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Fleet Street newspaper columnists are not, traditionally, the fittest specimens, unless you are measuring right arms well-developed at lifting mugs and shot glasses. The lady who has recently been writing The Guardian’s fitness column seems to have come up with a novel excuse not to let her current assignment make her too fanatical in practicing her ostensible subject:

Do you boast about your fitness? Watch out – you’ll unavoidably become rightwing

Zoe Williams

I’m not sure what exercise does for your body, but I do know what it does to your personality. And it’s not pretty

… By 7am, someone had posted a picture of themselves doing a complicated yoga posture on a log, and I was as angry as a bull. The problem wasn’t the hashtagging; the problem is with fitness itself.

I have been writing a fitness column for a year and in this time I’ve digested very little about what exercise does for your body. I still have to Google what counts as maximum-intensity every time I feel moved to talk about it, which is all the time – but I know everything about what it does to your personality, and none of it is pretty.

When it comes to nature and nurture, I suspect different fitness regimens are one area where nurture stands a chance, especially in regard to influencing political views.

The problem for making sense out of which fitness method to practice is that human biodiversity means that what works for one person might not work for another. (Similar complications help explain why diet advice is such a mess.)

 
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  1. Really sad that the tweet Taleb was replying to here was deleted:

    (picture of Paul Krugman in bike shorts and his Trumpy Cat t-shirt)

    • Replies: @jon
    @Carbon blob


    (picture of Paul Krugman in bike shorts and his Trumpy Cat t-shirt)

     

    Fortunately, the internet does not forget:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CavIJ3DW4AA4Z-f.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

  2. Worked for me.

    • Replies: @Kibernetika
    @I, Libertine

    I was gonna say the same thing (or something nearly similar).

    And as a self-professed libertine, your physical exertions were/are no doubt, prodigious, thereby lending you certain muscular and cardiovascular advantage ;)

    Both of my grandfathers could have beaten the bejeezus out of almost all of the men that I know these days. Even at my advanced age, when I think of my physical fitness, I think of my grandparents and compare.

    And they had a mental toughness that's very foreign to our times. They were quiet, humble, and capable men. And both of my grandmothers could no doubt take down most modern soy-fed pajama boy types.

    , @Pat Boyle
    @I, Libertine

    It makes sense. It's one of those needed health practices. If you don't eat enough greens you will find your bowels blocked. If you don't exercise enough your head will likewise fill with shit.

    Think clearly, do your push-ups.

  3. Man I can’t make the effort to give a shit Steve .

    She was a professional that’s how you get ahead girls and boys .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Branigan

    And whatever luck we bring with us .

    ” I’d rather be lucky than good ”

    • Replies: @donut
    @donut

    This was luck !!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Kyoungjong

  4. Sometimes I wonder whether cyclists, runners and others engaged in public forms of exercise maintain their characteristic grimace of deadly endurance even if nobody’s around to admire them. Maybe Bishop Berkeley could help?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Cortes


    Sometimes I wonder whether cyclists, runners and others engaged in public forms of exercise maintain their characteristic grimace of deadly endurance even if nobody’s around to admire them. Maybe Bishop Berkeley could help?

     

    Deprivation and highly taxing endurance exercises are divinely inspired.

    After a long bicycle ride or hike or walk or weight lifting or pull ups workout, God wants us to drink beer to replenish are souls and spirits from the exertion.

    Obese people pay the idiot tax by way of ungodly fat.

    God don't trust drinkwaters, and I got my suspicions about them too!

    Trumpy is a drinkwater. That's not so nice.
  5. So the left admit they’re unfit? #weightprivilege

  6. Steve, what, if any, is your own exercise regimen?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    , @J.Ross
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    He described it in a previous thread: there's this closet, and it's placed a certain distance from a window.
    Too much cardio ruins your gains.
    ----
    re DESTORY: That's not a typo, that's brilliant. That's exactly what people are trying to do when they fight over a narrative: to de-story their opponent.

  7. This explains why Guardian reporters often die of heart disease in their 40s.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @miss marple


    "This explains why Guardian reporters often die of heart disease in their 40s."
     
    Hmmm ... you sure it easn't some form of poisoning by the Russians?
  8. ‘member him ?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @donut

    I prefer this version...it is far less.....flaccid....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMph943tsw

  9. OT: YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
    A Tennessee assistant principal was placed on administrative leave Wednesday after he recorded a video addressing a ban on athletic shorts, in which he suggested male students “blame the girls” for the ban.

    If you really want someone to blame, blame the girls, because they pretty much ruin everything,” Jared Hensley, who also serves as Soddy-Daisy High School’s athletic director, said in the video.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/national/high-school-assistant-principal-bans-athletic-shorts-tells-boys-blame-the-girls/GsUnEqs5BQkjbSE922JKcJ/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @J.Ross


    A Tennessee assistant principal was placed on administrative leave Wednesday after he recorded a video [REDACTED] because [REDACTED] [RED[[REDACTED]] of [REDACTED]
     
    It would be useful to produce videos where most of what is being said is bleeped out, then let the proles think what they may.
  10. @donut
    Man I can't make the effort to give a shit Steve .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355Fk8drgZE

    She was a professional that's how you get ahead girls and boys .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Branigan

    And whatever luck we bring with us .

    " I'd rather be lucky than good "

    Replies: @donut

  11. @Stolen Valor Detective
    Steve, what, if any, is your own exercise regimen?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross

    Blogging?

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    @Steve Sailer

    Don't forget to include all the hours spent looking at pictures of golf courses and examining baseball statistics.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer

    > UNSOLICITED FITNESS ADVICE CORNER <

    Steve, if going to the gym is inconvenient, do the following quick full-body workout every other day. We want you truckin’ along as you enter your seventh decade. One must stay stronk. (If you have a physical condition preventing you from exertion, my condolences.)

    Warm up, stretch, and make sure you’ve got enough ceiling clearance for the thrusters. Start with 12- or 15-pound dumbbells. As you get stronger over time increase to 25 pounds each.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gczI5sINn9U

    Do one set of 10-20 reps:


    Push up

    Right row

    Push up

    Left row

    Deadlift transition to:

    Thruster (squat to overhead press)

    REPEAT
     
    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    his right to remain silent

    , @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    How often do you get in a round of golf?

    That Guardian article is a classic example of a columnist running up against a deadline without an idea. As far as I could tell, the whole argument was, "Fitness makes you feel strong and self-sufficient, which is right wing, implying that feeling week and dependent is left wing?"

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, you are a bastard.

    We all know this.

    But you are not just a bastard, and you are not just our bastard. You are the quintessential bastard. As such, you are obligated to exercise so that your talents are not cut short by the "sharp knife of a short life." If you don't live and blog until you are 105 years old I am going to find out where you buried and piss on your grave.

    , @Clyde
    @Steve Sailer

    Blogging will give you as much exercise as golfing in a golf cart. Blogging leads to enhanced blood flow and circulation, more oxygen transport to your fingers and brain so you are doing great there. Surely what the Doc has ordered for a longer life. Let's not forget how calmly you blog despite the cruel material (battle of the sexes etc.) you must negotiate. Seemingly sending you into a Zen-Satori like state, another plus according to the Medicos.

  12. Schwarzenegger was kind of a RINO, but maybe that was the steroids, or Hollywood. I think Stallone is similar, but maybe they would be like Tim Robbins or Susan Surandon otherwise.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @songbird

    Arnie didn't start out RINO, but then all the nurses in California yelled at him in an elevator and he Flaked.

    , @Bugg
    @songbird

    Sadly, Sarandon is a season ticketholder of my favorite team, the New York Rangers. Robbins was too until they broke up. Madison Square Garden makes it a habit to announce celebrities in attendance. Though when our group have our annual outing we let Ms. Sarandon know in unison so that's there's no doubt what we think of her, along with some shouts about how Tim was right to send her packing.

    At a loss how Robbins as cast as a pitcher in "Bull Durham". Most MLB pitchers have thick muscular lower bodies, legs like tree trunks,whether that's Greg Maddux or Roger Clemens.And the physical requirements have become more pronounced as pitchers' average velocity has gone up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

  13. @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    Don’t forget to include all the hours spent looking at pictures of golf courses and examining baseball statistics.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @TheBoom


    Don’t forget to include all the hours spent looking at pictures of golf courses and examining baseball statistics.
     
    Does the IRS allow those as deductions?
  14. Probably depends on how gimmicky your workout is. The readership of The Guardian should consider themselves safe if they use cow bells, or other such nonsense.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @songbird

    Gimmicky? Well, she cites a picture of a "complicated yoga posture on a log" caused her to be "angry as a bull."

    I'd say she's overwrought. As is often said when someone complains about another, "Sounds like a personal problem."

    Just more Sailer's First Law of Female Journalism.

  15. http://archive.is/tayzN

    James Hohmann @jameshohmann
    Brett Kavanaugh notes that the summer that the sexual assault allegedly took place, when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed, he had spent a lot of time lifting weights and doing strength training.
    12:37 PM – 27 Sep 2018

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous



    when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed

     

    "a bed" LOL.

    She never said which house and never pointed out which bed.

    Has she even described the bed's style or pattern on the blanket or size of pillows etc?

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @pyrrhus
    @Anonymous

    OMG! Kavanaugh must be guilty, he's Haven Monahan on steroids...

    , @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    Because in James Hohmann's experience, he never worked out in the summer to get in shape for the high school football team, so why should anyone else??

  16. 1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms’

    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms’
     
    Since the whole thing is narrative, any "destorying" would harm them more than us.

    Also, most voters are out of school, and don't have to face midterms anymore. Grade away, Dems.
    , @Anon
    @Tiny Duck

    Black ppl have a higher incidence of inter organ fat making them appear fit when they are usually anything but . Think black dudes that are slim and look ripped but have a big distended abdomen (still showing a 6 pack) . This is the most unhealthy way to store fat .Black ppl have the highest obesity, diabetes and hypertension risk and shortest life span.

    Go back to your chair in the corner and enjoy the show now.

    , @donut
    @Tiny Duck

    We've been duckrolled .

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Tiny Duck

    Looks like TD got his blogging troll check just in time to weigh in on BK.

    Here's a secret TD - nobody missed you.

    Replies: @Jason K., @jon

    , @celt darnell
    @Tiny Duck

    African Americans are statistically speaking more prone to obesity than whites. Hardly evidence of greater fitness.

    As for us having lost, we'll we've certainly been able to lose more body fat than you lot.

    Or better yet, not put it on in the first place, chubby.

    , @Daniel H
    @Tiny Duck

    Welcome back Tiny. We have all missed you.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    td!!!! Where have you been? Did you just get out of county?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Tiny Duck

    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Tiny Duck



    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

     

    Diabeetus be racist:


    The Disparate Impact [LOL] of Diabetes on Racial/Ethnic Minority Populations

    The risk of diabetes is 77% higher among African Americans than among non-Hispanic white Americans.

     

    Replies: @F0337

    , @Alfa158
    @Tiny Duck

    Welcome back! I see during your absence you have been working on the suggestions I’ve been giving you on the secrets to successful lampooning. I especially noted your use of my rule; keep down the number of misspellings or malapropisms per post. “DESTORY” was a good one, and the second one “midterms’ “ was a bit of gilding the lily, but it was subtle so I’ll let it slide this time.
    To take you to the next step of your training I’m going to give you numerical grades from now on. They’ll consist of the IQ of the person you are simulating. Your target will be to keep the simulated IQ in the range of 90 to 95. You scored a 93 on this post. Thank you for all your hard work.

  17. ‘member him ?

    Brusteagle

  18. I think this topic comes up so often because Steve is worried that if he lifts any more than his fingers, iSteve will turn into a blog of esoteric Aryan-Gulenism.

  19. Here’s what I think of fitness :

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @donut

    Speaking of big blacks, Son Seals has this to say.....(worth listening to)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lg9IsGEUlI

  20. Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing

    It’s the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "It’s the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving."

    I think Zoe Williams has one child of her own, one stepchild, and one aborted former child.

    I think there's a divide here between runners/cyclists and gym bunnies. Runners and cyclists tend middle class left/liberal round here, gym types not so much.

    , @dvorak
    @Reg Cæsar


    It’s the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.
     
    Great point.
    , @pyrrhus
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are also less afraid of other people...Leftists are in a perpetual state of fear...

  21. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    BREAKING: the person who doxxed #LindseyGraham and two other senators yesterday? The IP address belongs to Kathleen Sengstock, a “Legislative Director” in the House of Representatives for #MadMaxineWaters!!!

    Well done, /pol/! Spread this to EVERY REAL NEWS OUTLET YOU CAN, #GabFam! THIS IS BIG!!!

    https://8ch.net/pol/res/12204637.html

  22. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms’

    Since the whole thing is narrative, any “destorying” would harm them more than us.

    Also, most voters are out of school, and don’t have to face midterms anymore. Grade away, Dems.

  23. @TheBoom
    @Steve Sailer

    Don't forget to include all the hours spent looking at pictures of golf courses and examining baseball statistics.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget to include all the hours spent looking at pictures of golf courses and examining baseball statistics.

    Does the IRS allow those as deductions?

  24. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    Black ppl have a higher incidence of inter organ fat making them appear fit when they are usually anything but . Think black dudes that are slim and look ripped but have a big distended abdomen (still showing a 6 pack) . This is the most unhealthy way to store fat .Black ppl have the highest obesity, diabetes and hypertension risk and shortest life span.

    Go back to your chair in the corner and enjoy the show now.

  25. As part of #FitnessDay, some stark figures were revealed; 1.4m cats don’t get enough exercise.

    Zoe Williams’ cats, however, do hot yoga every other day and Zumba every weekend, so they’re not part of this sad statistic. They are not one bit rightwing, though.

  26. @Stolen Valor Detective
    Steve, what, if any, is your own exercise regimen?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross

    He described it in a previous thread: there’s this closet, and it’s placed a certain distance from a window.
    Too much cardio ruins your gains.
    —-
    re DESTORY: That’s not a typo, that’s brilliant. That’s exactly what people are trying to do when they fight over a narrative: to de-story their opponent.

  27. I hope she’s right, because I’ve seen a rash of women in the gym lately. Maybe this fitness craze can even rescue a few wayward thots – but if not, at least we’ll have a more attractive class of catlady in a few decades.

  28. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    We’ve been duckrolled .

  29. For once, the Guardian is correct: right-wingers are almost always fitter and stronger than left-wingers.

    That’s why the left is populated with soyboys, bugmen, blue-haired tattooed fatties, and other specimens of indeterminate sex.

    Most gym bros by contrast are fascists.

    • Agree: sb
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @celt darnell

    But the question is, chicken and egg-like, did working out turn the gym bros right-wing, or are right-wing bros naturally attracted to the gym...

  30. Was Fleetwood Mac a country band ?

  31. That’s the most interesting argument for not exercising yet. You’ll become a righty!

  32. The problem for making sense out of which fitness method to practice is that human biodiversity means that what works for one person might not work for another. (Similar complications help explain why diet advice is such a mess.)

    I suspect there’s less useful variation than most people think. There’s a lot of surface diversity for marketing purposes.

    If you want to lose weight, you can do Atkins, keto, South Beach, paleo, Dr. Bernstein, etc., which are all basically low carb diets.

    If you want to get stronger, you can do Starting Strength, Strong Lifts, Wendler, etc. which are all basically barbell programs.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Dave Pinsen

    Agree.

    , @Forbes
    @Dave Pinsen

    And apparently, Weight Watchers (calorie counting as low carb), is changing its name to WW, much like Dunkin' Donuts is becoming DD, for marketing to a wider audience. (Sorry about the pun.)

    I like the idea of Double Ds...

  33. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    Looks like TD got his blogging troll check just in time to weigh in on BK.

    Here’s a secret TD – nobody missed you.

    • Replies: @Jason K.
    @Jim Don Bob

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @F0337, @jon

    , @jon
    @Jim Don Bob


    Here’s a secret TD – nobody missed you.
     
    And yet you responded?
  34. I got posts waiting .

  35. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    African Americans are statistically speaking more prone to obesity than whites. Hardly evidence of greater fitness.

    As for us having lost, we’ll we’ve certainly been able to lose more body fat than you lot.

    Or better yet, not put it on in the first place, chubby.

  36. @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    > UNSOLICITED FITNESS ADVICE CORNER <

    Steve, if going to the gym is inconvenient, do the following quick full-body workout every other day. We want you truckin’ along as you enter your seventh decade. One must stay stronk. (If you have a physical condition preventing you from exertion, my condolences.)

    Warm up, stretch, and make sure you’ve got enough ceiling clearance for the thrusters. Start with 12- or 15-pound dumbbells. As you get stronger over time increase to 25 pounds each.

    Do one set of 10-20 reps:

    Push up

    Right row

    Push up

    Left row

    Deadlift transition to:

    Thruster (squat to overhead press)

    REPEAT

  37. @donut
    'member him ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj7Bmbr3UF0

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    I prefer this version…it is far less…..flaccid….

  38. I thought Darwinian fitness when I read “fitness makes you rightwing”. Turns out the Guardian airhead was talking about grooming fitness, the kind that people living in population sinks do a lot of.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @trelane

    In terms of Darwinian fitness, surely in the UK Muslims and Orthodox Jews have the greatest - because they are reproducing at a much faster rate than everyone else. They've found an environmental niche called the UK benefits system.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/16/majority-of-british-jews-will-be-ultra-orthodox-by-end-of-century-study-finds

    It'll be interesting to see what long-term difference the Cameron/Osborne welfare reforms which limit future benefits to only two children makes (existing large families keep their benefits, but new ones only get benefits for two kids). A Corbyn government is likely to reverse the changes, of course.

  39. @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    his right to remain silent

  40. @songbird
    Schwarzenegger was kind of a RINO, but maybe that was the steroids, or Hollywood. I think Stallone is similar, but maybe they would be like Tim Robbins or Susan Surandon otherwise.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Bugg

    Arnie didn’t start out RINO, but then all the nurses in California yelled at him in an elevator and he Flaked.

  41. Most current age fitness models are childless narcissists using varying doses of synthetic testosterone to aide the shaping of their physiques. The irony of course, is that they all pedal the “go girl” and “anything a man can do” crap while supplementing with male hormones.

    Zoe, those are not the right wingers you’re looking for.

  42. I’ve digested very little

    I doubt it, sweetheart!

  43. these people don’t bother to cite a “study “any more ,they just make things up. Of course most of the studies were bulls**t too.

  44. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    Welcome back Tiny. We have all missed you.

  45. Tiny Duck seems to think all black men look like the ones in the cuckold porn he faps to, a sure sign his image of black people comes from the media rather than rl experience.

    But he has a point. Black men who are fit tend to vote Dem. of course, blacks are the most socially conservative group in the country, far more so than whites, but they vote Dem for the free gibmedats.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if the Hispanics and Sikhs at my gym were the same way. But yeah, most of the white guys there are definitely right of center.

  46. Resist this :

    Germans waiting for the BBC . Well they’ve got it now . Happy bitches ?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @donut

    It's been 4 decades and for all that time I would have told you that 1-hit artist was a black woman, if you'd asked. BTW, Donut, Disco is DEAD!

    Replies: @donut

  47. Think how her old videos must torment her .

  48. @I, Libertine
    Worked for me.

    Replies: @Kibernetika, @Pat Boyle

    I was gonna say the same thing (or something nearly similar).

    And as a self-professed libertine, your physical exertions were/are no doubt, prodigious, thereby lending you certain muscular and cardiovascular advantage 😉

    Both of my grandfathers could have beaten the bejeezus out of almost all of the men that I know these days. Even at my advanced age, when I think of my physical fitness, I think of my grandparents and compare.

    And they had a mental toughness that’s very foreign to our times. They were quiet, humble, and capable men. And both of my grandmothers could no doubt take down most modern soy-fed pajama boy types.

  49. Talk about “wig in a box”.

    She is a tragic character IMHO .

  50. Christine Blasey Ford’s fantasy of that Kavanaugh guy :

  51. @Jim Don Bob
    @Tiny Duck

    Looks like TD got his blogging troll check just in time to weigh in on BK.

    Here's a secret TD - nobody missed you.

    Replies: @Jason K., @jon

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jason K.


    no recent commenting history
     
    , @F0337
    @Jason K.


    Tiny Duck is a great satirist.
     
    Perhaps. But just as one needs xanax to take the edge off a cocaine high--or so I'm told--we need Fish to put TD in his place and keep him there.

    To quote Carly Simon--no one does it better.

    Search terms: "fish ohs tinys isteve"
    , @jon
    @Jason K.


    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.
     
    And Starship Troopers was supposed to be a send-up of fascist tendencies, didn't make the movie any easier to watch.
  52. Steve,
    If you’re serious about blogging on fitness, you should reference at the same time the research showing that fitness improves mental functioning.

    I.e., feeling tired and in a mental fog? Maybe that explains why you think Blasey Ford’s accusations are credible. A couple weeks of squats and ketosis and you’ll see reality clearly again…

  53. @songbird
    Schwarzenegger was kind of a RINO, but maybe that was the steroids, or Hollywood. I think Stallone is similar, but maybe they would be like Tim Robbins or Susan Surandon otherwise.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Bugg

    Sadly, Sarandon is a season ticketholder of my favorite team, the New York Rangers. Robbins was too until they broke up. Madison Square Garden makes it a habit to announce celebrities in attendance. Though when our group have our annual outing we let Ms. Sarandon know in unison so that’s there’s no doubt what we think of her, along with some shouts about how Tim was right to send her packing.

    At a loss how Robbins as cast as a pitcher in “Bull Durham”. Most MLB pitchers have thick muscular lower bodies, legs like tree trunks,whether that’s Greg Maddux or Roger Clemens.And the physical requirements have become more pronounced as pitchers’ average velocity has gone up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bugg

    Not sure how Robbins got cast as a pitcher, but for what it's worth Sarandon is a notorious and admitted size queen and Robbins widely acknowledged as one of the horses of Hollywood.

    It's worth reviewing Richard Ben Cramer's DiMaggio autobiography (pp.65) for comments on Lefty Gomez...I'd post a quote but Amazon and Google's tech is pretty good at keeping the text uncopyable.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Bugg

    I think of Susan Sarandon as the american Vanessa Redgrave - I disagree with her politics (though Sarandon is at least more consistent than a lot of Hollywood lefties), but I don't hold it against her because she's nice to look at.

  54. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    td!!!! Where have you been? Did you just get out of county?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Unladen Swallow

    Unladen wins the conversation!

    (European, I expect?)

  55. A 13 year old girl is murdered in a park in Burnaby [British Columbia] in broad daylight by a [S]yrian refugee who was fast-tracked due to Trudeau’s policies. When asked about it, [Trudeau] has a little chuckle.

    Her name was Marrisa Shen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EXb9wYKa7w

    In fairness Trudeau isn’t laughing at dead Asians, he’s doing that awkwardness tic that amoral thoughtless people think is not eminently slapworthy. He’s doing that thing that Paul Newman’s character’s son did at the beginning of Road To Perdition.

    • Replies: @F0337
    @J.Ross


    In fairness Trudeau isn’t laughing at dead Asians
     
    Right, but at the same time there is a certain gallows-humor satisfaction at reading crime reports and realizing that with the constant flood of third-worlders into our countries the odds of them offing one another increase dramatically.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  56. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    How often do you get in a round of golf?

    That Guardian article is a classic example of a columnist running up against a deadline without an idea. As far as I could tell, the whole argument was, “Fitness makes you feel strong and self-sufficient, which is right wing, implying that feeling week and dependent is left wing?”

  57. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

     

    Speaking of an emotional support animal, what would yours be?

    I think mine would look like this:

    https://sasscer.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/image16.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  58. anonymous[472] • Disclaimer says:

    I have been writing a fitness column for a year and in this time I’ve digested very little about what exercise does for your body

    Interesting. People who know nothing about some subject and are actually hostile to it are assigned to be columnists writing about it. Wonder how many unsuspecting readers read the column and assumed it came from a knowledgeable source? Probably a typical practice all across the board.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    British columnists are more likely to admit they don't really know what they are talking about.

    Replies: @sb

    , @F0337
    @anonymous


    Interesting. People who know nothing about some subject and are actually hostile to it are assigned to be columnists writing about it. Wonder how many unsuspecting readers read the column and assumed it came from a knowledgeable source? Probably a typical practice all across the board.
     
    Sarah Jeong writing about white people, for instance.
  59. 1. Lifting weights consistently for a few months is to realize that you can easily make your life much much better with the tiniest bit of research and discipline in the weight room.

    2. Subsequently you will be in a position to observe that 85% of the population will go to any length to avoid taking responsibility for their fitness and would rather be slobs and complain.

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    ————-

    I imagine the above experience may have a carryover effect as to how you observe other issues in society.

    Also if you are younger and accidentally lift yourself into the top 5-10% of men in your area, you are about to get a sexy lesson in the more Darwinian aspects of sexual behaviour of the human female. If the seduction guys are any indication this is a one way ave to badthink in other areas.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @b.t.o

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf, @Paul Yarbles, @Chrisnonymous, @Forbes

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @b.t.o

    You won't pant after trying to catch train for example. You can also lift heavy furniture during housekeeping. Women appreciate such things.

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @b.t.o

    Sorry, wrong address. My post was in answer to .L Woods' attack on being fit.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @b.t.o



    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.
     
    this is an interesting observation. I used to be the younger fitter person in my group of friends before I had some health issues that slowed me down. Back then they would talk to me about fitness etc., but I didn't pay it much mind because I figured I was okay. Now I could use some encouragement and advice,... crickets. However, one of my really overweight friends did tell me that I was the only friend who never tried to tell her how to lose weight. I replied that I had no idea how to lose weight because I had never done it myself, so of course, I couldn't tell someone how to do it.
  60. @anonymous

    I have been writing a fitness column for a year and in this time I’ve digested very little about what exercise does for your body
     
    Interesting. People who know nothing about some subject and are actually hostile to it are assigned to be columnists writing about it. Wonder how many unsuspecting readers read the column and assumed it came from a knowledgeable source? Probably a typical practice all across the board.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @F0337

    British columnists are more likely to admit they don’t really know what they are talking about.

    • Replies: @sb
    @Steve Sailer

    There seems a tradition of Americans feeling that they must have a clear opinion on any topic under the sun regardless of whether they know or care in any way about the topic.

    Maybe something to do with American schooling where everyone is expected and encouraged to have a view and all views are given equal weight no matter how dumb/ignorant/irrelevant

    Non Americans fnd this exasperating

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @Forbes, @J.Ross

  61. If right-wingers are in better shape than left-wingers it’s because right-wingers are shallow and mean.

    If left-wingers are in better shape than right-wingers it’s because right-wingers are stupid and lazy.

    See how easy that is to spin?

    I’ve never noticed that right-wingers are more fit than left-wingers. If anything I’d guess the opposite. The only reason for most of that difference, I think, is that childless, unmarried young leftists have more time to spend in the gym and spend more time chasing after their next relationship.

    It can sometimes be tough finding the time to stay in shape when you’re childless, and when the kids (especially when they’re very young) it’s sometimes damn near impossible – and that’s before even considering that a man’s testosterone goes down when he has kids.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @AnonyBot


    I’ve never noticed that right-wingers are more fit than left-wingers.
     
    Not relevant.

    The question is whether weightlifters are more right-wing than those who don't lift.
  62. One form of exercise overlooked is available to some of us: Supplementing one’s workouts by working one’s own land. Try maintaining three acres and manually mowing an acre of grass on it with slopes and obstacles. Split and stack your own firewood and treat your wife to lots of warm fires in the winter. You’ll be in shape and she will reward you. You will become a believer in natural law, no political science terminology required.

  63. They said you was high class but that was just a lie .

  64. Hey Steve ? You’re not fake news are you ?

  65. anon[952] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m calling it. The Ford investigation will blow up her so called credibility. As it played out, the allegations were devoid of fact. The FBI doesn’t care how she felt, which was her entire narrative.

    Her idea of being heard was to make the charges anonymously and get the FBI to remember for her. If she doesn’t remember something, there isn’t much to investigate. Democrats doubled down on the FBI. I expect them to choke on it.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @anon


    I’m calling it. The Ford investigation will blow up her so called credibility. As it played out, the allegations were devoid of fact. The FBI doesn’t care how she felt, which was her entire narrative.
     
    I am not so confident. You have two wild cards. Mark Judge and Lawyer Avenatti, who is a very fame hungry shark and is brainstorming at this very moment. Flaky Mark Judge is highly vulnerable. I can only hope that his lawyer is very good and in control.
    Jeff Flake has given Avenatti a wide opening for this coming week.

    Replies: @Liljoe

  66. @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    Steve, you are a bastard.

    We all know this.

    But you are not just a bastard, and you are not just our bastard. You are the quintessential bastard. As such, you are obligated to exercise so that your talents are not cut short by the “sharp knife of a short life.” If you don’t live and blog until you are 105 years old I am going to find out where you buried and piss on your grave.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  67. @Anonymous
    http://archive.is/tayzN

    James Hohmann @jameshohmann
    Brett Kavanaugh notes that the summer that the sexual assault allegedly took place, when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed, he had spent a lot of time lifting weights and doing strength training.
    12:37 PM - 27 Sep 2018
     

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @pyrrhus, @Forbes

    when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed

    “a bed” LOL.

    She never said which house and never pointed out which bed.

    Has she even described the bed’s style or pattern on the blanket or size of pillows etc?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Did she describe the etchings on the ceiling...

  68. @Dave Pinsen

    The problem for making sense out of which fitness method to practice is that human biodiversity means that what works for one person might not work for another. (Similar complications help explain why diet advice is such a mess.)
     
    I suspect there's less useful variation than most people think. There's a lot of surface diversity for marketing purposes.

    If you want to lose weight, you can do Atkins, keto, South Beach, paleo, Dr. Bernstein, etc., which are all basically low carb diets.

    If you want to get stronger, you can do Starting Strength, Strong Lifts, Wendler, etc. which are all basically barbell programs.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Forbes

    Agree.

  69. Man’s basic nature is noble :

    A women’s basic nature is treachery :

  70. @miss marple
    This explains why Guardian reporters often die of heart disease in their 40s.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    “This explains why Guardian reporters often die of heart disease in their 40s.”

    Hmmm … you sure it easn’t some form of poisoning by the Russians?

  71. You are one burdensome editor , you feel me ?

  72. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    Diabeetus be racist:

    The Disparate Impact [LOL] of Diabetes on Racial/Ethnic Minority Populations

    The risk of diabetes is 77% higher among African Americans than among non-Hispanic white Americans.

    • Replies: @F0337
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    It's almost as if sitting around on your phat azz all day eating junk food ain't good for ya.

    Naw, j/k...it's racism.

  73. A more likely explanation is that guys who are attracted to weightlifting tend to have more right-wing views, on average, than guys who avoid weightlifting. If weightlifting makes you right-wing, then the western world should have started turning more right-wing in the early 1980s (when lifting weights became fashionable). Then we have the problem that many women are more right-wing than many males. I doubt very much than exercise-stimulated androgens explain the ideological gulf between say, Brittany Pettibone and Ben Affleck.

    Left field idea: maybe weight lifting makes you more libertarian? That would help explain the rise of neoliberalism in the 80s and 90s. Nerdy economists lifting weights and chanting “protectionism is for pussies!”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @unpc downunder

    It would be quite feasible to offer college students at a research university free personal training, with randomly assigned weight training vs. aerobic training. See how they answer a political questionnaire at the beginning and the end.

    This experiment would be expensive to pay for the personal trainers, but otherwise seems really feasible.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @L Woods
    @unpc downunder

    Brittney Pettibone is a groupie and an attention seeker. There’s nothing right wing per se about her.

    , @LondonBob
    @unpc downunder

    In theory the Western world did get more right wing in the early eighties with Reagan, Thatcher and Kohl.

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim

  74. Kavanaugh should take a lesson from his betters :

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @donut

    Thomas is pretty good.

  75. In my experience, the somatotype determines best what fundamental exercise type should predominate: mesomorphs should weight train, ectomorphs should run, and endomorphs should just put down the Heinemann’s butter pecan coffee cake (can’t fault them for that) and do both. Steve looks like an oxygen-burning ectomorph with a high VO2 max. Running as a mesomorph was frustrating optimum health and well-being for me, but a serious weight-training routine was perfect. Know your type.

  76. @unpc downunder
    A more likely explanation is that guys who are attracted to weightlifting tend to have more right-wing views, on average, than guys who avoid weightlifting. If weightlifting makes you right-wing, then the western world should have started turning more right-wing in the early 1980s (when lifting weights became fashionable). Then we have the problem that many women are more right-wing than many males. I doubt very much than exercise-stimulated androgens explain the ideological gulf between say, Brittany Pettibone and Ben Affleck.

    Left field idea: maybe weight lifting makes you more libertarian? That would help explain the rise of neoliberalism in the 80s and 90s. Nerdy economists lifting weights and chanting "protectionism is for pussies!"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @L Woods, @LondonBob

    It would be quite feasible to offer college students at a research university free personal training, with randomly assigned weight training vs. aerobic training. See how they answer a political questionnaire at the beginning and the end.

    This experiment would be expensive to pay for the personal trainers, but otherwise seems really feasible.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Steve Sailer

    The cheap way to do it is just to give the questionaire/survey to the students at beginning and end of any of the PE type classes that they are required to take in college.

  77. @donut
    Resist this :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAurdHLNzU

    Germans waiting for the BBC . Well they've got it now . Happy bitches ?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s been 4 decades and for all that time I would have told you that 1-hit artist was a black woman, if you’d asked. BTW, Donut, Disco is DEAD!

    • Replies: @donut
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No fool it's not .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M

    What colour is this guy , if it's possible listen don't look ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxf1IFgPH5s

  78. @donut
    Here's what I think of fitness :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0t8uwTLHU4

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Speaking of big blacks, Son Seals has this to say…..(worth listening to)

    • Agree: donut
  79. @Achmed E. Newman
    @donut

    It's been 4 decades and for all that time I would have told you that 1-hit artist was a black woman, if you'd asked. BTW, Donut, Disco is DEAD!

    Replies: @donut

    No fool it’s not .

    What colour is this guy , if it’s possible listen don’t look ?

  80. @b.t.o
    1. Lifting weights consistently for a few months is to realize that you can easily make your life much much better with the tiniest bit of research and discipline in the weight room.

    2. Subsequently you will be in a position to observe that 85% of the population will go to any length to avoid taking responsibility for their fitness and would rather be slobs and complain.

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    -------------

    I imagine the above experience may have a carryover effect as to how you observe other issues in society.



    Also if you are younger and accidentally lift yourself into the top 5-10% of men in your area, you are about to get a sexy lesson in the more Darwinian aspects of sexual behaviour of the human female. If the seduction guys are any indication this is a one way ave to badthink in other areas.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Joe Schmoe

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods

    It gives you more self-confidence and makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, and other men will automatically grant you a greater degree of respect than they did before. This will do wonders for your self-image and will also change how you see other people. It’s a great antidote to misogyny and will change your attitude so that you’re more likely to take responsibility for your failings rather than blaming them on others, hence the right-wing angle. Men who don’t work out become more deferential to you.

    Takes more than just a few months, more like 8-9, if you do it consistently. If you start now, you can have all that by next summer.

    This is not to say it will get you laid or invited to parties. You still have to work on your game. But women are way more forgiving of slip-ups when you’re fit.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Desiderius

    , @Paul Yarbles
    @L Woods

    Yes, it’s weird that someone would think that looking better, feeling better, and having more self-confidence from those and, also, from a sense of accomplishment would make one’s life better. Weird!

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @L Woods

    When I was in peak lifting (e.g., 4th set biceps curls = 80 lbs dumb bells x 6 reps), I was groped in public by strange women twice. I was too inexperienced at the time to turn that magnetism into sex, but the magnetism was entirely real.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Forbes
    @L Woods

    It called experience. Apparently you wouldn't know--you'd have to do it to find out.

    And yes, you'd have to do it for a few (6) months to discover the benefits. Most people are too impatient, and quit after a few weeks. Discipline, diligence, fitness results from effort. Nothing worth learning comes easily.

  81. @unpc downunder
    A more likely explanation is that guys who are attracted to weightlifting tend to have more right-wing views, on average, than guys who avoid weightlifting. If weightlifting makes you right-wing, then the western world should have started turning more right-wing in the early 1980s (when lifting weights became fashionable). Then we have the problem that many women are more right-wing than many males. I doubt very much than exercise-stimulated androgens explain the ideological gulf between say, Brittany Pettibone and Ben Affleck.

    Left field idea: maybe weight lifting makes you more libertarian? That would help explain the rise of neoliberalism in the 80s and 90s. Nerdy economists lifting weights and chanting "protectionism is for pussies!"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @L Woods, @LondonBob

    Brittney Pettibone is a groupie and an attention seeker. There’s nothing right wing per se about her.

  82. @Tiny Duck
    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

    2. Kavanaugh will NEVER be SCJ. The investigation will continue until dems DESTORY republicans in the midterms'


    3. YOU GUYS HAVE LOST

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @donut, @Jim Don Bob, @celt darnell, @Daniel H, @Unladen Swallow, @Buzz Mohawk, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Alfa158

    Welcome back! I see during your absence you have been working on the suggestions I’ve been giving you on the secrets to successful lampooning. I especially noted your use of my rule; keep down the number of misspellings or malapropisms per post. “DESTORY” was a good one, and the second one “midterms’ “ was a bit of gilding the lily, but it was subtle so I’ll let it slide this time.
    To take you to the next step of your training I’m going to give you numerical grades from now on. They’ll consist of the IQ of the person you are simulating. Your target will be to keep the simulated IQ in the range of 90 to 95. You scored a 93 on this post. Thank you for all your hard work.

  83. Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏
    At gym:
    Asked weightlifters in basement if they voted Trump. 9 voted Trump, 1 Johnson.
    Upstairs, bourgeois floor (machines), 10/10 Hillary.

    – Hillary/Trump & Weightlifting results are more significant (according to same norms) than 99% of published “science”

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984?lang=en

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @tanabear

    Legit as always from NNT. Thanks!

    , @El Dato
    @tanabear

    NEVER STOP LIFTING!

    It will change your brain, and the results won't be pretty.

    , @Song For the Deaf
    @tanabear

    In my observation, most of the people using free weights and barbells are males in their 20s and 30s. Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.

    Replies: @tanabear

    , @Brutusale
    @tanabear

    I wonder if the cops/firemen in the weight room told him the same thing some told me: How I voted or how I was supposed to vote?

  84. I get lots of exercise to keep doctor visits down to the bare minimum. Staying in shape does this. Not fool proof of course, but the more flab, the more you keep the Docs in business. Plenty of lib guys stay in shape, but as a vast generalization, conservative and libertarian men are into taking personal responsibility for their health.
    For women to stay in shape all they need is dance classes or aerobics with Ricard Simmons DVDs, Pilates and watch your diet and eat more salads. They have it easy.
    This was kind of interesting:

    Pierce Brosnan, 65, reveals he has taken up Pilates to stay trim as handsome star shows off £5,000 home trapeze machine >>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6159617/Pierce-Brosnan-65-reveals-taken-Pilates-stay-trim.html

  85. And you thought gay Nazi bodybuilder was just a meme!

  86. @L Woods
    @b.t.o

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf, @Paul Yarbles, @Chrisnonymous, @Forbes

    It gives you more self-confidence and makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, and other men will automatically grant you a greater degree of respect than they did before. This will do wonders for your self-image and will also change how you see other people. It’s a great antidote to misogyny and will change your attitude so that you’re more likely to take responsibility for your failings rather than blaming them on others, hence the right-wing angle. Men who don’t work out become more deferential to you.

    Takes more than just a few months, more like 8-9, if you do it consistently. If you start now, you can have all that by next summer.

    This is not to say it will get you laid or invited to parties. You still have to work on your game. But women are way more forgiving of slip-ups when you’re fit.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Song For the Deaf

    My fitness levels have fluctuated fairly dramatically over the last decade, and I’ve noticed surprisingly little difference in any of those arenas either way. I strongly contend (based on my own experience at least) that the PUA-sphere et al grossly (and perhaps deliberately) downplays the importance of social status vis a vis muscles, particularly where non-short term stuff is concerned. Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another, so I can understand the aversion to prioritizing it even if I don’t agree with it in an empirical sense. I do admittedly lack the body type to be big, so perhaps that’s the crux of it.

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only. Even then, I note that ‘alphas’ are often quite “misogynistic.” Much more so than pajama boys and only slightly less than the ‘losers’ you’re likely imagining.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Song For the Deaf

    , @Desiderius
    @Song For the Deaf

    Lifting is a necessary but insufficient condition for achieving those results.

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf

  87. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    British columnists are more likely to admit they don't really know what they are talking about.

    Replies: @sb

    There seems a tradition of Americans feeling that they must have a clear opinion on any topic under the sun regardless of whether they know or care in any way about the topic.

    Maybe something to do with American schooling where everyone is expected and encouraged to have a view and all views are given equal weight no matter how dumb/ignorant/irrelevant

    Non Americans fnd this exasperating

    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    @sb

    Well said. It's the tyranny of public opinion that Tocqueville wrote about: everyone has to have an opinion and it better be the correct one if you want to be in good standing with the Ladies' Booster Apple Pie Society. Except now it also means watching all the blatant propoganda shows (cf. "This is Us"), views less than laudatory betraying a suspicious note of anti-democratic sentiment. It's nearly impossible to engage thoughtfully with public life anymore as all social institutions are subsumed within "respectable opinion".

    , @Forbes
    @sb

    Even some Americans finds it exasperating.

    , @J.Ross
    @sb

    Non-Americans aren't allowed to have opinions. If you put forward perfectly correct information, it could go very badly for you. And everybody would ask, why the hell did he open his mouth in the first place? The Italians say, "the man who plays alone bothers no one."
    That's because they don't have trumpets.

  88. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bugg
    @songbird

    Sadly, Sarandon is a season ticketholder of my favorite team, the New York Rangers. Robbins was too until they broke up. Madison Square Garden makes it a habit to announce celebrities in attendance. Though when our group have our annual outing we let Ms. Sarandon know in unison so that's there's no doubt what we think of her, along with some shouts about how Tim was right to send her packing.

    At a loss how Robbins as cast as a pitcher in "Bull Durham". Most MLB pitchers have thick muscular lower bodies, legs like tree trunks,whether that's Greg Maddux or Roger Clemens.And the physical requirements have become more pronounced as pitchers' average velocity has gone up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Not sure how Robbins got cast as a pitcher, but for what it’s worth Sarandon is a notorious and admitted size queen and Robbins widely acknowledged as one of the horses of Hollywood.

    It’s worth reviewing Richard Ben Cramer’s DiMaggio autobiography (pp.65) for comments on Lefty Gomez…I’d post a quote but Amazon and Google’s tech is pretty good at keeping the text uncopyable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I meant his biography, not "autobiography".


    Joe DiMaggio: The Hero's Life
     
  89. @Anonymous
    @Bugg

    Not sure how Robbins got cast as a pitcher, but for what it's worth Sarandon is a notorious and admitted size queen and Robbins widely acknowledged as one of the horses of Hollywood.

    It's worth reviewing Richard Ben Cramer's DiMaggio autobiography (pp.65) for comments on Lefty Gomez...I'd post a quote but Amazon and Google's tech is pretty good at keeping the text uncopyable.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I meant his biography, not “autobiography”.

    Joe DiMaggio: The Hero’s Life

  90. @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    td!!!! Where have you been? Did you just get out of county?

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Unladen wins the conversation!

    (European, I expect?)

  91. In my experience, even thinking about fitness makes you right wing. (Here I literally stopped and did five push-ups and accidentally spilled my beer on the rug… this really happened…) The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Great point. Just the consideration that there might be goods as ends in themselves like fitness or justice leads to right-wing conclusions if carried to their end. And even if you fail to act on this insight you can't return to the naivety of the Narrative, whose comfortable watchword "Tolerance" precluded the need to strive at all, with the resultant anxiety that you may fall short of the mark in trying.

  92. @Jason K.
    @Jim Don Bob

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @F0337, @jon

    no recent commenting history

    • LOL: Forbes
  93. @Steve Sailer
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Blogging?

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Desiderius, @Anon, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Clyde

    Blogging will give you as much exercise as golfing in a golf cart. Blogging leads to enhanced blood flow and circulation, more oxygen transport to your fingers and brain so you are doing great there. Surely what the Doc has ordered for a longer life. Let’s not forget how calmly you blog despite the cruel material (battle of the sexes etc.) you must negotiate. Seemingly sending you into a Zen-Satori like state, another plus according to the Medicos.

  94. @tanabear
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏
    At gym:
    Asked weightlifters in basement if they voted Trump. 9 voted Trump, 1 Johnson.
    Upstairs, bourgeois floor (machines), 10/10 Hillary.

    - Hillary/Trump & Weightlifting results are more significant (according to same norms) than 99% of published "science"

    - https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984?lang=en

    Replies: @Clyde, @El Dato, @Song For the Deaf, @Brutusale

    Legit as always from NNT. Thanks!

  95. Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing

    That’s so imprecise.

    Fitness turns you into Hitler or a Nazi. To quote from the research article below

    Hitler did not limit his literary endeavours to Aryan Theory. He also wrote a staggeringly comprehensive guide to pectoral muscle development, which he called Meine Muskeln or “My Muscles”.

    http://adolfbody.sytes.net/

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PiltdownMan

    /r/ing Disappointed Hitler asking "Do you even lift?"

    , @Rob McX
    @PiltdownMan

    His taste in music interesting too.

    https://i.imgur.com/wiiwP0u.gif

    Replies: @Sean

  96. @anon
    I'm calling it. The Ford investigation will blow up her so called credibility. As it played out, the allegations were devoid of fact. The FBI doesn't care how she felt, which was her entire narrative.

    Her idea of being heard was to make the charges anonymously and get the FBI to remember for her. If she doesn't remember something, there isn't much to investigate. Democrats doubled down on the FBI. I expect them to choke on it.

    Replies: @Clyde

    I’m calling it. The Ford investigation will blow up her so called credibility. As it played out, the allegations were devoid of fact. The FBI doesn’t care how she felt, which was her entire narrative.

    I am not so confident. You have two wild cards. Mark Judge and Lawyer Avenatti, who is a very fame hungry shark and is brainstorming at this very moment. Flaky Mark Judge is highly vulnerable. I can only hope that his lawyer is very good and in control.
    Jeff Flake has given Avenatti a wide opening for this coming week.

    • Replies: @Liljoe
    @Clyde

    Tend to agree, as we have seen the FBI has become nothing more than the Gestapo for the Dems. The only thing that tempers my pessimism at this point however is the President's comfort in proceeding with the investigation. With luck the FBI may have enough straight arrows to actually investigate fairly, including an investigation into the accusers background and financial windfall received upon going public with the assault charge.

  97. @J.Ross
    OT: YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
    A Tennessee assistant principal was placed on administrative leave Wednesday after he recorded a video addressing a ban on athletic shorts, in which he suggested male students “blame the girls” for the ban.

    If you really want someone to blame, blame the girls, because they pretty much ruin everything,” Jared Hensley, who also serves as Soddy-Daisy High School’s athletic director, said in the video.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/national/high-school-assistant-principal-bans-athletic-shorts-tells-boys-blame-the-girls/GsUnEqs5BQkjbSE922JKcJ/

    Replies: @El Dato

    A Tennessee assistant principal was placed on administrative leave Wednesday after he recorded a video [REDACTED] because [REDACTED] [RED[[REDACTED]] of [REDACTED]

    It would be useful to produce videos where most of what is being said is bleeped out, then let the proles think what they may.

  98. @tanabear
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏
    At gym:
    Asked weightlifters in basement if they voted Trump. 9 voted Trump, 1 Johnson.
    Upstairs, bourgeois floor (machines), 10/10 Hillary.

    - Hillary/Trump & Weightlifting results are more significant (according to same norms) than 99% of published "science"

    - https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984?lang=en

    Replies: @Clyde, @El Dato, @Song For the Deaf, @Brutusale

    NEVER STOP LIFTING!

    It will change your brain, and the results won’t be pretty.

  99. @Jason K.
    @Jim Don Bob

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @F0337, @jon

    Tiny Duck is a great satirist.

    Perhaps. But just as one needs xanax to take the edge off a cocaine high–or so I’m told–we need Fish to put TD in his place and keep him there.

    To quote Carly Simon–no one does it better.

    Search terms: “fish ohs tinys isteve”

  100. @J.Ross

    A 13 year old girl is murdered in a park in Burnaby [British Columbia] in broad daylight by a [S]yrian refugee who was fast-tracked due to Trudeau's policies. When asked about it, [Trudeau] has a little chuckle.

    Her name was Marrisa Shen.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EXb9wYKa7w

    In fairness Trudeau isn't laughing at dead Asians, he's doing that awkwardness tic that amoral thoughtless people think is not eminently slapworthy. He's doing that thing that Paul Newman's character's son did at the beginning of Road To Perdition.

    Replies: @F0337

    In fairness Trudeau isn’t laughing at dead Asians

    Right, but at the same time there is a certain gallows-humor satisfaction at reading crime reports and realizing that with the constant flood of third-worlders into our countries the odds of them offing one another increase dramatically.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @F0337

    I regard a "Syrian refugee" and a Shen as completely different priorities.

  101. @unpc downunder
    A more likely explanation is that guys who are attracted to weightlifting tend to have more right-wing views, on average, than guys who avoid weightlifting. If weightlifting makes you right-wing, then the western world should have started turning more right-wing in the early 1980s (when lifting weights became fashionable). Then we have the problem that many women are more right-wing than many males. I doubt very much than exercise-stimulated androgens explain the ideological gulf between say, Brittany Pettibone and Ben Affleck.

    Left field idea: maybe weight lifting makes you more libertarian? That would help explain the rise of neoliberalism in the 80s and 90s. Nerdy economists lifting weights and chanting "protectionism is for pussies!"

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @L Woods, @LondonBob

    In theory the Western world did get more right wing in the early eighties with Reagan, Thatcher and Kohl.

    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    @LondonBob

    I wasn't born yet, but my sense is that brand of yuppie right-wing status-symbol consumerism may have merited a lot of the criticism and satire it inspired.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  102. @anonymous

    I have been writing a fitness column for a year and in this time I’ve digested very little about what exercise does for your body
     
    Interesting. People who know nothing about some subject and are actually hostile to it are assigned to be columnists writing about it. Wonder how many unsuspecting readers read the column and assumed it came from a knowledgeable source? Probably a typical practice all across the board.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @F0337

    Interesting. People who know nothing about some subject and are actually hostile to it are assigned to be columnists writing about it. Wonder how many unsuspecting readers read the column and assumed it came from a knowledgeable source? Probably a typical practice all across the board.

    Sarah Jeong writing about white people, for instance.

  103. ‘Fleet Street’ in the sense that Britain’s national daily and Sunday newspapers were actually written, composed and printed at Fleet Street itself, or nearby adjacent streets, has not existed in the past 30 years.

    You can thank Rupert Murdoch for that.

  104. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Tiny Duck



    1. Black guys are naturally muscular and fit

     

    Diabeetus be racist:


    The Disparate Impact [LOL] of Diabetes on Racial/Ethnic Minority Populations

    The risk of diabetes is 77% higher among African Americans than among non-Hispanic white Americans.

     

    Replies: @F0337

    It’s almost as if sitting around on your phat azz all day eating junk food ain’t good for ya.

    Naw, j/k…it’s racism.

  105. @PiltdownMan

    Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing
     
    That's so imprecise.

    Fitness turns you into Hitler or a Nazi. To quote from the research article below

    Hitler did not limit his literary endeavours to Aryan Theory. He also wrote a staggeringly comprehensive guide to pectoral muscle development, which he called Meine Muskeln or "My Muscles".

     

    http://adolfbody.sytes.net/

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX

    /r/ing Disappointed Hitler asking “Do you even lift?”

  106. @Reg Cæsar

    Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing
     
    It's the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dvorak, @pyrrhus

    “It’s the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.”

    I think Zoe Williams has one child of her own, one stepchild, and one aborted former child.

    I think there’s a divide here between runners/cyclists and gym bunnies. Runners and cyclists tend middle class left/liberal round here, gym types not so much.

  107. @AnonyBot
    If right-wingers are in better shape than left-wingers it's because right-wingers are shallow and mean.

    If left-wingers are in better shape than right-wingers it's because right-wingers are stupid and lazy.

    See how easy that is to spin?

    I've never noticed that right-wingers are more fit than left-wingers. If anything I'd guess the opposite. The only reason for most of that difference, I think, is that childless, unmarried young leftists have more time to spend in the gym and spend more time chasing after their next relationship.

    It can sometimes be tough finding the time to stay in shape when you're childless, and when the kids (especially when they're very young) it's sometimes damn near impossible - and that's before even considering that a man's testosterone goes down when he has kids.

    Replies: @El Dato

    I’ve never noticed that right-wingers are more fit than left-wingers.

    Not relevant.

    The question is whether weightlifters are more right-wing than those who don’t lift.

  108. @trelane
    I thought Darwinian fitness when I read "fitness makes you rightwing". Turns out the Guardian airhead was talking about grooming fitness, the kind that people living in population sinks do a lot of.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    In terms of Darwinian fitness, surely in the UK Muslims and Orthodox Jews have the greatest – because they are reproducing at a much faster rate than everyone else. They’ve found an environmental niche called the UK benefits system.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/16/majority-of-british-jews-will-be-ultra-orthodox-by-end-of-century-study-finds

    It’ll be interesting to see what long-term difference the Cameron/Osborne welfare reforms which limit future benefits to only two children makes (existing large families keep their benefits, but new ones only get benefits for two kids). A Corbyn government is likely to reverse the changes, of course.

  109. @donut
    Kavanaugh should take a lesson from his betters :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peEA-fqmwDU

    Replies: @El Dato

    Thomas is pretty good.

  110. @tanabear
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏
    At gym:
    Asked weightlifters in basement if they voted Trump. 9 voted Trump, 1 Johnson.
    Upstairs, bourgeois floor (machines), 10/10 Hillary.

    - Hillary/Trump & Weightlifting results are more significant (according to same norms) than 99% of published "science"

    - https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984?lang=en

    Replies: @Clyde, @El Dato, @Song For the Deaf, @Brutusale

    In my observation, most of the people using free weights and barbells are males in their 20s and 30s. Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.

    • Replies: @tanabear
    @Song For the Deaf


    Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.
     
    Treadmills, ellipticals, and other machine based equipment are all fake exercises. It is the fitness industry version of virtue signaling. It makes you feel like your doing something important when all you're really doing is wasting time accomplishing nothing. So people that do fake exercises and listen to fake news tend to be liberal. So no surprise there.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack Hanson

  111. The only difference between National Socialists and other socialists is the former believed in hitting the gym and the latter don’t.

  112. Pretty much anything that can be placed on a hierarchy of value will be considered right wing.

    That’s what leftism is: A fat chick trying to drag everyone down to her size.

  113. Also, this props up my Obesity Causes Leftism In Society theory.

  114. Let’s parse this piece of [I use the term loosely!] “journalism, shall we: “someone had posted a picture of themselves…”

    Breaking it down into relevant syllables, we have “Someone [singular] had posted a picture of themselves [plural relative pronoun].

    So, the observer knows about the ‘picture’ – an image of the writer’s subject. The image contained one individual. This keen observer was presumably NOT able to determine the sex [gender] of said individual, so resorted to a grammatically incorrect, but attempted gender neutral plural pronoun, “themselves.” Actually, I’m surprised that the PC pronoun ‘themself” hasn’t been coined already. Well, I guess I just did.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @VivaLaMigra


    Actually, I’m surprised that the PC pronoun ‘themself” hasn’t been coined already.
     
    Since "they" has gone full retard, how about "theirself"





    '

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  115. There is some body of research that strong men (above average lean body mass) are “right wing” in the sense that they favor redistribution of wealth to people like themselves and are against redistribution of wealth against people like themselves. Like male lions, they tend to hog the resources.

    But a poor strong man is likely to be a militant communist, while a rich strong man would be conventionally right wing.

    However, I don’t think this applies to strong females, nor to the “fitness community” which are mostly hamsters on treadmills. I suspect that weaker males incline toward conciliatory politics, presumably because they would get their asses kicked in a fair fight, and are good candidates for SWPL virtue signalling politics. Look at Weiner, skinny but couldn’t deadlift a broom handle.

    There is some evidence that attractive people are more right wing, and I imagine if you are attractive you have more incentive to stay fit, so maybe there is some general correlation, but its mostly males and strength training, not “fitness”.

    Let’s face it, there are more ugly, fat, lazy, stupid people than the opposite, so democracy means pandering to ugly, fat, lazy, stupid people, and leftism is democracy squared.

  116. @PiltdownMan

    Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing
     
    That's so imprecise.

    Fitness turns you into Hitler or a Nazi. To quote from the research article below

    Hitler did not limit his literary endeavours to Aryan Theory. He also wrote a staggeringly comprehensive guide to pectoral muscle development, which he called Meine Muskeln or "My Muscles".

     

    http://adolfbody.sytes.net/

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX

    His taste in music interesting too.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Rob McX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr4upQqWMtA

    Hitler was quite good at gymnastics as a schoolboy, and as an adult he was attracted to young lady acrobats. He was keen on boxing as a way or teaching youth how to bear suffering and fight on.

    Lets reverse it and look at whether being unfit makes you different. Unfit people probably don't bother to vote. Getting obese makes you depressed (via inflammation from all the extra immune system cells that are the majority of bodyfat) and less enterprising. Exercise does the opposite.
    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3BxYQqcqVNCv0ce8QaROce2THkE=/0x0:5136x3424/1200x800/filters:focal(2527x737:3347x1557)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57461207/813884326.0.jpg

    I think exercise makes you more materialistic and reward driven. Trump's political career was a very long shot and a bad business move. He was dissatisfied and not looking at it from a materialistic perspective; his excess weight was perhaps what freed him from a straight materialistic analysis.

    Sam Francis was "alarmingly well fed". Henry Harpending (and to an extent Gregory Cochran in the last photo I have seen) was conservative in an HBD sense and an academic outlier, but had really let himself go. I think to be unfit makes you less worried about being on the winning side.

    Replies: @Lowe, @Antlitz Grollheim

  117. @L Woods
    @b.t.o

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf, @Paul Yarbles, @Chrisnonymous, @Forbes

    Yes, it’s weird that someone would think that looking better, feeling better, and having more self-confidence from those and, also, from a sense of accomplishment would make one’s life better. Weird!

  118. I have been writing a fitness column for a year and in this time I’ve digested very little about what exercise does for your body.

    Glad one of them will admit it at least. Writers know how to write, and not much else.

    (Present company exceped, of course…)

  119. A lot of the left/right political divide is about those who feel the need to be protected versus those that feel like they don’t. An in-shape person feels more physically confident than someone who is not. Also, fitness is truly about putting in the work – there is no affirmative action in getting in shape, it’s all about effort and people who take the time to do so don’t have a lot of patience for people who do not or who don’t really try.

    All that said, I got to a Crossfit/Olympic weightlifting place, and maybe it’s because the average member is in their late 20s or early 30s, but politically I would say it still skews more to the left. On the other hand, when I was there yesterday the subject of Kavanaugh came up amongst a group of guys who I know have different political views and it was unanimous that relying on allegations that happened in high school was total BS.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Arclight

    Genes are your “affirmative action.” In any case this could help explain why the right always loses: a bunch of meatheads with ‘rugged individualist’ fantasies that don’t organize.

    , @Lowe
    @Arclight

    CrossFit is fairly aerobic. Obviously you build some muscle mass, but it can't be too much or you won't be able to do the runs, rowing, jump rope, star jumps, and long sets of other cardiovascular-intense work.

    The aerobic work keeps it appealing to women, who don't want to lift for their whole workout. Keeping women interested is important economically for the gyms, and having women around will naturally skew political views a little left, for two reasons. First, women tend a little left. Second, right-leaning men tend not to reveal how far right they are, in the presence of women.

  120. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Vaguely relating to fitness, I am reading in Heather Mac Donald’s recent book that racial preferences for medical school are justified because black Americans want doctors that “look like them.” In fact, there is quite a bit of (flakey looking) research that says that back males, especially, do better under the care of black doctors.

    I think that the “better care” may be nothing more than that the patients take the chip off their shoulder in the presence of a black doctor. And I think that the black “doctors” are probably predominantly GPs that pass their patients on to white, Jewish, and Indian specialists.

    But still, there is this “looks like me” thing in the zeitgeist. I wonder if it works the other way around? I wouldn’t mind being able to request doctors who look like me, white or Jewish males. I wonder if that would be allowed in medical plans? I wonder if the reaction to a black requesting a black and a white requesting a white would be treated differently? It would be an interesting piece of empirical research.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anon

    We've gone to two different doctors for primary care for the last 15 years or so. the first was a Chinese American male who was a right-wing Christian. The second is a Filipino American female who is a right wing Christian.

    They were both chosen at random, but we've had great relationships with them. I don't think the race matters; it's all about the worldview.

  121. @Rob McX
    @PiltdownMan

    His taste in music interesting too.

    https://i.imgur.com/wiiwP0u.gif

    Replies: @Sean

    Hitler was quite good at gymnastics as a schoolboy, and as an adult he was attracted to young lady acrobats. He was keen on boxing as a way or teaching youth how to bear suffering and fight on.

    Lets reverse it and look at whether being unfit makes you different. Unfit people probably don’t bother to vote. Getting obese makes you depressed (via inflammation from all the extra immune system cells that are the majority of bodyfat) and less enterprising. Exercise does the opposite.
    I think exercise makes you more materialistic and reward driven. Trump’s political career was a very long shot and a bad business move. He was dissatisfied and not looking at it from a materialistic perspective; his excess weight was perhaps what freed him from a straight materialistic analysis.

    Sam Francis was “alarmingly well fed”. Henry Harpending (and to an extent Gregory Cochran in the last photo I have seen) was conservative in an HBD sense and an academic outlier, but had really let himself go. I think to be unfit makes you less worried about being on the winning side.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Sean

    The last time I saw Greg Cochran on video, his head looked huge, and so did his gut. But in his shoulders and arms it looked like there was a bit of muscle tone. I guessed he either used to workout, or still does very casually.

    , @Antlitz Grollheim
    @Sean

    Your theory would explain the role of aestheticism in religious practice to cultivate detachment from the material world.

    Replies: @Sean

  122. “A lot of the left/right political divide is about those who feel the need to be protected versus those that feel like they don’t. An in-shape person feels more physically confident than someone who is not.”

    While there are cause-and-effect factors at play, as a general rule people who carry do not feel the need to be protected by others and have physical confidence galore. They definitely skew right-wing.

  123. @b.t.o
    1. Lifting weights consistently for a few months is to realize that you can easily make your life much much better with the tiniest bit of research and discipline in the weight room.

    2. Subsequently you will be in a position to observe that 85% of the population will go to any length to avoid taking responsibility for their fitness and would rather be slobs and complain.

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    -------------

    I imagine the above experience may have a carryover effect as to how you observe other issues in society.



    Also if you are younger and accidentally lift yourself into the top 5-10% of men in your area, you are about to get a sexy lesson in the more Darwinian aspects of sexual behaviour of the human female. If the seduction guys are any indication this is a one way ave to badthink in other areas.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Joe Schmoe

    You won’t pant after trying to catch train for example. You can also lift heavy furniture during housekeeping. Women appreciate such things.

  124. @b.t.o
    1. Lifting weights consistently for a few months is to realize that you can easily make your life much much better with the tiniest bit of research and discipline in the weight room.

    2. Subsequently you will be in a position to observe that 85% of the population will go to any length to avoid taking responsibility for their fitness and would rather be slobs and complain.

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    -------------

    I imagine the above experience may have a carryover effect as to how you observe other issues in society.



    Also if you are younger and accidentally lift yourself into the top 5-10% of men in your area, you are about to get a sexy lesson in the more Darwinian aspects of sexual behaviour of the human female. If the seduction guys are any indication this is a one way ave to badthink in other areas.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Joe Schmoe

    Sorry, wrong address. My post was in answer to .L Woods’ attack on being fit.

  125. @Cortes
    Sometimes I wonder whether cyclists, runners and others engaged in public forms of exercise maintain their characteristic grimace of deadly endurance even if nobody’s around to admire them. Maybe Bishop Berkeley could help?

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Sometimes I wonder whether cyclists, runners and others engaged in public forms of exercise maintain their characteristic grimace of deadly endurance even if nobody’s around to admire them. Maybe Bishop Berkeley could help?

    Deprivation and highly taxing endurance exercises are divinely inspired.

    After a long bicycle ride or hike or walk or weight lifting or pull ups workout, God wants us to drink beer to replenish are souls and spirits from the exertion.

    Obese people pay the idiot tax by way of ungodly fat.

    God don’t trust drinkwaters, and I got my suspicions about them too!

    Trumpy is a drinkwater. That’s not so nice.

  126. @tanabear
    Nassim Nicholas Taleb‏
    At gym:
    Asked weightlifters in basement if they voted Trump. 9 voted Trump, 1 Johnson.
    Upstairs, bourgeois floor (machines), 10/10 Hillary.

    - Hillary/Trump & Weightlifting results are more significant (according to same norms) than 99% of published "science"

    - https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/814560759577513984?lang=en

    Replies: @Clyde, @El Dato, @Song For the Deaf, @Brutusale

    I wonder if the cops/firemen in the weight room told him the same thing some told me: How I voted or how I was supposed to vote?

  127. Zoe doesn’t have to bother lifting.

  128. @I, Libertine
    Worked for me.

    Replies: @Kibernetika, @Pat Boyle

    It makes sense. It’s one of those needed health practices. If you don’t eat enough greens you will find your bowels blocked. If you don’t exercise enough your head will likewise fill with shit.

    Think clearly, do your push-ups.

  129. L Woods says:
    @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods

    It gives you more self-confidence and makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, and other men will automatically grant you a greater degree of respect than they did before. This will do wonders for your self-image and will also change how you see other people. It’s a great antidote to misogyny and will change your attitude so that you’re more likely to take responsibility for your failings rather than blaming them on others, hence the right-wing angle. Men who don’t work out become more deferential to you.

    Takes more than just a few months, more like 8-9, if you do it consistently. If you start now, you can have all that by next summer.

    This is not to say it will get you laid or invited to parties. You still have to work on your game. But women are way more forgiving of slip-ups when you’re fit.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Desiderius

    My fitness levels have fluctuated fairly dramatically over the last decade, and I’ve noticed surprisingly little difference in any of those arenas either way. I strongly contend (based on my own experience at least) that the PUA-sphere et al grossly (and perhaps deliberately) downplays the importance of social status vis a vis muscles, particularly where non-short term stuff is concerned. Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another, so I can understand the aversion to prioritizing it even if I don’t agree with it in an empirical sense. I do admittedly lack the body type to be big, so perhaps that’s the crux of it.

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only. Even then, I note that ‘alphas’ are often quite “misogynistic.” Much more so than pajama boys and only slightly less than the ‘losers’ you’re likely imagining.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @L Woods

    Misogyny (hatred of women) betrays a lack of self awareness. One can, and should, be aware of the flaws and foibles of women. That’s not only not misogyny, it does nothing to preclude the sort of fondness for women that most naturals employ to do well by them and with them.

    , @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods


    Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another,
     
    What?

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only.
     
    No.

    I read Heartiste too sometimes, he's good for keeping you from getting too polyannish about the fairer sex, but you can't swallow what he says uncritically.

    Listen: speaking as a former misogynist (who still feels twinges of it sometimes), and one who can spot it in others (like yourself), let me point something out. I'm not going to moralize about misogyny like feminists do, saying it's harmful to women, because neither of us really cares about that. It's safe to say there are different kinds of misogyny, the kind that alphas have and the kinds that others have. I'm going to talk about the latter. I speak from personal experience, you can tell me whether yours differs.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I've never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially. Let's face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works. The inability to do so is bad for a man's self-esteem.
    More to the point, I've never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn't just resent women, he's uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women. Being around those men reinforces his low self-estimate. Whether you're consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well. And that's something that never gets brought up, either by the manosphere or the feminists. Roissy's smart and he's usually right (see, I'm mostly on his side). But does he strike you as the type who's confident around other men?

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I'm one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it's bad for you. It reinforces the misery. It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all. When you're done reading blogs like Heartiste or The Rational Male, on the one hand you're happy to have your Schopenhauerian worldview confirmed, but otoh it's a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It's not in your interest to have that worldview.

    That's my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it's going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @L Woods

  130. @Arclight
    A lot of the left/right political divide is about those who feel the need to be protected versus those that feel like they don't. An in-shape person feels more physically confident than someone who is not. Also, fitness is truly about putting in the work - there is no affirmative action in getting in shape, it's all about effort and people who take the time to do so don't have a lot of patience for people who do not or who don't really try.

    All that said, I got to a Crossfit/Olympic weightlifting place, and maybe it's because the average member is in their late 20s or early 30s, but politically I would say it still skews more to the left. On the other hand, when I was there yesterday the subject of Kavanaugh came up amongst a group of guys who I know have different political views and it was unanimous that relying on allegations that happened in high school was total BS.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Lowe

    Genes are your “affirmative action.” In any case this could help explain why the right always loses: a bunch of meatheads with ‘rugged individualist’ fantasies that don’t organize.

  131. @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods

    It gives you more self-confidence and makes you more attractive to the opposite sex, and other men will automatically grant you a greater degree of respect than they did before. This will do wonders for your self-image and will also change how you see other people. It’s a great antidote to misogyny and will change your attitude so that you’re more likely to take responsibility for your failings rather than blaming them on others, hence the right-wing angle. Men who don’t work out become more deferential to you.

    Takes more than just a few months, more like 8-9, if you do it consistently. If you start now, you can have all that by next summer.

    This is not to say it will get you laid or invited to parties. You still have to work on your game. But women are way more forgiving of slip-ups when you’re fit.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Desiderius

    Lifting is a necessary but insufficient condition for achieving those results.

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
    @Desiderius

    Absolutely.

  132. @Reg Cæsar

    Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing
     
    It's the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dvorak, @pyrrhus

    It’s the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.

    Great point.

  133. I had an awesome workout earlier today, and still find myself thinking thoughts somewhat to the right of General Francisco Franco. Clearly there is method to the Guardian’s madness. I’ll go do a few extra pullups, and see how far to the right that takes me.

  134. @L Woods
    @b.t.o

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf, @Paul Yarbles, @Chrisnonymous, @Forbes

    When I was in peak lifting (e.g., 4th set biceps curls = 80 lbs dumb bells x 6 reps), I was groped in public by strange women twice. I was too inexperienced at the time to turn that magnetism into sex, but the magnetism was entirely real.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Chrisnonymous

    You mean they felt your biceps? I've done that to guys as a friendly opener and they always responded with grins. It doesn't mean she wants you, just that she admires your dedication to working out.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  135. Yeah but what about Jane Fonda

  136. @Bugg
    @songbird

    Sadly, Sarandon is a season ticketholder of my favorite team, the New York Rangers. Robbins was too until they broke up. Madison Square Garden makes it a habit to announce celebrities in attendance. Though when our group have our annual outing we let Ms. Sarandon know in unison so that's there's no doubt what we think of her, along with some shouts about how Tim was right to send her packing.

    At a loss how Robbins as cast as a pitcher in "Bull Durham". Most MLB pitchers have thick muscular lower bodies, legs like tree trunks,whether that's Greg Maddux or Roger Clemens.And the physical requirements have become more pronounced as pitchers' average velocity has gone up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    I think of Susan Sarandon as the american Vanessa Redgrave – I disagree with her politics (though Sarandon is at least more consistent than a lot of Hollywood lefties), but I don’t hold it against her because she’s nice to look at.

  137. @Anonymous
    http://archive.is/tayzN

    James Hohmann @jameshohmann
    Brett Kavanaugh notes that the summer that the sexual assault allegedly took place, when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed, he had spent a lot of time lifting weights and doing strength training.
    12:37 PM - 27 Sep 2018
     

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @pyrrhus, @Forbes

    OMG! Kavanaugh must be guilty, he’s Haven Monahan on steroids…

  138. @Arclight
    A lot of the left/right political divide is about those who feel the need to be protected versus those that feel like they don't. An in-shape person feels more physically confident than someone who is not. Also, fitness is truly about putting in the work - there is no affirmative action in getting in shape, it's all about effort and people who take the time to do so don't have a lot of patience for people who do not or who don't really try.

    All that said, I got to a Crossfit/Olympic weightlifting place, and maybe it's because the average member is in their late 20s or early 30s, but politically I would say it still skews more to the left. On the other hand, when I was there yesterday the subject of Kavanaugh came up amongst a group of guys who I know have different political views and it was unanimous that relying on allegations that happened in high school was total BS.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Lowe

    CrossFit is fairly aerobic. Obviously you build some muscle mass, but it can’t be too much or you won’t be able to do the runs, rowing, jump rope, star jumps, and long sets of other cardiovascular-intense work.

    The aerobic work keeps it appealing to women, who don’t want to lift for their whole workout. Keeping women interested is important economically for the gyms, and having women around will naturally skew political views a little left, for two reasons. First, women tend a little left. Second, right-leaning men tend not to reveal how far right they are, in the presence of women.

  139. @Reg Cæsar

    Guardian: Fitness Makes You Rightwing
     
    It's the same as with children. You finally have something worth conserving.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dvorak, @pyrrhus

    You are also less afraid of other people…Leftists are in a perpetual state of fear…

  140. @Sean
    @Rob McX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr4upQqWMtA

    Hitler was quite good at gymnastics as a schoolboy, and as an adult he was attracted to young lady acrobats. He was keen on boxing as a way or teaching youth how to bear suffering and fight on.

    Lets reverse it and look at whether being unfit makes you different. Unfit people probably don't bother to vote. Getting obese makes you depressed (via inflammation from all the extra immune system cells that are the majority of bodyfat) and less enterprising. Exercise does the opposite.
    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3BxYQqcqVNCv0ce8QaROce2THkE=/0x0:5136x3424/1200x800/filters:focal(2527x737:3347x1557)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57461207/813884326.0.jpg

    I think exercise makes you more materialistic and reward driven. Trump's political career was a very long shot and a bad business move. He was dissatisfied and not looking at it from a materialistic perspective; his excess weight was perhaps what freed him from a straight materialistic analysis.

    Sam Francis was "alarmingly well fed". Henry Harpending (and to an extent Gregory Cochran in the last photo I have seen) was conservative in an HBD sense and an academic outlier, but had really let himself go. I think to be unfit makes you less worried about being on the winning side.

    Replies: @Lowe, @Antlitz Grollheim

    The last time I saw Greg Cochran on video, his head looked huge, and so did his gut. But in his shoulders and arms it looked like there was a bit of muscle tone. I guessed he either used to workout, or still does very casually.

  141. @songbird
    Probably depends on how gimmicky your workout is. The readership of The Guardian should consider themselves safe if they use cow bells, or other such nonsense.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Gimmicky? Well, she cites a picture of a “complicated yoga posture on a log” caused her to be “angry as a bull.”

    I’d say she’s overwrought. As is often said when someone complains about another, “Sounds like a personal problem.”

    Just more Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism.

  142. @Anonymous
    http://archive.is/tayzN

    James Hohmann @jameshohmann
    Brett Kavanaugh notes that the summer that the sexual assault allegedly took place, when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed, he had spent a lot of time lifting weights and doing strength training.
    12:37 PM - 27 Sep 2018
     

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @pyrrhus, @Forbes

    Because in James Hohmann’s experience, he never worked out in the summer to get in shape for the high school football team, so why should anyone else??

  143. @celt darnell
    For once, the Guardian is correct: right-wingers are almost always fitter and stronger than left-wingers.

    That's why the left is populated with soyboys, bugmen, blue-haired tattooed fatties, and other specimens of indeterminate sex.

    Most gym bros by contrast are fascists.

    Replies: @Forbes

    But the question is, chicken and egg-like, did working out turn the gym bros right-wing, or are right-wing bros naturally attracted to the gym…

  144. @Dave Pinsen

    The problem for making sense out of which fitness method to practice is that human biodiversity means that what works for one person might not work for another. (Similar complications help explain why diet advice is such a mess.)
     
    I suspect there's less useful variation than most people think. There's a lot of surface diversity for marketing purposes.

    If you want to lose weight, you can do Atkins, keto, South Beach, paleo, Dr. Bernstein, etc., which are all basically low carb diets.

    If you want to get stronger, you can do Starting Strength, Strong Lifts, Wendler, etc. which are all basically barbell programs.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Forbes

    And apparently, Weight Watchers (calorie counting as low carb), is changing its name to WW, much like Dunkin’ Donuts is becoming DD, for marketing to a wider audience. (Sorry about the pun.)

    I like the idea of Double Ds…

  145. @L Woods
    @Song For the Deaf

    My fitness levels have fluctuated fairly dramatically over the last decade, and I’ve noticed surprisingly little difference in any of those arenas either way. I strongly contend (based on my own experience at least) that the PUA-sphere et al grossly (and perhaps deliberately) downplays the importance of social status vis a vis muscles, particularly where non-short term stuff is concerned. Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another, so I can understand the aversion to prioritizing it even if I don’t agree with it in an empirical sense. I do admittedly lack the body type to be big, so perhaps that’s the crux of it.

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only. Even then, I note that ‘alphas’ are often quite “misogynistic.” Much more so than pajama boys and only slightly less than the ‘losers’ you’re likely imagining.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Song For the Deaf

    Misogyny (hatred of women) betrays a lack of self awareness. One can, and should, be aware of the flaws and foibles of women. That’s not only not misogyny, it does nothing to preclude the sort of fondness for women that most naturals employ to do well by them and with them.

  146. @L Woods
    @b.t.o

    And the alt-right gym bro circlejerk rolls right along. How exactly does lifting for a few months manage to “easily” make your life “much much” better, outside of your narcissistic fantasies?

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf, @Paul Yarbles, @Chrisnonymous, @Forbes

    It called experience. Apparently you wouldn’t know–you’d have to do it to find out.

    And yes, you’d have to do it for a few (6) months to discover the benefits. Most people are too impatient, and quit after a few weeks. Discipline, diligence, fitness results from effort. Nothing worth learning comes easily.

  147. @sb
    @Steve Sailer

    There seems a tradition of Americans feeling that they must have a clear opinion on any topic under the sun regardless of whether they know or care in any way about the topic.

    Maybe something to do with American schooling where everyone is expected and encouraged to have a view and all views are given equal weight no matter how dumb/ignorant/irrelevant

    Non Americans fnd this exasperating

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @Forbes, @J.Ross

    Well said. It’s the tyranny of public opinion that Tocqueville wrote about: everyone has to have an opinion and it better be the correct one if you want to be in good standing with the Ladies’ Booster Apple Pie Society. Except now it also means watching all the blatant propoganda shows (cf. “This is Us”), views less than laudatory betraying a suspicious note of anti-democratic sentiment. It’s nearly impossible to engage thoughtfully with public life anymore as all social institutions are subsumed within “respectable opinion”.

  148. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous



    when Christine Ford says he pinned her down on a bed

     

    "a bed" LOL.

    She never said which house and never pointed out which bed.

    Has she even described the bed's style or pattern on the blanket or size of pillows etc?

    Replies: @Forbes

    Did she describe the etchings on the ceiling…

  149. @SporadicMyrmidon
    In my experience, even thinking about fitness makes you right wing. (Here I literally stopped and did five push-ups and accidentally spilled my beer on the rug... this really happened...) The perfect is the enemy of the good.

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim

    Great point. Just the consideration that there might be goods as ends in themselves like fitness or justice leads to right-wing conclusions if carried to their end. And even if you fail to act on this insight you can’t return to the naivety of the Narrative, whose comfortable watchword “Tolerance” precluded the need to strive at all, with the resultant anxiety that you may fall short of the mark in trying.

  150. @LondonBob
    @unpc downunder

    In theory the Western world did get more right wing in the early eighties with Reagan, Thatcher and Kohl.

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim

    I wasn’t born yet, but my sense is that brand of yuppie right-wing status-symbol consumerism may have merited a lot of the criticism and satire it inspired.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Antlitz Grollheim

    You’ve imbibed your propaganda well. That was happening then, but that was a world away from what those who supported them understood them to be about. That includes the leaders of the revolutions in Eastern Europe.

    And I was there for those, so don’t tell me they were just so much U.S. imperialism.

  151. @sb
    @Steve Sailer

    There seems a tradition of Americans feeling that they must have a clear opinion on any topic under the sun regardless of whether they know or care in any way about the topic.

    Maybe something to do with American schooling where everyone is expected and encouraged to have a view and all views are given equal weight no matter how dumb/ignorant/irrelevant

    Non Americans fnd this exasperating

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @Forbes, @J.Ross

    Even some Americans finds it exasperating.

  152. @Sean
    @Rob McX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr4upQqWMtA

    Hitler was quite good at gymnastics as a schoolboy, and as an adult he was attracted to young lady acrobats. He was keen on boxing as a way or teaching youth how to bear suffering and fight on.

    Lets reverse it and look at whether being unfit makes you different. Unfit people probably don't bother to vote. Getting obese makes you depressed (via inflammation from all the extra immune system cells that are the majority of bodyfat) and less enterprising. Exercise does the opposite.
    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3BxYQqcqVNCv0ce8QaROce2THkE=/0x0:5136x3424/1200x800/filters:focal(2527x737:3347x1557)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/57461207/813884326.0.jpg

    I think exercise makes you more materialistic and reward driven. Trump's political career was a very long shot and a bad business move. He was dissatisfied and not looking at it from a materialistic perspective; his excess weight was perhaps what freed him from a straight materialistic analysis.

    Sam Francis was "alarmingly well fed". Henry Harpending (and to an extent Gregory Cochran in the last photo I have seen) was conservative in an HBD sense and an academic outlier, but had really let himself go. I think to be unfit makes you less worried about being on the winning side.

    Replies: @Lowe, @Antlitz Grollheim

    Your theory would explain the role of aestheticism in religious practice to cultivate detachment from the material world.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Antlitz Grollheim

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpjYmYPKZNE

  153. @Anon
    OT

    Vaguely relating to fitness, I am reading in Heather Mac Donald's recent book that racial preferences for medical school are justified because black Americans want doctors that "look like them." In fact, there is quite a bit of (flakey looking) research that says that back males, especially, do better under the care of black doctors.

    I think that the "better care" may be nothing more than that the patients take the chip off their shoulder in the presence of a black doctor. And I think that the black "doctors" are probably predominantly GPs that pass their patients on to white, Jewish, and Indian specialists.

    But still, there is this "looks like me" thing in the zeitgeist. I wonder if it works the other way around? I wouldn't mind being able to request doctors who look like me, white or Jewish males. I wonder if that would be allowed in medical plans? I wonder if the reaction to a black requesting a black and a white requesting a white would be treated differently? It would be an interesting piece of empirical research.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    We’ve gone to two different doctors for primary care for the last 15 years or so. the first was a Chinese American male who was a right-wing Christian. The second is a Filipino American female who is a right wing Christian.

    They were both chosen at random, but we’ve had great relationships with them. I don’t think the race matters; it’s all about the worldview.

  154. @Chrisnonymous
    @L Woods

    When I was in peak lifting (e.g., 4th set biceps curls = 80 lbs dumb bells x 6 reps), I was groped in public by strange women twice. I was too inexperienced at the time to turn that magnetism into sex, but the magnetism was entirely real.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    You mean they felt your biceps? I’ve done that to guys as a friendly opener and they always responded with grins. It doesn’t mean she wants you, just that she admires your dedication to working out.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @stillCARealist


    You mean they felt your biceps?
     
    Happened to me too. In my case, the ladies were dripping wet.

    They were all sweaty, having just disgorged from the hot yoga studio or whatnot.
  155. @Desiderius
    @Song For the Deaf

    Lifting is a necessary but insufficient condition for achieving those results.

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf

    Absolutely.

  156. @Song For the Deaf
    @tanabear

    In my observation, most of the people using free weights and barbells are males in their 20s and 30s. Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.

    Replies: @tanabear

    Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.

    Treadmills, ellipticals, and other machine based equipment are all fake exercises. It is the fitness industry version of virtue signaling. It makes you feel like your doing something important when all you’re really doing is wasting time accomplishing nothing. So people that do fake exercises and listen to fake news tend to be liberal. So no surprise there.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @tanabear

    So only weight lifting counts?

    Replies: @tanabear

    , @Jack Hanson
    @tanabear

    Lmao broscience has arrived.

  157. @L Woods
    @Song For the Deaf

    My fitness levels have fluctuated fairly dramatically over the last decade, and I’ve noticed surprisingly little difference in any of those arenas either way. I strongly contend (based on my own experience at least) that the PUA-sphere et al grossly (and perhaps deliberately) downplays the importance of social status vis a vis muscles, particularly where non-short term stuff is concerned. Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another, so I can understand the aversion to prioritizing it even if I don’t agree with it in an empirical sense. I do admittedly lack the body type to be big, so perhaps that’s the crux of it.

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only. Even then, I note that ‘alphas’ are often quite “misogynistic.” Much more so than pajama boys and only slightly less than the ‘losers’ you’re likely imagining.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Song For the Deaf

    Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another,

    What?

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only.

    No.

    I read Heartiste too sometimes, he’s good for keeping you from getting too polyannish about the fairer sex, but you can’t swallow what he says uncritically.

    Listen: speaking as a former misogynist (who still feels twinges of it sometimes), and one who can spot it in others (like yourself), let me point something out. I’m not going to moralize about misogyny like feminists do, saying it’s harmful to women, because neither of us really cares about that. It’s safe to say there are different kinds of misogyny, the kind that alphas have and the kinds that others have. I’m going to talk about the latter. I speak from personal experience, you can tell me whether yours differs.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially. Let’s face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works. The inability to do so is bad for a man’s self-esteem.
    More to the point, I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn’t just resent women, he’s uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women. Being around those men reinforces his low self-estimate. Whether you’re consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well. And that’s something that never gets brought up, either by the manosphere or the feminists. Roissy’s smart and he’s usually right (see, I’m mostly on his side). But does he strike you as the type who’s confident around other men?

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I’m one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it’s bad for you. It reinforces the misery. It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all. When you’re done reading blogs like Heartiste or The Rational Male, on the one hand you’re happy to have your Schopenhauerian worldview confirmed, but otoh it’s a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It’s not in your interest to have that worldview.

    That’s my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it’s going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.

    • Agree: 27 year old
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Song For the Deaf

    Good if imprecise advice. Roissy is no misogynist and one can adopt the non-evil parts of his worldview without becoming one oneself. In fact it works better if you don’t.

    , @L Woods
    @Song For the Deaf


    What?
     
    I only meant that survival in polite society necessitates the recitation of PC lies and various other B.S. And, separately, that most of the early status games that set the tone for the rest of one's life (high school, undergrad) have already been lost by most of those drawn to the manosphere; hence, you'd need a time machine to win them.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially.
     
    True enough.

    Let’s face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works.
     
    Wishful thinking in the #metoo/no fault divorce era. Pretty sure it's also Heartiste (with whom I do not agree uncritically) who touts the (stupid) idea that one can 'alpha' one's way through these hazards.

    More to the point, I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn’t just resent women, he’s uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women.
     
    True enough. I'm probably worse with other men than with women at this point, actually.

    Whether you’re consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well.

     

    I'm conscious of it.

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I’m one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it’s bad for you. It reinforces the misery.
     
    Probably true.

    but otoh it’s a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It’s not in your interest to have that worldview.
     
    Almost certainly true.

    It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all.
     
    And that's where I leave the reservation. To actually like women as a whole (not merely be sexually attracted to them or paternalistic towards them) in some essential sense requires lying to oneself as to their nature. It's taking cues from your little head over your big one. I can't, on a fundamental level, truly internalize a lie as the price of relating to other males. Clearly, I can't actually relate to them -- I can only pretend to relate to them and attempt to fool myself into relating to them. And why should I want to? They're fools and intellectual cowards by and large, two of the qualities which I find most repellent on this Earth. They spare themselves a great deal of pain by embracing lies -- for this reason as much as any I do indeed resent them.

    That’s my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it’s going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.
     
    I am beginning to scrape my health back together after years of debauchery for this reason.

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf

  158. @Antlitz Grollheim
    @Sean

    Your theory would explain the role of aestheticism in religious practice to cultivate detachment from the material world.

    Replies: @Sean

  159. @Carbon blob
    Really sad that the tweet Taleb was replying to here was deleted:

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/747820822862127105

    (picture of Paul Krugman in bike shorts and his Trumpy Cat t-shirt)

    Replies: @jon

    (picture of Paul Krugman in bike shorts and his Trumpy Cat t-shirt)

    Fortunately, the internet does not forget:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @jon

    Next you will be posting some Michael Moore.

  160. @Jim Don Bob
    @Tiny Duck

    Looks like TD got his blogging troll check just in time to weigh in on BK.

    Here's a secret TD - nobody missed you.

    Replies: @Jason K., @jon

    Here’s a secret TD – nobody missed you.

    And yet you responded?

  161. @Jason K.
    @Jim Don Bob

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @F0337, @jon

    Speak for yourself. Tiny Duck is a great satirist. He is too on the nose too often to be expressing real beliefs. That half of you don’t get that it is satire of the left is naught more than Poe’s law in action.

    And Starship Troopers was supposed to be a send-up of fascist tendencies, didn’t make the movie any easier to watch.

  162. @tanabear
    @Song For the Deaf


    Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.
     
    Treadmills, ellipticals, and other machine based equipment are all fake exercises. It is the fitness industry version of virtue signaling. It makes you feel like your doing something important when all you're really doing is wasting time accomplishing nothing. So people that do fake exercises and listen to fake news tend to be liberal. So no surprise there.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack Hanson

    So only weight lifting counts?

    • Replies: @tanabear
    @El Dato


    So only weight lifting counts?
     
    Lift heavy weights(deadlifts) or carry heavy weights(farmer walks).
  163. @jon
    @Carbon blob


    (picture of Paul Krugman in bike shorts and his Trumpy Cat t-shirt)

     

    Fortunately, the internet does not forget:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CavIJ3DW4AA4Z-f.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    Next you will be posting some Michael Moore.

  164. @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods


    Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another,
     
    What?

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only.
     
    No.

    I read Heartiste too sometimes, he's good for keeping you from getting too polyannish about the fairer sex, but you can't swallow what he says uncritically.

    Listen: speaking as a former misogynist (who still feels twinges of it sometimes), and one who can spot it in others (like yourself), let me point something out. I'm not going to moralize about misogyny like feminists do, saying it's harmful to women, because neither of us really cares about that. It's safe to say there are different kinds of misogyny, the kind that alphas have and the kinds that others have. I'm going to talk about the latter. I speak from personal experience, you can tell me whether yours differs.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I've never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially. Let's face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works. The inability to do so is bad for a man's self-esteem.
    More to the point, I've never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn't just resent women, he's uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women. Being around those men reinforces his low self-estimate. Whether you're consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well. And that's something that never gets brought up, either by the manosphere or the feminists. Roissy's smart and he's usually right (see, I'm mostly on his side). But does he strike you as the type who's confident around other men?

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I'm one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it's bad for you. It reinforces the misery. It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all. When you're done reading blogs like Heartiste or The Rational Male, on the one hand you're happy to have your Schopenhauerian worldview confirmed, but otoh it's a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It's not in your interest to have that worldview.

    That's my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it's going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @L Woods

    Good if imprecise advice. Roissy is no misogynist and one can adopt the non-evil parts of his worldview without becoming one oneself. In fact it works better if you don’t.

    • Agree: Song For the Deaf
  165. L Woods says:
    @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods


    Social status essentially requires being a cuck and/or a time machine to one degree or another,
     
    What?

    The misogyny bit is a canard. Increased experience (even “success”) with women does not improve one’s opinion of them. As Heartiste/Roissy noted long ago: the only thing more dispiriting than failure is success. Personally, I think the only way to avoid “misogyny” absent willful ignorance (very common) is to live your life on one side of the fence only.
     
    No.

    I read Heartiste too sometimes, he's good for keeping you from getting too polyannish about the fairer sex, but you can't swallow what he says uncritically.

    Listen: speaking as a former misogynist (who still feels twinges of it sometimes), and one who can spot it in others (like yourself), let me point something out. I'm not going to moralize about misogyny like feminists do, saying it's harmful to women, because neither of us really cares about that. It's safe to say there are different kinds of misogyny, the kind that alphas have and the kinds that others have. I'm going to talk about the latter. I speak from personal experience, you can tell me whether yours differs.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I've never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially. Let's face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works. The inability to do so is bad for a man's self-esteem.
    More to the point, I've never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn't just resent women, he's uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women. Being around those men reinforces his low self-estimate. Whether you're consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well. And that's something that never gets brought up, either by the manosphere or the feminists. Roissy's smart and he's usually right (see, I'm mostly on his side). But does he strike you as the type who's confident around other men?

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I'm one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it's bad for you. It reinforces the misery. It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all. When you're done reading blogs like Heartiste or The Rational Male, on the one hand you're happy to have your Schopenhauerian worldview confirmed, but otoh it's a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It's not in your interest to have that worldview.

    That's my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it's going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @L Woods

    What?

    I only meant that survival in polite society necessitates the recitation of PC lies and various other B.S. And, separately, that most of the early status games that set the tone for the rest of one’s life (high school, undergrad) have already been lost by most of those drawn to the manosphere; hence, you’d need a time machine to win them.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially.

    True enough.

    Let’s face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works.

    Wishful thinking in the #metoo/no fault divorce era. Pretty sure it’s also Heartiste (with whom I do not agree uncritically) who touts the (stupid) idea that one can ‘alpha’ one’s way through these hazards.

    More to the point, I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn’t just resent women, he’s uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women.

    True enough. I’m probably worse with other men than with women at this point, actually.

    Whether you’re consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well.

    I’m conscious of it.

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I’m one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it’s bad for you. It reinforces the misery.

    Probably true.

    but otoh it’s a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It’s not in your interest to have that worldview.

    Almost certainly true.

    It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all.

    And that’s where I leave the reservation. To actually like women as a whole (not merely be sexually attracted to them or paternalistic towards them) in some essential sense requires lying to oneself as to their nature. It’s taking cues from your little head over your big one. I can’t, on a fundamental level, truly internalize a lie as the price of relating to other males. Clearly, I can’t actually relate to them — I can only pretend to relate to them and attempt to fool myself into relating to them. And why should I want to? They’re fools and intellectual cowards by and large, two of the qualities which I find most repellent on this Earth. They spare themselves a great deal of pain by embracing lies — for this reason as much as any I do indeed resent them.

    That’s my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it’s going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.

    I am beginning to scrape my health back together after years of debauchery for this reason.

    • Replies: @Song For the Deaf
    @L Woods


    And that’s where I leave the reservation. To actually like women as a whole (not merely be sexually attracted to them or paternalistic towards them) in some essential sense requires lying to oneself as to their nature.
     
    No, it doesn't. I don't know of a single man who doesn't have some ambivalence towards women, no matter how much they love them. Women are just as ambivalent about us and it's equally justified. In any case, there's no need to make it a binary choice between gullibility and a lonely refusal to be deceived about their nature. Thinking that way is just an exercise in self-marginalization.

    It’s taking cues from your little head over your big one. I can’t, on a fundamental level, truly internalize a lie as the price of relating to other males. Clearly, I can’t actually relate to them — I can only pretend to relate to them and attempt to fool myself into relating to them. And why should I want to? They’re fools and intellectual cowards by and large, two of the qualities which I find most repellent on this Earth. They spare themselves a great deal of pain by embracing lies — for this reason as much as any I do indeed resent them.

     

    This is all just ego defense stuff, anyone who reads it can see it for the insecurity that it is. I'm not knocking you, because again, I've been there, but it's not doing you any favors to think like that.

    I am beginning to scrape my health back together after years of debauchery for this reason.
     
    *thumbs up*
  166. @Antlitz Grollheim
    @LondonBob

    I wasn't born yet, but my sense is that brand of yuppie right-wing status-symbol consumerism may have merited a lot of the criticism and satire it inspired.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You’ve imbibed your propaganda well. That was happening then, but that was a world away from what those who supported them understood them to be about. That includes the leaders of the revolutions in Eastern Europe.

    And I was there for those, so don’t tell me they were just so much U.S. imperialism.

  167. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Tiny Duck

    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

    Speaking of an emotional support animal, what would yours be?

    I think mine would look like this:

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Joe Schmoe

    That actually looks almost exactly like my dog! He is my comfort animal.

    His predecessors too. It's been German Shepherds all the way, the most loyal, trainable buddies and protectors.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Joe Schmoe

    Here’s mine.

  168. @b.t.o
    1. Lifting weights consistently for a few months is to realize that you can easily make your life much much better with the tiniest bit of research and discipline in the weight room.

    2. Subsequently you will be in a position to observe that 85% of the population will go to any length to avoid taking responsibility for their fitness and would rather be slobs and complain.

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    -------------

    I imagine the above experience may have a carryover effect as to how you observe other issues in society.



    Also if you are younger and accidentally lift yourself into the top 5-10% of men in your area, you are about to get a sexy lesson in the more Darwinian aspects of sexual behaviour of the human female. If the seduction guys are any indication this is a one way ave to badthink in other areas.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Joe Schmoe

    3. These same folks, without exception, will consider themselves experts on diet, exercise and fitness, and will take any opportunity to lecture you, fit person, on what you are wrong about. The fitter you are, the more people will find reasons to insist that you are really the unhealthy one.

    this is an interesting observation. I used to be the younger fitter person in my group of friends before I had some health issues that slowed me down. Back then they would talk to me about fitness etc., but I didn’t pay it much mind because I figured I was okay. Now I could use some encouragement and advice,… crickets. However, one of my really overweight friends did tell me that I was the only friend who never tried to tell her how to lose weight. I replied that I had no idea how to lose weight because I had never done it myself, so of course, I couldn’t tell someone how to do it.

  169. @Steve Sailer
    @unpc downunder

    It would be quite feasible to offer college students at a research university free personal training, with randomly assigned weight training vs. aerobic training. See how they answer a political questionnaire at the beginning and the end.

    This experiment would be expensive to pay for the personal trainers, but otherwise seems really feasible.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    The cheap way to do it is just to give the questionaire/survey to the students at beginning and end of any of the PE type classes that they are required to take in college.

  170. @VivaLaMigra
    Let's parse this piece of [I use the term loosely!] "journalism, shall we: "someone had posted a picture of themselves..."

    Breaking it down into relevant syllables, we have "Someone [singular] had posted a picture of themselves [plural relative pronoun].

    So, the observer knows about the 'picture' - an image of the writer's subject. The image contained one individual. This keen observer was presumably NOT able to determine the sex [gender] of said individual, so resorted to a grammatically incorrect, but attempted gender neutral plural pronoun, "themselves." Actually, I'm surprised that the PC pronoun 'themself" hasn't been coined already. Well, I guess I just did.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Actually, I’m surprised that the PC pronoun ‘themself” hasn’t been coined already.

    Since “they” has gone full retard, how about “theirself”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Joe Schmoe

    Theyself

  171. @Joe Schmoe
    @VivaLaMigra


    Actually, I’m surprised that the PC pronoun ‘themself” hasn’t been coined already.
     
    Since "they" has gone full retard, how about "theirself"





    '

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Theyself

  172. I read Heartiste too sometimes, he’s good for keeping you from getting too polyannish about the fairer sex, but you can’t swallow what he says uncritically.

    I grew up listening to my mom and grandma talk and I could swear Heartiste is the both of them wrapped together and reincarnated. He sounds exactly like them.

    • LOL: Desiderius
  173. @Joe Schmoe
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

     

    Speaking of an emotional support animal, what would yours be?

    I think mine would look like this:

    https://sasscer.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/image16.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That actually looks almost exactly like my dog! He is my comfort animal.

    His predecessors too. It’s been German Shepherds all the way, the most loyal, trainable buddies and protectors.

  174. @stillCARealist
    @Chrisnonymous

    You mean they felt your biceps? I've done that to guys as a friendly opener and they always responded with grins. It doesn't mean she wants you, just that she admires your dedication to working out.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You mean they felt your biceps?

    Happened to me too. In my case, the ladies were dripping wet.

    They were all sweaty, having just disgorged from the hot yoga studio or whatnot.

  175. @Joe Schmoe
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Our emotional support animal is back. We can fly like Christine Blasey Ford now.

     

    Speaking of an emotional support animal, what would yours be?

    I think mine would look like this:

    https://sasscer.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/image16.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  176. @F0337
    @J.Ross


    In fairness Trudeau isn’t laughing at dead Asians
     
    Right, but at the same time there is a certain gallows-humor satisfaction at reading crime reports and realizing that with the constant flood of third-worlders into our countries the odds of them offing one another increase dramatically.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I regard a “Syrian refugee” and a Shen as completely different priorities.

  177. @sb
    @Steve Sailer

    There seems a tradition of Americans feeling that they must have a clear opinion on any topic under the sun regardless of whether they know or care in any way about the topic.

    Maybe something to do with American schooling where everyone is expected and encouraged to have a view and all views are given equal weight no matter how dumb/ignorant/irrelevant

    Non Americans fnd this exasperating

    Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim, @Forbes, @J.Ross

    Non-Americans aren’t allowed to have opinions. If you put forward perfectly correct information, it could go very badly for you. And everybody would ask, why the hell did he open his mouth in the first place? The Italians say, “the man who plays alone bothers no one.”
    That’s because they don’t have trumpets.

  178. @L Woods
    @Song For the Deaf


    What?
     
    I only meant that survival in polite society necessitates the recitation of PC lies and various other B.S. And, separately, that most of the early status games that set the tone for the rest of one's life (high school, undergrad) have already been lost by most of those drawn to the manosphere; hence, you'd need a time machine to win them.

    The first thing to consider about misogyny is that the flipside of it is self-loathing. I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist who was happy with himself socially.
     
    True enough.

    Let’s face it: a strong, savvy man can handle Woman and all her works.
     
    Wishful thinking in the #metoo/no fault divorce era. Pretty sure it's also Heartiste (with whom I do not agree uncritically) who touts the (stupid) idea that one can 'alpha' one's way through these hazards.

    More to the point, I’ve never met an intellectual misogynist type who was good with other men. The intellectual misogynist doesn’t just resent women, he’s uncomfortable around men, especially those who are good with women.
     
    True enough. I'm probably worse with other men than with women at this point, actually.

    Whether you’re consciously aware of it or not, you resent other men as well.

     

    I'm conscious of it.

    This is why I say, Drop the Misogyny. Not because I’m one of these feminists asking you to do something to benefit women, but because it’s bad for you. It reinforces the misery.
     
    Probably true.

    but otoh it’s a bitter worldview that makes you unhappy to have it. It’s not in your interest to have that worldview.
     
    Almost certainly true.

    It reinforces the disconnect you have from other men, most of whom like women, flaws and all.
     
    And that's where I leave the reservation. To actually like women as a whole (not merely be sexually attracted to them or paternalistic towards them) in some essential sense requires lying to oneself as to their nature. It's taking cues from your little head over your big one. I can't, on a fundamental level, truly internalize a lie as the price of relating to other males. Clearly, I can't actually relate to them -- I can only pretend to relate to them and attempt to fool myself into relating to them. And why should I want to? They're fools and intellectual cowards by and large, two of the qualities which I find most repellent on this Earth. They spare themselves a great deal of pain by embracing lies -- for this reason as much as any I do indeed resent them.

    That’s my long-winded way of explaining how lifting weights will help do away with your misogyny. Not because it’s going to make you fit, which will make you more attractive to the opposite sex, but because it will make you more confident around other men.
     
    I am beginning to scrape my health back together after years of debauchery for this reason.

    Replies: @Song For the Deaf

    And that’s where I leave the reservation. To actually like women as a whole (not merely be sexually attracted to them or paternalistic towards them) in some essential sense requires lying to oneself as to their nature.

    No, it doesn’t. I don’t know of a single man who doesn’t have some ambivalence towards women, no matter how much they love them. Women are just as ambivalent about us and it’s equally justified. In any case, there’s no need to make it a binary choice between gullibility and a lonely refusal to be deceived about their nature. Thinking that way is just an exercise in self-marginalization.

    It’s taking cues from your little head over your big one. I can’t, on a fundamental level, truly internalize a lie as the price of relating to other males. Clearly, I can’t actually relate to them — I can only pretend to relate to them and attempt to fool myself into relating to them. And why should I want to? They’re fools and intellectual cowards by and large, two of the qualities which I find most repellent on this Earth. They spare themselves a great deal of pain by embracing lies — for this reason as much as any I do indeed resent them.

    This is all just ego defense stuff, anyone who reads it can see it for the insecurity that it is. I’m not knocking you, because again, I’ve been there, but it’s not doing you any favors to think like that.

    I am beginning to scrape my health back together after years of debauchery for this reason.

    *thumbs up*

  179. @tanabear
    @Song For the Deaf


    Most of the people using the machines are female, old people, and newbs.
     
    Treadmills, ellipticals, and other machine based equipment are all fake exercises. It is the fitness industry version of virtue signaling. It makes you feel like your doing something important when all you're really doing is wasting time accomplishing nothing. So people that do fake exercises and listen to fake news tend to be liberal. So no surprise there.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack Hanson

    Lmao broscience has arrived.

  180. @Clyde
    @anon


    I’m calling it. The Ford investigation will blow up her so called credibility. As it played out, the allegations were devoid of fact. The FBI doesn’t care how she felt, which was her entire narrative.
     
    I am not so confident. You have two wild cards. Mark Judge and Lawyer Avenatti, who is a very fame hungry shark and is brainstorming at this very moment. Flaky Mark Judge is highly vulnerable. I can only hope that his lawyer is very good and in control.
    Jeff Flake has given Avenatti a wide opening for this coming week.

    Replies: @Liljoe

    Tend to agree, as we have seen the FBI has become nothing more than the Gestapo for the Dems. The only thing that tempers my pessimism at this point however is the President’s comfort in proceeding with the investigation. With luck the FBI may have enough straight arrows to actually investigate fairly, including an investigation into the accusers background and financial windfall received upon going public with the assault charge.

  181. earlier on iSteve:
    ‘Cass Sunstein: “Could Bowling Leagues and the PTA Breed Nazis?”‘ (www.unz.com/isteve/sunstein-could-bowling-leagues-and-pta/)

  182. @El Dato
    @tanabear

    So only weight lifting counts?

    Replies: @tanabear

    So only weight lifting counts?

    Lift heavy weights(deadlifts) or carry heavy weights(farmer walks).

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