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The 250th anniversary of Beethoven’s birth in 1770 is this December 16, more or less (he was baptized on December 17, so born on December 16 is the best guess). But this being 2020, when Black Is Best and White Is Worst, the nicest thing anybody can think to say about Ludwig van is that in a few engravings, he kind of sort of looks like an octoroon.
From The Guardian:
‘Beethoven was black’: why the radical idea still has power today
He helped galvanise the US civil rights movement, and today sparks intense debate about cultural dominance and the musical canon. In his 250th anniversary year can we listen to Beethoven and what he represents with fresh ears?
Philip Clark
Mon 7 Sep 2020
Exactly 80 years after Beethoven’s death, in 1907, the British composer Samuel Coleridge-Taylor began speculating that Beethoven was black.
Note: Samuel Coleridge-Taylor is not the same person as Samuel Taylor Coleridge, author of “Kubla Khan.”
Colderidge-Taylor was mixed race – with a white English mother and a Sierra Leonean father – and said that he couldn’t help noticing remarkable likenesses between his own facial features and images of Beethoven’s. Having recently returned from the segregated US, Coleridge-Taylor projected his experiences there onto the German composer. “If the greatest of all musicians were alive today, he would find it impossible to obtain hotel accommodation in certain American cities.”
His words would prove prophetic. During the 1960s, the mantra “Beethoven was black” became part of the struggle for civil rights. By then Coleridge-Taylor had been dead for 50 years and was all but forgotten, but as campaigner Stokely Carmichael raged against the deeply ingrained assumption that white European culture was inherently superior to black culture, the baton was passed. “Beethoven was as black as you and I,” he told a mainly black audience in Seattle, “but they don’t tell us that.” A few years earlier, Malcolm X had given voice to that same idea when he told an interviewer that Beethoven’s father had been “one of the blackamoors that hired themselves out in Europe as professional soldiers”.
“Beethoven was black” became a refrain chanted on a San Francisco soul music radio station and, in 1969, hit mass consciousness when Rolling Stone magazine ran a story headlined: “Beethoven was black and proud!” …
Was Beethoven black? The evidence is scant and inconclusive. The case rests on two possibilities: that Beethoven’s Flemish ancestors married Spanish “blackamoors” of African descent, or that Beethoven’s mother had an affair. But the truth Carmichael and Malcolm X sought was not scientific. “Beethoven was black” was a grand metaphor designed to unsettle and shake certainty.
Had Beethoven been black, would he have been classed as a canonical composer? And what about other black composers lost in history?
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“Fake but accurate.”
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the “the black tail wags the white dog.” This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always “the Irish tail wagging the English dog.”
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group’s affect on the majority group’s actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group’s contribution to the majority group.
I’ve heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large “bustles” on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women’s behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how “tanning” was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It’s lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.
This is code for “piss off Whitey.” Black Power folk were often just trolls. No reason to puff them up, except the obvious. (Black supremacy, I mean.)
“Beethoven was black,” based on zero evidence (not inconclusive evidence, but zero evidence), is about as clear a case of Cultural Appropriation as you can get. At least it shows good taste, if black appropriators bothered listening.
Not to mention acute group insecurity.
never did I ever expect to grow up and discover that white people are indeed a derivative of original Black people, and so are all other people..that the human species according o almost every modern anthropologist I have read call all the people in the world Black..that they are all niggers running around under a rainbow of skin tones that hides their Black fact..at least to them.
that Beethoven was Black is no like impossibility at all. he was in fact Black even if his skin was white. and there were more Black people in the world Black in those days than white. all of North Africa was Black all the way into Palestine and Europe. on the walls of a Pyramid in Egypt there is a black chronology on the walls with kings-royalty stretching back 36 thousand years, that white European scholarship refuses to deal with, hides that fact as best it could as it displays fully the short ephemeral nature of white history as such
simply by the nature of the population of that day as well as this one it was easy for Beethoven to have been anything at all Fro Dark Black to mixed to white. the dismissal of this likelihood is based on the assumption that white people were always superior to Blacks and there is no way Beethoven by dint of his professional achievement could not have been Black in any way as Black people were in no way capable f producing and educating sch as Beethoven
that in fact is the real lunacy in the issue for originally it is Europe who were savages..indeed are still savages at this time given the unchanging, limitless savagery of white people in the world from the moment they entered history to currently
I don,t care what skin color Beethoven was actually, because I know the racial nature of the human species. more importantly, I used to try to account for the nasty behavior of Black people ever since I was a kid growing up Black in the world..in which I often found that Black people were no less nasty than white people socially..in their majority..despite our history at the hands of whites under slavery-colonialism-racism.
there is the answer right there. Black people were always nasty though not in genocidal savagery like white people. Naw! I take that back! Black people have carried out genocides as well as African history exposes, -lots of them. so genocide was there from the start..not exclusively a European derivative
so there you have humanity..the whole goddamn kit and package of humanity..a Black affair from start to finish..the white aspect, development and participation, a late and lunatic embellishment of savagery on an already violent base.
and that is the thing with religion and its nonsense. religion is based on principle, on good and bad and all that nonsense! there is no good and bad in life..only cause and effect. if you want a result that meets your need you have to find out how you get that results..i.e what to do to get it and proceed to do so or you have no chance. that is all of life..period. and in that way all behavior is ..and can be...brought into line with survival. forcing ourselves to live by baseless principle, for principle sake, is insane and contributes to all the rotten issues we have placed in our own way that impedes and sets back human survival
so for humanity to have an indefinite chance in nature we must come to know nature inside out and to achieve any such fact we must organize society to produce that result. to know we must have all the people educated and productive and living to the best of their abilities. that is how we would produce the wealth of knowledge about existence which alone, along with the technology derived from it, would guarantee collective survival
I am tired of all this race crap..one of the truly backward contributions of white people to the content of human life at this time and stage. I am tired of exploitative society which is a Sword of Damocles hanging over human society. Race is crazy, lunatic, inaccurate nonsense! there is no doubt remaining, none at all that the human species evolved out of Black people..is in fact a black people. jump high jump low what you gonna do!!!!Replies: @anon, @Muggles, @R.G. Camara
Thorstein Veblen's "Theory of the Leisure" class explains a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201209/when-is-tan-socially-desirableReplies: @Bill
Or do you mean the current diplomatic disaster that the London has lurched into? With the US Congress and the EU Commission both promising retaliation if England carries out its threat to unilaterally abrogate the Good Friday Agreement?Replies: @Anonymous
Also, if Beethoven was black, why don’t they like (or even respect) his music?
Because Ludwig wasn't black. Because classical music is a language Africans are not wired to understand. They understand that which is not difficult to understand: rhythm. Rhythm is universal.
They only play his music at funerals, block parties and BBQ's.
For the same reason that black elites love to claim Alexander Pushkin when they know nothing of Russian literature and couldn't care less about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOrMg3pY7hw
Whites are the ones who kept Jazz alive for decades after it had died off in popularity. Talented Tenthers enjoy it as well, especially as it is their accomplishment, but without whites patronizing all the Jazz festivals and paying for the albums and documentaries it would've been forgotten.
No, but George Zimmerman is.
Well, thanks to the Avengers movies, we know that Heimdall is black.
Confucius also possessed a keen sense of rhythm, and it was quite a challenge for his servants to get his hair shaped into a ponytail.
Buddha also has curly hair in his pictures and statues.
http://northcoastgardening.com/2010/08/buddhist-snail-martyrs/
Well, this guy was blue.
So I guess anything is possible.
https://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-07Ced410
Can anyone find a downside to more racial polarization?
The great long term threat to Whites is integration, assimilation, etc.
Relentlessly debunked. Relentlessly recrudesces.
"He was simply swarthy." European musician + swarthy = Gypsy?
Blackity black… ♩♪♫♬
…you always heard that wrong! Ta da da my ass!
Who they can’t cancel, they will blackwash. The end result is the same: no more white male heroes of history and art.
Before answering this question, one must first decide whether Beethoven was a good guy or a bad guy.
I’m always amused by the emphasis placed on Alexander Dumas’ “blackness.” He was a quarter black. Possibly even less. The great “shocking revelation” at the end of Tarantino’s “Django Unchained” is that the “ignorant racist southerner” has a copy of one of Dumas’ books on his bookshelf and didn’t even realize he was “black!”
What a revelation, the most accomplished “black man” in the history of European art art and science was only three quarter white! Astonishing really.
The second most accomplished “black man” was Pushkin and he was only 7/8th white. Amazing.
https://medium.com/@mischling2nd/its-not-rachel-dolezal-who-s-crazy-but-the-ridiculous-racist-and-contradictory-definitions-of-7a1da0a404f0
Moors weren’t black.
We have lots of paintings of the Spanish Netherlands, and I don’t recall ever seeing an African. The only africans in european paintings from that era are single exotics to entertain royal courts alongside dwarves and jugglers.
Here’s one of the region’s masterpieces that depicts many both Dutch and Spanish and local allied soldiers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Surrender_of_Breda
These are his two brothers:
It doesn’t rule out the affair theory, but it should lay to rest any claims that he inherited some significant portion of black genes from his parents.
Beethoven’s Blackness could save his music from being cancelled. It’s nothing to sweep under the rug, even if there will probably never be proof.Replies: @Prof. Woland
Sailer why does a “smart guy” like you waste your time on such droll nonsense?
These are artist renderings not photographs!
And Beethoven doesn’t look the least bit black he looks Germanic.
Here’s the answer. This guy is part-black, and so, because African influence in the development of science and art is basically zero, he feels ashamed and wants to claim anyone who has 0.0001% Subsaharan genes as part of his race.
Now, of course, it’s not only blacks doing this, but the Big Media. The other day Google had a black as coal Alexandre Dumas in their doodles. He looked like Morgan Freeman. Well, Dumas was 1/8th black (one grandmother). Yes, he had curly hair, but otherwise he looked more white than black.
Pushkin has even less African heritage and looks.
Of course, if Africans had a lot of famous writers and scientists, then they would not need to claim anyone whom they suspect of having some very vague African heritage.
Also, it’s amusing that “race doesn’t exist”, but, “Beethoven was black” because a remote possibility of 0.0001% “black” DNA. You can’t win.
If Beethoven had some African DNA it a was a tiny amount, so this is much ado about nothing. Now the Left likes the one drop rule?
https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/September/130924/4B9141931-tdy_snyderman_blue_080107.fit-760w.jpg
So I guess anything is possible.
https://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDz75iaSW2sReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @jamie b., @Trinity
So, was this blue man a Person of Color or not? Serious question, BTW.
But what about the other black guy from the general german area that everyone remembers?
Angry, psychotic, crazy ideas, suddenly goes on a rampage?
Was Hitler really Black?
By the way, White IS a color.
That’s the banner people should start raiding in public peaceful protests.
If it’s a part of Crayola Crayon box, then it’s a color.
Have you met any? They might as well be.
http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.htmlReplies: @Reg Cæsar
The white race produces a lot of larger than life personalities. That’s just a fact.
So you’d think that non-white people would grab some of the white glory by claiming to be partly white.
But that was the old world.
In our new world non-whites make ridiculous claims about famous whites actually being non-white.
There are no recent high profile instances of any non-whites bragging about partial white ancestry.
Why doesn’t today’s white privilege trigger a stampede of non-white people’s claims of ancestral white heritage?
“sparks intense debate about cultural dominance and the music canon”
No.
Firstly, what they’re referring to is not a “debate.” I believe it’s conditioning and focus-testing as part of the ongoing juggernaut roll over Western civilization. The side which would prefer for such a roll to stop has zero say.
Secondly, the same people pretending Beethoven needs to be talked about (i.e. someone needs to be lectured to with Beethoven as example) already have “cultural dominance.” No one composes music like Beethoven anymore. Except occasionally for movies I guess.
Thirdly, the canon? Either Beethoven will be in it or there will be no canon. Simple as that. There’s no hope of finding enough Scott Joplins to drown him out.
More importantly, Beeethoven didn’t “spark” anything. No one sat down and listened to Beethoven then jolted up in their seat yelling to themselves: “I must write an article about the Unbearable Whiteness and Whateverness of classical music. That wouldn’t happen. (Or, if it did, the product would be far more eccentric.)
Beethoven was chosen arbitrarily because he is one of the most famous composers. Pretty much everyone likes his music. That’s it.
We could just as easily be talking about Bach or Mozart. Wagner, too, if that dead horse had not already been beaten for political material these past 170 or so years
What a revelation, the most accomplished "black man" in the history of European art art and science was only three quarter white! Astonishing really.
The second most accomplished "black man" was Pushkin and he was only 7/8th white. Amazing.Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Matt Buckalew, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Lloyd1927
Niels Bohr was half a jew and half Goy. Who gets to claim him?
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
“Designed to unsettle and shake certainty”
This is code for “piss off Whitey.” Black Power folk were often just trolls. No reason to puff them up, except the obvious. (Black supremacy, I mean.)
“Beethoven was black,” based on zero evidence (not inconclusive evidence, but zero evidence), is about as clear a case of Cultural Appropriation as you can get. At least it shows good taste, if black appropriators bothered listening.
The only position for composers in the movement is prone.
At the risk of opening another can of black worms, the Beet looks more than a little like Orion Welles to me…
This reminds me of Batman and Robin trying to solve one of the Riddler’s riddles:
Some of Beethoven’s ancestors were from Flanders
Spanish people could be found there
Some Spaniards had African blood because the Moors conquered part of Spain for a while
Therefore, Beethoven could possibly sorta maybe kinda be Moorish?
Meanwhile, there are actual black composers. I’d rather be talking about Duke Ellington
There’s some humorous bits of dialogue in Mervyn LeRoy’s “A Majority of One”, where whenever a famous person is mentioned, the ethnic Jews from
Brooklyn proclaim “You know, he could be Jewish.” This is taken to full absurdity when the family visits Japan and they hear a local Japanese who’s fairly Westernized exclaim about the same celebrity “You know, he could be Japanese.”Except in this case the powers that be decided to play along with the dark proles and encourage them to continue in this line of thinking. One thing led to another, and here we are discussing why Beethoven could be black. After all, many blacks believe that Jesus is black so why not Beethoven?
Or, like some other Germans, Beethoven looks like he got off the plane from India?
My Cuban grandma is part Black, and you’d never know from looking at her. She even has blue eyes.
Beethoven’s Blackness could save his music from being cancelled. It’s nothing to sweep under the rug, even if there will probably never be proof.
Moorish descent in Europe is surprisingly miniscule.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There’s a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it’s not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age…
https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2019/12/clinal-differences-in-pigmentation.htmlOctoroons? Phoenicians? Where do you get this stuff? Ever hear of Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia? They had dark hair/eyes, and that's only like the biggest ancestry in Europe, especially Southern Europe:
(Map on the right)
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I would guess it's not impossible that the Spanish outside of Andalusia never mixed with the Moors or the Andalusians but they would probably share a lot of the same ancestors anyway (your Phoenicians or Iberian hunter gatherers or something). Steppe nomads from the stone age makes me think Ukrainians.
The moors just didn’t settle in spain in any large numbers. They didn’t even fully replace the elite. The “Moorish” statelets in Spain were typically old Visigothic-Roman nobles who nominally converted to Islam. What migration that did happen was also heavily reversed in the reconquest and inquisition.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
Portuguese tend to have a little bit (low single digit percentage?) of sub-Saharan ancestry because they set off for Africa 600 years ago: e.g., soccer great Ronaldo looks like about 1/16th black. I don’t get the impression that Spaniards have even a few percentage points of black ancestry. I don’t think they have much Amerindian ancestry either, except for their cool Duke of Moctezuma who is descended from the Aztec king. But they probably will be a little mestizo in the future due to the immigration policies of the early 20th Century that invited in Spanish-speaking Latin Americans.
As to the future, does Spain, like all of the West, have one ? So the adverb probably seems a little presumptuous.
If you like the underwear pics, feel free to keep that to yourself.Replies: @GoRedWings!
Now that modern people have an average of only two kids, black genes can get filtered out pretty quickly.
The "typical" Spaniard is a Celt with some Med ancestry: white skin, brown hair with occasional blue and green eyes.
Now, the Spanish upper class is *strongly* Visigothic. Even today, the word "Godo"("Goth") is a common pejorative term for Spaniard in Latin America. The Kingdoms of Castilla and Asturias were both founded by Visigothic kings. Here is princess Leonor, the Crown Princess of Spain. As you can see, she is a natural blond with baby blue eyes.
There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America. Not only because she is a real pricesss, but because of her beauty and her sense of style and elegance. They try to mimick her way of dressing, but even rich girls can't afford all her attire. It is easy to be a stunning dresser when you have the National Treasury paying for it(because the Nation wants thier Crown Princess to look as stunning as possible). She truly looks like a fairy tale princess straight out of a Grimm Brothers story: https://youtu.be/V2NNFZM557QReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Bill Jones
This black Beethoven is so 20th C.
We could do better with Muslim Beethoven:
Does this mean I can listen to his fifth symphony again?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/are-they-going-to-come-for-beethoven-too/
I’m so confused.
Anyway, off topic: my favourite Beethoven piano sonata is one that I put together myself: the first movement of the Moonlight, followed by the second and third movements of the Appassionata. I like the Walter Klien interpretation:
I guess pretty soon we’ll learn that white orchestras playing Beethoven is cultural appropriation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6s6YKlTpfw
It’s a shame the vast majority of black classical music was swallowed up by the jungle along with the pyramids and flying machines, but a good thing that some carried through to the DNA of MC Ludwig-V.
OT
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8739403/2-000-Hasidic-Jews-gather-Ukraines-border-barred-entry-Belarus.html
I didn’t realise that travel from Belarus was barred. On whose orders I wonder?
He looks like Eric Burdon to me.
Beethoven was Black.
Walter Murphy, a white man, just stole Beethoven’s supposedly “lost” arrangement for Symphony No. 5 and passed it off as his own. No white man could have written this.
It's going on your permanent record, young man.
Of course the layers of cultural appropriation are onion-like on this one. A black Beethoven wrote his Symphony, blacks invented Disco (just part of the general decay of American black musical culture since Blind Willie Johnson) and then a white guy stole both of their cultural artifacts to enrich himself.
The injustice.Replies: @guest
Black Ludwig van Beethoven = Black dong be en white vulva.
Only slightly O/T ….
Here it is in black face….
Here it is as its White self …
Definitely cuter as a PoC
womanthing.This is the real stuff.
True indeed.
See some clips from Samuel Bronson’s 1964 epic Fall of the Roman Empire, especially for the Forum/Roman crowd scenes. Possibly the most Nordic-looking “Rome” ever filmed. All of it was filmed at Bronson’s studios near Madrid in 1963.
It would be great fun to think the Roman Empire actually looked like that. The Republic, maybe. But not the empire.
And Beethoven also invented the light bulb. Why don’t we teach this stuff in school?
What does it matter if Beethoven were black? According the film Copying Beethoven, a woman portrayed by German actress Diane Kruger wrote all of Beethoven’s music.
Ronaldo is from Madeira. Portuguese tend to look down on Madeirans, who are regarded as low class, mongrel dead beats – the lowest form of Portuguese life. The insinuation is that most of them have some negro ancestry. So Ronaldo tends to get “tarred” with the same brush. But without proof, it’s just speculation if he has some small amount of negro ancestry or not.
I think you mean the immigration policies of the early 21st Century, when the population was swelled by 13% and more, mostly from Latin America. Most of them were the descendants of peninsulares, it must be said.
As to the future, does Spain, like all of the West, have one ? So the adverb probably seems a little presumptuous.
Walter Murphy, a white man, just stole Beethoven's supposedly "lost" arrangement for Symphony No. 5 and passed it off as his own. No white man could have written this.
https://youtu.be/j7SzwugqiXcReplies: @Mr McKenna, @Wade Hampton
Oh, thanks so very much for posting that.
It’s going on your permanent record, young man.
Was Beethoven Black ?
C’mon, Globohomos, you can do better than this.
Was Mozart gay ? Was Wagner Jewish ? Was Bach transgender ?
Get to work!
Meanwhile, down in El Paso…
Isaiah destroys Jesus
Isaiah and his work
Police said the perp, Isaiah Cantrell, told them the “skin color of the statue was the wrong color.” Cantrell reportedly remarked that “Jesus was Jewish and therefore should be a darker skin color.”
https://kvia.com/news/crime/2020/09/15/jesus-statue-decapitated-in-brazen-vandalism-attack-at-el-pasos-st-patricks-cathedral/
Isaiah destroys Jesus
https://gray-kwtx-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/epxX76GFTM9Zh3S943Oc1UV5Ja4=/980x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/B6CPIPMBI5ENPCU4WGLUFUHDOE.jpg
Isaiah and his work
Police said the perp, Isaiah Cantrell, told them the "skin color of the statue was the wrong color." Cantrell reportedly remarked that "Jesus was Jewish and therefore should be a darker skin color."
https://kvia.com/news/crime/2020/09/15/jesus-statue-decapitated-in-brazen-vandalism-attack-at-el-pasos-st-patricks-cathedral/Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon
Isaiah knows wassup. He’s been drinking and watching TV. Yo, Isaiah!
Stuff like this is when I actually feel sorry for blacks – from claims of being the real Jews, having ruled Egypt, to various giants of politics/culture being secretly black, it all has a grasping quality that 90% of people recognize straight off.
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today’s culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America’s most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.
America will be the base from which the Black Planet will be birthed. Chuck Heston will find out all about it in the distant future. I hope he's able to come back through time and warn us about it.
https://lastapostle.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/king-james.jpg
Later painting:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/king-james-i-4.jpg
Here's the opinion of a 19th century french noble, upon visiting Egypt; definitely a white guy...https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/ce/ad/edceaddfcd28f3d138e9099e4d87b70d.jpgReplies: @Hans
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Even in my children's politically-correct school, where everybody gets a ribbon and no one is excluded, at lunch hour the children form into groups: Vietnamese, Chinese, Blacks, Whites, Indian, East Indian, Mexican.
People don't want to be assimilated. That's why they invented multiculturalism - to entice them to come. Otherwise, most wouldn't want to come; they don't want to lose their culture.
This is ingrained in all of us. We protect and talk-up our own group. Bias, discrimination, prejudice, racism is universal. The sooner we realize this, the better.
All groups are continually vying for top spot. At the moment the minority Blacks and Jews are taking on the Whites, trying to break them down and get special favors for themselves. The Blacks are being used. No way they came up with the idea that Beethoven might have been black on their own. They are being fed this information, and guess who owns the media?
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
Blacks have a number of odd and disturbing beliefs……… the process of shoving them down everybody’s throat has begun.
Bach was Mongolian? The evidence is scant and inconclusive.
Coleridge-Taylor was highly celebrated in his day on both sides of the Atlantic. He wrote three cantatas based on Longfellow’s The Song of Hiawatha and did three tours of the US before his untimely death, was received by President T. Roosevelt, etc. etc. That’s how the horrible racist Americans behaved toward their hated inferiors back then…
(On one of those tours he played at the Norfolk Chamber Music Festival, in the exquisite Music Shed in tiny Norfolk, CT. I can’t recommend it highly enough should you ever find yourself in the Berkshires in summer: https://music.yale.edu/norfolk.)
My mother was an ardent genealogist before computers made it very easy. She compiled family trees for both sides of the family. I had a copy of her report, which included photos, I noticed my great-great maternal grandma had noticeably dark skin. I jokingly speculated that we had a Native American ancestor. I got around to buying a DNA test and learned my profile suggested 3% North African DNA. I’m tempted to start identifying as black just to be contrary.
Also OT
https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/alist/jerry-harris-cheer-lawsuit-minors-solicitation-a4548681.html
Netflix seems to be establishing a some sort of evidence trail/track record, what with Cuties.
Was Ludwig von Beethoven black? This question was explored in the early Saturday Night Live broadcasts. Here we see Jim Belushi as Beethoven, exploring melodic impulses not covered by the Kinsky–Halm Catalogue:
Finally, the transformation is complete; was Beethoven Black?
Actually, he looks Dutch, sort of like Babe Ruth.
Personally, I self-identify as Neanderthal (one drop rule applies)
Beethoven is nothing. Joe Biden told me that Thomas Edison was black! Thomas Edison!
So whenever you turn on that light, remember to thank the black man. Thank you, black man!
https://i.imgur.com/6cyj5ZT.pngReplies: @George
The location of remains believed to be Beethoven’s is known, so if ya gotz to know you can test them.
“He was simply swarthy.” European musician + swarthy = Gypsy?
Moors did NOT look black:
http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html
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"The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."
American Commissioners to John Jay, 28 March 1786
What Was America's First Terrorist Threat? Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates
Would you want these people as neighbors?
https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/52/57/258510086-martin-luther-king-jr-leader-i-look-to-a-day-when-people-will-not-be.jpg
Everyone knows Beethoven was brown AND white:
When I was more into the piano I did some deep dives into forgotten classical music of the past, through books as well as recordings and sheet music. My conclusion was that there is probably not much in the way of lost and forgotten masters out there. I think the right tail tends to be sparsely populated and spread out, and it tends to be obvious who the geniuses are versus the merely very competent. It’s a weird comparison, but figure skating is similar. You have composers like Mahler whose recognition was slightly delayed, but a lot of that can be put down to the public’s resistance to new styles, which you see in pop music also. As far as forgotten black masters, be real. Finding such a composer would make your career. And the recognition of Scott Joplin disproves the whole notion.
Blah blah blah. Old and fake news. Groids have said the same BS about Babe Ruth. Yawn.
Gheyboy Malcolm X did assert (with no evidence) that Beethoven was black in his “autobiography” written with fellow ghey blechperson Alex Haley. He also said in the same crappy book that Christopher Columbus was black.
That was in the 1960s, when Columbus was regarded as a hero and great explorer. So why not throw it in the shtskins’ faces that Columbus, the evil oppressor of the indigenous, was a brutha?
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
Only someone who’s never seen an old anthropology book would be surprised by that. Pigmentation is clinal throughout Europe and within all European nations:
https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2019/12/clinal-differences-in-pigmentation.html
Octoroons? Phoenicians? Where do you get this stuff? Ever hear of Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia? They had dark hair/eyes, and that’s only like the biggest ancestry in Europe, especially Southern Europe:
(Map on the right)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW5a0kesdf4
Finally, the transformation is complete; was Beethoven Black?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQRBIWrUXR4Replies: @Anon7
Too early – that’s obviously John Belushi, but that’s what you get when you die of a drug overdose when you’re only 33 and your less talented brother takes over.
Beethoven might not be black, but the US Army is mostly black (and brown) :
Bonus Soros name check included free of charge.
What about an alphabetical “blacklist” of disputed or partially black famous people.
I’ll start with
Aesop
Beethoven
Cleopatra
Dumas
This “moors are African” stuff happens a lot.
Here’s a picture from Morocco.
Charlemagne however was a black Ethiopian moor and Roland was a Negrito from the Philippines.
https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/charlemagne-the-moor-and-the-negrito-royalty-of-the-holy-roman-empire-marc-washingtons-perspectives/
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-70RFnuLTqtk/WCOnNDFOzXI/AAAAAAAACG8/P_vVD32jKIUNi8KHvv-aTYc698xr--vOACEw/s1600/Charlemagne_min.jpg
Had Beethoven been black, would he have been classed as a canonical composer?
Geez, he would have been completely ignored, just like Alexandre Dumas and Sergei Pushkin
The strongest argument for Beethoven being black is that he is the true innovator of ragtime and jazz, having written many pieces prefiguring that idiom. Therefore, the music he wrote was too cool to be written by a white person. Therefore, either he was black or he culturally appropriated his music from an unaccredited black man.
In truth, blacks were highly suggestible as musicians. The Irish have been pissing and moaning about hard times in their music since the dawn of time, and the blacks turned that into the Blues. Scott Joplin studied Beethoven with white teachers since his youth and no doubt glommed onto syncopation because of the way it “feels,” turning an occasional stylistic quirk of a well known white composer into the Ragtime genre. Eventually Ragtime turned into Jazz, but with a lot of help from Jewish composers like Ira Gershwin.
Picture won’t display because it’s trying to use https but that site only uses http.
Its all about demoralizing the white man.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
Well, what is the standard for moor DNA? North Africa is mostly Berbers and Arabs and historically north Africa has had a lot of European (including northern European like Visigoth) introgression.
I would guess it’s not impossible that the Spanish outside of Andalusia never mixed with the Moors or the Andalusians but they would probably share a lot of the same ancestors anyway (your Phoenicians or Iberian hunter gatherers or something). Steppe nomads from the stone age makes me think Ukrainians.
In that engraving Beethoven looks blacker than Alexandre Dumas, who doesn’t look that black in photographs.
Had the rendering been done in oil rather than through engraving, this darkening would not be present, as the delineation of the facial contours would have been accomplished through an entirely different technique.
Moors were what we would today call North Africans i.e. Libyans, Moroccans etc. So yes they were African, but Arabs not negroes.
Certainly couldn’t have asked him, because he wouldn’t have heard you.
The Moors or the Moops?
You mean early 21th century? In the arly 20th century, Spaniards were emigrating in droves to Argentina and Cuba.
Beethoven’s Blackness could save his music from being cancelled. It’s nothing to sweep under the rug, even if there will probably never be proof.Replies: @Prof. Woland
One of the perceived accomplishments blacks are proud of is music so the idea of some white guy composing masterpieces 200 years ago using full symphony orchestra while their ancestors were banging on primitive drums and chanting songs without a melody must be galling. Well there it is.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
In addition to little Moorish blood, the Spaniards have significant Jewish DNA. About 20 percent of the current population of the Iberian Peninsula has Sephardic Jewish ancestry and 25% of Latinos in Latin America have Jewish DNA. https://www.jpost.com/magazine/genetic-research-almost-25-percent-of-latinos-hispanics-have-jewish-dna-581959
Meanwhile, there are actual black composers. I’d rather be talking about Duke EllingtonReplies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
The faulty logic in the theorem lies with making the assumption that Africa = black all people all the time, while ignoring the countless examples of non-Negroid peoples from Africa. Most North Africans are not racially black. This wasn’t argued for centuries, until one group got all butt hurt and to assuage their crybaby feelings some began to white lie various facts, a la “Well, since you mostly own the Dark Continent, yeah it’s definitely possible that the Moors, Ancient Egyptians, and rest of North Africans were blacks as well.” Unfortunately that had the adverse effect of demanding every single famous historical person being put into the black box as well.
There’s some humorous bits of dialogue in Mervyn LeRoy’s “A Majority of One”, where whenever a famous person is mentioned, the ethnic Jews from
Brooklyn proclaim “You know, he could be Jewish.” This is taken to full absurdity when the family visits Japan and they hear a local Japanese who’s fairly Westernized exclaim about the same celebrity “You know, he could be Japanese.”
Except in this case the powers that be decided to play along with the dark proles and encourage them to continue in this line of thinking. One thing led to another, and here we are discussing why Beethoven could be black.
After all, many blacks believe that Jesus is black so why not Beethoven?
Don’t forget Kang George of England, breh.
We wuz kangz and sheeit, yo.
Moors have always largely been associated with their black slave soldiers. Look at the flag of Sardinia, the term “blackamoor”, etc.
The black Moor stereotype isn’t something that was first invented by Afrocentrists about 30 years ago like the black Egyptian idea is.
Blacks are so desperate – well not your average run of the mill savage, but the vaunted “talented 1/10” – to show blacks some how contributed to the advancement of the human race, it really is pathetic. Anything they possibly, theoretically contributed was completely due to the framework and institutions created by Whites, period. Frankly, it’s arguable that they’re even card carrying members of the human race…
Walter Murphy, a white man, just stole Beethoven's supposedly "lost" arrangement for Symphony No. 5 and passed it off as his own. No white man could have written this.
https://youtu.be/j7SzwugqiXcReplies: @Mr McKenna, @Wade Hampton
I knew someone would come up with this. Thanks, Piltdown!
Of course the layers of cultural appropriation are onion-like on this one. A black Beethoven wrote his Symphony, blacks invented Disco (just part of the general decay of American black musical culture since Blind Willie Johnson) and then a white guy stole both of their cultural artifacts to enrich himself.
The injustice.
Though I presume all brown people are somehow black anyway.
https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/September/130924/4B9141931-tdy_snyderman_blue_080107.fit-760w.jpg
So I guess anything is possible.
https://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDz75iaSW2sReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @jamie b., @Trinity
That’s fake blue skin resulting from silver dye. For real blue skin…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates
Ronaldo looks black? He’s from Brazil, right? He looks South American to me, if you know what I mean. All glitz and spritz. I don’t see even one drop of African in him. You should check out his underwear modeling; he gives Beckham a good challenge.
If you like the underwear pics, feel free to keep that to yourself.
Steve isn't aware of the fact that the player he talks about is referred to as Cristiano Ronaldo (CR7) because of the guy you're thinking of. There's also a Ronaldinho...
I read a book years ago called Beethoven’s Hair. It made a pretty good case that he had given a few strands of his hair in a locket to someone and that keepsake had endured through the centuries. No mention of it being anything other than the hair of an old white dude.
Also, Durant mentions in one of his histories that Beethoven in his lifetime was known as the Moor because he had darker skin than other people.
But why does darkish skin mean that someone is African? A friend of mine is rather dark and he had the DNA test done. Less than 1% African, but plenty Spanish and a touch of American Indian. And furthermore, why should we care if someone does or does not have a bit of Spanish or African heritage? What you’re doing right now with what you’ve got is what matters. Right now two guys are doing some work for me. One is Mexican, one Slavic. I don’t care what they look like, I just care that they do the work correctly.
What utter sophistry. Beethoven’s contemporary Pushkin has been universally recognized as one of Russia’s greatest poets for almost two centuries, and his black ancestry has never been a secret. Yes, Russia isn’t part of “the West” but “the West” has long appreciated great Russians like Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky.
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
“It’s lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.”
Not to mention acute group insecurity.
Must’ve been a slow day at the offices of The Guardian.
https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/September/130924/4B9141931-tdy_snyderman_blue_080107.fit-760w.jpg
So I guess anything is possible.
https://www.today.com/health/real-life-blue-man-dies-after-heart-attack-stroke-4B11243410\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDz75iaSW2sReplies: @Mr. XYZ, @jamie b., @Trinity
Wonder how Trump turned orange? I might try that remedy. I might dig having blue skin because blue is my favorite color and of course, I could benefit by being a minority nonwhite in America.
So for him it was a religious/health freedom issue. I believe he actually was elected as a state rep. for a while. Even for Montana that's pretty weird.
I wouldn't advise it. You'l never get past the airport screening if you'll all full of silver. How to explain to that TSA genius that "I'm 1/20th silver, so this thing will not stop beeping even when I'm naked."
As for Orange tint, I don't know. Probably now a State Secret.
Confucius also possessed a keen sense of rhythm, and it was quite a challenge for his servants to get his hair shaped into a ponytail.
Buddha also has curly hair in his pictures and statues.Replies: @Amigo
Those are snails on his head, not hair.
http://northcoastgardening.com/2010/08/buddhist-snail-martyrs/
“octoroon”
Because Ludwig wasn’t black. Because classical music is a language Africans are not wired to understand. They understand that which is not difficult to understand: rhythm. Rhythm is universal.
The BBC is (which is currently going black, black, blackety-black) is presenting a radio series on black Classical Music.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/a-history-of-black-classical-music
BBC Radio 3 celebrates the impact of black composers on the history of Western classical music with three hour-long episodes, part of A History Of Black Classical Music, debuting on the station’s airwaves on Sunday 10 May at 11pm.
Presented by acclaimed Jamaican-born, UK-based composer Eleanor Alberga, the series foregrounds often forgotten figures, highlights the influence musical traditions such as the spirituals have had on Western composers, and overall charts the history of black people, their heritage, and their impact on the wider cultural life in Europe and America.
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
“Blackness reigns supreme”
America will be the base from which the Black Planet will be birthed. Chuck Heston will find out all about it in the distant future. I hope he’s able to come back through time and warn us about it.
Razib Khan has an interesting article on Indian-Americans.
https://unherd.com/2020/09/how-brahmins-lead-the-fight-against-white-privilege/
Redneck, great comment. Funny and true. I have spent many hours in European airports full of Germans traveling to and from exotic locales. Their faces sweaty and blanched; their hair frazzled.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
This is hopeful for the future. Perhaps the current Islamic invasion will eventually be (peacefully) reversed and in a thousand years indigenous Europeans will still be the way they are now.
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
Claims by black racial nationalists that Beethoven and other historical figures were “black” reminds me a lot of attempts by white racial nationalists to claim credit for civilization in China, India and elsewhere by insisting that the creative spark always came from Aryan migrants (whether historically documented and important, as in the case of India, or simply present in the general area, as with the Tarim mummies), and that the non-whites did nothing but maintain what they could not have created themselves.
Both are a sort of “stolen valor,” in that they are attempts to claim credit for accomplishments that are not yours. The difference is that the blacks are primarily trying to counter a sense of marginality and inferiority by inflating their own significance, while the whites had no doubts about their own significance, and wanted to go beyond that to claim uniqueness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8eeVd7R_MReplies: @syonredux, @Truth
That's like saying Spaniards are unimportant in Mexican history.
What a revelation, the most accomplished "black man" in the history of European art art and science was only three quarter white! Astonishing really.
The second most accomplished "black man" was Pushkin and he was only 7/8th white. Amazing.Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Matt Buckalew, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Lloyd1927
It becomes even more silly when you consider that Leo’s character had a black concubine so Candie almost certainly had children more black than Dumas.
If Beethoven was black because he was Flemish, then so was King Leopold II of Belgium, thus making Leopold’s actions in the Congo…. black on black crime (and thus unworthy of note lol).
Afrikaners also have single digit percentages of Sub-Saharan African DNA and for some reason no one considers them black.
No.
The evidence for him being White is abundant and conclusive.
Flanders? Is that like Holland/Netherlands/Dutch Country?
Lucrative #hatehoax in Londonistan
https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1306451116134203392
No evidence has been found that a railway worker who died with coronavirus had been spat on, a report by her employer has found.
What are the implications of suggesting that someone must be black just because he looks a bit ugly and disagreeable? It smacks of racism to me.
“Freude! Freude! Freude, schöner Götterfunken”!!
and his Jewish roots as well!
https://forward.com/culture/436273/the-secret-jewish-history-of-ludwig-van-beethoven/
You have to smile.
A bit OT,but it seems a black male came here to Chicago to visit his parents. He says he has no clothing,despite bringing a heavy suitcase.
After he leaves,the parents look in his suitcase.
What did they find? Anyone? Anyone?
They found body parts and organs belonging to his girlfriend.
He is now in custody.
You wrote: “the nicest thing anybody can think to say about Ludwig van is that in a few engravings, he kind of sort of looks like an octoroon.”
Clearly, you have never met anyone with 10-15 percent (1/8) subsaharan genetic admixture. Think Heather Locklear or Carol Channing.
And, there are instances where 12-16% African people look completely white, and then some look completely black.
Most are "exotic".Replies: @Lloyd1927
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
you white guys keep going on with your racist nonsense wishing the impossible..that you are a race created by a god in heaven who deviated from the original line established by that god in heaven and he sent his only begotten son to save you so that you could and can go on screwing the planet to dust
never did I ever expect to grow up and discover that white people are indeed a derivative of original Black people, and so are all other people..that the human species according o almost every modern anthropologist I have read call all the people in the world Black..that they are all niggers running around under a rainbow of skin tones that hides their Black fact..at least to them.
that Beethoven was Black is no like impossibility at all. he was in fact Black even if his skin was white. and there were more Black people in the world Black in those days than white. all of North Africa was Black all the way into Palestine and Europe. on the walls of a Pyramid in Egypt there is a black chronology on the walls with kings-royalty stretching back 36 thousand years, that white European scholarship refuses to deal with, hides that fact as best it could as it displays fully the short ephemeral nature of white history as such
simply by the nature of the population of that day as well as this one it was easy for Beethoven to have been anything at all Fro Dark Black to mixed to white. the dismissal of this likelihood is based on the assumption that white people were always superior to Blacks and there is no way Beethoven by dint of his professional achievement could not have been Black in any way as Black people were in no way capable f producing and educating sch as Beethoven
that in fact is the real lunacy in the issue for originally it is Europe who were savages..indeed are still savages at this time given the unchanging, limitless savagery of white people in the world from the moment they entered history to currently
I don,t care what skin color Beethoven was actually, because I know the racial nature of the human species. more importantly, I used to try to account for the nasty behavior of Black people ever since I was a kid growing up Black in the world..in which I often found that Black people were no less nasty than white people socially..in their majority..despite our history at the hands of whites under slavery-colonialism-racism.
there is the answer right there. Black people were always nasty though not in genocidal savagery like white people. Naw! I take that back! Black people have carried out genocides as well as African history exposes, -lots of them. so genocide was there from the start..not exclusively a European derivative
so there you have humanity..the whole goddamn kit and package of humanity..a Black affair from start to finish..the white aspect, development and participation, a late and lunatic embellishment of savagery on an already violent base.
and that is the thing with religion and its nonsense. religion is based on principle, on good and bad and all that nonsense! there is no good and bad in life..only cause and effect. if you want a result that meets your need you have to find out how you get that results..i.e what to do to get it and proceed to do so or you have no chance. that is all of life..period. and in that way all behavior is ..and can be…brought into line with survival. forcing ourselves to live by baseless principle, for principle sake, is insane and contributes to all the rotten issues we have placed in our own way that impedes and sets back human survival
so for humanity to have an indefinite chance in nature we must come to know nature inside out and to achieve any such fact we must organize society to produce that result. to know we must have all the people educated and productive and living to the best of their abilities. that is how we would produce the wealth of knowledge about existence which alone, along with the technology derived from it, would guarantee collective survival
I am tired of all this race crap..one of the truly backward contributions of white people to the content of human life at this time and stage. I am tired of exploitative society which is a Sword of Damocles hanging over human society. Race is crazy, lunatic, inaccurate nonsense! there is no doubt remaining, none at all that the human species evolved out of Black people..is in fact a black people. jump high jump low what you gonna do!!!!
toss it! get rid of of it. don,t put it up! just get it out of your stupid hibernation moderation jail you idiot
Can't say what color they were though.
But if you start going around yelling that "everyone is black (Black!), even whites, you are likely to get cancelled.
If "everyone is black" and only "black lives matter" then, well, you do the math...Replies: @anon
Let’s look over some of the claims.The standard Beethoven was of partial Black ancestry thesis goes more or less like this:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2598/was-ludwig-van-beethoven-of-african-ancestry
That’s it.The leaps in logic required to buy the theory are obvious.If you are curious, here’s another piece on the matter:
http://www.academia.edu/4074689/Black_Beethoven_and_the_Racial_Politics_of_Mus
Some people try to reference partially Black worthies like Pushkin and Chevalier de Saint Georges as evidence for Beethoven being part Black, but that argument actually works against the contention that Beethoven was part Black.European society was quite keen on noticing Black achievement.Had Beethoven been part Black, it would have been as widely discussed a fact as Pushkin’s ancestry.
Physical descriptions of Beethoven:
Africentrists love to dilate on Beethoven’s “dark” complexion and “wild” hair.
Here’s a lock of Beethoven’s hair:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/07/03/growing-growing-gone-10-celebrity-hair-auctions/photo/beethoven/
Looks European/Caucasoid in type to me.
nose: Looks Euro to me.
dark brown skin: Africentrists can’t seem to understand that terms like “brown” and “black” in reference to complexion are quite relative. Hence, when an 18th-19th century European says that someone is black/brown skinned…..Well, it’s not quite the same thing as a 20th-21st century American saying it.
Here are Beethoven’s life and death masks. They look quite look quite Euro to me
http://library.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/C0770/a-c.html
From what I've read on related subjects, if anything at all happened, it was probably a matter of the pre-Celtic stock of Western Europe surfacing.
Those folks were pretty dark -- albeit certainly not negroes. That's where we get 'black Irish' etc from: pre-Celtic genes turning up.
I cannot recall a more pitch-perfect rendition of the type of bilge spouted by World Improvers.
No wonder the Guardian decided to attack them: that single fake headline encapsulates the Guardian's schtick.
if Beethoven was black, why don’t they like (or even respect) his music?
They only play his music at funerals, block parties and BBQ’s.
Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges
Sounds like something Mozart would have been spanked for writing, aged four.Replies: @obwandiyag
The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews
That’s already been done!
Physical descriptions of Beethoven:
Africentrists love to dilate on Beethoven's "dark" complexion and "wild" hair.
Here’s a lock of Beethoven’s hair:http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/07/03/growing-growing-gone-10-celebrity-hair-auctions/photo/beethoven/Looks European/Caucasoid in type to me.nose: Looks Euro to me.dark brown skin: Africentrists can't seem to understand that terms like “brown” and “black” in reference to complexion are quite relative. Hence, when an 18th-19th century European says that someone is black/brown skinned…..Well, it’s not quite the same thing as a 20th-21st century American saying it.
Here are Beethoven's life and death masks. They look quite look quite Euro to mehttp://library.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/C0770/a-c.htmlReplies: @Colin Wright, @Calvin Hobbes
‘…could conceivably have been transmitted from Africa to Beethoven. (2) Beethoven had a darker complexion than was typical of northern Europeans of his day, and some referred to him as “the black Spaniard.”’
From what I’ve read on related subjects, if anything at all happened, it was probably a matter of the pre-Celtic stock of Western Europe surfacing.
Those folks were pretty dark — albeit certainly not negroes. That’s where we get ‘black Irish’ etc from: pre-Celtic genes turning up.
Physical descriptions of Beethoven:
Africentrists love to dilate on Beethoven's "dark" complexion and "wild" hair.
Here’s a lock of Beethoven’s hair:http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/07/03/growing-growing-gone-10-celebrity-hair-auctions/photo/beethoven/Looks European/Caucasoid in type to me.nose: Looks Euro to me.dark brown skin: Africentrists can't seem to understand that terms like “brown” and “black” in reference to complexion are quite relative. Hence, when an 18th-19th century European says that someone is black/brown skinned…..Well, it’s not quite the same thing as a 20th-21st century American saying it.
Here are Beethoven's life and death masks. They look quite look quite Euro to mehttp://library.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/C0770/a-c.htmlReplies: @Colin Wright, @Calvin Hobbes
DNA analysis of one hair would settle this.
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
Do you? Well thanks…
Genesis 15:13-13-14
13Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years*. 14But I will judge the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will depart with many possessions.
Egyptian General:
*Slavery began in the USA in 1619
https://moguldom.com/213990/10-facts-that-prove-the-ancient-egyptians-were-black-and-african/
Oldest surviving etching of King James:
Later painting:
Here’s the opinion of a 19th century french noble, upon visiting Egypt; definitely a white guy…
By this logic, essentially every prominent Black American can also be called ‘White’ (same goes for people like Bruce Lee). The one drop rule is bad. Except when it isn’t. Logical consistency has never been too important to the left. Maybe logical reasoning is too White and too Male?
This type of debate has been most interesting with the Ancient Egyptians. IIRC they’ve gotten DNA from hundreds of mummies and these examples were more Caucasian and less SS African than today’s Egyptians. Facts! Science!
Moors could mean the white Rif mountain tribes, the Arabized nearly-white Moroccan urban elite, and their dark black slaves.
We have lots of paintings of the Spanish Netherlands, and I don’t recall ever seeing an African. The only africans in european paintings from that era are single exotics to entertain royal courts alongside dwarves and jugglers.
Here’s one of the region’s masterpieces that depicts many both Dutch and Spanish and local allied soldiers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Surrender_of_Breda
These are just typical “dark” Northern Europeans. My Dad’s Irish/Scandinavian/(minimal) Cajun side of the family look like these guys. Hardly “black.”
There have been various opportunities for southern Europeans to become more black, yet this doesn’t happen. Noticeable black genes reduce your breeding opportunities to below-average levels even today.
Now that modern people have an average of only two kids, black genes can get filtered out pretty quickly.
So? A lot of poor blue-eyed wiggers in the South act black, too. Moors and Berbers would only be considered black to bizarro Nordicists and Afrocentrists (2 sides of the same coin?)
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
“ Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North.”
The moors just didn’t settle in spain in any large numbers. They didn’t even fully replace the elite. The “Moorish” statelets in Spain were typically old Visigothic-Roman nobles who nominally converted to Islam. What migration that did happen was also heavily reversed in the reconquest and inquisition.
Classic “2020” logic:
“Did ______________ (usually a hate hoax) occur?”
There’s no credible evidence that it did occur, but if it did occur, it would be significant and we can all learn a lesson from this anyway.
Could hardly believe an article from this past spring that pegged the % of Moor DNA in modern Spaniards at most low single digits and mostly well under 1%.
Hard to believe because the dark hair and dark eyes of middle and south Spain is obvious departure from the North. Let alone France.
But many of these dusky jewel Spanish women have very pale skin. They still have the olive tint as opposed to any pink tint.
Also the Andalusians are temperamentally apart similar to Sicilians in Italy.
There's a bit more admixture in south Portugal but still nothing really significant in modern populations.
Remember actress Alba a few years ago trying to claim intersectional points with her Spanish blood. She did that because she knows Spanish blood is different than other Northern Euro blood.
I thought much of Spain was still sort of an octaroon society but DNA proves it's not even close to that level of ancient admixture.
Those dark eyes and dark hair and olive skin are from the Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...Replies: @Steve Sailer, @T.Chris, @Lars Porsena, @Travis, @DextersLabRat, @Lot, @S. Anonyia
If you believed Spain was an octoroon society you spent too much time watching movies and listening to the absurdities taught in the American public school system.
Isn’t it more possible that blondish/light-eyed people are the anomaly in Europe and not the standard? It’s a mutation that increased in cloudy areas with lots of inbreeding, like around the Baltic. The fact that Americans are less blond/pale than their distant cousins in places like Great Britain and Southern Germany is testament to that; the more different Euro ethnicities mix the less blond they become because the recessive genes get diluted. The “base” appearance of Europeans seems to be brown haired, brown or hazel eyed, and with skin that burns a little then tans.
Sure, Beethoven was black. So were Christ, Socrates, as well as Adam and Eve. The indisputable corollary of the latter is that God himself is black (he created Adam in his image, remember?). One thing remains unclear: where did all other races come from?
Roll Over, Beethoven
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
The thing is, black Americans have made enormous contributions to American popular culture, particularly music, that are disproportionate to their share of the population. Jazz, blues, gospel, rock n roll (you can argue about the relative importance of rhythm and blues vs country in the rock n roll origin story, but IMO no one did more to define the early rock n roll sound than Chuck Berry and Little Richard), Motown, hip hop… There’s a very solid argument that no group has contributed more to American popular music, even without taking into account their share of population, and when you do take numbers into account, it’s not even close. I think most American blacks are justifiably proud of this and don’t really give a sh*t about whether Beethoven was black. Honestly the “Beethoven was black” thing seems like the sort of argument that non-black academics make in order to be “subversive,” or that black people with few to no black friends make to see if they can get a rise out of their white friends.
Don't you think that that's a reflection on the depravity of American popular culture rather than the of the creative genius of blacks?Replies: @Truth
What’s even more absurd than the idea that Beethoven was Black is that the author believes he is fighting racism.
How often do you hear prominent blacks calling Beethoven “the greatest of all musicians”? Only when they think he might’ve been partially black himself. It’s that kind of self-serving lack of objectivity that makes the claim pretty suspect to begin with. Even so, anything is possible. The only thing I’m sure of is that Beethoven was not the greatest of all musicians. Or even composers.
And Shakerattleanndrollspear was the first rapper.
I mean there is ‘shake’ and ‘spear ‘in his chucking name. How black can you get?
Is there some recessive phenotype in the Rhineland that produces this look? Babe Ruth’s family tree on both sides was from the Baden-Wurtemburg area, and he was often described (insultingly so by the likes of Ty Cobb) as having black features.
It’s clear that many famous historical figures from the Palatinate/Holland area have been black.
Don't be ridic.
Zidane
Nothing new on earth. In time, Beethoven surely will be black female.
Completely OT, but the longest golfing martyrdom in sports history is approaching the final green:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/17/gareth-bale-real-madrid-exit-zinedine-zidane-relief-resentment
“Wales – Golf – Madrid” was the summary of his sporting priorities in an infamous interview given by the Welsh forward who scored the greatest goal in the history of the competition in the final of the Champions League of 2018. Surprisingly enough Real Madrid was not amused. If Madrid were made of chocolate it’d eat itself.
It’s a little known fact but the famous band “The Beatles” were actually all Asian. They were “British” due to a Hong Kong passport citizenship loophole and started off in England.
Snopes rating: TRUEAlso, is it just me or Mark Chapman looks Asian in his first mugshot?
One cannot underestimate the jealousy and envy of mixed race people. They have no people of their own so therefore, they “identify” as something. The “civil rights” era has apparently been stroking the already overblown ego of blacks by making absurd “theories” about their non-existent contributions to the Modern Space Age World.
In truth, they have done barely anything of import. The “black studies” are just confabulation and anti-White rhetoric. Is it a “conspiracy”? Everything nowadays is a CONSPIRACY. Nothing seems accidental.
The “Protocols of Zion”, “The Great Society”, and even “Early Childhood Education”. All of them are in fact CONSPIRACIES. To obtain POWER and MONEY through FALSE PRETENSES and BIG FAT LIES.
Beethoven is just the latest White Man victimised by these CONSPIRACIES…
What a revelation, the most accomplished "black man" in the history of European art art and science was only three quarter white! Astonishing really.
The second most accomplished "black man" was Pushkin and he was only 7/8th white. Amazing.Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Matt Buckalew, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Lloyd1927
The One Drop Rule is the last, best hope for black historical achievement.
Steve, is it possible for you to get your “Is Love Colorblind” NR article properly posted here?
I searched on Unz, and the article indeed shows up–with the lead verbiage. But if you click the link it is actually for the April 23rd, 2002 post where you’re talking about Addison-Wesley wanting to republish in a textbook.
I then searched on “Is” for 1997, figured i’d get in using the normal next-article links. Didn’t work. I got the succeeding post “The Words Don’t Match the Pictures” and clicked the link to the previous “Is Love Colorblind” post. Same 2002 thing:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-love-colorblind/
Outside, Linda Gottfredson has the text:
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/color/articles/sailer.html
And some random folks have some of the graphs. But spending a half hour or so, i couldn’t find the article.
It’s an iSteve classic, be nice to have around.
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
Terrbile comment.
This kind of thinking is the whole problem. Western Civilization belongs to European people only. Only we can be part of it. The desire to force European culture on non-Europeans is the root of self hatred among whites. Stop trying to “fix” these people. Keep our culture exclusive.
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
Blacks are exhibiting narcissistic behavior:
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
Take advantage of others to get what they want
Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
Be envious of others and believe others envy them
Even in my children’s politically-correct school, where everybody gets a ribbon and no one is excluded, at lunch hour the children form into groups: Vietnamese, Chinese, Blacks, Whites, Indian, East Indian, Mexican.
People don’t want to be assimilated. That’s why they invented multiculturalism – to entice them to come. Otherwise, most wouldn’t want to come; they don’t want to lose their culture.
This is ingrained in all of us. We protect and talk-up our own group. Bias, discrimination, prejudice, racism is universal. The sooner we realize this, the better.
All groups are continually vying for top spot. At the moment the minority Blacks and Jews are taking on the Whites, trying to break them down and get special favors for themselves. The Blacks are being used. No way they came up with the idea that Beethoven might have been black on their own. They are being fed this information, and guess who owns the media?
Isaiah destroys Jesus
https://gray-kwtx-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/epxX76GFTM9Zh3S943Oc1UV5Ja4=/980x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/B6CPIPMBI5ENPCU4WGLUFUHDOE.jpg
Isaiah and his work
Police said the perp, Isaiah Cantrell, told them the "skin color of the statue was the wrong color." Cantrell reportedly remarked that "Jesus was Jewish and therefore should be a darker skin color."
https://kvia.com/news/crime/2020/09/15/jesus-statue-decapitated-in-brazen-vandalism-attack-at-el-pasos-st-patricks-cathedral/Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon
Mensa chapter in El Paso now missing a member.
The “afro” or even wiry hair does not bespeak the octaroon.
Keith Jarret. Born in Pa. Mother Slovenian descent, father German.
Robert Hegyes (Epstein, Welcome back Kotter), Italian and Hungarian descent.
Carly Simon is a quadroon/octaroon (a beautiful talented lady too). The tells are in the facial features.
I had an encounter with a menacing octaroon recently. He was from the hood and was accompanied by his (menacing) black friends. For just about all the world he was white: hazel eyes, skin lighter than my own, wavy, flaxen hair….but there was a trace in his facial features of his partial African ancestry.
https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012026/293.kotter.ls.12612.jpg?fit=around|293:auto&output-quality=90&crop=293:auto;center,top
Carly Simon is a quadroon/octaroon (a beautiful talented lady too). The tells are in the facial features.https://groovyhistory.com/content/155871/2ff09be346fb047d18a5c2b1b4cf18ac.jpg
https://news.amomama.com/147379-remember-drucilla-winters-yr-she-has-gro.html
https://news.amomama.com/112246-eartha-kitts-granddaughter-grown-mother.html
http://www.justjared.com/tags/rashida-jones/
https://ecelebritymirror.com/celebrity-babies/isaiah-jones-koenig-rashida-jones-son-ezra-koenig/
https://ethnicelebs.com/troian-bellisario
By the way, I've met quite a few very mulatto-looking Ashkenazi Jews and Southern Italians. Mulatto-looking Arabs and Latinos classified on paper as "white" are far more common than anyone would guess.
I remember hanging out with friend, a hardworking West Indian guy with kids all over Brooklyn, and his eggplant colored American black friend Smoke called Bob Marley ‘coconut music.’ (ie black outside, white inside) Bob Marley’s father was an English sailor.
“He helped galvanise the US civil rights movement…” WHAT??!! Beethoven’s work had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Civil Rights Movement against de jure racial discrimination. However, the idiot author of “The Guardian” piece has redefined “civil rights movement” to anything uttered by a black militant.
There would be absolutely no problem with blacks making these ridiculous claims of redefining famous people as “black” IF academia and the media had not decided to indulge them by letting blacks use a “one drop rule” to claim anyone they desire (minus Hispanics, Arabs and anyone powerful and alive enough to fight them).
https://medium.com/@mischling2nd/its-not-rachel-dolezal-who-s-crazy-but-the-ridiculous-racist-and-contradictory-definitions-of-7a1da0a404f0
These fanatics are so doped in hate they can’t even see that they’re helping to convince people that Whites are superior, to them.
Not that everyone needed convincing. But you get the idea.
Emmett Till alert
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
Well, at leas there is some validity to that claim. There has been a Jewish sect in Ethiopia for thousands of years. They are more “real” Jews than the Ashkenazim.
Beethoven may not have been white, but he is probably listed as dying of COVID.
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
Tan skin for white people did not become desirable until the 20th century. Before that, white skin was the ideal for upper class women or those who aspired to be so. It meant that you didn’t have to spend your days outside in the sun working like a peasant. Later, tan skin became a status symbol because it meant that you were wealthy enough to fly to Florida, Jamaica, etc. for the winter and bask in the sun on a pristine beach.
Thorstein Veblen’s “Theory of the Leisure” class explains a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201209/when-is-tan-socially-desirable
There was a black 18th Century composer, Saint-Georges. He was from the Caribbean and worked in France. Some of his violin concertos have been recorded. They are decent enough but not masterpieces.
“Also, if Beethoven was black, why don’t they like (or even respect) his music?”
For the same reason that black elites love to claim Alexander Pushkin when they know nothing of Russian literature and couldn’t care less about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Pushkin
Matty Yglesias:
And that was by casting Whites as the villains and Blacks as the heroes. 1607, 1620, and 1776 are tossed in the rubbish heap and 1619 becomes the nation’s true founding.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306677588274929673
That’s putting it mildly, Matt. She claimed that preserving slavery was a major reason for the the American Revolution. That was historical illiteracy of a very high order.
Which means that YT is the baddie…..Why would i want to live in a country where I am the bad guy?
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306678532068835329
And, therefore, Whites have less…..
Then, as the next step, we can take down the statues all of the other people who have committed crimes against the BIPOC: Washington, John Adams, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, …..
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306682053359022084
Clearly, you have never met anyone with 10-15 percent (1/8) subsaharan genetic admixture. Think Heather Locklear or Carol Channing.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Charlesz Martel
No.
And, there are instances where 12-16% African people look completely white, and then some look completely black.
Most are “exotic”.
If it were easy to zero in on drops of "black blood," the blacks would not find themselves in embarrassing situations like this one:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/white-uw-madison-student-apologizes-for-lying-about-being-black/Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
womanthing.Replies: @Bardon KaldianYeah, but the ring is disgusting.
Why not to his father, too?
When will Neil Armstrong become black or Willian Harley or Arthur Davidson? Will Samuel Colt become black?
Make it fucking end.
I think the smaller painting below is actually one of Ludwig himself, not his brother.
Re: octaroon Spain ….
To be clear I meant Moor/Maghrebi octaroon mix not sub-Saharan octaroon mix.
But Portugal is different with their history of the latter mix…
A young woman once told me that her dad grew up dirt poor in rural VA during the Depression and at times (he said) the family subsisted on carrots and their skin would turn orange.
It is fascinating how much blacks wish/believe/hope that the "the black tail wags the white dog." This is similar to how, for several hundred years, the Irish view of English policy was always "the Irish tail wagging the English dog."
Both beliefs wildly overstated the minority group's affect on the majority group's actions. And both wildly overstated the minority group's contribution to the majority group.
I've heard blacks argue with a straight face that the 19th century fashion of women having large "bustles" on their extravagant Victorian gowns was directly because white men fiended after black women's behinds and the white women tried to copy that to get their men back with them. Or how "tanning" was brought into fashion for the same reason: because white men lusted after black skin and white women tried to accommodate.
It's lunacy and self-centeredness rolled into one.Replies: @guest, @tyrone, @Prester John, @jb, @anon, @Lloyd1927, @Richard S
I’d be intrigued to see how you develop this point. Are you referring to the relatively brief period in the run-up to 1914 when Irish MPs were a decisive element in supporting Liberal governments in Westminster?
Or do you mean the current diplomatic disaster that the London has lurched into? With the US Congress and the EU Commission both promising retaliation if England carries out its threat to unilaterally abrogate the Good Friday Agreement?
All that Jewish DNA must be why the Republican government of the 1930s invited the soviet communists in to destroy the country.
I believe Wernher von Braun was black too and Tom Brady as well!
The Windsor family is completely black and so were the Kennedy’s.
Now they’re just rubbing YT’s nose in it.
https://youtu.be/lwleaxA0ps0?t=263Replies: @AnonFromTN
Beethoven would tick even more boxes being designated black lesbian with disability. It’s a pity that Beethoven, being long dead, can’t take advantage of affirmative action.
Steve Sailer, there are three different types of Spaniard. In Andaluzia, you have Mediterraneans with about 10% Moorish ancestroy. Antonio Banderas is a good representative of this type of Spaniard.
The “typical” Spaniard is a Celt with some Med ancestry: white skin, brown hair with occasional blue and green eyes.
Now, the Spanish upper class is *strongly* Visigothic. Even today, the word “Godo”(“Goth”) is a common pejorative term for Spaniard in Latin America. The Kingdoms of Castilla and Asturias were both founded by Visigothic kings. Here is princess Leonor, the Crown Princess of Spain. As you can see, she is a natural blond with baby blue eyes.
There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America. Not only because she is a real pricesss, but because of her beauty and her sense of style and elegance. They try to mimick her way of dressing, but even rich girls can’t afford all her attire. It is easy to be a stunning dresser when you have the National Treasury paying for it(because the Nation wants thier Crown Princess to look as stunning as possible). She truly looks like a fairy tale princess straight out of a Grimm Brothers story:
https://cdn.hiptoro.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Money-Heist-Season-4-Trailer-Release-Date-Cast-Plot-Spoilers-Rumors-Leaks-and-Theories-e1579990062651.jpeghttps://data.whicdn.com/images/306389422/original.jpg
Though I personally like how Leonor dresses, she is chided by the media for not being fashion forward. Her cousin Victoria Federica —who dresses not at all to my liking— is considered a cooler dresser. I highly doubt American teens consider her an “it girl”. Why lie?Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherGuessModel
How do you know about the cults that teenaged girls join?
Are you some sort of scout for Biden?
never did I ever expect to grow up and discover that white people are indeed a derivative of original Black people, and so are all other people..that the human species according o almost every modern anthropologist I have read call all the people in the world Black..that they are all niggers running around under a rainbow of skin tones that hides their Black fact..at least to them.
that Beethoven was Black is no like impossibility at all. he was in fact Black even if his skin was white. and there were more Black people in the world Black in those days than white. all of North Africa was Black all the way into Palestine and Europe. on the walls of a Pyramid in Egypt there is a black chronology on the walls with kings-royalty stretching back 36 thousand years, that white European scholarship refuses to deal with, hides that fact as best it could as it displays fully the short ephemeral nature of white history as such
simply by the nature of the population of that day as well as this one it was easy for Beethoven to have been anything at all Fro Dark Black to mixed to white. the dismissal of this likelihood is based on the assumption that white people were always superior to Blacks and there is no way Beethoven by dint of his professional achievement could not have been Black in any way as Black people were in no way capable f producing and educating sch as Beethoven
that in fact is the real lunacy in the issue for originally it is Europe who were savages..indeed are still savages at this time given the unchanging, limitless savagery of white people in the world from the moment they entered history to currently
I don,t care what skin color Beethoven was actually, because I know the racial nature of the human species. more importantly, I used to try to account for the nasty behavior of Black people ever since I was a kid growing up Black in the world..in which I often found that Black people were no less nasty than white people socially..in their majority..despite our history at the hands of whites under slavery-colonialism-racism.
there is the answer right there. Black people were always nasty though not in genocidal savagery like white people. Naw! I take that back! Black people have carried out genocides as well as African history exposes, -lots of them. so genocide was there from the start..not exclusively a European derivative
so there you have humanity..the whole goddamn kit and package of humanity..a Black affair from start to finish..the white aspect, development and participation, a late and lunatic embellishment of savagery on an already violent base.
and that is the thing with religion and its nonsense. religion is based on principle, on good and bad and all that nonsense! there is no good and bad in life..only cause and effect. if you want a result that meets your need you have to find out how you get that results..i.e what to do to get it and proceed to do so or you have no chance. that is all of life..period. and in that way all behavior is ..and can be...brought into line with survival. forcing ourselves to live by baseless principle, for principle sake, is insane and contributes to all the rotten issues we have placed in our own way that impedes and sets back human survival
so for humanity to have an indefinite chance in nature we must come to know nature inside out and to achieve any such fact we must organize society to produce that result. to know we must have all the people educated and productive and living to the best of their abilities. that is how we would produce the wealth of knowledge about existence which alone, along with the technology derived from it, would guarantee collective survival
I am tired of all this race crap..one of the truly backward contributions of white people to the content of human life at this time and stage. I am tired of exploitative society which is a Sword of Damocles hanging over human society. Race is crazy, lunatic, inaccurate nonsense! there is no doubt remaining, none at all that the human species evolved out of Black people..is in fact a black people. jump high jump low what you gonna do!!!!Replies: @anon, @Muggles, @R.G. Camara
same man don,t put the post up..just toss it willya!
toss it! get rid of of it. don,t put it up! just get it out of your stupid hibernation moderation jail you idiot
What a revelation, the most accomplished "black man" in the history of European art art and science was only three quarter white! Astonishing really.
The second most accomplished "black man" was Pushkin and he was only 7/8th white. Amazing.Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Matt Buckalew, @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Lloyd1927
The black American obsession with claiming famous whites and other non-blacks for their race in the name of a so-called “one drop rule” does the opposite of what they intend. The idea is that Mr. and Mrs. White America will hear of a drop of dreaded black blood in a famous and admired white person and immediately decide that blacks are not inferior after all. Of course, what the blacks are really saying is that they can’t stand on their own genetic feet. This is what the whites they target are REALLY thinking: “Superior white blood does all the work and inferior Negro blood takes all the credit.”
https://medium.com/@mischling2nd/its-not-rachel-dolezal-who-s-crazy-but-the-ridiculous-racist-and-contradictory-definitions-of-7a1da0a404f0
Because Ludwig wouldn’t roll over and tell Tchiakovsky the news.
https://youtu.be/_RU3IX5yy28
In truth, blacks were highly suggestible as musicians. The Irish have been pissing and moaning about hard times in their music since the dawn of time, and the blacks turned that into the Blues. Scott Joplin studied Beethoven with white teachers since his youth and no doubt glommed onto syncopation because of the way it "feels," turning an occasional stylistic quirk of a well known white composer into the Ragtime genre. Eventually Ragtime turned into Jazz, but with a lot of help from Jewish composers like Ira Gershwin.Replies: @JimB
Apologies, I got George and Ira Gershwin mixed up. Ira was the lyricist. George was the musician.
I could easily live without all their “enormous contributions to American popular culture” if they would just stop being such a problem in this country.
Keith Jarret. Born in Pa. Mother Slovenian descent, father German.
Robert Hegyes (Epstein, Welcome back Kotter), Italian and Hungarian descent.
Carly Simon is a quadroon/octaroon (a beautiful talented lady too). The tells are in the facial features.
I had an encounter with a menacing octaroon recently. He was from the hood and was accompanied by his (menacing) black friends. For just about all the world he was white: hazel eyes, skin lighter than my own, wavy, flaxen hair....but there was a trace in his facial features of his partial African ancestry.
https://2m4lvp43dgt6ws6h51m3c66y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/02/c5e31c7f986e49f30a0a84d8b62d4.jpg
https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2012026/293.kotter.ls.12612.jpg?fit=around|293:auto&output-quality=90&crop=293:auto;center,top
Carly Simon is a quadroon/octaroon (a beautiful talented lady too). The tells are in the facial features.https://groovyhistory.com/content/155871/2ff09be346fb047d18a5c2b1b4cf18ac.jpgReplies: @Lloyd1927
An octoroon is basically white and you don’t know you’re around one until someone tells you. Quadroons and some white near mulattoes (60-74% white) can look totally white also. White genes are not 98-pound weaklings next to the genes of other races.
https://news.amomama.com/147379-remember-drucilla-winters-yr-she-has-gro.html
https://news.amomama.com/112246-eartha-kitts-granddaughter-grown-mother.html
http://www.justjared.com/tags/rashida-jones/
https://ecelebritymirror.com/celebrity-babies/isaiah-jones-koenig-rashida-jones-son-ezra-koenig/
https://ethnicelebs.com/troian-bellisario
By the way, I’ve met quite a few very mulatto-looking Ashkenazi Jews and Southern Italians. Mulatto-looking Arabs and Latinos classified on paper as “white” are far more common than anyone would guess.
My older daughter loved carrot baby food when she was a toddler. We fed her so much of it her skin did get a bit orange.
“mother had an affair”
the original talcum-X
The "typical" Spaniard is a Celt with some Med ancestry: white skin, brown hair with occasional blue and green eyes.
Now, the Spanish upper class is *strongly* Visigothic. Even today, the word "Godo"("Goth") is a common pejorative term for Spaniard in Latin America. The Kingdoms of Castilla and Asturias were both founded by Visigothic kings. Here is princess Leonor, the Crown Princess of Spain. As you can see, she is a natural blond with baby blue eyes.
There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America. Not only because she is a real pricesss, but because of her beauty and her sense of style and elegance. They try to mimick her way of dressing, but even rich girls can't afford all her attire. It is easy to be a stunning dresser when you have the National Treasury paying for it(because the Nation wants thier Crown Princess to look as stunning as possible). She truly looks like a fairy tale princess straight out of a Grimm Brothers story: https://youtu.be/V2NNFZM557QReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Bill Jones
So how do you interpret the cast of Money Heist?
Whatever about Beethoven, it seems like according to Netflix ~1900 home counties was very black.
My favourite is the scene with the finishing school with the black and Asian girls. The horror of giving a job to two more English extras. The horror.
http://www.ijamming.net/2004Indexpics/Chinese-Beatles.jpg
https://www.esplanade.com/-/media/images/events/2019/a/all-you-need-is-love-a-tribute-to-the-beatles-02.jpg?mw=1200&w=1200&hash=6E9FDE6F02F820B92A9C2972D00C5B142276A6F0Replies: @adreadline
Claim: ”The Beatles” were originally from Shenzhen, Guangdong province, People’s Republic of China
Snopes rating: TRUE
Also, is it just me or Mark Chapman looks Asian in his first mugshot?
Case of Viennese-Induced Deafness?
Let’s go with it. Let’s do this for all the greats. It kept Hamilton on the ten dollar bill. It might allow music school curricula or orchestra concert programming to count the Pastoral Symphony as diversity. Before you know it, we’ll recreate a western great books curriculum at every college in the country.
Wanna tear down a statue of Columbus? I bet you didn’t know he was Black.
And gay. Extra intersectional points, because Chrissy will need all the help they can get.
Not only is it not their kind of music, it’s “old.” How many blacks are hanging out listening to Billie Holiday, Cab Calloway, Ellington, Basie, etc.? (Sadly, the same can be said for most whites at this point- and “old” could be anything from the previous century.)
That parody headline is absolutely brilliant.
I cannot recall a more pitch-perfect rendition of the type of bilge spouted by World Improvers.
No wonder the Guardian decided to attack them: that single fake headline encapsulates the Guardian’s schtick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJCX3t_gq-EReplies: @Old Palo Altan
And?
Sounds like something Mozart would have been spanked for writing, aged four.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306677588274929673That's putting it mildly, Matt. She claimed that preserving slavery was a major reason for the the American Revolution. That was historical illiteracy of a very high order.Which means that YT is the baddie.....Why would i want to live in a country where I am the bad guy?
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306678532068835329And, therefore, Whites have less.....Then, as the next step, we can take down the statues all of the other people who have committed crimes against the BIPOC: Washington, John Adams, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, .....
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306682053359022084Replies: @Clemsnman, @Je Suis Omar Mateen
The vast material wealth created by their bondage was pretty much all destroyed by 1865.
Colloidal silver ingested long enough will tint your skin blue. Some right wing tax protester (nut-job) up in Montana claimed this would cure everything that made you sick.
So for him it was a religious/health freedom issue. I believe he actually was elected as a state rep. for a while. Even for Montana that’s pretty weird.
I wouldn’t advise it. You’l never get past the airport screening if you’ll all full of silver. How to explain to that TSA genius that “I’m 1/20th silver, so this thing will not stop beeping even when I’m naked.”
As for Orange tint, I don’t know. Probably now a State Secret.
So if Beethoven was black, that means Germany hasn’t ever been racist.
never did I ever expect to grow up and discover that white people are indeed a derivative of original Black people, and so are all other people..that the human species according o almost every modern anthropologist I have read call all the people in the world Black..that they are all niggers running around under a rainbow of skin tones that hides their Black fact..at least to them.
that Beethoven was Black is no like impossibility at all. he was in fact Black even if his skin was white. and there were more Black people in the world Black in those days than white. all of North Africa was Black all the way into Palestine and Europe. on the walls of a Pyramid in Egypt there is a black chronology on the walls with kings-royalty stretching back 36 thousand years, that white European scholarship refuses to deal with, hides that fact as best it could as it displays fully the short ephemeral nature of white history as such
simply by the nature of the population of that day as well as this one it was easy for Beethoven to have been anything at all Fro Dark Black to mixed to white. the dismissal of this likelihood is based on the assumption that white people were always superior to Blacks and there is no way Beethoven by dint of his professional achievement could not have been Black in any way as Black people were in no way capable f producing and educating sch as Beethoven
that in fact is the real lunacy in the issue for originally it is Europe who were savages..indeed are still savages at this time given the unchanging, limitless savagery of white people in the world from the moment they entered history to currently
I don,t care what skin color Beethoven was actually, because I know the racial nature of the human species. more importantly, I used to try to account for the nasty behavior of Black people ever since I was a kid growing up Black in the world..in which I often found that Black people were no less nasty than white people socially..in their majority..despite our history at the hands of whites under slavery-colonialism-racism.
there is the answer right there. Black people were always nasty though not in genocidal savagery like white people. Naw! I take that back! Black people have carried out genocides as well as African history exposes, -lots of them. so genocide was there from the start..not exclusively a European derivative
so there you have humanity..the whole goddamn kit and package of humanity..a Black affair from start to finish..the white aspect, development and participation, a late and lunatic embellishment of savagery on an already violent base.
and that is the thing with religion and its nonsense. religion is based on principle, on good and bad and all that nonsense! there is no good and bad in life..only cause and effect. if you want a result that meets your need you have to find out how you get that results..i.e what to do to get it and proceed to do so or you have no chance. that is all of life..period. and in that way all behavior is ..and can be...brought into line with survival. forcing ourselves to live by baseless principle, for principle sake, is insane and contributes to all the rotten issues we have placed in our own way that impedes and sets back human survival
so for humanity to have an indefinite chance in nature we must come to know nature inside out and to achieve any such fact we must organize society to produce that result. to know we must have all the people educated and productive and living to the best of their abilities. that is how we would produce the wealth of knowledge about existence which alone, along with the technology derived from it, would guarantee collective survival
I am tired of all this race crap..one of the truly backward contributions of white people to the content of human life at this time and stage. I am tired of exploitative society which is a Sword of Damocles hanging over human society. Race is crazy, lunatic, inaccurate nonsense! there is no doubt remaining, none at all that the human species evolved out of Black people..is in fact a black people. jump high jump low what you gonna do!!!!Replies: @anon, @Muggles, @R.G. Camara
Yes, it is widely believed by scientists that all modern humans evolved from people who were originally in Africa. So to that extent, you are correct.
Can’t say what color they were though.
But if you start going around yelling that “everyone is black (Black!), even whites, you are likely to get cancelled.
If “everyone is black” and only “black lives matter” then, well, you do the math…
or! to the moderator who stuck my post in moderation for hours and refused to toss it. I gave him permission to toss the post but he chose to post it up too late along with the permission I gave to him toss the post. what in tarnation was he up to then.......
I am waiting on the arrival of a new keyboard. this one has gone haywire so that I cant even get quotation marks up without an e on the end of it...or them. that is why there are no quotation marks for what one anthropologist described ... as despite their rainbow all the people in the world are niggers
and look at you man..you are incredible! the first people out of Africa were not necessarily Black. hahahahaha
that is the top jocularity I have run into this week so far. it wins hands down for now. but I expect you to still be tops at the week end...Saturday nite at 12:59 pmReplies: @Muggles
So if a non Black! convenience store owner, blasts Beethoven music on the sidewalk in front of the store to ah, limit the presence of too many joggers, he can’t be accused of racism?
Nice.
Orange is the new White.
http://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.htmlReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Who said anything about looks?
Human rights in Western Sahara
“[In] 2017, Forbes listed Morocco as the second most dangerous country in the world to which women can travel.”
How Morocco is trying to address rampant sexual harassment
‘Hey, sexy’: Long road ahead to combat sexual harassment in Morocco
THE LAND OF THE ATLAS IN BOYS FOR SALE
Moroccans Are Sick of Their Country’s Pedophile Problem
Morocco’s Berbers Battle to Keep From Losing Their Culture / Arab minority forces majority to abandon native language
“The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
American Commissioners to John Jay, 28 March 1786
What Was America’s First Terrorist Threat? Thomas Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates
Would you want these people as neighbors?
Georgia managed to set a cotton-yield record in 1870. The chattel were overrated.
https://lastapostle.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/king-james.jpg
Later painting:
https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/king-james-i-4.jpg
Here's the opinion of a 19th century french noble, upon visiting Egypt; definitely a white guy...https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/ce/ad/edceaddfcd28f3d138e9099e4d87b70d.jpgReplies: @Hans
They’ve always departed with lots of possessions. It’s called “shopping while black.”
And, there are instances where 12-16% African people look completely white, and then some look completely black.
Most are "exotic".Replies: @Lloyd1927
It’s not possible for someone who is only 12-16% black to look completely black. Examples?
If it were easy to zero in on drops of “black blood,” the blacks would not find themselves in embarrassing situations like this one:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/white-uw-madison-student-apologizes-for-lying-about-being-black/
I admit that I kinda skimmed this article. Back in the seventies, or whenever, a black activist was named Stolen Carburetor? Black names are kinda silly.
They think they can steal everything, this is even more laughable than Cheddar man. Here is a portrait of Beethoven as a young man, his feature are not the same as that mixed race composer, and his skin is very fair
a portrait of him as a child depicts his hair as light brown, almost blond
Can't say what color they were though.
But if you start going around yelling that "everyone is black (Black!), even whites, you are likely to get cancelled.
If "everyone is black" and only "black lives matter" then, well, you do the math...Replies: @anon
Yelling!! where do you see me yelling….
or! to the moderator who stuck my post in moderation for hours and refused to toss it. I gave him permission to toss the post but he chose to post it up too late along with the permission I gave to him toss the post. what in tarnation was he up to then…….
I am waiting on the arrival of a new keyboard. this one has gone haywire so that I cant even get quotation marks up without an e on the end of it…or them. that is why there are no quotation marks for what one anthropologist described … as despite their rainbow all the people in the world are niggers
and look at you man..you are incredible! the first people out of Africa were not necessarily Black. hahahahaha
that is the top jocularity I have run into this week so far. it wins hands down for now. but I expect you to still be tops at the week end…Saturday nite at 12:59 pm
Your post was unclear in many instances and my reference to "yelling" was metaphorical. Good however, that my post brought you some laughter and joy today. We all need it.
I wrote that I couldn't say what color the original people who migrated from Africa were. "hahahahaha" isn't an argument nor does it point to any evidence. Maybe you have a photo?
I don't know what the skin color was for these migrants (there were more than one group, most of the earlier ones appeared to have died out). I don't know if current DNA analysis on early homo sapien migrants tells us their skin color. If you have that information pls share it.
Africans have more diverse DNA (as a group) than any other race, though most are "black." Though some are coal black and others more brown. North Africans (where the early migrants started from) appear to be lighter colored like other Middle Easterners.
The characteristics which differentiate race in the modern sense are complex but no one I've read thinks that everyone on the planet is "black" (Black!) since others don't resemble modern Africans in that regard (who themselves as I noted, differ among themselves considerably.)
My post's point was that if you are making the claim that everyone is "black" then the BLM movement holds no special claims for those who are of modern African descent living in the USA. We agree that humanity is all "out of Africa." Which is why I prefer "all lives matter."Replies: @anon
Yakub would like a word.
The Tarim mummies are fascinating and do show that there were white people in western China (basically Xinjang). However I have never in my life heard anyone claim they contributed anything to Chinese civilization. The Andronovo invaders of India however did basically bring proto-hinduism and vedic in with them.
And here's a REDDIT Historians response on the topic:https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/al8o27/indoeuropeans_and_early_chinese_civilization/
https://medium.com/@PacoTaylor/ancient-chinese-secret-these-14-phenomenal-photos-reveal-there-were-indeed-black-chinese-6261468b4102
Aryan migrants were historically unimportant in India?
That’s like saying Spaniards are unimportant in Mexican history.
In truth, they have done barely anything of import. The "black studies" are just confabulation and anti-White rhetoric. Is it a "conspiracy"? Everything nowadays is a CONSPIRACY. Nothing seems accidental.
The "Protocols of Zion", "The Great Society", and even "Early Childhood Education". All of them are in fact CONSPIRACIES. To obtain POWER and MONEY through FALSE PRETENSES and BIG FAT LIES.
Beethoven is just the latest White Man victimised by these CONSPIRACIES...Replies: @Jim Don Bob
I am sorry for these people because they truly feel they do not belong anywhere. But sadly they usually pick the worse part of the mix to emulate. They could just identify as Americans, but, hey, where’s the money in that?
Negrophilia..
Clearly, you have never met anyone with 10-15 percent (1/8) subsaharan genetic admixture. Think Heather Locklear or Carol Channing.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Charlesz Martel
Heather Locklear is some part Lumbee Indian. Lumbees are Tri-Racial Isolates.
It's clear that many famous historical figures from the Palatinate/Holland area have been black.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Norm_Van_Lier_1971.JPG/800px-Norm_Van_Lier_1971.JPGReplies: @Nicholas Stix
“It’s clear that many famous historical figures from the Palatinate/Holland area have been black.”
Don’t be ridic.
Ask Schrodinger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8eeVd7R_MReplies: @syonredux, @Truth
There’s evidence that Indo-Europeans played some kind of role in Shang-era China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shang_dynasty#Military
And here’s a REDDIT Historians response on the topic:
Or do you mean the current diplomatic disaster that the London has lurched into? With the US Congress and the EU Commission both promising retaliation if England carries out its threat to unilaterally abrogate the Good Friday Agreement?Replies: @Anonymous
I’ve seen Irish nationalists claim that the reason Britain went into WWI was to frustrate Home Rule. There’s also the claim that the independence of the Free State in 1922 was what triggered the breakup of the empire.
or! to the moderator who stuck my post in moderation for hours and refused to toss it. I gave him permission to toss the post but he chose to post it up too late along with the permission I gave to him toss the post. what in tarnation was he up to then.......
I am waiting on the arrival of a new keyboard. this one has gone haywire so that I cant even get quotation marks up without an e on the end of it...or them. that is why there are no quotation marks for what one anthropologist described ... as despite their rainbow all the people in the world are niggers
and look at you man..you are incredible! the first people out of Africa were not necessarily Black. hahahahaha
that is the top jocularity I have run into this week so far. it wins hands down for now. but I expect you to still be tops at the week end...Saturday nite at 12:59 pmReplies: @Muggles
I’m not sure you can blame your failure to communicate on your keyboard. But we’ll look forward to improvement.
Your post was unclear in many instances and my reference to “yelling” was metaphorical. Good however, that my post brought you some laughter and joy today. We all need it.
I wrote that I couldn’t say what color the original people who migrated from Africa were. “hahahahaha” isn’t an argument nor does it point to any evidence. Maybe you have a photo?
I don’t know what the skin color was for these migrants (there were more than one group, most of the earlier ones appeared to have died out). I don’t know if current DNA analysis on early homo sapien migrants tells us their skin color. If you have that information pls share it.
Africans have more diverse DNA (as a group) than any other race, though most are “black.” Though some are coal black and others more brown. North Africans (where the early migrants started from) appear to be lighter colored like other Middle Easterners.
The characteristics which differentiate race in the modern sense are complex but no one I’ve read thinks that everyone on the planet is “black” (Black!) since others don’t resemble modern Africans in that regard (who themselves as I noted, differ among themselves considerably.)
My post’s point was that if you are making the claim that everyone is “black” then the BLM movement holds no special claims for those who are of modern African descent living in the USA. We agree that humanity is all “out of Africa.” Which is why I prefer “all lives matter.”
what now! I noticed that some of you trolls use the Unz as a literary test..one must be perfect to warrant the highest consideration of the english experts who comment here.
I can be perfect according to some sort of app that functions when I type correcting me all the time...except that that too is not perfect. making mistakes all the time, it cannot read my mind and has no idea of verbal or literary nuance
I ignore it any way, perfect imperfect or not.
I do not have the time to try to be perfect on the Unz Review, to edit everything I write. this is only a small part of my life, I take some minutes to sped on every so often
the major fact in reading anyway is to understand, comprehension, to get the message through all the challenges that any piece you are interested in presents you with. if you do not want to get the message therein, if you cant cope with it then put it down, move on and shut up
on the other had your point of view as further clarified seems quite reasonable. nothing I say I holds as written in stone. ultimately I do not personally know, have no direct proof and I am as dependent as we all are on the researchers. I am therefore always flexible
Wanna tear down a statue of Columbus? I bet you didn't know he was Black.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
“Wanna tear down a statue of Columbus? I bet you didn’t know he was Black.”
And gay. Extra intersectional points, because Chrissy will need all the help they can get.
It is not difficult to imagine a brilliant black musical composer.
I mean black talent in music is pretty obvious.
Whether Beethoven had black ancestors I cannot say, but it would not surprise me if it turned out to be true.
So, because the small miscegenation with blacks, Portugal is the poorest country in Western Europe ?
never did I ever expect to grow up and discover that white people are indeed a derivative of original Black people, and so are all other people..that the human species according o almost every modern anthropologist I have read call all the people in the world Black..that they are all niggers running around under a rainbow of skin tones that hides their Black fact..at least to them.
that Beethoven was Black is no like impossibility at all. he was in fact Black even if his skin was white. and there were more Black people in the world Black in those days than white. all of North Africa was Black all the way into Palestine and Europe. on the walls of a Pyramid in Egypt there is a black chronology on the walls with kings-royalty stretching back 36 thousand years, that white European scholarship refuses to deal with, hides that fact as best it could as it displays fully the short ephemeral nature of white history as such
simply by the nature of the population of that day as well as this one it was easy for Beethoven to have been anything at all Fro Dark Black to mixed to white. the dismissal of this likelihood is based on the assumption that white people were always superior to Blacks and there is no way Beethoven by dint of his professional achievement could not have been Black in any way as Black people were in no way capable f producing and educating sch as Beethoven
that in fact is the real lunacy in the issue for originally it is Europe who were savages..indeed are still savages at this time given the unchanging, limitless savagery of white people in the world from the moment they entered history to currently
I don,t care what skin color Beethoven was actually, because I know the racial nature of the human species. more importantly, I used to try to account for the nasty behavior of Black people ever since I was a kid growing up Black in the world..in which I often found that Black people were no less nasty than white people socially..in their majority..despite our history at the hands of whites under slavery-colonialism-racism.
there is the answer right there. Black people were always nasty though not in genocidal savagery like white people. Naw! I take that back! Black people have carried out genocides as well as African history exposes, -lots of them. so genocide was there from the start..not exclusively a European derivative
so there you have humanity..the whole goddamn kit and package of humanity..a Black affair from start to finish..the white aspect, development and participation, a late and lunatic embellishment of savagery on an already violent base.
and that is the thing with religion and its nonsense. religion is based on principle, on good and bad and all that nonsense! there is no good and bad in life..only cause and effect. if you want a result that meets your need you have to find out how you get that results..i.e what to do to get it and proceed to do so or you have no chance. that is all of life..period. and in that way all behavior is ..and can be...brought into line with survival. forcing ourselves to live by baseless principle, for principle sake, is insane and contributes to all the rotten issues we have placed in our own way that impedes and sets back human survival
so for humanity to have an indefinite chance in nature we must come to know nature inside out and to achieve any such fact we must organize society to produce that result. to know we must have all the people educated and productive and living to the best of their abilities. that is how we would produce the wealth of knowledge about existence which alone, along with the technology derived from it, would guarantee collective survival
I am tired of all this race crap..one of the truly backward contributions of white people to the content of human life at this time and stage. I am tired of exploitative society which is a Sword of Damocles hanging over human society. Race is crazy, lunatic, inaccurate nonsense! there is no doubt remaining, none at all that the human species evolved out of Black people..is in fact a black people. jump high jump low what you gonna do!!!!Replies: @anon, @Muggles, @R.G. Camara
You mad, bro?
90% of Blacks are notorious for only liking the latest black music offering.
Whites are the ones who kept Jazz alive for decades after it had died off in popularity. Talented Tenthers enjoy it as well, especially as it is their accomplishment, but without whites patronizing all the Jazz festivals and paying for the albums and documentaries it would’ve been forgotten.
Well, the engraving technique employed is rather pointillistic in depicting the contours of his face, and this results in a darkening of the complexion. Just zoom in to the image, and you will clearly see how this worked.
Had the rendering been done in oil rather than through engraving, this darkening would not be present, as the delineation of the facial contours would have been accomplished through an entirely different technique.
Tom Jones turned into an old black man
The "typical" Spaniard is a Celt with some Med ancestry: white skin, brown hair with occasional blue and green eyes.
Now, the Spanish upper class is *strongly* Visigothic. Even today, the word "Godo"("Goth") is a common pejorative term for Spaniard in Latin America. The Kingdoms of Castilla and Asturias were both founded by Visigothic kings. Here is princess Leonor, the Crown Princess of Spain. As you can see, she is a natural blond with baby blue eyes.
There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America. Not only because she is a real pricesss, but because of her beauty and her sense of style and elegance. They try to mimick her way of dressing, but even rich girls can't afford all her attire. It is easy to be a stunning dresser when you have the National Treasury paying for it(because the Nation wants thier Crown Princess to look as stunning as possible). She truly looks like a fairy tale princess straight out of a Grimm Brothers story: https://youtu.be/V2NNFZM557QReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Bill Jones
Leonor does not dress expensive at all. The Royals are careful about that. She’ll do high street brands like Mango, Zara, traditional shoes Inexpensive like menorquinas. Her coloring comes from her Greek grandmother, who inherited the looks to King Felipe, who could have been his daughter’s twin (when he was her age).
Though I personally like how Leonor dresses, she is chided by the media for not being fashion forward. Her cousin Victoria Federica —who dresses not at all to my liking— is considered a cooler dresser. I highly doubt American teens consider her an “it girl”. Why lie?
Was Ronald Reagan descended from the Black Irish?
Pretty sure Mikhail Gorbachev was Black. That’s why he was good at tearing down that wall.
The question not ever asked. Does this type of thing actually help blacks?
Can patronizing the ignorant ACTUALLY help them? No.
Remember the brown hornet on Fat Albert?
He was a black superhero that taught moral lessons.
Bill Cosby actually wanted blacks to behave responsibly.
That’s probably why he’s really in jail. Sex crimes in Hollywood are rarely enforced.
Who profits from this nonsense? Who makes the money from it?
Who patronizes blacks like a con artist to butter them up for dinner?
I don’t have to spell it out for you.
EVERYTHING nowadays seems like a CONSPIRACY.
Am I paranoid, or am I right? You might lose sleep thinking about it.
Grauniad
1969, hit mass consciousness when Rolling Stone magazine ran a story headlined: “Beethoven was black and proud!” …
It’s not exactly gaslighting. Maybe it’s blacklighting?
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306677588274929673That's putting it mildly, Matt. She claimed that preserving slavery was a major reason for the the American Revolution. That was historical illiteracy of a very high order.Which means that YT is the baddie.....Why would i want to live in a country where I am the bad guy?
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306678532068835329And, therefore, Whites have less.....Then, as the next step, we can take down the statues all of the other people who have committed crimes against the BIPOC: Washington, John Adams, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, .....
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1306682053359022084Replies: @Clemsnman, @Je Suis Omar Mateen
More proof that anybody displaying a face diaper on their Twitter profile is an imbecile.
Though I personally like how Leonor dresses, she is chided by the media for not being fashion forward. Her cousin Victoria Federica —who dresses not at all to my liking— is considered a cooler dresser. I highly doubt American teens consider her an “it girl”. Why lie?Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherGuessModel
You are clearly very ignorant. First, her Greek ancestry is insignificant. Secondly, I never claimed that she is an “it” girl, dummy. I said she is a classy and elegant dresser. There is a difference. Just one of the Louboutin heels she is wearing in one of the video omages of her, which was custom-made for her, costs over 10K. You clearly don’t know anything. And yes, there are several internet groups, mostly of teenaged girls, who worship her. And most of the girls are American.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2020/a-history-of-black-classical-music
BBC Radio 3 celebrates the impact of black composers on the history of Western classical music with three hour-long episodes, part of A History Of Black Classical Music, debuting on the station’s airwaves on Sunday 10 May at 11pm.
Presented by acclaimed Jamaican-born, UK-based composer Eleanor Alberga, the series foregrounds often forgotten figures, highlights the influence musical traditions such as the spirituals have had on Western composers, and overall charts the history of black people, their heritage, and their impact on the wider cultural life in Europe and America.Replies: @Dube
Thanks. Attention drawn to black composers in the classical conversation is to the good. Here’s an excerpt from the promotional copy.
This is a stretch unless you believe that reality mirrors the movies. I was trying to get the clip from Copying Beethoven where Ed Harris, in a great portrayal as the gifted brute, takes off his shirt and tells his lovely copyist, “Wash me.” Quite muscular white. But if anyone here has not enjoyed Agnieszka Holland’s forgivable confection, try the trailer.
In Andaluzia, you have Mediterraneans with about 10% Moorish ancestroy
Nope. I had the same ~10% Maghreb admixture notion for the modern black haired black eyed spaniards in the south Andalusia Extremadura etc …but it’s not accurate.
There is a DNA survey that proves the Spain Maghreb admix is very very low. So the dark hair eyes comes from somewhere else. Makes sense because even way down south of Spain the “dark” Spanish ladies have pale olive skin and no negroid features.
They do look vaguely Arab but not too much. That’s why they’re so hot.
As for the Spanish guys I’m not a homo and don’t really care but not doubt Pres Jose Maria Aznar got elected on classic dark spanish looks. When he was young he had the funny Saddam Hussein style thick black mustache. Northern guys in Wales and Germany etc might have the dark hair but no North Euro has those black eyes like Aznar. Those eyes are from Maghreb/Levant.
I think it was the gene flow from the Carthaginians aka phoenicians…
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Anonymous[162] • September 17, 2020 at 8:50 pm GMT • 200 Steve Sailer, there are three different types of Spaniard.
I am obsessed with the north vs south light vs dark phenotype spectrum that is found in many countries. BECAUSE IT IS THE MARK OF A HOBBLED NATION.
America was truly great when the country had no north vs south color shift (excepting descendants of slaves of course).
But now we have the MARK of a dysfunctional nation. All across the southern US there is a sea of middle east far east meztizo/meso/indio black haired black eyed peoples. They are aliens who will never carry on the American traditions.
IT’S A HARBINGER OF PROFOUND DECLINE and we never voted for it.
https://blog.timesunion.com/movies/files/2015/05/orson.jpgReplies: @Reg Cæsar
So that’s where Vinheteiro gets his stage presence.
Of course the layers of cultural appropriation are onion-like on this one. A black Beethoven wrote his Symphony, blacks invented Disco (just part of the general decay of American black musical culture since Blind Willie Johnson) and then a white guy stole both of their cultural artifacts to enrich himself.
The injustice.Replies: @guest
If blacks invented disco, they stole at least half of it from Latin America.
Though I presume all brown people are somehow black anyway.
Sounds like something Mozart would have been spanked for writing, aged four.Replies: @obwandiyag
You fucking tone-deaf moron.
You don’t understand anything about music. A Beethoven symphony is not merely some jazz licks. The transcendent spirit and beauty of Beethoven’s music is that of a White man.
All portraits of Beethoven show him to be white-skinned.
1969, hit mass consciousness when Rolling Stone magazine ran a story headlined: “Beethoven was black and proud!” …
It's not exactly gaslighting. Maybe it's blacklighting?Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey
And he cannot account for his whereabouts on the night Jacky coakeley went through a glass table
Nope. I had the same ~10% Maghreb admixture notion for the modern black haired black eyed spaniards in the south Andalusia Extremadura etc ...but it's not accurate.
There is a DNA survey that proves the Spain Maghreb admix is very very low. So the dark hair eyes comes from somewhere else. Makes sense because even way down south of Spain the "dark" Spanish ladies have pale olive skin and no negroid features.
They do look vaguely Arab but not too much. That's why they're so hot.
As for the Spanish guys I'm not a homo and don't really care but not doubt Pres Jose Maria Aznar got elected on classic dark spanish looks. When he was young he had the funny Saddam Hussein style thick black mustache. Northern guys in Wales and Germany etc might have the dark hair but no North Euro has those black eyes like Aznar. Those eyes are from Maghreb/Levant.
I think it was the gene flow from the Carthaginians aka phoenicians...
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Anonymous[162] • September 17, 2020 at 8:50 pm GMT • 200 @Steve Sailer Steve Sailer, there are three different types of Spaniard.Replies: @S. Anonyia
There might be some Phoenician gene flow, but Jose Maria Aznar does not look remotely Levantine without his mustache. He could easily be of almost any ethnicity in Western Europe. His eyes were pretty dark in his younger photos, but not as much in his middle age. I’ve seen some Northern Euros with eyes that dark. It’s not common but it happens- my mother is 95 percent Northern Euro and has eyes that dark. “Black” in her younger photos. Mine are approaching that but not quite.
Kindly show the photo of Leonor wearing Louboutins?
Instapundit picks up on this theme: https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/401268/
Sooner or later Steve, someone is gonna mention your name. Are you ready to handle all the fame, money, drugs, and groupies that will follow?
If it were easy to zero in on drops of "black blood," the blacks would not find themselves in embarrassing situations like this one:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/white-uw-madison-student-apologizes-for-lying-about-being-black/Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
Yes, that was the case in South Africa during the apartheid era, I forgot names. Black “gene” simply jumped over a few generations.
Thorstein Veblen's "Theory of the Leisure" class explains a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201209/when-is-tan-socially-desirableReplies: @Bill
Rednecks?
Thanks for the confirmation. I believed the story at the time although the notion of such poverty in the States was a bit shocking.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3MTc5NTc5NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzQzNzg3MQ@@._V1_UY317_CR4,0,214,317_AL_.jpgReplies: @Lars Porsena
I think that’s basically what Cheddar Man was supposed to look like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVZB3zJ35I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8eeVd7R_MReplies: @syonredux, @Truth
Well the indigenous Chinese were kinda cool.
https://medium.com/@PacoTaylor/ancient-chinese-secret-these-14-phenomenal-photos-reveal-there-were-indeed-black-chinese-6261468b4102
In a culture that worked harder at assimilation more people of non-Euro background could take pride in being part of Western Civilization and tangentially connected to its accomplishments. But in today's culture of strict separation based on racial/ethnic identity, Blackness reigns supreme, which unfortunately highlights the immense chasm between the historical and present day achievements of America's most important minority and those of the now hated majority population of the various Western nations.Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth, @pirelli, @ATBOTL, @Thomasina, @Curmudgeon, @Bill Jones
“Stuff like this is when I actually feel sorry for blacks – from claims of being the real Jews, having ruled Egypt, to various giants of politics/culture being secretly black, it all has a grasping quality that 90% of people recognize straight off.”
The sad thing is that the 85 IQ guarantees that it’s a comical failure.
You can ridicule the Beethoven-was-black brigade, but the wokers’ habit of rewriting history is a thoroughly sinister thing, especially as the mainsteam media are increasingly willing to credit their lies.
Though I personally like how Leonor dresses, she is chided by the media for not being fashion forward. Her cousin Victoria Federica —who dresses not at all to my liking— is considered a cooler dresser. I highly doubt American teens consider her an “it girl”. Why lie?Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherGuessModel
The Greek ex-royal family is mostly Danish and German, and none of its members, at least of significant rank, ever married a Greek. They are not remotely ethnically Greek, and even their legal claim to Greek nationality is complicated.
Even if it’s proven that Beethoven had African ancestry, he’d still have to go through the draft:
“The thing is, black Americans have made enormous contributions to American popular culture”
Don’t you think that that’s a reflection on the depravity of American popular culture rather than the of the creative genius of blacks?
(I know, I know, it's always the other guy who is gauche).Replies: @Bill Jones
The "typical" Spaniard is a Celt with some Med ancestry: white skin, brown hair with occasional blue and green eyes.
Now, the Spanish upper class is *strongly* Visigothic. Even today, the word "Godo"("Goth") is a common pejorative term for Spaniard in Latin America. The Kingdoms of Castilla and Asturias were both founded by Visigothic kings. Here is princess Leonor, the Crown Princess of Spain. As you can see, she is a natural blond with baby blue eyes.
There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America. Not only because she is a real pricesss, but because of her beauty and her sense of style and elegance. They try to mimick her way of dressing, but even rich girls can't afford all her attire. It is easy to be a stunning dresser when you have the National Treasury paying for it(because the Nation wants thier Crown Princess to look as stunning as possible). She truly looks like a fairy tale princess straight out of a Grimm Brothers story: https://youtu.be/V2NNFZM557QReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Bill Jones
“There is a cult following of Princess Leonor among teenaged girls in America.”
How do you know about the cults that teenaged girls join?
Are you some sort of scout for Biden?
Angry, psychotic, crazy ideas, suddenly goes on a rampage?
Was Hitler really Black?Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Uh yes he was, actually. Is there a problem with that?
By the way, White IS a color.
That’s the banner people should start raiding in public peaceful protests.
If it’s a part of Crayola Crayon box, then it’s a color.
Agree. Just saying Leonor’s blond locks do not come from her Spanish Borbón side (Grandfather Juan Carlos was blond as a child but grew up to look dark haired Spanish) . Not that they’re not blonds in parts of Spain.
T.Chris says: September 17, 2020 at 12:57 pm Octoroons? Phoenicians? Where do you get this stuff? Ever hear of Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia?
You selectively quoted me and left out this part of my comment: …Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age…
Why try to ascribe the traits only to Anatolian farmers when it’s clearly a multilayered cake.
I noted the stone age element in my comment. But it’s hardly determinative. Your own posted 2015 genome data map shows no Anatolia variance within the med countries. The 1993 map is not actual DNA data.
Also direct negroid mix is a part of Portuguese history and indirect (via Maghreb) is part of Spanish history. But the word octaroon triggers you.
And OK people get upset by any mention of Phoenicians. Whatever. Deal with it. There’s statuary of Hannibal and his phenotype is honky cracker peckerwood. But we can’t tell pigments from the statue so I will just toss the mysterious seafaring people into the mix and troll the crap out of people like you.
https://i.postimg.cc/dwWb2XN0/admixture-k3.png
Ludwig van Beethoven may have had black blood and also a Black soul, but that problematic just dwarfs in regard of a so much more remarkable fact that should be considered as the most prominent : he was a transgender queer. He was born a woman and achieved manliness through a cery adroit kind of surgery only Dutch Jews than had the secret of. My hope is that meanwhile more and more negroes in the US learn to play violin sonatas to render due honors to that so multicultural composer the Nazis later on, after his death, deported in spirit to Auschwitz, forced to play nazi military marches and entertain Nazi gorillas, reduced to a famished death camp orchestra conductor leading his own kind to the gas chambers. This is the ultimate proof of Beethoven’s Jewishness.
Don't you think that that's a reflection on the depravity of American popular culture rather than the of the creative genius of blacks?Replies: @Truth
You’re American.
(I know, I know, it’s always the other guy who is gauche).
Sometimes, despite your greatest efforts, one of you guys hits on something…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XsgaBl7KMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdyfuNnaOMReplies: @Badger Down
So Beethoven was SCOTTISH! The camera never lies.
If you like the underwear pics, feel free to keep that to yourself.Replies: @GoRedWings!
That’s a different Ronaldo.
Steve isn’t aware of the fact that the player he talks about is referred to as Cristiano Ronaldo (CR7) because of the guy you’re thinking of. There’s also a Ronaldinho…
Your post was unclear in many instances and my reference to "yelling" was metaphorical. Good however, that my post brought you some laughter and joy today. We all need it.
I wrote that I couldn't say what color the original people who migrated from Africa were. "hahahahaha" isn't an argument nor does it point to any evidence. Maybe you have a photo?
I don't know what the skin color was for these migrants (there were more than one group, most of the earlier ones appeared to have died out). I don't know if current DNA analysis on early homo sapien migrants tells us their skin color. If you have that information pls share it.
Africans have more diverse DNA (as a group) than any other race, though most are "black." Though some are coal black and others more brown. North Africans (where the early migrants started from) appear to be lighter colored like other Middle Easterners.
The characteristics which differentiate race in the modern sense are complex but no one I've read thinks that everyone on the planet is "black" (Black!) since others don't resemble modern Africans in that regard (who themselves as I noted, differ among themselves considerably.)
My post's point was that if you are making the claim that everyone is "black" then the BLM movement holds no special claims for those who are of modern African descent living in the USA. We agree that humanity is all "out of Africa." Which is why I prefer "all lives matter."Replies: @anon
I shud not even have mentioned my keyboard and its failings. I write what I can. you understand if you can..what the hell! . if you cant put it aside and on your way.
what now! I noticed that some of you trolls use the Unz as a literary test..one must be perfect to warrant the highest consideration of the english experts who comment here.
I can be perfect according to some sort of app that functions when I type correcting me all the time…except that that too is not perfect. making mistakes all the time, it cannot read my mind and has no idea of verbal or literary nuance
I ignore it any way, perfect imperfect or not.
I do not have the time to try to be perfect on the Unz Review, to edit everything I write. this is only a small part of my life, I take some minutes to sped on every so often
the major fact in reading anyway is to understand, comprehension, to get the message through all the challenges that any piece you are interested in presents you with. if you do not want to get the message therein, if you cant cope with it then put it down, move on and shut up
on the other had your point of view as further clarified seems quite reasonable. nothing I say I holds as written in stone. ultimately I do not personally know, have no direct proof and I am as dependent as we all are on the researchers. I am therefore always flexible
You selectively quoted me and left out this part of my comment: ...Phoenicians or maybe some steppe nomads from the stone age...
Why try to ascribe the traits only to Anatolian farmers when it's clearly a multilayered cake.
I noted the stone age element in my comment. But it's hardly determinative. Your own posted 2015 genome data map shows no Anatolia variance within the med countries. The 1993 map is not actual DNA data.
Also direct negroid mix is a part of Portuguese history and indirect (via Maghreb) is part of Spanish history. But the word octaroon triggers you.
And OK people get upset by any mention of Phoenicians. Whatever. Deal with it. There's statuary of Hannibal and his phenotype is honky cracker peckerwood. But we can't tell pigments from the statue so I will just toss the mysterious seafaring people into the mix and troll the crap out of people like you.Replies: @T.Chris
I thought you were just confused since steppe nomads are from the BRONZE Age, and since most people around here believe Steppe nomads = “Aryans” = Nordics (which is false).
Well Anatolian isn’t the only ancient ancestry, and selection has taken place, so it’s not a perfect correlation. But the point is dark features in Europe go way back to prehistoric times, and that ancestry is still dominant. So Occam’s razor says that’s the source – not Phoenicians or Moors or any other small groups from much later that didn’t even change the language or religion.
Not “triggered”, just laughing at the inaccuracy. Octoroon means 12.5% black, whereas Iberians barely have any black admixture at all:
(I know, I know, it's always the other guy who is gauche).Replies: @Bill Jones
You are a liar.