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From Haaretz:

Why America Has a Trump and Israel Doesn’t

The Donald appeals to the American underclass that’s been ignored. In Israel, those with grievances are the middle class and they prefer more respectable protest candidates.

David Rosenberg Mar 15, 2016 10:38 AM

… Some say Netanyahu is Israel’s Trump.

Like me

Just like The Donald, Bibi’s been accused of appealing to the voters’ baser instincts, particularly their racist ones. Just like Trump, he is at once part of the establishment and loathed by it.

Trump is promising to build a wall on the Mexican border. Bibi already built one along nearly all of Israel’s borders, although he didn’t get the Arabs to pay for it.

But even if there are some similarities, Bibi isn’t Israel’s Trump. Israel doesn’t need a Trump.

Israel experienced many of the same economic upheavals America has, but not all of them. Trade liberalization killed off the Israeli textile industry, and unions are much weaker and represent a much smaller part of the workforce than three decades ago.

But that is only half the story. The Mizrahi underclass has made strides over the last decades and is closing the economic gap with the traditional Ashkenazi elite. The monopolies so loathed by the media and policy makers – the banks, Israel Electric Corporation, the ports and so on – have ensured good salaries and job security for a great many blue collar and middle class Israelis. Israel’s banks haven’t been allowed to run wild.

Unlike America, the Israeli economy has made remarkable progress over the last decade generating new jobs. More and more people are entering the labor force, especially people in the lowest income groups, and unemployment is touching record lows. Income inequality has been growing, but interestingly enough, it’s been widening between the middle and upper classes; at the lower end of the spectrum it has been narrowing. …

If there has been anybody suffering in recent years, it’s the Israeli middle class, but it expresses its displeasure in its own, well-mannered way. No bombastic Trumps for them!

 
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  1. Unlike the US, when the second Lebanon war, Israel’s only participation in the GWOT, went badly they threw in the towel after 34 days.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

    • Replies: @biz
    Israel participates in the GWOT every day. Israel has lost far more people to terrorism per capita than the US any other Western country. There is a terrorist incident almost every day.

    Also when it comes to full on war it has not just been the (second) Lebanon war as you claim. Israel has gone to war with Hamas twice. Israel is the front lines of the GWOT.

  2. Israel’s elite know that their allegiance is to the Israeli people. Immigration, foreign policy, economic policy is is determined by the idea of what’s best for Israel. This is true for the Israeli Left and Right. No need for Trump.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    True enough that Israel does not need a Trump, which is fortunate because you can't have ours. The US, on the other hand, has no need for Bibi so it would be nice if he butted out of our business. Meantime, you guys are so grown-up and independent now you don't really need our money. Pay your own bills Attend to your own politics.
  3. Gee, it must be nice to have a country governed by those who generally look out for their own people. Apparently none of us are allowed to have that though because it will lead to a new Hitler.

  4. “Well-mannered” and Jews/Israelis in the same sentence!

    • Replies: @Blobby5
    That is a contradiction extraordinaire.
  5. Israeli banks didn’t run wild? Well I’ll be.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    This probably sheds light on why the Israeli banker Stanley Fischer moved on to the Federal Reserve.
    , @27 year old
    Didn't run wild ... in Israel
    , @TWS
    Ticks don't bite other ticks.
  6. Israel had its moment of fiscal lunacy in the 1980s, the crazy inflation years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Israel_Economic_Stabilization_Plan

    The long-term reaction to that has been “Never Again!”. The Bank of Israel and the Ministry of Finance are now run very conservatively by an entrenched technocratic bureaucracy.

    • Agree: International Jew
  7. @gruff
    Israeli banks didn't run wild? Well I'll be.

    This probably sheds light on why the Israeli banker Stanley Fischer moved on to the Federal Reserve.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    Fischer was an American decades before he moved to Israel.
  8. BTW, I am less optimistic about home prices than the author. Very non-Haaretzy article, this.

  9. @gruff
    Israeli banks didn't run wild? Well I'll be.

    Didn’t run wild … in Israel

    • Replies: @Nachum
    Israeli banks are, as you might expect for a small country, kind of small-time players in the global economy, even more so because they can't invest as much as American banks do.

    As any Israeli who has to pay ridiculous fees on every single transaction can tell you.
  10. @gruff
    Israeli banks didn't run wild? Well I'll be.

    Ticks don’t bite other ticks.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Madoff put paid to that particular custom.
  11. So it’s okay to be a nationalist in Israel. Patriotic even. Here you’re just a dangerous home-grown bigot who should be watched for signs of terrorism. Seems really fair considering who leads the charge against American nationalists.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    TWS, the types of Jews who you're alleging "lead" that charge (let's spell it out, please) are generally not the types who approve of Israel at all. At least they're consistent, but they can hardly be called "Jewish."
  12. … Some say Netanyahu is Israel’s Trump.

    Like me

    If הארץ (Haaretz) were Wikipedia (ויקיפדיה), you could insert a snarky little “(who?)” after “Some…”

  13. Better immigration laws in the US previously?

  14. @TWS
    So it's okay to be a nationalist in Israel. Patriotic even. Here you're just a dangerous home-grown bigot who should be watched for signs of terrorism. Seems really fair considering who leads the charge against American nationalists.

    TWS, the types of Jews who you’re alleging “lead” that charge (let’s spell it out, please) are generally not the types who approve of Israel at all. At least they’re consistent, but they can hardly be called “Jewish.”

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    There is not a jew on the left or right of any note in this country that disapproves of israel or argues it shouldn't exist. I don't think even Chomsky argues that israel shouldn't exist. And most of the mainstream jewish liberals wouldn't think of criticizing israeli immigration, marriage or citizenship laws--three of the key levers protecting israel's jewishness, along with its walled and well-armed borders. Yet when an American suggests a fraction of what is uncontroversial (on left or right) israeli policy, these same people freak out.
  15. @27 year old
    Didn't run wild ... in Israel

    Israeli banks are, as you might expect for a small country, kind of small-time players in the global economy, even more so because they can’t invest as much as American banks do.

    As any Israeli who has to pay ridiculous fees on every single transaction can tell you.

  16. @advancedatheist
    This probably sheds light on why the Israeli banker Stanley Fischer moved on to the Federal Reserve.

    Fischer was an American decades before he moved to Israel.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Not to me.
  17. And of course it doesn’t hurt when all your assault rifles are supplied FREE courtesy of the US taxpayer. In the beginning, the USA gave them FREE M16 rifles. Replace all those expensive Israeli made Galil assault rifles. Being astute businessmen, they wanted the Tavor assault rifle, designed and built in Israel to their military specification. Does the USA make guns so Israel can get them FREE? No. So, build a factory, IWI US, to make them for the ostensible US firearms market, make a few US bucks, and now get Israeli-designed weapons FREE courtesy of you and me, the poor US TAXPAYER.

  18. Unlike America, the Israeli economy has made remarkable progress over the last decade generating new jobs. More and more

    So I suppose we can expect an end to the $3 billion annual stipend?

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    BWAHAHAHA, that's a good one! I laugh only so I won't cry. Israel's welfare haul is actually going to increase again.
  19. Bibi got Americans to pay for Israel’s wall (among other things).

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The writer is a longtime apologist of Jewish Apartheid and of Netanyahu in particular.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.704070

    Also, if he thinks there are no Trumps, then who is Naftali Bennett? Things get even crazier than that if you look at some of more extreme people in the Knesset, and there’s a shit ton of them.

    As usual, zero self-reflection/insight from Israel.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Avigdor Lieberman.
  21. Bibi made the Arabs provide the land for most of the walls.

  22. @iSteveFan

    Unlike America, the Israeli economy has made remarkable progress over the last decade generating new jobs. More and more
     
    So I suppose we can expect an end to the $3 billion annual stipend?

    BWAHAHAHA, that’s a good one! I laugh only so I won’t cry. Israel’s welfare haul is actually going to increase again.

  23. @george
    Unlike the US, when the second Lebanon war, Israel's only participation in the GWOT, went badly they threw in the towel after 34 days.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

    Israel participates in the GWOT every day. Israel has lost far more people to terrorism per capita than the US any other Western country. There is a terrorist incident almost every day.

    Also when it comes to full on war it has not just been the (second) Lebanon war as you claim. Israel has gone to war with Hamas twice. Israel is the front lines of the GWOT.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    There is no GWOT. There are only distributed, disaffected Muslims. The solution is, as Steve has suggested, separation.

    In Israel's case, given the rash of stabbing attacks in Israel proper, that may eventually require expelling some Israeli Arabs. I wouldn't be surprised if they started, say, expelling the immediate families of stabbers.
  24. although he didn’t get the Arabs to pay for it

    No, he got the Americans to pay for it…

  25. Israel does not need Trump because their Parliament is 2/3 Trumps. Every politician in the center/right in Israel speaks and acts exactly like Trump. 2/3 of the people of Israel speak exactly like Trump. There was no controversy over Israel building a wall to stop illegal infiltrators for example (a brilliant phrase we should imitate) – except at Haaretz which is a left wing rag, ignored in Israel itself, although always quoted by the foreign press.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    In Israel, even the left-wing political parties support Trump-style immigration policies. Just with a slightly milder tone.
  26. The little that Haaretz writers know about America (and Trump in particular) they know from reading the New York Times. Hence the cluelessness of articles like this.

  27. 1970 treatise “Exit, Voice, and Loyalty: Responses to Decline in Firms, Organi[s]ations, and States” by Albert O. Hirschman, in which the author stated the following economic conjecture: When any particular form of human system culturally designed to offer a service (a business, charity, government, country, state, school, etc.) experiences a decrease in quality, they have two options for freedom; either Exit or Voice. Put simply, Exit is the attempt to withdraw completely from the relationship provided with the aim of joining or starting up another, whereas Voice gives the customer the right to reform the existing relationship through protest and complaint.

    If there has been anybody suffering in recent years, it’s the Israeli middle class, but it expresses its displeasure in its own, well-mannered way. No bombastic Trumps for them!

    They exit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olim_L%27Berlin

  28. “Some say.”

    Steve Sailer, thanks for the out-loud coffee-wasting laugh of the week.

    OTOH, I’ve suspected somebody at Haaretz was reading here. Now they’ve actually wolf-whistled it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I am sure a lot of people in Israel have noticed that Trump sounds like an Israeli politician.
  29. @Olorin
    "Some say."

    Steve Sailer, thanks for the out-loud coffee-wasting laugh of the week.

    OTOH, I've suspected somebody at Haaretz was reading here. Now they've actually wolf-whistled it.

    I am sure a lot of people in Israel have noticed that Trump sounds like an Israeli politician.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Trump has the sort of persona and style that Middle Eastern Jews find endearing. I'm sure they also like Trump's Muslim ban.

    I'm sure a lot of Persian Jews in LA will be voting for Trump. As will Glendale Armenians. He'll probably pick up a lot of votes in Brighton Beach too.
  30. It’s fascinating how they keep insisting that Trump is the candidate of skinhead losers who cook meth to make ends meet. The data says the exact opposite. Trump is the most broad-based candidate running. But, the people in charge feel they can scare the middle class by insisting the Trump is white trash.

    I posted today about how this same gag is being run on AfD in Germany. The media there insist AfD is Pegida, when the data says there’s not much overlap. The point is to shape people into voting against their interests. This has worked for so long I guess they assume it work forever, but eventually people become immune to the Hitler ploy.

  31. @Marcus
    "Well-mannered" and Jews/Israelis in the same sentence!

    That is a contradiction extraordinaire.

  32. Anyone who doesn’t vote Trump is a despicable anti-Semetic racist Nahrtsee. Bibi & DT – Build-A-Big-Wall-Bros.

  33. Israel has no Trump only perhaps in the sense no Israeli political leader has been a billionaire celebrity but that is because the more bombastic remarks of Israeli politicians are usually spoken in Hebrew and not reported by the NYT or CNN. Ariel Sharon and Menachem Begin were pretty blunt in their opinions about Arabs who, by the way, are not unlike America’s Mexicans except they are truly second class citizens.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    The mayor of Jerusalem is a fairly right-wing billionaire celebrity. Also takes down terrorists with his bare hands on occasion.
  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi
    Israel's elite know that their allegiance is to the Israeli people. Immigration, foreign policy, economic policy is is determined by the idea of what's best for Israel. This is true for the Israeli Left and Right. No need for Trump.

    True enough that Israel does not need a Trump, which is fortunate because you can’t have ours. The US, on the other hand, has no need for Bibi so it would be nice if he butted out of our business. Meantime, you guys are so grown-up and independent now you don’t really need our money. Pay your own bills Attend to your own politics.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Netanyahu's father lived in the US for a while -- any chance he had American citizenship? If so, Netanyahu has the same claim to being "natural born" as Cruz; if so, he may be mooted as a candidate for a broken convention by, say, Jennifer Rubin.
  35. @Nachum
    TWS, the types of Jews who you're alleging "lead" that charge (let's spell it out, please) are generally not the types who approve of Israel at all. At least they're consistent, but they can hardly be called "Jewish."

    There is not a jew on the left or right of any note in this country that disapproves of israel or argues it shouldn’t exist. I don’t think even Chomsky argues that israel shouldn’t exist. And most of the mainstream jewish liberals wouldn’t think of criticizing israeli immigration, marriage or citizenship laws–three of the key levers protecting israel’s jewishness, along with its walled and well-armed borders. Yet when an American suggests a fraction of what is uncontroversial (on left or right) israeli policy, these same people freak out.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    "Shouldn't exist" is kind of a low bar. But even so, there are lots of American Jews who definitely feel that Israel was a bad idea at least, and even think it should disappear. Many more (and some even in Israel) criticize the other three policies. To assume that Jews are so uniformly pro-Israel (if only it were true!) is to be blind to some very obvious facts.
  36. It’s telling that an Israeli newspaper writer can make comparisons of this sort between Israel (with 8 million people) and the United States (with 320 million) without feeling silly.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    I am sure a lot of people in Israel have noticed that Trump sounds like an Israeli politician.

    Trump has the sort of persona and style that Middle Eastern Jews find endearing. I’m sure they also like Trump’s Muslim ban.

    I’m sure a lot of Persian Jews in LA will be voting for Trump. As will Glendale Armenians. He’ll probably pick up a lot of votes in Brighton Beach too.

  38. @Cwhatfuture
    Israel does not need Trump because their Parliament is 2/3 Trumps. Every politician in the center/right in Israel speaks and acts exactly like Trump. 2/3 of the people of Israel speak exactly like Trump. There was no controversy over Israel building a wall to stop illegal infiltrators for example (a brilliant phrase we should imitate) - except at Haaretz which is a left wing rag, ignored in Israel itself, although always quoted by the foreign press.

    In Israel, even the left-wing political parties support Trump-style immigration policies. Just with a slightly milder tone.

  39. @biz
    Israel participates in the GWOT every day. Israel has lost far more people to terrorism per capita than the US any other Western country. There is a terrorist incident almost every day.

    Also when it comes to full on war it has not just been the (second) Lebanon war as you claim. Israel has gone to war with Hamas twice. Israel is the front lines of the GWOT.

    There is no GWOT. There are only distributed, disaffected Muslims. The solution is, as Steve has suggested, separation.

    In Israel’s case, given the rash of stabbing attacks in Israel proper, that may eventually require expelling some Israeli Arabs. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started, say, expelling the immediate families of stabbers.

  40. @Anonymous
    The writer is a longtime apologist of Jewish Apartheid and of Netanyahu in particular.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.704070

    Also, if he thinks there are no Trumps, then who is Naftali Bennett? Things get even crazier than that if you look at some of more extreme people in the Knesset, and there's a shit ton of them.

    As usual, zero self-reflection/insight from Israel.

    Avigdor Lieberman.

  41. @Anonymous
    True enough that Israel does not need a Trump, which is fortunate because you can't have ours. The US, on the other hand, has no need for Bibi so it would be nice if he butted out of our business. Meantime, you guys are so grown-up and independent now you don't really need our money. Pay your own bills Attend to your own politics.

    Netanyahu’s father lived in the US for a while — any chance he had American citizenship? If so, Netanyahu has the same claim to being “natural born” as Cruz; if so, he may be mooted as a candidate for a broken convention by, say, Jennifer Rubin.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Meant to type "brokered" convention there.
  42. @Dave Pinsen
    Netanyahu's father lived in the US for a while -- any chance he had American citizenship? If so, Netanyahu has the same claim to being "natural born" as Cruz; if so, he may be mooted as a candidate for a broken convention by, say, Jennifer Rubin.

    Meant to type “brokered” convention there.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    You were right the first time, Dave!
  43. @Malcolm X-Lax
    There is not a jew on the left or right of any note in this country that disapproves of israel or argues it shouldn't exist. I don't think even Chomsky argues that israel shouldn't exist. And most of the mainstream jewish liberals wouldn't think of criticizing israeli immigration, marriage or citizenship laws--three of the key levers protecting israel's jewishness, along with its walled and well-armed borders. Yet when an American suggests a fraction of what is uncontroversial (on left or right) israeli policy, these same people freak out.

    “Shouldn’t exist” is kind of a low bar. But even so, there are lots of American Jews who definitely feel that Israel was a bad idea at least, and even think it should disappear. Many more (and some even in Israel) criticize the other three policies. To assume that Jews are so uniformly pro-Israel (if only it were true!) is to be blind to some very obvious facts.

  44. @unit472
    Israel has no Trump only perhaps in the sense no Israeli political leader has been a billionaire celebrity but that is because the more bombastic remarks of Israeli politicians are usually spoken in Hebrew and not reported by the NYT or CNN. Ariel Sharon and Menachem Begin were pretty blunt in their opinions about Arabs who, by the way, are not unlike America's Mexicans except they are truly second class citizens.

    The mayor of Jerusalem is a fairly right-wing billionaire celebrity. Also takes down terrorists with his bare hands on occasion.

  45. http://www.timesofisrael.com/student-activists-aipac-wont-let-us-protest-trump/
    “Student activists: AIPAC won’t let us protest Trump”

    File under headlines that don’t compute in the Unziverse,

  46. @TWS
    Ticks don't bite other ticks.

    Madoff put paid to that particular custom.

  47. @Nachum
    Fischer was an American decades before he moved to Israel.

    Not to me.

  48. @Dave Pinsen
    Meant to type "brokered" convention there.

    You were right the first time, Dave!

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