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I’ve been saying for a long, long time that immigration policy is a very big deal for the future of my country. The GOP presidential candidates are now finally figuring that out. From the NYT:

G.O.P. Candidates Target Immigration Policy as Litmus Test in Presidential Race
By MAGGIE HABERMAN and MATT FLEGENHEIMER NOV. 12, 2015

A long-simmering debate over immigration in the Republican presidential contest boiled over on Thursday, as Senator Ted Cruz accused his colleague, Senator Marco Rubio, of “trying to jam this amnesty down the American people’s throats.”

From appearances on conservative talk radio to the campaign trail in South Carolina and New Hampshire, five Republican candidates jumped on the issue as they sought to appeal to grass-roots conservatives alarmed about immigration. And the eruption of open warfare between Mr. Rubio and Mr. Cruz, two candidates representing different wings of the party, showed the likely contours of the Republican presidential fight as it hurtles toward the Iowa caucuses in less than 90 days.

Immigration is a key vulnerability for Mr. Rubio, who was initially part of an effort in 2013 to formulate a bipartisan bill in the Senate to overhaul the immigration system. His subsequent moves to distance himself from his role in fashioning the bill have left some conservatives distrustful of his candidacy.

Mr. Cruz, in an appearance with the conservative radio host Laura Ingraham, denounced Mr. Rubio without using his name and by using a biblical allusion, saying: “You know where someone is based on their actions. As the Scripture says, you shall know them based on their fruits.”

The flare-up came as three other lower-polling candidates — Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky; Rick Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator; and Carly Fiorina, a former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard — joined the fight, piling on Mr. Rubio or Mr. Cruz as insufficiently pure on a key litmus test for segments of the Republican base.

The long-distance skirmishing illustrated the degree to which several candidates see immigration, which emerged as a key issue in the 2014 midterm elections, as the most potent weapon in their arsenal in a presidential contest that has been characterized by concerns about the direction of the country.

Yet, because of his work on the 2013 immigration reform effort, Mr. Rubio is more familiar with the nuances of the immigration debate than some of his rivals. When asked about Mr. Cruz’s critique while campaigning Thursday in South Carolina, Mr. Rubio sought to turn the tables, highlighting the Texas senator’s support of allowing more visas to bring foreign professionals with college degrees and specialized skills into the country.

“He supported a massive expansion of the H-1B program, a 500 percent increase,” he said. “So, if you look at it, I don’t think our positions are dramatically different. I do believe that we have to deal with immigration reform in a serious way, and it begins by proving to people that illegal immigration is under control.”

It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.

But instead in 2013 he signed up to lead what the Republican Brain Trust and its billionaire backers was telling him was a sure thing — Chuck Schumer’s amnesty bill — even though it was obviously nuts, both as policy and as politics.

Too bad.

 
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  1. I have some Republican friends who recently came away from their first Rubio fundraiser very unimpressed. There were complaints that he just did not have anything to say. He’s a good speaker in that sense, but as you say: not intelligent enough to lead a populist movement.

  2. It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he’s been for amnesty as well in the past. He’s clearly smarter than Rubio, but it’s possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven’t always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.

    • Agree: (((Owen))), (((Owen)))
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Exactly. While Rube-io represents all of FL, and undoubtedly much of the north would support immigration resitriction, Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it's far from Mexico. Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don't think they're a powerful force in any Latino community.
    , @27 year old
    We should be so lucky that cynics start taking hard line immigration stances to get elected.
    , @WhatEvvs
    I think Cruz is the smart pol who finally picked up that $1000 bill lying on the floor.
    , @iSteveFan

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami.
     
    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives. I know this because my immigrant parent told me so. In most cases the immigrant, such as my parent, is eager to ape the norms and ideals of the founding stock and has no qualms cutting themselves off from the Old World.

    However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.

    Second, Latin Americans are carrying a couple of huge chips on their shoulders. They have the embarrassment of knowing that their culture has utterly failed to create in the New World what the English people did, despite the fact that in many cases the Latin nations had superior climate and natural resources. Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel wrote:

    "For Latin Americans, it is an unbearable thought that a handful of Anglo-Saxons, arriving much later than the Spanish and in such a harsh climate that they barely survived the first few winters, would become the foremost power in the world. It would require an inconceivable effort of collective self-analysis [emphasis mine] for Latin Americans to face up to the fundamental causes of this disparity. This is why, though aware of the falsity of what they are saying, every Latin American politician and intellectual must repeat that all our troubles stem from North American imperialism."
     
    Additionally as others have pointed our here before, some Latin Americans still feel there is unfinished business from the rivalry between England and Spain that goes back to the sinking of the Armada.

    With this in mind I think it's conceivable that Rubio is a cultural imperialist. It wouldn't matter if he was richer or smarter, so long as he has strong ties to his immigrant community, and you did say he lives in Miami, he will probably feel this way. And it doesn't help that the GOP kneels down before him and promotes him ONLY because of his Latin American ancestry. It must be a confirmation to him that the tide has turned against the English.

    So long as immigration is mainly an issue concerning Latin Americans, a cultural imperialist like Rubio will do his level best to keep the gates open.
    , @Anonymous
    That's true, but Rubio also seems to not care that much and seems ambitious enough that he'd be willing to be anti-immigration if it meant being elected. But he also seems pretty lazy and not that willing to work very hard, and also has a lot of debt, and seems willing to do whatever his donors want.
  3. Like I have said in the past, I assume Sailer writes “esoterically” and I can read anything I want into a post.

    The NYT is talking about the 3rd and 4th place candidate in mid-Nov, when we are about a week, 10 days from the “acceleration time” of the Holidays, then 3 weeks after New Years and it’s on. And neither of these two guys has a prayer’s chance in hell of finishing in the top 2. The skewing of the primaries intentionally done in past years to benefit the front runner (who typical was GOPe’s guy) has almost insured that Trump will roar out Super Tuesday massively ahead. The states in the first primaries other than Iowa are exactly the toothless, low info voters that pundits claim are Trump people.

    They only thing they can hope is some self implosion. The latest prayer involves the Fort Dodge speech that they claim was a rant. I am at 57 minutes into the 1 hour 45 minute talk and I personally haven’t heard anything I would consider outrageous. He’s like a New York dad at Thanksgiving going off about shit he thinks is really messed up. Sure, if you aren’t a supporter, particularly if his ideas on immigration annoy or offend you, then you would hate this speech.

    To write about Rubio and Cruz at this point is slightly more relevant than speaking about Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes in Nov 1999. I had to look into Wikipedia to even get those names. They didn’t matter.

    The NYT will bend over backwards to avoid saying the T word and I am surprised they even wrote about the I word in the first place.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    People who have seen a lot of these races know that outsider candidates often fade just before Iowa. They also know that the low information voters in FL, SC, and NV usually start paying attention after IA.

    If Trump loses ground and doesn't win IA, the narrative will be what a loser Trump is and his support outside the tiny minority that follow things online will crater. That's why almost everyone who knows is predicting that Rubio will win the Republican nomination. Rubio has insider support in Washington that will re-inflate and re-inflate his narrative and chances in the national media again and again even if he loses several states. Meanwhile if Trump loses any states, the media will be talking him down nonstop as a lost cause.

    We've seen this before with insurgents. Remember Steve Forbes led the delegate count for a month in the middle of the '96 campaign and never got taken seriously as a candidate by the press. Howard Dean led in the polls for months in 2004. In both cases, the party insiders hated them and easily destroyed them in spite of money and support.

    One of the candidates will start putting up ads attacking Trump specifically. Could be Bush or his superpac. They'll hit him for being pro-choice for years and for wanting to work with Putin and for opposing endless wars in the Middle East and for wanting to have health care for poor people. Whichever sticks, they'll drive it home again and again. It won't help the guy who does it, but it might get him a cabinet job someday. Trump won't be able to hit back because the attacker is too low in the polls to care about.

    They'll lie and cover up Rubio's record on immigration. How many people seeing the debate would know that Rubio is way to the left of Bernie Sanders and Hillary on amnesty, indentured 'guest' workers, and border security? Rubio was Obama's leader in the Senate on the Obama amnesty bill and worked his butt off getting it through the Senate before it faded out in the House. Nobody is going to know that if the press and the Republican Party can obscure the details.

    Everyone's going to act like it's just common sense to send troops to Syria and Ukraine and get into a shooting war with Russia. They're going to suggest on television across IA and NH that we'd do great there and that Putin is some kind of monster dictator who somehow wins overwhelming support in open elections against various opposition political parties that each mysteriously have their own representatives in the parliament.

    And Trump will be portrayed as a bigoted dangerous radical. Constantly.

    The reason the third and fourth place men in the polls are treated as the leaders in the race is because they are. It would take a miracle -- or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they're told on television -- for Trump to have a chance.
  4. @Dave Pinsen

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    I'm not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it's more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He's from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he's been for amnesty as well in the past. He's clearly smarter than Rubio, but it's possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven't always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/665087691097149440

    Exactly. While Rube-io represents all of FL, and undoubtedly much of the north would support immigration resitriction, Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it’s far from Mexico. Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don’t think they’re a powerful force in any Latino community.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))

    "Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it’s far from Mexico"
     
    Huh? Far from Mexico?

    Miami is closer to Cancún than it is to Tallahassee. It's closer to Cuba than it is to Tampa.

    Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don’t think they’re a powerful force in any Latino community.
     
    You might be surprised. Latinos are not monolithic and many waited years in line and are the hardest hit by wage drops because of illegals. Those are the ones that are most likely to vote.
  5. ….and taller, with more hair. In fact you could say the same about me.

  6. Republicans are not against open floodgate immigration per se. They are against immigration that leads to citizenship. Because from their PoV, that means Democratic voters.

    Republicans are happy to happy to accommodate the Crony Capitalists by providing an endless stream of guest workers. From the American citizen-worker perspective, the effect is the same. I.e. they get shut out of jobs and access to decent wages whether the immigrants can vote or not.

    And the Tech Cronies are supporting immigration reform for one thing only – a flood of H-1Bs to displace American technologists. Nobody excepting Senators Session and Grassley speaks for them. Not Cruz, not Rubio, not nobody on Capitol Hill. The Crony-Politicos like Cruz are happy to sell out American STEM workers.

    P.S. notice how Elites like Cruz never accuse American Banksters like his wife (Goldman Sachs) of not being the “Best and Brightest” who should be replaced by H-1B foreigners. The Elite locus of cushy high paying jobs is nicely insulated from what happens to the rest of us.

    • Agree: (((Owen)))
    • Replies: @Olorin
    But of course.

    We live in an era of Mass Everything--now automated.

    They can make hundreds billions of dollars by cutting millions of wages by a few dollars here and there year after year, then to zero.

    Get rid of the elites? Fneh. Half a million at most here and there.

    It's the principles of retailing. Would you rather make a penny on every roll of toilet paper that will ever be sold? Or a million bucks on every bankster job that will ever be cut?

    Quick, import more butts! I hear there are a billion Moose Limb butts and a billion Asian butts! Two billion butts--hm, what would it cost to get them all using a western-style toilet? Great! Get the taxpayers to pay for it! What do you mean they don't have jobs? Surely there's more we can take from them?!

    Just tell them that whatever they have, they will have less, if they don't hand what they have over, and when they do hand it over they'll have more because it's good because all those butts are downtrodden children lying face down on the beach, plus America Is An Immigrant Nation. They'll be so scared and confused, they won't think to rebel. If they do, we've got entire warehouses full of tanks of Dissent-B-Gone in 15 flavors!

    Bring me butts!

  7. two points. first, it seems clear that after Trump, Cruz is the best we have in bringing about “immigration sanity”, at least as far as their stated position goes – their sincerity being unknown.

    secondly, there are two kinds of immigrants, the low skill, poorly educated, mostly hispanic, future democrats and the high skill, well educated non hispanic, potentially conservative.

    Cruz brings more sanity to the problem of the californization of america, and thanks to Trump, may be coming around in bringing sanity to the second kind as well.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    "the high skill, well educated non hispanic, potentially conservative." - hispanics cast more of their votes for republicans than do indians.
  8. All of them, save trump, will pull a “mccain’ -they ‘got the message they will tell voters and promptly forget it once elected and carry out the agenda of the globalist elite.

  9. ”It’s sad that Screwbio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.”
    Who ghost wrote that Steve?
    We already have a ”smarter, richer, and more independent-minded Screwbio”. He’s even a US Senator: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-tokyo-rose-ran-for-president/

  10. @Dave Pinsen

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    I'm not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it's more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He's from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he's been for amnesty as well in the past. He's clearly smarter than Rubio, but it's possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven't always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/665087691097149440

    We should be so lucky that cynics start taking hard line immigration stances to get elected.

  11. And we have Donald Trump to thank for finally bringing it up and showing them its a winning issue. I never could have predicted this turn of events a few years ago.

    When Ted Cruz came out hard against immigration in the debate, the day after Trump gave his “deportation force” interview, which is encouraging. He wants to make sure he doesn’t get outflanked from the right and that this remains HIS issue.

  12. Donald Trump’s Rise Sparks Widespread Angst Among Jewish Republicans

    At a recent board meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition, the big donors and high-powered operatives in the room went around the table to make sure they had someone supporting each potential Republican nominee.

    Jeb Bush backers were easy to find. Supporters of Marco Rubio, too, were plentiful. Ted Cruz had friends there, as did Scott Walker, and even George Pataki and Lindsey Graham. The Republican Jewish elite have spread themselves wide across the GOP firmament.

    Yet Donald Trump, who has topped 20% to lead all other Republicans in recent presidential primary polls, and who also leads the pack in both Iowa and New Hampshire, is a different story. An RJC member who was present at the board meeting said he could not recall if Trump had backers there. What is clear is that, despite his surge in the polls, the anti-immigration hard-liner has strikingly little support among prominent Republican Jewish donors, activists and consultants.

    So much for the “Jews are prominent everywhere” thing.

    “There are a lot of folks who are, to be charitable, into white identity politics, and to be uncharitable are outright racists, who are supporting Trump,” said Nathan Wurtzel, a Republican political consultant and principal at The Catalyst Group, who is Jewish. “It’s very off-putting and disturbing.”

    Oops, there’s another area where Jews aren’t prominent (because Jewish identity politics are anti-white).

    Can’t have the goyim contemplating having for themselves what the Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    Unspoken Jewish oligarch problem with Trump: he doesn’t need their money. Doesn’t even seem to want it. Big Problem.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    He's funding it himself. So of course there are no Jewish donors. There are no goy donors either.
    , @Yngvar
    Trump is a very entertaining speaker. In Las Vegas he spoke about his self-financed campaign and the fact that he hadn't asked any Jews for money. That was a "LOL and SMH" moment.
  13. It is a shame about Rubio. I’m afraid this analogy is going to apply:

    Romney:Obamacare::Rubio:Obamnesty

  14. What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning…

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-immigration-system-marco-rubio-wanted/article/2576240

    • Replies: @tbraton
    From the Washington Examiner article (thanks for posting btw):

    "In a Spanish-language interview with Univision in June 2013, Rubio reassured supporters of the bill that legalization, or what became known as RPI status, would not have to wait for security.

    "Let's be clear," Rubio said. "Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence." "

    That's why Trump was absolutely right to criticize the use of Spanish (or any language other than English) during U.S. election campaigns. After all, aren't all those potential voters supposed to have a command of English to become citizens? I would think that somewhere down the road, were Rubio to emerge as a leading threat, Trump would probably slam him both on immigration and Rubio's use of Spanish to talk out of the other side of his mouth. It just reinforces my view of Rubio as a totally unqualified sleazeball. At least if Trump does become President, he won't have to deal with Rubio in the Senate.
    , @Lot

    What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning…
     
    Thanks Jill, we can never forgot this. On DAY ONE of Rubio's proposed amnesty, something like 15 million illegal aliens who are subject, right now, to deportation, would no longer be deportable. And they could then begin brining in others, joining the legal labor force, etc.

    Rubio was and still is eager to end of America as we know it in favor of a fatter, colder version of Brazil.
  15. Powerful people want to be respectable.

    Those who control respectability controls the elites.

    Once homo stuff was made respectable, elites complied cuz status means so much to them.

    There are leader-elites and follower-elites.

    Leader-elites, largely Jewish, get to decide what is respectable.

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Republicans during the Bush years did nothing about illegal entry even though it was at a high point then. Not only did they not do anything they actively resisted taking any action by initiating a policy of delay, let’s study the problem, it’s not possible to do anything, we’re working on it, etc etc. It was meant to snowjob the American people while facts on the ground altered things. Oh, and what became of that “virtual fence” they were supposed to build? So some of the Repukes got religion now, is that the story?

  17. Credibility is the name of the game on this issue. Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.

    And then there is the question of how effective a candidate would be in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed. And even then he might have to wait until the 2018 election cycle to bring the necessary pressure to bear.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern "extra-constitutionally." Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?

    There was a book of essays written by some early Reagan Administration appointees, Steering the Elephant. It painted a picture of just how difficult it was to change policies 35 years ago. Since then, liberals have become even more entrenched and their means of resisitance have increased. I fear that we may have to suspend the Constitution in order to preserve the people to whom the Constitution actually matters. Sad that we've come to such choices!
    , @Jim Don Bob
    A restrictionist president could do a great deal without new legislation just by enforcing existing laws, (build the border fence, for instance), and using executive orders. For instance, make E-Verify mandatory on hiring. Crack down on the thousands of illegals who use false SS numbers by withholding tax refunds. Have ICE raid all the big slaughterhouses. Nothing will change until you get employers' attention. And that won't happen until you hit their bottom line.

    Employers truly are color blind; all they see is green.
    , @Anon7
    "Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed..."

    I've thought about this, too. As the 2016 elections (and primaries) get closer, we all have to start talking to our representative and senatorial candidates, telling them what we require - close the borders with physical structures and guards, enforce existing laws to send all undocumented foreigners (with emphasis on felons) out of the country, penalize companies that knowingly hire undocumented workers, shut down the H1B visa program and so on.
    , @Jonathan Silber
    Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed.

    Even if Trump were to win and could get nothing done it would probably be better than anything that would be done if any of the other Republican candidates were to win.
  18. very interesting interview with Stanley Greenberg.
    http://www.wnyc.org/story/america-acending/
    He is convinced that California is the future of America. A lot of diversity, veto proof democrat control of government policy, dynamic urban centers. I recall reading Wall Street Journal editorials that California was going to implode. But apparently the state was able to raise taxes without harming the economy and balanced its budget. Greenberg says the Republicans are going to be crushed in elections starting in 2016.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Did he say WHY they were able to do that?

    Because of Tech IPOs being ballooned to the moon and taxing the proceeds.

    In what sane world is Twitter worth more than Toyota? Facebook worth more than Ford?

    California is a super specialized ecosystem that is absolutely 3rd World once you leave the ultra rich parts. Hell, there's parts of San Francisco that are absolutely disgusting and wouldn't be out of place in TJ. Its the techno dystopia Shadowrun predicted.
  19. I love this para:

    Immigration is a key vulnerability for Mr. Rubio, who was initially part of an effort in 2013 to formulate a bipartisan bill in the Senate to overhaul the immigration system. His subsequent moves to distance himself from his role in fashioning the bill have left some conservatives distrustful of his candidacy.

    Conxervatives aren’t mistrustful of Rubio because he is pro-amnesty. Rather, they are mistrustful of Rubio because he has moved away from being pro-amnesty.

  20. Why is it that murder, theft, etc. are all sins that can be washed away for any politician…

    but flip-flopping is unforgivable?

    In any event, screw Rubio and Cruz, they aren’t for Operation Wetback 2 and are for amnesty.

    Rubio is Latino Bambi—he was dumb enough to marry a Miami Dolphins’ cheerleader.

    Cruz was dumb enough to forget to register a domain name that was his name. So now a lefty has cybersquatted it and uses it to mock him.

    Both are pretty dumb folks.

    • Replies: @Jim Sweeney
    Just wondering why it was "dumb" of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it's the best deal one can make in the most important part of life.
  21. Too bad.

    Rubio or Clinton? It’s your choice.

  22. @Luke Lea
    Credibility is the name of the game on this issue. Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.

    And then there is the question of how effective a candidate would be in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed. And even then he might have to wait until the 2018 election cycle to bring the necessary pressure to bear.

    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern “extra-constitutionally.” Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?

    There was a book of essays written by some early Reagan Administration appointees, Steering the Elephant. It painted a picture of just how difficult it was to change policies 35 years ago. Since then, liberals have become even more entrenched and their means of resisitance have increased. I fear that we may have to suspend the Constitution in order to preserve the people to whom the Constitution actually matters. Sad that we’ve come to such choices!

    • Replies: @AndrewR

    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern “extra-constitutionally.” Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?
     
    Taking extraconstitutional actions has certainly worked for Obama.
    , @PistolPete
    I'm a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian(except when it's about immigration). Trump, as Ron Paul has said, is a controlling Authoritarian.

    However, that is exactly what we NEED. The world is on fire, and Immigration is pretty much the center of why it is on fire. He will do whatever it takes, including outside the Constitution to end immigration. And even though I'm a lover of the Constitution, sometimes things need to get done.

    I remember back in school studying the Roman Republic about how every 50 or 100 years, shit would hit the fan and a tyrant would be temporarily elected for like a year or so. They would find the scariest, meanest, most efficient person to be Tyrant for 6 months or a year, to get shit done and clean up house. They would suspend all rules of government for this man to do what was needed. That's what is necessary now. Trump only really needs one term, just to press the reset button in regards to America.

    My 2 cents...

  23. @Luke Lea
    Credibility is the name of the game on this issue. Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.

    And then there is the question of how effective a candidate would be in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed. And even then he might have to wait until the 2018 election cycle to bring the necessary pressure to bear.

    A restrictionist president could do a great deal without new legislation just by enforcing existing laws, (build the border fence, for instance), and using executive orders. For instance, make E-Verify mandatory on hiring. Crack down on the thousands of illegals who use false SS numbers by withholding tax refunds. Have ICE raid all the big slaughterhouses. Nothing will change until you get employers’ attention. And that won’t happen until you hit their bottom line.

    Employers truly are color blind; all they see is green.

    • Replies: @Bill
    True. He would only have to put a few guys from the C suite into federal prison for all of them to get the idea.
  24. luke said:

    “Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.”

    does any such candidate exist? haven’t the donors exterminated them all? name some one better than cruz. yes, Sessions…but he’s not running.

    • Agree: Realist
  25. …Mr. Rubio is more familiar with the nuances…

    The NYT kiss of death.

  26. @Luke Lea
    Credibility is the name of the game on this issue. Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.

    And then there is the question of how effective a candidate would be in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed. And even then he might have to wait until the 2018 election cycle to bring the necessary pressure to bear.

    “Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed…”

    I’ve thought about this, too. As the 2016 elections (and primaries) get closer, we all have to start talking to our representative and senatorial candidates, telling them what we require – close the borders with physical structures and guards, enforce existing laws to send all undocumented foreigners (with emphasis on felons) out of the country, penalize companies that knowingly hire undocumented workers, shut down the H1B visa program and so on.

  27. Donald Trump has been an economic nationalist for years. I have seen his statements on stupid (traitorous is the accurate word) trade deals going back 15 or more years. This shows Trump is pro-average American. He has long known that phony free trade deals depress US wage levels for the peasantry. He has come to criticize illegal immigration (also depresses wages) more recently but both go hand in hand as economic nationalist issues and Trump is an unabashed economic nationalist candidate like we haven’t seen for years. The same ones that Pat Buchanan has been railing against since 1992. Pat and Ross Perot were right!! And have been ignored for years while we lost more industrial base and illegal immigration got way out of hand. Damn right I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 and despised NAFTA!

    So this is more of my reasoning to trust The Donald on immigration, H1Bs and illegal immigration. To do right by us when he gets to be President. First he’s got to beat Hillary. The Democrat Party motto might soon be, “If you’re not indicted, you’re not invited” (FBI is digging hard and lets hope its not a charade)

  28. “GOP Candidates Battle Over Who Is Immigration Restrictioniest”

    There is no contest Trump wins, but is still lacking.

  29. Trump needs to broaden the appeal of his stance on immigration. I really wish he (or someone) would start pushing on the economic effect of open borders, unlimited immigration. It’s a disaster for all American workers, lowering everyone’s wages, but particularly the wages of blue collar workers. It’s simple economics – immigration is bad for our economy!

    Immigrants benefit businesses and the wealthy people who own them – while the rest of us subsidize their success by paying for benefits, which are used immoderately by immigrants. We need to wake up – it’s simple economics!

    Immigrants send from $50 to $120 billion dollars out of the country – it’s an economic disaster for the U.S.. Build a working fence, send undocumented foreigners home – it’s simple economics!

    Get past the ad hominem attacks of people who insist that anyone who opposes open border immigration by crying “Racist!” – talk about economics instead. There are a lot of people who will listen – maybe enough to get Trump elected.

  30. @Diversity Heretic
    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern "extra-constitutionally." Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?

    There was a book of essays written by some early Reagan Administration appointees, Steering the Elephant. It painted a picture of just how difficult it was to change policies 35 years ago. Since then, liberals have become even more entrenched and their means of resisitance have increased. I fear that we may have to suspend the Constitution in order to preserve the people to whom the Constitution actually matters. Sad that we've come to such choices!

    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern “extra-constitutionally.” Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?

    Taking extraconstitutional actions has certainly worked for Obama.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Very good point. Bizarrely, Obama may have set the Presidential-authority precedents for what Trump will have to do if elected. I admit I'm conflicted on the executive amnesty issue; I don't think that the President has any such authority, and the policy itself is disastrous, but if the SCOTUS says he does, Trump may have the authority to do what needs doing (e.g., summary deportations and expulsions, revocation of citizenship, etc.). Again, sad to have come to such a situation.
  31. Neoconned [AKA "enemy of the state"] says:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa/status/664603626891964416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Check out this hilarious twitter exchange from some fat black lives matter woman about blacks segregating whites in their safe spaces. Beyond parody.

  32. “But instead in 2013 he signed up to lead what the Republican Brain Trust and its billionaire backers was telling him was a sure thing ”

    You can’t run for free, if you want money to run…on your knees you must be.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    You can’t run for free, if you want money to run…on your knees you must be.
     
    I think your adage does not apply to Trump.
  33. He is convinced that California is the future of America.

    California is able to function despite a Lib-Dem government because of all the high tech. The same is true of NY with the finance industry. Sadly, there are only a couple places in the USA that can do that. The future of the rest of the country is you’ll look like California demographically and you’ll have worse finances then you do now.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.
  34. @philhellenic
    two points. first, it seems clear that after Trump, Cruz is the best we have in bringing about "immigration sanity", at least as far as their stated position goes - their sincerity being unknown.

    secondly, there are two kinds of immigrants, the low skill, poorly educated, mostly hispanic, future democrats and the high skill, well educated non hispanic, potentially conservative.

    Cruz brings more sanity to the problem of the californization of america, and thanks to Trump, may be coming around in bringing sanity to the second kind as well.

    “the high skill, well educated non hispanic, potentially conservative.” – hispanics cast more of their votes for republicans than do indians.

  35. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    I'm not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it's more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He's from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he's been for amnesty as well in the past. He's clearly smarter than Rubio, but it's possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven't always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/665087691097149440

    I think Cruz is the smart pol who finally picked up that $1000 bill lying on the floor.

  36. the future of my country

    That’s the spirit!

    Now, if we can get the rest of your intellectual cohort talking that way, we’ll be getting somewhere.

  37. Too bad indeed. And how can any amnesty advocate not understand that the people ‘who do those jobs Americans won’t do’ will not do them after they become citizens. Why would they when they can get collect multiple benefits by just staying home? Then the vegetables will really be rotting in the fields.

  38. @Dave Pinsen

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    I'm not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it's more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He's from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he's been for amnesty as well in the past. He's clearly smarter than Rubio, but it's possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven't always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/665087691097149440

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami.

    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives. I know this because my immigrant parent told me so. In most cases the immigrant, such as my parent, is eager to ape the norms and ideals of the founding stock and has no qualms cutting themselves off from the Old World.

    However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.

    Second, Latin Americans are carrying a couple of huge chips on their shoulders. They have the embarrassment of knowing that their culture has utterly failed to create in the New World what the English people did, despite the fact that in many cases the Latin nations had superior climate and natural resources. Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel wrote:

    “For Latin Americans, it is an unbearable thought that a handful of Anglo-Saxons, arriving much later than the Spanish and in such a harsh climate that they barely survived the first few winters, would become the foremost power in the world. It would require an inconceivable effort of collective self-analysis [emphasis mine] for Latin Americans to face up to the fundamental causes of this disparity. This is why, though aware of the falsity of what they are saying, every Latin American politician and intellectual must repeat that all our troubles stem from North American imperialism.”

    Additionally as others have pointed our here before, some Latin Americans still feel there is unfinished business from the rivalry between England and Spain that goes back to the sinking of the Armada.

    With this in mind I think it’s conceivable that Rubio is a cultural imperialist. It wouldn’t matter if he was richer or smarter, so long as he has strong ties to his immigrant community, and you did say he lives in Miami, he will probably feel this way. And it doesn’t help that the GOP kneels down before him and promotes him ONLY because of his Latin American ancestry. It must be a confirmation to him that the tide has turned against the English.

    So long as immigration is mainly an issue concerning Latin Americans, a cultural imperialist like Rubio will do his level best to keep the gates open.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I think you are reading Rubio completely wrong. There are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.
    , @tbraton
    "However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation."

    More than 30 years, I was talking to a Mexican-American friend who lived in Texas near the Rio Grande. His father had been forced to flee Mexico and seek asylum in the U.S. to escape Pancho Villa. My friend and his brother received their education in New Jersey, and both spoke English and Spanish fluently. I made the point that English was one of the few things that united a rather disparate population in the U.S. and thought we should maintain that tradition. He responded by saying (in the early 80's) that he could go anywhere in the U.S. and find people who spoke Spanish, so he and others didn't need to know how to speak English to get along in the U.S. He was a pretty sensible fellow, but I was astounded by his reaction.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives.
     
    In other words, they're white supremacists. So bar them!

    Spanish is now our de facto second language
     
    .

    And English is our de facto first-- for now.

    "De facto" is all that counts. "De jure" is useless. Worse than useless-- harmful. Official English has ruined Canada.
  39. @whorefinder
    Why is it that murder, theft, etc. are all sins that can be washed away for any politician...

    but flip-flopping is unforgivable?

    In any event, screw Rubio and Cruz, they aren't for Operation Wetback 2 and are for amnesty.

    Rubio is Latino Bambi---he was dumb enough to marry a Miami Dolphins' cheerleader.

    Cruz was dumb enough to forget to register a domain name that was his name. So now a lefty has cybersquatted it and uses it to mock him.

    Both are pretty dumb folks.

    Just wondering why it was “dumb” of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it’s the best deal one can make in the most important part of life.

    • Replies: @MKP
    "Just wondering why it was “dumb” of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it’s the best deal one can make in the most important part of life."

    I second the question. If he was smart, he would have married some high-earning, ball-busting snot? Who resented him no matter what he was able to earn or accomplish? What would that have proved?
    , @whorefinder
    He married a professional sport slut who gets half naked for black players and walks around in stripper gear.

    And he got her after her prime and after she'd been a jock slut.

    Yeah, Rubio's a genius. (/sarcasm)

    Honestly, I hope Latino Bambi got a DNA test on all his kids.
  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    I'm not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it's more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He's from Miami. Are there many immigration restrictionists who hail from there?

    Re Cruz: per Kaus, he's been for amnesty as well in the past. He's clearly smarter than Rubio, but it's possible that his current immigration hawkishness is just tactical posturing. We are left hoping that Trump, at least, is sincere, but his extemporaneous comments haven't always been ask hawkish as his immigration policy paper.
    https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/665087691097149440

    That’s true, but Rubio also seems to not care that much and seems ambitious enough that he’d be willing to be anti-immigration if it meant being elected. But he also seems pretty lazy and not that willing to work very hard, and also has a lot of debt, and seems willing to do whatever his donors want.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I don't trust Rubio farther than he can throw Lindsey Graham.

    Rubio also did poorly among Florida "hispanics" in his last race, but the Karl Rove acolytes in the Republican party still see him as the key to the ever illusive hispanic vote.
  41. @iSteveFan

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami.
     
    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives. I know this because my immigrant parent told me so. In most cases the immigrant, such as my parent, is eager to ape the norms and ideals of the founding stock and has no qualms cutting themselves off from the Old World.

    However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.

    Second, Latin Americans are carrying a couple of huge chips on their shoulders. They have the embarrassment of knowing that their culture has utterly failed to create in the New World what the English people did, despite the fact that in many cases the Latin nations had superior climate and natural resources. Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel wrote:

    "For Latin Americans, it is an unbearable thought that a handful of Anglo-Saxons, arriving much later than the Spanish and in such a harsh climate that they barely survived the first few winters, would become the foremost power in the world. It would require an inconceivable effort of collective self-analysis [emphasis mine] for Latin Americans to face up to the fundamental causes of this disparity. This is why, though aware of the falsity of what they are saying, every Latin American politician and intellectual must repeat that all our troubles stem from North American imperialism."
     
    Additionally as others have pointed our here before, some Latin Americans still feel there is unfinished business from the rivalry between England and Spain that goes back to the sinking of the Armada.

    With this in mind I think it's conceivable that Rubio is a cultural imperialist. It wouldn't matter if he was richer or smarter, so long as he has strong ties to his immigrant community, and you did say he lives in Miami, he will probably feel this way. And it doesn't help that the GOP kneels down before him and promotes him ONLY because of his Latin American ancestry. It must be a confirmation to him that the tide has turned against the English.

    So long as immigration is mainly an issue concerning Latin Americans, a cultural imperialist like Rubio will do his level best to keep the gates open.

    I think you are reading Rubio completely wrong. There are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    Rubio is from the latter school of thought.
     
    If that were the case he'd not be so eager to demographically swamp the US with Latin immigrants. Whether he admits it or not, his policies on immigration would do just that.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    If that were true, why didn't his parents name him Mark, instead of Marco?
    , @Glaivester
    here are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    Of course, what you are ignoring is that life in these screwed up native countries is often very good for the upper echelon. Slo someone who anticipates being in the upper echelon may well fell the American way is superior, but have no problem remaking America in the image of his forbears' dysfunctional nation, because the problems won't be his.
  42. But instead in 2013 he signed up to lead what the Republican Brain Trust and its billionaire backers was telling him was a sure thing — Chuck Schumer’s amnesty bill — even though it was obviously nuts, both as policy and as politics.

    It was not nuts. It seems like it had a good chance to pass. Rubio has always been pro-amnesty///// Lets see if this boyish slick talker can charm his way out of this. Being pro-Amnesty made sense when he was looking at re-election to the Senate from multi-ethnic Florida but now he’s not even going to run. So the question becomes, what kind of great Washingtoon DC lobbying job offers does he have lined up to make the really big money his high maintenance, ex-Dolphins cheerleader wife has been demanding?

    By moving over to being a Capitol Hill lobbyist Rubio is copying ex-Senator Mel Martinez from Florida. And Marco Rubio has a law degree which always helps in your career as a Washington DC lobbyist/influence peddler.

    Marco Rubio will never get the Presidential nomination though the Vice-Presidential is a possibility

    Wednesday, Sept. 23, 2009
    From Senator Martinez to Lobbyist Martinez

    We’ve figure out where former Senator Mel Martinez is landing. A few weeks after leaving office, Martinez is going to be a lobbyist for one of the world’s largest law firms. DLA Piper has 35,000 lawyers in 29 countries.
    Martinez is prevented from directly lobbying members of Congress for two years, but he can advise clients on strategy and with whom to meet.
    The law firm says Martinez has strong contacts in Latin American, where it hopes to expand over the next year.

    Martinez also has about $450,000 left in his Senate campaign account, which he can use to donate to Senate and House campaigns.
    The firm said Wednesday that Martinez has strong contacts in Latin American, where the firm hopes to expand over the next year.

  43. @Jack D
    I think you are reading Rubio completely wrong. There are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    If that were the case he’d not be so eager to demographically swamp the US with Latin immigrants. Whether he admits it or not, his policies on immigration would do just that.

  44. @Luke Lea
    Credibility is the name of the game on this issue. Unless a candidate has been a consistent proponent of immigration restriction in the past he is not to be trusted once he comes into office.

    And then there is the question of how effective a candidate would be in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed. And even then he might have to wait until the 2018 election cycle to bring the necessary pressure to bear.

    Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed.

    Even if Trump were to win and could get nothing done it would probably be better than anything that would be done if any of the other Republican candidates were to win.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "Even if Trump were to win and could get nothing done it would probably be better than anything that would be done if any of the other Republican candidates were to win."

    I see two aspects of Trump's program that may prove beneficial to the U.S. should he be elected: (1) immigration and (2) foreign policy. Many posters here are focusing just on the immigration angle and are neglecting the equally important foreign policy angle. Trump has consistently hit positive notes in his various pronouncements on foreign policy: (1) criticism of U.S. troops on the Korean DMZ at the first debate, (2) criticism of the Iraq war also at the first debate, (3) indication that he would abide by the Iran nuclear deal should he be elected, (4) criticism of our involvement in the Syrian civil war and any suggestion of "no-fly zones" in Syria, and (5) criticism of our war against Libya. The only Republican candidate who comes close is Rand Paul, but he stands in the low single digits in the polls, while Trump has been leading for months. If it were just one issue, you might be justified in taking a cynical attitude, but, when he consistently takes the right position on five issues, you probably should assume he is serious.
  45. @Jack D
    I think you are reading Rubio completely wrong. There are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    If that were true, why didn’t his parents name him Mark, instead of Marco?

  46. @Jill
    What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning...

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-immigration-system-marco-rubio-wanted/article/2576240

    From the Washington Examiner article (thanks for posting btw):

    “In a Spanish-language interview with Univision in June 2013, Rubio reassured supporters of the bill that legalization, or what became known as RPI status, would not have to wait for security.

    “Let’s be clear,” Rubio said. “Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence.” ”

    That’s why Trump was absolutely right to criticize the use of Spanish (or any language other than English) during U.S. election campaigns. After all, aren’t all those potential voters supposed to have a command of English to become citizens? I would think that somewhere down the road, were Rubio to emerge as a leading threat, Trump would probably slam him both on immigration and Rubio’s use of Spanish to talk out of the other side of his mouth. It just reinforces my view of Rubio as a totally unqualified sleazeball. At least if Trump does become President, he won’t have to deal with Rubio in the Senate.

  47. @Svigor
    Donald Trump's Rise Sparks Widespread Angst Among Jewish Republicans

    At a recent board meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition, the big donors and high-powered operatives in the room went around the table to make sure they had someone supporting each potential Republican nominee.

    Jeb Bush backers were easy to find. Supporters of Marco Rubio, too, were plentiful. Ted Cruz had friends there, as did Scott Walker, and even George Pataki and Lindsey Graham. The Republican Jewish elite have spread themselves wide across the GOP firmament.

    Yet Donald Trump, who has topped 20% to lead all other Republicans in recent presidential primary polls, and who also leads the pack in both Iowa and New Hampshire, is a different story. An RJC member who was present at the board meeting said he could not recall if Trump had backers there. What is clear is that, despite his surge in the polls, the anti-immigration hard-liner has strikingly little support among prominent Republican Jewish donors, activists and consultants.
     
    So much for the "Jews are prominent everywhere" thing.

    “There are a lot of folks who are, to be charitable, into white identity politics, and to be uncharitable are outright racists, who are supporting Trump,” said Nathan Wurtzel, a Republican political consultant and principal at The Catalyst Group, who is Jewish. “It’s very off-putting and disturbing.”
     
    Oops, there's another area where Jews aren't prominent (because Jewish identity politics are anti-white).

    Can't have the goyim contemplating having for themselves what the Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    Unspoken Jewish oligarch problem with Trump: he doesn't need their money. Doesn't even seem to want it. Big Problem.

    He’s funding it himself. So of course there are no Jewish donors. There are no goy donors either.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    What I find even more impressive than the fact he is using his own money is the fact that, so far, he has succeeded in achieving high poll ratings on a shoe string, having spent relatively little money on his campaign thus far. He has accomplished this impressive feat by taking advantage of his popularity to avail himself of free TV time, the cable networks being fully aware of what a boost to their ratings occurs when they have Trump on. It's not a coincidence that the ratings have gone through the roof this year on the televised Republican debates.
  48. @iSteveFan

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami.
     
    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives. I know this because my immigrant parent told me so. In most cases the immigrant, such as my parent, is eager to ape the norms and ideals of the founding stock and has no qualms cutting themselves off from the Old World.

    However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.

    Second, Latin Americans are carrying a couple of huge chips on their shoulders. They have the embarrassment of knowing that their culture has utterly failed to create in the New World what the English people did, despite the fact that in many cases the Latin nations had superior climate and natural resources. Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel wrote:

    "For Latin Americans, it is an unbearable thought that a handful of Anglo-Saxons, arriving much later than the Spanish and in such a harsh climate that they barely survived the first few winters, would become the foremost power in the world. It would require an inconceivable effort of collective self-analysis [emphasis mine] for Latin Americans to face up to the fundamental causes of this disparity. This is why, though aware of the falsity of what they are saying, every Latin American politician and intellectual must repeat that all our troubles stem from North American imperialism."
     
    Additionally as others have pointed our here before, some Latin Americans still feel there is unfinished business from the rivalry between England and Spain that goes back to the sinking of the Armada.

    With this in mind I think it's conceivable that Rubio is a cultural imperialist. It wouldn't matter if he was richer or smarter, so long as he has strong ties to his immigrant community, and you did say he lives in Miami, he will probably feel this way. And it doesn't help that the GOP kneels down before him and promotes him ONLY because of his Latin American ancestry. It must be a confirmation to him that the tide has turned against the English.

    So long as immigration is mainly an issue concerning Latin Americans, a cultural imperialist like Rubio will do his level best to keep the gates open.

    “However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.”

    More than 30 years, I was talking to a Mexican-American friend who lived in Texas near the Rio Grande. His father had been forced to flee Mexico and seek asylum in the U.S. to escape Pancho Villa. My friend and his brother received their education in New Jersey, and both spoke English and Spanish fluently. I made the point that English was one of the few things that united a rather disparate population in the U.S. and thought we should maintain that tradition. He responded by saying (in the early 80’s) that he could go anywhere in the U.S. and find people who spoke Spanish, so he and others didn’t need to know how to speak English to get along in the U.S. He was a pretty sensible fellow, but I was astounded by his reaction.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Even today, one can't get by without English "anywhere" in the US. But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles? Hand-wringing over whether this is right won't change whether it happens. If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you'd learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn't feel you needed to.
    , @rod1963
    A lot of Mexicans remain loyal to their nation and culture. They can live here for 50 years and not need to learn to speak English, I 've met them, don't care for the dumbasses either.

    At best they are foreign interlopers and worse, a colonial invasion force.

    When people speak of a melting pot, it was meant for people of European descent, not mixed blood Indians from South of the border who don't see themselves as Americans and never will.
  49. “[Cruz] supported a massive expansion of the H-1B program, a 500 percent increase,” [Rubio] said.

    Is basic numeracy too much to ask for? According to
    http://www.computerworld.com/article/2900126/ted-cruz-the-presidential-candidate-who-wants-to-increase-the-h-1b-cap-by-500.html ,
    Cruz … once proposed an immediate increase in the base H-1B cap from 65,000 to 325,000.

    This is a 5-fold (325,000/65,000 = 5) increase, which is an increase of 400 percent, not 500 percent. (Even the headline writer of that linked-to article got it wrong: “Cruz … wants to increase the H-1B cap by 500%”)

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Not if you leave out the word "by". If we are going to pick nits.
  50. And just to keep folks up to date, Ms Click has shuffled off the Missouri coil.

    http://journalism.missouri.edu/2015/11/dean-david-kurpius-comments-on-students-coverage-of-protest-on-carnahan-quad/

    (where apparently, she never really was)

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    She's still at U of Missouri a Communications Asst. Prof.

    She just lost her courtesy cross appointment in Journalism. No biggie. Though nice for the Journalism faculty to take a strong free speech stand, they could hardly do otherwise.
  51. @iSteveFan

    I’m not convinced Rubio would have a different position on immigration if he were smarter, richer, and more independent minded. I think it’s more likely he eats his own dog food on this. He’s from Miami.
     
    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives. I know this because my immigrant parent told me so. In most cases the immigrant, such as my parent, is eager to ape the norms and ideals of the founding stock and has no qualms cutting themselves off from the Old World.

    However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation.

    Second, Latin Americans are carrying a couple of huge chips on their shoulders. They have the embarrassment of knowing that their culture has utterly failed to create in the New World what the English people did, despite the fact that in many cases the Latin nations had superior climate and natural resources. Venezuelan writer Carlos Rangel wrote:

    "For Latin Americans, it is an unbearable thought that a handful of Anglo-Saxons, arriving much later than the Spanish and in such a harsh climate that they barely survived the first few winters, would become the foremost power in the world. It would require an inconceivable effort of collective self-analysis [emphasis mine] for Latin Americans to face up to the fundamental causes of this disparity. This is why, though aware of the falsity of what they are saying, every Latin American politician and intellectual must repeat that all our troubles stem from North American imperialism."
     
    Additionally as others have pointed our here before, some Latin Americans still feel there is unfinished business from the rivalry between England and Spain that goes back to the sinking of the Armada.

    With this in mind I think it's conceivable that Rubio is a cultural imperialist. It wouldn't matter if he was richer or smarter, so long as he has strong ties to his immigrant community, and you did say he lives in Miami, he will probably feel this way. And it doesn't help that the GOP kneels down before him and promotes him ONLY because of his Latin American ancestry. It must be a confirmation to him that the tide has turned against the English.

    So long as immigration is mainly an issue concerning Latin Americans, a cultural imperialist like Rubio will do his level best to keep the gates open.

    Whether they say it or not, immigrants are coming to the USA and other New World English-founded nations because they are politically, socially and economically superior to the alternatives.

    In other words, they’re white supremacists. So bar them!

    Spanish is now our de facto second language

    .

    And English is our de facto first– for now.

    “De facto” is all that counts. “De jure” is useless. Worse than useless– harmful. Official English has ruined Canada.

  52. I’m stunned it only took them four months to realize Trump literally rocketed to the top of polls by coming out against illegal immigration and promising to do something about it. Media will condemn them, as it has Trump, but our media is ugly, corrupt and stupid. Who cares?

    Here’s an example. This week a pastor’s wife in Indianapolis was murdered in what seems a home invasion robbery. It went to the TOP of headline news feed on Google News yesterday. I think this was because media suspected the pastor himself was guilty – and believed they’d bagged a trifecta of Christian perfidy, white people doing very bad things, and wife abuse (to say the least).

    Today it’s dropped into ‘U.S. News’. Wonder why? From USA Today:

    “Authorities said surveillance footage taken from the Northwestside neighborhood where Amanda Blackburn was killed about 8:30 a.m. Tuesday capture images of the person they believe was responsible: a black male of slim-to-medium build wearing light-colored pants and a two-toned hoodie who tried to conceal his face from neighbors.”

    Heartbreak of Narrative crash.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Here’s an example. This week a pastor’s wife in Indianapolis was murdered in what seems a home invasion robbery. It went to the TOP of headline news feed on Google News yesterday. I think this was because media suspected the pastor himself was guilty – and believed they’d bagged a trifecta of Christian perfidy, white people doing very bad things, and wife abuse (to say the least).

    Today it’s dropped into ‘U.S. News’. Wonder why? From USA Today:

    “Authorities said surveillance footage taken from the Northwestside neighborhood where Amanda Blackburn was killed about 8:30 a.m. Tuesday capture images of the person they believe was responsible: a black male of slim-to-medium build wearing light-colored pants and a two-toned hoodie who tried to conceal his face from neighbors.”

    Heartbreak of Narrative crash."

    What if the roles were reversed and the murdered wife was Black and the home invasion robbery burglar who killed her was a White male? Hussein Obama would come out in a press conference and say that the poor Black woman who was killed looks like she could be his wife Michelle. And that America still has a long way to go to eliminate racism and improve race relations.
  53. @Jonathan Silber
    Trump, should he win, would need a strong popular mandate to get the necessary legislation passed.

    Even if Trump were to win and could get nothing done it would probably be better than anything that would be done if any of the other Republican candidates were to win.

    “Even if Trump were to win and could get nothing done it would probably be better than anything that would be done if any of the other Republican candidates were to win.”

    I see two aspects of Trump’s program that may prove beneficial to the U.S. should he be elected: (1) immigration and (2) foreign policy. Many posters here are focusing just on the immigration angle and are neglecting the equally important foreign policy angle. Trump has consistently hit positive notes in his various pronouncements on foreign policy: (1) criticism of U.S. troops on the Korean DMZ at the first debate, (2) criticism of the Iraq war also at the first debate, (3) indication that he would abide by the Iran nuclear deal should he be elected, (4) criticism of our involvement in the Syrian civil war and any suggestion of “no-fly zones” in Syria, and (5) criticism of our war against Libya. The only Republican candidate who comes close is Rand Paul, but he stands in the low single digits in the polls, while Trump has been leading for months. If it were just one issue, you might be justified in taking a cynical attitude, but, when he consistently takes the right position on five issues, you probably should assume he is serious.

  54. @tbraton
    "However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation."

    More than 30 years, I was talking to a Mexican-American friend who lived in Texas near the Rio Grande. His father had been forced to flee Mexico and seek asylum in the U.S. to escape Pancho Villa. My friend and his brother received their education in New Jersey, and both spoke English and Spanish fluently. I made the point that English was one of the few things that united a rather disparate population in the U.S. and thought we should maintain that tradition. He responded by saying (in the early 80's) that he could go anywhere in the U.S. and find people who spoke Spanish, so he and others didn't need to know how to speak English to get along in the U.S. He was a pretty sensible fellow, but I was astounded by his reaction.

    Even today, one can’t get by without English “anywhere” in the US. But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles? Hand-wringing over whether this is right won’t change whether it happens. If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you’d learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn’t feel you needed to.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you’d learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn’t feel you needed to."

    That's where you are absolutely wrong. If I were to move to a foreign country, I certainly would go to great lengths to master the language of that country. I can't imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language. If the country had a majority of the people speaking English, wouldn't that make English the native language? When you go to Mexico, you don't find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.
    , @(((Owen)))

    But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles?
     
    You mean, "por qué aprender inglés?" or better yet, "para qué aprender inglés?". Para implies intention while por asks for an impersonal cause. The Real Academia Española explains the rest here: http://www.rae.es/consultas/porque-porque-por-que-por-que
  55. He’s funding it himself. So of course there are no Jewish donors. There are no goy donors either.

    True, but the article was about Jewish oligarchs and eminences grises.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    Maybe the resident oligarch here could be photographed giving Trump a high five or something. Does Sailer count as an éminence grise?
  56. @Honesthughgrant

    He is convinced that California is the future of America.
     
    California is able to function despite a Lib-Dem government because of all the high tech. The same is true of NY with the finance industry. Sadly, there are only a couple places in the USA that can do that. The future of the rest of the country is you'll look like California demographically and you'll have worse finances then you do now.

    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.

    • Replies: @Honesthughgrant
    It was born in the SF Bay area because its a great place to live and because there were plenty of engineers and smart people working on Defense R&D. Part of it was luck of course. What if Steve Jobs and his Partner, and some other Tech founders had gone to college in Boston and decided to stay there?

    It stays here for several reasons. First, its still a great place to live if you have the money. Second, don't underestimate inertia. People put their Hi-tech firms in SF Bay area because all the other Hi-tech firms are here. The housing prices are high, but if you're a Hi-Tech owner/exec you can afford it. You can throw in the fact that a lot of financial firms that finance these start up are in the Bay area too.
    , @Das
    It's an economic geography effect. Workers move to where they think there will be jobs, and companies move to where they think there will be workers.

    There used to be tech clusters scattered around the country, like Route 128 in Massachusetts. But because Silicon Valley was the *biggest* tech cluster, over time things just got more and more concentrated there. The best graduates know that in order to get the best jobs, they have to move to the Bay Area, and the companies know that in order to get the best workers, they have to be located in the Bay Area.

    If tech companies were really unhappy about the political climate in California, maybe they could coordinate and all relocate somewhere else at once. That is basically what happened to the Canadian financial industry which moved en masse from Montreal to Toronto when the Parti Quebecois took over in the 1970s.

    But actually, they're very pleased being governed by Jerry Brown, DiFi, and Barbara Boxer, who deliver them the goods. California's governance has been pretty bad for working and middle class whites, but it's been great for wealthy tech people.
    , @MarkinLA
    It is leaving. Companies are not expanding in California. They are expanding outside of California and when they have to cut back those in California lose their jobs first.
    , @(((Owen)))
    The tech industry grew in California because of the political climate and largely stays there because of the political climate.

    Civil digital computers were first developed in Massachusetts and New Jersey. Integrated circuits were invented in Texas. All of those states recognized non-compete agreements and various other restrictions on employees leaving, hiring their old cow-orkers, and starting up new firms.

    Silicon Valley was the place you could go and start over again. And again. There were no non-competes. The CA Supreme Court declared them all illegal. If you did stay with a big company, corporate HQ on the East coast was far away and couldn't stop you from innovating.

    William Shockley, an iSteve favorite, came to SV for the freedom to work on transistors without AT&T forcing him to share credit and denying him the help he needed. The whole Intel team developed out of his efforts by freely leaving two different employers before finding space to build their own vision. The founders of Intel are known as the "traitorous eight." Everything they did would have been illegal on the East coast because of trade secret and noncompete law.

    Xerox invented laser printers and modern computer interfaces and ethernet in Palo Alto because the Xerox HQ wanted to fire the scientists that were disrupting their business from the inside. Goldman and Pake started PARC to get space to build things 3000 miles away from the suits.

    Sand Hill Road was far enough from Wall Street to build its own standards for investment. If the banks knew what venture capitalists in CA were doing, it would be illegal. But in SV, you could make big bets and see a few of them pay off.

    Sure, the taxes are 4% higher and lately the locals have driven up real estate prices by refusing to allow any property development, but Silicon Valley has freedom from central corporate control that doesn't exist anywhere else in the USA. That's why SV is the center of tech.

    I don't know where in the USA you suppose would be better anyway. Everyplace with highly educated people has some disadvantage.

  57. @Anonym
    He's funding it himself. So of course there are no Jewish donors. There are no goy donors either.

    What I find even more impressive than the fact he is using his own money is the fact that, so far, he has succeeded in achieving high poll ratings on a shoe string, having spent relatively little money on his campaign thus far. He has accomplished this impressive feat by taking advantage of his popularity to avail himself of free TV time, the cable networks being fully aware of what a boost to their ratings occurs when they have Trump on. It’s not a coincidence that the ratings have gone through the roof this year on the televised Republican debates.

  58. @tbraton
    "However, I think with Latin Americans there is a different dynamic going on. First, they are coming in such large numbers that they feel they are going to change the US into their image. And the proof is there. Spanish is now our de facto second language. And the media tell us everyday that someday soon we will be a Latin nation."

    More than 30 years, I was talking to a Mexican-American friend who lived in Texas near the Rio Grande. His father had been forced to flee Mexico and seek asylum in the U.S. to escape Pancho Villa. My friend and his brother received their education in New Jersey, and both spoke English and Spanish fluently. I made the point that English was one of the few things that united a rather disparate population in the U.S. and thought we should maintain that tradition. He responded by saying (in the early 80's) that he could go anywhere in the U.S. and find people who spoke Spanish, so he and others didn't need to know how to speak English to get along in the U.S. He was a pretty sensible fellow, but I was astounded by his reaction.

    A lot of Mexicans remain loyal to their nation and culture. They can live here for 50 years and not need to learn to speak English, I ‘ve met them, don’t care for the dumbasses either.

    At best they are foreign interlopers and worse, a colonial invasion force.

    When people speak of a melting pot, it was meant for people of European descent, not mixed blood Indians from South of the border who don’t see themselves as Americans and never will.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    As a nation of 330 million people, the third most populous country in the world, I don't see why we should be admitting as immigrants any more than a relatively small number of foreigners, say about 100,000 or even less per year. The last thing we need is a large number (or even a small number) of backward, illiterate third worlders who come from cultures having no resemblance to ours.
  59. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.

    Yeah, Rubio is beating Cruz in the latest polls, despite Cruz’s relative tougher stand against immigration in the recent debate, presumably because Rubio is likeable, telegenic, and affable, while Cruz is oleaginous, funny looking, and comes across as insincere. Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    That's interesting, because Carson is a non-entity on immigration.
    , @MarkinLA
    Rubio is a lying snake on immigration. He says he wants to deport but keep those who have been able to successfully hide for 15 years. This is nothing more than the camels nose. Any legislation built around this will amnesty everybody. First there will be massive fraud as people bring all their handwritten proof they have been here 15 years. There will be an executive branch who will refuse to enforce the law and government employees too lazy to do anything other than swing their rubber stamps. Finally, there will be court challenge after court challenge over the language and terms in the bill. Why 15 years, why not 14, .... all they way down to 0 years. The English language requirement will be washed away like it was for the Reagan amnesty.
  60. OT: Now we know why Pinkel felt comfortable backing his players – he won’t be around for the fallout long-term (or, alternately, some kind of end of life remorse thing)

    http://thebiglead.com/2015/11/13/gary-pinkel-will-reportedly-retire-for-health-reasons/

  61. @AndrewR
    Even today, one can't get by without English "anywhere" in the US. But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles? Hand-wringing over whether this is right won't change whether it happens. If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you'd learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn't feel you needed to.

    “If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you’d learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn’t feel you needed to.”

    That’s where you are absolutely wrong. If I were to move to a foreign country, I certainly would go to great lengths to master the language of that country. I can’t imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language. If the country had a majority of the people speaking English, wouldn’t that make English the native language? When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I said "a place in a foreign country." Spanish is the primary language in large parts of the US but it is not the primary language in the US. Perhaps I could have used clearer language but I thought the analogy would be obvious.

    "I can’t imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language."

    Well I'm not calling you a liar but obviously you are an extreme minority. How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands' primary tongues? There is very little need.

    "When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you?"

    Actually there are a sizeable number of people in Mexico (well over one million) who speak Aztecan languages, many of who can't even really speak Spanish.

    , @(((Owen)))

    When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.
     
    I run into a lot. Sometimes I see legal public notices at some local ayuntamiento in Mexico City published and posted in the central plaza only in Nahuatl. I speak only Spanish so I don't know what they say. I meet people in the provinces that don't speak Spanish and their kids have to translate for me.

    There are about eight million speakers of Mexica (or Aztec) and other Nahuatl dialects around Mexico. A few million Mexicans don't speak Spanish. They're mostly older, though; the young generation is with the program.

  62. @tbraton
    "If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you’d learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn’t feel you needed to."

    That's where you are absolutely wrong. If I were to move to a foreign country, I certainly would go to great lengths to master the language of that country. I can't imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language. If the country had a majority of the people speaking English, wouldn't that make English the native language? When you go to Mexico, you don't find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.

    I said “a place in a foreign country.” Spanish is the primary language in large parts of the US but it is not the primary language in the US. Perhaps I could have used clearer language but I thought the analogy would be obvious.

    “I can’t imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language.”

    Well I’m not calling you a liar but obviously you are an extreme minority. How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands’ primary tongues? There is very little need.

    “When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you?”

    Actually there are a sizeable number of people in Mexico (well over one million) who speak Aztecan languages, many of who can’t even really speak Spanish.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands’ primary tongues? There is very little need.
     
    Andrew, I don't think your example is an apt counter point to tbraton. US military personnel do not move to those countries to become part of those societies. They get transferred there in the service of the US DoD for a limited term, usually 2 to 4 years, and have no pretenses of staying and becoming citizens. Those that meet and marry locals often do stay and integrate into society.

    Mexicans coming to the US presumably come here to join our work force and eventually obtain legals status if not outright citizenship. Additionally they partake from the US social safety net. So you would assume they would try to learn English.

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.
  63. People with Arabic last names (The Usual Suspects) who belong to a religion that is neither Judaism nor Christianity, have committed a blood bath today in Paris on Friday The 13th. So far the body count is at 35, though it will end up being higher than that by the end of the day.

    It is only a matter of time before a tragic terrorist attack like this also happens in Angela Merkel run Germany. And when that happens she will have blood on her hands.

  64. @Anonymous
    That's true, but Rubio also seems to not care that much and seems ambitious enough that he'd be willing to be anti-immigration if it meant being elected. But he also seems pretty lazy and not that willing to work very hard, and also has a lot of debt, and seems willing to do whatever his donors want.

    I don’t trust Rubio farther than he can throw Lindsey Graham.

    Rubio also did poorly among Florida “hispanics” in his last race, but the Karl Rove acolytes in the Republican party still see him as the key to the ever illusive hispanic vote.

  65. @Jim Don Bob
    A restrictionist president could do a great deal without new legislation just by enforcing existing laws, (build the border fence, for instance), and using executive orders. For instance, make E-Verify mandatory on hiring. Crack down on the thousands of illegals who use false SS numbers by withholding tax refunds. Have ICE raid all the big slaughterhouses. Nothing will change until you get employers' attention. And that won't happen until you hit their bottom line.

    Employers truly are color blind; all they see is green.

    True. He would only have to put a few guys from the C suite into federal prison for all of them to get the idea.

  66. @San Fernando Curt
    I'm stunned it only took them four months to realize Trump literally rocketed to the top of polls by coming out against illegal immigration and promising to do something about it. Media will condemn them, as it has Trump, but our media is ugly, corrupt and stupid. Who cares?

    Here's an example. This week a pastor's wife in Indianapolis was murdered in what seems a home invasion robbery. It went to the TOP of headline news feed on Google News yesterday. I think this was because media suspected the pastor himself was guilty - and believed they'd bagged a trifecta of Christian perfidy, white people doing very bad things, and wife abuse (to say the least).

    Today it's dropped into 'U.S. News'. Wonder why? From USA Today:

    "Authorities said surveillance footage taken from the Northwestside neighborhood where Amanda Blackburn was killed about 8:30 a.m. Tuesday capture images of the person they believe was responsible: a black male of slim-to-medium build wearing light-colored pants and a two-toned hoodie who tried to conceal his face from neighbors."

    Heartbreak of Narrative crash.

    “Here’s an example. This week a pastor’s wife in Indianapolis was murdered in what seems a home invasion robbery. It went to the TOP of headline news feed on Google News yesterday. I think this was because media suspected the pastor himself was guilty – and believed they’d bagged a trifecta of Christian perfidy, white people doing very bad things, and wife abuse (to say the least).

    Today it’s dropped into ‘U.S. News’. Wonder why? From USA Today:

    “Authorities said surveillance footage taken from the Northwestside neighborhood where Amanda Blackburn was killed about 8:30 a.m. Tuesday capture images of the person they believe was responsible: a black male of slim-to-medium build wearing light-colored pants and a two-toned hoodie who tried to conceal his face from neighbors.”

    Heartbreak of Narrative crash.”

    What if the roles were reversed and the murdered wife was Black and the home invasion robbery burglar who killed her was a White male? Hussein Obama would come out in a press conference and say that the poor Black woman who was killed looks like she could be his wife Michelle. And that America still has a long way to go to eliminate racism and improve race relations.

  67. Eerie OT: this morning I was going to comment that the last time the Ides fell on Friday the thirteenth, Copenhagen got shot up, so watch the news.

    That would’ve been prescient. It’s Friday, the 13th, and the Ides again, and now Paris got blown up.

  68. @Svigor

    He’s funding it himself. So of course there are no Jewish donors. There are no goy donors either.
     
    True, but the article was about Jewish oligarchs and eminences grises.

    Maybe the resident oligarch here could be photographed giving Trump a high five or something. Does Sailer count as an éminence grise?

  69. Cruz is only somewhat decent on immigration, when compared to Jebito or Rubio anyways. By himself, is isn’t very good.

    Speaking of immigration, just look at Angela Merkel’s disgusted reaction to being handed a German flag. She looked like she was just handed moldy cheese. She didn’t even try to act somewhat pleasant or neutral at the very least.

  70. Paris is under attack. The cause?

    Unchecked immigration.

  71. The death toll committed by the religion of peace in Paris has increased from 35 to 60.

  72. @AndrewR
    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.

    It was born in the SF Bay area because its a great place to live and because there were plenty of engineers and smart people working on Defense R&D. Part of it was luck of course. What if Steve Jobs and his Partner, and some other Tech founders had gone to college in Boston and decided to stay there?

    It stays here for several reasons. First, its still a great place to live if you have the money. Second, don’t underestimate inertia. People put their Hi-tech firms in SF Bay area because all the other Hi-tech firms are here. The housing prices are high, but if you’re a Hi-Tech owner/exec you can afford it. You can throw in the fact that a lot of financial firms that finance these start up are in the Bay area too.

  73. I wonder if the Islamic terrorist attacks in Paris result in an even higher bump in the polls for Donald Trump and Ted Cruz from Republican primary voters who are afraid that the U.S will experience a similar attack due to our country’s Left Wing immigration laws.

    That is why I have always said that there is a strong overlap between Homeland Security and America’s immigration laws.

  74. Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit. Jihaddies all over Paris killing people like the creeps that they are. Now, how am I supposed to ever get over Islamophobia? This will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit."

    They took a big hit or got a much needed shot in the arm?
    , @Stan
    his will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!


    The US and Europe have been receiving deadly wake-up calls for over 20 years but little changes in the immigration and foreign policies of the US and Europe,
    , @Lagertha
    can you guys just let me be visceral and atavistic in my feelings about Paris? And, sigh, agree that I saw this coming since 1978 when I was touring Europe with backpack, going to Bob Dylan concerts. (Ok, admit that I am trying to cheer people up.) A first time: I do not seem to have any friends and family among the victims, but I still wanna kill the Jihaddies with a pop to their throat...or a gun.
  75. Maybe timing had to do w/ the France-Germany friendly; which ended this way:

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    5:57 PM EST– French President Francois Hollande has announced the country will close its borders in response to the attack. Security sources say shutting all of France’s borders will be a tall task:

    I say, never let a crisis go to waste. Close the borders permanently, put up a fence, and mobilize the military to guard the borders until the fence is finished.

  77. Eagles of Death, an unfortunate name for a band that didn’t get a chance to perform tonight. France has closed it’s borders….I want Finland and the rest of Europe to close their borders, too.

    • Replies: @Robert Abrahamsen
    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France.... Only, aren't we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?
    , @Robert Abrahamsen
    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France.... Only, aren't we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?
  78. OT – I’d just like to be the first to express my deep concern about the coming Islamophobic backlash in the wake of today’s events in Paris.

    As bad as it is for people to be murdered in their blood, it would be even worse if our Diversity, or our Economy, were to suffer.

  79. I’m sure Gay Paree will be back to business for the big climate change pow-wow at the end of the month. I mean, what public policy issue could be more urgent to deal with than THAT?

  80. @AndrewR
    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.

    It’s an economic geography effect. Workers move to where they think there will be jobs, and companies move to where they think there will be workers.

    There used to be tech clusters scattered around the country, like Route 128 in Massachusetts. But because Silicon Valley was the *biggest* tech cluster, over time things just got more and more concentrated there. The best graduates know that in order to get the best jobs, they have to move to the Bay Area, and the companies know that in order to get the best workers, they have to be located in the Bay Area.

    If tech companies were really unhappy about the political climate in California, maybe they could coordinate and all relocate somewhere else at once. That is basically what happened to the Canadian financial industry which moved en masse from Montreal to Toronto when the Parti Quebecois took over in the 1970s.

    But actually, they’re very pleased being governed by Jerry Brown, DiFi, and Barbara Boxer, who deliver them the goods. California’s governance has been pretty bad for working and middle class whites, but it’s been great for wealthy tech people.

  81. @Lagertha
    Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit. Jihaddies all over Paris killing people like the creeps that they are. Now, how am I supposed to ever get over Islamophobia? This will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!

    “Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit.”

    They took a big hit or got a much needed shot in the arm?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    extermination.
  82. @Jim Sweeney
    Just wondering why it was "dumb" of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it's the best deal one can make in the most important part of life.

    “Just wondering why it was “dumb” of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it’s the best deal one can make in the most important part of life.”

    I second the question. If he was smart, he would have married some high-earning, ball-busting snot? Who resented him no matter what he was able to earn or accomplish? What would that have proved?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Commenter "whorefinder" is a red pill guy. I doubt he would have encouraged Rubio to marry "some high-earning, ball-busting snot." I think he would have encouraged Rubio to pump and dump the cheerleader, who was probably a carousel rider for years before settling down, rather than make her the steward of his household and mother of his children.
  83. The only percentage that matters is the percentage of fighting age males.

    France and Sweden will be fighting a full-on Lebanon style civil war within two years.

    It could have been prevented if the media hadn’t lied about the problems as they were brewing.

  84. @rod1963
    A lot of Mexicans remain loyal to their nation and culture. They can live here for 50 years and not need to learn to speak English, I 've met them, don't care for the dumbasses either.

    At best they are foreign interlopers and worse, a colonial invasion force.

    When people speak of a melting pot, it was meant for people of European descent, not mixed blood Indians from South of the border who don't see themselves as Americans and never will.

    As a nation of 330 million people, the third most populous country in the world, I don’t see why we should be admitting as immigrants any more than a relatively small number of foreigners, say about 100,000 or even less per year. The last thing we need is a large number (or even a small number) of backward, illiterate third worlders who come from cultures having no resemblance to ours.

  85. @Jim Sweeney
    Just wondering why it was "dumb" of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it's the best deal one can make in the most important part of life.

    He married a professional sport slut who gets half naked for black players and walks around in stripper gear.

    And he got her after her prime and after she’d been a jock slut.

    Yeah, Rubio’s a genius. (/sarcasm)

    Honestly, I hope Latino Bambi got a DNA test on all his kids.

  86. I use IE 11, and this browser has disappeared the body of all your recent posts.

  87. @Lagertha
    Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit. Jihaddies all over Paris killing people like the creeps that they are. Now, how am I supposed to ever get over Islamophobia? This will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!

    his will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!

    The US and Europe have been receiving deadly wake-up calls for over 20 years but little changes in the immigration and foreign policies of the US and Europe,

  88. Not sure what happened, but when I pull up your blog, I only get the headlines and the comments section, not the article. Any ideas? I didn’t change anything.

  89. Death toll is now at 100 thanks to Muslim Vibrant DIEversity. But lets go back to worrying about non existant KKK marches which is the real threat to Western civilization according to the Left.

  90. @Lagertha
    Eagles of Death, an unfortunate name for a band that didn't get a chance to perform tonight. France has closed it's borders....I want Finland and the rest of Europe to close their borders, too.

    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France…. Only, aren’t we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?

  91. http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2

    But let’s not forget the #1 priority in France.

    Lock up Marine Le Pen for saying unkind things about Muslims.

    “Not the kind of guy who says I told you so,”

  92. In honor of Jihadi Johnny…

    Terrorist Lives Matter.

  93. @AndrewR
    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.

    It is leaving. Companies are not expanding in California. They are expanding outside of California and when they have to cut back those in California lose their jobs first.

  94. Hi there Steve. Just wanted to let you know I’m a little bit late on the donation issue, waiting for the dollar to go down a little bit so you get more value(I’m a foreigner, with a troublesome currency) Hopefully next week. Best wishes. TB

  95. Death toll reaches 140.

  96. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    “[Cruz] supported a massive expansion of the H-1B program, a 500 percent increase,” [Rubio] said.

    Is basic numeracy too much to ask for? According to
    http://www.computerworld.com/article/2900126/ted-cruz-the-presidential-candidate-who-wants-to-increase-the-h-1b-cap-by-500.html ,
    Cruz ... once proposed an immediate increase in the base H-1B cap from 65,000 to 325,000.

    This is a 5-fold (325,000/65,000 = 5) increase, which is an increase of 400 percent, not 500 percent. (Even the headline writer of that linked-to article got it wrong: "Cruz ... wants to increase the H-1B cap by 500%")

    Not if you leave out the word “by”. If we are going to pick nits.

  97. @Lagertha
    Eagles of Death, an unfortunate name for a band that didn't get a chance to perform tonight. France has closed it's borders....I want Finland and the rest of Europe to close their borders, too.

    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France…. Only, aren’t we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    as my grandfather said, "today is different."
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    Well, Hollande is sealing the borders because they don't want the likely numerous accomplices to escape the country. Obviously the liberals see no moral problem with sealing the borders if the intention is to keep Muslims in.
    , @tbraton
    "Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France…. Only, aren’t we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?"

    Well, Hollande is obviously planning to run for reelection, and what better platform could he ask for than to run on the proposition that he performed the "impossible." Besides, sealing the borders actually sends a clear message to the Muslim terrorists that "you can come to France and kill as many Frenchmen as you can, but don't think for a minute that you will escape justice or France." Those "cheese eating surrender monkeys" really know how to get tough when they want to.

    BTW (in response to earlier messages, not yours), it is unfair to blame Holande for the Libya disaster. It was his predecessor, Sarkozy, who was pushing for the "no fly zone" together with the Brit PM Cameron. Of course, that disaster would not have occurred had not our idiot President Obama gone along with the strong advice of Samantha Power, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton.
  98. The last eight isteve posts, from “The White Death by State” to this one are all showing up as headlines only with no actual content. There are word counts. This one says “600 words” From the comments, it looks like at least some other people are seeing content. I’ve tried several browsers, including a Tor browser (which should stop any intermediate stripping) and two different access networks so I’m very puzzled about what’s going on. Anyone else seeing this?

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I had the same problem about an hour and a half ago. But it all seems fine now. What we really need is some thinking about the Paris attacks ...... aside from the obvious; that the implosion of the Muslim world is going to create refugees, and that has to be addressed, and not by just throwing open the door ......

    Oh, and we also need some discussion about this excellent editorial from Claremont, it appears there are still some stones to be found there.

    http://claremontindependent.com/we-dissent/

  99. @Anonymous

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    Yeah, Rubio is beating Cruz in the latest polls, despite Cruz's relative tougher stand against immigration in the recent debate, presumably because Rubio is likeable, telegenic, and affable, while Cruz is oleaginous, funny looking, and comes across as insincere. Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    That’s interesting, because Carson is a non-entity on immigration.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "That’s interesting, because Carson is a non-entity on immigration."

    About the only thing he has taken a clear position on is his insistence that he did indeed hit his mother on the head with a hammer. BTW I came across this funny observation by the usually funny Mark Steyn yesterday:

    "So I'm less persuaded than other pundits that Jeb has staunched the bleeding. He's at four per cent in the most recent Fox and Quinnipiac polls, so there's a limit to how much more he can bleed anyway. But did he reverse his fortunes? No. He and Ben Carson both began the debate with something to prove - Bush that he isn't just a legacy pick who's not up to it, Carson that he wasn't damaged by the sudden forensic attention to his autobiography. I confess I don't quite get the good doctor's appeal, but a mild-mannered man insisting that he attacked his mother with his hammer is certainly a novel kind of candidacy and there seems to be a market for it. He shored up his support far better than Jeb did his."

    Apparently, Donald Trump, Mark Steyn and I are the only ones who seem to find this claim by Carson to be absurdly funny.

    P.S.--I seem to recall that Carson at the second debate insisted that part of his plan to get tough on the 11-12-or whatever million illegal aliens in the U.S. was to give them all the option of working in agriculture. In fact, I posted about his remarks. https://www.unz.com/isteve/gop-debate-open-thread/#comment-1144739
  100. Steve, can we have a siege of Paris thread? This could be the incident that turns the tide on the Islamification of Europe.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    It's an interesting question whether this makes Houellebecq's more or less likely.
  101. Yikes, this is really, really bad.

    Maybe now the French will take their country back? Mon Dieu!

  102. OT: Your boy Gary Pinkel is resigning… due in part to lymphona diagnosis.

  103. The death toll has increased to 158, thanks Islam. Not even the KKK has ever killed this many people in just 1 day. Islamic terrorists make the KKK look like choir boys in comparison.

    The number of dead bodies that “The Religion Of Peace” have taken in just 1 day would make the Sonora Mexican drug cartel blush.

  104. @Jill
    What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning...

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-immigration-system-marco-rubio-wanted/article/2576240

    What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning…

    Thanks Jill, we can never forgot this. On DAY ONE of Rubio’s proposed amnesty, something like 15 million illegal aliens who are subject, right now, to deportation, would no longer be deportable. And they could then begin brining in others, joining the legal labor force, etc.

    Rubio was and still is eager to end of America as we know it in favor of a fatter, colder version of Brazil.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Rubio was and still is eager to end of America as we know it in favor of a fatter, colder version of Brazil."

    Even though America will turn into a Brazil, unfortunately in this new America the women will be nowhere near as traditionally girly Feminine as the women in Brazil because of America's Left Wing man hating Feminist SWPL Social Justice Warrior Lesbian culture.

    Say what you want about Brazil and all of its cons, you can't deny the fact that Brazil has some of the most traditionally Feminine women in the world. Brazil gives the women of East Asia/Southeast Asia a run for their money in how women should traditionally behave.

    Even Roosh V and other PUA guys who have traveled to Brazil notice Brazilian women on average are more Feminine than American women. A kid in K-12 public schools in America can not even hug his Female classmate friend without being suspended from school for being accused of sexual harassment.

    America will gain all of Brazils cons but none of Brazil's pros.

  105. @Percy Gryce
    Steve, can we have a siege of Paris thread? This could be the incident that turns the tide on the Islamification of Europe.

    It’s an interesting question whether this makes Houellebecq’s more or less likely.

  106. @Cloudbuster
    The last eight isteve posts, from "The White Death by State" to this one are all showing up as headlines only with no actual content. There are word counts. This one says "600 words" From the comments, it looks like at least some other people are seeing content. I've tried several browsers, including a Tor browser (which should stop any intermediate stripping) and two different access networks so I'm very puzzled about what's going on. Anyone else seeing this?

    I had the same problem about an hour and a half ago. But it all seems fine now. What we really need is some thinking about the Paris attacks …… aside from the obvious; that the implosion of the Muslim world is going to create refugees, and that has to be addressed, and not by just throwing open the door ……

    Oh, and we also need some discussion about this excellent editorial from Claremont, it appears there are still some stones to be found there.

    http://claremontindependent.com/we-dissent/

  107. @Anonymous

    It’s sad that Rubio isn’t smarter, richer, and more independent-minded. As the Likable Latino, he would have been ideal to lead the charge toward immigration sanity.
     
    Yeah, Rubio is beating Cruz in the latest polls, despite Cruz's relative tougher stand against immigration in the recent debate, presumably because Rubio is likeable, telegenic, and affable, while Cruz is oleaginous, funny looking, and comes across as insincere. Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    Rubio is a lying snake on immigration. He says he wants to deport but keep those who have been able to successfully hide for 15 years. This is nothing more than the camels nose. Any legislation built around this will amnesty everybody. First there will be massive fraud as people bring all their handwritten proof they have been here 15 years. There will be an executive branch who will refuse to enforce the law and government employees too lazy to do anything other than swing their rubber stamps. Finally, there will be court challenge after court challenge over the language and terms in the bill. Why 15 years, why not 14, …. all they way down to 0 years. The English language requirement will be washed away like it was for the Reagan amnesty.

  108. @Steve Richter
    very interesting interview with Stanley Greenberg.
    http://www.wnyc.org/story/america-acending/
    He is convinced that California is the future of America. A lot of diversity, veto proof democrat control of government policy, dynamic urban centers. I recall reading Wall Street Journal editorials that California was going to implode. But apparently the state was able to raise taxes without harming the economy and balanced its budget. Greenberg says the Republicans are going to be crushed in elections starting in 2016.

    Did he say WHY they were able to do that?

    Because of Tech IPOs being ballooned to the moon and taxing the proceeds.

    In what sane world is Twitter worth more than Toyota? Facebook worth more than Ford?

    California is a super specialized ecosystem that is absolutely 3rd World once you leave the ultra rich parts. Hell, there’s parts of San Francisco that are absolutely disgusting and wouldn’t be out of place in TJ. Its the techno dystopia Shadowrun predicted.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    " Hell, there’s parts of San Francisco that are absolutely disgusting and wouldn’t be out of place in TJ."

    Some areas of the Mission and the Tenderloin do resemble the 3rd world in terms of the smell and the extremely dirty streets where everyone litters. Also lot of people who are mentally crazy hang out in these areas. They should be in straight jackets and not walking the streets.
  109. @Lot

    What Rubio wanted to foster on America is absolutely stunning…
     
    Thanks Jill, we can never forgot this. On DAY ONE of Rubio's proposed amnesty, something like 15 million illegal aliens who are subject, right now, to deportation, would no longer be deportable. And they could then begin brining in others, joining the legal labor force, etc.

    Rubio was and still is eager to end of America as we know it in favor of a fatter, colder version of Brazil.

    “Rubio was and still is eager to end of America as we know it in favor of a fatter, colder version of Brazil.”

    Even though America will turn into a Brazil, unfortunately in this new America the women will be nowhere near as traditionally girly Feminine as the women in Brazil because of America’s Left Wing man hating Feminist SWPL Social Justice Warrior Lesbian culture.

    Say what you want about Brazil and all of its cons, you can’t deny the fact that Brazil has some of the most traditionally Feminine women in the world. Brazil gives the women of East Asia/Southeast Asia a run for their money in how women should traditionally behave.

    Even Roosh V and other PUA guys who have traveled to Brazil notice Brazilian women on average are more Feminine than American women. A kid in K-12 public schools in America can not even hug his Female classmate friend without being suspended from school for being accused of sexual harassment.

    America will gain all of Brazils cons but none of Brazil’s pros.

  110. @Jack D
    I think you are reading Rubio completely wrong. There are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    here are two types of immigrant families: those who want to bring their native countries, customs and languages with them and remake America in their image, and those who come here to get the hell AWAY from their native countries and their screwed up way of doing things and to join Team America. Rubio is from the latter school of thought.

    Of course, what you are ignoring is that life in these screwed up native countries is often very good for the upper echelon. Slo someone who anticipates being in the upper echelon may well fell the American way is superior, but have no problem remaking America in the image of his forbears’ dysfunctional nation, because the problems won’t be his.

  111. @Jack Hanson
    Did he say WHY they were able to do that?

    Because of Tech IPOs being ballooned to the moon and taxing the proceeds.

    In what sane world is Twitter worth more than Toyota? Facebook worth more than Ford?

    California is a super specialized ecosystem that is absolutely 3rd World once you leave the ultra rich parts. Hell, there's parts of San Francisco that are absolutely disgusting and wouldn't be out of place in TJ. Its the techno dystopia Shadowrun predicted.

    ” Hell, there’s parts of San Francisco that are absolutely disgusting and wouldn’t be out of place in TJ.”

    Some areas of the Mission and the Tenderloin do resemble the 3rd world in terms of the smell and the extremely dirty streets where everyone litters. Also lot of people who are mentally crazy hang out in these areas. They should be in straight jackets and not walking the streets.

  112. @Bill Jones
    And just to keep folks up to date, Ms Click has shuffled off the Missouri coil.

    http://journalism.missouri.edu/2015/11/dean-david-kurpius-comments-on-students-coverage-of-protest-on-carnahan-quad/

    (where apparently, she never really was)

    She’s still at U of Missouri a Communications Asst. Prof.

    She just lost her courtesy cross appointment in Journalism. No biggie. Though nice for the Journalism faculty to take a strong free speech stand, they could hardly do otherwise.

  113. @Anonymous
    "Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit."

    They took a big hit or got a much needed shot in the arm?

    extermination.

  114. @Robert Abrahamsen
    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France.... Only, aren't we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?

    as my grandfather said, “today is different.”

  115. @Realist
    "But instead in 2013 he signed up to lead what the Republican Brain Trust and its billionaire backers was telling him was a sure thing "

    You can't run for free, if you want money to run...on your knees you must be.

    You can’t run for free, if you want money to run…on your knees you must be.

    I think your adage does not apply to Trump.

  116. @Robert Abrahamsen
    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France.... Only, aren't we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?

    Well, Hollande is sealing the borders because they don’t want the likely numerous accomplices to escape the country. Obviously the liberals see no moral problem with sealing the borders if the intention is to keep Muslims in.

  117. @Lagertha
    Limiting Immigration and stopping the migrants just took a big hit. Jihaddies all over Paris killing people like the creeps that they are. Now, how am I supposed to ever get over Islamophobia? This will be a wake-up call for all Europeans, Americans, Canadians, etc. Of course, it is Friday the 13th!

    can you guys just let me be visceral and atavistic in my feelings about Paris? And, sigh, agree that I saw this coming since 1978 when I was touring Europe with backpack, going to Bob Dylan concerts. (Ok, admit that I am trying to cheer people up.) A first time: I do not seem to have any friends and family among the victims, but I still wanna kill the Jihaddies with a pop to their throat…or a gun.

  118. @Mark Minter
    Like I have said in the past, I assume Sailer writes "esoterically" and I can read anything I want into a post.

    The NYT is talking about the 3rd and 4th place candidate in mid-Nov, when we are about a week, 10 days from the "acceleration time" of the Holidays, then 3 weeks after New Years and it's on. And neither of these two guys has a prayer's chance in hell of finishing in the top 2. The skewing of the primaries intentionally done in past years to benefit the front runner (who typical was GOPe's guy) has almost insured that Trump will roar out Super Tuesday massively ahead. The states in the first primaries other than Iowa are exactly the toothless, low info voters that pundits claim are Trump people.

    They only thing they can hope is some self implosion. The latest prayer involves the Fort Dodge speech that they claim was a rant. I am at 57 minutes into the 1 hour 45 minute talk and I personally haven't heard anything I would consider outrageous. He's like a New York dad at Thanksgiving going off about shit he thinks is really messed up. Sure, if you aren't a supporter, particularly if his ideas on immigration annoy or offend you, then you would hate this speech.

    To write about Rubio and Cruz at this point is slightly more relevant than speaking about Steve Forbes and Alan Keyes in Nov 1999. I had to look into Wikipedia to even get those names. They didn't matter.

    The NYT will bend over backwards to avoid saying the T word and I am surprised they even wrote about the I word in the first place.

    People who have seen a lot of these races know that outsider candidates often fade just before Iowa. They also know that the low information voters in FL, SC, and NV usually start paying attention after IA.

    If Trump loses ground and doesn’t win IA, the narrative will be what a loser Trump is and his support outside the tiny minority that follow things online will crater. That’s why almost everyone who knows is predicting that Rubio will win the Republican nomination. Rubio has insider support in Washington that will re-inflate and re-inflate his narrative and chances in the national media again and again even if he loses several states. Meanwhile if Trump loses any states, the media will be talking him down nonstop as a lost cause.

    We’ve seen this before with insurgents. Remember Steve Forbes led the delegate count for a month in the middle of the ’96 campaign and never got taken seriously as a candidate by the press. Howard Dean led in the polls for months in 2004. In both cases, the party insiders hated them and easily destroyed them in spite of money and support.

    One of the candidates will start putting up ads attacking Trump specifically. Could be Bush or his superpac. They’ll hit him for being pro-choice for years and for wanting to work with Putin and for opposing endless wars in the Middle East and for wanting to have health care for poor people. Whichever sticks, they’ll drive it home again and again. It won’t help the guy who does it, but it might get him a cabinet job someday. Trump won’t be able to hit back because the attacker is too low in the polls to care about.

    They’ll lie and cover up Rubio’s record on immigration. How many people seeing the debate would know that Rubio is way to the left of Bernie Sanders and Hillary on amnesty, indentured ‘guest’ workers, and border security? Rubio was Obama’s leader in the Senate on the Obama amnesty bill and worked his butt off getting it through the Senate before it faded out in the House. Nobody is going to know that if the press and the Republican Party can obscure the details.

    Everyone’s going to act like it’s just common sense to send troops to Syria and Ukraine and get into a shooting war with Russia. They’re going to suggest on television across IA and NH that we’d do great there and that Putin is some kind of monster dictator who somehow wins overwhelming support in open elections against various opposition political parties that each mysteriously have their own representatives in the parliament.

    And Trump will be portrayed as a bigoted dangerous radical. Constantly.

    The reason the third and fourth place men in the polls are treated as the leaders in the race is because they are. It would take a miracle — or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they’re told on television — for Trump to have a chance.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    It would take a miracle — or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they’re told on television — for Trump to have a chance.
     
    You are probably correct that the GOP will do what it takes to sink Trump and that he won't get the nomination. But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he'd ensure the GOP will not win. Given that some GOP types have already expressed the view that they will not support Trump even if he were the GOP nominee, I don't see anything wrong with Trump if he did run as a third party guy.
  119. @AndrewR
    Exactly. While Rube-io represents all of FL, and undoubtedly much of the north would support immigration resitriction, Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it's far from Mexico. Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don't think they're a powerful force in any Latino community.

    “Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it’s far from Mexico”

    Huh? Far from Mexico?

    Miami is closer to Cancún than it is to Tallahassee. It’s closer to Cuba than it is to Tampa.

    Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don’t think they’re a powerful force in any Latino community.

    You might be surprised. Latinos are not monolithic and many waited years in line and are the hardest hit by wage drops because of illegals. Those are the ones that are most likely to vote.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Not sure if you've noticed there's water between Cancun and Miami, but none between Miami and Tallahassee. And Cuba isn't in Mexico.

    I've certainly seen Latino immigrants supportive of tougher immigration enforcement online, but my general impression is that La Raza comes first. I'm sure it depends on one's occupation and whiteness level. Persons in direct competition with immigrants for jobs are going to support strong immigration control. And whiter Mexicans are probably less likely to identify with their brown compatriots than they are with white Anglos. Of course the whitest Mexicans tend to stay in Mexico.
  120. @AndrewR
    I said "a place in a foreign country." Spanish is the primary language in large parts of the US but it is not the primary language in the US. Perhaps I could have used clearer language but I thought the analogy would be obvious.

    "I can’t imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language."

    Well I'm not calling you a liar but obviously you are an extreme minority. How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands' primary tongues? There is very little need.

    "When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you?"

    Actually there are a sizeable number of people in Mexico (well over one million) who speak Aztecan languages, many of who can't even really speak Spanish.

    How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands’ primary tongues? There is very little need.

    Andrew, I don’t think your example is an apt counter point to tbraton. US military personnel do not move to those countries to become part of those societies. They get transferred there in the service of the US DoD for a limited term, usually 2 to 4 years, and have no pretenses of staying and becoming citizens. Those that meet and marry locals often do stay and integrate into society.

    Mexicans coming to the US presumably come here to join our work force and eventually obtain legals status if not outright citizenship. Additionally they partake from the US social safety net. So you would assume they would try to learn English.

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    It wasn't a perfect analogy but there is no scenario directly analogous to Mexicans in the US: large numbers of Anglophones move to a foreign land to form insular communities in which most newcomers live and work in an illegal capacity.

    I mean... Maybe the Nigerians in Guangzhou? Lol

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.

     

    "Over half" is what? 90%? 95%?

    I can't believe any illegals are meeting minimum thresholds, other than a few expired H-1Bs.
  121. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MKP
    "Just wondering why it was “dumb” of Rubio to marry the cheerleader who has now given him children and still looks terrific?

    Seems to me it’s the best deal one can make in the most important part of life."

    I second the question. If he was smart, he would have married some high-earning, ball-busting snot? Who resented him no matter what he was able to earn or accomplish? What would that have proved?

    Commenter “whorefinder” is a red pill guy. I doubt he would have encouraged Rubio to marry “some high-earning, ball-busting snot.” I think he would have encouraged Rubio to pump and dump the cheerleader, who was probably a carousel rider for years before settling down, rather than make her the steward of his household and mother of his children.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Bingo. I did say that. That comment was a bit colorful, however, and it didn't come out of moderation.
  122. @(((Owen)))
    People who have seen a lot of these races know that outsider candidates often fade just before Iowa. They also know that the low information voters in FL, SC, and NV usually start paying attention after IA.

    If Trump loses ground and doesn't win IA, the narrative will be what a loser Trump is and his support outside the tiny minority that follow things online will crater. That's why almost everyone who knows is predicting that Rubio will win the Republican nomination. Rubio has insider support in Washington that will re-inflate and re-inflate his narrative and chances in the national media again and again even if he loses several states. Meanwhile if Trump loses any states, the media will be talking him down nonstop as a lost cause.

    We've seen this before with insurgents. Remember Steve Forbes led the delegate count for a month in the middle of the '96 campaign and never got taken seriously as a candidate by the press. Howard Dean led in the polls for months in 2004. In both cases, the party insiders hated them and easily destroyed them in spite of money and support.

    One of the candidates will start putting up ads attacking Trump specifically. Could be Bush or his superpac. They'll hit him for being pro-choice for years and for wanting to work with Putin and for opposing endless wars in the Middle East and for wanting to have health care for poor people. Whichever sticks, they'll drive it home again and again. It won't help the guy who does it, but it might get him a cabinet job someday. Trump won't be able to hit back because the attacker is too low in the polls to care about.

    They'll lie and cover up Rubio's record on immigration. How many people seeing the debate would know that Rubio is way to the left of Bernie Sanders and Hillary on amnesty, indentured 'guest' workers, and border security? Rubio was Obama's leader in the Senate on the Obama amnesty bill and worked his butt off getting it through the Senate before it faded out in the House. Nobody is going to know that if the press and the Republican Party can obscure the details.

    Everyone's going to act like it's just common sense to send troops to Syria and Ukraine and get into a shooting war with Russia. They're going to suggest on television across IA and NH that we'd do great there and that Putin is some kind of monster dictator who somehow wins overwhelming support in open elections against various opposition political parties that each mysteriously have their own representatives in the parliament.

    And Trump will be portrayed as a bigoted dangerous radical. Constantly.

    The reason the third and fourth place men in the polls are treated as the leaders in the race is because they are. It would take a miracle -- or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they're told on television -- for Trump to have a chance.

    It would take a miracle — or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they’re told on television — for Trump to have a chance.

    You are probably correct that the GOP will do what it takes to sink Trump and that he won’t get the nomination. But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he’d ensure the GOP will not win. Given that some GOP types have already expressed the view that they will not support Trump even if he were the GOP nominee, I don’t see anything wrong with Trump if he did run as a third party guy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he’d ensure the GOP will not win.
     
    Trump running third could easily throw the election to the House. That was George Wallace's strategy, and he almost pulled it off.

    That would be wholly legitimate, and great fun. 2000 squared!
    , @MarkinLA
    NumbersUSA has already come out and stated that Rubio as President and Ryan as speaker mean amnesty in 2017. That message, if it get distributed wide enough, could just sink any Rubio campaign like the no-shows sank Romney.
  123. @AndrewR

    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern “extra-constitutionally.” Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?
     
    Taking extraconstitutional actions has certainly worked for Obama.

    Very good point. Bizarrely, Obama may have set the Presidential-authority precedents for what Trump will have to do if elected. I admit I’m conflicted on the executive amnesty issue; I don’t think that the President has any such authority, and the policy itself is disastrous, but if the SCOTUS says he does, Trump may have the authority to do what needs doing (e.g., summary deportations and expulsions, revocation of citizenship, etc.). Again, sad to have come to such a situation.

  124. @AndrewR
    Even today, one can't get by without English "anywhere" in the US. But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles? Hand-wringing over whether this is right won't change whether it happens. If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you'd learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn't feel you needed to.

    But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles?

    You mean, “por qué aprender inglés?” or better yet, “para qué aprender inglés?”. Para implies intention while por asks for an impersonal cause. The Real Academia Española explains the rest here: http://www.rae.es/consultas/porque-porque-por-que-por-que

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    lol I know; I was on my computer and don't know how to do the accents without copypasting. I've read there's some keyboard wizardry one can perform but I've tried it and it's never worked for me. Pero gracias por corregir mi ortografia ಠ_ಠ
  125. @Anonymous
    Commenter "whorefinder" is a red pill guy. I doubt he would have encouraged Rubio to marry "some high-earning, ball-busting snot." I think he would have encouraged Rubio to pump and dump the cheerleader, who was probably a carousel rider for years before settling down, rather than make her the steward of his household and mother of his children.

    Bingo. I did say that. That comment was a bit colorful, however, and it didn’t come out of moderation.

  126. @AndrewR
    Serious question: why did the tech industry take off in CA and why hasnt it left? Inertia is a powerful force but it has its limits.

    The tech industry grew in California because of the political climate and largely stays there because of the political climate.

    Civil digital computers were first developed in Massachusetts and New Jersey. Integrated circuits were invented in Texas. All of those states recognized non-compete agreements and various other restrictions on employees leaving, hiring their old cow-orkers, and starting up new firms.

    Silicon Valley was the place you could go and start over again. And again. There were no non-competes. The CA Supreme Court declared them all illegal. If you did stay with a big company, corporate HQ on the East coast was far away and couldn’t stop you from innovating.

    William Shockley, an iSteve favorite, came to SV for the freedom to work on transistors without AT&T forcing him to share credit and denying him the help he needed. The whole Intel team developed out of his efforts by freely leaving two different employers before finding space to build their own vision. The founders of Intel are known as the “traitorous eight.” Everything they did would have been illegal on the East coast because of trade secret and noncompete law.

    Xerox invented laser printers and modern computer interfaces and ethernet in Palo Alto because the Xerox HQ wanted to fire the scientists that were disrupting their business from the inside. Goldman and Pake started PARC to get space to build things 3000 miles away from the suits.

    Sand Hill Road was far enough from Wall Street to build its own standards for investment. If the banks knew what venture capitalists in CA were doing, it would be illegal. But in SV, you could make big bets and see a few of them pay off.

    Sure, the taxes are 4% higher and lately the locals have driven up real estate prices by refusing to allow any property development, but Silicon Valley has freedom from central corporate control that doesn’t exist anywhere else in the USA. That’s why SV is the center of tech.

    I don’t know where in the USA you suppose would be better anyway. Everyplace with highly educated people has some disadvantage.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    I didn't suppose anywhere. Thats why I asked. Good comment anyway.
  127. @tbraton
    "If you moved to a place in a foreign land where most people where most people were native Anglophones I doubt you’d learn the language of the broader country. Or at least you wouldn’t feel you needed to."

    That's where you are absolutely wrong. If I were to move to a foreign country, I certainly would go to great lengths to master the language of that country. I can't imagine moving to a country and not wanting to know the native language. If the country had a majority of the people speaking English, wouldn't that make English the native language? When you go to Mexico, you don't find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.

    When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.

    I run into a lot. Sometimes I see legal public notices at some local ayuntamiento in Mexico City published and posted in the central plaza only in Nahuatl. I speak only Spanish so I don’t know what they say. I meet people in the provinces that don’t speak Spanish and their kids have to translate for me.

    There are about eight million speakers of Mexica (or Aztec) and other Nahuatl dialects around Mexico. A few million Mexicans don’t speak Spanish. They’re mostly older, though; the young generation is with the program.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I speak only Spanish so I don’t know what they say.
     
    For someone who speaks only Spanish, you write pretty coherent English. Or use a translator far better than Google's.
  128. @SteveM
    Republicans are not against open floodgate immigration per se. They are against immigration that leads to citizenship. Because from their PoV, that means Democratic voters.

    Republicans are happy to happy to accommodate the Crony Capitalists by providing an endless stream of guest workers. From the American citizen-worker perspective, the effect is the same. I.e. they get shut out of jobs and access to decent wages whether the immigrants can vote or not.

    And the Tech Cronies are supporting immigration reform for one thing only – a flood of H-1Bs to displace American technologists. Nobody excepting Senators Session and Grassley speaks for them. Not Cruz, not Rubio, not nobody on Capitol Hill. The Crony-Politicos like Cruz are happy to sell out American STEM workers.

    P.S. notice how Elites like Cruz never accuse American Banksters like his wife (Goldman Sachs) of not being the “Best and Brightest” who should be replaced by H-1B foreigners. The Elite locus of cushy high paying jobs is nicely insulated from what happens to the rest of us.

    But of course.

    We live in an era of Mass Everything–now automated.

    They can make hundreds billions of dollars by cutting millions of wages by a few dollars here and there year after year, then to zero.

    Get rid of the elites? Fneh. Half a million at most here and there.

    It’s the principles of retailing. Would you rather make a penny on every roll of toilet paper that will ever be sold? Or a million bucks on every bankster job that will ever be cut?

    Quick, import more butts! I hear there are a billion Moose Limb butts and a billion Asian butts! Two billion butts–hm, what would it cost to get them all using a western-style toilet? Great! Get the taxpayers to pay for it! What do you mean they don’t have jobs? Surely there’s more we can take from them?!

    Just tell them that whatever they have, they will have less, if they don’t hand what they have over, and when they do hand it over they’ll have more because it’s good because all those butts are downtrodden children lying face down on the beach, plus America Is An Immigrant Nation. They’ll be so scared and confused, they won’t think to rebel. If they do, we’ve got entire warehouses full of tanks of Dissent-B-Gone in 15 flavors!

    Bring me butts!

  129. @(((Owen)))
    The tech industry grew in California because of the political climate and largely stays there because of the political climate.

    Civil digital computers were first developed in Massachusetts and New Jersey. Integrated circuits were invented in Texas. All of those states recognized non-compete agreements and various other restrictions on employees leaving, hiring their old cow-orkers, and starting up new firms.

    Silicon Valley was the place you could go and start over again. And again. There were no non-competes. The CA Supreme Court declared them all illegal. If you did stay with a big company, corporate HQ on the East coast was far away and couldn't stop you from innovating.

    William Shockley, an iSteve favorite, came to SV for the freedom to work on transistors without AT&T forcing him to share credit and denying him the help he needed. The whole Intel team developed out of his efforts by freely leaving two different employers before finding space to build their own vision. The founders of Intel are known as the "traitorous eight." Everything they did would have been illegal on the East coast because of trade secret and noncompete law.

    Xerox invented laser printers and modern computer interfaces and ethernet in Palo Alto because the Xerox HQ wanted to fire the scientists that were disrupting their business from the inside. Goldman and Pake started PARC to get space to build things 3000 miles away from the suits.

    Sand Hill Road was far enough from Wall Street to build its own standards for investment. If the banks knew what venture capitalists in CA were doing, it would be illegal. But in SV, you could make big bets and see a few of them pay off.

    Sure, the taxes are 4% higher and lately the locals have driven up real estate prices by refusing to allow any property development, but Silicon Valley has freedom from central corporate control that doesn't exist anywhere else in the USA. That's why SV is the center of tech.

    I don't know where in the USA you suppose would be better anyway. Everyplace with highly educated people has some disadvantage.

    I didn’t suppose anywhere. Thats why I asked. Good comment anyway.

  130. @iSteveFan

    How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands’ primary tongues? There is very little need.
     
    Andrew, I don't think your example is an apt counter point to tbraton. US military personnel do not move to those countries to become part of those societies. They get transferred there in the service of the US DoD for a limited term, usually 2 to 4 years, and have no pretenses of staying and becoming citizens. Those that meet and marry locals often do stay and integrate into society.

    Mexicans coming to the US presumably come here to join our work force and eventually obtain legals status if not outright citizenship. Additionally they partake from the US social safety net. So you would assume they would try to learn English.

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.

    It wasn’t a perfect analogy but there is no scenario directly analogous to Mexicans in the US: large numbers of Anglophones move to a foreign land to form insular communities in which most newcomers live and work in an illegal capacity.

    I mean… Maybe the Nigerians in Guangzhou? Lol

  131. @(((Owen)))

    But in much of the SW and southern FL, por que aprender ingles?
     
    You mean, "por qué aprender inglés?" or better yet, "para qué aprender inglés?". Para implies intention while por asks for an impersonal cause. The Real Academia Española explains the rest here: http://www.rae.es/consultas/porque-porque-por-que-por-que

    lol I know; I was on my computer and don’t know how to do the accents without copypasting. I’ve read there’s some keyboard wizardry one can perform but I’ve tried it and it’s never worked for me. Pero gracias por corregir mi ortografia ಠ_ಠ

  132. @(((Owen)))

    "Miami is basically the capital of Latin America even if it’s far from Mexico"
     
    Huh? Far from Mexico?

    Miami is closer to Cancún than it is to Tallahassee. It's closer to Cuba than it is to Tampa.

    Latino immigration restrictionists may exist but I don’t think they’re a powerful force in any Latino community.
     
    You might be surprised. Latinos are not monolithic and many waited years in line and are the hardest hit by wage drops because of illegals. Those are the ones that are most likely to vote.

    Not sure if you’ve noticed there’s water between Cancun and Miami, but none between Miami and Tallahassee. And Cuba isn’t in Mexico.

    I’ve certainly seen Latino immigrants supportive of tougher immigration enforcement online, but my general impression is that La Raza comes first. I’m sure it depends on one’s occupation and whiteness level. Persons in direct competition with immigrants for jobs are going to support strong immigration control. And whiter Mexicans are probably less likely to identify with their brown compatriots than they are with white Anglos. Of course the whitest Mexicans tend to stay in Mexico.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Not sure if you’ve noticed there’s water between Cancun and Miami, but none between Miami and Tallahassee. And Cuba isn’t in Mexico.
     
    What? Oh, now I'm going to have to re-plan our whole family Christmas road trip.

    I don't think you should expect a Trump majority of the Chicano vote anywhere, but it's going to be closer than the GOP establishment is suggesting. The Governator surprised them with his share as well. Certainly it won't be like facing Obama's share of the black vote.
  133. @Robert Abrahamsen
    Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France.... Only, aren't we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?

    “Yes, Hollande has reportedly sealed the borders of France…. Only, aren’t we incessantly scolded that sealing the borders of a nation is actually impossible?”

    Well, Hollande is obviously planning to run for reelection, and what better platform could he ask for than to run on the proposition that he performed the “impossible.” Besides, sealing the borders actually sends a clear message to the Muslim terrorists that “you can come to France and kill as many Frenchmen as you can, but don’t think for a minute that you will escape justice or France.” Those “cheese eating surrender monkeys” really know how to get tough when they want to.

    BTW (in response to earlier messages, not yours), it is unfair to blame Holande for the Libya disaster. It was his predecessor, Sarkozy, who was pushing for the “no fly zone” together with the Brit PM Cameron. Of course, that disaster would not have occurred had not our idiot President Obama gone along with the strong advice of Samantha Power, Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton.

  134. @Cloudbuster
    Rubio would still have to be tougher on immigration to beat Carson and Trump though.

    That's interesting, because Carson is a non-entity on immigration.

    “That’s interesting, because Carson is a non-entity on immigration.”

    About the only thing he has taken a clear position on is his insistence that he did indeed hit his mother on the head with a hammer. BTW I came across this funny observation by the usually funny Mark Steyn yesterday:

    “So I’m less persuaded than other pundits that Jeb has staunched the bleeding. He’s at four per cent in the most recent Fox and Quinnipiac polls, so there’s a limit to how much more he can bleed anyway. But did he reverse his fortunes? No. He and Ben Carson both began the debate with something to prove – Bush that he isn’t just a legacy pick who’s not up to it, Carson that he wasn’t damaged by the sudden forensic attention to his autobiography. I confess I don’t quite get the good doctor’s appeal, but a mild-mannered man insisting that he attacked his mother with his hammer is certainly a novel kind of candidacy and there seems to be a market for it. He shored up his support far better than Jeb did his.”

    Apparently, Donald Trump, Mark Steyn and I are the only ones who seem to find this claim by Carson to be absurdly funny.

    P.S.–I seem to recall that Carson at the second debate insisted that part of his plan to get tough on the 11-12-or whatever million illegal aliens in the U.S. was to give them all the option of working in agriculture. In fact, I posted about his remarks. https://www.unz.com/isteve/gop-debate-open-thread/#comment-1144739

  135. @iSteveFan

    How many US military members in Japan, Korea or Germany learn more than a few phrases in those lands’ primary tongues? There is very little need.
     
    Andrew, I don't think your example is an apt counter point to tbraton. US military personnel do not move to those countries to become part of those societies. They get transferred there in the service of the US DoD for a limited term, usually 2 to 4 years, and have no pretenses of staying and becoming citizens. Those that meet and marry locals often do stay and integrate into society.

    Mexicans coming to the US presumably come here to join our work force and eventually obtain legals status if not outright citizenship. Additionally they partake from the US social safety net. So you would assume they would try to learn English.

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.

    Note: Fox is reporting this today. Over half of all illegal immigrants in California earn incomes so low that they would be eligible for the state Medicaid system Medi-Cal, a new study has found, just as California is about to extend the health insurance to children in the country illegally.

    “Over half” is what? 90%? 95%?

    I can’t believe any illegals are meeting minimum thresholds, other than a few expired H-1Bs.

  136. @(((Owen)))

    When you go to Mexico, you don’t find many natives who speak the former Aztec language, do you? You learn to speak Spanish.
     
    I run into a lot. Sometimes I see legal public notices at some local ayuntamiento in Mexico City published and posted in the central plaza only in Nahuatl. I speak only Spanish so I don't know what they say. I meet people in the provinces that don't speak Spanish and their kids have to translate for me.

    There are about eight million speakers of Mexica (or Aztec) and other Nahuatl dialects around Mexico. A few million Mexicans don't speak Spanish. They're mostly older, though; the young generation is with the program.

    I speak only Spanish so I don’t know what they say.

    For someone who speaks only Spanish, you write pretty coherent English. Or use a translator far better than Google’s.

  137. @iSteveFan

    It would take a miracle — or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they’re told on television — for Trump to have a chance.
     
    You are probably correct that the GOP will do what it takes to sink Trump and that he won't get the nomination. But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he'd ensure the GOP will not win. Given that some GOP types have already expressed the view that they will not support Trump even if he were the GOP nominee, I don't see anything wrong with Trump if he did run as a third party guy.

    But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he’d ensure the GOP will not win.

    Trump running third could easily throw the election to the House. That was George Wallace’s strategy, and he almost pulled it off.

    That would be wholly legitimate, and great fun. 2000 squared!

  138. @Svigor
    Donald Trump's Rise Sparks Widespread Angst Among Jewish Republicans

    At a recent board meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition, the big donors and high-powered operatives in the room went around the table to make sure they had someone supporting each potential Republican nominee.

    Jeb Bush backers were easy to find. Supporters of Marco Rubio, too, were plentiful. Ted Cruz had friends there, as did Scott Walker, and even George Pataki and Lindsey Graham. The Republican Jewish elite have spread themselves wide across the GOP firmament.

    Yet Donald Trump, who has topped 20% to lead all other Republicans in recent presidential primary polls, and who also leads the pack in both Iowa and New Hampshire, is a different story. An RJC member who was present at the board meeting said he could not recall if Trump had backers there. What is clear is that, despite his surge in the polls, the anti-immigration hard-liner has strikingly little support among prominent Republican Jewish donors, activists and consultants.
     
    So much for the "Jews are prominent everywhere" thing.

    “There are a lot of folks who are, to be charitable, into white identity politics, and to be uncharitable are outright racists, who are supporting Trump,” said Nathan Wurtzel, a Republican political consultant and principal at The Catalyst Group, who is Jewish. “It’s very off-putting and disturbing.”
     
    Oops, there's another area where Jews aren't prominent (because Jewish identity politics are anti-white).

    Can't have the goyim contemplating having for themselves what the Jews have for themselves in Israel.

    Unspoken Jewish oligarch problem with Trump: he doesn't need their money. Doesn't even seem to want it. Big Problem.

    Trump is a very entertaining speaker. In Las Vegas he spoke about his self-financed campaign and the fact that he hadn’t asked any Jews for money. That was a “LOL and SMH” moment.

  139. @iSteveFan

    It would take a miracle — or an informed electorate paying attention to more than what they’re told on television — for Trump to have a chance.
     
    You are probably correct that the GOP will do what it takes to sink Trump and that he won't get the nomination. But I have a feeling if Trump does get railroaded, he will run as a third party candidate despite signing that pledge. If he were to do so, he'd ensure the GOP will not win. Given that some GOP types have already expressed the view that they will not support Trump even if he were the GOP nominee, I don't see anything wrong with Trump if he did run as a third party guy.

    NumbersUSA has already come out and stated that Rubio as President and Ryan as speaker mean amnesty in 2017. That message, if it get distributed wide enough, could just sink any Rubio campaign like the no-shows sank Romney.

  140. @AndrewR
    Not sure if you've noticed there's water between Cancun and Miami, but none between Miami and Tallahassee. And Cuba isn't in Mexico.

    I've certainly seen Latino immigrants supportive of tougher immigration enforcement online, but my general impression is that La Raza comes first. I'm sure it depends on one's occupation and whiteness level. Persons in direct competition with immigrants for jobs are going to support strong immigration control. And whiter Mexicans are probably less likely to identify with their brown compatriots than they are with white Anglos. Of course the whitest Mexicans tend to stay in Mexico.

    Not sure if you’ve noticed there’s water between Cancun and Miami, but none between Miami and Tallahassee. And Cuba isn’t in Mexico.

    What? Oh, now I’m going to have to re-plan our whole family Christmas road trip.

    I don’t think you should expect a Trump majority of the Chicano vote anywhere, but it’s going to be closer than the GOP establishment is suggesting. The Governator surprised them with his share as well. Certainly it won’t be like facing Obama’s share of the black vote.

  141. @Diversity Heretic
    I wonder if Donald Trump, assuming his (unlikely) election, will have to be prepared to govern "extra-constitutionally." Congress, the courts, the bureaucracy, and the media will all oppose his program. Will he need to, in effect, suspend the Constitution and rule by decree?

    There was a book of essays written by some early Reagan Administration appointees, Steering the Elephant. It painted a picture of just how difficult it was to change policies 35 years ago. Since then, liberals have become even more entrenched and their means of resisitance have increased. I fear that we may have to suspend the Constitution in order to preserve the people to whom the Constitution actually matters. Sad that we've come to such choices!

    I’m a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian(except when it’s about immigration). Trump, as Ron Paul has said, is a controlling Authoritarian.

    However, that is exactly what we NEED. The world is on fire, and Immigration is pretty much the center of why it is on fire. He will do whatever it takes, including outside the Constitution to end immigration. And even though I’m a lover of the Constitution, sometimes things need to get done.

    I remember back in school studying the Roman Republic about how every 50 or 100 years, shit would hit the fan and a tyrant would be temporarily elected for like a year or so. They would find the scariest, meanest, most efficient person to be Tyrant for 6 months or a year, to get shit done and clean up house. They would suspend all rules of government for this man to do what was needed. That’s what is necessary now. Trump only really needs one term, just to press the reset button in regards to America.

    My 2 cents…

    • Replies: @PistolPete
    Sorry, they were called Dictators actually.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator
  142. @PistolPete
    I'm a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian(except when it's about immigration). Trump, as Ron Paul has said, is a controlling Authoritarian.

    However, that is exactly what we NEED. The world is on fire, and Immigration is pretty much the center of why it is on fire. He will do whatever it takes, including outside the Constitution to end immigration. And even though I'm a lover of the Constitution, sometimes things need to get done.

    I remember back in school studying the Roman Republic about how every 50 or 100 years, shit would hit the fan and a tyrant would be temporarily elected for like a year or so. They would find the scariest, meanest, most efficient person to be Tyrant for 6 months or a year, to get shit done and clean up house. They would suspend all rules of government for this man to do what was needed. That's what is necessary now. Trump only really needs one term, just to press the reset button in regards to America.

    My 2 cents...

    Sorry, they were called Dictators actually.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dictator

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