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The results of 30,000 high school yearbook picture: male hair styles got longest in 1978-79, a decade after Woodstock. (Note that the authors are measuring hair visible in a yearbook portrait, so, for example, a long ponytail down the back would likely be hidden and thus not measured.)

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The Big Data of Big Hair
Analysis & story by Elle O’Brien
Design & development by Jan Diehm

 
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  1. That would be about the time my hair was at its longest.

    I graduated high school the same year as Steve. It is a bit embarrassing to see my HS yearbook.

  2. I’m a little surprised. Would have guessed 1973. By 1981 crew cuts and the preppy look had made a bit of a comeback on campus.

    • Agree: BB753, Bubba
    • Replies: @Lot
    My suburban midwestern HS had the annual senior class photos on a wall going back a few decades. 1977-1982 was the male big/long hair peak there. Both the whites and the few blacks, who had afros then.
  3. I started high school in ’79: rings true. The center part with feathered temples reigned supreme in those days, but not for me.

    Interesting to note the women’s arms race v. the dudes, with a sort of turbo-lag effect propelling the dead-ender ladies’ Big Hair of the 80s.

  4. It would be interesting to see how they quantified hair “bigness” on the Y axis. For example, is it length or volume? When Greg Brady got his hair permed circa 1970 did he move up or down in the hair scale.

    Also, girls in the 70’s tended to have very long, very straight hair. This would be hard to measure merely from HS headshot photos. In the 80’s and early 90’s by contrast hair just got more architectural.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    . In the 80’s and early 90’s by contrast hair just got more architectural.
     
    Indeed. For example, here is Jane Badler as sexy space lizard Diana in the 1983 V miniseries:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bb/ee/46/bbee46e58c8563ee4b61e059b158c75d.jpg

    By the time of the 1984-85 regular series, Diana had full-on '80s hair:

    https://i.blogs.es/1ee8a2/jane-badler_1/original.jpg
  5. Using this as social-cultural-politicalscience research regarding the great cultural dislocation for which we unfortunately don’t have a handy name like the PRC has “Cultural Revolution,” it looks to me like 1967 is the critical year. On this metric of cultural dislocation. It means little in isolation, but neatly lines up with much else.

    Eyeballing it, male hair size broke out of its previous 1930s-to-1960s long-run average by academic year 1967-68. If the full data is readily available, this could be confirmed or revised slightly. Are yearbook pictures typically taken in the fall? If so, that puts the moment this symbolic threshold was crossed still within calendar year 1967, and very likely so by summer 1968, when the first immigrants began to arrive under Hart-Cellar (the effective date of the new law being July 1, ’68).

    Eyeballing it again, hair size begins to grow in the 1961-62 school year but at that point is simply recovering ground below the 1950s Hair Trough. It is not until 1967 that a new frontier was breached, peaking in the mid-’70s and well into the ’80s.

    Note Steve Sailer’s hair during the Peak Male Hair period, Dec. 1979:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thats actually Marc Storace from Krokus.


    He is Swiss, but Nikki Sixx from sunset strip in a more impolitic day said he looked like a mexican waiter. Metal bands used to dis a bit like rap guys now.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2719586/

    , @Patrick in SC
    Two words for that pic of Steve: Howard Stern
    , @Veracitor
    Quick: Steve, or Weird Al Yankovic?
  6. Source of this graph?

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  7. 1980s big hair from about 1983 onward. Mullets, big hair rock bands from LA and everywhere. The Bon Jovi Band photos from back then are hilarious. Girls had big hair, elaborate at times and so did guys, some guys. The hair spray manufacturers were becoming billionaires. And don’t forget mullets on guys and girls!
    The young people of America were more happy and exuberant. More care free.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    And don’t forget mullets on guys and girls!
     
    I hear the mullet is making a comeback.

    I hate them on girls, love them on guys, as long as they flow and aren't too choppy.

    https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2012/07/Perry.jpg?w=980&q=75
  8. 80s hair is best hair. ‘Nuff said.

    And “Boomers” are killer robots from “Bubblegum Crisis”, sometimes able to morph/fuse with flesh for good measure.

    Meanwhile, the Hookah Killings of Hanau seem to be the opening to the next episode of pearl-clutching, suppression of “hate” and senseless soundbites that could come from a Star Wars movie:

    ‘Many indications’ Hanau gunman was motivated by right-wing, racist views – Merkel

    “There are many indications at the moment that the perpetrator acted on right-wing extremist, racist motives, out of hatred towards people of other origins, religion or appearance,” Merkel told reporters on Thursday in the wake of the gun attack. “Racism is poison, hatred is poison and this poison exists in society and it is to blame for too many crimes.”

    It would clearly be better if more crimes were committed by insectoidal sociopaths with brain defects. That’s a suppressed minority, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "80s hair is best hair"

    Tongue in cheek, I presume. The 80s were great, especially for me, but the hair was an abomination. I had a mullet (before I enlisted in the USCG) and the chix I dated had locks brittle from all of the products. Watching movies and TV shows from the 70s, I feel gypped. The chix in those distant days had gorgeous long and flowing hair. I came of age in the Reagan-Go-Go years, and the female hair situation, as we've discussed, was a nightmare. Ever notice how much Steve gets us to talking about hair?
    , @J.Ross
    Except for the dead (and what does the German State care about a handful of their recently acquired helots?) this looks like an NBC tv show script. The narrative is closely shoved to check all the boxes, even if they're shoving it too hard. For example, this character's fear of government monitoring: he's a German, in Germany, so, uh, yeah. Was the government not monitoring him?
    The fixations are shoved to make him sound insane, so we now do not know if they were insane or if they were perfectly reasonable and are being distorted here. Yes, there absolutely were multiple high level pedophile projects connected to high level government and campaign officials. That's not a theory or a legend, that's totally beyond controversy. Child abuse arrests shot up like a rocket once Trump replaced Obama. The NXIVM case (billionaires smuggling children across borders and violently brainwashing women into obedience) grinds on. What's this about a military base? Was it ranting, or was he talking about the Presidio case?
    The single biggest omission is how this guy got his firearm[s]. It looks possible that he could have gotten them legally, which in Germany means years of work, membership in hunting clubs, two floor-bolted safes subject to police inspection, limitation to one caliber (at first), waiting, a battery of tests, and regular renewal -- and, of course, the State paying close attention to you.
    In a city with so many Turks he could obviously have also just walked around all that Germanic punishment of law abiding citizens. Either way, a bad day for gun control.
    And, as with the Virginia damage control joke (the other day the only NPR story about Virginia was about the elimination of an old, never-enforced law about public obscenity. Nothing To See Here), how crazy and violent would this guy be without the de facto legalization of rape, assault, and murder? Would he have had the guts to defy a police force which did not turn away rape victims, which kept New Year's safe, and which did not run away from criminals in fear or give up on whole neighborhoods? Wouldn't cops enforcing existing law on nonwhites also have deterrent effect on potential extremist whites?
  9. Just to be clear here, the chart and study refer to hair height, not length (which I believe peaked in the 70s, while “big hair” crested in the 80s).

    They should write a grant proposal for a separate study on the rise and fall of the center-part

    • Agree: ben tillman
  10. A time-delay is in effect. It was in 1990 when Tipper Gore was at her peak inveighing against perverse song lyrics, a decade after Reagan first won the presidency.

    At least big hair was temporal — a wild-haired chick could always return to normalcy to the extent that she didn’t damage her roots with all the dye and heat. Tattoos pose a more permanent issue.

  11. OT: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51571405

    Lesotho’s Prime Minister Thomas Thabane, 80, is to be charged with the murder of his estranged wife Lipolelo Thabane, police have said.

    Mr Thabane announced he would be stepping down in July because of old age, without commenting about the case.

    His current wife Maesaiah Thabane has already been charged with the murder.

  12. @Hail
    Using this as social-cultural-politicalscience research regarding the great cultural dislocation for which we unfortunately don't have a handy name like the PRC has "Cultural Revolution," it looks to me like 1967 is the critical year. On this metric of cultural dislocation. It means little in isolation, but neatly lines up with much else.

    Eyeballing it, male hair size broke out of its previous 1930s-to-1960s long-run average by academic year 1967-68. If the full data is readily available, this could be confirmed or revised slightly. Are yearbook pictures typically taken in the fall? If so, that puts the moment this symbolic threshold was crossed still within calendar year 1967, and very likely so by summer 1968, when the first immigrants began to arrive under Hart-Cellar (the effective date of the new law being July 1, '68).

    Eyeballing it again, hair size begins to grow in the 1961-62 school year but at that point is simply recovering ground below the 1950s Hair Trough. It is not until 1967 that a new frontier was breached, peaking in the mid-'70s and well into the '80s.

    Note Steve Sailer's hair during the Peak Male Hair period, Dec. 1979:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screenshot-2019-10-03-19.47.57.png

    Thats actually Marc Storace from Krokus.

    He is Swiss, but Nikki Sixx from sunset strip in a more impolitic day said he looked like a mexican waiter. Metal bands used to dis a bit like rap guys now.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2719586/

    • Replies: @Hail

    He is Swiss
     
    So is the name 'Sailer,' according to legend. The mystery deepens.

    Also, is Marc Storace from Krokus an alias Mel Gibson uses on weekends?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PXIT0GRi7WY/W1CA-_m7h6I/AAAAAAAAC9k/1AfpjvJw1N8-FoEIoU-MSWjuHJ0AYmJxwCLcBGAs/s1600/krokus.jpg
  13. In non-snarky real world news yet another far right terrorist has used a gun to murder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/europe/germany-hanau-shisha-bar-shooting.html

    This is why we NEED to shut down sites and thoughts like this that traffic in hate

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/PALE_Primate/status/1230551665201143808
    , @El Dato

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence
     
    Since 1945 or so, more like an IMPLOSION, am I right, Tiny?
    , @Hail

    far right terrorist
     
    Actually a mentally disturbed person who claims to have been monitored constantly, from birth, via a tracking device implanted in him. The monitoring was being done by secret agencies, who stole his thoughts.

    He came up with the idea for many recent hit movies and TV shows but the secret agencies spying on him stole the ideas and sent them directly to Hollywood, who then made the movies without crediting him. Naturally this enraged him.

    He also claimed the same secret agencies have interfered with his life to prevent him from ever having a relationship with a woman. This also enraged him.

    He believed the secret agencies that constantly stole his thoughts, and tormented him for years, also conduct huge-scale rituals in which they roundup and kill children in underground facilities.

    That is just some of his reported manifesto. This was a sick, sick person. He is more angry at the secret agencies that ruined his life than anything, and his manifesto contained only a few stray lines about race, and lots more anger at Hollywood for complicity in stealing his ideas, along with the secret societies / agencies.

    He released an English-language video addressed to Americans urging people to stand up against the satanic secret societies he said were in control.

    One report, with corroborating photograph, has him peripherally involved with the Green Party as of 2011. No connection to the Nationalist-Right or to the moderate-nationalist AfD, which has come under attack from all the usual suspects despite this being an obvious nut.

    , @duncsbaby
    Vince Dennis, er Tiny Duck, if this site was shut down you would be out of a job.

    Btw, very few typos in this post, this can't be the real Tiny Duck. Now get back to listening to your real smart brothas podcast or whatever the hell it is you do for fun.
  14. @Hail
    Using this as social-cultural-politicalscience research regarding the great cultural dislocation for which we unfortunately don't have a handy name like the PRC has "Cultural Revolution," it looks to me like 1967 is the critical year. On this metric of cultural dislocation. It means little in isolation, but neatly lines up with much else.

    Eyeballing it, male hair size broke out of its previous 1930s-to-1960s long-run average by academic year 1967-68. If the full data is readily available, this could be confirmed or revised slightly. Are yearbook pictures typically taken in the fall? If so, that puts the moment this symbolic threshold was crossed still within calendar year 1967, and very likely so by summer 1968, when the first immigrants began to arrive under Hart-Cellar (the effective date of the new law being July 1, '68).

    Eyeballing it again, hair size begins to grow in the 1961-62 school year but at that point is simply recovering ground below the 1950s Hair Trough. It is not until 1967 that a new frontier was breached, peaking in the mid-'70s and well into the '80s.

    Note Steve Sailer's hair during the Peak Male Hair period, Dec. 1979:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screenshot-2019-10-03-19.47.57.png

    Two words for that pic of Steve: Howard Stern

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  15. Oscar Gamble was a Yankee in ’76

  16. Quite interesting. I wonder what it would look like, if one graphed a separate line for Canada, or countries in Europe. Also, wonder what it would be for a line of American blacks. Or white kids with dreadlocks. Or, for colored photos, odd dyes.

    I was thinking about something socio-political related to schools the other day. I wonder how much of Japan’s traditional gender roles might have something to do with school uniforms. How girls are required to wear skirts in school. You’ll see a lot more young women who are done with school in Japan wearing skirts on the street, so it is easy to see it as a kind of continuation of the fact that they were required to wear them at school. And then, skirts appear a lot more in Japanese media too.

  17. I may have missed Mr. Sailers review of recent biopic HARRIET – which isnt a terrible movie by any means – but the movie features a very noticeable bit where Harriet, who binds her hair as a slave, emerges from a lake or something after her escape looking like she is wearing a fright wig. My kids laughed at the scene, but they didnt know about how black bodies’ hair has been oppressed even longer than black bodies themselves.

  18. My hair was long enough in the 70s that my father told me to sit down and shut up while he went to work with his scissors

  19. You see a long-haired teen today–is that a Slayer or Dio fan? No, that’s a teenaged sissy hypno porn addict at the start of a life of externally induced mental illness and pain.

    There was a time, when people automatically assumed that if you have long hair, you must be a “woman”, i.e. a poof. Yet now it’s the same but worse, they actually start pressuring you to “become a woman”. The GloboHomo agents have gone right back to crude pre-rock’n’roll gender roles, and are enforcing them with “medicine”, “education”, and “law”.

    Which brings me to the point of symbols always being the early stage of reality.

    First they began castrating males symbolically–now they castrate them physically.

    First they began “tearing down old white men” symbolically–now they do it physically (bringing down statues, bogus rape allegations).

    First they began “subverting the patriarchy” symbolically–now they do it physically (i.e. it’s subverted through “enforced inclusivity”, and now stuff doesn’t work, science stagnates, infrastructure crumbles, institutions have been hijacked, families are destroyed, everyone is on antidepressants and opiates)

    Thus, the “symbolic” slogan “Destroy white men” is not going to remain on the symbolic level for long. It’s already entered the far end of the physical manifestation phase, and this will only accelerate, unless very prompt and very firm countermeasures are taken.

  20. On topic:
    Spectre of “Can I speak to the manager” haircut continues to haunt McDonald’s-assistant-manager cosplayer
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/02/20/minnesota_nice_gets_nasty_klobuchar_snaps_at_buttigieg__142446.html

    • LOL: Autochthon
  21. More details at https://pudding.cool/2019/11/big-hair/
    The full data goes back to 1930. One interesting feature is the 10 photos of the “most average style” for men and women each decade.

    I guess ensuring diversity is one way of being “representative.” ;-/

    To estimate representative looks for each decade, we calculated the centroid of the cluster of images from that decade in 4-dimensional feature space. We selected the top 30 female- and male- tagged images closest to the centroid by Euclidean distance. From this subset, we manually curated images for display in the article based on image quality and to ensure a diverse representation of ethnicity.

  22. I graduated in 1978. But our school had a dress code and hair code as we were very athletically oriented. This was a high school just outside of Houston. But my peer groups at other schools that did not have hair codes Had hilariously Long hair and feathered in the middle. I just happen to be looking at a 1978 high school yearbook for Deer Park, just outside of Houston, and the boys hairstyles were absolutely hilarious. Note: Two years later Animal House has changed everyone to a Preppy!

    • Replies: @Hail

    I graduated in 1978 [...] my peer groups at other schools that did not have hair codes Had hilariously Long hair
     
    I'd like to add this video to the record on this thread:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxWmSVv-cY

    July 1977, Oakland, California, which if you graduated in May/June 1978, would be right the summer before your final year in school.

    The Lynyrd Skynyrd crowd at Oakland that day was almost-all-White, with a majority of the crowd probably born late-1940s to late-1950s, and a fair few of high school age. Note hairstyles in the crow (as well as onstage); best seen in audience shots at 1:00-1:05, 1:25-1:30, 3:10-3:20; 4:20-4:30, 6:20-6:40.

    The guitarist with the solo at 5:30 has a hairstyle almost unknown for a man today.

    (Video originally posted at another thread, but just as relevant here.)

  23. @Hypnotoad666
    It would be interesting to see how they quantified hair "bigness" on the Y axis. For example, is it length or volume? When Greg Brady got his hair permed circa 1970 did he move up or down in the hair scale.

    Also, girls in the 70's tended to have very long, very straight hair. This would be hard to measure merely from HS headshot photos. In the 80's and early 90's by contrast hair just got more architectural.

    https://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/e6/03/d7e60311455bb79f6eb3ce911c677cec.jpg

    . In the 80’s and early 90’s by contrast hair just got more architectural.

    Indeed. For example, here is Jane Badler as sexy space lizard Diana in the 1983 V miniseries:

    By the time of the 1984-85 regular series, Diana had full-on ’80s hair:

  24. Long hair can be okay.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    Great, great channel, but he looks like a smacked ass with that hair. When he has Larry Vickers on he looks like a 17 year old beta next to him. I really do like his channel very much though.
  25. The results of 30,000 high school yearbook picture: male hair styles got longest in 1978-79, a decade after Woodstock.

  26. Hair, that’s “the significant” change?

    D032CD67-830B-418C-947A-C07AF342A3CF

    342F0A0B-6E96-4885-966E-67F0C2208703

    • LOL: Patrick in SC
  27. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:

    As a pre-teen in Detroit in 1968, boys’ hair was supposed to be as long as possible (or as wide, if you had to rock a Jewfro), a la the MC5 for example.

    Of course, high schools would enforce some order (long hair being a sign of “rebelliousness”) but by graduation (1974) yearbook photos showed the maximum amount of hair I could imagine possible.

    If the peak was “late 70s into the 80s) I can’t imagine any room for the rest of the face or body in such photos.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    Although I don't think any member of the MC5 was actually Jewish, were they? I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they were all just white working-class types from the Detroit environs. I looked up Rob Tyner (Derminer) on wikipedia and see no mention of Jewish heritage or upbringing. He definitely had that weird "jewfro" hair that you mentioned. Interestingly Rob's wife when he died was named Becky.
    Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters (I had the radio friendly version of this song on an old 8 track anthology of 'heavy metal' music).
  28. Looks like male hair roughly tracks the birth rate 20-ish years previously. That’s interesting because the birth rate with a comparable time lag also predicts sexual exuberance— when the population is rising, there is a favorable ratio of females to slightly-older males, so the latter get more mating opportunities. In our society, short male hair is associated with hard work, which we evo-psych fans think is often a courtship display. Likely in an era of reduced male competition for mates, men will relax and “let it all hang out.” When women are desperate enough that some cleave to hippies, even squares can wear mullets.

    Of course there must be some additional more-or-less-entangled influences on the long male hair phenomenon.

    There was the post-war counterculture… recall the Broadway musical Hair was a huge hit in 1967-68; it both documented and encouraged the long male hair trend. More generally long male hair became a symbol of political sentiment so a lot of young men adopted it, then the triumph of the longhairs in 1973 spread their style for a while even to the apolitical.

    Modern shampoo with a conditioning effect for long hair became available in the late 1960’s and increasingly popular during the 1970’s (remember the Farah Fawcett commercials?) American men customarily spend less time grooming their hair than women do and good shampoo made it possible to keep longer hair comfortable and attractive within the same time/effort budget.

    Rock-and-roll music grew through the Sixties and dominated into the Eighties. Unlike older (and some newer) musical forms it features musicians who gyrate and dance on stage so they want long hair to shake. During the long male hair era plenty of fans wanted to emulate them and growing hair is easier than learning to play guitar.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    During the long male hair era plenty of fans wanted to emulate them and growing hair is easier than learning to play guitar.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_metal

    One of the reasons the '80s felt so much fun.
  29. @Hail
    Using this as social-cultural-politicalscience research regarding the great cultural dislocation for which we unfortunately don't have a handy name like the PRC has "Cultural Revolution," it looks to me like 1967 is the critical year. On this metric of cultural dislocation. It means little in isolation, but neatly lines up with much else.

    Eyeballing it, male hair size broke out of its previous 1930s-to-1960s long-run average by academic year 1967-68. If the full data is readily available, this could be confirmed or revised slightly. Are yearbook pictures typically taken in the fall? If so, that puts the moment this symbolic threshold was crossed still within calendar year 1967, and very likely so by summer 1968, when the first immigrants began to arrive under Hart-Cellar (the effective date of the new law being July 1, '68).

    Eyeballing it again, hair size begins to grow in the 1961-62 school year but at that point is simply recovering ground below the 1950s Hair Trough. It is not until 1967 that a new frontier was breached, peaking in the mid-'70s and well into the '80s.

    Note Steve Sailer's hair during the Peak Male Hair period, Dec. 1979:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screenshot-2019-10-03-19.47.57.png

    Quick: Steve, or Weird Al Yankovic?

  30. Really Steve? If the black sjws are going to theorize about their hair on public forums, why shouldn’t you?

    Someone has to do hair, yes. But hair is dumb. Let’s think about something else.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "But hair is dumb."

    In your bubble. But in the outside world, what we call reality, black women are taking control. Which means hair is existential. Just ask Governor Newsom.
  31. “Most young people were hippies in the late 60’s,” is one of the great false stereotypes of popular culture. It’s easily refuted by looking at high school yearbooks of the era, at least for schools in the Midwest were I lived. Of course, the argument could be made that people didn’t really become “hippies” until they were college age, but I’m not sure that the hair length of college students would’ve been much different. They were 2-4 years older than h.s. students and probably even more connected to the hair styles of the recent past. OTOH, kids were free of their parents’ control in college, so their hair might’ve been a bit longer.

    My older brothers graduated in ’68 and ’70, so I frequently looked through their yearbooks when I was in high school in the mid-70’s. My hair was notably longer than my brothers or their classmates. The irony is that, in many ways, the 70’s were a real backlash against the radical left political movements of the ’60’s, and my somewhat working class high school typified that. It was funny to see self-styled “hippie” teachers who went into college in the late ’60’s get their first teaching assignment at our somewhat thuggish and racist high school. They expected to be idolized by the students for their hipness but instead they were ridiculed.

    In truth, hair length meant little. Nevertheless, I always laugh when I see Canned Heat’s Alan Wilson sporting the math/science nerd look circa 1967. He died of an overdose a few years later.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Alan Wilson had serious mental health problems. One of the best popular music of the era, but a very unbalanced young man.
  32. Surprising! I would have thought men’s hair was at its longest around the early 70’s, as by 1980 short hair was coming back into fashion.

    These men were mass media role models and could afford the best salon care:

    1972

    1980. The younger players are sporting shorter hair styles.

    https://www.lfchistory.net/images/lfc/1979-1980.jpg.

    However, it could be that 1979-80 was a peak year for male student attendance in college at a time when haircuts, which once had been a very cheap item on the budget, were starting to become expensive.

    When I was a young lad, the cost of a weekly or monthly haircut was negligible and there were always lines in men’s barber shops, but over my life time, the price has become relatively much higher and I nearly always cut it myself at home unless I am traveling overseas and can get a cheaper haircut for a few dollars.

    It could be that the advent of longer hairstyles for men meant that cutting men’s hair became more similar to cutting women’s hair and required additional skills and products, and that the price did not really back down again when shorter hair styles became more popular.

    In addition electric trimmers with shields–the equivalent of powered lawn mowers for men’s hair– are much more available and affordable than they were in the 1960’s.

    Certainly there is not much to short hairstyles for men as prison inmates are able to cut the hair of other inmates with only minimal training and not having to get the cosmetology license, which takes about a year to earn and costs a lot of money.

    In my state you cannot cut hair for money without said license and a licensed salon, otherwise you are guilty of something similar to practicing medicine without a license!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    When I was a young lad, the cost of a weekly or monthly haircut was negligible and there were always lines in men’s barber shops, but over my life time, the price has become relatively much higher and I nearly always cut it myself at home . . .
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowbee

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Man_using_Flowbee_to_cut_his_hair.jpg/330px-Man_using_Flowbee_to_cut_his_hair.jpg
  33. Surprising! I would have thought men’s hair was at its longest around the early 70’s, as by 1980 short hair was coming back into fashion.

    These men were mass media role models and could afford the best salon care:

    1972

    1980. The younger players are sporting shorter hair styles.

    However, it could be that 1979-80 was a peak year for male student attendance in college at a time when haircuts, which once had been a very cheap item on the budget, were starting to become expensive.

    When I was a young lad, the cost of a weekly or monthly haircut was negligible and there were always lines in men’s barber shops, but over my life time, the price has become relatively much higher and I nearly always cut it myself at home unless I am traveling overseas and can get a cheaper haircut for a few dollars.

    It could be that the advent of longer hairstyles for men meant that cutting men’s hair became more similar to cutting women’s hair and required additional skills and products, and that the price did not really back down again when shorter hair styles became more popular.

    In addition electric trimmers with shields–the equivalent of powered lawn mowers for men’s hair– are much more available and affordable than they were in the 1960’s.

    Certainly there is not much to short hairstyles for men as prison inmates are able to cut the hair of other inmates with only minimal training and not having to get the cosmetology license, which takes about a year to earn and costs a lot of money.

    In my state you cannot cut hair for money without said license and a licensed salon, otherwise you are guilty of something similar to practicing medicine without a license!

  34. OT:

    There once was a girl from Nantucket…

    Man investigated by police for retweeting transgender limerick

    This limerick is so dangerous the article only includes the last line, as reading the limerick in its entirety could incite a wave of hate attacks on transgenders.

  35. one of the things not great about the 80s. big hair. not just long, but super big.

    interesting how the super short NASA engineer style haircut peaked in the early 60s and never returned, not even after the 90s ended. 18 year old guys hair forever longer than the short cut look that predominated during peak America. there’s still a few guys who wear the longer, 90s version of rock star hair.

    weren’t the Beatles haircuts supposed to be unusually long when they came out? now those would just be normal haircuts.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Hemid

    interesting how the super short NASA engineer style haircut peaked in the early 60s and never returned, not even after the 90s ended.
     
    From about 1985-2005, buzzcut variations were the go-to 'do for musicians who made weird jazz, underground rap, and sexless/intellectualized rock. Almost any '90s concert crowd was half guys who looked like they might be in Fugazi. Now you never see any. Fat girls ate them all, it looks like.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, I was a schoolboy when the Beatles were having their early success. You had to have your hair off the forehead, with sideburns no more than 1/3 of the way down the ear, hair off the ears, and hair one inch off the collar. So the Beatles would have been sent home from school if they showed up looking scandalous as in the picture above.

    How could I forget?
  36. @Veracitor
    Looks like male hair roughly tracks the birth rate 20-ish years previously. That’s interesting because the birth rate with a comparable time lag also predicts sexual exuberance— when the population is rising, there is a favorable ratio of females to slightly-older males, so the latter get more mating opportunities. In our society, short male hair is associated with hard work, which we evo-psych fans think is often a courtship display. Likely in an era of reduced male competition for mates, men will relax and “let it all hang out.” When women are desperate enough that some cleave to hippies, even squares can wear mullets.

    Of course there must be some additional more-or-less-entangled influences on the long male hair phenomenon.

    There was the post-war counterculture... recall the Broadway musical Hair was a huge hit in 1967-68; it both documented and encouraged the long male hair trend. More generally long male hair became a symbol of political sentiment so a lot of young men adopted it, then the triumph of the longhairs in 1973 spread their style for a while even to the apolitical.

    Modern shampoo with a conditioning effect for long hair became available in the late 1960’s and increasingly popular during the 1970’s (remember the Farah Fawcett commercials?) American men customarily spend less time grooming their hair than women do and good shampoo made it possible to keep longer hair comfortable and attractive within the same time/effort budget.

    Rock-and-roll music grew through the Sixties and dominated into the Eighties. Unlike older (and some newer) musical forms it features musicians who gyrate and dance on stage so they want long hair to shake. During the long male hair era plenty of fans wanted to emulate them and growing hair is easier than learning to play guitar.

    During the long male hair era plenty of fans wanted to emulate them and growing hair is easier than learning to play guitar.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_metal

    One of the reasons the ’80s felt so much fun.

  37. i just realized when Metallica cut their hair in 1996, their hair was shorter than the Beatles in 1964. whoa.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so. Alice In Chains most vocally.

    out of respect i won’t post those photos. yikes. they looked terrible.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so.
     
    Everyone made fun of Metallica in 1996 because they released their first grunge album Load that year.

    By itself, Load was a serviceable album.

    The real problems were:

    1) Grunge peaked somewhere in '93 or '94, so they were two years late to the party

    2) Metallica had intentionally released thematically heavier, more somber albums during the effervescent glam metal era to set themselves apart; now they were just latching on to the end of a trend, of course they were going to lose respect from a lot of people

    3) Metallica's earlier works were much more musically, lyrically, and thematically complex and sophisticated versus Load; the album came off as a huge devolution of the group's music and style compared to what had gone before, even the relatively watered down and fan-friendly eponymous Black Album.

    , @Bubba
    They should have listened to CSNY’s “Almost Cut My Hair” before doing it.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow
    , @Kratoklastes
    Metallica kinda had no choice: Lars was already going bald, and he was at least as important as Hetfield. The bassist at the time (Jason Newstead) did what he was told, and (from memory) Kirk Hammett didn't cut his hair.

    Alice in Chains made fun of them? That's high-school shit I would expect from leather-pants-wearing gaylords like G'n'R (or Poison... KEK).

    (Crosses fingers and hopes that Tool's Maynard didn't join the mock-pile... he is an artful troll, that dude.).

    Did NIN change their hair, ever? Who knows? more importantly: is Trent Reznor actually Gerard Butler?

    True fact: "Nothing Else Matters" is one of the only two pieces of music I ever managed to play anywhere near properly. The other is "Wish You Were Here". I lose interest quickly when payoffs are low - which is why people who can play chess don't impress me one iota, and also why I assign zero significance to 'findings' from the bullshit zero-expected-payoff 'studies' by Kahnemann and his ilk.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    After seeing this clip from '94 where Metallica were making fun of Alice in Chains I'd say they had more than enough reason to return fire:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWYnSEZKcVw
  38. @Joe Stalin
    Long hair can be okay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuRxqhMCqwo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCOAwHQqhCg

    Great, great channel, but he looks like a smacked ass with that hair. When he has Larry Vickers on he looks like a 17 year old beta next to him. I really do like his channel very much though.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    I always thought Ian was going for the Gen. Custer look:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ricks3_1788.jpg?w=625
  39. i noticed a lot of rich guys don’t care about their hair or going bald, but certain ones do. Elon Musk should be bald by now. yet he has a lot more hair today than he did in 1999 when he made his first big dotcom sale.

    it’s clearly a PR thing for Musk. whereas Bezos doesn’t care at all. less PR work for him.

    Lebron James on the other hand is desperately trying to not go bald. the Lakers may win the title but James won’t win the battle to keep his hair.

  40. Perusing the yearbooks of my local high school on Long Island, NY. It appears that rally long hair – hippiesh/biker type hair – really became a thing with the class of 1972. The hair had been creeping longer since the mid sixties but most lads were sporing “modish”, mid-sixties, beatlesque looks until 1972 when it seems like 1/4 of the class was sporting shoulder length hair. Another factum which supports the notion that most of the ’60s actually occurred in the ’70s.

    • Replies: @Russ

    Perusing the yearbooks of my local high school on Long Island, NY. It appears that rally long hair – hippiesh/biker type hair – really became a thing with the class of 1972
     
    In his book Seasons In Hell, covering his two years (1973-74) as the Texas Rangers beat writer for one of the Dallas papers, Mike Shropshire makes this very point. While 1968 was the powder keg year, 1973 (vs 1968) yearbooks were the ones showing all the long hair. Shropshire ties this point into the general appearance of baseball players in 1973.
    , @Anonymous
    The Sixties were still the Fifties for middle class Middle America. For most people, drug use and sex outside marriage were still considered morally wrong (they happened, but you didn’t consider it okay), young men had a duty to serve, and go to Vietnam if necessary, if drafted, most people were at least nominal members of a church and admitted atheists were shunned. Homosexuals at least publicly maintained the appearance of being heterosexual.

    If you were not as above, you were a fringe beatnik, hippie, longhair, or something. Core Americans dressed, coiffed and groomed themselves like the staff of JFK’s White House in the office or church and like Beach Boys off work. Golly gee, you did not use foul language in public and comported yourself like they did in proper society.

    It was in the miasma after Watergate and the humiliation of getting run out of Vietnam by smelly little brown orientals that Core America adopted fringe mores and behaviors. Snorting coke, smoking pot and screwing anything that moved became routine mass behaviors.

    People with low future time orientation, people with lower cognition, and people without functional family and community support systems were most impacted. Decades and in some cases centuries of social capital evaporated in family disconnections, illegitimacy, miscegenation, and educational and business abandonment.
  41. @prime noticer
    i just realized when Metallica cut their hair in 1996, their hair was shorter than the Beatles in 1964. whoa.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so. Alice In Chains most vocally.

    out of respect i won't post those photos. yikes. they looked terrible.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so.

    Everyone made fun of Metallica in 1996 because they released their first grunge album Load that year.

    By itself, Load was a serviceable album.

    The real problems were:

    1) Grunge peaked somewhere in ’93 or ’94, so they were two years late to the party

    2) Metallica had intentionally released thematically heavier, more somber albums during the effervescent glam metal era to set themselves apart; now they were just latching on to the end of a trend, of course they were going to lose respect from a lot of people

    3) Metallica’s earlier works were much more musically, lyrically, and thematically complex and sophisticated versus Load; the album came off as a huge devolution of the group’s music and style compared to what had gone before, even the relatively watered down and fan-friendly eponymous Black Album.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Even worse they followed it up with Reload.
  42. @prime noticer
    i just realized when Metallica cut their hair in 1996, their hair was shorter than the Beatles in 1964. whoa.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so. Alice In Chains most vocally.

    out of respect i won't post those photos. yikes. they looked terrible.

    They should have listened to CSNY’s “Almost Cut My Hair” before doing it.

  43. @Tiny Duck
    In non-snarky real world news yet another far right terrorist has used a gun to murder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/europe/germany-hanau-shisha-bar-shooting.html

    This is why we NEED to shut down sites and thoughts like this that traffic in hate

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Was this a white person after all? Hanau's big Turkish and ex-Yugo population, and the choice of location being hookah bars, made it look like nonwhite gang warfare, which never gets counted as mass shooting. It's the most baffling faith article.
    "What about this incident?"
    "That's not relevant to the gun discussion, that's gang violence."
    "What?!"
    "We need to talk about mass shootongs in school, not continue the systemic demonization of at-risk youth of color."
    "School shootings happen so rarely that you only know they're happening because of mass media hype and Mike Bloomberg's personal war against our foundational documents. Gang violence happens every weekend and kills far more people in more ways and more places, to include knock-on shootings like witness intimidation."
    " ... Racism."
    , @El Dato
    He looks like a mad composer

    Rathjen, pictured bottom right in a yearbook photo from 1996
     
    The Daily Fail is digging deep!

    There are already photos of wreath-laying and banner waving anti-racist vigils. Maybe wait a bit? Or is the concern of disturbing the peace that high?


    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told crowds that Germans and foreigners should unite to defeat racism.
     
    I am concerned about the reification of beliefs which for some apparently take on physical forms and wander in our midst. That's a sure sign of psychosis.

    Also, note to German policewomen: Keep your hair short!

  44. @prime noticer
    one of the things not great about the 80s. big hair. not just long, but super big.

    interesting how the super short NASA engineer style haircut peaked in the early 60s and never returned, not even after the 90s ended. 18 year old guys hair forever longer than the short cut look that predominated during peak America. there's still a few guys who wear the longer, 90s version of rock star hair.

    weren't the Beatles haircuts supposed to be unusually long when they came out? now those would just be normal haircuts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWdylTtzs

    interesting how the super short NASA engineer style haircut peaked in the early 60s and never returned, not even after the 90s ended.

    From about 1985-2005, buzzcut variations were the go-to ‘do for musicians who made weird jazz, underground rap, and sexless/intellectualized rock. Almost any ’90s concert crowd was half guys who looked like they might be in Fugazi. Now you never see any. Fat girls ate them all, it looks like.

  45. @El Dato
    80s hair is best hair. 'Nuff said.

    And "Boomers" are killer robots from "Bubblegum Crisis", sometimes able to morph/fuse with flesh for good measure.

    Meanwhile, the Hookah Killings of Hanau seem to be the opening to the next episode of pearl-clutching, suppression of "hate" and senseless soundbites that could come from a Star Wars movie:

    ‘Many indications’ Hanau gunman was motivated by right-wing, racist views – Merkel

    “There are many indications at the moment that the perpetrator acted on right-wing extremist, racist motives, out of hatred towards people of other origins, religion or appearance,” Merkel told reporters on Thursday in the wake of the gun attack. "Racism is poison, hatred is poison and this poison exists in society and it is to blame for too many crimes."
     
    It would clearly be better if more crimes were committed by insectoidal sociopaths with brain defects. That's a suppressed minority, isn't it?

    “80s hair is best hair”

    Tongue in cheek, I presume. The 80s were great, especially for me, but the hair was an abomination. I had a mullet (before I enlisted in the USCG) and the chix I dated had locks brittle from all of the products. Watching movies and TV shows from the 70s, I feel gypped. The chix in those distant days had gorgeous long and flowing hair. I came of age in the Reagan-Go-Go years, and the female hair situation, as we’ve discussed, was a nightmare. Ever notice how much Steve gets us to talking about hair?

  46. @prime noticer
    one of the things not great about the 80s. big hair. not just long, but super big.

    interesting how the super short NASA engineer style haircut peaked in the early 60s and never returned, not even after the 90s ended. 18 year old guys hair forever longer than the short cut look that predominated during peak America. there's still a few guys who wear the longer, 90s version of rock star hair.

    weren't the Beatles haircuts supposed to be unusually long when they came out? now those would just be normal haircuts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jenWdylTtzs

    Yes, I was a schoolboy when the Beatles were having their early success. You had to have your hair off the forehead, with sideburns no more than 1/3 of the way down the ear, hair off the ears, and hair one inch off the collar. So the Beatles would have been sent home from school if they showed up looking scandalous as in the picture above.

    How could I forget?

    • Replies: @gsjackson
    Where'd you go to school, Parris Island? I don't remember any such regs in the public schools of the D'.C. area at that time. And hair off the forehead? Everbody wore their hair across the forehead with a side part once JFK took office. E.g., Bruce Springsteen in 1966 (albeit kind of a shaggy version of the JFK cut, getting on towards the long hair days):

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+springsteen+images+high+school&sxsrf=ALeKk02Kfp4A-zjGpYIJdriqTjwbk35xcQ:1582260286719&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=pQpLD_zHUW5CrM%253A%252CUusHfox8JEb8rM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTlxE81975a4VtWq3Ug4VN5SpVUhA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSztPy6uHnAhXQ854KHXfXCv4Q9QEwAHoECAoQBQ#imgrc=OvgzS2Vu-WiUtM
  47. @Spangel
    Really Steve? If the black sjws are going to theorize about their hair on public forums, why shouldn’t you?

    Someone has to do hair, yes. But hair is dumb. Let’s think about something else.

    “But hair is dumb.”

    In your bubble. But in the outside world, what we call reality, black women are taking control. Which means hair is existential. Just ask Governor Newsom.

  48. The biggest writer of woke flop Birds of Prey Featuring the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn (recently retitled Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey) is freaking out in an interesting way.
    https://postimg.cc/B8W6P2bD
    At one point she implies that a person’s ability to judge a woman’s appearance is contingent on anything but eyesight. This is an extreme example of whattaboutism (And You Are Lynching Negroes). She sounds just like leftist social media trolls except they’re much quicker with commands for suicide and namecalling.
    Comic book character movies are stupid, but as long as we’re saddled with them, there appear to be simple rules which Hollywood insists on repeatedly ignoring. For the most part there should be some fidelity to the thing that made anybody ever pay any attention to the character originally, and for female characters, that will always involve appearance and costume. Joker looks like an exception, but really it’s not: it’s balancing its departure from comic book ness with a stunning performance, and the living-wild-card nature of the character. The Halle Berry Catwoman which had no cattiness, no light domme, no catsuit, and no recognizable connection to the character remains a sort of extreme mark of self-sabotage, but it might be displaced by this.
    This observation is not a defense of comic book stupidity, which should still be decried, because you can clearly see non-comic examples where Hollywood scotched its own project by refusing to deliver the character promised.

  49. David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen and Ted Nugent seem to agree:

  50. @Tiny Duck
    In non-snarky real world news yet another far right terrorist has used a gun to murder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/europe/germany-hanau-shisha-bar-shooting.html

    This is why we NEED to shut down sites and thoughts like this that traffic in hate

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    Since 1945 or so, more like an IMPLOSION, am I right, Tiny?

  51. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/PALE_Primate/status/1230551665201143808

    Was this a white person after all? Hanau’s big Turkish and ex-Yugo population, and the choice of location being hookah bars, made it look like nonwhite gang warfare, which never gets counted as mass shooting. It’s the most baffling faith article.
    “What about this incident?”
    “That’s not relevant to the gun discussion, that’s gang violence.”
    “What?!”
    “We need to talk about mass shootongs in school, not continue the systemic demonization of at-risk youth of color.”
    “School shootings happen so rarely that you only know they’re happening because of mass media hype and Mike Bloomberg’s personal war against our foundational documents. Gang violence happens every weekend and kills far more people in more ways and more places, to include knock-on shootings like witness intimidation.”
    ” … Racism.”

  52. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/PALE_Primate/status/1230551665201143808

    He looks like a mad composer

    Rathjen, pictured bottom right in a yearbook photo from 1996

    The Daily Fail is digging deep!

    There are already photos of wreath-laying and banner waving anti-racist vigils. Maybe wait a bit? Or is the concern of disturbing the peace that high?

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told crowds that Germans and foreigners should unite to defeat racism.

    I am concerned about the reification of beliefs which for some apparently take on physical forms and wander in our midst. That’s a sure sign of psychosis.

    Also, note to German policewomen: Keep your hair short!

    • Replies: @Autochthon

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told crowds that Germans and foreigners should unite to defeat racism.
     
    "Foreigners? Foreigners?!" I cannot even. The German president needs to "get woke" – as Mr. Sailer has explained, a person cannot be foreign any more than he can be illegal; these people are not foreigners, but, rather, they are nonresident Germans (and nonresident Americans, nonresident Frenchmen, nonresident Englishmen, nonresident Canadians...).
  53. This was Burton Cummings until early 1973:

    He chopped it all off for the Canadian National Exhibition that August. I can’t find a picture, but it was even shorter than this:

    At the next year’s CNE (performing in front of the same goofy flag), he met himself in the middle:

  54. @gsjackson
    I'm a little surprised. Would have guessed 1973. By 1981 crew cuts and the preppy look had made a bit of a comeback on campus.

    My suburban midwestern HS had the annual senior class photos on a wall going back a few decades. 1977-1982 was the male big/long hair peak there. Both the whites and the few blacks, who had afros then.

  55. @El Dato
    80s hair is best hair. 'Nuff said.

    And "Boomers" are killer robots from "Bubblegum Crisis", sometimes able to morph/fuse with flesh for good measure.

    Meanwhile, the Hookah Killings of Hanau seem to be the opening to the next episode of pearl-clutching, suppression of "hate" and senseless soundbites that could come from a Star Wars movie:

    ‘Many indications’ Hanau gunman was motivated by right-wing, racist views – Merkel

    “There are many indications at the moment that the perpetrator acted on right-wing extremist, racist motives, out of hatred towards people of other origins, religion or appearance,” Merkel told reporters on Thursday in the wake of the gun attack. "Racism is poison, hatred is poison and this poison exists in society and it is to blame for too many crimes."
     
    It would clearly be better if more crimes were committed by insectoidal sociopaths with brain defects. That's a suppressed minority, isn't it?

    Except for the dead (and what does the German State care about a handful of their recently acquired helots?) this looks like an NBC tv show script. The narrative is closely shoved to check all the boxes, even if they’re shoving it too hard. For example, this character’s fear of government monitoring: he’s a German, in Germany, so, uh, yeah. Was the government not monitoring him?
    The fixations are shoved to make him sound insane, so we now do not know if they were insane or if they were perfectly reasonable and are being distorted here. Yes, there absolutely were multiple high level pedophile projects connected to high level government and campaign officials. That’s not a theory or a legend, that’s totally beyond controversy. Child abuse arrests shot up like a rocket once Trump replaced Obama. The NXIVM case (billionaires smuggling children across borders and violently brainwashing women into obedience) grinds on. What’s this about a military base? Was it ranting, or was he talking about the Presidio case?
    The single biggest omission is how this guy got his firearm[s]. It looks possible that he could have gotten them legally, which in Germany means years of work, membership in hunting clubs, two floor-bolted safes subject to police inspection, limitation to one caliber (at first), waiting, a battery of tests, and regular renewal — and, of course, the State paying close attention to you.
    In a city with so many Turks he could obviously have also just walked around all that Germanic punishment of law abiding citizens. Either way, a bad day for gun control.
    And, as with the Virginia damage control joke (the other day the only NPR story about Virginia was about the elimination of an old, never-enforced law about public obscenity. Nothing To See Here), how crazy and violent would this guy be without the de facto legalization of rape, assault, and murder? Would he have had the guts to defy a police force which did not turn away rape victims, which kept New Year’s safe, and which did not run away from criminals in fear or give up on whole neighborhoods? Wouldn’t cops enforcing existing law on nonwhites also have deterrent effect on potential extremist whites?

  56. Is this science?

    Meet the Physicist Predicting When Online Hate Will Turn to Real-World Violence

    Looks more like educated white people’s voodoo to me.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    In other words, despite the loss of Mark "Shoulders" Potok, the basic SPLC scam is still quite virulent, and even metastasizing. Guessing that the numerous nonwhite online expressions of hate are not part of the data set here.
    , @Kratoklastes

    Is this science?
     
    Nope. It's self-promotion. I was shocked that it wasn't Brian Cox.

    For one: for cases that do not involve religious extremism, his model is severely constrained by the lack of availability of data on a critical explanatory variable - namely "What meds is the person on?".

    That is the perennial dog that is not permitted to bark.

    Take the recent murder-suicide in Australia - perpetrated by a former rubgy league player, with the other victims being his estranged (ex?)wife and their 3 children. Obviously a lifelong meathead, probably a past user of anabolic steroids, and his relationship was obviously stuffed ... but shit only really started to go sideways when he bought into the "being unhappy is mental illness" trope being forced down men's throats these days, and visited a psychocharlatan.

    Guy apparently doused the car (containing (ex?)wife and kids) in petrol and set it alight, then stabbed himself to death.

    We all know that the 1966 Texas A&M shooter had a tumour in his brain: how many 'mass shooters' and other perpetrators of non-politically-motivated violence have a pharmacological equivalent when they 'decide' to do things that otherwise defy explanation?

    , @J.Ross
    It looks like (science journalism batting a thousand for separating headline from story) this guy is not predicting violence (and definitely not of the lone nut surprise type as in Hanau) but organization, which makes him an idiot, as that's something the feds have obsessed over and written several "the book"s on since at least the 80s. It would be like me starting an air travel safety bureau, from scratch, by myself. I was worried this racist cargo cult joke would be used to justify legislation or new organizational activity, but he's written up here for re-inventing wheels.
  57. >>Is this science?

    Meet the Physicist Predicting When Online Hate Will Turn to Real-World Violence

    Looks more like educated white people’s voodoo to me.<<

    Gee, if Mr. Scientist is writing it, that must be science. If people were paper clips and pick up sticks, perhaps.

    Odd that this objective observer seems only to notice certain forms of violence, but not others. I suppose the Chinese Communists are interested in this. Lots of Uyghers to worry about, etc.

    This falls under a familiar fallacy of believing that if we only collected enough data, we can predict future human behavior. Sometimes, partly, maybe, probably not. See, humans are made up of the same stuff as everything else. All operating in quantum physics reality. So as they have proven, when you actually "look" at quantum particles, you change them. QED

  58. @prime noticer
    i just realized when Metallica cut their hair in 1996, their hair was shorter than the Beatles in 1964. whoa.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so. Alice In Chains most vocally.

    out of respect i won't post those photos. yikes. they looked terrible.

    Metallica kinda had no choice: Lars was already going bald, and he was at least as important as Hetfield. The bassist at the time (Jason Newstead) did what he was told, and (from memory) Kirk Hammett didn’t cut his hair.

    Alice in Chains made fun of them? That’s high-school shit I would expect from leather-pants-wearing gaylords like G’n’R (or Poison… KEK).

    (Crosses fingers and hopes that Tool’s Maynard didn’t join the mock-pile… he is an artful troll, that dude.).

    Did NIN change their hair, ever? Who knows? more importantly: is Trent Reznor actually Gerard Butler?

    True fact: “Nothing Else Matters” is one of the only two pieces of music I ever managed to play anywhere near properly. The other is “Wish You Were Here“. I lose interest quickly when payoffs are low – which is why people who can play chess don’t impress me one iota, and also why I assign zero significance to ‘findings’ from the bullshit zero-expected-payoff ‘studies’ by Kahnemann and his ilk.

  59. @Reg Cæsar
    Is this science?

    Meet the Physicist Predicting When Online Hate Will Turn to Real-World Violence

    Looks more like educated white people's voodoo to me.

    In other words, despite the loss of Mark “Shoulders” Potok, the basic SPLC scam is still quite virulent, and even metastasizing. Guessing that the numerous nonwhite online expressions of hate are not part of the data set here.

  60. Wow, I joined the USAF during peak hair … glad I dodged that bullet.

  61. I don’t understand the timing. It seems that most of these High School students would be ten years out-of-date with their hair length. Were Boomers really that uncool? Did they get their haircut ideas from old Life magazines at the dentist’s waiting room?

  62. @Reg Cæsar
    Is this science?

    Meet the Physicist Predicting When Online Hate Will Turn to Real-World Violence

    Looks more like educated white people's voodoo to me.

    Is this science?

    Nope. It’s self-promotion. I was shocked that it wasn’t Brian Cox.

    For one: for cases that do not involve religious extremism, his model is severely constrained by the lack of availability of data on a critical explanatory variable – namely “What meds is the person on?”.

    That is the perennial dog that is not permitted to bark.

    Take the recent murder-suicide in Australia – perpetrated by a former rubgy league player, with the other victims being his estranged (ex?)wife and their 3 children. Obviously a lifelong meathead, probably a past user of anabolic steroids, and his relationship was obviously stuffed … but shit only really started to go sideways when he bought into the “being unhappy is mental illness” trope being forced down men’s throats these days, and visited a psychocharlatan.

    Guy apparently doused the car (containing (ex?)wife and kids) in petrol and set it alight, then stabbed himself to death.

    We all know that the 1966 Texas A&M shooter had a tumour in his brain: how many ‘mass shooters’ and other perpetrators of non-politically-motivated violence have a pharmacological equivalent when they ‘decide’ to do things that otherwise defy explanation?

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    We all know that the 1966 Texas A&M shooter had a tumour in his brain: how many ‘mass shooters’ and other perpetrators of non-politically-motivated violence have a pharmacological equivalent when they ‘decide’ to do things that otherwise defy explanation?
     
    University of Texas, not TAMU.
  63. I, too, think the graph for men’s hair lags real life by about five years. But it mirrors TV sitcoms from the mid-70s to the early 1980s perfectly. Welcome Back, Kotter aired from 1975 to 1979, and WKRP in Cincinnati aired from 1978 to 1982, iirc.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Fashions tend to take a few years to spread from the big cities to the middle of the country, which means, paradoxically, that they peak in popularity after they've already started going out of fashion.
  64. @Reg Cæsar
    Is this science?

    Meet the Physicist Predicting When Online Hate Will Turn to Real-World Violence

    Looks more like educated white people's voodoo to me.

    It looks like (science journalism batting a thousand for separating headline from story) this guy is not predicting violence (and definitely not of the lone nut surprise type as in Hanau) but organization, which makes him an idiot, as that’s something the feds have obsessed over and written several “the book”s on since at least the 80s. It would be like me starting an air travel safety bureau, from scratch, by myself. I was worried this racist cargo cult joke would be used to justify legislation or new organizational activity, but he’s written up here for re-inventing wheels.

  65. @PiltdownMan
    I, too, think the graph for men's hair lags real life by about five years. But it mirrors TV sitcoms from the mid-70s to the early 1980s perfectly. Welcome Back, Kotter aired from 1975 to 1979, and WKRP in Cincinnati aired from 1978 to 1982, iirc.

    https://i.imgur.com/Y0FTt1m.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ijKnmI3.jpg

    Fashions tend to take a few years to spread from the big cities to the middle of the country, which means, paradoxically, that they peak in popularity after they’ve already started going out of fashion.

  66. @Kratoklastes

    Is this science?
     
    Nope. It's self-promotion. I was shocked that it wasn't Brian Cox.

    For one: for cases that do not involve religious extremism, his model is severely constrained by the lack of availability of data on a critical explanatory variable - namely "What meds is the person on?".

    That is the perennial dog that is not permitted to bark.

    Take the recent murder-suicide in Australia - perpetrated by a former rubgy league player, with the other victims being his estranged (ex?)wife and their 3 children. Obviously a lifelong meathead, probably a past user of anabolic steroids, and his relationship was obviously stuffed ... but shit only really started to go sideways when he bought into the "being unhappy is mental illness" trope being forced down men's throats these days, and visited a psychocharlatan.

    Guy apparently doused the car (containing (ex?)wife and kids) in petrol and set it alight, then stabbed himself to death.

    We all know that the 1966 Texas A&M shooter had a tumour in his brain: how many 'mass shooters' and other perpetrators of non-politically-motivated violence have a pharmacological equivalent when they 'decide' to do things that otherwise defy explanation?

    We all know that the 1966 Texas A&M shooter had a tumour in his brain: how many ‘mass shooters’ and other perpetrators of non-politically-motivated violence have a pharmacological equivalent when they ‘decide’ to do things that otherwise defy explanation?

    University of Texas, not TAMU.

  67. @Tiny Duck
    In non-snarky real world news yet another far right terrorist has used a gun to murder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/europe/germany-hanau-shisha-bar-shooting.html

    This is why we NEED to shut down sites and thoughts like this that traffic in hate

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    far right terrorist

    Actually a mentally disturbed person who claims to have been monitored constantly, from birth, via a tracking device implanted in him. The monitoring was being done by secret agencies, who stole his thoughts.

    He came up with the idea for many recent hit movies and TV shows but the secret agencies spying on him stole the ideas and sent them directly to Hollywood, who then made the movies without crediting him. Naturally this enraged him.

    He also claimed the same secret agencies have interfered with his life to prevent him from ever having a relationship with a woman. This also enraged him.

    He believed the secret agencies that constantly stole his thoughts, and tormented him for years, also conduct huge-scale rituals in which they roundup and kill children in underground facilities.

    That is just some of his reported manifesto. This was a sick, sick person. He is more angry at the secret agencies that ruined his life than anything, and his manifesto contained only a few stray lines about race, and lots more anger at Hollywood for complicity in stealing his ideas, along with the secret societies / agencies.

    He released an English-language video addressed to Americans urging people to stand up against the satanic secret societies he said were in control.

    One report, with corroborating photograph, has him peripherally involved with the Green Party as of 2011. No connection to the Nationalist-Right or to the moderate-nationalist AfD, which has come under attack from all the usual suspects despite this being an obvious nut.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Correction on the Green Party connection and Tobias Rathjen, the Feb. 19, 2020, mentally disturbed shooter in Germany.

    The report that has surfaced, apparently confirmed, is that the secret-agencies-are-stealing-my-thoughts guy's father has long and deep ties to the Green Party.

    The father is a Green Party politician at the local level.

    Unclear if the son, Tobias Rathjen, himself ever found time to join Green politics, time out from his busy life of having his thoughts monitored, his ideas viciously stolen, and the other daily humiliations by the secret agency that controlled his life.

    , @J.Ross
    Now that his manifesto is out it's clear he was a worst case scenario schizophrenic (like in the Larry Niven story where the medication-governor quietly fails and the schizo confidently decides to back a spaceship up to a house): capable of highly functioning (banker, coins, rich) but exactly the sort which ought to be monitored.
    Asking for the third time: were his guns proof that gun control doesn't work because they were perfectly legal, or were they proof that gun control doesn't work because they were illegal?
    The Mail story would have you believe that his problem was political, dishonestly connecting all his rants to legitimate issues, when in fact this was the guy demonstrating that the cult of appearing respectable is stupid and dangerous because he did publicly appear respectable.
  68. @Hail

    far right terrorist
     
    Actually a mentally disturbed person who claims to have been monitored constantly, from birth, via a tracking device implanted in him. The monitoring was being done by secret agencies, who stole his thoughts.

    He came up with the idea for many recent hit movies and TV shows but the secret agencies spying on him stole the ideas and sent them directly to Hollywood, who then made the movies without crediting him. Naturally this enraged him.

    He also claimed the same secret agencies have interfered with his life to prevent him from ever having a relationship with a woman. This also enraged him.

    He believed the secret agencies that constantly stole his thoughts, and tormented him for years, also conduct huge-scale rituals in which they roundup and kill children in underground facilities.

    That is just some of his reported manifesto. This was a sick, sick person. He is more angry at the secret agencies that ruined his life than anything, and his manifesto contained only a few stray lines about race, and lots more anger at Hollywood for complicity in stealing his ideas, along with the secret societies / agencies.

    He released an English-language video addressed to Americans urging people to stand up against the satanic secret societies he said were in control.

    One report, with corroborating photograph, has him peripherally involved with the Green Party as of 2011. No connection to the Nationalist-Right or to the moderate-nationalist AfD, which has come under attack from all the usual suspects despite this being an obvious nut.

    Correction on the Green Party connection and Tobias Rathjen, the Feb. 19, 2020, mentally disturbed shooter in Germany.

    The report that has surfaced, apparently confirmed, is that the secret-agencies-are-stealing-my-thoughts guy’s father has long and deep ties to the Green Party.

    The father is a Green Party politician at the local level.

    Unclear if the son, Tobias Rathjen, himself ever found time to join Green politics, time out from his busy life of having his thoughts monitored, his ideas viciously stolen, and the other daily humiliations by the secret agency that controlled his life.

  69. @Hail

    far right terrorist
     
    Actually a mentally disturbed person who claims to have been monitored constantly, from birth, via a tracking device implanted in him. The monitoring was being done by secret agencies, who stole his thoughts.

    He came up with the idea for many recent hit movies and TV shows but the secret agencies spying on him stole the ideas and sent them directly to Hollywood, who then made the movies without crediting him. Naturally this enraged him.

    He also claimed the same secret agencies have interfered with his life to prevent him from ever having a relationship with a woman. This also enraged him.

    He believed the secret agencies that constantly stole his thoughts, and tormented him for years, also conduct huge-scale rituals in which they roundup and kill children in underground facilities.

    That is just some of his reported manifesto. This was a sick, sick person. He is more angry at the secret agencies that ruined his life than anything, and his manifesto contained only a few stray lines about race, and lots more anger at Hollywood for complicity in stealing his ideas, along with the secret societies / agencies.

    He released an English-language video addressed to Americans urging people to stand up against the satanic secret societies he said were in control.

    One report, with corroborating photograph, has him peripherally involved with the Green Party as of 2011. No connection to the Nationalist-Right or to the moderate-nationalist AfD, which has come under attack from all the usual suspects despite this being an obvious nut.

    Now that his manifesto is out it’s clear he was a worst case scenario schizophrenic (like in the Larry Niven story where the medication-governor quietly fails and the schizo confidently decides to back a spaceship up to a house): capable of highly functioning (banker, coins, rich) but exactly the sort which ought to be monitored.
    Asking for the third time: were his guns proof that gun control doesn’t work because they were perfectly legal, or were they proof that gun control doesn’t work because they were illegal?
    The Mail story would have you believe that his problem was political, dishonestly connecting all his rants to legitimate issues, when in fact this was the guy demonstrating that the cult of appearing respectable is stupid and dangerous because he did publicly appear respectable.

    • Replies: @Hail
    The reaction to this case from the state apparatus, to this obvious mentally disturbed person and schizophrenic's-worst-case-scenario mass shooting was the shameless and total scapegoating of the Right and nationalists, which is instructive. Needless to say, also disturbing in its own right.

    The shooter's 24-page manifesto had only part of two pages with any mention of race or immigrants. He said he realized in 1999 that "southern people" (Südländer) were trouble, based on news reports he'd been reading and personal experiences. But that was far behind in importance to him than the perfidy of the secret agencies.

    Front-and-center of his manifesto was the long, street-corner-diatribe-like writings about secret agencies that have been trying to control his brain for decades.

    (Not a perfect analogy, but) This would be liked after the Oklahoma City bombing, having blanket coverage of how bad the Communist Party USA and other left-wing groups are, and calling for the rounding up of their members and outlawing of them, because Tim McVeigh once criticized capitalism in passing.

  70. @Anonymous
    Thats actually Marc Storace from Krokus.


    He is Swiss, but Nikki Sixx from sunset strip in a more impolitic day said he looked like a mexican waiter. Metal bands used to dis a bit like rap guys now.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2719586/

    He is Swiss

    So is the name ‘Sailer,’ according to legend. The mystery deepens.

    Also, is Marc Storace from Krokus an alias Mel Gibson uses on weekends?

  71. @prime noticer
    i just realized when Metallica cut their hair in 1996, their hair was shorter than the Beatles in 1964. whoa.

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so. Alice In Chains most vocally.

    out of respect i won't post those photos. yikes. they looked terrible.

    After seeing this clip from ’94 where Metallica were making fun of Alice in Chains I’d say they had more than enough reason to return fire:

  72. @The Wild Geese Howard

    everybody made of fun of them for it, and rightly so.
     
    Everyone made fun of Metallica in 1996 because they released their first grunge album Load that year.

    By itself, Load was a serviceable album.

    The real problems were:

    1) Grunge peaked somewhere in '93 or '94, so they were two years late to the party

    2) Metallica had intentionally released thematically heavier, more somber albums during the effervescent glam metal era to set themselves apart; now they were just latching on to the end of a trend, of course they were going to lose respect from a lot of people

    3) Metallica's earlier works were much more musically, lyrically, and thematically complex and sophisticated versus Load; the album came off as a huge devolution of the group's music and style compared to what had gone before, even the relatively watered down and fan-friendly eponymous Black Album.

    Even worse they followed it up with Reload.

  73. @J1234
    "Most young people were hippies in the late 60's," is one of the great false stereotypes of popular culture. It's easily refuted by looking at high school yearbooks of the era, at least for schools in the Midwest were I lived. Of course, the argument could be made that people didn't really become "hippies" until they were college age, but I'm not sure that the hair length of college students would've been much different. They were 2-4 years older than h.s. students and probably even more connected to the hair styles of the recent past. OTOH, kids were free of their parents' control in college, so their hair might've been a bit longer.

    My older brothers graduated in '68 and '70, so I frequently looked through their yearbooks when I was in high school in the mid-70's. My hair was notably longer than my brothers or their classmates. The irony is that, in many ways, the 70's were a real backlash against the radical left political movements of the '60's, and my somewhat working class high school typified that. It was funny to see self-styled "hippie" teachers who went into college in the late '60's get their first teaching assignment at our somewhat thuggish and racist high school. They expected to be idolized by the students for their hipness but instead they were ridiculed.

    In truth, hair length meant little. Nevertheless, I always laugh when I see Canned Heat's Alan Wilson sporting the math/science nerd look circa 1967. He died of an overdose a few years later.

    http://alanwilsoncannedheat.com/images/with%20his%20instrument/playingGuitar.jpg

    Alan Wilson had serious mental health problems. One of the best popular music of the era, but a very unbalanced young man.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    He sure could make a guitar sing though.
  74. @JMcG
    Great, great channel, but he looks like a smacked ass with that hair. When he has Larry Vickers on he looks like a 17 year old beta next to him. I really do like his channel very much though.

    I always thought Ian was going for the Gen. Custer look:

  75. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, I was a schoolboy when the Beatles were having their early success. You had to have your hair off the forehead, with sideburns no more than 1/3 of the way down the ear, hair off the ears, and hair one inch off the collar. So the Beatles would have been sent home from school if they showed up looking scandalous as in the picture above.

    How could I forget?

    Where’d you go to school, Parris Island? I don’t remember any such regs in the public schools of the D’.C. area at that time. And hair off the forehead? Everbody wore their hair across the forehead with a side part once JFK took office. E.g., Bruce Springsteen in 1966 (albeit kind of a shaggy version of the JFK cut, getting on towards the long hair days):

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+springsteen+images+high+school&sxsrf=ALeKk02Kfp4A-zjGpYIJdriqTjwbk35xcQ:1582260286719&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=pQpLD_zHUW5CrM%253A%252CUusHfox8JEb8rM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTlxE81975a4VtWq3Ug4VN5SpVUhA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjSztPy6uHnAhXQ854KHXfXCv4Q9QEwAHoECAoQBQ#imgrc=OvgzS2Vu-WiUtM

  76. @MBlanc46
    Alan Wilson had serious mental health problems. One of the best popular music of the era, but a very unbalanced young man.

    He sure could make a guitar sing though.

  77. We have an apricot miniature poodle nick named Bob Ross after the guy in the show the Joy of Painting. He has got a wigger fro that looks even cooler when we shave his face and neck. When we put a ring around his tail he looks like a lion albeit 1/50th the size.

  78. @Daniel H
    Perusing the yearbooks of my local high school on Long Island, NY. It appears that rally long hair - hippiesh/biker type hair - really became a thing with the class of 1972. The hair had been creeping longer since the mid sixties but most lads were sporing "modish", mid-sixties, beatlesque looks until 1972 when it seems like 1/4 of the class was sporting shoulder length hair. Another factum which supports the notion that most of the '60s actually occurred in the '70s.

    Perusing the yearbooks of my local high school on Long Island, NY. It appears that rally long hair – hippiesh/biker type hair – really became a thing with the class of 1972

    In his book Seasons In Hell, covering his two years (1973-74) as the Texas Rangers beat writer for one of the Dallas papers, Mike Shropshire makes this very point. While 1968 was the powder keg year, 1973 (vs 1968) yearbooks were the ones showing all the long hair. Shropshire ties this point into the general appearance of baseball players in 1973.

  79. @Tiny Duck
    In non-snarky real world news yet another far right terrorist has used a gun to murder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/world/europe/germany-hanau-shisha-bar-shooting.html

    This is why we NEED to shut down sites and thoughts like this that traffic in hate

    Germany has had an explosion in white supremacist violence

    Vince Dennis, er Tiny Duck, if this site was shut down you would be out of a job.

    Btw, very few typos in this post, this can’t be the real Tiny Duck. Now get back to listening to your real smart brothas podcast or whatever the hell it is you do for fun.

  80. @Anon
    As a pre-teen in Detroit in 1968, boys' hair was supposed to be as long as possible (or as wide, if you had to rock a Jewfro), a la the MC5 for example.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f730a0af1b19e76842208e5b62601a51e6114796/c=203-0-2561-1773&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2015/07/06/DetroitNews/DetroitNews/635718173514874743-mc5-a.jpg

    Of course, high schools would enforce some order (long hair being a sign of "rebelliousness") but by graduation (1974) yearbook photos showed the maximum amount of hair I could imagine possible.

    If the peak was "late 70s into the 80s) I can't imagine any room for the rest of the face or body in such photos.

    Although I don’t think any member of the MC5 was actually Jewish, were they? I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure they were all just white working-class types from the Detroit environs. I looked up Rob Tyner (Derminer) on wikipedia and see no mention of Jewish heritage or upbringing. He definitely had that weird “jewfro” hair that you mentioned. Interestingly Rob’s wife when he died was named Becky.
    Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters (I had the radio friendly version of this song on an old 8 track anthology of ‘heavy metal’ music).

    • Replies: @Anon
    At this point I wouldn't be surprised to hear that anyone -- Woodrow Wilson, Douglas MacArthur -- was really a Jew (or "secretly Canadian" as they say). But I use "Jewfro" as a generic term. In my working class neighborhood, there were lots of "white ethnics" as we say today -- Poles, Slovaks, etc. -- whose hair responded to the 60s demand that "all cool kids have long hair" by not so much growing longer as growing out and around. A few actually wound up using "afro picks" instead of Ace pocket combs.
  81. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    Perusing the yearbooks of my local high school on Long Island, NY. It appears that rally long hair - hippiesh/biker type hair - really became a thing with the class of 1972. The hair had been creeping longer since the mid sixties but most lads were sporing "modish", mid-sixties, beatlesque looks until 1972 when it seems like 1/4 of the class was sporting shoulder length hair. Another factum which supports the notion that most of the '60s actually occurred in the '70s.

    The Sixties were still the Fifties for middle class Middle America. For most people, drug use and sex outside marriage were still considered morally wrong (they happened, but you didn’t consider it okay), young men had a duty to serve, and go to Vietnam if necessary, if drafted, most people were at least nominal members of a church and admitted atheists were shunned. Homosexuals at least publicly maintained the appearance of being heterosexual.

    If you were not as above, you were a fringe beatnik, hippie, longhair, or something. Core Americans dressed, coiffed and groomed themselves like the staff of JFK’s White House in the office or church and like Beach Boys off work. Golly gee, you did not use foul language in public and comported yourself like they did in proper society.

    It was in the miasma after Watergate and the humiliation of getting run out of Vietnam by smelly little brown orientals that Core America adopted fringe mores and behaviors. Snorting coke, smoking pot and screwing anything that moved became routine mass behaviors.

    People with low future time orientation, people with lower cognition, and people without functional family and community support systems were most impacted. Decades and in some cases centuries of social capital evaporated in family disconnections, illegitimacy, miscegenation, and educational and business abandonment.

  82. In my neighborhood and time of high school in N. Virginia, circa 1971-75, most of us had parents who were military/government who simply wouldn’t have their own sons running around with long hair looking like girls/half-a-fags.

  83. @Clyde
    1980s big hair from about 1983 onward. Mullets, big hair rock bands from LA and everywhere. The Bon Jovi Band photos from back then are hilarious. Girls had big hair, elaborate at times and so did guys, some guys. The hair spray manufacturers were becoming billionaires. And don't forget mullets on guys and girls!
    The young people of America were more happy and exuberant. More care free.

    And don’t forget mullets on guys and girls!

    I hear the mullet is making a comeback.

    I hate them on girls, love them on guys, as long as they flow and aren’t too choppy.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    An excellent example of the trend for surname to dictate ethnicity: despite his Portuguese ancestry, Steve Perry does not get to be "Latino," since his name is not Steve Perez....
  84. @Jonathan Mason
    Surprising! I would have thought men's hair was at its longest around the early 70's, as by 1980 short hair was coming back into fashion.

    These men were mass media role models and could afford the best salon care:

    1972

    https://storiedicalcio.altervista.org/blog/coppa_uefa/images/Liverpool_Coppa_UEFA_1972-73.jpg

    1980. The younger players are sporting shorter hair styles.


    https://www.lfchistory.net/images/lfc/1979-1980.jpg.

    However, it could be that 1979-80 was a peak year for male student attendance in college at a time when haircuts, which once had been a very cheap item on the budget, were starting to become expensive.

    When I was a young lad, the cost of a weekly or monthly haircut was negligible and there were always lines in men's barber shops, but over my life time, the price has become relatively much higher and I nearly always cut it myself at home unless I am traveling overseas and can get a cheaper haircut for a few dollars.

    It could be that the advent of longer hairstyles for men meant that cutting men's hair became more similar to cutting women's hair and required additional skills and products, and that the price did not really back down again when shorter hair styles became more popular.

    In addition electric trimmers with shields--the equivalent of powered lawn mowers for men's hair-- are much more available and affordable than they were in the 1960's.

    Certainly there is not much to short hairstyles for men as prison inmates are able to cut the hair of other inmates with only minimal training and not having to get the cosmetology license, which takes about a year to earn and costs a lot of money.

    In my state you cannot cut hair for money without said license and a licensed salon, otherwise you are guilty of something similar to practicing medicine without a license!

    When I was a young lad, the cost of a weekly or monthly haircut was negligible and there were always lines in men’s barber shops, but over my life time, the price has become relatively much higher and I nearly always cut it myself at home . . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowbee

  85. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @duncsbaby
    Although I don't think any member of the MC5 was actually Jewish, were they? I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure they were all just white working-class types from the Detroit environs. I looked up Rob Tyner (Derminer) on wikipedia and see no mention of Jewish heritage or upbringing. He definitely had that weird "jewfro" hair that you mentioned. Interestingly Rob's wife when he died was named Becky.
    Kick out the jams, brothers and sisters (I had the radio friendly version of this song on an old 8 track anthology of 'heavy metal' music).

    At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that anyone — Woodrow Wilson, Douglas MacArthur — was really a Jew (or “secretly Canadian” as they say). But I use “Jewfro” as a generic term. In my working class neighborhood, there were lots of “white ethnics” as we say today — Poles, Slovaks, etc. — whose hair responded to the 60s demand that “all cool kids have long hair” by not so much growing longer as growing out and around. A few actually wound up using “afro picks” instead of Ace pocket combs.

  86. @El Dato
    He looks like a mad composer

    Rathjen, pictured bottom right in a yearbook photo from 1996
     
    The Daily Fail is digging deep!

    There are already photos of wreath-laying and banner waving anti-racist vigils. Maybe wait a bit? Or is the concern of disturbing the peace that high?


    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told crowds that Germans and foreigners should unite to defeat racism.
     
    I am concerned about the reification of beliefs which for some apparently take on physical forms and wander in our midst. That's a sure sign of psychosis.

    Also, note to German policewomen: Keep your hair short!

    German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier told crowds that Germans and foreigners should unite to defeat racism.

    “Foreigners? Foreigners?!” I cannot even. The German president needs to “get woke” – as Mr. Sailer has explained, a person cannot be foreign any more than he can be illegal; these people are not foreigners, but, rather, they are nonresident Germans (and nonresident Americans, nonresident Frenchmen, nonresident Englishmen, nonresident Canadians…).

  87. @Rosie

    And don’t forget mullets on guys and girls!
     
    I hear the mullet is making a comeback.

    I hate them on girls, love them on guys, as long as they flow and aren't too choppy.

    https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2012/07/Perry.jpg?w=980&q=75

    An excellent example of the trend for surname to dictate ethnicity: despite his Portuguese ancestry, Steve Perry does not get to be “Latino,” since his name is not Steve Perez….

  88. @J.Ross
    Now that his manifesto is out it's clear he was a worst case scenario schizophrenic (like in the Larry Niven story where the medication-governor quietly fails and the schizo confidently decides to back a spaceship up to a house): capable of highly functioning (banker, coins, rich) but exactly the sort which ought to be monitored.
    Asking for the third time: were his guns proof that gun control doesn't work because they were perfectly legal, or were they proof that gun control doesn't work because they were illegal?
    The Mail story would have you believe that his problem was political, dishonestly connecting all his rants to legitimate issues, when in fact this was the guy demonstrating that the cult of appearing respectable is stupid and dangerous because he did publicly appear respectable.

    The reaction to this case from the state apparatus, to this obvious mentally disturbed person and schizophrenic’s-worst-case-scenario mass shooting was the shameless and total scapegoating of the Right and nationalists, which is instructive. Needless to say, also disturbing in its own right.

    The shooter’s 24-page manifesto had only part of two pages with any mention of race or immigrants. He said he realized in 1999 that “southern people” (Südländer) were trouble, based on news reports he’d been reading and personal experiences. But that was far behind in importance to him than the perfidy of the secret agencies.

    Front-and-center of his manifesto was the long, street-corner-diatribe-like writings about secret agencies that have been trying to control his brain for decades.

    (Not a perfect analogy, but) This would be liked after the Oklahoma City bombing, having blanket coverage of how bad the Communist Party USA and other left-wing groups are, and calling for the rounding up of their members and outlawing of them, because Tim McVeigh once criticized capitalism in passing.

  89. @Otter
    I graduated in 1978. But our school had a dress code and hair code as we were very athletically oriented. This was a high school just outside of Houston. But my peer groups at other schools that did not have hair codes Had hilariously Long hair and feathered in the middle. I just happen to be looking at a 1978 high school yearbook for Deer Park, just outside of Houston, and the boys hairstyles were absolutely hilarious. Note: Two years later Animal House has changed everyone to a Preppy!

    I graduated in 1978 […] my peer groups at other schools that did not have hair codes Had hilariously Long hair

    I’d like to add this video to the record on this thread:

    July 1977, Oakland, California, which if you graduated in May/June 1978, would be right the summer before your final year in school.

    The Lynyrd Skynyrd crowd at Oakland that day was almost-all-White, with a majority of the crowd probably born late-1940s to late-1950s, and a fair few of high school age. Note hairstyles in the crow (as well as onstage); best seen in audience shots at 1:00-1:05, 1:25-1:30, 3:10-3:20; 4:20-4:30, 6:20-6:40.

    The guitarist with the solo at 5:30 has a hairstyle almost unknown for a man today.

    (Video originally posted at another thread, but just as relevant here.)

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    I was there but I had cut my hair short by then.
  90. @Hail

    I graduated in 1978 [...] my peer groups at other schools that did not have hair codes Had hilariously Long hair
     
    I'd like to add this video to the record on this thread:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GxWmSVv-cY

    July 1977, Oakland, California, which if you graduated in May/June 1978, would be right the summer before your final year in school.

    The Lynyrd Skynyrd crowd at Oakland that day was almost-all-White, with a majority of the crowd probably born late-1940s to late-1950s, and a fair few of high school age. Note hairstyles in the crow (as well as onstage); best seen in audience shots at 1:00-1:05, 1:25-1:30, 3:10-3:20; 4:20-4:30, 6:20-6:40.

    The guitarist with the solo at 5:30 has a hairstyle almost unknown for a man today.

    (Video originally posted at another thread, but just as relevant here.)

    I was there but I had cut my hair short by then.

    • Replies: @Hail
    You were at that particular concert? Any memories?
  91. @Prof. Woland
    I was there but I had cut my hair short by then.

    You were at that particular concert? Any memories?

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    Vague ones. I will start with a joke: Q How do you know when they are running out of marijuana at a Grateful Dead Concert? A People are putting their fingers in their ears and are saying how shitty the music is. The Oakland coliseum is no place to watch a football game let alone a concert. The acoustics are horrible and if you sit in the bleachers, you are so far away from the stage that it is hard to see anything.

    The first concert I went to was Lynyrd Skynyrd concernt in 1976? at Winterland in SF. Much better venue. Charlie Daniels was the opening act. I was probably a sophomore in HS.
  92. @Hail
    You were at that particular concert? Any memories?

    Vague ones. I will start with a joke: Q How do you know when they are running out of marijuana at a Grateful Dead Concert? A People are putting their fingers in their ears and are saying how shitty the music is. The Oakland coliseum is no place to watch a football game let alone a concert. The acoustics are horrible and if you sit in the bleachers, you are so far away from the stage that it is hard to see anything.

    The first concert I went to was Lynyrd Skynyrd concernt in 1976? at Winterland in SF. Much better venue. Charlie Daniels was the opening act. I was probably a sophomore in HS.

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