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From CNN:

Gun and ammunition sales soar as defund-the-police movement grows

By Chauncey Alcorn, CNN Business

Updated 10:42 AM ET, Wed June 24, 2020

… Background checks for firearms purchases reached an all-time high in March and maintained record highs for April and May, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms trade association that monitors gun sale-related background checks to track industry trends.

Semi-automatic handguns outpaced shotguns by a two-to-one margin as the weapons of choice among first-time gun buyers, according to gun merchants surveyed by NSSF.

The latest national background check stats won’t be available until July, but since Floyd’s death on Memorial Day, NSSF Director of Public Affairs Mark Oliva said gun sellers have reported a sales spike similar to the one caused by the coronavirus.

… More than 6.5 million gun-sale background checks were conducted from January 1 through April 30, according to the latest NSSF research, which showed a 48% year-over-year rise from the same period in 2019. Firearms retailers surveyed by NSSF in May estimated that 40% of their sales came from first-time gun buyers.

Oliva said 40% of those first-time gun buyers were women, a relatively high rate for that demographic group. Although gun sales have been up across the country, a rise in first-time gun buyers in left-leaning states like California have helped fuel the national uptick in firearms and ammunition purchases, he noted.

The Gun Run on Magnolia Boulevard in Burbank, CA where gun stores cluster has had lines out the doors and down the street since March.

 
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  1. tyrone says:

    Makes sense ,when the shooting really starts they will only be available from cold dead fingers.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  2. El Dato says:

    since Floyd’s death

    I think this event of extreme importance should be properly called FLOYDDEATH

    The latest national background check stats won’t be available until July, but since FLOYDDEATH, NSSF Director of Public Affairs Mark Oliva said gun sellers have reported a sales spike similar to the one caused by the coronavirus.

    Much better.

    Now the question is, are inscriptions in gun handling intruction classes and shooting ranges up too? Can’t have one without the other.

  3. Shouldn’t there be something like MGT … Modern Gun Theory … where the government simply produces and issues free guns to everyone?

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Neuday
  4. Wake up says:

    This is solid proof that law abiding citizens can’t rely on the police to protect us. We need to protect ourselves. OUR LIVES MATTER.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
  5. Will all these women and libs also be undergoing extensive firearms training and practice on a regular basis?

    Didn’t think so.

    Should be a lot of easy meat out there when the time comes.

    • Agree: Thoughts
  6. Dumbo says:

    I know of people who never thought of having a gun before, who now want to buy.

    I don’t know if the powers that be realize that BLM and Gun Control are opposing narratives, I mean, if you’re going to promote chaos and protests, and defund the police, of course people will want to be armed, and if you want to promote Gun Control, well, then make people feel safe first…

  7. Seeing your neighbors engage in death matches over toilet paper tends to make one NOT rely on the police for protection.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  8. theMann says:

    A whole lot of people who don’t know how to shoot buying guns………what could go wrong?

    Stance, grip, sighting, breath control, trigger control – not instinctive, and you don’t learn it in a day.
    Recoil, muzzle blast, know your projectile penetration, reload, under stress. Do it quickly, calm and collected. Handle it all – just shoot that .357 magnum indoors without hearing protection, yea!
    Move to cover, acquire target area, fire to saturation, move to cover, acquire target, rinse and repeat.

    If you don’t know how to shoot, don’t get a gun. And don’t even think about the intersection of yourself with someone who is trained, equipped, and ready to use both. Because part of training is: acquire the target, destroy the target, acquire the next target. No mercy, no compunction, no nothing.

    Then again, maybe a lot of those Karens fit that previous sentence pretty well….

  9. El Dato says:
    @Dumbo

    You know about computer “expert systems” who are insanely dumb because they search through the logical implications of their programmed theory with great acumen but stop a bit too early to reach a conclusion of any interest because of space/time needs?

    This is that.

    Or it’s planned evil readying people for elimination by Rwandan-style death mobs.

    Seeing how this was all planned well in Rwanda (actually complete with fals-flag killings from the other side to turn the heat up a bit more) I would bet it’s the latter.

  10. @El Dato

    Now the question is, are inscriptions in gun handling intruction classes and shooting ranges up too?

    Not so much. A lot of ranges and classes are closed or restricted in capacity as with other service industries (restaurants, schools, etc.).

    As for gun sales, after a couple of weeks of Floyd rioting I visited a largish gun store in a bluish suburban area of a purple state. Contrary to my expectation, it wasn’t crowded, though it was obvious a lot of stock had recently been sold and some models were sold out. I chatted with the owner a bit. He said he can’t restock since there is no manufacturer inventory left to buy. OTOH, he still had a lot of stock of his own in all main categories (rifle/shotgun/pistol) though perhaps not the specific model you were looking for. I asked him if he “had to” raise prices to stem panic buying? He was offended at the suggestion, saying he never raised prices. He also volunteered that though he still had the platforms, he was about to run out of ammo, which also could not be easily restocked. So gun buyers were about to become as disappointed as car buyers who can’t get fuel.

    So there’s some data points.

  11. El Dato says:
    @theMann

    How to teach your daughter.

    Studies in the “Soft Sciences”? NAY!

  12. El Dato says:

    Btw what’s going on with the “roman candles” flap? This is as mysterious as the “bricks laying around” flap (which was neither confirmed nor denied to be a real thing). Still, I wonder what’s next. Butane fuel cylinder that appear on street corners? Dynamite sticks lying around?

  13. @El Dato

    Down here in Sarasota the ranges are reopened and two of stores with indoor ranges I visited have gone 7 days for ccw classes, one chain with multiple locations covering Orlando, Tampa and Naples included. Lots of newby buyers of the OK Boomer generation, also lots of middle aged minorities as well according to the staff. Lots of inventory selling out fast as well. It all depends on how much you want to spend and where you are. Florida has a three day waiting period on handguns and due to the volume there is about a 4 hour wait, which generally means overnight, on the background check. The state’s CCW license is run through the secretary of agriculture’s office. The current incumbent is a lefty gun grabber so she’s slow’n that down as much as possible. Doesn’t prevent buying the weapon though. Good luck on the ammo, supplies sell out pretty quick.

  14. @Dumbo

    Um, how does this square with the political poll numbers?

    Are all of these gun buyers voting for Mr. Get a Shotgun, or is there is there one of those cognitive dissonance effects I keep hearing about?

  15. Corn says:

    People are rushing out to buy guns but if (big if admittedly given all the lies in society) the polls ring true in a few months most of these new gun owners will vote for the Gun Grab Party. *smh*

  16. Aardvark says:

    What would make news about more buyers encouraging is if there was an aggregate increase in kicking anti-gun legislators and Hollywood idiots to the curb.

  17. Dr. X says:

    If you weren’t forward-thinking the last couple of years when guns and ammo were cheap and readily available, it’s going to be difficult to build your SHTF stash now… because the SHTF scenario is pretty much here.

    And this is an election year. Whatever happens next will NOT be good.

  18. Polynikes says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Exactly. Gun sales started to sky rocket with the social unrest brought about from the lockdowns.

    Prices started to climb a little entering 2020 because it’s an election year. If you want a gun now is a tough(-ish) time to buy. Prices were at all time lows the last few years, so comparing things to that time period isn’t perfect. I’d say buy right now and don’t look back if you’re thinking of getting something.

  19. @Almost Missouri

    The store owner may have been sensitive about the price question because someone had accused him of gouging, which is something that has been prosecuted during the Beer flu hysteria.

  20. @theMann

    Agreed that anyone acquiring a firearm should be trained in how to use it and be willing to do so when necessary. But that’s not quite as difficult as you suggest; basic firearms safety (see Jeff Cooper’s four rules) and loading, up, point, press, are all a homeowner with a shotgun needs to be able to do to repel a home invader. Your suggestions are good for someone training for police work but they might intimate someone who simply wants to survive a potentially lethal encounter; Again, Jeff Cooper’s Seven Principles of Personal Defense, and his color-coded system of mental awareness are good placex to start.

    • Thanks: Anonymousse
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Harry Baldwin
  21. Ray P says:

    The recent upheavals must be orchestrated by the firearms manufacturers. It’s like Lenin said, cui bono?

  22. Neoconned says:

    I bought a cheapo .38 revolver and a shotgun for home defense back in April.

    I bought more out of a fear of a rise in crime NOT any kind of fear of riots or some such.

  23. Meanwhile, in Illinois…

    Guns are flying off the shelf.’ Permit applications up more than 500% amid coronavirus pandemic and George Floyd fallout.

    But with a wave of crises crashing across the country, more than 40,000 Illinoisans applied for a gun permit in a little more than two weeks this month, more than 500% over this time last year, according to Illinois State Police.

    The mandatory 72-hour background check — required by the state before getting a gun — has stretched to more than a week for some of his customers.

    From June 1 to June 17, there were more than 42,000 applications for FOID cards, compared with about 7,000 during the same time last year, a 501% increase.

    “There’s two big predictors of gun ownership — not sport-type rifle owners — but among new gun owners usually, and that is perceived risk of victimization and then a belief that the world is a dangerous place,” he continued. “And if we dig into that second one, right, the world does look like a dangerous place right now.”

    “The numbers I saw from the National Shooting Sports Foundation … said 40% of respondents to (store) surveys were new, first-time buyers. And of those, 40% are female — 40% of the 40%,” Eldridge said. “We’re tracking 150% of a typical May in firearms sales … and that’s with being open by appointment only.”

    “I have seen the emergence of a new class of students seeking training: anti-Second Amendment liberals,” he said.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-illinois-foid-gun-ammo-sales-uncertainty-20200625-pkve27352jagnp4y5dbaubkyoy-story.html

    The IL Cosmopolitan Gun Controller never sleeps:

    • Replies: @El Dato
  24. In Freq says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I dunno, I take the gun purchases as a Reddening in some blue enclaves.

  25. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    What I found most interesting about the article is that this is now a “defund the police movement”.

  26. @theMann

    “If you don’t know how to shoot, don’t get a gun.”

    In order to engage in a gun fight, you’re going to need a gun. In the old days, people had “bureau drawer specials,” typically small revolvers fired once or twice at the range, and then put away. That probably describes the majority of most handguns owned for defensive use.

    And another reason you want an AR-type military weapon to complement your 9mm pistol:

    Your Rifle Needs a Bayonet

    Your primary home defense rifle needs to be able to take a bayonet, and you need to have a bayonet ready to mount to it. You scoff, of course. You think, “I’ll just shoot them. The military hasn’t used bayonets in years”. But I ask you to remember what you’ve seen on the nightly news for the last few weeks and think about it. What are you going to do when you find yourself in the middle of a violent mob that will rush you and kick your head into the pavement if they decide they don’t like you? The military may have abandoned the bayonet, but I’m not in the military. Most of the time I’m at home with my family. I have to think about what benefits me and my situation. I have seen enough videos by now to convince me that a sharp, pointy blade on the end of my rifle is very good, for two reasons.

    First, it serves as a psychological motivation for people to keep away from you. Occasionally, pointing guns at people does not seem to have an effect. I know a man who spent time in the military over in Iraq and he commented that he could point a gun and angrily shout commands, but when he reached for his knife people started to take him seriously. Why is that? I think it’s because most people have not been shot, but everyone has been cut or stabbed by something at some point in their lives. Most of us understand blades at a much deeper psychological level than we do bullets. If a mob rushes upon you to do violence, a gun pointed at them may not deter them much if they don’t think you will use it (shooting it probably will), but if there’s a bayonet on the end of it, they will avoid it. If they rush you, you don’t have to take much action; they will be the ones injuring themselves. No one hates their own body, but cherishes it and cares for it. Nobody will willingly impale or cut themselves. A bayonet is like barbed or razor wire for your person, clearly stating “STAY BACK”. A group of friends all together with bayonets pointed outwards would be even better. Your rifle needs a bayonet. Your friends need bayonets too.

    If you can’t use your rifle as a firearm, either because you are out of ammo or the bad guys are right up in your face, a bayonet on a rifle can be useful. Your rifle needs a bayonet.

    http://www.thenewrifleman.com/your-rifle-needs-a-bayonet/

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  27. It’s not necessarily shitlibs boosting the gun sales in blue states. CA still has a lot of deep red Whites who might, for totally inexplicable reasons!, feel threatened by the direction their state is taking.

    Women buying up guns is meaningless on anything more than an anecdotal self-defense level. When SHTF, the women will be cowering behind their men, as they have done for millennia.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Charlotte
  28. It’s been about 90 years since a white guy would have a name like Chauncey Alcorn, which sounds like something out of a dimestore pulp.

    From his LinkedIn profile:

    I’m a seasoned general assignment and breaking news journalist who blends old school face-to-face relationship building techniques with new world social networking and digital media tools to accomplish timely and dynamic storytelling.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  29. anonimo11 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I myself had never held a gun in my hands before April 1, but now, after 350 shots at the range, two gun classes (one online), I am fairly proficient. I spoke to one of the gun shop employees last time at the range (which is the back of the shop), because I might be able to spend the next six months overseas and i wanted his advice about what to do with the gun. He says it is best to store safely and keep, but if I am leaving for good they will buy it back, because stuff is flying off the shelves. Ammo is rationed at 50 bullets per visit per customer.
    The range is usually not crowded, but I try to go there as soon as it opens, the only time I went at lunch time it was full. They only open every second lane…

    • Replies: @usNthem
  30. joe862 says:

    I applied for a permit a few days ago and was told that here in Illinois I can expect to wait 4-6 months for it to be approved. By law it has to be done in 30 days but apparently they’re not even close to that.

  31. I have a liberal friend whom I’ve known since childhood. Both now nearing 70, we still keep in touch. He’s a doctor and lives in Edina, a nice suburb of Minneapolis, so I had assumed the rioting wouldn’t endanger him personally. However, when he spoke he told me that he was only four miles from the city line and had heard the helicopters, sirens, and detonation of tear gas grenades. It occurred to him that if the rioters came into his neighborhood and he called the police, they wouldn’t be able to help him. So he suddenly thought maybe it would be good to have a gun.

    Now, this is a guy who is freaked out about guns. He’s freaked out that I have a gun collection, freaked out that I have a CCW, and freaked out that I carry. Last year, when I was flying out to meet him, I told him that when I got to the airport I realized I had pepper spray in my pocket and had to discreetly dispose of it. He was freaked out that I had pepper spray!

    So, whatever his concerns, I know that my friend will not get himself a gun and probably should not. He’s not emotionally equipped to handle it. Sure enough, he lost his resolve when his equally liberal girlfriend told him that it’s a bad idea to have a gun because it might cause the police to shoot you, as they did Breonna Taylor.

  32. joe862 says:
    @theMann

    A gun is a very simple machine. I’m sure training can improve your odds but the idea that you need a lot of training to point and pull the trigger is silly. If someone’s in your house and you see them first you’ll most likely be able to hit them. I’ve never been interested in guns but I’ve been poking around lately and it seems like the gun nuts are the ones enthusiastic about firing their .44 in the bathroom. The people who make this out to be some hugely complex endeavor crack me up. It’s like claiming you need a phd to work a scissors.

  33. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Looking on the shining bright side of the Floyd George shooting, no liberal will ever again be able to seriously ask, “but why would any American citizen need a semi-automatic weapon that shoots multiple rounds of high-explosive hollow-tipped bullets?!”

    Floyd George is a modern James Madison of White people. A unlikely historic icon who has galvanized a bedrock of our constitution: He ensured the integrity of the second amendment for the next 100 years, and as summer heats up, our children will fully understand why!

    We may have lost a knee, but we gained a well stocked garage arsenal.

    • Agree: fish
  34. @theMann

    Handle it all – just shoot that .357 magnum indoors without hearing protection, yea!

    The guns being bought are more likely to be 9mm, 380, or 38 Special. Still loud, but not quite the fireball from a 357.

    Move to cover, acquire target area, fire to saturation, move to cover, acquire target, rinse and repeat.

    Not very useful in a self defense situation. A “target area” might be useful in a military setting, but it will land you in prison in the real world. You aim at a target and you know what is behind it. The same with your “fire to saturation”. You are responsible for every round out of that firearm. Saturate the neighbors house and kids and you get a long vacation in the state pen.

    If you don’t know how to shoot, don’t get a gun.

    Or get one and then get training as ranges and classes come out from under China Flu restrictions.

    And don’t even think about the intersection of yourself with someone who is trained, equipped, and ready to use both.

    Those people typically aren’t going to be breaking into your house or mugging you. You do realize that the average citizen firearm owner is a better shot than your average “trained” cop? Most cops are pisspoor shots which is why they have to do mag dumps that endanger anyone unlucky enough to be down range from them.

    Because part of training is: acquire the target, destroy the target, acquire the next target. No mercy, no compunction, no nothing.

    Military training, yes. Self defense training, no. For self defense you are trained to shoot until the threat is stopped. Shoot the target after they are no longer a threat means prison time.

    The FBI says the average gun fight is 3 rounds in 3 seconds at 3 yards or less. Not a whole lot of move and cover.

    Should people be trained, yes they should. Is shooting as difficult as you are trying to make it seem, no it isn’t.

  35. theMann says:

    Ammo is a definite choke point. It takes hundreds of rounds of shooting a weapon to get really comfortable with it, and then you need a solid reserve of rounds on hand afterward.

    You could learn to reload – might make you the most popular guy in the neighborhood .

  36. These long lines outside gun stores are a result of antisocial assburger distancing for the BULLSHIT-2020 hoax. I see the same phenom outside clothing stores etc in Oregon where Kween Kate recently mandated face diapers and DSM-5 distancing. I of course obey neither.

    Get Out Live Life!

    • Agree: Old Prude
  37. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    So, whatever his concerns, I know that my friend will not get himself a gun and probably should not. He’s not emotionally equipped to handle it. Sure enough, he lost his resolve when his equally liberal girlfriend told him that it’s a bad idea to have a gun because it might cause the police to shoot you, as they did Breonna Taylor.

    Just offer to take him to a local rifle range, and rent out a 9mm. It’s a great all around weapon for a beginner. It’s simple. The loading process isn’t ostentatious. It’s not that loud, and doesn’t have an obnoxious kick when fired. Either you can instruct him, or one of the instructors there can do it.

    Once he shoots off a few rounds and realizes the world hasn’t ended, he may even enjoy it. I would also underscore that a gun is the same as a power drill, or a chainsaw, or any other tool that uses kenetic energy to get the job done, and should be thought of as such. It’s just a tool. It’s not something to show off with, or make a big deal about.

    After he gets used to it, ask him to imagine how he’d feel, if his home began to be overrun with insane angry negroes, when he has a gun in his hand, rather than having no gun. Just him and his family, trying to reason with insane angry negroes… and no police.

    His sense of self-preservation will reason it out for him. He may even switch to a conservative republican. They say a democrat is just a republican who has not yet have his home overrun by IAN’s.

  38. CNN Clickbait Headline

    “Sources: NRA Financed BLM”

  39. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Don’t overestimate the training needed to operate a six-shooter. Any idiot can point and shoot one of those things. Loading and cleaning are real easy too. My sister has an 8 round .22 revolver that has no kick and no fuss to it.

  40. @Harry Baldwin

    You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. — Allen Iverson, philosopher

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  41. Neuday says:
    @The Alarmist

    Shouldn’t there be something like MGT … Modern Gun Theory … where the government simply produces and issues free guns to everyone?

    It’s already in practice. In Modern Monetary Theory, large investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Citibank get billions and billions while the average Joe gets $1200. In Modern Gun Theory, the same guys, through ZOG, control the U.S. military while the average Joe gets a semi-auto .223 if he’s a good boy. For now.

    If SCOTUS interpreted the 2nd Amendment like they do the Commerce Clause, I’d have full-auto, crew-served and indirect fire weapons. We’d be a better country if our elites had boundaries.

    • LOL: fish
  42. J1234 says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    So, whatever his concerns, I know that my friend will not get himself a gun and probably should not. He’s not emotionally equipped to handle it.

    There are people who shouldn’t own guns just like there are people who shouldn’t drive cars. I also have a collection and a CCW permit, so I’m an enthusiastic 2A guy, but I’m also a realist. I always thought that my kids would grow up to be gun owners, but one of them is (successfully) treating depression, so I’m actually rather relieved she has no interest in firearms, and I don’t encourage it in her case.

  43. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Howard, not easy to be a father of daughters. I want them to be safe and secure but it is hard to teach them that if they fear for their life then you have to inflict major damage. If you actually carry a gun and have to pull it, then use it. I have bail money and I would remortgage my mortgage free house for legal fees. First punch wins is a good thing in a bar fight, first shot probably saves your life.Sad commentary that it has come to this.

  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @theMann

    If you don’t know how to shoot, don’t get a gun. And don’t even think about the intersection of yourself with someone who is trained, equipped, and ready to use both.

    Most armed street thugs, car-jackers, or home-invaders are not trained either.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  45. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, what tripe. And I actually usually like tripe with my mother’s special tripe sauce.

    • Replies: @Kyle
  46. @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, so your doctor friend and his girlfriend should move way farther from Minneapolis. And he should sell his house quickly at an under market price and when you see him again tell him that his distress and financial loss are due to his white privilege .

  47. why should lifetime Democrat voters be allowed to purchase or own firearms?

    they spend 30 years trying to eliminate that right and disarm us, then they get to just buy a gun next week if they suddenly feel threatened?

    it’s infuriating. it’s far worse than the third worlders flooding into the country. everybody knows their deal and what they’re about. it’s the liberals who are much, much more annoying.

  48. Old Prude says:
    @theMann

    The most likely use of these recently acquired guns will be to ward off rapists and looters and dissipated ex-Marines(but I repeat myself), not a squad of Army Rangers. The ladies should do fine

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Truth
  49. @Harry Baldwin

    This is a friendly reminder to always, always, always check your bags and your person for any guns or ammo before you travel to the airport. Twice. I have several friends who are TSA at a major airport. On an almost daily basis some poor schmuck forgets that he left his sidearm in the pocket of his travel bag or left a few loose bullets in the bottom of the bag. They are arrested on the spot, charged with a criminal offense, issued a civil penalty of around $10,000 by TSA, and placed on a list of lucky travelers who get extra screening in the future. Don’t be that guy.

  50. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Noose is like the n-word.

    Black can call each other and even non-blacks the n-word but others better not use it.

    Blacks can use the noose to bring down statues, but others better not use it.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/aUmHjI8sYf4/

  51. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hearts on Fire

    Women buying up guns is meaningless on anything more than an anecdotal self-defense level. When SHTF, the women will be cowering behind their men, as they have done for millennia.

    They don’t have to cower.

    Conclusion: Be a good dad. If you choose to have a kid, don’t shirk raising her. Get your daughter prepared for her life. Don’t raise another crybaby.

  52. anon[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    basic firearms safety (see Jeff Cooper’s four rules)

    This is a public service announcement from another country. Please take notes.

  53. fish says:
    @joe862

    It’s like claiming you need a phd to work a scissors.

    A fair percentage of the phd’s I’ve known shouldn’t be around scissors.

  54. One trend I am aware of is grandfathers who are in the 75-85 year old range are passing on their significant gun collections to their 40-60 year old children and their friends. These are people who have carefully accumulated 5, 10, 20 handguns and long guns for their own enjoyment but now are getting too old to use them or are passing on. Just like gifting the family silverware the kids are now inheriting them. There is probably some urgency behind this as well with the recent riots. These collections are often eclectic and high quality and the people receiving them are taking lessons and some are learning how to fire a gun for the first time at 50. Many of these people only need one or two guns so they are being spread around to friends who are not collectors but suddenly have the opportunity to get a good deal on a piece.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  55. @Diversity Heretic

    basic firearms safety (see Jeff Cooper’s four rules) and loading, up, point, press, are all a homeowner with a shotgun needs to be able to do to repel a home invader.

    With a double-barreled shotgun, the manual of arms is fairly simple. With a pump shotgun, you have to practice enough not to make certain mistakes under stress, such as short-stroking the action.

  56. theMann says:
    @joe862

    I have an excellent bayonet rigged to my Mossberg 500 (shotgun, for those of you needing more info). Also the rail on the weapon allows for some nice tactical rigging, including a powerful side-mounted light. Maximum tactical advantage for those close in firefights. Also, the mix of shells available for shotguns is pretty impressive: slugs, buckshot, buck and ball, flechette, flame rounds.And you are absolutely right, sometimes racking a shell just doesn’t make the impression walking into some one until the bayonet is an inch from their eye does.

    Nowadays most weapons have rails, or can add them. I serious recommend any additions to give you any tactical advantage you can think of.

  57. @joe862

    There is truth in what you say.

    In most situations, the mere fact that you have the gun will end the problem.
    In most situations, you will be sufficiently close to your assailant that you should be able to get enough bullets into him to end the problem.

    In the NRA’s magazine, The American Rifleman, there is a monthly feature called “The Armed Citizen,” which presents short news items about people who successfully defended themselves with a firearm. Very few of the people in these accounts had any training.

    The people that I know who train constantly are preparing for the (perhaps) five percent of situations in which you have to make a very fast shot on a small target, as well as multiple targets. They are also training because the more engrained are your gun-handling habits, the less likely you are to freeze or fumble under stress.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @anonymous
  58. @anonymous

    If my friend, pushing 70, hasn’t already worked this out for himself, I see no likelihood that he will now. I wouldn’t choose to live that way, but apparently he’s okay with it.

  59. @joe862

    You should know the failure modes of your weapon and know what to do to remediate failures in battle.

  60. theMann says:
    @joe862

    “A gun is a very simple machine”.

    So is a car, you still need to learn how to use it.

    Pop quiz: Why did Gerald Ford live to complete his term? Because Squeaky Fromme didn’t know you had to manually chamber the first round in the .45 auto she didn’t shoot him with. And just about anybody starting a shooting career with a weapon of that power is going to fire one round, drop the weapon, and run around yelling ow ow ow ow ow for a while.

    ” If someone’s in your house and you see them first you’ll most likely be able to hit them.”

    ok, go with that belief. Way more than 50% of first round shots are misses. Of the intended target anyway.

    ‘It’s like claiming you need a phd to work a scissors.”

    No, it is more like expecting a person who has never had a Dance lesson to do a Tango.

  61. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    If my friend, pushing 70, hasn’t already worked this out for himself, I see no likelihood that he will now. I wouldn’t choose to live that way, but apparently he’s okay with it.

    As I always say, nobody ever starts their day planning to be the primary subject in a gory picture on the front page of Los Angeles Times. But… somebody has to do it. Why not him?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  62. @Harry Baldwin

    It’s current year 2020. Get yourself a magazine fed semi-auto shotgun. Preferably AK patterned. Like a Molot Vepr 12.

    • Thanks: Kyle
  63. @Wake up

    Protecting yourself from criminals is very feasible… protecting yourself from the state’s response is the REAL problem.

    • Agree: William Badwhite, By-tor
  64. @Dumbo

    I don’t know if the powers that be realize that BLM and Gun Control are opposing narratives, I mean, if you’re going to promote chaos and protests, and defund the police, of course people will want to be armed, and if you want to promote Gun Control, well, then make people feel safe first…

    I remember watching a series on the the National Geographic Channel called Doomsday Preppers. It featured mainly non-Hispanic white males and they nearly all emphasized owning several guns. One or two were even making their own crude bullets.

    I suppose the intent of the producers was to ridicule these people. However, most of the preppers cited societal collapse as a motivation and seem vindicated today.

  65. @theMann

    Untrained people do about as well in self defense scenarios with firearms as trained people do. This idea of needing secret knowledge to point and fire at a typical self defense range is just more gassy talk from the tacticool mall ninja industry. Some BASIC gun safety (that any responsible person will find intuitive) is important but…

    Small arms are DESIGNED precisely to be simple to operate and effective with minimal training. Quit trying to convince people that they should be defenseless and scared of simple machines. That’s absolutely counterproductive and plays into antigun narratives

    • Agree: Alden
  66. @stillCARealist

    Revolvers are nigh indestructible, don’t have magazines with springs that can weaken, don’t ever get failure to feed, failure to eject or stove-piping, and can cycle ammo even if it doesn’t fire. Also, the heavier the gun the less kick and the easier to shoot as long as it’s not too heavy. They’re also more fun to load at the range than magazines and if you reload, they automatically police their own brass. A lot of them are also just gorgeous works of shiny metal mechanical art.

    At $600, Ruger GP-100 is the 2nd best handgun I’ve ever shot for how accurate my shooting with it is. The only gun I’ve shot better with was a $2500 Kimber 1911. It does weigh about 2 pounds with a 4.25″ barrel, but the factory Hogue Monogrip, while not as pretty as the old school wood grip, is the most comfortable handgun grip I’ve ever held. The only bad thing about the gun is the stock front sight, which sucks and is hard to see in dim lighting. Replace them with $40 fiber optic Williams Fire-Sights and it is like what I would imagine shooting a gun would be like if Cadillac made guns.

    Although as a large revolver fan and just on account of aesthetics I need to get a Chiappa Rhino one of these days, either a .357, .44 or .454.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
  67. @Chris Mallory

    The FBI says the average gun fight is 3 rounds in 3 seconds at 3 yards or less. Not a whole lot of move and cover.

    My main defense weapon is a 1911 Colt. I mean literally, model 1911 mfg in 1911. Cold dead fingers for sure.

    Also a Series 70.

    My walk the dog inconspicuously weapon is a 380 with hydra shock. Better than nothing.

  68. Muggles says:

    A few weeks ago I checked out my local indoor range for handguns to possibly rent and eventually purchase for legal carry. I need to try a few out first, hammerless revolvers probably.

    In the middle of a weekday I was surprised at how busy it was. Much more so than say 6 months ago. Even more surprising was the large number of very young women, some teens I think, who were lining up for the range, laughing and giggling, etc. (Yes, some social distancing but no masks).

    While this recent uptick might make my own future range visits longer, I was very pleased to see it. Not only a lot of users but smart young women learning to shoot.

    Of course I live in suburban Texas.

  69. @stillCARealist

    Don’t overestimate the training needed to operate a six-shooter.

    Same with a good, old-fashioned, double-barrel coach gun. (And, no, I’m not one of those idiots who thinks that you don’t have to aim a shotgun, but they are relatively easy to successfully employ.)

  70. @theMann

    If you don’t know how to shoot, don’t get a gun. And don’t even think about the intersection of yourself with someone who is trained, equipped, and ready to use both.

    Oh, shut up, you mall ninja. How much of this BLM/Antifa vermin do you think is “trained, equipped, and ready to use both?” And the fact is that in 90% of defensive gun uses, the gun is never even fired, just defensively displayed.

    A DAO revolver or double-barrel coach gun and some regular plinking will put one into shape to deal with this rabble in most circumstances.

  71. JMcG says:
    @Old Prude

    Throw crayons at the marines, and when they stop to eat them, hie thee off to a safe remove.

  72. J.Ross says:
    @theMann

    In Michigan a lot of gun stores also house ranges, which allow rental, so you can try out the model you’re interested in or something close, and they have regular classes. Of course, all that has been closed for the political plague period. I was in a gun store recently (funnily enough, nobody had anything but respect for the occupancy limitations and mask requirements): lots of first time buyers, but unusually compared to visits to other stores, a lot of rejections and holds. People are rushing in. I guess it’s possible but in these numbers it’s unlikely that you would not know that your record has something that would come up in the background check. Of course, the majority of their clientele at that location (not my usual) had something else in common.

  73. J.Ross says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    You are right about training. I heard nothing I didn’t already know in my CCW class, but I’m still grateful for the opportunity to check my knowledge in a systematized way, and the supervised, timed range session. However, now is the time to introduce newcomers to firearms to something more important than training and more politically profitable, which is the culture of firearms ownership. They are in the militia now, as it were.

    • Agree: Charlotte
    • Replies: @Goddard
  74. Dr. X says:
    @joe862

    A gun is a very simple machine. I’m sure training can improve your odds but the idea that you need a lot of training to point and pull the trigger is silly.

    That’s partially true. There have been tens of millions of very stupid people issued weapons by armies and police forces. But there are a lot of variables involved.

    The biggest advantage to training is instinctive knowledge of the gun under stress. Beyond that, training is very crucial for your own safety. People handle and carry weapons far more often than shooting them at others (this is also true of armies and police forces). Intimate familiarity with a weapon is a crucial safety factor for yourself and those around you.

    Finally, a lot depends on the individual situation and the type of weapon. With a double-action revolver, perhaps one could leave it untouched for 20 years in a nightstand and simply pull it out and make it go bang and hit somebody three feet away.

    But what if a round misfires? What if the assailant shoots back? What if you have a semi-auto and it jams, or you forgot how to work the safety and the mag release? Do you have the most reliable and effective ammo for the situation?

    There’s no doubt that as much training as you can get DOES pay dividends. You really don’t want to be in a situation where your life literally depends on using the gun, and discover that your own unpreparedness is going to cost you everything.

  75. anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Gun stores really want repeat neighborhood business, and do not want to be accused of gouging. Let’s face it, if you need 9mm ammo to defend your home against peaceful demonstrators, you will take it personally if the seller doubles prices overnight. Some of the internet ammo sellers have been accused of that publicly, and it will be a long time before they live it down.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  76. anonymous[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Right. Training is key.
    Remember Fredo Corleone in “The Godfather” fumbling his .38 Special (?) while his father was being shot.
    No one wants to be Fredo.

  77. @Harry Baldwin

    70 years old and lives in a nearby suburb of Minneapolis–forget about guns, time to move somewhere warmer and further out in the countryside!

    He should be focusing on strategy, not tactics.

  78. @El Dato

    I think this event of extreme importance should be properly called FLOYDDEATH

    That’s not nearly good enough to honor or sacred martyr of fentanyl. The world has started over again at Year 1. Henceforth, all events shall be marked by reference to their time before FLOYDDEATH (BF), or after the year of our Floyd (AF).

    That thing with the guy and the cross, for example, happened in 2020 BF. The start of the Kamala Harris Regency on behalf of Joe Biden will be in year 1 AF. And of course we will celebrate Floydmass/New Year’s Eve on May 25.

    • Agree: By-tor
  79. Listen for how the media says higher gun sales are leading to more violence — when it’s clearly the other way around

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  80. @joe862

    Yes, guns are simple machines. But under stress, any simple task can be flubbed. And preparing to use deadly force for self defense is very stressful.

    But you’re right to not over complicate this (like others in this thread). As a Gulf War infantry vet, I’ve alwaulys been competent with long guns. But handguns are a separate animal given the ease with which you can muzzle/shoot yourself or other innocents. Safely and quickly drawing a handgun from a concealed holster is not intuitive. It requires a bit of training and practice. Bottom line: handgun handling is a different mindset than rifle or shotgun.

    If you’re concerned mostly with a break in or home robbery confrontation, keep a high end pair of noise cancelling earmuffs with your firearm. Good ones can amplify minor sounds to your advantage. And prevent hearing damage if you have to shoot.

  81. Deckin says:
    @theMann

    As it so happens, our local range started an expansion a year or so ago and just reopened after the lockdowns eased. Went back to find a much nicer, complete facility for shooting anything up to a .30/.30 completely packed (half hour wait!) for 40 some lanes (not including shotgun range which is separate) in the central Bay Area. This is a big change.

    Techy types with AR 15s are everywhere. The gun control debate is over.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @JMcG
  82. anon[570] • Disclaimer says:

    I have figured it out.

    Jared and Brad Parscale probably own interests in gun and ammo manufacturers and retailers, so they are deliberately slow walking action by POTUS in order to drive up sales.

    Everybody knows the campaign doesn’t really start until Labor Day. Plenty of time. Nothing to worry about.

    / sarc off /

  83. anon[570] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deckin

    Techy types with AR 15s are everywhere.

    So … Zuck, et al are up-arming their staff to become muscle in case of Trust-Busting?

  84. BenKenobi says:
    @Joe Stalin

    I know it’s just quoted text, but soldiers are most certainly still issued bayonets and trained in their use.

    In 2004 some British soldiers in Iraq made a bayonet charge to great effect.

    https://www.wearethemighty.com/amp/these-british-troops-launched-a-proper-angry-bayonet-charge-during-the-iraq-war-2554844189

  85. El Dato says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Buying a gun is one way of feeling in control, despite the risks and past beliefs, according to Leonard Jason, a professor of community psychology at DePaul University.

    “It seems like it’s something you can do and you think that that is going to have an effect on the problem,” he said. “It’s really like a coping strategy. Why do people use unhealthy coping strategies, do things like overeat or smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, use drugs, do things that are not going to help but rather hurt them?

    “We often do things that are not rational,” Jason added. “What we think is right and what we think we should do is not often the same.”

    “Having a gun: Not rational”. I don’t know professor. I just don’t.

    • Replies: @iDeplorable
  86. @Known Fact

    I have to start laughing whenever the mass media and leftist types use the words “gun violence”.

    It is as if they are looking into some future dystopia, and and all these guns are flying through the air in formation taking out any humans they may encounter.

    When we get the self-driving cars, I guess there will be car violence too….

  87. A friend is a regular BART user. Knowing what’s out there, he CCW: The largest knife legally permissible.

    My teenaged son was once attacked (pushed to the ground) coming out of a BART station. For no reason. Some older creep just came up to him screaming.

    Wrecked his nice headphones. Left him stunned.

    Today (a few years later), he and some friends — all homeschool graduates — were riding in a car, on a visit, in that same part of Alameda County. A vehicle full of Oakland thugs hugged their bumper for a few miles, shouting obscenities at them the whole time.

    We anticipate soon buying our first guns. We’re looking into signing up our kids for gun safety classes.

    And we live in a safe, rural area.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  88. JMcG says:
    @Deckin

    No it’s not. They still don’t want US to have them.

  89. Add me to the list. I held off because I have young children, but the George Floyd Reign of Terror pushed me over the edge. 10-day wait in the Republic of CHAZ.

  90. notsaying says:

    I am a person who just doesn’t think about guns. I will never have one.

    It seems to me that since Obama was elected I have been reading about people buying more guns. I have to wonder: How many more guns are out there now vs. 2008? What has having millions of more guns out there done for the people who bought those guns? Do we even have those kinds of statistics?

    I realize that people have their Second Amendment rights and am not suggesting we take their guns away. But as a person who will always be a Target and not a shooter I have doubts about more guns solving our violence problem in many cases.

  91. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    So, whatever his concerns, I know that my friend will not get himself a gun and probably should not. He’s not emotionally equipped to handle it.

    So… he’s better emotionally equipped to handle this? What about his family?
    Tell your friend to grow a pair.

  92. @notsaying

    “But as a person who will always be a Target and not a shooter I have doubts about more guns solving our violence problem in many cases.”

    Sure thing. Your life, your business, your decision. That’s what being an adult is all about.

  93. @znon

    +10 on Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. It’s by Guy Ritchie, who was married to Madonna. His latest is The Gentlemen which is also quite good if you fancy, as I do, English caper movies.

    • Agree: bruce county
  94. @Chris Mallory

    The FBI says the average gun fight is 3 rounds in 3 seconds at 3 yards or less. Not a whole lot of move and cover.

    21 foot rule homie, 21 foot rule:

  95. Charlotte says:
    @Hearts on Fire

    When SHTF, the women will be cowering behind their men, as they have done for millennia.

    Read Goodrich’s book, Bloody Dawn,about Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence, Kansas, sometime. It’s full of accounts of the good citizens of Lawrence cowering behind their women. I particularly liked the guy who hid under his wife’s skirt. To be fair, Quantrill and his men were pretty scrupulous about not killing the women of Lawrence; though how the Lawrence men could have known that in advance . . . .

  96. Truth says:
    @stillCARealist

    I took a friend of mine shooting at a gun range last year, first time he had ever shot a gun. He had received some firearms from his father who was dying. He took a cheap 38 special revolver to shoot and we set the target at 10 yards; 6 shot revolver, he reloaded 3 times, 24 shots. He probably landed 3/24 shots on the paper, and all outside of the target area. He had not idea how to line the gun up through the eyesights, simple 3-dot system.

  97. Truth says:
    @Old Prude

    The most likely use of these recently acquired guns will be to ward off rapists and looters and dissipated ex-Marines(but I repeat myself), not a squad of Army Rangers. The ladies should do fine

    Agree and disagree. Agree for the next 2 years or so, then fully and completely disagree. We are in a war right now and it ain’t with looters.

  98. @Prof. Woland

    Hey Steve,

    Am I on some type of shit list at Unz? I am in moderator purgatory.

  99. @The Wild Geese Howard

    There is no way that there is that little recoil on the .50 cal. Been there and done that. You get rocked.
    I know….. its a movie.

  100. @anonymous

    Do they ever put gory pictures on the front page of the Los Angeles Times? It’s a very dignified, genteel newspaper covering a not very dignified city.

    On Michael Kinsley’s first day on the job at the L.A. Times, one story up for consideration was a madman randomly decapitating the 90-something formerly Blacklisted screenwriter of “The Creature from the Black Lagoon.” The editors decided to run a paragraph on an inside page.

    Kinsley asked, “Who do you have to decapitate in this town to make the front page?”

    • Replies: @Thomas
  101. Thomas says:

    “Gun sales up 48%…”

    I wonder how much DIY production of guns is up. What the media calls “ghost guns.” The powers that be are clearly very afraid of that. Rhode Island just banned them. But the ability to do that sort of home-based manufacturing is in a golden age right now.

    Most of my social circle of choice (meaning not work or family) carries on a regular basis, and Polymer80 “Glocks” have been becoming increasingly popular.

  102. Thomas says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Funny, but that line in N.W.A’s “Boyz-n-the-Hood” “one sucka dead, L.A. Times front page” always stuck out to me for that reason. I’d be surprised if a dead body in Compton had ever made the front page of the Times.

  103. @Harry Baldwin

    The only serious drawback to a shotgun as a home defense weapon is that people have the impression that the pattern forms at the muzzle, rather than taking distance to spread out; A shotgun has to be pointed just as accurately as a rifle out to about 15 feet (not all that difficult on a human size target) and its best range is about 15 yards.

    Self-loaders and slide actions have their advantages but how many home defenders won their war on shot 3+? As you mention, the manual of arms is more complex, and may be forgotten in a life-threatening situation.

  104. @anonymous

    Start with a .22. A new shooter should be introduced to sight alingment and trigger control before he encounters blast and recoil, which are not inconsequential with a 9mm Parabellum. A shooter who develops a flinch often takes many sessions of remedial training to rid himsef of it.

    • Replies: @Kyle
  105. @Mr. Anon

    You’re correct that most sociopaths are poor marksmen. But not invariably; Clyde Barrow was quite good.

  106. Thomas says:

    I’m LOLing a bit at revolver-loving fuddery in comments. I suppose a revolver has some advantages if you’re just going to leave it in the night table and might need something to go bang in the night sometime in the future. Don’t need to worry about needing to know if a round is chambered, magazine springs, any of that business.

    It’s increasingly seen as a settled issue though among the people I know who professionally train new shooters who actually want to learn how to shoot that a compact- or full-size 9mm semiautomatic (think Glock 19 as the paradigm) is the place to start. They’re easier, more accurate, and more comfortable to shoot in general, especially for a new shooter. Setting up some 98 pound woman looking at her first gun with a <15 oz .38 snubnose with +P ammunition is a running gag I've heard a few times.

    Incidentally, I took the wife out not too long ago for our first time at the range and let her run through a selection from my collection. Her favorite? My two-tax-stamp .300 BLK suppressed SBR. Quiet and low recoil.

  107. vhrm says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why not get out of here (CA)? the weather IS pretty great, but the politics…

  108. Alden says:
    @notsaying

    Owning a handgun or 2 for self defense is an individual decision and action that has nothing to do with the larger society or ending crime in the larger society or making the larger society safer.

    It’s an individual decision, like I don’t know, buying a new couch or car or a woman deciding to dye her hair or let it go gray. Gun violence is just a liberal term for murder , manslaughter, assault and battery with great bodily injury . It’s a relatively new term. Used to be just crime statistics.

    Guns are not violent any more than kitchen knives hammers baseball bats feet and fists are violent.

  109. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Whatever your political predilections, one true fact remains:

    Guns cut the bullshit.

  110. El Dato says:
    @anonymous

    But prices carry the important signal of “scarcity”.

    This has lost meaning nowadays when the government can buy anything in exchange for worthless paper with the notice on it that “the taxpayer will have to work for the next 5 years without pay to cover the actual worth”, but so it goes.

    The alternative being, the seller runs out of stock, and then the potential buyer will have to wait, possibly for a long time. Defend your home for tonight is then not on.

  111. @Jack Armstrong

    This great philosopher also suggested that practice shouldn’t be a concern. “I mean, listen, we’re talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, we talking about practice. Not a game.”

  112. Goddard says:
    @J.Ross

    However, now is the time to introduce newcomers to firearms to something more important than training and more politically profitable, which is the culture of firearms ownership.

    Bought my first pistol this week. In one of the stores two of the clerks were young, thin, long-haired, non-tatted white chicks. They seem destined for motherhood and the production of fine conservative sons. In the other store a clerk as friendly as he was burly gave me an hour’s free training.

    The feeling of kinship with the clerks and the customers was immediate and mutual. Welcome to gun culture.

  113. @notsaying

    We benefit from guns even if we don’t own them because the criminals can never be sure who has one and who doesn’t. If I were a burglar the first place I would break into would be a house with a BLM sign in the window.

    I think this is one of the things that drives blacks / liberals crazy about conceal carry. They are always at risk that their feral children will attack the wrong guy just like poor innocent Trayvon. Guns are a fitness test. I converts a 5’2″ middle age woman into the equivalent of Michael Brown in terms of lethality which must be hard on thugs who are already struggling for a place on the dominance hierarchy.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  114. @joe862

    the idea that you need a lot of training to point and pull the trigger is silly. If someone’s in your house and you see them first you’ll most likely be able to hit them.

    If by “most likely” you mean less than a 50% chance you’re correct. Even well-trained police, Marines, etc frequently miss from less than 15 feet if surprised. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I’ve never been interested in guns

    This is obvious from your lack of knowledge.

    I’ve been poking around lately andit seems like the gun nuts are the ones enthusiastic about firing their .44 in the bathroom.

    You should find different places to poke around. Nobody is enthusiastic about “firing their .44 in the bathroom”.

    Your antipathy towards “gun nuts” and your belief someone with a Phd is automatically competent reveals you to be an effete’ leftist. You are part of the problem, not the solution, best you stay away from guns.

  115. @El Dato

    “Leonard A. Jason is the son of Jay Jason, a well known comedian who entertained in the Catskills Mountains”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_A._Jason

    “Barely 19 years of age, he [Jay Jason] left the University of Rochester after two years for his first major club date, and changed his name from Jonas Levy to Jay Jason (sometimes in the media his last name was spelled Jayson). It was a common practice in those days for Jewish entertainers to change their names”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Jason

  116. @Prof. Woland

    God created man but Col. Colt made them equal.

    • Agree: JMcG
  117. Wilkey says:

    I think the question, when the United States does finally decide to break up, is who gets all the diversity? I sure as hell wouldn’t want to deprive the blue states of all the diversity they could have.

    • Agree: Kyle
  118. Kyle says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    But some big strong men in here might want to start with something a little more powerful than a 22. That’s like telling a man who wants to buy a sport bike they need to start with a 400 cause they just can’t handle the power of a 650. But then they pay full price for a 400, and eventually they’re going to need a 650 because they’re big, and they need to resell the 400 but you never get full value back. Especially if they’re fat, the funniest thing possible is a fat guy on a little bike.

  119. Kyle says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I tried tripe soup from a Mexican restaurant the other day. It’s not bad, it’s beefy tasting and makes a great broth. But the look of it freaks me out! I wasn’t expecting the honey comb structure.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  120. Kyle says:
    @theMann

    breath control, trigger control – not instinctive

    Umm, yeah actually it is. I get what you’re saying though. I’m a first team all state swimmer. I’m pretty sure I’ve got breath control nailed down.
    I’m pretty sure I could just pick up a gun and be sick with it right away. I’m good at everything I do.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  121. @Kyle

    Well Kyle you are good at boasting. LOL…
    One thing your are NOT is bulletproof.
    There are lots of dead hero’s.
    Don’t be a hero.

  122. Yngvar says:
    @Lars Porsena

    Revolvers are nigh indestructible

    Had a trigger spring fail on a double-action. Made it useless in both modes, and was difficult to repair.

  123. @Kyle

    Kyle, yes, the look is off putting but the sauce made the meal, or in your case the broth.

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