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From The Atlantic, an article by psychologist Jonathan Haidt (whose book, The Righteous Mind, I reviewed for Taki’s in 2012) and Greg Lukianoff of FIRE. Their basic argument is that the current college mindset of mania about microaggressions and trigger warnings is therapy perfectly designed to worsen the mental health of college students by engraining in them self-destructive “habits of mind” that are the exact inverses of the effective habits of mind taught by Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is often the most cost-effective form of psychological therapy. Of course, making young people unhappier and more dependent upon institutions is considered a feature, not a bug by people who hope to make a living out of preying upon the young.
The Coddling of the American Mind [link fixed]
In the name of emotional well-being, college students are increasingly demanding protection from words and ideas they don’t like. Here’s why that’s disastrous for education—and mental health.
GREG LUKIANOFF AND JONATHAN HAIDT SEPTEMBER 2015 ISSUE
Something strange is happening at America’s colleges and universities. A movement is arising, undirected and driven largely by students, to scrub campuses clean of words, ideas, and subjects that might cause discomfort or give offense. …
Two terms have risen quickly from obscurity into common campus parlance. Microaggressions are small actions or word choices that seem on their face to have no malicious intent but that are thought of as a kind of violence nonetheless.
When I first wrote a column on the cult of microaggressions in March 2013, I worried that I was making a mountain out of a molehill, that the term was such an easy joke that it would die out. After all, microaggressions comprise much of daily life and, especially, the pages of English literature:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eymdx4xomM
But instead the term “microagression” has gotten increasingly institutionalized.
… Trigger warnings are alerts that professors are expected to issue if something in a course might cause a strong emotional response. …
The press has typically described these developments as a resurgence of political correctness. That’s partly right, although there are important differences between what’s happening now and what happened in the 1980s and ’90s. That movement sought to restrict speech (specifically hate speech aimed at marginalized groups), but it also challenged the literary, philosophical, and historical canon, seeking to widen it by including more-diverse perspectives. The current movement is largely about emotional well-being.
The Diversify the Canon craze of 25 years ago in college English departments was largely about catering to the resentments and insecurities of everybody who wasn’t a Dead White European Male, combined with increasing job security for English professors by creating a barrier to entry to teaching college English of mastering the jargon of some intentionally badly written Continental Theory that most people who love good writing wouldn’t want to do.
But it turned out that Shakespeare really is that good, and the people that students truly look up to, celebrities, often continue to find Shakespeare inspiring, so Shakespeare’s coolness couldn’t be scratched by 1990s’ Canon resentment.
More than the last, it presumes an extraordinary fragility of the collegiate psyche, and therefore elevates the goal of protecting students from psychological harm.
When I was looking into a hate hoax at Claremont Colleges in April 2002, I was struck by how obsessed the institutional apparatus was with “campus climate” (which was, at the time I visited, 72 degrees F with a 5 mph breeze gently wafting across the flowering campus but not blowing so hard as to interfere with the students playing frisbee golf).
The ultimate aim, it seems, is to turn campuses into “safe spaces” where young adults are shielded from words and ideas that make some uncomfortable. And more than the last, this movement seeks to punish anyone who interferes with that aim, even accidentally. You might call this impulse vindictive protectiveness. It is creating a culture in which everyone must think twice before speaking up, lest they face charges of insensitivity, aggression, or worse.
Another way to look at it is: We get to insult you, but you don’t get to insult us or even to laugh at us. “Who? Whom?” for me, but not for thee.
… But in this essay we focus on a different question: What are the effects of this new protectiveness on the students themselves? Does it benefit the people it is supposed to help? What exactly are students learning when they spend four years or more in a community that polices unintentional slights, places warning labels on works of classic literature, and in many other ways conveys the sense that words can be forms of violence that require strict control by campus authorities, who are expected to act as both protectors and prosecutors?
There’s a saying common in education circles: Don’t teach students what to think; teach them how to think. The idea goes back at least as far as Socrates. Today, what we call the Socratic method is a way of teaching that fosters critical thinking, in part by encouraging students to question their own unexamined beliefs, as well as the received wisdom of those around them. Such questioning sometimes leads to discomfort, and even to anger, on the way to understanding.
But vindictive protectiveness teaches students to think in a very different way. It prepares them poorly for professional life, which often demands intellectual engagement with people and ideas one might find uncongenial or wrong. The harm may be more immediate, too. A campus culture devoted to policing speech and punishing speakers is likely to engender patterns of thought that are surprisingly similar to those long identified by cognitive behavioral therapists as causes of depression and anxiety. The new protectiveness may be teaching students to think pathologically.
How Did We Get Here?
It’s difficult to know exactly why vindictive protectiveness has burst forth so powerfully in the past few years.
Don’t forget to include in the list the Obama re-election campaign.
The phenomenon may be related to recent changes in the interpretation of federal antidiscrimination statutes (about which more later). But the answer probably involves generational shifts as well. Childhood itself has changed greatly during the past generation. …
Social media makes it extraordinarily easy to join crusades, express solidarity and outrage, and shun traitors.
On The Simpsons, large crowds are constantly assembling to be harangued by demagogic orators who enraged them into a torch-carrying mob. Personally, this looks like a blast, but it doesn’t happen much in modern American life because we’re home watching TV.
Social media, however, lets the petty vindictiveness of village gossip go national.
The Thinking Cure
For millennia, philosophers have understood that we don’t see life as it is; we see a version distorted by our hopes, fears, and other attachments. The Buddha said, “Our life is the creation of our mind.” Marcus Aurelius said, “Life itself is but what you deem it.” The quest for wisdom in many traditions begins with this insight. Early Buddhists and the Stoics, for example, developed practices for reducing attachments, thinking more clearly, and finding release from the emotional torments of normal mental life.
Cognitive behavioral therapy is a modern embodiment of this ancient wisdom. It is the most extensively studied nonpharmaceutical treatment of mental illness, and is used widely to treat depression, anxiety disorders, eating disorders, and addiction. It can even be of help to schizophrenics. No other form of psychotherapy has been shown to work for a broader range of problems. Studies have generally found that it is as effective as antidepressant drugs (such as Prozac) in the treatment of anxiety and depression. The therapy is relatively quick and easy to learn; after a few months of training, many patients can do it on their own. Unlike drugs, cognitive behavioral therapy keeps working long after treatment is stopped, because it teaches thinking skills that people can continue to use.
The goal is to minimize distorted thinking and see the world more accurately. You start by learning the names of the dozen or so most common cognitive distortions (such as overgeneralizing, discounting positives, and emotional reasoning; see the list at the bottom of this article). Each time you notice yourself falling prey to one of them, you name it, describe the facts of the situation, consider alternative interpretations, and then choose an interpretation of events more in line with those facts. Your emotions follow your new interpretation. In time, this process becomes automatic. When people improve their mental hygiene in this way—when they free themselves from the repetitive irrational thoughts that had previously filled so much of their consciousness—they become less depressed, anxious, and angry.
CBT is not a miracle cure for everything, and reported effectiveness has been dropping over time for whatever reason. But it’s a good thing to know about.
The parallel to formal education is clear: cognitive behavioral therapy teaches good critical-thinking skills, the sort that educators have striven for so long to impart. By almost any definition, critical thinking requires grounding one’s beliefs in evidence rather than in emotion or desire, and learning how to search for and evaluate evidence that might contradict one’s initial hypothesis. But does campus life today foster critical thinking? Or does it coax students to think in more-distorted ways?
… Burns defines emotional reasoning as assuming “that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are: ‘I feel it, therefore it must be true.’ ” Leahy, Holland, and McGinn define it as letting “your feelings guide your interpretation of reality.” …
Emotional reasoning dominates many campus debates and discussions. A claim that someone’s words are “offensive” is not just an expression of one’s own subjective feeling of offendedness. It is, rather, a public charge that the speaker has done something objectively wrong. It is a demand that the speaker apologize or be punished by some authority for committing an offense.
There have always been some people who believe they have a right not to be offended. Yet throughout American history—from the Victorian era to the free-speech activism of the 1960s and ’70s—radicals have pushed boundaries and mocked prevailing sensibilities. Sometime in the 1980s, however, college campuses began to focus on preventing offensive speech, especially speech that might be hurtful to women or minority groups. The sentiment underpinning this goal was laudable, but it quickly produced some absurd results. …
Because there is a broad ban in academic circles on “blaming the victim,” it is generally considered unacceptable to question the reasonableness (let alone the sincerity) of someone’s emotional state, particularly if those emotions are linked to one’s group identity. …
Since 2013, new pressure from the federal government has reinforced this trend. Federal antidiscrimination statutes regulate on-campus harassment and unequal treatment based on sex, race, religion, and national origin. Until recently, the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights acknowledged that speech must be “objectively offensive” before it could be deemed actionable as sexual harassment—it would have to pass the “reasonable person” test. To be prohibited, the office wrote in 2003, allegedly harassing speech would have to go “beyond the mere expression of views, words, symbols or thoughts that some person finds offensive.”
But in 2013, the Departments of Justice and Education greatly broadened the definition of sexual harassment to include verbal conduct that is simply “unwelcome.” Out of fear of federal investigations, universities are now applying that standard—defining unwelcome speech as harassment—not just to sex, but to race, religion, and veteran status as well. Everyone is supposed to rely upon his or her own subjective feelings to decide whether a comment by a professor or a fellow student is unwelcome, and therefore grounds for a harassment claim. Emotional reasoning is now accepted as evidence.
If our universities are teaching students that their emotions can be used effectively as weapons—or at least as evidence in administrative proceedings—then they are teaching students to nurture a kind of hypersensitivity that will lead them into countless drawn-out conflicts in college and beyond. Schools may be training students in thinking styles that will damage their careers and friendships, along with their mental health. …
It’s hard to imagine how novels illustrating classism and privilege could provoke or reactivate the kind of terror that is typically implicated in PTSD. Rather, trigger warnings are sometimes demanded for a long list of ideas and attitudes that some students find politically offensive, in the name of preventing other students from being harmed. This is an example of what psychologists call “motivated reasoning”—we spontaneously generate arguments for conclusions we want to support. Once you find something hateful, it is easy to argue that exposure to the hateful thing could traumatize some other people.
… Classroom discussions are safe places to be exposed to incidental reminders of trauma (such as the word violate). A discussion of violence is unlikely to be followed by actual violence, so it is a good way to help students change the associations that are causing them discomfort. And they’d better get their habituation done in college, because the world beyond college will be far less willing to accommodate requests for trigger warnings and opt-outs. …
Just you wait … The corporate and government worlds has at least as much money to waste on squeaky wheels as the higher ed world.
The expansive use of trigger warnings may also foster unhealthy mental habits in the vastly larger group of students who do not suffer from PTSD or other anxiety disorders. People acquire their fears not just from their own past experiences, but from social learning as well.
… Burns defines magnification as “exaggerat[ing] the importance of things,” and Leahy, Holland, and McGinn define labeling as “assign[ing] global negative traits to yourself and others.” The recent collegiate trend of uncovering allegedly racist, sexist, classist, or otherwise discriminatory microaggressions doesn’t incidentally teach students to focus on small or accidental slights. Its purpose is to get students to focus on them and then relabel the people who have made such remarks as aggressors.
… Even joking about microaggressions can be seen as an aggression, warranting punishment.
Since the term “microaggression” is inherently comic, laughter is a good way to smoke out badthinkers.
What are we doing to our students if we encourage them to develop extra-thin skin in the years just before they leave the cocoon of adult protection and enter the workforce?
We’re creating even more conduct-policing makework jobs for cadres of SJWs in the adult world, which is, to a sizable extent, the point.
… Burns defines catastrophizing as a kind of magnification that turns “commonplace negative events into nightmarish monsters.” Leahy, Holland, and McGinn define it as believing “that what has happened or will happen” is “so awful and unbearable that you won’t be able to stand it.” Requests for trigger warnings involve catastrophizing, but this way of thinking colors other areas of campus thought as well….
All of these actions teach a common lesson: smart people do, in fact, overreact to innocuous speech, make mountains out of molehills, and seek punishment for anyone whose words make anyone else feel uncomfortable.
… As Burns defines it, mental filtering is “pick[ing] out a negative detail in any situation and dwell[ing] on it exclusively, thus perceiving that the whole situation is negative.” Leahy, Holland, and McGinn refer to this as “negative filtering,” which they define as “focus[ing] almost exclusively on the negatives and seldom notic[ing] the positives.” When applied to campus life, mental filtering allows for simpleminded demonization.
If campus culture conveys the idea that visitors must be pure, with résumés that never offend generally left-leaning campus sensibilities, then higher education will have taken a further step toward intellectual homogeneity and the creation of an environment in which students rarely encounter diverse viewpoints. And universities will have reinforced the belief that it’s okay to filter out the positive. If students graduate believing that they can learn nothing from people they dislike or from those with whom they disagree, we will have done them a great intellectual disservice. …
The biggest single step in the right direction does not involve faculty or university administrators, but rather the federal government, which should release universities from their fear of unreasonable investigation and sanctions by the Department of Education. Congress should define peer-on-peer harassment according to the Supreme Court’s definition in the 1999 case Davis v. Monroe County Board of Education. The Davis standard holds that a single comment or thoughtless remark by a student does not equal harassment; harassment requires a pattern of objectively offensive behavior by one student that interferes with another student’s access to education. Establishing the Davis standard would help eliminate universities’ impulse to police their students’ speech so carefully.
Below the fold is a list of common cognitive distortions used by CBT practitioners:
Common Cognitive Distortions
A partial list from Robert L. Leahy, Stephen J. F. Holland, and Lata K. McGinn’s Treatment Plans and Interventions for Depression and Anxiety Disorders (2012).
1. Mind reading. You assume that you know what people think without having sufficient evidence of their thoughts. “He thinks I’m a loser.”
2. Fortune-telling. You predict the future negatively: things will get worse, or there is danger ahead. “I’ll fail that exam,” or “I won’t get the job.”
3. Catastrophizing.You believe that what has happened or will happen will be so awful and unbearable that you won’t be able to stand it. “It would be terrible if I failed.”
4. Labeling. You assign global negative traits to yourself and others. “I’m undesirable,” or “He’s a rotten person.”
5. Discounting positives. You claim that the positive things you or others do are trivial. “That’s what wives are supposed to do—so it doesn’t count when she’s nice to me,” or “Those successes were easy, so they don’t matter.”
6. Negative filtering. You focus almost exclusively on the negatives and seldom notice the positives. “Look at all of the people who don’t like me.”
7. Overgeneralizing. You perceive a global pattern of negatives on the basis of a single incident. “This generally happens to me. I seem to fail at a lot of things.”
8. Dichotomous thinking. You view events or people in all-or-nothing terms. “I get rejected by everyone,” or “It was a complete waste of time.”
9. Blaming. You focus on the other person as the source of your negative feelings, and you refuse to take responsibility for changing yourself. “She’s to blame for the way I feel now,” or “My parents caused all my problems.”
10. What if? You keep asking a series of questions about “what if” something happens, and you fail to be satisfied with any of the answers. “Yeah, but what if I get anxious?,” or “What if I can’t catch my breath?”
11. Emotional reasoning. You let your feelings guide your interpretation of reality. “I feel depressed; therefore, my marriage is not working out.”
12. Inability to disconfirm. You reject any evidence or arguments that might contradict your negative thoughts. For example, when you have the thought I’m unlovable, you reject as irrelevant any evidence that people like you. Consequently, your thought cannot be refuted. “That’s not the real issue. There are deeper problems. There are other factors.”
Here’s a 1980s video of CBT solving two major life problems of an Australian lady golf pro in 5 minutes:
off topic: Well-off Upper West Siders none too happy about having to send their kids to a “bad” school after their zoned school filled up.
http://nypost.com/2015/08/16/parents-refuse-to-send-kids-to-dangerous-school/
“It’s not a racial issue,” one parent insisted. “It’s the test scores and the violence.”
lolReplies: @AnAnon
http://nypost.com/2015/08/16/parents-refuse-to-send-kids-to-dangerous-school/Replies: @Jimi, @Reg Cæsar
From the article:
“It’s not a racial issue,” one parent insisted. “It’s the test scores and the violence.”
lol
I think this is pointing at the wrong link.
A rich synopsis of the article and I will try to condense some comments:
1. Microaggressions were once called “slights” or “perceived slights” and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself. What’s happened now is that students are now free to anonymously “report” on any professor who utters a “microaggression”, which gets the faculty member into trouble and terrorizes them. I think this is a function of the “inmates running the asylum” approach ever since student evaluations of teacher performance became common some 20-25 years ago. In short, institutions are trying to justify their high tuition, and one of the results is to demean the wait staff, er, faculty, and let the customer determine their own outcome.
2. Along the same lines, when we were researching the Jackie business in December- January, I found some university in the South (I forget which) which had maybe six people on the faculty for the history department but a “diversity office” with about 12 people in it, each one whose function involved outreach to some oppressed minority or other, including trans this and that. So clearly making kids feel good about themselves is more than ever of paramount importance in higher education, and in turn simply raises prices and increases administrative bloat, while reducing the faculty to migrant worker status.
3. “Trigger warnings” are not essentially a bad thing, anymore than having policies against rape is a bad thing. In terms of the first, when I taught, I always discussed potentially traumatic readings or A/V materials ahead of time, and I would have had no problem if someone wanted to beg off, for reasons that would be discussed in private. The problem is that “Trigger warnings” have become so formalized and extended, as have concepts of sexual assault, trauma, and PTSD, that basically anybody (hello, Jackie and Mattress Girl) can claim to be a victim of trauma, receive special treatment, and get an A. Sort of like I was watching a cop show recently and a college student was killed, and the first words of his roommate were, “Wow, they have a policy here where I will get straight A’s this semester for this!” or words to that effect.
4. I don’t know much about CBT but part of the problem with the presentation of the article is that apparently one of the authors has used the method, and swears by it. That tends to weaken the article somewhat. I would only add that the West (and the East, as far as that goes) have long traditions of achieving the same end by meditation, prayer, and rational self-examination, you can get there by non-canonical writings in any religion, or through philosophy, the Greeks called it Eudaimonia, and you can get there by reading Hellenistic philosophy, or Balthazar de Grazian, or any number of Elizabethans, including Shakespeare, or Spinoza, or Schopenhauer, or any number of mainstream pop psychologists, not excluding William James.
I will also note that while we tend to look at things here from a conservative, right wing, or ironic perspective it is noteworthy that most of these complaints are being written by people who feel themselves to be either progressive or on the left. So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.
Yeah, but we have an interest in seeing the reality-based lefties (Haidt, Cafaro, etc.) win rather than the identity politics lefties (Ezra Klein, etc.) because they may be reachable on other issues of concern. The identity politics lefties are completely crazy and toxic, and the world they envision is a hellish nightmare for the rest of us.
Ellis also apparently invented what pickup artists now call "day game." He writes that as a young man (in the 1930's) he feared talking to women, so he set himself the goal of approaching 100 women in public to try to start conversations with them. At the end of this exercise he writes that he lost all fear of The Approach.
Of course, when aspiring pickup artists try this now, women have reported them to the police with complaints of harassment. Ellis in his youth lived in a more innocent time, before feminism poisoned the relationship between the sexes.Replies: @SPMoore8, @Anonym
1. Microaggressions were once called "slights" or "perceived slights" and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself. What's happened now is that students are now free to anonymously "report" on any professor who utters a "microaggression", which gets the faculty member into trouble and terrorizes them. I think this is a function of the "inmates running the asylum" approach ever since student evaluations of teacher performance became common some 20-25 years ago. In short, institutions are trying to justify their high tuition, and one of the results is to demean the wait staff, er, faculty, and let the customer determine their own outcome.
2. Along the same lines, when we were researching the Jackie business in December- January, I found some university in the South (I forget which) which had maybe six people on the faculty for the history department but a "diversity office" with about 12 people in it, each one whose function involved outreach to some oppressed minority or other, including trans this and that. So clearly making kids feel good about themselves is more than ever of paramount importance in higher education, and in turn simply raises prices and increases administrative bloat, while reducing the faculty to migrant worker status.
3. "Trigger warnings" are not essentially a bad thing, anymore than having policies against rape is a bad thing. In terms of the first, when I taught, I always discussed potentially traumatic readings or A/V materials ahead of time, and I would have had no problem if someone wanted to beg off, for reasons that would be discussed in private. The problem is that "Trigger warnings" have become so formalized and extended, as have concepts of sexual assault, trauma, and PTSD, that basically anybody (hello, Jackie and Mattress Girl) can claim to be a victim of trauma, receive special treatment, and get an A. Sort of like I was watching a cop show recently and a college student was killed, and the first words of his roommate were, "Wow, they have a policy here where I will get straight A's this semester for this!" or words to that effect.
4. I don't know much about CBT but part of the problem with the presentation of the article is that apparently one of the authors has used the method, and swears by it. That tends to weaken the article somewhat. I would only add that the West (and the East, as far as that goes) have long traditions of achieving the same end by meditation, prayer, and rational self-examination, you can get there by non-canonical writings in any religion, or through philosophy, the Greeks called it Eudaimonia, and you can get there by reading Hellenistic philosophy, or Balthazar de Grazian, or any number of Elizabethans, including Shakespeare, or Spinoza, or Schopenhauer, or any number of mainstream pop psychologists, not excluding William James.
I will also note that while we tend to look at things here from a conservative, right wing, or ironic perspective it is noteworthy that most of these complaints are being written by people who feel themselves to be either progressive or on the left. So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.Replies: @Anonymous, @advancedatheist, @Harry Baldwin, @Area Man
So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.
Yeah, but we have an interest in seeing the reality-based lefties (Haidt, Cafaro, etc.) win rather than the identity politics lefties (Ezra Klein, etc.) because they may be reachable on other issues of concern. The identity politics lefties are completely crazy and toxic, and the world they envision is a hellish nightmare for the rest of us.
Thanks, I’ll fix.
Seinfeld is too much for these delicate creatures. They all belong in padded dorms.
Excellent article.
So the colleges are creating a bunch of crippled neurotics. Say “boo!!” to them and they fold like a bad lawn chair. Funny but sad, the same way feinting goats are.
Here’s what they need a dose of Lee Emery:
Really I don’t see the point in creating damaged homo saps who live their lives in abject fear that they may run into the horrid uncouth Conservative that may say something to them they don’t like. Or perhaps just eating a pork chop in front of them whilst smoking a cigar.
Back in the heyday of the Commies and Nazis, they endeavored to put out hard a**ed fanatics who could beat each other senseless with lead pipes or poison the competition. Now it’s who can produce the biggest namby pamby ready for the short bus. These people aren’t even good cult material. They’re worse than hippies. At least hippies went out and got beaten senseless by cops which provided a lot of us with good entertainment.
I’m reminded of an old New Yorker cartoon set in a psychiatrist’s office. The psychiatrist says to the patient, “You don’t have an inferiority complex, Mr. Jackson. You are inferior.”
What everybody really cares about is their status on the partner market. The millions of micro-agressions which can be interchanged on a campus in one day by putting everybody back to the place they belong to in the partner market are those which really hurt. These micro-agressions are often personal, but they of course also follow some patterns. And those who are thought of being the most discriminated against in general seem be be actually privileged when it comes to the partner market, which means when it comes to something that really counts. Which makes the whole micro-agression movement rather a tool to further beat up those who are anyway in a bad position and not one to protect the weak.
It is also worth considering the degree to which ressentiment of microaggressions seems to prompt the self-proclaimed “victim” to commit macroaggression. I am thinking in particular of the two girls eating rather messily on the NYC Subway a few years back. They happened to be black. A woman standing nearby remarked that they were “pigs.” That woman happened to be white. Guess what? The two black girls lunged at the white woman and began beating on her. (Thus also proving the cranky old lady right, at the same time.) On social media, criminal apologists argued that due to the persecution of blacks in the past via insults, etc. that the girls would react so strongly was understandable, insinuating that any attempt by a white person to hold a person who happens to be black to any behavioral standard must be assumed to be a racial “microaggression.”
With a collective mindset like this ever more prevalent in the general culture, it is easy to understand why the bien pensants are so inclined to take the side of any black thug against any white (or white/Hispanic) cop/civilian defender.
Similar to how many online politically-oriented forums censor the other side, thus creating an echo chamber. I am going to take a stab in the dark here and guess money has something to do with it.
Will this CBT thing help me with my extraordinary anxiety/anger regarding the whole immigration thing (especially to Europe)? Dalrymple would say no – that unhappiness calls for outward change, and only depression requires treatment. Maybe this is the rationalization of those young Jihadi-in-waiting types. My friends tell me I’m becoming a bore. Then again, my proselytizing has been paying off. Those same friends tell me I’ve convinced them, but I’m depressing them by harping on the subject and roping them into buying books. I fear that I’m contributing to lowering their TFR. Two of the bastards seem to be immune, though – one’s an actual Berkeley grad into human rights issues, the other is a Journalism major/hipster/bartender/anarcho-capitalist who won’t read any of my links ever since I gave him an Amren one. I have effected a coup – I went abroad recently with a University Prof on a Visiting Fellowship, and he kept hogging my Kindle to read “Into the Cannibal’s Pot”. Then we teamed up and started hectoring his “open borders” buddies during lunches.
“The therapy is relatively quick and easy to learn; after a few months of training, many patients can do it on their own. Unlike drugs, cognitive behavioral therapy keeps working long after treatment is stopped, because it teaches thinking skills that people can continue to use.”
Social control and Federal Funding at work …. what could possibly go wrong? An improved version of dumbing-down where the students are rendered terrified/helpless without State Protection from all life’s bruises? Plus the full Force and Violence of the State unleashed on bullies who confuse the students in any way? It remains to be seen how the State goes about harnessing social media in this Protection Racket.
This will become increasingly problematic for white liberals as they shrink and lose influence of the coalition they once owned. They now have to vigorously respond to every “micro-aggression” like a fire drill irrespective of how crazy or absurd they may be lest their fair weather partners turn on them. Liberals thought they could control minorities forever using them as shock troops are now more afraid of them than are their hated conservative opponents so of course they just want this to all go away. I think Micro-aggression would be a good name for a chihuahua.
Dalrymple is an immigration booster who calls restrictions racists. Just in case you want to know.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html
While he doesn't come out an say that he's for the ovens, I don't really detect approval of immigration.
In CA, 70% of people are unaware of human biodiversity and how different groups have different levels of criminality.
Time to leave California?
So the search for “wreckers” continuous apace…
A large segment likes to see others grovel and apologize. The Japanese issued another apology for WWII, but also there was a note from Abe about the limits of such things. Maybe some hope?
Obama started his presidency with an apology tour in foreign locals. The domestic market would be so lucky to get an apology tour from the fraud at the end of his stewardship.
Japanese is both homogenous and Japanese. It couldn't be more different from the US and the EU than it presently is.
Obama started his presidency with an apology tour in foreign locals
Obama's apologies are kabuki theater. He bombed seven countries and helped topple the democratically elected Ukrainian president.
He didn't fire Victoria Nuland. Would she still have her job if she had said "F*ck Israel" instead of "F*ck the EU"? That's a question only Americans can answer, but I think that, had she insulted Israel instead of the EU, she would have got the Donald Sterling treatment.Replies: @Deduction
The Diversify the Canon craze of 25 years ago in college English departments was largely about catering to the resentments and insecurities of everybody who wasn’t a Dead White European Male, combined with increasing job security for English professors by creating a barrier to entry to teaching college English of mastering the jargon of some intentionally badly written Continental Theory that most people who love good writing wouldn’t want to do.
Thanks for summing up my undergrad experience and accounting for why I never went to grad school.
CBT is not a miracle cure, and reported effectiveness has been dropping over time for whatever reason.
worse economy?
Here’s an interview with Charles Krauthammer, who was trained as a psychiatrist at Harvard. He talks about how Freudianism, which was dominant in psychology and psychiatry for a long time, was a fraud and like a religious cult. He notes that Freudianism is largely dead now not because it’s wrong, but because there’s no money in it any more, as all the money is now in drug testing, which sort of speaks to Steve’s point about “conduct policing makework jobs” driving a lot of this nonsense.
Interestingly, Krauthammer claims that what does work is hypnosis. He says that he used to hypnotize patients at Massachusetts General. I didn’t know that Harvard trained doctors at prestigious hospitals like Mass Gen did things like hypnosis. I always thought that hypnosis was alternative or quack medicine.
During my recent trip to London I was surprised to learn that the Parliament banned the staging of plays during the First English Civil War. The Puritans were behind this. So after The Globe Theatre was rebuilt in 1614 it closed in 1642, the same year as the ban was introduced. After the restoration of the monarchy in 1660 theatres started performing plays once again.
The Puritan influence lives on in the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Renaissance_theatre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_Theatre
Isn't this middle school or high school history?
It seems clear that this is a product of the feminization of America.
There’s a book in the works that describes the political and cultural dreams of our new masters.
https://medium.com/book-drafts/silicon-valley-s-political-end-game-in-15-charts-a647c6074367
The bit that stands out to me is the idea of recreating society to be like a college campus. That started to happen in business in the 80’s as the boomers took control. By the 90’s, the corporate campus was common and no one much noticed because the inside still looked like an office. The tech boom changed that and now many corporate facilities look like buildings at a university.
A very interesting insight. The education sector does enforce the inverse of the exact type of thinking CBT sets about to heal.
CBT is a proven treatment and one that would be preferred over medication, or at least in conjunction with medication. From what I have seen, and statistics easily verify, is that medication is ongoing and not something that is used as a short term remedy. The great benefit of CBT is that the patient moves on from medication rather than being lifetime dependent on medication.
The thing is, though, why the massive rise in psychological complaints that require medication or CBT?
Psychological complaints have risen with the Judeo-American system of society that has spread far and wide post WWII and Cold War. With the increase in material prosperity, health care, and general liberation of all vices from any sort of restraint comes the downside of increased psychological collapse. I’m sure it doesn’t necessarily have to be this way but that certainly is the way it has gone. One need only observe the rape crisis in India to see the full benefits and negatives of Judeo-American practices on a nation (real rape, not Judeo-American campus date-rape).
One need only observe the obvious allure of Wahabist Islam as a rejection of Judeo-American social breakdown.
The way we go about looking for cures to the obvious signs that we are nationally unwell is indicative that we are too unwell to heal ourselves. It’d be like seeing those solitary killer whales in their small swimming pool in some seaworld, exhibiting obvious signs of mental distress, like smashing their head repeatedly into the pool wall, as a few of them have done, and coming to the conclusion that this whale just isn’t thinking right and needs a course of Prozac till it overcomes this bout of mental derangement.
Or seeing the grizzly bear at the zoo, pacing backwards and forwards endlessly in the one spot, or retreating daily to its cave for hours on end of chronic masturbation, and coming up with the solution that what this bear needs is a course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
We wouldn’t do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system. Just as we all know that homosexual marriage is the next great leap forward and those who disagree need reeducation for their bigotry. The list could go on.
But really, has anyone ever asked our elites just why psychological problems are so prevalent these days?
You forgot the eradication of traditional forms of behavior and self-restraint that existed for thousands of years during the last century.
So of course you get people going off the rails in ways never seen before. It's happening all over the world where modernity has won. It's nothing more than sugar coated nihilism with a touch of social Darwinism for the working class. Quite brutal if you buy into it.
Anyone who embraces it, modernity that is, will be corroded by it. Look at Europe. it's dying and incapable of protecting their own from a 3rd world invasion. That's what modernity has gave us.
People like Lewis Mumford saw it coming decades ago. Historian Carroll Quiqley remarked upon the incipient forms of it back in the mid 70's.
Much of the other issues are induced by a society that is manifestly unfit for most humans.
We wouldn’t do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system.
Why it is perfect for those at the top. You know the sort, the ones who put a few hours in the office and get paid millions. Who have no idea what's it like to come home with your body bent over in pain from hard labor and long hours or your guts in a knot because you've just hit 40 and the company is going to replace you with a foreign worker.Replies: @Mr. Anon
As a straight, White man I can’t help smiling when I read this. Academia wanted this collection of flakes and now they got them.
One thing I’ve never understood about the cognitive distortions is that if they basically make your life worse and hold you back from success, then why are they so common? Why would it be beneficial for us to evolve to be prone to this kind of mindset?
Evolution might now be proceeding in other directions.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
” combined with increasing job security for English professors by creating a barrier to entry to teaching college English of mastering the jargon of some intentionally badly written Continental Theory that most people who love good writing wouldn’t want to do.”
Actually, this explains everything pretty much. Its all about protecting job security – not just for the faculty, but for the administrative staff. The microaggressions creates an army of staffers – not just to enforce the new rules, but to do endless evaluations and studies to see if its working. Administrative staff at colleges has mushroomed in size over the past 20 years, accompanying the indoctrination of political correctness.
http://nypost.com/2015/08/16/parents-refuse-to-send-kids-to-dangerous-school/Replies: @Jimi, @Reg Cæsar
Off topic? Didn’t you read Steve’s post? They’re all bad schools!
When people say “good schools”, they really mean “clean and safe schools”. But how many are actually good?
Sanders is ahead in Iowa.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/15/bernie-pulls-ahead-of-hillary-in-poll-after-both-campaign-at-iowa-state-fair/
Sanders is ahead in New Hampshire too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpollster-is-sanders-really-leading-in-new-hampshire_55cdd91be4b0ab468d9cf0bf
Nationally, Hillary continues to lead, but by a smaller margin than before. Hillary is ahead by 49-30, which represents a huge gain for Sanders.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-sanders-doubles-support-closes-hillary_1012764.html
My dream was that he and Bush would each drop out and join the other party in opposition to the front-runner's platforms. Then we could have the election be
Trump-Sanders vs. Clinton-Bush
and put the final nails in the coffins of these two vampiric dynasties.
I found CBT to be highly useful. To the extent that depression and anxiety are instances of learned and deeply flawed thought processes, CBT can really help rid oneself of negativity and keep real life struggles in perspective.
Perhaps a wider acceptance of CBT as a key part of every intelligent person’s education is essential for there ever to be a wider acceptance of HBD and a final dismissal of “The Blank Slate”.
In fact Pinker did a good though only partial job of analyzing the various forms of catastrophic thinking revolving around any proposed abandoning of “The Blank Slate”.
Perhaps a thorough CBT based analysis of why otherwise sane and intelligent folks cling to preposterous ideas like “The Blank Slate” is long overdue. It would really help to imagine a post “Blank Slate” world and its possible moral and ethical dimensions.
How about it Steve????
As the author mentions, CBT is pretty much synonymous with the critical-thinking skills that universities want to teach. It’s critical thinking directed at oneself.
This is a pretty interesting article to show up in an MSM source. If anyone thinks about it too much, it will get denounced as racist. The reason is that, since the origin of these trends is complaints by minorities about how they were made to feel by XYZ but, unlike today’s youth, the minorities were not aping their betters or conforming to their environment, the article is indirectly attacking the cognitive profiles of minorities.
Does anyone know of any African religion or tradition that involves critical self-examination? I can’t think of one.
Corps don’t have the fat for SJW anymore. Media companies sliced billions off market value last week. Diversity = Open Borders = Mass Third World immigration + H1B insourcing + outsourcing = depressed worker wages + higher taxes so less consumer spending. Along with glbal competition that means less fat.
SJW if they were smart and they are not, would back immigration restrictions to increase wages hence corporate profits. It is not as if productivity in corporations is rising.
Microaggression!
Microaggression in microstate!!
Macromicroaggression!!! In macrostate!
By the way, Tim Cook’s spellcheck is redlining “microaggression”. That itself is microaggression.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/15/bernie-pulls-ahead-of-hillary-in-poll-after-both-campaign-at-iowa-state-fair/
Sanders is ahead in New Hampshire too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpollster-is-sanders-really-leading-in-new-hampshire_55cdd91be4b0ab468d9cf0bf
Nationally, Hillary continues to lead, but by a smaller margin than before. Hillary is ahead by 49-30, which represents a huge gain for Sanders.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-sanders-doubles-support-closes-hillary_1012764.htmlReplies: @Chrisnonymous
That’s too bad. I didn’t want Sanders to win.
My dream was that he and Bush would each drop out and join the other party in opposition to the front-runner’s platforms. Then we could have the election be
Trump-Sanders vs. Clinton-Bush
and put the final nails in the coffins of these two vampiric dynasties.
1. Microaggressions were once called "slights" or "perceived slights" and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself. What's happened now is that students are now free to anonymously "report" on any professor who utters a "microaggression", which gets the faculty member into trouble and terrorizes them. I think this is a function of the "inmates running the asylum" approach ever since student evaluations of teacher performance became common some 20-25 years ago. In short, institutions are trying to justify their high tuition, and one of the results is to demean the wait staff, er, faculty, and let the customer determine their own outcome.
2. Along the same lines, when we were researching the Jackie business in December- January, I found some university in the South (I forget which) which had maybe six people on the faculty for the history department but a "diversity office" with about 12 people in it, each one whose function involved outreach to some oppressed minority or other, including trans this and that. So clearly making kids feel good about themselves is more than ever of paramount importance in higher education, and in turn simply raises prices and increases administrative bloat, while reducing the faculty to migrant worker status.
3. "Trigger warnings" are not essentially a bad thing, anymore than having policies against rape is a bad thing. In terms of the first, when I taught, I always discussed potentially traumatic readings or A/V materials ahead of time, and I would have had no problem if someone wanted to beg off, for reasons that would be discussed in private. The problem is that "Trigger warnings" have become so formalized and extended, as have concepts of sexual assault, trauma, and PTSD, that basically anybody (hello, Jackie and Mattress Girl) can claim to be a victim of trauma, receive special treatment, and get an A. Sort of like I was watching a cop show recently and a college student was killed, and the first words of his roommate were, "Wow, they have a policy here where I will get straight A's this semester for this!" or words to that effect.
4. I don't know much about CBT but part of the problem with the presentation of the article is that apparently one of the authors has used the method, and swears by it. That tends to weaken the article somewhat. I would only add that the West (and the East, as far as that goes) have long traditions of achieving the same end by meditation, prayer, and rational self-examination, you can get there by non-canonical writings in any religion, or through philosophy, the Greeks called it Eudaimonia, and you can get there by reading Hellenistic philosophy, or Balthazar de Grazian, or any number of Elizabethans, including Shakespeare, or Spinoza, or Schopenhauer, or any number of mainstream pop psychologists, not excluding William James.
I will also note that while we tend to look at things here from a conservative, right wing, or ironic perspective it is noteworthy that most of these complaints are being written by people who feel themselves to be either progressive or on the left. So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.Replies: @Anonymous, @advancedatheist, @Harry Baldwin, @Area Man
The psychotherapist Albert Ellis anticipated Cognitive Behavior Therapy by a few years, only he called his version Rational-Emotive Behavior Therapy. Ellis credits his insights to his voracious reading as a young man of works of philosophy, psychology, literature from various spiritual traditions and so forth.
Ellis also apparently invented what pickup artists now call “day game.” He writes that as a young man (in the 1930’s) he feared talking to women, so he set himself the goal of approaching 100 women in public to try to start conversations with them. At the end of this exercise he writes that he lost all fear of The Approach.
Of course, when aspiring pickup artists try this now, women have reported them to the police with complaints of harassment. Ellis in his youth lived in a more innocent time, before feminism poisoned the relationship between the sexes.
By the way, Tim Cook's spellcheck is redlining "microaggression". That itself is microaggression.Replies: @Anonymous
Or it could just mean you have a micro.
The term “microaggression” is clearly not sufficient to catalog the range of insults to the more sensitive among us. Other words will be needed, as in “That korean shop owner followed me throughout the store until I bought something. It was a microlynching.”
microlynching, micropogrom, milli-cross-burning, nanorape, etc.
Or how about the much more obvious explanation that universities are now over 50% , some places approaching 60% female? Don’t micro aggressions very closely track the female propensity to take everything personally, read too much into the smallest things, and demand not just obedience, but validation?
The biggest single step in the right direction does not involve faculty or university administrators, but rather the federal government, which should release universities from their fear of unreasonable investigation and sanctions by the Department of Education.
The problem is that the universities embrace the most extreme versions of political correctness, so that if the the government were to relax its interpretations of what constitutes an offense, the universities would maintain their policies nevertheless. Similarly, I don’t think the government is making universities maintain diversity through racial quotas; the universities are perfectly comfortable with that policy.
Clinton has been running an absolutely abysmal campaign. I’m actually stunned by how badly it’s been going for the past two months or so.
Why? Hillary Clinton is a ham-handed, tin-eared incompetent. She always has been. It's one of her better qualities. If one is to have someone who is hostile occupy the whitehouse, it were better if they were not very effective.
The “bad” school is near two housing projects.
I realize that Steve Sailer is the Jane Austen of bloggers, interested in fine details of domestic life, but can anyone here expound on:
1. Trump’s latest bombshell
2. China’s market correction – the zombie apocalypse, or nothing special?
“But in 2013, the Departments of Justice and Education greatly broadened the definition of sexual harassment to include verbal conduct that is simply “unwelcome.””
So isn’t this the real core of the problem? Is the Department of Justice trying to do the impossible? Why do they think this is something that is even amenable to “control” by their methods?
I mean murder and robbery are usually pretty clear-cut, but here they are getting into awfully nuanced territory. What makes them think they can even get it right in principal, much less in practice?
Will each of us need to be followed around by two lawyers? (I suppose that’s what AI is going to be for.)
1. Microaggressions were once called "slights" or "perceived slights" and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself. What's happened now is that students are now free to anonymously "report" on any professor who utters a "microaggression", which gets the faculty member into trouble and terrorizes them. I think this is a function of the "inmates running the asylum" approach ever since student evaluations of teacher performance became common some 20-25 years ago. In short, institutions are trying to justify their high tuition, and one of the results is to demean the wait staff, er, faculty, and let the customer determine their own outcome.
2. Along the same lines, when we were researching the Jackie business in December- January, I found some university in the South (I forget which) which had maybe six people on the faculty for the history department but a "diversity office" with about 12 people in it, each one whose function involved outreach to some oppressed minority or other, including trans this and that. So clearly making kids feel good about themselves is more than ever of paramount importance in higher education, and in turn simply raises prices and increases administrative bloat, while reducing the faculty to migrant worker status.
3. "Trigger warnings" are not essentially a bad thing, anymore than having policies against rape is a bad thing. In terms of the first, when I taught, I always discussed potentially traumatic readings or A/V materials ahead of time, and I would have had no problem if someone wanted to beg off, for reasons that would be discussed in private. The problem is that "Trigger warnings" have become so formalized and extended, as have concepts of sexual assault, trauma, and PTSD, that basically anybody (hello, Jackie and Mattress Girl) can claim to be a victim of trauma, receive special treatment, and get an A. Sort of like I was watching a cop show recently and a college student was killed, and the first words of his roommate were, "Wow, they have a policy here where I will get straight A's this semester for this!" or words to that effect.
4. I don't know much about CBT but part of the problem with the presentation of the article is that apparently one of the authors has used the method, and swears by it. That tends to weaken the article somewhat. I would only add that the West (and the East, as far as that goes) have long traditions of achieving the same end by meditation, prayer, and rational self-examination, you can get there by non-canonical writings in any religion, or through philosophy, the Greeks called it Eudaimonia, and you can get there by reading Hellenistic philosophy, or Balthazar de Grazian, or any number of Elizabethans, including Shakespeare, or Spinoza, or Schopenhauer, or any number of mainstream pop psychologists, not excluding William James.
I will also note that while we tend to look at things here from a conservative, right wing, or ironic perspective it is noteworthy that most of these complaints are being written by people who feel themselves to be either progressive or on the left. So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.Replies: @Anonymous, @advancedatheist, @Harry Baldwin, @Area Man
Microaggressions were once called “slights” or “perceived slights” and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself.
I’m not so sure about that. Among the social elite in the 18th century and several centuries previous, a microaggression was handled by sending your seconds over to the microaggressor to demand an apology or, failing that, to arrange a duel.
The philosopher Bernard Mandeville, in An Enquiry into the Origin of Honour (1732), wrote:
One of the members of Louis XVIII’s bodyguard is said to have fought three times in one day: first, with a gentleman who had offended him by looking at him sideways; next, with one who had looked him directly in the eye; and last, with a stranger who had passed by him without deigning to look upon him at all.
It appears that there’s something in human nature that delights in this sort of thing.
And yet for all that, a direct physical confrontation over a slight would be an improvement over what's currently emerging, which is anonymous ratting on people you don't like.
I also agree that there is something in human nature that delights in harming others; I would call it "sin" but then I'd get in trouble in most venues for saying that.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
BTW for Steve Sailer, have you ever done a piece on how Steven Pinker manages to be a beloved and respected Harvard professor, a beloved and respected public intellectual, and a hard-core evolutionary biologist with serious HBD leanings? I mean, I love it, but...the man has the biggest reality distortion field since Steve Jobs.Replies: @WhatEvvs
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The problem with Haidt's analysis is that he looks upon neurotic 'magical thinking' as a personal rather than cultural activity. When an individual thinks magically, it is personally disempowering. When an entire culture thinks magically, it empowers the group.
Think of all the mindreading done by black folks, all the secret messages they get when dealing with white people. If you bump into them or get impatient (the lady on TNC's escalator) black folks know the 'real reason' the interaction occurred: racism. And when they get together, they compare notes and reinforce each other's mindreading.
If group magical thinking by black folks is done long enough and hard enough and publicly enough, even white folks get sucked into their magical thinking. Consider the Confederate flag uproar. Believe it or not, black folks didn't care about it until quite recently. It was a peculiar white cultural tradition, but was not threatening. Now, even white folks believe it is some monstrous, intentional and genocidal 'signaling'.
It is personally disempowering ("Jesus, Bob has such a chip on his shoulder!"), but culturally and politically empowering to the group. Haidt should address this.
I don’t see why this campus regression to the womb is such a bad thing. I’ve written colleges off, and anything that further transforms them into pink ghettoes is a step toward the rest of us seeing them for the joke they are.
As a vocal, critical student I got my fair share of scrutiny for these “microaggressions” — always from second-rate female profs ( I got about a 3.8 average from male profs and something like a 2.8 from females — not a coincidence). Two of them took me aside to tell me that someone in class was “uncomfortable” about the questions I brought up. I remember the girls who complained about me, but only because the teachers chided me and told me who they were (in retrospect I have no idea why they didn’t withhold their identities from me if they really thought I was so mean). They were totally unnoticeable and mediocre in both looks and intellect. I couldn’t have cared less about them and never once addressed them personally, and maybe that’s the entire point of this obsession with microaggressions. These are tiny little people who want to have some power. They want to be the center of attention, and if it takes being “victims” of some insensitive brutish white male, then they’ll take on that role.
I’m sure the profs were also in on it. One of my female profs thought “pieds noirs” referred to black Africans, and I corrected her in front of the class (this was at the University of Washington — supposedly a good university). I ended up with a C- from that one, surely because of my unforgivable microaggression. Nice…
“The problem is that the universities embrace the most extreme versions of political correctness, so that if the the government were to relax its interpretations of what constitutes an offense, the universities would maintain their policies nevertheless. ”
end the fed gov’t support of stu(pid)dent loans and watch that big EDU market collapse.
Hey, guys. I got some extremely good news.
Trump just issued a position paper on immigration.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
Here are some excerpts:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/08/16/trumps-war-on-legal-immigration-a-tipping-point-for-the-gop/?utm_campaign=wp-to-twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterReplies: @WhatEvvs, @young_american
If he is that tuned into the American psyche that he knows that people are fed up with illegal immigration, why isn't he also wise to the fact that people are fed up with legal immigration too.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @MarkinLA
Who would’ve thought that the college educated would be the easiest to turn into cattle?
Shree Ranjeesh recruited like crazy among them, same with some other named cults. Nice soft mushy minds to mold.
Usually a cult will rope in prospects slowly, befriend them at first, do the old pace, pace and lead technique, then have them join a group, later a intensive 2-3 day seminar in a remote location.
The PC/MC college clown posse operates the same way as a cult. Hell it is a political cult at it's core, except it's a headless movement.
Trump just issued a position paper on immigration.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
Here are some excerpts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWLIgjB9gGwReplies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar
Commentary magazine is not happy.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/08/16/trumps-war-on-legal-immigration-a-tipping-point-for-the-gop/?utm_campaign=wp-to-twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Commentary..... they should just call it Doctrine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=33&v=trjaEDw_DIY
https://medium.com/book-drafts/silicon-valley-s-political-end-game-in-15-charts-a647c6074367
The bit that stands out to me is the idea of recreating society to be like a college campus. That started to happen in business in the 80's as the boomers took control. By the 90's, the corporate campus was common and no one much noticed because the inside still looked like an office. The tech boom changed that and now many corporate facilities look like buildings at a university.Replies: @Steve Sailer
I remember how on my first visit to a software company on Route 128 outside of Boston in about 1986 being reminded of how closely the physical layout resembled the professor’s floors at the UCLA Graduate School of Management.
Black man likes Trump’s immigration policies.
It’d be amusing if Trump improved the GOP’s performance with blacks.
None of my few white "conservative" acquaintances will even take this stance.
So yes, I'm sure Trump would get a significantly higher percentage of the black vote than any of the milquetoast conservatives. Probably a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote too.Replies: @Brutusale, @MarkinLA
Linguist John McWhorter, writing in the WSJ, comes to the same conclusion as Steve on racial slurs.
Interestingly, Krauthammer claims that what does work is hypnosis. He says that he used to hypnotize patients at Massachusetts General. I didn't know that Harvard trained doctors at prestigious hospitals like Mass Gen did things like hypnosis. I always thought that hypnosis was alternative or quack medicine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b40qoV4Ex_EReplies: @Steve Sailer, @cthulhu
When I had cancer in 1996-97, I found hypnosis helpful in regaining confidence and overcoming panic and despair. I had the hypnotist lull me into a suggestible state, then she read me a pep talk I’d written for myself about how I wasn’t going to die, I was going to live to see my sons grown. I found it much more persuasive while hypnotized. At first the positive mindset lasted a couple of hours after the hypnosis session, later the rest of the day, then the rest of the week.
Great review of the article, Steve.
Haidt’s work is pretty solid: he’s shown here, if nothing else, that the term ‘critical thinking’, when trotted out in a higher education context, means precisely the opposite of what the untutored might expect.
It would also be interesting for someone at the Atlantic (or elsewhere, for that matter) to take Haidt’s list of common cognitive distortions and apply it to one of TN Coates’s essays . . . .
“Clinton has been running an absolutely abysmal campaign. I’m actually stunned by how badly it’s been going for the past two months or so.”
Why? Hillary Clinton is a ham-handed, tin-eared incompetent. She always has been. It’s one of her better qualities. If one is to have someone who is hostile occupy the whitehouse, it were better if they were not very effective.
I’d like to know when Jews will apply CBT and similar techniques to themselves to overcome their irrational grievances about Tsar Nicholas II, white American country clubs’ admission policies a century ago, and of course the Hitler episode.
Trump just issued a position paper on immigration.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
Here are some excerpts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWLIgjB9gGwReplies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar
I just heard a snippet of an interview with Trump. He said that he is “all for legal immigration”.
If he is that tuned into the American psyche that he knows that people are fed up with illegal immigration, why isn’t he also wise to the fact that people are fed up with legal immigration too.
Ellis also apparently invented what pickup artists now call "day game." He writes that as a young man (in the 1930's) he feared talking to women, so he set himself the goal of approaching 100 women in public to try to start conversations with them. At the end of this exercise he writes that he lost all fear of The Approach.
Of course, when aspiring pickup artists try this now, women have reported them to the police with complaints of harassment. Ellis in his youth lived in a more innocent time, before feminism poisoned the relationship between the sexes.Replies: @SPMoore8, @Anonym
Thank you for the insight on Albert Ellis, I’m definitely following up on that one. However, I would continue to emphasize that one does not need any particular therapy to learn how to handle life. It seems strange the modern tendency is to lash out. Perhaps these anonymous snipes at microagressions bear some relationship to macroagressions like school shootings. In a word, young people are not being acculturated properly; formerly, how was that done? Religion seems likely, but I don’t want to go too far with that just yet.
Though the comparison is fun to think about Haidt elides the difference between the Western tradition of reason & CBT, which is really more of a boiled-down self-help practical approach not concerned with the nature of truth (in fact they can be opposite since CBT takes getting along with people to be the implied goal; cue George Bernard Shaw). Before it was made into a technical protocol CBT existed not so differently as old-fashioned character formation at single-sex schools. There was also the (not 100% effective) discipline of becoming responsible for one’s own children financially & otherwise by one’s early 20s. We are suffering from more than a century of collapse of leadership and hence authority so I consider CBT a very small part of the solution, on the level of AA/NA perhaps. Incidentally Matt Yglesias has endorsed it for somehow assisting him w/ a “rage problem”
CBT is a proven treatment and one that would be preferred over medication, or at least in conjunction with medication. From what I have seen, and statistics easily verify, is that medication is ongoing and not something that is used as a short term remedy. The great benefit of CBT is that the patient moves on from medication rather than being lifetime dependent on medication.
The thing is, though, why the massive rise in psychological complaints that require medication or CBT?
Psychological complaints have risen with the Judeo-American system of society that has spread far and wide post WWII and Cold War. With the increase in material prosperity, health care, and general liberation of all vices from any sort of restraint comes the downside of increased psychological collapse. I'm sure it doesn't necessarily have to be this way but that certainly is the way it has gone. One need only observe the rape crisis in India to see the full benefits and negatives of Judeo-American practices on a nation (real rape, not Judeo-American campus date-rape).
One need only observe the obvious allure of Wahabist Islam as a rejection of Judeo-American social breakdown.
The way we go about looking for cures to the obvious signs that we are nationally unwell is indicative that we are too unwell to heal ourselves. It'd be like seeing those solitary killer whales in their small swimming pool in some seaworld, exhibiting obvious signs of mental distress, like smashing their head repeatedly into the pool wall, as a few of them have done, and coming to the conclusion that this whale just isn't thinking right and needs a course of Prozac till it overcomes this bout of mental derangement.
Or seeing the grizzly bear at the zoo, pacing backwards and forwards endlessly in the one spot, or retreating daily to its cave for hours on end of chronic masturbation, and coming up with the solution that what this bear needs is a course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
We wouldn't do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system. Just as we all know that homosexual marriage is the next great leap forward and those who disagree need reeducation for their bigotry. The list could go on.
But really, has anyone ever asked our elites just why psychological problems are so prevalent these days?Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963
Wahabist Islam has been around since the 18th century, longer than Western social dysfunction and much longer than the Middle East has had enough contact with the West to become aware of such. With regard to Wahabism’s (and related forms of Salafi Islam’s) appeal today, its adherents dislike Western influence because that influence is foreign and un-Islamic. That modern Western mores are dysfunctional is of secondary importance, not even necessary. Islam opposed the Crusaders as well, and you probably wouldn’t consider them to have been dysfunctional like modern Westerners.
This illustrates the dangerous aspects of the tribal human mind that neo-traditionalists think so highly of, and which we also see in America's black population, no thanks to that troll Ta-Nehisi Coates. In a Neoreactionary restoration, we should establish some kind of statute of limitations over trying to redress injustices inflicted on people long dead to put a stop to this nonsense in the current generation.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Romanian
If there’s anyone I would have thought would be resistant to hypnosis it would have been you, Steve.
That’s very interesting. I had never heard that hypnotism was effective until seeing the Krauthammer interview and hearing your story. Thanks for sharing. How did you get into hypnotism treatment? Was it recommended by your doctor, or were you seeking alternative supplementary treatments?
You are correct, I forgot about dueling: I’m old, but I’m not that old. But I would submit for someone born in the second half of the 20th Century, that’s how I remember it.
And yet for all that, a direct physical confrontation over a slight would be an improvement over what’s currently emerging, which is anonymous ratting on people you don’t like.
I also agree that there is something in human nature that delights in harming others; I would call it “sin” but then I’d get in trouble in most venues for saying that.
The contemporary university experience continues to diverge from what were once rational expectations. Diluting the curriculum and chilling the inquisitive nature of young students hurts scholarship across the prior broad spectrum of courses and subjects. Add excess demand and watered down admissions for much of the college product outside the top tier and that brings in too many who should probably not matriculate. The ones who do get in seem more frantic socially while also more passive in other areas.
Combine that with the non-classroom social issues hysteria (Duke, Jackie, Mattress Girl, etc), political correctness run amok and cost increases to reduce the potential benefits. No wonder online courses are growing, with solid curricula and flexibility to offset partially what is lost outside the traditional lecture hall and seminar presentation.
Graduates used to get a BA, MA and PhD, or professional degree. Now they get a DAD, disillusioned auto didact, as society atomizes further and communal bonds fray.
My guess, and this is only a guess, is that in hunter-gatherer societies, being pessimistic and/or mistrusting and/or somewhat paranoid makes it less likely that you can be tricked. Maybe I should go back and re-read Pinker’s brilliant and still extremely relevant The Blank Slate.
All DNA cares about is that it gets passed on. It does not matter whether the individual instance of the DNA is happy or sad.
Did you read the Dilbert guy’s Trump article? He comes down on the side of hypnosis being effective as well.
Interestingly, Krauthammer claims that what does work is hypnosis. He says that he used to hypnotize patients at Massachusetts General. I didn't know that Harvard trained doctors at prestigious hospitals like Mass Gen did things like hypnosis. I always thought that hypnosis was alternative or quack medicine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b40qoV4Ex_EReplies: @Steve Sailer, @cthulhu
There is plenty of solid work on hypnosis and plenty of reputable therapists who use it, but real hypnosis is totally different from stage hypnosis.
Actual hypnosis is not too similar to what’s portrayed in Warner Bros. cartoons; they need to rebrand it from the Mesmerism notion you can order some guy to drink paint or get a hot chick to do a striptease. The actual effect is more akin to extreme physical lethargy but with still enough mental clarity to focus (on whatever the hypnotist says). I have been told but cannot substantiate that hypnosis has come back as a cheap, novel treatment for people who chew mindlessly through boxes of Nicorette but can’t quit smoking — a bit anticlimactic for where we were hoping to see it develop, i.e. in weaponized form to be used by diabolical supervillains in football stadiums, crowded subways, New Year’s Eve, etc.
Trump just issued a position paper on immigration.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf
Here are some excerpts:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWLIgjB9gGwReplies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar
Most of this is fine, but what the hell is wrong with “women’s plummeting workforce participation rate”? Don’t we want our wives at home with the kids instead of out whoring for some boss? I know I do.
On Quora I recently came across this: “I am a 24-year-old with an IQ of just 95. I feel depressed about it. What should I do?” It was all I could do not to respond with “That’s a dumb question.”
Honor is discussed in Hobbes’ Leviathan as one of the three primary causes of violence. I recommend the “Violence” chapter in Steven Pinker’s still-brilliant masterpiece The Blank Slate as probably more readable than Hobbes’ original.
BTW for Steve Sailer, have you ever done a piece on how Steven Pinker manages to be a beloved and respected Harvard professor, a beloved and respected public intellectual, and a hard-core evolutionary biologist with serious HBD leanings? I mean, I love it, but…the man has the biggest reality distortion field since Steve Jobs.
Nonsense. The left hysterically opposes anyone categorizing whites as the primary victim of anything, evidence be damned. They reject out of hand the idea that a hostile “leftist”* elite, with or without Jews at center stage, is waging a protracted culture war on whites. They reject out of hand the idea that whites are victimized by black violent crime. And they reject out of hand the idea that whites are being victimized by circumstances resulting in their soft genocide (never mind a campaign to that end). In fact, daring to mention any of these to leftists is a great way to get leftists to attack you, and whites as a whole – maybe even for “blaming the victim.”
There are no leftist principles that can be coherently articulated and hold true across the board. This is because the real, consistent leftist principle(s) cannot be uttered.
* Jewish leftism is phony.
Yeah, starting with the fact that these graduates will tend to engender hostility in everyone with whom they disagree.
Leftists love “mind reading.” They’re constantly telling us what we “really” believe, presumably via telepathy.
Leftists love using their buzz labels to discount anything said by those they attach them to.
Maybe for the Japanese. By the way, have the Japs changed their textbooks to reflect a semblance of reality, yet? Last I heard, I got the impression that their occasional apologies to the Chinese et al. are extremely limited in scope.
Great point. Leftists love apologizing for what others have done, but would rather die in a fire than apologize for anything they’ve done (other than be insufficiently leftist, for which the goalpost is constantly in motion). This is obviously a form of aggression.
My experience with self-hypnosis is that it basically starts with a kind of meditation where you put yourself into a different brainwave state; the state you’re in when you’re awake, but your emotions have been put to sleep (apparently it’s a natural state we go through on our way into and out of sleep). It lets you approach things in a calm state of detachment. The TL;DR version is that you lay down, close your eyes, slow your breathing, relax, use visualization or some other method to focus your mind (visualization works well because it’s hard to do, thus crowding out everything else), and once in a meditative state, start working on whatever it is you need to work on.
It’s the leftist psyop being run on the entire western world. It’s easiest to see in institutions where leftists exert the most control.
…where leftists exert the most control. 🙂
I disagree. We’ve basically got Dr. Freud Mengele running our culture, that’s what’s standing in the way of progress on this issue.
Release the whale from his cage, the bear from the zoo, and they’ll be fine. Though I suppose that’s what you were getting at.
Modern human cognitive function is pretty recent. About 100-200k years, right? Not a lot of time to work out the bugs. The brain is a complex organ, in no species more so than humans. Mechanisms of self-review that allow for revision of behavior can go off the rails, especially in an environment designed to produce that reaction.
Uhm, that’s putting it mildly. Holy crap, she must be shitting her pantsuit right now.
I’m going to guess “no” on that one, with the exception of systems originating outsided sub-Saharan Africa.
Picohate has a nice ring.
Given the response, my guess is it’s a bankers’ problem.
Not the two I buy to shut the two lawyer AIs up.
Does it mention anything about cracking down hard on employers? Because that’s how it gets done, and Trump knows that perfectly well. Would be far more effective than any of that stuff you quote, would be cheap, and pay for itself.
It’s a two-fisted blow. Opposing open borders is bad enough. But beating the GOP field like a rented mule by doing so? Oy vey.
In "Dangers of National Repentance," an essay in God in the Dock, C. S. Lewis called it "the sin of detraction masquerading as the virtue of contrition."
Something tells me Yglesias’s problem with rage is his unwillingness to aim it in the appropriate direction. Which was, help me here… K Street? I Street? New York Avenue?
As the other respondent implies, we no longer live in the conditions in which our genome did most of its evolving. A giant brain might be a trump card on the savannah but a joker in the city.
Evolution might now be proceeding in other directions.
Yep. There are a lot of people who are too smart for their own good. Credentialed but not educated as The Professor would say. Full of theories about how the world should work but sorely lacking in common sense or any real world experience. Many of these people are in charge of our lives. I would be in favor of continuing to pay them if they would just go home.
Mephistopheles.
If he is that tuned into the American psyche that he knows that people are fed up with illegal immigration, why isn't he also wise to the fact that people are fed up with legal immigration too.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @MarkinLA
It’s a question of numbers. Trump wants to drastically reduce the number of legal immigrants per year.
That doesn't seem consistent with the sentiment "all for legal immigration". However, if he has really outlined such a plan in his platform, then good for him.
Another fun Trump quote.
In movies the hypnosis scene often has to do with someone blurting out a traumatic repressed memory but I can’t see why these would be connected (there is no serum or psychotropic dosage component to clinical hypnosis, and very little back-and-forth with the therapist). If you were going to try to get information out of someone you’d probably go for sleep deprivation or blast loud heavy metal music at them Gitmo style. Most of the art of hypnosis seems to be the sequence & choice of words on the part of the therapist, much the way a homicide detective asks questions both for clues and figuring out which details the suspect does & doesn’t know about. For anything beyond a typical emotional malady like stressing over bad news or nervous habits, I doubt there are many situations where a standard administration of hypnotherapy helps either side.
Trump’s policy paper was great, like a mad scientist hybrid of Ann Coulter and Jesse Jackson hot-button headlines. I do hope the MSM are forced by popular demand to chew over it, especially such gems as “H-1B prevailing wage in tech jobs will increase participation of women, Hispanics & blacks in Silicon Valley”
1. Microaggressions were once called "slights" or "perceived slights" and the way these were handled in the old days is that you were either ignored, given a perfunctory apology, or told to get over yourself. What's happened now is that students are now free to anonymously "report" on any professor who utters a "microaggression", which gets the faculty member into trouble and terrorizes them. I think this is a function of the "inmates running the asylum" approach ever since student evaluations of teacher performance became common some 20-25 years ago. In short, institutions are trying to justify their high tuition, and one of the results is to demean the wait staff, er, faculty, and let the customer determine their own outcome.
2. Along the same lines, when we were researching the Jackie business in December- January, I found some university in the South (I forget which) which had maybe six people on the faculty for the history department but a "diversity office" with about 12 people in it, each one whose function involved outreach to some oppressed minority or other, including trans this and that. So clearly making kids feel good about themselves is more than ever of paramount importance in higher education, and in turn simply raises prices and increases administrative bloat, while reducing the faculty to migrant worker status.
3. "Trigger warnings" are not essentially a bad thing, anymore than having policies against rape is a bad thing. In terms of the first, when I taught, I always discussed potentially traumatic readings or A/V materials ahead of time, and I would have had no problem if someone wanted to beg off, for reasons that would be discussed in private. The problem is that "Trigger warnings" have become so formalized and extended, as have concepts of sexual assault, trauma, and PTSD, that basically anybody (hello, Jackie and Mattress Girl) can claim to be a victim of trauma, receive special treatment, and get an A. Sort of like I was watching a cop show recently and a college student was killed, and the first words of his roommate were, "Wow, they have a policy here where I will get straight A's this semester for this!" or words to that effect.
4. I don't know much about CBT but part of the problem with the presentation of the article is that apparently one of the authors has used the method, and swears by it. That tends to weaken the article somewhat. I would only add that the West (and the East, as far as that goes) have long traditions of achieving the same end by meditation, prayer, and rational self-examination, you can get there by non-canonical writings in any religion, or through philosophy, the Greeks called it Eudaimonia, and you can get there by reading Hellenistic philosophy, or Balthazar de Grazian, or any number of Elizabethans, including Shakespeare, or Spinoza, or Schopenhauer, or any number of mainstream pop psychologists, not excluding William James.
I will also note that while we tend to look at things here from a conservative, right wing, or ironic perspective it is noteworthy that most of these complaints are being written by people who feel themselves to be either progressive or on the left. So this is basically lefties eating lefties, the winner determined by the more spectacular display of sanctimony and self-righteousness, and I will just get me some popcorn.Replies: @Anonymous, @advancedatheist, @Harry Baldwin, @Area Man
Yours is an excellent comment, but I take issue with one point. It is not quite right to call a microaggression an “actual or perceived slight.”
A slight implies that the offending party acted intentionally. But some microaggressions are nothing more than a complaint that the offender didn’t consider something that the aggrieved party felt to be vitally important. A better definition is that a microaggression is whingeing about the vicissitudes of daily life. That definition helps underscore that these people simply cannot perceive the world beyond what’s pinging about their own empty skulls.
Many of today’s Muslims still nurture grievances about their predecessors’ setbacks at the hands of Christian Europeans in centuries gone by. Sailer mocks today’s Jews for griping about how their great-grandfathers couldn’t get into white American country clubs. But many of today’s Muslims still feel sore about the loss of Spain to the Christians half a millennium ago, and their firebrands have joined movements like the Islamic State because they think they can play a Long Game and get Spain back within the Muslim world – not right away, but after a few more chess moves against the decadent West.
This illustrates the dangerous aspects of the tribal human mind that neo-traditionalists think so highly of, and which we also see in America’s black population, no thanks to that troll Ta-Nehisi Coates. In a Neoreactionary restoration, we should establish some kind of statute of limitations over trying to redress injustices inflicted on people long dead to put a stop to this nonsense in the current generation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMlQzTnY9LM
It'd be amusing if Trump improved the GOP's performance with blacks.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @el topo
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump got close to 20% of the black vote in a general election.
Let’s see how irrational you would consider the grievance if half of your family were annihilated in concentration camps. That actually happened to some Jewish families thanks to the Nazis.
Irrational for sure, but I can think of some other terms for that approach.
I grow wary of these politics op-eds that medicalize [x] given crisis or “crisis” in the society of to-day. It’s almost always intellectual base-stealing by the credentialed academics within that specialty; compare also legal scholars or sportswriters who explain that Joe Blow v. Massachusetts or the narrative of the Cleveland Cavaliers has some poignant impact on my life. A few years back the lefty nutroots sites were rife with social science data and documentaries on same proving the gov’t/Wall St. to be firmly under the control of “psychopaths” (always a helpful low-key phrase to start a polite civics discussion); no, please do tell me more about this Milgram Experiment which supposedly proves A and B and C about any people who disagree with you…
“It’s a question of numbers. Trump wants to drastically reduce the number of legal immigrants per year.”
That doesn’t seem consistent with the sentiment “all for legal immigration”. However, if he has really outlined such a plan in his platform, then good for him.
Gotta sell the plan in a politically correct age. The media might not attack quite as hard if the immigration plan is cast as helping women and minorities most.
CBT is a proven treatment and one that would be preferred over medication, or at least in conjunction with medication. From what I have seen, and statistics easily verify, is that medication is ongoing and not something that is used as a short term remedy. The great benefit of CBT is that the patient moves on from medication rather than being lifetime dependent on medication.
The thing is, though, why the massive rise in psychological complaints that require medication or CBT?
Psychological complaints have risen with the Judeo-American system of society that has spread far and wide post WWII and Cold War. With the increase in material prosperity, health care, and general liberation of all vices from any sort of restraint comes the downside of increased psychological collapse. I'm sure it doesn't necessarily have to be this way but that certainly is the way it has gone. One need only observe the rape crisis in India to see the full benefits and negatives of Judeo-American practices on a nation (real rape, not Judeo-American campus date-rape).
One need only observe the obvious allure of Wahabist Islam as a rejection of Judeo-American social breakdown.
The way we go about looking for cures to the obvious signs that we are nationally unwell is indicative that we are too unwell to heal ourselves. It'd be like seeing those solitary killer whales in their small swimming pool in some seaworld, exhibiting obvious signs of mental distress, like smashing their head repeatedly into the pool wall, as a few of them have done, and coming to the conclusion that this whale just isn't thinking right and needs a course of Prozac till it overcomes this bout of mental derangement.
Or seeing the grizzly bear at the zoo, pacing backwards and forwards endlessly in the one spot, or retreating daily to its cave for hours on end of chronic masturbation, and coming up with the solution that what this bear needs is a course in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy.
We wouldn't do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system. Just as we all know that homosexual marriage is the next great leap forward and those who disagree need reeducation for their bigotry. The list could go on.
But really, has anyone ever asked our elites just why psychological problems are so prevalent these days?Replies: @Anonymous, @rod1963
With the increase in material prosperity, health care, and general liberation of all vices from any sort of restraint comes the downside of increased psychological collapse.
You forgot the eradication of traditional forms of behavior and self-restraint that existed for thousands of years during the last century.
So of course you get people going off the rails in ways never seen before. It’s happening all over the world where modernity has won. It’s nothing more than sugar coated nihilism with a touch of social Darwinism for the working class. Quite brutal if you buy into it.
Anyone who embraces it, modernity that is, will be corroded by it. Look at Europe. it’s dying and incapable of protecting their own from a 3rd world invasion. That’s what modernity has gave us.
People like Lewis Mumford saw it coming decades ago. Historian Carroll Quiqley remarked upon the incipient forms of it back in the mid 70’s.
Much of the other issues are induced by a society that is manifestly unfit for most humans.
We wouldn’t do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system.
Why it is perfect for those at the top. You know the sort, the ones who put a few hours in the office and get paid millions. Who have no idea what’s it like to come home with your body bent over in pain from hard labor and long hours or your guts in a knot because you’ve just hit 40 and the company is going to replace you with a foreign worker.
The irrational part comes in concerning where Jews go from there. Most of what they pursue in the name of that grievance is either malfeasance or nuts, or sometimes both. Using it to browbeat American whites, who pulled Jewish fat out of the fire in the Holocaust, would be exhibit A. Jews should be ashamed.
This illustrates the dangerous aspects of the tribal human mind that neo-traditionalists think so highly of, and which we also see in America's black population, no thanks to that troll Ta-Nehisi Coates. In a Neoreactionary restoration, we should establish some kind of statute of limitations over trying to redress injustices inflicted on people long dead to put a stop to this nonsense in the current generation.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Romanian
I’m still pissed at them for taking Iberia in the first place. And Egypt as well.
Ohh that’s easy. See for many college youngsters, it’s their first time away from home, they are disorientated, looking for friends and a baring. They are in short emotionally and mentally vulnerable to external influence. It’s why cults always concentrate on college students. They are prime material.
Shree Ranjeesh recruited like crazy among them, same with some other named cults. Nice soft mushy minds to mold.
Usually a cult will rope in prospects slowly, befriend them at first, do the old pace, pace and lead technique, then have them join a group, later a intensive 2-3 day seminar in a remote location.
The PC/MC college clown posse operates the same way as a cult. Hell it is a political cult at it’s core, except it’s a headless movement.
Trump’s War on Legal Immigration a Tipping Point for the GOP
Noah Rothman sez:
People have long fretted that Jews’ association with the rise of communist tyranny in Russia may indelibly taint the Jewish brand.
(Commentary must’ve had their smart Jews on other projects, this guy can’t write for shit: “may mark the start of the period at which point the GOP becomes marked, perhaps irreversibly” is just Godawful)
Many decades of dirty tactics in pursuit of open-borders advocacy, and other leftist policies, have marked Jews, perhaps irreversibly, with the stain of communism and racial hatred.
The Jews’ immigration “plan” (inter alia) is an assault on not merely America, or the western world, but the entire white race (themselves excluded, of course). Their behavior amounts to a declaration of war on western civilization, and the peoples that created and sustain it, and has been indispensible in erecting a leftist thought-police state incompatible with the values and traditions of the west.
Jews can tear down their wall in Israel. Otherwise, they should STFU when other ethnicities decide they want a wall, too.
Libertarian: a leftist who attacks the right using a “small gov’t” mantra. Of course, my plan wouldn’t require any more police, and would actually save taxpayers money: create a proper verification system (we can use the Israeli model, if we’re too helpless to create our own) and crack down hard on employers (like “caught smuggling heroin” hard.). This would require a minimum of enforcement, just enough to convince employers that they’re playing bankruptcy lotto by hiring criminal aliens. The number of violaters would rapidly drop below the number of businessmen smuggling heroin.
A Jewish shrink might call Noah Rothman’s attitude “learned helplessness,” though in this case I think “taught helplessness” might be more fitting.
But Noah has inadvertantly backed into a point; Trump is probably full of shit. He’s smart enough to know that cracking down on employers is the way to go. Perhaps he has no intention of putting an end to open borders, and just wants to collect disaffected voters. But if that’s the case, then why is he in the race at all?
Jews’ “plan” for the west in general, and America in particular, should give whites who revere western civilization pause. There are no positive aspects to this “plan.”
But I am very glad to see that Noah Rothman is not entirely on board with the Jewish “plan.” He should confine himself to persuading the rest of his tribe to abandon their “plan” for the west.
From the comments:
From a guy named “Fish” and a guy named “Salzberger,” lol. Maybe there’s hope yet.
I’m starting to love this Daniel Fish guy. He sounds a lot like me, lol.
I suppose authors like Rothman studiously ignore the comments to their own articles to avoid the thorny dilemmas raised by comments like these. It’s hard to feign helplessness when people are giving you clear, concise solutions to the problem at hand.
It's simple, really. You tell Western Union that all moneys it receives destined for Mexico are to be placed in a special account and then sent, instead, to IRS.
(22 BILLION bucks a year.) Remember, Jeff Sessions helped Trump craft his plan and he is no fool.
If Western Union doesn't want to do that, charge them with treason.
OR....simply defund any and all foreign aid monies going to Mexico.
In another generati0n or two, Jews in the U.S. won’t get any more sympathy for the Holocaust, especially as the country fills up with dullard and vaguely anti-Semitic Hispanics. They need to set this part of their history aside and move on.
This illustrates the dangerous aspects of the tribal human mind that neo-traditionalists think so highly of, and which we also see in America's black population, no thanks to that troll Ta-Nehisi Coates. In a Neoreactionary restoration, we should establish some kind of statute of limitations over trying to redress injustices inflicted on people long dead to put a stop to this nonsense in the current generation.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Romanian
Jews commemorate conflicts that predate Islam by a thousand years or more.
Barely a day goes by without me seeing it used as a metaphor.
It is not the same thing as actually feeling slighted and personally aggrieved by the reconquista.
In England we remember 1066, but since the Normans don't exist it is quite hard to feel aggrieved with them.
There is a thread of political thought which draws a line of continuity between them and the current upper classes and maintains a set of grievances through that, but it is very far from common.
I think that for this to happen your group probably has to have lost and for real grievance the enemy still need to be around.
I guess Jews do grieve the destruction of the temple, but I don't think they are angry with any group alive over it.
Since the reconquista represented a genuine big scale clash of civilizations I think it is more likely to perpetuate as a group grievance. After all, civilizations are bigger than any one ethnic group.Replies: @Anonymous
This level of obsequious policing of language and behavior might seem ridiculous to you, but is the inevitable result of allowing wild animals to run loose on campus. Just one incident of saying the truth about Egyptians being White could send the entire campus into a race war, and those women’s rights issues could lead to another jihad or something with the Religion of Pieces around. With diverse populations that hate and despise each other in close proximity, the Prissy Patrol must be ever vigilant about causing the wild animals to riot and burn those expensive buildings. Now that Whites no longer are involved in construction some of those buildings will lie in ruins for hundreds of years if the wild animals get frisky.
True, but let's put it differently: Creating money out of thin air has its limits, the reality is that we're running short of resources, in other words the world is getting poorer. That's why New Orleans hasn't been completely rebuilt (unlike Hiroshima and Dresden) and never will. And so would college buildings, if they were torched during riots.
Oil prices are low because consumers don't have enough genuine money to buy that oil.
The majority of people are in denial about this on-going impoverishment, but being in denial means that, deep inside your mind, they know the truth, but as it is too ugly to be looked at, they cover it with layers upon layers of obfuscations.
Time was, spiteful little fuckers like these vindictive “microaggressionists” were shamed for their being squealers, tattletales, stool pigeons, back-stabbers, whiners, and just plain old pains-in-the-ass.
Today they’re brazen face-stabbers. Because in the 1960’s the grownups LEFT THE ROOM.
Thus today we endure living in a society evermore infantilized. So that our “moral” Puritopian – and economic – superiors can evermore easily soft-talk, bait, or browbeat us perpetual adolescents into meekly obeying their dictates.
Ellis also apparently invented what pickup artists now call "day game." He writes that as a young man (in the 1930's) he feared talking to women, so he set himself the goal of approaching 100 women in public to try to start conversations with them. At the end of this exercise he writes that he lost all fear of The Approach.
Of course, when aspiring pickup artists try this now, women have reported them to the police with complaints of harassment. Ellis in his youth lived in a more innocent time, before feminism poisoned the relationship between the sexes.Replies: @SPMoore8, @Anonym
So-called ‘game’ is not a new thing. There have been Don Juans throughout history who knew what they were doing. Feminists are to blame for much but there are men who take it too far as well. Women have a right to reject men who they don’t want to sleep with. Men in this category ought to accept defeat graciously.
One downside to game is that it encourages a lowering of standards and a risk of marrying what you are habituated to screwing recreationally. Generally people find their own equilibrium in the relationship market. A male 10 can sleep with a 7-8 or less the first night he meets her. But a female 9 or 10 has options. If she is looking to marry, she can and should put the potential suitor through some trials. She should not signal low value by putting out just to make some sleazeball happy. This same sort of phenomenon applies down the value scale. A desire to procreate or marry up is a near universal.
However, the woman of equal or greater value may choose to marry you even if she won’t sleep with you on day 1 or 2 or 10. The PUA discards this woman.
Innate fixation and pursuit can be a bad thing if it becomes stalker-like but many guys have to subordinate this desire to get enough experience in the first place. And yet given that very little wild oats is sown in this day and age, at least in the white community, it would make more sense to have an English country gentleman type eugenic approach to carefully selecting a wife and pursuing her. Rating her capabilities, those of her line, and even look at one’s own characteristics like a dog breeder and choose traits of the wife to shore up some weaknesses perhaps. Then doggedly pursue her. This is the complete opposite approach to the numbers game but it at least has a chance of producing something of lasting worth.
That’s why hypnosis was helpful to me in believing my pep talk.
A large segment likes to see others grovel and apologize. The Japanese issued another apology for WWII, but also there was a note from Abe about the limits of such things. Maybe some hope?
Obama started his presidency with an apology tour in foreign locals. The domestic market would be so lucky to get an apology tour from the fraud at the end of his stewardship.Replies: @Horzabky
The Japanese issued another apology for WWII, but also there was a note from Abe about the limits of such things. Maybe some hope?
Japanese is both homogenous and Japanese. It couldn’t be more different from the US and the EU than it presently is.
Obama started his presidency with an apology tour in foreign locals
Obama’s apologies are kabuki theater. He bombed seven countries and helped topple the democratically elected Ukrainian president.
He didn’t fire Victoria Nuland. Would she still have her job if she had said “F*ck Israel” instead of “F*ck the EU”? That’s a question only Americans can answer, but I think that, had she insulted Israel instead of the EU, she would have got the Donald Sterling treatment.
Now that Whites no longer are involved in construction some of those buildings will lie in ruins for hundreds of years if the wild animals get frisky.
True, but let’s put it differently: Creating money out of thin air has its limits, the reality is that we’re running short of resources, in other words the world is getting poorer. That’s why New Orleans hasn’t been completely rebuilt (unlike Hiroshima and Dresden) and never will. And so would college buildings, if they were torched during riots.
Oil prices are low because consumers don’t have enough genuine money to buy that oil.
The majority of people are in denial about this on-going impoverishment, but being in denial means that, deep inside your mind, they know the truth, but as it is too ugly to be looked at, they cover it with layers upon layers of obfuscations.
I understand that lawyers are prone to depression. Maybe that’s partly due to their inherent mindset of looking for the catch, the downside, and enjoying argument. But it can also remunerate well.
All DNA cares about is that it gets passed on. It does not matter whether the individual instance of the DNA is happy or sad.
A lot more people than Jews commemorate David’s felling of Goliath.
Barely a day goes by without me seeing it used as a metaphor.
It is not the same thing as actually feeling slighted and personally aggrieved by the reconquista.
In England we remember 1066, but since the Normans don’t exist it is quite hard to feel aggrieved with them.
There is a thread of political thought which draws a line of continuity between them and the current upper classes and maintains a set of grievances through that, but it is very far from common.
I think that for this to happen your group probably has to have lost and for real grievance the enemy still need to be around.
I guess Jews do grieve the destruction of the temple, but I don’t think they are angry with any group alive over it.
Since the reconquista represented a genuine big scale clash of civilizations I think it is more likely to perpetuate as a group grievance. After all, civilizations are bigger than any one ethnic group.
Japanese is both homogenous and Japanese. It couldn't be more different from the US and the EU than it presently is.
Obama started his presidency with an apology tour in foreign locals
Obama's apologies are kabuki theater. He bombed seven countries and helped topple the democratically elected Ukrainian president.
He didn't fire Victoria Nuland. Would she still have her job if she had said "F*ck Israel" instead of "F*ck the EU"? That's a question only Americans can answer, but I think that, had she insulted Israel instead of the EU, she would have got the Donald Sterling treatment.Replies: @Deduction
American – America isn’t the stupidest country in the world, the EU is.
Haha
My point of course is that ‘f*ck the EU’ is a very popular position in Europe and one I totally agree with.
For different reasons from Victoria Nuland, for sure, but her saying it would have offended no-one.
Even ardent EU supporters don’t get personally offended when it is insulted. There is zero national feeling for the EU as it is a post-national project.
Quite different from Israel really.
Please understand the difference.
And yet for all that, a direct physical confrontation over a slight would be an improvement over what's currently emerging, which is anonymous ratting on people you don't like.
I also agree that there is something in human nature that delights in harming others; I would call it "sin" but then I'd get in trouble in most venues for saying that.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
I agree. If you delight in taking offense at everything, you should bear the burden of having to fight about it rather than just running to some nanny figure to tattle-tale. At least there was some dignity to the duel.
There are no leftist principles that can be coherently articulated and hold true across the board. This is because the real, consistent leftist principle(s) cannot be uttered.
* Jewish leftism is phony.Yeah, starting with the fact that these graduates will tend to engender hostility in everyone with whom they disagree.Leftists love "mind reading." They're constantly telling us what we "really" believe, presumably via telepathy.Leftists love using their buzz labels to discount anything said by those they attach them to.Maybe for the Japanese. By the way, have the Japs changed their textbooks to reflect a semblance of reality, yet? Last I heard, I got the impression that their occasional apologies to the Chinese et al. are extremely limited in scope.Great point. Leftists love apologizing for what others have done, but would rather die in a fire than apologize for anything they've done (other than be insufficiently leftist, for which the goalpost is constantly in motion). This is obviously a form of aggression.My experience with self-hypnosis is that it basically starts with a kind of meditation where you put yourself into a different brainwave state; the state you're in when you're awake, but your emotions have been put to sleep (apparently it's a natural state we go through on our way into and out of sleep). It lets you approach things in a calm state of detachment. The TL;DR version is that you lay down, close your eyes, slow your breathing, relax, use visualization or some other method to focus your mind (visualization works well because it's hard to do, thus crowding out everything else), and once in a meditative state, start working on whatever it is you need to work on.It's the leftist psyop being run on the entire western world. It's easiest to see in institutions where leftists exert the most control....where leftists exert the most control. :)I disagree. We've basically got Dr. Freud Mengele running our culture, that's what's standing in the way of progress on this issue.
Release the whale from his cage, the bear from the zoo, and they'll be fine. Though I suppose that's what you were getting at.Modern human cognitive function is pretty recent. About 100-200k years, right? Not a lot of time to work out the bugs. The brain is a complex organ, in no species more so than humans. Mechanisms of self-review that allow for revision of behavior can go off the rails, especially in an environment designed to produce that reaction.Uhm, that's putting it mildly. Holy crap, she must be shitting her pantsuit right now.I'm going to guess "no" on that one, with the exception of systems originating outsided sub-Saharan Africa.Picohate has a nice ring.Given the response, my guess is it's a bankers' problem.Not the two I buy to shut the two lawyer AIs up.Does it mention anything about cracking down hard on employers? Because that's how it gets done, and Trump knows that perfectly well. Would be far more effective than any of that stuff you quote, would be cheap, and pay for itself.It's a two-fisted blow. Opposing open borders is bad enough. But beating the GOP field like a rented mule by doing so? Oy vey.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
Leftists love apologizing for what others have done, but would rather die in a fire than apologize for anything they’ve done
In “Dangers of National Repentance,” an essay in God in the Dock, C. S. Lewis called it “the sin of detraction masquerading as the virtue of contrition.”
I agree with Steve that Haidt should not assume real life will shock these crybabies out of their self-absorption; instead, we may find the corporate world gradually accommodating itself to the new, hypersensitive reality. The key is whether employee complaints about suffering microaggressions will be indulged by the law in the way that student complaints have been. The impression I have is that the current legal bias in favor of plaintiffs only applies within educational institutions, but there’s no reason why this can’t be extended to private businesses.
There is another possibility that is already coming in to play as much work becomes outsourced, both domestically and overseas. Small jobs are often put out to bid on the web, rather than a person being hired either temp or perm. This means millions of computer apps, web designs, backends of programs, marketing designs and logos and work of these sort are bid out to Sri Lankans, Pakistanis, Phillipinos, and some to Americans.
A couple of older workers mentioned on a bulletin board they wouldn't hire someone who appeared scruffy and spoke in "hip" offhanded too-familiar language. A couple of young offended American female workers replied in the most blistering of manners. A one-way diatribe ensued with a stream of accusations too long to read really. It was exhausting even seeing how much Occupy energy had gone into a 25 year old female American contractor dressing down the 45 yr old corporate type about her bias and racism. Generation gap? Culture rift? Misplaced mother/daughter spat? Contractor put the suit on alert, even though the suit is not obligated to work with the contractor ... yet. Freedom of association still holds. But imagine when the corporation hires the contractor and suit is her manager?
We already know what happens with commerce on private property when it's time to contract for a wedding cake.Replies: @jtgw
It already is like that and becoming more so by the day, but somebody somewhere has to be rational or something bad will happen, I don’t know what, but surely…
The consequences of everything have been socialised, and then through debt and money printing, postponed.
Which is all this is. A flight from cause and effect and consequences. It is perfect socialism and perfect freedom…the apogy of our age. You can do anything with no consequences because everyone will pay for them…in the future.
The only time when you get hit with consequences is when you come to close to pointing this out. Like saging that women shouldnt act like slurs lest they be treated like them etc etc.
Some strong libertarian principles are also needed. The problem with conservatives is that, like these leftists, they have no qualms with suppressing the offensive using government force; the only difference is conservatives want to defend religion from criticism, while leftists want to defend political correctness.Replies: @Deduction
Never tell everyone that they’re naked and you can do whatever you want and society…at some point in the future…will pay for it.
Another way to look at it is: We get to insult you, but you don’t get to insult us or even to laugh at us. “Who? Whom?” for me, but not for thee.
“For me, not for thee,” is the essence of “who whom?”
Barely a day goes by without me seeing it used as a metaphor.
It is not the same thing as actually feeling slighted and personally aggrieved by the reconquista.
In England we remember 1066, but since the Normans don't exist it is quite hard to feel aggrieved with them.
There is a thread of political thought which draws a line of continuity between them and the current upper classes and maintains a set of grievances through that, but it is very far from common.
I think that for this to happen your group probably has to have lost and for real grievance the enemy still need to be around.
I guess Jews do grieve the destruction of the temple, but I don't think they are angry with any group alive over it.
Since the reconquista represented a genuine big scale clash of civilizations I think it is more likely to perpetuate as a group grievance. After all, civilizations are bigger than any one ethnic group.Replies: @Anonymous
What makes you white people think that this world will not go on as per usual if every white male in this earth were to drop dead (I am saying white males because this blog this to be nothing more than a whine blog from white males carping about how feminism is ruining white females), if you notice non of the silicon Valley heads are white by the definition of this blog, and if white males were to dissappear from the face of the earth or silicon Valley what makes you think that the East asians, indians, and the high iq Arabs and asheknazi Jews will not be able to run the ship as well as whitey does? For a blog supposedly about white interests how many white females are regularly posting here? 0.2 percent of the white regular posters? Even Stormfront has a white female membership that is a lot higher.
As one of the .2 percent, allow me to answer this. If White MEN (stop calling them "males," it's belittling) were to disappear from the face of the Earth and "East asians, indians, and the high iq Arabs and asheknazi Jews" run the ship, run it beautifully, even run it better than White men, WHO GIVES A CRAP?
See, it's *not* Western civilization I care about, per se. I love Western civilization and want it to continue because it makes life nice for us, its inventors, us White people.
Absent White people, (since it takes White men to impregnate White women with White babies, ergo no White men = no White people) I couldn't possibly give a smaller crap whether Western Civ continues or the whole shitteree falls into the sun.Replies: @Horzabky
Depends on what you mean by 'as usual.'
If India continues as usual then it will forever remain a backwards, corrupt, disease-ridden dump riven by caste and other diversity conflicts. Out of 1.3 billion people you can find some who have talent! Whoopeee!
East Asia is an example of genuine success, but an entirely different place from the West. That part of the world would go on just fine, although as the only developed countries left, they would be a very small proportion of the world's population, especially considering that they are already shrinking.
Other than that you have a (relative) handful of high IQ Jews in Israel (good for them - they're not precariously positioned at all...) and a minority of Arabs...great, how's that working out for Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia?
I bet they'd get along with each other just fine!!!
Anyway, the problems of dysgenics in the modern world apply globally and so too will the pain. It is just more accute in the West where dysgenics often means 'population replacement' as well.
..and if you think blokes here 'carp' about feminism, just take a glance at how, say, Arabs react to feminism - headchopping, ISIS and jihad!
...or Jews with their ultra-orthodox communities, entirely shut off to the world, inbred and unachieving - aka the demographic future of Israel.
You're lucky that people here just 'carp.'
No, you're optimistic about the future of the world with no white people, because there are a few rich Indians (while most of them live in desperate poverty.)Replies: @Anonymous, @casey
And Christian Arabs are usually counted as White (cf Danny Thomas, Steve Jobs, etc)
BTW for Steve Sailer, have you ever done a piece on how Steven Pinker manages to be a beloved and respected Harvard professor, a beloved and respected public intellectual, and a hard-core evolutionary biologist with serious HBD leanings? I mean, I love it, but...the man has the biggest reality distortion field since Steve Jobs.Replies: @WhatEvvs
What is a reality distortion field? Is it some personal quality that induces cognitive dissonance in observers, or an impersonal quality?
Steven Pinker often seems to have this effect on so called liberals; despite Pinker being a hardcore supporter of evolutionary biology, a strong believer in the validity of IQ testing and the existence of the general intelligence factor "g", an advocate for the scientific proposition that men and women have innate brain-based differences in ability, a pull-no-punches critic of Steven Jay Gould, Richard Lewontin, and other Marxists academics, providing tacit support to the HBD point of view, etc., etc., AND having said all of this in print many times (talk about a paper trail!)...Pinker remains a tenured professor at Harvard, does not get shouted down when he gives public speeches, and has the stature of a well-respected public intellectual. I'm just suggesting somewhat tongue-in-cheek that given all of the badthink positions he has taken, Pinker has an RDF to rival anything that Jobs ever had, else how to explain that Pinker wasn't lynched in the public square long ago?Replies: @Steve Sailer
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/08/16/trumps-war-on-legal-immigration-a-tipping-point-for-the-gop/?utm_campaign=wp-to-twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterReplies: @WhatEvvs, @young_american
I laughed at that article, so flabby, so flaccid. It’s worth reading for the comments:
I’m sure that certain readers here will conveniently ignore the fact that the writer of this sensible comment is likely a member of the tribe they ascribe every ill in the US to.
I guess Trump is an “unserious demagogue” and the chance of his being elected President is nil, but he’s being so gutsy and sensible about this issue I can’t help but admire the clown.
The teen-angsty Dostoevsky wrote a good paragraph on this:
I chuckled when I saw that. The J-1 Visa program is pretty small in scale, and consists of eastern European kids working at amusement parks in the summer, well off foreign kids getting roped into doing bad jobs like packing Hersheys in falsely marketed “cultural exchange” summer programs, etc. It’d be funny to see these employers forced to hire “inner city youth” instead.
Trump is the only major candidate (other than maybe Sanders) who's talking this aggressively on legal immigration and its impact on workers.
Personally, I'd be perfectly comfortable with employers hiring black inner city kids rather than foreigners. As a practical matter, what'd probably happen is that those employers would just raise their wages and then hire unemployed white or Hispanic kids from the suburbs.
To be honest, as an empath (someone who can almost virtually feel the the pain of another) there are times when I would have appreciated a trigger warning about things in books I was supposed to read (A Day No Pigs Would Die) or movies I was forced to watch in class (I had to take a Women’s Literature class as a pre-req for grad school and the black prof. showed us a seriously whacked sexual movie that I still have no idea how it was supposed to relate to the course- several students walked out).
As a teacher, I do issue some warnings about content, either written or visual. I let them know if there’s going to be something disturbing so they aren’t ambushed. I’m very big on innocence protection. However, these warnings are rare, because generally we aren’t doing doing things that would upset them. This kind of “trigger warning” can be completely overdone, however, when people aren’t able to handle common English words.
If the motive is to guard and forewarn of something that could be genuinely upsetting to a certain age group, I think it is appropriate. If it is to tip-toe around and avoid maturity in discussion, it’s infantile.
Black urban culture is an honor culture. An African dueling culture. Murderous responses to microaggressions are the primary cause of death. Unfortunately, they lack a Code Duello, and small slights turn into feuds and vendetta. Sowell believes blacks acquired this from Scots-Irish culture.
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The problem with Haidt’s analysis is that he looks upon neurotic ‘magical thinking’ as a personal rather than cultural activity. When an individual thinks magically, it is personally disempowering. When an entire culture thinks magically, it empowers the group.
Think of all the mindreading done by black folks, all the secret messages they get when dealing with white people. If you bump into them or get impatient (the lady on TNC’s escalator) black folks know the ‘real reason’ the interaction occurred: racism. And when they get together, they compare notes and reinforce each other’s mindreading.
If group magical thinking by black folks is done long enough and hard enough and publicly enough, even white folks get sucked into their magical thinking. Consider the Confederate flag uproar. Believe it or not, black folks didn’t care about it until quite recently. It was a peculiar white cultural tradition, but was not threatening. Now, even white folks believe it is some monstrous, intentional and genocidal ‘signaling’.
It is personally disempowering (“Jesus, Bob has such a chip on his shoulder!”), but culturally and politically empowering to the group. Haidt should address this.
Is he? I haven’t read much of what he’s written farther back than a year or so ago, but I did not get that impression.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html
While he doesn’t come out an say that he’s for the ovens, I don’t really detect approval of immigration.
Speaking of cognitive disorders, with that Importance of Being Earnest clip you’ve re-fired my Joan Greenwood problem–and just when I thought I was way too old and married for that sort of thing. If you refrain from posting anything from Kind Hearts and Coronets in the interim, I may manage to get over it in a month or two of self-administered CBT.
Maybe it would help if I could bear in mind that she’s been dead since 1987.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMlQzTnY9LM
It'd be amusing if Trump improved the GOP's performance with blacks.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @el topo
I have a middle-aged black female friend who is very clear about her opposition to Hispanic mass immigration and the way it reduces job prospects for her sons.
None of my few white “conservative” acquaintances will even take this stance.
So yes, I’m sure Trump would get a significantly higher percentage of the black vote than any of the milquetoast conservatives. Probably a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote too.
There is a very significant strain of Social Darwanism running through conservatives or people who call themselves that because they think conservatism and business are one and the same. They blame the working poor for their own condition - too lazy, didn't study, aren't this or aren't that without realizing how that part of the social strata has been destroyed by pro-business policies. They are also oblivious to how much it is costing society for all this dysfunction versus having people tied into the system with the golden handcuffs of a good job that supports a family and gives the impression of a self-sufficient unit. They tend to have an arrogance about themselves believing that they are so superior that they will always be employed no matter what. You see this a lot in tech and they are usually the most shocked when the H-1Bs come in and they go out the door.Replies: @AndrewR
Even ardent EU supporters don’t get personally offended when it is insulted. There is zero national feeling for the EU as it is a post-national project.
I am French, and very hostile to the EU as an institution. Yet I was offended by Nuland’s vulgarity, because I am an EU citizen, and Nuland insulted every citizen of the EU, whether they are supporters of the EU project or not.
Quite different from Israel really.
Please understand the difference.
The difference is that the Israeli party is very influential in the USA and a vulgar expletive aimed at Israel would be cause for termination in US politics and mainstream journalism. Whereas Europe counts for nothing, therefore insulting the EU or its citizens is permitted. Obama himself has shown, several times, a stunning lack of respect for European leaders.
There are other reasons, it is true. Such as the fact that the more 'core' something is, the more acceptable it is to insult it. In the same way, the more 'fringe' something is than Israel the more unacceptable such an insult would be.
Could anyone get away with publically saying 'f*ck Islam,' for example?
Finally, if you think that Europe, as an aggregate, counts for nothing in the US then you're hopeless - the difference is that people in Europe did not complain - why would they? They weren't insulted.
Maybe it would help if I could bear in mind that she's been dead since 1987.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Yup, Joan Greenwood.
As a teacher, I do issue some warnings about content, either written or visual. I let them know if there's going to be something disturbing so they aren't ambushed. I'm very big on innocence protection. However, these warnings are rare, because generally we aren't doing doing things that would upset them. This kind of "trigger warning" can be completely overdone, however, when people aren't able to handle common English words.
If the motive is to guard and forewarn of something that could be genuinely upsetting to a certain age group, I think it is appropriate. If it is to tip-toe around and avoid maturity in discussion, it's infantile.Replies: @jtgw
As long as it’s up to the discretion of the teacher or the school or university administration, I have no quarrel. It’s when whiners use force, i.e. the government, to punish their offenders that I object.
You hit the nail on the head with “rational”. I’d take a leaf from the online rationalist community, e.g. Scott Alexander and his friends, and make a point of rising above your opposition. It takes effort, more effort than our ideological foes are expending, since they control the moral high ground, but it’s the only way to combat their unreason.
Some strong libertarian principles are also needed. The problem with conservatives is that, like these leftists, they have no qualms with suppressing the offensive using government force; the only difference is conservatives want to defend religion from criticism, while leftists want to defend political correctness.
The people don't need principles, they need immediate consequences to their actions.Replies: @jtgw
Peter Thiel and Elon Musk both have very white ancestry.
And the lesson jews drew from that . . . is that the people who freed them from the concentration camps should be forced to adopt Open Borders and commit national suicide (Israel is just for jews, of course).
Irrational for sure, but I can think of some other terms for that approach.
, and if white males were to dissappear from the face of the earth or silicon Valley what makes you think that the East asians, indians, and the high iq Arabs and asheknazi Jews will not be able to run the ship as well as whitey does? For a blog supposedly about white interests how many white females are regularly posting here? 0.2 percent of the white regular posters?
As one of the .2 percent, allow me to answer this. If White MEN (stop calling them “males,” it’s belittling) were to disappear from the face of the Earth and “East asians, indians, and the high iq Arabs and asheknazi Jews” run the ship, run it beautifully, even run it better than White men, WHO GIVES A CRAP?
See, it’s *not* Western civilization I care about, per se. I love Western civilization and want it to continue because it makes life nice for us, its inventors, us White people.
Absent White people, (since it takes White men to impregnate White women with White babies, ergo no White men = no White people) I couldn’t possibly give a smaller crap whether Western Civ continues or the whole shitteree falls into the sun.
That's my opinion, too. We are not so far away from being a critical mass among Whites. The self-appointed elite which despises White masses is clueless about this phenomenon. They wonder why people are reluctant to fight their wars, and eventually they wonder why so many people hate them and would prefer Putin instead.
“It’s not a racial issue,” one parent insisted. “It’s the test scores and the violence.”
lolReplies: @AnAnon
How does another kid’s test score adversely effect ones own children?
Not sure how your post follows on from mine, but whatever, I’ll bite.
Depends on what you mean by ‘as usual.’
If India continues as usual then it will forever remain a backwards, corrupt, disease-ridden dump riven by caste and other diversity conflicts. Out of 1.3 billion people you can find some who have talent! Whoopeee!
East Asia is an example of genuine success, but an entirely different place from the West. That part of the world would go on just fine, although as the only developed countries left, they would be a very small proportion of the world’s population, especially considering that they are already shrinking.
Other than that you have a (relative) handful of high IQ Jews in Israel (good for them – they’re not precariously positioned at all…) and a minority of Arabs…great, how’s that working out for Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia?
I bet they’d get along with each other just fine!!!
Anyway, the problems of dysgenics in the modern world apply globally and so too will the pain. It is just more accute in the West where dysgenics often means ‘population replacement’ as well.
..and if you think blokes here ‘carp’ about feminism, just take a glance at how, say, Arabs react to feminism – headchopping, ISIS and jihad!
…or Jews with their ultra-orthodox communities, entirely shut off to the world, inbred and unachieving – aka the demographic future of Israel.
You’re lucky that people here just ‘carp.’
No, you’re optimistic about the future of the world with no white people, because there are a few rich Indians (while most of them live in desperate poverty.)
Just carp=blaming the decline of Western civilization on feminists, advising marrying out to another race, advising marry down to a simple girl who wants to serve a family only (i.e. probably lower IQ), making it uncomfortable for an intelligent woman to even be on this website (especially a feminist) so your point of view never widens or changes or adapts to the modern world...ok
So much of the angst over feminism goes against your own goals, and supposed HBD awareness. The stubborn refusal to adapt to feminism, which we all know is not going to reverse, is part of the problem. Why not embrace feminism- encourage men to marry equal IQ, to spend more time with their kids (good thing, right?) promote parental leave for both parents, don't punish women for taking time off for bearing children, encourage young men to marry early, which in my experience women still want to do more than men, and participate much more in childcare.
The economy is terrible for encouraging families, and encouraging people to get married young. It's pretty horrible to lay all the blame on "feminists" -who makes this website possible?? A working woman. Seriously this website would improve dramatically if the scapegoating came to a halt, I say the same thing to social justice warriors who blame all the evil in the world on white people, and who (ironically?) have also recently zeroed in on "white feminists" as the root of all evil. Unbelievable. It's lazy, unproductive and frankly rather primitive thinking.Replies: @Ozymandias
Time to leave California?Replies: @AnAnon
the perverse outcome(or just outcome if one prefers) of this will be a mountain of data justifying police actions.
Evolution might now be proceeding in other directions.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
gruff said, “A giant brain might be a trump card on the savannah but a joker in the city.”
Yep. There are a lot of people who are too smart for their own good. Credentialed but not educated as The Professor would say. Full of theories about how the world should work but sorely lacking in common sense or any real world experience. Many of these people are in charge of our lives. I would be in favor of continuing to pay them if they would just go home.
Nonsense, don’t be so precious. If you care anything for your country, you know, the place you are really a citizen of (hint – it is France), then you’ll agree ‘f*ck the EU!’
Israel is a country. The EU is not a country. Israelis would gladly die for Israel, no-one would die for the EU – except to get rid of it. That is obviously the main reason for why that insult would be taken differently.
There are other reasons, it is true. Such as the fact that the more ‘core’ something is, the more acceptable it is to insult it. In the same way, the more ‘fringe’ something is than Israel the more unacceptable such an insult would be.
Could anyone get away with publically saying ‘f*ck Islam,’ for example?
Finally, if you think that Europe, as an aggregate, counts for nothing in the US then you’re hopeless – the difference is that people in Europe did not complain – why would they? They weren’t insulted.
Noah Rothman sez:People have long fretted that Jews' association with the rise of communist tyranny in Russia may indelibly taint the Jewish brand.(Commentary must've had their smart Jews on other projects, this guy can't write for shit: "may mark the start of the period at which point the GOP becomes marked, perhaps irreversibly" is just Godawful)
Many decades of dirty tactics in pursuit of open-borders advocacy, and other leftist policies, have marked Jews, perhaps irreversibly, with the stain of communism and racial hatred.The Jews' immigration "plan" (inter alia) is an assault on not merely America, or the western world, but the entire white race (themselves excluded, of course). Their behavior amounts to a declaration of war on western civilization, and the peoples that created and sustain it, and has been indispensible in erecting a leftist thought-police state incompatible with the values and traditions of the west.Jews can tear down their wall in Israel. Otherwise, they should STFU when other ethnicities decide they want a wall, too.Libertarian: a leftist who attacks the right using a "small gov't" mantra. Of course, my plan wouldn't require any more police, and would actually save taxpayers money: create a proper verification system (we can use the Israeli model, if we're too helpless to create our own) and crack down hard on employers (like "caught smuggling heroin" hard.). This would require a minimum of enforcement, just enough to convince employers that they're playing bankruptcy lotto by hiring criminal aliens. The number of violaters would rapidly drop below the number of businessmen smuggling heroin.A Jewish shrink might call Noah Rothman's attitude "learned helplessness," though in this case I think "taught helplessness" might be more fitting.
But Noah has inadvertantly backed into a point; Trump is probably full of shit. He's smart enough to know that cracking down on employers is the way to go. Perhaps he has no intention of putting an end to open borders, and just wants to collect disaffected voters. But if that's the case, then why is he in the race at all?Jews' "plan" for the west in general, and America in particular, should give whites who revere western civilization pause. There are no positive aspects to this "plan."
But I am very glad to see that Noah Rothman is not entirely on board with the Jewish "plan." He should confine himself to persuading the rest of his tribe to abandon their "plan" for the west.
From the comments:From a guy named "Fish" and a guy named "Salzberger," lol. Maybe there's hope yet.I'm starting to love this Daniel Fish guy. He sounds a lot like me, lol.
I suppose authors like Rothman studiously ignore the comments to their own articles to avoid the thorny dilemmas raised by comments like these. It's hard to feign helplessness when people are giving you clear, concise solutions to the problem at hand.Replies: @JSM
Svig, how come you agree that confiscating remittances would be infeasible?
It’s simple, really. You tell Western Union that all moneys it receives destined for Mexico are to be placed in a special account and then sent, instead, to IRS.
(22 BILLION bucks a year.) Remember, Jeff Sessions helped Trump craft his plan and he is no fool.
If Western Union doesn’t want to do that, charge them with treason.
OR….simply defund any and all foreign aid monies going to Mexico.
Some strong libertarian principles are also needed. The problem with conservatives is that, like these leftists, they have no qualms with suppressing the offensive using government force; the only difference is conservatives want to defend religion from criticism, while leftists want to defend political correctness.Replies: @Deduction
I prefer the Donald Trump route. The problem with libertarians is that they don’t understand that not everyone is as smart as them – half of the population are below average intelligence. You won’t win any election by aspergery argument – which is probably something that you don’t know because you’ve probably never had any meaningful interaction with them.
The people don’t need principles, they need immediate consequences to their actions.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
My comments were aimed at e.g. social conservatives who want to regulate what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, or what foods or drinks or drugs they consume on their own free time, but who object when the Left wants to start policing free speech or force private business owners to violate their conscience in who they do business with. Libertarianism is the only ideology I know of that treats both issues fairly and has a consistent approach to restraining government interference in our private lives.Replies: @Area Man
I purchased several self hypnosis sessions online and converted them to .wav files. Then I added enough blank space to each one to make them ninety minutes long, set them on loop, and let them play all night long. Unfortunately, each session ends with a wake up message, and I did wake up every ninety minutes.
Phase two: cut out the introduction and the wrap up, staggered the left and right channels, added a small and different type of reverb to each channel, and added enough empty time to return each session to ninety minutes. The finished track eases in and out slowly, it sounds a lot like someone whispering into your ear. Set the tracks to loop again while sleeping. This method was undeniably effective. You don’t have to be awake for hypnosis to have benefits. Nor do you have to buy any commercial hypnosis recordings, they’re probably even more effective when you make them yourself.
This illustrates the dangerous aspects of the tribal human mind that neo-traditionalists think so highly of, and which we also see in America's black population, no thanks to that troll Ta-Nehisi Coates. In a Neoreactionary restoration, we should establish some kind of statute of limitations over trying to redress injustices inflicted on people long dead to put a stop to this nonsense in the current generation.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Romanian
Maybe I should be pissed at the loss of Christian/Roman/European North Africa, the extinguishing of the European civilization in Anatolia (where did they find the ruins of Troy?) and the loss of Constantinople, with the largest basilica in Christendom turned into a Mosque and having its art painted over. I’m pissed that my people were born at the crossroads for every 2 bit murderous Dothraki horde and had to spend the better part of a millennium either at war or paying tribute to the Ottomans in order to live their lives as a coherent people. Maybe I should be pissed that people keep referencing the Christian Crusades which were focused on a small part of the Near East, instead of the Muslim Crusade that reached France 70 years after their Prophet died and was only stopped at the gates of Vienna 1000 years later. But no, live and let live, decolonize, transfer technology, allow immigration, give away your treasure and your posterity, allow Iron Age tribes the rights to subterranean wealth they could have never dreamed of or exploited instead of taking it from them.
I’m okay with the history… I just want something better for myself and my posterity.
PS I can’t get over being pissed at the debilitating effect of Communism on my country, but I can’t bring myself to hate the Russians for it. Or Churchill. Or FDR.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/08/16/trumps-war-on-legal-immigration-a-tipping-point-for-the-gop/?utm_campaign=wp-to-twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterReplies: @WhatEvvs, @young_american
What a total and complete surprise!
Commentary….. they should just call it Doctrine.
I have a few college friends who went to the US for 3 months with the Work & Travel program that, apparently, coincides with the J-1 Visa. They made enough money to cover their costs, the costs of the program (like 1000 bucks) and return with clothes and laptops. But the experience with diversity was priceless. They were the first to fall to my conservative screed spewing in their idealistic ears. Every policy maker in Europe should go to the US on a J-1 and flip burgers with some Africans or Hispanics.
end the fed gov't support of stu(pid)dent loans and watch that big EDU market collapse.Replies: @Marat
Exactly!! Yank that Fed money and watch the problem self=correct!
Funny to think of the “I’m ready for Hillary” campaign that was rolling out exactly one year ago!!
It’s the sentiment that counts.
Trump is the only major candidate (other than maybe Sanders) who’s talking this aggressively on legal immigration and its impact on workers.
Personally, I’d be perfectly comfortable with employers hiring black inner city kids rather than foreigners. As a practical matter, what’d probably happen is that those employers would just raise their wages and then hire unemployed white or Hispanic kids from the suburbs.
Interesting point — the idea that corporate world may begin to accommodate these special snowflakes …
There is another possibility that is already coming in to play as much work becomes outsourced, both domestically and overseas. Small jobs are often put out to bid on the web, rather than a person being hired either temp or perm. This means millions of computer apps, web designs, backends of programs, marketing designs and logos and work of these sort are bid out to Sri Lankans, Pakistanis, Phillipinos, and some to Americans.
A couple of older workers mentioned on a bulletin board they wouldn’t hire someone who appeared scruffy and spoke in “hip” offhanded too-familiar language. A couple of young offended American female workers replied in the most blistering of manners. A one-way diatribe ensued with a stream of accusations too long to read really. It was exhausting even seeing how much Occupy energy had gone into a 25 year old female American contractor dressing down the 45 yr old corporate type about her bias and racism. Generation gap? Culture rift? Misplaced mother/daughter spat? Contractor put the suit on alert, even though the suit is not obligated to work with the contractor … yet. Freedom of association still holds. But imagine when the corporation hires the contractor and suit is her manager?
We already know what happens with commerce on private property when it’s time to contract for a wedding cake.
The people don't need principles, they need immediate consequences to their actions.Replies: @jtgw
You can cool it with the ad hominems, dude. I’ve had plenty of interaction with non-libertarians; libertarians do not make up a majority of smart people, I can tell you. On the contrary, smart people, as far as I can see, typically think their ideas of how society should be ordered are incontrovertibly correct and that they are therefore justified in imposing their views on others. Libertarians, on the other hand, believe that the wisdom of the masses always outstrips the wisdom of individuals or small cliques of social engineers or clerics.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
My comments were aimed at e.g. social conservatives who want to regulate what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, or what foods or drinks or drugs they consume on their own free time, but who object when the Left wants to start policing free speech or force private business owners to violate their conscience in who they do business with. Libertarianism is the only ideology I know of that treats both issues fairly and has a consistent approach to restraining government interference in our private lives.
Libertarianism does have the virtue of internal logic across most issues, but few if any humans are capable of behaving like Mr. Spock at all times.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
Then libertarianism is the ultimate example of unintended consequences. The most likely result of socially liberal behavior is the imposition of economically liberal solutions. E.g., the growth in single-parent homes (probably increasing GDP due to more people in the workforce!) driven by no-fault divorce, the sexual revolution, and legalized abortion creates pressure to enact things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, S-CHIP, etc. Once the subsidy is in place, the original destructive behavior only increases, requiring a greater subsidy. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Speaking at least for myself, social conservatism makes sense because it prevents or minimizes this result, not because of some sort of glee I get from killing other's fun.Replies: @jtgw
There is another possibility that is already coming in to play as much work becomes outsourced, both domestically and overseas. Small jobs are often put out to bid on the web, rather than a person being hired either temp or perm. This means millions of computer apps, web designs, backends of programs, marketing designs and logos and work of these sort are bid out to Sri Lankans, Pakistanis, Phillipinos, and some to Americans.
A couple of older workers mentioned on a bulletin board they wouldn't hire someone who appeared scruffy and spoke in "hip" offhanded too-familiar language. A couple of young offended American female workers replied in the most blistering of manners. A one-way diatribe ensued with a stream of accusations too long to read really. It was exhausting even seeing how much Occupy energy had gone into a 25 year old female American contractor dressing down the 45 yr old corporate type about her bias and racism. Generation gap? Culture rift? Misplaced mother/daughter spat? Contractor put the suit on alert, even though the suit is not obligated to work with the contractor ... yet. Freedom of association still holds. But imagine when the corporation hires the contractor and suit is her manager?
We already know what happens with commerce on private property when it's time to contract for a wedding cake.Replies: @jtgw
Right, this is what I’m worried about. Not that entitled bitches might whinge on some internet forum, which they can do to their heart’s content, but that they might be granted some made-up right to sue for discrimination because they were not prepared to change their behavior to conform to the company’s norms. And for the record, I’m a bohemian at heart and loathe conformity and corporate suits, but I recognize that they are a part of our social fabric, and if you want to join them, you have to play by their rules.
American Jews aren’t a political monolith when it comes to immigration. A slight majority of American Jews are in favor of mild immigration restriction compared to what the country currently has. They don’t go far enough for me, but it’s hardly the case that every American Jew sees eye to eye with Ezra Klein. I favor an immigration moratorium for at least several decades, an end to birthright citizenship, enforcement of existing immigration law such that illegal immigrants couldn’t find work and would self-deport, and an Israeli-style wall on the southern border.
Re: How does another kid’s test score adversely effect ones own children?
Modern society has incorporate that into yet another of its Zero Sum Games (I win, you lose), or their nasty cousin, Negative Sum Games (I win, and am glad that you lost, big, maybe a Pyrrhic victory resulting in net loss all around but dammit, somebody else lost and that was the overriding factor!).
A quote from 20 years ago during the Balkan crisis is borderline relevant: one feuding guy said about about his neighbor/rival/frenemy, “at least his cow died”.
Depends on what you mean by 'as usual.'
If India continues as usual then it will forever remain a backwards, corrupt, disease-ridden dump riven by caste and other diversity conflicts. Out of 1.3 billion people you can find some who have talent! Whoopeee!
East Asia is an example of genuine success, but an entirely different place from the West. That part of the world would go on just fine, although as the only developed countries left, they would be a very small proportion of the world's population, especially considering that they are already shrinking.
Other than that you have a (relative) handful of high IQ Jews in Israel (good for them - they're not precariously positioned at all...) and a minority of Arabs...great, how's that working out for Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia?
I bet they'd get along with each other just fine!!!
Anyway, the problems of dysgenics in the modern world apply globally and so too will the pain. It is just more accute in the West where dysgenics often means 'population replacement' as well.
..and if you think blokes here 'carp' about feminism, just take a glance at how, say, Arabs react to feminism - headchopping, ISIS and jihad!
...or Jews with their ultra-orthodox communities, entirely shut off to the world, inbred and unachieving - aka the demographic future of Israel.
You're lucky that people here just 'carp.'
No, you're optimistic about the future of the world with no white people, because there are a few rich Indians (while most of them live in desperate poverty.)Replies: @Anonymous, @casey
Japan will self stabilise at around 60 million or so, when declining population levels make housing cheaper again, as for the Arab world Baghdad was a pleasant place to live in 1975. As for white people being essential to the operation of this world, vancouver and toronto is less than 50 percent white as still functions as well as it did, or even better than it did in 1956
The average Japanese house, according to the Financial Times, lasts only 30 years. They really are made of ticky-tacky.
And do Vancover and Toronto produce their own electricity? Do they manufacture their own steel? Make all their plastics themselves? Grow all their own food?
None of my few white "conservative" acquaintances will even take this stance.
So yes, I'm sure Trump would get a significantly higher percentage of the black vote than any of the milquetoast conservatives. Probably a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote too.Replies: @Brutusale, @MarkinLA
I see a lot of the same attitude where I live. I guess these deluded fools think all those Asian kids boosting the test scores at the local high school will be working in Chinese restaurants instead of being little Junior’s boss.
This could be asked about any number of things that can go wrong with your body and mind. Biology is messy, and evolution probably does more satisficing than optimizing.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
My comments were aimed at e.g. social conservatives who want to regulate what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, or what foods or drinks or drugs they consume on their own free time, but who object when the Left wants to start policing free speech or force private business owners to violate their conscience in who they do business with. Libertarianism is the only ideology I know of that treats both issues fairly and has a consistent approach to restraining government interference in our private lives.Replies: @Area Man
Libertarianism is the only ideology I know of that treats both issues fairly and has a consistent approach to restraining government interference in our private lives.
Libertarianism does have the virtue of internal logic across most issues, but few if any humans are capable of behaving like Mr. Spock at all times.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
Then libertarianism is the ultimate example of unintended consequences. The most likely result of socially liberal behavior is the imposition of economically liberal solutions. E.g., the growth in single-parent homes (probably increasing GDP due to more people in the workforce!) driven by no-fault divorce, the sexual revolution, and legalized abortion creates pressure to enact things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, S-CHIP, etc. Once the subsidy is in place, the original destructive behavior only increases, requiring a greater subsidy. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Speaking at least for myself, social conservatism makes sense because it prevents or minimizes this result, not because of some sort of glee I get from killing other’s fun.
Last time I checked, American soldiers fought against the Nazis during WWII………
Well if those Asian American engineers are only as good as Toyota or Honda engineers, then White American engineers have not much to worry about, I mean German luxury cars are still ahead of the pack.
If he is that tuned into the American psyche that he knows that people are fed up with illegal immigration, why isn't he also wise to the fact that people are fed up with legal immigration too.Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @MarkinLA
You have to grab what you can when you can. If he gets in and cuts off illegal immigration and people see how much better things are he can work on reducing legal immigration.
Libertarianism does have the virtue of internal logic across most issues, but few if any humans are capable of behaving like Mr. Spock at all times.
And having people face the consequences of their actions, and not have costs handed off to the public, is precisely what libertarianism is about!
Then libertarianism is the ultimate example of unintended consequences. The most likely result of socially liberal behavior is the imposition of economically liberal solutions. E.g., the growth in single-parent homes (probably increasing GDP due to more people in the workforce!) driven by no-fault divorce, the sexual revolution, and legalized abortion creates pressure to enact things like the Earned Income Tax Credit, S-CHIP, etc. Once the subsidy is in place, the original destructive behavior only increases, requiring a greater subsidy. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Speaking at least for myself, social conservatism makes sense because it prevents or minimizes this result, not because of some sort of glee I get from killing other's fun.Replies: @jtgw
I take your point, though I think the problem there is more with democracy, at least a democracy where private property rights are not enshrined in the constitution. As long as people get to vote themselves other people’s money and property, they will do so.
None of my few white "conservative" acquaintances will even take this stance.
So yes, I'm sure Trump would get a significantly higher percentage of the black vote than any of the milquetoast conservatives. Probably a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote too.Replies: @Brutusale, @MarkinLA
None of my few white “conservative” acquaintances will even take this stance.
There is a very significant strain of Social Darwanism running through conservatives or people who call themselves that because they think conservatism and business are one and the same. They blame the working poor for their own condition – too lazy, didn’t study, aren’t this or aren’t that without realizing how that part of the social strata has been destroyed by pro-business policies. They are also oblivious to how much it is costing society for all this dysfunction versus having people tied into the system with the golden handcuffs of a good job that supports a family and gives the impression of a self-sufficient unit. They tend to have an arrogance about themselves believing that they are so superior that they will always be employed no matter what. You see this a lot in tech and they are usually the most shocked when the H-1Bs come in and they go out the door.
If your kid goes to a school of dummies – especially black ones your kids may encounter being bullied for being smart. In addition, the inability of the teacher to teach the vast majority of the dumb kids will slow the lessons down for everybody and hurt your kids chance to even attain grade level.
This is disputed.
It is very easy to make cars that don't break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmissionReplies: @Steve Sailer, @IBC, @Ozymandias, @Reg Cæsar
Why wait? Vacant houses are a major problem now. One in seven Japanese houses is unoccupied.
The average Japanese house, according to the Financial Times, lasts only 30 years. They really are made of ticky-tacky.
Yet all the Jewish pols get Fs on immigration. The actual political thrust of Jewry is almost totally behind immigration. Polls don’t amount to a fart in the wind against that.
Are German cars reliable
Cost of ownership over time is substantially higher, from what I read, because of the cost of parts and labor.
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All the Jewish political money is behind open borders. Jews vote 70-80% Dem, while all the resistance to open borders is Republican. If you count the votes for both factions, all the Jews wind up on the open borders side. I’d be delighted to discover this has changed. The historical record (PDF) certainly suggests it won’t. Unless we could pull off something like pegging naturalization in America to Israeli citizenship; then we’d see immigration stopped overnight.
Might be tradition; I hear they made ’em light in the past because they were always being destroyed by earthquakes, tsunami, and fires anyway.
Does anyone have any data on whether Whites, East Indians, Jews, and East Asians commit white collar crimes such as wire fraud more or less often than blacks commit blue collar crimes?
Forgery and counterfeiting. Arrests by race: Whites (including Hispanics): 44,730. Blacks: 21,251.
For every Black in USA, there are six Whites. But the six Whites commit only twice as many forgeries as the one Black. Shows you, that Blacks are more prone than Whites even to commit white collar crime. Three times more prone than Whites, actually.
It’s the same for the rest of white collar crime: Blacks are three times more likely to commit white collar crime than Whites.
Blacks are more prone to commit any type of crime than Whites.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Are German cars reliable
Cost of ownership over time is substantially higher, from what I read, because of the cost of parts and labor.Replies: @Anonymous
I’ve mostly lived in places with small Jewish communities. Jewish pols wouldn’t be viable for state or national political office in these locales, and I’ve never even seen Jewish candidates on the ballot much less voted for one. Wouldn’t vote for a liberal anyway.
“Last time I checked, American soldiers fought against the Nazis during WWII………”
Yes, but they were all black soldiers, as we now know. No actual white christian Americans fought against the third reich.
“As for white people being essential to the operation of this world, vancouver and toronto is less than 50 percent white as still functions as well as it did, or even better than it did in 1956.”
And do Vancover and Toronto produce their own electricity? Do they manufacture their own steel? Make all their plastics themselves? Grow all their own food?
You forgot the eradication of traditional forms of behavior and self-restraint that existed for thousands of years during the last century.
So of course you get people going off the rails in ways never seen before. It's happening all over the world where modernity has won. It's nothing more than sugar coated nihilism with a touch of social Darwinism for the working class. Quite brutal if you buy into it.
Anyone who embraces it, modernity that is, will be corroded by it. Look at Europe. it's dying and incapable of protecting their own from a 3rd world invasion. That's what modernity has gave us.
People like Lewis Mumford saw it coming decades ago. Historian Carroll Quiqley remarked upon the incipient forms of it back in the mid 70's.
Much of the other issues are induced by a society that is manifestly unfit for most humans.
We wouldn’t do it with whales and bears so why do we do it to ourselves? We do it because we all know that the system we have is perfect and it is us who need adjustment to the system.
Why it is perfect for those at the top. You know the sort, the ones who put a few hours in the office and get paid millions. Who have no idea what's it like to come home with your body bent over in pain from hard labor and long hours or your guts in a knot because you've just hit 40 and the company is going to replace you with a foreign worker.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Agree. Well said.
Hehehe…sorry, didn’t mean to be obscure. The late Steve Jobs (founder and later savior of Apple, Inc.) was famously (or infamously) said to be capable of making people believe what he was saying, regardless of the listener’s preconceptions; this was admiringly and/or derisively called Jobs’ “reality distortion field.”
Steven Pinker often seems to have this effect on so called liberals; despite Pinker being a hardcore supporter of evolutionary biology, a strong believer in the validity of IQ testing and the existence of the general intelligence factor “g”, an advocate for the scientific proposition that men and women have innate brain-based differences in ability, a pull-no-punches critic of Steven Jay Gould, Richard Lewontin, and other Marxists academics, providing tacit support to the HBD point of view, etc., etc., AND having said all of this in print many times (talk about a paper trail!)…Pinker remains a tenured professor at Harvard, does not get shouted down when he gives public speeches, and has the stature of a well-respected public intellectual. I’m just suggesting somewhat tongue-in-cheek that given all of the badthink positions he has taken, Pinker has an RDF to rival anything that Jobs ever had, else how to explain that Pinker wasn’t lynched in the public square long ago?
Steven Pinker often seems to have this effect on so called liberals; despite Pinker being a hardcore supporter of evolutionary biology, a strong believer in the validity of IQ testing and the existence of the general intelligence factor "g", an advocate for the scientific proposition that men and women have innate brain-based differences in ability, a pull-no-punches critic of Steven Jay Gould, Richard Lewontin, and other Marxists academics, providing tacit support to the HBD point of view, etc., etc., AND having said all of this in print many times (talk about a paper trail!)...Pinker remains a tenured professor at Harvard, does not get shouted down when he gives public speeches, and has the stature of a well-respected public intellectual. I'm just suggesting somewhat tongue-in-cheek that given all of the badthink positions he has taken, Pinker has an RDF to rival anything that Jobs ever had, else how to explain that Pinker wasn't lynched in the public square long ago?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Malcolm Gladwell went after Pinker in the NYT around 2009 for using data on NFL quarterback draft picks assembled by notorious crime thinker Steve Sailer. It didn’t end well for Gladwell’s reputation.
Pinker’s obvious intellectual superiority scares off the brighter bad guys, and the dimmer ones don’t know who he is.
A similar type is Nicholas Wade. Though he presents material totally at odds with their worldview, he never seemed to represent a threat to them. Look at the lengthy career enjoyed at the NY Times! No doubt his soft-spoken, non-confrontational manner worked in his favor. Evidently, A Troublesome Inheritance was one step over the line, though.
As one of the .2 percent, allow me to answer this. If White MEN (stop calling them "males," it's belittling) were to disappear from the face of the Earth and "East asians, indians, and the high iq Arabs and asheknazi Jews" run the ship, run it beautifully, even run it better than White men, WHO GIVES A CRAP?
See, it's *not* Western civilization I care about, per se. I love Western civilization and want it to continue because it makes life nice for us, its inventors, us White people.
Absent White people, (since it takes White men to impregnate White women with White babies, ergo no White men = no White people) I couldn't possibly give a smaller crap whether Western Civ continues or the whole shitteree falls into the sun.Replies: @Horzabky
Absent White people, (since it takes White men to impregnate White women with White babies, ergo no White men = no White people) I couldn’t possibly give a smaller crap whether Western Civ continues or the whole shitteree falls into the sun.
That’s my opinion, too. We are not so far away from being a critical mass among Whites. The self-appointed elite which despises White masses is clueless about this phenomenon. They wonder why people are reluctant to fight their wars, and eventually they wonder why so many people hate them and would prefer Putin instead.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0325.pdf
Forgery and counterfeiting. Arrests by race: Whites (including Hispanics): 44,730. Blacks: 21,251.
For every Black in USA, there are six Whites. But the six Whites commit only twice as many forgeries as the one Black. Shows you, that Blacks are more prone than Whites even to commit white collar crime. Three times more prone than Whites, actually.
It’s the same for the rest of white collar crime: Blacks are three times more likely to commit white collar crime than Whites.
Blacks are more prone to commit any type of crime than Whites.
Forgery and counterfeiting. Arrests by race: Whites (including Hispanics): 44,730. Blacks: 21,251.
For every Black in USA, there are six Whites. But the six Whites commit only twice as many forgeries as the one Black. Shows you, that Blacks are more prone than Whites even to commit white collar crime. Three times more prone than Whites, actually.
It’s the same for the rest of white collar crime: Blacks are three times more likely to commit white collar crime than Whites.
Blacks are more prone to commit any type of crime than Whites.Replies: @Steve Sailer
I think price-fixing and other corporate anti-trust violations are a white specialty. Maybe selling LSD, too.
I think black people are more likely to be caught, arrested, charged and convicted than whites, all else being equal. All else isn’t equal, either.
Yes, a crooked black congressmen will take a cash bribe, wrap it in tin foil, and store it in his freezer. A crooked ex-president and his wife know enough to have the bribe laundered through speaking fees and donations to their family charity.
You sound like you might benefit from CBT. Apologies for no trigger warnings.
PS I can't be mad at a country I vacation in :D
Besides, war is war. It creates heroes for both sides, as the American Southerners prove. There is no honor in infiltration and subversion.
Ordinary people are overly optimistic, self-serving bias, they think their baby is the next Einstein etc etc. In fact depressive persons are not pessimists, just not optimistic at the average/adaptive level, hence more realist. See for example Depressive realism
Well, I was speaking rhetorically. I mentioned that I’m not really pissed at anyone except the Communists, but history is history and the fact that someone is using it for grievance mongering to extract concessions and rents from somebody else or to justify violence, among others, is troubling. I was merely pointing out that Europe can find its own things to be upset about and that two can and, maybe, should play at this game.
PS I can’t be mad at a country I vacation in 😀
Besides, war is war. It creates heroes for both sides, as the American Southerners prove. There is no honor in infiltration and subversion.
Pinker has a great deal of personal charm. When you watch his lectures and interviews on YouTube, you can’t help but be struck by his pleasant, friendly demeanor. It would be difficult to paint him as a “hater” or ideological enemy. Also, he often leads the listener right up to the edge of crimethink without stepping over the line, and that seems to work amazingly well on liberals. If you don’t spell it out for them, they remain comfortable in their illusions.
A similar type is Nicholas Wade. Though he presents material totally at odds with their worldview, he never seemed to represent a threat to them. Look at the lengthy career enjoyed at the NY Times! No doubt his soft-spoken, non-confrontational manner worked in his favor. Evidently, A Troublesome Inheritance was one step over the line, though.
Pinker also chooses his battles carefully. He has never really endorsed HBD as we understand it, for example, except for sex-based cognitive differences and those are supposed to hold for all races, and he has said on record that he doesn’t believe the evidence really supports innate racial differences in IQ. So by not endorsing HBD he is at least free to treat HBD ideas fairly and not demonize hardcore HBD researchers like Richard Lynn.
He also holds conventionally progressive views on social issues, and has a Whiggish, progressive view of history that endears him to many mainstream thinkers on both right and left. In contrast to the doomsaying of neoreactionaries, Pinker believes our society is becoming less violent and more enlightened, for example. His history of the decline in violence portrays the Age of Faith as an age of darkness and ignorance and refuses to give Christianity any credit for the decline, which also makes him popular among right-thinking people.
All this being said, Pinker has never been without his critics, and I have come across dark mutterings about Pinker’s sexism and even racism on the internet. But as I said, since he is very careful in what aspects of evolutionary psychology he endorses in public, he is relatively free to say what he wants. However, as you point out, it also helps that he’s brilliant and a gifted speaker.
I think black people are more likely to be caught, arrested, charged and convicted than whites, all else being equal.
Yes, a crooked black congressmen will take a cash bribe, wrap it in tin foil, and store it in his freezer. A crooked ex-president and his wife know enough to have the bribe laundered through speaking fees and donations to their family charity.
Whose hand is on the steering wheel, son?
I can only speak to the three money-pit BMWs my girlfriend has owned during the same time I’ve been driving my no-stress, 205K-miles-on-the-odometer Land Cruiser.
Status whores pay a premium.
But you’re missing my point: the Asian kids are substantially boosting the GPAs as well as the test scores. The American kids would be OK without the competition, but striving to get into a Tier 1 school is now that much harder.
There is a difference between customer satisfaction and automotive engineering. I believe more advances such as the duel clutch transmission have come out of Germany than Japan. Of course much of this might be related to Formula One racing where Europeans have a bigger footprint than the Japanese.
It is very easy to make cars that don’t break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission
What's so great about having to fight with the clutch?
It is very easy to make cars that don't break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmissionReplies: @Steve Sailer, @IBC, @Ozymandias, @Reg Cæsar
German cars today are reminiscent of German tanks, warplanes, and missiles during WWII: they tend to push the technological envelope more than anybody else’s, but maybe at the expense of reliability and mass producibility.
Why not? Jewish majority vote elected Bernie?
The Jewish vote is marginal, and typically a euphemism for Jewish Money.
(If Jews with political aspirations can’t get elected where you live, they should try Wisconsin.)
This. See, the problem with a wealthy country is that it’s prohibitively expensive to play Downton Abbey, lord of the harim, etc. But being wealthy in a poor country? That’s where the indentured servitude, cheap prostitution, and hordes of desperate people willing to do anything for a nickel come into play; neo-Manorialism.
Yep. Feature, not bug, of course. Those pesky middle-class types are far too uppity. Impossible to get them to do anything for a nickel.
Well, media dominance shows they’re certainly nepotistic. So does the fact that they throw resumes without Jewish names on them into the trash.
It is very easy to make cars that don't break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmissionReplies: @Steve Sailer, @IBC, @Ozymandias, @Reg Cæsar
But from that Wikipedia link, note that the dual-clutch transmission was invented in France and its first automotive use was in Britain.
Common rail fuel injection, which has revolutionized diesel cars; was invented in Switzerland, first introduced in Japan, significantly improved in Italy, and then the rights to it were purchased by Bosch in Germany and they refined it and turned it into a huge success.
Electronic fuel injection, which is now ubiquitous in gasoline-powered cars, was first introduced in race cars in Italy, was developed and first introduced for production car use in the USA; and then, after some problems were encountered, the rights were also sold to Bosch, who stuck with it and made the technology successful.
There’ve been lots of automotive firsts in Germany beyond the invention of the car itself. But some autobahn-enthusiasts underestimate just how international automotive engineering and development is and was. If anything, the success of companies like Bosch demonstrates the wisdom of sticking with an idea until it bears real fruit, whether its roots are homegrown or not. Of course, a business has to have enough money or access to credit to do this.
I agree that the technology in Formula One cars (of which Honda is an engine supplier) is impressive, but I’d say that making consistently-competitive yet profitable mass market cars for picky customers is actually a greater feat and certainly there are higher entry barriers for new competitors. Just look at all the trouble Tata, the giant Indian “zaibatsu” has had with its heralded Nano microcar.
The Puritan influence lives on in the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Renaissance_theatre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globe_TheatreReplies: @David R. Merridale
Not to pick on Tacitus2015, but, really, every even half-educated person in the Anglosphere ought to know at least that much about the Puritan Revolution. It’s on par with knowing that Henry VIII had six wives.
Isn’t this middle school or high school history?
It is very easy to make cars that don't break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmissionReplies: @Steve Sailer, @IBC, @Ozymandias, @Reg Cæsar
“I believe more advances such as the duel clutch transmission have come out of Germany than Japan.”
What’s so great about having to fight with the clutch?
Ashkenazi Jews are White.
And Christian Arabs are usually counted as White (cf Danny Thomas, Steve Jobs, etc)
Depends on what you mean by 'as usual.'
If India continues as usual then it will forever remain a backwards, corrupt, disease-ridden dump riven by caste and other diversity conflicts. Out of 1.3 billion people you can find some who have talent! Whoopeee!
East Asia is an example of genuine success, but an entirely different place from the West. That part of the world would go on just fine, although as the only developed countries left, they would be a very small proportion of the world's population, especially considering that they are already shrinking.
Other than that you have a (relative) handful of high IQ Jews in Israel (good for them - they're not precariously positioned at all...) and a minority of Arabs...great, how's that working out for Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Saudi Arabia?
I bet they'd get along with each other just fine!!!
Anyway, the problems of dysgenics in the modern world apply globally and so too will the pain. It is just more accute in the West where dysgenics often means 'population replacement' as well.
..and if you think blokes here 'carp' about feminism, just take a glance at how, say, Arabs react to feminism - headchopping, ISIS and jihad!
...or Jews with their ultra-orthodox communities, entirely shut off to the world, inbred and unachieving - aka the demographic future of Israel.
You're lucky that people here just 'carp.'
No, you're optimistic about the future of the world with no white people, because there are a few rich Indians (while most of them live in desperate poverty.)Replies: @Anonymous, @casey
“You’re lucky that people here just ‘carp.’”
Just carp=blaming the decline of Western civilization on feminists, advising marrying out to another race, advising marry down to a simple girl who wants to serve a family only (i.e. probably lower IQ), making it uncomfortable for an intelligent woman to even be on this website (especially a feminist) so your point of view never widens or changes or adapts to the modern world…ok
So much of the angst over feminism goes against your own goals, and supposed HBD awareness. The stubborn refusal to adapt to feminism, which we all know is not going to reverse, is part of the problem. Why not embrace feminism- encourage men to marry equal IQ, to spend more time with their kids (good thing, right?) promote parental leave for both parents, don’t punish women for taking time off for bearing children, encourage young men to marry early, which in my experience women still want to do more than men, and participate much more in childcare.
The economy is terrible for encouraging families, and encouraging people to get married young. It’s pretty horrible to lay all the blame on “feminists” -who makes this website possible?? A working woman. Seriously this website would improve dramatically if the scapegoating came to a halt, I say the same thing to social justice warriors who blame all the evil in the world on white people, and who (ironically?) have also recently zeroed in on “white feminists” as the root of all evil. Unbelievable. It’s lazy, unproductive and frankly rather primitive thinking.
Outbreeding the competition, are you?
It is very easy to make cars that don't break down and have all the creature comforts people want. However, making a car that can also perform on the Autobahn takes a whole different level of engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmissionReplies: @Steve Sailer, @IBC, @Ozymandias, @Reg Cæsar
Unless you’re Dilbert, Wally, or Bill Gates, isn’t customer satisfaction the whole point of engineering?
If Ashkenazi Jews are white, so are Arabs.
It’s just a low priority, IMO. I don’t really care what they do with their money. I suppose it can’t hurt. Best use for it would be to trade it away in negotiations to get a bill passed. On the other hand, it would be nice to offset the socialized costs of criminal aliens. But I’d rather end those expenditures altogether.
Ashkenazi Jews are roughly 50:50 admixture of Southern European and Middle Eastern, with the latter component reflecting the genetics of the Middle East before the Islamic conquest (i.e. much less sub-Saharan admixture). A Christian Lebanese like Danny Thomas would have similar genetic background to the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry but wouldn’t have the European ancestry. Lebanese Muslims would have more south Arab admixture, which would carry more sub-Saharan with it. Peninsular Arabs are south Arabs, differentiable from Levantines, and have more sub-Saharan admixture than Muslim Levantines.
“A Christian Lebanese like Danny Thomas would have similar genetic background to the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry but wouldn’t have the European ancestry.”
He might have some European ancestry from Greek-Roman times or from the Crusaders or from the Ottoman expansion into southeast Europe or from some other route. And Europeans have fairly recent ancestral ties to the Near East, such as Phoenician expansion as far as Spain, and the Etruscan migration from Turkey to Tuscany, not to mention the likely expansion of Anatolian farmers into Europe in the early days of agriculture.
“Ashkenazi Jews are roughly 50:50 admixture of Southern European and Middle Eastern, with the latter component reflecting the genetics of the Middle East before the Islamic conquest (i.e. much less sub-Saharan admixture). A Christian Lebanese like Danny Thomas would have similar genetic background to the Middle Eastern component of Ashkenazi ancestry but wouldn’t have the European ancestry. Lebanese Muslims would have more south Arab admixture, which would carry more sub-Saharan with it. Peninsular Arabs are south Arabs, differentiable from Levantines, and have more sub-Saharan admixture than Muslim Levantines.”
Osama Bin Laden is definitely an example of a Muslim Arab with Sub Saharan African admixture. His facial features look very similar to that of Scottie Pippen. His famous celebrity doppelganger is a Black man and not a White man.
Or Scottie Pippen has some Arab or Native American in him. When I met Mayor Tom Bradley of L.A. in 1981, I was struck by how much his facial features resembled Anwar Sadat’s.
Indeed, the situation is at least as complicated as you describe. Regarding the the Ashkenazi admixture assessment, it is based on state of the art high coverage full genome sequencing with comparison to reference populations. One thing Cochrna mentions is that the choice of a Northern European reference population (Flemish) probably underestimates European admixture in Ashkenazim, which is mostly (thought not entirely) Southern European. And yes, there was likely Near Eastern influence on the European population from Neolithic migration. But over 8000 to 10,000 years, that Near Eastern genetic material became somewhat differentiated from that of Near Easterners who stayed put. Before the full-genome sequencing study mentioned, a sequencing study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA was able to discern mtDNA haplotypes of Southern Euopean origin from mtDNA haplotypes of Middle Eastern origin.
“Indeed, the situation is at least as complicated as you describe. Regarding the the Ashkenazi admixture assessment, it is based on state of the art high coverage full genome sequencing with comparison to reference populations. One thing Cochrna mentions is that the choice of a Northern European reference population (Flemish) probably underestimates European admixture in Ashkenazim, which is mostly (thought not entirely) Southern European. And yes, there was likely Near Eastern influence on the European population from Neolithic migration. But over 8000 to 10,000 years, that Near Eastern genetic material became somewhat differentiated from that of Near Easterners who stayed put. Before the full-genome sequencing study mentioned, a sequencing study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA was able to discern mtDNA haplotypes of Southern Euopean origin from mtDNA haplotypes of Middle Eastern origin.”
I am Italian and I tested 6 percent Ashkenazi according to 23AndMe. 6 percent is high enough not to be considered statistical noise.
Just carp=blaming the decline of Western civilization on feminists, advising marrying out to another race, advising marry down to a simple girl who wants to serve a family only (i.e. probably lower IQ), making it uncomfortable for an intelligent woman to even be on this website (especially a feminist) so your point of view never widens or changes or adapts to the modern world...ok
So much of the angst over feminism goes against your own goals, and supposed HBD awareness. The stubborn refusal to adapt to feminism, which we all know is not going to reverse, is part of the problem. Why not embrace feminism- encourage men to marry equal IQ, to spend more time with their kids (good thing, right?) promote parental leave for both parents, don't punish women for taking time off for bearing children, encourage young men to marry early, which in my experience women still want to do more than men, and participate much more in childcare.
The economy is terrible for encouraging families, and encouraging people to get married young. It's pretty horrible to lay all the blame on "feminists" -who makes this website possible?? A working woman. Seriously this website would improve dramatically if the scapegoating came to a halt, I say the same thing to social justice warriors who blame all the evil in the world on white people, and who (ironically?) have also recently zeroed in on "white feminists" as the root of all evil. Unbelievable. It's lazy, unproductive and frankly rather primitive thinking.Replies: @Ozymandias
“The stubborn refusal to adapt to feminism, which we all know is not going to reverse, is part of the problem.”
Outbreeding the competition, are you?
I would guess it’s the shared Neolithic farmer ancestry that’s being picked up. Either that or you have a distant Jewish ancestor.
There is a very significant strain of Social Darwanism running through conservatives or people who call themselves that because they think conservatism and business are one and the same. They blame the working poor for their own condition - too lazy, didn't study, aren't this or aren't that without realizing how that part of the social strata has been destroyed by pro-business policies. They are also oblivious to how much it is costing society for all this dysfunction versus having people tied into the system with the golden handcuffs of a good job that supports a family and gives the impression of a self-sufficient unit. They tend to have an arrogance about themselves believing that they are so superior that they will always be employed no matter what. You see this a lot in tech and they are usually the most shocked when the H-1Bs come in and they go out the door.Replies: @AndrewR
Blaming the poor for their poverty has a very long and prominent history in the US