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From the San Jose Mercury News:
H-1B visas: How the Trump administration is ‘freaking people out’
By QUEENIE WONG | [email protected] | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: February 20, 2018 at 6:00 amThe Trump administration is bringing a new level of scrutiny to a temporary work visa popular among technology firms, costing employers more time and money as they seek to bring foreign workers to the United States.
From January to August 2017, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services sent 85,265 requests for evidence in response to H-1B visa applications, a 45 percent increase compared to the same period a year earlier, agency data show. Immigration lawyers say these requests — made when an application is missing required documents or the agency determines it needs more proof to decide if a worker is eligible for the visa — could even discourage companies and individuals from seeking an H-1B visa in the first place.
“It’s the most nonvisible and yet hugely impactful way to reach people, and it’s freaking people out,” said Cynthia Lange, managing partner for the Northern California practice of Fragomen, an international immigration law firm that works with some of the world’s largest tech firms.
But administration officials say the scrutiny is needed to ensure the integrity of the controversial visa program, which critics say has cost American jobs.
Overall, about 27 percent of all H-1B visa applications USCIS received in the first eight months of 2017 got a request for evidence.
For the same eight-month period of the prior year, under the Obama administration, about 19 percent of all H-1B visa applications USCIS received got a request for evidence. …
So, 73% of H-1B visas still aren’t adequately vetted.
Answering requests for evidence increases the time employers spend on H-1B applications and legal costs for attorneys’ guidance in obtaining and submitting the additional information.
The increased scrutiny of H-1B visa applications could make some companies — especially small businesses with tighter budgets — think twice about hiring foreign workers.
But, at least it’s a start.
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“costing employers more time and money”
The horror ! The horror !
(the article doesn’t seem to mention what it costs the American IT workers who would otherwise be employed, but who ever cared about them?)
How can a small business with a tight budget afford to go through all the time and paperwork involved in hiring foreign workers? Small businesses need easy to hire workers who can hit the ground running. The only way hiring foreign workers would make sense for a small business is if they’re trying to bring in relatives to work for a family firm, or they want to pay them a lower rate than native workers are prepared to work for.
I vote for Cynthia Lange being replaced by an H-1b worker who is literate enough in the English language to refrain from using atrocities like “impactful”.
Newspapers have been rotting on people's front lawns, so it's high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.Replies: @Barnard, @International Jew, @ScarletNumber, @ScarletNumber
Freaking people out is a good thing.
Fragomen, an international immigration law firm that works with some of the world’s largest tech firms.
Amazing that there are entire large companies with the sole purpose of destroying the social fabric of America, and to make millions doing so.
Overall, about 27 percent of all H-1B visa applications USCIS received in the first eight months of 2017 got a request for evidence.
Oh well then, I can see the need for the moral panic. How dare we actually inspect almost 30% of these visas!
This is where Trump really cheeses me off. He could shut this down with a pen stroke, but we get nothing.
This clip is 4 minutes long and will give you an idea of the deceptive practices they use to justify the need to hire foreigners when Americans exist who would work the job.
PS. This will anger you.Replies: @Mr. Anon
“Freaking people out” is the new “Law and order”.
“Scrutiny” will become the new left buzz word. Scrutiny = “Show us your papers.” = Nazi Speak.
OT, two stories
Rotherham was even worse than reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/20/rotherham-sexual-abuse-victims-rises-to-1510-operation-stovewood
And this story … well. Scale up from individual home to national home, some might say this is a sort of allegory. Lodger moves in, all very nice at first, starts changing a few things and making you feel a bit uncomfortable, things deteriorate, end game is being told “this isn’t your house anymore”.
https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/jamison-bachman-worst-roommate-ever.html
You’ve got my vote, Alfa, for the new J-1B visa, implemented to support America’s sagging journalism industry. We should have plenty of support from journalist employers, such as the US Feral Government and the Deep State.
Newspapers have been rotting on people’s front lawns, so it’s high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.
That’s Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen & Loewy, LLP to you, buddy! Started life as Elmer Fried P.C. in 1951 in NYC.
This blurb is from their history on their web site:
So, they grew out of being a respected firm into a global threat.
FI’m not sure the lack of requests for evidence means these aren’t being adequately vetted. HR divisions at larger companies know the documentation requirenents thoroughly. They don’t look particularly onerous i.e. the job requires a graduate with relevant work experience and degree to perform it, the employee is a graduate and has the required work experience, the employee will be working as a employee and not a freelance contractor. Easy enough to prove.
The irony in the cntrl-left calling others Nazi’s is epic: “Papiere, bitte!, continued here and here.
Seconded. I’m dismayed to see that a law firm managing partner (o.k., of a law firm’s branch office, but still…) manages to mangle the English language so badly in a single sentence. “Nonvisible”? “Hugely impactful?” “Freaking people out”? No male lawyer would speak like that. Another baleful consequence of letting women into the professions.
Newspapers have been rotting on people's front lawns, so it's high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.Replies: @Barnard, @International Jew, @ScarletNumber, @ScarletNumber
She isn’t the journalist, Lange works for Fragomen, the immigration law firm representing Big Tech. I would be in favor of replacing reporter Queenie Wong with an H1-B worker as well.
I saw a chart recently that showed Microsoft and Amazon taking about 3000 H-1Bs each in the most recent year. That's chump change compared to the 20,000 or so that Wipro and Tata take each. I bet Trump the dealmaker could come up with something so that our true blue-chip tech companies can get limited numbers of truly outstanding people and the lepers at the body shops will get zero. An auction would be one way, a minimum wage of something like 3X median overall wages - $150K or so - would be another.
There, I fixed it.
Also, the byline: “Queenie Wong”? I call shenanigans. Wasn’t she a supporting character in What’s Up, Tiger Lily?
So it sounds like she is no longer employed. Maybe she can get a management level position with one of the tech companies and put those analytical thinking skills to good use.
Public viewing of H1-B replacers: Look for the knot of smokers on various sidewalks, seemingly at any hour of the so-called work day.
According to her Twitter profile: Journalist in transition, analytical thinker, bibliophile and left-hander. Covered social media businesses for @mercnews.
So it sounds like she is no longer employed. Maybe she can get a management level position with one of the tech companies and put those analytical thinking skills to good use.
In other words, those smaller tech firms don’t have a viable business model without the govt indirectly subsidizing their racketeering….
My experience is that H-1B employees are not remarkable. They’re neither superior nor inferior to non-H-1B employees but simply cheaper.
Diversity in the tech workplace: 80% of the workforce from India. Usually from the same body shop.
Abolish the program.
That said, the WN loser narrative is that H1-B's are of dramatically inferior quality (yet are somehow still taking away *their* jobs). This is not true either, and is really just the Dunning-Kruger manifestation of WN inadequacy.
Abolish the program in one fell swoop.Replies: @jbwilson24, @Mr. Anon
Speaking of foreign workers, Peterike’s Law strikes at Ford North America.
Ford announced late Wednesday that Raj Nair, an executive vice president and the president of Ford North America, would be leaving “effective immediately” due to unspecified reports of “inappropriate behavior.”
Yup. Good old ‘Murcan company Ford, has an EVP named Raj Nair. Ain’t life grand?
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
https://news.kettering.edu/news/kettering-university-graduate-raj-nair-helping-ford-plan-future-automobile-industryReplies: @peterike, @3g4me
Understand your sentiment, but unfortunately there are plenty of younger metrosexual “male” lawyers who talk that way too, here in L.A. and elsewhere.
Even the practice of “up-talking” — i.e. making a statement sound like a question for no reason whatsoever — is found among “males”, lawyers and otherwise, in the generation after mine. These “men” sound like 12-year-old girls.
Jokes on you flyover staters, without H1-B visas you won’t find decent sushi chefs outside of a few coastal cities. Have fun in your Hoosier Wakanda.
Am I missing something? Why would immigration attorneys complain about bigger billing opportunities?
So, 73% of H-1B visas still aren’t adequately vetted.
It is just coincidental but amusing to note that 73% is pretty close to the foreign born portion of STEM workers in Silicon Valley.
Newspapers have been rotting on people's front lawns, so it's high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.Replies: @Barnard, @International Jew, @ScarletNumber, @ScarletNumber
That’s grammarist! I want every immigration-enthusiast newspaper, government office and law firm to hire lots of people who can’t write or speak clear English, who think tense, indicative/conditional and noun-verb agreement aren’t important. So their American colleagues can appreciate what it’s like to work in software nowadays. Or to try getting help from any telephone “customer service”.
So their American colleagues can appreciate what it’s like to work in software nowadays.
or:
Or to try getting help from any telephone “customer service”
Haha! Gotcha!
Am I a grammarist? Not hardly. <--- See what I mean; now you got me doing it!
Cheaper and a lot Dot-Indianer.
Diversity in the tech workplace: 80% of the workforce from India. Usually from the same body shop.
Queenie Wong sounds like a gay asian porn star.
(I could not come up with anything, but that does the trick.)
Of course. That is why the entire H1-B program should be abolished altogether, while only letting in the higher-end immigrants that can qualify for an O-1.
Abolish the program.
That said, the WN loser narrative is that H1-B’s are of dramatically inferior quality (yet are somehow still taking away *their* jobs). This is not true either, and is really just the Dunning-Kruger manifestation of WN inadequacy.
Abolish the program in one fell swoop.
Says the smug south asian loser who has never worked with them.
India doesn't have single elite STEM university in the top 50 globally in any relevant discipline. China has Tsinghua, Japan has Tokyo, Singapore has NUS, Hong Kong has HUST. What does India have, apart from legions of unibrowed peasants who can't control their birthrates?
The US state department warned its staff that Indian fraud is so pervasive that documentation cannot be trusted. We can't trust identity papers, academic diplomas, etc. We have no clue if the person stepping off the plane is even the same person who applied.
(A nice Indian fellow in Berkeley even imported sex slaves under the H1B... he was caught smuggling one out of his house, all rolled up in a rug).
Software quality is notoriously hard to gauge. It is not like painting a house, where you have instant feedback on how a person is doing. Throw a bunch of Indians onto a team and who knows when the manager will see their contributions.
In short, as a software engineer who has worked with Indians (and who is not American, btw), I see no reason to assume that they are over the median ability of a US graduate. I find them markedly inferior to the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese these days. (China has really boosted its english language training, nullifying one of the main advantages for Indians).Replies: @Thomm
Ford announced late Wednesday that Raj Nair, an executive vice president and the president of Ford North America, would be leaving "effective immediately" due to unspecified reports of "inappropriate behavior."
Yup. Good old 'Murcan company Ford, has an EVP named Raj Nair. Ain't life grand?Replies: @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
Well, if the bottom 20% of white males are like you (i.e. unqualified for ANY job), what are they to do? Apparently you would prefer if they outsourced his job to India. At least here, his taxes pay for your gibsmedats.
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.
Oh I don’t know. Hire from the other 80%? The number of Executive Vice President roles across all American car companies is probably less than 50. And Ford has to hire an Indian? No American was available?
“Apparently you would prefer if they outsourced his job to India.”
I would prefer they gave it to an American.
“At least here, his taxes pay for your gibsmedats”
As would the taxes of an American.
“Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.”
So? Why does that mean we need to import more white collar criminals? You’re an idiot.Replies: @Thomm
What's the matter, dips**t? Can't think of enough crooked gentiles?
It mentioned this:
Ford president Raj Nair leaves over 'inappropriate behavior'
I’ve been on ranting almost weekly on customer service lately. I guess in software, you’re only gonna find good grammar from the old-timey LISP guys. What I have seen the most lately, even in many articles by BIG PUNDIT types, are non-sentences … say, along the lines of:
So their American colleagues can appreciate what it’s like to work in software nowadays.
or:
Or to try getting help from any telephone “customer service”
Haha! Gotcha!
Am I a grammarist? Not hardly. <— See what I mean; now you got me doing it!
Acchmed, thank you for the link.
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
“Well, if the bottom 20% of white males are like you (i.e. unqualified for ANY job), what are they to do?”
Oh I don’t know. Hire from the other 80%? The number of Executive Vice President roles across all American car companies is probably less than 50. And Ford has to hire an Indian? No American was available?
“Apparently you would prefer if they outsourced his job to India.”
I would prefer they gave it to an American.
“At least here, his taxes pay for your gibsmedats”
As would the taxes of an American.
“Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.”
So? Why does that mean we need to import more white collar criminals? You’re an idiot.
The accusation against Raj Nair appears to be of a #MeToo nature. Everyone from Steve Sailer to Heartiste has exposed how much of a scam this is, given the omission of due process and attention-whoring by post-35 women.
Yet Peterike, as a 'male feminist', assumes the false accusation against someone is true just because the person is from a race that Peterike does not like (and is being outcompeted by).
WN is really just own-race feminism.Apparently, this person was the most qualified (which should be the only criteria). AND, he was born in St. Louis, so he IS an American by birth. I repeat, he is not an immigrant under US law and culture.
Your demand for identity politics is pathetic.
Newspapers have been rotting on people's front lawns, so it's high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.Replies: @Barnard, @International Jew, @ScarletNumber, @ScarletNumber
Unless you were trying to be funny, it is Strunk, not Skunk.
It should be easy to pick up off of youtube. You don’t even need to do any cooking, for cryin’ out loud.
LOL
(I could not come up with anything, but that does the trick.)
Thanks; at this point I can’t remember if it was a typo, lack on knowledge, or spell-correct. Yeah, spell-correct – that’s the ticket.
Thank you for reading it, Buffalo!
Big deal. Freaking out because the number of inquiries went up from 50,000 to 85,000? That’s not such a big difference, and presumably most of the extra 35,000 end up being approved anyway, since if not the story would be the poor employees leaving on a jet plane and depopulating cubicles, not the paperwork.
This is just another example of President Trump’s smoke and mirrors creating a lot of news stories, while not actually removing the 12, or is it 22?, million illegal aliens in the country.
How many illegals are here? When will they be returned to the country of their citizenship? Or better yet, when will they return of their own accord because jobs, financial accounts, and housing are made no longer available to them? Pay them money to leave, pay their countries money to take care of them, but just get them out of the country.
Newspapers have been rotting on people's front lawns, so it's high time to let in some poor, huddled, wretched refuse familiar with Skunk and White, to do the job that American journalists are just too damn stupid to do.Replies: @Barnard, @International Jew, @ScarletNumber, @ScarletNumber
I don’t know if this is common knowledge, but White’s stepson is Roger Angell.
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
If we need a better workforce, fix the one we’ve got. Importing a new people just makes things worse in the long run.
The country’s probably better off without either enterprise.
Abolish the program.
That said, the WN loser narrative is that H1-B's are of dramatically inferior quality (yet are somehow still taking away *their* jobs). This is not true either, and is really just the Dunning-Kruger manifestation of WN inadequacy.
Abolish the program in one fell swoop.Replies: @jbwilson24, @Mr. Anon
” the WN loser narrative is that H1-B’s are of dramatically inferior quality”
Says the smug south asian loser who has never worked with them.
India doesn’t have single elite STEM university in the top 50 globally in any relevant discipline. China has Tsinghua, Japan has Tokyo, Singapore has NUS, Hong Kong has HUST. What does India have, apart from legions of unibrowed peasants who can’t control their birthrates?
The US state department warned its staff that Indian fraud is so pervasive that documentation cannot be trusted. We can’t trust identity papers, academic diplomas, etc. We have no clue if the person stepping off the plane is even the same person who applied.
(A nice Indian fellow in Berkeley even imported sex slaves under the H1B… he was caught smuggling one out of his house, all rolled up in a rug).
Software quality is notoriously hard to gauge. It is not like painting a house, where you have instant feedback on how a person is doing. Throw a bunch of Indians onto a team and who knows when the manager will see their contributions.
In short, as a software engineer who has worked with Indians (and who is not American, btw), I see no reason to assume that they are over the median ability of a US graduate. I find them markedly inferior to the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese these days. (China has really boosted its english language training, nullifying one of the main advantages for Indians).
BTW, Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, and have the highest educational level. I understand that a Trashionalist like you doesn't know how to interpret data, but for others, here is the ranking. Filipinos are second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_incomeYeah, 20 years ago. Plus, debating by anecdote is THE indicator of a 70-IQ. The only people who do that are blacks and WNs like you (two groups of equal intelligence).
You just can't stand that your extremely simplistic views are false, and since you are the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect, you have your typical White Trashionalist meltdown.
heh heh heh hehReplies: @Mr. Anon
Amazing that there are entire large companies with the sole purpose of destroying the social fabric of America, and to make millions doing so. Overall, about 27 percent of all H-1B visa applications USCIS received in the first eight months of 2017 got a request for evidence.
Oh well then, I can see the need for the moral panic. How dare we actually inspect almost 30% of these visas!This is where Trump really cheeses me off. He could shut this down with a pen stroke, but we get nothing.Replies: @istevefan
In 2007, there was a forum hosted by some immigration attorneys who showed the attendees how to game the system to get foreign workers.
This clip is 4 minutes long and will give you an idea of the deceptive practices they use to justify the need to hire foreigners when Americans exist who would work the job.
PS. This will anger you.
The journalism business has basically been steadily declining since Queenie graduated. Decimated worse than any upstate NY mill town in the 1980s. People like Queenie have zero power, and write whatever their editors demand in order to hang on to their small slice of the middle class.
I saw a chart recently that showed Microsoft and Amazon taking about 3000 H-1Bs each in the most recent year. That’s chump change compared to the 20,000 or so that Wipro and Tata take each. I bet Trump the dealmaker could come up with something so that our true blue-chip tech companies can get limited numbers of truly outstanding people and the lepers at the body shops will get zero. An auction would be one way, a minimum wage of something like 3X median overall wages – $150K or so – would be another.
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
I’d prefer that Indians build and develop India. With 800 million Indians in abject poverty they need the skills of their best and brightest more than we do.
There are definitely inferior to their American counterparts by a wide margin, on average. So not only the H1Bs take away American jobs, they also increase the cost of doing business by their shoddy work. Smart Indians does exist of course, but the overwhelming majority of them are beyond bad.
Sushi is unhealthy, George. Between the mercury, lead, and other heavy metals, plus the parasites (tapeworms) present in uncooked fish — you’re better off eating slut pussy twice a day and getting oral cancer.
And that’s a nice Wakanda reference. Flyovercountry Wakanda actually is real which makes it so damn annoying. Corn fed white magic is the most galling form of white magic. Places like Texas and Minnesota thrive with no “help” from NYC or D.C. This is why they must be destroyed.
George says:
February 21, 2018 at 11:01 pm GMT
Jokes on you flyover staters, without H1-B visas you won’t find decent sushi chefs outside of a few coastal cities. Have fun in your Hoosier Wakanda.
I’d like to know exactly what kinds of documents are being requested. It’d be interesting to have, say, three concrete, representative examples of requests, what was requested, and why, and how it was responded to.
Is it just that law firms were geting sloppy and lazy and the government no longer lets it pass, or is it that the government has changed their interpretation of regulations, or is it that there is genuine fraud, or what.
The story is half baked and underreported.
Raj Nair was born in the US (St. Louis, MO). So he is an American, by birth, law, and culture.
Thomm: A pajeet who believes in magic dirt comments at iSteve for the edification of the benighted natives. So brave!
So American he's named "Raj". Survey says...not American. Citizen perhaps, American no.Replies: @Thomm
Ford announced late Wednesday that Raj Nair, an executive vice president and the president of Ford North America, would be leaving "effective immediately" due to unspecified reports of "inappropriate behavior."
Yup. Good old 'Murcan company Ford, has an EVP named Raj Nair. Ain't life grand?Replies: @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
He was born in St Louis, grew up in Illinois, went to college at Kettering and was a Ford lifer. That would make him as American as Lee Iacocca.
https://news.kettering.edu/news/kettering-university-graduate-raj-nair-helping-ford-plan-future-automobile-industry
Don't try to get away with patently stupid statements. Try harder.Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Thomm
Oh I don’t know. Hire from the other 80%? The number of Executive Vice President roles across all American car companies is probably less than 50. And Ford has to hire an Indian? No American was available?
“Apparently you would prefer if they outsourced his job to India.”
I would prefer they gave it to an American.
“At least here, his taxes pay for your gibsmedats”
As would the taxes of an American.
“Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.”
So? Why does that mean we need to import more white collar criminals? You’re an idiot.Replies: @Thomm
LOL! Peterike has inadvertantly reminded us that WNs are just woman-worshipping male feminists.
The accusation against Raj Nair appears to be of a #MeToo nature. Everyone from Steve Sailer to Heartiste has exposed how much of a scam this is, given the omission of due process and attention-whoring by post-35 women.
Yet Peterike, as a ‘male feminist’, assumes the false accusation against someone is true just because the person is from a race that Peterike does not like (and is being outcompeted by).
WN is really just own-race feminism.
Apparently, this person was the most qualified (which should be the only criteria). AND, he was born in St. Louis, so he IS an American by birth. I repeat, he is not an immigrant under US law and culture.
Your demand for identity politics is pathetic.
So what? He is not white; hence not a Real American. Many people argued Obama is an American; How did that work out?
The bottom line is India, if that his ancestral homeland, has missed out on a great talent. The fact he was born in the US doesn’t change that brain draining is not good for developing nations. You can look upon him as a missed opportunity for his ancestral home. That’s a shame.
Zero sum fallacy. Ethno-racial fallacy. Human capital (IQ, bell curve, etc.) fallacy.Replies: @istevefan
The Dreamers have a dream. They dream of living in a country they COULD NEVER BUILD OR MAINTAIN. Indians and Asian subcontinentals are not too different from Mexicans. They have “small businesses” sometimes, but I wonder how many Americans realize that these are bought and paid for with SBA loans denied to White people and paid by THEIR TAX DOLLARS? I imagine that would change the friendly and cordial attitudes to these “minority-owned” businesses. They also bring in their aged relatives THAT NEVER PAID TAXES and put them on Social Security.
The cost to Whites is THEIR FUTURE AND POSTERITY. The result is another dysfunctional shithole. They cannot create prosperity at home. How could they do it here? H1-bs enrich a few at the cost of EVERYONE ELSE. Those smug silicon valley nerds that laughed at blue collar people being dispossessed are now crying since THEY ARE BEING DISPOSSESSED as well.
This cannot end well. There are no GOOD OPTIONS. Crises do not call for Business as Usual. The Left loves a crisis, but THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF IT. The Lincoln Party “conserves” nothing for Americans. Democracy is now as bad as a four lettered word was before.
Anyone who erroneously claims that democracy has a better track record than other political systems is just Historically illiterate. Democracy always dies in a fire. It ALWAYS leads to a Dictatorship.
Did Europe collapse into barbarism and poverty after its massive brain drain to the colonies from the 17th to the 20th centuries?
Zero sum fallacy. Ethno-racial fallacy. Human capital (IQ, bell curve, etc.) fallacy.
Second, Europe did collapse into barbarism in the 20th century. I doubt it was the result of the emigrants they lost to the colonies. But collapse they did.BS. Developing nations have rightly complained that colonial powers robbed them of their futures. India complains that Britain was responsible for a marked decrease in what its GDP would have been by comparing the before and after effects of British colonization.
Taking their human resources is just as damaging as taking their natural resources. India's talent, whether native born or their descendants, is needed in India. It is a crime that the UK, US and Canada poach Indian physicians while India itself barely has 0.75 physicians per 1000 people. That is not a zero sum fallacy. That is reality.
This clip is 4 minutes long and will give you an idea of the deceptive practices they use to justify the need to hire foreigners when Americans exist who would work the job.
PS. This will anger you.Replies: @Mr. Anon
That clip has been in circulation for nearly ten years. It has not angered nearly enough people. Why isn’t it being used in campaign ads?
Birth and Law, yes? Culture? Probably not.
Anyway, here is the latest news about your great brown hope:
Ford Names Successor After Ousting Executive For ‘Inappropriate Behavior’
Maybe it was a foot fetish; I’ve heard that a lot of indian guys have that.
By the way, I’m not saying that he is an inferior. He is certainly superior……………to you.
https://news.kettering.edu/news/kettering-university-graduate-raj-nair-helping-ford-plan-future-automobile-industryReplies: @peterike, @3g4me
Ummm hmm. And I’m 100% certain you would say that a white Briton born in India during the British Raj was “as Indian as Mahatma Gandhi.” Right?
Don’t try to get away with patently stupid statements. Try harder.
What are the key criteria for you and how does Nair fail them?Replies: @William Badwhite
Once again, Peterike is making a hard push for the title of World's Stupidest Man.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
I’d bet that Peterike has a more worthwhile job than yours. What is it that you do for a living? You’re probably just some class of parasite. You act as if you are some kind of nietzschean superman, despite coming across as rather stupid.
Gosh, two of those are not quite like the others. Why is that?
What’s the matter, dips**t? Can’t think of enough crooked gentiles?
Abolish the program.
That said, the WN loser narrative is that H1-B's are of dramatically inferior quality (yet are somehow still taking away *their* jobs). This is not true either, and is really just the Dunning-Kruger manifestation of WN inadequacy.
Abolish the program in one fell swoop.Replies: @jbwilson24, @Mr. Anon
If there is a poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect, it is you, you simpering nitwit.
We’ll live.
@48 Thomm: “Raj Nair was born in the US (St. Louis, MO). So he is an American, by birth, law, and culture.”
Thomm: A pajeet who believes in magic dirt comments at iSteve for the edification of the benighted natives. So brave!
https://news.kettering.edu/news/kettering-university-graduate-raj-nair-helping-ford-plan-future-automobile-industryReplies: @peterike, @3g4me
@49 Ali Choudhury: “He was born in St Louis, grew up in Illinois, went to college at Kettering and was a Ford lifer. That would make him as American as Lee Iacocca.”
Ali Choudhury: And yet another pajeet who believes in magic dirt edifies the benighted natives at iSteve. We are truly blessed.
“I would be in favor of deporting reporter Queenie Wong along with Yan Shen as well.”
There, I fixed it.
“Raj Nair was born in the US (St. Louis, MO). So he is an American, by birth, law, and culture.”
So American he’s named “Raj”. Survey says…not American. Citizen perhaps, American no.
If he was born here (that too way back in 1964), he is an American.
WNs are un-American losers, and dumb as a pile of feces to boot. Plus, by your logic, only a Native American (which you are not) can be an American.Replies: @William Badwhite
Don't try to get away with patently stupid statements. Try harder.Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Thomm
Well, it is hard to know exactly how the alt right, paleoconservatives, white nationalists etc. draw the line in determining who would qualify to be an American.
What are the key criteria for you and how does Nair fail them?
- Adopt American customs, including naming conventions (so don't name your kid things like "Raj"). This rule is suspended for blacks, who are Americans but name their kids things like Quantravious or La'Kneesha
- Have ancestors that immigrated more recently than say, 1900. I'd also prefer a requirement that at least one ancestor have been here before the Revolution but realize I'm probably not going to get that.
- And of course, be descended from Europeans, preferably northern, preferably the British Isles. This rule is suspended for blacks.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
Zero sum fallacy. Ethno-racial fallacy. Human capital (IQ, bell curve, etc.) fallacy.Replies: @istevefan
First, Europe did not necessarily send its best. Most who came were the wretched refuse.
Second, Europe did collapse into barbarism in the 20th century. I doubt it was the result of the emigrants they lost to the colonies. But collapse they did.
BS. Developing nations have rightly complained that colonial powers robbed them of their futures. India complains that Britain was responsible for a marked decrease in what its GDP would have been by comparing the before and after effects of British colonization.
Taking their human resources is just as damaging as taking their natural resources. India’s talent, whether native born or their descendants, is needed in India. It is a crime that the UK, US and Canada poach Indian physicians while India itself barely has 0.75 physicians per 1000 people. That is not a zero sum fallacy. That is reality.
Good question. But remember it has only been seen by a very small group on the net. I bet 99 percent of the public is not even aware of it. But it would be great if Trump used it in conjunction with the debate on visas. Trump tweeting it out would immediately give it a million times more publicity than it ever got before.
What are the key criteria for you and how does Nair fail them?Replies: @William Badwhite
– Don’t think of themselves as hyphenated American (e.g. Mexican-American)
– Adopt American customs, including naming conventions (so don’t name your kid things like “Raj”). This rule is suspended for blacks, who are Americans but name their kids things like Quantravious or La’Kneesha
– Have ancestors that immigrated more recently than say, 1900. I’d also prefer a requirement that at least one ancestor have been here before the Revolution but realize I’m probably not going to get that.
– And of course, be descended from Europeans, preferably northern, preferably the British Isles. This rule is suspended for blacks.
The good news is that the other 80-90% of whites correctly keep your ilk out of polite society. White women, in particular, are doing an admirable job of cutting you off from access (they never, ever date a White Trashionalist).
It appears you truly don't know that the Spanish reached what is now the lower 48 before the English. You also don't appear to know that the Native Americans were here first.
- Adopt American customs, including naming conventions (so don't name your kid things like "Raj"). This rule is suspended for blacks, who are Americans but name their kids things like Quantravious or La'Kneesha
- Have ancestors that immigrated more recently than say, 1900. I'd also prefer a requirement that at least one ancestor have been here before the Revolution but realize I'm probably not going to get that.
- And of course, be descended from Europeans, preferably northern, preferably the British Isles. This rule is suspended for blacks.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
sorry meant “have no ancestors that”…
Plus, Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, Andy Fastow, and Bernie Madoff were white.Replies: @peterike, @bomag, @istevefan, @Mr. Anon, @Hippopotamusdrome
Did you even read the post you replied to?
It mentioned this:
Ford president Raj Nair leaves over ‘inappropriate behavior’
So American he's named "Raj". Survey says...not American. Citizen perhaps, American no.Replies: @Thomm
That shows how little you 70-IQ WNs know about America.
If he was born here (that too way back in 1964), he is an American.
WNs are un-American losers, and dumb as a pile of feces to boot. Plus, by your logic, only a Native American (which you are not) can be an American.
You meant Indian, which is what Indians themselves prefer to be called. I am a native American - my earliest arriving ancestor landed in 1668. No ancestors arrived later than the early 19th century.
The rest of your post is projection and imbecilic gibberish.
Lastly Thumb the Immigrant, you should spell your name like an American: No H, one M.
- Adopt American customs, including naming conventions (so don't name your kid things like "Raj"). This rule is suspended for blacks, who are Americans but name their kids things like Quantravious or La'Kneesha
- Have ancestors that immigrated more recently than say, 1900. I'd also prefer a requirement that at least one ancestor have been here before the Revolution but realize I'm probably not going to get that.
- And of course, be descended from Europeans, preferably northern, preferably the British Isles. This rule is suspended for blacks.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
False. WN losers are desperate to claim that Irish, Italians, and Poles have always been their allies, and these groups were never discriminated against.
Oh, so since the Chinese change their first names (funky Billy Chin and little Tommy Chang), they are fully American due to this requirement.
Oh, so most Italian and certainly most Polish Americans are not Americans.
The good news is that the other 80-90% of whites correctly keep your ilk out of polite society. White women, in particular, are doing an admirable job of cutting you off from access (they never, ever date a White Trashionalist).
It appears you truly don’t know that the Spanish reached what is now the lower 48 before the English. You also don’t appear to know that the Native Americans were here first.
Don't try to get away with patently stupid statements. Try harder.Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Thomm
Actually, there are several of these. Over a million, including athletes, politicians, professors, etc.
Once again, Peterike is making a hard push for the title of World’s Stupidest Man.
- Adopt American customs, including naming conventions (so don't name your kid things like "Raj"). This rule is suspended for blacks, who are Americans but name their kids things like Quantravious or La'Kneesha
- Have ancestors that immigrated more recently than say, 1900. I'd also prefer a requirement that at least one ancestor have been here before the Revolution but realize I'm probably not going to get that.
- And of course, be descended from Europeans, preferably northern, preferably the British Isles. This rule is suspended for blacks.Replies: @William Badwhite, @Thomm, @Ali Choudhury
If the British Isles comes top per your reckoning, does that include the Catholic southern Irish or just the Protestant Scots-Irish? Should Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox immigration into America been more heavily restricted in the past? And was Ben Franklin right when he thought German immigration should have been discouraged and only English or Anglo-Saxon immigration encouraged per his Observations published in 1755?
Should Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox immigration into America been more heavily restricted in the past?
Catholic and Jewish: probably and absolutely yes. Orthodox: Orthodox what? Greek? Russian? Latvian?
And was Ben Franklin right when he thought German immigration should have been discouraged and only English or Anglo-Saxon immigration encouraged per his Observations published in 1755?
At the time yes, however they seemed to have worked out nicely. They can stay. Anybody named "Ali" is out though.Replies: @Ali Choudhury
Says the smug south asian loser who has never worked with them.
India doesn't have single elite STEM university in the top 50 globally in any relevant discipline. China has Tsinghua, Japan has Tokyo, Singapore has NUS, Hong Kong has HUST. What does India have, apart from legions of unibrowed peasants who can't control their birthrates?
The US state department warned its staff that Indian fraud is so pervasive that documentation cannot be trusted. We can't trust identity papers, academic diplomas, etc. We have no clue if the person stepping off the plane is even the same person who applied.
(A nice Indian fellow in Berkeley even imported sex slaves under the H1B... he was caught smuggling one out of his house, all rolled up in a rug).
Software quality is notoriously hard to gauge. It is not like painting a house, where you have instant feedback on how a person is doing. Throw a bunch of Indians onto a team and who knows when the manager will see their contributions.
In short, as a software engineer who has worked with Indians (and who is not American, btw), I see no reason to assume that they are over the median ability of a US graduate. I find them markedly inferior to the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese these days. (China has really boosted its english language training, nullifying one of the main advantages for Indians).Replies: @Thomm
I am not Indian, you retard. I am a white guy. I don’t even like them that much, except that they make WN wiggers lose their shit unlike any other group.
BTW, Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, and have the highest educational level. I understand that a Trashionalist like you doesn’t know how to interpret data, but for others, here is the ranking. Filipinos are second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Yeah, 20 years ago. Plus, debating by anecdote is THE indicator of a 70-IQ. The only people who do that are blacks and WNs like you (two groups of equal intelligence).
You just can’t stand that your extremely simplistic views are false, and since you are the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect, you have your typical White Trashionalist meltdown.
heh heh heh heh
Yeah all these dumb White people who only invented jets, rockets, computers and the electrical grid need to step aside for starving brown people who bathe in a river and have no indoor plumbing. This is based on the real science of someone writing books or something.
Why stand in the way of progress, White Man? Electricity, modern medicine, science and engineering are overrated. Embrace the brown world of dysfunction, disease and die off to fulfill the insane fantasies of delusional parasites that are despised everywhere they go.
Why do you not listen to these lies? Do it or we will lie again.
Note the use of the word “preferred”. Protestants are preferred to Catholics, yes.
Should Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox immigration into America been more heavily restricted in the past?
Catholic and Jewish: probably and absolutely yes. Orthodox: Orthodox what? Greek? Russian? Latvian?
And was Ben Franklin right when he thought German immigration should have been discouraged and only English or Anglo-Saxon immigration encouraged per his Observations published in 1755?
At the time yes, however they seemed to have worked out nicely. They can stay. Anybody named “Ali” is out though.
If he was born here (that too way back in 1964), he is an American.
WNs are un-American losers, and dumb as a pile of feces to boot. Plus, by your logic, only a Native American (which you are not) can be an American.Replies: @William Badwhite
Plus, by your logic, only a Native American (which you are not) can be an American.
You meant Indian, which is what Indians themselves prefer to be called. I am a native American – my earliest arriving ancestor landed in 1668. No ancestors arrived later than the early 19th century.
The rest of your post is projection and imbecilic gibberish.
Lastly Thumb the Immigrant, you should spell your name like an American: No H, one M.
Should Catholic, Jewish and Orthodox immigration into America been more heavily restricted in the past?
Catholic and Jewish: probably and absolutely yes. Orthodox: Orthodox what? Greek? Russian? Latvian?
And was Ben Franklin right when he thought German immigration should have been discouraged and only English or Anglo-Saxon immigration encouraged per his Observations published in 1755?
At the time yes, however they seemed to have worked out nicely. They can stay. Anybody named "Ali" is out though.Replies: @Ali Choudhury
Thanks for the responses, no worries on that score, I am very happy and settled where I am. I don’t think the US would make the Top 10 of places I would look to live in.
I've traveled extensively in my years, been to every continent except Antarctica and dozens of countries - there are many places that would equal or even surpass the U.S. as a place to live. I don't doubt that your home is to you, a nice place. Because its your home.
I prefer here because my family has been here for 350 years - it's my home.
However I also hope that you don't have hordes of obnoxious foreigners and immigrants lecturing you about how your home has always belong to them and you should stand aside and let them have it.
I came out of college in ’75 with some computer-programming course work under my belt, and took a junior programming job with an insurance co to start. Starting pay back then was anywhere from $8,000 to $12K. Yes, you read that right, and that was ANNUALLY, not monthly. As demand grew in the early 80’s pay slowly crept up to where you could make a middle-class living in the field; experienced programmers on mainframe biz systems were then making high $20’s to mid 30’s. Obviously, business concerns weren’t going to tolerate any further upward wage movement! They got working to bribe Congress to enact the H1-B visa scam to address their ‘temporary labor shortage.’ That became active in ’91. Needless to say, the bottom quickly fell out of the IT job market. As hundreds of thousands, then millions. of Indians were imported, wage/salary levels stagnated and unemployment in the field grew. Twenty-seven years later, industry STILL has not solved their ‘temporary labor shortage.’ I last worked in IT in 2011 at the age of 58, in a temporary contracting job. That ended and I was never able to find another job or assignment. I had to start collecting SS at age 62. Had no health insurance for seven years until I aged into Medicare. THAT is what American employers have in store for every one of this year’s college grads.
$10,000 in May 1975 is $46,600 now.
Glad to hear it – both that you won’t try to move here and that you enjoy where you are.
I’ve traveled extensively in my years, been to every continent except Antarctica and dozens of countries – there are many places that would equal or even surpass the U.S. as a place to live. I don’t doubt that your home is to you, a nice place. Because its your home.
I prefer here because my family has been here for 350 years – it’s my home.
However I also hope that you don’t have hordes of obnoxious foreigners and immigrants lecturing you about how your home has always belong to them and you should stand aside and let them have it.
Once again, Peterike is making a hard push for the title of World's Stupidest Man.Replies: @Mr. Anon
Don’t worry. Your claim to the title is secure.
BTW, Indians are the highest-income ethnic group in the US, and have the highest educational level. I understand that a Trashionalist like you doesn't know how to interpret data, but for others, here is the ranking. Filipinos are second.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_incomeYeah, 20 years ago. Plus, debating by anecdote is THE indicator of a 70-IQ. The only people who do that are blacks and WNs like you (two groups of equal intelligence).
You just can't stand that your extremely simplistic views are false, and since you are the epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect, you have your typical White Trashionalist meltdown.
heh heh heh hehReplies: @Mr. Anon
Do you even read the sites you link to? Filipinos were fourth on that list. In any event, I don’t believe the list anyway. I don’t believe that Jews rank below Indians or that Filipinos are even fouth. You uncritically believe anything posted on Wikipedia because you are a stupid ass.
The simpering laugh of a half-wit.
It is amazing that you are too stupid to even see the citation that g0es to the US Census Bureau, and you also have no alternative source from which to base your 'disagreement' (i.e. your emotional, impotent hissy fit) on.
Thanks for demonstrating your 70-IQ to us yet again. Your stupidity continues to astound.
Heh heh heh heh
It references the US Census Bureau. Click on the citation link near each number.
It is amazing that you are too stupid to even see the citation that g0es to the US Census Bureau, and you also have no alternative source from which to base your ‘disagreement’ (i.e. your emotional, impotent hissy fit) on.
Thanks for demonstrating your 70-IQ to us yet again. Your stupidity continues to astound.
Heh heh heh heh