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From The Guardian:

Muslims and LGBTQ people should stand together, not fight each other

Owen Jones
Don’t let the Birmingham school protests perpetuate divisions when a common enemy – the far right – is once again looming

Thu 11 Apr 2019

Watching angry protesters waving placards outside a Birmingham primary school brought it all back for Khakan Qureshi. A softly spoken gay Muslim in his early 40s, he vividly remembers Margaret Thatcher denouncing the fact that children were being taught they “have an inalienable right to be gay” and introducing section 28 – the toxic product of Tory homophobia and a hysterical media moral panic – to prevent the so-called promotion of homosexuality in schools. Now, in 2019, picketers – mostly, but not exclusively, from a Muslim background – are demanding that schools cease their LGBTQ-inclusive education. “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,” he told me. “I just think that children should be allowed to be who they are, let us be who we are, let Muslims be who they are.”

Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.

The damage inflicted on LGBTQ people was incalculable: hearing homophobic language casually thrown around in the playground, absorbing the homophobia peddled by much of the media, fearful of rejection from family and friends, and no one to tell you you’re not alone, that there’s nothing wrong with you. …

The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. … But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …

• Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist

 
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  1. Yeah, Gays and Muslim fundamentalists are natural allies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Who's the Butch and who's the Bitch?

  2. The gays want to join the Muslims but the Muslims don’t want to join the gays. Who’s a thunk? Maybe the attraction is all those Muslim little boys? Gay men can’t have children but Muslim women can.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Alden

    In Muslim cultures, homosexual relationships are very common among young unmarried men. Many men continue to have gay encounters even after getting married. There's actually wide tolerance of this behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    , @Desiderius
    @Alden

    The vast majority of gay men can have children just fine. If they would follow traditional Christian teaching their kids can even have a mom instead of a step-dad.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

  3. As you read this article, you can smell hot oil as the Guardian’s Narrative Maintenance Processing Unit whines in overload.

    This paragraph is a whirlpool of WokeLogic:

    The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. That is certainly the battle cry of ever more emboldened Islamophobes, who never talk of LGBTQ rights except when it becomes convenient artillery in their bigoted war on Muslims. If you only talk of LGBTQ rights to attack Muslims then you do not care about those rights: and for those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims, there is a perverse irony at work. In any case, we are not talking about two discrete groups: some Muslims are gay or trans, and vice versa. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

    ‘In any case . . .’ and ‘But in truth . . .’ are being abused in a way innocent throwaway phrases should never be asked to endure.

    But hey, at least the Guardian managed to use the correct form of ‘discrete’.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    . . . those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims . . .
     
    London is notorious for its roving mobs of violent "homophobic far-right activists." Just like Chicago (aka "MAGA Country") is full of homophobic gangs of bleach wielding Trump supporters.

    I guess the U.K. is now importing KKKRAZY Glue from the U.S.

    And by the way, if Muslims are for banning gay studies from the schools for fundamentalist religious reason, how come that doesn't make them "far right?"

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Meretricious

    , @Anonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ummmm.....I don't think that 'hot oil' is the appropriate turn of phrase here.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I never invoke sodomite rights, and I only defend Muslims when they target sodomites. Vigorous hatred of sodomites is actually the one redeeming aspect of their culture, and it is hateful to want to change it. Check mate, bigot.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @AnotherDad
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.
     
    Well amid all the lies, one tiny little streak of truth sneaks in.

    Never allies and not the same experiences, but indeed they have the same enemy: the normal, healthy Britons who wanttheir civilization to continue in the land their ancestors have had for thousands of years.
  4. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.

    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as “GRIDS” or “Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome”, because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term “A.I.D.” (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms “gay cancer” and “gay plague” were also used.[2][3][4]

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    What is "rimming"?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Vox Australis, @Almost Missouri, @Stebbing Heuer

    , @Matra
    @Anon

    AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper

    I'm not even going to ask.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    BBC TV science fiction comedy 'Red Dwarf' had a character named 'Rimmer' - which is actually an old Lancashire surname - for obvious comedic value.

    Likewise that 1968 Peter Cook opus ' The Rise of Michael Rimmer', which was rather tartly aimed at David Frost, whom Cook also dubbed 'The Bubonic Plagiarist'.

    Likely, back in the day, the vast majority of the audience never quite got the joke.

    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Anon

    Erm, no. "Rimming" (which is, to put it bluntly, eating ass) has zero risk of HIV transmission, whereas anal sex has the highest risk. The majority of modern day HIV diagnoses in Western countries come from unprotected anal sex, for the same reason teenage pregnancies are a thing: people do stupid things when they're horny.

    Also, 'GRIDS' is completely outdated since nowadays the majority of people with HIV are heterosexual (thanks, Africa!).

    , @Smithsonian
    @Anon

    Really? I always thought that AIDS stood for Arse Injected Death Sentence.

    The more you know....

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    Stop.

    Besides being flat out wrong, the bottom line is simple: homosexual un-natural acts spread disease. This was true involving all the other venereal diseases before HIV/AIDS and will still be true if medical science comes up with some magic bullet cure for it.

    There's a place nature has designed to accomodate an engorged penis--God be praised!
  5. The obvious solution is for homosexuals promptly to sign on to implementation of the Sharia law agenda of Muslims.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Paul


    The obvious solution is for homosexuals promptly to sign on to implementation of the Sharia law agenda of Muslims.
     
    Or gays could convert to Islam, then they would have to throw themselves off of towers.
  6. Yeah, the UK really needs to watch out for those far right wing white folk. Remember when they bombed the Tube, decapitated a British soldier right in the street, and spent decades abusing thousands of vulnerable young girls?

    They is dangerous, I tell ya.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Wilkey

    Violent right-wing Whites join the military. They end up getting sent overseas to fight for ZOG.

    When they get bsck home, they have the honor of seeing their neighborhoods enriched with endless diversity.

    They're no threat to anyone in power.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    , @J.Ross
    @Wilkey

    I'm hearing that Rotherham convictions are starting to become public and they got community service, but I don't have a real source yet. The thing is, how could that not be the case? Surely that's how it'll be.

  7. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …

    Yes, what with the ‘dark-eyed boys’ awaiting the devout Muslim in Paradise…

    I saw the movie Owen Jones is imagining:

  8. Anon[155] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, I don’t know why modern Muslims are so homophobic. The history of homosexuality in the Islamic world is very rich. Some important characters in Islamic history were homos.

    My favorite Muslim sodomite is Mehmet, the conqueror of Constantinople. His biography is fascinating, because it also involves Vlad Dracula.

    Mehmet was an insatiable sodomite, and fell in love with Dracula’s brother, Radu.

    Unfortunately, unlike nowadays, homophobia was very strong among all Christian societies at the time. Therefore, some say that Dracula was obsessed with impaling the Ottomans, to try to recover some of the family lost honor, since Mehmet loved to impale Radu.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Anon

    Unfortunately?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Joe Stalin
    @Anon

    Interesting. I remember the old war movie "Play Dirty" had two overtly homo Arab characters.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPBf7dk8hA

  9. I’m sure this coalition will work out just great, but it makes me wonder where all the great anti-Trump music is at.

    Maybe I’m just missing it, but I recall lots of anti-Thatcher music that I really enjoyed.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1556665/margaret-thatcher-the-rise-fall-of-the-great-british-pop-protest-song.

    UB40, Specials, English Beat, Blow Monkeys, etc.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @wren

    Great pop music became unavailable sometime during the early to mid 90s, after grunge and hip-hop became entrenched musical genres.

  10. @The Last Real Calvinist
    As you read this article, you can smell hot oil as the Guardian's Narrative Maintenance Processing Unit whines in overload.

    This paragraph is a whirlpool of WokeLogic:


    The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. That is certainly the battle cry of ever more emboldened Islamophobes, who never talk of LGBTQ rights except when it becomes convenient artillery in their bigoted war on Muslims. If you only talk of LGBTQ rights to attack Muslims then you do not care about those rights: and for those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims, there is a perverse irony at work. In any case, we are not talking about two discrete groups: some Muslims are gay or trans, and vice versa. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

     

    'In any case . . .' and 'But in truth . . .' are being abused in a way innocent throwaway phrases should never be asked to endure.

    But hey, at least the Guardian managed to use the correct form of 'discrete'.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    . . . those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims . . .

    London is notorious for its roving mobs of violent “homophobic far-right activists.” Just like Chicago (aka “MAGA Country”) is full of homophobic gangs of bleach wielding Trump supporters.

    I guess the U.K. is now importing KKKRAZY Glue from the U.S.

    And by the way, if Muslims are for banning gay studies from the schools for fundamentalist religious reason, how come that doesn’t make them “far right?”

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Hypnotoad666

    Oh sure, you make some good points, but we're all forgetting about the 'perverse irony at work', aren't we?

    , @Meretricious
    @Hypnotoad666

    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman

  11. gay Muslim

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Roderick Spode

    bored identity strongly believes that the proper scientific term for that highly praised intersectional double plus good whammy is homosexislamist.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  12. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Yeah, Gays and Muslim fundamentalists are natural allies.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Who’s the Butch and who’s the Bitch?

  13. Anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    As you read this article, you can smell hot oil as the Guardian's Narrative Maintenance Processing Unit whines in overload.

    This paragraph is a whirlpool of WokeLogic:


    The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. That is certainly the battle cry of ever more emboldened Islamophobes, who never talk of LGBTQ rights except when it becomes convenient artillery in their bigoted war on Muslims. If you only talk of LGBTQ rights to attack Muslims then you do not care about those rights: and for those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims, there is a perverse irony at work. In any case, we are not talking about two discrete groups: some Muslims are gay or trans, and vice versa. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

     

    'In any case . . .' and 'But in truth . . .' are being abused in a way innocent throwaway phrases should never be asked to endure.

    But hey, at least the Guardian managed to use the correct form of 'discrete'.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    Ummmm…..I don’t think that ‘hot oil’ is the appropriate turn of phrase here.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Anonymous

    How 'bout "burning rubber"...

  14. @Hypnotoad666
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    . . . those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims . . .
     
    London is notorious for its roving mobs of violent "homophobic far-right activists." Just like Chicago (aka "MAGA Country") is full of homophobic gangs of bleach wielding Trump supporters.

    I guess the U.K. is now importing KKKRAZY Glue from the U.S.

    And by the way, if Muslims are for banning gay studies from the schools for fundamentalist religious reason, how come that doesn't make them "far right?"

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Meretricious

    Oh sure, you make some good points, but we’re all forgetting about the ‘perverse irony at work’, aren’t we?

  15. @Hypnotoad666
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    . . . those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims . . .
     
    London is notorious for its roving mobs of violent "homophobic far-right activists." Just like Chicago (aka "MAGA Country") is full of homophobic gangs of bleach wielding Trump supporters.

    I guess the U.K. is now importing KKKRAZY Glue from the U.S.

    And by the way, if Muslims are for banning gay studies from the schools for fundamentalist religious reason, how come that doesn't make them "far right?"

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Meretricious

    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Meretricious


    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

     

    You understand: we have to save them all.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Meretricious

    We have to bugger them over here, so that they don't bugger us over there.

    - G-Dub

  16. @Meretricious
    @Hypnotoad666

    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman

    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

    You understand: we have to save them all.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Could we save them using the traditional method of saving Vietnamese villages?

  17. except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    But it objectively is.

    The damage inflicted on LGBTQ people was incalculable: hearing homophobic language casually thrown around in the playground, absorbing the homophobia peddled by much of the media, fearful of rejection from family and friends, and no one to tell you you’re not alone, that there’s nothing wrong with you

    How did the damage of hearing children call each other ‘gay’ compared to the damage of being thrown off a roof or stoned?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @DFH

    Apparently LBGTQWERTY never outgrow the playground--or discover their sexual identity at the age where the playground is relevant. Both are an absurdity. (I recall the playground through 4th grade.)

    , @Desiderius
    @DFH

    anti-bullying : social harmony :: anti-vaxxing : public health

  18. I used to see Jones kicking around north-east London all the time. He’s not shy of getting out and having a drink. As a horny-handed son of northern toil and champion of workers’ rights his favourite restaurant seems to be Frederick’s in Islington: https://fredericks.co.uk/

    North London does have a problem with roving gangs of violent homophobic men, and I imagine Jones was subjected to this coming out of his favourite gay club the Dalston Superstore like these poor fellows were: https://attitude.co.uk/article/nine-men-jailed-for-homophobic-acid-attack-near-dalston-superstore-in-london-1/20084/

    The problem with Jones is this (and it is a pretty big problem): he sort of has the sinister psychological profile of a Beria. He almost certainly has a list (Andrew Neil is probably at the top) of people he is going to sort out once Magic Grandpa Corbyn takes his rightful place as Prime Commissar.

    Then Owen is going to go to work.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Those guys beating on the gays look and have names like Turks (possibly the odd Albanian too).

    Owen wants them to attack straight white people, the real enemy.

    Replies: @DFH

    , @Cowboy shaw
    @Cowboy Shaw

    The super hip area of Dalston is heavily Turkish.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Cowboy Shaw

    So you mean he's just another Commie? The whole "gay" thing is just another demonstration of how once someone starts down the road of non-conformity, there's just no end in sight.

    Wait, I know, maybe he's short. Perhaps it wasn't "gay-shaming", but "short-shaming" that he was really enduring.

    When I think back to my own school years, I recall no homophobic taunting on the playground until high school. and then, it was always directed towards a few of the boys who were truly gay (and not trying to hide anything). There were a few other boys who came out after HS who had never exhibited any tendencies, and AFAIK endured no such slights.

    No female was ever the recipient of any such taunts.

  19. @Wilkey
    Yeah, the UK really needs to watch out for those far right wing white folk. Remember when they bombed the Tube, decapitated a British soldier right in the street, and spent decades abusing thousands of vulnerable young girls?

    They is dangerous, I tell ya.

    Replies: @Anon, @J.Ross

    Violent right-wing Whites join the military. They end up getting sent overseas to fight for ZOG.

    When they get bsck home, they have the honor of seeing their neighborhoods enriched with endless diversity.

    They’re no threat to anyone in power.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Anon


    When they get back home

     

    IF they get back home.
  20. @Alden
    The gays want to join the Muslims but the Muslims don’t want to join the gays. Who’s a thunk? Maybe the attraction is all those Muslim little boys? Gay men can’t have children but Muslim women can.

    Replies: @Anon, @Desiderius

    In Muslim cultures, homosexual relationships are very common among young unmarried men. Many men continue to have gay encounters even after getting married. There’s actually wide tolerance of this behavior.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Correct, but I think they leave out all the "bar", "flaming" and "parade" parts.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Yeah, there's a lot of homosexuality is Muslim culture. I gather that what appears to modern Westerners as cognitive dissonance or hypocrisy—condemning homosexuality theologically while engaging in it by custom—has to do with the distinction between penetrating and being penetrated, the former not being considered "homo" by Muslims while the role of the latter is often supplied by some kind underclass, eg., servants/slaves, children (bacha bazis), feminine-/modern-style homosexuals, etc.

    Naturally, the establishment we're-all-equal-kumbaya media has every interest in obscuring these distinctions as much as possible.

    Replies: @Jack D

  21. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.

    What is “rimming”?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Are you sure you want to know?

    , @Vox Australis
    @Anonymous

    Rimming is the term for oral-anal sex, it was common in gay bars and saunas (so I read in the scientific literature on the AIDS epidemic).

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Please don't ask this. I don't know and want to keep it that way, while I read the iSteve comments.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @Anonymous

    Seriously, do you really want to know?

    If so, Google is your friend. Don't ask here.

  22. @Roderick Spode

    gay Muslim
     

    Replies: @bored identity

    bored identity strongly believes that the proper scientific term for that highly praised intersectional double plus good whammy is homosexislamist.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @bored identity

    "homosexlamist", shurely?

  23. @Cowboy Shaw
    I used to see Jones kicking around north-east London all the time. He's not shy of getting out and having a drink. As a horny-handed son of northern toil and champion of workers' rights his favourite restaurant seems to be Frederick's in Islington: https://fredericks.co.uk/

    North London does have a problem with roving gangs of violent homophobic men, and I imagine Jones was subjected to this coming out of his favourite gay club the Dalston Superstore like these poor fellows were: https://attitude.co.uk/article/nine-men-jailed-for-homophobic-acid-attack-near-dalston-superstore-in-london-1/20084/

    The problem with Jones is this (and it is a pretty big problem): he sort of has the sinister psychological profile of a Beria. He almost certainly has a list (Andrew Neil is probably at the top) of people he is going to sort out once Magic Grandpa Corbyn takes his rightful place as Prime Commissar.

    Then Owen is going to go to work.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Cowboy shaw, @stillCARealist

    Those guys beating on the gays look and have names like Turks (possibly the odd Albanian too).

    Owen wants them to attack straight white people, the real enemy.

    • Replies: @DFH
    @YetAnotherAnon

    One of the guys is actually called 'Erdogan'

  24. “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,”

    Dude should stop the whining. 80s UK wasn’t that bad. Sure beats being thrown off a roof.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Daniel H


    “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,”
     
    Try having older brothers for whom bullying, picking on, and mockery is an amateur sport, and doesn't stop merely by leaving the schoolyard. Best training and education of my life, those older brothers. Taught me mental toughness, and verbal dexterity and sparring skills.

    The idea to shelter children from the rough and tumble of life is actual child abuse. Those writing about their formative experiences in this way reveal themselves as permanent adolescents. Life is full of hard lessons that teach reality instilling mental and physical characteristics enabling one to thrive and succeed--who told them it was otherwise?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  25. @wren
    I'm sure this coalition will work out just great, but it makes me wonder where all the great anti-Trump music is at.

    Maybe I'm just missing it, but I recall lots of anti-Thatcher music that I really enjoyed.

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1556665/margaret-thatcher-the-rise-fall-of-the-great-british-pop-protest-song.

    UB40, Specials, English Beat, Blow Monkeys, etc.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Great pop music became unavailable sometime during the early to mid 90s, after grunge and hip-hop became entrenched musical genres.

  26. “…we share many of the same experiences and enemies”.
    Getting beat up by fundamentalist Moslems?

  27. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @bored identity
    @Roderick Spode

    bored identity strongly believes that the proper scientific term for that highly praised intersectional double plus good whammy is homosexislamist.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “homosexlamist”, shurely?

  28. @Anon
    @Alden

    In Muslim cultures, homosexual relationships are very common among young unmarried men. Many men continue to have gay encounters even after getting married. There's actually wide tolerance of this behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Correct, but I think they leave out all the “bar”, “flaming” and “parade” parts.

  29. @Cowboy Shaw
    I used to see Jones kicking around north-east London all the time. He's not shy of getting out and having a drink. As a horny-handed son of northern toil and champion of workers' rights his favourite restaurant seems to be Frederick's in Islington: https://fredericks.co.uk/

    North London does have a problem with roving gangs of violent homophobic men, and I imagine Jones was subjected to this coming out of his favourite gay club the Dalston Superstore like these poor fellows were: https://attitude.co.uk/article/nine-men-jailed-for-homophobic-acid-attack-near-dalston-superstore-in-london-1/20084/

    The problem with Jones is this (and it is a pretty big problem): he sort of has the sinister psychological profile of a Beria. He almost certainly has a list (Andrew Neil is probably at the top) of people he is going to sort out once Magic Grandpa Corbyn takes his rightful place as Prime Commissar.

    Then Owen is going to go to work.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Cowboy shaw, @stillCARealist

    The super hip area of Dalston is heavily Turkish.

  30. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …

    “Infidel gay people, in the name of Allah, join us in friendship on the top of this high building, near the edge here.”

    Actually, Owen, if you need a lift I’ll drive you there.

  31. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    What is "rimming"?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Vox Australis, @Almost Missouri, @Stebbing Heuer

    Are you sure you want to know?

  32. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    What is "rimming"?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Vox Australis, @Almost Missouri, @Stebbing Heuer

    Rimming is the term for oral-anal sex, it was common in gay bars and saunas (so I read in the scientific literature on the AIDS epidemic).

  33. The homo and the Muslim should be friends
    Oh, the homo and the Muslim should be friends
    The homo likes to suck a bag,
    The Muslim likes to stone a fag,
    But that’s no reason why ………………………………….. Well, never mind.

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @the one they call Desanex

    https://youtu.be/biNrKEgg8jg

  34. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Those guys beating on the gays look and have names like Turks (possibly the odd Albanian too).

    Owen wants them to attack straight white people, the real enemy.

    Replies: @DFH

    One of the guys is actually called ‘Erdogan’

  35. Brunei has just introduced the death penalty for homosexuality:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47769964

  36. Back in ‘reality’, teaching of sodomy is advanced in state schools by a Tory government led by its second woman premiere. Mrs Thatcher voted for legalizing homosexual acts between adults in nineteen sixty-seven. Tory premier Edward Heath was likely the first closeted gay PM of the modern age.

  37. David Cameron, the previous p.m.., insisted on introducing fully equivalent gay marriage over objections of some quarters of the Tories. Labour p.m. Blair never dared. The Scottish Tory party has Ruth Davison, an open lesbian in a gay relationship, as leaderette.

  38. @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper

    I’m not even going to ask.

  39. @The Last Real Calvinist
    As you read this article, you can smell hot oil as the Guardian's Narrative Maintenance Processing Unit whines in overload.

    This paragraph is a whirlpool of WokeLogic:


    The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. That is certainly the battle cry of ever more emboldened Islamophobes, who never talk of LGBTQ rights except when it becomes convenient artillery in their bigoted war on Muslims. If you only talk of LGBTQ rights to attack Muslims then you do not care about those rights: and for those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims, there is a perverse irony at work. In any case, we are not talking about two discrete groups: some Muslims are gay or trans, and vice versa. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

     

    'In any case . . .' and 'But in truth . . .' are being abused in a way innocent throwaway phrases should never be asked to endure.

    But hey, at least the Guardian managed to use the correct form of 'discrete'.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    I never invoke sodomite rights, and I only defend Muslims when they target sodomites. Vigorous hatred of sodomites is actually the one redeeming aspect of their culture, and it is hateful to want to change it. Check mate, bigot.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Gabe Ruth


    I only defend Muslims when they target sodomites. Vigorous hatred of sodomites is actually the one redeeming aspect of their culture, and it is hateful to want to change it.
     
    Their detestation of feminism is another positive aspect of their culture. It would also be hateful and bigoted to want to change that.
  40. Just more of the same suicidal impulse we see every day from our betters. This is more direct than the usual. Next will be: playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets in a six shot gun is fun and good for the Whatever community. I really truly don’t care about the attempt at suicide by the “elite” of the West but they are trying to drag us along.

  41. @Alden
    The gays want to join the Muslims but the Muslims don’t want to join the gays. Who’s a thunk? Maybe the attraction is all those Muslim little boys? Gay men can’t have children but Muslim women can.

    Replies: @Anon, @Desiderius

    The vast majority of gay men can have children just fine. If they would follow traditional Christian teaching their kids can even have a mom instead of a step-dad.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

  42. Fascinating how the main opposition to her tenure- the coal miner’s strike- is memory holed as class recedes to identity.

    • Replies: @DFH
    @yaqub the mad scientist

    Don't worry; we will never forget the role of homosexuals in the miners' strike

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_(2014_film)

    , @dfordoom
    @yaqub the mad scientist


    Fascinating how the main opposition to her tenure- the coal miner’s strike- is memory holed as class recedes to identity.
     
    It's almost as if the modern Left had abandoned all its actual left-wing principles and had become an apologist for capitalism.
  43. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    What is "rimming"?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Vox Australis, @Almost Missouri, @Stebbing Heuer

    Please don’t ask this. I don’t know and want to keep it that way, while I read the iSteve comments.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Almost Missouri

    It makes a first gay president named butt-edge-edge somewhat problematic.

  44. @Anon
    @Alden

    In Muslim cultures, homosexual relationships are very common among young unmarried men. Many men continue to have gay encounters even after getting married. There's actually wide tolerance of this behavior.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, there’s a lot of homosexuality is Muslim culture. I gather that what appears to modern Westerners as cognitive dissonance or hypocrisy—condemning homosexuality theologically while engaging in it by custom—has to do with the distinction between penetrating and being penetrated, the former not being considered “homo” by Muslims while the role of the latter is often supplied by some kind underclass, eg., servants/slaves, children (bacha bazis), feminine-/modern-style homosexuals, etc.

    Naturally, the establishment we’re-all-equal-kumbaya media has every interest in obscuring these distinctions as much as possible.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Look, it's a different civilization - they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of "temporary marriage" - it's a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there's female circumcision. On and on. It's just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West - each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization - death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Redneck farmer, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

  45. It’s crucial to have the same enemies.

  46. Sort of on topic, but the Israel Folau farrago in Australia shows signs of escalating:

    “Billy Vunipola has refused to unlike an Instagram post published by Israel Folau in which the Australia full-back made homophobic remarks.

    Folau said on Wednesday that “hell awaits” homosexuals in comments that have resulted in Rugby Australia stating they plan to terminate his contract.

    In an apparent show of support to his fellow Christian, Vunipola has declared in his own Instagram post that “Man was made for woman to pro create that was the goal no?”

    However, England’s No 8 added: “I don’t HATE anyone”.

    Vunipola could face disciplinary action from the Rugby Football Union in response to the anti-gay position outlined in his post.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2019/04/12/billy-vunipola-shows-support-israel-folaus-anti-gay-stance-risks/

    Rugby adminstrators really are dopey idiots. They’ve piled all in on the gay inclusivity thing and it seems not one of them stopped to think that up to 25% of their professional player base are pretty hardcore Christians. Exiled South African Afrikaaners and Pacific Islanders are pretty much the core of all the northern hemisphere professional leagues.

    It’s pretty clear that Folau is in breach of his employment contract, but I don’t think that’s going to save the Australian Rugby Union from a big backlash from the PI communities if they shitcan him. The rival Rugby League has said they won’t have him too. It all begins to look very unsightly.

    And now other players are piling in behind him. Folau and Vunipola are not insignificant players either. They are both probably top 10 ranking players in the world. Popcorn time if this escalates.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Folau is the only player on the Australian team worth cloning, for mine.

    'Power of prayer'?

    I don't understand why they don't arrange for every play to end up with him in possession.

    All over now.

    Replies: @Cowboy shaw

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Being white isn't enough to save a country. You have to be white and sane.


    I have to laugh every time I hear accusations of "white supremacism". How anybody can think a race this stupid, this corrupt, can ever be "supreme" is way above my pay grade.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  47. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    BBC TV science fiction comedy ‘Red Dwarf’ had a character named ‘Rimmer’ – which is actually an old Lancashire surname – for obvious comedic value.

    Likewise that 1968 Peter Cook opus ‘ The Rise of Michael Rimmer’, which was rather tartly aimed at David Frost, whom Cook also dubbed ‘The Bubonic Plagiarist’.

    Likely, back in the day, the vast majority of the audience never quite got the joke.

  48. I just think that children should be allowed to be who they are, let us be who we are

    A believer in nature over nurture, then?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Sbalfa

    Nature, you say?

    Right after they finish mapping the human genome, they'll uncover the gay gene.

    What's that you say? The human genome mapping was completed in 2003?

    Say any day now...

  49. @Cowboy Shaw
    I used to see Jones kicking around north-east London all the time. He's not shy of getting out and having a drink. As a horny-handed son of northern toil and champion of workers' rights his favourite restaurant seems to be Frederick's in Islington: https://fredericks.co.uk/

    North London does have a problem with roving gangs of violent homophobic men, and I imagine Jones was subjected to this coming out of his favourite gay club the Dalston Superstore like these poor fellows were: https://attitude.co.uk/article/nine-men-jailed-for-homophobic-acid-attack-near-dalston-superstore-in-london-1/20084/

    The problem with Jones is this (and it is a pretty big problem): he sort of has the sinister psychological profile of a Beria. He almost certainly has a list (Andrew Neil is probably at the top) of people he is going to sort out once Magic Grandpa Corbyn takes his rightful place as Prime Commissar.

    Then Owen is going to go to work.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Cowboy shaw, @stillCARealist

    So you mean he’s just another Commie? The whole “gay” thing is just another demonstration of how once someone starts down the road of non-conformity, there’s just no end in sight.

    Wait, I know, maybe he’s short. Perhaps it wasn’t “gay-shaming”, but “short-shaming” that he was really enduring.

    When I think back to my own school years, I recall no homophobic taunting on the playground until high school. and then, it was always directed towards a few of the boys who were truly gay (and not trying to hide anything). There were a few other boys who came out after HS who had never exhibited any tendencies, and AFAIK endured no such slights.

    No female was ever the recipient of any such taunts.

  50. @Anon
    Well, I don’t know why modern Muslims are so homophobic. The history of homosexuality in the Islamic world is very rich. Some important characters in Islamic history were homos.

    My favorite Muslim sodomite is Mehmet, the conqueror of Constantinople. His biography is fascinating, because it also involves Vlad Dracula.

    Mehmet was an insatiable sodomite, and fell in love with Dracula's brother, Radu.

    Unfortunately, unlike nowadays, homophobia was very strong among all Christian societies at the time. Therefore, some say that Dracula was obsessed with impaling the Ottomans, to try to recover some of the family lost honor, since Mehmet loved to impale Radu.

    Replies: @TWS, @Joe Stalin

    Unfortunately?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @TWS

    Yes, I'm not homophobic.

    Replies: @TWS

  51. “When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.”

    So, Nancy Reagan killed Freddie Mercury?

  52. @Meretricious
    @Hypnotoad666

    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Achmed E. Newman

    We have to bugger them over here, so that they don’t bugger us over there.

    – G-Dub

  53. As The Revolution is against whatever remains of what once was Christendom, it makes sense that gays and Jews and Mohammedans and Wiccans and Marxists and African animists and black Voodoo/Santeria practitioners and abortionist/Feminists and brown skinned Hindus and pacifist post-Christian and Liberal WASPs ally to prevent any chance that something related to the unimaginable horror of the white Christian Middle Ages might survive.

  54. @Anonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Ummmm.....I don't think that 'hot oil' is the appropriate turn of phrase here.

    Replies: @Forbes

    How ’bout “burning rubber”…

  55. @Paul
    The obvious solution is for homosexuals promptly to sign on to implementation of the Sharia law agenda of Muslims.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The obvious solution is for homosexuals promptly to sign on to implementation of the Sharia law agenda of Muslims.

    Or gays could convert to Islam, then they would have to throw themselves off of towers.

  56. @DFH

    except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.
     
    But it objectively is.


    The damage inflicted on LGBTQ people was incalculable: hearing homophobic language casually thrown around in the playground, absorbing the homophobia peddled by much of the media, fearful of rejection from family and friends, and no one to tell you you’re not alone, that there’s nothing wrong with you
     
    How did the damage of hearing children call each other 'gay' compared to the damage of being thrown off a roof or stoned?

    Replies: @Forbes, @Desiderius

    Apparently LBGTQWERTY never outgrow the playground–or discover their sexual identity at the age where the playground is relevant. Both are an absurdity. (I recall the playground through 4th grade.)

  57. @DFH

    except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.
     
    But it objectively is.


    The damage inflicted on LGBTQ people was incalculable: hearing homophobic language casually thrown around in the playground, absorbing the homophobia peddled by much of the media, fearful of rejection from family and friends, and no one to tell you you’re not alone, that there’s nothing wrong with you
     
    How did the damage of hearing children call each other 'gay' compared to the damage of being thrown off a roof or stoned?

    Replies: @Forbes, @Desiderius

    anti-bullying : social harmony :: anti-vaxxing : public health

  58. @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Please don't ask this. I don't know and want to keep it that way, while I read the iSteve comments.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It makes a first gay president named butt-edge-edge somewhat problematic.

  59. @Daniel H
    “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,”

    Dude should stop the whining. 80s UK wasn't that bad. Sure beats being thrown off a roof.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/14/13/2B5C28E200000578-0-image-a-2_1439555792851.jpg

    Replies: @Forbes

    “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,”

    Try having older brothers for whom bullying, picking on, and mockery is an amateur sport, and doesn’t stop merely by leaving the schoolyard. Best training and education of my life, those older brothers. Taught me mental toughness, and verbal dexterity and sparring skills.

    The idea to shelter children from the rough and tumble of life is actual child abuse. Those writing about their formative experiences in this way reveal themselves as permanent adolescents. Life is full of hard lessons that teach reality instilling mental and physical characteristics enabling one to thrive and succeed–who told them it was otherwise?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Forbes


    who told them it was otherwise?
     
    Everyone in a position to.

    The rest of us have been cowards like Pence. Won't be long til he hears the cock crow.
  60. The combo of the LGBTQABC123 community teaming up with Muslims is hilarious. I don’t doubt the Muslims will pretend to be allies until they get what they want.

    Afterwards? They’ll turn on them in an instant once they have the tools and means to do so. It’s vaguely amusing, really.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @al-Gharaniq

    Don't underestimate gay white men. They've conquered us handily.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @al-Gharaniq

    The gentrifiers survive the black criminal underclass, they will be tougher than the Moslems expect.

    Replies: @Bubba

  61. Gays probably wish the Muslim grooming gang would start grooming little boys instead. That would make them natural allies indeed.

  62. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Yeah, there's a lot of homosexuality is Muslim culture. I gather that what appears to modern Westerners as cognitive dissonance or hypocrisy—condemning homosexuality theologically while engaging in it by custom—has to do with the distinction between penetrating and being penetrated, the former not being considered "homo" by Muslims while the role of the latter is often supplied by some kind underclass, eg., servants/slaves, children (bacha bazis), feminine-/modern-style homosexuals, etc.

    Naturally, the establishment we're-all-equal-kumbaya media has every interest in obscuring these distinctions as much as possible.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Look, it’s a different civilization – they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of “temporary marriage” – it’s a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there’s female circumcision. On and on. It’s just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West – each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization – death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D

    Dismemberment of one kind or another either via multiple horses/chariots or dragging was practiced in Europe up to the late 18th century, so some of these exotic punishments aren't so much exotic as universal. The expression "there is nothing new under the sun" comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismemberment

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Jack D

    it's a form of halal prostitution-FIFY.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Look, it’s a different civilization ...
     
    Exactly.

    European explorers, colonizers, even most missionaries as they ventured out upon the world, learned that it was full of difference. And up to less than a hundred years ago understood that--"different people", "different civilization".

    These good-whites that we have today seem to--at least most of them--honestly believe that inside every foreigner there is a a ... *white liberal* just waiting to pop out. (They just need "education" and any failure to perform per spec is of course because they've been victimized by deplorables racism.)

    As i've said before our nominal "global cosmopolitans" are the most parochial people on earth.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    True, but the antecedents of our own civilization shared many of those ways. Some Muslim views would not be out of place among ancient Romans, or even some medieval Europeans. Indeed, re homosexuality, I'm told that it is still current among some non-Muslim Mediterranean cultures.

    Replies: @Jack D

  63. People still read this stuff? These columnists?

    (Apart from people whose job it is to Notice, of course.)

  64. @Forbes
    @Daniel H


    “I feel sad that I had to experience all that sort of mental angst all those years, being bullied, being picked on, being mocked,”
     
    Try having older brothers for whom bullying, picking on, and mockery is an amateur sport, and doesn't stop merely by leaving the schoolyard. Best training and education of my life, those older brothers. Taught me mental toughness, and verbal dexterity and sparring skills.

    The idea to shelter children from the rough and tumble of life is actual child abuse. Those writing about their formative experiences in this way reveal themselves as permanent adolescents. Life is full of hard lessons that teach reality instilling mental and physical characteristics enabling one to thrive and succeed--who told them it was otherwise?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    who told them it was otherwise?

    Everyone in a position to.

    The rest of us have been cowards like Pence. Won’t be long til he hears the cock crow.

  65. @al-Gharaniq
    The combo of the LGBTQABC123 community teaming up with Muslims is hilarious. I don't doubt the Muslims will pretend to be allies until they get what they want.

    Afterwards? They'll turn on them in an instant once they have the tools and means to do so. It's vaguely amusing, really.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Redneck farmer

    Don’t underestimate gay white men. They’ve conquered us handily.

  66. @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    Erm, no. “Rimming” (which is, to put it bluntly, eating ass) has zero risk of HIV transmission, whereas anal sex has the highest risk. The majority of modern day HIV diagnoses in Western countries come from unprotected anal sex, for the same reason teenage pregnancies are a thing: people do stupid things when they’re horny.

    Also, ‘GRIDS’ is completely outdated since nowadays the majority of people with HIV are heterosexual (thanks, Africa!).

  67. @Desiderius
    @Alden

    The vast majority of gay men can have children just fine. If they would follow traditional Christian teaching their kids can even have a mom instead of a step-dad.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife’s, and their children’s lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can’t temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Agreed.

    Closeted gay men are pretty much a disaster all 'round - for themselves, for their wives, for their children, for the boys in their scout troop, or their sports team, or their church, or whatever.

    Listen up, straight folk: given that you're stuck with having gay folk around, believe me: you want to know who they are. You don't want them hidden.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    , @Anonymous
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    "Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy."

    Then we should side with the Muslims, since we have way more "mutual enemies" with them (homos, zionists, neocons, feminists, social liberals, usurious bankers, globalism etc.) than with gays.

    , @AndrewR
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated. This seems rather insane to me because gays tend to have surplus time and money which any group could benefit from. I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees. In return, white nationalists should extend a modest amount of tolerance to gays - less than what current political correctness dictates, but more than what was offered to gays 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    , @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Substitute "team with" for "embrace" for marketing purposes!

    , @Desiderius
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    If you’re following traditional Christian teaching she won’t be unsuspecting nor will it be a sham marriage.

    Human beings are more than our base desires. At least those who have been raised well above them or grown up out of them.

    If you haven’t, you’re free not to marry and stick your dick in all the assholes you like. If you join every other living thing and recognize the value of procreation, you can choose that instead.

    I understand the modern catechism jot and tittle. It is wrong.

    I’m not fearful of your buggery, though I am fearful of the illegitimate power you enjoy over me and mine. Good luck defending it. You’ll need it.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    , @Desiderius
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    To be clear what I am saying here: there are many single women who haven’t had much in the way of sex in years but would like a family who would be overjoyed to start one with a man of the quality of many gay men I know.

    Given the choice of the form without the function or the function without the form, many would in fact choose the latter. There are worse fates than living like Shakers with loving children and grandchildren.

  68. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …

    If white men did not exist, the CotF would need to invent them. Once you remove white men as the central target, the Coalition of the Fringes looks exactly like a circular firing squad. They had better pray that there are enough white people around to remain a target, because otherwise the infighting starts the next day.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    If white men did not exist, the CotF would need to invent them. Once you remove white men as the central target, the Coalition of the Fringes looks exactly like a circular firing squad. They had better pray that there are enough white people around to remain a target, because otherwise the infighting starts the next day.
     
    The concept of a circular firing squad assumes that the people on that squad have no serious disagreements. Coalitions are nothing of the kind. They're temporary accommodations created by parties with distinct and opposing goals at the spur of the moment to combat some greater common threat. It's as natural as the cycling of the seasons that coalition members should fall out and fight each other.
    , @anon
    @Jack D

    Eric Hoffer - "mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without belief in a devil." A devil with blue eyes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

  69. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.
     
    What is "rimming"?

    Replies: @Pericles, @Vox Australis, @Almost Missouri, @Stebbing Heuer

    Seriously, do you really want to know?

    If so, Google is your friend. Don’t ask here.

  70. @Anon
    @Wilkey

    Violent right-wing Whites join the military. They end up getting sent overseas to fight for ZOG.

    When they get bsck home, they have the honor of seeing their neighborhoods enriched with endless diversity.

    They're no threat to anyone in power.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    When they get back home

    IF they get back home.

  71. @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    Really? I always thought that AIDS stood for Arse Injected Death Sentence.

    The more you know….

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: jim jones
  72. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Look, it's a different civilization - they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of "temporary marriage" - it's a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there's female circumcision. On and on. It's just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West - each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization - death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Redneck farmer, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    Dismemberment of one kind or another either via multiple horses/chariots or dragging was practiced in Europe up to the late 18th century, so some of these exotic punishments aren’t so much exotic as universal. The expression “there is nothing new under the sun” comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismemberment

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Johann Ricke

    The rack was a mechanised version of this. Using a machine to pull people apart instead of horses or bovines.

  73. @Jack D

    But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …
     
    If white men did not exist, the CotF would need to invent them. Once you remove white men as the central target, the Coalition of the Fringes looks exactly like a circular firing squad. They had better pray that there are enough white people around to remain a target, because otherwise the infighting starts the next day.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anon

    If white men did not exist, the CotF would need to invent them. Once you remove white men as the central target, the Coalition of the Fringes looks exactly like a circular firing squad. They had better pray that there are enough white people around to remain a target, because otherwise the infighting starts the next day.

    The concept of a circular firing squad assumes that the people on that squad have no serious disagreements. Coalitions are nothing of the kind. They’re temporary accommodations created by parties with distinct and opposing goals at the spur of the moment to combat some greater common threat. It’s as natural as the cycling of the seasons that coalition members should fall out and fight each other.

  74. @Cowboy Shaw
    Sort of on topic, but the Israel Folau farrago in Australia shows signs of escalating:

    "Billy Vunipola has refused to unlike an Instagram post published by Israel Folau in which the Australia full-back made homophobic remarks.

    Folau said on Wednesday that "hell awaits" homosexuals in comments that have resulted in Rugby Australia stating they plan to terminate his contract.

    In an apparent show of support to his fellow Christian, Vunipola has declared in his own Instagram post that "Man was made for woman to pro create that was the goal no?"

    However, England's No 8 added: "I don't HATE anyone".

    Vunipola could face disciplinary action from the Rugby Football Union in response to the anti-gay position outlined in his post."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2019/04/12/billy-vunipola-shows-support-israel-folaus-anti-gay-stance-risks/

    Rugby adminstrators really are dopey idiots. They've piled all in on the gay inclusivity thing and it seems not one of them stopped to think that up to 25% of their professional player base are pretty hardcore Christians. Exiled South African Afrikaaners and Pacific Islanders are pretty much the core of all the northern hemisphere professional leagues.

    It's pretty clear that Folau is in breach of his employment contract, but I don't think that's going to save the Australian Rugby Union from a big backlash from the PI communities if they shitcan him. The rival Rugby League has said they won't have him too. It all begins to look very unsightly.

    And now other players are piling in behind him. Folau and Vunipola are not insignificant players either. They are both probably top 10 ranking players in the world. Popcorn time if this escalates.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Reg Cæsar

    Folau is the only player on the Australian team worth cloning, for mine.

    ‘Power of prayer’?

    I don’t understand why they don’t arrange for every play to end up with him in possession.

    All over now.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    @Stebbing Heuer

    Yeah, he's got a uniquely fluid style. Great player.

  75. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Fascinating how the main opposition to her tenure- the coal miner's strike- is memory holed as class recedes to identity.

    Replies: @DFH, @dfordoom

    Don’t worry; we will never forget the role of homosexuals in the miners’ strike

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_(2014_film)

  76. Even after the Orlando Florida massacre he found enough reasons with which confirm his existing biases – he knew it was an attack on homosexuals, but he couldn’t make the leap to its being an islamic terror attack on homosexuals:

    Belief preservation is a hell of a drug.

  77. @TWS
    @Anon

    Unfortunately?

    Replies: @Anon

    Yes, I’m not homophobic.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Anon

    Interesting, I assume you're also not a witch or a unicorn.

  78. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Agreed.

    Closeted gay men are pretty much a disaster all ’round – for themselves, for their wives, for their children, for the boys in their scout troop, or their sports team, or their church, or whatever.

    Listen up, straight folk: given that you’re stuck with having gay folk around, believe me: you want to know who they are. You don’t want them hidden.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Vinteuil

    Ah, again 'gays are molesters'. Yes, you are stuck with having gay men around, perhaps your son will be one. I hope you have the empathy to treat him like a human being.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Vinteuil

  79. @Stebbing Heuer
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Folau is the only player on the Australian team worth cloning, for mine.

    'Power of prayer'?

    I don't understand why they don't arrange for every play to end up with him in possession.

    All over now.

    Replies: @Cowboy shaw

    Yeah, he’s got a uniquely fluid style. Great player.

  80. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    “Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.”

    Then we should side with the Muslims, since we have way more “mutual enemies” with them (homos, zionists, neocons, feminists, social liberals, usurious bankers, globalism etc.) than with gays.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  81. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Meretricious


    We have to import the homos to get them away from the muslims, for their own safety. Then we have to import the muslims, IDK maybe they came first, but we have to import them so, um, we can teach them to love homos. Sounds legit.

     

    You understand: we have to save them all.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Could we save them using the traditional method of saving Vietnamese villages?

  82. Excuse me? There have been many rap songs against Trump. Sounds like you’re a racist.

    Ayo, have a listen y’all.

    YG feat. Nipsey Hussle – “FDT” (2016)

    “I like white folks, but I don’t like you
    All the niggas in the hood wanna fight you
    Surprised El Chapo ain’t tried to snipe you Surprised the Nation of Islam ain’t tried to find you.”

    Anderson .Paak feat. T.I. – “Come Down (Remix)” (2016)

    “I fantasize shooting Trump down
    A shot for every black man who got gunned down
    By the police with no convictions so they run ’round
    When we protest they tell us pipe down, for Trayvon and Mike Brown.”

    Ty Dolla $ign feat. Juicy J, Jeezy & Diddy – “Blase (Remix)” (2016)

    “Fuck George Bush and Ronald Reagan
    I don’t fuck with Donald Trump, he don’t like us”

    When will you bigots understand, the black community is no longer putting up with hateful and violent rhetoric from klansmen like Xrumpf.

  83. @Vinteuil
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Agreed.

    Closeted gay men are pretty much a disaster all 'round - for themselves, for their wives, for their children, for the boys in their scout troop, or their sports team, or their church, or whatever.

    Listen up, straight folk: given that you're stuck with having gay folk around, believe me: you want to know who they are. You don't want them hidden.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Ah, again ‘gays are molesters’. Yes, you are stuck with having gay men around, perhaps your son will be one. I hope you have the empathy to treat him like a human being.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    That would be an improvement over how the rainbow flag army would treat him - as a prisoner of his base desires. Plus they’d stick my grandchildren with a step-dad where a mom should be.

    Hard Pass.

    , @Vinteuil
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    My friend, you have just fulfilled one of my dearest wishes: to be mistaken for a straight guy!

  84. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated. This seems rather insane to me because gays tend to have surplus time and money which any group could benefit from. I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees. In return, white nationalists should extend a modest amount of tolerance to gays – less than what current political correctness dictates, but more than what was offered to gays 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    @AndrewR

    Would this go for the gay Jews as well?

    , @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated.
     
    Where do you get this?

    I don't claim my opinion is representative, because i don't think there is a "representative" opinion.

    But mine boils down to "this ain't no way to run a railroad". Meaning simply you can't preserve a civilization unless you're willing to understand and do what preserving it requires, which includes what reproducing it requires. I've got no problem with homosexuals going and being who they are. But the sort of "equality" crap they've insisted on the last 30 or so is simply incompatible with running a healthy civilization.

    A healthy civilization understands basic math and logic, ergo the absolute primacy of stable male-female union--marriage. Undertanding that then it can tolerate a bit of non-violent weirdness from the malformed. No need to pitch 'em off rooftops, nor even keep 'em in the closet. But it can't put a premium on their feelings, pander to their demands, nor pretend in any way shape or form that they aren't malformed, are normal.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @dfordoom
    @AndrewR


    I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees.
     
    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they're going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.

    And what on earth makes you think homosexuals have the slightest interest in saving western civilisation? They have worked very very hard to turn the western world into a gigantic homosexual brothel. And as far as they are concerned their people means fellow homosexuals.

    The LGBT lobby is not going to accept any compromises. They have become steadily more extreme year by year and there is no reason to think that they won't continue to move in more and more extreme directions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

  85. @Jack D

    But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies. …
     
    If white men did not exist, the CotF would need to invent them. Once you remove white men as the central target, the Coalition of the Fringes looks exactly like a circular firing squad. They had better pray that there are enough white people around to remain a target, because otherwise the infighting starts the next day.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anon

    Eric Hoffer – “mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without belief in a devil.” A devil with blue eyes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Thanks.

    , @AnotherDad
    @anon

    Anon[296], thanks for this quote.

  86. This story concerning the all-Muslim Birmingham school where the parents protested against “gay” education by keeping their children at home, and GETTING THEIR WAY, is huge. Sargon of Akkad nailed it when he rhetorically asked why the Guardian was not calling the parents “homophobes” and bigots. I would add, why haven’t the police launched an investigation into possible anti-gay hate crimes? When are the ringleaders going to be “outed” and harassed on social media? When is Owen Jones going to lead a protest outside the school gates?

    Of course the Establishment media is acutely embarrassed by the situation and so they won’t cover it very much, but it is a massive win for anyone on the race realist Right. Muslims 1 : Homosexual Lobby 0. But the result was never in doubt. Muslims will go all the way to defend their faith. So there is no doubt that the parents involved would have been prepared to pay a fine or even go to jail. Queer worship, and libtardism in general, is just a weird and transient fad that does not have a constituency with any real conviction and certainly has no “muscle” to back it up. As Nick Griffin once said, the future is either Islamic or Authoritarian Right, there is no option that is kumbaya liberal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @martin2

    I remember following this story on a lefty forum. The general consensus by the end of it was that (anonymous, hidden) fundamentalist Christians had put the Muslims up to this.

  87. @Sbalfa

    I just think that children should be allowed to be who they are, let us be who we are
     
    A believer in nature over nurture, then?

    Replies: @Forbes

    Nature, you say?

    Right after they finish mapping the human genome, they’ll uncover the gay gene.

    What’s that you say? The human genome mapping was completed in 2003?

    Say any day now…

  88. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Substitute “team with” for “embrace” for marketing purposes!

  89. @anon
    @Jack D

    Eric Hoffer - "mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without belief in a devil." A devil with blue eyes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    Thanks.

  90. @The Last Real Calvinist
    As you read this article, you can smell hot oil as the Guardian's Narrative Maintenance Processing Unit whines in overload.

    This paragraph is a whirlpool of WokeLogic:


    The dangerous conclusion to draw from this saga is that Muslims and LGBTQ people are on a collision course. That is certainly the battle cry of ever more emboldened Islamophobes, who never talk of LGBTQ rights except when it becomes convenient artillery in their bigoted war on Muslims. If you only talk of LGBTQ rights to attack Muslims then you do not care about those rights: and for those of us who have been attacked by homophobic far-right activists in the streets but have never endured homophobia from Muslims, there is a perverse irony at work. In any case, we are not talking about two discrete groups: some Muslims are gay or trans, and vice versa. But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

     

    'In any case . . .' and 'But in truth . . .' are being abused in a way innocent throwaway phrases should never be asked to endure.

    But hey, at least the Guardian managed to use the correct form of 'discrete'.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Gabe Ruth, @AnotherDad

    But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

    Well amid all the lies, one tiny little streak of truth sneaks in.

    Never allies and not the same experiences, but indeed they have the same enemy: the normal, healthy Britons who wanttheir civilization to continue in the land their ancestors have had for thousands of years.

  91. @Anon

    Like other LGBTQ people who went to school before the repeal of section 28 in 2003, I too grew up in its shadow: I was never taught about LGBTQ issues, except when a teacher told a class that anal sex was bad for your health.

    When everybody knows that the AIDS Epidemic was actually caused by Nancy Reagan.
     
    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper. BTW, AIDS was originally known as "GRIDS" or "Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome", because it was so strongly identified with homosexuals:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency

    Gay-related immune deficiency (GRID) was the original name for a disease currently known as AIDS. GRID was first mentioned in a May 11, 1982 article in The New York Times.[1] In this article, the term "A.I.D." (Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease) is also mentioned. In the early days of AIDS (i.e., 1982–1985), the terms "gay cancer" and "gay plague" were also used.[2][3][4]
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Matra, @Anonymous, @TheMediumIsTheMassage, @Smithsonian, @AnotherDad

    Actually, AIDS had more to do with rimming than anal sex proper.

    Stop.

    Besides being flat out wrong, the bottom line is simple: homosexual un-natural acts spread disease. This was true involving all the other venereal diseases before HIV/AIDS and will still be true if medical science comes up with some magic bullet cure for it.

    There’s a place nature has designed to accomodate an engorged penis–God be praised!

  92. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    If you’re following traditional Christian teaching she won’t be unsuspecting nor will it be a sham marriage.

    Human beings are more than our base desires. At least those who have been raised well above them or grown up out of them.

    If you haven’t, you’re free not to marry and stick your dick in all the assholes you like. If you join every other living thing and recognize the value of procreation, you can choose that instead.

    I understand the modern catechism jot and tittle. It is wrong.

    I’m not fearful of your buggery, though I am fearful of the illegitimate power you enjoy over me and mine. Good luck defending it. You’ll need it.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    I don't have nor want any power over you. Just because there are a bunch of rich gays in Hollywood doesn't mean gays rule the world. Take off the tinfoil hat please. After literally thousands of years of actual oppression, gay men can now legally organize their affairs as they please and work without fear of being fired for their sexuality. That's not the end of the world nor having monumental power over you or whatever your delusion is telling you.

  93. @AndrewR
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated. This seems rather insane to me because gays tend to have surplus time and money which any group could benefit from. I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees. In return, white nationalists should extend a modest amount of tolerance to gays - less than what current political correctness dictates, but more than what was offered to gays 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    Would this go for the gay Jews as well?

  94. @Wilkey
    Yeah, the UK really needs to watch out for those far right wing white folk. Remember when they bombed the Tube, decapitated a British soldier right in the street, and spent decades abusing thousands of vulnerable young girls?

    They is dangerous, I tell ya.

    Replies: @Anon, @J.Ross

    I’m hearing that Rotherham convictions are starting to become public and they got community service, but I don’t have a real source yet. The thing is, how could that not be the case? Surely that’s how it’ll be.

  95. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Vinteuil

    Ah, again 'gays are molesters'. Yes, you are stuck with having gay men around, perhaps your son will be one. I hope you have the empathy to treat him like a human being.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Vinteuil

    That would be an improvement over how the rainbow flag army would treat him – as a prisoner of his base desires. Plus they’d stick my grandchildren with a step-dad where a mom should be.

    Hard Pass.

  96. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Look, it's a different civilization - they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of "temporary marriage" - it's a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there's female circumcision. On and on. It's just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West - each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization - death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Redneck farmer, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    it’s a form of halal prostitution-FIFY.

  97. @al-Gharaniq
    The combo of the LGBTQABC123 community teaming up with Muslims is hilarious. I don't doubt the Muslims will pretend to be allies until they get what they want.

    Afterwards? They'll turn on them in an instant once they have the tools and means to do so. It's vaguely amusing, really.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Redneck farmer

    The gentrifiers survive the black criminal underclass, they will be tougher than the Moslems expect.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Redneck farmer

    True, but the gentrifiers will leave when the Muslims start placing the eardrum splitting obnoxious speakers politely called minarets for their "call to brainwashing" directly outside of the infidel homes.

  98. Multiple Choice Question – answer ABCDE or F: According to Randy Shilts in “And the Band Played On” page 131-132 “A typical GRID case had sex with (how many) men in his lifetime;…”
    A 5 , B 15, C 100, D 250, E 600, F 1000 ? (Rounded numbers). Did you know?

    Randy Shilts – reporter for San Francisco Chronicle. Gay man. Reporting on CDC research on AIDS (GRID) in mid- 1980s in his NYT best selling book. Hint: Worst grade in math class. (Who reads or reports on fact-based best-selling books anyway?)

  99. Muslims and LGBTQ people should stand together, not fight each other

    Better yet, they should lie together. In the famous “crescent” position found throughout Burton’s Sotadic zone.

    Owen Jones

    Owen Jones = No one’s Jew.

    Khakan Qureshi. A softly spoken gay Muslim…

    Very softly spoken, if he knows what’s good for him. But he’s probably safe, as nobody really reads the Guardian.

    Khakan Qureshi = Shake Iraq hunk.

  100. Yeah, Gays and Muslim fundamentalists are natural allies.

    Both are interested in the fundament.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    If an instrumentalist blows noise out of his instrument, a fundamentalist obviously blows noise out of his fundament.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Just *WHAT* was the bird-faced beaky thing all about?

    The very first time I encountered that engraving, as a kid reading a history book, I laughed out loud.
    I've been haunted by the image ever since. Apparently, it was the working uniform of a 'plague doctor'.

  101. @Cowboy Shaw
    Sort of on topic, but the Israel Folau farrago in Australia shows signs of escalating:

    "Billy Vunipola has refused to unlike an Instagram post published by Israel Folau in which the Australia full-back made homophobic remarks.

    Folau said on Wednesday that "hell awaits" homosexuals in comments that have resulted in Rugby Australia stating they plan to terminate his contract.

    In an apparent show of support to his fellow Christian, Vunipola has declared in his own Instagram post that "Man was made for woman to pro create that was the goal no?"

    However, England's No 8 added: "I don't HATE anyone".

    Vunipola could face disciplinary action from the Rugby Football Union in response to the anti-gay position outlined in his post."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2019/04/12/billy-vunipola-shows-support-israel-folaus-anti-gay-stance-risks/

    Rugby adminstrators really are dopey idiots. They've piled all in on the gay inclusivity thing and it seems not one of them stopped to think that up to 25% of their professional player base are pretty hardcore Christians. Exiled South African Afrikaaners and Pacific Islanders are pretty much the core of all the northern hemisphere professional leagues.

    It's pretty clear that Folau is in breach of his employment contract, but I don't think that's going to save the Australian Rugby Union from a big backlash from the PI communities if they shitcan him. The rival Rugby League has said they won't have him too. It all begins to look very unsightly.

    And now other players are piling in behind him. Folau and Vunipola are not insignificant players either. They are both probably top 10 ranking players in the world. Popcorn time if this escalates.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Reg Cæsar

    Being white isn’t enough to save a country. You have to be white and sane.

    I have to laugh every time I hear accusations of “white supremacism”. How anybody can think a race this stupid, this corrupt, can ever be “supreme” is way above my pay grade.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Reg Cæsar


    Being white isn’t enough to save a country. You have to be white and sane.

    I have to laugh every time I hear accusations of “white supremacism”. How anybody can think a race this stupid, this corrupt, can ever be “supreme” is way above my pay grade.
     
    All too true, sadly.
  102. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Desiderius

    And condemn an unsuspecting woman to a sham marriage and condemn the man to a lifetime of repression and self-hatred? No thank you. Best case scenario, the man will end up coming out at 50 and wrecking his, his wife's, and their children's lives. The alt right always goes on about the truth and about how you can't temper the natural order of the world. For gay men, that means not fighting against who we are.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this article should be that the far right should embrace gay men as we actually do have a mutual enemy.

    Replies: @Vinteuil, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @simple_pseudonymic_handle, @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    To be clear what I am saying here: there are many single women who haven’t had much in the way of sex in years but would like a family who would be overjoyed to start one with a man of the quality of many gay men I know.

    Given the choice of the form without the function or the function without the form, many would in fact choose the latter. There are worse fates than living like Shakers with loving children and grandchildren.

  103. @anon
    @Jack D

    Eric Hoffer - "mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without belief in a devil." A devil with blue eyes.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    Anon[296], thanks for this quote.

  104. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    @Vinteuil

    Ah, again 'gays are molesters'. Yes, you are stuck with having gay men around, perhaps your son will be one. I hope you have the empathy to treat him like a human being.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Vinteuil

    My friend, you have just fulfilled one of my dearest wishes: to be mistaken for a straight guy!

  105. @AndrewR
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated. This seems rather insane to me because gays tend to have surplus time and money which any group could benefit from. I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees. In return, white nationalists should extend a modest amount of tolerance to gays - less than what current political correctness dictates, but more than what was offered to gays 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated.

    Where do you get this?

    I don’t claim my opinion is representative, because i don’t think there is a “representative” opinion.

    But mine boils down to “this ain’t no way to run a railroad”. Meaning simply you can’t preserve a civilization unless you’re willing to understand and do what preserving it requires, which includes what reproducing it requires. I’ve got no problem with homosexuals going and being who they are. But the sort of “equality” crap they’ve insisted on the last 30 or so is simply incompatible with running a healthy civilization.

    A healthy civilization understands basic math and logic, ergo the absolute primacy of stable male-female union–marriage. Undertanding that then it can tolerate a bit of non-violent weirdness from the malformed. No need to pitch ’em off rooftops, nor even keep ’em in the closet. But it can’t put a premium on their feelings, pander to their demands, nor pretend in any way shape or form that they aren’t malformed, are normal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Fifty, a hundred years ago all educated or at least somewhat intelligent adults knew there were homosexuals. There always were and always will be. They are a tiny percent of the population. Civilized adults just left them alone and they were at least discreet around children, bluenoses and the like.

    But they did not run society. We did not reorder our whole society around them.

    Certain businesses did not hire them, churches and schools did not allow them positions of authority or responsibility, but they did okay. Kids could grow up without having any knowledge of homosexual sex. Under the principle of free association, one could choose to associate with them as much as or as little as desired, just as they could choose to associate exclusively with other homosexuals, which was possible in places where they congregated like New York, coastal California, and in little enclaves in places like Savannah, Georgia.

    If someone is gay, well and fine, but they do not have a right to impose themselves on people who do not want to deal with them. A business should have the right to not bake cakes for anyone for any reason. There are Jewish businesses in New York that don't want goyim in the place, there are black businesses in many city that do not cater to whites, there are gay businesses that don't want straights or members of the wrong sex in the place. That is their right.

    Free association is the first, most basic, and most important civil right. What we have is an environment where fringe people have that right but core Americans do not. You can have an all-gay firm but not an all-straight firm. You can have an all-black club but not an all-white one. Muslims and Jews can have businesses that only deal with their own but Christians can not.

    Replies: @Bubba

  106. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D

    Dismemberment of one kind or another either via multiple horses/chariots or dragging was practiced in Europe up to the late 18th century, so some of these exotic punishments aren't so much exotic as universal. The expression "there is nothing new under the sun" comes to mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismemberment

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The rack was a mechanised version of this. Using a machine to pull people apart instead of horses or bovines.

  107. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @martin2
    This story concerning the all-Muslim Birmingham school where the parents protested against "gay" education by keeping their children at home, and GETTING THEIR WAY, is huge. Sargon of Akkad nailed it when he rhetorically asked why the Guardian was not calling the parents "homophobes" and bigots. I would add, why haven't the police launched an investigation into possible anti-gay hate crimes? When are the ringleaders going to be "outed" and harassed on social media? When is Owen Jones going to lead a protest outside the school gates?

    Of course the Establishment media is acutely embarrassed by the situation and so they won't cover it very much, but it is a massive win for anyone on the race realist Right. Muslims 1 : Homosexual Lobby 0. But the result was never in doubt. Muslims will go all the way to defend their faith. So there is no doubt that the parents involved would have been prepared to pay a fine or even go to jail. Queer worship, and libtardism in general, is just a weird and transient fad that does not have a constituency with any real conviction and certainly has no "muscle" to back it up. As Nick Griffin once said, the future is either Islamic or Authoritarian Right, there is no option that is kumbaya liberal.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I remember following this story on a lefty forum. The general consensus by the end of it was that (anonymous, hidden) fundamentalist Christians had put the Muslims up to this.

  108. What Owen Jones is really afraid of, and he’s very afraid indeed, is that social conservatives and Muslims will one day realise that they really are natural allies. They really do have a common enemy in liberalism (and LGBT activism and especially feminism).

    Fortunately for Owen Jones white social conservatives are much too dumb ever to take advantage of the opportunity.

  109. @Gabe Ruth
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I never invoke sodomite rights, and I only defend Muslims when they target sodomites. Vigorous hatred of sodomites is actually the one redeeming aspect of their culture, and it is hateful to want to change it. Check mate, bigot.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I only defend Muslims when they target sodomites. Vigorous hatred of sodomites is actually the one redeeming aspect of their culture, and it is hateful to want to change it.

    Their detestation of feminism is another positive aspect of their culture. It would also be hateful and bigoted to want to change that.

  110. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Look, it's a different civilization - they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of "temporary marriage" - it's a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there's female circumcision. On and on. It's just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West - each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization - death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Redneck farmer, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    Look, it’s a different civilization …

    Exactly.

    European explorers, colonizers, even most missionaries as they ventured out upon the world, learned that it was full of difference. And up to less than a hundred years ago understood that–“different people”, “different civilization”.

    These good-whites that we have today seem to–at least most of them–honestly believe that inside every foreigner there is a a … *white liberal* just waiting to pop out. (They just need “education” and any failure to perform per spec is of course because they’ve been victimized by deplorables racism.)

    As i’ve said before our nominal “global cosmopolitans” are the most parochial people on earth.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad


    honestly believe
     
    There's not much in the way of honesty involved, starting with themselves.
  111. @yaqub the mad scientist
    Fascinating how the main opposition to her tenure- the coal miner's strike- is memory holed as class recedes to identity.

    Replies: @DFH, @dfordoom

    Fascinating how the main opposition to her tenure- the coal miner’s strike- is memory holed as class recedes to identity.

    It’s almost as if the modern Left had abandoned all its actual left-wing principles and had become an apologist for capitalism.

  112. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, Gays and Muslim fundamentalists are natural allies.

     

    Both are interested in the fundament.


    https://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/death.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    If an instrumentalist blows noise out of his instrument, a fundamentalist obviously blows noise out of his fundament.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    If an instrumentalist blows noise out of his instrument, a fundamentalist obviously blows noise out of his fundament.


     

    Le Pétomane
  113. @Anon
    Well, I don’t know why modern Muslims are so homophobic. The history of homosexuality in the Islamic world is very rich. Some important characters in Islamic history were homos.

    My favorite Muslim sodomite is Mehmet, the conqueror of Constantinople. His biography is fascinating, because it also involves Vlad Dracula.

    Mehmet was an insatiable sodomite, and fell in love with Dracula's brother, Radu.

    Unfortunately, unlike nowadays, homophobia was very strong among all Christian societies at the time. Therefore, some say that Dracula was obsessed with impaling the Ottomans, to try to recover some of the family lost honor, since Mehmet loved to impale Radu.

    Replies: @TWS, @Joe Stalin

    Interesting. I remember the old war movie “Play Dirty” had two overtly homo Arab characters.

  114. @the one they call Desanex
    The homo and the Muslim should be friends
    Oh, the homo and the Muslim should be friends
    The homo likes to suck a bag,
    The Muslim likes to stone a fag,
    But that’s no reason why ......................................... Well, never mind.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  115. @AndrewR
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated. This seems rather insane to me because gays tend to have surplus time and money which any group could benefit from. I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees. In return, white nationalists should extend a modest amount of tolerance to gays - less than what current political correctness dictates, but more than what was offered to gays 30 years ago.

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @AnotherDad, @dfordoom

    I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees.

    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they’re going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.

    And what on earth makes you think homosexuals have the slightest interest in saving western civilisation? They have worked very very hard to turn the western world into a gigantic homosexual brothel. And as far as they are concerned their people means fellow homosexuals.

    The LGBT lobby is not going to accept any compromises. They have become steadily more extreme year by year and there is no reason to think that they won’t continue to move in more and more extreme directions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @dfordoom


    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they’re going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.
     
    They're one of several fringe groups with authority, but I don't think they are by any means the most powerful.

    Replies: @Bubba

    , @AndrewR
    @dfordoom

    A shekel for the good goy

  116. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Look, it’s a different civilization ...
     
    Exactly.

    European explorers, colonizers, even most missionaries as they ventured out upon the world, learned that it was full of difference. And up to less than a hundred years ago understood that--"different people", "different civilization".

    These good-whites that we have today seem to--at least most of them--honestly believe that inside every foreigner there is a a ... *white liberal* just waiting to pop out. (They just need "education" and any failure to perform per spec is of course because they've been victimized by deplorables racism.)

    As i've said before our nominal "global cosmopolitans" are the most parochial people on earth.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    honestly believe

    There’s not much in the way of honesty involved, starting with themselves.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @Cowboy Shaw

    Being white isn't enough to save a country. You have to be white and sane.


    I have to laugh every time I hear accusations of "white supremacism". How anybody can think a race this stupid, this corrupt, can ever be "supreme" is way above my pay grade.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Being white isn’t enough to save a country. You have to be white and sane.

    I have to laugh every time I hear accusations of “white supremacism”. How anybody can think a race this stupid, this corrupt, can ever be “supreme” is way above my pay grade.

    All too true, sadly.

  118. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    If an instrumentalist blows noise out of his instrument, a fundamentalist obviously blows noise out of his fundament.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If an instrumentalist blows noise out of his instrument, a fundamentalist obviously blows noise out of his fundament.

    Le Pétomane

  119. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    Most white nationalists seem to vehemently reject the idea that gays should be treated any better than the average person thinks pedophiles should be treated.
     
    Where do you get this?

    I don't claim my opinion is representative, because i don't think there is a "representative" opinion.

    But mine boils down to "this ain't no way to run a railroad". Meaning simply you can't preserve a civilization unless you're willing to understand and do what preserving it requires, which includes what reproducing it requires. I've got no problem with homosexuals going and being who they are. But the sort of "equality" crap they've insisted on the last 30 or so is simply incompatible with running a healthy civilization.

    A healthy civilization understands basic math and logic, ergo the absolute primacy of stable male-female union--marriage. Undertanding that then it can tolerate a bit of non-violent weirdness from the malformed. No need to pitch 'em off rooftops, nor even keep 'em in the closet. But it can't put a premium on their feelings, pander to their demands, nor pretend in any way shape or form that they aren't malformed, are normal.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Fifty, a hundred years ago all educated or at least somewhat intelligent adults knew there were homosexuals. There always were and always will be. They are a tiny percent of the population. Civilized adults just left them alone and they were at least discreet around children, bluenoses and the like.

    But they did not run society. We did not reorder our whole society around them.

    Certain businesses did not hire them, churches and schools did not allow them positions of authority or responsibility, but they did okay. Kids could grow up without having any knowledge of homosexual sex. Under the principle of free association, one could choose to associate with them as much as or as little as desired, just as they could choose to associate exclusively with other homosexuals, which was possible in places where they congregated like New York, coastal California, and in little enclaves in places like Savannah, Georgia.

    If someone is gay, well and fine, but they do not have a right to impose themselves on people who do not want to deal with them. A business should have the right to not bake cakes for anyone for any reason. There are Jewish businesses in New York that don’t want goyim in the place, there are black businesses in many city that do not cater to whites, there are gay businesses that don’t want straights or members of the wrong sex in the place. That is their right.

    Free association is the first, most basic, and most important civil right. What we have is an environment where fringe people have that right but core Americans do not. You can have an all-gay firm but not an all-straight firm. You can have an all-black club but not an all-white one. Muslims and Jews can have businesses that only deal with their own but Christians can not.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Anonymous

    Yes, you have it exactly right according to the ADL, SPLC, CAIR and every LBGTQ group under the sun.

    And don't you forget that the 1st amendment states the freedom to associate exists only for obnoxious, power-hungry minorities and definitely not for White Christians.

  120. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    @AndrewR


    I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees.
     
    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they're going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.

    And what on earth makes you think homosexuals have the slightest interest in saving western civilisation? They have worked very very hard to turn the western world into a gigantic homosexual brothel. And as far as they are concerned their people means fellow homosexuals.

    The LGBT lobby is not going to accept any compromises. They have become steadily more extreme year by year and there is no reason to think that they won't continue to move in more and more extreme directions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they’re going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.

    They’re one of several fringe groups with authority, but I don’t think they are by any means the most powerful.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Anonymous

    Well, we know who runs Hollywood.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/you-know-who-runs-this-town/

    Unfortunately the hilarious video has been Stalinized by Google.

    Artie: "You know who runs this town?"

    Phil: "Jews."

    Artie: "No, gay Jews."

  121. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, Gays and Muslim fundamentalists are natural allies.

     

    Both are interested in the fundament.


    https://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/death.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Just *WHAT* was the bird-faced beaky thing all about?

    The very first time I encountered that engraving, as a kid reading a history book, I laughed out loud.
    I’ve been haunted by the image ever since. Apparently, it was the working uniform of a ‘plague doctor’.

  122. @dfordoom
    @AndrewR


    I propose a compromise whereby gays cut down on most of their degeneracy and put the interests of their people above the interests of their pee-pees.
     
    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they're going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.

    And what on earth makes you think homosexuals have the slightest interest in saving western civilisation? They have worked very very hard to turn the western world into a gigantic homosexual brothel. And as far as they are concerned their people means fellow homosexuals.

    The LGBT lobby is not going to accept any compromises. They have become steadily more extreme year by year and there is no reason to think that they won't continue to move in more and more extreme directions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR

    A shekel for the good goy

  123. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Look, it's a different civilization - they have their own ways. In Iran there is also the institution of "temporary marriage" - it's a form of kosher prostitution because you marry the woman for the day (or hour). Then there's female circumcision. On and on. It's just a different way of looking at the world, rooted in different scriptures, different philosophies, different views of the structure of society, of the proper role of men and women, of crime and punishment and so on.

    In the past, these sort of things were considered sociological curiosities that you only read about in books. Islamic civilization was partitioned off from the West - each was considered mutually incompatible with the other (as was Asian civilization - death of 1,000 cuts and all that) but now through the wonders of immigration we can experience the joys of Islamic culture right in our own neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Redneck farmer, @AnotherDad, @Almost Missouri

    True, but the antecedents of our own civilization shared many of those ways. Some Muslim views would not be out of place among ancient Romans, or even some medieval Europeans. Indeed, re homosexuality, I’m told that it is still current among some non-Muslim Mediterranean cultures.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Sure, the past is a different country. A traditional nun's habit is not that different from a hijab. The level of modesty that moderate Muslim women observe in their dress is pretty much the same as what was considered decent everywhere in the West until the late 19th century. Just in time for modern immigration, the standards of the Homoglobo West and the Dar al Islam have converged more than ever. They have stayed pretty much the same (or thanks to Saudi influence have gotten even stricter) while the West has descended into decadence.

    Replies: @Bubba

  124. @Redneck farmer
    @al-Gharaniq

    The gentrifiers survive the black criminal underclass, they will be tougher than the Moslems expect.

    Replies: @Bubba

    True, but the gentrifiers will leave when the Muslims start placing the eardrum splitting obnoxious speakers politely called minarets for their “call to brainwashing” directly outside of the infidel homes.

  125. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    Fifty, a hundred years ago all educated or at least somewhat intelligent adults knew there were homosexuals. There always were and always will be. They are a tiny percent of the population. Civilized adults just left them alone and they were at least discreet around children, bluenoses and the like.

    But they did not run society. We did not reorder our whole society around them.

    Certain businesses did not hire them, churches and schools did not allow them positions of authority or responsibility, but they did okay. Kids could grow up without having any knowledge of homosexual sex. Under the principle of free association, one could choose to associate with them as much as or as little as desired, just as they could choose to associate exclusively with other homosexuals, which was possible in places where they congregated like New York, coastal California, and in little enclaves in places like Savannah, Georgia.

    If someone is gay, well and fine, but they do not have a right to impose themselves on people who do not want to deal with them. A business should have the right to not bake cakes for anyone for any reason. There are Jewish businesses in New York that don't want goyim in the place, there are black businesses in many city that do not cater to whites, there are gay businesses that don't want straights or members of the wrong sex in the place. That is their right.

    Free association is the first, most basic, and most important civil right. What we have is an environment where fringe people have that right but core Americans do not. You can have an all-gay firm but not an all-straight firm. You can have an all-black club but not an all-white one. Muslims and Jews can have businesses that only deal with their own but Christians can not.

    Replies: @Bubba

    Yes, you have it exactly right according to the ADL, SPLC, CAIR and every LBGTQ group under the sun.

    And don’t you forget that the 1st amendment states the freedom to associate exists only for obnoxious, power-hungry minorities and definitely not for White Christians.

  126. @Anonymous
    @dfordoom


    Homosexuals currently control our society. Why would they accept such a compromise? They have won every single battle in the culture war and they know they’re going to keep on winning. They are our rulers. Society bows down and worships them. They are given pretty much free rein to indulge their tastes in the most extreme form in the certain knowledge that they are above the law.
     
    They're one of several fringe groups with authority, but I don't think they are by any means the most powerful.

    Replies: @Bubba

    Well, we know who runs Hollywood.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/you-know-who-runs-this-town/

    Unfortunately the hilarious video has been Stalinized by Google.

    Artie: “You know who runs this town?”

    Phil: “Jews.”

    Artie: “No, gay Jews.”

  127. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    True, but the antecedents of our own civilization shared many of those ways. Some Muslim views would not be out of place among ancient Romans, or even some medieval Europeans. Indeed, re homosexuality, I'm told that it is still current among some non-Muslim Mediterranean cultures.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sure, the past is a different country. A traditional nun’s habit is not that different from a hijab. The level of modesty that moderate Muslim women observe in their dress is pretty much the same as what was considered decent everywhere in the West until the late 19th century. Just in time for modern immigration, the standards of the Homoglobo West and the Dar al Islam have converged more than ever. They have stayed pretty much the same (or thanks to Saudi influence have gotten even stricter) while the West has descended into decadence.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Jack D


    A traditional nun’s habit is not that different from a hijab.
     
    I always enjoy reading your intelligent comments Jack. Maybe on the surface they serve the same function, but fundamentally the differences between a habit and hijab are several universes apart.

    I've never seen a nun in a traditional habit publicly whipped with a stick by a priest or Swiss Guard, but in Saudi I saw too often women wearing hajibs being violently beaten in public with sticks, fists or kicks (it was at least once a week, usually more) by the mutawa. Usually on their weekends - on Thursday or Friday.

  128. @Anon
    @TWS

    Yes, I'm not homophobic.

    Replies: @TWS

    Interesting, I assume you’re also not a witch or a unicorn.

  129. After the Florida nightclub shooting in 2016, Jones stormed out of a live TV interview because the other panelists did not accept that it was a homophobic terrorist attack.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/owen-jones-walks-off-sky-news-after-presenters-deflect-homophobia-behind-orlando-shooting-a7078891.html

    The attacker was an Afghan Muslim.

    But in truth, LGBTQ people and Muslims should be allies: above all, because we share many of the same experiences and enemies.

    He is dreaming.

  130. one can always agree with the statement that children have an inalienable right to be gay

    but it seems that nowadays the issue has moved forward from tolerance towards people
    of a deviant behaviour, towards those same people trying to foist their aberrations
    upon the rest of the general population.

    it is usual practice amongst “normal” societies to expect people to try to live by the rules
    and practices of the majority.

    just think of Michael Jackson. (and countless other deviants), who, so it seems was somewhat
    of an expert in these matters.

  131. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Sure, the past is a different country. A traditional nun's habit is not that different from a hijab. The level of modesty that moderate Muslim women observe in their dress is pretty much the same as what was considered decent everywhere in the West until the late 19th century. Just in time for modern immigration, the standards of the Homoglobo West and the Dar al Islam have converged more than ever. They have stayed pretty much the same (or thanks to Saudi influence have gotten even stricter) while the West has descended into decadence.

    Replies: @Bubba

    A traditional nun’s habit is not that different from a hijab.

    I always enjoy reading your intelligent comments Jack. Maybe on the surface they serve the same function, but fundamentally the differences between a habit and hijab are several universes apart.

    I’ve never seen a nun in a traditional habit publicly whipped with a stick by a priest or Swiss Guard, but in Saudi I saw too often women wearing hajibs being violently beaten in public with sticks, fists or kicks (it was at least once a week, usually more) by the mutawa. Usually on their weekends – on Thursday or Friday.

  132. @Desiderius
    @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    If you’re following traditional Christian teaching she won’t be unsuspecting nor will it be a sham marriage.

    Human beings are more than our base desires. At least those who have been raised well above them or grown up out of them.

    If you haven’t, you’re free not to marry and stick your dick in all the assholes you like. If you join every other living thing and recognize the value of procreation, you can choose that instead.

    I understand the modern catechism jot and tittle. It is wrong.

    I’m not fearful of your buggery, though I am fearful of the illegitimate power you enjoy over me and mine. Good luck defending it. You’ll need it.

    Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage

    I don’t have nor want any power over you. Just because there are a bunch of rich gays in Hollywood doesn’t mean gays rule the world. Take off the tinfoil hat please. After literally thousands of years of actual oppression, gay men can now legally organize their affairs as they please and work without fear of being fired for their sexuality. That’s not the end of the world nor having monumental power over you or whatever your delusion is telling you.

  133. gay men can now legally organize their affairs as they please and work without fear of being fired for their sexuality.

    I’m truly happy for you, that’s how it should be. If you’d like to keep it that way I’d recommend boning up on what the insane snob posse ruling us is doing to Christians in your name. It’s not pretty. Rod Dreher is a good place to start.

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