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Another day, another New York Times article about the musical Hamilton, which celebrates the life of Alexander Hamilton, Honorary Nonwhite.
‘Hamilton’ Producers Will Change Job Posting, but Not Commitment to Diverse Casting
By MICHAEL PAULSON MARCH 30, 2016The hit musical “Hamilton” has drawn widespread praise for its use of a diverse cast to explore American history. But a casting call seeking “nonwhite men and women” to audition for the show drew criticism from the union representing theater actors, prompting “Hamilton” to say Wednesday that it will amend its language to make clear that anyone is welcome to try out for the show.
Free to waste your time auditioning, but not free to get hired, unless you want to play bad guy King George III.
The dispute is in some ways semantic — audition descriptions of many of the characters in “Hamilton,” as for other Broadway shows, often specify the race, gender and age range of the characters, and that is standard practice in the theater industry. But Actors’ Equity said that auditions should be open to anyone.
At the end of the day, the producers of “Hamilton” said that they would change the posting that had drawn criticism, to make it clear that people of all ethnicities are welcome to audition, but would not back away from the show’s commitment to hire a diverse cast.
In an Orwellian Ministry of Truth-like evolution, “diverse” no longer means:
di·verse
dəˈvərs,dīˈvərs/
adjective
showing a great deal of variety;
“Diverse” now means:
Nonwhite (Asians … we’re not so sure about … we’ll get back to you on the Asian thing)
From the NYT:
In a written statement, the producers said that they “regret the confusion that’s arisen from the recent posting of an open call casting notice for the show” but also that “it is essential to the storytelling of ‘Hamilton’ that the principal roles, which were written for nonwhite characters (excepting King George), be performed by nonwhite actors.”
“‘Hamilton’ depicts the birth of our nation in a singular way,” the show’s lead producer, Jeffrey Seller, said in a statement. “We will continue to cast the show with the same multicultural diversity that we have employed thus far.”
… The use of a diverse cast to explore America’s revolutionary beginnings and its democratic ideals has been an important element in the show’s critical success — in his review last summer, Ben Brantley wrote in The New York Times that “‘Hamilton’ is, among other things, about who owns history, who gets to be in charge of the narrative.”
Like the man said: “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”
Just a few weeks ago, President Obama also called attention to the symbolic import of the show’s casting choices, saying, “With a cast as diverse as America itself, including the outstandingly talented women, the show reminds us that this nation was built by more than just a few great men — and that it is an inheritance that belongs to all of us.”
But the show’s decision to post on its website an open casting call “seeking nonwhite men and women, ages 20s to 30s, for Broadway and upcoming tours” went too far for some. Concern about the job posting was reported Tuesday night by CBS New York, which said that a local lawyer thought the request for “nonwhite” actors was discriminatory.
On Wednesday, a spokeswoman for Actors’ Equity, Maria Somma, said that the casting call was “absolutely inconsistent with Equity’s policy,” and that “we want to encourage that everyone has an equal opportunity to go in and audition for shows.” …
A New York City law bars discrimination based on race in employment advertising…
For some reason, the acclaim for Hamilton reminds me of a recent speech by Hillary:
“If we broke up the big banks tomorrow,” Mrs. Clinton asked the audience of black, white and Hispanic union members, “would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the L.G.B.T. community?,” she said, using an abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. “Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”
At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.
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I don’t think I’ve ever read or heard anything about the narrative like this in public. I know people discuss it on blogs like this. But it is brought up in a negative manner and attributed to the diabolical elite who control it. And those of us discussing the so called narrative are usually dismissed as conspiracy types.
This guy however appears to doing a touchdown dance on the rest of us. He openly acknowledges the narrative and its use in pushing his worldview. I guess we are no longer conspiracy theorists.
wikipedia- Brantley, who is openly gay,[3] is single and lives in New York City.
So the above gay plus post-Hamiltonian, multi-ethnic mashup and pile on will be writing the history books (texts!) in a few decades. Civilization and its Discontents and the discontented are winning the culture wars!
Remember Rick Santorum being pilloried for saying that gay marriage was going to lead to legalized bestiality and incest? Do you have any doubt that he was right? Do you have any doubt that the cultural marxists will cheerfully admit he was right five minutes after NRO editorializes that bestiality is a conservative principle and Muslims "hate us for our incest?"
The left's plots make the transition from obviously false and crazy conspiracy theories to "of course, everyone knows that" once they are pretty much concluded and the left judges them safe from being overturned. That is once status quo bias works for them instead of against them.
Here, Sailer, you should be able to do something with this
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/24/emory-university-students-think-donald-trump-is-out-to-kill-them.html
In practice, Broadway casting is race-neutral except for roles where whites are excluded. For example, Charles Schultz was miffed, IIRC, when a black actor was cast as one of the Peanuts characters on Broadway, but that was explained as race neutral casting.
Another example, when Aida was on Broadway, the title role went to a black actress in the original cast (although the other two leads went to whites), and in subsequent castings Aida was black.
I think the cast of the Lion King might be all black.
But, yeah: I’m not sure how it’s helpful to ban specifying race in the casting calls if they’re not going to hire actors of their disfavored races anyway.
An interesting economic speculation about Hamilton: given that the roles don’t require much in the way of singing, Lin-Manuel Miranda will probably get away with paying them less than most musical actors — maybe scale?
The director tells them, "Hey, it's color-blind casting" and the kid replies, "it's Fiddler on the Roof!" as the camera pans to he and his brother wearing Jewish wigs with forelocks.Replies: @Michelle
Just a few weeks ago, President Obama also called attention to the symbolic import of the show’s casting choices, saying, “With a cast as diverse as America itself…”
In Obama’s shallow, hate-filled mind, a cast that mostly excludes white people is a cast as diverse as America itself.
Broadway, of course, should be perfectly free to cast people of whatever race they want, but only if they leave producers of shows meant to have white casts free to cast white people. There was a big kerfuffle when the producers of The Hobbit asked for extras to be white, so Peter Jackson wound up throwing in a few colored people in the Lake Town scenes in that movie, meant to be set in a (mythological) ancient Britain. Then they insist on filling other shows set in ancient England (“Merlin”) with “diverse” folk, and they even cast a black woman to play an English queen in The Hollow Crown series of Shakespearean plays.
Why?
No one else is entitled to hire on the basis of race.Replies: @Wilkey
“… unless you want to play bad guy King George III….”
Shouldn’t disability rights groups complain?
Under the idea of “diverse” casting, does this mean someone could produce a play about Martin Luther King and cast a bunch of Mexican actors as King and his Coterie?
Does sex even matter? If there was a play about Ceaser Chavez could they cast a lesbian Native-American in the lead role? Are they on some bent to destroy historical context?
I want to see them produce a play about Eleanor Roosevelt cast as an trans-gendered African-American male.
This actually seems to work for some reason.
In Obama's shallow, hate-filled mind, a cast that mostly excludes white people is a cast as diverse as America itself.
Broadway, of course, should be perfectly free to cast people of whatever race they want, but only if they leave producers of shows meant to have white casts free to cast white people. There was a big kerfuffle when the producers of The Hobbit asked for extras to be white, so Peter Jackson wound up throwing in a few colored people in the Lake Town scenes in that movie, meant to be set in a (mythological) ancient Britain. Then they insist on filling other shows set in ancient England ("Merlin") with "diverse" folk, and they even cast a black woman to play an English queen in The Hollow Crown series of Shakespearean plays.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill Jones
Ridley Scott and others had been casting blacks in shows and movies set in medieval England years before all this diversity cast stuff. They’re really responsible for setting up this expectation for anachronistic casting.
I think I have comments getting stuck in a spam trap
I have no interest in Hamilton and will never see it, but from my understanding isn’t it supposed to be something like Soul Train meets the musical 1776? In which case its cast couldn’t be anything but “diverse”.
Another example, when Aida was on Broadway, the title role went to a black actress in the original cast (although the other two leads went to whites), and in subsequent castings Aida was black.
I think the cast of the Lion King might be all black.
But, yeah: I'm not sure how it's helpful to ban specifying race in the casting calls if they're not going to hire actors of their disfavored races anyway.
An interesting economic speculation about Hamilton: given that the roles don't require much in the way of singing, Lin-Manuel Miranda will probably get away with paying them less than most musical actors -- maybe scale?Replies: @Joe Sweet, @Anonymous
Any actor good enough to be cast in a Broadway hit ought to be able to fake being diverse. All kinds of fun will ensue when someday a Dolezal or Shaun King of the stage is outed by the truly diverse.
I find myself wondering if plays like Hamilton are really some sort of exercise in which false memories, or false emotions, are implanted. Do people who watch the play come to believe that America was built by primarily by minorities and women?
Just had a conversation where a guy said his teacher friend in another state posted on FB with his high school history students after their 3rd trip to see Hamilton!
Between Assassin’s Creed video games, the movie Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, and Hamilton, LOL, no one knows or will know crap…
The younger generations already know next to nothing about history, and their poor understanding is further clouded by ridiculous crap like "Hamilton". I wonder how many people in twenty years will actually believe that Hamilton was black.Replies: @Whiskey
Most recently, the musical “Annie”, was recast with a black girl (with the unpronounceable name) in the title role and I believe Jamie Foxx as Daddy Warbucks. So in actuality, he who produces and pays for the production, gets to control the cast. And that is how it should be. However, there is no guarantee that your production will be successful.
Proof that people these days will watch just about any old shit Hollywood puts in front of them. I confess I didn't see the 2014 "Annie," but everyone I know who saw it said it sucked.Replies: @Okie, @njguy73, @Buffalo Joe
Archie Bunker was right.Replies: @Jack D
Wouldn’t it be edgy and thought provoking to cast a white in a ‘white’ role meant for a black?
OT-
Looks like Jackie does not want to testify for the UVA Rolling Stone Rape Case because it would cause her to relive the trauma that she never experienced in the first place…
Whatever comes of this case, I think we have a new good working definition for chutzpah.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/30/lawyers-for-jackie-in-rolling-stone-lawsuit-protest-under-oath-deposition-say-it-could-re-traumatize-her/
Some of the text transcripts have been released and it looks like it was not just a catfish operation, but technically a double catfish whereby Jackie pretending to be Haven Monahan was communicating with Jackie’s crush interest, who in turn, was pretending to be a girl flirting with Haven Monahan. So we had a girl pretending to be a boy flirting with a girl that was actually a boy that the girl that was pretending to be a boy wanted to actually flirt with. Even Philip K Dick could not have predicted this.
http://wtvr.com/2016/02/08/jackie-uva-gang-rape-story-twist/
Jackie’s communications are somewhat problematic as her Haven Monahan persona consistently uses homophobic slurs to describe her unresponsive crush.
Somewhat problematic
Problematic
Unacceptable
Totally unacceptable
Horrifying
Terrifying
TrumpisticalReplies: @Anonymous
It sure seems to me like a playwright and producer ought to be able to stick to their artistic vision in casting the play, even if that means some roles are only open to blacks or whites or whatever other group. I have the feeling, though, that a lot of the people who would agree with that notion wrt Hamilton would not agree on it as a general principle.
I am as anti-anti-racist as you can be, but my teenage girls love this show, as do their friends. As a result, they have become American history mavens, and they are far more patriotic than I ever was at 16 to 20. It’s something to see. For this reason, racist though I may be, I can’t complain about this show. On the whole, this I think it is a good thing.
May God have mercy on my soul.
You are not alone.
“If we broke up the big banks tomorrow,” Mrs. Clinton asked the audience of black, white and Hispanic union members, “would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the L.G.B.T. community?,” she said, using an abbreviation for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. “Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?”
At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.
Hahaha……classic.
See the Money Power. Don’t watch the little birdy. The little birdy is there to distract you from the Money Power that is stealing your country.
The agenda of the Money Power and the LGBT agenda are the same agenda. One is not a distraction from the other. They are, to all intents and purposes, the same.
Does sex even matter? If there was a play about Ceaser Chavez could they cast a lesbian Native-American in the lead role? Are they on some bent to destroy historical context?
I want to see them produce a play about Eleanor Roosevelt cast as an trans-gendered African-American male.Replies: @JVO, @ben tillman
“I want to see them produce a play about Eleanor Roosevelt cast as an trans-gendered African-American male.”
This actually seems to work for some reason.
Between Assassin's Creed video games, the movie Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, and Hamilton, LOL, no one knows or will know crap...Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon
I had a real meathead of a history teacher in high school. He had been in the navy and also coached gym and was a JV assistant coach for a bunch of sports. We watched the Arnold Schwarzeneggar Conan movie for “class” several times, along with the Bill and Ted movies and other pseudo-historical movies. We barely did any work that year, and all his tests were those multiple choice ones where 3 out of the 4 answer choices are absurdly wrong. We mostly just watched movies and talked. Of course everybody loved him.
John Lovitz as Master Thespian,
Master Thespian: “No! It is I who fooled you! For I am dead.. and merely acting alive.”
Between Assassin's Creed video games, the movie Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, and Hamilton, LOL, no one knows or will know crap...Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter was an excellent film. Not a thing wrong with it.
That said, you still need some rote learning of factual information about the country's history as well as details about how the government works, etc.
In Obama's shallow, hate-filled mind, a cast that mostly excludes white people is a cast as diverse as America itself.
Broadway, of course, should be perfectly free to cast people of whatever race they want, but only if they leave producers of shows meant to have white casts free to cast white people. There was a big kerfuffle when the producers of The Hobbit asked for extras to be white, so Peter Jackson wound up throwing in a few colored people in the Lake Town scenes in that movie, meant to be set in a (mythological) ancient Britain. Then they insist on filling other shows set in ancient England ("Merlin") with "diverse" folk, and they even cast a black woman to play an English queen in The Hollow Crown series of Shakespearean plays.Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill Jones
“Broadway, of course, should be perfectly free to cast people of whatever race they want,”
Why?
No one else is entitled to hire on the basis of race.
Off topic, but highly relevant to Steve’s publicizing that blacks and whites vote very differently on Bernie, surely the DNC’s leaving Bern off the ballot in DC is an effort to obscure that very difference.
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bernie-Sanders-Faces-Ballot-Trouble-in-DC-After-Registration-Snafu-374042381.html
Steve, the fact that Georgie boy’s part is reserved for a white actor is obvious proof that this director has been studying that piece by Franklin which you often recommend:
America’s favorite monarch had roots in Saxony so it’d probably just confuse people if they’d cast an actor of color in that role. But what about his wife? As a native of Mecklenburg, wouldn’t she have qualified as a member of one of Franklin’s “swarthy” races? Is Hamilton missing a diversity and gender-equity opportunity here by not making space for her in re-telling this important modern identity story?
I guess it’s the only way for the “Diverse” to reconcile with the fact that the Founding Fathers were Wasps or in modern parlance, stale, pale males.
This guy however appears to doing a touchdown dance on the rest of us. He openly acknowledges the narrative and its use in pushing his worldview. I guess we are no longer conspiracy theorists.Replies: @guest, @Clyde, @Bill
Luckily, Broadway hasn’t mattered to regular folks since I don’t know. When was the last time you heard anyone humming a tune from a new musical? He’s touchdown dancing to the choir.
Unluckily, his type owns everything else in charge of the narrative, except for nooks and crannies like this blog, as you say. And common sense.
I wouldn’t worry about them controlling the past through their little plays, which seem to be written for ever narrower audiences.
The original 1982 “Annie” cost $50 million (allegedly – I find that hard to believe) and did $57 million at the box office. The 2014 “Annie” cost $65 million and did $134 million in box office. The original 1984 “Karate Kid” cost $8 million to make and did $91 million in box office, while the black “Karate Kid” cost $40 million and did $359 million in box office.
Proof that people these days will watch just about any old shit Hollywood puts in front of them. I confess I didn’t see the 2014 “Annie,” but everyone I know who saw it said it sucked.
Why?
No one else is entitled to hire on the basis of race.Replies: @Wilkey
An absolutely valid point. Broadway should be held to the same standards of non-discrimination every other business is held to, including laws against discriminating based on gender, age, and appearance. Porn movies should have to cast 84-year-old fat women as often as they cast 21-year-old vixens.
One thing that’s a bit unique about Hamilton is that the guy who wrote it is diverse. When I was in college, I took a theater appreciation class taught by a Broadway producer, and as part of the class we went to see some plays and musicals. One of the musicals was Once On This Island, an adaptation of a Hans Christian Andersen fairytale set in the Caribbean. The cast was all black, and the producer got one of the cast members (who was also the dance captain) to speak to our class, and the guy said something about the show not getting respect at the Tonys because of racism.
Here is a look at the creative team behind Once On This Island – Stephen Flaherty (Irish and flaming, presumably, judging by the suit) and Lynn Ahrens (Jewish).
A few years ago, the local high school here put a pretty good version of this show – it’s a mostly black school, so the setting appealed to them, though, unlike the Broadway version I saw, the high school version was actually diverse.
It’s just like the Oscars! Pass the popcorn, the Left is eating itself!
Either Broadway will give in…and then become as “less glamorous” and ” déclassé ” and all other sorts of lefty-euphemisms for black, ghetto, and unwatchable…..
Or the gays and Jews in Broadway will push back hard on this, and the coalition will fracture.
Either way, it’s great. Pass the popcorn!
The WaPo recently wrote this about Hamilton,“As a hero, the musical’s Hamilton represents the American dream in the form of an immigrant-made-good, born on the Caribbean Island of Nevis, then raising himself to high society through sheer determination and genius.”
This is interesting because it distinguishes Hamilton from the other Founders, and thus differentiates him from those Founders born in America. This is important because liberals and proposition-nation types like to say that the USA is a ‘nation of immigrants’. They say that we are ALL immigrants except of course for the natives.
I recall Patrick Buchanan writing against this prevailing notion that we are a nation of immigrants by explaining that our Founders for the most part were not immigrants. He pointed out how George Washington, his father and his grandfather had all been born in Virginia. He argued many Founders had similar stories, and thus we were not a nation of immigrants. Rather these were for the most part born and bred Americans who fought to establish a separate nation.
Now by promoting the notion that Hamilton was an immigrant, which he was, as opposed to the other Founders who were not, the liberals are acknowledging what Buchanan and probably most of us on this blog have always believed, namely that we are most definitely not a nation of immigrants. After all if we were a nation of immigrants then there would be no need to distinguish Hamilton from the others.
PS. As a footnote we’ve just been told that the European-born terrorists of Paris and Brussels have nothing to do with immigration. So I suppose that fact along with this new found love of Hamilton the immigrant serves to confirm that the USA is definitely not a nation of immigrants.
Washington, Jefferson, etc. - not immigrants because they were born in the American colonies
Belgian and French terrorists - born in Belgium/France but are still immigrants and not Belgian/French.
Which one is right?Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AnAnon
Broadway is for tourists.
This guy however appears to doing a touchdown dance on the rest of us. He openly acknowledges the narrative and its use in pushing his worldview. I guess we are no longer conspiracy theorists.Replies: @guest, @Clyde, @Bill
I figured he is your run of the mill, self flagellating, New York City white lib guy but no. He is also gay which a glance at his google images sorta also says.
wikipedia- Brantley, who is openly gay,[3] is single and lives in New York City.
So the above gay plus post-Hamiltonian, multi-ethnic mashup and pile on will be writing the history books (texts!) in a few decades. Civilization and its Discontents and the discontented are winning the culture wars!
Looks like Jackie does not want to testify for the UVA Rolling Stone Rape Case because it would cause her to relive the trauma that she never experienced in the first place...
Whatever comes of this case, I think we have a new good working definition for chutzpah.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/30/lawyers-for-jackie-in-rolling-stone-lawsuit-protest-under-oath-deposition-say-it-could-re-traumatize-her/
Some of the text transcripts have been released and it looks like it was not just a catfish operation, but technically a double catfish whereby Jackie pretending to be Haven Monahan was communicating with Jackie's crush interest, who in turn, was pretending to be a girl flirting with Haven Monahan. So we had a girl pretending to be a boy flirting with a girl that was actually a boy that the girl that was pretending to be a boy wanted to actually flirt with. Even Philip K Dick could not have predicted this.
http://wtvr.com/2016/02/08/jackie-uva-gang-rape-story-twist/
Jackie's communications are somewhat problematic as her Haven Monahan persona consistently uses homophobic slurs to describe her unresponsive crush.Replies: @Thomas Fuller
‘Somewhat problematic’ is more or less OK these days. The Crescendo of Outrage currently goes like this:
Somewhat problematic
Problematic
Unacceptable
Totally unacceptable
Horrifying
Terrifying
Trumpistical
This is white gentile/Jewish gays versus blacks and hispanics for jobs.
Obviously, a large percentage of potential white Hamilton actors are gay. Ditto for the non-white ones, but the black and Hispanic ones try harder to keep up a pretense of being straight while really on-the-down-low.
So the Hamilton creator—who is straight, and who was promoted by the gays and Jews of the NY theater scene as being the Great Minority Sondheim We’ve All Been Waiting For—-is biting the white gentile/Jewish gay hand that fed him and seeking to help out black and Hispanic dudes. It remains to be seen if this is just a momentary bit of infighting and he’ll be back in their good graces soon, or whether he’s pulling a Spike Lee in Mo’ Better Blues and pushing his luck a step too far.
Small brouhaha in England: an advertising agency published a recruitment ad for people with northern accents, but not to be from Liverpool.
OT but ref the Trump abortion storm in a teacup. While he obviously misspoke as the transcript makes very clear, in the UK the woman actually is punished if she gets an abortion illegally, which means without going through the formal process of having two doctors agree and so on.
The idea of punishing someone for doing something which is against the law is hardly radical.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/9189206
Steve you are a big fan of Richard Linklater, are you going to watch his new film Everybody Wants Some?
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/why-everybody-wants-some-is-accidentally-gay.html
May God have mercy on my soul.Replies: @G Pinfold, @Barnard
Peace be upon you, brother. Anything to keep those teenagers happy for half an hour, or their attention span, whichever is longer.
You are not alone.
I can’t wait for your review of Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
In London I noticed a large billboard for Showboat earlier this week. About 75 percent of the actors/singers depicted on it were black. My recollection of Showboat is that it was mostly a white cast, with one song, “Old Man River,” sung by a black. But I guess they know what audiences like now.
Somewhat problematic
Problematic
Unacceptable
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TrumpisticalReplies: @Anonymous
Where does “troubling” fit?
That speech by Hillary reminded me of the recent Star Wars, which I guess was sorta like “Hamilton” but for the people who can’t afford $800 ticket prices (really, I’m not kidding, that’s what the tickets are going for.)
https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/star-wars-and-identitarian-power/
“nonwhite men and women”
I’m sure that with enough trenchant blog comments about this kind of thing it will stop.
In case I’m wrong about that:
Padlocked and deserted: The family farm seized by black British GP is now under armed guard by ‘thugs’ wielding AK47s… as 7,500 miles away its new owner refuses to apologise
(Yeah, a “British GP” — Sylvester Nyatsuro.)
Phillip Rankin and his family have farmed in Zimbabwe for decades
Their farm has been taken from them and given to Sylvester Nyatsuro
Mr Rankin was handcuffed and dragged away from the property last week
Farm is now deserted and gun-toting thugs are guarding it against visitors
Mr Nyatsuro refused to apologise when approached by MailOnline today
Perhaps white people ought to consider: it’s just possible that once they lose control of their countries, they will not be welcomed anywhere else.
“At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.”
Paid audience? They are selling Hillary like a “Slap Chop”.
Proof that people these days will watch just about any old shit Hollywood puts in front of them. I confess I didn't see the 2014 "Annie," but everyone I know who saw it said it sucked.Replies: @Okie, @njguy73, @Buffalo Joe
my very lib sis got very mad at me for calling the movie”black Annie” you are supposed to internalize this sort of casting but not describe it.
Wanted in New York City: A thousand black, Latino and Asian male teachers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/wanted-in-new-york-city-a-thousand-black-latino-and-asian-male-teachers/2015/12/11/a8cc0f52-9f7f-11e5-a3c5-c77f2cc5a43c_story.html
http://www.nyc.gov/html/ymi/html/teach/teach.shtml
I agree. Also, it would be a perfect place to start conversation about the nature of slave holding, as well as an opportunity to talk about how the South and southern culture is denigrated in the rest of the country.
That said, you still need some rote learning of factual information about the country’s history as well as details about how the government works, etc.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
Steve, you got mentioned in this article on breitbart that has 6000 c0mments
May God have mercy on my soul.Replies: @G Pinfold, @Barnard
What are they learning about American History? I don’t see how you make the jump from nonsense like this to a serious, non-P.C. study of American History, but maybe it’s possible.
Chernow is a cheerleader for Hamilton, and Miranda even more of one (he pretty much leaves the Alien and Sedition Acts, which Hamilton supported, out of his musical), but honestly I couldn't believe how much history he crammed in there.
One thing I learned from Chernow that isn't even whispered in the musical: Hamilton turned strongly against immigration late in his career. Steve could get a funny post out of that, I'd bet.
Diane Ravitch wrote "The Language Police" in 2004 about how special interest groups ('60s and '70s activists) pressured text book publishers and wrested control of the language and content of textbooks and standardized exams, often at the expense of the truth (in the case of history), of literary quality (in the case of literature), and of education in general. Her book is filled with the multitude of text book distortions that makes Orwell's "1984" resemble an operating manual.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/24/emory-university-students-think-donald-trump-is-out-to-kill-them.htmlReplies: @Nico, @AndrewR
Maybe it’s the chalk. In that case they’re right to be afraid: osteopetrosis is a serious condition.
There is probably a good First Amendment defense. For example, clearly the anti-discrimination law cannot prohibit a movie director from casting blacks as slaves etc.
This is interesting because it distinguishes Hamilton from the other Founders, and thus differentiates him from those Founders born in America. This is important because liberals and proposition-nation types like to say that the USA is a 'nation of immigrants'. They say that we are ALL immigrants except of course for the natives.
I recall Patrick Buchanan writing against this prevailing notion that we are a nation of immigrants by explaining that our Founders for the most part were not immigrants. He pointed out how George Washington, his father and his grandfather had all been born in Virginia. He argued many Founders had similar stories, and thus we were not a nation of immigrants. Rather these were for the most part born and bred Americans who fought to establish a separate nation.
Now by promoting the notion that Hamilton was an immigrant, which he was, as opposed to the other Founders who were not, the liberals are acknowledging what Buchanan and probably most of us on this blog have always believed, namely that we are most definitely not a nation of immigrants. After all if we were a nation of immigrants then there would be no need to distinguish Hamilton from the others.
PS. As a footnote we've just been told that the European-born terrorists of Paris and Brussels have nothing to do with immigration. So I suppose that fact along with this new found love of Hamilton the immigrant serves to confirm that the USA is definitely not a nation of immigrants.Replies: @Jack D, @The Fra, @syonredux
I’m not sure I follow your logic:
Washington, Jefferson, etc. – not immigrants because they were born in the American colonies
Belgian and French terrorists – born in Belgium/France but are still immigrants and not Belgian/French.
Which one is right?
They both are. You are simply either too obtuse to understand why, or too deceitful to acknowledge why.
Between Assassin's Creed video games, the movie Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, and Hamilton, LOL, no one knows or will know crap...Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon
The “Assassin’s Creed” video games are an especially vile example of this kind of historical retconning. The transformation of the assassin in popular consciousness from villain to hero is perverse. Look at the characters thrown up as heroes in popular culture: the sniper, the assassin (the vampire?).
The younger generations already know next to nothing about history, and their poor understanding is further clouded by ridiculous crap like “Hamilton”. I wonder how many people in twenty years will actually believe that Hamilton was black.
When most men were 9-5 corporate cogs who also had fought the Nazis and Tojo to defeat; and there was no competition from extreme violent diversity Alpha dominance, you could have credible heroes like the 1950's Chuck Connors "the Rifleman" etc. Dominant Alpha but within rules. The current rules stifle White men who play within them; so you have vampires who are even more dangerous than the non-rule bound gangbanger, or "bad Dad" types like Breaking Bad Walter White or TV's "the Blacklist" with James Spader.
More broadly speaking a mono-racial White society can have an adult attitude towards violence and dominance. Useful and required in times of war, set aside in times of peace. Traditionally this had been the arc of White society as Pinker noted through say 1965, if unevenly and not at the same pace in all White places.
A diverse society where Joe Average White Man lives cheek-by-jowl with say, a murderous Jihadi of Pakistani origin will default back to say, Los Angeles from 1830 to 1880. Reading "Eternity Street" about the vigilante justice in failed, lawless Los Angeles from that period, filled with all sorts of people including Californios, who hated Mexicans (and vice-versa), outlaws from Texas, school teacher vigilantes from Maine, Chilean and French immigrants, the Chinese, etc. you get the picture that vigilante violence and male dominance ramps up very high, with informal "rules" that demand communal vigilantism and violence by nearly all men in one form or another.
And that's straight where we are headed.
Washington, Jefferson, etc. - not immigrants because they were born in the American colonies
Belgian and French terrorists - born in Belgium/France but are still immigrants and not Belgian/French.
Which one is right?Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AnAnon
“Which one is right?”
They both are. You are simply either too obtuse to understand why, or too deceitful to acknowledge why.
OT, another crimethink offender fired: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/pittsburgh-tv-anchor-fired-over-facebook-post-stereotyping-230051822.html
To no one’s surprise, she is almost certainly 100% correct, which is why she was fired. http://www.wpxi.com/news/man-on-allegheny-countys-most-wanted-list-in-custody/179512810
Another example, when Aida was on Broadway, the title role went to a black actress in the original cast (although the other two leads went to whites), and in subsequent castings Aida was black.
I think the cast of the Lion King might be all black.
But, yeah: I'm not sure how it's helpful to ban specifying race in the casting calls if they're not going to hire actors of their disfavored races anyway.
An interesting economic speculation about Hamilton: given that the roles don't require much in the way of singing, Lin-Manuel Miranda will probably get away with paying them less than most musical actors -- maybe scale?Replies: @Joe Sweet, @Anonymous
There’s a scene in the movie “Camp” (pun intended) about a musical theater camp for kids in the Catskills where a black guy and his brother complain to the director about having to play white roles because there are no black parts.
The director tells them, “Hey, it’s color-blind casting” and the kid replies, “it’s Fiddler on the Roof!” as the camera pans to he and his brother wearing Jewish wigs with forelocks.
This guy however appears to doing a touchdown dance on the rest of us. He openly acknowledges the narrative and its use in pushing his worldview. I guess we are no longer conspiracy theorists.Replies: @guest, @Clyde, @Bill
This is completely standard, though. Once upon a time, only nutty conspiracy theorists thought that the European Iron and Steel Community was the first phase in a plot to establish the United States of Europe. Once upon a time, only nutty conspiracy theorists thought that feminism was going to lead to women in combat. Once upon a time, only nutty conspiracy theorists though that feminism was going to lead to gay marriage.
Remember Rick Santorum being pilloried for saying that gay marriage was going to lead to legalized bestiality and incest? Do you have any doubt that he was right? Do you have any doubt that the cultural marxists will cheerfully admit he was right five minutes after NRO editorializes that bestiality is a conservative principle and Muslims “hate us for our incest?”
The left’s plots make the transition from obviously false and crazy conspiracy theories to “of course, everyone knows that” once they are pretty much concluded and the left judges them safe from being overturned. That is once status quo bias works for them instead of against them.
At each question, the crowd called back with a resounding no.
Hahaha......classic.
See the Money Power. Don't watch the little birdy. The little birdy is there to distract you from the Money Power that is stealing your country.Replies: @Mr. Anon
“See the Money Power. ”
The agenda of the Money Power and the LGBT agenda are the same agenda. One is not a distraction from the other. They are, to all intents and purposes, the same.
A song from “Hamilton” just became the number 1 hit on the Top 40.
Yes; the “who, whom?” iSteve readers should take a moment to think about it—if “Hamilton” is forced to cast whites then sure as f*** every other dramatic production for the rest of history is going to be forced to be “diverse.” And they’d very, very quickly “close the loophole” to clarify that whites are not “diverse.”
In the fullness of time, Hamilton will be found out as the dreck it is. It will be more embarrassing than the Macarena, and no one will remember having gone to see it and liking it. Facebook posts from today praising Hamilton will be attributed to interloping children or pets.
Today, diversity tramples upon aesthetic excellence.
But the worm will turn.
Beware the worm.
"In the fullness of time, Hamilton will be found out as the dreck it is. It will be more embarrassing than the Macarena, and no one will remember having gone to see it and liking it."
If civilization survives, eventually "Hamilton" will be seen as an inexcusable distortion of history in order to detract from the towering accomplishments of white men. It is far, far worse and more damaging than the Macarena, which was intended solely as an amusing frivolity.
Sure, Linklater’s new movie is about Texas college baseball players in 1980. I was there.
It takes place in 1980, but it still looks the 1970s from the trailer with the cars, hairstyles, and mustaches. Also there is a scene where they go to the disco. Than again they are only 1 year removed from 1979 and Jimmy Carter is still president. It is not like this took place in 1989.
Judging by the trailer, the Three Dog Night/Doobie Brothers 1970s looking mustache was still popular in 1980 among White men.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/24/emory-university-students-think-donald-trump-is-out-to-kill-them.htmlReplies: @Nico, @AndrewR
It’s amazing how communists have managed to silence dissent by likening speech they dislike to actual violence. This seems to be almost universal on the left these days.
It’s not nonsense at all. Setting the casting and music style to one side, Hamilton delves surprisingly deeply into revolutionary war and politics 1775-1800. Miranda definitely read Chernow’s book carefully and did further research.
Chernow is a cheerleader for Hamilton, and Miranda even more of one (he pretty much leaves the Alien and Sedition Acts, which Hamilton supported, out of his musical), but honestly I couldn’t believe how much history he crammed in there.
One thing I learned from Chernow that isn’t even whispered in the musical: Hamilton turned strongly against immigration late in his career. Steve could get a funny post out of that, I’d bet.
This is interesting because it distinguishes Hamilton from the other Founders, and thus differentiates him from those Founders born in America. This is important because liberals and proposition-nation types like to say that the USA is a 'nation of immigrants'. They say that we are ALL immigrants except of course for the natives.
I recall Patrick Buchanan writing against this prevailing notion that we are a nation of immigrants by explaining that our Founders for the most part were not immigrants. He pointed out how George Washington, his father and his grandfather had all been born in Virginia. He argued many Founders had similar stories, and thus we were not a nation of immigrants. Rather these were for the most part born and bred Americans who fought to establish a separate nation.
Now by promoting the notion that Hamilton was an immigrant, which he was, as opposed to the other Founders who were not, the liberals are acknowledging what Buchanan and probably most of us on this blog have always believed, namely that we are most definitely not a nation of immigrants. After all if we were a nation of immigrants then there would be no need to distinguish Hamilton from the others.
PS. As a footnote we've just been told that the European-born terrorists of Paris and Brussels have nothing to do with immigration. So I suppose that fact along with this new found love of Hamilton the immigrant serves to confirm that the USA is definitely not a nation of immigrants.Replies: @Jack D, @The Fra, @syonredux
When Alexander Hamilton moved from Nevis to New Jersey in 1772 he was simply moving from one area of British jurisdiction to another. He was not an immigrant to the USA.
Silly rabbit. This only works one way. To achieve a post-racial society we must ensure whites cease to exist as a distinct group.
Obviously, a large percentage of potential white Hamilton actors are gay. Ditto for the non-white ones, but the black and Hispanic ones try harder to keep up a pretense of being straight while really on-the-down-low.
So the Hamilton creator---who is straight, and who was promoted by the gays and Jews of the NY theater scene as being the Great Minority Sondheim We've All Been Waiting For----is biting the white gentile/Jewish gay hand that fed him and seeking to help out black and Hispanic dudes. It remains to be seen if this is just a momentary bit of infighting and he'll be back in their good graces soon, or whether he's pulling a Spike Lee in Mo' Better Blues and pushing his luck a step too far.Replies: @keypusher, @David
Just wishful thinking on your part, I’m afraid. Hamilton is the best thing to happen to Broadway in forever. Not only is it making tons of money, it’s making Broadway relevant again: a hit show that isn’t Andrew Lloyd Webber or a lame musicalization of a hit movie and has Serious People talking. Nobody is coming after Lin-Manuel Miranda for that casting notice.
(1) "Serious People" would talk about it no matter what. Miranda's the Great Minority Hope on Broadway, so they'd be chattering about him so long as the show pulled any people in. These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth. Political Correctness is always going to make sure Miranda's works are talked about more than a white gentiles works of similar merit.
(2) Like I said, it could blow over on Miranda, or he could double down and lose his meal ticket. A few more stunts like this and the white gays (both gentile and Jewish) will get very cranky at him. Because they're either auditioning for the shows or seeing their twink boytoys audition for them. But so long as Miranda doesn't push them too hard they should fall back and let him have a little space to whine and be dickish. The Angry Lecturing Minority is a perfectly token to the Left so long as he doesn't seriously start costing them jobs and money.
(3) It could be a marketing scheme by Miranda. Most people outside the Lefty Theater Bubble don't know about modern Musicals, so this controversy drums up some free advertising as well as telegraphing what the show is about ("token minorities playing white historical figures! while rapping!").Replies: @keypusher, @keypusher
A ‘non-PC study of American History’ is, like, so yesterday. Two generations ago–yes, but that ship sailed.
Diane Ravitch wrote “The Language Police” in 2004 about how special interest groups (’60s and ’70s activists) pressured text book publishers and wrested control of the language and content of textbooks and standardized exams, often at the expense of the truth (in the case of history), of literary quality (in the case of literature), and of education in general. Her book is filled with the multitude of text book distortions that makes Orwell’s “1984” resemble an operating manual.
Hey Sailer. Let my comments through. This is getting really annoying.
“Sure, Linklater’s new movie is about Texas college baseball players in 1980. I was there.”
It takes place in 1980, but it still looks the 1970s from the trailer with the cars, hairstyles, and mustaches. Also there is a scene where they go to the disco. Than again they are only 1 year removed from 1979 and Jimmy Carter is still president. It is not like this took place in 1989.
Proof that people these days will watch just about any old shit Hollywood puts in front of them. I confess I didn't see the 2014 "Annie," but everyone I know who saw it said it sucked.Replies: @Okie, @njguy73, @Buffalo Joe
And adjusted for inflation, the 2014 grosses would be…?
Annie (1982) adjusted gross: $158,561,900
Karate Kid (1984) adjusted gross: $213,254,400Replies: @njguy73
Proof that people these days will watch just about any old shit Hollywood puts in front of them. I confess I didn't see the 2014 "Annie," but everyone I know who saw it said it sucked.Replies: @Okie, @njguy73, @Buffalo Joe
Wilkey, Thank you for your research which basically proves my point that if you want to risk the money to fund a production as you see it, so be it. Those who succeed deserve their success. One of my most favorite movies, Akira Kurasawa’s “The Seven Samurai” was remade as a successful Hollywood western, ” The Magnificent Seven.” The spaghetti westerns that stared Clint Eastwood, such as “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, ” were filmed in Europe, I think, and cast with Italian actors. Remember acting is pretending that you are someone other than yourself. That is the reason I rage when the press gives creditability to some actor’s opinion, based on the fact that they “played” a role and now they are an expert on some subject.
Wilkey, Trigger warning….Years ago I installed a machine that shredded the unsold copies of magazines that were returned to the distributor by retail vendors, mainly corner and adult stores. There were mags that featured only women over 70 and 80 and mags that featured women that were morbidly obese. Washing my eyes out with bleach has still not removed those images. Some things, once seen, can’t not be unseen. I still wonder how they found their “models.”
Today, diversity tramples upon aesthetic excellence.
But the worm will turn.
Beware the worm.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Kylie
Candid, I am danced challenged, but I look forward to doing the Macarena at weddings, of course after 3 or 4 Manhattans.
Today, diversity tramples upon aesthetic excellence.
But the worm will turn.
Beware the worm.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Kylie
Excellent post. But let me qualify this statement:
“In the fullness of time, Hamilton will be found out as the dreck it is. It will be more embarrassing than the Macarena, and no one will remember having gone to see it and liking it.”
If civilization survives, eventually “Hamilton” will be seen as an inexcusable distortion of history in order to detract from the towering accomplishments of white men. It is far, far worse and more damaging than the Macarena, which was intended solely as an amusing frivolity.
OT:
Defenestration of a local news reporter for pointing out that young black men tend to be killed by other young black men.
http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/tv-radio/2016/03/30/WTAE-TV-s-Wendy-Bell-fired-over-racially-inflammatory-messages/stories/201603300196
“After a mass shooting March 9 in Wilkinsburg in which police still have made no arrests, Ms. Bell wrote, in part, “You needn’t be a criminal profiler to draw a mental sketch of the killers who broke so many hearts two weeks ago Wednesday… they are young black men, likely in their teens or early 20s.
“They have multiple siblings from multiple fathers and their mothers work multiple jobs.””
I may be wrong, but I think that dropped off the bottom of the list a while ago 🙂
The younger generations already know next to nothing about history, and their poor understanding is further clouded by ridiculous crap like "Hamilton". I wonder how many people in twenty years will actually believe that Hamilton was black.Replies: @Whiskey
The rise of villain as hero is because in the PC/Diversity world, only a very “bad” man with no limits seems to be able to get anything done. This is why people like Zack Snyder instinctively make Superman “dark” and dangerous — and of course the demand of women for ever greater dominance/Alphaness plays into that.
When most men were 9-5 corporate cogs who also had fought the Nazis and Tojo to defeat; and there was no competition from extreme violent diversity Alpha dominance, you could have credible heroes like the 1950’s Chuck Connors “the Rifleman” etc. Dominant Alpha but within rules. The current rules stifle White men who play within them; so you have vampires who are even more dangerous than the non-rule bound gangbanger, or “bad Dad” types like Breaking Bad Walter White or TV’s “the Blacklist” with James Spader.
More broadly speaking a mono-racial White society can have an adult attitude towards violence and dominance. Useful and required in times of war, set aside in times of peace. Traditionally this had been the arc of White society as Pinker noted through say 1965, if unevenly and not at the same pace in all White places.
A diverse society where Joe Average White Man lives cheek-by-jowl with say, a murderous Jihadi of Pakistani origin will default back to say, Los Angeles from 1830 to 1880. Reading “Eternity Street” about the vigilante justice in failed, lawless Los Angeles from that period, filled with all sorts of people including Californios, who hated Mexicans (and vice-versa), outlaws from Texas, school teacher vigilantes from Maine, Chilean and French immigrants, the Chinese, etc. you get the picture that vigilante violence and male dominance ramps up very high, with informal “rules” that demand communal vigilantism and violence by nearly all men in one form or another.
And that’s straight where we are headed.
Annie may have had a couple good songs, but the nasty one about Herbert Hoover ruins the whole show for me. Hoover, according to one documentary, saved more human lives than anyone else in history. It’s high time he had a laudatory musical of his own.
Archie Bunker was right.
What do you mean, “these days”? Were they ever different?
Well, they could always reintroduce blackface, thus allowing non-nonwhites to be hired.
The Basic Law is “Thou Shall Not Discriminate”, which also means that “Thou Shall Not Notice.”
Here is the latest evidence: (follow the links)
TV Anchor Fired
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/pittsburgh-tv-anchor-fired-over-facebook-post-stereotyping-230051822.html
Survivor Arrested
http://www.wpxi.com/news/survivor-of-wilkinsburg-mass-shooting-facing-charges-for-december-incident/183926765
Man on Most Wanted List Arrested, Details of Mass Shooting
http://www.wpxi.com/news/man-on-allegheny-countys-most-wanted-list-in-custody/179512810
…… It must have been a comet, or something ……
Leftist campus agitprop informs us that `cultural appropriation’ is pretty much the worst thing ever. Hence college students are strongly discouraged by campus diversity apparatchiks from, say, dressing up in Halloween costumes to make themselves look like Native Americans. How is retelling the story of Hamilton using specifically nonwhite actors not cultural appropriation?
Archie Bunker was right.Replies: @Jack D
The Herbert Hoover line in the Archie Bunker theme song never made any sense. 1st of all, Archie would not have been old enough to really remember Hoover. 2nd, the chances that a blue collar New Yorker like Archie would have been a Herbert Hoover admirer were nil. But for the American left of Norman Lear’s generation, Hoover was the the Marie Antoinette who let the Great Depression rage on and so the pro-Hoover line was his way of showing that Archie was a Neanderthal. This was always the irony of the American left and still is – they are supposed to be the workers party but they really don’t like workers.
A blue-collar New Yorker of rightist sympathies would have offered up Al Smith. Taylor Caldwell comes to mind. She said the election of Smith would have been the best thing for America, as FDR would never have come to power.Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder
Archie and Edith must have been fans of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand, with their "Didn't Need No Welfare State, Everybody Pulled His Weight".
Duh, all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others. Only white people are capable of racism.
Your favorite Turkish deep state operative in teh Poconos is as it again!
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/274675-why-should-turkish-cleric-fethullah-gulen-operate-charter
Eh:
(1) “Serious People” would talk about it no matter what. Miranda’s the Great Minority Hope on Broadway, so they’d be chattering about him so long as the show pulled any people in. These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth. Political Correctness is always going to make sure Miranda’s works are talked about more than a white gentiles works of similar merit.
(2) Like I said, it could blow over on Miranda, or he could double down and lose his meal ticket. A few more stunts like this and the white gays (both gentile and Jewish) will get very cranky at him. Because they’re either auditioning for the shows or seeing their twink boytoys audition for them. But so long as Miranda doesn’t push them too hard they should fall back and let him have a little space to whine and be dickish. The Angry Lecturing Minority is a perfectly token to the Left so long as he doesn’t seriously start costing them jobs and money.
(3) It could be a marketing scheme by Miranda. Most people outside the Lefty Theater Bubble don’t know about modern Musicals, so this controversy drums up some free advertising as well as telegraphing what the show is about (“token minorities playing white historical figures! while rapping!”).
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there's actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton's wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it's about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year's Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I'm sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.Replies: @guest
This isn't his first show; he already did In the Heights. It didn't get 1/100th of the buzz Hamilton has gotten.
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there's actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton's wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it's about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year's Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I'm sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.Replies: @whorefinder
OT: Some neocons are going wobbly:
John Bolton: Open Borders ‘Destroying’ The American ‘Experiment’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/31/john-bolton-open-borders-destroying-the-american-experiment/
Doesn’t John Bolton realize how Latin America is an amazing talent pool for death squad leaders and torturers? What kind of neocon is this guy anyway?
Or, a decade later, in the popular sitcom FAMILY TIES, had Alex P. Keaton sport a woody for the detente-loving, EPA-founding, price-controllin’ disgraced Richard Nixon even while conservative hero Ronald Reagan was the actual sitting President. And I mean that literally, as to this day I still remember some yucky line about Alex having a vision of Nixon on a bear skin rug, possibly naked. Yes, the Reagan myth had not completely solidified by then, but to think young conservatives adored Nixon just because liberals so despised him…. talk about (mirrored) projection.
That, and Nixon was the last Republican president prior to the president when Family Ties was airing. I can't see them wanting to give too much good publicity to Reagan, by letting the show's most popular character worship him endlessly. That is, assuming the creators were libs. It'd be the most natural thing in the world for them to show people they despise, Young Republicans, adoring other people they not only despise but people the rest of the country had been conditioned to despise, like Nixon.Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
The best thing to happen to Broadway in forever is sorta like being the world’s tallest midget. So what?
The Top 40, there’s another pop culture institution that matters less and less to regular people, and pretty much everyone else (including record profiteers), every second. When was the last time you heard anyone humming a number one hit? Okay, maybe you have. I’ll admit it’s possible. But I haven’t for ten years or more.
And also, while being the number 1 hit is not the distinction it used to be, when was the last time an original song from a stage (not movie) musical reached that height? I don't know either but it has to be decades if not ever.
By the way, I believe this is the song the "Hamilton" song replaced—20-something middle-class white man, who has literally painted himself black, sings about (again, quite literally) his neurotic desire to be infantilized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY
*Though pop music is declining in popularity, people also have always tended to get less aware of it as they get older.Replies: @snorlax, @guest
Yes, it’s called political correctness. Welcome to what we’ve all been experiencing for decades.
John Bolton: Open Borders ‘Destroying’ The American ‘Experiment’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/31/john-bolton-open-borders-destroying-the-american-experiment/
Doesn't John Bolton realize how Latin America is an amazing talent pool for death squad leaders and torturers? What kind of neocon is this guy anyway?Replies: @guest
Don’t worry, we can send the torturees to the torturers. Ever heard of a “black site?”
(1) "Serious People" would talk about it no matter what. Miranda's the Great Minority Hope on Broadway, so they'd be chattering about him so long as the show pulled any people in. These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth. Political Correctness is always going to make sure Miranda's works are talked about more than a white gentiles works of similar merit.
(2) Like I said, it could blow over on Miranda, or he could double down and lose his meal ticket. A few more stunts like this and the white gays (both gentile and Jewish) will get very cranky at him. Because they're either auditioning for the shows or seeing their twink boytoys audition for them. But so long as Miranda doesn't push them too hard they should fall back and let him have a little space to whine and be dickish. The Angry Lecturing Minority is a perfectly token to the Left so long as he doesn't seriously start costing them jobs and money.
(3) It could be a marketing scheme by Miranda. Most people outside the Lefty Theater Bubble don't know about modern Musicals, so this controversy drums up some free advertising as well as telegraphing what the show is about ("token minorities playing white historical figures! while rapping!").Replies: @keypusher, @keypusher
(1) Of course his work is going to be more talked about than a white man’s, be he gentile or Jew. But These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth? Don’t be an utter idiot. When every celebrity in New York is trying to fight his way into the Ghostbusters screenings, when the president invites Melissa McCarthy to perform a scene from Ghostbusters in the Rose Garden and then speaks about how the movie illustrates the overlooked contribution of women in the battle against the paranormal, get back to me.
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there’s actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton’s wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it’s about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year’s Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I’m sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/02/swarthy-germans/48324/ All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
The above is Ben Franklin’s version of: “The wogs begin at Calais”
Alex was old enough to actually remember Nixon, however, he could’ve been a childhood hero of his, and for all I know they had flashbacks of him pitching in on the Watergate defense. Plus, his parents probably hated the guy and loving him would be Alex’s way of rebelling.
That, and Nixon was the last Republican president prior to the president when Family Ties was airing. I can’t see them wanting to give too much good publicity to Reagan, by letting the show’s most popular character worship him endlessly. That is, assuming the creators were libs. It’d be the most natural thing in the world for them to show people they despise, Young Republicans, adoring other people they not only despise but people the rest of the country had been conditioned to despise, like Nixon.
(1) "Serious People" would talk about it no matter what. Miranda's the Great Minority Hope on Broadway, so they'd be chattering about him so long as the show pulled any people in. These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth. Political Correctness is always going to make sure Miranda's works are talked about more than a white gentiles works of similar merit.
(2) Like I said, it could blow over on Miranda, or he could double down and lose his meal ticket. A few more stunts like this and the white gays (both gentile and Jewish) will get very cranky at him. Because they're either auditioning for the shows or seeing their twink boytoys audition for them. But so long as Miranda doesn't push them too hard they should fall back and let him have a little space to whine and be dickish. The Angry Lecturing Minority is a perfectly token to the Left so long as he doesn't seriously start costing them jobs and money.
(3) It could be a marketing scheme by Miranda. Most people outside the Lefty Theater Bubble don't know about modern Musicals, so this controversy drums up some free advertising as well as telegraphing what the show is about ("token minorities playing white historical figures! while rapping!").Replies: @keypusher, @keypusher
(1) Of course his work is going to be more talked about than a white man’s, be he gentile or Jew. But These are the same folks who are trying to make Girlbusters a hit movie despite it being the most insulted big budget film since Battlefield Earth? Don’t be an utter idiot. When every celebrity in New York is trying to fight his way into the Ghostbusters screenings, when the president invites Melissa McCarthy to perform a scene from Ghostbusters in the Rose Garden and then speaks about how the movie illustrates the overlooked contribution of women in the battle against the paranormal, get back to me.
This isn’t his first show; he already did In the Heights. It didn’t get 1/100th of the buzz Hamilton has gotten.
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there’s actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton’s wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it’s about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year’s Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I’m sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there's actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton's wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it's about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year's Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I'm sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.Replies: @guest
I think you miss the point about Un-ghostbusters. It’s not that Hamilton exclamation point is as bad as Ghostbusters, but that even as obvious a flop as Ghostbusters will get pushed, for instance by running news stories accusing everyone who doesn’t like the trailer of being sexist. And if they’ll promote the hell out of crap they’ll promote the hell out of mediocre and good-not-great stuff, too. You simply can’t tell anything about quality by what the president endorses nor what the New York Times raves about.
By the way, Girlbusters ran into much more “problematic” trouble by keeping with the original story, as in presumably every other detail except reversing genders, by the black one remaining a non-scientist. Not that Peter Venkman was much of a scientist (more like a game show host). I seem to recall his experiments being designed for picking up girls rather than testing hypotheses. Imagine a black character doing that!
Anyway, it seems Winston Zeddemore is now a veritable Uncle Remus, and any nostalgia-baiting, er, I mean creative updating of his character is racist, or “problematic,” as they say. So it won’t be promoted with a tenth of the vigor of a ten-times worse Hamilton!, because race beats gender.
You can see this often in movie reviews, where Michael Bay and Adam Sandler films are routinely trashed big time, only for millions of common folk to love them and make those guys a mint. The High Cultural Elite don't even have the manners to say "it's not my cup of tea, but I can see its amusement for others." No; it's "anyone who likes this is a moron/evil, why aren't you watching Selma, you proles???"Even when Rome was falling, the High Cultural Elite still enjoyed gladiator matches and chariot racing with the masses.Replies: @Grandpa Jack
Ghostbusters is dreck (as far as I know); I'm perfectly aware of why it's getting promoted anyway; I hope it flops. But I'm not sure it will. The new Star Wars movie was PC bilge, and it was an object lesson in how PC destroys things. In the original trilogy, Luke Skywalker had to develop from someone who could only watch Vader to someone who could give him a good fight to someone who could defeat him. But in the new movie the female lead has to be perfect from the beginning; all that happens is that everyone (including her) realizes how awesome she is. She's stronger than the villain already. I have no idea what they're going to do for the next two movies. But it was a giant hit anyway. So maybe Ghostbusters will be too.
Anyway, don't confuse dreck with quality. Hamilton fits in with the Zeitgeist; so does Ghostbusters. So did The Crucible; it's still great. So is Hamilton.
Steve: latest horrific Trump numbers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/31/nightmare-nominee-nobody-likes-donald-trump-not-even-white-men/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na
Obviously, a large percentage of potential white Hamilton actors are gay. Ditto for the non-white ones, but the black and Hispanic ones try harder to keep up a pretense of being straight while really on-the-down-low.
So the Hamilton creator---who is straight, and who was promoted by the gays and Jews of the NY theater scene as being the Great Minority Sondheim We've All Been Waiting For----is biting the white gentile/Jewish gay hand that fed him and seeking to help out black and Hispanic dudes. It remains to be seen if this is just a momentary bit of infighting and he'll be back in their good graces soon, or whether he's pulling a Spike Lee in Mo' Better Blues and pushing his luck a step too far.Replies: @keypusher, @David
There are few animals on Earth less likely to hide their sexual proclivities than black and hispanic actors in Manhattan.
I’m sure “Hamilton” is quite good.
What’s amusing about it, however, is how baldly it reveals the Spirit of the Age.
Hamilton had always been a figure that Americans have been of two minds about — admired for his enormous IQ and work ethic in the service of his country, while suspected for his un-American plutocratic, aristocratic, elitist, and anti-democratic sentiments.
But now “Hamilton” comes along and makes clear that the dominant mindset in New York today is plutocratic, aristocratic, elitist, and anti-democratic. The only thing worrisome of Hamilton to 21st Century New Yorkers is not his reactionary ideology, but his extreme whiteness. So, by imagining Hamilton as nonwhite, he becomes a non-controversial Hero For Our Age.
Judging by comments that I've read on various PC Lumpengentsia sites, even the Schuyler sisters (Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, Angelica Schuyler Church, and Peggy Schuyler Van Rensselaer) have been given dispensation. Which is pretty impressive, considering that they were the children of Philip Schuyler and Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler......Replies: @guest
I’m from Iowa and Hoover was the only President from that state (West Branch). He had a superb record of accomplishment prior to being elected President, although Calvin Coolidge did not like him. Hoover is in the Australian Mining Hall of Fame, which never mentions that he was President of the United States. He put his personal fortune on the line to feed Belgian civilians in the early part of World War I. Roosevelt despised him, but Harry Truman called him back into some kind of government service during his Administration. Maybe we could use a man like him again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/31/nightmare-nominee-nobody-likes-donald-trump-not-even-white-men/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_naReplies: @iSteveFan
Great, now we can all cease with the anti-Trump stories, editorials and tirades. We can start to direct attention to the other candidates and start to investigate what they are hiding. We can also ignore Trump rallies and let his dwindling supporters attend them without fanfare.
This is interesting because it distinguishes Hamilton from the other Founders, and thus differentiates him from those Founders born in America. This is important because liberals and proposition-nation types like to say that the USA is a 'nation of immigrants'. They say that we are ALL immigrants except of course for the natives.
I recall Patrick Buchanan writing against this prevailing notion that we are a nation of immigrants by explaining that our Founders for the most part were not immigrants. He pointed out how George Washington, his father and his grandfather had all been born in Virginia. He argued many Founders had similar stories, and thus we were not a nation of immigrants. Rather these were for the most part born and bred Americans who fought to establish a separate nation.
Now by promoting the notion that Hamilton was an immigrant, which he was, as opposed to the other Founders who were not, the liberals are acknowledging what Buchanan and probably most of us on this blog have always believed, namely that we are most definitely not a nation of immigrants. After all if we were a nation of immigrants then there would be no need to distinguish Hamilton from the others.
PS. As a footnote we've just been told that the European-born terrorists of Paris and Brussels have nothing to do with immigration. So I suppose that fact along with this new found love of Hamilton the immigrant serves to confirm that the USA is definitely not a nation of immigrants.Replies: @Jack D, @The Fra, @syonredux
More of an asterisk immigrant. Hamilton was born a British subject. Hence, his arrival in the British colony of New York was a form of internal migration.It really doesn’t correspond to what we think of as immigration today.
This isn't his first show; he already did In the Heights. It didn't get 1/100th of the buzz Hamilton has gotten.
(2) Like I told you already, how Hamilton is being cast, how it has been cast since it opened, is already universally known (there's actually one other white person in it now, the actress who plays Hamilton's wife). The idea that a clumsily worded casting notice is going to cause a shred of trouble for Miranda is sheer fantasy. Like so many cultural institutions, Broadway is deeply ashamed of its whiteness, and grateful to Miranda precisely because he created a hit show with an almost entirely non-white cast. The fact that it's about a historically important figure, as opposed to this year's Peter Pan derivative, is so much the better.
White gays, Jews, Hispanics and blacks are not going to come to blows over Hamilton. Ever. Sorry.
(3) See above. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS GETTING CAST IN THIS SHOW. I'm sure Miranda never saw the @%@*( notice in the first place.
God, you make me ashamed to be a racist.Replies: @whorefinder
Ooh, wittle boy wants to fight. :
(1).
Yeah, um, if you think that is the ONLY way to prove the Left is pushing something, you’re dumber than you sound:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/03/03/ghostbusters-trailer-destroys-patriarchy-melissa-mccarthy-paul-feig-kristen-wiig-leslie-jones-kate-mckinnon-chris-hemsworth/81258406/
QED.
(2)
Yeah right—Miranda and his producers aren’t trying to give a finger to whitey again. They aren’t trying to emphasize how white “is not allowed” on their show. Also, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert completely unbiased. (/sarcasm)
As I stated, the Left is happy if Miranda can be the Token Angry Minority Lecturer, but only if his hand-biting doesn’t take too many jobs and money from the good whites.
You really don’t think things through, do you?
Why would I be sorry? I don’t give a rat’s behind about some silly-little anti-whitey, blackwashing musical. This isn’t about getting blacks/hispanics to go. This is about Miranda giving the finger to whitey. A la Spike Lee.
(3)
ROFL. Yeah, on the eve of launching nationally a show that’s gotten great Lefty Theater Buzz, Miranda and his producers aren’t trying to gin up some buzz outside the blue-state eliters. Nope, not trying for controversy-creates-cash at all. smh. I’ll bet you also believe the NWA guys were really gang leader-thugs and that every country singer was born on a farm and wears a cowboy hat at home.
Man, you’re so dumb you make me ashamed to be a racist. Also, protip: learn to use blockquoting and italics.
Franklin was a staunch Anglo-Saxon chauvinist/patriot. He didn’t see why the British Empire needed to allow in large numbers of lesser breeds.
“Miranda can be the Token Angry Minority Lecturer”
You’re missing the point that Miranda is the Token Well-Read, Pro-Social, Pro-Wall Street Minority who turned a giant biography by Ron Chernow into a cool hip-hop musical about how the prototypical financier New Yorker Founding Father was actually, when you squint just right, Diverse. Thus “Hamilton” is beloved by past and present Secretaries of the Treasury, such as Lew, Geithner, and Paulson.
Exactly. I don’t know of anytime before in our nation’s history when the High Cultural Elite were so divorced in taste (or ostensible taste) from that the rabble, and had such open hostility to the commoner’s taste.
Many people (notably Vox Day) have foreseen the U.S. breaking apart into several nation states because the regions are so culturally separate from one another. That seems very likely. Washington or Jefferson or Adams or Lincoln or FDR or Kennedy or Teddy Roosevelt never had such a dislike for the common man as to eschew everything the rabble liked; heck, each of them confessed like for some common things, and respected the locals even when tastes disagreed. Now, the idea that Obama or Clinton or Jeb Bush would enjoy, say, a Larry the Cable Guy routine or a Jeff Foxworthy set is farfetched and laughable, and the idea that might just bother to respect a dude’s like of NASCAR or hunting is unbelievable. I’ll bet part of Clinton’s emails is just memes of “People of Walmart” and redneck jokes.
You can see this often in movie reviews, where Michael Bay and Adam Sandler films are routinely trashed big time, only for millions of common folk to love them and make those guys a mint. The High Cultural Elite don’t even have the manners to say “it’s not my cup of tea, but I can see its amusement for others.” No; it’s “anyone who likes this is a moron/evil, why aren’t you watching Selma, you proles???”
Even when Rome was falling, the High Cultural Elite still enjoyed gladiator matches and chariot racing with the masses.
RE: Hamilton’s status as an honorary non-White (surely a highly coveted thing in this day and age),
Judging by comments that I’ve read on various PC Lumpengentsia sites, even the Schuyler sisters (Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, Angelica Schuyler Church, and Peggy Schuyler Van Rensselaer) have been given dispensation. Which is pretty impressive, considering that they were the children of Philip Schuyler and Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler……
Plus, there’s the implicit social uplift message:
Agree; see also SPQR.
Oh, I agree. Any real conservative would have said Calvin Coolidge, which scans perfectly.
A blue-collar New Yorker of rightist sympathies would have offered up Al Smith. Taylor Caldwell comes to mind. She said the election of Smith would have been the best thing for America, as FDR would never have come to power.
Well given how popular Hamilton is now becoming among a certain class, the only thing left is for Donald Trump to announce that once he is elected he will remove Hamilton from the $10 bill.
Victorian Americans regularly called their colonial settler forebears “our immigrant ancestor[s]”. The word had a looser meaning then. Just like “Junior”, which could refer to any younger man of the same name, even if unrelated. “Nephew” could be almost anybody, at least anybody male.
Languages change. Sometimes even improve.
It’s “Hamilton,” not “Hamilton!” And it’s incredible. As Steve pointed out, a lot of the reasons it’s getting pushed have nothing to do with its merits, but that doesn’t make it any worse.
Ghostbusters is dreck (as far as I know); I’m perfectly aware of why it’s getting promoted anyway; I hope it flops. But I’m not sure it will. The new Star Wars movie was PC bilge, and it was an object lesson in how PC destroys things. In the original trilogy, Luke Skywalker had to develop from someone who could only watch Vader to someone who could give him a good fight to someone who could defeat him. But in the new movie the female lead has to be perfect from the beginning; all that happens is that everyone (including her) realizes how awesome she is. She’s stronger than the villain already. I have no idea what they’re going to do for the next two movies. But it was a giant hit anyway. So maybe Ghostbusters will be too.
Anyway, don’t confuse dreck with quality. Hamilton fits in with the Zeitgeist; so does Ghostbusters. So did The Crucible; it’s still great. So is Hamilton.
A blue-collar New Yorker of rightist sympathies would have offered up Al Smith. Taylor Caldwell comes to mind. She said the election of Smith would have been the best thing for America, as FDR would never have come to power.Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder
Wouldn’t have fit the agenda. Despite being played by the uber-Irish Carroll O’Connor, Archie Bunker was an anti-Catholic WASP. Hence, he would never have supported Al Smith.
It would have made more sense to make Archie Bunker a German American instead of an English American, because Germans are the largest White group in New York City who are not part of the 3 I's, (Italy, Israel, and Ireland).
There are not a lot of WASPs in New York City when limiting it to it's most strict narrow definition which is people who draw either most or their entire ancestry back to England.
I resemble that remark.Replies: @Jefferson
A blue-collar New Yorker of rightist sympathies would have offered up Al Smith. Taylor Caldwell comes to mind. She said the election of Smith would have been the best thing for America, as FDR would never have come to power.Replies: @syonredux, @whorefinder
Al Smith was a Catholic; Archie was a WASP protestant prole. He probably wouldn’t have done it, unless he said something about forgiving Al his Catholicism or making a joke about the Pope.
That, and Nixon was the last Republican president prior to the president when Family Ties was airing. I can't see them wanting to give too much good publicity to Reagan, by letting the show's most popular character worship him endlessly. That is, assuming the creators were libs. It'd be the most natural thing in the world for them to show people they despise, Young Republicans, adoring other people they not only despise but people the rest of the country had been conditioned to despise, like Nixon.Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
I think it’s much simpler than that – Reagan was popular but Nixon wasn’t
Washington, Jefferson, etc. - not immigrants because they were born in the American colonies
Belgian and French terrorists - born in Belgium/France but are still immigrants and not Belgian/French.
Which one is right?Replies: @Mr. Anon, @AnAnon
On the one hand, you have a group of people who want to build a nation, and are in fact members of that nation. On the other hand, a group of people who want to destroy a nation, and obviously aren’t a member of that nation.
The director tells them, "Hey, it's color-blind casting" and the kid replies, "it's Fiddler on the Roof!" as the camera pans to he and his brother wearing Jewish wigs with forelocks.Replies: @Michelle
That’s funny!!
Does sex even matter? If there was a play about Ceaser Chavez could they cast a lesbian Native-American in the lead role? Are they on some bent to destroy historical context?
I want to see them produce a play about Eleanor Roosevelt cast as an trans-gendered African-American male.Replies: @JVO, @ben tillman
I wouldn’t be surprised.
The writers were aware of that; the purpose was to make blue-collar viewers feel like they were in on the joke instead of being mocked.
I’m in my 20’s, so I hear people humming them a decent amount,* although usually it’s the less successful types (Latinos LOVE top-40 pop music). “Hamilton” from my and others’ anecdotal experience is quite the phenomenon with upper-middle-class white teenage girls and their mothers—i.e. no longer the typical pop radio audience, so its chart placement might be more meaningful than most.
And also, while being the number 1 hit is not the distinction it used to be, when was the last time an original song from a stage (not movie) musical reached that height? I don’t know either but it has to be decades if not ever.
By the way, I believe this is the song the “Hamilton” song replaced—20-something middle-class white man, who has literally painted himself black, sings about (again, quite literally) his neurotic desire to be infantilized:
*Though pop music is declining in popularity, people also have always tended to get less aware of it as they get older.
If Hamilton! has broken through, that's something. It might actually even be good, despite the ridiculousness of the premise. But I have the feeling it's got a narrow, upper middle class New York appeal, and has nothing to do with the mass popularity of Broadway's past.
And also, while being the number 1 hit is not the distinction it used to be, when was the last time an original song from a stage (not movie) musical reached that height? I don't know either but it has to be decades if not ever.
By the way, I believe this is the song the "Hamilton" song replaced—20-something middle-class white man, who has literally painted himself black, sings about (again, quite literally) his neurotic desire to be infantilized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY
*Though pop music is declining in popularity, people also have always tended to get less aware of it as they get older.Replies: @snorlax, @guest
I’ll add that the demography of the “Hamilton” phenomenon also speaks to the degree that white millennials have infantilized themselves as a defense mechanism. When was the last time that upper-middle-class white teenage girls listened to music that their mothers approved of? It has to predate radio.
Didn’t the musical (American opera) “Porgy and Bess” feature an all black cast and run successfully on Broadway?
I object to the racism of this casting. I will boycott this play until they have a cast that looks like me.
“Wouldn’t have fit the agenda. Despite being played by the uber-Irish Carroll O’Connor, Archie Bunker was an anti-Catholic WASP. Hence, he would never have supported Al Smith.”
It would have made more sense to make Archie Bunker a German American instead of an English American, because Germans are the largest White group in New York City who are not part of the 3 I’s, (Italy, Israel, and Ireland).
There are not a lot of WASPs in New York City when limiting it to it’s most strict narrow definition which is people who draw either most or their entire ancestry back to England.
It’s like we’re going back to the old minstrel shows. With blackface being a capital hate crime, YT need not apply.
Per Box Office Mojo:
Annie (1982) adjusted gross: $158,561,900
Karate Kid (1984) adjusted gross: $213,254,400
Annie (1982) adjusted gross: $158,561,900
Karate Kid (1984) adjusted gross: $213,254,400Replies: @njguy73
Thanks.
Judging by comments that I've read on various PC Lumpengentsia sites, even the Schuyler sisters (Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, Angelica Schuyler Church, and Peggy Schuyler Van Rensselaer) have been given dispensation. Which is pretty impressive, considering that they were the children of Philip Schuyler and Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler......Replies: @guest
Why is that significant? Because they were rich slave owners? Makes about as much sense as them liking Hamilton for no reason.
Which goes to show that the PC Left doesn't mind super-rich, super-elite White people. It's poor and middle class Whites from flyover states that they loathe and despise.
And also, while being the number 1 hit is not the distinction it used to be, when was the last time an original song from a stage (not movie) musical reached that height? I don't know either but it has to be decades if not ever.
By the way, I believe this is the song the "Hamilton" song replaced—20-something middle-class white man, who has literally painted himself black, sings about (again, quite literally) his neurotic desire to be infantilized:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXRviuL6vMY
*Though pop music is declining in popularity, people also have always tended to get less aware of it as they get older.Replies: @snorlax, @guest
I’ll admit it’s probably been a while since Broadway was anywhere near a hit pop song, so it’s significant. But it’s also a low bar. I’ve heard of Wicked, for instance, but couldn’t sing you a single bar. I am familiar with one song from Rent. To get to entire songs I have to go back to Andrew Lloyd Webber and Les Miserables. That’s how pathetic is Broadway’s impact on the larger culture.
If Hamilton! has broken through, that’s something. It might actually even be good, despite the ridiculousness of the premise. But I have the feeling it’s got a narrow, upper middle class New York appeal, and has nothing to do with the mass popularity of Broadway’s past.
Because Philip Schuyler and Catherine Van Rensselaer Schuyler are about as elite as you can get in 18th century Anglo-America.
Which goes to show that the PC Left doesn’t mind super-rich, super-elite White people. It’s poor and middle class Whites from flyover states that they loathe and despise.
What about a casting call for a remake of “Jesus Christ Superstar”, asking for only Jews, no other religions need apply. After all Jesus and his crew were all members of the tribe. Well, maybe one Italian looking guy to play Pilate.
Yeah, but no Ashkenazi Jews. Just Mizrahi Jews. More authentic that way.
“Archie was a WASP protestant prole.” A lot of those in LA, St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore, not so many in NYC. A White Protestant loading dock foreman in NYC would most likely be German Lutheran (like Trump’s grandfather). There was an episode of either All in the Family or Archie Bunker’s Place where Archie suspects a priest of trying to get Edith to convert. The priest is Edith’s friend’s parish priest. As the conversation goes along, finally the priest advises Archie to talk the situation over with his own pastor. Archie says,”Oh, Reverend [German sounding surname]. He’s made more Catholics outta Protestants than you ever could, Father. ”
Was the cultural dissonance of played by Carroll O’ Connor, New York bred Archie being a N. European Protestant also meant for this purpose? (I know the “hero” of the predecessor British show was Protestant and mocked the Pope; I only remember 2 Anti-Catholic jibes from Archie.)
“uber-Irish”
I resemble that remark.
I resemble that remark."
Do you have that blue collar Irish attitude like Denis Leary?Replies: @Hibernian, @Brutusale
“Sure, Linklater’s new movie is about Texas college baseball players in 1980. I was there.”
Judging by the trailer, the Three Dog Night/Doobie Brothers 1970s looking mustache was still popular in 1980 among White men.
I resemble that remark.Replies: @Jefferson
“uber-Irish”
I resemble that remark.”
Do you have that blue collar Irish attitude like Denis Leary?
Of course, discrimination towards whites is just one of those alt-right paranoid fantasies- The friggin’ president of the US couldn’t possibly be ignoring white people (who make up 2/3 of the country) when he calls a ‘non-white cast’ a cast that is ‘as diverse as America itself’ or says that they ‘remind us that this nation was built by more than just a few great men — and that it is an inheritance that belongs to all of us’.
Another Orwellian speak word is ‘nonwhites’. This seems to be a term invented by lefty whites to help keep the Coalition of the Fringes together by thinking of themselves as one big aggrieved group. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, they think of themselves instinctively as Blacks, Hispanics, Asians. In fact, the second two groups instinctively think even smaller. Hispanics amongst themselves split over whether they are from Mexico, the Carribbean, etc. Try asking a Puerto Rican about what they are going to do on Cinco de Mayo and see what they say.
Asians (unless they grew up in the US) consider it profoundly important where they are from and still keep up the old rivalries. It has been said that they have to split up Asians in jail by nationality or they will kill each other.
Were they left without the direction of their white leftist elites, the Coalition of the Fringes would last about two weeks…
Reminds me when Anthony Anderson told a 95 to 99 percent Black audience at the BET awards that this is what diversity looks like, this is what America looks like.
No Negro, that is what East St. Louis looks like.
You can see this often in movie reviews, where Michael Bay and Adam Sandler films are routinely trashed big time, only for millions of common folk to love them and make those guys a mint. The High Cultural Elite don't even have the manners to say "it's not my cup of tea, but I can see its amusement for others." No; it's "anyone who likes this is a moron/evil, why aren't you watching Selma, you proles???"Even when Rome was falling, the High Cultural Elite still enjoyed gladiator matches and chariot racing with the masses.Replies: @Grandpa Jack
Used to be that a movie or tv show that received high acclaim was one you could depend on as being pretty good when trying to decide which one to see. Now critical acclaim is so often about whether a work promotes a current leftist ideal like making the hero gay, etc. that you really can’t rely on most of the critics for anything about what realistically one would consider quality anymore. Its like living in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China where a work that gets praised is one where the hero is a selfless laborer who tirelessly toils 60 hours a week in a factory or field for the benefit of the state.
I try.
I resemble that remark."
Do you have that blue collar Irish attitude like Denis Leary?Replies: @Hibernian, @Brutusale
I try.
“Of course, discrimination towards whites is just one of those alt-right paranoid fantasies- The friggin’ president of the US couldn’t possibly be ignoring white people (who make up 2/3 of the country) when he calls a ‘non-white cast’ a cast that is ‘as diverse as America itself’”
Reminds me when Anthony Anderson told a 95 to 99 percent Black audience at the BET awards that this is what diversity looks like, this is what America looks like.
No Negro, that is what East St. Louis looks like.
I resemble that remark."
Do you have that blue collar Irish attitude like Denis Leary?Replies: @Hibernian, @Brutusale
Let me know when you meet an Irish-American WITHOUT that attitude.
Not sure how to respond to this interpretation…
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/why-everybody-wants-some-is-accidentally-gay.html
“The Herbert Hoover line in the Archie Bunker theme song never made any sense.”
Archie and Edith must have been fans of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand, with their “Didn’t Need No Welfare State, Everybody Pulled His Weight”.