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During last weekend’s heatwave when Southern Californians would normally have flocked to the breezy beaches (temperatures are often 25 degrees cooler at the beach because the Pacific Ocean off California is quite cool), Los Angeles County beaches were policed shut. But beaches in suburban Orange and Ventura Counties had opened back up. This caused a tizzy for partisan reasons. As I explained in my new Taki’s column:

You might think that Blue America, with its abundant coastline, would be more liberal about beach-going than mostly inland Red America. But back in March, most of the beaches that were warm enough for fun in the sun were in states with Republican governors, such as Florida, so Democrats have since become obsessed with their prejudice that citizens frolicking on beaches would be the doom of us all (when, in reality, mass transit, especially the New York subway, appears instead to have been the worst vector).

The scientific evidence, such as it is, vaguely suggests that ocean breezes and vitamin D are not bad in the current crisis. But who cares about science when Science can be trusted to tell us our partisan foes are Bad and we are Good?

Here’s a photo of OC’s supposedly overcrowded Newport Beach on Saturday, taken from above and from a more perpendicular angle to the shoreline, while most of the scare photos are taken with a telephoto lens parallel to the water’s edge and from a moderate elevation, such as a lifeguard’s tower, to make it look like bodies are practically piled on top of each other.

Normally, beachgoers tend to put their towels down in a crowded line just above the wet sand. That’s the ideal place because you have a nice view looking down at the waves and have a short walk to the water or to the wet sand for taking a long walk. On Saturday, though, it looks like people were spacing out on the normally little-used wide expanse of dry sand further inland.

And here’s another photo of Newport Beach from the L.A. Times that appeared directly under the headline:

Photos show county lines separate packed beaches from empty ones

There appear to be three sizable groups in the lower right corner of the picture, but mostly they are pretty spread out, although now that I look at it, the two photos appear to be of mostly the same place at nearly the same time: note the blue umbrella in both photos.

But now …

By the way, Southern California beaches at night are currently exceptionally beautiful due to a bioluminescence phenomenon in plankton causing crashing waves to light up neon blue.

Torrance photographer Patrick Coyne recently shot this video of dolphins off Orange County:

 
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  1. There is a solid tradition in Western legal jurisprudence under which Gavin Newsom may find himself tried for war crimes.

  2. There is a solid tradition in Anglo-American jurisprudence which suggests that Newsom may soon find himself tried for war crimes.

    Just saying.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Stephen Dodge


    There is a solid tradition in Anglo-American jurisprudence which suggests that Newsom may soon find himself tried for war crimes.
     
    What we need are some show trials. The proceedings of the People's Court should be broadcast nationally. Hopefully he'll make a public confession of his sins. He may even denounce other enemies of the people.

    And the construction of the GULAGs that will be needed after the Great Purge will provide jobs!

    The only way to fight totalitarianism is with totalitarianism. But good totalitarianism. It's wicked when the Left uses the legal system to destroy its enemies but when the Right does it it's totally awesome.
  3. It’s time for a constitutional convention. How hard could it be?

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Dtbb

    Might not go the way you plan. Don't call up that which you can't put down, as a reactionary from Providence said in a different context.

  4. Good chance this could backfire and create a tipping point. Next week’s a heatwave in SoCal. The powers that be don’t get that the underclass whites and mexicans in SoCal don’t have ACs, they’re jammed into small apartments and they have nowhere else to go. Should be really interesting here…

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @joe_mama

    One benefit of the coronavirus hysteria is that the Washington Post has temporarily suspended its jihad against air conditioning. You're not seeing too many articles like this nowadays, even as the summer is fast approaching:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-dont-need-air-conditioning-and-neither-do-you/2016/08/18/b651c448-63cc-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/12/03/air-conditioning/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/air-conditioning-is-the-worlds-next-big-threat/2019/06/28/577a848e-99a5-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html

    I, for one, am looking forward to the day when this BS comes to an end. Then we can go back to trying to save the world from plastic straws, Styrofoam cups, AR-15s, gas-guzzling SUVs, and standalone single-family residential units.

    EDIT: The author of the first article is Karen Heller. Like, she's literally a Karen with "Hell" in her name. I can't even.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anon

  5. Under ideal conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective against COVID-19: the risk of infection per contact is lower outdoors, and vitamin D may help some.

    Under average conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective except when someone coughs on you in the public restrooms, or jogs past you and leaves a trail of ‘rona in their wake.

    Under pessimistic conditions, going to the beach invites people to throw tailgate parties and lick each other’s faces.

    Ideally you would leave open the theoretically safe amenities, and just police the actually unsafe behavior. In practice, however, that means defaulting to some cop’s interpretation of unsafe behavior and willingness to police it. Unfortunately, the logic of exponential growth suggests that it doesn’t take too many additional infections to make the beaches net negative for CA.

    The basic problem is that a general population that was on the ball enough to use beaches responsibly wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Newport Beach may seem Properly Socially Distanced (at least from one photograph), but a brief glance at the zip code demographics suggests that Newport Beach may be something of an outlier in Modern California. When you’re the governor, you have to plan for the average case.

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @lambdaphagy


    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.
     
    Or at least wait long enough so that the economy can't recover before the election?

    Replies: @lambdaphagy

    , @Thoughts
    @lambdaphagy

    Honestly I don't think you give average [hispanics and blacks and indians and asians and whites] enough credit

    Replies: @lambdaphagy

  6. So are you getting angry yet, Steve?

    IDK if you had radiation treatment back in the day, but if you could Hulk out and bound over to Sacramento and send Gov Newsom and Dr. Sonia Angell into orbit, it would be appreciated.

    ( I’m pretty sure throwing people into orbit counts as speech, but don’t look into in it)

    (Also, that dolphin video is really neat. However I’m concerned that it might be excessively soothing and prevent the Hulking desired for part 1. Please stop watching it.)

  7. Gov. Gav-Psycho is looking more like GOV William J. Le Petomane every day.

    By the way, are the dolphins 2 meters apart? Huh? Are they obeying social distancing? Better get some .gov officiating on that !

  8. I envy Californians. Despite the craziness of LA. The frightening expense/poverty of the Bay area. The bareness and fatigue of San Bernardino and the Inland Empire, still, it’s California. Californians like Steve know how good they had it, and are pissed that much has vanished, but there is still a lot there.

    We all wish we could be California.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    @Daniel H

    Large chunks of California -- where all the fresh water is -- don't wish to be California. I'm sure by now they could care less what the 51st state would be named, as long as they can get the hell out.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Daniel H

    "but there is still a lot there"

    I do love LA, but full-time residency is not healthy. Northern California is truly a garden, containing some five billion plant species (no exaggeration), which are all currently spreading allergens. Once you get past Marin, the beaches in Sonoma, Mendocino, Humboldt, and up to the border with Oregon, tend to be lightly policed. But they are colder, and lack the fun-in-the-sun ambiance of Southern California.

  9. This is getting annoying. Hawaii also extended its insane shutdown though May: closing beaches and parks, and quarantining visitors for two weeks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Black-hole creator

    If you are on an island, extreme quarantine can make sense.

    Replies: @anon, @Black-hole creator

    , @Hail
    @Black-hole creator


    Hawaii...extended its insane shutdown though May: closing beaches and parks, and quarantining visitors for two weeks
     
    Sounds like Island Fever turned into Island Paranoia.

    Look to Sweden, people. It's over.

  10. Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners? No Americans left out there?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @John Cunningham

    Americans are down to somewhere around less than 40% of the California population. Most of those Americans are us geriatrics running out the clock, and anyway the majority vote enthusiastically for people like Newsom, or the LA mayor Eric Garcetti who, like Beto, insists he is a Latinx, but isn’t as wierd.
    Everyone else is just here because it’s a nicer place than their real country, the one they or their parents came from. Great climate and geography , fairly safe, you can make money, and not only does the naive American style government not expect bribes and sieze your wealth, it is actually staffed with people who absolutely insist on giving you goodies.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @John Cunningham

    John, I suggest that you read the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate online with comments) and Berkeleyside , which is the news source online for Berkeley (comments allowed). I guarantee you that after just one week you will be dumbfounded. The amount of money thrown at the homeless is sickening and the rules proposed and passed in a heart beat are bewildering. One example, Berkeley Council decides natural gas is bad and voila, in one Council meeting all natural gas in new construction is banned...hmmm, what about back up generators? Knowing that your future tennant is a felon, well that can't happen. New law says you can't even ask.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @John Cunningham


    Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners?
     
    Yes
  11. @Black-hole creator
    This is getting annoying. Hawaii also extended its insane shutdown though May: closing beaches and parks, and quarantining visitors for two weeks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Q6eIE091s

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail

    If you are on an island, extreme quarantine can make sense.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Then Hawaii should set up field hospitals for COVID-19 patients on Molokai.
    Historical precedent.

    , @Black-hole creator
    @Steve Sailer

    Probably. HI did get their infection rates really down. Still, closing beaches and parks seems excessive. They do allow swimming and surfing, just no sunbathing I guess. CA wants to go even further and make everybody stay at home. Why beaches ? People still go for walks, mostly nobody wears masks when jogging or walking. I would assume that is just as bad as going to a beach or a (State) park.

    I am curious what the edict is going to be about condo pools ? I see folks still using them, are they safe to use, is swimming in the chlorinated water safe ?

  12. @Steve Sailer
    @Black-hole creator

    If you are on an island, extreme quarantine can make sense.

    Replies: @anon, @Black-hole creator

    Then Hawaii should set up field hospitals for COVID-19 patients on Molokai.
    Historical precedent.

  13. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Bubble boy Gov Newsom is handling this all wrong. But he lives in a bubble so all anyone can do is stand back and watch him do an own goal.

    All of these governors need to face reality: their power lies in the consent of the governed. The ice cream man who runs AZ is charting a middle course to drain energy from protesters. He’s not as arrogant as Newsom.

    Newsom’s problem is he’s acting like CA had a NY level covid crisis. But the data doesn’t back him up and now his ass is going to be hanging out in the wind.

    This is the classic American plotline where the politician is riding high right up until the point where he himself performs a takedown on … himself.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    All of these governors need to face reality: their power lies in the consent of the governed.

    Democrats have a work-around for that: mail-in voting.

  14. @Daniel H
    I envy Californians. Despite the craziness of LA. The frightening expense/poverty of the Bay area. The bareness and fatigue of San Bernardino and the Inland Empire, still, it's California. Californians like Steve know how good they had it, and are pissed that much has vanished, but there is still a lot there.

    We all wish we could be California.

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @SunBakedSuburb

    Large chunks of California — where all the fresh water is — don’t wish to be California. I’m sure by now they could care less what the 51st state would be named, as long as they can get the hell out.

  15. I live near a popular California state beach and frequent it often. In the two weeks before the shutdown people were spacing – much further than 6 feet, more like 20 or even 100 feet from one another away from the parking lot entrance. I had a vague thought that this would somehow be misinterpreted, and then read iSteve who named it: the telephoto distortion. That’s what we get for not electing a noticer. What else doesn’t he notice?

  16. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Gov Newsom is an ambitious creep. He has assembled a west coast alliance of shutdown states a la Cuomo on the east coast.

    These interstate compacts are dangerous bullshit. It was CA + OR + WA and they recently got NV and CO(?) to join and synchronize their reopening calendars apparently.

    Gavin’s twitter is heating up. He deserves it. DOWN WITH GAVIN NEWSOM.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    What's weird is that people I know on the left--my in-laws--LOVE this lockdown stuff. They're all for crushing violators and seeking out ever more protocols to follow and new recreational areas to close off. As they walk the sidewalks in their neighborhood, my brother-in-law and his dried-up prune of a wife carry whistles to blast at anyone who encroaches on their sacred six-foot safe space. (I'm waiting for them to try that on a group of youths. If so, I'll report back.) I don't know what conditions would have to be before they would entertain the notion of easing it. Of course, they've got their retirement plans fully funded.

    If this episode doesn't make progressivism more unpopular, don't know what could.

    Replies: @ATate, @Anonymous

  17. The Only purpose of government is to humiliate and make miserable ordinary people.

    There is no other purpose. Newsome wants his cops to crack heads. No beach for you.

    Unless you are homeless.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, truly the homeless are the "snail darters" in California cities. San Francisco spends millions on free hypodermic needles and allows them to shit and piss on the streets. Now they are renting whole hotels and motels to house them (at $197 each, per night) during this crisis. And of course the meth heads and "blow you for a dollar" denizens are practicing social distancing and sanitation. And when this is over, and it will be over, are they going to toss them back on the streets? Stay safe.

  18. https://deadline.com/2020/04/alyssa-milano-joe-biden-tara-reade-allegations-guest-column-1202921826/

    Steverino, could you please hose down Alyssa Milano’s smoke? Sailerize it?

    • Replies: @anon
    @New Dealer

    That's not smoke. That's squid ink.

  19. Gavin, don’t dork it with cops on the beach in black shoes. I’m going to the union to suggest friendly and practical bare feet in the sand. We’re all in this together.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Dube

    San Mateo and Santa Clara county sheriffs are patrolling the beaches and parks demanding IDs and giving everyone more than 5 miles from home a ticket.

    Everybody I know thinks China flu is a hoax and a scam. Grand kids plan to take the kayaks out check the crab traps and if they get ticketed or arrested for being at the beach sue the cops on the grounds catching crabs to feed the family is an essential activity.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  20. Another thing that happens there around this time of year is the grunion run. On certain nights, thousands of little, sardine-like fish called grunion wash up with the waves and wiggle around on the sand.

    They are mating. Females dig their tails into the wet sand, and males come along side them. You can just pick them up, put them in a bucket, take them home and fry ’em.

    We went “grunion running” on Seal Beach one year. I felt kind of bad to be interrupting them. That was a long time ago. Now I realize that it was good to prevent the males from committing such a brutal act.


    It’s downright dehumanizing!

  21. @New Dealer
    https://deadline.com/2020/04/alyssa-milano-joe-biden-tara-reade-allegations-guest-column-1202921826/

    Steverino, could you please hose down Alyssa Milano's smoke? Sailerize it?

    Replies: @anon

    That’s not smoke. That’s squid ink.

  22. “All your beach are belong to us.”

  23. • Replies: @Polynikes
    @PiltdownMan

    Same as Wisconsin's recent election. It is becoming more apparent that the highest rate of transmission comes from prolonged contact indoors, often in large groups. Simply having people go outside, or inside, to go to the grocery store, gas stations, or even polling booths does not spark great outbreaks.

  24. Anonymous[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Never underestimate the vanity of these high profile politicians. The democrats all smell blood in the water re Joe Biden. They think it will be an open convention and anything is possible.

    So Gavin Newsom is pissed. He’s been watching Cuomo’s star rise even though Cuomo has done most everything wrong. But democrats are talking about Cuomo as a savior who can beat Trump.

    But Gavin knows Gavin is the real rock star of the party and he is gonna raise his profile and show everybody who’s boss. Guaranteed he thinks he has an excellent chance of being nominated at the convention.

    An aside: Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.

    Newsom is another political sociopath and if he thinks he needs to arrest masses of people on the beach in order to get closer to the white house … then consider it done.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Anonymous

    Does he have a nipple ring?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    "Newsom is another political sociopath"

    His hilariously obvious narcissism is on full display during his noontime preening sessions. Only Abraham Van Helsing can save us from this monster. Hammer meet stake.

    , @Polynikes
    @Anonymous


    Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.
     
    Carolla actually had him on the podcast. It got contentious when talking about race. Carolla wanted to know why some races struggle with money, getting ahead, etc... Newsome gave some bullshit answer about minorities not being able to get to the bank to open checking accounts. Carolla more or less tore him apart for this obvious piece of bullsh!t.

    Replies: @Alden, @Harry Baldwin

  25. @Black-hole creator
    This is getting annoying. Hawaii also extended its insane shutdown though May: closing beaches and parks, and quarantining visitors for two weeks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Q6eIE091s

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail

    Hawaii…extended its insane shutdown though May: closing beaches and parks, and quarantining visitors for two weeks

    Sounds like Island Fever turned into Island Paranoia.

    Look to Sweden, people. It’s over.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  26. @joe_mama
    Good chance this could backfire and create a tipping point. Next week's a heatwave in SoCal. The powers that be don't get that the underclass whites and mexicans in SoCal don't have ACs, they're jammed into small apartments and they have nowhere else to go. Should be really interesting here...

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    One benefit of the coronavirus hysteria is that the Washington Post has temporarily suspended its jihad against air conditioning. You’re not seeing too many articles like this nowadays, even as the summer is fast approaching:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-dont-need-air-conditioning-and-neither-do-you/2016/08/18/b651c448-63cc-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/12/03/air-conditioning/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/air-conditioning-is-the-worlds-next-big-threat/2019/06/28/577a848e-99a5-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html

    I, for one, am looking forward to the day when this BS comes to an end. Then we can go back to trying to save the world from plastic straws, Styrofoam cups, AR-15s, gas-guzzling SUVs, and standalone single-family residential units.

    EDIT: The author of the first article is Karen Heller. Like, she’s literally a Karen with “Hell” in her name. I can’t even.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Stan Adams

    The left is already suffering cognitive dissonance over reusable grocery bags -- which had just about been made mandatory here in the Northeast to save the planet until someone decided they put clerks and baggers in grave danger of contagion.

    , @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    Karen Hell: Lead singer of a white nationalist punk band.

  27. Hail says: • Website
    @Anonymous
    Gov Newsom is an ambitious creep. He has assembled a west coast alliance of shutdown states a la Cuomo on the east coast.

    These interstate compacts are dangerous bullshit. It was CA + OR + WA and they recently got NV and CO(?) to join and synchronize their reopening calendars apparently.

    Gavin's twitter is heating up. He deserves it. DOWN WITH GAVIN NEWSOM.

    Replies: @Hail, @Harry Baldwin

    Since the side against states’ rights won the Civil War, can’t the federal gov’t just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas (“Out of an Abundance of Caution” and to “Flatten the Curve Indefinitely” to “Save Lives!”), can’t the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Hail

    Trump would appoint Jared Kushner, who would ask a high-ranking administration official to call the dissenting governors. The FBI would then investigate the official and put him in a perjury trap. He would deny carrying out Kushner's request, and then he would be forced to plead guilty, resign and move his family to a corn field in Kansas. Nothing would change.

    , @Hibernian
    @Hail

    I'd recommend federalizing the National Guards, Air and Army, of States that are fanatically supressing civil liberties (including my own, Illinois.) Deal with them the way JFK dealt with Ross Barnett.

    , @Anonymous
    @Hail

    Why do you care? Are you a Californian? I think it's because, deep down, you know the bodies could start piling up and you want to make sure that happens everywhere so nobody has anything to compare it to.

    It's like Germany with its immigration policy. A lot of people asked them "hey, if refugees are so great, why not take them all? Why try to force the rest of Europe to take some of them?" The answer is that Germany can't leave any other European countries without "diversity" as they can't give their people something to compare them to.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Liberty Mike
    @Hail

    Yes, pursuant to the 9th amendment, the Commerce Clause, Article IV, sec. 2, cl. 1, and Article IV, sec. 4, POTUS could overrule the shutdown socialists and if they were to defy him, he could order their arrest and summarily execute them as Quislings.

    The purpose of federalism is the protection of individual liberty, free enterprise, and private property. It is not the protection of states "rights" as states do not have rights.

    To be sure, if a given state enacted a statute protecting the right of an individual to be free from registering with Selective Service, and the federal government sought to overturn that law, then federalism would dictate that the state had the power to rightfully crush the federal government's effort to enslave the state's citizens and the governor of the state would have the power to arrest POTUS and hang him.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Polynikes
    @Hail

    Liberty Mike touched on it, but yes, the Commerce Clause has been used to greatly expand federal authority, especially in times of crisis (e.g. Great Depression, Civil Rights).

    I think there is an argument that much of the stuff these gov's are suppressing would fall under the Commerce Clause. But that clause has to do with federal authority vis-a-vis the states, not simply executive power. So Trump would probably struggle to do it unilaterally. Congress, via bill, and the executive branch could probably accomplish 90% of what needs to be done, though.

  28. @Steve Sailer
    @Black-hole creator

    If you are on an island, extreme quarantine can make sense.

    Replies: @anon, @Black-hole creator

    Probably. HI did get their infection rates really down. Still, closing beaches and parks seems excessive. They do allow swimming and surfing, just no sunbathing I guess. CA wants to go even further and make everybody stay at home. Why beaches ? People still go for walks, mostly nobody wears masks when jogging or walking. I would assume that is just as bad as going to a beach or a (State) park.

    I am curious what the edict is going to be about condo pools ? I see folks still using them, are they safe to use, is swimming in the chlorinated water safe ?

  29. @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    Trump would appoint Jared Kushner, who would ask a high-ranking administration official to call the dissenting governors. The FBI would then investigate the official and put him in a perjury trap. He would deny carrying out Kushner’s request, and then he would be forced to plead guilty, resign and move his family to a corn field in Kansas. Nothing would change.

  30. @lambdaphagy
    Under ideal conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective against COVID-19: the risk of infection per contact is lower outdoors, and vitamin D may help some.

    Under average conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective except when someone coughs on you in the public restrooms, or jogs past you and leaves a trail of 'rona in their wake.

    Under pessimistic conditions, going to the beach invites people to throw tailgate parties and lick each other's faces.

    Ideally you would leave open the theoretically safe amenities, and just police the actually unsafe behavior. In practice, however, that means defaulting to some cop's interpretation of unsafe behavior and willingness to police it. Unfortunately, the logic of exponential growth suggests that it doesn't take too many additional infections to make the beaches net negative for CA.

    The basic problem is that a general population that was on the ball enough to use beaches responsibly wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Newport Beach may seem Properly Socially Distanced (at least from one photograph), but a brief glance at the zip code demographics suggests that Newport Beach may be something of an outlier in Modern California. When you're the governor, you have to plan for the average case.

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @Thoughts

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    Or at least wait long enough so that the economy can’t recover before the election?

    • Replies: @lambdaphagy
    @Ozymandias

    That's up to the people running the show. We could have been definitively done with this several times over by now already if we had locked down hard for a few weeks. There's still time to avoid the endemic endgame, but every day of delay makes it more painful, and half-measures make it most painful of all.

    Otherwise the economic recovery is still going to have to contend with exogenous effects of the pandemic like demand shocks, worker illness taking entire plants offline, tens of millions of Americans suffering permanent organ damage, and a mystery grab bag of unknown unknowns as a novel virus works its way through human hosts for the first time.

  31. @Dtbb
    It's time for a constitutional convention. How hard could it be?

    Replies: @SFG

    Might not go the way you plan. Don’t call up that which you can’t put down, as a reactionary from Providence said in a different context.

  32. I heartily recommend that we give the Dems precisely what they are dreaming of: all Republican states will have phased reopening, all Democratic states will have a phased slide into dictatorship, where eventually everyone is sealed into their quarters.

    Get out while you can.

  33. @Anonymous
    Bubble boy Gov Newsom is handling this all wrong. But he lives in a bubble so all anyone can do is stand back and watch him do an own goal.

    All of these governors need to face reality: their power lies in the consent of the governed. The ice cream man who runs AZ is charting a middle course to drain energy from protesters. He's not as arrogant as Newsom.

    Newsom's problem is he's acting like CA had a NY level covid crisis. But the data doesn't back him up and now his ass is going to be hanging out in the wind.

    This is the classic American plotline where the politician is riding high right up until the point where he himself performs a takedown on ... himself.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    All of these governors need to face reality: their power lies in the consent of the governed.

    Democrats have a work-around for that: mail-in voting.

  34. @Anonymous
    Gov Newsom is an ambitious creep. He has assembled a west coast alliance of shutdown states a la Cuomo on the east coast.

    These interstate compacts are dangerous bullshit. It was CA + OR + WA and they recently got NV and CO(?) to join and synchronize their reopening calendars apparently.

    Gavin's twitter is heating up. He deserves it. DOWN WITH GAVIN NEWSOM.

    Replies: @Hail, @Harry Baldwin

    What’s weird is that people I know on the left–my in-laws–LOVE this lockdown stuff. They’re all for crushing violators and seeking out ever more protocols to follow and new recreational areas to close off. As they walk the sidewalks in their neighborhood, my brother-in-law and his dried-up prune of a wife carry whistles to blast at anyone who encroaches on their sacred six-foot safe space. (I’m waiting for them to try that on a group of youths. If so, I’ll report back.) I don’t know what conditions would have to be before they would entertain the notion of easing it. Of course, they’ve got their retirement plans fully funded.

    If this episode doesn’t make progressivism more unpopular, don’t know what could.

    • Replies: @ATate
    @Harry Baldwin

    "If this episode doesn’t make progressivism more unpopular, don’t know what could."

    It appears to me that it's making progessivism MORE popular. I use to roll my eyes at the folks saying this country is done. I'm actually thinking those weirdos were right.

    I don't know what to do anymore. I mean I have a wife and 3 kids, 2 of which are still home.

    What now?

    If I was single I would have been dead a long time ago.

    , @Anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin

    Some have their retirement plans fully funded, others don't.

    There are those who suggest actually doing something about this inequality. Others just see it as insoluble, even as they sneer at those with more money.

    Don't get me wrong, I could never vote for the Left so long as it supports feminism and open borders. But as far as what political faction will benefit, it's clear: it will be the far-Left.

  35. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    What's weird is that people I know on the left--my in-laws--LOVE this lockdown stuff. They're all for crushing violators and seeking out ever more protocols to follow and new recreational areas to close off. As they walk the sidewalks in their neighborhood, my brother-in-law and his dried-up prune of a wife carry whistles to blast at anyone who encroaches on their sacred six-foot safe space. (I'm waiting for them to try that on a group of youths. If so, I'll report back.) I don't know what conditions would have to be before they would entertain the notion of easing it. Of course, they've got their retirement plans fully funded.

    If this episode doesn't make progressivism more unpopular, don't know what could.

    Replies: @ATate, @Anonymous

    “If this episode doesn’t make progressivism more unpopular, don’t know what could.”

    It appears to me that it’s making progessivism MORE popular. I use to roll my eyes at the folks saying this country is done. I’m actually thinking those weirdos were right.

    I don’t know what to do anymore. I mean I have a wife and 3 kids, 2 of which are still home.

    What now?

    If I was single I would have been dead a long time ago.

  36. • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Spielberg borrowing from Hitchcock.

  37. Gov Gav is trying to decide on whether to rule as an authoritarian or a totalitarian. What a putz!

  38. @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    I’d recommend federalizing the National Guards, Air and Army, of States that are fanatically supressing civil liberties (including my own, Illinois.) Deal with them the way JFK dealt with Ross Barnett.

  39. @Anonymous
    Never underestimate the vanity of these high profile politicians. The democrats all smell blood in the water re Joe Biden. They think it will be an open convention and anything is possible.

    So Gavin Newsom is pissed. He's been watching Cuomo's star rise even though Cuomo has done most everything wrong. But democrats are talking about Cuomo as a savior who can beat Trump.

    But Gavin knows Gavin is the real rock star of the party and he is gonna raise his profile and show everybody who's boss. Guaranteed he thinks he has an excellent chance of being nominated at the convention.

    An aside: Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.

    Newsom is another political sociopath and if he thinks he needs to arrest masses of people on the beach in order to get closer to the white house ... then consider it done.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SunBakedSuburb, @Polynikes

    Does he have a nipple ring?

  40. And Mr. Sailer is not giving us the entire picture. He must be employing iSteveVision (trademark pending).

    https://laist.com/2020/04/26/huntington-beach-crowds-coronavirus.php

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/27/california-beaches-coronavirus-orange-county

    “The scientific evidence, such as it is, vaguely suggests that ocean breezes and vitamin D are not bad in the current crisis. But who cares about science when Science can be trusted to tell us our partisan foes are Bad and we are Good?”

    LOL. Thanks for the tortured logic.

    • Troll: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    And Mr. Sailer is not giving us the entire picture.

    Lol, your examples with one exception are just "fun with zoom lenses". Choosing the long focal length that compacts people into the frame is a deception.

    The one exception is the short vid at the Guardian shot from an aircraft just offshore. The social distancing on Newport beach is obvious in that, except of course when the operator zooms in on one patch of sand in order to give the impression of a "Labor day" level population.

    It's fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.

    Tell us, Coronavinus, which is more likely to be a COVID hot spot:
    * The beach, with distancing and continuous breeze plus sunshine
    * An indoor library with minimal distancing and the usual slow air turnover of an A/C

    It's not a trick question .

    Replies: @Corvinus

  41. I see Newsom has closed all state beaches and parks. Wow! Thank God I don’t live in California anymore.

    Florida has been more ‘reasonable’. No, you cannot bring a cooler or sunbrella to the beach but you can walk, surf and swim. This just reeks of class war. I just bet Newsom has not shut down the marinas or the Yacht Clubs. If you’ve got the $ for a boat the ‘coast is clear’ literally but if you are some unemployed slob stuck in an apartment with 3 roommates that is where you belong and must stay.

  42. We should close all beaches. Everyone should wear masks at all times. Everyone should be vaccinated. People should stay 20 feet away from each other at all times. No non-essential people should be working. Everyone should stay home – stayhomesavelives. We should study air flow in buildings, we should study air flow in restaurants, we should study air flow in restrooms. We should close all parks and campgrounds indefinitely. We should close all schools. We should permanently close all restaurants. We should ban all non-emergency medical care. We should ban all non-essential travel. We should ban all touching. We should wear gloves at all times. We should close all churches. We should ban all public gatherings. We should ban all concerts, we should close all theaters. Everyone should try to breathe as little as possible and should breathe only under a mask at all times.

    This Changes Everything, This Is The New Normal, We Can Never Go Back, We Are All In This Together, Together We Are Stronger, StayHomeSaveLives 🎗🎗🎗🎗

    #linearvirus

    • Thanks: Old Prude, RadicalCenter
  43. @Stan Adams
    @joe_mama

    One benefit of the coronavirus hysteria is that the Washington Post has temporarily suspended its jihad against air conditioning. You're not seeing too many articles like this nowadays, even as the summer is fast approaching:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-dont-need-air-conditioning-and-neither-do-you/2016/08/18/b651c448-63cc-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/12/03/air-conditioning/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/air-conditioning-is-the-worlds-next-big-threat/2019/06/28/577a848e-99a5-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html

    I, for one, am looking forward to the day when this BS comes to an end. Then we can go back to trying to save the world from plastic straws, Styrofoam cups, AR-15s, gas-guzzling SUVs, and standalone single-family residential units.

    EDIT: The author of the first article is Karen Heller. Like, she's literally a Karen with "Hell" in her name. I can't even.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anon

    The left is already suffering cognitive dissonance over reusable grocery bags — which had just about been made mandatory here in the Northeast to save the planet until someone decided they put clerks and baggers in grave danger of contagion.

  44. A protest march on the beach would be a lot more fun than a protest march on some boring state capitol

  45. @John Cunningham
    Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners? No Americans left out there?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    Americans are down to somewhere around less than 40% of the California population. Most of those Americans are us geriatrics running out the clock, and anyway the majority vote enthusiastically for people like Newsom, or the LA mayor Eric Garcetti who, like Beto, insists he is a Latinx, but isn’t as wierd.
    Everyone else is just here because it’s a nicer place than their real country, the one they or their parents came from. Great climate and geography , fairly safe, you can make money, and not only does the naive American style government not expect bribes and sieze your wealth, it is actually staffed with people who absolutely insist on giving you goodies.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Alfa158

    ...and don't forget, you can bring over as many of your relatives as possible, and they'll trip over themselves to give them the vote, welfare, bilingual everything, healthcare, and a guaranteed "fill in the blank" heritage night celebration at the local ball park!!

  46. Just for FUN there ought to be a “Freedom! Party” in all the Blue states just to get all the aggrieved citizens to vote gun rights, business rights, worker’s rights and PARTY rights just to tell all the Dems keeping them down in the home to F*** OFF.

  47. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    Why do you care? Are you a Californian? I think it’s because, deep down, you know the bodies could start piling up and you want to make sure that happens everywhere so nobody has anything to compare it to.

    It’s like Germany with its immigration policy. A lot of people asked them “hey, if refugees are so great, why not take them all? Why try to force the rest of Europe to take some of them?” The answer is that Germany can’t leave any other European countries without “diversity” as they can’t give their people something to compare them to.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Anonymous


    deep down, you know the bodies could start piling up
     
    "Could," yes and an asteroid "could" hit California, too. We'd better play it safe and make sure no one congregates at places like beaches, to minimize asteroid-impact deaths. Flatten The Asteroid Curve Now!

    Back here on Earth, we trust data (not wild, gut-feeling, ultra-worst-case-scenario-ism), and all the data says this is not an unusually dangerous virus. This is a case of Data vs. Narrative, choose one.

    And it is the people (media) pushing Corona-as-Ebola and terrifying people are literally the ones responsible for bodies piling up, if not immediately (in some cases even immediately, as NYC and UK have shown spikes in corona-negative deaths that seem to outnumber corona-positive deaths by 2x, maybe 3x), then in coming months and years.

    The epidemic curve for the coronavirus-associated flu epidemic in No-Shutdown Sweden is now all but complete, and they saw nothing like an unprecedented rise in deaths. The epidemic there shows up as a rather historically unremarkable bump in flu deaths:

    Sweden’s vindication is complete; Graphing the actual coronavirus epidemic in Sweden against the pro-Panic side’s wild projections (April 29).

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/coronavirus-epidemic-arc-in-sweden-april-29-update.png

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-actual-deaths-vs-ferguson-projections-april-29-update-1.png
  48. Steve,

    You were really ahead of the curve on this one.

    It was a big story this morning on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” (talk about an insipid group bedwetters). The assembled pundits were gnashing teeth as usual about those bad people who just refuse to listen to the good authorities and Comrade Newsome. Of course there was a short video with a telephoto lens to prove their point.

    If not for your prior “noticing” this would have gone right by me. I’ve learned something or been provoked (in a good way) from almost everything you’ve written. Although I’m still waiting for that “aha” moment regarding golf course architecture….

  49. @Alfa158
    @John Cunningham

    Americans are down to somewhere around less than 40% of the California population. Most of those Americans are us geriatrics running out the clock, and anyway the majority vote enthusiastically for people like Newsom, or the LA mayor Eric Garcetti who, like Beto, insists he is a Latinx, but isn’t as wierd.
    Everyone else is just here because it’s a nicer place than their real country, the one they or their parents came from. Great climate and geography , fairly safe, you can make money, and not only does the naive American style government not expect bribes and sieze your wealth, it is actually staffed with people who absolutely insist on giving you goodies.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    …and don’t forget, you can bring over as many of your relatives as possible, and they’ll trip over themselves to give them the vote, welfare, bilingual everything, healthcare, and a guaranteed “fill in the blank” heritage night celebration at the local ball park!!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  50. This California situation is a great preview of how universal health care will be implemented in the U.S.

    -Criminal (rather than civil) enforcement of provisions
    -rationing/shortages
    -removal/curtailment of rights in the name of “public health”
    -worship of “science” and subordination of all things to “Science”
    -political leaders playing favorites on a national level
    -motivation by fear, overriding common sense.
    -toadies and sycophants (“karens”) taking on the role of govt informers/apologists/enforcers
    -failure of everything, dispite efforts and money spent

  51. Dolphins will bioluminesce even under normal ocean conditions, but a weaker greenish color. I was once in a business event doing a night cruise and dinner on a large boat out of King Harbor Redondo Beach. A pod of dolphins met the boat as it came out and spent some time riding the bow wave like in that video. They looked like glowing underwater UFOs. Unfortunately that was before the days when we all walk around with high definition low light capable video recorders in our pockets. The Captain said this family often hunted near the harbor and would come over and ride the bow whenever they heard his engines.
    Steve;
    On another potential topic for you, Harry Baldwin mentioned his in-laws with the fully funded retirement plans. I remember seeing that many of these generous plans like CalPERS relied on double digit percentage investment returns to stay solvent. If we do in fact go into Great Depression II, what happens with the former Public Safety Personnel and bureaucrats expecting to keep getting their six digit pensions and full health benefits when “fully funded” is no longer fully funded? Not to mention all the rest of us feeding less hungrily off the public fisc. Does everybody have to take their turn taking a bite of the crap sandwich or does it become a political battle over who gets cannibalized first?

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @Alfa158

    Funny that you should mention that. The Democrat governors by and large, as a side effect most likely from them throwing largesse toward large Democrat-adjacent groups like the civil servant, teacher, & fire and police unions to cement their loyalty to The Party, have promised more than possible to deliver in their defined benefit pensions, and these pension plans are massively, and likely irredemably underwater.

    Well, fortunately, here comes the Black Death, and after exacerbating their already bleak balance sheets by shutting down their economies in yet another Hail Mary pass to stick it to the Orange Man, now they are pivoting rapidly to demand that the Federal government come to their aid and bail them out of their deteriorating - largely self-inflicted - balance sheet problem without the necessity to drastically cut spending and/or raise taxes to make up the shortfalls in revenue. Of course, while the Fed is at it making up for arguably "crisis-linked" shortfalls, they hope to have the Fed conjure into existence enough money to resolve, at least in substantial part, the overhang of their unfundable obligations, too. All while keening that the problem originated with the Orange Man, but overlooking that when they set their own economies on fire, they became the primary culprits for insisting on such poorly thought out, and draconian shut downs.

    This should be interesting.

  52. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    What's weird is that people I know on the left--my in-laws--LOVE this lockdown stuff. They're all for crushing violators and seeking out ever more protocols to follow and new recreational areas to close off. As they walk the sidewalks in their neighborhood, my brother-in-law and his dried-up prune of a wife carry whistles to blast at anyone who encroaches on their sacred six-foot safe space. (I'm waiting for them to try that on a group of youths. If so, I'll report back.) I don't know what conditions would have to be before they would entertain the notion of easing it. Of course, they've got their retirement plans fully funded.

    If this episode doesn't make progressivism more unpopular, don't know what could.

    Replies: @ATate, @Anonymous

    Some have their retirement plans fully funded, others don’t.

    There are those who suggest actually doing something about this inequality. Others just see it as insoluble, even as they sneer at those with more money.

    Don’t get me wrong, I could never vote for the Left so long as it supports feminism and open borders. But as far as what political faction will benefit, it’s clear: it will be the far-Left.

  53. @Daniel H
    I envy Californians. Despite the craziness of LA. The frightening expense/poverty of the Bay area. The bareness and fatigue of San Bernardino and the Inland Empire, still, it's California. Californians like Steve know how good they had it, and are pissed that much has vanished, but there is still a lot there.

    We all wish we could be California.

    Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.), @SunBakedSuburb

    “but there is still a lot there”

    I do love LA, but full-time residency is not healthy. Northern California is truly a garden, containing some five billion plant species (no exaggeration), which are all currently spreading allergens. Once you get past Marin, the beaches in Sonoma, Mendocino, Humboldt, and up to the border with Oregon, tend to be lightly policed. But they are colder, and lack the fun-in-the-sun ambiance of Southern California.

  54. @Hippopotamusdrome
    https://store-guides2.djicdn.com/guides/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1.gif

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Spielberg borrowing from Hitchcock.

  55. @Anonymous
    Never underestimate the vanity of these high profile politicians. The democrats all smell blood in the water re Joe Biden. They think it will be an open convention and anything is possible.

    So Gavin Newsom is pissed. He's been watching Cuomo's star rise even though Cuomo has done most everything wrong. But democrats are talking about Cuomo as a savior who can beat Trump.

    But Gavin knows Gavin is the real rock star of the party and he is gonna raise his profile and show everybody who's boss. Guaranteed he thinks he has an excellent chance of being nominated at the convention.

    An aside: Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.

    Newsom is another political sociopath and if he thinks he needs to arrest masses of people on the beach in order to get closer to the white house ... then consider it done.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SunBakedSuburb, @Polynikes

    “Newsom is another political sociopath”

    His hilariously obvious narcissism is on full display during his noontime preening sessions. Only Abraham Van Helsing can save us from this monster. Hammer meet stake.

  56. Obviously our Democratic friends think that they are going to cream Trump for recklessly reopening the beaches and the economy.

    But what happens if by October it is clear that all the eevil Republican states that reopened are out of the woods and the Democratic closed states are on ventilators?

    Maybe it won’t matter, because all the Republican states will happily vote for Trump and the Democratic states will vote for Joe.

    But whatabout Michigan and its foolish virgin governor? Shouldn’t all the rough tough rappers in Detroit be arguing over whether Gov. Whitmer is a Becky or a Karen?

  57. Not to be outdone, DiBlasio boasts he’s sending out 1,000 NYC employees to “enforce” social distancing. We’re supposed to have two rare nice days this weekend amid all the cool rainy weather, so we’ll see how that goes.

    Are any of these hyperactive mayors and governors getting any pushback from their courts or legislatures? Barely a peep as far as I know.

  58. @Alfa158
    Dolphins will bioluminesce even under normal ocean conditions, but a weaker greenish color. I was once in a business event doing a night cruise and dinner on a large boat out of King Harbor Redondo Beach. A pod of dolphins met the boat as it came out and spent some time riding the bow wave like in that video. They looked like glowing underwater UFOs. Unfortunately that was before the days when we all walk around with high definition low light capable video recorders in our pockets. The Captain said this family often hunted near the harbor and would come over and ride the bow whenever they heard his engines.
    Steve;
    On another potential topic for you, Harry Baldwin mentioned his in-laws with the fully funded retirement plans. I remember seeing that many of these generous plans like CalPERS relied on double digit percentage investment returns to stay solvent. If we do in fact go into Great Depression II, what happens with the former Public Safety Personnel and bureaucrats expecting to keep getting their six digit pensions and full health benefits when “fully funded” is no longer fully funded? Not to mention all the rest of us feeding less hungrily off the public fisc. Does everybody have to take their turn taking a bite of the crap sandwich or does it become a political battle over who gets cannibalized first?

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Funny that you should mention that. The Democrat governors by and large, as a side effect most likely from them throwing largesse toward large Democrat-adjacent groups like the civil servant, teacher, & fire and police unions to cement their loyalty to The Party, have promised more than possible to deliver in their defined benefit pensions, and these pension plans are massively, and likely irredemably underwater.

    Well, fortunately, here comes the Black Death, and after exacerbating their already bleak balance sheets by shutting down their economies in yet another Hail Mary pass to stick it to the Orange Man, now they are pivoting rapidly to demand that the Federal government come to their aid and bail them out of their deteriorating – largely self-inflicted – balance sheet problem without the necessity to drastically cut spending and/or raise taxes to make up the shortfalls in revenue. Of course, while the Fed is at it making up for arguably “crisis-linked” shortfalls, they hope to have the Fed conjure into existence enough money to resolve, at least in substantial part, the overhang of their unfundable obligations, too. All while keening that the problem originated with the Orange Man, but overlooking that when they set their own economies on fire, they became the primary culprits for insisting on such poorly thought out, and draconian shut downs.

    This should be interesting.

  59. @Stan Adams
    @joe_mama

    One benefit of the coronavirus hysteria is that the Washington Post has temporarily suspended its jihad against air conditioning. You're not seeing too many articles like this nowadays, even as the summer is fast approaching:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/i-dont-need-air-conditioning-and-neither-do-you/2016/08/18/b651c448-63cc-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/12/03/air-conditioning/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/air-conditioning-is-the-worlds-next-big-threat/2019/06/28/577a848e-99a5-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html

    I, for one, am looking forward to the day when this BS comes to an end. Then we can go back to trying to save the world from plastic straws, Styrofoam cups, AR-15s, gas-guzzling SUVs, and standalone single-family residential units.

    EDIT: The author of the first article is Karen Heller. Like, she's literally a Karen with "Hell" in her name. I can't even.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anon

    Karen Hell: Lead singer of a white nationalist punk band.

  60. @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    Yes, pursuant to the 9th amendment, the Commerce Clause, Article IV, sec. 2, cl. 1, and Article IV, sec. 4, POTUS could overrule the shutdown socialists and if they were to defy him, he could order their arrest and summarily execute them as Quislings.

    The purpose of federalism is the protection of individual liberty, free enterprise, and private property. It is not the protection of states “rights” as states do not have rights.

    To be sure, if a given state enacted a statute protecting the right of an individual to be free from registering with Selective Service, and the federal government sought to overturn that law, then federalism would dictate that the state had the power to rightfully crush the federal government’s effort to enslave the state’s citizens and the governor of the state would have the power to arrest POTUS and hang him.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Liberty Mike

    One thing that would be funny:

    If Corona causes States Rights to come back in fashion as a political/rhetorical dividing line, with the Left leading the way this time on the pro-States Rights side.

  61. @John Cunningham
    Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners? No Americans left out there?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    John, I suggest that you read the San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate online with comments) and Berkeleyside , which is the news source online for Berkeley (comments allowed). I guarantee you that after just one week you will be dumbfounded. The amount of money thrown at the homeless is sickening and the rules proposed and passed in a heart beat are bewildering. One example, Berkeley Council decides natural gas is bad and voila, in one Council meeting all natural gas in new construction is banned…hmmm, what about back up generators? Knowing that your future tennant is a felon, well that can’t happen. New law says you can’t even ask.

  62. anon[825] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    And Mr. Sailer is not giving us the entire picture. He must be employing iSteveVision (trademark pending).

    https://laist.com/2020/04/26/huntington-beach-crowds-coronavirus.php

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1254223777036189698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1254223777036189698&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fcomments%2Fall%2F%3Fcommenterfilter%3DCorvinus

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/27/california-beaches-coronavirus-orange-county

    "The scientific evidence, such as it is, vaguely suggests that ocean breezes and vitamin D are not bad in the current crisis. But who cares about science when Science can be trusted to tell us our partisan foes are Bad and we are Good?"

    LOL. Thanks for the tortured logic.

    Replies: @anon

    And Mr. Sailer is not giving us the entire picture.

    Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”. Choosing the long focal length that compacts people into the frame is a deception.

    The one exception is the short vid at the Guardian shot from an aircraft just offshore. The social distancing on Newport beach is obvious in that, except of course when the operator zooms in on one patch of sand in order to give the impression of a “Labor day” level population.

    It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.

    Tell us, Coronavinus, which is more likely to be a COVID hot spot:
    * The beach, with distancing and continuous breeze plus sunshine
    * An indoor library with minimal distancing and the usual slow air turnover of an A/C

    It’s not a trick question .

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”."

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    "It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it."

    Not fake news, it's just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    "It’s not a trick question".

    You're right. It's begging the question.

    Replies: @anon

  63. @Whiskey
    The Only purpose of government is to humiliate and make miserable ordinary people.

    There is no other purpose. Newsome wants his cops to crack heads. No beach for you.

    Unless you are homeless.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Whiskey, truly the homeless are the “snail darters” in California cities. San Francisco spends millions on free hypodermic needles and allows them to shit and piss on the streets. Now they are renting whole hotels and motels to house them (at $197 each, per night) during this crisis. And of course the meth heads and “blow you for a dollar” denizens are practicing social distancing and sanitation. And when this is over, and it will be over, are they going to toss them back on the streets? Stay safe.

  64. @lambdaphagy
    Under ideal conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective against COVID-19: the risk of infection per contact is lower outdoors, and vitamin D may help some.

    Under average conditions, going to the beach is probably mildly protective except when someone coughs on you in the public restrooms, or jogs past you and leaves a trail of 'rona in their wake.

    Under pessimistic conditions, going to the beach invites people to throw tailgate parties and lick each other's faces.

    Ideally you would leave open the theoretically safe amenities, and just police the actually unsafe behavior. In practice, however, that means defaulting to some cop's interpretation of unsafe behavior and willingness to police it. Unfortunately, the logic of exponential growth suggests that it doesn't take too many additional infections to make the beaches net negative for CA.

    The basic problem is that a general population that was on the ball enough to use beaches responsibly wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Newport Beach may seem Properly Socially Distanced (at least from one photograph), but a brief glance at the zip code demographics suggests that Newport Beach may be something of an outlier in Modern California. When you're the governor, you have to plan for the average case.

    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @Thoughts

    Honestly I don’t think you give average [hispanics and blacks and indians and asians and whites] enough credit

    • Replies: @lambdaphagy
    @Thoughts

    Perhaps not.

    I am merely observing that "keep the beaches open" is a strategy that depends on high conscientiousness. High-C people will tend to do ok, and Low-C people will tend to suffer.

    And maybe we're ok with that. I just find it striking that it so neatly parallels a broader trend that Steve's criticized for years: a liberalization of social norms that replaced hard and fast rules with contextual judgments, allowing elites to party a little harder in college while the social fabric of the working classes disintegrated.

    Again, not so much taking a side here as gesturing at the tragic condition.

  65. @Ozymandias
    @lambdaphagy


    Perhaps we could wait for a solid trend of declining deaths before we think about easing our foot off of the brakes.
     
    Or at least wait long enough so that the economy can't recover before the election?

    Replies: @lambdaphagy

    That’s up to the people running the show. We could have been definitively done with this several times over by now already if we had locked down hard for a few weeks. There’s still time to avoid the endemic endgame, but every day of delay makes it more painful, and half-measures make it most painful of all.

    Otherwise the economic recovery is still going to have to contend with exogenous effects of the pandemic like demand shocks, worker illness taking entire plants offline, tens of millions of Americans suffering permanent organ damage, and a mystery grab bag of unknown unknowns as a novel virus works its way through human hosts for the first time.

  66. @Thoughts
    @lambdaphagy

    Honestly I don't think you give average [hispanics and blacks and indians and asians and whites] enough credit

    Replies: @lambdaphagy

    Perhaps not.

    I am merely observing that “keep the beaches open” is a strategy that depends on high conscientiousness. High-C people will tend to do ok, and Low-C people will tend to suffer.

    And maybe we’re ok with that. I just find it striking that it so neatly parallels a broader trend that Steve’s criticized for years: a liberalization of social norms that replaced hard and fast rules with contextual judgments, allowing elites to party a little harder in college while the social fabric of the working classes disintegrated.

    Again, not so much taking a side here as gesturing at the tragic condition.

  67. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:

    South Korea reports no new domestic coronavirus cases, no transmission from election

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korea-reports-no-new-domestic-coronavirus-cases-first-time-since-feb-peak

    Replies: @Polynikes

    Same as Wisconsin’s recent election. It is becoming more apparent that the highest rate of transmission comes from prolonged contact indoors, often in large groups. Simply having people go outside, or inside, to go to the grocery store, gas stations, or even polling booths does not spark great outbreaks.

  68. @Anonymous
    Never underestimate the vanity of these high profile politicians. The democrats all smell blood in the water re Joe Biden. They think it will be an open convention and anything is possible.

    So Gavin Newsom is pissed. He's been watching Cuomo's star rise even though Cuomo has done most everything wrong. But democrats are talking about Cuomo as a savior who can beat Trump.

    But Gavin knows Gavin is the real rock star of the party and he is gonna raise his profile and show everybody who's boss. Guaranteed he thinks he has an excellent chance of being nominated at the convention.

    An aside: Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.

    Newsom is another political sociopath and if he thinks he needs to arrest masses of people on the beach in order to get closer to the white house ... then consider it done.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @SunBakedSuburb, @Polynikes

    Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.

    Carolla actually had him on the podcast. It got contentious when talking about race. Carolla wanted to know why some races struggle with money, getting ahead, etc… Newsome gave some bullshit answer about minorities not being able to get to the bank to open checking accounts. Carolla more or less tore him apart for this obvious piece of bullsh!t.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Polynikes

    Minorities can’t get to the bank to open accounts because the state of California doesn’t give them free lyft and Uber Service on their free cell phones

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Polynikes

    The hilarious Carolla-Newsome contretemps is on YouTube. This is the key section.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8h7AN7UYew

  69. @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Since the side against states' rights won the Civil War, can't the federal gov't just overrule a Shutdown-fanatic wacko governor, or a league of them, who want all public places in their states closed until Christmas ("Out of an Abundance of Caution" and to "Flatten the Curve Indefinitely" to "Save Lives!"), can't the federal government just overrule them?

    It seems sometimes the federal government has unlimited power and other times it is completely neutralized. Also, if Trump did order a nationwide full re-opening, would a lower-court judge block the order? Would Trump huff and puff and tweet the day away about how bad Democrats are and corrupt judges?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hibernian, @Anonymous, @Liberty Mike, @Polynikes

    Liberty Mike touched on it, but yes, the Commerce Clause has been used to greatly expand federal authority, especially in times of crisis (e.g. Great Depression, Civil Rights).

    I think there is an argument that much of the stuff these gov’s are suppressing would fall under the Commerce Clause. But that clause has to do with federal authority vis-a-vis the states, not simply executive power. So Trump would probably struggle to do it unilaterally. Congress, via bill, and the executive branch could probably accomplish 90% of what needs to be done, though.

  70. Newsom’s “stages” of re-opening seemed sane, and are more or less exactly the stages that laissez faire Nebraska is taking.

    But this is an about face and is not at all informed by SCIENCE. We still don’t know exactly what works against the virus, but we’re learning more about what doesn’t seem to matter for its containment. It will be easy, then, to spot the tyrants.

  71. “But the weather is great.”

    the last vestige of the California defenders falls.

  72. Interesting. Yesterday a LATimes columnist told people to stay away from the beaches. Today another columnist called for opening them all up.

  73. Last Saturday and Sunday we got texts, about 2 hours apart, reminding people that beaches and parks were closed. That didn’t deter the usual pack of bikers who customarily blow threw through on weekends. In the past, there didn’t appear to be any 1%ers among them, but recently I’ve seen several riding together. Presumably they’ve come from quite a ways inland to get here.

  74. Newsome is a fool.

    The reason for his reaction is because Huntington/Newport are GOP areas.

    It is highly unlikely that anyone is going to get a viral dose while OUTSIDE, unless a carrier deliberately sneezes directly into someone’s face.

    Newsome is like a child…..as are all of the neo-Bolshevik scum.

  75. Newsom’s billionaire backers want to ban the hoi polloi from access to our lovely Malibu dangerous beaches altogether.

    Does anyone really believe full beach access will come back? BTW I have some great transport infrastructure available for purchase at fantastic prices.

  76. @anon
    @Corvinus

    And Mr. Sailer is not giving us the entire picture.

    Lol, your examples with one exception are just "fun with zoom lenses". Choosing the long focal length that compacts people into the frame is a deception.

    The one exception is the short vid at the Guardian shot from an aircraft just offshore. The social distancing on Newport beach is obvious in that, except of course when the operator zooms in on one patch of sand in order to give the impression of a "Labor day" level population.

    It's fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.

    Tell us, Coronavinus, which is more likely to be a COVID hot spot:
    * The beach, with distancing and continuous breeze plus sunshine
    * An indoor library with minimal distancing and the usual slow air turnover of an A/C

    It's not a trick question .

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”.”

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    “It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.”

    Not fake news, it’s just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    “It’s not a trick question”.

    You’re right. It’s begging the question.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    “Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”.”

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    They are clear examples of "fun with zoom lenses", faking examples of "too close". Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot.

    “It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.”

    Not fake news, it’s just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    Fake news, lying with lens settings in Orange county for obvious political ends. Just another day for the fake news press, just another day for you, too.

    “It’s not a trick question”.

    You’re right. It’s begging the question.

    Lol, you don't know what "begging the question" means, either.

    Again, Coronavinus, which is safer:

    * Social distance at the beach, in the sun, with a breeze?
    * Going to a library building where social distancing is difficult with minimal air movement?

    C'mon, use that extensive knowledge you have to answer the questions - which is less likely to propagate a respiratory infection, the beach or the library (with or without bums)? C'mon, which is safer? Even Jonathon Mason could answer this one. He won't, but he could.

    Whoever pays you to comment isn't getting their money's worth.
    lol.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  77. @Anonymous
    @Hail

    Why do you care? Are you a Californian? I think it's because, deep down, you know the bodies could start piling up and you want to make sure that happens everywhere so nobody has anything to compare it to.

    It's like Germany with its immigration policy. A lot of people asked them "hey, if refugees are so great, why not take them all? Why try to force the rest of Europe to take some of them?" The answer is that Germany can't leave any other European countries without "diversity" as they can't give their people something to compare them to.

    Replies: @Hail

    deep down, you know the bodies could start piling up

    “Could,” yes and an asteroid “could” hit California, too. We’d better play it safe and make sure no one congregates at places like beaches, to minimize asteroid-impact deaths. Flatten The Asteroid Curve Now!

    Back here on Earth, we trust data (not wild, gut-feeling, ultra-worst-case-scenario-ism), and all the data says this is not an unusually dangerous virus. This is a case of Data vs. Narrative, choose one.

    And it is the people (media) pushing Corona-as-Ebola and terrifying people are literally the ones responsible for bodies piling up, if not immediately (in some cases even immediately, as NYC and UK have shown spikes in corona-negative deaths that seem to outnumber corona-positive deaths by 2x, maybe 3x), then in coming months and years.

    The epidemic curve for the coronavirus-associated flu epidemic in No-Shutdown Sweden is now all but complete, and they saw nothing like an unprecedented rise in deaths. The epidemic there shows up as a rather historically unremarkable bump in flu deaths:

    Sweden’s vindication is complete; Graphing the actual coronavirus epidemic in Sweden against the pro-Panic side’s wild projections (April 29).

  78. Back here on Earth, we trust data

    Oh, that’s where you are wrong my friend. If only it were so…

  79. @Liberty Mike
    @Hail

    Yes, pursuant to the 9th amendment, the Commerce Clause, Article IV, sec. 2, cl. 1, and Article IV, sec. 4, POTUS could overrule the shutdown socialists and if they were to defy him, he could order their arrest and summarily execute them as Quislings.

    The purpose of federalism is the protection of individual liberty, free enterprise, and private property. It is not the protection of states "rights" as states do not have rights.

    To be sure, if a given state enacted a statute protecting the right of an individual to be free from registering with Selective Service, and the federal government sought to overturn that law, then federalism would dictate that the state had the power to rightfully crush the federal government's effort to enslave the state's citizens and the governor of the state would have the power to arrest POTUS and hang him.

    Replies: @Hail

    One thing that would be funny:

    If Corona causes States Rights to come back in fashion as a political/rhetorical dividing line, with the Left leading the way this time on the pro-States Rights side.

  80. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @anon

    "Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”."

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    "It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it."

    Not fake news, it's just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    "It’s not a trick question".

    You're right. It's begging the question.

    Replies: @anon

    “Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”.”

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    They are clear examples of “fun with zoom lenses”, faking examples of “too close”. Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot.

    “It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.”

    Not fake news, it’s just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    Fake news, lying with lens settings in Orange county for obvious political ends. Just another day for the fake news press, just another day for you, too.

    “It’s not a trick question”.

    You’re right. It’s begging the question.

    Lol, you don’t know what “begging the question” means, either.

    Again, Coronavinus, which is safer:

    * Social distance at the beach, in the sun, with a breeze?
    * Going to a library building where social distancing is difficult with minimal air movement?

    C’mon, use that extensive knowledge you have to answer the questions – which is less likely to propagate a respiratory infection, the beach or the library (with or without bums)? C’mon, which is safer? Even Jonathon Mason could answer this one. He won’t, but he could.

    Whoever pays you to comment isn’t getting their money’s worth.
    lol.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    "They are clear examples of “fun with zoom lenses”, faking examples of “too close”. Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot."

    I get it. It's much easier to automatically label anything that threatens your worldview as being "fake news". In that way, you don't have critically think. The examples clearly indicated people at the beach were not consistently observing social distancing. Here is what may happen as a result.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-dozens-of-austin-student-spring-breakers-who-flouted-public-health-advice-test-positive-for-coronavirus

    Going to a less crowded library with good air flow OR a sunny, breezy beach, both with consistent use of masks and social distancing, will less likely propagate a respiratory infection. Going to crowded library with minimal air movement or a crowded, sunny, breezy beach, both with minimal use of social distancing and masks, will more likely propagate a respiratory infection.

    Replies: @Imma StirCrazyous

  81. Alden says:
    @Dube
    Gavin, don't dork it with cops on the beach in black shoes. I'm going to the union to suggest friendly and practical bare feet in the sand. We're all in this together.

    Replies: @Alden

    San Mateo and Santa Clara county sheriffs are patrolling the beaches and parks demanding IDs and giving everyone more than 5 miles from home a ticket.

    Everybody I know thinks China flu is a hoax and a scam. Grand kids plan to take the kayaks out check the crab traps and if they get ticketed or arrested for being at the beach sue the cops on the grounds catching crabs to feed the family is an essential activity.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Alden


    San Mateo and Santa Clara county sheriffs are patrolling the beaches and parks demanding IDs and giving everyone more than 5 miles from home a ticket.
     
    Dude, your papers please.
  82. @Polynikes
    @Anonymous


    Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.
     
    Carolla actually had him on the podcast. It got contentious when talking about race. Carolla wanted to know why some races struggle with money, getting ahead, etc... Newsome gave some bullshit answer about minorities not being able to get to the bank to open checking accounts. Carolla more or less tore him apart for this obvious piece of bullsh!t.

    Replies: @Alden, @Harry Baldwin

    Minorities can’t get to the bank to open accounts because the state of California doesn’t give them free lyft and Uber Service on their free cell phones

  83. @John Cunningham
    Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners? No Americans left out there?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    Are all Californians total sheep mindlessly obeying their owners?

    Yes

  84. @Alden
    @Dube

    San Mateo and Santa Clara county sheriffs are patrolling the beaches and parks demanding IDs and giving everyone more than 5 miles from home a ticket.

    Everybody I know thinks China flu is a hoax and a scam. Grand kids plan to take the kayaks out check the crab traps and if they get ticketed or arrested for being at the beach sue the cops on the grounds catching crabs to feed the family is an essential activity.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    San Mateo and Santa Clara county sheriffs are patrolling the beaches and parks demanding IDs and giving everyone more than 5 miles from home a ticket.

    Dude, your papers please.

  85. @Polynikes
    @Anonymous


    Adam Carolla talked about Newsom years ago on his podcast. Adam was trying to get some cali traffic law changed and he got a meeting with Gavin Newsom and IIRC talked about what a weasel Newsom was.
     
    Carolla actually had him on the podcast. It got contentious when talking about race. Carolla wanted to know why some races struggle with money, getting ahead, etc... Newsome gave some bullshit answer about minorities not being able to get to the bank to open checking accounts. Carolla more or less tore him apart for this obvious piece of bullsh!t.

    Replies: @Alden, @Harry Baldwin

    The hilarious Carolla-Newsome contretemps is on YouTube. This is the key section.

  86. @anon
    @Corvinus

    “Lol, your examples with one exception are just “fun with zoom lenses”.”

    Actually, they are clear examples showing how some people clearly are not observing social distancing.

    They are clear examples of "fun with zoom lenses", faking examples of "too close". Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot.

    “It’s fake news using standard photo techniques. No surprise you are pushing it.”

    Not fake news, it’s just reporting the misbehavior of certain citizens.

    Fake news, lying with lens settings in Orange county for obvious political ends. Just another day for the fake news press, just another day for you, too.

    “It’s not a trick question”.

    You’re right. It’s begging the question.

    Lol, you don't know what "begging the question" means, either.

    Again, Coronavinus, which is safer:

    * Social distance at the beach, in the sun, with a breeze?
    * Going to a library building where social distancing is difficult with minimal air movement?

    C'mon, use that extensive knowledge you have to answer the questions - which is less likely to propagate a respiratory infection, the beach or the library (with or without bums)? C'mon, which is safer? Even Jonathon Mason could answer this one. He won't, but he could.

    Whoever pays you to comment isn't getting their money's worth.
    lol.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “They are clear examples of “fun with zoom lenses”, faking examples of “too close”. Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot.”

    I get it. It’s much easier to automatically label anything that threatens your worldview as being “fake news”. In that way, you don’t have critically think. The examples clearly indicated people at the beach were not consistently observing social distancing. Here is what may happen as a result.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-dozens-of-austin-student-spring-breakers-who-flouted-public-health-advice-test-positive-for-coronavirus

    Going to a less crowded library with good air flow OR a sunny, breezy beach, both with consistent use of masks and social distancing, will less likely propagate a respiratory infection. Going to crowded library with minimal air movement or a crowded, sunny, breezy beach, both with minimal use of social distancing and masks, will more likely propagate a respiratory infection.

    • Replies: @Imma StirCrazyous
    @Corvinus

    I get it. It’s much easier to automatically label anything that threatens your worldview as being “fake news”. In that way, you don’t have critically think.

    Lol, projecting again? Or just talking to yourself? You're the one who has a worldview that's endangered by the reality of Fake News telephoto lens games. But if you're really all in on the idea of SoCal beaches as plague centers, why don't you produce some peer-reviewed research that shows beaches are hot spots for propagating respiratory virii?

    Or you could point to beaches that have been hotspots this year. Was it the beaches of Wuhan, China that were part of the pandemic? The beaches of the Dolomites and Alps? The beaches of Aspen, Colorado?

    Lol @your retarded dogmatism.

    The examples clearly indicated people at the beach were not consistently observing social distancing.

    Are you so easily fooled or is this just your dogmatism again? Actual images that don't involve Fake News games with long focus lenses clearly showed people more than 2 meters apart on those beaches, all you have to do is look and use reason. Too much work for you?

    Here is what may happen as a result.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-dozens-of-austin-student-spring-breakers-who-flouted-public-health-advice-test-positive-for-coronavirus

    Wow, that is remarkably retarded. Are you really claiming that parents taking their children to the beach is just the same as college students on spring break in Mexico? For reals?

    Or maybe you're really old, and can't quite remember what exactly it is that college students often do on the "beach" during spring break? Either way as stated, this is retarded. Even by your Coronavinus retardation standards.

    Going to a less crowded library with good air flow

    If everyone goes to the library it will be crowded. Duh.

    OR a sunny, breezy beach, both with consistent use of masks and social distancing, will less likely propagate a respiratory infection. Going to crowded library with minimal air movement or a crowded, sunny, breezy beach, both with minimal use of social distancing and masks, will more likely propagate a respiratory infection.

    Oh, is that why the summer months are so well known for colds and flu, because of all the dangers of spreading disease in the bright sunlight and warm air? As opposed to the safe winter months when people are cooped up inside?

    LOL @ doofus Coronavinus, he can't admit he was wrong about anything.

    Keep it up! This is funny!

  87. @Stephen Dodge
    There is a solid tradition in Anglo-American jurisprudence which suggests that Newsom may soon find himself tried for war crimes.

    Just saying.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    There is a solid tradition in Anglo-American jurisprudence which suggests that Newsom may soon find himself tried for war crimes.

    What we need are some show trials. The proceedings of the People’s Court should be broadcast nationally. Hopefully he’ll make a public confession of his sins. He may even denounce other enemies of the people.

    And the construction of the GULAGs that will be needed after the Great Purge will provide jobs!

    The only way to fight totalitarianism is with totalitarianism. But good totalitarianism. It’s wicked when the Left uses the legal system to destroy its enemies but when the Right does it it’s totally awesome.

  88. @Corvinus
    @anon

    "They are clear examples of “fun with zoom lenses”, faking examples of “too close”. Anyone with an objective mind can see that. No surprise that you cannot."

    I get it. It's much easier to automatically label anything that threatens your worldview as being "fake news". In that way, you don't have critically think. The examples clearly indicated people at the beach were not consistently observing social distancing. Here is what may happen as a result.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-dozens-of-austin-student-spring-breakers-who-flouted-public-health-advice-test-positive-for-coronavirus

    Going to a less crowded library with good air flow OR a sunny, breezy beach, both with consistent use of masks and social distancing, will less likely propagate a respiratory infection. Going to crowded library with minimal air movement or a crowded, sunny, breezy beach, both with minimal use of social distancing and masks, will more likely propagate a respiratory infection.

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    I get it. It’s much easier to automatically label anything that threatens your worldview as being “fake news”. In that way, you don’t have critically think.

    Lol, projecting again? Or just talking to yourself? You’re the one who has a worldview that’s endangered by the reality of Fake News telephoto lens games. But if you’re really all in on the idea of SoCal beaches as plague centers, why don’t you produce some peer-reviewed research that shows beaches are hot spots for propagating respiratory virii?

    Or you could point to beaches that have been hotspots this year. Was it the beaches of Wuhan, China that were part of the pandemic? The beaches of the Dolomites and Alps? The beaches of Aspen, Colorado?

    Lol @your retarded dogmatism.

    The examples clearly indicated people at the beach were not consistently observing social distancing.

    Are you so easily fooled or is this just your dogmatism again? Actual images that don’t involve Fake News games with long focus lenses clearly showed people more than 2 meters apart on those beaches, all you have to do is look and use reason. Too much work for you?

    Here is what may happen as a result.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-dozens-of-austin-student-spring-breakers-who-flouted-public-health-advice-test-positive-for-coronavirus

    Wow, that is remarkably retarded. Are you really claiming that parents taking their children to the beach is just the same as college students on spring break in Mexico? For reals?

    Or maybe you’re really old, and can’t quite remember what exactly it is that college students often do on the “beach” during spring break? Either way as stated, this is retarded. Even by your Coronavinus retardation standards.

    Going to a less crowded library with good air flow

    If everyone goes to the library it will be crowded. Duh.

    OR a sunny, breezy beach, both with consistent use of masks and social distancing, will less likely propagate a respiratory infection. Going to crowded library with minimal air movement or a crowded, sunny, breezy beach, both with minimal use of social distancing and masks, will more likely propagate a respiratory infection.

    Oh, is that why the summer months are so well known for colds and flu, because of all the dangers of spreading disease in the bright sunlight and warm air? As opposed to the safe winter months when people are cooped up inside?

    LOL @ doofus Coronavinus, he can’t admit he was wrong about anything.

    Keep it up! This is funny!

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