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From The Guardian’s news section (I try to distinguish between what is labeled “News” and “Opinion”):

New York Times columnist accused of eugenics over piece on Jewish intelligence

Bret Stephens faces backlash after suggesting that Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than other people

by Edward Helmore

The rightwing New York Times columnist Bret Stephens has sparked furious controversy online for a column praising Ashkenazi Jews for their scientific accomplishments, which critics say amounts to embracing eugenics.

In a column titled The Secrets of Jewish Genius and using a picture of Albert Einstein, Stephens stepped in the eugenics minefield by claiming that Ashkenazi Jews are more intelligent than other people and think differently. …

That prompted furious accusations that Stephens was using the same genetics arguments that informed Nazism and white supremacist thinking.

“It’s hard to read this column as expressing anything other than a belief in the genetic and cultural inferiority of non-Ashkenazi Jews; it’s hard to tell if that’s intentional or due to appalling sloppiness, but either way it’s not the sort of thing the Times should be running,” tweeted Tim Marchman, editorial director of Vice.

New York Times contributor Jody Rosen offered on Twitter: “Speaking as both an Ashkenazi Jew and a NYT contributor, I don’t think eugenicists should be op-ed columnists.”

“A Jew endorsing the idea that certain races are inherently superior to other, lesser races, what could possibly go wrong?” asked the journalist Ashley Feinberg on Twitter.

In contrast, here is Steven Pinker in The New Republic way back in 2006:

Groups and Genes
By STEVEN PINKER
June 25, 2006

The lessons of the Ashkenazim.
My grandparents were immigrants from Eastern Europe who owned a small necktie factory on the outskirts of Montreal. While visiting them one weekend, I found my grandfather on the factory floor, cutting shapes out of irregular stacks of cloth with a fabric saw. He explained that by carving up the remnants that were left over when the neckties had been cut out and stitching them together in places that didn’t show, he could get a few extra ties out of each sheet of cloth. I asked him why he was doing this himself rather than leaving it to his employees. He shrugged, tapped his forehead, and said, “Goyishe kop,” a term of condescension that literally means “gentile head.”

He wasn’t exactly serious, but he wasn’t exactly not serious either. Jews have long had an ambivalent attitude toward their own intelligence, and toward their reputation for intelligence. There is an ethnic pride at the prevalence of Jews in occupations that reward brainpower. A droll e-mail called “New Words to Add to Your Jewish Vocabulary” includes “jewbiliation, N: pride in finding out that one’s favorite celebrity is Jewish” and “meinstein, N: My son, the genius.” Many Jews subscribe to a folk theory that attributes Jewish intelligence to what would have to be the weirdest example of sexual selection in the living world: that for generations in the shtetl, the brightest yeshiva boy was betrothed to the daughter of the richest man, thereby favoring the genes, if such genes there are, for Talmudic pilpul.

But pride has always been haunted by fear that public acknowledge of Jewish achievement could fuel the perception of “Jewish domination” of institutions. And any characterization of Jews in biological terms smacks of Nazi pseudoscience about “the Jewish race.” A team of scientists from the University of Utah recently strode into this minefield with their article “Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence,” which was published online in the Journal of Biosocial Science a year ago, and was soon publicized in The New York Times, The Economist, and on the cover of New York magazine.

The Utah researchers Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending (henceforth CH&H) proposed that Ashkenazi Jews have a genetic advantage in intelligence, and that the advantage arose from natural selection for success in middleman occupations (moneylending, selling, and estate management) during the first millennium of their existence in northern Europe, from about 800 C.E. to 1600 C.E. Since rapid selection of a single trait often brings along deleterious by-products, this evolutionary history also bequeathed the genetic diseases known to be common among Ashkenazim, such as Tay-Sachs and Gaucher’s.

The CH&H study quickly became a target of harsh denunciation and morbid fascination. It raises two questions. How good is the evidence for this audacious hypothesis? And what, if any, are the political and moral implications?

The appearance of an advantage in average intelligence among Ashkenazi Jews is easier to establish than its causes. Jews are remarkably over-represented in benchmarks of brainpower. Though never exceeding 3 percent of the American population, Jews account for 37 percent of the winners of the U.S. National Medal of Science, 25 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in literature, 40 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in science and economics, and so on. On the world stage, we find that 54 percent of the world chess champions have had one or two Jewish parents.

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  1. Don’t defend people like him, who have campaigned against any immigration restriction in the US while in the meantime defending Israel to the hilt. His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. He won’t extend any intellectual defence of the principle itself.

    Unlike Watson, who was principled until his last breath on the issue of race and genetics, even as the NYT ran increasingly hostile articles against him in his last dying breaths.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Steve isn’t playing defense. He’s on the offensive and should be.
    , @Dan Hayes
    I am pleased to report that proud Irish-American James Watson is still alive although in ill-health due to age and an accident!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Are you talking about the same James Watson who Steve writes about often, the scientist? He's still breathing.
    , @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.
  2. Coheeeeen!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Or rather, “KAAAAHHN!”
  3. The CH&H study quickly became a target of harsh denunciation

    What an age we live in. Denounced without being read, probably.

    The motto of self-styled “liberals” should definitely be the phrase that emerges from the courts from time to time regarding unacceptable utterances, “the truth is no defence”.

  4. @Thulean Friend
    Don't defend people like him, who have campaigned against any immigration restriction in the US while in the meantime defending Israel to the hilt. His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. He won't extend any intellectual defence of the principle itself.

    Unlike Watson, who was principled until his last breath on the issue of race and genetics, even as the NYT ran increasingly hostile articles against him in his last dying breaths.

    Steve isn’t playing defense. He’s on the offensive and should be.

  5. @Thulean Friend
    Don't defend people like him, who have campaigned against any immigration restriction in the US while in the meantime defending Israel to the hilt. His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. He won't extend any intellectual defence of the principle itself.

    Unlike Watson, who was principled until his last breath on the issue of race and genetics, even as the NYT ran increasingly hostile articles against him in his last dying breaths.

    I am pleased to report that proud Irish-American James Watson is still alive although in ill-health due to age and an accident!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I believe Watson is mostly English, and like a quarter Irish. I don't know how proud he is of his Irish ancestry. He's made anti-Irish comments in the past:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ucc-removes-name-of-nobel-winner-dr-james-watson-from-building-over-race-comments-904745.html

    In 2003 he said the Irish curse was not alcohol, but ignorance. "I grew up with that, where the Irish were, you know, not a serious people — blarney, full of blarney," said Professor Watson. "You can be real dumb or you can seem dumb because you don’t know anything — that’s all I’m saying. The Irish seemed dumb because they didn’t know anything."
     
  6. @Thulean Friend
    Don't defend people like him, who have campaigned against any immigration restriction in the US while in the meantime defending Israel to the hilt. His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. He won't extend any intellectual defence of the principle itself.

    Unlike Watson, who was principled until his last breath on the issue of race and genetics, even as the NYT ran increasingly hostile articles against him in his last dying breaths.

    Are you talking about the same James Watson who Steve writes about often, the scientist? He’s still breathing.

  7. “It’s hard to read this column as expressing anything other than a belief in the genetic and cultural inferiority of non-Ashkenazi Jews…,” tweeted Tim Marchman, editorial director of Vice.

    So …

    NYT Now Openly Jewish Supremicist; Sephardim Hardest Hit

    ?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain - not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.
  8. The rightwing New York Times columnist Bret Stephens

    Possibly the most offensive line in the post.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Flip
    The neo-cons are about as rightwing as Trotsky.
  9. @Almost Missouri

    “It’s hard to read this column as expressing anything other than a belief in the genetic and cultural inferiority of non-Ashkenazi Jews...,” tweeted Tim Marchman, editorial director of Vice.
     
    So ...

    NYT Now Openly Jewish Supremicist; Sephardim Hardest Hit
     
    ?

    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain – not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    • Replies: @res

    Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.
     
    Thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if it shows up in their genetics. Are the different groups relatively isolated? For how long? I wonder what balance of admixture/evolution/culture might be involved here.
    , @kaganovitch
    It seems the Jungle/Fancy taxonomy is universally valid! Perhaps we can call it Wong's Law?
    , @Old Palo Altan
    I descend from a family of Portuguese origin who ended up in the Netherlands around 1600. It is generally thought that they were actually Jews, although they passed themselves off as nobles who had had to flee Catholic Iberia once they had become Protestants. They were booksellers and printers (not exactly aristocratic, that) who married into the much more famous Elsevier publishing family, a family which, much later, actually was ennobled.

    Anyway, I like the idea that I have a smidgeon of Sephardic blood - of the better kind of course.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I considered writing "Mizrahi", but the term has a complicated meaning history. And I think everyone understood "Sepharim" as shorthand for "non-Ashkenazi".

    Still, I thank you for the additional background.

  10. What Pinker apparently didn’t realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the “gentile heads.”

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    What Pinker apparently didn’t realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the “gentile heads.”
     
    I read the story differently. I interpreted the grandfather to be deprecating himself for cutting the pieces himself, rather than coming up with the idea of having his employees do it.

    With either interpretation, however, it is notable that Pinker cannot bring himself to reveal to the reader the real meaning of the term as employed in its context: “Stupid,” as in “I am stupid” or “They are stupid.” He obscures the meaning behind a technical literal definition. Evidently, Pinker himself doesn’t trust the goyim.
    , @Hibernian
    Ties made of odds and ends stitched together don't seem to me to be anything to brag about.
    , @SteveM

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.
     
    There actually is a formal Linear Programming algorithm for solving those kinds of ("cutting stock") problems to optimize the utilization of materials.

    Note that the Linear Programming algorithm was initially formulated by Jewish Soviet mathematician Leonid Kantorovich. Kantorovich's concept was generalized into the Simplex algorithm by Jewish American mathematician George Danzig.

    So even though Pinker's Jewish grandfather had not come up with "a geometry-based system" his fellow Jewish Landsmänner did.
  11. @Hippopotamusdrome
    Coheeeeen!
    http://speculativefaith.lorehaven.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/05/startrek2thewrathofkhan_kirkyellskhan-150x150.jpg

    Or rather, “KAAAAHHN!”

  12. Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.

    • Replies: @Cowboy Shaw
    It's going to be a very interesting test. I think you might be right. Lefty Twitter is going absolutely mental - I don't think I've seen a frenzy like it.
    , @Hibernian
    Well, after all, he's a conservative.
    , @JUSA

    Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.
     
    He's a Jew, so he's also a born "victim". NYT can't fire him or they'd be anti-Semites. Besides, the paper has been owned by a Jewish family since the late 1800's. They ain't gonna fire their own for tooting their own horns. It's what they do best.
  13. • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a "White nationalist?"
  14. It’s weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can’t take his own side in an argument.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It is kind of funny that all the black guys lined up behind Obama and lots of women lined up behind Hillary, but when Bernie started doing well all the Jews worried it would increase antisemitism.
    , @Bigdicknick
    It's because once people starting noticing things it's hard to stop them noticing other things.
    , @Anonymous

    It’s weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can’t take his own side in an argument.
     
    What Stephens has written is hidden knowledge. It isn’t good for the Jews that it be known by the Gentiles.

    Such knowledge could cause Whites to approach marriage/intermarriage in more selective/exclusive terms and that in turn would have the effect of halting the trajectory toward extinction that they are on. Would frustrate the plan.
    , @Hibernian
    That line originated with one of the Southern Agrarians, I think in the '30s.
  15. @Jack D
    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain - not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    Thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if it shows up in their genetics. Are the different groups relatively isolated? For how long? I wonder what balance of admixture/evolution/culture might be involved here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain - they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the '50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.
  16. The question of Jewish IQ should expand to include all other groups/casts/tribes that have been limited to or have limited themselves to trading occupations for centuries. A perfect example is bania/vaish caste of India who have been doing trading/selling type occupations per the Hindu caste system for close to 2500 years now. Ever come across a surname like Gupta from India, that’s who they are. So when I look at anecdotal evidence of who excels in standardized tests in India, it’s these type of people who are vastely over represented. I will try to share some actual statistics in the coming days.

    The HBD folks should do everything to expand this question of IQ excellence to groups beyond Jews, or else the ghosts of 1940’s will drown out any conversation. And if this thing does get any traction, guess what remedy could be proposed…. a reverse quota on any group that has historical IQ advantage.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The HBD folks should do everything to expand this question of IQ excellence to groups beyond Jews, or else the ghosts of 1940’s will drown out any conversation. And if this thing does get any traction, guess what remedy could be proposed…. a reverse quota on any group that has historical IQ advantage.
     
    Wouldn’t such quotas be to the benefit of Whites vis-a-vis Jews, Chinese, and certain subcontinental castes?
  17. @res

    Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.
     
    Thanks for pointing that out. I wonder if it shows up in their genetics. Are the different groups relatively isolated? For how long? I wonder what balance of admixture/evolution/culture might be involved here.

    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain – they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the ’50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    • Replies: @Cato
    Among the "highest" of the Sephardim are some who never left the West: Baruch Spinoza (seminal Enlightenment thinker); David Ricardo (key figure in the development of political economy as an abstract, deductive science); and Benjamin Disraeli (novelist, British Prime Minister). The former two had origins in the Sephardic community that found refuge in the Netherlands; Disraeli's ancestors (who were partially Ashkenazi) had roots in Italy.
    , @kaganovitch
    The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    There was also a, perhaps unavoidable, culture clash between a modern bureaucratic State and recent pre-modern Yemeni immigrants. If you understand Hebrew, Sallah Shabbati - a 1964 minor masterpiece Israeli film - conveys something of the flavor of the period.
    , @res
    Thanks for elaborating. Does that mean the following grouping is a reasonable way to think of most of the Jews? Would you propose any other groups?

    1. true Sephardim - as you said, descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492.
    2. other Mizrahi [Eastern] - descendants of Jews who never left the East (often included in "Sephardic")
    3. Ashkenzai - descendants of Jews from Germany and Eastern Europe

    A quick look at Wikipedia indicates that is basically accurate. I guess I have just seen too much misuse of "Sephardic."

    How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai? (from your comment I am guessing the latter)

    P.S. This seems relevant and muddies the waters a bit:
    https://forward.com/opinion/world/387971/many-sephardic-jews-arent-actually-sephardic/
    No mention of Mizrahi and expands Sephardic to include North Africa. This article (from a comment there) also seems relevant:
    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/uncategorized/2014/06/mizrahi-nation/
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Some of [the Sephardim] made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc.
     
    Including the grandfather of Emma Lazarus. She was horrified by the wild state of the Eastern European Ashkenazi pouring into the country, but felt duty-bound to help them. Hence the famous doggerel, and the HIAC.

    She split her time between Manhattan and Newport, and had an unrequited crush on a first cousin. That sounds creepy to post-eugenics us, but not necessarily to the colonials. There was a first cousin-once-removed marriage between the early descendants of Lyon Gardiner of nearby Gardiner's Island.

    There is a loophole in Rhode Island law to this day allowing Jews to marry their nieces. Apparently avuncular marriage was a thing with the Mediterranean Jews. Check out the NY Court of Appeals case Matter of May for a juicy example.

    https://casetext.com/case/matter-of-may-33a

    https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/1953/305-n-y-486-0.html
  18. Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Uk
    So many people here project their own power fantasies onto Jews it is unreal.

    One would think any adult would be more sophisticated than to broadcast their own shortcomings so obviously.
    , @baked georgia
    this is exactly my reading of their power.

    people forget that, in usa, iq tests show that people from mainline protestant religion (i.e. northern europeans) have the same iq as them. and if you check europe vs israel, europe is higher, even with the non-europeans taking tests.

    this applies also to bank loans, which obviously vary from client to client. if you're one of them, it's easier for their to cover your risk.

    and the larger the corporations are, the more they can afford on nepotism. without counting stuff like "diversity hearing". and many gentile whites still believe that they will destroy themselves if they do that!

    although I do think it's very unlikely that they're just 2% of the usa population, worldwide the overrepresentation is even bigger, because to understand power you had to consider mostly ashkenazi that arent hasidic (they dont get involved in business, etc) and ignore the rest.
    , @Anonymous
    I've seen examples of both insanely egregious and very noble behavior towards outsiders by Jews, also by other insular groups. Hindus in IT in American corporations are notorious for running out all the non-dots, then the head runs out the members of other subcastes or groups. Mormons you sometimes have to watch pretty closely too.

    My policy: trust no one, be suspicious on an equal opportunity basis.
    , @vinteuil
    This is absurd. Favoritism based on familial & other sorts of relationship is central to virtually all pre-Christian & pre-theoretical morality.

    You are mistaking universalism/impartialism for morality.
    , @JUSA

    jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
     
    Yep. And this is why Indians are the new Jews. They behave just like their Jewish masters and are increasingly taking over tech, law, medicine, media, academia, DNC...all the spheres the Jews excel in.

    Here's the real secret to the Jews' success:

    Clannishness + Shameless Dishonesty = Jewish Success.

    , @JCMR
    Jim Stone explains it simply and correctly in his blog: "The Jews did not take everything over by being the best, they did it via subversion and taking control."
  19. …could fuel the perception of “Jewish domination” of institutions…

    And God forbid we actually address that empirically.

  20. @Jack D
    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain - not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    It seems the Jungle/Fancy taxonomy is universally valid! Perhaps we can call it Wong’s Law?

    • Replies: @SFG
    Well, people adapt to their environments. Stick one of each in the backwoods for a week and we'll see who survives.
  21. (I try to distinguish between what is labeled “News” and “Opinion”)

    What is your motivation for doing that?

  22. @Jack D
    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain - they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the '50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    Among the “highest” of the Sephardim are some who never left the West: Baruch Spinoza (seminal Enlightenment thinker); David Ricardo (key figure in the development of political economy as an abstract, deductive science); and Benjamin Disraeli (novelist, British Prime Minister). The former two had origins in the Sephardic community that found refuge in the Netherlands; Disraeli’s ancestors (who were partially Ashkenazi) had roots in Italy.

    • Replies: @Uk
    Sephardi (not Mizrahi) is much classier than Ashkenazi in the UK. Real snob value in it. Old money and sophistication unlike peasant Schlomo from the shtetl or whatever the name is.
    , @Lot
    Italian Sephardi and ancient Italian Jews are pretty similar but remained somewhat separate for a long time. They can be grouped together and are each others’ closest ethic relatives.

    Disraeli was Italian in his paternal line, but his grandfather married two Italian Sephardi.
    , @Anon
    Please stop spreading the Jewish talking point about Spinoza the influential genius; he was neither.
  23. @Jack D
    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain - they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the '50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    There was also a, perhaps unavoidable, culture clash between a modern bureaucratic State and recent pre-modern Yemeni immigrants. If you understand Hebrew, Sallah Shabbati – a 1964 minor masterpiece Israeli film – conveys something of the flavor of the period.

    • Replies: @CJ
    I saw Sallah Shabbati when I was in college in the late 1970s. What I remember about it is the sardonic portrayal of the kibbutz system, which I at the time associated with hippie communes and other social experiments of the period. It was one of a series of foreign films that students in a sociology class could view and then write essays about. I wasn’t in the class, but was dating a girl who was so I watched the film with her.

    Bizarre fun fact ... the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.
  24. @Jack D
    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain - not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    I descend from a family of Portuguese origin who ended up in the Netherlands around 1600. It is generally thought that they were actually Jews, although they passed themselves off as nobles who had had to flee Catholic Iberia once they had become Protestants. They were booksellers and printers (not exactly aristocratic, that) who married into the much more famous Elsevier publishing family, a family which, much later, actually was ennobled.

    Anyway, I like the idea that I have a smidgeon of Sephardic blood – of the better kind of course.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Have you ever had DNA testing? Ancestry.com, that kind of thing?
  25. @kaganovitch
    It seems the Jungle/Fancy taxonomy is universally valid! Perhaps we can call it Wong's Law?

    Well, people adapt to their environments. Stick one of each in the backwoods for a week and we’ll see who survives.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    True enough.
  26. Jewish people in general do not allow for serious frank discussion of group intelligence. Then they write articles trumpeting their own brilliance.

    Really tiresome.

  27. Sallah Shabbati is a nice movie, but not history.

    “When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the ’50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.”

    Grains of truth in this but mostly hogwash straight from the Ashkenazi Central Zionist Archives.

    In fact, fully 1/3 of the Yemenite Jews (ha-Temanim) had emigrated to pre-state Palestine before 1948. Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic, it was very difficult for Jews to get to the Holy Land. Look at a map. They’d have had to take a caravan overland through what’s now Saudi Arabia. This was forbidden to non-Muslims as they would have had to pass through Mecca and Medina.

    Therefore they had to take a perilous journey by boat around the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula, to Baghdad, and then overland to the Holy Land. It was very difficult but some thousands did. After the Suez Canal was opened, they could just take a boat from Aden to Jaffa, and many did.

    Their absorption in Israel was greatly aided by the presence of an already existing Yemenite community. They were indeed primitive, but they weren’t the childlike peasants you’ve made them out to be and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as “Rashil,” and his plans of developing the Holy Land.

    You won’t find this in most online accounts. I learned it from (a) reading Goitein (look him up, although you may not find much about him online), and (b) conversing with many Temanim themselves. Their personal testimony confirmed Goitein’s accounts.

    As for the “resentment” that was more of a Moroccan thing, not at all characteristic of the Temanim. For a variety of reasons, Moroccan absorption was way more rocky than any other group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_Salib_riots

    I never met a Temani who resented Israel. If anything, the ones I’ve met are super-patriots. Yigal Amir is one example. Then there’s Ben-Dror Yemini:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Dror_Yemini

    When I met him he was a lefty-peacenik, but a patriotic one.

    Don’t believe everything you read, Jack.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    I still remember a picture I saw in National Geographic decades ago. She was a member of the Yemeni Jewish community in Haifa (I think). She was a dancer, and was working hard during a rehearsal. Uninhibited, smiling, glistening, lusty, joyful. She was incredibly sexy.
    , @Not Raul
    I still remember a picture I saw in National Geographic decades ago. She was a member of the Yemeni Jewish community in Haifa (I think). She was a dancer, and was working hard during a rehearsal. Uninhibited, smiling, glistening, lusty, joyful. She was incredibly sexy.
    , @Jack D

    Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic
     
    The Suez Canal opened in 1869. I have no idea what period you are talking about?

    They were indeed primitive, but they weren’t the childlike peasants you’ve made them out to be
     
    You're just quibbling about words - calling them primitives is even more insulting than calling them peasants. They were not retarded, they were just isolated. Americans make the same mistake about hillbillies.

    and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as “Rashil,

     

    This is not exactly a ringing endorsement of their acuity. In fact it indicates the opposite - that their knowledge of the outside world was rather vague and limited.
  28. @SFG
    Well, people adapt to their environments. Stick one of each in the backwoods for a week and we'll see who survives.

    True enough.

  29. I think Pinker probably regret saying the « goyishe kopf » and it has been served to him so much. It’s also on tape. It was one of its anecdotes when it wasn’t that problematic to have group préjudices.

    Pinker serves the plate to many Jewish. He has been horrible with McDonald but you can’t expect the turkey to prepare Christmas meal. He is open minded and very positive while being extremely clever. He hasn’t produced as much as he could have. He is a Chomsky like phenomena. The world would have been something less interesting without him. At least my internet experiences wouldn’t have.

    He helps Quillette wich is HBD-light. He is kinda of a scholarly version of you !

  30. @Jack D
    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain - they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the '50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    Thanks for elaborating. Does that mean the following grouping is a reasonable way to think of most of the Jews? Would you propose any other groups?

    1. true Sephardim – as you said, descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492.
    2. other Mizrahi [Eastern] – descendants of Jews who never left the East (often included in “Sephardic”)
    3. Ashkenzai – descendants of Jews from Germany and Eastern Europe

    A quick look at Wikipedia indicates that is basically accurate. I guess I have just seen too much misuse of “Sephardic.”

    How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai? (from your comment I am guessing the latter)

    P.S. This seems relevant and muddies the waters a bit:
    https://forward.com/opinion/world/387971/many-sephardic-jews-arent-actually-sephardic/
    No mention of Mizrahi and expands Sephardic to include North Africa. This article (from a comment there) also seems relevant:
    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/uncategorized/2014/06/mizrahi-nation/

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai?”

    Actual sephardi I think fall into two groups on IQ. The ones who left Spain for elsewhere in Western Europe or America in 1470-1520 show many signs of having AJ level IQ.

    The other big group settled in North Africa, and allied with the French and Italians when they conquered the region, and migrated mostly to France and Israel after the Arabs gained independence.

    These SJs would not have had the IQ increasing selection pressure Euro-SJs did, so I’d guess have IQs in the 100-105 range. Another negative factor would have been the Spanish SJs going to North Africa mixing with the smaller and lower IQ existing pre-1500 Jewish populations there.
  31. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    I am pleased to report that proud Irish-American James Watson is still alive although in ill-health due to age and an accident!

    I believe Watson is mostly English, and like a quarter Irish. I don’t know how proud he is of his Irish ancestry. He’s made anti-Irish comments in the past:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ucc-removes-name-of-nobel-winner-dr-james-watson-from-building-over-race-comments-904745.html

    In 2003 he said the Irish curse was not alcohol, but ignorance. “I grew up with that, where the Irish were, you know, not a serious people — blarney, full of blarney,” said Professor Watson. “You can be real dumb or you can seem dumb because you don’t know anything — that’s all I’m saying. The Irish seemed dumb because they didn’t know anything.”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    In March 2011 on receiving the "Irish America Hall of Fame Award", James Watson stated that "I'm deeply proud of my Irish lineage". Evidently by 2011 he had reconsidered the 2003 "anti-Irish comments" that you had cited.
  32. @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    So many people here project their own power fantasies onto Jews it is unreal.

    One would think any adult would be more sophisticated than to broadcast their own shortcomings so obviously.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    They're not adults.
  33. @Cato
    Among the "highest" of the Sephardim are some who never left the West: Baruch Spinoza (seminal Enlightenment thinker); David Ricardo (key figure in the development of political economy as an abstract, deductive science); and Benjamin Disraeli (novelist, British Prime Minister). The former two had origins in the Sephardic community that found refuge in the Netherlands; Disraeli's ancestors (who were partially Ashkenazi) had roots in Italy.

    Sephardi (not Mizrahi) is much classier than Ashkenazi in the UK. Real snob value in it. Old money and sophistication unlike peasant Schlomo from the shtetl or whatever the name is.

  34. @Thulean Friend
    Don't defend people like him, who have campaigned against any immigration restriction in the US while in the meantime defending Israel to the hilt. His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. He won't extend any intellectual defence of the principle itself.

    Unlike Watson, who was principled until his last breath on the issue of race and genetics, even as the NYT ran increasingly hostile articles against him in his last dying breaths.

    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+.
     
    His views on immigration are more than regrettable. They are, as far as a lot of us are concerned, reprehensible and inexcusable. He has openly called for old-stock Americans to be replaced in their own country. His opinions on the matter are also, based on his group, rather predictable.
    , @SFG
    Right, plus he has 'N-word privileges' since he is himself Jewish. If he wrote it about Asians people could accuse him of being anti-Asian (according to the weird standards of 21st-century progressives).

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming--that's one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).
    , @anon
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable genocidal, but his trolling the libs is A+.

    FIFY.
    , @Desiderius
    He's not trolling the libs, he's desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.
    , @Not Raul
    How can you give #BedBugBret an A+ in trolling the Libs? That guy is a joke. An overpaid media snowflake who can’t keep from having a meltdown when subjected to some minor trolling himself gets a D- at trolling, at best.
  35. @Cato
    Among the "highest" of the Sephardim are some who never left the West: Baruch Spinoza (seminal Enlightenment thinker); David Ricardo (key figure in the development of political economy as an abstract, deductive science); and Benjamin Disraeli (novelist, British Prime Minister). The former two had origins in the Sephardic community that found refuge in the Netherlands; Disraeli's ancestors (who were partially Ashkenazi) had roots in Italy.

    Italian Sephardi and ancient Italian Jews are pretty similar but remained somewhat separate for a long time. They can be grouped together and are each others’ closest ethic relatives.

    Disraeli was Italian in his paternal line, but his grandfather married two Italian Sephardi.

  36. @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+.

    His views on immigration are more than regrettable. They are, as far as a lot of us are concerned, reprehensible and inexcusable. He has openly called for old-stock Americans to be replaced in their own country. His opinions on the matter are also, based on his group, rather predictable.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "His views on immigration are more than regrettable. They are, as far as a lot of us are concerned, reprehensible and inexcusable."

    Agreed. He's quite openly bigoted against white gentiles.
  37. @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    this is exactly my reading of their power.

    people forget that, in usa, iq tests show that people from mainline protestant religion (i.e. northern europeans) have the same iq as them. and if you check europe vs israel, europe is higher, even with the non-europeans taking tests.

    this applies also to bank loans, which obviously vary from client to client. if you’re one of them, it’s easier for their to cover your risk.

    and the larger the corporations are, the more they can afford on nepotism. without counting stuff like “diversity hearing”. and many gentile whites still believe that they will destroy themselves if they do that!

    although I do think it’s very unlikely that they’re just 2% of the usa population, worldwide the overrepresentation is even bigger, because to understand power you had to consider mostly ashkenazi that arent hasidic (they dont get involved in business, etc) and ignore the rest.

  38. @res
    Thanks for elaborating. Does that mean the following grouping is a reasonable way to think of most of the Jews? Would you propose any other groups?

    1. true Sephardim - as you said, descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492.
    2. other Mizrahi [Eastern] - descendants of Jews who never left the East (often included in "Sephardic")
    3. Ashkenzai - descendants of Jews from Germany and Eastern Europe

    A quick look at Wikipedia indicates that is basically accurate. I guess I have just seen too much misuse of "Sephardic."

    How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai? (from your comment I am guessing the latter)

    P.S. This seems relevant and muddies the waters a bit:
    https://forward.com/opinion/world/387971/many-sephardic-jews-arent-actually-sephardic/
    No mention of Mizrahi and expands Sephardic to include North Africa. This article (from a comment there) also seems relevant:
    https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/uncategorized/2014/06/mizrahi-nation/

    “ How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai?”

    Actual sephardi I think fall into two groups on IQ. The ones who left Spain for elsewhere in Western Europe or America in 1470-1520 show many signs of having AJ level IQ.

    The other big group settled in North Africa, and allied with the French and Italians when they conquered the region, and migrated mostly to France and Israel after the Arabs gained independence.

    These SJs would not have had the IQ increasing selection pressure Euro-SJs did, so I’d guess have IQs in the 100-105 range. Another negative factor would have been the Spanish SJs going to North Africa mixing with the smaller and lower IQ existing pre-1500 Jewish populations there.

    • Thanks: res
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Agree. There was another big group that ended up in Salonika, Greece (also Ottoman territory) and they were also very blue collarish, concentrated in occupations like longshoreman and they were not an elite or high IQ group.

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn't just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?
  39. Acknowledgement of heritability via genetic traits doesn’t equal “eugenics” of any sort. Just ask any farmer or ag researcher (or anyone who has studied biology) about that.

    Further, the scientific recognition of superior egg production from one specially bred variety of chicken doesn’t somehow imply that all other species of chickens are “inferior” and thus must be exterminated.

    Such shouts of “racist” or similar when discussions of Stephens sort occur are simply bullying efforts to silence opinion about such matters. and shut down speech. The New Identity Marxism seems to require hand in hand the vicious authoritarian trait of enforcing a strict Party Line about nearly all subjects. Bad ideas suffer from exposure and intellectual sunlight. Good ideas flourish.

    The neo Marxist cult of Identity Victimhood cannot withstand honest scrutiny and argumentation.

  40. @Peterike
    Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.

    It’s going to be a very interesting test. I think you might be right. Lefty Twitter is going absolutely mental – I don’t think I’ve seen a frenzy like it.

  41. Then they came after Bret Stephens.

    The circular firing squad in action.

  42. Pinker is impressive; as impressive as folks like Donald Sassoon and Paul Graham[1].

    Although he’s a dude and WWHair is a chick thing, I’ve long wished that Pinker would get a fucking haircut (so that he couldn’t be dismissed as a smarter Malcolm Gladwell).

    He writes very persuasively, with clever homorous flourishes and a deft touch – a case in point is the quote from Schachter in the New Republic piece:

    I went to Yale much against my father’s wishes. He couldn’t have cared less about higher education and wanted me to go to a one-year laundry college (no kidding) out in the Midwest and join him then in the family business. I never have understood what this intellectually driven Jewish immigrant business is all about. It wasn’t true of my family, and I know very few families for which it was true…. To me, Jewish love of learning has always seemed a myth perpetrated by a few rabbis’ sons who weren’t good at anything much but going to school and then spending the rest of their lives writing novels about it.

    [1] Paul Graham’s great because he writes about interesting shit to begin with, and he seems to deliberately phrase things so that an engaged reader will immediately think “There are obvious holes here“… when you think about the holes, they’re not holes.

    A good example of this is his “Conformist Test” (from “What You Can’t Say” – a post from 2004 that is a must-read).

    The Conformist Test

    Let’s start with a test: Do you have any opinions that you would be reluctant to express in front of a group of your peers?

    If the answer is no, you might want to stop and think about that. If everything you believe is something you’re supposed to believe, could that possibly be a coincidence? Odds are it isn’t. Odds are you just think what you’re told.

    My first thoughts when I read that were

    ① “What if it’s a group that you’ve chosen solely because it agrees with what you think?” (I dismissed that thought immediately – it describes a herd); and

    ② “What if it’s a group that is expressly and credibly committed to absolute freedom of expression?” – if it’s a group of my peers, then it would have to be committed to absolute freedom of expression. However you would still be reluctant to express heterodox opinions, because commitment to free expression does not preclude strong (even vitriolic) rejection of a given idea – as anybody who knows me, knows well.

    “I may disagree with what you say, but would defend with my life your right to say it… but not til after I’ve written five pages about how fuckwitted you have to be to believe the retarded shit you just wrote, you absolute fucking Herbert”.

  43. The NYT airbrushes out Henry Harpending.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    edited to remove a reference to a paper widely disputed as advancing a racist hypothesis.
     
    LOL. Not wrong. But effective in advancing the wrong hypothesis.
    , @Justvisiting
    That editor's note is worthy of a totally separate discussion--wild word salad--something like, we are racist except when you call us on it, then we are not racist, but that guy under the tree over there, he was really racist and should have been identified as such. ;-)
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Claire Lehmann of Quillette rolls over on Harpending:

    https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1211525943795208192?s=20
  44. So now the word “eugenics” is a 1:1 synonym for the word “racism.” Interesting.

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  45. @Cato
    Among the "highest" of the Sephardim are some who never left the West: Baruch Spinoza (seminal Enlightenment thinker); David Ricardo (key figure in the development of political economy as an abstract, deductive science); and Benjamin Disraeli (novelist, British Prime Minister). The former two had origins in the Sephardic community that found refuge in the Netherlands; Disraeli's ancestors (who were partially Ashkenazi) had roots in Italy.

    Please stop spreading the Jewish talking point about Spinoza the influential genius; he was neither.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.
    , @MBlanc46
    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.
  46. In the USA, ashkenazim get 12 more nobel prize level prizes than others and 8 times their share of white people. If the average IQ to get a Nobel prize was 1 in 2300 or 150 IQ, and 100% of the advantage would be IQ related, and the curve of Jewish had exactly the same shape than the white one except it would be centered higher (same sd in raw scores), then it would be enough for them to have an average of 109 IQ. Jewish representing 3% of whites would get a fourth of white total number of prizes.

    I believe there is two reasons why this explanation doesn’t work :

    1) average IQ of laureates are probably not that high any more despite Ann Roe (incoherent) tests results

    2) if a population of White would got rid of the stupidest half, they would converge to 110 IQ but they wouldn’t push all the curve to the right. It would be something in between. So 150 IQ wouldn’t be 1 in 1650 (like if you halved the test takers) but not 1 in 260. It would be probably something in between if you superpose the two curves …

    With all the ETS info, it’s a pitty that has never been done. They have it for blacks !

    So the IQ should explain more like 25% of the gap than 100% because of those two aspects.

  47. @Neoconned
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7834027/New-York-Times-columnist-Brett-Stephen-slammed-racist-op-ed.html

    Daily Mail is picking up on this.

    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?”

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?””

    Sure:

    “Shut up, racist.”
    , @anon
    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?”

    Anything opposed to the Narrative is [crimethink], in this context [crimethink] is labeled "white nationalism / white supremacy". Just like being a "landlord" or a "ghost" in China during the Cultural Revolution, or a "wrecker" in Russia / USSR during the Bolshevik period. It's not enough to parrot the Narrative, one has to denounce others.
    , @Daniel Williams
    “Jews are inferior” = white supremacist
    “Jews are superior” = white supremacist

    What’s so hard to understand about that?
  48. @Hypnotoad666
    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a "White nationalist?"

    “ Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?””

    Sure:

    “Shut up, racist.”

    • Replies: @Flip
    “Shut up,' he explained.”
    ― Ring Lardner
  49. @Dave Pinsen
    The NYT airbrushes out Henry Harpending.

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1211378700069023744?s=21

    edited to remove a reference to a paper widely disputed as advancing a racist hypothesis.

    LOL. Not wrong. But effective in advancing the wrong hypothesis.

  50. @Mike_from_SGV
    It's weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can't take his own side in an argument.

    It is kind of funny that all the black guys lined up behind Obama and lots of women lined up behind Hillary, but when Bernie started doing well all the Jews worried it would increase antisemitism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    It is kind of funny that all the black guys lined up behind Obama and lots of women lined up behind Hillary, but when Bernie started doing well all the Jews worried it would increase antisemitism.
     
    It may be funny, but it’s also kind of the standard operating procedure. Jews prefer to wield power through the medium of other entities. For one thing, the other entities act as a liability shield.
  51. @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    Right, plus he has ‘N-word privileges’ since he is himself Jewish. If he wrote it about Asians people could accuse him of being anti-Asian (according to the weird standards of 21st-century progressives).

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).
     
    What do you consider to be true in relation to the global warming debate?
    , @Lot
    “ Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).”

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Denial however is politically easier than the correct paleocon position: it is regrettable that the cost of fixing the problem is excessively high, so sorry Bangladesh and Maldives, better build some dikes.
  52. @Jack D
    Until the Holocaust evened up the score somewhat, 90% of the Jews in the world were Ashkenazis. Sephardi Jews (more properly Mizrahi [Eastern] Jews since Sepharad means Spain - not all Eastern Jews traced their roots to the group expelled from Spain) are kind of like Asians in that you can divide them into city Jews and country Jews, who were as different as Manhattanites and hillbillies. The sophisticated financiers of Baghdad were as different as could be from the backward Yemenite Jewish mountain tribesmen. Sephardim were both the highest and lowest of Jews.

    I considered writing “Mizrahi”, but the term has a complicated meaning history. And I think everyone understood “Sepharim” as shorthand for “non-Ashkenazi”.

    Still, I thank you for the additional background.

  53. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a "White nationalist?"

    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?”

    Anything opposed to the Narrative is [crimethink], in this context [crimethink] is labeled “white nationalism / white supremacy”. Just like being a “landlord” or a “ghost” in China during the Cultural Revolution, or a “wrecker” in Russia / USSR during the Bolshevik period. It’s not enough to parrot the Narrative, one has to denounce others.

  54. “From The Guardian’s news section (I try to distinguish between what is labeled “News” and “Opinion”):”

    An effort not expended by The Guardian itself.

  55. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nodwink
    What Pinker apparently didn't realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the "gentile heads."

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker's grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from 'X' amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.

    What Pinker apparently didn’t realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the “gentile heads.”

    I read the story differently. I interpreted the grandfather to be deprecating himself for cutting the pieces himself, rather than coming up with the idea of having his employees do it.

    With either interpretation, however, it is notable that Pinker cannot bring himself to reveal to the reader the real meaning of the term as employed in its context: “Stupid,” as in “I am stupid” or “They are stupid.” He obscures the meaning behind a technical literal definition. Evidently, Pinker himself doesn’t trust the goyim.

  56. @Mike_from_SGV
    It's weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can't take his own side in an argument.

    It’s because once people starting noticing things it’s hard to stop them noticing other things.

  57. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike_from_SGV
    It's weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can't take his own side in an argument.

    It’s weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can’t take his own side in an argument.

    What Stephens has written is hidden knowledge. It isn’t good for the Jews that it be known by the Gentiles.

    Such knowledge could cause Whites to approach marriage/intermarriage in more selective/exclusive terms and that in turn would have the effect of halting the trajectory toward extinction that they are on. Would frustrate the plan.

  58. @Nodwink
    What Pinker apparently didn't realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the "gentile heads."

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker's grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from 'X' amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.

    Ties made of odds and ends stitched together don’t seem to me to be anything to brag about.

  59. @Peterike
    Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.

    Well, after all, he’s a conservative.

  60. @Lot
    “ Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a “White nationalist?””

    Sure:

    “Shut up, racist.”

    “Shut up,’ he explained.”
    ― Ring Lardner

  61. @Mike_from_SGV
    It's weird how he can write an article praising the achievements of Jewish people, and then other Jews blast him for being a bigot, or something. William Buckley said that a liberal is someone who can't take his own side in an argument.

    That line originated with one of the Southern Agrarians, I think in the ’30s.

  62. @istevefan

    The rightwing New York Times columnist Bret Stephens
     
    Possibly the most offensive line in the post.

    The neo-cons are about as rightwing as Trotsky.

  63. @Jack D
    As I implied before, the true Sephardim were the descendants of the Spanish Jews who were expelled in 1492. They were a cultured and learned community and they remained so as the became part of the elite in the sophisticated capitals of Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc. which all had contact with the West. Jews often acted as trade intermediaries between the locals and Europeans. Some of them made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc. And yes, a few were even involved in the slave trade.

    The other group never had any contact with Spain - they were in Arab lands all along. Some of these places (e.g. Yemen) were poor, primitive and isolated places and their Jews (who had occupations like silversmithing, not international trade) were equally poor and backward (and came to genetically resemble the locals also, which in the case of Yemen includes a healthy dose of DNA from nearby Africa). When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the '50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    Some of [the Sephardim] made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc.

    Including the grandfather of Emma Lazarus. She was horrified by the wild state of the Eastern European Ashkenazi pouring into the country, but felt duty-bound to help them. Hence the famous doggerel, and the HIAC.

    She split her time between Manhattan and Newport, and had an unrequited crush on a first cousin. That sounds creepy to post-eugenics us, but not necessarily to the colonials. There was a first cousin-once-removed marriage between the early descendants of Lyon Gardiner of nearby Gardiner’s Island.

    There is a loophole in Rhode Island law to this day allowing Jews to marry their nieces. Apparently avuncular marriage was a thing with the Mediterranean Jews. Check out the NY Court of Appeals case Matter of May for a juicy example.

    https://casetext.com/case/matter-of-may-33a

    https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/1953/305-n-y-486-0.html

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Not just Mediterranean Jews, but all Jews - Jewish law, like Islamic law, permits marriage to 1st cousins.

    The Catholic Church seemed to have a particular bug up their ass with regard to cousin marriage and at one point (they had to cut back) the Church prohibited marriage up to the 7th degree of consanguinity (and had a rigorous way of counting the degrees) such that basically, if people had actually followed that rule, no one would have been able to marry anyone (perhaps this was the point - the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time). This must have been for theological and not scientific reasons since at that point no one knew sh*t about science and thought that disease came from swamp fumes.

    So the real outlier among religions is Christianity and not the others. Although in light what we now know about genetic diseases, 1st cousin marriage is probably not a good idea.

    The Ashkenazi Jews did quite well in their early days in the East but they were victims of their own success. As in the US, Jews can do quite well as a middle man minority when they are 2 or 3% of the population but in Poland they ended up being 10% of the population (more in the cities) and overgrazed their ecological niche and ended up deeply impoverished. A society only needs so many middle men.
  64. @Old Palo Altan
    I descend from a family of Portuguese origin who ended up in the Netherlands around 1600. It is generally thought that they were actually Jews, although they passed themselves off as nobles who had had to flee Catholic Iberia once they had become Protestants. They were booksellers and printers (not exactly aristocratic, that) who married into the much more famous Elsevier publishing family, a family which, much later, actually was ennobled.

    Anyway, I like the idea that I have a smidgeon of Sephardic blood - of the better kind of course.

    Have you ever had DNA testing? Ancestry.com, that kind of thing?

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    Giving away your genetic information probably is a bad idea.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    I wouldn't have thought that anything that far back could be pin-pointed with any accuracy, but I'll look into it.
    Thanks for the idea..
  65. @Lot
    “ How do you think those groups compare for things like IQ, drive, and achievement? Are Sephardim more like Mizrahi or Ashkenzai?”

    Actual sephardi I think fall into two groups on IQ. The ones who left Spain for elsewhere in Western Europe or America in 1470-1520 show many signs of having AJ level IQ.

    The other big group settled in North Africa, and allied with the French and Italians when they conquered the region, and migrated mostly to France and Israel after the Arabs gained independence.

    These SJs would not have had the IQ increasing selection pressure Euro-SJs did, so I’d guess have IQs in the 100-105 range. Another negative factor would have been the Spanish SJs going to North Africa mixing with the smaller and lower IQ existing pre-1500 Jewish populations there.

    Agree. There was another big group that ended up in Salonika, Greece (also Ottoman territory) and they were also very blue collarish, concentrated in occupations like longshoreman and they were not an elite or high IQ group.

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?
     
    That's why I've always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style, and a new Jerusalem for Jewish survivors of the Holocaust established in East Germany*. The German survivors of the Long Hike would have been the fittest of the fit, and ready to hold the territory against the future, but inevitable Chinese onslaught.

    * The subsidiary benefit of such an undertaking is we would have been spared the specter of Angela Merkel ruling a unified Germany.
    , @nebulafox
    Those Jews had probably been there since the Byzantine days.

    I remember that some of the trains from Salonika had no survivors because it took them weeks to get up to Poland. The Greek Jews that did survive the journey tended to be extremely hardy and ruthless, though, possibly as a result, and managed to hold their own disproportionately well in the camp system.

    >You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    The Germans had already tried simply shooting people without moving them during 1941, in the USSR. It quickly became impractical on a number of levels, not to mention time-consuming and demoralizing. Furthermore, Nazi ideology naturally linked Jews with partisan movements and general disorder, even without the specter of Bolshevism hanging around, so removing them to parts unknown was probably better for order in the occupied territories, as far as they were concerned. Why take chances?

    Lastly, though he probably didn't care that much about what Poles or Ukrainians saw or thought about the business, Himmler didn't want it discussed too much with the other, non-subhuman occupied peoples in Europe-let alone people in the Reich itself-about what was happening to their (far more assimilated) Jewish neighbors. Better for them to disappear and retain some plausible deniability about the official line that they were being resettled in the east. Also a good way of keeping the Jews calm and not apt to revolt then just taking them out to the forest, leaving the rest to guess their fate. Once you were doing that, along with the concerns I mentioned above, why not lump in the Ostjuden-or, in the case of the western USSR, what was left of them after 1941-into the camps as well?

  66. @Hypnotoad666
    Can anyone explain why noticing that Jews and Asians have the highest IQs makes one a "White nationalist?"

    “Jews are inferior” = white supremacist
    “Jews are superior” = white supremacist

    What’s so hard to understand about that?

    • Replies: @donvonburg

    “Jews are inferior” = white supremacist
    “Jews are superior” = white supremacist

    What’s so hard to understand about that?
     
    "Jews are the same as everyone else-that is to say, equally venal, equally self centered, equally shortsighted, and equally likely to abuse what privileges their differences give them if they do have differences"-now THAT would get you put in prison in Germany for sure!

    So, you just can't win.

    Kobayashi Maru, much?
  67. @Jack D
    Have you ever had DNA testing? Ancestry.com, that kind of thing?

    Giving away your genetic information probably is a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Giving away your genetic information probably is a bad idea.
     
    Um, that's what a birth certificate is.

    Or used to be, anyway. It's being converted into a title of ownership.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/same-sex-couples-new-path-legal-parenthood-n940081

    I swear, these days there's more regulatory oversight of car production than of reproduction.
  68. @Reg Cæsar

    Some of [the Sephardim] made their way to the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean and then the US where they (although small in #) also became prominent merchants, involved in the formation of the NY Stock Exchange, etc.
     
    Including the grandfather of Emma Lazarus. She was horrified by the wild state of the Eastern European Ashkenazi pouring into the country, but felt duty-bound to help them. Hence the famous doggerel, and the HIAC.

    She split her time between Manhattan and Newport, and had an unrequited crush on a first cousin. That sounds creepy to post-eugenics us, but not necessarily to the colonials. There was a first cousin-once-removed marriage between the early descendants of Lyon Gardiner of nearby Gardiner's Island.

    There is a loophole in Rhode Island law to this day allowing Jews to marry their nieces. Apparently avuncular marriage was a thing with the Mediterranean Jews. Check out the NY Court of Appeals case Matter of May for a juicy example.

    https://casetext.com/case/matter-of-may-33a

    https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/court-of-appeals/1953/305-n-y-486-0.html

    Not just Mediterranean Jews, but all Jews – Jewish law, like Islamic law, permits marriage to 1st cousins.

    The Catholic Church seemed to have a particular bug up their ass with regard to cousin marriage and at one point (they had to cut back) the Church prohibited marriage up to the 7th degree of consanguinity (and had a rigorous way of counting the degrees) such that basically, if people had actually followed that rule, no one would have been able to marry anyone (perhaps this was the point – the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time). This must have been for theological and not scientific reasons since at that point no one knew sh*t about science and thought that disease came from swamp fumes.

    So the real outlier among religions is Christianity and not the others. Although in light what we now know about genetic diseases, 1st cousin marriage is probably not a good idea.

    The Ashkenazi Jews did quite well in their early days in the East but they were victims of their own success. As in the US, Jews can do quite well as a middle man minority when they are 2 or 3% of the population but in Poland they ended up being 10% of the population (more in the cities) and overgrazed their ecological niche and ended up deeply impoverished. A society only needs so many middle men.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    perhaps this was the point – the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time
     
    The Church never pushed celibacy for lay persons. The knowledge that the species needs to be propagated wasn't exactly a recent discovery. They did (and do) view sex as for reproductive purposes and not for recreation (though the concept of sex for recreation among all but the upper classes is a relatively recent thing - for the simple reason that recreation of ANY sort for all but the upper classes is a recent thing).

    The celibacy was (is) in the priesthood, and that came pretty far along (12th century IIRC). Reasons for it had mainly to do with ensuring the Church retained property after a priest's death (its hard to pass property to your sons if you have no sons) and nothing to do with worry about consanguinity or any theological reasons.
  69. @Jack D
    Agree. There was another big group that ended up in Salonika, Greece (also Ottoman territory) and they were also very blue collarish, concentrated in occupations like longshoreman and they were not an elite or high IQ group.

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn't just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    That’s why I’ve always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style, and a new Jerusalem for Jewish survivors of the Holocaust established in East Germany*. The German survivors of the Long Hike would have been the fittest of the fit, and ready to hold the territory against the future, but inevitable Chinese onslaught.

    * The subsidiary benefit of such an undertaking is we would have been spared the specter of Angela Merkel ruling a unified Germany.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is pretty much what the Russians did with the Germans that they took prisoner at Stalingrad - out of 211,000, six thousand were repatriated eventually, the rest died. Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/01/the-soviet-union-captured-almost-3-million-german-pows-and-many-of-them-died-in-custody-or-were-used-as-forced-labor-2/

    After the Russians took 220,000 German prisoners in Belarus and the Baltics in 1944 in Operation Bagration, Stalin decided that he would like them to march thru Moscow in a victory parade. Unfortunately, only 57,000 made it to Moscow, the rest having died on the way, so the parade was perhaps not as impressive as Stalin might have liked - still 57,000 marching prisoners made for some pretty good photo ops. I don't know how many of those 57,000 ever made it back home to Germany - I suspect not many.

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-prisoners-parade-moscow-1944/

    , @anon
    That’s why I’ve always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style,

    Then the Soviet Army soldiers would not have had anyone to rape.
    , @but an humble craftsman
    You seriously want to take a look at the biography af the German chancellor.

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit, the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.

    Would be a nuisance if the cattle panicked and stampeded.
  70. What kind of wages was Mr. Pinker paying his goys?

  71. @Jack D
    Have you ever had DNA testing? Ancestry.com, that kind of thing?

    I wouldn’t have thought that anything that far back could be pin-pointed with any accuracy, but I’ll look into it.
    Thanks for the idea..

  72. @Glaivester
    Giving away your genetic information probably is a bad idea.

    Giving away your genetic information probably is a bad idea.

    Um, that’s what a birth certificate is.

    Or used to be, anyway. It’s being converted into a title of ownership.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/same-sex-couples-new-path-legal-parenthood-n940081

    I swear, these days there’s more regulatory oversight of car production than of reproduction.

  73. @Nodwink
    What Pinker apparently didn't realize with his story about the neckties is that the old man is simply maximizing profits, and his neckties cut from irregular pieces of cloth may well have been of a lower quality than those made by the "gentile heads."

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker's grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from 'X' amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.

    There actually is a formal Linear Programming algorithm for solving those kinds of (“cutting stock”) problems to optimize the utilization of materials.

    Note that the Linear Programming algorithm was initially formulated by Jewish Soviet mathematician Leonid Kantorovich. Kantorovich’s concept was generalized into the Simplex algorithm by Jewish American mathematician George Danzig.

    So even though Pinker’s Jewish grandfather had not come up with “a geometry-based system” his fellow Jewish Landsmänner did.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Jack D
    I'm guessing that a highly skilled (and financially incentivized) craftsman such as Pinker's grandfather could do cutting stock layouts (almost) as well as a computer program. Grandpa joked about his workers having a "goyische kop" but more likely they didn't care because they weren't paying for the silk fabric and he was.
    , @Nodwink
    That's interesting, and no surprise to me. Actually, it was kind of the point I was trying to make.

    Pinker had plenty of Jewish geniuses to pick from, but I guess that he was trying to connect himself to innate Jewish intelligence (Grandpa was smart > his genes made him that way > those genes passed onto me > "That's why I'm so clever!"). Anyone who has read Pinker knows that he has a hefty ego.
  74. @SteveM

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.
     
    There actually is a formal Linear Programming algorithm for solving those kinds of ("cutting stock") problems to optimize the utilization of materials.

    Note that the Linear Programming algorithm was initially formulated by Jewish Soviet mathematician Leonid Kantorovich. Kantorovich's concept was generalized into the Simplex algorithm by Jewish American mathematician George Danzig.

    So even though Pinker's Jewish grandfather had not come up with "a geometry-based system" his fellow Jewish Landsmänner did.

    Thanks.

  75. @Jack D
    Not just Mediterranean Jews, but all Jews - Jewish law, like Islamic law, permits marriage to 1st cousins.

    The Catholic Church seemed to have a particular bug up their ass with regard to cousin marriage and at one point (they had to cut back) the Church prohibited marriage up to the 7th degree of consanguinity (and had a rigorous way of counting the degrees) such that basically, if people had actually followed that rule, no one would have been able to marry anyone (perhaps this was the point - the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time). This must have been for theological and not scientific reasons since at that point no one knew sh*t about science and thought that disease came from swamp fumes.

    So the real outlier among religions is Christianity and not the others. Although in light what we now know about genetic diseases, 1st cousin marriage is probably not a good idea.

    The Ashkenazi Jews did quite well in their early days in the East but they were victims of their own success. As in the US, Jews can do quite well as a middle man minority when they are 2 or 3% of the population but in Poland they ended up being 10% of the population (more in the cities) and overgrazed their ecological niche and ended up deeply impoverished. A society only needs so many middle men.

    perhaps this was the point – the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time

    The Church never pushed celibacy for lay persons. The knowledge that the species needs to be propagated wasn’t exactly a recent discovery. They did (and do) view sex as for reproductive purposes and not for recreation (though the concept of sex for recreation among all but the upper classes is a relatively recent thing – for the simple reason that recreation of ANY sort for all but the upper classes is a recent thing).

    The celibacy was (is) in the priesthood, and that came pretty far along (12th century IIRC). Reasons for it had mainly to do with ensuring the Church retained property after a priest’s death (its hard to pass property to your sons if you have no sons) and nothing to do with worry about consanguinity or any theological reasons.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Eastern Rite Catholic priests could marry but not Roman Catholic. This was a genetic minus, partially offset by the tendency of those priests who couldn't manage complete celibacy mostly to stray with married women.
  76. Funny how Steve’s critical edge turns into mere reportage when it comes to Jews. Why does he even write about them?

    • Replies: @Americano
    Now that's an insightful comment!!! Interesting how Steve becomes a brainless little bitch when it comes to criticizing or analyzing Jewish power and domination.

    Steve should stick to what he does best--attacking Mexicans and other powerless groups.
  77. @SteveM

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.
     
    There actually is a formal Linear Programming algorithm for solving those kinds of ("cutting stock") problems to optimize the utilization of materials.

    Note that the Linear Programming algorithm was initially formulated by Jewish Soviet mathematician Leonid Kantorovich. Kantorovich's concept was generalized into the Simplex algorithm by Jewish American mathematician George Danzig.

    So even though Pinker's Jewish grandfather had not come up with "a geometry-based system" his fellow Jewish Landsmänner did.

    I’m guessing that a highly skilled (and financially incentivized) craftsman such as Pinker’s grandfather could do cutting stock layouts (almost) as well as a computer program. Grandpa joked about his workers having a “goyische kop” but more likely they didn’t care because they weren’t paying for the silk fabric and he was.

  78. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    I’ve seen examples of both insanely egregious and very noble behavior towards outsiders by Jews, also by other insular groups. Hindus in IT in American corporations are notorious for running out all the non-dots, then the head runs out the members of other subcastes or groups. Mormons you sometimes have to watch pretty closely too.

    My policy: trust no one, be suspicious on an equal opportunity basis.

  79. @SFG
    Right, plus he has 'N-word privileges' since he is himself Jewish. If he wrote it about Asians people could accuse him of being anti-Asian (according to the weird standards of 21st-century progressives).

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming--that's one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).

    What do you consider to be true in relation to the global warming debate?

  80. @William Badwhite

    perhaps this was the point – the Church was also pushing celibacy at the same time
     
    The Church never pushed celibacy for lay persons. The knowledge that the species needs to be propagated wasn't exactly a recent discovery. They did (and do) view sex as for reproductive purposes and not for recreation (though the concept of sex for recreation among all but the upper classes is a relatively recent thing - for the simple reason that recreation of ANY sort for all but the upper classes is a recent thing).

    The celibacy was (is) in the priesthood, and that came pretty far along (12th century IIRC). Reasons for it had mainly to do with ensuring the Church retained property after a priest's death (its hard to pass property to your sons if you have no sons) and nothing to do with worry about consanguinity or any theological reasons.

    Eastern Rite Catholic priests could marry but not Roman Catholic. This was a genetic minus, partially offset by the tendency of those priests who couldn’t manage complete celibacy mostly to stray with married women.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    Eastern Rite Catholic priests could marry but not Roman Catholic
     
    Thanks for the clarification. In my response to Jack, I was referring to Roman Catholic.
  81. @Jane Plain
    Sallah Shabbati is a nice movie, but not history.

    "When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the ’50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel."

    Grains of truth in this but mostly hogwash straight from the Ashkenazi Central Zionist Archives.

    In fact, fully 1/3 of the Yemenite Jews (ha-Temanim) had emigrated to pre-state Palestine before 1948. Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic, it was very difficult for Jews to get to the Holy Land. Look at a map. They'd have had to take a caravan overland through what's now Saudi Arabia. This was forbidden to non-Muslims as they would have had to pass through Mecca and Medina.

    Therefore they had to take a perilous journey by boat around the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula, to Baghdad, and then overland to the Holy Land. It was very difficult but some thousands did. After the Suez Canal was opened, they could just take a boat from Aden to Jaffa, and many did.

    Their absorption in Israel was greatly aided by the presence of an already existing Yemenite community. They were indeed primitive, but they weren't the childlike peasants you've made them out to be and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as "Rashil," and his plans of developing the Holy Land.

    You won't find this in most online accounts. I learned it from (a) reading Goitein (look him up, although you may not find much about him online), and (b) conversing with many Temanim themselves. Their personal testimony confirmed Goitein's accounts.

    As for the "resentment" that was more of a Moroccan thing, not at all characteristic of the Temanim. For a variety of reasons, Moroccan absorption was way more rocky than any other group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_Salib_riots

    I never met a Temani who resented Israel. If anything, the ones I've met are super-patriots. Yigal Amir is one example. Then there's Ben-Dror Yemini:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Dror_Yemini

    When I met him he was a lefty-peacenik, but a patriotic one.

    Don't believe everything you read, Jack.

    I still remember a picture I saw in National Geographic decades ago. She was a member of the Yemeni Jewish community in Haifa (I think). She was a dancer, and was working hard during a rehearsal. Uninhibited, smiling, glistening, lusty, joyful. She was incredibly sexy.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    They can be very good-looking. Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.
  82. @Jane Plain
    Sallah Shabbati is a nice movie, but not history.

    "When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the ’50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel."

    Grains of truth in this but mostly hogwash straight from the Ashkenazi Central Zionist Archives.

    In fact, fully 1/3 of the Yemenite Jews (ha-Temanim) had emigrated to pre-state Palestine before 1948. Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic, it was very difficult for Jews to get to the Holy Land. Look at a map. They'd have had to take a caravan overland through what's now Saudi Arabia. This was forbidden to non-Muslims as they would have had to pass through Mecca and Medina.

    Therefore they had to take a perilous journey by boat around the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula, to Baghdad, and then overland to the Holy Land. It was very difficult but some thousands did. After the Suez Canal was opened, they could just take a boat from Aden to Jaffa, and many did.

    Their absorption in Israel was greatly aided by the presence of an already existing Yemenite community. They were indeed primitive, but they weren't the childlike peasants you've made them out to be and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as "Rashil," and his plans of developing the Holy Land.

    You won't find this in most online accounts. I learned it from (a) reading Goitein (look him up, although you may not find much about him online), and (b) conversing with many Temanim themselves. Their personal testimony confirmed Goitein's accounts.

    As for the "resentment" that was more of a Moroccan thing, not at all characteristic of the Temanim. For a variety of reasons, Moroccan absorption was way more rocky than any other group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_Salib_riots

    I never met a Temani who resented Israel. If anything, the ones I've met are super-patriots. Yigal Amir is one example. Then there's Ben-Dror Yemini:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Dror_Yemini

    When I met him he was a lefty-peacenik, but a patriotic one.

    Don't believe everything you read, Jack.

    I still remember a picture I saw in National Geographic decades ago. She was a member of the Yemeni Jewish community in Haifa (I think). She was a dancer, and was working hard during a rehearsal. Uninhibited, smiling, glistening, lusty, joyful. She was incredibly sexy.

  83. @SFG
    Right, plus he has 'N-word privileges' since he is himself Jewish. If he wrote it about Asians people could accuse him of being anti-Asian (according to the weird standards of 21st-century progressives).

    Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming--that's one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).

    “ Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).”

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Denial however is politically easier than the correct paleocon position: it is regrettable that the cost of fixing the problem is excessively high, so sorry Bangladesh and Maldives, better build some dikes.

    • Replies: @anon
    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Been going on for the last 11,000 years or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
    , @Anonymous

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.
     
    Cite?
  84. @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable genocidal, but his trolling the libs is A+.

    FIFY.

  85. @Lot
    “ Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).”

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Denial however is politically easier than the correct paleocon position: it is regrettable that the cost of fixing the problem is excessively high, so sorry Bangladesh and Maldives, better build some dikes.

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Been going on for the last 11,000 years or so.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

  86. @Dave Pinsen
    The NYT airbrushes out Henry Harpending.

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1211378700069023744?s=21

    That editor’s note is worthy of a totally separate discussion–wild word salad–something like, we are racist except when you call us on it, then we are not racist, but that guy under the tree over there, he was really racist and should have been identified as such. 😉

  87. @Jane Plain
    Sallah Shabbati is a nice movie, but not history.

    "When the Israelis flew these Jewish tribesmen into Israel in the ’50s, many of them had never seen let alone ridden on an airplane, nor were they familiar with plumbing, electricity, etc. The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel."

    Grains of truth in this but mostly hogwash straight from the Ashkenazi Central Zionist Archives.

    In fact, fully 1/3 of the Yemenite Jews (ha-Temanim) had emigrated to pre-state Palestine before 1948. Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic, it was very difficult for Jews to get to the Holy Land. Look at a map. They'd have had to take a caravan overland through what's now Saudi Arabia. This was forbidden to non-Muslims as they would have had to pass through Mecca and Medina.

    Therefore they had to take a perilous journey by boat around the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula, to Baghdad, and then overland to the Holy Land. It was very difficult but some thousands did. After the Suez Canal was opened, they could just take a boat from Aden to Jaffa, and many did.

    Their absorption in Israel was greatly aided by the presence of an already existing Yemenite community. They were indeed primitive, but they weren't the childlike peasants you've made them out to be and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as "Rashil," and his plans of developing the Holy Land.

    You won't find this in most online accounts. I learned it from (a) reading Goitein (look him up, although you may not find much about him online), and (b) conversing with many Temanim themselves. Their personal testimony confirmed Goitein's accounts.

    As for the "resentment" that was more of a Moroccan thing, not at all characteristic of the Temanim. For a variety of reasons, Moroccan absorption was way more rocky than any other group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadi_Salib_riots

    I never met a Temani who resented Israel. If anything, the ones I've met are super-patriots. Yigal Amir is one example. Then there's Ben-Dror Yemini:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Dror_Yemini

    When I met him he was a lefty-peacenik, but a patriotic one.

    Don't believe everything you read, Jack.

    Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic

    The Suez Canal opened in 1869. I have no idea what period you are talking about?

    They were indeed primitive, but they weren’t the childlike peasants you’ve made them out to be

    You’re just quibbling about words – calling them primitives is even more insulting than calling them peasants. They were not retarded, they were just isolated. Americans make the same mistake about hillbillies.

    and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as “Rashil,

    This is not exactly a ringing endorsement of their acuity. In fact it indicates the opposite – that their knowledge of the outside world was rather vague and limited.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    "The Suez Canal opened in 1869. I have no idea what period you are talking about?"

    The period before the Suez Canal. I thought that was obvious.

    In Goitein's book FROM THE LAND OF SHEBA he describes several emigrations of Temanim to the Holy Land, which is more than I can say of most European Jews.

    The rest of what you say is not worth a response. You don't know what you're talking about, I do, and I'll leave it at that.

    Here are the facts: before 1948, the Jews of Yemen managed, without help from the outside world, to move about 1/3 of their numbers to the Holy Land. They were expert Talmud khakhamim, could read the holy books upside down, and after a bit of a shock, were accepted as complete equals by the sages in Jerusalem. (Not so with the Ethiopians.)

    Another thing. Save the cracks about socialism, although I realize you do it in a fruitless attempt to get the guys here to accept you. Israel was constantly at war in the first years of its existence so shared sacrifice was necessary. That's all in the rear-view mirror now.
  88. @Lot
    “ Ironically, I actually disagree with him on global warming–that’s one of the issues the left is right about (IMHO).”

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Denial however is politically easier than the correct paleocon position: it is regrettable that the cost of fixing the problem is excessively high, so sorry Bangladesh and Maldives, better build some dikes.

    Just between us friends, sure there’s global warming.

    Cite?

  89. Anonymous[756] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    The question of Jewish IQ should expand to include all other groups/casts/tribes that have been limited to or have limited themselves to trading occupations for centuries. A perfect example is bania/vaish caste of India who have been doing trading/selling type occupations per the Hindu caste system for close to 2500 years now. Ever come across a surname like Gupta from India, that's who they are. So when I look at anecdotal evidence of who excels in standardized tests in India, it's these type of people who are vastely over represented. I will try to share some actual statistics in the coming days.

    The HBD folks should do everything to expand this question of IQ excellence to groups beyond Jews, or else the ghosts of 1940's will drown out any conversation. And if this thing does get any traction, guess what remedy could be proposed.... a reverse quota on any group that has historical IQ advantage.

    The HBD folks should do everything to expand this question of IQ excellence to groups beyond Jews, or else the ghosts of 1940’s will drown out any conversation. And if this thing does get any traction, guess what remedy could be proposed…. a reverse quota on any group that has historical IQ advantage.

    Wouldn’t such quotas be to the benefit of Whites vis-a-vis Jews, Chinese, and certain subcontinental castes?

    • Replies: @indocon
    Yes of coarse, but so would countless other tribes and groups also benefit. To sell something like this, it will be important to make it a choice between something like a Thai buddhist and an Indian brahmin. Just think of how crazy the white liberal media establishment would go if that kind of a narrative be brought out.
  90. @Johann Ricke

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?
     
    That's why I've always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style, and a new Jerusalem for Jewish survivors of the Holocaust established in East Germany*. The German survivors of the Long Hike would have been the fittest of the fit, and ready to hold the territory against the future, but inevitable Chinese onslaught.

    * The subsidiary benefit of such an undertaking is we would have been spared the specter of Angela Merkel ruling a unified Germany.

    This is pretty much what the Russians did with the Germans that they took prisoner at Stalingrad – out of 211,000, six thousand were repatriated eventually, the rest died. Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/01/the-soviet-union-captured-almost-3-million-german-pows-and-many-of-them-died-in-custody-or-were-used-as-forced-labor-2/

    After the Russians took 220,000 German prisoners in Belarus and the Baltics in 1944 in Operation Bagration, Stalin decided that he would like them to march thru Moscow in a victory parade. Unfortunately, only 57,000 made it to Moscow, the rest having died on the way, so the parade was perhaps not as impressive as Stalin might have liked – still 57,000 marching prisoners made for some pretty good photo ops. I don’t know how many of those 57,000 ever made it back home to Germany – I suspect not many.

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-prisoners-parade-moscow-1944/

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    Moscow 1941 military parade where paraders will go directly to the front.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkIJ9DuCE4
    , @Anonymous

    Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.
     
    Lies.
  91. @Johann Ricke

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?
     
    That's why I've always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style, and a new Jerusalem for Jewish survivors of the Holocaust established in East Germany*. The German survivors of the Long Hike would have been the fittest of the fit, and ready to hold the territory against the future, but inevitable Chinese onslaught.

    * The subsidiary benefit of such an undertaking is we would have been spared the specter of Angela Merkel ruling a unified Germany.

    That’s why I’ve always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style,

    Then the Soviet Army soldiers would not have had anyone to rape.

  92. @Jack D
    This is pretty much what the Russians did with the Germans that they took prisoner at Stalingrad - out of 211,000, six thousand were repatriated eventually, the rest died. Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/01/the-soviet-union-captured-almost-3-million-german-pows-and-many-of-them-died-in-custody-or-were-used-as-forced-labor-2/

    After the Russians took 220,000 German prisoners in Belarus and the Baltics in 1944 in Operation Bagration, Stalin decided that he would like them to march thru Moscow in a victory parade. Unfortunately, only 57,000 made it to Moscow, the rest having died on the way, so the parade was perhaps not as impressive as Stalin might have liked - still 57,000 marching prisoners made for some pretty good photo ops. I don't know how many of those 57,000 ever made it back home to Germany - I suspect not many.

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-prisoners-parade-moscow-1944/

    Moscow 1941 military parade where paraders will go directly to the front.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    At that point, the front was "conveniently" located just outside the gates of Moscow so the Russian troops didn't have far to march (and presumably many of them were provided with transport anyway).

    OTOH, the German prisoners taken in Belarus and Lithuania had to march (on foot) around 1,000 km, which may account for how few actually made it.
  93. @Johann Ricke

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?
     
    That's why I've always felt that the Germans in the Soviet zone should all have been made to walk to Siberia, Trail of Tears-style, and a new Jerusalem for Jewish survivors of the Holocaust established in East Germany*. The German survivors of the Long Hike would have been the fittest of the fit, and ready to hold the territory against the future, but inevitable Chinese onslaught.

    * The subsidiary benefit of such an undertaking is we would have been spared the specter of Angela Merkel ruling a unified Germany.

    You seriously want to take a look at the biography af the German chancellor.

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit, the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.

    Would be a nuisance if the cattle panicked and stampeded.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit
     
    It's not fantastical, and the revenge would have been on behalf of the 20m-odd citizens of the Soviet-era Russian empire who died as a result of the German incursion. Stalin exiled the Chechens for much less:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush

    Tsar Alexander II did something similar to the Circassians - again over relatively trivial Russian losses:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide

    It has to be said, however, that Stalin may have feared the strength of the German-American lobby, which almost prevented the US from entering WWII, thanks to residual German-American sympathies for the old country, as well as the lingering influence of pro-German figures like Lindbergh and Mencken. Then there was Patton, who urged a final reckoning with the Russians.
    , @Jack D

    the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.
     
    No they don't. At this point German assistance to Israel, like the nice German submarines that give Israel 2nd strike nuclear capability, while much appreciated, is not really needed.
  94. @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    He’s not trolling the libs, he’s desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    He’s not trolling the libs, he’s desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.
     
    Who are his true enemies?
  95. @Desiderius
    He's not trolling the libs, he's desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.

    He’s not trolling the libs, he’s desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.

    Who are his true enemies?

    • Replies: @Ash Williams

    Who are his true enemies?
     
    White Christians/Europeans/Heritage Americans.

    Or so it would appear, based on his advocating regarding replacing those populations with foreigners.

  96. @Jack D
    This is pretty much what the Russians did with the Germans that they took prisoner at Stalingrad - out of 211,000, six thousand were repatriated eventually, the rest died. Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/01/the-soviet-union-captured-almost-3-million-german-pows-and-many-of-them-died-in-custody-or-were-used-as-forced-labor-2/

    After the Russians took 220,000 German prisoners in Belarus and the Baltics in 1944 in Operation Bagration, Stalin decided that he would like them to march thru Moscow in a victory parade. Unfortunately, only 57,000 made it to Moscow, the rest having died on the way, so the parade was perhaps not as impressive as Stalin might have liked - still 57,000 marching prisoners made for some pretty good photo ops. I don't know how many of those 57,000 ever made it back home to Germany - I suspect not many.

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-prisoners-parade-moscow-1944/

    Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.

    Lies.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    During World War II, Nazi Germany engaged in a policy of deliberate maltreatment of Soviet prisoners of war (POWs), in contrast to their treatment of British and American POWs. This resulted in some 3.3 to 3.5 million deaths.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war

    You're entitled to you own opinions but not to your own facts. That the Germans caused the death of millions of Soviet POWs is not subject to dispute by any serious historian.
  97. @Dave Pinsen
    The NYT airbrushes out Henry Harpending.

    https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1211378700069023744?s=21

    Claire Lehmann of Quillette rolls over on Harpending:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Thanks. Which of the racist statements that Harpending made (cited by Lingford) are true and which are false?
  98. @Anonymous

    The HBD folks should do everything to expand this question of IQ excellence to groups beyond Jews, or else the ghosts of 1940’s will drown out any conversation. And if this thing does get any traction, guess what remedy could be proposed…. a reverse quota on any group that has historical IQ advantage.
     
    Wouldn’t such quotas be to the benefit of Whites vis-a-vis Jews, Chinese, and certain subcontinental castes?

    Yes of coarse, but so would countless other tribes and groups also benefit. To sell something like this, it will be important to make it a choice between something like a Thai buddhist and an Indian brahmin. Just think of how crazy the white liberal media establishment would go if that kind of a narrative be brought out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    To sell something like this, it will be important to make it a choice between something like a Thai buddhist and an Indian brahmin. Just think of how crazy the white liberal media establishment would go if that kind of a narrative be brought out.
     
    I don’t know whether I am understanding you. Would the liberal media embrace such a narrative or would they shun it?
  99. @kaganovitch
    The Ashkenazi elite of Israel treated these new immigrants with a great deal of condescension, perhaps made worse by the fact that the new Israel was short on resources and afflicted with socialist ideology (Communists treat everyone except the nomenklatura equally like shit), which the Yemenites resent to this day and has contributed to the downfall of the Labor Party in Israel.

    There was also a, perhaps unavoidable, culture clash between a modern bureaucratic State and recent pre-modern Yemeni immigrants. If you understand Hebrew, Sallah Shabbati - a 1964 minor masterpiece Israeli film - conveys something of the flavor of the period.

    I saw Sallah Shabbati when I was in college in the late 1970s. What I remember about it is the sardonic portrayal of the kibbutz system, which I at the time associated with hippie communes and other social experiments of the period. It was one of a series of foreign films that students in a sociology class could view and then write essays about. I wasn’t in the class, but was dating a girl who was so I watched the film with her.

    Bizarre fun fact … the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Bizarre fun fact … the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    That is interesting. Israel didn't have much of a film industry at the time so they had to import technical talent. Even today, with a fully developed film industry, cinematography is not a strong suit of Israeli cinema.

    , @Jack D
    My first reaction is "what's Tevye doing playing this part?" My second reaction was "what's Topol doing playing this part?" - here is a movie about the maltreatment of Mizharim and they can't find a Mizrahi actor to play the lead? This is like getting Charlize Theron in blackface to play Harriet Tubman.
  100. @Dave Pinsen
    Claire Lehmann of Quillette rolls over on Harpending:

    https://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1211525943795208192?s=20

    Thanks. Which of the racist statements that Harpending made (cited by Lingford) are true and which are false?

  101. I wonder if eugenics is an inescapable conclusion if you believe Cochran about the Ashkenazim not just having high IQ, but lower “genetic load”—less deleterious mutations than other groups. How did they get rid of their mutants so effectively? To pick an example, was the so-called “blood libel” not actually about Jews doing unspeakable things to others?

  102. @SteveM

    I would have been much more impressed if Pinker’s grandfather had come up with a geometry-based system to maximize the number of neckties that could be created from ‘X’ amount of fabric, rather than spend his weekends on the factory floor with his fabric saw.
     
    There actually is a formal Linear Programming algorithm for solving those kinds of ("cutting stock") problems to optimize the utilization of materials.

    Note that the Linear Programming algorithm was initially formulated by Jewish Soviet mathematician Leonid Kantorovich. Kantorovich's concept was generalized into the Simplex algorithm by Jewish American mathematician George Danzig.

    So even though Pinker's Jewish grandfather had not come up with "a geometry-based system" his fellow Jewish Landsmänner did.

    That’s interesting, and no surprise to me. Actually, it was kind of the point I was trying to make.

    Pinker had plenty of Jewish geniuses to pick from, but I guess that he was trying to connect himself to innate Jewish intelligence (Grandpa was smart > his genes made him that way > those genes passed onto me > “That’s why I’m so clever!”). Anyone who has read Pinker knows that he has a hefty ego.

    • Replies: @SteveM

    Anyone who has read Pinker knows that he has a hefty ego.
     
    Pinker reminds of the Picasso who would scribble a figure on a napkin to pay his restaurant bills.

    Pinker's free lunch domain is in issuing mind dumps as authortative with little or no evidence to back up his claims. I.e., it's good to be him.

    Parenthetically, Elites in the U.S. use academic pedigrees as proxies for genuine wisdom and insight. Under that rubric, Harvard graduates have parachuted into Wall Street and Washington for decades where they proceeded to wreck businesses and entire economies, formulate social policies with pathological unintended consequences and initiate and prosecute ruinous Wars to Nowhere that have cost the taxpayers Trillions.

    And the thing about the Elites is that they always walk away rich from their wreckage.

    It's good to be them too.
  103. @but an humble craftsman
    You seriously want to take a look at the biography af the German chancellor.

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit, the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.

    Would be a nuisance if the cattle panicked and stampeded.

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit

    It’s not fantastical, and the revenge would have been on behalf of the 20m-odd citizens of the Soviet-era Russian empire who died as a result of the German incursion. Stalin exiled the Chechens for much less:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush

    Tsar Alexander II did something similar to the Circassians – again over relatively trivial Russian losses:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide

    It has to be said, however, that Stalin may have feared the strength of the German-American lobby, which almost prevented the US from entering WWII, thanks to residual German-American sympathies for the old country, as well as the lingering influence of pro-German figures like Lindbergh and Mencken. Then there was Patton, who urged a final reckoning with the Russians.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    While the Russians didn't take your suggestion for E. Germany, this is pretty much what they did in E. Prussia (present day Kaliningrad) except that instead of marching the German population to the Chinese border they "merely" expelled the entire population and replaced them with Russians. Of course many of the expelled died on the way.

    I think a consideration (for both sides) in occupied Germany was Cold War competition. Very soon after the war ended both sides wanted "their" Germany to look better than the other side's Germany in order to illustrate the superiority of their system. Both sides also wanted to enlist the local population in fighting for their side in the coming Cold War. As a result, any wartime plans for punitive measures on both sides (e.g. the Morgenthau Plan) were quickly dropped. For that we should be eternally grateful, in that the punitive measures of Versailles largely led to WWII, so similar measures after WWII might have led to WWIII.

    In that regard, the US also signed up many ex-Nazis, who after all had lots of experience in fighting Bolsheviks and went easy on war crimes prosecutions. I don't feel eternally grateful for that.
  104. @Anonymous

    He’s not trolling the libs, he’s desperately trying to save them so he can use them against his true enemies.
     
    Who are his true enemies?

    Who are his true enemies?

    White Christians/Europeans/Heritage Americans.

    Or so it would appear, based on his advocating regarding replacing those populations with foreigners.

  105. @CJ
    I saw Sallah Shabbati when I was in college in the late 1970s. What I remember about it is the sardonic portrayal of the kibbutz system, which I at the time associated with hippie communes and other social experiments of the period. It was one of a series of foreign films that students in a sociology class could view and then write essays about. I wasn’t in the class, but was dating a girl who was so I watched the film with her.

    Bizarre fun fact ... the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    Bizarre fun fact … the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    That is interesting. Israel didn’t have much of a film industry at the time so they had to import technical talent. Even today, with a fully developed film industry, cinematography is not a strong suit of Israeli cinema.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Despite the motherlode of Jewish producers, writers, composers and directors in American film and TV, cinematographer for whatever reason has not been one of our big areas of "genius." E.g. my fave Conrad Hall was French-Polynesian. Greg Toland of Citizen Kane fame was your garden-variety white guy from downstate Illinois.
  106. @Nodwink
    That's interesting, and no surprise to me. Actually, it was kind of the point I was trying to make.

    Pinker had plenty of Jewish geniuses to pick from, but I guess that he was trying to connect himself to innate Jewish intelligence (Grandpa was smart > his genes made him that way > those genes passed onto me > "That's why I'm so clever!"). Anyone who has read Pinker knows that he has a hefty ego.

    Anyone who has read Pinker knows that he has a hefty ego.

    Pinker reminds of the Picasso who would scribble a figure on a napkin to pay his restaurant bills.

    Pinker’s free lunch domain is in issuing mind dumps as authortative with little or no evidence to back up his claims. I.e., it’s good to be him.

    Parenthetically, Elites in the U.S. use academic pedigrees as proxies for genuine wisdom and insight. Under that rubric, Harvard graduates have parachuted into Wall Street and Washington for decades where they proceeded to wreck businesses and entire economies, formulate social policies with pathological unintended consequences and initiate and prosecute ruinous Wars to Nowhere that have cost the taxpayers Trillions.

    And the thing about the Elites is that they always walk away rich from their wreckage.

    It’s good to be them too.

    • Agree: Nodwink
  107. @CJ
    I saw Sallah Shabbati when I was in college in the late 1970s. What I remember about it is the sardonic portrayal of the kibbutz system, which I at the time associated with hippie communes and other social experiments of the period. It was one of a series of foreign films that students in a sociology class could view and then write essays about. I wasn’t in the class, but was dating a girl who was so I watched the film with her.

    Bizarre fun fact ... the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    My first reaction is “what’s Tevye doing playing this part?” My second reaction was “what’s Topol doing playing this part?” – here is a movie about the maltreatment of Mizharim and they can’t find a Mizrahi actor to play the lead? This is like getting Charlize Theron in blackface to play Harriet Tubman.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    My second reaction was “what’s Topol doing playing this part?” – here is a movie about the maltreatment of Mizharim and they can’t find a Mizrahi actor to play the lead?

    It was 1964. Yul Brynner was playing the King of Siam. The past is a foreign country.
  108. @but an humble craftsman
    You seriously want to take a look at the biography af the German chancellor.

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit, the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.

    Would be a nuisance if the cattle panicked and stampeded.

    the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.

    No they don’t. At this point German assistance to Israel, like the nice German submarines that give Israel 2nd strike nuclear capability, while much appreciated, is not really needed.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Germany doesn't need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel's nuclear weapons are already "in place" around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.
  109. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    It is kind of funny that all the black guys lined up behind Obama and lots of women lined up behind Hillary, but when Bernie started doing well all the Jews worried it would increase antisemitism.

    It is kind of funny that all the black guys lined up behind Obama and lots of women lined up behind Hillary, but when Bernie started doing well all the Jews worried it would increase antisemitism.

    It may be funny, but it’s also kind of the standard operating procedure. Jews prefer to wield power through the medium of other entities. For one thing, the other entities act as a liability shield.

  110. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    Yes of coarse, but so would countless other tribes and groups also benefit. To sell something like this, it will be important to make it a choice between something like a Thai buddhist and an Indian brahmin. Just think of how crazy the white liberal media establishment would go if that kind of a narrative be brought out.

    To sell something like this, it will be important to make it a choice between something like a Thai buddhist and an Indian brahmin. Just think of how crazy the white liberal media establishment would go if that kind of a narrative be brought out.

    I don’t know whether I am understanding you. Would the liberal media embrace such a narrative or would they shun it?

  111. @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    This is absurd. Favoritism based on familial & other sorts of relationship is central to virtually all pre-Christian & pre-theoretical morality.

    You are mistaking universalism/impartialism for morality.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    I respectfully disagree. The jewish talmud specifically elevates jews to a "higher plane" while us mere "goy" are considered to be no better than livestock to be used for the advantage of the jew. No other belief system in the world states the same.
    Regards,
  112. @Anonymous
    Eastern Rite Catholic priests could marry but not Roman Catholic. This was a genetic minus, partially offset by the tendency of those priests who couldn't manage complete celibacy mostly to stray with married women.

    Eastern Rite Catholic priests could marry but not Roman Catholic

    Thanks for the clarification. In my response to Jack, I was referring to Roman Catholic.

  113. @vinteuil
    This is absurd. Favoritism based on familial & other sorts of relationship is central to virtually all pre-Christian & pre-theoretical morality.

    You are mistaking universalism/impartialism for morality.

    I respectfully disagree. The jewish talmud specifically elevates jews to a “higher plane” while us mere “goy” are considered to be no better than livestock to be used for the advantage of the jew. No other belief system in the world states the same.
    Regards,

  114. @Jack D

    the country without people for a people without country still needs German money and technology.
     
    No they don't. At this point German assistance to Israel, like the nice German submarines that give Israel 2nd strike nuclear capability, while much appreciated, is not really needed.

    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's funny you should say - my Israeli friend asked me to keep a box for him in my attic a long time ago. It glows in the dark and I feel a sort of warm sensation when I get near to it, but he's a good friend so I didn't ask any questions.


    This is really stupid. The last thing you would want to do is pre-position nukes where they could be discovered and your enemies (or friends for that matter) could potentially gain access to them, learn your nuclear secrets and turn the weapons against you, create a diplomatic crisis, etc.

    If you were really going to do something like a suitcase nuke rather than delivering it via air or missile, you would only bring it in at the very last minute.
    , @anon
    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    LOL!
    This is retarded. It's full-on retard, and it's retarded in multiple dimensions. So it's full multi-dimensional retardation.

    Never go full multi-dim retard.

  115. @kaganovitch
    Bizarre fun fact … the film’s cinematographer was Floyd Crosby, father of 1960s rock musician David Crosby.

    That is interesting. Israel didn't have much of a film industry at the time so they had to import technical talent. Even today, with a fully developed film industry, cinematography is not a strong suit of Israeli cinema.

    Despite the motherlode of Jewish producers, writers, composers and directors in American film and TV, cinematographer for whatever reason has not been one of our big areas of “genius.” E.g. my fave Conrad Hall was French-Polynesian. Greg Toland of Citizen Kane fame was your garden-variety white guy from downstate Illinois.

  116. @Joe Stalin
    Moscow 1941 military parade where paraders will go directly to the front.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkIJ9DuCE4

    At that point, the front was “conveniently” located just outside the gates of Moscow so the Russian troops didn’t have far to march (and presumably many of them were provided with transport anyway).

    OTOH, the German prisoners taken in Belarus and Lithuania had to march (on foot) around 1,000 km, which may account for how few actually made it.

  117. @Mr. Anon

    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+.
     
    His views on immigration are more than regrettable. They are, as far as a lot of us are concerned, reprehensible and inexcusable. He has openly called for old-stock Americans to be replaced in their own country. His opinions on the matter are also, based on his group, rather predictable.

    “His views on immigration are more than regrettable. They are, as far as a lot of us are concerned, reprehensible and inexcusable.”

    Agreed. He’s quite openly bigoted against white gentiles.

  118. A strong case can be made that Jews succeed not because of their higher intelligence but because of a combination of insatiable greed for money and power, ruthlessness, dishonesty, shamelessness (collectively known as chutzpah) and clannishness.

    Clannishness: Jews in the media actively promote and quote Jews in academia. The term “expert” is just an endearing term Jews in the media bestow on Jews in academia and various Jew run “think tanks” in the beltway, esp. on foreign policy and immigration. Jews in business actively hire and promote their own, provide one another with capital and insider info — around the world. As Henry Ford said, finance is not national but international. Jews in private equity and venture capital actively support Jew run startups.

    Chutzpah: Dishonest people always make the honest look stupid by comparison. The Jews’ shameless dishonesty in all spheres – business, politics, Hollywood, the law profession, academia, media is what makes them appear smarter. Not their genius. There are many reports that Einstein plagiarized and ripped off another scientist’s ideas about the atom bomb. Jews did not start the industrial revolution, they did not invent electricity, planes, trains, automobiles, radio, TV, the sewing machine, telephone, air conditioning, printing, compass, computers, microwave…their only “genius” is in making a bundle off what others invented, through “chutzpah” and clannishness.

    Jews are shameless in their dishonesty because they convinced themselves that everything they do is justified – by the 2,000 year oppression, the pogroms, the Holocaust. Being dishonest, they have neither the courage nor the honesty for any introspection and look at their own roles in why they are so reviled throughout history. Everything is always someone else’s fault. Nothing is ever their own damn fault.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Sure, clannishness and chutzpah explain Einstein, von Neumann, Feynman, etc. completely, not to mention the other 50 Jews who have won the Nobel Prize for Physics, and not to mention the hundreds that have won Nobels in other fields, and not to mention the Fields Medalists, the chess champions, etc. It's all clannishness and chutzpah.
    , @Jane Plain
    "A strong case can be made that Jews succeed not because of their higher intelligence but because of a combination of insatiable greed for money and power, ruthlessness, dishonesty, shamelessness (collectively known as chutzpah) and clannishness."

    Lord knows that's true of me.
  119. @Peterike
    Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.

    Stephens will get fired. The NY Times will have no stomach to hold off against the kind of SJW outrage it has done so much to create and stoke.

    He’s a Jew, so he’s also a born “victim”. NYT can’t fire him or they’d be anti-Semites. Besides, the paper has been owned by a Jewish family since the late 1800’s. They ain’t gonna fire their own for tooting their own horns. It’s what they do best.

  120. It’s time for the NYT brass to issue a statement expressing “110 percent support” for Stephens, much like beleaguered coaches and managers get two weeks before the ax falls.

  121. @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.

    Yep. And this is why Indians are the new Jews. They behave just like their Jewish masters and are increasingly taking over tech, law, medicine, media, academia, DNC…all the spheres the Jews excel in.

    Here’s the real secret to the Jews’ success:

    Clannishness + Shameless Dishonesty = Jewish Success.

  122. @anarchyst
    Jews are the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.

    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    Jim Stone explains it simply and correctly in his blog: “The Jews did not take everything over by being the best, they did it via subversion and taking control.”

  123. @Johann Ricke

    You also might want to tone down your revenge phantasies a bit
     
    It's not fantastical, and the revenge would have been on behalf of the 20m-odd citizens of the Soviet-era Russian empire who died as a result of the German incursion. Stalin exiled the Chechens for much less:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush

    Tsar Alexander II did something similar to the Circassians - again over relatively trivial Russian losses:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide

    It has to be said, however, that Stalin may have feared the strength of the German-American lobby, which almost prevented the US from entering WWII, thanks to residual German-American sympathies for the old country, as well as the lingering influence of pro-German figures like Lindbergh and Mencken. Then there was Patton, who urged a final reckoning with the Russians.

    While the Russians didn’t take your suggestion for E. Germany, this is pretty much what they did in E. Prussia (present day Kaliningrad) except that instead of marching the German population to the Chinese border they “merely” expelled the entire population and replaced them with Russians. Of course many of the expelled died on the way.

    I think a consideration (for both sides) in occupied Germany was Cold War competition. Very soon after the war ended both sides wanted “their” Germany to look better than the other side’s Germany in order to illustrate the superiority of their system. Both sides also wanted to enlist the local population in fighting for their side in the coming Cold War. As a result, any wartime plans for punitive measures on both sides (e.g. the Morgenthau Plan) were quickly dropped. For that we should be eternally grateful, in that the punitive measures of Versailles largely led to WWII, so similar measures after WWII might have led to WWIII.

    In that regard, the US also signed up many ex-Nazis, who after all had lots of experience in fighting Bolsheviks and went easy on war crimes prosecutions. I don’t feel eternally grateful for that.

  124. @JUSA
    A strong case can be made that Jews succeed not because of their higher intelligence but because of a combination of insatiable greed for money and power, ruthlessness, dishonesty, shamelessness (collectively known as chutzpah) and clannishness.

    Clannishness: Jews in the media actively promote and quote Jews in academia. The term "expert" is just an endearing term Jews in the media bestow on Jews in academia and various Jew run "think tanks" in the beltway, esp. on foreign policy and immigration. Jews in business actively hire and promote their own, provide one another with capital and insider info -- around the world. As Henry Ford said, finance is not national but international. Jews in private equity and venture capital actively support Jew run startups.

    Chutzpah: Dishonest people always make the honest look stupid by comparison. The Jews' shameless dishonesty in all spheres - business, politics, Hollywood, the law profession, academia, media is what makes them appear smarter. Not their genius. There are many reports that Einstein plagiarized and ripped off another scientist's ideas about the atom bomb. Jews did not start the industrial revolution, they did not invent electricity, planes, trains, automobiles, radio, TV, the sewing machine, telephone, air conditioning, printing, compass, computers, microwave...their only "genius" is in making a bundle off what others invented, through "chutzpah" and clannishness.

    Jews are shameless in their dishonesty because they convinced themselves that everything they do is justified - by the 2,000 year oppression, the pogroms, the Holocaust. Being dishonest, they have neither the courage nor the honesty for any introspection and look at their own roles in why they are so reviled throughout history. Everything is always someone else's fault. Nothing is ever their own damn fault.

    Sure, clannishness and chutzpah explain Einstein, von Neumann, Feynman, etc. completely, not to mention the other 50 Jews who have won the Nobel Prize for Physics, and not to mention the hundreds that have won Nobels in other fields, and not to mention the Fields Medalists, the chess champions, etc. It’s all clannishness and chutzpah.

    • Replies: @JUSA
    So? Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize, so did Al Gore. The Nobel Prize has long lost its shine thanks to all the politics. Jews are great at ripping off others' research, like Einstein. I suspect more than a few shamelessly took credit for their assistants' or ripped off their competitors' research. The scientific research field is rife with cheats and theft of ideas, thanks to the Jews. The Nobel Prize committee is highly political, esp. after WWII, many felt they needed to make reparations. Also, how many on the committee are Jews? More than a few.

    Not surprise Jews are good at chess, or poker. It's all about strategy, and fooling your opponents, right up their alley. That's why Jews run all the casinos, the house always wins. The ones that aren't run by Jews go bankrupt, like Trump's.

  125. @anarchyst
    Germany doesn't need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel's nuclear weapons are already "in place" around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    It’s funny you should say – my Israeli friend asked me to keep a box for him in my attic a long time ago. It glows in the dark and I feel a sort of warm sensation when I get near to it, but he’s a good friend so I didn’t ask any questions.

    This is really stupid. The last thing you would want to do is pre-position nukes where they could be discovered and your enemies (or friends for that matter) could potentially gain access to them, learn your nuclear secrets and turn the weapons against you, create a diplomatic crisis, etc.

    If you were really going to do something like a suitcase nuke rather than delivering it via air or missile, you would only bring it in at the very last minute.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    Or you would shield the mini nuke so that it’s harder to detect. It’s not as if lead is hard to get.
    , @anarchyst
    Not so "stupid" if you think about this:

    Nukes are undetectable, especially if brought into the various countries by "diplomatic pouch".

    The "power outage" in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical "sleight of hand", as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the "power outage" without receiving American customs clearance or inspection.

    This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a "special exemption" granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel's nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for "the big one".

    As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel's benefit, another "incident" on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel's benefit.

    Israel's "samson option" is a real threat to "light one off" in a European or American city, if Israel's interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel's nukes are already in place.

    Look for another false flag operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    As an aside, American foreign aid is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (the Symington Amendment) or refuses to abide by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices.

    Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American foreign aid. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their agents of a foreign government with the U S State Department.

    Israel (again) with its American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of American law..
  126. @anarchyst
    Germany doesn't need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel's nuclear weapons are already "in place" around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    LOL!
    This is retarded. It’s full-on retard, and it’s retarded in multiple dimensions. So it’s full multi-dimensional retardation.

    Never go full multi-dim retard.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    Your name-calling destroys your argument. You must be a member of IDF unit 8200 or a hasbara.

    Shalom,
    , @Anonymous

    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.
     
    To the extent Jews have significant influence over the United States and Britain, and even France, is the statement false?
  127. @Lot
    Bret’s views on mass migration are regrettable, but his trolling the libs is A+. He also made his very first NYT column a defense of global warming skeptics.

    “ His embrace of eugenics is only partial and solely confined to his own group. ”

    Or maybe he’s going as far as he can go while remaining a NYT columnist?

    It’s possible that someone who reads scientific papers by Greg Cochran on IQ also believes that SSA and NE Asian are also equal in potential IQ. However, more likely he doesn’t, and this also informs his writing as a premise that has to remain unstated.

    How can you give #BedBugBret an A+ in trolling the Libs? That guy is a joke. An overpaid media snowflake who can’t keep from having a meltdown when subjected to some minor trolling himself gets a D- at trolling, at best.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Bedbug gets a C for effort but an F for practical impact. He's so prone to meltdowns that he's counterproductive even before you get to the GOP Establishment worldview that has done so much damage to this country.
  128. @Anonymous

    Of course the Nazis had killed (literally starved to death) millions of Russian POWs, so they could not have expected better treatment.
     
    Lies.

    During World War II, Nazi Germany engaged in a policy of deliberate maltreatment of Soviet prisoners of war (POWs), in contrast to their treatment of British and American POWs. This resulted in some 3.3 to 3.5 million deaths.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war

    You’re entitled to you own opinions but not to your own facts. That the Germans caused the death of millions of Soviet POWs is not subject to dispute by any serious historian.

  129. @Jack D
    It's funny you should say - my Israeli friend asked me to keep a box for him in my attic a long time ago. It glows in the dark and I feel a sort of warm sensation when I get near to it, but he's a good friend so I didn't ask any questions.


    This is really stupid. The last thing you would want to do is pre-position nukes where they could be discovered and your enemies (or friends for that matter) could potentially gain access to them, learn your nuclear secrets and turn the weapons against you, create a diplomatic crisis, etc.

    If you were really going to do something like a suitcase nuke rather than delivering it via air or missile, you would only bring it in at the very last minute.

    Or you would shield the mini nuke so that it’s harder to detect. It’s not as if lead is hard to get.

  130. @Jack D
    My first reaction is "what's Tevye doing playing this part?" My second reaction was "what's Topol doing playing this part?" - here is a movie about the maltreatment of Mizharim and they can't find a Mizrahi actor to play the lead? This is like getting Charlize Theron in blackface to play Harriet Tubman.

    My second reaction was “what’s Topol doing playing this part?” – here is a movie about the maltreatment of Mizharim and they can’t find a Mizrahi actor to play the lead?

    It was 1964. Yul Brynner was playing the King of Siam. The past is a foreign country.

  131. @Jack D

    Before the opening of the Suez Canal to commercial traffic
     
    The Suez Canal opened in 1869. I have no idea what period you are talking about?

    They were indeed primitive, but they weren’t the childlike peasants you’ve made them out to be
     
    You're just quibbling about words - calling them primitives is even more insulting than calling them peasants. They were not retarded, they were just isolated. Americans make the same mistake about hillbillies.

    and news of the outside world had thoroughly penetrated their communities. They knew about Rothschild, whom they referred to as “Rashil,

     

    This is not exactly a ringing endorsement of their acuity. In fact it indicates the opposite - that their knowledge of the outside world was rather vague and limited.

    “The Suez Canal opened in 1869. I have no idea what period you are talking about?”

    The period before the Suez Canal. I thought that was obvious.

    In Goitein’s book FROM THE LAND OF SHEBA he describes several emigrations of Temanim to the Holy Land, which is more than I can say of most European Jews.

    The rest of what you say is not worth a response. You don’t know what you’re talking about, I do, and I’ll leave it at that.

    Here are the facts: before 1948, the Jews of Yemen managed, without help from the outside world, to move about 1/3 of their numbers to the Holy Land. They were expert Talmud khakhamim, could read the holy books upside down, and after a bit of a shock, were accepted as complete equals by the sages in Jerusalem. (Not so with the Ethiopians.)

    Another thing. Save the cracks about socialism, although I realize you do it in a fruitless attempt to get the guys here to accept you. Israel was constantly at war in the first years of its existence so shared sacrifice was necessary. That’s all in the rear-view mirror now.

  132. @JUSA
    A strong case can be made that Jews succeed not because of their higher intelligence but because of a combination of insatiable greed for money and power, ruthlessness, dishonesty, shamelessness (collectively known as chutzpah) and clannishness.

    Clannishness: Jews in the media actively promote and quote Jews in academia. The term "expert" is just an endearing term Jews in the media bestow on Jews in academia and various Jew run "think tanks" in the beltway, esp. on foreign policy and immigration. Jews in business actively hire and promote their own, provide one another with capital and insider info -- around the world. As Henry Ford said, finance is not national but international. Jews in private equity and venture capital actively support Jew run startups.

    Chutzpah: Dishonest people always make the honest look stupid by comparison. The Jews' shameless dishonesty in all spheres - business, politics, Hollywood, the law profession, academia, media is what makes them appear smarter. Not their genius. There are many reports that Einstein plagiarized and ripped off another scientist's ideas about the atom bomb. Jews did not start the industrial revolution, they did not invent electricity, planes, trains, automobiles, radio, TV, the sewing machine, telephone, air conditioning, printing, compass, computers, microwave...their only "genius" is in making a bundle off what others invented, through "chutzpah" and clannishness.

    Jews are shameless in their dishonesty because they convinced themselves that everything they do is justified - by the 2,000 year oppression, the pogroms, the Holocaust. Being dishonest, they have neither the courage nor the honesty for any introspection and look at their own roles in why they are so reviled throughout history. Everything is always someone else's fault. Nothing is ever their own damn fault.

    “A strong case can be made that Jews succeed not because of their higher intelligence but because of a combination of insatiable greed for money and power, ruthlessness, dishonesty, shamelessness (collectively known as chutzpah) and clannishness.”

    Lord knows that’s true of me.

  133. @Jack D
    It's funny you should say - my Israeli friend asked me to keep a box for him in my attic a long time ago. It glows in the dark and I feel a sort of warm sensation when I get near to it, but he's a good friend so I didn't ask any questions.


    This is really stupid. The last thing you would want to do is pre-position nukes where they could be discovered and your enemies (or friends for that matter) could potentially gain access to them, learn your nuclear secrets and turn the weapons against you, create a diplomatic crisis, etc.

    If you were really going to do something like a suitcase nuke rather than delivering it via air or missile, you would only bring it in at the very last minute.

    Not so “stupid” if you think about this:

    Nukes are undetectable, especially if brought into the various countries by “diplomatic pouch”.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving American customs clearance or inspection.

    This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a “special exemption” granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for “the big one”.

    As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit.

    Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already in place.

    Look for another false flag operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    As an aside, American foreign aid is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (the Symington Amendment) or refuses to abide by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices.

    Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American foreign aid. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their agents of a foreign government with the U S State Department.

    Israel (again) with its American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    One, "ALL aircraft are nuclear capable." Maybe you can give the benefit of the doubt to Part 103 ultralights or the French CriCri, but basically anything bigger than a bathtub Aeronca or a VW powered homebuilt can haul a nuke of SADM or 155 mm nuke round size. A Skyhawk with a little modification could conceivably haul a B61 gravity bomb. A Cherokee Six or 206 would be preferable, of course, or a cabin class twin-they are easily bought cheap with runout engines but still flyable, or simply stolen, and often won't be missed for days or weeks, as a generation of pot haulers knew in the 70s. (I actually met Marty Houltin when I was a kid, but that's another story.)

    Two, Israel flies both El Al airliners and various US made military planes in and out of the US for routine and special maintenance and probably has sayanim on the ground in most or all of the facilities they fly to who could pull some shenanigans on the ramp or taxiways, and they probably have a good idea where our NNSA NEST sniffers are located on bridges, tunnels, overpasses, and on rail rights of way. I'm guessing an internal nuke move would not be exceptionally challenging for them.

    Another move would be to waterproof the beast and hang it under the bottom of a barge or sizable pleasure craft- several feet of water will block gamma rays and neutrons well enough. Putting it in a lead enclosure thick enough to do that would probably make it well over the cargo limit for highway trucks but it could be moved as a heavy haul load, disguised as say a power transformer, or certainly by rail.

    The perhaps equally scary part is that the Israelis are probably not the only ones who could pull this off. I wouldn't put it completely past the Saudis or the Indians either. But the Israelis would be the likelier people to do it, certainly.
  134. It was 1964. Yul Brynner was playing the King of Siam. The past is a foreign country.

    Yul Brynner had Mongol ancestry. Close enough for moving pictures.

  135. @Not Raul
    I still remember a picture I saw in National Geographic decades ago. She was a member of the Yemeni Jewish community in Haifa (I think). She was a dancer, and was working hard during a rehearsal. Uninhibited, smiling, glistening, lusty, joyful. She was incredibly sexy.

    They can be very good-looking. Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.

    And she could sing like an Angel of the Lord. I think there is an unusual degree of musical talent among Teymani Jews.
  136. @Jack D
    Sure, clannishness and chutzpah explain Einstein, von Neumann, Feynman, etc. completely, not to mention the other 50 Jews who have won the Nobel Prize for Physics, and not to mention the hundreds that have won Nobels in other fields, and not to mention the Fields Medalists, the chess champions, etc. It's all clannishness and chutzpah.

    So? Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize, so did Al Gore. The Nobel Prize has long lost its shine thanks to all the politics. Jews are great at ripping off others’ research, like Einstein. I suspect more than a few shamelessly took credit for their assistants’ or ripped off their competitors’ research. The scientific research field is rife with cheats and theft of ideas, thanks to the Jews. The Nobel Prize committee is highly political, esp. after WWII, many felt they needed to make reparations. Also, how many on the committee are Jews? More than a few.

    Not surprise Jews are good at chess, or poker. It’s all about strategy, and fooling your opponents, right up their alley. That’s why Jews run all the casinos, the house always wins. The ones that aren’t run by Jews go bankrupt, like Trump’s.

  137. @anon
    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    LOL!
    This is retarded. It's full-on retard, and it's retarded in multiple dimensions. So it's full multi-dimensional retardation.

    Never go full multi-dim retard.

    Your name-calling destroys your argument. You must be a member of IDF unit 8200 or a hasbara.

    Shalom,

  138. @Jack D
    Agree. There was another big group that ended up in Salonika, Greece (also Ottoman territory) and they were also very blue collarish, concentrated in occupations like longshoreman and they were not an elite or high IQ group.

    Unfortunately, the Germans make it to Greece in WWII and they too were swept up in the Holocaust, along with the Jews of Rhodes (which sits just off the Turkish coast). The m*ther f*king Nazis, you should pardon my French, sent these Jews all the way from Rhodes to Auschwitz by boat, train, etc. You couldn't just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    Those Jews had probably been there since the Byzantine days.

    I remember that some of the trains from Salonika had no survivors because it took them weeks to get up to Poland. The Greek Jews that did survive the journey tended to be extremely hardy and ruthless, though, possibly as a result, and managed to hold their own disproportionately well in the camp system.

    >You couldn’t just dump them in the sea, you had to send them all the way to f*cking Auschwitz in order to kill them?

    The Germans had already tried simply shooting people without moving them during 1941, in the USSR. It quickly became impractical on a number of levels, not to mention time-consuming and demoralizing. Furthermore, Nazi ideology naturally linked Jews with partisan movements and general disorder, even without the specter of Bolshevism hanging around, so removing them to parts unknown was probably better for order in the occupied territories, as far as they were concerned. Why take chances?

    Lastly, though he probably didn’t care that much about what Poles or Ukrainians saw or thought about the business, Himmler didn’t want it discussed too much with the other, non-subhuman occupied peoples in Europe-let alone people in the Reich itself-about what was happening to their (far more assimilated) Jewish neighbors. Better for them to disappear and retain some plausible deniability about the official line that they were being resettled in the east. Also a good way of keeping the Jews calm and not apt to revolt then just taking them out to the forest, leaving the rest to guess their fate. Once you were doing that, along with the concerns I mentioned above, why not lump in the Ostjuden-or, in the case of the western USSR, what was left of them after 1941-into the camps as well?

  139. @Not Raul
    How can you give #BedBugBret an A+ in trolling the Libs? That guy is a joke. An overpaid media snowflake who can’t keep from having a meltdown when subjected to some minor trolling himself gets a D- at trolling, at best.

    Bedbug gets a C for effort but an F for practical impact. He’s so prone to meltdowns that he’s counterproductive even before you get to the GOP Establishment worldview that has done so much damage to this country.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    If the NYT fired #BedBugBret, would they gain (on net) subscribers, or lose them?
  140. @Anon
    Please stop spreading the Jewish talking point about Spinoza the influential genius; he was neither.

    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.

  141. @Anon
    Please stop spreading the Jewish talking point about Spinoza the influential genius; he was neither.

    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.
     
    Spinoza was a “going concern”? What is that supposed to mean?
  142. @Jane Plain
    They can be very good-looking. Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.

    Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.

    And she could sing like an Angel of the Lord. I think there is an unusual degree of musical talent among Teymani Jews.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    Yes, excellent musicians although I don't think any of them crossed over to classical.

    But their absorption has been excellent.

    BTW, there's another Yemenite group, A-Wa, whose pronunciation of Arabic is better than Ofra's. They are underground popular in the Arab world.
  143. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst
    Not so "stupid" if you think about this:

    Nukes are undetectable, especially if brought into the various countries by "diplomatic pouch".

    The "power outage" in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical "sleight of hand", as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the "power outage" without receiving American customs clearance or inspection.

    This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a "special exemption" granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections. Just maybe another one of Israel's nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for "the big one".

    As most Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel's benefit, another "incident" on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel's benefit.

    Israel's "samson option" is a real threat to "light one off" in a European or American city, if Israel's interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper. No delivery systems are needed as Israel's nukes are already in place.

    Look for another false flag operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    As an aside, American foreign aid is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (the Symington Amendment) or refuses to abide by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices.

    Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American foreign aid. This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their agents of a foreign government with the U S State Department.

    Israel (again) with its American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) still gets "foreign aid" in contravention of American law..

    One, “ALL aircraft are nuclear capable.” Maybe you can give the benefit of the doubt to Part 103 ultralights or the French CriCri, but basically anything bigger than a bathtub Aeronca or a VW powered homebuilt can haul a nuke of SADM or 155 mm nuke round size. A Skyhawk with a little modification could conceivably haul a B61 gravity bomb. A Cherokee Six or 206 would be preferable, of course, or a cabin class twin-they are easily bought cheap with runout engines but still flyable, or simply stolen, and often won’t be missed for days or weeks, as a generation of pot haulers knew in the 70s. (I actually met Marty Houltin when I was a kid, but that’s another story.)

    Two, Israel flies both El Al airliners and various US made military planes in and out of the US for routine and special maintenance and probably has sayanim on the ground in most or all of the facilities they fly to who could pull some shenanigans on the ramp or taxiways, and they probably have a good idea where our NNSA NEST sniffers are located on bridges, tunnels, overpasses, and on rail rights of way. I’m guessing an internal nuke move would not be exceptionally challenging for them.

    Another move would be to waterproof the beast and hang it under the bottom of a barge or sizable pleasure craft- several feet of water will block gamma rays and neutrons well enough. Putting it in a lead enclosure thick enough to do that would probably make it well over the cargo limit for highway trucks but it could be moved as a heavy haul load, disguised as say a power transformer, or certainly by rail.

    The perhaps equally scary part is that the Israelis are probably not the only ones who could pull this off. I wouldn’t put it completely past the Saudis or the Indians either. But the Israelis would be the likelier people to do it, certainly.

  144. @MBlanc46
    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.

    Still a going concern when I was a philosophy grad student in the 1970s.

    Spinoza was a “going concern”? What is that supposed to mean?

  145. @anon
    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    LOL!
    This is retarded. It's full-on retard, and it's retarded in multiple dimensions. So it's full multi-dimensional retardation.

    Never go full multi-dim retard.

    Germany doesn’t need submarines for nuclear weapons delivery as Israel’s nuclear weapons are already “in place” around the world. They were pre-positioned a long time ago.

    To the extent Jews have significant influence over the United States and Britain, and even France, is the statement false?

  146. @Achilles Wannabe
    Funny how Steve's critical edge turns into mere reportage when it comes to Jews. Why does he even write about them?

    Now that’s an insightful comment!!! Interesting how Steve becomes a brainless little bitch when it comes to criticizing or analyzing Jewish power and domination.

    Steve should stick to what he does best–attacking Mexicans and other powerless groups.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Mexico is a little larger than three-quarters of a million square miles, with almost 130 million people, and a top 15 economy. Mexican per capita income is in the upper third globally, being adjacent to the United States makes it look much worse than it would if located in many other world regions, because the United States is so wealthy.

    The Mexican nation is not powerless, and Mexicans as a group are not powerless, but do keep up your absolutely worthless drivel, americano.

    Covering the very real negative effects of illegal immigration from Mexico, or anywhere else, or mass immigration in general, is definitely worthwhile, and not an attack.
    , @Achilles Wannabe
    Oh I am afraid I can't call Steve Sailer a brainless little bitch since his writing and mode of analysis has helped set the truly progressive curve on criticism of race denialism. No matter how inadvertently, if carried to its essential conclusion, Steve's kind of thinking may one day help the populace discover a certain Elephant in their room.

    Also. when I criticize Steve I am just hiding behind a mask without much to lose whereas Steve is out there with his own name and perhaps a lot to lose. We know how tolerant the Elephant really is.

    Having said that I do wonder how much these Vdare type writers are accepting and even copasetic about Jewish Power. High IQ seems a fetish with a lot of Vdarer's.
    Also they look disproportionately Anglo and probably have the Anglo spiritual identification with Jews that the great German sociologist Werner Sombart and E Michael Jones talks about
    Don't know abut Steve's ethnicity though
  147. @Americano
    Now that's an insightful comment!!! Interesting how Steve becomes a brainless little bitch when it comes to criticizing or analyzing Jewish power and domination.

    Steve should stick to what he does best--attacking Mexicans and other powerless groups.

    Mexico is a little larger than three-quarters of a million square miles, with almost 130 million people, and a top 15 economy. Mexican per capita income is in the upper third globally, being adjacent to the United States makes it look much worse than it would if located in many other world regions, because the United States is so wealthy.

    The Mexican nation is not powerless, and Mexicans as a group are not powerless, but do keep up your absolutely worthless drivel, americano.

    Covering the very real negative effects of illegal immigration from Mexico, or anywhere else, or mass immigration in general, is definitely worthwhile, and not an attack.

  148. @kaganovitch
    Ofra Haza (RIP) was very pretty.

    And she could sing like an Angel of the Lord. I think there is an unusual degree of musical talent among Teymani Jews.

    Yes, excellent musicians although I don’t think any of them crossed over to classical.

    But their absorption has been excellent.

    BTW, there’s another Yemenite group, A-Wa, whose pronunciation of Arabic is better than Ofra’s. They are underground popular in the Arab world.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    BTW, there’s another Yemenite group, A-Wa, whose pronunciation of Arabic is better than Ofra’s. They are underground popular in the Arab world.

    They are quite good too but not quite Ofra who was one of the great mezzo sopranos of the twentieth century.

    Here is a very young Ofra with a back up band of neighborhood kids

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9_nVfNSsU

  149. @nebulafox
    Bedbug gets a C for effort but an F for practical impact. He's so prone to meltdowns that he's counterproductive even before you get to the GOP Establishment worldview that has done so much damage to this country.

    If the NYT fired #BedBugBret, would they gain (on net) subscribers, or lose them?

  150. @Jane Plain
    Yes, excellent musicians although I don't think any of them crossed over to classical.

    But their absorption has been excellent.

    BTW, there's another Yemenite group, A-Wa, whose pronunciation of Arabic is better than Ofra's. They are underground popular in the Arab world.

    BTW, there’s another Yemenite group, A-Wa, whose pronunciation of Arabic is better than Ofra’s. They are underground popular in the Arab world.

    They are quite good too but not quite Ofra who was one of the great mezzo sopranos of the twentieth century.

    Here is a very young Ofra with a back up band of neighborhood kids

  151. @Americano
    Now that's an insightful comment!!! Interesting how Steve becomes a brainless little bitch when it comes to criticizing or analyzing Jewish power and domination.

    Steve should stick to what he does best--attacking Mexicans and other powerless groups.

    Oh I am afraid I can’t call Steve Sailer a brainless little bitch since his writing and mode of analysis has helped set the truly progressive curve on criticism of race denialism. No matter how inadvertently, if carried to its essential conclusion, Steve’s kind of thinking may one day help the populace discover a certain Elephant in their room.

    Also. when I criticize Steve I am just hiding behind a mask without much to lose whereas Steve is out there with his own name and perhaps a lot to lose. We know how tolerant the Elephant really is.

    Having said that I do wonder how much these Vdare type writers are accepting and even copasetic about Jewish Power. High IQ seems a fetish with a lot of Vdarer’s.
    Also they look disproportionately Anglo and probably have the Anglo spiritual identification with Jews that the great German sociologist Werner Sombart and E Michael Jones talks about
    Don’t know abut Steve’s ethnicity though

  152. @Daniel Williams
    “Jews are inferior” = white supremacist
    “Jews are superior” = white supremacist

    What’s so hard to understand about that?

    “Jews are inferior” = white supremacist
    “Jews are superior” = white supremacist

    What’s so hard to understand about that?

    “Jews are the same as everyone else-that is to say, equally venal, equally self centered, equally shortsighted, and equally likely to abuse what privileges their differences give them if they do have differences”-now THAT would get you put in prison in Germany for sure!

    So, you just can’t win.

    Kobayashi Maru, much?

  153. @Uk
    So many people here project their own power fantasies onto Jews it is unreal.

    One would think any adult would be more sophisticated than to broadcast their own shortcomings so obviously.

    They’re not adults.

  154. If the Jews are such an accomplished people, it is strange that so many should feel the need to reach back into history and claim goy accomplishments that they were peripheral to (The Enlightenment) or absent from (Greek philosophy). It’s almost as if they recognize that Jewish representation among the prominent figures of the 20th Century is as much or more the result of taking control of institutions created by the supposedly subhuman goyim as Jewish brilliance. Such is their need to reinforce their sense of racial superiority, wounded as they saw the goyische world surpass them in every respect by the early 19th century, that they must latch onto figures like Spinoza who would have been murdered, had their ancestors had their way.

  155. @Anonymous
    I believe Watson is mostly English, and like a quarter Irish. I don't know how proud he is of his Irish ancestry. He's made anti-Irish comments in the past:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ucc-removes-name-of-nobel-winner-dr-james-watson-from-building-over-race-comments-904745.html

    In 2003 he said the Irish curse was not alcohol, but ignorance. "I grew up with that, where the Irish were, you know, not a serious people — blarney, full of blarney," said Professor Watson. "You can be real dumb or you can seem dumb because you don’t know anything — that’s all I’m saying. The Irish seemed dumb because they didn’t know anything."
     

    In March 2011 on receiving the “Irish America Hall of Fame Award”, James Watson stated that “I’m deeply proud of my Irish lineage”. Evidently by 2011 he had reconsidered the 2003 “anti-Irish comments” that you had cited.

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