money, the best you can do is get 100 Yuan notes (like almost all the rest of their bills with the Commie Mao on the front). You can get 6.9 元 for a $, but then the 100 元 note is 3.5 thousandths of an inch thick vs. 4.3 for 100 $ bills. That’d mean you’d need 5.6 times as many briefcases, so roughly 335 of ’em. Wait for a sale, at least.

    3) – LOL That was excellent!

  29. • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack Roon

    Thank you for that link, Jack. That sure could explain the origins of this virus being in Wuhan.

  30. @kaganovitch
    Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases

    Nah, 1.5 million is 1 & 1/2 - 2 briefcases, not 6.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Lot was stacking his cash in lots of 250 grand a piece. 25 x 100 x $100, so I believe he’s got that part right. How he knows how big the stacks are is something that makes me wonder whether he perhaps has some Sicilian background in him. I was taking his word for the stack sizes in my earlier comment.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No I shouldn’t have guessed, the Internet says a normal briefcase holds $900,000 to a million of 100 dollar bills.

    https://geekbeat.tv/how-much-money-will-fit-in-a-briefcase/

    Circulated bills probably can’t pack that tight, but getting it all in two still seems possible.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon, @kaganovitch

    , @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Frank Sinatra was accused of transporting some amount of money (maybe a million, maybe two) in $100 bills for mobsters in a suitcase once. He immediately responded that if you could show him the suitcase that would hold that much money in $100 bills, he'd give the reporter the money!

    Even the somewhat slow journalists realized that for him to know off the top of his head how much space a million dollars took up, he probably had experience first hand with suitcases full of US currency.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  31. @Anonymous
    https://harvardmagazine.com/2020/01/lieber-arrest

    According to The New York Times, “Dr. Lieber has made no secret of his work with Chinese partners, joining five senior Chinese officials and scientists in 2013 to found the WUT-Harvard Joint Nano Key Laboratory at the Wuhan University of Technology.”
     
    Interestingly, this part from the NY Times article has been edited and removed since this article was originally published earlier today.

    One theory is that Lieber's work may have given the Chinese government info and a heads up about US bioweapons capability, and may have thus mitigated the impact to some degree of the coronavirus outbreak, assuming it's a US bioweapons attack as a part of the new Cold War.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    … assuming it’s a US bioweapons attack as a part of the new Cold War.

    LOL. The stuff you read on iSteve.

  32. @Reg Cæsar
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    I love you Corona-Chan!
     
    We haven't heard from Rosie-- our own queen of corona.


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVdlpZ4M-Hw

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Wasn’t Mario Cuomo from Corona?

  33. @Lot
    Now it’s easy for all of us to judge Professors Lieber, but some points that we should keep in mind:

    1. Dr. L didn’t intentionally get into his expensive mega-produce hobby, but over time he found he couldn’t quit.

    2. $1.5 million is a LOT of money. Sure you and I would turn $150 or even $15,000 of Red Chinese money. But $1.5 million? Imagine a stack of 100 $100 bills. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases. Not so easy to say no now, is it?

    3. Godfree Roberts has proved Chinese Government is the most moral, humane, and democratic in the world. I think Dr. L agreed and was just trying to help.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @JohnnyWalker123, @Neoconned

    OK, $1.5 million plus the HUGE salary, and living expenses from WUT. I see what where you got your 1.5 million from Lot.

  34. @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Academics are always desperate for funding and will accept them from anyone and anywhere. It's not a Jewish thing.

    Lieber's association with Wuhan was public and not hidden. This is obviously political, especially considering the timing. The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities and then claiming it indicates various nefarious, deliberate motives and actions. It looks like they're making an example of him as a warning to academics against collaborating with China.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Alice, @Anon

    The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities

    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent.

    Lieber’s association with Wuhan was public and not hidden.

    How public was it?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hibernian


    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent
     
    If you don't talk to a federal agent you can't lie to him. Next time a federal agent wants to talk to you for any reason, tell him to fuck off. I don't care how clean cut and well mannered he is and how he just wants you to clear some things up so you can exonerate yourself, no big deal. Tell him (politely) to fuck off.

    Replies: @anon, @Autochthon

  35. @Barnard
    He is not Chinese, shouldn't the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn't worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn't know he was spying for them?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lugash, @Dave Pinsen, @Triumph104

    I’ve heard of Wuhan … Hasn’t Wuhan been in the news recently?

    From China’s actions, I don’t think this is a bioweapon that escaped. From my limited understanding they’re providing the virus’s complete genetic sequence to map it’s transmission from person to person. If it was a bioweapon I doubt they’d do that.

    He is not Chinese, shouldn’t the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn’t worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?

    Maybe in China he’s able to do research that would be restricted or banned in the US.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Lugash

    The book "Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic" by David Quammen makes a pretty persuasive case that China's infamous wet markets where live wild animals are held next to live domestic animals for days/weeks before being eaten, has been the source of multiple health crisis.

    The Chinese authorities have wanted to crack down on this for ages -- its a massive public health hazard, makes China look bad to outsiders regarding eating/killing endangered wild animals, and costs the government lots and lots money when things get really bad (and again makes China look bad to other nations when its trying its best to compete against the US in the Belt and Road Initiative).

    I would say that the outbreak is almost certainly the result of all sorts of wild animal pathogens that would normally not be around humans at all incubating in that disgusting environment. High IQ China? The FT had a story where a pig farm caused drones to be shut down nationwide. They were selling their infected African Swine Fever pork as normal, non infected pork. The reason they did this (it was one of the biggest farms in China) was that gangsters would drop infected pig carcasses pieces by drones into their farms. Then demand cut rate prices for their pork which they would resell as non infected. The farm complex complained to police, only to find ... wait for it ... the cops and the gangsters were the SAME PEOPLE. The call was coming from ... inside the house!

    Not even Xi can end the wet markets permanently. Its only a temporary measure. Unhealthy habits are part and parcel of who the Chinese are, really. Anyone who has been to China can see that immediately.

  36. Just have CHIPAC insist all US politicians and deep state operatives chant “China is our greatest ally.”

    Then, whatever is done between US and China will just be normal business.

    US is a colony. During British Imperialism, it was perfectly ‘normal’ for Asian-Indians to do whatever that was in British interests but it was NOT okay for Asian-Indians to do anything against or un-aligned with British interests.

    So, Jews and others doing favors for Israel is no problem because US is a colony of Jewish hegemony.
    But similar activities for China(or Russia or Iran) is a huge problem.

    If US were a truly free and normal nation, it would SAY NO to both AIPAC and CHIPAC. But AIPAC gets away with everything.

    Will CHIPAC gain in yrs to come to the point where stuff like this Wuhan scandal won’t be problematic or newsworthy?

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    Lot was stacking his cash in lots of 250 grand a piece. 25 x 100 x $100, so I believe he's got that part right. How he knows how big the stacks are is something that makes me wonder whether he perhaps has some Sicilian background in him. I was taking his word for the stack sizes in my earlier comment.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

    No I shouldn’t have guessed, the Internet says a normal briefcase holds $900,000 to a million of 100 dollar bills.

    https://geekbeat.tv/how-much-money-will-fit-in-a-briefcase/

    Circulated bills probably can’t pack that tight, but getting it all in two still seems possible.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Lot

    https://i1.wp.com/www.pawsforbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/fed.jpg?w=1000

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @anon
    @Lot

    Would love to test that theory. Let me know when and where you'll be with the cash and brief case. I'll stop by...

    , @kaganovitch
    @Lot

    I got 8500 banded singles(long story) into a briefcase, which was how I know that 2 would do for 1.5 million.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  38. Nerdy scientist with yellow fever lured in by Chinese honeypot. That’s my guess.

  39. From Chinese panic,
    virus escaped, engineered.

    Quicker and cheaper to have tent hosps,
    not concrete, surrounded by razor wire
    and gun toting guards.

    Pumpkins probably engineered too.
    Certainly diseased and need to be quarantined.
    Maybe viruses incubated in pumpkins?

    Lieber, typical Harvarder, dishonest and greedy.

    Bats just bats.

    Crispy and good when deep fried and seasoned.
    In soup, disgusting.

    5ds

  40. @Lot
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No I shouldn’t have guessed, the Internet says a normal briefcase holds $900,000 to a million of 100 dollar bills.

    https://geekbeat.tv/how-much-money-will-fit-in-a-briefcase/

    Circulated bills probably can’t pack that tight, but getting it all in two still seems possible.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon, @kaganovitch

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Joe Stalin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGMwcTatIr8

  41. @AnotherDad
    @Rob


    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.
     
    Rec1man's numbers were absolutely laughable. But this number is absolutely ridiculous as well.

    India is a very different place from most places in the world. It really does have a bunch of separate breeding populations. And a couple of them, various Brahmins and Vaishyas (merchants) have made a living being literate and/or numerate for a couple thousand years. Ergo selection not unlike--in kind, probably not in magnitude--the Ashkenazi experienced.

    My guess is that the Brahmins and Vaishya castes that actually were merchants have intelligence more or less akin to white people. And the Dalits are in the ballpark of American (mixed) blacks--though their mean will test worse because of simple illiteracy.

    But whatever the numbers, there is no way the gap is only 5 points. I'd guess there is a measurable 10 pt gap just from environment alone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @PiltdownMan, @Rob

    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?

    Big leap for India’s nuclear forces? New Delhi to develop 5,000km-range K-5 missile following successful test of sub-launched K-4

    The K-5 will reportedly be capable of carrying four MIRV warheads of 500kgs each.

    K5-equipped subs will see India join an expensive club that so far only includes the United States, Russia, and China. Indeed, by successfully adding the K-5 missiles to its arsenal, India will show that it is armed with the ultimate nuclear triad, the capability of striking an enemy by air, land, or sea.

    According to the article, it’s mainly about China.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Mr McKenna


    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?
     
    Why does Israel need 5000-km missiles? I don't know, the West Bank is barely 35 miles across.

    On the other hand, it is about 5,000 kilometers from India's principal rocket launch site to China's PLA Rocket Force ICBM base in China's northeast. They have a border dispute over a 2000 mile border with China claiming one of India's states as its own. And India and China have fought a hot war over that border.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  42. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Where has Lieber been physically located for most of the past seven years? Has the Chinese university/government been paying him to do what he already does in Cambridge anyway while cultivating talented Chinese grad students at Harvard, or did he physically relocate to China for much of the year?

    Would be interesting to know how such funding affected which grad students Lieber chose to take on.

  43. This is really about the Feds belatedly cracking down on Chinese infiltration of US research universities. It’s a fascinating tale. And it demonstrates that we’re losing.

    Thousand Talents is a big deal.

  44. @Lugash
    @Barnard

    I’ve heard of Wuhan … Hasn’t Wuhan been in the news recently?

    From China's actions, I don't think this is a bioweapon that escaped. From my limited understanding they're providing the virus's complete genetic sequence to map it's transmission from person to person. If it was a bioweapon I doubt they'd do that.


    He is not Chinese, shouldn’t the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn’t worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn’t know he was spying for them?
     
    Maybe in China he's able to do research that would be restricted or banned in the US.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    The book “Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic” by David Quammen makes a pretty persuasive case that China’s infamous wet markets where live wild animals are held next to live domestic animals for days/weeks before being eaten, has been the source of multiple health crisis.

    The Chinese authorities have wanted to crack down on this for ages — its a massive public health hazard, makes China look bad to outsiders regarding eating/killing endangered wild animals, and costs the government lots and lots money when things get really bad (and again makes China look bad to other nations when its trying its best to compete against the US in the Belt and Road Initiative).

    I would say that the outbreak is almost certainly the result of all sorts of wild animal pathogens that would normally not be around humans at all incubating in that disgusting environment. High IQ China? The FT had a story where a pig farm caused drones to be shut down nationwide. They were selling their infected African Swine Fever pork as normal, non infected pork. The reason they did this (it was one of the biggest farms in China) was that gangsters would drop infected pig carcasses pieces by drones into their farms. Then demand cut rate prices for their pork which they would resell as non infected. The farm complex complained to police, only to find … wait for it … the cops and the gangsters were the SAME PEOPLE. The call was coming from … inside the house!

    Not even Xi can end the wet markets permanently. Its only a temporary measure. Unhealthy habits are part and parcel of who the Chinese are, really. Anyone who has been to China can see that immediately.

  45. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Cue the liberals arts profs crying, "Wah! The Chinese are never going to bribe me with millions for anything! I should have been a STEM major."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Makes me think of Senator Jordan’s line from The Manchurian Candidate:

    “There are people who think of Johnny[A sitting senator who is secretly a Soviet puppet] as a clown and a buffoon, but I do not…I think if John Iselin were a paid Soviet agent, he could not do more to harm this country than he’s doing now.”

    link

    I feel the same way about those liberal arts profs. If he’s really guilty, at least Lieber got some money out of it. They did it for free.

  46. Charles Lieber = Hebraic seller

    • Thanks: Change that Matters
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @the one they call Desanex

    Wuhan University of Technology = A leeching snout, unworthy of ivy.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @The Last Real Calvinist

  47. @Joe Stalin
    @Lot

    https://i1.wp.com/www.pawsforbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/fed.jpg?w=1000

    Replies: @snorlax

  48. When I first read this story, I thought that I must surely be missing something. I’m assuming that there are hundreds of other professors around the country guilty of similar crimes, who haven’t been prosecuted. So why are they going after this guy now? What’s changed? I can speculate, but I really don’t know.

  49. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    Lot was stacking his cash in lots of 250 grand a piece. 25 x 100 x $100, so I believe he's got that part right. How he knows how big the stacks are is something that makes me wonder whether he perhaps has some Sicilian background in him. I was taking his word for the stack sizes in my earlier comment.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

    Frank Sinatra was accused of transporting some amount of money (maybe a million, maybe two) in $100 bills for mobsters in a suitcase once. He immediately responded that if you could show him the suitcase that would hold that much money in $100 bills, he’d give the reporter the money!

    Even the somewhat slow journalists realized that for him to know off the top of his head how much space a million dollars took up, he probably had experience first hand with suitcases full of US currency.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    ...if you could show him the suitcase that would hold that much money in $100 bills, he’d give the reporter the money!
     
    https://www.luggageandsuitcase.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/biggest-suitcase-in-the-world.jpg


    Now in the Trump era, you'll need a little more room:


    https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/newark-ohio-longaberger-headquarters-front-e1515560765456.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1200&h=900&crop=1
  50. Head of Harvard chemistry dept.?

    That’s a pretty high-profile arrest. The Chinese call this “killing a chicken to scare the monkeys.”

    There’s no way Lieber is the only guy doing this, so the feds are sending a strong message to the thousands of other traitor academics out there who are profiting from tech transfer to Beijing.

    A little late in the game, but it’s a start…

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Bill P

    Actually, “killing the chicken to scare the monkey” means making an example of a lower rank person in order to show the higher ups you mean business.

    A man invested a lot of money and time teaching a monkey to dance. But one day the monkey stopped dancing. Nothing the man could say or do would make the monkey resume dancing.

    So the man bought a chicken and told it to dance. When it didn’t, the man chopped its head off and ate it.

    The monkey got the message and started dancing again.

    Replies: @Bill P

  51. Harvard Chemist Grows Giant Pumpkin, Also Gets Arrested Over Secret Wuhan Ties

    iSteve was right, Moneyball-type winners turn out to be cheaters.

  52. @Lot
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No I shouldn’t have guessed, the Internet says a normal briefcase holds $900,000 to a million of 100 dollar bills.

    https://geekbeat.tv/how-much-money-will-fit-in-a-briefcase/

    Circulated bills probably can’t pack that tight, but getting it all in two still seems possible.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon, @kaganovitch

    Would love to test that theory. Let me know when and where you’ll be with the cash and brief case. I’ll stop by…

  53. @Mr McKenna
    @AnotherDad

    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?


    Big leap for India’s nuclear forces? New Delhi to develop 5,000km-range K-5 missile following successful test of sub-launched K-4

    The K-5 will reportedly be capable of carrying four MIRV warheads of 500kgs each.

    K5-equipped subs will see India join an expensive club that so far only includes the United States, Russia, and China. Indeed, by successfully adding the K-5 missiles to its arsenal, India will show that it is armed with the ultimate nuclear triad, the capability of striking an enemy by air, land, or sea.
     

    According to the article, it's mainly about China.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?

    Why does Israel need 5000-km missiles? I don’t know, the West Bank is barely 35 miles across.

    On the other hand, it is about 5,000 kilometers from India’s principal rocket launch site to China’s PLA Rocket Force ICBM base in China’s northeast. They have a border dispute over a 2000 mile border with China claiming one of India’s states as its own. And India and China have fought a hot war over that border.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @PiltdownMan

    Yeah but Israel has a basic need to threaten faraway countries.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @PiltdownMan

    "Why does Israel need 5000 km missiles?"

    Duh, to threaten and blackmail the goyim with. How else do you think Their Greatest Ally Evah is going to stay on the reservation? By virtue of actual merit points? Do you really think that anybody on earth would ever voluntarily be friends with these people, if there weren't some sort of weapon pointed at them?

    Imagine being so naturally, inherently repulsive and despicable that you have to literally arm-twist foreign governments to forcibly pass laws making it illegal to hate you.

    Think of that. Proof, pudding, etc.

    Replies: @Jack D

  54. @Barnard
    He is not Chinese, shouldn't the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn't worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn't know he was spying for them?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lugash, @Dave Pinsen, @Triumph104

    What if Jeffrey Epstein was on the U.S. government payroll, and his science philanthropy was a way to keep top American scientists on side using money, and, if necessary, access to young women?

  55. @AnotherDad
    @Rob


    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.
     
    Rec1man's numbers were absolutely laughable. But this number is absolutely ridiculous as well.

    India is a very different place from most places in the world. It really does have a bunch of separate breeding populations. And a couple of them, various Brahmins and Vaishyas (merchants) have made a living being literate and/or numerate for a couple thousand years. Ergo selection not unlike--in kind, probably not in magnitude--the Ashkenazi experienced.

    My guess is that the Brahmins and Vaishya castes that actually were merchants have intelligence more or less akin to white people. And the Dalits are in the ballpark of American (mixed) blacks--though their mean will test worse because of simple illiteracy.

    But whatever the numbers, there is no way the gap is only 5 points. I'd guess there is a measurable 10 pt gap just from environment alone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @PiltdownMan, @Rob

    The data in these studies of caste in India are likely not much use, because India has over a thousand endogamous “sub” caste groups, while the studies are of broad “caste” differences. As Mr. Sailer pointed out in a post about an Indian marriage site, someone like Sundar Pichai, a South Indian brahmin, belongs to one of about half-a-dozen sub-sub castes. Measurements that span dozens or over a hundred subcastes over an area the size of Western Europe, of groups that likely haven’t intermarried for a millenium because of marriage taboos, are likely not much use.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @PiltdownMan

    Thank you. As is obvious to any fool, these IQ statistics are whatever their makers want them to be.

    And the idiots on here who think they understand India are beneath contempt.

  56. Just read a bunch articles about this online, apparently he was confronted by Harvard about his connection with the Chinese university back in 2015. He admitted the collaboration but didn’t disclose he was getting paid by them, he also claimed they were using the Harvard name and logo without his permission.

    I only saw this mentioned in article in C&EN, an industry publication for chemists and chemical engineers, however it appears in 2017 Harvard promoted him to University Professor anyway which is the highest rank on the Harvard faculty. If they confronted him about something fishy in 2015, why did they give him in effect a promotion two years later?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Unladen Swallow


    If they confronted him about something fishy in 2015, why did they give him in effect a promotion two years later?
     
    I'd guess the confronting group and the promotion group are two separate entities that have the usual conflict and disdain.

    Don't expect academic bureaucracy to have much integrity; otherwise, they'd cut 80% of the positions.
  57. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    In related news, it’s not quite “Asteroid Slams Into Earth, Women and Minorities Hardest Hit”, but it’s getting there. From Canada’s newspaper of record:

    Fear over coronavirus prompts school board in Ontario to warn parents about racism against Chinese community

    Really hard-hitting reporting from one of the Globe’s resident SJW brown lady-writers.

    More than 8,000 people were calling for school boards in the region north of Toronto – a region in which the top reported ethnic origin is Chinese – to not allow students whose family members had travelled to China within 17 days to come to school.

    On Monday, the York board released a note to parents to address another virus: anti-Chinese xenophobia.

    “We are aware of an escalated level of concern and anxiety among families of Chinese heritage,” wrote Juanita Nathan, the board’s chair, and Louise Sirisko, its education director. “Individuals who make assumptions, even with positive intentions of safety, about the risk of others, request or demand quarantine can be seen as demonstrating bias and racism.”

    So in other words, if you question our job performance, you are racist. I’m surprised somebody hasn’t thought of this before.

    Many, if not most, of the parents worried about their children getting sick are ethnic Chinese themselves if you bother to look at the petition. In fact, the diversity of names really is admirable. You see Chinese, Iranians, Indians and Jews coming together to be racist. Against Chinese. In fact, one unmentioned issue is that York Region’s school board, like others in Canada, acts as an unofficial private school, educating Chinese students sent by their parents for ~$20 000 per year. Many of these were probably home during the recent holidays. Oh well, lets talk about feelings.

    Avvy Go felt a tickle in her throat on the subway ride to work Monday, but willed herself to suppress the cough. She feared coughing on public transit as a Chinese woman might make her a pariah as it did for so many other Asian-Canadians during the SARS outbreak.

    I wonder if Ms. Go has any particular interest/axe to grind regarding anti-Chinese sentiment, real or imagined?

    Ms. Go, the director of the Metro Toronto Chinese & Southeast Asian Legal Clinic…

    Yup

    …detailed the myriad ways SARS affected her clients: Many suffered job losses after Chinese restaurants saw a steep drop in business; Asian claimants who appeared before the Immigration and Refugee Board faced staff wearing masks; and tenants reported being threatened with eviction by their landlords because they were Chinese.

    Ms. Go shared much of this when she testified at Ontario’s public hearings on the SARS crisis but she was disappointed to find nothing about racism in the inquiry’s 2007 report.

    Maybe objective observers couldn’t find any.

    Recommendations on how to respond to racist rhetoric would have been helpful for future outbreaks such as this one, she said.

    They probably would have been helpful for her bank account.

    “As they prepare for the virus, they [should] also prepare for the virus of racism and have everything in place at the same time,” she said.

    A human-rights grifter can’t afford to let an opportunity like this go to waste. I wonder how she feels about quarantines for people who have the dreaded racism bug?

    When Toronto Chinatown Business Improvement Area chair Tonny Louie addressed the crowd at Saturday’s Lunar New Year parade, he felt the need to explain his sore throat.

    “I reminded everybody there that I do not have the virus. I just happen to have a cold,” he said.

    If there’s one event that you can count on to attract large numbers of Sinophobes during January in Canada, it’s a Chinese New Year parade.

    The next day, he noticed a drop in business throughout downtown Toronto’s Chinatown and its dozens of restaurants – something he blames on fears about the virus.

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that the reason people didn’t go to Chinese restaurants the Sunday after a big Chinese New Year party is that they were still full of Chinese food from the previous day.

    He repeated the message that the district was safe, as was the food, and called on politicians to have meals in Chinese restaurants as then-prime minister Jean Chrétien did during the 2003 SARS outbreak to signal to Canadians that doing so was safe.

    Imagine that. The chair of the Toronto Chinatown Business Improvement Area wants prominent politicians to eat at restaurants in Chinatown. If Justin Trudeau doesn’t make an appearance tomorrow and eat dumplings, a mob will torch every building on Spadina Avenue between Queen and College. Oddly enough, I haven’t read an obligatory Head Tax reference.

    Government policy that disenfranchised Chinese people, such as the head tax (an immigration tax imposed on Chinese arrivals), “fed into these tropes of this disgusting, uncivilized cultural grouping,” he said.

    There it is. Fun fact: If you were born the year the Head Tax was abandoned(and you’re still alive) you will turn 97 this year. If you were born when being being an ethnic Chinese last made any difference in your immigration application, you’re in your late fifties. So you can see why our crack journo Ms. Bascaramurty feels this is relevant.

    On a personal note, I was actually a teenager in the Toronto suburbs during the SARS outbreak. I can’t recall any racism towards Chinese people, or hearing about any(the media was a lot less hungry for such stories in 2003). My main memory was finally bedding the Chinese classmate I’d been pursuing for months.

    And then there was a huge concert in Downsview Park.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    A human-rights grifter can’t afford to let an opportunity like this go to waste.
     
    Yes.

    And the hate-hoax arc suggests they won't be above manufacturing opportunities to keep the vigorish flowing.
  58. @Lot
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No I shouldn’t have guessed, the Internet says a normal briefcase holds $900,000 to a million of 100 dollar bills.

    https://geekbeat.tv/how-much-money-will-fit-in-a-briefcase/

    Circulated bills probably can’t pack that tight, but getting it all in two still seems possible.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @anon, @kaganovitch

    I got 8500 banded singles(long story) into a briefcase, which was how I know that 2 would do for 1.5 million.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @kaganovitch

    Visit every strip joint in N America? Enquiring minds want to know.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  59. @Barnard
    He is not Chinese, shouldn't the chairman of the Harvard Chemistry department be making enough money that becoming a Chinese spy isn't worth the risk? Is it possible he is so naive he didn't know he was spying for them?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lugash, @Dave Pinsen, @Triumph104

    Do you think elite college coaches make enough money to not risk their careers?

    In 2019, Harvard fired fencing coach Peter Brand when it was discovered that Brand sold his $549,000 home for nearly $1 million to the Chinese-born father of a fencing recruit.

    Brand was born in Israel and immigrated to the US at age 13.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Triumph104


    In 2019, Harvard fired fencing coach Peter Brand when it was discovered that Brand sold his $549,000 home for nearly $1 million to the Chinese-born father of a fencing recruit.
     
    Was it [ahem] fenced?


    http://blog.legalbistro.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/law_fence.jpg

  60. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    I suppose there’s an Israeli connection. Maybe Lieber is a “Proud Jew” who imagines himself as a warrior for-sniff-the JEWS!

  61. @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

    Wow. That’s like Hunter Biden level money!

    Was Wuhan U. also a no show job? China and the Ukraine both seem to be lands of opportunity for enterprising Americans.

  62. Good God!

    That picture reminds me of one of those tragic/’comic’ gawp inducing low-rent TLC documentaries pointing a prurient finger at some rather extreme and anatomic specific cases of filirial elephantiasis.

  63. @Anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Frank Sinatra was accused of transporting some amount of money (maybe a million, maybe two) in $100 bills for mobsters in a suitcase once. He immediately responded that if you could show him the suitcase that would hold that much money in $100 bills, he'd give the reporter the money!

    Even the somewhat slow journalists realized that for him to know off the top of his head how much space a million dollars took up, he probably had experience first hand with suitcases full of US currency.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …if you could show him the suitcase that would hold that much money in $100 bills, he’d give the reporter the money!

    Now in the Trump era, you’ll need a little more room:

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  64. @Triumph104
    @Barnard

    Do you think elite college coaches make enough money to not risk their careers?

    In 2019, Harvard fired fencing coach Peter Brand when it was discovered that Brand sold his $549,000 home for nearly $1 million to the Chinese-born father of a fencing recruit.

    Brand was born in Israel and immigrated to the US at age 13.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In 2019, Harvard fired fencing coach Peter Brand when it was discovered that Brand sold his $549,000 home for nearly $1 million to the Chinese-born father of a fencing recruit.

    Was it [ahem] fenced?

  65. @the one they call Desanex
    Charles Lieber = Hebraic seller

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wuhan University of Technology = A leeching snout, unworthy of ivy.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    outstanding!

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of your best, Reg.

  66. @PiltdownMan
    @Mr McKenna


    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?
     
    Why does Israel need 5000-km missiles? I don't know, the West Bank is barely 35 miles across.

    On the other hand, it is about 5,000 kilometers from India's principal rocket launch site to China's PLA Rocket Force ICBM base in China's northeast. They have a border dispute over a 2000 mile border with China claiming one of India's states as its own. And India and China have fought a hot war over that border.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yeah but Israel has a basic need to threaten faraway countries.

  67. … do not bring your small children to the Lieber house for Halloween because that pumpkin will likely eat them.

    Weaponised pumpkins indeed!

  68. @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

    I’d say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Proof that you don’t need to be a Vice President’s son or President’s daughter to get a sweet deal. Ain’t America grand?

  69. @Unladen Swallow
    Just read a bunch articles about this online, apparently he was confronted by Harvard about his connection with the Chinese university back in 2015. He admitted the collaboration but didn't disclose he was getting paid by them, he also claimed they were using the Harvard name and logo without his permission.

    I only saw this mentioned in article in C&EN, an industry publication for chemists and chemical engineers, however it appears in 2017 Harvard promoted him to University Professor anyway which is the highest rank on the Harvard faculty. If they confronted him about something fishy in 2015, why did they give him in effect a promotion two years later?

    Replies: @bomag

    If they confronted him about something fishy in 2015, why did they give him in effect a promotion two years later?

    I’d guess the confronting group and the promotion group are two separate entities that have the usual conflict and disdain.

    Don’t expect academic bureaucracy to have much integrity; otherwise, they’d cut 80% of the positions.

  70. The NPR report says Lieber established a nanoscience research lab at the Wuhan university without the knowledge of Harvard University and then lied about having done it. It says he was under contract with the Wuhan university for several “significant” periods of time between 2012 and 2017. The fact that he was paid to establish and ‘manage’ the lab is probably irrelevant. But where does the spying come in? Or is there any suggestion of spying?

    The man might well have had knowledge of American biological research efforts since the article claims he was involved in projects funded by the US military, but no claims are made nor evidence presented that he transferred any of that knowledge to anyone. And it seems from the media reports that the activities in Wuhan were unrelated to anything occuring in the US.

    It seems from the facts that a Chinese university made an agreement with a highly-skilled American university professor to help them establish a new research department. I don’t know why Harvard would object to that, nor why the man would have been arrested. It seems that because Lieber was working on projects funded by the US Defense Department he had an obligation to report “financial conflicts of interest” that would involve foreign entities such as the Wuhan University.

    The NPR article says, “The charges brought by the U.S. government against Professor Lieber are extremely serious. . .”, but it doesn’t specify what are those charges, other than having made “false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to the U.S. Defense Department”.

    From the facts available, I can’t see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only “crime” was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Ayatollah Smith


    From the facts available, I can’t see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only “crime” was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.
     
    He probably didn't have access to classified information (I don't believe it's common for University Professors to have security clearances). However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.

    It would be interesting to know how Harvard and the Feds became aware of Professor Lieber's dealings. A tip perhaps? Like from an academic rival or a disgruntled grad student?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I have filled out more than a few DoD forms to apply for various clearances, and each time I was advised, "Don't lie." Being a poofter is no longer a disqualification, but being a pot head still is.

  71. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    Lieber is not necessarily a name associated with Jewishness.

    It may be that he filled out a form incorrectly or did not fill out a form. Maria Butina, the Russian who with Putin conspired not to take our guns away, was convicted of not getting some form filled out, which probably she did not need to get filled out.

    Wen Ho Lee: Judge Parker apologized to Dr. Lee for the unfair manner in which he was treated. The judge also regretted being misled by the executive branch into ordering Dr. Lee’s detention,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment,_imprisonment_and_release

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @George

    Ach du lieber!

  72. Lieber? say no (((more))).

  73. @Anonymous
    In related news, it's not quite "Asteroid Slams Into Earth, Women and Minorities Hardest Hit", but it's getting there. From Canada's newspaper of record:

    Fear over coronavirus prompts school board in Ontario to warn parents about racism against Chinese community

    Really hard-hitting reporting from one of the Globe's resident SJW brown lady-writers.

    More than 8,000 people were calling for school boards in the region north of Toronto – a region in which the top reported ethnic origin is Chinese – to not allow students whose family members had travelled to China within 17 days to come to school.

    On Monday, the York board released a note to parents to address another virus: anti-Chinese xenophobia.

    “We are aware of an escalated level of concern and anxiety among families of Chinese heritage,” wrote Juanita Nathan, the board’s chair, and Louise Sirisko, its education director. "Individuals who make assumptions, even with positive intentions of safety, about the risk of others, request or demand quarantine can be seen as demonstrating bias and racism.”
     
    So in other words, if you question our job performance, you are racist. I'm surprised somebody hasn't thought of this before.

    Many, if not most, of the parents worried about their children getting sick are ethnic Chinese themselves if you bother to look at the petition. In fact, the diversity of names really is admirable. You see Chinese, Iranians, Indians and Jews coming together to be racist. Against Chinese. In fact, one unmentioned issue is that York Region's school board, like others in Canada, acts as an unofficial private school, educating Chinese students sent by their parents for ~$20 000 per year. Many of these were probably home during the recent holidays. Oh well, lets talk about feelings.

    Avvy Go felt a tickle in her throat on the subway ride to work Monday, but willed herself to suppress the cough. She feared coughing on public transit as a Chinese woman might make her a pariah as it did for so many other Asian-Canadians during the SARS outbreak.
     
    I wonder if Ms. Go has any particular interest/axe to grind regarding anti-Chinese sentiment, real or imagined?

    Ms. Go, the director of the Metro Toronto Chinese & Southeast Asian Legal Clinic...
     
    Yup

    ...detailed the myriad ways SARS affected her clients: Many suffered job losses after Chinese restaurants saw a steep drop in business; Asian claimants who appeared before the Immigration and Refugee Board faced staff wearing masks; and tenants reported being threatened with eviction by their landlords because they were Chinese.

    Ms. Go shared much of this when she testified at Ontario’s public hearings on the SARS crisis but she was disappointed to find nothing about racism in the inquiry’s 2007 report.
     
    Maybe objective observers couldn't find any.

    Recommendations on how to respond to racist rhetoric would have been helpful for future outbreaks such as this one, she said.
     
    They probably would have been helpful for her bank account.

    “As they prepare for the virus, they [should] also prepare for the virus of racism and have everything in place at the same time,” she said.
     
    A human-rights grifter can't afford to let an opportunity like this go to waste. I wonder how she feels about quarantines for people who have the dreaded racism bug?

    When Toronto Chinatown Business Improvement Area chair Tonny Louie addressed the crowd at Saturday’s Lunar New Year parade, he felt the need to explain his sore throat.

    “I reminded everybody there that I do not have the virus. I just happen to have a cold,” he said.
     
    If there's one event that you can count on to attract large numbers of Sinophobes during January in Canada, it's a Chinese New Year parade.

    The next day, he noticed a drop in business throughout downtown Toronto’s Chinatown and its dozens of restaurants – something he blames on fears about the virus.
     
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the reason people didn't go to Chinese restaurants the Sunday after a big Chinese New Year party is that they were still full of Chinese food from the previous day.

    He repeated the message that the district was safe, as was the food, and called on politicians to have meals in Chinese restaurants as then-prime minister Jean Chrétien did during the 2003 SARS outbreak to signal to Canadians that doing so was safe.
     
    Imagine that. The chair of the Toronto Chinatown Business Improvement Area wants prominent politicians to eat at restaurants in Chinatown. If Justin Trudeau doesn't make an appearance tomorrow and eat dumplings, a mob will torch every building on Spadina Avenue between Queen and College. Oddly enough, I haven't read an obligatory Head Tax reference.

    Government policy that disenfranchised Chinese people, such as the head tax (an immigration tax imposed on Chinese arrivals), “fed into these tropes of this disgusting, uncivilized cultural grouping,” he said.
     
    There it is. Fun fact: If you were born the year the Head Tax was abandoned(and you're still alive) you will turn 97 this year. If you were born when being being an ethnic Chinese last made any difference in your immigration application, you're in your late fifties. So you can see why our crack journo Ms. Bascaramurty feels this is relevant.

    On a personal note, I was actually a teenager in the Toronto suburbs during the SARS outbreak. I can't recall any racism towards Chinese people, or hearing about any(the media was a lot less hungry for such stories in 2003). My main memory was finally bedding the Chinese classmate I'd been pursuing for months.

    And then there was a huge concert in Downsview Park.

    Replies: @bomag

    A human-rights grifter can’t afford to let an opportunity like this go to waste.

    Yes.

    And the hate-hoax arc suggests they won’t be above manufacturing opportunities to keep the vigorish flowing.

  74. @Jack Roon
    BSL-4 lab in Wuhan.

    https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for that link, Jack. That sure could explain the origins of this virus being in Wuhan.

  75. For God’s sake, don’t mention this to Mickey Kaus or he’ll figure out an Epstein murder connection.

  76. @Reg Cæsar
    @the one they call Desanex

    Wuhan University of Technology = A leeching snout, unworthy of ivy.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @The Last Real Calvinist

    outstanding!

  77. @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Academics are always desperate for funding and will accept them from anyone and anywhere. It's not a Jewish thing.

    Lieber's association with Wuhan was public and not hidden. This is obviously political, especially considering the timing. The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities and then claiming it indicates various nefarious, deliberate motives and actions. It looks like they're making an example of him as a warning to academics against collaborating with China.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Alice, @Anon

    yes, because you’re still a collaborating traitor when it’s done publicly, and especially if the stuff you’ve given them is national security bio secrets.

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn’t believe in borders, didn’t believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn’t even understand the LANL mission.

    The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you’ve been one. You never see what you did was wrong.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alice

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn’t believe in borders, didn’t believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn’t even understand the LANL mission.

    I have never worked at LANL, but have worked with LANL personnel. Can confirm all of this.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Alice

    "The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you’ve been one. You never see what you did was wrong."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGGZhyUFf8E

  78. @PiltdownMan
    @Mr McKenna


    Now can you please tell us why India needs 5000-km missiles?
    I mean, I understand why Israel does, but why India?
     
    Why does Israel need 5000-km missiles? I don't know, the West Bank is barely 35 miles across.

    On the other hand, it is about 5,000 kilometers from India's principal rocket launch site to China's PLA Rocket Force ICBM base in China's northeast. They have a border dispute over a 2000 mile border with China claiming one of India's states as its own. And India and China have fought a hot war over that border.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Why does Israel need 5000 km missiles?”

    Duh, to threaten and blackmail the goyim with. How else do you think Their Greatest Ally Evah is going to stay on the reservation? By virtue of actual merit points? Do you really think that anybody on earth would ever voluntarily be friends with these people, if there weren’t some sort of weapon pointed at them?

    Imagine being so naturally, inherently repulsive and despicable that you have to literally arm-twist foreign governments to forcibly pass laws making it illegal to hate you.

    Think of that. Proof, pudding, etc.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    This week is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, where over one million Jews were murdered. Could Auschwitz exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel?

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @JMcG

  79. The sequencing and comparison of the coronavirus have shown no connection to the MERs stocks that people suggested were smuggled out of the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (That inexplicably allowed a mainland Chinese researcher to fill her entire lab with fellow mainland Chinese) that had the research stolen (Not sure if there is any evidence they managed to smuggle stocks out) for use at the similar Wuhan Institute of Virology lab in Wuhan that is alleged to operate research for Chinese bioweapons programmes. It looks like a bat virus like the Chinese said.

    Given the low lethality and lack of serious symptoms among military-aged people, it doesn’t strike me as being particularly likely to have been a bioweapon that escaped. It looks and acts like what the Chinese claim it to be.

    Maybe it was a virus they had isolated from wild bats that they were researching in the lab and it escaped? But then China is the home of these events because it already houses all the necessary risk factors, which is, incidentally, why they’d be so interested in researching coronaviruses there for public health reasons like they claim. Hopefully this leads to a crackdown on the consumption of wild animals and the unsanitary conditions at wet markets. We’ve been playing Russian roulette with this stuff in China for too long when there was absolutely no excuse for it.

    Maybe the timing is a coincidence or maybe the conspiracy theory and the incident last year that inspired it threw up more attention to US researchers with a connection to Wuhan? I mean, he wasn’t doing anything stealthy, if somebody wanted to look up what he’d told the NIH to see if it was true they’d find it all out in the public.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Altai

    It's likely that the Chinese are in fact studying a lethal bat-borne virus, because we have been for over 50 years. However, that virus, known as the Marburg virus, causes a hemorrhagic fever like Ebola, and is not a coronavirus.

    Viral pneumonia is not uncommon in China -- I contracted it there in the late 90s. There are frequent scares there, so I'm guessing that the government ignored the warnings until there was a pretty serious outbreak. Maybe the doctors made a big fuss, or maybe social media scared them into action.

    Whatever the case, it's much, much more likely that the virus is homegrown in one of the traditional farms where animals swim, wallow and feed in each others' excrement before being dismembered in public on the street in a crowded city than it is some product of a sophisticated lab.

    Replies: @Altai

  80. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Academics are always desperate for funding and will accept them from anyone and anywhere. It's not a Jewish thing.

    Lieber's association with Wuhan was public and not hidden. This is obviously political, especially considering the timing. The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities and then claiming it indicates various nefarious, deliberate motives and actions. It looks like they're making an example of him as a warning to academics against collaborating with China.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Alice, @Anon

    I agree. It’s 100% political. I feel sorry for the guy. If Deep State wants to make an example of you it can and will no matter who you are.

    Apparently the basis for arrest charge (18 U.S. Code Section 1001) [link below] is for not disclosing the extent of his foreign connections on a 2009 security clearance form and interview. Anyone who has filled out the security clearance form (SF-86 EQIP) knows how confusing it is with no space/way to provide clarifying information. And then the interview is often informal with a bunch of perfunctory and specific questions not germane to the issue Lieber was involved in. So, essentially Lieber’s problem was not having diarrhea of the mouth and providing intricate detail to his activities in China. And not cutting all ties to China prior to the U.S. starting its current covert war against China.

    https://www.scribd.com/document/444622489/Read-the-indictment-against-Charles-Lieber#from_embed?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=126006X1587340X830c492bb0810a7c7811c0e3c6520702&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

  81. @Ayatollah Smith
    The NPR report says Lieber established a nanoscience research lab at the Wuhan university without the knowledge of Harvard University and then lied about having done it. It says he was under contract with the Wuhan university for several "significant" periods of time between 2012 and 2017. The fact that he was paid to establish and 'manage' the lab is probably irrelevant. But where does the spying come in? Or is there any suggestion of spying?

    The man might well have had knowledge of American biological research efforts since the article claims he was involved in projects funded by the US military, but no claims are made nor evidence presented that he transferred any of that knowledge to anyone. And it seems from the media reports that the activities in Wuhan were unrelated to anything occuring in the US.

    It seems from the facts that a Chinese university made an agreement with a highly-skilled American university professor to help them establish a new research department. I don't know why Harvard would object to that, nor why the man would have been arrested. It seems that because Lieber was working on projects funded by the US Defense Department he had an obligation to report "financial conflicts of interest" that would involve foreign entities such as the Wuhan University.

    The NPR article says, "The charges brought by the U.S. government against Professor Lieber are extremely serious. . .", but it doesn't specify what are those charges, other than having made "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the U.S. Defense Department".

    From the facts available, I can't see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only "crime" was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jim Don Bob

    From the facts available, I can’t see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only “crime” was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.

    He probably didn’t have access to classified information (I don’t believe it’s common for University Professors to have security clearances). However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.

    It would be interesting to know how Harvard and the Feds became aware of Professor Lieber’s dealings. A tip perhaps? Like from an academic rival or a disgruntled grad student?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.
     
    DoD really, really hates it when you are dishonest about your foreign ties. Even more so when you lie and take DoD money.

    In a sane country, DoD would have already turned Lieber into a charcoal briquette.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  82. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:

    I blame Tucker Carlson for starting this hot covert war against China. It’s pretty apparent who the architects of all wars plan to use as the proxy warriors in the this war against China.

    Remembering the Muslims murdered at Auschwitz

    The Times of Israel
    Jan. 26, 2020

    Their names and numbers were Ismail (R9954) and Nasreddin (R9955), Mohammed (R9959) and Hassan (R9965). They were Soviet prisoners of war, captured on the eastern front.

    In late February and early March 1942, they and several dozen other Muslims joined the thousands upon thousands of Abrahams and Sarahs, Isaacs and Rebeccas, Jacobs and Rachels, who together made up the 1.1 million men, women and children killed at the vast complex of Nazi concentration, labor, and extermination camps in rural Poland known as “Auschwitz.”…

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/remembering-the-muslims-murdered-at-auschwitz/

    Hmmm.

    In China, every day is Kristallnacht

    The Washington Post
    By Fred Hiatt
    November 3, 2019

    In China, every day is Kristallnacht.

    Eighty-one years ago this week, in what is also known as the “Night of Broken Glass,” hundreds of synagogues and Jewish cemeteries in Nazi Germany were damaged or destroyed, along with thousands of Jewish-owned businesses. It was in a sense the starting gun for the genocide that culminated in the extermination camps of Auschwitz…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/03/china-every-day-is-kristallnacht/?arc404=true

    A Crackdown on Islam Is Spreading Across China

    The New York Times
    By Steven Lee Myers
    Published Sept. 21, 2019

    Threats of an Anti-Muslim Holocaust

    China Wants the World to Stay Silent on Muslim Camps. It’s Succeeding.

    The New York Times
    JANE PERLEZ
    September 26, 2019

    https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20190926/china-xinjiang-muslim-camps/en-us/

    Allahu ahkbar yellow man!

    But maybe it’s not really about China but all about Eretz Israel?

    China might take Iran’s side in a war with US

    Beijing’s ties with Tehran are crucial to its energy and geopolitical strategies…

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/01/article/could-china-take-irans-side-in-a-war-with-us/

    Nice little economy you got there China, shame if you a little 2019-nCoV were to grind to a halt most transportation through a central hub of Wuhan and to and from your country.

  83. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    I think his dual loyalty doesn’t involve the US.

  84. @Altai
    The sequencing and comparison of the coronavirus have shown no connection to the MERs stocks that people suggested were smuggled out of the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (That inexplicably allowed a mainland Chinese researcher to fill her entire lab with fellow mainland Chinese) that had the research stolen (Not sure if there is any evidence they managed to smuggle stocks out) for use at the similar Wuhan Institute of Virology lab in Wuhan that is alleged to operate research for Chinese bioweapons programmes. It looks like a bat virus like the Chinese said.

    Given the low lethality and lack of serious symptoms among military-aged people, it doesn't strike me as being particularly likely to have been a bioweapon that escaped. It looks and acts like what the Chinese claim it to be.

    Maybe it was a virus they had isolated from wild bats that they were researching in the lab and it escaped? But then China is the home of these events because it already houses all the necessary risk factors, which is, incidentally, why they'd be so interested in researching coronaviruses there for public health reasons like they claim. Hopefully this leads to a crackdown on the consumption of wild animals and the unsanitary conditions at wet markets. We've been playing Russian roulette with this stuff in China for too long when there was absolutely no excuse for it.

    Maybe the timing is a coincidence or maybe the conspiracy theory and the incident last year that inspired it threw up more attention to US researchers with a connection to Wuhan? I mean, he wasn't doing anything stealthy, if somebody wanted to look up what he'd told the NIH to see if it was true they'd find it all out in the public.

    Replies: @Bill P

    It’s likely that the Chinese are in fact studying a lethal bat-borne virus, because we have been for over 50 years. However, that virus, known as the Marburg virus, causes a hemorrhagic fever like Ebola, and is not a coronavirus.

    Viral pneumonia is not uncommon in China — I contracted it there in the late 90s. There are frequent scares there, so I’m guessing that the government ignored the warnings until there was a pretty serious outbreak. Maybe the doctors made a big fuss, or maybe social media scared them into action.

    Whatever the case, it’s much, much more likely that the virus is homegrown in one of the traditional farms where animals swim, wallow and feed in each others’ excrement before being dismembered in public on the street in a crowded city than it is some product of a sophisticated lab.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Bill P

    Given it's a bat virus, more likely to be from bats kept for bat soup. Just crazy that there hasn't been a crackdown on eating wild animals and wet markets before this.

    Replies: @Anon

  85. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    Israel has greatly strengthened educational ties with China, especially when Obama was giving Bibi the cold shoulder. The Technion was heavily touting some big new campus in Shantou

  86. @Bill P
    @Altai

    It's likely that the Chinese are in fact studying a lethal bat-borne virus, because we have been for over 50 years. However, that virus, known as the Marburg virus, causes a hemorrhagic fever like Ebola, and is not a coronavirus.

    Viral pneumonia is not uncommon in China -- I contracted it there in the late 90s. There are frequent scares there, so I'm guessing that the government ignored the warnings until there was a pretty serious outbreak. Maybe the doctors made a big fuss, or maybe social media scared them into action.

    Whatever the case, it's much, much more likely that the virus is homegrown in one of the traditional farms where animals swim, wallow and feed in each others' excrement before being dismembered in public on the street in a crowded city than it is some product of a sophisticated lab.

    Replies: @Altai

    Given it’s a bat virus, more likely to be from bats kept for bat soup. Just crazy that there hasn’t been a crackdown on eating wild animals and wet markets before this.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Altai

    Crazy that the bat soup video thing all over social media and Fox News was filmed in Palau and not China.


    https://twitter.com/CaliCali2000/status/1221303562283520000?s=20
     
    Weird, we’re in a hot covert war with China and the alt-right types are the biggest anti-China proxy warriors that Deep State has.

    Replies: @Altai

  87. @George
    @Dr. Krieger

    Lieber is not necessarily a name associated with Jewishness.

    It may be that he filled out a form incorrectly or did not fill out a form. Maria Butina, the Russian who with Putin conspired not to take our guns away, was convicted of not getting some form filled out, which probably she did not need to get filled out.

    Wen Ho Lee: Judge Parker apologized to Dr. Lee for the unfair manner in which he was treated. The judge also regretted being misled by the executive branch into ordering Dr. Lee's detention,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee#Indictment,_imprisonment_and_release

    Replies: @Ozymandias

    Ach du lieber!

  88. @Whiskey
    Somewhere OT McConnell does not have enough votes to block witnesses. LA Senator reportedly wants witnesses, a state Trump carried by 20 points but elected a Dem Gov. Who wants gun bans.

    Deep state is panicking Reps. Bolton and such will testify at the last minute and Trump will be convicted and removed.

    It does not matter how many supporters he has among deplorable. Only how much in the Senate where it is none. They'd all happily be defeated to go join a corporate board like Ryan.

    On topic, Chinas wet markets have long been fingered as pandemic breeders like African bush meat of primates and bats two pandemic reservoirs. Xi can't even close them permanently. It's so ingrained despite the dangers.

    Replies: @Prester John

    It would require a Nixonian-type disaster for the Republican majority to turn turtle. Still, stranger things have happened. I still think The Don will walk but would never put money on it.

  89. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    @Bill P

    Given it's a bat virus, more likely to be from bats kept for bat soup. Just crazy that there hasn't been a crackdown on eating wild animals and wet markets before this.

    Replies: @Anon

    Crazy that the bat soup video thing all over social media and Fox News was filmed in Palau and not China.

    https://twitter.com/CaliCali2000/status/1221303562283520000?s=20

    Weird, we’re in a hot covert war with China and the alt-right types are the biggest anti-China proxy warriors that Deep State has.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Anon

    Then via another vector way if bat soup isn't very common in China. People catch diseases from bats way more frequently than people think, they're usually not very infectious and just make the individual sick.

    https://www.livescience.com/26898-bats-host-human-infecting-viruses.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1539106/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4979447/
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-39333-4_3

    And so on...

    Replies: @Anonymous

  90. Overlooked for a Nobel, hmmmmm? Allow me to warn that on Hawaii 5-0 the renowned scientist called in to help solve or prevent a crime is always the resentment-driven mastermind of the crime.

  91. @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

    He should see if Mayo Pete and Chasten could adopt him so he can get that sweet $50k/mnth for shady dealings immunity.

    • LOL: Rob
  92. Anon[597] • Disclaimer says:

    Somewhat OT: Someone posted online the medical histories of those who died in China from coronavirus, and almost all of them had diabetes. Although nothing about what type of diabetes was specified, this was almost certainly poorly-controlled type 2.

    In other words, coronavirus wouldn’t be anywhere near as lethal in China if it had been a less successful and had more poor people. China 20 years ago wouldn’t have had as many deaths.

    Something a lot of people don’t know is: Poorly-controlled type 2 diabetes suppresses your immune system. There’s a whole host of scientific papers explaining why which I won’t quote here, but basically, what most people need to do to survive the coronavirus epidemic is simply this:

    1) Quit eating sugary foods if coronavirus appears in your country (fruit excepted). Cut out desserts, soda, candy, and 900-calorie Starbucks drinks.

    2) Do a daily walk.

    Those 2 simple steps alone will boost your immune system and save your butt during the epidemic.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Anon

    Hu! - Your analysis and advice sound incredibly reasonable and doable = might not be publicized that much because of the lack of drama (or even for annihilating the dramatical tension, our public sphere dwells on so intensely day in day out/ 24/7/52).

    (Couldn't you use a handle, that would make your posts identifiable?)

  93. Maybe all this nano-technology is an important aspect of Professor Lieber’s research:

    Brain Science

    The Lieber group has a large program focused on a conceptually novel approach for integrating electronics within the brain and other areas of the nervous system, which involves the development of neural network-like mesh electronics and a noninvasive delivery method into targeted distinct brain regions via syringe-injection. We are actively exploiting this new paradigm for tackling fundamental questions in cognitive and behavioral neuroscience, and as a powerful new approach for treatment of neurological and neurodegenerative diseases, traumatic brain and spinal cord injury, and ultimately enhancing human performance via brain-machine interface.

    Interesting group of colleagues and co-authors for just 4 of many scientific papers:

    A. Zhang, Y. Zhao, S. You and C.M. Lieber, “Nanowire probes could drive high-resolution brain-machine interfaces,” Nano Today 9 Dec 2019.

    Y. Zhao, S. You, A. Zhang, J.-H. Lee, J.L. Huang and C.M. Lieber, “Scalable ultrasmall three-dimensional nanowire transistor probes for intracellular recording,” Nat. Nanotechnol. (2019).

    R.D. Viveros, T. Zhou, G. Hong, T.-M. Fu, H.Y.G. Lin and C.M. Lieber, “Advanced one- and two-dimensional mesh designs for injectable electronics,” Nano Letters. (2019).

    X. Yang, T. Zhou, T.J. Zwang, G. Hong, Y. Zhao, R.D. Viveros, T.-M. Fu, T. Gao and C.M. Lieber, “Bioinspired neuron-like electronics,” Nat. Mater. (2019).

    https://cml.harvard.edu/

  94. Judging by his surname and position I’m betting there was malice aforethought.

  95. For highly charged topics such as IQ, many people will continue to urge that studying population differences does more harm than good. But what happens if findings from European samples about cognitive-related traits such as depression, autism, or schizophrenia lead to more effective treatments for Europeans but not for other populations?

    I know a mathematician who works for big pharma and he says they do differentiate routinely when developing new medicine with regard to race.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Dieter Kief

    It has to do with well-known average differences in drug metabolism. What might reliably be assumed to be an ineffective dose in one population might be just right for another or an overdose in yet another. Obviously individuals within populations can also differ and using an assumed average dose tends not to work for everyone.

    Huge amounts of drug treatments are ineffective for partly this reason. With the medical genomics revolution, there is a lot of buzz around using pharmacogenetics to give each patient a more optimum dose of their drug treatment. Compounding stations might be making a more modern comeback.

    But at a large-scale level it has long been noted that Indo-Europeans, Sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians do noticeably differ in drug metabolism, causing issues with the doses in tablets that are often unintentionally designed with European or American populations in mind.

  96. @Dr. Krieger
    Wow. When I hear a name like Lieber, I expect dual loyalty, but not to China.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Father O'Hara, @George, @JMcG, @Known Fact, @Not Raul

    Not a surprise. Pollard helped China, too.

  97. @Bill P
    Head of Harvard chemistry dept.?

    That's a pretty high-profile arrest. The Chinese call this "killing a chicken to scare the monkeys."

    There's no way Lieber is the only guy doing this, so the feds are sending a strong message to the thousands of other traitor academics out there who are profiting from tech transfer to Beijing.

    A little late in the game, but it's a start...

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    Actually, “killing the chicken to scare the monkey” means making an example of a lower rank person in order to show the higher ups you mean business.

    A man invested a lot of money and time teaching a monkey to dance. But one day the monkey stopped dancing. Nothing the man could say or do would make the monkey resume dancing.

    So the man bought a chicken and told it to dance. When it didn’t, the man chopped its head off and ate it.

    The monkey got the message and started dancing again.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Paul Mendez

    I still like the idea of Lieber as a sacrificial chicken.

    Chinese idioms are great, and a good way to learn the language and culture.

  98. This case is just one of the early ones. This article talks about a case in Florida (Florida Man, lol). Evidently there are 180 cases being investigated.

    https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/01/02/links-china-prompt-purge-moffitt-cancer-center/id=117511/

  99. Obese pumpkins are as attractive as obese people. And leave grotesque mental images that are about as difficult to forget.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J1234


    Obese pumpkins are as attractive as obese people. And leave grotesque mental images that are about as difficult to forget.
     
    Their pies give off a nicer aroma, though.
  100. Seems Mister Lieber did have a few Chinese cuties among his almost entirely Chinese graduate students.

    https://archive.is/cMlwq

    And his entirely Chinese post-docs (click the links in above) and massively Chinese former group members.

    There’s even a lovely little video tribute to the MANY MANY MANY Chinese whom Lieber has aided and abetted, along with Harvard. Why are we using our very best academic resources to train citizens of an enemy state? Because Harvard is a hot bed of seditious bastards and should be burnt to the ground, that’s why.

    https://www.bilibili.com/video/av49491754/

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @peterike


    Because Harvard is a hot bed of seditious bastards and should be burnt to the ground, that’s why.
     
    What would Lt. Ellen Ripley do?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnHmUk_J6xQ
    , @Kibernetika
    @peterike

    Sadly, the issue of powerful academics leveraging reputation for... cough, favors isn't uncommon. And a bunch of dirtbags have done it (and continue to do it, but it's not anywhere near as prevalent as it was 20 years ago).

    The thing to note is that certain PIs and labs hire foreign nationals nearly exclusively. Miraculously the hires are from the home country. Much of it's on the up-and-up. Experts bringing in uniquely qualified experts, they say.

    So the defense says that these are the only qualified folks willing to take the positions, as American-born kids are only interested in gender studies and the like.

    Prosecution says that it's odd to find major labs in the US, often funded by the Feds, having a conga line of the PI's foreign co-nationals being hired to join the lab, learn the stuff and then go home. At the least it's ethnic nepotism at the expense of the locals.

  101. What’s the point of growing such a huge pumpkin? Can you eat it? If you cannot, then it’s a waste of time and water.

    OTOH, Bob Dylan believes in fences:

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/bob-dylans-first-public-artwork-unveiled-maryland-638810

    “Gates appeal to me because of the negative space they allow,” Dylan said in a statement. “They can be closed, but at the same time they allow the seasons and breezes to enter and flow. They can shut you out or shut you in. And in some ways, there is no difference.”

    Well, if there is no difference then I say, build that wall.

  102. “The monkey got the message and started dancing again.”

    Or not.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Joe Stalin

    OMG! How could you link to that! It was otter mayhem! On the other hand, it made my day. Thanks.

  103. @Dieter Kief

    For highly charged topics such as IQ, many people will continue to urge that studying population differences does more harm than good. But what happens if findings from European samples about cognitive-related traits such as depression, autism, or schizophrenia lead to more effective treatments for Europeans but not for other populations?
     
    I know a mathematician who works for big pharma and he says they do differentiate routinely when developing new medicine with regard to race.

    Replies: @Altai

    It has to do with well-known average differences in drug metabolism. What might reliably be assumed to be an ineffective dose in one population might be just right for another or an overdose in yet another. Obviously individuals within populations can also differ and using an assumed average dose tends not to work for everyone.

    Huge amounts of drug treatments are ineffective for partly this reason. With the medical genomics revolution, there is a lot of buzz around using pharmacogenetics to give each patient a more optimum dose of their drug treatment. Compounding stations might be making a more modern comeback.

    But at a large-scale level it has long been noted that Indo-Europeans, Sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians do noticeably differ in drug metabolism, causing issues with the doses in tablets that are often unintentionally designed with European or American populations in mind.

  104. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting comment on another thread from someone who read the indictment:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-bioerror/#comment-3686577

    Lieber’s wife, Jennifer L. Karas, does biopharm work related to virology. She might be swept up next in this new covert hot war with China.

    Reading through the indictment I saw that the charge was 18 U.S. Code section 1001 for lying to DoD investigators. Kind of startling. To put it simply, in 2009 Lieber did not list on his SF-86 form (application for a security clearance) the extent of his China contacts, activities, and financial compensation. Nb: the form doesn’t provide space for such elaboration so the applicant will divulge all this at the interview. The interview is mechanical and the investigators will just perfunctorily ask a laundry list of irrelevant questions. Lieber made the mistake of simply answering what was asked rather than providing all kinds of unsolicited information, even minute details, regarding all of personal, professional, financial, etc., relationships with China.

    Then again, I’m not sure it would’ve mattered. Lieber was targeted by Deep State to be used to send a message. Sucks for him. Given the charge and details, it’s clear they had their man first and then found the crime after much digging. To get details and documents of a 2009 investigation is not any easy task.

  105. @Anon
    @Altai

    Crazy that the bat soup video thing all over social media and Fox News was filmed in Palau and not China.


    https://twitter.com/CaliCali2000/status/1221303562283520000?s=20
     
    Weird, we’re in a hot covert war with China and the alt-right types are the biggest anti-China proxy warriors that Deep State has.

    Replies: @Altai

    Then via another vector way if bat soup isn’t very common in China. People catch diseases from bats way more frequently than people think, they’re usually not very infectious and just make the individual sick.

    https://www.livescience.com/26898-bats-host-human-infecting-viruses.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1539106/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4979447/
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-39333-4_3

    And so on…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Altai

    It's just Bat-Soup insane.

  106. @Altai
    @Anon

    Then via another vector way if bat soup isn't very common in China. People catch diseases from bats way more frequently than people think, they're usually not very infectious and just make the individual sick.

    https://www.livescience.com/26898-bats-host-human-infecting-viruses.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1539106/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4979447/
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-39333-4_3

    And so on...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s just Bat-Soup insane.

  107. What the hell? Was everybody stealing or working on this virus? Why?

  108. anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alice
    @Anonymous

    yes, because you're still a collaborating traitor when it's done publicly, and especially if the stuff you've given them is national security bio secrets.

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn't believe in borders, didn't believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn't even understand the LANL mission.

    The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you've been one. You never see what you did was wrong.

    Replies: @anon, @Joe Stalin

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn’t believe in borders, didn’t believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn’t even understand the LANL mission.

    I have never worked at LANL, but have worked with LANL personnel. Can confirm all of this.

  109. @Alice
    @Anonymous

    yes, because you're still a collaborating traitor when it's done publicly, and especially if the stuff you've given them is national security bio secrets.

    I worked at LANL as a student around the Wen Ho Li disaster. Nearly every US scientist there was a reflexive lefty, even if they saw themselves as nonpolitical. they were people who didn't believe in borders, didn't believe in nations. they thought the cold war was over and was overblown, snd they didn't even understand the LANL mission.

    The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you've been one. You never see what you did was wrong.

    Replies: @anon, @Joe Stalin

    “The story of espionage is how easy it is to be a traitor and never believe you’ve been one. You never see what you did was wrong.”

  110. @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad

    The data in these studies of caste in India are likely not much use, because India has over a thousand endogamous "sub" caste groups, while the studies are of broad "caste" differences. As Mr. Sailer pointed out in a post about an Indian marriage site, someone like Sundar Pichai, a South Indian brahmin, belongs to one of about half-a-dozen sub-sub castes. Measurements that span dozens or over a hundred subcastes over an area the size of Western Europe, of groups that likely haven't intermarried for a millenium because of marriage taboos, are likely not much use.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Thank you. As is obvious to any fool, these IQ statistics are whatever their makers want them to be.

    And the idiots on here who think they understand India are beneath contempt.

  111. A Chinese sneezed in my vicinity without covering his stupid mouth at the mall one time and I got deathly sick. Thank you. Immigrants are good.

  112. @Anon
    Somewhat OT: Someone posted online the medical histories of those who died in China from coronavirus, and almost all of them had diabetes. Although nothing about what type of diabetes was specified, this was almost certainly poorly-controlled type 2.

    In other words, coronavirus wouldn't be anywhere near as lethal in China if it had been a less successful and had more poor people. China 20 years ago wouldn't have had as many deaths.

    Something a lot of people don't know is: Poorly-controlled type 2 diabetes suppresses your immune system. There's a whole host of scientific papers explaining why which I won't quote here, but basically, what most people need to do to survive the coronavirus epidemic is simply this:

    1) Quit eating sugary foods if coronavirus appears in your country (fruit excepted). Cut out desserts, soda, candy, and 900-calorie Starbucks drinks.

    2) Do a daily walk.

    Those 2 simple steps alone will boost your immune system and save your butt during the epidemic.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Hu! – Your analysis and advice sound incredibly reasonable and doable = might not be publicized that much because of the lack of drama (or even for annihilating the dramatical tension, our public sphere dwells on so intensely day in day out/ 24/7/52).

    (Couldn’t you use a handle, that would make your posts identifiable?)

  113. Huh, I thought that it was a still from the new Hollywood version of Viz’s Buster Gonad.

  114. @Clyde
    Getting rich is glorious -Deng Xiaoping
    You can feed a lot of Chinamen with his giant pumpkins. Then no need to eat bat soup. This was why the Chicoms paid him the big bucks.

    Actually the pumpkin in our pies is a sweeter, better tasting squash variety, not anything like a Halloween pumpkin,

    Replies: @CJ

    You can feed a lot of Chinamen with his giant pumpkins. Then no need to eat bat soup.

    Bat soup with a pumpkin base. Fried bat with pumpkin spice batter. They’re naturals for Chinese Halloween!

  115. The Pumpkin was pumped up in volume.

  116. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    The virus appears to target Asians:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

    China isolated and sequenced the genome of the virus and made it available to the world in early January, one month after the first reported case in early December. They also developed a diagnostic assay pretty quickly. They might develop an antibody therapy or vaccine relatively quickly as well.

    It’s possible that they were able to do this relatively quickly because of work with researchers like Lieber, lessening the impact of a US biowarfare campaign.

  117. Is Steve trying to suggest that government employees who are not only corrupt (forgivable because inevitable) but also stupid (unforgivable and not inevitable) are hacking away at their own authority by refusing to enforce or respect law? Next thing you’ll ask me to believe that Epstein didn’t kill himself after going around messing up all the surveillance equipment outside the reach of his cell, or that Strzok’s heavily censored e-mail about Seth Rich noting that something had been “squashed” is not about a species of insect Strzok really intensely dislikes. Or that New York City lets “refugees” rape and murder ninety-two-year-old abuelitas after ICE specifically asked for that particular guy, or lets go top drug dealers.
    https://postimg.cc/WDsnY9pF

  118. @Lot
    Now it’s easy for all of us to judge Professors Lieber, but some points that we should keep in mind:

    1. Dr. L didn’t intentionally get into his expensive mega-produce hobby, but over time he found he couldn’t quit.

    2. $1.5 million is a LOT of money. Sure you and I would turn $150 or even $15,000 of Red Chinese money. But $1.5 million? Imagine a stack of 100 $100 bills. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases. Not so easy to say no now, is it?

    3. Godfree Roberts has proved Chinese Government is the most moral, humane, and democratic in the world. I think Dr. L agreed and was just trying to help.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @JohnnyWalker123, @Neoconned

    They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house! I’m not made of stone!

  119. @AnotherDad
    @Rob


    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.
     
    Rec1man's numbers were absolutely laughable. But this number is absolutely ridiculous as well.

    India is a very different place from most places in the world. It really does have a bunch of separate breeding populations. And a couple of them, various Brahmins and Vaishyas (merchants) have made a living being literate and/or numerate for a couple thousand years. Ergo selection not unlike--in kind, probably not in magnitude--the Ashkenazi experienced.

    My guess is that the Brahmins and Vaishya castes that actually were merchants have intelligence more or less akin to white people. And the Dalits are in the ballpark of American (mixed) blacks--though their mean will test worse because of simple illiteracy.

    But whatever the numbers, there is no way the gap is only 5 points. I'd guess there is a measurable 10 pt gap just from environment alone.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @PiltdownMan, @Rob

    I can buy that vaishyas are smarter than the rest, being a good merchant has clear reproductive payoff in a pre-industrial (or at least pre-feminism and pre-birth control) Malthusian environment. But what the brahmins did was essentially magic, and dumb men cast spells just as well as smart men. Smart craftsmen do better than dumb ones, so I can see them being smarter than other populations. There just is not much evidence that smart priests out-breed dumb ones. There wasn’t even a caste escalator where smart members of lower castes got promoted to Brahmins, or where dumb Brahmins got demoted.

  120. @Joe Stalin
    "The monkey got the message and started dancing again."

    Or not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ss1NqzjxI

    Replies: @Rob

    OMG! How could you link to that! It was otter mayhem! On the other hand, it made my day. Thanks.

  121. @Mr. Anon
    @Ayatollah Smith


    From the facts available, I can’t see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only “crime” was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.
     
    He probably didn't have access to classified information (I don't believe it's common for University Professors to have security clearances). However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.

    It would be interesting to know how Harvard and the Feds became aware of Professor Lieber's dealings. A tip perhaps? Like from an academic rival or a disgruntled grad student?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.

    DoD really, really hates it when you are dishonest about your foreign ties. Even more so when you lie and take DoD money.

    In a sane country, DoD would have already turned Lieber into a charcoal briquette.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Except when those foreign ties are Israeli. Paradoxically the US is becoming increasingly demented about foreigners, spies, subversion etc., all whilst having open borders and with the Israelis running amok.

  122. @peterike
    Seems Mister Lieber did have a few Chinese cuties among his almost entirely Chinese graduate students.

    https://archive.is/cMlwq

    And his entirely Chinese post-docs (click the links in above) and massively Chinese former group members.

    There's even a lovely little video tribute to the MANY MANY MANY Chinese whom Lieber has aided and abetted, along with Harvard. Why are we using our very best academic resources to train citizens of an enemy state? Because Harvard is a hot bed of seditious bastards and should be burnt to the ground, that's why.

    https://www.bilibili.com/video/av49491754/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kibernetika

    Because Harvard is a hot bed of seditious bastards and should be burnt to the ground, that’s why.

    What would Lt. Ellen Ripley do?

  123. @Hibernian
    @Anonymous


    The feds are likely nailing him on some technicalities
     
    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent.

    Lieber’s association with Wuhan was public and not hidden.
     
    How public was it?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent

    If you don’t talk to a federal agent you can’t lie to him. Next time a federal agent wants to talk to you for any reason, tell him to fuck off. I don’t care how clean cut and well mannered he is and how he just wants you to clear some things up so you can exonerate yourself, no big deal. Tell him (politely) to fuck off.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    If you don’t talk to a federal agent you can’t lie to him.


    https://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Boston-T-Party/dp/1888766093

    , @Autochthon
    @Jack D

    https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

    It's amazing how many otherwise intelligent people do not understand this concept. If your child is over, say, twelve and hasn't completely internalised it, you are a shitty parent.

  124. @J1234
    Obese pumpkins are as attractive as obese people. And leave grotesque mental images that are about as difficult to forget.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Obese pumpkins are as attractive as obese people. And leave grotesque mental images that are about as difficult to forget.

    Their pies give off a nicer aroma, though.

  125. @kaganovitch
    @Lot

    I got 8500 banded singles(long story) into a briefcase, which was how I know that 2 would do for 1.5 million.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Visit every strip joint in N America? Enquiring minds want to know.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Jim Don Bob

    Nah, take your mind out of the gutter. It was part of a really elaborate practical joke we were playing on my friend's roommate.

  126. @Ayatollah Smith
    The NPR report says Lieber established a nanoscience research lab at the Wuhan university without the knowledge of Harvard University and then lied about having done it. It says he was under contract with the Wuhan university for several "significant" periods of time between 2012 and 2017. The fact that he was paid to establish and 'manage' the lab is probably irrelevant. But where does the spying come in? Or is there any suggestion of spying?

    The man might well have had knowledge of American biological research efforts since the article claims he was involved in projects funded by the US military, but no claims are made nor evidence presented that he transferred any of that knowledge to anyone. And it seems from the media reports that the activities in Wuhan were unrelated to anything occuring in the US.

    It seems from the facts that a Chinese university made an agreement with a highly-skilled American university professor to help them establish a new research department. I don't know why Harvard would object to that, nor why the man would have been arrested. It seems that because Lieber was working on projects funded by the US Defense Department he had an obligation to report "financial conflicts of interest" that would involve foreign entities such as the Wuhan University.

    The NPR article says, "The charges brought by the U.S. government against Professor Lieber are extremely serious. . .", but it doesn't specify what are those charges, other than having made "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the U.S. Defense Department".

    From the facts available, I can't see that the Wuhan university did anything wrong. It seems the only "crime" was that Lieber kept his foreign activities secret and then lied about them. That would be not only unethical but potentially dangerous if he were revealing classified information, but there is no suggestion he did that.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Jim Don Bob

    I have filled out more than a few DoD forms to apply for various clearances, and each time I was advised, “Don’t lie.” Being a poofter is no longer a disqualification, but being a pot head still is.

  127. I wonder how this will affect Corona beer stock. Is this a viral marketing campaign?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Adolph Oliver Busch

    Searches for "corona beer virus" are spiking. There are already t-shirts out.

    , @anon
    @Adolph Oliver Busch

    Too soon to say. You could ask this girl...

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/718/291/2fb.png

    But you might not want to get too close.

  128. @Jack D
    @Hibernian


    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent
     
    If you don't talk to a federal agent you can't lie to him. Next time a federal agent wants to talk to you for any reason, tell him to fuck off. I don't care how clean cut and well mannered he is and how he just wants you to clear some things up so you can exonerate yourself, no big deal. Tell him (politely) to fuck off.

    Replies: @anon, @Autochthon

    If you don’t talk to a federal agent you can’t lie to him.

  129. @Jim Don Bob
    @kaganovitch

    Visit every strip joint in N America? Enquiring minds want to know.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Nah, take your mind out of the gutter. It was part of a really elaborate practical joke we were playing on my friend’s roommate.

  130. @Adolph Oliver Busch
    I wonder how this will affect Corona beer stock. Is this a viral marketing campaign?

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @anon

    Searches for “corona beer virus” are spiking. There are already t-shirts out.

  131. @Adolph Oliver Busch
    I wonder how this will affect Corona beer stock. Is this a viral marketing campaign?

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @anon

    Too soon to say. You could ask this girl…

    But you might not want to get too close.

  132. @Lot
    Now it’s easy for all of us to judge Professors Lieber, but some points that we should keep in mind:

    1. Dr. L didn’t intentionally get into his expensive mega-produce hobby, but over time he found he couldn’t quit.

    2. $1.5 million is a LOT of money. Sure you and I would turn $150 or even $15,000 of Red Chinese money. But $1.5 million? Imagine a stack of 100 $100 bills. Now imagine a briefcase with 25 such stacks. Now imagine six such briefcases. Not so easy to say no now, is it?

    3. Godfree Roberts has proved Chinese Government is the most moral, humane, and democratic in the world. I think Dr. L agreed and was just trying to help.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @JohnnyWalker123, @Neoconned

    I’m actually quite impressed w Xis China but how are they democratic?

    Or are you just doing a cynical joke?

  133. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    is there a massive bioweapons/espionage fuckup going on
     
    Our (rogue) man in Wuhan?

    “Die!” — Espresso Lieber

    https://images.lookhuman.com/render/standard/BHcxIBjclv2esruJx8LaPAoCL7R6jjlk/mug15oz-whi-z1-t-career-goals-grim-reaper.jpg

    https://www.armynavypx.com/v/vspfiles/photos/RTC-1541-2.jpg

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Is your implication this dude created the coronavirus?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Neoconned


    Is your implication this dude created the coronavirus?
     
    All I’m saying is that his motto, his nickname, and his coffee mug together are pretty suspicious, especially in light of related news, both personal and international. More investigation needed.
  134. @Oscar Peterson
    @Colin Wright

    Boston Herald:


    "Wuhan University of Technology paid Lieber $50,000 a month, approximately $158,000 in living expenses and $1.5 million to establish a research laboratory in exchange for working on behalf of the university for “not less than nine months a year” beginning in 2011, charging documents say.

    Lieber was also contracted with China’s Thousand Talents program, which feds say seeks to reward individuals for stealing proprietary information, between 2012-17, and lied about his ties to China to Harvard in 2018 and 2019."
     
    Well, I guess $50K a month to him personally plus all the other goodies was worth more than $15 million from the US government that had to be spent on research and such.

    This guy thought that he could work for China but that the FBI would never figure it out. Should have stayed in his lab and not tried to scam in the real world. Obviously not his forte.

    Was also awarded the Wolf Prize...for something... in Israel.

    I'd say Lieber perfectly represents America circa 2020.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Hypnotoad666, @The Alarmist, @Desiderius, @Neoconned

    Do you think he may be a mossad asset too?

    Lol triple agent?

  135. @peterike
    Seems Mister Lieber did have a few Chinese cuties among his almost entirely Chinese graduate students.

    https://archive.is/cMlwq

    And his entirely Chinese post-docs (click the links in above) and massively Chinese former group members.

    There's even a lovely little video tribute to the MANY MANY MANY Chinese whom Lieber has aided and abetted, along with Harvard. Why are we using our very best academic resources to train citizens of an enemy state? Because Harvard is a hot bed of seditious bastards and should be burnt to the ground, that's why.

    https://www.bilibili.com/video/av49491754/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Kibernetika

    Sadly, the issue of powerful academics leveraging reputation for… cough, favors isn’t uncommon. And a bunch of dirtbags have done it (and continue to do it, but it’s not anywhere near as prevalent as it was 20 years ago).

    The thing to note is that certain PIs and labs hire foreign nationals nearly exclusively. Miraculously the hires are from the home country. Much of it’s on the up-and-up. Experts bringing in uniquely qualified experts, they say.

    So the defense says that these are the only qualified folks willing to take the positions, as American-born kids are only interested in gender studies and the like.

    Prosecution says that it’s odd to find major labs in the US, often funded by the Feds, having a conga line of the PI’s foreign co-nationals being hired to join the lab, learn the stuff and then go home. At the least it’s ethnic nepotism at the expense of the locals.

  136. “It set the record as the biggest one grown in Massachusetts,” Lieber’s wife, Jennifer, told ABC News. “He would have liked to have broken the 1,900-pound barrier but he’s happy with it.”

    If Lieber is so smart, how come he didn’t think to inject his pumpkin with 460 fl oz of water. There must be enough space in that empty pumpkin to hold at least three gallons. And you could never prove the water was added after the pumpkin stopped growing. The judges would need to inspect every square centimeter of the nearly one ton vegetable for two tiny holes.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @JimB

    Because he’s too honest.

    Replies: @JimB

  137. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @PiltdownMan

    "Why does Israel need 5000 km missiles?"

    Duh, to threaten and blackmail the goyim with. How else do you think Their Greatest Ally Evah is going to stay on the reservation? By virtue of actual merit points? Do you really think that anybody on earth would ever voluntarily be friends with these people, if there weren't some sort of weapon pointed at them?

    Imagine being so naturally, inherently repulsive and despicable that you have to literally arm-twist foreign governments to forcibly pass laws making it illegal to hate you.

    Think of that. Proof, pudding, etc.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This week is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, where over one million Jews were murdered. Could Auschwitz exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel?

    • Replies: @but an humble craftsman
    @Jack D

    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?

    Replies: @donvonburg, @Johann Ricke

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Well Jack, I’d say if they use them, Auschwitz will look like child’s play.

  138. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    This week is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, where over one million Jews were murdered. Could Auschwitz exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel?

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @JMcG

    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?

    • LOL: Autochthon
    • Replies: @donvonburg
    @but an humble craftsman

    The question is who else can exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel, besides another nuclear power, and one with no Jews or CZ-crazed fundamentalist 'Christians' in the launch chain of command at that.

    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm, but it is in a position to demand Israel declare itself a nuclear power and agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to, or face serious sanctions until it does. Obviously that is politically unpalatable in the extreme at this time.

    In the meantime, no one can blame any other player in the Middle East for wanting nuclear weapons. Whether it is a good thing for the US, and the rest of the world, for them to have them is debatable, as is the question of whether they themselves are actually better off to have them. But given the fates of Saddam Hussein and Qhadafi (Khadaffi? Kadaffy Duck? Never did figure that one out) no one can blame them for seeking them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D

    , @Johann Ricke
    @but an humble craftsman


    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?
     
    If you asked the average Jew whether he'd give up Israel in exchange for a world without the Holocaust, I think he reply in the affirmative. Jews were simply not given a choice. Germany and its Axis friends could have let them go, but they chose not to. Europeans could have ended their persecution of Jews after the Holocaust, but they chose not to. So the vast majority left for Israel. The real question going forward is whether the populations of Germany and its Axis allies that played a major part in the Holocaust can be allowed to exist when the Arab hordes finally overrun Israel. Israel should certainly set aside a brace of nukes to keep that Samson option a live one.
  139. @Neoconned
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is your implication this dude created the coronavirus?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Is your implication this dude created the coronavirus?

    All I’m saying is that his motto, his nickname, and his coffee mug together are pretty suspicious, especially in light of related news, both personal and international. More investigation needed.

  140. @Reg Cæsar
    @the one they call Desanex

    Wuhan University of Technology = A leeching snout, unworthy of ivy.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @The Last Real Calvinist

    One of your best, Reg.

  141. @Lot
    https://i.imgur.com/Y6wvDup_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Replies: @JUSA, @Stebbing Heuer

    Very good.

  142. @Paul Mendez
    @Bill P

    Actually, “killing the chicken to scare the monkey” means making an example of a lower rank person in order to show the higher ups you mean business.

    A man invested a lot of money and time teaching a monkey to dance. But one day the monkey stopped dancing. Nothing the man could say or do would make the monkey resume dancing.

    So the man bought a chicken and told it to dance. When it didn’t, the man chopped its head off and ate it.

    The monkey got the message and started dancing again.

    Replies: @Bill P

    I still like the idea of Lieber as a sacrificial chicken.

    Chinese idioms are great, and a good way to learn the language and culture.

  143. For whatever reason, I’ve always thought the English word ‘Bat’ meaning ‘flying mammal’ and not a wooden club, inherently ridiculous.
    Perhaps the incongruity of the creature itself, which the Germans aptly call ‘Fliegemaus’ is ludicrous.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Words are not ridiculous, they just are.

    The German word for bat is Fledermaus - fluttering mouse.

    Bat comes from the Middle English bakke which comes from Old Norse leorblaka ("leather flapper/flutterer") which comes from pro-European bhlag (to strike, from which Latin gets flagellum).

    The t instead of k at the end may have come from confusion of bakke with Latin blatta (moth).

    The key element seems to be fluttering more than flight. In many European languages, the similarity to mice is noted - "bald mouse" in French, "blind mouse" in Spanish, etc.

  144. @but an humble craftsman
    @Jack D

    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?

    Replies: @donvonburg, @Johann Ricke

    The question is who else can exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel, besides another nuclear power, and one with no Jews or CZ-crazed fundamentalist ‘Christians’ in the launch chain of command at that.

    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm, but it is in a position to demand Israel declare itself a nuclear power and agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to, or face serious sanctions until it does. Obviously that is politically unpalatable in the extreme at this time.

    In the meantime, no one can blame any other player in the Middle East for wanting nuclear weapons. Whether it is a good thing for the US, and the rest of the world, for them to have them is debatable, as is the question of whether they themselves are actually better off to have them. But given the fates of Saddam Hussein and Qhadafi (Khadaffi? Kadaffy Duck? Never did figure that one out) no one can blame them for seeking them.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @donvonburg


    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm
     
    Morality doesn't decide power relations. Relative power does. It's not morality that left Islam triumphant over the Christian and Zoroastrian Middle East and North Africa, Buddhist Central Asia, Hindu South Asia or Hindu Southeast Asia. If Islam is ever in the ascendance, it won't be morality that decides its relation to the infidels they dominate. We can't bend them to our will the way they bent other religions to their will in the Middle Ages because the atrocities of that era are no longer considered acceptable. But we can apply economic pressure to the point that their standards of living go in reverse to the point that they remove the leadership that has led them to this juncture.
    , @Jack D
    @donvonburg


    agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to
     
    This is not true. For example, neither France nor China (both nuclear powers) have ever signed the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. What you are asking for is not that Israel be held to the same standards but that it be held to higher standards.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  145. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    However, given that he seems to have had DoD grants, he probably had access to ITAR controlled information, and revealing that to a foreign entity is also illegal.
     
    DoD really, really hates it when you are dishonest about your foreign ties. Even more so when you lie and take DoD money.

    In a sane country, DoD would have already turned Lieber into a charcoal briquette.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Except when those foreign ties are Israeli. Paradoxically the US is becoming increasingly demented about foreigners, spies, subversion etc., all whilst having open borders and with the Israelis running amok.

  146. @but an humble craftsman
    @Jack D

    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?

    Replies: @donvonburg, @Johann Ricke

    Could a nuclear armed Israel exist in a world without Auschwitz?

    If you asked the average Jew whether he’d give up Israel in exchange for a world without the Holocaust, I think he reply in the affirmative. Jews were simply not given a choice. Germany and its Axis friends could have let them go, but they chose not to. Europeans could have ended their persecution of Jews after the Holocaust, but they chose not to. So the vast majority left for Israel. The real question going forward is whether the populations of Germany and its Axis allies that played a major part in the Holocaust can be allowed to exist when the Arab hordes finally overrun Israel. Israel should certainly set aside a brace of nukes to keep that Samson option a live one.

  147. @donvonburg
    @but an humble craftsman

    The question is who else can exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel, besides another nuclear power, and one with no Jews or CZ-crazed fundamentalist 'Christians' in the launch chain of command at that.

    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm, but it is in a position to demand Israel declare itself a nuclear power and agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to, or face serious sanctions until it does. Obviously that is politically unpalatable in the extreme at this time.

    In the meantime, no one can blame any other player in the Middle East for wanting nuclear weapons. Whether it is a good thing for the US, and the rest of the world, for them to have them is debatable, as is the question of whether they themselves are actually better off to have them. But given the fates of Saddam Hussein and Qhadafi (Khadaffi? Kadaffy Duck? Never did figure that one out) no one can blame them for seeking them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D

    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm

    Morality doesn’t decide power relations. Relative power does. It’s not morality that left Islam triumphant over the Christian and Zoroastrian Middle East and North Africa, Buddhist Central Asia, Hindu South Asia or Hindu Southeast Asia. If Islam is ever in the ascendance, it won’t be morality that decides its relation to the infidels they dominate. We can’t bend them to our will the way they bent other religions to their will in the Middle Ages because the atrocities of that era are no longer considered acceptable. But we can apply economic pressure to the point that their standards of living go in reverse to the point that they remove the leadership that has led them to this juncture.

  148. @donvonburg
    @but an humble craftsman

    The question is who else can exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel, besides another nuclear power, and one with no Jews or CZ-crazed fundamentalist 'Christians' in the launch chain of command at that.

    The United States is in no moral position to demand that any nuclear power disarm, but it is in a position to demand Israel declare itself a nuclear power and agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to, or face serious sanctions until it does. Obviously that is politically unpalatable in the extreme at this time.

    In the meantime, no one can blame any other player in the Middle East for wanting nuclear weapons. Whether it is a good thing for the US, and the rest of the world, for them to have them is debatable, as is the question of whether they themselves are actually better off to have them. But given the fates of Saddam Hussein and Qhadafi (Khadaffi? Kadaffy Duck? Never did figure that one out) no one can blame them for seeking them.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Jack D

    agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to

    This is not true. For example, neither France nor China (both nuclear powers) have ever signed the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. What you are asking for is not that Israel be held to the same standards but that it be held to higher standards.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    The NPT is more pertinent than the Test Ban Treaty, which allowed signatories to conduct underground tests, although it banned atmospheric ones.

  149. @Anonymous
    For whatever reason, I've always thought the English word 'Bat' meaning 'flying mammal' and not a wooden club, inherently ridiculous.
    Perhaps the incongruity of the creature itself, which the Germans aptly call 'Fliegemaus' is ludicrous.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Words are not ridiculous, they just are.

    The German word for bat is Fledermaus – fluttering mouse.

    Bat comes from the Middle English bakke which comes from Old Norse leorblaka (“leather flapper/flutterer”) which comes from pro-European bhlag (to strike, from which Latin gets flagellum).

    The t instead of k at the end may have come from confusion of bakke with Latin blatta (moth).

    The key element seems to be fluttering more than flight. In many European languages, the similarity to mice is noted – “bald mouse” in French, “blind mouse” in Spanish, etc.

  150. @JimB

    “It set the record as the biggest one grown in Massachusetts,” Lieber’s wife, Jennifer, told ABC News. “He would have liked to have broken the 1,900-pound barrier but he’s happy with it.”
     
    If Lieber is so smart, how come he didn't think to inject his pumpkin with 460 fl oz of water. There must be enough space in that empty pumpkin to hold at least three gallons. And you could never prove the water was added after the pumpkin stopped growing. The judges would need to inspect every square centimeter of the nearly one ton vegetable for two tiny holes.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Because he’s too honest.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @JMcG


    Because he’s too honest.
     
    (rim shot)
  151. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    This week is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, where over one million Jews were murdered. Could Auschwitz exist in a world with a nuclear armed Israel?

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @JMcG

    Well Jack, I’d say if they use them, Auschwitz will look like child’s play.

  152. @Jack D
    @donvonburg


    agree to the same conditions all other nuclear powers have agreed to
     
    This is not true. For example, neither France nor China (both nuclear powers) have ever signed the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. What you are asking for is not that Israel be held to the same standards but that it be held to higher standards.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The NPT is more pertinent than the Test Ban Treaty, which allowed signatories to conduct underground tests, although it banned atmospheric ones.

  153. @JMcG
    @JimB

    Because he’s too honest.

    Replies: @JimB

    Because he’s too honest.

    (rim shot)

  154. @Jack D
    @Hibernian


    Same technicality as Scooter Libby. Lying to a federal agent
     
    If you don't talk to a federal agent you can't lie to him. Next time a federal agent wants to talk to you for any reason, tell him to fuck off. I don't care how clean cut and well mannered he is and how he just wants you to clear some things up so you can exonerate yourself, no big deal. Tell him (politely) to fuck off.

    Replies: @anon, @Autochthon

    It’s amazing how many otherwise intelligent people do not understand this concept. If your child is over, say, twelve and hasn’t completely internalised it, you are a shitty parent.

  155. Nanoscience is full of a lot of hype scientists and guys with questionable ethics. Very overambitious. Chad Mirkin is a good example.

    Not surprised to see a guy like Lieber doing this. And he knew exactly what he was leaving off the forms and did it on purpose.

  156. @Rob
    Sailer,

    Remember a few years ago you had a post about rec1man’s conjectures about Indian IQs by caste where he had like a 30 or so point gap between Brahmins and Dalits? Well, Richard Lynn has some newer research that shows a 4.7 point gap. Does anyone here have a Mankind Quarterly account to get the whole paper. My guess is that the gap is largely environmental. It just doesn’t take much brains to be an unselected caste.

    http://www.mankindquarterly.org/archive/issue/59-1/8

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Nikk

    I am neither a Brahmin nor a Dalit, but only a 5 point difference between these castes is highly implausible. There are multiple lines of evidence to prove that.

    1. Indian standardized tests JEE and CAT are heavily g-loaded, more so than SATs and ACTs. Here, there has been a persistent one S.D. gap between the Upper Castes (called OC in govt. lingo for Open Category) and Scheduled Castes or SCs (Dalits). The intermediate castes called OBCs fall in between these two groups. Now the Upper Caste category itself is a melange of different castes of which Brahmins are again disproportionately represented. We don’t have details about the performance of each individual caste. But, based on surname analysis of top rankers there would be at least a 2 S.D. difference between the highest performing caste (South Indian Brahmins) and the lowest-performing group (Schedule Tribes).

    2. Brahmins make up around 5 p.c. of the total Indian population. SCs make up 16.6 p.c as per the 2011 census. So having a population thrice the size of Brahmins and only a 5 I.Q. point gap between them should result in the following scenario. There should be at least as many SCs as there are Brahmins in upper echelons of tech, medicine, law, humanities, etc. There should be at least as many SC recipients of Nobel, Fields, Turing, Abel and all other elite scientific prizes. But you have absolutely zero SC representation in the upper tier of scientific achievement. This extends further at national and regional levels too.

    From a long-term viewpoint though, a 5 point difference between the highest and lowest castes is desirable for India as this would mean lesser conflict between various competing castes. But as the overwhelming evidence suggests that is simply not the case at all.

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