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From ABC News:

Police: 5-year-old girl burned in voodoo ritual; 2 charged

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
EAST BRIDGEWATER, Mass. — Feb 3, 2018, 1:57 PM ET

Two sisters tied down and burned a 5-year-old girl, permanently disfiguring her, in a voodoo ritual meant to rid her of a demon causing her to misbehave, police said. The women also threatened to cut off the head of the girl’s 8-year-old brother with a machete, authorities said.

… Peggy LaBossiere, 51, and Rachel Hilaire, 40, of East Bridgewater, denied injuring the girl and threatening the boy, the Brockton Enterprise reported.

Police say the girl’s mother is a hair stylist of Haitian descent who has LaBossiere as a client and requested the ritual. …

Voodoo refers to religious practices developed centuries ago by enslaved Africans in the Caribbean, primarily in Haiti, where the practices are sometimes spelled “vodou.”

 
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  1. In some parts of the multiverse, this trick might have worked.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @El Dato

    So they burned a child to remove demons? Sounds like pretty standard treatment to me.
    How do YOU propose to get rid of a demon,college boy?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  2. The older woman in the story, Rachel Hilaire, resembles former DNC chair Donna Brazile.

  3. Aren’t there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise ‘demons’? Granted they don’t use fire.

    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @anony-mouse

    Probably. Because only white people have agency.

    , @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?
     
    Get with program, dear fellow. In multi-culti America, it's all about syncretism:

    Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo (November 1, 1962 – May 6, 1989) was a Cuban-American serial killer, drug dealer, and cult leader of an infamous gang dubbed by the media as The Narcosatanists (Spanish: "Los Narcosatánicos").[1] His cult members nicknamed him The Godfather ("El Padrino"). He was reportedly responsible for the murder of Mark Kilroy, an American student killed in Matamoros in 1989, along with several other cult killings.
     

    Constanzo was born in Miami, Florida to Delia Aurora Gonzalez, a Cuban immigrant mother in 1962. She gave birth to Adolfo at the age of 15 and eventually had three children, by different fathers. She moved to San Juan, Puerto Rico, after her first husband died, and remarried there. Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou.[2] The family returned to Miami in 1972 and his stepfather died soon after, leaving the family with some money. As a teenager, Constanzo became apprenticed to a local sorcerer and began to practice a religion called Palo Mayombe, which involves animal sacrifice.
     

    Constanzo began to believe that his magic spells, many of which he took from Palo Mayombe, were responsible for the success of the cartels and demanded to become a full business partner with one of the most powerful families he knew, the Calzadas. When his demand was rejected, seven family members disappeared. Their bodies turned up later with fingers, toes, ears, brains, and even (in one case) the spine missing.[3] Constanzo soon made friends with a new cartel, the Hernandez brothers. He also took up with a young woman named Sara Aldrete, who became the high priestess of the cult.

    In 1988, Constanzo moved to Rancho Santa Elena, a house in the desert. It is there where he carried out more sadistic ritual murders, sometimes of strangers and other times of rival drug dealers. He also used the ranch to store huge shipments of cocaine and marijuana.[3]


    On March 13, 1989, Constanzo's henchmen abducted a pre-med student, Mark Kilroy, from outside a Mexican bar and took him back to the ranch. Kilroy was a U.S. citizen who had been in Mexico on spring break. When Kilroy was brought to the ranch, Constanzo murdered him. Under pressure from Texan politicians, Mexican police initially picked up four of Constanzo's followers, including two of the Hernandez brothers.[4] Police quickly discovered the cult and that Constanzo had been responsible for Kilroy's death; he sought a "good"/superior brain for one of his ritual spells. Officers raided the ranch and discovered Constanzo's cauldron, which contained various items such as a dead black cat and a human brain.[4] Fifteen mutilated corpses were dug up at the ranch, one of them Kilroy's.[4] Officials said Kilroy was killed by Constanzo with a machete chop to the back of the neck when Kilroy tried to escape about 12 hours after being taken to the ranch.[5]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

    Replies: @Anon

    , @syonredux
    @anony-mouse

    And then there's Pablo "They" Gomez's Mayan-Aztec-Catholic human sacrifice ceremony:


    Schmitt said Gomez talked passionately about a midnight ceremony Gomez had planned for the night ahead for Día de Los Reyes, or Three Kings Day. The ceremony is also called Epiphany.

    Gomez talked during the drive about having had visions and spiritual transformations, and described the upcoming ceremony as an important spiritual event in their Mexican indigenous culture.

     

    Later that night, at UC Berkeley’s Afro House student cooperative, Gomez brought a number of items to be used for the ceremony, including a bandana, a flower and a lighter. They laid the items out in a sort of altar, Schmitt recalled. …

    … Some of the friends, including Gomez, went “to smoke.” …

    About an hour later, Gomez appeared suddenly and was obviously “distressed,” Schmitt said. A scarf was draped over their body. They wore no shirt or pants, and were barefoot. …

    “They ran up to my car, motioned for me to open the door and then they got in,” she said, of Gomez. She noticed that Gomez’s hair, which had been waist-length the prior night, had been cut very short. When Schmitt called her friend by the name “Pablo,” Gomez answered, “I’m not Pablo. I’m Ray now,” according to her testimony.

     
    "Ray" or "Rey?"

    Schmitt said Gomez was “talking to themselves, muttering,” and told her, “Oh, there’s a woman in the sky. Can you see her?”

     

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/pablo-they-gomez-ordered-to-stand-trial-for-murder-in-berkeley/?highlight=gomez


    Obligatory Kipling quote:


    Kipling’s “The Stranger”:

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.
    , @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse


    Aren’t there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise ‘demons’? Granted they don’t use fire.

    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?
     

    Certainly. Just like native Indians learned to scalp people alive from common british settlers.

    Indeed, Benjamin Franklin, in his early years, loved nothing more that riding out into local wilderness areas bare-back, to return with assorted Indian scalps. He even rallied to have the practice canonized in our constitution, but it was sacrificed, oddly, for the amendment for the right to bear arms.

    Later, as Voo Doo mania blanketed western Europe, noted authors such as Charles Dickens produced literature for the ages, chock full of exciting Voo Doo episodes amongst his memorable characters. From "A Christmas Carol," the reader will be delighted with the satisfying ending of a revitalized Ebenezer Scrooge delivering the evenly browned corpse of poorly-behaved Tiny Tim to his amazed and delighted relatives.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @anony-mouse


    Aren’t there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise ‘demons’? Granted they don’t use fire.
     
    You don't NEED fire, we do it humanely - this is the 1st world still, dammit. In America, we start with stretches and jumping jacks, as you don't want to overexert the demons at the begining of an excerising. Then, we get them working on the abs, then the rest of the torso. It's on to pushups and squats. People sometimes think it's inhumane torture, but we often make 'em run a quarter-mile even when it's raining out.

    Hatians, doing the exorcising that Americans just won't do, even though they should, for cardio reasons alone.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @anony-mouse

    No. I actually know a little bit about it, and while it takes a few loan elements from Christianity, its pretty far out. For starters, there's a notion of "riding the loa" to invite a spirit to possess oneself and that's extremely distant from Christian notions; for a Western comparison, you probably have to go back as far as the oracles of Delphi for something similar. Its definitely pagan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou

    Replies: @J.Ross

  4. Last Saturday’s fatal Brooklyn fire started by voodoo sex rite

    A wild candlelit sex ritual between a Brooklyn woman and her voodoo priest got so hot and heavy, they ended up torching their clothes and sheets — sparking the nasty fire that killed a retired teacher and left 100 people homeless last week, sources said yesterday.

    https://nypost.com/2011/02/26/last-saturdays-fatal-brooklyn-fire-started-by-voodoo-sex-rite/

  5. Witch doctors have dreams, too. #SOTU

  6. @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    Probably. Because only white people have agency.

  7. Mr. Porter may be dead, but he’s not gone.

  8. Well, we just gotta be more tolerant. Other peoples have different rituals, like…

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/959687381732483078

    A society that believes in the voodoo of 50 genders and promotes the lunacy of tattoos and piercings has lost its immunity to lunacies of other cultures. Sickness attracts sickness.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Anon

    If you look at the photos of Mastropietro from an image search, she looks like a typical girl that age, who has been taught that fulfillment comes from riding the cock carousel. No father ever kept her in line or protected her modesty, because progessives destroyed that culture. With predictable results.

    Instead she was encouraged to engage in a risky lifestyle and probably never warned about the dangers of strange men, because avoiding rape (and murder) wasn't her responsibility, and the males of her family interfering in her relationships was not allowed. Society was supposed to teach men not to rape and murder. What could go wrong?

    , @Hippopotamusdrome, @El Dato
    @Anon

    "H.P. Lovecraft: Reality shock reporter!"

  9. In Somalia, they exorcise demons by leaving the possessed alone in a room with a hyena. (This is actually brilliant: “LET ME OUT YOU GUYS I WAS KIDDING!”) An Imam was recently videotaped striking a woman with a small table to free her from demons.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @J.Ross

    It's kind of a shame. If it weren't for Arabs and their brand of Islam, it would probably be a step up for a lot of peoples.

  10. Immigrants. Performing the ritual mutilations Americans won’t do.

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  11. Two sisters tied down and burned a 5-year-old girl, permanently disfiguring her, in a voodoo ritual meant to rid her of a demon causing her to misbehave, police said.

    I guess it doesn’t get much more vibrant and diverse than that. Diversity is our strength!

  12. The cult of multi-culti strikes again. Maybe a craven public defender will invoke the documented strange history of The Bridgewater Triangle, where this primitive, savage (and feckless) ritual took place: https://www.google.com/search?q=bridgewater+triangle&oq=bridgewater+tr&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.6646j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 At least they didn’t send her to bed without dinner. Isn’t the point of emigration to leave a shithole behind – not create a new one? On a more hopeful note: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-01/arms-german-small-arms-ownership-soars-85-under-2-years

  13. I thought this one was going to be dateline: South Floriduh.

    • Agree: bomag
  14. @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Get with program, dear fellow. In multi-culti America, it’s all about syncretism:

    Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo (November 1, 1962 – May 6, 1989) was a Cuban-American serial killer, drug dealer, and cult leader of an infamous gang dubbed by the media as The Narcosatanists (Spanish: “Los Narcosatánicos”).[1] His cult members nicknamed him The Godfather (“El Padrino”). He was reportedly responsible for the murder of Mark Kilroy, an American student killed in Matamoros in 1989, along with several other cult killings.

    Constanzo was born in Miami, Florida to Delia Aurora Gonzalez, a Cuban immigrant mother in 1962. She gave birth to Adolfo at the age of 15 and eventually had three children, by different fathers. She moved to San Juan, Puerto Rico, after her first husband died, and remarried there. Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou.[2] The family returned to Miami in 1972 and his stepfather died soon after, leaving the family with some money. As a teenager, Constanzo became apprenticed to a local sorcerer and began to practice a religion called Palo Mayombe, which involves animal sacrifice.

    Constanzo began to believe that his magic spells, many of which he took from Palo Mayombe, were responsible for the success of the cartels and demanded to become a full business partner with one of the most powerful families he knew, the Calzadas. When his demand was rejected, seven family members disappeared. Their bodies turned up later with fingers, toes, ears, brains, and even (in one case) the spine missing.[3] Constanzo soon made friends with a new cartel, the Hernandez brothers. He also took up with a young woman named Sara Aldrete, who became the high priestess of the cult.

    In 1988, Constanzo moved to Rancho Santa Elena, a house in the desert. It is there where he carried out more sadistic ritual murders, sometimes of strangers and other times of rival drug dealers. He also used the ranch to store huge shipments of cocaine and marijuana.[3]

    On March 13, 1989, Constanzo’s henchmen abducted a pre-med student, Mark Kilroy, from outside a Mexican bar and took him back to the ranch. Kilroy was a U.S. citizen who had been in Mexico on spring break. When Kilroy was brought to the ranch, Constanzo murdered him. Under pressure from Texan politicians, Mexican police initially picked up four of Constanzo’s followers, including two of the Hernandez brothers.[4] Police quickly discovered the cult and that Constanzo had been responsible for Kilroy’s death; he sought a “good”/superior brain for one of his ritual spells. Officers raided the ranch and discovered Constanzo’s cauldron, which contained various items such as a dead black cat and a human brain.[4] Fifteen mutilated corpses were dug up at the ranch, one of them Kilroy’s.[4] Officials said Kilroy was killed by Constanzo with a machete chop to the back of the neck when Kilroy tried to escape about 12 hours after being taken to the ranch.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

    • Replies: @Anon
    @syonredux

    So this American immigrant to Mexico ...

    Replies: @syonredux

  15. @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    And then there’s Pablo “They” Gomez’s Mayan-Aztec-Catholic human sacrifice ceremony:

    Schmitt said Gomez talked passionately about a midnight ceremony Gomez had planned for the night ahead for Día de Los Reyes, or Three Kings Day. The ceremony is also called Epiphany.

    Gomez talked during the drive about having had visions and spiritual transformations, and described the upcoming ceremony as an important spiritual event in their Mexican indigenous culture.

    Later that night, at UC Berkeley’s Afro House student cooperative, Gomez brought a number of items to be used for the ceremony, including a bandana, a flower and a lighter. They laid the items out in a sort of altar, Schmitt recalled. …

    … Some of the friends, including Gomez, went “to smoke.” …

    About an hour later, Gomez appeared suddenly and was obviously “distressed,” Schmitt said. A scarf was draped over their body. They wore no shirt or pants, and were barefoot. …

    “They ran up to my car, motioned for me to open the door and then they got in,” she said, of Gomez. She noticed that Gomez’s hair, which had been waist-length the prior night, had been cut very short. When Schmitt called her friend by the name “Pablo,” Gomez answered, “I’m not Pablo. I’m Ray now,” according to her testimony.

    “Ray” or “Rey?”

    Schmitt said Gomez was “talking to themselves, muttering,” and told her, “Oh, there’s a woman in the sky. Can you see her?”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/pablo-they-gomez-ordered-to-stand-trial-for-murder-in-berkeley/?highlight=gomez

    Obligatory Kipling quote:

    Kipling’s “The Stranger”:

    The Stranger within my gate,
    He may be true or kind,
    But he does not talk my talk–
    I cannot feel his mind.
    I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
    But not the soul behind.

    The men of my own stock,
    They may do ill or well,
    But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
    They are used to the lies I tell;
    And we do not need interpreters
    When we go to buy or sell.

    The Stranger within my gates,
    He may be evil or good,
    But I cannot tell what powers control–
    What reasons sway his mood;
    Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
    Shall repossess his blood.

    The men of my own stock,
    Bitter bad they may be,
    But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
    And see the things I see;
    And whatever I think of them and their likes
    They think of the likes of me.

    This was my father’s belief
    And this is also mine:
    Let the corn be all one sheaf–
    And the grapes be all one vine,
    Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
    By bitter bread and wine.

  16. Miami has its own little Haiti area, complete with those vodou stores where the enterprising tourist can buy a shrunken head, a few chicken bones, feathers or similar artifacts. Neighborhood protocol seems to involve parking large sedans outside retail shops and hanging around all day. How the merchants make a living is somewhat murky.

    If you have to visit, try the Cuban coffee (embraced by many cultures, and the Cubans are just more entrepreneurial) as that is one of the better aspects of Miami street life.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Ivy

    I prefer to get my chicken bones at KFC, because they come wrapped in delicious fried chicken.

    , @Lot
    @Ivy

    "Cuban coffee" is just espresso with tons of sugar. Not impressed the multiple times I tried at different places.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Anonymous

  17. Sort of related: From a sympathetic but truthful article about a volunteer’s experience at a Greek refugee camp that also has economic migrants seeking refugee status.

    Every refugee in the camp has to make a case for why he deserves asylum. And there are strict legal guidelines…If you can prove that you were fleeing war or political or religious persecution, you have a chance. Everyone has a story. Some are believable, others less so. Razz, a young Nigerian, told me he had fled a secret cult of witchdoctors who tried to recruit him into their coven, then stabbed and left him for dead.

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/31/saw-world-inside-greek-refugee-camp/

  18. Ladies and Gentlemen, Cultural Enrichment! Voodoo makes us stronger.

  19. @Ivy
    Miami has its own little Haiti area, complete with those vodou stores where the enterprising tourist can buy a shrunken head, a few chicken bones, feathers or similar artifacts. Neighborhood protocol seems to involve parking large sedans outside retail shops and hanging around all day. How the merchants make a living is somewhat murky.

    If you have to visit, try the Cuban coffee (embraced by many cultures, and the Cubans are just more entrepreneurial) as that is one of the better aspects of Miami street life.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Lot

    I prefer to get my chicken bones at KFC, because they come wrapped in delicious fried chicken.

  20. @Ivy
    Miami has its own little Haiti area, complete with those vodou stores where the enterprising tourist can buy a shrunken head, a few chicken bones, feathers or similar artifacts. Neighborhood protocol seems to involve parking large sedans outside retail shops and hanging around all day. How the merchants make a living is somewhat murky.

    If you have to visit, try the Cuban coffee (embraced by many cultures, and the Cubans are just more entrepreneurial) as that is one of the better aspects of Miami street life.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Lot

    “Cuban coffee” is just espresso with tons of sugar. Not impressed the multiple times I tried at different places.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Lot

    Caffeine and sugar are two fun vices. YMMV

    Replies: @larry lurker

    , @Anonymous
    @Lot

    Pretty much the same with Turkish coffee btw.

  21. @Anon
    Well, we just gotta be more tolerant. Other peoples have different rituals, like...

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/959687381732483078

    A society that believes in the voodoo of 50 genders and promotes the lunacy of tattoos and piercings has lost its immunity to lunacies of other cultures. Sickness attracts sickness.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Hippopotamusdrome, @El Dato

    If you look at the photos of Mastropietro from an image search, she looks like a typical girl that age, who has been taught that fulfillment comes from riding the cock carousel. No father ever kept her in line or protected her modesty, because progessives destroyed that culture. With predictable results.

    Instead she was encouraged to engage in a risky lifestyle and probably never warned about the dangers of strange men, because avoiding rape (and murder) wasn’t her responsibility, and the males of her family interfering in her relationships was not allowed. Society was supposed to teach men not to rape and murder. What could go wrong?

  22. Voodoo or hoodoo has ancient roots in ancient African animism

    It played a crucial role on Haiti triumphing over white supremacy

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck


    It played a crucial role on Haiti triumphing over white supremacy.
     
    That was just dumb timing, the benchmark in African logic.

    If the French made it their mission at the time to clear out Haiti, they could have eradicated them in a couple of months, with no difficulties. Unfortunately for the world, the French hadn't the prescience to foretell what evil would grow from the wild parasitical seeds they allowed to be planted the day those makeshift national flags consisting of skinned mulatto and white babies were struck.

    And now Haiti is a veritable wasteland. They only reason their neighbor, the Dominican Republic is a lush forest next to a de facto African Shithole is because they have a martial policy against Haitian immigration, with no apologies.

    Tiny, the first step to mitigating pathological lying, is to admit you have the problem. As a self-described person of African descent, statistics show you have that problem "baked in."

    Good luck with that.
    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Somewhat related, the practitioners of Santería engage in ritual animal torture and the Social Grievance Whiners don't make a peep, because racism.

  23. These Massholes imported from a shytehole are some hardcore Patriots fans. This was obviously a culturally enriching ritual to ensure a Super Bowl Victory for The Pats, enabling Brady to retire & defeat Fauxcahontas in senate race.

    Note off topic: Trump’s counterpunching may be infectious, and seems people are starting to give the Bolshevik left a dose of its own medicine : Sarah silvermans sisters private home advertised as lodging for illegals in Israel, Rep. Nunez very strong retorts to Adam Schaffer/jerod Nader ; and looks like some pervert accusations, real or imagined coming against Adam Schiff ( standard hotel/ kali hotel).
    Use of ridicule against left is also effective, as they have no sense of humor.

  24. I have a neighbor who is “possessed.” She’s a terror to everyone living in the vicinity. I’d happily hire a vodou priest to exorcise her in the vodou manner. Whether or not it really removes the demon isn’t my concern. What it boils down to is that she deserves a vodou exorcism, and if she got one she might learn her lesson and leave the rest of us alone.

    That’s how it works, you know.

    We civilized folks use our own sort of vodou. We have our own priests. They’re called judges and the exorcisms are called trials.

    Sure, they generally work better, but fundamentally it’s the same idea.

  25. @El Dato
    In some parts of the multiverse, this trick might have worked.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    So they burned a child to remove demons? Sounds like pretty standard treatment to me.
    How do YOU propose to get rid of a demon,college boy?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Father O'Hara

    Oh, man, LOL (wasn't really expecting to for this sick story).

    Father, did you used to be the crew chief for the Black Sheep squadron, you know, Pappy Boyington's old unit?

  26. @J.Ross
    In Somalia, they exorcise demons by leaving the possessed alone in a room with a hyena. (This is actually brilliant: "LET ME OUT YOU GUYS I WAS KIDDING!") An Imam was recently videotaped striking a woman with a small table to free her from demons.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    It’s kind of a shame. If it weren’t for Arabs and their brand of Islam, it would probably be a step up for a lot of peoples.

  27. Anonymous [AKA "CHD"] says:
    @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    Aren’t there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise ‘demons’? Granted they don’t use fire.

    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Certainly. Just like native Indians learned to scalp people alive from common british settlers.

    Indeed, Benjamin Franklin, in his early years, loved nothing more that riding out into local wilderness areas bare-back, to return with assorted Indian scalps. He even rallied to have the practice canonized in our constitution, but it was sacrificed, oddly, for the amendment for the right to bear arms.

    Later, as Voo Doo mania blanketed western Europe, noted authors such as Charles Dickens produced literature for the ages, chock full of exciting Voo Doo episodes amongst his memorable characters. From “A Christmas Carol,” the reader will be delighted with the satisfying ending of a revitalized Ebenezer Scrooge delivering the evenly browned corpse of poorly-behaved Tiny Tim to his amazed and delighted relatives.

  28. Anonymous [AKA "zdb"] says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Voodoo or hoodoo has ancient roots in ancient African animism

    It played a crucial role on Haiti triumphing over white supremacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    It played a crucial role on Haiti triumphing over white supremacy.

    That was just dumb timing, the benchmark in African logic.

    If the French made it their mission at the time to clear out Haiti, they could have eradicated them in a couple of months, with no difficulties. Unfortunately for the world, the French hadn’t the prescience to foretell what evil would grow from the wild parasitical seeds they allowed to be planted the day those makeshift national flags consisting of skinned mulatto and white babies were struck.

    And now Haiti is a veritable wasteland. They only reason their neighbor, the Dominican Republic is a lush forest next to a de facto African Shithole is because they have a martial policy against Haitian immigration, with no apologies.

    Tiny, the first step to mitigating pathological lying, is to admit you have the problem. As a self-described person of African descent, statistics show you have that problem “baked in.”

    Good luck with that.

  29. @Lot
    @Ivy

    "Cuban coffee" is just espresso with tons of sugar. Not impressed the multiple times I tried at different places.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Anonymous

    Caffeine and sugar are two fun vices. YMMV

    • Replies: @larry lurker
    @Ivy

    An Irish coffee has all four of the essentials: fat, sugar, caffeine and alcohol.

  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    History accelerating in Brazil. Or maybe dystory as dystopian history.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/woman-raped-tortured-had-ovaries-ripped-out-by-cannibal-gang-who-ate-her-killed-husband-1656551

    Aronofsky’s MOTHER is essential viewing. It has the most powerful strum-und-drang accelerationist vision of history. The mounting madness when the wheels come off, a momentum that can’t be stopped. A nightmare of nightmares. World War Z is kidstuff by comparison.

    Western history is turning into like a dark version of the train that couldn’t but could or something.

    Every kid has seen this cartoon. A train struggles up an hill and it’s not sure if it can make it. It struggles so very hard. That is the like the building of America.

    And then, there’s the triumph and the train moves down easy. And it’s supposed to be a happy story.

    But what about the brakes? Once a train starts accelerating and catching too much speed, the brakes can give out and then, there is no stopping it.

    American reached the peak in the 60s in wealth and good times. And whites threw caution to the winds in too much celebration. The train made it to the top of the mountain and it was easy coasting from there on… except no one knew how to stop the train as it kept speeding downward..

    Until the 60s, US history was one of a people who were struggling to rise about rest of humanity. Since the 60s, it is about being pulled down by the gravitational force of all of humanity who want what’s on the train. This diving into humanity may seem easy and exciting, but it will derail, crash, and burn.

  31. Google “africa witch burning”.

    It is understandable. Haitians exterminated all white people 200 years ago then banned white migration and land ownership. By removing themselves from white civilizing and moderating influences for over two centuries, they were able to preserve and even re-establish the native customs of their African homelands undisturbed by Western influences.

    I don’t think this is what the Founders had in mind by”Freedom of Religion”.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @Big Bill

    It will be interesting to see how the USA Roman Catholic Bishops will react to these incidents. Haiti is a "Roman Catholic" country. In Cuba, black Cubans practice Santeria (a mixture of RCC and voodoo practices). https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Skulls-Bones-Found-in-Bridgeport-Santeria-Priests-Apartment-367521001.html

    https://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade/slaughtered-horse-remains-found-in-wooded-area-in-northwest-miami-dade

    I remember reading an article several years ago where an RCC bishop stated that the immigrants from Latin America were going to teach American RCCers how to be better Catholics. I wonder if this will affect their attitude towards illegal RCC immigrants?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  32. @Lot
    @Ivy

    "Cuban coffee" is just espresso with tons of sugar. Not impressed the multiple times I tried at different places.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Anonymous

    Pretty much the same with Turkish coffee btw.

  33. @Tiny Duck
    Voodoo or hoodoo has ancient roots in ancient African animism

    It played a crucial role on Haiti triumphing over white supremacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Somewhat related, the practitioners of Santería engage in ritual animal torture and the Social Grievance Whiners don’t make a peep, because racism.

  34. Sounds like the mumbo-jumbo treatment went wrong, but then again psychiatrists in the US were doing lobotomies as recently as the 1960s, and these women were probably not charging anywhere close to what a psychiatrist would bill.

    If they are not charged with exorcism without a license, they might be able to get hired by US Gymnastics.

    Hard to get any real details on the case from the reports available online, but I would not be surprised if the child had a developmental disorder. Apparently the child’s mother is under psychiatric treatment. That is Obamacare for you!

    And, after all, what is the point of religious freedom if you don’t allow people with unpopular religions to practice their religion. I have heard of one that is common in the US where the people drink real blood and eat human flesh in their ceremonies.

  35. @35 Jonathan Mason: “And, after all, what is the point of religious freedom if you don’t allow people with unpopular religions to practice their religion. I have heard of one that is common in the US where the people drink real blood and eat human flesh in their ceremonies.”

    Real smooth, Mason, and so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo. That’s why you and your compatriots are so beloved in America and around the world.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @3g4me

    Communion is OK because we all know it is bread and wine.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @3g4me


    ... so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo.
     
    I would have thought that the point was more that any religion will sound pretty kooky if described in unsympathetic and hostile terms.

    Vodouisants believe in a Supreme God called Bondye, which comes from the French words for 'good' and "god". Vodouisants believe, quite practically, that God is pretty much inaccessible and must be approached through intermediaries. They do sometimes sacrifice animals, a common practice in the Jewish religion at the time of Jesus, and they believe in life after death, establishing permanent residence in heaven after a period of a year and a day of wandering around, so again a bit like Jesus who haunted his disciples for a while before the Ascension to sit at the right hand of God.

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah's witnessing, vodou doesn't seem so far from the mainstream.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  36. More demons at Unz.com right here right now.

    Very first line:

    ‘The government of the United States is clearly in demonic hands.’

    https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-nuclear-posture-review/

    It’s demons all over.

  37. Came across this story. We lost A) A Swede B) A left-wing radical C) A feminist D) A Green Party member and E) A true believer in unlimited immigration in,one might say ,one fell swoop.
    It was a good day.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Father O'Hara

    Was there meant to be a link there?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Father O'Hara

  38. Is Haitian voodoo really just their inner mojo being released at large?

  39. Well, you gotta distinguish patterns if any, for occult freak-outs, from structural vibrancy — people get stabbed or shot because of “Slenderman” or “The Catcher in the Rye” too. But are Haitians really more disorderly than other Caribbean blacks (or U.S. Piedmont/Miss. Basin-variety)

  40. As that great old mid 20th century standard, covered by Sinatra etc goes, ‘….that old black magic….’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Reminds me of a time 40 years ago when the first generation of black soccer players were making their impact felt in the English league.
    BBC TV news showing edited 'soccer highlights' in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying 'Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal' to footage of a black player scoring a goal. Journalists loved that phrase so much that it inevitably and invariably accompanied any footage of a black player.
    It suddenly stopped however. An excerpt from some lefty play having a black actor strongly criticising that 'smug, patronising bullshit, of the phrase was broadcast one day, and the journalists, suitably chastened, never uttered it again.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jonathan Mason

  41. Cultural enrichment and vibrancy, as recommended by The Economist, practised to the nth degree.

  42. You’re supposed to celebrate diversity, not criticise it. You all should be ashamed of your white selves!

  43. @Anon
    Well, we just gotta be more tolerant. Other peoples have different rituals, like...

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/959687381732483078

    A society that believes in the voodoo of 50 genders and promotes the lunacy of tattoos and piercings has lost its immunity to lunacies of other cultures. Sickness attracts sickness.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Hippopotamusdrome, @El Dato

  44. To be fair, the other children will have motivation to behave now. “I’m beginning to suspect a demon is causing you to misbehave. You don’t have a demon, do you? No? Good, now eat your brussels sprouts.”

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    As that great old mid 20th century standard, covered by Sinatra etc goes, '....that old black magic....'.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Reminds me of a time 40 years ago when the first generation of black soccer players were making their impact felt in the English league.
    BBC TV news showing edited ‘soccer highlights’ in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying ‘Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal’ to footage of a black player scoring a goal. Journalists loved that phrase so much that it inevitably and invariably accompanied any footage of a black player.
    It suddenly stopped however. An excerpt from some lefty play having a black actor strongly criticising that ‘smug, patronising bullshit, of the phrase was broadcast one day, and the journalists, suitably chastened, never uttered it again.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Why can't have nice fun any more.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    BBC TV news showing edited ‘soccer highlights’ in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying ‘Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal’ to footage of a black player scoring a goal.
     
    I thought it was "Nice one, Cyrille!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yp6_a7nIgQ
  46. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Reminds me of a time 40 years ago when the first generation of black soccer players were making their impact felt in the English league.
    BBC TV news showing edited 'soccer highlights' in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying 'Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal' to footage of a black player scoring a goal. Journalists loved that phrase so much that it inevitably and invariably accompanied any footage of a black player.
    It suddenly stopped however. An excerpt from some lefty play having a black actor strongly criticising that 'smug, patronising bullshit, of the phrase was broadcast one day, and the journalists, suitably chastened, never uttered it again.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jonathan Mason

    Why can’t have nice fun any more.

  47. A cop friend from a vibrant town told me they come across mutilated goats and other animals frequently. They just dump them on the street when they are done. He thinks it is Santeria. Does that qualify as a Native American religion?

  48. Anonymous [AKA "Mondo Afreekan"] says:

    Meanwhile, a Nigerian illegal immigrant residing in Italy recently accosted an Italian teen girl, murdered her, then cut her up into tiny little pieces and stored her in two separate boxes.

    Italian police managed to put it all together, and apprehended the fiend.
    She looked like a kind girl. Photo of her in link provided:

    http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/cronache/macerata-18enne-fatta-pezzi-fermato-spacciatore-nigeriano-1489362.html

  49. HEY! wasn’t a voodoo ritual performed at the White House about nine years ago, I demand to know if any chickens were harmed!

  50. @Father O'Hara
    Came across this story. We lost A) A Swede B) A left-wing radical C) A feminist D) A Green Party member and E) A true believer in unlimited immigration in,one might say ,one fell swoop.
    It was a good day.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Was there meant to be a link there?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Lurker

    I could be wrong, but I think the Father is mentioning the same story that is linked to in comment #28 above.

    "... lost their heads over .."
    "...one fell swoop."

    You guys are killing me. I am not worthy!

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Lurker

    Sorry! I thought I had linked to "wren",no. 28 in the comments. He told a story of a Swedish Green Party member beheaded in the Congo,while trying to do good. My humor might be in bad taste,after all a white women was savagely murdered, but she was so dedicated to the destruction of our society that I won't shed a tear.

  51. @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    Isn’t it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?
     
    Get with program, dear fellow. In multi-culti America, it's all about syncretism:

    Adolfo de Jesús Constanzo (November 1, 1962 – May 6, 1989) was a Cuban-American serial killer, drug dealer, and cult leader of an infamous gang dubbed by the media as The Narcosatanists (Spanish: "Los Narcosatánicos").[1] His cult members nicknamed him The Godfather ("El Padrino"). He was reportedly responsible for the murder of Mark Kilroy, an American student killed in Matamoros in 1989, along with several other cult killings.
     

    Constanzo was born in Miami, Florida to Delia Aurora Gonzalez, a Cuban immigrant mother in 1962. She gave birth to Adolfo at the age of 15 and eventually had three children, by different fathers. She moved to San Juan, Puerto Rico, after her first husband died, and remarried there. Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou.[2] The family returned to Miami in 1972 and his stepfather died soon after, leaving the family with some money. As a teenager, Constanzo became apprenticed to a local sorcerer and began to practice a religion called Palo Mayombe, which involves animal sacrifice.
     

    Constanzo began to believe that his magic spells, many of which he took from Palo Mayombe, were responsible for the success of the cartels and demanded to become a full business partner with one of the most powerful families he knew, the Calzadas. When his demand was rejected, seven family members disappeared. Their bodies turned up later with fingers, toes, ears, brains, and even (in one case) the spine missing.[3] Constanzo soon made friends with a new cartel, the Hernandez brothers. He also took up with a young woman named Sara Aldrete, who became the high priestess of the cult.

    In 1988, Constanzo moved to Rancho Santa Elena, a house in the desert. It is there where he carried out more sadistic ritual murders, sometimes of strangers and other times of rival drug dealers. He also used the ranch to store huge shipments of cocaine and marijuana.[3]


    On March 13, 1989, Constanzo's henchmen abducted a pre-med student, Mark Kilroy, from outside a Mexican bar and took him back to the ranch. Kilroy was a U.S. citizen who had been in Mexico on spring break. When Kilroy was brought to the ranch, Constanzo murdered him. Under pressure from Texan politicians, Mexican police initially picked up four of Constanzo's followers, including two of the Hernandez brothers.[4] Police quickly discovered the cult and that Constanzo had been responsible for Kilroy's death; he sought a "good"/superior brain for one of his ritual spells. Officers raided the ranch and discovered Constanzo's cauldron, which contained various items such as a dead black cat and a human brain.[4] Fifteen mutilated corpses were dug up at the ranch, one of them Kilroy's.[4] Officials said Kilroy was killed by Constanzo with a machete chop to the back of the neck when Kilroy tried to escape about 12 hours after being taken to the ranch.[5]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

    Replies: @Anon

    So this American immigrant to Mexico …

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anon


    So this American immigrant to Mexico …
     
    Cuban immigrant to Mexico:

    Constanzo was born in Miami, Florida to Delia Aurora Gonzalez, a Cuban immigrant mother in 1962. She gave birth to Adolfo at the age of 15 and eventually had three children, by different fathers. She moved to San Juan, Puerto Rico, after her first husband died, and remarried there. Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou.
     
  52. @3g4me
    @35 Jonathan Mason: "And, after all, what is the point of religious freedom if you don’t allow people with unpopular religions to practice their religion. I have heard of one that is common in the US where the people drink real blood and eat human flesh in their ceremonies."

    Real smooth, Mason, and so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity - one of the three pillars of Western Civilization - with voodoo. That's why you and your compatriots are so beloved in America and around the world.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jonathan Mason

    Communion is OK because we all know it is bread and wine.

  53. Hardly anyone seems aware of it, and even fewer will speak of it, but Haiti’s founding actually involved the leaders’ literally entering a pact with the Devil himself. If you are religiously inclined, that should disturb you for obvious reasons. If you are irreligious, it should disturb you for Haitians’ credulity and support of harmful, superstitious hoakum.

  54. @Anon
    Well, we just gotta be more tolerant. Other peoples have different rituals, like...

    https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/959687381732483078

    A society that believes in the voodoo of 50 genders and promotes the lunacy of tattoos and piercings has lost its immunity to lunacies of other cultures. Sickness attracts sickness.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Hippopotamusdrome, @El Dato

    “H.P. Lovecraft: Reality shock reporter!”

  55. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Years ago a real estate agent told me, sotto voce of course, that if you don’t want to live near The Element, move to a neighborhood that’s adjacent to a cemetery. They HATE cemeteries! Too many…er…spooks. Don’t know if this still holds as they may have gotten woke in that department.

  56. Immigration………….the real “voo-doo economics”.

  57. @Father O'Hara
    @El Dato

    So they burned a child to remove demons? Sounds like pretty standard treatment to me.
    How do YOU propose to get rid of a demon,college boy?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh, man, LOL (wasn’t really expecting to for this sick story).

    Father, did you used to be the crew chief for the Black Sheep squadron, you know, Pappy Boyington’s old unit?

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s so obvious what’s happening. So, why do these progs keep pushing Diversity?

    They are not looking for solutions. They just love the ‘radical’ rush of thumbing their noses at everyone else. They have a slash-and-burn mentality to world affairs. No thought to long-term effects of their positions.

    And these slash-and-burners exist on both ‘left’ and ‘right’. On the ‘left’, they rushed through the new order in South Africa without thinking things through. On the ‘right’, they rushed through the privatization(or piratization) of the Russian economy in the 90s and ‘spreading democracy’ in the Middle East.

    In their wake, things end up worse than before. Now, reforms and even big changes were necessary in South Africa, Middle East, and Russia, but these slash-and-burners either wanna feel the rush of easy virtue or grab as much as loot as they can before they the house of cards falls. They are either emotionally infantile or politically nihilistic.

    Syria and Ukraine were tragic cases where the ‘left’ and ‘right’ converged. The Neocons and Obamites working together as masters of chaos to slash and burn new territories for easy loot and rhetoric.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Anonymous

    Michael Ledeen calls it "creative destruction." Or you might call it Trotskyism. Or neo-conservatism.

    The strange convergence of the establishment Left and Right is an under-remarked phenomenon.

  59. @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    Aren’t there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise ‘demons’? Granted they don’t use fire.

    You don’t NEED fire, we do it humanely – this is the 1st world still, dammit. In America, we start with stretches and jumping jacks, as you don’t want to overexert the demons at the begining of an excerising. Then, we get them working on the abs, then the rest of the torso. It’s on to pushups and squats. People sometimes think it’s inhumane torture, but we often make ’em run a quarter-mile even when it’s raining out.

    Hatians, doing the exorcising that Americans just won’t do, even though they should, for cardio reasons alone.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As crazy as this voodoo crap is, the reigning ideology and methodology of America as empire is hardly above voodoo thinking.

    How else did the US go from War on Terror to aiding Alqaeda elements in Syria against secular leader Assad?

    And how did we get a ‘new cold war’ on the basis that Russia is New Naziland for not allowing homo parades?

    And it’s funny. George H.W. Bush once called Reaganomics ‘voodoo economics’. But his son gave us the housing bubble economics, which was some serious doodoo if not voodoo.

  61. @Lurker
    @Father O'Hara

    Was there meant to be a link there?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Father O'Hara

    I could be wrong, but I think the Father is mentioning the same story that is linked to in comment #28 above.

    “… lost their heads over ..”
    “…one fell swoop.”

    You guys are killing me. I am not worthy!

  62. In any case, the Mohammadan version of Voodoo seems rather effective.

  63. @Big Bill
    Google "africa witch burning".

    It is understandable. Haitians exterminated all white people 200 years ago then banned white migration and land ownership. By removing themselves from white civilizing and moderating influences for over two centuries, they were able to preserve and even re-establish the native customs of their African homelands undisturbed by Western influences.

    I don't think this is what the Founders had in mind by"Freedom of Religion".

    Replies: @attilathehen

    It will be interesting to see how the USA Roman Catholic Bishops will react to these incidents. Haiti is a “Roman Catholic” country. In Cuba, black Cubans practice Santeria (a mixture of RCC and voodoo practices). https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Skulls-Bones-Found-in-Bridgeport-Santeria-Priests-Apartment-367521001.html

    https://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade/slaughtered-horse-remains-found-in-wooded-area-in-northwest-miami-dade

    I remember reading an article several years ago where an RCC bishop stated that the immigrants from Latin America were going to teach American RCCers how to be better Catholics. I wonder if this will affect their attitude towards illegal RCC immigrants?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @attilathehen

    You can track down RCC growth in the US and compare it to the numbers for Central American immigration. They don't support the Church's thesis. The image Ross Douthat has in his head of pious abuelas in chapel veils hasn't been the reality for quite some time.

    Syncretism was historically a big concern of the Church; the hierarchy back in Europe resisted homegrown bishops in the Americas for a long time. This, for example, is just plain wrong:
    [quote] Gomez had planned for the night ahead for Día de Los Reyes, or Three Kings Day. The ceremony is also called Epiphany.[/quote]
    And now there's the increasingly popular Day of the Dead and Santa Muerte, a syncretization of All Saints. That one probably ends up pretty badly.

    Replies: @attilathehen

  64. Police say the girl’s mother is a hair stylist of Haitian descent who has LaBossiere as a client and requested the ritual. …

    IOW abortion in the 23rd trimester.

  65. @Lurker
    @Father O'Hara

    Was there meant to be a link there?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Father O'Hara

    Sorry! I thought I had linked to “wren”,no. 28 in the comments. He told a story of a Swedish Green Party member beheaded in the Congo,while trying to do good. My humor might be in bad taste,after all a white women was savagely murdered, but she was so dedicated to the destruction of our society that I won’t shed a tear.

  66. @3g4me
    @35 Jonathan Mason: "And, after all, what is the point of religious freedom if you don’t allow people with unpopular religions to practice their religion. I have heard of one that is common in the US where the people drink real blood and eat human flesh in their ceremonies."

    Real smooth, Mason, and so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity - one of the three pillars of Western Civilization - with voodoo. That's why you and your compatriots are so beloved in America and around the world.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jonathan Mason

    … so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo.

    I would have thought that the point was more that any religion will sound pretty kooky if described in unsympathetic and hostile terms.

    Vodouisants believe in a Supreme God called Bondye, which comes from the French words for ‘good’ and “god”. Vodouisants believe, quite practically, that God is pretty much inaccessible and must be approached through intermediaries. They do sometimes sacrifice animals, a common practice in the Jewish religion at the time of Jesus, and they believe in life after death, establishing permanent residence in heaven after a period of a year and a day of wandering around, so again a bit like Jesus who haunted his disciples for a while before the Ascension to sit at the right hand of God.

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jonathan Mason


    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.
     
    Yes, that's why Haiti and Utah are so similar.....
    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    "When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream."

    Also, those side-car and quasi religions don't come anywhere close to matching the fiscal contribution voo doo has made to the american entertainment industry.

    I'm looking at you, Zombies!

    Interestingly, American Black Folks, reparationists, and possibly even Tiny Duck, seem entirely uninterested in taking any credit for it, even when it's origin is readily conceded. That's somehow strange to me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGwb5FK7zAg

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jonathan Mason


    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.
     
    Yes, and Muslims, Buddhists, and Zoroastrians are just like voodoo practitioners. And mestizos and Uighurs and Norwegians are all just indistinguishable immigrants to America.

    Please tell me you are not a chef - nor even a cook, but if you are, please tell me where you work.
  67. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Reminds me of a time 40 years ago when the first generation of black soccer players were making their impact felt in the English league.
    BBC TV news showing edited 'soccer highlights' in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying 'Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal' to footage of a black player scoring a goal. Journalists loved that phrase so much that it inevitably and invariably accompanied any footage of a black player.
    It suddenly stopped however. An excerpt from some lefty play having a black actor strongly criticising that 'smug, patronising bullshit, of the phrase was broadcast one day, and the journalists, suitably chastened, never uttered it again.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Jonathan Mason

    BBC TV news showing edited ‘soccer highlights’ in the sports section, would invariably have a smug journalist saying ‘Cyril Regis (etc) shows some of that old black magic with that tasty goal’ to footage of a black player scoring a goal.

    I thought it was “Nice one, Cyrille!”

  68. @Anon
    @syonredux

    So this American immigrant to Mexico ...

    Replies: @syonredux

    So this American immigrant to Mexico …

    Cuban immigrant to Mexico:

    Constanzo was born in Miami, Florida to Delia Aurora Gonzalez, a Cuban immigrant mother in 1962. She gave birth to Adolfo at the age of 15 and eventually had three children, by different fathers. She moved to San Juan, Puerto Rico, after her first husband died, and remarried there. Constanzo was baptized Catholic and served as an altar boy, but also accompanied his mother on trips to Haiti to learn about Vodou.

  69. @Jonathan Mason
    @3g4me


    ... so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo.
     
    I would have thought that the point was more that any religion will sound pretty kooky if described in unsympathetic and hostile terms.

    Vodouisants believe in a Supreme God called Bondye, which comes from the French words for 'good' and "god". Vodouisants believe, quite practically, that God is pretty much inaccessible and must be approached through intermediaries. They do sometimes sacrifice animals, a common practice in the Jewish religion at the time of Jesus, and they believe in life after death, establishing permanent residence in heaven after a period of a year and a day of wandering around, so again a bit like Jesus who haunted his disciples for a while before the Ascension to sit at the right hand of God.

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah's witnessing, vodou doesn't seem so far from the mainstream.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.

    Yes, that’s why Haiti and Utah are so similar…..

  70. @Ivy
    @Lot

    Caffeine and sugar are two fun vices. YMMV

    Replies: @larry lurker

    An Irish coffee has all four of the essentials: fat, sugar, caffeine and alcohol.

  71. Anonymous [AKA "skyma"] says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @3g4me


    ... so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo.
     
    I would have thought that the point was more that any religion will sound pretty kooky if described in unsympathetic and hostile terms.

    Vodouisants believe in a Supreme God called Bondye, which comes from the French words for 'good' and "god". Vodouisants believe, quite practically, that God is pretty much inaccessible and must be approached through intermediaries. They do sometimes sacrifice animals, a common practice in the Jewish religion at the time of Jesus, and they believe in life after death, establishing permanent residence in heaven after a period of a year and a day of wandering around, so again a bit like Jesus who haunted his disciples for a while before the Ascension to sit at the right hand of God.

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah's witnessing, vodou doesn't seem so far from the mainstream.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    “When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.”

    Also, those side-car and quasi religions don’t come anywhere close to matching the fiscal contribution voo doo has made to the american entertainment industry.

    I’m looking at you, Zombies!

    Interestingly, American Black Folks, reparationists, and possibly even Tiny Duck, seem entirely uninterested in taking any credit for it, even when it’s origin is readily conceded. That’s somehow strange to me:

  72. @Jonathan Mason
    @3g4me


    ... so atypical for a member of your particular tribe to conflate Christianity – one of the three pillars of Western Civilization – with voodoo.
     
    I would have thought that the point was more that any religion will sound pretty kooky if described in unsympathetic and hostile terms.

    Vodouisants believe in a Supreme God called Bondye, which comes from the French words for 'good' and "god". Vodouisants believe, quite practically, that God is pretty much inaccessible and must be approached through intermediaries. They do sometimes sacrifice animals, a common practice in the Jewish religion at the time of Jesus, and they believe in life after death, establishing permanent residence in heaven after a period of a year and a day of wandering around, so again a bit like Jesus who haunted his disciples for a while before the Ascension to sit at the right hand of God.

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah's witnessing, vodou doesn't seem so far from the mainstream.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    When compared to Pentecostalism and snake handling religions in the US, or even to Mormonism and Jehovah’s witnessing, vodou doesn’t seem so far from the mainstream.

    Yes, and Muslims, Buddhists, and Zoroastrians are just like voodoo practitioners. And mestizos and Uighurs and Norwegians are all just indistinguishable immigrants to America.

    Please tell me you are not a chef – nor even a cook, but if you are, please tell me where you work.

  73. @attilathehen
    @Big Bill

    It will be interesting to see how the USA Roman Catholic Bishops will react to these incidents. Haiti is a "Roman Catholic" country. In Cuba, black Cubans practice Santeria (a mixture of RCC and voodoo practices). https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Skulls-Bones-Found-in-Bridgeport-Santeria-Priests-Apartment-367521001.html

    https://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade/slaughtered-horse-remains-found-in-wooded-area-in-northwest-miami-dade

    I remember reading an article several years ago where an RCC bishop stated that the immigrants from Latin America were going to teach American RCCers how to be better Catholics. I wonder if this will affect their attitude towards illegal RCC immigrants?

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    You can track down RCC growth in the US and compare it to the numbers for Central American immigration. They don’t support the Church’s thesis. The image Ross Douthat has in his head of pious abuelas in chapel veils hasn’t been the reality for quite some time.

    Syncretism was historically a big concern of the Church; the hierarchy back in Europe resisted homegrown bishops in the Americas for a long time. This, for example, is just plain wrong:
    [quote] Gomez had planned for the night ahead for Día de Los Reyes, or Three Kings Day. The ceremony is also called Epiphany.[/quote]
    And now there’s the increasingly popular Day of the Dead and Santa Muerte, a syncretization of All Saints. That one probably ends up pretty badly.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Good points about syncretism. Ross Douthat is a convert so he's a believer right now. It's different for me because my family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the RCC does not work for blacks/Asians. The RCC is a Caucasian/European construct. Another thing is IQ, which is tied to race. If you are RCC, the belief is that the communion wafer can change people. It can change very few people. It definitely does not work for blacks/Asians. This is why the RCC is collapsing. Biology is coming into direct conflict with beliefs (the RCC is a belief system) and biology is winning. RCC Haiti, El Salvador, the Philippines are perfect examples of this. In the USA, we have odd groups like Mormons, Southern Baptists. These beliefs do not work outside the USA. But the people who comprise these groups are Caucasians/Europeans and hence they are better morally and they have low crime rates compared to blacks/Asians. Look at Shinto/Buddhist Japan. Intelligent people with low crime rates. Biology first, beliefs second.

    I'm still a Christian because as a Western woman the principles are best for me. Fortunately, we have the Orthodox churches which are racial/ethnic so a new church will have to be fashioned for the West.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753

  74. @Anonymous
    It's so obvious what's happening. So, why do these progs keep pushing Diversity?

    They are not looking for solutions. They just love the 'radical' rush of thumbing their noses at everyone else. They have a slash-and-burn mentality to world affairs. No thought to long-term effects of their positions.

    And these slash-and-burners exist on both 'left' and 'right'. On the 'left', they rushed through the new order in South Africa without thinking things through. On the 'right', they rushed through the privatization(or piratization) of the Russian economy in the 90s and 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East.

    In their wake, things end up worse than before. Now, reforms and even big changes were necessary in South Africa, Middle East, and Russia, but these slash-and-burners either wanna feel the rush of easy virtue or grab as much as loot as they can before they the house of cards falls. They are either emotionally infantile or politically nihilistic.

    Syria and Ukraine were tragic cases where the 'left' and 'right' converged. The Neocons and Obamites working together as masters of chaos to slash and burn new territories for easy loot and rhetoric.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Michael Ledeen calls it “creative destruction.” Or you might call it Trotskyism. Or neo-conservatism.

    The strange convergence of the establishment Left and Right is an under-remarked phenomenon.

  75. @anony-mouse
    Aren't there Whites in America who gather around and try to, er, exorcise 'demons'? Granted they don't use fire.

    Isn't it likely that the Black Haitians got these ideas from others?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Daniel Chieh

    No. I actually know a little bit about it, and while it takes a few loan elements from Christianity, its pretty far out. For starters, there’s a notion of “riding the loa” to invite a spirit to possess oneself and that’s extremely distant from Christian notions; for a Western comparison, you probably have to go back as far as the oracles of Delphi for something similar. Its definitely pagan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Daniel Chieh

    Have you read the Serpent and the Rainbow and if so what is your opinion of it?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  76. @Daniel Chieh
    @anony-mouse

    No. I actually know a little bit about it, and while it takes a few loan elements from Christianity, its pretty far out. For starters, there's a notion of "riding the loa" to invite a spirit to possess oneself and that's extremely distant from Christian notions; for a Western comparison, you probably have to go back as far as the oracles of Delphi for something similar. Its definitely pagan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Have you read the Serpent and the Rainbow and if so what is your opinion of it?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @J.Ross

    Afraid not, I'll check it out!

    Replies: @J.Ross

  77. Haiti is far worse than a shithole, it’s a hellhole! Ask any Haitian. Or better, any Dominican.

  78. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @attilathehen

    You can track down RCC growth in the US and compare it to the numbers for Central American immigration. They don't support the Church's thesis. The image Ross Douthat has in his head of pious abuelas in chapel veils hasn't been the reality for quite some time.

    Syncretism was historically a big concern of the Church; the hierarchy back in Europe resisted homegrown bishops in the Americas for a long time. This, for example, is just plain wrong:
    [quote] Gomez had planned for the night ahead for Día de Los Reyes, or Three Kings Day. The ceremony is also called Epiphany.[/quote]
    And now there's the increasingly popular Day of the Dead and Santa Muerte, a syncretization of All Saints. That one probably ends up pretty badly.

    Replies: @attilathehen

    Good points about syncretism. Ross Douthat is a convert so he’s a believer right now. It’s different for me because my family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the RCC does not work for blacks/Asians. The RCC is a Caucasian/European construct. Another thing is IQ, which is tied to race. If you are RCC, the belief is that the communion wafer can change people. It can change very few people. It definitely does not work for blacks/Asians. This is why the RCC is collapsing. Biology is coming into direct conflict with beliefs (the RCC is a belief system) and biology is winning. RCC Haiti, El Salvador, the Philippines are perfect examples of this. In the USA, we have odd groups like Mormons, Southern Baptists. These beliefs do not work outside the USA. But the people who comprise these groups are Caucasians/Europeans and hence they are better morally and they have low crime rates compared to blacks/Asians. Look at Shinto/Buddhist Japan. Intelligent people with low crime rates. Biology first, beliefs second.

    I’m still a Christian because as a Western woman the principles are best for me. Fortunately, we have the Orthodox churches which are racial/ethnic so a new church will have to be fashioned for the West.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @attilathehen

    I've often wondered how history would have turned out if the Catholic Church had dispensed autocephaly instead of trying to run everything from the Italian peninsula.

    , @BB753
    @attilathehen

    The problem a Western Orthodox faces is a dead-end. Are you gonna choose a Greek, a Serbian, a Romanian, a Russian church when you have no roots in those nations and can't even speak the languages, not to mention that you dont understand a word of Old Church Slavonian or Koiné Greek, used in rituals?

    Replies: @attilathehen

  79. Only slightly OT: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sjw-destroy-everything/

    No more male God references, lesbian detransitioning, and more!

  80. I’ll just leave this here.

    If Immigrants Are Pushed Out, Who Will Help the Elderly?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/health/illegal-immigrants-caregivers.html

  81. @attilathehen
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Good points about syncretism. Ross Douthat is a convert so he's a believer right now. It's different for me because my family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the RCC does not work for blacks/Asians. The RCC is a Caucasian/European construct. Another thing is IQ, which is tied to race. If you are RCC, the belief is that the communion wafer can change people. It can change very few people. It definitely does not work for blacks/Asians. This is why the RCC is collapsing. Biology is coming into direct conflict with beliefs (the RCC is a belief system) and biology is winning. RCC Haiti, El Salvador, the Philippines are perfect examples of this. In the USA, we have odd groups like Mormons, Southern Baptists. These beliefs do not work outside the USA. But the people who comprise these groups are Caucasians/Europeans and hence they are better morally and they have low crime rates compared to blacks/Asians. Look at Shinto/Buddhist Japan. Intelligent people with low crime rates. Biology first, beliefs second.

    I'm still a Christian because as a Western woman the principles are best for me. Fortunately, we have the Orthodox churches which are racial/ethnic so a new church will have to be fashioned for the West.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753

    I’ve often wondered how history would have turned out if the Catholic Church had dispensed autocephaly instead of trying to run everything from the Italian peninsula.

  82. @attilathehen
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Good points about syncretism. Ross Douthat is a convert so he's a believer right now. It's different for me because my family has been RCC for hundreds of years. I left the RCC because I don't accept black/Asian priests-popes. Also, the RCC does not work for blacks/Asians. The RCC is a Caucasian/European construct. Another thing is IQ, which is tied to race. If you are RCC, the belief is that the communion wafer can change people. It can change very few people. It definitely does not work for blacks/Asians. This is why the RCC is collapsing. Biology is coming into direct conflict with beliefs (the RCC is a belief system) and biology is winning. RCC Haiti, El Salvador, the Philippines are perfect examples of this. In the USA, we have odd groups like Mormons, Southern Baptists. These beliefs do not work outside the USA. But the people who comprise these groups are Caucasians/Europeans and hence they are better morally and they have low crime rates compared to blacks/Asians. Look at Shinto/Buddhist Japan. Intelligent people with low crime rates. Biology first, beliefs second.

    I'm still a Christian because as a Western woman the principles are best for me. Fortunately, we have the Orthodox churches which are racial/ethnic so a new church will have to be fashioned for the West.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @BB753

    The problem a Western Orthodox faces is a dead-end. Are you gonna choose a Greek, a Serbian, a Romanian, a Russian church when you have no roots in those nations and can’t even speak the languages, not to mention that you dont understand a word of Old Church Slavonian or Koiné Greek, used in rituals?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    @BB753

    No. Something is happening. More Americans are converting to the Orthodox Church. One example is a guy named Jay Dyer. I follow his website. He's a cuck when it comes to IQ/race, but he's a former WASP, who converted to the RCC and is now Orthodox. He did call Islam a Christian heresy, something no RCC cleric will do. https://jaysanalysis.com/2018/01/18/islam-weaponized-migration-western-civilization/ English language churches are forming. The RCC is gone. It's been taken over by homosexuals, and blacks/Asians in the RCC have destroyed it. I feel sad about this because I received a very good education from my RCC grammar, high school and, yes, Jesuit university. The RCC, Anglo-Catholics (i.e., C.S. Lewis) and the Orthodox Church teach the best Christianity. People are going to have to accept that blacks/Asians will have to have their own churches and be responsible for teaching their people in their countries. The Caucasian/European liturgies are being destroyed. I do want to save the cathedrals and holy sites in Europe. They are a part of our heritage. Westerners will have to get rid of the idea of universal brotherhood.

    China has broken ties with the Vatican regarding bishops. This is very good. The RCC will have no influence in China. China is also closing the evangelical churches. These are really Zioevangizer churches. The USA Zioevangizers are getting kicked out of many countries. Russia has kicked out Zioevangizers, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. These are strange American cults that have no place outside the USA. The Southern Baptist Convention is collapsing. Some priest recently made a comment about evangelizing Japan. Nothing will come of this. The Japanese can see what the pope and RCC are doing to Western Europe. God created Asians and He will deal with them in His own way.

    The most difficult part of the Bible is where it states that God made man in his image. This doesn't say much about God because he created blacks/Asians. The Bible doesn't deal with IQ, which is the starting point for all my comments. This puts the race issue second and makes it easier to carry on a conversation. I'm not one of these crazy racial purists. Today's Neo-Nazis are crazy and an obstacle to bringing up these issues. The Jews will of course always be a topic and this is why I support Israel. We need a place for these people. Jews cannot hold any political offices in the West, so laws will be needed to bar them. The Middle East is for the most part a genetic wasteland, but Jews and Muslims will need to deal with reality. History will need to be taught in a different way. We will need to reference the ancient Egyptians and Indians so that what happened to them does not happen to the West. A new Western curriculum will need to be devised. These are radical ideas but they can be implemented.

  83. @J.Ross
    @Daniel Chieh

    Have you read the Serpent and the Rainbow and if so what is your opinion of it?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Afraid not, I’ll check it out!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Daniel Chieh

    Read the book, avoid the movie.

  84. @Daniel Chieh
    @J.Ross

    Afraid not, I'll check it out!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Read the book, avoid the movie.

  85. @BB753
    @attilathehen

    The problem a Western Orthodox faces is a dead-end. Are you gonna choose a Greek, a Serbian, a Romanian, a Russian church when you have no roots in those nations and can't even speak the languages, not to mention that you dont understand a word of Old Church Slavonian or Koiné Greek, used in rituals?

    Replies: @attilathehen

    No. Something is happening. More Americans are converting to the Orthodox Church. One example is a guy named Jay Dyer. I follow his website. He’s a cuck when it comes to IQ/race, but he’s a former WASP, who converted to the RCC and is now Orthodox. He did call Islam a Christian heresy, something no RCC cleric will do. https://jaysanalysis.com/2018/01/18/islam-weaponized-migration-western-civilization/ English language churches are forming. The RCC is gone. It’s been taken over by homosexuals, and blacks/Asians in the RCC have destroyed it. I feel sad about this because I received a very good education from my RCC grammar, high school and, yes, Jesuit university. The RCC, Anglo-Catholics (i.e., C.S. Lewis) and the Orthodox Church teach the best Christianity. People are going to have to accept that blacks/Asians will have to have their own churches and be responsible for teaching their people in their countries. The Caucasian/European liturgies are being destroyed. I do want to save the cathedrals and holy sites in Europe. They are a part of our heritage. Westerners will have to get rid of the idea of universal brotherhood.

    China has broken ties with the Vatican regarding bishops. This is very good. The RCC will have no influence in China. China is also closing the evangelical churches. These are really Zioevangizer churches. The USA Zioevangizers are getting kicked out of many countries. Russia has kicked out Zioevangizers, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. These are strange American cults that have no place outside the USA. The Southern Baptist Convention is collapsing. Some priest recently made a comment about evangelizing Japan. Nothing will come of this. The Japanese can see what the pope and RCC are doing to Western Europe. God created Asians and He will deal with them in His own way.

    The most difficult part of the Bible is where it states that God made man in his image. This doesn’t say much about God because he created blacks/Asians. The Bible doesn’t deal with IQ, which is the starting point for all my comments. This puts the race issue second and makes it easier to carry on a conversation. I’m not one of these crazy racial purists. Today’s Neo-Nazis are crazy and an obstacle to bringing up these issues. The Jews will of course always be a topic and this is why I support Israel. We need a place for these people. Jews cannot hold any political offices in the West, so laws will be needed to bar them. The Middle East is for the most part a genetic wasteland, but Jews and Muslims will need to deal with reality. History will need to be taught in a different way. We will need to reference the ancient Egyptians and Indians so that what happened to them does not happen to the West. A new Western curriculum will need to be devised. These are radical ideas but they can be implemented.

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