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From Politico:

GOP learning wrong lessons from Trump win, Republicans fear

Republican strategists say Trump’s intense reliance on white voters is not a long-term model for success.

By KATIE GLUECK 11/17/16 05:06 AM EST

Only about 55 percent of Hillary Clinton’s voters were white. That dynamic is not sustainable down the road or for other Republicans, some GOP operatives fret.

Republican operatives spent four years warning that the party needed to diversify — or risk a blowout at the ballot box. Donald Trump spent the campaign trafficking in divisive racial rhetoric — and he won anyway.

Now, those who pushed for a more inclusive GOP fear that their party will absorb the wrong takeaways from Trump’s win, and that the momentum behind efforts to expand the Republican tent to include more minorities and young people has evaporated.

Whereas the GOP’s wisemen are still sure that if they’d only passed amnesty, then Univision would have given the GOP great coverage with Hispanics when Jeb ran against Hillary, because who owns Univision, anyway? Haim Saban? Who is that?

“I am very concerned we will take the wrong lessons from this,” said Whit Ayres, a veteran GOP pollster. “Trump showed Republicans could squeeze out one more presidential victory by appealing primarily to white voters, especially against a historically unpopular Democratic nominee. But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”

Trump’s coalition included people who spanned the wealth, education, gender and age spectrums, unified by one theme: the vast majority of them were white.

Trump beat Hillary Clinton with white women (with 53 percent support) as well as white men (with 63 percent support). He won white people of every age group, including millennial voters (he won 48 percent of white voters between the ages of 18 and 29 despite losing that demographic overall, 55 percent to 37 percent). He won college-educated white men, white voters without college degrees of both genders, and in some states, like North Carolina, he even won white women with college degrees — a demographic that was expected to serve as a bulwark for Clinton against Trump. And his success was not limited to working-class white voters: He also won voters making more than $100,000, exit polls show.

And this time around, despite the overall white share of the electorate dropping by 2 percentage points, that was enough for Trump. While whites made up roughly 70 percent of the national electorate, more than 85 percent of Trump’s voters were white. That was very helpful in the Midwest states he flipped: Iowa (90 percent white), Ohio (80 percent white), Pennsylvania (81 percent white) and Wisconsin (86 percent white). Michigan, where Trump is currently ahead, is 75 percent white.

By contrast, only about 55 percent of Clinton’s voters were white.

That dynamic is not sustainable down the road or for other Republicans, some GOP operatives fret, noting that the share of the white vote is consistently shrinking each cycle. But the motivation to address that problem, they fear, is gone, overtaken by reveling in last week’s victories.

“The demographics of the country are very clear, and this worked this time, but is it a long-term winning strategy, setting aside rightness or wrongness?” asked one veteran conservative who helped lead the Never Trump movement. “No. I can’t imagine that. So there’s going to have to be an adjustment in that. Sooner or later, the Republican Party, if it’s going to be viable, it has to be more inclusive.”

But, the source noted, “when you win, it’s hard to argue with that.”

After Mitt Romney’s bruising 2012 defeat, a group of Republican leaders fashioned the Growth and Opportunity Project, also known as the GOP “autopsy” report. It heavily emphasized comprehensive immigration reform and stressed the need for a more inclusive approach to minorities, especially Latino voters. Trump, in contrast, kicked off his 2016 presidential bid by referring to undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists” and floating the idea of a deportation force, something he has more recently de-emphasized.

And for Trump, a larger-than-life personality who benefited from being a radical “change” candidate with a unique appeal to white working-class voters, it still worked. In fact, in an election when Clinton struggled to turn out her base, he ended up slightly overperforming Romney among Latino and African-American voters.

And Asians.

But other candidates can’t get away with Trump’s hard-line approach, Republicans warn — even as they fear that the wind has gone out of the sails for a reassessment of how the GOP can improve its standing with minorities.

“I do worry about that,” said Ari Fleischer, a White House press secretary under George W. Bush and author of the Growth and Opportunity Project, when asked about concerns that the lessons of the autopsy report have faded. “Donald Trump is a unique phenomenon who had the ability to change the math. But the demographic math changing our country will continue regardless. And therefore, the ability to appeal to nonwhite voters remains essential to Republican success.”

While Trump did slightly better than Romney with Latinos and African-Americans — 29 percent of the Latino vote vs. 27 percent; 8 percent of the black vote vs. 6 percent, according to exit polls — his numbers were still underwater, in an electorate that grows increasingly less white every year. And heavily Latino states like Arizona and Texas were ultimately significantly closer than in 2012.

But Trump’s overwhelmingly white coalition pulled him across the finish line, and the fact that he won — and that Republicans up and down the ballot won — removes the motivation for deep thinking about how to improve outreach going forward, some operatives warn.

“Of course” it’s harder to focus on those questions after a victory, Ayres said, “That doesn’t mean it’s any less important. Look at turnout. [White] turnout is down, yet again, by 2 points exactly. And that’s not going to stop. That’s going to keep going every election.”

Alex Smith, chairwoman of the College Republican National Committee, led a millennial-minded autopsy report of her own after the 2012 election. It found that undecided young voters associated the party, at the time, with words like “closed-minded, racist, rigid, old-fashioned.” So she and her committee spent years trying to help the party rebuild its brand among young people.

But there’s still work to do, she acknowledged in an interview this week, even as the rest of the party is celebrating its victories up and down the ballot.

Trump showed no improvement with young voters overall: Like Romney, he landed 37 percent support from that demographic, according to exit polls, even though Clinton also did worse with those voters than Barack Obama did.

“In some ways, the short-term high of the victory might paper over some longer-term challenges that we’ll have with millennials,” said Smith, who disavowed Trump after the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape, though she now speaks positively about the new administration.

Pointing to states like Wisconsin, where Trump had better margins among millennials, she continued, “On the one hand, we should be excited about the inroads we’ve made with millennials, backstopping from losing another national election. But those margins are still not sustainable on a long-term basis.”

She called on the new GOP-controlled government to make more efforts to communicate with young voters about why conservative principles, when put into practice, can benefit millennials — “the most diverse generation of millennials in the country’s history.”

“That conversation needs to be happening actively with young people, with women, with minorities … [who] make up such a broad part of that coalition,” she said. “That’s where we have our biggest challenges and greatest opportunities for growth.”

Republican operatives note that senators like Marco Rubio and Rob Portman were successful in landing more diverse coalitions and expressed hope that other candidates would follow their examples — rather than relying too much on replicating Trump’s.

Glenn McCall, another co-author of the GOP autopsy report and the South Carolina Republican National Committeeman, said the RNC deserves credit for organizing in communities of color and said that an improvement with African-American and Latino voters is still an improvement — even if the margin is small.

“It’s going to take a few cycles, but we keep increasing in the voters among people of color,” he said (even though the high-water mark for the GOP’s success with Latinos was George W. Bush in 2004).

Virtually nobody in politics has put together yet that the Bush getting 40% of the Latino vote in 2004, up from 35% in 2000, was due to Bush’s Housing Bubble. In 2002, Bush started denouncing traditional credit standards as unfair to minorities. Aggressive lenders like Angelo Mozilo quickly picked up on the message that federal regulators were being told by their boss to allow riskier mortgages. This worked pretty well in 2004, setting off a sizable but not yet outrageous rise in housing prices, especially in heavily Hispanic regions. The strong housing market provided a lot of construction and mortgage broker jobs to Hispanics and the teaser rate mortgages gave them some extra cashflow for awhile.

But nobody remembered to turn off these policies after the election of 2004. Late in 2004, Fannie Mae, which had been largely sidelined by an accounting scandal, decided to jump back in heavily, making an agreement with Mozilo to fund crappier loans he’d made. Mozilo in turn announced in January 2005 that Countrywide would lend one … trillion … dollars to minorities and lower income households by 2010 and an exuberant housing market turned insane, until it started to blow up in 2007, eventually becoming the central event setting off the global crash of 2008.

I recount all this apparently forgotten history to explain why McCain, who was at least as enthusiastic as Bush about immigration, got only 31% of the Hispanic vote in 2008: the GOP picked up five points among Hispanics by inflating the housing bubble in 2004, but then lost nine when it burst in 2008.

And certainly, Trump improved his party’s standing with white working-class voters, some of whom had previously supported Democrats but rallied to his populist message. But that’s not enough to sustain a coalition going forward, veteran Republicans say.

What the GOP needs is to win back some upscale whites turned off by Trump’s tackiness. The single best way to do that is for Trump to be a good President.

There are other ways as well, such as publicizing the work of independment-minded intellectuals.

 
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  1. That 55% of Clinton’s voters were white leaves a lot of room for the GOP to practice ‘identity’ politics. The GOP could also use its dominance in state legislatures to ban voting by felons. Since Trump is going to deport immigrants with criminal histories anyway removing domestic criminals from the voter base makes sense as who wants judges, sheriffs and prosecutors having to appeal to the ‘criminal vote’. Doing this would make it very hard for the Democrats to flip states Trump won.

    • Agree: Old fogey
    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @unit472

    ALL we need to do is enforce existing laws.
    Citizens only vote.....PROOF required.
    Now that we may be able to get a SCOTUS that doesn't stand in the way of the Constitution, this may become possible.
    Also, if Trump had been even slightly less abrasive, it would have been a blowout.
    We need a strong conservative woman, with a clean history. VP to POTUS.

    , @Rod1963
    @unit472

    Totally agree.

    And lets not forget about supporting Voter ID, which the Democrats are terrified of because it strips them of one of their principal tools - voter fraud.

    Make ID mandatory and millions of Democratic voters vanish along with all the illegals.

  2. This is very ironic, because I predicted they would learn the wrong lessons if Trump lost…

    http://www.twitter.com/_chrisnonymous/status/752669534197157890

  3. Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Lurker

    Diversity is the parallel postulate of American politics. It's seen as axiomatic that America will become increasingly diverse; ergo, the way to appeal to the diverse is by accelerating the process to show you like them.

    Once you realize ever-increasing diversity isn't inevitable, a non-Euclidean politics can emerge.

    Replies: @SFG, @415 reasons

    , @Anonym
    @Lurker

    Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    Because they don't have the key. The key to the cuck cage.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

  4. I guarantee that the vast majority of Hispanics only get their news from liberal media sources. Even if they gave Hispanics amnesty with. Republican president and Republican congress, the liberal media would spin it like this:

    -The Republicans are racist and only passed amnesty so that you would vote for them. How stupid they must think you are that you would fall for this racist trick.
    -The Republicans may have passed amnesty but the Democrats were the ones made it happen by constantly pestering them about it.

    The only move is to deport all illegals and only let whites immigrate while trying to push all of the Hispanics in Texas to California to dilute their vote. While this kind of thought is never allowed in “respectable” circles, the Democrats are openly cheering their plans to turn Texas blue.

    • Agree: NickG
    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @God Emperor Putin

    There is a divergence as to whether the household is primarily English or Spanish dominant. Margins for the left are far higher in the latter.

    What we effectively need is a 'tax' in an economic sense that creates an incentive to abandon the Raza media. Official English only relates to government, and we have further problems thanks to the 1965 VRA.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Fredrik
    @God Emperor Putin

    I may misunderstand something but shouldn't a Republican strategy be to chase illegals in California? The state has plenty of electoral votes and is Democrat. It has plenty of illegals too.

    If Republicans could remove a few electoral votes from California after the next census that would be a huge boost, wouldn't it?

    , @Anoni
    @God Emperor Putin

    Join the movement to extend refugee status to South African Whites. Its morally correct, and if we can get them to settle in the right states, there are enough numbers to matter.

    I am guessing Boers will vote 99% republican. Not a lot of Boers are going to vote for the black party.

  5. anon • Disclaimer says:

    What the GOP needs is to win back some upscale whites turned off by Trump’s tackiness. The single best way to do that is for Trump to be a good President.

    The number 1 narrative plot most embraced by typical Americans is arguably the redemption plot.

    I recall Sylvester Stallone stating that it’s the only movie plot that really interests him. It’s American as apple pie. If Trump rides that plot, it could serve as a kind of universal translator across partisan lines, enough to make a difference, by rallying the already committed, and gentling the condition of his detractors.

    As Patton once said, “America loves a winner, and won’t accept a loser.” Trump, because of his rough, non-elite rhetoric, is a loser to his typical detractors, a danger by his most committed critics. If he begins making strides interpersonally, which doesn’t mean sacrificing his authenticity, he can cool his detractor’s jets enough to make a difference over the long haul.

    The trick is being choosy when picking battles, and knowing when to “let the baby have his bottle.”

  6. Kristol is never right, yet he dismisses those who are right with a condescending laugh. That smirk is getting really annoying.

    The elite have to be right some of the time to qualify as elite.

    The financial crash should have dented their self-confidence, but nothing seems to wipe that cheesy smile off their faces.

    A smirk is not an answer.

  7. Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    • Agree: bomag, Frau Katze
    • Replies: @eah
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes.

    the new America

    Says it all really -- bunch of cucks -- they deserve all the contempt and scorn currently being heaped on them.

    , @Buck Turgidson
    @Dave Pinsen

    Outstanding! We are going to control concentrations of atmospheric gases on a planetary scale, and global climate dynamics, via things like hopelessly complicated, stupid, and impossible global agreements that never work; but, granted, they do get a lot of self-important windbags to meetings in cool places like Paris and Morocco and with big group photos that must look good to some people. Not me, I think they look like garden-variety liberal saps who keep going to the same stupid pointless meetings, with vast billowing clouds of hot air and dust, promising to do the same things that never happen. Yet, they keep going. Watch, we will have 'Rio 2018' and 'Durban 2019' and 'Tiburon 2020' on and on. Nothing ever happens but an agreement to have the next meeting in a cool destination. But, we cannot build a wall and stop immigration -- even though most nations in the world (e.g., Mexico!) do it easily. So it goes with the liberal / communist / globalist / We Are the World "thought" process.

    Replies: @Kyle

    , @Old fogey
    @Dave Pinsen

    Perfectly put, Mr. Pinsen. Bravo

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, trademark this bumper sticker remark.

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Global browning

  8. When it comes to JEB Bush and the people that lost 2008 and 2012 to this asshat con man of a President, I’m all out of patience. Turns out nominating RINOs, pandering to Hispanics, flipping the right-wing position on 10 or 12 issues to the Democrat position not only doesn’t win Democrats of ANY stripe (they STILL demonize you), but then you lose your base. Cater to your base and many off your base come with you. Face the facts that Blacks, Latinos are against you 80/20 and then get the Republican base to the polls while reducing the numbers before it’s too late with the Wall. This is not the last cycle, the NeoCons just want back in. Politico, Steve? Really?

    Call bullshit on global warming and get a legal investigation going. Law and order. Make SOME mention of Christianity. Present a beautiful family, give us someone to be proud of. Jobs, Immigration, no bending, none. Build the Wall. Stop fucking pandering to Democrats, stop reaching across the aisle, stop playing footsy with them. Above all, get the Conservative agenda in and running while you’re in, hold the house and Senate. Toward that end, install hard core Conservatives in the Speaker positions. Lose pussies like Paul Ryan. And then? There is no substitute for good governance.

    That’s how a Conservative policy runs. Listening to ANY of the baby-boomer liberal wing of the RNC is BAD advice. We just saw THEM and an all-out leftwing attack in support of Hillary hammered flat. This base that won can be expanded. But the Bushes, Romney and McCain, all their liberal RNC ilk are done. I wouldn’t return their phone calls.

    I hear Trump is offering Romney the Libyan Embassy. His security will be Barney Fife, one six-shooter, one bullet.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @Jim Christian

    I was with you 100 percent, Mr. Christian (love the name!) until you penned the last paragraph. That was uncalled for, and dare I say it, almost un-Christian.

  9. @Dave Pinsen
    Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    Replies: @eah, @Buck Turgidson, @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @The Millennial Falcon

    Yes.

    the new America

    Says it all really — bunch of cucks — they deserve all the contempt and scorn currently being heaped on them.

  10. I’m not sure it’s possible to be viewed contemporarily as a good president if the press and the intelligence community and the civil service are against you.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Josh


    I’m not sure it’s possible to be viewed contemporarily as a good president if the press and the intelligence community and the civil service are against you.
     
    Given the present state of those institutions, it may be the only way.
  11. The GOP could bring in more college-educated whites and Asians by promising to abolish (or at least restrict) Affrimative-action. This seems highly unlikely, but then again, everyone in 2015 assumed Jeb would be the GOP nominee.

  12. The lesson is pretty simple: stop immigration, build the wall, catalyze the massive self-deportation process, encourage muzzies to emigrate (e.g., $$ incentive, shut down mosques).

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @gjk
    @Buck Turgidson

    "Shut down mosque"

    First amendment. Even Iran let's Christians have their churches. LOL.

  13. @Lurker
    Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonym, @Almost Missouri

    Diversity is the parallel postulate of American politics. It’s seen as axiomatic that America will become increasingly diverse; ergo, the way to appeal to the diverse is by accelerating the process to show you like them.

    Once you realize ever-increasing diversity isn’t inevitable, a non-Euclidean politics can emerge.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Dave Pinsen

    Diversity is not dead if its proponents eternal lie,
    And with strange hairdos even diversity may die.

    Ia! Ia! Trump-Biggurath! The Orange God-Emperor of Manhattan with a Thousand Young!

    , @415 reasons
    @Dave Pinsen

    Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is "move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities" then what is the point?

    For Republican voters the point is standing up against this coalition of insane people trying to turn our country into a one party banana republic. If the Republican leaders think they can win elections by selling out that goal, they're worse than useless. Also, they happen to be totally wrong; they're never going to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    Don't they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn't that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Infuriating.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson, @Honorary Thief

  14. I’m so sick of these pukes blithely crowing about “muh changing demographics.” Ann Coulter said it best:

    “My favorite network for humor is MSNBC. They’re always sneering, demographics are changing. No this isn’t a natural process,” Coulter said. “It’s like you’re being raped and the guy is telling you ‘my penis is in you.’ No, you’re raping me. Demographics are changing by force. There is nothing natural about it.”

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Amasius

    Christopher Hitchens was correct about women generally not being funny. But, like every rule, there are exceptions and Ann Coulter is a glorious one. And she's not even a 4x2 or a dyke.

  15. @Dave Pinsen
    Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    Replies: @eah, @Buck Turgidson, @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @The Millennial Falcon

    Outstanding! We are going to control concentrations of atmospheric gases on a planetary scale, and global climate dynamics, via things like hopelessly complicated, stupid, and impossible global agreements that never work; but, granted, they do get a lot of self-important windbags to meetings in cool places like Paris and Morocco and with big group photos that must look good to some people. Not me, I think they look like garden-variety liberal saps who keep going to the same stupid pointless meetings, with vast billowing clouds of hot air and dust, promising to do the same things that never happen. Yet, they keep going. Watch, we will have ‘Rio 2018’ and ‘Durban 2019’ and ‘Tiburon 2020’ on and on. Nothing ever happens but an agreement to have the next meeting in a cool destination. But, we cannot build a wall and stop immigration — even though most nations in the world (e.g., Mexico!) do it easily. So it goes with the liberal / communist / globalist / We Are the World “thought” process.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Kyle
    @Buck Turgidson

    The Chinese will tell you with a straight face that they are meeting carbon emission standards. And they will believe it, too. The entire society will psych itself into believing the collective lie.
    Our politicians are stupid. They're coddled and were sent to all white schools, and don't understand the Chinese people or culture one bit.

  16. This whole idea that “America is inevitably getting less white” rests on any number of dubious premises.

    Suffice to say that I don’t have great difficulty imagining an America over 90% white within a decade or two.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @AndrewR


    Suffice to say that I don’t have great difficulty imagining an America over 90% white within a decade or two.
     
    How would you get there?
    , @Anon
    @AndrewR

    How is that possible? Please expand

  17. If Trump is serious about reducing immigration:

    -how long would it take to halt the demographic tranformation of the US ?

    -how long would it take before reduced immigration helped the US labour market ?

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @AKAHorace

    Days, weeks maybe

  18. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.

    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America

    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list – one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don’t need cheap labor.

    • Replies: @res
    @anon


    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list – one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don’t need cheap labor.
     
    That's an interesting idea. Perhaps try to do this by revitalizing some of the land-grant colleges--ideally in places like the rust belt that supported him.
    , @Anonymous
    @anon

    It was known as UC Davis until Cesar Chavez had it dumped to protect his workers.

    , @bomag
    @anon


    teching up low productivity farming
     
    Nothing would do this faster than a labor shortage brought about by closing the border.
    , @Jack D
    @anon

    There is a lot you can do with mechanical harvesting and more all the time. Olive oil used to be something produced by traditional methods in places like Tunisia by hand picking the olive trees one by one. Then someone figured out that you can prune olive trees to grow like hedges and run a grape harvesting machine down the hedgerows and now some of the best olive oil in the world comes from California. But they had to completely reimagine what an olive grove looked like.

    https://www.ucdavis.edu/sites/default/files/images/article/olive_grove_lg.jpg

    US agriculture is already highly mechanized in certain areas - 1 farmer in Iowa can farm hundreds of acres of corn by himself. Farm labor nowadays is only a negligible % of the workforce. With a little out of the box thinking you could squeeze the rest of the manual labor out of the system.

    , @anon
    @anon

    res, bomag

    yes

    #

    sintoin,

    didn't know that

    #

    Jack D

    yes a lot of agriculture is high tech now. the problem is regions like California where cheap labor is imported to do the low paid, low productivity farm work and then the workers skip to the cities after a while for better opportunities.

    that cycle is what trashed California and will trash the rest if it's not stopped but the fruit growers themselves don't have the resources to develop the high tech solution.

    (that olive grove pic is exactly the kind of thing i mean)

  19. America is black or white (the native Americans were constantly assimilating on the spectrum).

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    It’d be interesting to see how many Irish-Americans care about the old country anymore?

    Trump can be a mix of Teddy Roosevelt (patriotism, national identity, foreign policy) and Franklin (infrastructure, New Deal type etc)..

    • Replies: @gregor
    @Zachary Latif

    The only hope of that happening is to stop the immigration like we did from 1924-1965. We can possibly assimilate waves but not constant flows. And not all groups will converge over time.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Zachary Latif


    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white
     
    I think this is a widely held assumption that is not quite correct. The whites who don't have any pre-American identity anymore are mongrels. In my hometown, people from Irish families that have mostly stayed Irish have a strong Irish identity, even if their political loyalties are entirely to the US. Parts of my family in the mid-west are strongly German-identifying. I suspect the same is true of Italian families in NYC. The fact that ethnic identity is still played up on TV shows like Blue Bloods indicates that it resonates with many white people.

    Some people on this blog have suggested before that being highly cooperative is characteristically white. That's completely and highly speculative, but it correctly points to the fact that drawing parallels between the European-American experience and a hypothetical future and different-from-current Mexican-, MENA-, or Chinese-American experience is also speculative and a gamble.

    Italian-Americans who assimilated assimilated to a WASP-German cultural matrix. Mexicans who hypothetically assimilate will assimilate to an inchoate "white" and "American" cultural matrix. Since our political institutions are basically Anglo-, this kind of dilution is not without possible consequences.

    Europeans who left their countries in the past travelled an ocean away to a land that they clearly conceptualized as belonging to its native population. Mexicans who leave Mexico settle right next to their home in a place many of them believe is Mexican by right. From an assimilation perspective, that is a completely different circumstance. I also suggest that, in an age of Internet communication and globalization/internationalization, people coming from overseas don't have the same perspective on settling in the US as Europeans of the 19th century.

    For a variety of reasons, the US would be better off sending as many people home as possible, severely curtailing all future immigration, and adopting WASP-centered self-identity and pro-natal policies than crossing its fingers and hoping that Mexicans can do the thing that maybe Italians did.
    , @Jefferson
    @Zachary Latif

    "Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix."

    You are willing to accept all Hispanics as "White" regardless of phenotype? So the Cuban female volleyball team for example are not Black, they are just swarthy Mediterranean White girls, no different from the swarthy Italian women on The Real Housewives Of New Jersey.
    http://www.volleywood.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/cuba-roster-2013-2.jpg

    Now you are getting into White is a social construct territory.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Zachary Latif


    ...a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.
     
    We were doing that just fine from 1924 to 1965, when we were choosier about which Asians and Hispanics we let into the country.

    (Actually, the only Hispanics affected by the 1965 act were those in Spain, but enforcement of both work visas and public charge laws have the same effect as quotas.)
  20. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lurker

    Diversity is the parallel postulate of American politics. It's seen as axiomatic that America will become increasingly diverse; ergo, the way to appeal to the diverse is by accelerating the process to show you like them.

    Once you realize ever-increasing diversity isn't inevitable, a non-Euclidean politics can emerge.

    Replies: @SFG, @415 reasons

    Diversity is not dead if its proponents eternal lie,
    And with strange hairdos even diversity may die.

    Ia! Ia! Trump-Biggurath! The Orange God-Emperor of Manhattan with a Thousand Young!

  21. ” There are other ways as well, such as publicizing the work of independent-minded intellectuals.”
    LIKE YOURSELF.
    I have a confession to make. When I first came to read your work in the pages of VDARE over 10 years, I completely misjudged you. How could a guy seemingly obsessed with baseball stats and golf courses be able to write “serious” pieces about immigration, politics and Human Biodiversity. I was completely wrong. You can and do. Your interests outside politics give you a much more rounded understanding of the world.
    Political hacks like Bill Kristol obsess about politics. They have few other interests, especially intellectual, and their views are necessarily fettered by their passions, if I may reference Edmund Burke.
    I would hope in the years to come that the most anti-Trump parts of the MSM will go out of business, that others will open up to alt-right and palaeoconservative writers and that new newspapers, TV stations and the like will be established to air such views.
    That way, Mr Sailer, you will be able to earn the livelihood your writing merits. Unlike the present, perverted system where a vicious, anti-gentilist hack like Erdely can earn hundreds of thousands for her lies.

  22. Any party that relies on whites has no future

    That’s why the Democratic Party picking a Black Muslim for head of the DNC ensures huge gains for the next election cycle

    • LOL: fish
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Tiny Duck

    In case you haven't figured it out, TD is a troll playing a leftist, a sort of Colbert of the left. Usually he stays in character pretty well, but sometimes he slips - not even the most ardent leftist really believes that Black Muslims are big vote getters. Even B. Hussein O. had to pretend to be a Christian.

    PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn't get the job. Ellison was associated with the highly anti-Semitic Nation of Islam which is even worse that mainstream Islam. They believe that white people are a race of "devils" created by a scientist named Yakub. Blacks provide much of the votes in the coalition of the fringes but Jews provide much of the money and the party literally can't afford to ignore them (yet).

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny, One of the best features of Steve's blog is that we can click on your name and read all of your previous comments and oh so wrong predictions. "Huge gains' from what demographic; black Muslims? Start an other group, Black Muslims Matter.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Because nothing gives people that peaceful feeling inside again more than a black Muslim

  23. More seriously, the question revolves around whether Trump can stem immigration long enough to allow demographic changes to reverse themselves. We shall see. At the very least there has been a stay of execution.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @5371
    @SFG

    Jeb's brains trust was wrong this time, but unless you build the wall and deport them all, it will be right eventually.

    , @415 reasons
    @SFG

    I personally doubt the demographics shift is going to abate much. Surely, it's possible Trumps policies might cause some Hispanics to go home and others not to come. But even if all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow, it seems like the difference in birth rates would inexorably lead to a more diverse America. Our only hope is that American pop culture is so effective that younger Hispanic and other immigrant groups quickly catch up to their brain dead white Millenial counterparts in becoming disinterested in saving money and having children. Perhaps the most hopeful future for our country is brain dead coastal milleniaals of all races sitting together on a couch eating Cheetos and watching the Kardashians while in the hinterland a silent minority goes about the business of propagating another generation of Americans.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  24. It’s not inherently wrong for a political party to try and broaden its base. But if it risks alienating its core in doing so, it must be done with care or not at all. That’s exactly what those damn fools in the GOP were doing; their outreach efforts left its base with no reason to vote for it.

    Demographic change, moreover, is not written in stone, certainly not in elections. There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end “motor voter”). The U.S. could shut down the Mexican consulates that facilitate Mexicans living in the United States and rigorously enforce employment laws. There’s also the possibility of compensation for people who renounce their citizenship and leave the country–expensive in the short run but it would certainly benefit the GOP and its white base. There also needs to be new laws on immigration that minimize the number of people entering the country who might eventually vote Democratic–I know that’s not easy to predict, but I’ll bet that there’s data on it. There needs to be an end to birthright citizenship and reformation of the naturalization process so that it takes much much longer to become a citizen (twenty years continuous residence, for example).

    But the GOP has no stomach for this fight, even though it’s a fight for its survival and ultimately for the survival of the U.S. as an extension of European civilization. All of these policies have a racial component and an accusation of racism is still political death in the GOP.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Diversity Heretic


    There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end “motor voter”).
     
    I am not even sure it is necessary to depress the black and hispanic vote to get decent governance. I am pretty sure that land owning male voters aged 21 and older will vote for better policies than unmarried women of any race.

    Sadly, women are the problem. Married men are the most responsible citizens, single moms the least.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yes, and the appointment of Sessions as AG points to the fact that Trump really did see his Mexican and Islamic comments as relating to problems of criminality and not as dog-whistling new approaches to immigration.

  25. @Lurker
    Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonym, @Almost Missouri

    Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    Because they don’t have the key. The key to the cuck cage.

  26. @SFG
    More seriously, the question revolves around whether Trump can stem immigration long enough to allow demographic changes to reverse themselves. We shall see. At the very least there has been a stay of execution.

    Replies: @5371, @415 reasons

    Jeb’s brains trust was wrong this time, but unless you build the wall and deport them all, it will be right eventually.

  27. As Talleyrand said of the Bourbons, “They have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.”

  28. Mike Murphy must not have been available for comment.

  29. Anonymous [AKA "Jolyquat"] says:

    This is a great article that explains my thinking with the gop. The gop is going to split into a socially liberal and economically conservative wing and a socially conservative and economically liberal wing.

    I was looking at some poll data and basically, whites making over 200k are shifting blue, with mitt Romney ahead of Obama by 28 points versus Trump only leading by one percent. Much of the old GOP like George Bush have turned over to the democrats. Likewise, the South is becoming solid again, this time for a rather liberal populist, not for a conservative. I think it’s only a matter of time before unions start courting with Republicans , considering how Republicans hate free trade nowadays and considering how Michigan went red this time. And don’t forget, a trump infrastructure bill that looks like the new deal is getting passed very soon.

    And it seems awfully like the Republicans want voter supression

    At the same time, Obama was rather conservative, especially in his health care plan, which had ideas moderate republicans came up with in the 1990s and Mitt Romney himself passed in Massachusetts. During the 2016 debate when trump basically said, “no one is going to be left to die” and attacked ted Cruz’s standard Republican answer to obamacare. And let’s not start with the tpp.

    Over the next couple of years, the Republican party will become the lower class white party while democrats become the new party of the wealthy and white collar workers.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Anonymous


    The gop is going to split into a socially liberal and economically conservative wing
     
    Yeah, but the Koch brothers only have two votes. Well, I guess they have four, but I'm not sure whether Frederick and Bill are "socially liberal and economically conservative."
    , @jack o'fire
    @Anonymous

    C'mon really? Obamacare was ONLY a pump and dump scheme for those who understood what it really was.

  30. The cucks refuse to acknowledge the 2016 election is a repudiation of the immigration, trade and foreign policies of the cucks.

  31. I think a good number of Hispanics were also pulled in by Bush’s religious appeals and his emphasis on family values.

    • Troll: Jasper Been
  32. There are other ways as well, such as publicizing the work of independment-minded intellectuals.

    Steve, do you consider yourself an intellectual??

    Hmm, maybe I don’t hate all intellectuals, it just took a non-intellectual intellectual to make me realize it.

  33. @Lurker
    Why do these people think that getting 60% of an ethnic group to vote against their party (in a good year) is a winning strategy?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonym, @Almost Missouri

    I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Almost Missouri


    I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

     
    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    , @BB753
    @Almost Missouri

    They're stupid both because of regression to the mean and also because they were taught from college not to stray from the narrative and not to learn anything from reality.
    Living in an elite bubble doesn't help either.

    , @Bill
    @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, Soros is a big moron. That's the ticket.

    , @Marcus
    @Almost Missouri

    IDK, cowardice is the stronger motivator in my view: they don't want to be forthright about appealing to whites, which is pathetic since, as Scott Alexander shows, Trump didn't try to present himself as a champion of average whites anymore than most Republicans do, and it showed with him getting smaller share of white vote than Romney.

    , @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    They're not stupid they're corrupt traitors.

    The banking mafia make a lot of money from banking mafia economics and the banking mafia are the big party donors.

  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Oh sure, let’s not learn from examples of success but from the theorizing of never-right bobbleheads. Perhaps demographic change towards third-worldism isn’t written in stone just yet, much to the consternation of some of these types of people pretending to be experts. Why take advice from people intrinsically hostile to our very existence?

  35. OT: Senator Sessions announced as AG, per ABC News.

  36. Look at the states that Hillary Clinton won and try not to realize that higher numbers of minorities equals permanent victory for the Democrats. Hillary got her highest percentages in places where whites are a minority – D.C. (92.8%), Hawai’i (62.2%), and California (61.5%). The latter, once a state that gave us Republicans like Nixon and Reagan, hasn’t voted for a Republican president since 1988, two years after the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty bill.

    Obviously it’s best if Republicans campaign in ways that don’t actively turn off minorities, but they shouldn’t campaign (or govern) in ways that grow their numbers. Most minorities who are citizens already have far more pressing issues than immigration, and addressing those issues will win Republicans votes. A whole lot of those issues are the same ones that will attract working class whites.

    I don’t know if there’s much elected leaders can do to encourage marriage, but since marriage tends to make both women AND men more conservative anything that increases marriage rates among whites will increase the GOP vote. 58% of married men voted for Trump, was 45% of unmarried men. 47% of married women voted for Trump versus 33% of unmarried women. Of course some of that is culture or age-related. Getting married doesn’t necessarily mean every Democrat will turn into a Republican, but the tendency is there. And marriage, of course, makes people more likely to have children, so that would increase the white birthrate.

    So white people: get married, have kids.

    Oh, and FWIW: Trump has now received more votes than Romney got in 2012.

  37. If reporter Katie Glueck had used the same dismissive, disparaging tone about any other racial or ethnic group, would Politico have published it, or spiked it?

    Ms. Gluek appears to be quite white (and stylishly so) and quite elite (Northwestern ’11). She sure seems uncomfortable with the large fraction of US voters who share her skin tone. Fortunately, as she points out, that is changing.

    The people Glueck quotes in the article:
    Whit Ayres, GOP pollster — No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Anonymous NeverTrumper — No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Ari Fleischer, Bush press sec’ty — No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Alex Smith, College Republican — No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Glenn McCall, GOP stalwart — Key for GOP is to organize in communities of color.

    The diversity of opinion is breathtaking.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @ic1000

    From the article:



    But Trump’s [insert pale demographic group here] pulled him across the finish line, and the fact that he won — and that Republicans up and down the ballot won — removes the motivation for deep thinking about how to improve outreach going forward, some operatives warn.
     
    Note that in this world of one way streets, no "operative" warns the Democrats that just because POC are pulling them across the finish line, they need to improve outreach to non-POC. Instead, they just promulgate policies that increase the size of the demographic that is pulling them across the finish line.

    Replies: @ic1000

  38. The best things in life are free. But this advice typically costs around $150 million and doesn’t get anyone elected to anything. Now they’re giving it away. Is there a ‘WAIT-THERE’S MORE!’ in there somewhere?

  39. This is nothing more than the people whom last week proved to be deliberate BS artists and proved should be exiled to unperson status for all eternity begging not to be so punished.

  40. “the most diverse generation of millennials in the country’s history.”

    Only the sharpest minds at the College RNC, I see.

    Ms. Alex Smith actually thinks “millennials” is just another word for “twentysomethings.”

  41. @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

    I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @PiltdownMan

    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    Anyone questioning this statement should Google John Paul Gatto.

    Replies: @guest

  42. Meanwhile, I notice my Big Corp employer has quietly dropped its Hispanic marketing outreach. It was the new hotness two years ago.

    Bwahaha.

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    @carol

    I have seen that also in other Big Corps. These fools seem to be slowly coming to a ghastly realization - Hispanics are almost all broke!
    And there is very little financial hope for the future for them.

    , @Old fogey
    @carol

    "Hispanic outreach" I don't know about others, but my blood pressure rises whenever I walk into the local Home Depot and see all the signs translated into Spanish. . .

  43. OT – Rejoice, Sailerites!

    Look at who is tapped to be our nation’s chief prosecutor:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html?_r=0

    In addition, see how the new and improved unbiased New York Times waited 4 whole paragraphs before attacking Sessions.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Light Roast

    I would preferred to see Sessions in a different position, and I would not prefer to see Giuliani in a different position than AG. Ergo, I would have preferred Giuliani.

    I think maybe AG is not a good fit for people who are strongly socially conservative (cf, Ashcroft).

    For fun, Trump should have nominated James Comey as AG.

    Replies: @jack o'fire

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Light Roast

    light, Thanks for the heads up, but I won't click on a NYT or WaPo link. My personal boycott.

  44. If the “Republican” party is to put together a winning coalition in the decades ahead it will be based on class, not race. Race divides, class unites. Class is the one thing all races share in common. And of the two classes, “the many” is well placed to defeat “the few” in a democracy, just as the Founding Fathers feared. No wonder the few would rather make it about race.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Luke Lea

    But race trumps class for most except whites (and maybe not even for them), so it's not realistic.

    , @WorkingClass
    @Luke Lea

    "No wonder the few would rather make it about race."

    And many of the many are happy to take the bait.

    , @27 year old
    @Luke Lea

    Luke, is it possible to buy your book in physical paper form?

    Replies: @Luke Lea

  45. What the GOP needs is to win back some upscale whites turned off by Trump’s tackiness. The single best way to do that is for Trump to be a good President.

    Another great way to win SWPLs and lapsed Rockefeller Republicans is to strongly encourage them to integrate, just as the rest of us have had to do and which they preach quite loudly. This article makes clear that the HRC coalition was 45% minority, probably over 35% black and Latino.

    That means Slate, Vox, Salon, NYT, Democratic Congressional candidates, your local university sociology department, the Sierra Club, ACLU, etc, as part of the New America HRC Justice Future must also be this integrated, and none of them are even close.

    We must not let them keep getting away with using vibrancy for votes but then not giving them real power. Their coalition is now WAY too diverse for tokenism. If libsofts have to lose their coveted journo, prof, lawyer, politics jobs; agonize over whether to uphold quality standards or meekly keep the peace; and constantly spend energy on political fights about who gets what spoils, it’s a small price to pay for Justice, right?

  46. @Luke Lea
    If the "Republican" party is to put together a winning coalition in the decades ahead it will be based on class, not race. Race divides, class unites. Class is the one thing all races share in common. And of the two classes, "the many" is well placed to defeat "the few" in a democracy, just as the Founding Fathers feared. No wonder the few would rather make it about race.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @WorkingClass, @27 year old

    But race trumps class for most except whites (and maybe not even for them), so it’s not realistic.

  47. @ic1000
    If reporter Katie Glueck had used the same dismissive, disparaging tone about any other racial or ethnic group, would Politico have published it, or spiked it?

    Ms. Gluek appears to be quite white (and stylishly so) and quite elite (Northwestern '11). She sure seems uncomfortable with the large fraction of US voters who share her skin tone. Fortunately, as she points out, that is changing.

    The people Glueck quotes in the article:
    Whit Ayres, GOP pollster -- No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Anonymous NeverTrumper -- No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Ari Fleischer, Bush press sec'ty -- No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Alex Smith, College Republican -- No future for GOP in attending to concerns of white voters.
    Glenn McCall, GOP stalwart -- Key for GOP is to organize in communities of color.

    The diversity of opinion is breathtaking.

    Replies: @bomag

    From the article:

    But Trump’s [insert pale demographic group here] pulled him across the finish line, and the fact that he won — and that Republicans up and down the ballot won — removes the motivation for deep thinking about how to improve outreach going forward, some operatives warn.

    Note that in this world of one way streets, no “operative” warns the Democrats that just because POC are pulling them across the finish line, they need to improve outreach to non-POC. Instead, they just promulgate policies that increase the size of the demographic that is pulling them across the finish line.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @bomag

    Ms. Gluek's article has the hallmarks of a Current-Year Story Matched To The Narrative, as described by Michael Cieply last week.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @CrunchybutRealistCon

  48. OT – anyone else notice CBS This Morning carefully speccing out Trump Tower in Manhattan, complete with aerial shot placing it just north of Central Park, its distinctive shape, Trump’s main floor number…it’s the penthouse, guys,…

    What are they desiring with this – ?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @carol

    Clinton's Saudi Arabian assistant, distraught over her failing marriage bringing down her boss, flies an airplane into Trump Tower 9/11-style?

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Alas, how quickly the MMM has been forgotten.

    The deeper and wider point is that the importation of millions upon millions of low skill low productivity third world immigrants – as ‘recommended’ by The Economist magazine – at a time of decades long income stagnation, has by and large destroyed the capacity of the USA for sustaining long term high rates of economic growth and the attendant capital formation.
    If the US economy is unable to absorb something as trifling and inconsequential as a property boom, due to incapacity of the newly arrived immigrant population to earn enough actual hard cash to pay for their accommodation, it really has little long term hope – despite all the stinky bullshit you might read from the those right-wing bastards at The Economist.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Alas, how quickly the MMM has been forgotten.

    The Million Man March?

  50. CA Democrats are ready for war:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/california-s-democrats-are-ready-for-political-war

    I sure hope they haven’t engaged in any corruption while in office, because God Emperor Trump is going unleash the FBI on corrupt politicians … those CA democrats might want to assume a low profile for a while or assume the position.

    In fact, if I was Tiny D*ck I would be worried about the FBI paying me a visit.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The most deplorable one

    cool - herd all the illegals to California

  51. The Lying Main Stream Media thinks we don’t remember shit:

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/799345716879622144

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @The most deplorable one

    Hilarious! But, I don't think The New Republic has escaped massive damage for publishing this sort of blatant idiocy.

    It was not that long ago the TNR had some influence over the MSM. It was clearly left-of-center but articles were well-written and involved some real knowledge of the subject under discussion.

    After that Facebook centi-millionaire, Chris Hughes, bought it in 2012, quality dropped precipitously and by 2014, all of its formerly well-known journalists were gone.

    At that point, Hughes sold whatever legal rights TNR had to a complete nonentity from Oregon.

    I'm not even sure they have a paper edition any more. I think they only have a website.

  52. @Dave Pinsen
    @Lurker

    Diversity is the parallel postulate of American politics. It's seen as axiomatic that America will become increasingly diverse; ergo, the way to appeal to the diverse is by accelerating the process to show you like them.

    Once you realize ever-increasing diversity isn't inevitable, a non-Euclidean politics can emerge.

    Replies: @SFG, @415 reasons

    Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is “move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities” then what is the point?

    For Republican voters the point is standing up against this coalition of insane people trying to turn our country into a one party banana republic. If the Republican leaders think they can win elections by selling out that goal, they’re worse than useless. Also, they happen to be totally wrong; they’re never going to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    Don’t they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn’t that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Infuriating.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @415 reasons

    If we can't win without committing suicide, then the Constitution has failed. It would be time to start anew.

    , @Jefferson
    @415 reasons

    "Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is “move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities” then what is the point?"

    The only way The Republican Party can move to the political Left of The Democratic Party is if they change their name to The Communist Party and adopt their policies.

    The DNC in it's current form is already way too far to the Left.

    Plus the GOP would lose the vast majority of their White voter base if they tried to Out Left the DNC, which would guarantee the GOP would never win another presidential election again.

    , @Honorary Thief
    @415 reasons


    Don’t they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn’t that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?
     
    Yep. Trump's improvement over Romney is also attributable to the self-respect issue: Hispanics and blacks were probably put off by Romney's mewling ass-kissing and respected Trump's non-pandering.

    Replies: @415 reasons

  53. @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

    They’re stupid both because of regression to the mean and also because they were taught from college not to stray from the narrative and not to learn anything from reality.
    Living in an elite bubble doesn’t help either.

  54. Republicans might try governing on behalf of the people. Trouble is there is no real money in that.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @WorkingClass

    The people want the benefits of socialism, without having to pay for socialism.

    Of course there isn't money in that.

    Watch how fast certain people would scream if we took away the federal deduction for state income taxes.

  55. @SFG
    More seriously, the question revolves around whether Trump can stem immigration long enough to allow demographic changes to reverse themselves. We shall see. At the very least there has been a stay of execution.

    Replies: @5371, @415 reasons

    I personally doubt the demographics shift is going to abate much. Surely, it’s possible Trumps policies might cause some Hispanics to go home and others not to come. But even if all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow, it seems like the difference in birth rates would inexorably lead to a more diverse America. Our only hope is that American pop culture is so effective that younger Hispanic and other immigrant groups quickly catch up to their brain dead white Millenial counterparts in becoming disinterested in saving money and having children. Perhaps the most hopeful future for our country is brain dead coastal milleniaals of all races sitting together on a couch eating Cheetos and watching the Kardashians while in the hinterland a silent minority goes about the business of propagating another generation of Americans.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @415 reasons


    But even if all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow, it seems like the difference in birth rates would inexorably lead to a more diverse America.
     
    If all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow you'd still have legal immigration so you'd still be doomed. And if the illegals get deported the elites will ramp up the pressure for massive increases in legal immigration.

    Legal immigration is worse than illegal immigration.
  56. The industry that was the biggest loser on election night was Republican campaign consultants/lobbyists. The Trump candidacy and campaign, from the beginning of the primaries through the general election, was unceasing Creative Destruction targeted at them.

    Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t any writing putting it together in this way throughout the year, even though shut out and at risk Republican campaign consultants/lobbyists were the unshakable core of the Never Trump dead-enders out of naked self-interest.

    Campaign consulting is big business. It’s cartelized and, indicative of the power it has arrogated, had a pleasant win-win for itself regardless of which candidate/party won … until Trump. I think this played a significant supporting role in the extreme media bias, cable news in particular, against Trump. After all, what is playfully referred to as Earned Media is Free Media for those selling it.

    Trump’s win has proved disastrous to the campaign consulting industry as a whole because the Republican consultants “competitors” failed peddling the same solutions, and with essentially unlimited funds to do so.

    Perhaps this industry’s greatest challenge now is who funds it — exceedingly wealthy donors. These are people who do like to be made monkeys out of.

  57. @Luke Lea
    If the "Republican" party is to put together a winning coalition in the decades ahead it will be based on class, not race. Race divides, class unites. Class is the one thing all races share in common. And of the two classes, "the many" is well placed to defeat "the few" in a democracy, just as the Founding Fathers feared. No wonder the few would rather make it about race.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @WorkingClass, @27 year old

    “No wonder the few would rather make it about race.”

    And many of the many are happy to take the bait.

  58. As someone pointed out on GAB recently, if I was heavily invested in electric cars, alternative energy, necromancy, etc, I would get out of those positions quickly.

    I think Trump is going to stop wasting money on stupid climate change bullshit and it just so happens that large amounts of high quality oil deposits have been found in Texas of all places.

    The US is now swiming in oil.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @The most deplorable one

    If alleged global warming / climate change were the only basis for subsidizing and encouraging vehicles & buildings that use less fossil fuels, you'd be right.

    But even if there is little to no human-caused or human-exacerbated global warming -- which there may not be -- the burning of fossil fuels poisons our air, water, and land.

    We need to dramatically reduce the pollution of our air and water, for the sake of our health and our children's health. The global-warming scam doesn't enter into it for me.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @The most deplorable one

    Most Deplorable One, Tesla and Solarcity just merged, a marriage of two money hemorrhaging green companies. I just read ( WSJ?) that Elon Musk has received 4.9 billion in government subsidies. He is building the world's largest solar panel factory at the Riverbend site in Buffalo. Andrew Cuomo fronted Elon Musk about 900 million to build the plant on NY state property. Musk promised to employ 500 workers at this factory and 1500 state wide. The project and it's construction are now under investigation and warrants and arrests for bid rigging and quid pro quo deals have been served. The only sure thing is that NY state taxpayers are out at least 900 million. Oh, and Cuomo is shopping his name around for a 2020 presidential bid.

  59. But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”

    Talk about the ole’ “creating a desert and calling it victory.”

    What’s the point of being the majority party when the nation you rule is severely degraded?

  60. You would think that this election would serve at the very least as another data point in favor of the thesis ‘Hispanics do not vote based on immigration policy.’ They vote Democratic due mainly to economics. Why not assume that a more “nationalist” line would win over poor voters of all races?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Mike P.


    You would think that this election would serve at the very least as another data point in favor of the thesis ‘Hispanics do not vote based on immigration policy.’ They vote Democratic due mainly to economics. Why not assume that a more “nationalist” line would win over poor voters of all races?
     
    The policies that would help less affluent whites would help less affluent Hispanics and blacks. If the GOP reinvented itself as an Old Left party it would be electorally unbeatable. You know, the Old Left, that used to believe in economic justice, not transexual bathroom rights and homosexual marriage. The GOP as a party of the Old Left could in fact finally achieve the party's most cherished ambition - winning the black vote away from the Dems. And they could keep the white working class vote as well. All they have to do is keep hammering away at the idea that the Democratic Party is the Billionaire Party.

    The Democrats have reinvented themselves as the party of the far right. The party of the rich. The only future for the Republicans is to move well to the left of the Democrats.

    Black don't vote for the Democrats because they love the Democrats - they vote for them because it's in their economic self-interest. That could be changed. Blacks are smarter than whites - they'll vote ruthlessly for their own interests. And voting for the Billionaire Party is not in their interests.

    The objection to all this is - how could the Republicans afford to pursue policies that actually help ordinary people? The answer is very simple. Cut defence spending to a level that actually reflects America's defence requirements. That would be about half the current level.
  61. I know it’s fashionable here to talk about how Latinos are dumber than whites, but even Latinos can tell when they are being pandered to.

    My experience with Latinos (Hispanics, whatever) is that they are generally interested in assimilation, intermarriage, and Americanism. Obviously, there must be some kind of Latino underclass emerging in the SW — that’s what I keep hearing, anyway — but I see a lot of Latin-White intermarriage, and a lot of assimilation or at least that aspiration among others.

    This is completely setting aside that Cubans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Mexicans are not all on the same page just because they are “Latinos.”

    Not to mention my exposure to Latino culture is that it is precisely the kind of culture that most conservative European types would like, in terms of sex roles, male sense of responsibility, etc.

    So, anyway, bottom line I don’t know what’s going to happen “demographically”, but the GOP shouldn’t be pandering for Latino votes because most of those Latinos want to be Americans, and the emerging underclass who don’t want to assimilate will be self-destructing. Unlike AA’s, Latinos rarely have an obvious color bar that they have to cross.

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @SPMoore8

    "My experience with Latinos (Hispanics, whatever) is that they are generally interested in assimilation, intermarriage, and Americanism."

    Latino politicians...not so much.

  62. Demographic pandering by either side is repulsive and inherently bigoted.

    Am I naive to believe that solid policies attract more voters than targeted handouts?

    Soliciting by demographics is what creates divisiveness.

  63. @Zachary Latif
    America is black or white (the native Americans were constantly assimilating on the spectrum).

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    It'd be interesting to see how many Irish-Americans care about the old country anymore?

    Trump can be a mix of Teddy Roosevelt (patriotism, national identity, foreign policy) and Franklin (infrastructure, New Deal type etc)..

    Replies: @gregor, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson, @Reg Cæsar

    The only hope of that happening is to stop the immigration like we did from 1924-1965. We can possibly assimilate waves but not constant flows. And not all groups will converge over time.

  64. @anon
    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.


    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America
     
    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list - one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don't need cheap labor.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Jack D, @anon

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list – one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don’t need cheap labor.

    That’s an interesting idea. Perhaps try to do this by revitalizing some of the land-grant colleges–ideally in places like the rust belt that supported him.

  65. Steve,

    On another note, Trump’s administration picks are very encouraging so far. Most of all I’m very heartened by Sessions for AG. I noted earlier this week that I think that Sessions should be in the most prominent position to bear on immigration. AG is certainly that. Also the other choices so far are in line with his thinking. Your poat about secretary of state was on point. however Bolton specifically makes me nervous, his comments about regime change are alarming. I think this will be ab even harder position to fill. Not only will that require dexterity as top diplomat, it will also require political savvy in managing the undermining that his subordinates in thw state department will engage in. The neocons are so entrenched in those spheres, it will take a forceful personality to bend the tide.

  66. Let’s step back a bit. Just for a moment.

    First, Donald Trump, a New York City billionaire, reality TV personality, and former Democrat with no previous political experience, wrested the GOP nomination from 16 (or whatever) other, “more qualified” Republican candidates. Getting more primary votes than any other GOP primary candidate in history in the process.

    Then Donald Trump suffered the most withering and hysterical Big Media firestorm in history, to convincingly defeat the Democrat nominee in the Electoral College, breaking through her “EC firewall” and flipping states that had consistently voted Democrat for 40 years.

    Now the GOP wants to tell him how it’s really done.

    Is that what I’m reading?

    But the motivation to address that problem, they fear, is gone, overtaken by reveling in last week’s victories.

    I think sending 40m criminal aliens home would do a lot to address the problem. Addressing the GOP cucks steering the party away from their insanity and disloyalty (easily another 5 points from the cuck wing of the party) would do a lot, too.

    “The demographics of the country are very clear, and this worked this time, but is it a long-term winning strategy, setting aside rightness or wrongness?” asked one veteran conservative who helped lead the Never Trump movement. “No. I can’t imagine that. So there’s going to have to be an adjustment in that. Sooner or later, the Republican Party, if it’s going to be viable, it has to be more inclusive.”

    But, the source noted, “when you win, it’s hard to argue with that.”

    Yep. So hard, you went from “leading” the Never Trump movement, to only agreeing to being quoted anonymously.

    “Of course” it’s harder to focus on those questions after a victory, Ayres said, “That doesn’t mean it’s any less important. Look at turnout. [White] turnout is down, yet again, by 2 points exactly. And that’s not going to stop. That’s going to keep going every election.”

    Actually, I think Trump’s White turnout will increase from here, ceteris paribus. There will be fewer Whites cowed by the Big Media firestorm, next time around.

    “In some ways, the short-term high of the victory might paper over some longer-term challenges that we’ll have with millennials,” said Smith, who disavowed Trump after the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape, though she now speaks positively about the new administration.

    Actually, you unmitigated moron, FATHER TIME will win over (White) Millennials. As he has every generation of the young and stupid.

    I’m not sure there’s any good reason to listen to this gaggle of losers, waverers, cowards, and turncoats.

    She called on the new GOP-controlled government to make more efforts to communicate with young voters about why conservative principles, when put into practice, can benefit millennials — “the most diverse generation of millennials in the country’s history.”

    “Millennials” refers to a specific cohort, but this dimwitted bimbo is using the word as synonymous with “young voters,” as if we’re going to name each new generation of young voters “Millennials” hereafter. And we should listen to her, why, exactly?

    What the GOP needs is to win back some upscale whites turned off by Trump’s tackiness. The single best way to do that is for Trump to be a good President.

    Yep. I think a lot of them will come back simply because he won, and a house didn’t drop on him as a result of Big Media’s firestorm.

  67. @AKAHorace
    If Trump is serious about reducing immigration:

    -how long would it take to halt the demographic tranformation of the US ?

    -how long would it take before reduced immigration helped the US labour market ?

    Replies: @27 year old

    Days, weeks maybe

  68. @God Emperor Putin
    I guarantee that the vast majority of Hispanics only get their news from liberal media sources. Even if they gave Hispanics amnesty with. Republican president and Republican congress, the liberal media would spin it like this:

    -The Republicans are racist and only passed amnesty so that you would vote for them. How stupid they must think you are that you would fall for this racist trick.
    -The Republicans may have passed amnesty but the Democrats were the ones made it happen by constantly pestering them about it.

    The only move is to deport all illegals and only let whites immigrate while trying to push all of the Hispanics in Texas to California to dilute their vote. While this kind of thought is never allowed in "respectable" circles, the Democrats are openly cheering their plans to turn Texas blue.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Fredrik, @Anoni

    There is a divergence as to whether the household is primarily English or Spanish dominant. Margins for the left are far higher in the latter.

    What we effectively need is a ‘tax’ in an economic sense that creates an incentive to abandon the Raza media. Official English only relates to government, and we have further problems thanks to the 1965 VRA.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Maj. Kong

    Perhaps an FCC regulation mandating that Univision put English subtitles on all their shows?

    Replies: @Romanian

  69. @Luke Lea
    If the "Republican" party is to put together a winning coalition in the decades ahead it will be based on class, not race. Race divides, class unites. Class is the one thing all races share in common. And of the two classes, "the many" is well placed to defeat "the few" in a democracy, just as the Founding Fathers feared. No wonder the few would rather make it about race.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @WorkingClass, @27 year old

    Luke, is it possible to buy your book in physical paper form?

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @27 year old

    "Luke, is it possible to buy your book in physical paper form?"

    Not unless a mainstream publisher takes it up. I'm preparing a new and improved edition.,

  70. @WorkingClass
    Republicans might try governing on behalf of the people. Trouble is there is no real money in that.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong

    The people want the benefits of socialism, without having to pay for socialism.

    Of course there isn’t money in that.

    Watch how fast certain people would scream if we took away the federal deduction for state income taxes.

  71. @415 reasons
    @Dave Pinsen

    Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is "move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities" then what is the point?

    For Republican voters the point is standing up against this coalition of insane people trying to turn our country into a one party banana republic. If the Republican leaders think they can win elections by selling out that goal, they're worse than useless. Also, they happen to be totally wrong; they're never going to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    Don't they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn't that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Infuriating.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson, @Honorary Thief

    If we can’t win without committing suicide, then the Constitution has failed. It would be time to start anew.

  72. Trump showed Republicans could squeeze out one more presidential victory by appealing primarily to white voters, especially against a historically unpopular Democratic nominee.

    I keep reading this sort of thing, basically dismissing the significance of Trump’s win as some kind of aberration.

    What this fails to take into account is the unprecedented tide of virulent opposition against Trump, and his ability to win despite it.

    Never in our lives has the media and the establishment of both parties come out in such a series of coordinated and vicious attacks against a Presidential candidate of a major party. It was astounding, and remains astounding, that any candidate might have succeeded in the teeth of this overwhelming opposition. Whatever weaknesses Hillary may have exhibited were more than made up for by the forces arrayed against Trump.

    If Trump can simply manage to behave like a fairly sensible President — and I don’t see why he won’t, given his quite practical attitude as a businessman — he will be considered a real success by the American people, even as the elites double down on their now permanent hysteria.

    • Agree: Bill
  73. See also the comments by Joseph Britt (an alleged Republican) in this column:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    as well as Kristol’s remarks. As I said before in that thread, we are going to need a new word for “wrong” because the original meaning is being morphed and twisted. In the old days, your strategy was “wrong” if it caused your side to lose the battle, but in Newspeak, a strategy is “wrong” if it causes the “wrong” candidate to win (Trump) or it attracts the “wrong” kind of voters, such as icky lower class whites. OTOH, if you pursue the “right” strategy and lose, you are still “right” because you did thing the right way – in topsy-turvy cuckworld, McCain and Romney were “right” even though they lost the election.

    Or:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    Hey, I like Ike, too. For one thing, he actually thought that America should defend her borders against invaders:

    Operation Wetback was a system of tactical control and cooperation within the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government.[26] Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower, and the Mexican government began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954.[27] On May 17, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation.[28] Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico.[29] Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities.[30] While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.[29]
    Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[31] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[32] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force.[32]
    During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.[33]
    The program resulted in a more permanent, strategic border control presence along the Mexico-United States border.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    Replies: @Sean, @Jack D, @Random Dude on the Internet

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Right before the election a news story aired in the break room at work in which a bunch of Trump supporters in a Midwest diner stated their case. They were all relatively eloquent, used proper grammar and said nothing that could be taken as "deplorable." And yet the only comment in the room was a disgusted "Look how FAT they are." Because no liberal anywhere in the country is fat? This is the sickness of mind in blue states.

  74. @Anonymous
    This is a great article that explains my thinking with the gop. The gop is going to split into a socially liberal and economically conservative wing and a socially conservative and economically liberal wing.

    I was looking at some poll data and basically, whites making over 200k are shifting blue, with mitt Romney ahead of Obama by 28 points versus Trump only leading by one percent. Much of the old GOP like George Bush have turned over to the democrats. Likewise, the South is becoming solid again, this time for a rather liberal populist, not for a conservative. I think it's only a matter of time before unions start courting with Republicans , considering how Republicans hate free trade nowadays and considering how Michigan went red this time. And don't forget, a trump infrastructure bill that looks like the new deal is getting passed very soon.

    And it seems awfully like the Republicans want voter supression

    At the same time, Obama was rather conservative, especially in his health care plan, which had ideas moderate republicans came up with in the 1990s and Mitt Romney himself passed in Massachusetts. During the 2016 debate when trump basically said, "no one is going to be left to die" and attacked ted Cruz's standard Republican answer to obamacare. And let's not start with the tpp.

    Over the next couple of years, the Republican party will become the lower class white party while democrats become the new party of the wealthy and white collar workers.

    Replies: @Bill, @jack o'fire

    The gop is going to split into a socially liberal and economically conservative wing

    Yeah, but the Koch brothers only have two votes. Well, I guess they have four, but I’m not sure whether Frederick and Bill are “socially liberal and economically conservative.”

  75. @unit472
    That 55% of Clinton's voters were white leaves a lot of room for the GOP to practice 'identity' politics. The GOP could also use its dominance in state legislatures to ban voting by felons. Since Trump is going to deport immigrants with criminal histories anyway removing domestic criminals from the voter base makes sense as who wants judges, sheriffs and prosecutors having to appeal to the 'criminal vote'. Doing this would make it very hard for the Democrats to flip states Trump won.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Rod1963

    ALL we need to do is enforce existing laws.
    Citizens only vote…..PROOF required.
    Now that we may be able to get a SCOTUS that doesn’t stand in the way of the Constitution, this may become possible.
    Also, if Trump had been even slightly less abrasive, it would have been a blowout.
    We need a strong conservative woman, with a clean history. VP to POTUS.

  76. @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

    Yeah, Soros is a big moron. That’s the ticket.

  77. Sad that Republicans still grasp at the “brown elephant” strategy for the future, since it’s a future that, for the GOP, will never come. If immigration is treated seriously, if our borders are among infrastructure reestablished and strengthened, perhaps our population won’t go all burnt sienna day after tomorrow. It’s essential during the Bush term to dump these hive-minders and hacks. The party should be fed up with banging its head against the wall on advice of these retards.

  78. But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”

    Get with the program, White people! We’re building the New (i.e., non-White) America. You can contribute by building your own graves.

    In fact, in an election when Clinton struggled to turn out her base, he ended up slightly overperforming Romney among Latino and African-American voters.

    And Asians.

    SJWs don’t really care about Asians, Steve. Too successful. Not dysfunctional enough.

    “On the one hand, we should be excited about the inroads we’ve made with millennials, backstopping from losing another national election. But those margins are still not sustainable on a long-term basis.”

    And by building “inroads” with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP….

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @syonredux

    A very interesting thing: we millennials are the least White generation, but the word millennial in actual usage pretty much exclusively refers to Whites.

    , @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "And by building “inroads” with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP…."

    If the GOP which is the Christian Party can not even convince extremely religious Black church ladies to vote for them, forget about convincing Black and Brown Millennials who are either Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist to vote for them.

    If any Nonwhite demographic group would have been the perfect fit for the socially conservative bible thumping GOP of Kirk Cameron and Robert Jeffress, it would have been Black church ladies.

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    @syonredux

    "SJWs don't really care about Asians."

    In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  79. @Buck Turgidson
    The lesson is pretty simple: stop immigration, build the wall, catalyze the massive self-deportation process, encourage muzzies to emigrate (e.g., $$ incentive, shut down mosques).

    Replies: @gjk

    “Shut down mosque”

    First amendment. Even Iran let’s Christians have their churches. LOL.

  80. Brain Rust

    Brain Bust

  81. @Josh
    I'm not sure it's possible to be viewed contemporarily as a good president if the press and the intelligence community and the civil service are against you.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I’m not sure it’s possible to be viewed contemporarily as a good president if the press and the intelligence community and the civil service are against you.

    Given the present state of those institutions, it may be the only way.

  82. Looks like Mark Lilla took a bunch of comments off this blog and re-wrote it into a New York Times Op-Ed. Doesn’t matter, as long as the ideas get out there;

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?_r=0

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SPMoore8

    "Visitors from other countries, particularly those having trouble incorporating different ethnic groups and faiths, are amazed that we manage to pull it off. Not perfectly, of course, but certainly better than any European or Asian nation today."

    I'd suspect that those visitors are far more curious about why we try.

    Homogeneous nations just work better. Why fight something so natural? What are we gaining by forcing various peoples together? Are we wealthier? No. Are our cities safer? No. Do we create a more trusting society? No.

    We're fighting the tide for no reason. Indeed, we're fighting the tide to make our lives worse. What a bunch of idiots we are.

    Historians will marvel at this time.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  83. Trafficking in divisive racial rhetoric? Sounds like it’s heroin, or something.

    I’m case you left your decoder ring at home, “divisive” means advantageous to the other side, “racial” means racist (the bad kind), and “rhetoric” means lies.

  84. @Jack D
    See also the comments by Joseph Britt (an alleged Republican) in this column:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    as well as Kristol's remarks. As I said before in that thread, we are going to need a new word for "wrong" because the original meaning is being morphed and twisted. In the old days, your strategy was "wrong" if it caused your side to lose the battle, but in Newspeak, a strategy is "wrong" if it causes the "wrong" candidate to win (Trump) or it attracts the "wrong" kind of voters, such as icky lower class whites. OTOH, if you pursue the "right" strategy and lose, you are still "right" because you did thing the right way - in topsy-turvy cuckworld, McCain and Romney were "right" even though they lost the election.

    Or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAUCVbnDUg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anon

    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    Hey, I like Ike, too. For one thing, he actually thought that America should defend her borders against invaders:

    Operation Wetback was a system of tactical control and cooperation within the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government.[26] Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower, and the Mexican government began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954.[27] On May 17, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation.[28] Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico.[29] Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities.[30] While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.[29]
    Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[31] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[32] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force.[32]
    During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.[33]
    The program resulted in a more permanent, strategic border control presence along the Mexico-United States border.[

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    • Replies: @Sean
    @syonredux


    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.
     
    Eisenhower wanted to give Germany nukes.
    , @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower was like Trump in that although he ran on the Republican ticket, he wasn't really a Republican.

    People who are Democrats or RINOs like Republicans much better after they are dead, so they can compare them unfavorably to living Republicans. The left had nothing but hate for Eisenhower (and later Reagan) while they were in office but now that they are dead they hold them up as exemplars.

    After Truman retired from office, he had nothing. They passed a pension law for Presidents so he wouldn't starve. When Democrats start running folks like Truman again instead of kleptocrats like Hillary, maybe then the Republicans can start running Eisenhowers.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    @syonredux

    I enjoy this part of the gaslighting experience from the left: if the GOP just ran Eisenhowers, the GOP would finally be respectable again! Yet they just ran one of the most corrupt candidates we've ever seen since the 19th century spoils era of politics (1870s-1890s) and that is totally okay!

    I have to wonder if they type this stuff out with a straight face or do they have a Bill Kristol-like smirk on their face, hoping that the unwashed masses will buy it.

  85. Maybe the real lesson to be learned here (and the real elephant in the room that no one is willing to even talk about) is that we desperately need to repeal the 1965 immigration act and replace it with something along the lines of the 1924 immigration act … with the ultimate goal being to make America a 90% white country again.

  86. @carol
    Meanwhile, I notice my Big Corp employer has quietly dropped its Hispanic marketing outreach. It was the new hotness two years ago.

    Bwahaha.

    Replies: @antipater_1, @Old fogey

    I have seen that also in other Big Corps. These fools seem to be slowly coming to a ghastly realization – Hispanics are almost all broke!
    And there is very little financial hope for the future for them.

  87. It’s insidious to the extreme that they’re using the term “we” so quickly, as if they’re already trying to take credit for Trump’s victory. Make no mistake, it was HIS victory because he took the time to appeal to those people. The GOP merely rode on his coattails to keep the Senate.

    Also Whit Ayres is a slimy McCain toady that should never be trusted ever.

  88. There are other ways as well, such as publicizing the work of independment [sic] -minded intellectuals.

    C’mon @Steve_Sailer, don’t expect the world to beat a path to your door. You wrote a pretty decent book about Barack Obama eight years ago and then gave it away pretty much for free. Marketing matters, as you’ve said.

  89. @The most deplorable one
    As someone pointed out on GAB recently, if I was heavily invested in electric cars, alternative energy, necromancy, etc, I would get out of those positions quickly.

    I think Trump is going to stop wasting money on stupid climate change bullshit and it just so happens that large amounts of high quality oil deposits have been found in Texas of all places.

    The US is now swiming in oil.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Buffalo Joe

    If alleged global warming / climate change were the only basis for subsidizing and encouraging vehicles & buildings that use less fossil fuels, you’d be right.

    But even if there is little to no human-caused or human-exacerbated global warming — which there may not be — the burning of fossil fuels poisons our air, water, and land.

    We need to dramatically reduce the pollution of our air and water, for the sake of our health and our children’s health. The global-warming scam doesn’t enter into it for me.

  90. @syonredux

    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”
     
    Get with the program, White people! We're building the New (i.e., non-White) America. You can contribute by building your own graves.

    In fact, in an election when Clinton struggled to turn out her base, he ended up slightly overperforming Romney among Latino and African-American voters.

    And Asians.
     
    SJWs don't really care about Asians, Steve. Too successful. Not dysfunctional enough.

    “On the one hand, we should be excited about the inroads we’ve made with millennials, backstopping from losing another national election. But those margins are still not sustainable on a long-term basis.”
     
    And by building "inroads" with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP....

    Replies: @27 year old, @Jefferson, @The Millennial Falcon

    A very interesting thing: we millennials are the least White generation, but the word millennial in actual usage pretty much exclusively refers to Whites.

  91. @bomag
    @ic1000

    From the article:



    But Trump’s [insert pale demographic group here] pulled him across the finish line, and the fact that he won — and that Republicans up and down the ballot won — removes the motivation for deep thinking about how to improve outreach going forward, some operatives warn.
     
    Note that in this world of one way streets, no "operative" warns the Democrats that just because POC are pulling them across the finish line, they need to improve outreach to non-POC. Instead, they just promulgate policies that increase the size of the demographic that is pulling them across the finish line.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Ms. Gluek’s article has the hallmarks of a Current-Year Story Matched To The Narrative, as described by Michael Cieply last week.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @ic1000

    I would classify it as Fake News.

    , @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @ic1000

    The voices of PeakNeoconnery, with a hint of death rattle. Was hoping for old times sake that they would canvas all the Bushies including Ken Mehlman, Ana Navarro, Linda Chavez, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Gerson and Karl Rove. Their most egregious crime was amplifying the Liberal meme that immigration controls & standards are beyond the realm of polite discussion, just a deranged fascist obsession. The possibility of creating a harmonious republic with Citizenism & assimilation at its heart was set back for a generation with their glib conniving. Time for another immigration time out, but that won't be enough as long as colleges keep churning out weaponized SJWs.

    Replies: @Marty T

  92. Anonymous [AKA "sintoin"] says:
    @anon
    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.


    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America
     
    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list - one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don't need cheap labor.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Jack D, @anon

    It was known as UC Davis until Cesar Chavez had it dumped to protect his workers.

  93. @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    Hey, I like Ike, too. For one thing, he actually thought that America should defend her borders against invaders:

    Operation Wetback was a system of tactical control and cooperation within the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government.[26] Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower, and the Mexican government began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954.[27] On May 17, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation.[28] Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico.[29] Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities.[30] While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.[29]
    Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[31] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[32] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force.[32]
    During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.[33]
    The program resulted in a more permanent, strategic border control presence along the Mexico-United States border.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    Replies: @Sean, @Jack D, @Random Dude on the Internet

    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.

    Eisenhower wanted to give Germany nukes.

  94. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    See also the comments by Joseph Britt (an alleged Republican) in this column:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    as well as Kristol's remarks. As I said before in that thread, we are going to need a new word for "wrong" because the original meaning is being morphed and twisted. In the old days, your strategy was "wrong" if it caused your side to lose the battle, but in Newspeak, a strategy is "wrong" if it causes the "wrong" candidate to win (Trump) or it attracts the "wrong" kind of voters, such as icky lower class whites. OTOH, if you pursue the "right" strategy and lose, you are still "right" because you did thing the right way - in topsy-turvy cuckworld, McCain and Romney were "right" even though they lost the election.

    Or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAUCVbnDUg

    Replies: @syonredux, @Anon

    Right before the election a news story aired in the break room at work in which a bunch of Trump supporters in a Midwest diner stated their case. They were all relatively eloquent, used proper grammar and said nothing that could be taken as “deplorable.” And yet the only comment in the room was a disgusted “Look how FAT they are.” Because no liberal anywhere in the country is fat? This is the sickness of mind in blue states.

  95. @ic1000
    @bomag

    Ms. Gluek's article has the hallmarks of a Current-Year Story Matched To The Narrative, as described by Michael Cieply last week.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I would classify it as Fake News.

  96. @SPMoore8
    I know it's fashionable here to talk about how Latinos are dumber than whites, but even Latinos can tell when they are being pandered to.

    My experience with Latinos (Hispanics, whatever) is that they are generally interested in assimilation, intermarriage, and Americanism. Obviously, there must be some kind of Latino underclass emerging in the SW -- that's what I keep hearing, anyway -- but I see a lot of Latin-White intermarriage, and a lot of assimilation or at least that aspiration among others.

    This is completely setting aside that Cubans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Mexicans are not all on the same page just because they are "Latinos."

    Not to mention my exposure to Latino culture is that it is precisely the kind of culture that most conservative European types would like, in terms of sex roles, male sense of responsibility, etc.

    So, anyway, bottom line I don't know what's going to happen "demographically", but the GOP shouldn't be pandering for Latino votes because most of those Latinos want to be Americans, and the emerging underclass who don't want to assimilate will be self-destructing. Unlike AA's, Latinos rarely have an obvious color bar that they have to cross.

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday

    “My experience with Latinos (Hispanics, whatever) is that they are generally interested in assimilation, intermarriage, and Americanism.”

    Latino politicians…not so much.

  97. @SPMoore8
    Looks like Mark Lilla took a bunch of comments off this blog and re-wrote it into a New York Times Op-Ed. Doesn't matter, as long as the ideas get out there;


    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/opinion/sunday/the-end-of-identity-liberalism.html?_r=0

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “Visitors from other countries, particularly those having trouble incorporating different ethnic groups and faiths, are amazed that we manage to pull it off. Not perfectly, of course, but certainly better than any European or Asian nation today.”

    I’d suspect that those visitors are far more curious about why we try.

    Homogeneous nations just work better. Why fight something so natural? What are we gaining by forcing various peoples together? Are we wealthier? No. Are our cities safer? No. Do we create a more trusting society? No.

    We’re fighting the tide for no reason. Indeed, we’re fighting the tide to make our lives worse. What a bunch of idiots we are.

    Historians will marvel at this time.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Historians may marvel, but the important thing is how radical it was for such an article to be published in the New York Times echo chamber. Thus, the top rated comment begins this way: "This article is insulting to people who are not cisgendered, heterosexual white men. Identity is not something which can be quietly set aside in pursuit of common goals ......"

    You can fill in the rest.

    If the Dems or the Liberals want to have any success in the future, they have to jettison identity and grievance politics.

  98. “Donald Trump spent the campaign trafficking in divisive racial rhetoric — and he won anyway.”

    If Donald Trump traffics in divisive racial rhetoric he learned it from the best which is The Democratic Party. To use an analogy The Democratic Party are the Godfathers of racist identity politics, the way N.W.A are the Godfathers of gangsta rap.

  99. @anon
    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.


    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America
     
    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list - one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don't need cheap labor.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Jack D, @anon

    teching up low productivity farming

    Nothing would do this faster than a labor shortage brought about by closing the border.

  100. @The most deplorable one
    The Lying Main Stream Media thinks we don't remember shit:

    https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/799345716879622144

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    Hilarious! But, I don’t think The New Republic has escaped massive damage for publishing this sort of blatant idiocy.

    It was not that long ago the TNR had some influence over the MSM. It was clearly left-of-center but articles were well-written and involved some real knowledge of the subject under discussion.

    After that Facebook centi-millionaire, Chris Hughes, bought it in 2012, quality dropped precipitously and by 2014, all of its formerly well-known journalists were gone.

    At that point, Hughes sold whatever legal rights TNR had to a complete nonentity from Oregon.

    I’m not even sure they have a paper edition any more. I think they only have a website.

  101. @God Emperor Putin
    I guarantee that the vast majority of Hispanics only get their news from liberal media sources. Even if they gave Hispanics amnesty with. Republican president and Republican congress, the liberal media would spin it like this:

    -The Republicans are racist and only passed amnesty so that you would vote for them. How stupid they must think you are that you would fall for this racist trick.
    -The Republicans may have passed amnesty but the Democrats were the ones made it happen by constantly pestering them about it.

    The only move is to deport all illegals and only let whites immigrate while trying to push all of the Hispanics in Texas to California to dilute their vote. While this kind of thought is never allowed in "respectable" circles, the Democrats are openly cheering their plans to turn Texas blue.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Fredrik, @Anoni

    I may misunderstand something but shouldn’t a Republican strategy be to chase illegals in California? The state has plenty of electoral votes and is Democrat. It has plenty of illegals too.

    If Republicans could remove a few electoral votes from California after the next census that would be a huge boost, wouldn’t it?

  102. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    AIDS epidemic wasn’t about innocent homo martyrs being sacrificed for their virtue, like Christians fed to the lions during Roman times. It was the result of the excesses of homo vice that went totally out of control in bath-houses and similar hangouts.

    But, the elites have sacralized homo deaths from AIDS as if saints sacrificed their lives in the struggle against great evil. But just how is it noble or uplifting for a bunch of homo guys go around penetrating each other’s anuses with sex organs? How is the free-wheeling exchange of bacteria, viruses, and fecal matter a great moral act?
    But we are to believe that utterly innocent angels and saints were killed by the Evil of Reagan’s Indifference.

    Well, using that logic, how about we turn all those dead ‘white trash’ into angels and saints too. We know a lot of them died of heroin, meth, and alcohol abuse. They indulged in a lot of vice. But let’s not blame them at all. Since this problem took off in the 90s, let’s blame Clinton’s Indifference, Dubya’s Indifference, and Obama’s Indifference.

    And let’s teach our kids that there is no man nobler than Crackhead Bob.

  103. @God Emperor Putin
    I guarantee that the vast majority of Hispanics only get their news from liberal media sources. Even if they gave Hispanics amnesty with. Republican president and Republican congress, the liberal media would spin it like this:

    -The Republicans are racist and only passed amnesty so that you would vote for them. How stupid they must think you are that you would fall for this racist trick.
    -The Republicans may have passed amnesty but the Democrats were the ones made it happen by constantly pestering them about it.

    The only move is to deport all illegals and only let whites immigrate while trying to push all of the Hispanics in Texas to California to dilute their vote. While this kind of thought is never allowed in "respectable" circles, the Democrats are openly cheering their plans to turn Texas blue.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Fredrik, @Anoni

    Join the movement to extend refugee status to South African Whites. Its morally correct, and if we can get them to settle in the right states, there are enough numbers to matter.

    I am guessing Boers will vote 99% republican. Not a lot of Boers are going to vote for the black party.

  104. @Diversity Heretic
    It's not inherently wrong for a political party to try and broaden its base. But if it risks alienating its core in doing so, it must be done with care or not at all. That's exactly what those damn fools in the GOP were doing; their outreach efforts left its base with no reason to vote for it.

    Demographic change, moreover, is not written in stone, certainly not in elections. There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end "motor voter"). The U.S. could shut down the Mexican consulates that facilitate Mexicans living in the United States and rigorously enforce employment laws. There's also the possibility of compensation for people who renounce their citizenship and leave the country--expensive in the short run but it would certainly benefit the GOP and its white base. There also needs to be new laws on immigration that minimize the number of people entering the country who might eventually vote Democratic--I know that's not easy to predict, but I'll bet that there's data on it. There needs to be an end to birthright citizenship and reformation of the naturalization process so that it takes much much longer to become a citizen (twenty years continuous residence, for example).

    But the GOP has no stomach for this fight, even though it's a fight for its survival and ultimately for the survival of the U.S. as an extension of European civilization. All of these policies have a racial component and an accusation of racism is still political death in the GOP.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Chrisnonymous

    There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end “motor voter”).

    I am not even sure it is necessary to depress the black and hispanic vote to get decent governance. I am pretty sure that land owning male voters aged 21 and older will vote for better policies than unmarried women of any race.

    Sadly, women are the problem. Married men are the most responsible citizens, single moms the least.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Joe Schmoe

    Agreed--women (especially single women) are a colossal electoral problem and the 19th Amendment may be the most significant triumph of the Progressive Era. But I admit I have no idea how to shift the Overton Window on the issue of women's suffrage.

  105. Most likely these people have been bought off with MONEY!!! Not members of the Bush family, who don’t need it and are just plain nuts, but most of the others. Simplest explanation is usually best.

  106. College Girls are pouting because all the hot guys are Trump supporters…

    Attractive people are mostly Trump supporters (or Bernie supporters in the primaries). everyone on Twitter agrees. Women are now moving beyond a single anecdotal observation, and drawing the broad conclusion that “every” hot guy they come across inevitably turns out to be a Trump supporter.

    bodes well for the future of America

  107. @Buck Turgidson
    @Dave Pinsen

    Outstanding! We are going to control concentrations of atmospheric gases on a planetary scale, and global climate dynamics, via things like hopelessly complicated, stupid, and impossible global agreements that never work; but, granted, they do get a lot of self-important windbags to meetings in cool places like Paris and Morocco and with big group photos that must look good to some people. Not me, I think they look like garden-variety liberal saps who keep going to the same stupid pointless meetings, with vast billowing clouds of hot air and dust, promising to do the same things that never happen. Yet, they keep going. Watch, we will have 'Rio 2018' and 'Durban 2019' and 'Tiburon 2020' on and on. Nothing ever happens but an agreement to have the next meeting in a cool destination. But, we cannot build a wall and stop immigration -- even though most nations in the world (e.g., Mexico!) do it easily. So it goes with the liberal / communist / globalist / We Are the World "thought" process.

    Replies: @Kyle

    The Chinese will tell you with a straight face that they are meeting carbon emission standards. And they will believe it, too. The entire society will psych itself into believing the collective lie.
    Our politicians are stupid. They’re coddled and were sent to all white schools, and don’t understand the Chinese people or culture one bit.

  108. @AndrewR
    This whole idea that "America is inevitably getting less white" rests on any number of dubious premises.

    Suffice to say that I don't have great difficulty imagining an America over 90% white within a decade or two.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anon

    Suffice to say that I don’t have great difficulty imagining an America over 90% white within a decade or two.

    How would you get there?

  109. He’s right though. Changing demographics may diminish liberalism over time, but minorities will still vote for democrats. And Trump didn’t massively outperform Romney for the minority vote, he only got a few points more — and that was probably because Hillary isn’t Obama.

    Advocates for the Sailer Strategy act like its a zero sum game. You can appeal to whites and minorities at the same time. In the future, you will need to.

    The Liu Strategy: Upscale whites can be turned by “dumbing down” urban culture — smashing academia culture. Lower class minorities can be turned by appealing to traditional masculinity.

  110. @Jim Christian
    When it comes to JEB Bush and the people that lost 2008 and 2012 to this asshat con man of a President, I'm all out of patience. Turns out nominating RINOs, pandering to Hispanics, flipping the right-wing position on 10 or 12 issues to the Democrat position not only doesn't win Democrats of ANY stripe (they STILL demonize you), but then you lose your base. Cater to your base and many off your base come with you. Face the facts that Blacks, Latinos are against you 80/20 and then get the Republican base to the polls while reducing the numbers before it's too late with the Wall. This is not the last cycle, the NeoCons just want back in. Politico, Steve? Really?

    Call bullshit on global warming and get a legal investigation going. Law and order. Make SOME mention of Christianity. Present a beautiful family, give us someone to be proud of. Jobs, Immigration, no bending, none. Build the Wall. Stop fucking pandering to Democrats, stop reaching across the aisle, stop playing footsy with them. Above all, get the Conservative agenda in and running while you're in, hold the house and Senate. Toward that end, install hard core Conservatives in the Speaker positions. Lose pussies like Paul Ryan. And then? There is no substitute for good governance.

    That's how a Conservative policy runs. Listening to ANY of the baby-boomer liberal wing of the RNC is BAD advice. We just saw THEM and an all-out leftwing attack in support of Hillary hammered flat. This base that won can be expanded. But the Bushes, Romney and McCain, all their liberal RNC ilk are done. I wouldn't return their phone calls.

    I hear Trump is offering Romney the Libyan Embassy. His security will be Barney Fife, one six-shooter, one bullet.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    I was with you 100 percent, Mr. Christian (love the name!) until you penned the last paragraph. That was uncalled for, and dare I say it, almost un-Christian.

  111. @Dave Pinsen
    Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    Replies: @eah, @Buck Turgidson, @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @The Millennial Falcon

    Perfectly put, Mr. Pinsen. Bravo

  112. “and that the momentum behind efforts to expand the Republican tent to include more minorities and young people has evaporated.”

    How do you attract more Nonwhites to The Republican Party when the majority of Nonwhites are politically Left of center.

    Even on political issues that have nothing to do with immigration most Nonwhite Americans still lean Left. Most Nonwhite Americans are not huge pro-second amendment defenders like Ted Nugent and Wayne LaPierre are. Most Nonwhite Americans side with Black Lies Matter over the police . Most Nonwhite Americans do not believe college campus political correctness has gotten way out of control. Most Nonwhite Americans do not think affirmative action is racist. Most Nonwhite Americans are also big supporters of raising taxes on everything. In majority Nonwhite Bay Area for example the voters there overwhelmingly voted in favor of a soda tax increase.

    If majority Nonwhite California broke off from the rest of the nation and became their own country, they would become as Left Wing as Venezuela.

    It’s not possible to convert these people into Conservative Republicans.

  113. The demographic issue is actually pretty easy to solve. All it takes is just restructuring the tax code and social spending to get the right demographics in place. Right now, taxpayers are incentivized to not have children and non-taxpayers are incentivized to have more children. What a shock that birthrates are what they are and that there is an increase in births by single mothers regardless of race. Remove the incentives by the net negative tax contributors and increase the incentives by net positive tax contributors. Everyone will call Trump a racist for doing so but hey, they’re already doing it so he has nothing to lose there. It will take a couple years but suddenly we will start to see more children being born with taxpaying parents (nuclear household, mostly white but not always) and we will see a drop in illegitimate children being born.

    That and real immigration reform, of course. This is a one-two punch that can begin undoing the thirdworldification of America.

  114. @anon
    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.


    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America
     
    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list - one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don't need cheap labor.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Jack D, @anon

    There is a lot you can do with mechanical harvesting and more all the time. Olive oil used to be something produced by traditional methods in places like Tunisia by hand picking the olive trees one by one. Then someone figured out that you can prune olive trees to grow like hedges and run a grape harvesting machine down the hedgerows and now some of the best olive oil in the world comes from California. But they had to completely reimagine what an olive grove looked like.

    US agriculture is already highly mechanized in certain areas – 1 farmer in Iowa can farm hundreds of acres of corn by himself. Farm labor nowadays is only a negligible % of the workforce. With a little out of the box thinking you could squeeze the rest of the manual labor out of the system.

  115. @PiltdownMan
    @Almost Missouri


    I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

     
    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    Anyone questioning this statement should Google John Paul Gatto.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Old fogey

    The kind of education Gatto writes about, so far as I've seen, is intended for the lower to middle classes, or proles if you will (in the 1984 sense, not in the sense of workers). Our elites theoretically ought to be able to bypass the systematic dumbing down.

  116. @Anonymous
    Alas, how quickly the MMM has been forgotten.

    The deeper and wider point is that the importation of millions upon millions of low skill low productivity third world immigrants - as 'recommended' by The Economist magazine - at a time of decades long income stagnation, has by and large destroyed the capacity of the USA for sustaining long term high rates of economic growth and the attendant capital formation.
    If the US economy is unable to absorb something as trifling and inconsequential as a property boom, due to incapacity of the newly arrived immigrant population to earn enough actual hard cash to pay for their accommodation, it really has little long term hope - despite all the stinky bullshit you might read from the those right-wing bastards at The Economist.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Alas, how quickly the MMM has been forgotten.

    The Million Man March?

  117. @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    Hey, I like Ike, too. For one thing, he actually thought that America should defend her borders against invaders:

    Operation Wetback was a system of tactical control and cooperation within the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government.[26] Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower, and the Mexican government began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954.[27] On May 17, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation.[28] Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico.[29] Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities.[30] While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.[29]
    Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[31] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[32] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force.[32]
    During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.[33]
    The program resulted in a more permanent, strategic border control presence along the Mexico-United States border.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    Replies: @Sean, @Jack D, @Random Dude on the Internet

    Eisenhower was like Trump in that although he ran on the Republican ticket, he wasn’t really a Republican.

    People who are Democrats or RINOs like Republicans much better after they are dead, so they can compare them unfavorably to living Republicans. The left had nothing but hate for Eisenhower (and later Reagan) while they were in office but now that they are dead they hold them up as exemplars.

    After Truman retired from office, he had nothing. They passed a pension law for Presidents so he wouldn’t starve. When Democrats start running folks like Truman again instead of kleptocrats like Hillary, maybe then the Republicans can start running Eisenhowers.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Jack D

    Adlai Stevenson was like Trump by that measure, since he wasn't a Republican either. The thing about Eisenhower is he was the Establishment's boy that year. Taft, although nicknamed "Mr. Republican," was more the outsider. That's the significance of Trump: not that he wasn't really a Republican but that he's anti-Establishment.

    Eisenhower beating out Taft wouldn't be like Egg McMuffin beating Trump, exactly, but Ike was the Egg NcMuffin of that primary.

    Sorry, Eisenhower's rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway? He must've leaped over a hundred senior officers. The history books damn sure won't tell you.

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Millennial Falcon, @Buffalo Joe

  118. @415 reasons
    @Dave Pinsen

    Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is "move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities" then what is the point?

    For Republican voters the point is standing up against this coalition of insane people trying to turn our country into a one party banana republic. If the Republican leaders think they can win elections by selling out that goal, they're worse than useless. Also, they happen to be totally wrong; they're never going to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    Don't they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn't that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Infuriating.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson, @Honorary Thief

    “Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is “move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities” then what is the point?”

    The only way The Republican Party can move to the political Left of The Democratic Party is if they change their name to The Communist Party and adopt their policies.

    The DNC in it’s current form is already way too far to the Left.

    Plus the GOP would lose the vast majority of their White voter base if they tried to Out Left the DNC, which would guarantee the GOP would never win another presidential election again.

  119. @carol
    Meanwhile, I notice my Big Corp employer has quietly dropped its Hispanic marketing outreach. It was the new hotness two years ago.

    Bwahaha.

    Replies: @antipater_1, @Old fogey

    “Hispanic outreach” I don’t know about others, but my blood pressure rises whenever I walk into the local Home Depot and see all the signs translated into Spanish. . .

  120. “But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”

    A win is a win by any means necessary. At least Donald J. Trump won the Electoral College vote . Your pro-open borders darlings Mitt Romney and John McCain were too incompetent to even accomplish that.

  121. @Zachary Latif
    America is black or white (the native Americans were constantly assimilating on the spectrum).

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    It'd be interesting to see how many Irish-Americans care about the old country anymore?

    Trump can be a mix of Teddy Roosevelt (patriotism, national identity, foreign policy) and Franklin (infrastructure, New Deal type etc)..

    Replies: @gregor, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson, @Reg Cæsar

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white

    I think this is a widely held assumption that is not quite correct. The whites who don’t have any pre-American identity anymore are mongrels. In my hometown, people from Irish families that have mostly stayed Irish have a strong Irish identity, even if their political loyalties are entirely to the US. Parts of my family in the mid-west are strongly German-identifying. I suspect the same is true of Italian families in NYC. The fact that ethnic identity is still played up on TV shows like Blue Bloods indicates that it resonates with many white people.

    Some people on this blog have suggested before that being highly cooperative is characteristically white. That’s completely and highly speculative, but it correctly points to the fact that drawing parallels between the European-American experience and a hypothetical future and different-from-current Mexican-, MENA-, or Chinese-American experience is also speculative and a gamble.

    Italian-Americans who assimilated assimilated to a WASP-German cultural matrix. Mexicans who hypothetically assimilate will assimilate to an inchoate “white” and “American” cultural matrix. Since our political institutions are basically Anglo-, this kind of dilution is not without possible consequences.

    Europeans who left their countries in the past travelled an ocean away to a land that they clearly conceptualized as belonging to its native population. Mexicans who leave Mexico settle right next to their home in a place many of them believe is Mexican by right. From an assimilation perspective, that is a completely different circumstance. I also suggest that, in an age of Internet communication and globalization/internationalization, people coming from overseas don’t have the same perspective on settling in the US as Europeans of the 19th century.

    For a variety of reasons, the US would be better off sending as many people home as possible, severely curtailing all future immigration, and adopting WASP-centered self-identity and pro-natal policies than crossing its fingers and hoping that Mexicans can do the thing that maybe Italians did.

  122. @syonredux
    @Jack D


    Across the generations: Dwight Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States, exemplar of the personal qualities, civic outlook, and record of service that were ideal goals for one era of Republican leaders. The Republican who will be 45th president exemplifies other traits.
     
    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/11/after-the-election-what-a-pathetic-thing-is-decadence/507635/

    Hey, I like Ike, too. For one thing, he actually thought that America should defend her borders against invaders:

    Operation Wetback was a system of tactical control and cooperation within the U.S. Border Patrol and alongside the Mexican government.[26] Planning between the INS, led by Gen. Joseph Swing as appointed by President Eisenhower, and the Mexican government began in early 1954 while the program was formally announced in May 1954.[27] On May 17, command teams of 12 Border Patrol agents, buses, planes, and temporary processing stations began locating, processing, and deporting Mexicans who had illegally entered the United States. A total of 750 immigration and border patrol officers and investigators; 300 jeeps, cars and buses; and seven airplanes were allocated for the operation.[28] Teams were focused on quick processing, as planes were able to coordinate with ground efforts and quickly deport people into Mexico.[29] Those deported were handed off to Mexican officials, who in turn moved them into central Mexico where there were many labor opportunities.[30] While the operation included the cities of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago, its main targets were border areas in Texas and California.[29]
    Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[31] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[32] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force.[32]
    During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.[33]
    The program resulted in a more permanent, strategic border control presence along the Mexico-United States border.[
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

    Replies: @Sean, @Jack D, @Random Dude on the Internet

    I enjoy this part of the gaslighting experience from the left: if the GOP just ran Eisenhowers, the GOP would finally be respectable again! Yet they just ran one of the most corrupt candidates we’ve ever seen since the 19th century spoils era of politics (1870s-1890s) and that is totally okay!

    I have to wonder if they type this stuff out with a straight face or do they have a Bill Kristol-like smirk on their face, hoping that the unwashed masses will buy it.

  123. @Tiny Duck
    Any party that relies on whites has no future

    That's why the Democratic Party picking a Black Muslim for head of the DNC ensures huge gains for the next election cycle

    Replies: @Jack D, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    In case you haven’t figured it out, TD is a troll playing a leftist, a sort of Colbert of the left. Usually he stays in character pretty well, but sometimes he slips – not even the most ardent leftist really believes that Black Muslims are big vote getters. Even B. Hussein O. had to pretend to be a Christian.

    PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn’t get the job. Ellison was associated with the highly anti-Semitic Nation of Islam which is even worse that mainstream Islam. They believe that white people are a race of “devils” created by a scientist named Yakub. Blacks provide much of the votes in the coalition of the fringes but Jews provide much of the money and the party literally can’t afford to ignore them (yet).

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn’t get the job."

    Keith Ellison will get the job because he is backed by extremely powerful Jews in Washington DC like Chuck Schumer, Al Franken, and Bernie Sanders. The majority of American Jews do not believe Muslims and Blacks are capable of being anti-Semites, that is why your people easily forgave Jesse Jackson and did not blacklist him for life from the mainstream media.

    Most of your people believe only White Christians are capable of being anti-Semites.

    If the Muslim Keith Ellison ran for POTUS against Donald Trump in 2020, Keith would still win around 70 percent of the Jewish vote. 70 percent of your people see themselves in Muslim people.

    I remember there was a poll citing that said the majority of American Jews hold a more favorable opinion of Muslims than they do of Christians.

    American Jews love of Muslims remind me of American Mulattos love for the deadbeat Black fathers who abandon them. The love is a one way street because the love is never reciprocated back.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  124. @syonredux

    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”
     
    Get with the program, White people! We're building the New (i.e., non-White) America. You can contribute by building your own graves.

    In fact, in an election when Clinton struggled to turn out her base, he ended up slightly overperforming Romney among Latino and African-American voters.

    And Asians.
     
    SJWs don't really care about Asians, Steve. Too successful. Not dysfunctional enough.

    “On the one hand, we should be excited about the inroads we’ve made with millennials, backstopping from losing another national election. But those margins are still not sustainable on a long-term basis.”
     
    And by building "inroads" with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP....

    Replies: @27 year old, @Jefferson, @The Millennial Falcon

    “And by building “inroads” with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP….”

    If the GOP which is the Christian Party can not even convince extremely religious Black church ladies to vote for them, forget about convincing Black and Brown Millennials who are either Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist to vote for them.

    If any Nonwhite demographic group would have been the perfect fit for the socially conservative bible thumping GOP of Kirk Cameron and Robert Jeffress, it would have been Black church ladies.

  125. @Diversity Heretic
    It's not inherently wrong for a political party to try and broaden its base. But if it risks alienating its core in doing so, it must be done with care or not at all. That's exactly what those damn fools in the GOP were doing; their outreach efforts left its base with no reason to vote for it.

    Demographic change, moreover, is not written in stone, certainly not in elections. There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end "motor voter"). The U.S. could shut down the Mexican consulates that facilitate Mexicans living in the United States and rigorously enforce employment laws. There's also the possibility of compensation for people who renounce their citizenship and leave the country--expensive in the short run but it would certainly benefit the GOP and its white base. There also needs to be new laws on immigration that minimize the number of people entering the country who might eventually vote Democratic--I know that's not easy to predict, but I'll bet that there's data on it. There needs to be an end to birthright citizenship and reformation of the naturalization process so that it takes much much longer to become a citizen (twenty years continuous residence, for example).

    But the GOP has no stomach for this fight, even though it's a fight for its survival and ultimately for the survival of the U.S. as an extension of European civilization. All of these policies have a racial component and an accusation of racism is still political death in the GOP.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Chrisnonymous

    Yes, and the appointment of Sessions as AG points to the fact that Trump really did see his Mexican and Islamic comments as relating to problems of criminality and not as dog-whistling new approaches to immigration.

  126. @AndrewR
    This whole idea that "America is inevitably getting less white" rests on any number of dubious premises.

    Suffice to say that I don't have great difficulty imagining an America over 90% white within a decade or two.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anon

    How is that possible? Please expand

  127. @unit472
    That 55% of Clinton's voters were white leaves a lot of room for the GOP to practice 'identity' politics. The GOP could also use its dominance in state legislatures to ban voting by felons. Since Trump is going to deport immigrants with criminal histories anyway removing domestic criminals from the voter base makes sense as who wants judges, sheriffs and prosecutors having to appeal to the 'criminal vote'. Doing this would make it very hard for the Democrats to flip states Trump won.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Rod1963

    Totally agree.

    And lets not forget about supporting Voter ID, which the Democrats are terrified of because it strips them of one of their principal tools – voter fraud.

    Make ID mandatory and millions of Democratic voters vanish along with all the illegals.

  128. @Zachary Latif
    America is black or white (the native Americans were constantly assimilating on the spectrum).

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    It'd be interesting to see how many Irish-Americans care about the old country anymore?

    Trump can be a mix of Teddy Roosevelt (patriotism, national identity, foreign policy) and Franklin (infrastructure, New Deal type etc)..

    Replies: @gregor, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson, @Reg Cæsar

    “Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.”

    You are willing to accept all Hispanics as “White” regardless of phenotype? So the Cuban female volleyball team for example are not Black, they are just swarthy Mediterranean White girls, no different from the swarthy Italian women on The Real Housewives Of New Jersey.
    Now you are getting into White is a social construct territory.

  129. @carol
    OT - anyone else notice CBS This Morning carefully speccing out Trump Tower in Manhattan, complete with aerial shot placing it just north of Central Park, its distinctive shape, Trump's main floor number...it's the penthouse, guys,...

    What are they desiring with this - ?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Clinton’s Saudi Arabian assistant, distraught over her failing marriage bringing down her boss, flies an airplane into Trump Tower 9/11-style?

  130. @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

    IDK, cowardice is the stronger motivator in my view: they don’t want to be forthright about appealing to whites, which is pathetic since, as Scott Alexander shows, Trump didn’t try to present himself as a champion of average whites anymore than most Republicans do, and it showed with him getting smaller share of white vote than Romney.

  131. Good way for GOP going forward: 1. Kick out the illegals fast. 2. Mandate E-verify. 3. Eliminate legal immigration from the third world. 4. Insist on voter identification. 5. Make voter fraud a felony.

    Better way: Only people who pay a federal income tax at the end of the year should be allowed to vote.

    Best Way: Re-introduce a challenging test to assess intellectual competence as a prerequisite for voting as well as for holding office.

    Any one of these measures will help the stupid party and hurt the evil party. In fact the latter two measures would render the Democratic party extinct and force the Republican party to be honest.

  132. @Light Roast
    OT - Rejoice, Sailerites!

    Look at who is tapped to be our nation's chief prosecutor:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html?_r=0

    In addition, see how the new and improved unbiased New York Times waited 4 whole paragraphs before attacking Sessions.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    I would preferred to see Sessions in a different position, and I would not prefer to see Giuliani in a different position than AG. Ergo, I would have preferred Giuliani.

    I think maybe AG is not a good fit for people who are strongly socially conservative (cf, Ashcroft).

    For fun, Trump should have nominated James Comey as AG.

    • Replies: @jack o'fire
    @Chrisnonymous

    Ashcroft? Like I was discussing with my wife tonight about that time when he covered up the partially nude statues so there were no distractions... what a doofus.

  133. @Jack D
    @Tiny Duck

    In case you haven't figured it out, TD is a troll playing a leftist, a sort of Colbert of the left. Usually he stays in character pretty well, but sometimes he slips - not even the most ardent leftist really believes that Black Muslims are big vote getters. Even B. Hussein O. had to pretend to be a Christian.

    PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn't get the job. Ellison was associated with the highly anti-Semitic Nation of Islam which is even worse that mainstream Islam. They believe that white people are a race of "devils" created by a scientist named Yakub. Blacks provide much of the votes in the coalition of the fringes but Jews provide much of the money and the party literally can't afford to ignore them (yet).

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn’t get the job.”

    Keith Ellison will get the job because he is backed by extremely powerful Jews in Washington DC like Chuck Schumer, Al Franken, and Bernie Sanders. The majority of American Jews do not believe Muslims and Blacks are capable of being anti-Semites, that is why your people easily forgave Jesse Jackson and did not blacklist him for life from the mainstream media.

    Most of your people believe only White Christians are capable of being anti-Semites.

    If the Muslim Keith Ellison ran for POTUS against Donald Trump in 2020, Keith would still win around 70 percent of the Jewish vote. 70 percent of your people see themselves in Muslim people.

    I remember there was a poll citing that said the majority of American Jews hold a more favorable opinion of Muslims than they do of Christians.

    American Jews love of Muslims remind me of American Mulattos love for the deadbeat Black fathers who abandon them. The love is a one way street because the love is never reciprocated back.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, Does Franken have any clout in the Senate?

  134. “I am very afraid we will take away the wrong lesson from this.” says Whit Ayres, a veteran GOP pollster. A pollster, that’s precious, because they proved to be so prescient and valuable in this election. I now have more respect for witch doctors and fortune tellers.

  135. @Dave Pinsen
    Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    Replies: @eah, @Buck Turgidson, @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @The Millennial Falcon

    Dave, trademark this bumper sticker remark.

  136. A thought occurred to me reading this post.

    The damage that Jorge Arbusto did this country while ostensibly doing his best to be a good president is nearly equal to the damage done by Obama. Obama on the other hand had from the very beginning the goal of fundamentally transforming America. Restated another way, Obama’s quasi-explicit goal was to take this country apart brick by brick while grinding the faces of its historical founders in excrement.

    Quite a feat for Bush. And something that still doesn’t seem to be fully comprehended by the “miss me yet?” subset of Republicans.

  137. Maybe Dallas was a City of Hate in 63, but Trump Derangement Syndrome has turned America into a Nation of Hate.

    And it is the media leading the charge by comparing Trump to Hitler and demeaning the Rule of Law as ‘Nazism’.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/306709-ohio-man-charged-with-threatening-trumps-life-on-twitter

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "Maybe Dallas was a City of Hate in 63, but Trump Derangement Syndrome has turned America into a Nation of Hate."

    America is one big Dallas of hate.

  138. @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower was like Trump in that although he ran on the Republican ticket, he wasn't really a Republican.

    People who are Democrats or RINOs like Republicans much better after they are dead, so they can compare them unfavorably to living Republicans. The left had nothing but hate for Eisenhower (and later Reagan) while they were in office but now that they are dead they hold them up as exemplars.

    After Truman retired from office, he had nothing. They passed a pension law for Presidents so he wouldn't starve. When Democrats start running folks like Truman again instead of kleptocrats like Hillary, maybe then the Republicans can start running Eisenhowers.

    Replies: @guest

    Adlai Stevenson was like Trump by that measure, since he wasn’t a Republican either. The thing about Eisenhower is he was the Establishment’s boy that year. Taft, although nicknamed “Mr. Republican,” was more the outsider. That’s the significance of Trump: not that he wasn’t really a Republican but that he’s anti-Establishment.

    Eisenhower beating out Taft wouldn’t be like Egg McMuffin beating Trump, exactly, but Ike was the Egg NcMuffin of that primary.

    Sorry, Eisenhower’s rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway? He must’ve leaped over a hundred senior officers. The history books damn sure won’t tell you.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @guest


    Sorry, Eisenhower’s rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway?
     
    Excellent staff-officer. The kind of man that you need to run a huge coalition (USA, UK, Canada, etc) in wartime.

    Also a very cunning operator. Nixon (an excellent judge of such things) frequently talked about Ike's complex and devious mind.

    Replies: @guest

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    @guest

    The Establishment was less toxic in those days.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @guest

    Guest, The most amazing thing about Ike was that he had never been in combat. He was an astute judge of men and was not afraid to fire those who strayed from the game plan. Ike was the CEO of the battle field, not the warrior general., attention to detail and planning were his strong suit.

    Replies: @guest

  139. @Dave Pinsen
    Elites believe they can use policy to alter climate change but not demographic change. Odd.

    Replies: @eah, @Buck Turgidson, @Old fogey, @Buffalo Joe, @The Millennial Falcon

    Global browning

  140. @415 reasons
    @Dave Pinsen

    Even if you take increasing diversity as likely to proceed, if the solution is "move to the left of the Democrats so we win more votes from rent-seeking minorities" then what is the point?

    For Republican voters the point is standing up against this coalition of insane people trying to turn our country into a one party banana republic. If the Republican leaders think they can win elections by selling out that goal, they're worse than useless. Also, they happen to be totally wrong; they're never going to out-Democrat the Democrats.

    Don't they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn't that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Infuriating.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Jefferson, @Honorary Thief

    Don’t they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn’t that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?

    Yep. Trump’s improvement over Romney is also attributable to the self-respect issue: Hispanics and blacks were probably put off by Romney’s mewling ass-kissing and respected Trump’s non-pandering.

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    @Honorary Thief

    Regardless of the reason for it, Trump's result proves that the establishment was wrong about the toxicity of the policies with minority voters. It's impossible to know how Trumps message would have done in the 2012 election against Obama. But it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trumps message resonated with enough rust belt voters to win the election and if he did pay some theoretical cost amongst minorities relative to what he theoretically would have gotten with pro-immigration positions it was not enough to effect the outcome of the election.

  141. @Tiny Duck
    Any party that relies on whites has no future

    That's why the Democratic Party picking a Black Muslim for head of the DNC ensures huge gains for the next election cycle

    Replies: @Jack D, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Tiny, One of the best features of Steve’s blog is that we can click on your name and read all of your previous comments and oh so wrong predictions. “Huge gains’ from what demographic; black Muslims? Start an other group, Black Muslims Matter.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @Buffalo Joe

    Like this one on November 8:



    Not looking good for you guys at all!

    Prediction: Clinton 308, Trump 230. National vote Clinton +4

    When Clinton wins I’m wondering what lame excuses we’ll hear from the Republican Party at the end of the week for Chump’s loss.

    1. Voter Fraud?

    2. Wasn’t conservative enough?

    Whatever the excuse, I’m sure it will be eye rolling hilarious.

     

    Yeah, what was the excuse Clinton used for her loss to the Chump? It's been changing.
  142. @syonredux

    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America.”
     
    Get with the program, White people! We're building the New (i.e., non-White) America. You can contribute by building your own graves.

    In fact, in an election when Clinton struggled to turn out her base, he ended up slightly overperforming Romney among Latino and African-American voters.

    And Asians.
     
    SJWs don't really care about Asians, Steve. Too successful. Not dysfunctional enough.

    “On the one hand, we should be excited about the inroads we’ve made with millennials, backstopping from losing another national election. But those margins are still not sustainable on a long-term basis.”
     
    And by building "inroads" with Millennials, I assume that we are all supposed to understand that you are referring to White Millennials, right?Unless you have secret polling data showing that Black and Mestizo Millennials are tilting to the GOP....

    Replies: @27 year old, @Jefferson, @The Millennial Falcon

    “SJWs don’t really care about Asians.”

    In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @The Millennial Falcon

    "In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps."

    Filipino average household income in The U.S is higher than that of Hispanics and African Americans.

    The Southeast Asian groups in The U.S who are mostly known for disproportionate poverty are Hmongs, Laotians, and Cambodians, not Filipinos.

    There is a suburb San Francisco called Daly City which is 35 percent Filipino. It is solidly middle class suburbia just like you see in John Hughes films, the only difference is it's not as White. It doesn't look like a 3rd World ghetto where all of the houses have bars on their windows, people smoking weed and drinking 40s all day on the front porch, and graffiti everywhere. Filipinos living in nice looking homes with well maintained front lawns, most of them have jobs and are not on welfare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Millennial Falcon, @Jack D

  143. But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America

    This makes no sense. Until they change the Constitution, you could win in the Electoral College and lose the popular vote from now until the end of time. It’s true that after each census, the states that have made relative gains in population will get more electoral votes, but the key will still be winning in the Electoral College. Nothing else counts.

  144. @Maj. Kong
    @God Emperor Putin

    There is a divergence as to whether the household is primarily English or Spanish dominant. Margins for the left are far higher in the latter.

    What we effectively need is a 'tax' in an economic sense that creates an incentive to abandon the Raza media. Official English only relates to government, and we have further problems thanks to the 1965 VRA.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps an FCC regulation mandating that Univision put English subtitles on all their shows?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Steve Sailer

    Do you really want English speakers to start absorbing cultural values from Univision, whether they are Latino or not?

    This is called soft power!

    How do you think the latest degeneracies spread from the US to us? Through media, most often subtitled or translated.

  145. @27 year old
    @Luke Lea

    Luke, is it possible to buy your book in physical paper form?

    Replies: @Luke Lea

    “Luke, is it possible to buy your book in physical paper form?”

    Not unless a mainstream publisher takes it up. I’m preparing a new and improved edition.,

  146. [Steve, what’d I say? Seemed okay to me.]

    I am not even sure it is necessary to depress the black and hispanic vote to get decent governance. I am pretty sure that land owning male voters aged 21 and older will vote for better policies than unmarried women of any race.

    Sadly, women are the problem. Married men are the most responsible citizens, single moms the least.

    In terms of voting? I dunno about that. Blacks went 88% for Clinton, and Jews went 71% for Clinton. That’s a pretty high bar.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/306834-trump-sends-signal-administration-may-look-like-campaign

    One thing about Trump talking to guys like Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, etc; it shows they’re willing to talk to him.

    Oh, and it’s sad that someone who thinks “plum” is spelled “plumb” gets to write for a living.

  147. @Anon
    Maybe Dallas was a City of Hate in 63, but Trump Derangement Syndrome has turned America into a Nation of Hate.

    And it is the media leading the charge by comparing Trump to Hitler and demeaning the Rule of Law as 'Nazism'.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/306709-ohio-man-charged-with-threatening-trumps-life-on-twitter

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Maybe Dallas was a City of Hate in 63, but Trump Derangement Syndrome has turned America into a Nation of Hate.”

    America is one big Dallas of hate.

  148. OT, I guess, but I have to say I’m just getting weary of the unrelenting hysteria on the left. It’s like living with someone who has entered some permanent state of mania, weeping, and lashing out. You know they should be hospitalized and tranquilized, but you also know that’s not going to happen, and you just have to bear with it.

    Frankly, I was naive enough that I had mostly expected that the insanity of the election would at least dissipate after election day. I had thought that the losing side would lick its wounds for a while, the winning side would rub it in for a while, but people would come to terms.

    That’s just not happening.

    I found it hard to read the news on my phone before the election, because of the absurd slant against Trump. But I still can’t open up the news without seeing one article after another bashing every last thing Trump does, and, as usual, for the stupidest, most contrived and even false reasons.

    I see that of course the primary casualty of the media’s demented episode will be itself and its own credibility, which should take the edge off my reaction to their behavior.

    But who wants to be in the same room with a lunatic? Seeing a spiteful crazy person get their just desserts is satisfying only up to a point. In the end, you want your own peace of mind.

  149. @Tiny Duck
    Any party that relies on whites has no future

    That's why the Democratic Party picking a Black Muslim for head of the DNC ensures huge gains for the next election cycle

    Replies: @Jack D, @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Because nothing gives people that peaceful feeling inside again more than a black Muslim

  150. @The Millennial Falcon
    @syonredux

    "SJWs don't really care about Asians."

    In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps.”

    Filipino average household income in The U.S is higher than that of Hispanics and African Americans.

    The Southeast Asian groups in The U.S who are mostly known for disproportionate poverty are Hmongs, Laotians, and Cambodians, not Filipinos.

    There is a suburb San Francisco called Daly City which is 35 percent Filipino. It is solidly middle class suburbia just like you see in John Hughes films, the only difference is it’s not as White. It doesn’t look like a 3rd World ghetto where all of the houses have bars on their windows, people smoking weed and drinking 40s all day on the front porch, and graffiti everywhere. Filipinos living in nice looking homes with well maintained front lawns, most of them have jobs and are not on welfare.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    Filipinos are doing pretty well in LA. The local Catholic high school in the middle of the Valley was always the lowest prestige Catholic HS, but then a new principal about 15 years ago went hard after all the Filipino kids who live nearby because their parents work at a big hospital. Nurses are well-paid these days and can often afford Catholic high school tuition for their kids. That Filipino-intensive recruitment strategy has been a big success for the school, even on the football field.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @The Millennial Falcon
    @Jefferson

    Whoops. I probably got the graph from class flipped in my head. For whatever reason I remembered the Hmongs as overachieving and Filipinos as underachieving.

    Thanks!

    , @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    Filipinos in America tend to do well but not great - nurses, not doctors. Not a lot of Filipino billionaires on the Forbes 400 - I think the Snapchat guy is a hapa.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  151. @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny, One of the best features of Steve's blog is that we can click on your name and read all of your previous comments and oh so wrong predictions. "Huge gains' from what demographic; black Muslims? Start an other group, Black Muslims Matter.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

    Like this one on November 8:

    Not looking good for you guys at all!

    Prediction: Clinton 308, Trump 230. National vote Clinton +4

    When Clinton wins I’m wondering what lame excuses we’ll hear from the Republican Party at the end of the week for Chump’s loss.

    1. Voter Fraud?

    2. Wasn’t conservative enough?

    Whatever the excuse, I’m sure it will be eye rolling hilarious.

    Yeah, what was the excuse Clinton used for her loss to the Chump? It’s been changing.

  152. @Light Roast
    OT - Rejoice, Sailerites!

    Look at who is tapped to be our nation's chief prosecutor:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html?_r=0

    In addition, see how the new and improved unbiased New York Times waited 4 whole paragraphs before attacking Sessions.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    light, Thanks for the heads up, but I won’t click on a NYT or WaPo link. My personal boycott.

  153. @Old fogey
    @PiltdownMan

    Even a cursory survey of our higher education system in recent times leads one to suspect that our elites are educated to be morons.

    Anyone questioning this statement should Google John Paul Gatto.

    Replies: @guest

    The kind of education Gatto writes about, so far as I’ve seen, is intended for the lower to middle classes, or proles if you will (in the 1984 sense, not in the sense of workers). Our elites theoretically ought to be able to bypass the systematic dumbing down.

  154. @guest
    @Jack D

    Adlai Stevenson was like Trump by that measure, since he wasn't a Republican either. The thing about Eisenhower is he was the Establishment's boy that year. Taft, although nicknamed "Mr. Republican," was more the outsider. That's the significance of Trump: not that he wasn't really a Republican but that he's anti-Establishment.

    Eisenhower beating out Taft wouldn't be like Egg McMuffin beating Trump, exactly, but Ike was the Egg NcMuffin of that primary.

    Sorry, Eisenhower's rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway? He must've leaped over a hundred senior officers. The history books damn sure won't tell you.

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Millennial Falcon, @Buffalo Joe

    Sorry, Eisenhower’s rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway?

    Excellent staff-officer. The kind of man that you need to run a huge coalition (USA, UK, Canada, etc) in wartime.

    Also a very cunning operator. Nixon (an excellent judge of such things) frequently talked about Ike’s complex and devious mind.

    • Replies: @guest
    @syonredux

    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it's because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn't even a Magic Negro. That doesn't happen on merit, in my experience.

    Replies: @syonredux

  155. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Trump will win reelection in a Reagan-Mondale style landslide, just by being sane. All he has to do is be sane for four years, and none of the crazy bullshit the media weakened him with will stick.

    After that, the Dems will be chastened enough not to run another identitarian. They might even run a Jim Webb-style centrist, and you can’t be unhappy about that.

    But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he’ll win.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "After that, the Dems will be chastened enough not to run another identitarian. They might even run a Jim Webb-style centrist, and you can’t be unhappy about that."

    Jim Webb or someone like him would never make it pass the Democratic primaries. He would definitely lose all of the Southern states where Black voters make up the majority of those who vote in the Democratic primaries. Bernie Sanders lost all of the Southern states and that hurt him big time.

    Jim Webb or someone like him would also lose states like New York and California in the Democratic primaries because many White Democrats there would feel uneasy about voting for a candidate who does not promote Nonwhite identity politics. Bernie Sanders lost California and New York and it hurt him big time.

    Economic message of uplifting the working class does not really resonate with White Democrats in California and New York. These people only care about being Social Justice Warriors for Illegal Immigrants, Muslims, and Black Lies Matter.

    So right off the bat a Jim Webb type Democrat already loses the coastal states and the entire South in the Democratic primaries to whoever is running as the identity politics candidate.

    , @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he’ll win."

    Keith Ellison will be 65 years old in 2028, he will be a senior citizen. He can not run as the youth candidate like JFK did, but he still has the Black & Muslim card and that trumps the youth card by a landslide, so he does not have to worry about not enough voters under the age of 30 coming out to vote for him. The majority of voters under the age of 30 are Social Justice Warriors who want to be a part of history and help elect America's first practicing Muslim president. The fact that he would be the second Black U.S president would just be icing on their Social Justice Warrior cake.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  156. @Jefferson
    @The Millennial Falcon

    "In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps."

    Filipino average household income in The U.S is higher than that of Hispanics and African Americans.

    The Southeast Asian groups in The U.S who are mostly known for disproportionate poverty are Hmongs, Laotians, and Cambodians, not Filipinos.

    There is a suburb San Francisco called Daly City which is 35 percent Filipino. It is solidly middle class suburbia just like you see in John Hughes films, the only difference is it's not as White. It doesn't look like a 3rd World ghetto where all of the houses have bars on their windows, people smoking weed and drinking 40s all day on the front porch, and graffiti everywhere. Filipinos living in nice looking homes with well maintained front lawns, most of them have jobs and are not on welfare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Millennial Falcon, @Jack D

    Filipinos are doing pretty well in LA. The local Catholic high school in the middle of the Valley was always the lowest prestige Catholic HS, but then a new principal about 15 years ago went hard after all the Filipino kids who live nearby because their parents work at a big hospital. Nurses are well-paid these days and can often afford Catholic high school tuition for their kids. That Filipino-intensive recruitment strategy has been a big success for the school, even on the football field.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Filipino immigration to the U.S. seems to be roughly where Indian immigration was a few decades ago, in the sense that we're still getting a lot of the Filipino smart fraction. Lots of nurses and some physicians too around here. But, like India, the relative poverty of the Philippines suggests diminishing returns lay ahead.

    As Joel Klein said in his infamous essay, we've already gotten there with Indians. For some reason, I went to a Burger King yesterday. The drive-through girl was a surly Indian immigrant.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  157. @The most deplorable one
    As someone pointed out on GAB recently, if I was heavily invested in electric cars, alternative energy, necromancy, etc, I would get out of those positions quickly.

    I think Trump is going to stop wasting money on stupid climate change bullshit and it just so happens that large amounts of high quality oil deposits have been found in Texas of all places.

    The US is now swiming in oil.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Buffalo Joe

    Most Deplorable One, Tesla and Solarcity just merged, a marriage of two money hemorrhaging green companies. I just read ( WSJ?) that Elon Musk has received 4.9 billion in government subsidies. He is building the world’s largest solar panel factory at the Riverbend site in Buffalo. Andrew Cuomo fronted Elon Musk about 900 million to build the plant on NY state property. Musk promised to employ 500 workers at this factory and 1500 state wide. The project and it’s construction are now under investigation and warrants and arrests for bid rigging and quid pro quo deals have been served. The only sure thing is that NY state taxpayers are out at least 900 million. Oh, and Cuomo is shopping his name around for a 2020 presidential bid.

  158. I notice when Left Wing outlets like ABC’s The View and MSNBC hire the token Republican to join the sea of Democrats, they overwhelmingly hire Never Trump Republicans.

    The token Republican on MSNBC Nicolle Wallace is a Never Trumper. The token Republican on ABC’s The View Jedediah Bila is a Never Trumper.

    These pathetic Never Trump Republicans will kiss Left Wing ass in order to be invited to the Liberal cocktail parties in Los Angeles and New York City. These Never Trump Republicans do not feel comfortable hanging out with the Flyover Country Whites and most of them do not even pretend they do, they make their contempt extremely obvious they don’the even bother to hide it. At least George W. Bush pretended that he felt comfortable hanging out with The Duck Dynasty, rodeo bull riding, country music, Branson Missouri, Dollywood, and NASCAR demographic.

  159. @Jefferson
    @The Millennial Falcon

    "In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps."

    Filipino average household income in The U.S is higher than that of Hispanics and African Americans.

    The Southeast Asian groups in The U.S who are mostly known for disproportionate poverty are Hmongs, Laotians, and Cambodians, not Filipinos.

    There is a suburb San Francisco called Daly City which is 35 percent Filipino. It is solidly middle class suburbia just like you see in John Hughes films, the only difference is it's not as White. It doesn't look like a 3rd World ghetto where all of the houses have bars on their windows, people smoking weed and drinking 40s all day on the front porch, and graffiti everywhere. Filipinos living in nice looking homes with well maintained front lawns, most of them have jobs and are not on welfare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Millennial Falcon, @Jack D

    Whoops. I probably got the graph from class flipped in my head. For whatever reason I remembered the Hmongs as overachieving and Filipinos as underachieving.

    Thanks!

  160. @guest
    @Jack D

    Adlai Stevenson was like Trump by that measure, since he wasn't a Republican either. The thing about Eisenhower is he was the Establishment's boy that year. Taft, although nicknamed "Mr. Republican," was more the outsider. That's the significance of Trump: not that he wasn't really a Republican but that he's anti-Establishment.

    Eisenhower beating out Taft wouldn't be like Egg McMuffin beating Trump, exactly, but Ike was the Egg NcMuffin of that primary.

    Sorry, Eisenhower's rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway? He must've leaped over a hundred senior officers. The history books damn sure won't tell you.

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Millennial Falcon, @Buffalo Joe

    The Establishment was less toxic in those days.

    • Replies: @guest
    @The Millennial Falcon

    Very true. But it was still wrong.

  161. @syonredux
    @guest


    Sorry, Eisenhower’s rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway?
     
    Excellent staff-officer. The kind of man that you need to run a huge coalition (USA, UK, Canada, etc) in wartime.

    Also a very cunning operator. Nixon (an excellent judge of such things) frequently talked about Ike's complex and devious mind.

    Replies: @guest

    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it’s because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn’t even a Magic Negro. That doesn’t happen on merit, in my experience.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @guest


    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it’s because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.
     
    Perhaps. If so, they miscalculated. Eisenhower was too clever to be an errand boy.Plus, he was the last President who really understood (and controlled) the military:

    "God help this country when someone sits in this chair who doesn't know the military as well as I do"

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn’t even a Magic Negro. That doesn’t happen on merit, in my experience.
     
    WW2.A differnt environment. Fighting on that scale tends to prioritize merit.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @guest

  162. @The Millennial Falcon
    @guest

    The Establishment was less toxic in those days.

    Replies: @guest

    Very true. But it was still wrong.

  163. @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "PS the Jewish lobby will make sure that Ellison doesn’t get the job."

    Keith Ellison will get the job because he is backed by extremely powerful Jews in Washington DC like Chuck Schumer, Al Franken, and Bernie Sanders. The majority of American Jews do not believe Muslims and Blacks are capable of being anti-Semites, that is why your people easily forgave Jesse Jackson and did not blacklist him for life from the mainstream media.

    Most of your people believe only White Christians are capable of being anti-Semites.

    If the Muslim Keith Ellison ran for POTUS against Donald Trump in 2020, Keith would still win around 70 percent of the Jewish vote. 70 percent of your people see themselves in Muslim people.

    I remember there was a poll citing that said the majority of American Jews hold a more favorable opinion of Muslims than they do of Christians.

    American Jews love of Muslims remind me of American Mulattos love for the deadbeat Black fathers who abandon them. The love is a one way street because the love is never reciprocated back.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jefferson, Does Franken have any clout in the Senate?

  164. @guest
    @Jack D

    Adlai Stevenson was like Trump by that measure, since he wasn't a Republican either. The thing about Eisenhower is he was the Establishment's boy that year. Taft, although nicknamed "Mr. Republican," was more the outsider. That's the significance of Trump: not that he wasn't really a Republican but that he's anti-Establishment.

    Eisenhower beating out Taft wouldn't be like Egg McMuffin beating Trump, exactly, but Ike was the Egg NcMuffin of that primary.

    Sorry, Eisenhower's rise irks me, though he ended up governing pretty well, though. How do you figure he got to be Supreme Allied Commander, anyway? He must've leaped over a hundred senior officers. The history books damn sure won't tell you.

    Replies: @syonredux, @The Millennial Falcon, @Buffalo Joe

    Guest, The most amazing thing about Ike was that he had never been in combat. He was an astute judge of men and was not afraid to fire those who strayed from the game plan. Ike was the CEO of the battle field, not the warrior general., attention to detail and planning were his strong suit.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Buffalo Joe

    That's what he did when he got there. He was a politician and PR general, as well as a manager-general. But how did he get there? That's the part people paper over, as much as the paper over how he won the Republican nomination.

  165. @Anon
    Trump will win reelection in a Reagan-Mondale style landslide, just by being sane. All he has to do is be sane for four years, and none of the crazy bullshit the media weakened him with will stick.

    After that, the Dems will be chastened enough not to run another identitarian. They might even run a Jim Webb-style centrist, and you can't be unhappy about that.

    But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he'll win.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “After that, the Dems will be chastened enough not to run another identitarian. They might even run a Jim Webb-style centrist, and you can’t be unhappy about that.”

    Jim Webb or someone like him would never make it pass the Democratic primaries. He would definitely lose all of the Southern states where Black voters make up the majority of those who vote in the Democratic primaries. Bernie Sanders lost all of the Southern states and that hurt him big time.

    Jim Webb or someone like him would also lose states like New York and California in the Democratic primaries because many White Democrats there would feel uneasy about voting for a candidate who does not promote Nonwhite identity politics. Bernie Sanders lost California and New York and it hurt him big time.

    Economic message of uplifting the working class does not really resonate with White Democrats in California and New York. These people only care about being Social Justice Warriors for Illegal Immigrants, Muslims, and Black Lies Matter.

    So right off the bat a Jim Webb type Democrat already loses the coastal states and the entire South in the Democratic primaries to whoever is running as the identity politics candidate.

  166. @Zachary Latif
    America is black or white (the native Americans were constantly assimilating on the spectrum).

    Just as ethnic whites (German, Irish & Italian) eventually just became white; a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    It'd be interesting to see how many Irish-Americans care about the old country anymore?

    Trump can be a mix of Teddy Roosevelt (patriotism, national identity, foreign policy) and Franklin (infrastructure, New Deal type etc)..

    Replies: @gregor, @Chrisnonymous, @Jefferson, @Reg Cæsar

    …a Trump administration needs to try and do the same thing with Hispanics & Asians, to integrate towards a Euro-American cultural matrix.

    We were doing that just fine from 1924 to 1965, when we were choosier about which Asians and Hispanics we let into the country.

    (Actually, the only Hispanics affected by the 1965 act were those in Spain, but enforcement of both work visas and public charge laws have the same effect as quotas.)

  167. @guest
    @syonredux

    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it's because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn't even a Magic Negro. That doesn't happen on merit, in my experience.

    Replies: @syonredux

    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it’s because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.

    Perhaps. If so, they miscalculated. Eisenhower was too clever to be an errand boy.Plus, he was the last President who really understood (and controlled) the military:

    “God help this country when someone sits in this chair who doesn’t know the military as well as I do”

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn’t even a Magic Negro. That doesn’t happen on merit, in my experience.

    WW2.A differnt environment. Fighting on that scale tends to prioritize merit.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower also warned about the military-industrial complex over 50 years ago.

    , @guest
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower took command in early '42. He didn't earn it in combat. What merit did he demonstrate? Butt-kissin'?

  168. Only about 55 percent of Hillary Clinton’s voters were white. That dynamic is not sustainable down the road or for other Republicans, some GOP operatives fret.

    Weird sentence.

  169. Republican operatives spent four years warning that the party needed to diversify — or risk a blowout at the ballot box.

    Donald Trump was that blowout they feared!

  170. @Anon
    Trump will win reelection in a Reagan-Mondale style landslide, just by being sane. All he has to do is be sane for four years, and none of the crazy bullshit the media weakened him with will stick.

    After that, the Dems will be chastened enough not to run another identitarian. They might even run a Jim Webb-style centrist, and you can't be unhappy about that.

    But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he'll win.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Jefferson

    “But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he’ll win.”

    Keith Ellison will be 65 years old in 2028, he will be a senior citizen. He can not run as the youth candidate like JFK did, but he still has the Black & Muslim card and that trumps the youth card by a landslide, so he does not have to worry about not enough voters under the age of 30 coming out to vote for him. The majority of voters under the age of 30 are Social Justice Warriors who want to be a part of history and help elect America’s first practicing Muslim president. The fact that he would be the second Black U.S president would just be icing on their Social Justice Warrior cake.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, Well, Bernie was 70 plus and he was the Pied Piper to the young and disenfranchised. No telling who the young will follow.

  171. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @SPMoore8

    "Visitors from other countries, particularly those having trouble incorporating different ethnic groups and faiths, are amazed that we manage to pull it off. Not perfectly, of course, but certainly better than any European or Asian nation today."

    I'd suspect that those visitors are far more curious about why we try.

    Homogeneous nations just work better. Why fight something so natural? What are we gaining by forcing various peoples together? Are we wealthier? No. Are our cities safer? No. Do we create a more trusting society? No.

    We're fighting the tide for no reason. Indeed, we're fighting the tide to make our lives worse. What a bunch of idiots we are.

    Historians will marvel at this time.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Historians may marvel, but the important thing is how radical it was for such an article to be published in the New York Times echo chamber. Thus, the top rated comment begins this way: “This article is insulting to people who are not cisgendered, heterosexual white men. Identity is not something which can be quietly set aside in pursuit of common goals ……”

    You can fill in the rest.

    If the Dems or the Liberals want to have any success in the future, they have to jettison identity and grievance politics.

  172. @Steve Sailer
    @Jefferson

    Filipinos are doing pretty well in LA. The local Catholic high school in the middle of the Valley was always the lowest prestige Catholic HS, but then a new principal about 15 years ago went hard after all the Filipino kids who live nearby because their parents work at a big hospital. Nurses are well-paid these days and can often afford Catholic high school tuition for their kids. That Filipino-intensive recruitment strategy has been a big success for the school, even on the football field.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Filipino immigration to the U.S. seems to be roughly where Indian immigration was a few decades ago, in the sense that we’re still getting a lot of the Filipino smart fraction. Lots of nurses and some physicians too around here. But, like India, the relative poverty of the Philippines suggests diminishing returns lay ahead.

    As Joel Klein said in his infamous essay, we’ve already gotten there with Indians. For some reason, I went to a Burger King yesterday. The drive-through girl was a surly Indian immigrant.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Dave Pinsen

    "As Joel Klein said in his infamous essay, we’ve already gotten there with Indians. For some reason, I went to a Burger King yesterday. The drive-through girl was a surly Indian immigrant."

    The only time I see Indians working at a fast food restaurant is when they are the manager bossing around the Hispanics.

  173. @Jefferson
    @The Millennial Falcon

    "In my American Studies class a few years back, they schooled us on the model minority myth. If you drill down on Asian you can find some underachieving/oppressed sub-categories like Filipinos and add them to the Coalition. We also spent several weeks on the Japanese internment camps."

    Filipino average household income in The U.S is higher than that of Hispanics and African Americans.

    The Southeast Asian groups in The U.S who are mostly known for disproportionate poverty are Hmongs, Laotians, and Cambodians, not Filipinos.

    There is a suburb San Francisco called Daly City which is 35 percent Filipino. It is solidly middle class suburbia just like you see in John Hughes films, the only difference is it's not as White. It doesn't look like a 3rd World ghetto where all of the houses have bars on their windows, people smoking weed and drinking 40s all day on the front porch, and graffiti everywhere. Filipinos living in nice looking homes with well maintained front lawns, most of them have jobs and are not on welfare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @The Millennial Falcon, @Jack D

    Filipinos in America tend to do well but not great – nurses, not doctors. Not a lot of Filipino billionaires on the Forbes 400 – I think the Snapchat guy is a hapa.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "Filipinos in America tend to do well but not great – nurses, not doctors. Not a lot of Filipino billionaires on the Forbes 400 – I think the Snapchat guy is a hapa."

    The Forbes 400 is not always a great indicator of how well an ethnic group is doing in The U.S. Anglo Saxon Protestants are underrepresented on the Forbes 400 richest Americans list compared to their share of The U.S population, but it doesn't mean WASPs on average are an underclass ethnic group.

    Average Filipino American household is $76,455 a year , is not exactly chopped liver.

    Filipinos in The U.S punch well above their weight.

  174. @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    Filipinos in America tend to do well but not great - nurses, not doctors. Not a lot of Filipino billionaires on the Forbes 400 - I think the Snapchat guy is a hapa.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Filipinos in America tend to do well but not great – nurses, not doctors. Not a lot of Filipino billionaires on the Forbes 400 – I think the Snapchat guy is a hapa.”

    The Forbes 400 is not always a great indicator of how well an ethnic group is doing in The U.S. Anglo Saxon Protestants are underrepresented on the Forbes 400 richest Americans list compared to their share of The U.S population, but it doesn’t mean WASPs on average are an underclass ethnic group.

    Average Filipino American household is $76,455 a year , is not exactly chopped liver.

    Filipinos in The U.S punch well above their weight.

  175. @syonredux
    @guest


    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it’s because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.
     
    Perhaps. If so, they miscalculated. Eisenhower was too clever to be an errand boy.Plus, he was the last President who really understood (and controlled) the military:

    "God help this country when someone sits in this chair who doesn't know the military as well as I do"

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn’t even a Magic Negro. That doesn’t happen on merit, in my experience.
     
    WW2.A differnt environment. Fighting on that scale tends to prioritize merit.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @guest

    Eisenhower also warned about the military-industrial complex over 50 years ago.

  176. @Dave Pinsen
    @Steve Sailer

    Filipino immigration to the U.S. seems to be roughly where Indian immigration was a few decades ago, in the sense that we're still getting a lot of the Filipino smart fraction. Lots of nurses and some physicians too around here. But, like India, the relative poverty of the Philippines suggests diminishing returns lay ahead.

    As Joel Klein said in his infamous essay, we've already gotten there with Indians. For some reason, I went to a Burger King yesterday. The drive-through girl was a surly Indian immigrant.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “As Joel Klein said in his infamous essay, we’ve already gotten there with Indians. For some reason, I went to a Burger King yesterday. The drive-through girl was a surly Indian immigrant.”

    The only time I see Indians working at a fast food restaurant is when they are the manager bossing around the Hispanics.

  177. @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "But in say 2028 the demographics will be such that the Dems will be able to run someone like Keith Ellison and he’ll win."

    Keith Ellison will be 65 years old in 2028, he will be a senior citizen. He can not run as the youth candidate like JFK did, but he still has the Black & Muslim card and that trumps the youth card by a landslide, so he does not have to worry about not enough voters under the age of 30 coming out to vote for him. The majority of voters under the age of 30 are Social Justice Warriors who want to be a part of history and help elect America's first practicing Muslim president. The fact that he would be the second Black U.S president would just be icing on their Social Justice Warrior cake.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jefferson, Well, Bernie was 70 plus and he was the Pied Piper to the young and disenfranchised. No telling who the young will follow.

  178. @Anonymous
    This is a great article that explains my thinking with the gop. The gop is going to split into a socially liberal and economically conservative wing and a socially conservative and economically liberal wing.

    I was looking at some poll data and basically, whites making over 200k are shifting blue, with mitt Romney ahead of Obama by 28 points versus Trump only leading by one percent. Much of the old GOP like George Bush have turned over to the democrats. Likewise, the South is becoming solid again, this time for a rather liberal populist, not for a conservative. I think it's only a matter of time before unions start courting with Republicans , considering how Republicans hate free trade nowadays and considering how Michigan went red this time. And don't forget, a trump infrastructure bill that looks like the new deal is getting passed very soon.

    And it seems awfully like the Republicans want voter supression

    At the same time, Obama was rather conservative, especially in his health care plan, which had ideas moderate republicans came up with in the 1990s and Mitt Romney himself passed in Massachusetts. During the 2016 debate when trump basically said, "no one is going to be left to die" and attacked ted Cruz's standard Republican answer to obamacare. And let's not start with the tpp.

    Over the next couple of years, the Republican party will become the lower class white party while democrats become the new party of the wealthy and white collar workers.

    Replies: @Bill, @jack o'fire

    C’mon really? Obamacare was ONLY a pump and dump scheme for those who understood what it really was.

  179. @Chrisnonymous
    @Light Roast

    I would preferred to see Sessions in a different position, and I would not prefer to see Giuliani in a different position than AG. Ergo, I would have preferred Giuliani.

    I think maybe AG is not a good fit for people who are strongly socially conservative (cf, Ashcroft).

    For fun, Trump should have nominated James Comey as AG.

    Replies: @jack o'fire

    Ashcroft? Like I was discussing with my wife tonight about that time when he covered up the partially nude statues so there were no distractions… what a doofus.

  180. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, our chief weapon is surprise.

    I have a feeling the welcome mat is coming in for all sorts of minorities. ALL SORTS.

  181. Suggested Hispanic outreach:

    -oppose free trade deals (blue collar whites dislike them, blue collar Hispanics aren’t keen either)

    -increase regulation of the financial sector (Hispanics got badly stung in 2008 so they should probably warm to this one)

    -hire lots of legal Hispanics to help build the border wall

    Unfortunately for the donors, this means going back to the prudent, economic compromise policies of the Nixon years, so they are probably non-starters.

  182. @ic1000
    @bomag

    Ms. Gluek's article has the hallmarks of a Current-Year Story Matched To The Narrative, as described by Michael Cieply last week.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @CrunchybutRealistCon

    The voices of PeakNeoconnery, with a hint of death rattle. Was hoping for old times sake that they would canvas all the Bushies including Ken Mehlman, Ana Navarro, Linda Chavez, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Gerson and Karl Rove. Their most egregious crime was amplifying the Liberal meme that immigration controls & standards are beyond the realm of polite discussion, just a deranged fascist obsession. The possibility of creating a harmonious republic with Citizenism & assimilation at its heart was set back for a generation with their glib conniving. Time for another immigration time out, but that won’t be enough as long as colleges keep churning out weaponized SJWs.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    We need to do something about the colleges. Now that Republicans control the entire federal govt and many state houses, it's the perfect time to crack down. The federal education department needs to be shut down, ending all these ridiculous mandates related to Title IX.

    State governments need to base their funding on colleges encouraging intellectual diversity, including conservatism. And ending women's studies and ethnic studies programs. It's time to crack down.

  183. @Honorary Thief
    @415 reasons


    Don’t they see the irony in bitching and moaning like this when TRUMP DID BETTER MINORITIES THAN ROMNEY. Doesn’t that prove that 1) this fretting about certain policy positions being totally toxic to diverse-American voters is overblown and 2) the only way to actually win elections is to go after enough votes that you might actually win?
     
    Yep. Trump's improvement over Romney is also attributable to the self-respect issue: Hispanics and blacks were probably put off by Romney's mewling ass-kissing and respected Trump's non-pandering.

    Replies: @415 reasons

    Regardless of the reason for it, Trump’s result proves that the establishment was wrong about the toxicity of the policies with minority voters. It’s impossible to know how Trumps message would have done in the 2012 election against Obama. But it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trumps message resonated with enough rust belt voters to win the election and if he did pay some theoretical cost amongst minorities relative to what he theoretically would have gotten with pro-immigration positions it was not enough to effect the outcome of the election.

  184. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The banking mafia profit from an over supply labor and they pay the media, DNC and GOPe to shill for them.

    However the over supply of labor is the problem and combined with the incoming automation wave will end in favela America.


    But counting on winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote is not a strategy for long-term success in the new America
     
    Then change the number and composition of the popular vote to one that suits the Old America.

    #

    Trump should add a farming MIT to his To Do list - one that focuses on teching up low productivity farming e.g. fruit orchards, so they employ fewer, better paid robot wranglers and don't need cheap labor.

    Replies: @res, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Jack D, @anon

    res, bomag

    yes

    #

    sintoin,

    didn’t know that

    #

    Jack D

    yes a lot of agriculture is high tech now. the problem is regions like California where cheap labor is imported to do the low paid, low productivity farm work and then the workers skip to the cities after a while for better opportunities.

    that cycle is what trashed California and will trash the rest if it’s not stopped but the fruit growers themselves don’t have the resources to develop the high tech solution.

    (that olive grove pic is exactly the kind of thing i mean)

  185. @Almost Missouri
    @Lurker

    I've said it before. I'll say it again.

    Our elites are remarkably stupid.

    Dem, Repub, Green, Libtard, etc. They really are educated morons.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @BB753, @Bill, @Marcus, @anon

    They’re not stupid they’re corrupt traitors.

    The banking mafia make a lot of money from banking mafia economics and the banking mafia are the big party donors.

  186. @The most deplorable one
    CA Democrats are ready for war:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/california-s-democrats-are-ready-for-political-war

    I sure hope they haven't engaged in any corruption while in office, because God Emperor Trump is going unleash the FBI on corrupt politicians ... those CA democrats might want to assume a low profile for a while or assume the position.

    In fact, if I was Tiny D*ck I would be worried about the FBI paying me a visit.

    Replies: @anon

    cool – herd all the illegals to California

  187. @Joe Schmoe
    @Diversity Heretic


    There are a number of things that could be done to depress the black and Hispanic vote, including rigorous voter identification laws and making the registration process more difficult (end “motor voter”).
     
    I am not even sure it is necessary to depress the black and hispanic vote to get decent governance. I am pretty sure that land owning male voters aged 21 and older will vote for better policies than unmarried women of any race.

    Sadly, women are the problem. Married men are the most responsible citizens, single moms the least.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Agreed–women (especially single women) are a colossal electoral problem and the 19th Amendment may be the most significant triumph of the Progressive Era. But I admit I have no idea how to shift the Overton Window on the issue of women’s suffrage.

  188. @Amasius
    I'm so sick of these pukes blithely crowing about "muh changing demographics." Ann Coulter said it best:

    “My favorite network for humor is MSNBC. They’re always sneering, demographics are changing. No this isn’t a natural process,” Coulter said. “It’s like you’re being raped and the guy is telling you ‘my penis is in you.’ No, you’re raping me. Demographics are changing by force. There is nothing natural about it.”

    Replies: @NickG

    Christopher Hitchens was correct about women generally not being funny. But, like every rule, there are exceptions and Ann Coulter is a glorious one. And she’s not even a 4×2 or a dyke.

  189. As long as a significant number of whites vote against their own interest, the continued existence of the US is problematic.

  190. @415 reasons
    @SFG

    I personally doubt the demographics shift is going to abate much. Surely, it's possible Trumps policies might cause some Hispanics to go home and others not to come. But even if all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow, it seems like the difference in birth rates would inexorably lead to a more diverse America. Our only hope is that American pop culture is so effective that younger Hispanic and other immigrant groups quickly catch up to their brain dead white Millenial counterparts in becoming disinterested in saving money and having children. Perhaps the most hopeful future for our country is brain dead coastal milleniaals of all races sitting together on a couch eating Cheetos and watching the Kardashians while in the hinterland a silent minority goes about the business of propagating another generation of Americans.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    But even if all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow, it seems like the difference in birth rates would inexorably lead to a more diverse America.

    If all the illegals were magically gone tomorrow you’d still have legal immigration so you’d still be doomed. And if the illegals get deported the elites will ramp up the pressure for massive increases in legal immigration.

    Legal immigration is worse than illegal immigration.

  191. @Mike P.
    You would think that this election would serve at the very least as another data point in favor of the thesis 'Hispanics do not vote based on immigration policy.' They vote Democratic due mainly to economics. Why not assume that a more "nationalist" line would win over poor voters of all races?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You would think that this election would serve at the very least as another data point in favor of the thesis ‘Hispanics do not vote based on immigration policy.’ They vote Democratic due mainly to economics. Why not assume that a more “nationalist” line would win over poor voters of all races?

    The policies that would help less affluent whites would help less affluent Hispanics and blacks. If the GOP reinvented itself as an Old Left party it would be electorally unbeatable. You know, the Old Left, that used to believe in economic justice, not transexual bathroom rights and homosexual marriage. The GOP as a party of the Old Left could in fact finally achieve the party’s most cherished ambition – winning the black vote away from the Dems. And they could keep the white working class vote as well. All they have to do is keep hammering away at the idea that the Democratic Party is the Billionaire Party.

    The Democrats have reinvented themselves as the party of the far right. The party of the rich. The only future for the Republicans is to move well to the left of the Democrats.

    Black don’t vote for the Democrats because they love the Democrats – they vote for them because it’s in their economic self-interest. That could be changed. Blacks are smarter than whites – they’ll vote ruthlessly for their own interests. And voting for the Billionaire Party is not in their interests.

    The objection to all this is – how could the Republicans afford to pursue policies that actually help ordinary people? The answer is very simple. Cut defence spending to a level that actually reflects America’s defence requirements. That would be about half the current level.

  192. @Buffalo Joe
    @guest

    Guest, The most amazing thing about Ike was that he had never been in combat. He was an astute judge of men and was not afraid to fire those who strayed from the game plan. Ike was the CEO of the battle field, not the warrior general., attention to detail and planning were his strong suit.

    Replies: @guest

    That’s what he did when he got there. He was a politician and PR general, as well as a manager-general. But how did he get there? That’s the part people paper over, as much as the paper over how he won the Republican nomination.

  193. @syonredux
    @guest


    That sounds plausible, but dollars to doughnuts says it’s because he was scooped up to be an errand boy for Deep State/Establishment forces.
     
    Perhaps. If so, they miscalculated. Eisenhower was too clever to be an errand boy.Plus, he was the last President who really understood (and controlled) the military:

    "God help this country when someone sits in this chair who doesn't know the military as well as I do"

    Devious as he was, Nixon had to claw his way up rung by rung. Eisenhower flew over several rungs, and he wasn’t even a Magic Negro. That doesn’t happen on merit, in my experience.
     
    WW2.A differnt environment. Fighting on that scale tends to prioritize merit.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @guest

    Eisenhower took command in early ’42. He didn’t earn it in combat. What merit did he demonstrate? Butt-kissin’?

  194. Yes the GOP always learns the wrong lesson, whatever that would be. If we have comprehensive immigration reform, we can finally get rid of racism by eliminating those outdated White things like food, clean water, an economic base and of course laws. Look at Haiti or Detroit, after eliminating White racism they have finally gone back to The Stone Age. Nothing says future like The Stone Age. This Global Village is like the ancient ruins of the Aztecs or the Ford Auto Company, without the hope of recovery and more cannibalism. Its hard to believe more people wouldn’t support these kinds of progressive policies. Just think of how great the environment would be with gangs of homosexual mutants driving hot rods over unarmed helpless women. Why that’s the kind of fair and equitable world that would really appreciate an Angry White Male with a dog and a gun right there donchaknow?

  195. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @ic1000

    The voices of PeakNeoconnery, with a hint of death rattle. Was hoping for old times sake that they would canvas all the Bushies including Ken Mehlman, Ana Navarro, Linda Chavez, Alberto Gonzales, Michael Gerson and Karl Rove. Their most egregious crime was amplifying the Liberal meme that immigration controls & standards are beyond the realm of polite discussion, just a deranged fascist obsession. The possibility of creating a harmonious republic with Citizenism & assimilation at its heart was set back for a generation with their glib conniving. Time for another immigration time out, but that won't be enough as long as colleges keep churning out weaponized SJWs.

    Replies: @Marty T

    We need to do something about the colleges. Now that Republicans control the entire federal govt and many state houses, it’s the perfect time to crack down. The federal education department needs to be shut down, ending all these ridiculous mandates related to Title IX.

    State governments need to base their funding on colleges encouraging intellectual diversity, including conservatism. And ending women’s studies and ethnic studies programs. It’s time to crack down.

  196. @Steve Sailer
    @Maj. Kong

    Perhaps an FCC regulation mandating that Univision put English subtitles on all their shows?

    Replies: @Romanian

    Do you really want English speakers to start absorbing cultural values from Univision, whether they are Latino or not?

    This is called soft power!

    How do you think the latest degeneracies spread from the US to us? Through media, most often subtitled or translated.

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