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Ventura County, to the northwest of Los Angeles, has allowed public golf courses to reopen (subject to a number of common-sense changes to keep golfers from touching common objects), and they are jammed.

For example, on Sunday, May 3 (two weekends from now) at Rustic Canyon, there are no tee times available until 4:10 pm in the afternoon. Golf courses in giant Los Angeles County remain shut under the Anti-Good Clean Fun policy, so L.A. golfers are flocking to Ventura County to play.

So in contrast to movie theaters, which are likely to remain for some time without much business no matter what local government officials do (e.g., movie theaters in Sweden are dead in the water despite no government closure), golf courses are an optimistic example of how fast some economic activities can get back in gear.

Golf courses, being outdoors and extravagantly spacious, strike consumers and businesses as less worrisome than movie theaters, which are indoors and, ideally, crowded with laughing people. Moreover, movie theaters are dependent upon movie studios releasing and promoting new movies to attract fans, which studios aren’t currently doing because so many theaters are closed and fans aren’t going much to the ones that are open.

In contrast, golf courses don’t depend on third parties.

 
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  1. My husband and I would be divorced by now it not for golf courses being open.

  2. My husband and I would be divorced by now if not for golf courses being open. I like solitude; he is not a guy who appreciates nature and solitude. I knew that when we got married; but the nature-lovin guys both American and Scandos, were so messed up. Oh well, I am Lagertha, hahahhahahahaaaaa

  3. New York has allowed them to open, along with marinas.

  4. In other words, rich people activities get special exceptions middle class activities don’t.

    I’m sorry Steve, I respect you, and I know you love golf, but fuck the golfers and fuck golf.

    Actual question: are hiking trails and parks in the same county open? If so, then its more fair to the poor and middle class. If not, this is just the 1%ers getting privileged.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.
    , @Jpilot77
    Golf is not an exclusively rich person sport. Being a member of a high end country club is. But playing a round at a public course can be quite cheap. Depending on if you want to walk or not you can play a round for less than $30. A set off used clubs for a couple hundred bucks and you’re ready to go.
    , @Boomer the Dog
    I have yet to play a round of golf at Rustic Canyon with someone I wouldn’t describe as “middle class.”
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm not understanding the complaint. This is an excellent wedge issue in any city, county, or state. If you get get golf courses open, hiking and tennis courts will follow in rapid succession. It actually doesn't even matter if the golf course is private or public. It will force change.
  5. Riverside and Orange counties have also reopened their golf courses this week. I live in Los Angeles County and I’m still puzzled why they have not allowed golf courses to open up. Granted our rate of infections and death are the highest in the state but tiny as a proportion of our population. Eric Garcetti is the de facto leader of LA County when it comes to COVID-19 the County government seems one step behind him I am sure once he opens up LA City golf courses the County will follow but it really is annoying and stupid why they remain closed.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    When playing tennis you are approximately 78 feet away from your opponent. But apparently that's not enough social distance for LA, which has closed down the courts.

    https://www.sportsfeelgoodstories.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/tennis-court-dimenstions.jpg
  6. @R.G. Camara
    In other words, rich people activities get special exceptions middle class activities don't.

    I'm sorry Steve, I respect you, and I know you love golf, but fuck the golfers and fuck golf.

    Actual question: are hiking trails and parks in the same county open? If so, then its more fair to the poor and middle class. If not, this is just the 1%ers getting privileged.

    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There’s a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    UV rays and salt water destroy bacteria and viruses....for FUCKS SAKE!
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    But, Steve, It's pretty hairy in there. That's Corona's point.

    Corona don't surf!
    , @R.G. Camara
    That makes it a bit better. With it being California and mid-spring, I expect many of the poor and middle class are benefiting from that. I withdraw my worst venom, but I still take umbrage at duffers pushing so hard to get bank on the links ahead of more pressing concerns.
    , @anon
    Beaches are open in Ventura County.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgMaQy66oCw
    , @Lagertha
    you know I was gonna go for simple and easter egg stuff - we both love our sons! I hope you and your wife are fine, and , that your for boys are fine. Please, please is there ever i can do for you or your family - I have room in my heart!

    I will always have room for the hearts of young people.

  7. @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    UV rays and salt water destroy bacteria and viruses….for FUCKS SAKE!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...for F 🇫🇮S SAKE!
     
    I think yhdynnän vuoksi would have sufficed.
  8. There’s no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there? Sigh … none of this is gonna change the fact that golf sucks… but, knock yourself out, Steve! (When you can get a T-time, that is.)

    Let me know when they re-open the discotheques.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    Golf courses are closed in MA, although it has been between 15 and 20 degrees below normal with lots of wind and rain most of April, so not many would be out, anyway. Al Gore could not be reached for comment. Governor Charlie “Tall Deval” Baker (RINO-MA) just closed the schools for the rest of the year, so we can continue our fake online teaching, while our pupils can continue their fake online learning.
    Had a zoom cocktail hour with my Wednesday night hockey group- mostly academics and old hippies- they’ve all gone batbleep crazy- if it were up to them they keep the place shuttered until the end of 2021.
    Meanwhile my son in Hangzhou, China tells me things are getting back to normal- he played hockey the other night, and went out to a restaurant.

    Please governor, let me play golf. I promise not to call you “Tall Deval” or listen to Howie Carr anymore.
    , @Polynikes

    There’s no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there?
     
    This is the more interesting point. There's no logical reason golf courses or state parks should be closed. And yet here we are with government entities very slowly rolling back their mistakes. For example, in Wisconsin you still can't golf until tomorrow (Fri.).

    Being outside in the sun and getting exercised should be encouraged. Yet governments everywhere are loathe to admit they are wrong--actually, they never will--and will hold up these false pretenses as they slowly give back people their freedoms.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Let me know when they re-open the discotheques."

    September 15, 1978.
  9. I wonder how many of these golfers are going to get infected and end up infecting other people.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    I’m going to predict zero to none, particularly if you don’t share a cart or shake another guy’s hand. I cannot believe all the paranoid Patties believing they’ll catch coronavirus while out walking or running and passing within three feet of another person in moving air. How many cases were traced back to the March 8th LA Marathon again?
    , @Redneck farmer
    Not many, if any. UV radiation kills germs.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    It should be okay as long as the caddies sterilize the flagpoles each time they are removed from the hole. but I wonder if that could be some infection risk attached to wearing those gloves with no fingers.
  10. @R.G. Camara
    In other words, rich people activities get special exceptions middle class activities don't.

    I'm sorry Steve, I respect you, and I know you love golf, but fuck the golfers and fuck golf.

    Actual question: are hiking trails and parks in the same county open? If so, then its more fair to the poor and middle class. If not, this is just the 1%ers getting privileged.

    Golf is not an exclusively rich person sport. Being a member of a high end country club is. But playing a round at a public course can be quite cheap. Depending on if you want to walk or not you can play a round for less than $30. A set off used clubs for a couple hundred bucks and you’re ready to go.

  11. @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    But, Steve, It’s pretty hairy in there. That’s Corona’s point.

    Corona don’t surf!

  12. @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    That makes it a bit better. With it being California and mid-spring, I expect many of the poor and middle class are benefiting from that. I withdraw my worst venom, but I still take umbrage at duffers pushing so hard to get bank on the links ahead of more pressing concerns.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Is surfing really a poor- or middle-class sport? Your original point has not yet been deflected.
  13. @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    Beaches are open in Ventura County.

  14. @R.G. Camara
    In other words, rich people activities get special exceptions middle class activities don't.

    I'm sorry Steve, I respect you, and I know you love golf, but fuck the golfers and fuck golf.

    Actual question: are hiking trails and parks in the same county open? If so, then its more fair to the poor and middle class. If not, this is just the 1%ers getting privileged.

    I have yet to play a round of golf at Rustic Canyon with someone I wouldn’t describe as “middle class.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Rustic Canyon is $44 Monday-Thursday and $69 on weekends.

    It has a certain amount of golf architecture cognoscenti cachet (it's the closest thing in SoCal to St. Andrews), but that's a small fraction of golfers that doesn't translate well into higher rates. It doesn't have any waterfalls, or even lakes, so it strikes most golfers as nothing special.

  15. As a public service announcement, if you are over 75 and/or have other medical issues that make you At Risk, please take it from me – a noted non Quarantinist that you should Remain In Quarantine, or at least wear an N95 mask.

    The next few weeks are going to be more dangerous for you than the past few have been.

    Weather, time and other factors are working in your favor but the increased amount of human interavtion by all of the newly-minted quarantine-skeptics and those who think, “it’s over”, will cause the virus to spread.

    Furthermore you will naturally let your guard down. With the news media returning to its pre-panic 24/7 Bad Drumpf programming and more people overassuming the initial errors of The Panickers, you are more likely to face social pressire to meet people and you may kiss your grandkids.

    Do not do so.

    Again, stay quarantined for 3 more weeks please.

    And just as you should have mistrusted The Panic in the past, you should mistrust The anti-Panic today.

    If you are from that small percentage of the population that should have seriously self quarantined with your carers at the start of March, then you should do so with even more seriousness until the Ides of May.

    • Agree: epebble
    • Replies: @76239
    Go back to hiding under the bed. This plandemic is ova!
  16. @Boomer the Dog
    I have yet to play a round of golf at Rustic Canyon with someone I wouldn’t describe as “middle class.”

    Rustic Canyon is $44 Monday-Thursday and $69 on weekends.

    It has a certain amount of golf architecture cognoscenti cachet (it’s the closest thing in SoCal to St. Andrews), but that’s a small fraction of golfers that doesn’t translate well into higher rates. It doesn’t have any waterfalls, or even lakes, so it strikes most golfers as nothing special.

    • Replies: @Boomer the Dog
    And it’s just far enough from urban Los Angeles that those who do appreciate its greatness are almost always guaranteed to get on (without the threat of the 6-hour rounds that plague city courses like Rancho Park).
  17. @Steve Sailer
    Rustic Canyon is $44 Monday-Thursday and $69 on weekends.

    It has a certain amount of golf architecture cognoscenti cachet (it's the closest thing in SoCal to St. Andrews), but that's a small fraction of golfers that doesn't translate well into higher rates. It doesn't have any waterfalls, or even lakes, so it strikes most golfers as nothing special.

    And it’s just far enough from urban Los Angeles that those who do appreciate its greatness are almost always guaranteed to get on (without the threat of the 6-hour rounds that plague city courses like Rancho Park).

  18. Mayor of Las Vegas offers her city as the ‘control case’ but not everyone agrees.

    https://apnews.com/5f4217c95f853b89638220d294e5eedf

    Need to find the vid with Anderson Cooper, it’s pretty good.

  19. @R.G. Camara
    In other words, rich people activities get special exceptions middle class activities don't.

    I'm sorry Steve, I respect you, and I know you love golf, but fuck the golfers and fuck golf.

    Actual question: are hiking trails and parks in the same county open? If so, then its more fair to the poor and middle class. If not, this is just the 1%ers getting privileged.

    I’m not understanding the complaint. This is an excellent wedge issue in any city, county, or state. If you get get golf courses open, hiking and tennis courts will follow in rapid succession. It actually doesn’t even matter if the golf course is private or public. It will force change.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    One would hope but it’s infuriating and ridiculous the parks and trails and some beaches/beach parking/beach paths remain closed.
  20. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember the lesbo Michican attorney general, Dana Nessel?

    I just can’t hear about one more black health care worker, police officer or bus driver die while getting a barrage of complaints from white folks outraged because they can’t go golfing.

    Apparently the “golf course ban” was a social construction. Golf courses as businesses had to close, and people out and about have to practice social distancing, but if you walk onto a Michigan golf course, don’t expect a cart, and keep six feet away from other trespassers, you can golf.

    “I’ve played a couple of days, and other than my wife, never come within a distance of people, don’t touch anything. So it’s just like I was taking a walk so I really don’t see any issues with it,” said one man who was out playing golf on Monday.

    Attorney General Dana Nessel says you can golf as long as you practice social distancing.

    https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Confusion-over-golfing-during-stay-at-home-order-569792841.html

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    “I’ve played a couple of days, and other than my wife, never come within a distance of people,
     
    Most golfers rarely come within six feet of their wives.
  21. Plague or no plague, I think more people should take up bocce.

    Most of the same rewards as golf, but without the expense, the hassle and the snob appeal….

    It’s Zen, it’s slow, it’s sociable, it makes minimal athletic demands but still requires judgment and skill, you get to play it outdoors in a park but you can stay in one place. And if you’re discreet about it, you can probably drink in public without getting hassled by the police, provided you only drink red wine, poured from a skin into very small water glasses.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    It's Italian.
    Who has horrible Covid-19 outcomes?
    Italians.
    DO YOU WANT TO KILL US ALL?!?!?!
  22. @Steve Sailer
    Beaches are open in Ventura County. There's a sharp divide at the county line at Leo Carillo, with lots of surfers just over the border in Ventura County.

    you know I was gonna go for simple and easter egg stuff – we both love our sons! I hope you and your wife are fine, and , that your for boys are fine. Please, please is there ever i can do for you or your family – I have room in my heart!

    I will always have room for the hearts of young people.

  23. @Joe Walker
    I wonder how many of these golfers are going to get infected and end up infecting other people.

    I’m going to predict zero to none, particularly if you don’t share a cart or shake another guy’s hand. I cannot believe all the paranoid Patties believing they’ll catch coronavirus while out walking or running and passing within three feet of another person in moving air. How many cases were traced back to the March 8th LA Marathon again?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Good point, my wife served as a minor volunteer in the LA Marathon on March 8th, it did not prove to be a disaster. A week or two later it might have been, but in early March it wasn't.
  24. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm not understanding the complaint. This is an excellent wedge issue in any city, county, or state. If you get get golf courses open, hiking and tennis courts will follow in rapid succession. It actually doesn't even matter if the golf course is private or public. It will force change.

    One would hope but it’s infuriating and ridiculous the parks and trails and some beaches/beach parking/beach paths remain closed.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    One would hope but it’s infuriating and ridiculous the parks and trails and some beaches/beach parking/beach paths remain closed.
     
    Yes, it is ridiculous. Insane public policy. (But compared to mass immigration?)

    Ever heard of civil disobedience?

    Take some bolt cutters along and go out hiking.
  25. @Joe Walker
    I wonder how many of these golfers are going to get infected and end up infecting other people.

    Not many, if any. UV radiation kills germs.

  26. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Plague or no plague, I think more people should take up bocce.

    Most of the same rewards as golf, but without the expense, the hassle and the snob appeal....

    It's Zen, it's slow, it's sociable, it makes minimal athletic demands but still requires judgment and skill, you get to play it outdoors in a park but you can stay in one place. And if you're discreet about it, you can probably drink in public without getting hassled by the police, provided you only drink red wine, poured from a skin into very small water glasses.

    It’s Italian.
    Who has horrible Covid-19 outcomes?
    Italians.
    DO YOU WANT TO KILL US ALL?!?!?!

    • LOL: Polynikes
  27. @AnonAnon
    I’m going to predict zero to none, particularly if you don’t share a cart or shake another guy’s hand. I cannot believe all the paranoid Patties believing they’ll catch coronavirus while out walking or running and passing within three feet of another person in moving air. How many cases were traced back to the March 8th LA Marathon again?

    Good point, my wife served as a minor volunteer in the LA Marathon on March 8th, it did not prove to be a disaster. A week or two later it might have been, but in early March it wasn’t.

  28. Illinois golf is closed, for no good reason. Indiana had public golf closed, private never closed. Iowa is open. Wisconsin opens today.

    Weather has been bad and I only skipped one invite to Indiana. I am dying to go.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Weather has been bad...
     
    What happened to the global warming we were promised?

    Illinois golf is closed, for no good reason. Indiana had public golf closed, private never closed. Iowa is open. Wisconsin opens today.
     
    Here's a cryptic notice from Bois des Sioux:

    It’s finally time to get out and play! We will open the golf course (front nine only) on Saturday @ noon. Golf carts will be allowed. Putting green will be open. Golf shop hours this spring will be 9-6.
    Course beers, snacks and bottled pop will be available with the help of a golf shop employee. The patio and grill will be closed.

     

    Why only the front nine? Because they are in North Dakota*, and the back nine in Minnesota, which is still locked down.

    (Are decisions to open made by the county in California? That would make more sense.)


    Opening Aroostook Valley might be a bit more complicated:


    A few hundred metres south of the Pedersen property in New Brunswick lies the Aroostook Valley Country Club, a golf course that did wonders for American duffers during Prohibition. They could play 18 holes and enjoy a beer (or two or three), then head back to the liquor-free U.S.

    These days, the holes and clubhouse are in Canada, while the pro shop and parking lot are on the American side of the line. Both countries used to have a border station nearby for members to check in at, but the U.S. closed its outpost, despite protest, and now requires Canadians to check in at the Ft. Fairfield, Maine, port of entry.

    Americans who come from the U.S. to golf don't have to report back to U.S. Customs on their return home, though, even though they've technically been hitting the links in Canada.

    One reason the U.S. is so strict here: in 2007, an American man was charged with buying drugs from a Canadian somewhere on the front nine, which he hid with his golf balls.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-border-wall-floated-by-scott-walker-would-be-logistical-nightmare-1.3210510


     

    *If you ever play this course, note that Wahpeton has a remarkable zoo for a town of about 10,000, also worth a visit.
  29. I’m so happy for all the old men who now get to play golf. In the meantime kids sit at home unable to participate in their outdoor sporting activities in the nicest time of the year.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    You say that, Mike, but back in the day, plenty of the high school kids played golf. It was mostly just a place to get high without anyone smelling it. Is that what this re-opening is all about? Steve, do you toke up a bit out there on the fairways? Is that the best only way to appreciate golf course architecture?
  30. I look forward to reading about a group of wild, rebellious golfers holding a rave at the XIX Hole.

  31. Is there a two-stroke penalty for coughing when an opponent is addressing the ball?

  32. @Anon
    Remember the lesbo Michican attorney general, Dana Nessel?

    I just can’t hear about one more black health care worker, police officer or bus driver die while getting a barrage of complaints from white folks outraged because they can’t go golfing.
     
    Apparently the "golf course ban" was a social construction. Golf courses as businesses had to close, and people out and about have to practice social distancing, but if you walk onto a Michigan golf course, don't expect a cart, and keep six feet away from other trespassers, you can golf.

    "I've played a couple of days, and other than my wife, never come within a distance of people, don't touch anything. So it's just like I was taking a walk so I really don't see any issues with it," said one man who was out playing golf on Monday.

    Attorney General Dana Nessel says you can golf as long as you practice social distancing.
     
    https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Confusion-over-golfing-during-stay-at-home-order-569792841.html

    “I’ve played a couple of days, and other than my wife, never come within a distance of people,

    Most golfers rarely come within six feet of their wives.

  33. Golf being largely a white man’s sport, how long before newspapers trumpet that women, children and minorities are disproportionately disadvantaged by open golf courses? At which point, some “wise” county official will dump tonnes of sand onto courses.

  34. We need a map of where golf courses are open and closed so we know where to draw the first boundary when we bust this frankenstein monstrosity of a country into pieces.

  35. @Achmed E. Newman
    There's no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there? Sigh ... none of this is gonna change the fact that golf sucks... but, knock yourself out, Steve! (When you can get a T-time, that is.)

    Let me know when they re-open the discotheques.

    Golf courses are closed in MA, although it has been between 15 and 20 degrees below normal with lots of wind and rain most of April, so not many would be out, anyway. Al Gore could not be reached for comment. Governor Charlie “Tall Deval” Baker (RINO-MA) just closed the schools for the rest of the year, so we can continue our fake online teaching, while our pupils can continue their fake online learning.
    Had a zoom cocktail hour with my Wednesday night hockey group- mostly academics and old hippies- they’ve all gone batbleep crazy- if it were up to them they keep the place shuttered until the end of 2021.
    Meanwhile my son in Hangzhou, China tells me things are getting back to normal- he played hockey the other night, and went out to a restaurant.

    Please governor, let me play golf. I promise not to call you “Tall Deval” or listen to Howie Carr anymore.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I had thought you lived in the Midwest, Mr. Ganderson. I don't know where I got that from though. Howie Carr/Mass, duh... Anyway if you have comments from observations by your son in China, I'd like to hear them sometime.
  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    There's no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there? Sigh ... none of this is gonna change the fact that golf sucks... but, knock yourself out, Steve! (When you can get a T-time, that is.)

    Let me know when they re-open the discotheques.

    There’s no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there?

    This is the more interesting point. There’s no logical reason golf courses or state parks should be closed. And yet here we are with government entities very slowly rolling back their mistakes. For example, in Wisconsin you still can’t golf until tomorrow (Fri.).

    Being outside in the sun and getting exercised should be encouraged. Yet governments everywhere are loathe to admit they are wrong–actually, they never will–and will hold up these false pretenses as they slowly give back people their freedoms.

  37. How can golf courses be open when black people are dying!

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  38. @AnonAnon
    One would hope but it’s infuriating and ridiculous the parks and trails and some beaches/beach parking/beach paths remain closed.

    One would hope but it’s infuriating and ridiculous the parks and trails and some beaches/beach parking/beach paths remain closed.

    Yes, it is ridiculous. Insane public policy. (But compared to mass immigration?)

    Ever heard of civil disobedience?

    Take some bolt cutters along and go out hiking.

  39. Going outside for fresh air and sun is good for your health. No clue why garden centers across the country are under siege by the Democrat governors.

    • Agree: AnonAnon
  40. Golf courses are not healthy places, and it has nothing to do with COVID-19, and everything to do with the cocktail of chemicals sprayed on golf courses to make them green.

    Research suggests that some chemicals used on golf courses may raise risks of lymphomas and other health problems. One study, published in 1996 in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, specifically addressed this concern. Researchers found that death rates attributable to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and to other cancers associated with the brain, large intestine and prostate were higher in a group of golf course superintendents compared to a group with similar characteristics who were not superintendents.

    “There have been study after study after study in different countries linking pesticide use and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma,” Richard van der Jagt, an oncologist at University of Ottawa at Ottawa Hospital, tells Nisker in the film. “I think there is enough data to say that it is very worrisome.”

    https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2019/06/son-nagged-by-golfing-dads-death-from-a-rare-cancer-were-pesticides-at-fault.html

  41. @Achmed E. Newman
    There's no reason they should have been closed to begin with, was there? Sigh ... none of this is gonna change the fact that golf sucks... but, knock yourself out, Steve! (When you can get a T-time, that is.)

    Let me know when they re-open the discotheques.

    “Let me know when they re-open the discotheques.”

    September 15, 1978.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm curious if that date has any specific meaning, SBS. Was it the release of Saturday Night Fever? My facetious post on this is called SHUT DOWN THE DISCOS!.
  42. @R.G. Camara
    That makes it a bit better. With it being California and mid-spring, I expect many of the poor and middle class are benefiting from that. I withdraw my worst venom, but I still take umbrage at duffers pushing so hard to get bank on the links ahead of more pressing concerns.

    Is surfing really a poor- or middle-class sport? Your original point has not yet been deflected.

  43. It’s never good news when golf courses are jammed. In fact that’s why I stopped playing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s never good news when golf courses are jammed. In fact that’s why I stopped playing.
     
    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/a0/45/13a04510fb67fd4016cfef7acc6b811e.png
  44. Ever heard of civil disobedience?

    I’m on it, Another Dad, I’m on it. I joined an Open California Facebook group yesterday and it’s up to 90,000 people now, gaining 2K new members after I signed off at 1 am this morning. My only problem is choosing which area protest to attend.

  45. Ventura County, to the northwest of Los Angeles, has allowed public golf courses to reopen

    Are there more alligator lizards in the air now?

  46. @moshe
    As a public service announcement, if you are over 75 and/or have other medical issues that make you At Risk, please take it from me - a noted non Quarantinist that you should Remain In Quarantine, or at least wear an N95 mask.

    The next few weeks are going to be more dangerous for you than the past few have been.

    Weather, time and other factors are working in your favor but the increased amount of human interavtion by all of the newly-minted quarantine-skeptics and those who think, "it's over", will cause the virus to spread.

    Furthermore you will naturally let your guard down. With the news media returning to its pre-panic 24/7 Bad Drumpf programming and more people overassuming the initial errors of The Panickers, you are more likely to face social pressire to meet people and you may kiss your grandkids.

    Do not do so.

    Again, stay quarantined for 3 more weeks please.

    And just as you should have mistrusted The Panic in the past, you should mistrust The anti-Panic today.

    If you are from that small percentage of the population that should have seriously self quarantined with your carers at the start of March, then you should do so with even more seriousness until the Ides of May.

    Go back to hiding under the bed. This plandemic is ova!

    • Replies: @moshe
    You monosyllabic idiot. I'm an anti-quarantiner who knows why. I neither know nor care what brand of fool you happen to be.
  47. @Bragadocious
    It's never good news when golf courses are jammed. In fact that's why I stopped playing.

    It’s never good news when golf courses are jammed. In fact that’s why I stopped playing.

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/08/29/too-crowded/

  48. @Lagertha
    UV rays and salt water destroy bacteria and viruses....for FUCKS SAKE!

    …for F 🇫🇮S SAKE!

    I think yhdynnän vuoksi would have sufficed.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    hahhahaaa...despite my daily walks in the woods, I losing my patience! I don't like watching all the hidden agendas and the competition; all the daily cruelty that is ripping the USA apart.

    Plus, I don't have a dog now; dogs (miss my Zois + 12 other critters) always kept me organized. Lastly, cursing is a nasty habit of mine from the ole' 80's NYC days/nights...maybe they are like, verbal tattoos? The f-word peppered most of my friend-group conversation. And, I know, it is totally uncouth to cuss, but these are uncouth times!
    , @Lagertha
    no Finnish kid actually says that (even Finns know their kids are super awkward), Sheesh Reg, you keep testing me and testing me!
  49. @Hodag
    Illinois golf is closed, for no good reason. Indiana had public golf closed, private never closed. Iowa is open. Wisconsin opens today.

    Weather has been bad and I only skipped one invite to Indiana. I am dying to go.

    Weather has been bad…

    What happened to the global warming we were promised?

    Illinois golf is closed, for no good reason. Indiana had public golf closed, private never closed. Iowa is open. Wisconsin opens today.

    Here’s a cryptic notice from Bois des Sioux:

    It’s finally time to get out and play! We will open the golf course (front nine only) on Saturday @ noon. Golf carts will be allowed. Putting green will be open. Golf shop hours this spring will be 9-6.
    Course beers, snacks and bottled pop will be available with the help of a golf shop employee. The patio and grill will be closed.

    Why only the front nine? Because they are in North Dakota*, and the back nine in Minnesota, which is still locked down.

    (Are decisions to open made by the county in California? That would make more sense.)

    Opening Aroostook Valley might be a bit more complicated:

    A few hundred metres south of the Pedersen property in New Brunswick lies the Aroostook Valley Country Club, a golf course that did wonders for American duffers during Prohibition. They could play 18 holes and enjoy a beer (or two or three), then head back to the liquor-free U.S.

    These days, the holes and clubhouse are in Canada, while the pro shop and parking lot are on the American side of the line. Both countries used to have a border station nearby for members to check in at, but the U.S. closed its outpost, despite protest, and now requires Canadians to check in at the Ft. Fairfield, Maine, port of entry.

    Americans who come from the U.S. to golf don’t have to report back to U.S. Customs on their return home, though, even though they’ve technically been hitting the links in Canada.

    One reason the U.S. is so strict here: in 2007, an American man was charged with buying drugs from a Canadian somewhere on the front nine, which he hid with his golf balls.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-border-wall-floated-by-scott-walker-would-be-logistical-nightmare-1.3210510

    *If you ever play this course, note that Wahpeton has a remarkable zoo for a town of about 10,000, also worth a visit.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    They haven’t changed the name of the course to Bois des Fighting Hawks?
  50. I do not think golf is a rich man’s game. It’s just a boring ass waste of time that I would never play.

  51. @Phil Philly
    Riverside and Orange counties have also reopened their golf courses this week. I live in Los Angeles County and I'm still puzzled why they have not allowed golf courses to open up. Granted our rate of infections and death are the highest in the state but tiny as a proportion of our population. Eric Garcetti is the de facto leader of LA County when it comes to COVID-19 the County government seems one step behind him I am sure once he opens up LA City golf courses the County will follow but it really is annoying and stupid why they remain closed.

    When playing tennis you are approximately 78 feet away from your opponent. But apparently that’s not enough social distance for LA, which has closed down the courts.

  52. @76239
    Go back to hiding under the bed. This plandemic is ova!

    You monosyllabic idiot. I’m an anti-quarantiner who knows why. I neither know nor care what brand of fool you happen to be.

  53. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Let me know when they re-open the discotheques."

    September 15, 1978.

    I’m curious if that date has any specific meaning, SBS. Was it the release of Saturday Night Fever? My facetious post on this is called SHUT DOWN THE DISCOS!.

  54. @Ganderson
    Golf courses are closed in MA, although it has been between 15 and 20 degrees below normal with lots of wind and rain most of April, so not many would be out, anyway. Al Gore could not be reached for comment. Governor Charlie “Tall Deval” Baker (RINO-MA) just closed the schools for the rest of the year, so we can continue our fake online teaching, while our pupils can continue their fake online learning.
    Had a zoom cocktail hour with my Wednesday night hockey group- mostly academics and old hippies- they’ve all gone batbleep crazy- if it were up to them they keep the place shuttered until the end of 2021.
    Meanwhile my son in Hangzhou, China tells me things are getting back to normal- he played hockey the other night, and went out to a restaurant.

    Please governor, let me play golf. I promise not to call you “Tall Deval” or listen to Howie Carr anymore.

    I had thought you lived in the Midwest, Mr. Ganderson. I don’t know where I got that from though. Howie Carr/Mass, duh… Anyway if you have comments from observations by your son in China, I’d like to hear them sometime.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    I grew up in MN, and go back often. Once a Minnesotan... The Class of 1988 left me, in their will, “an entire class period without mentioning the state of Minnesota”. With 6 weeks to go until retirement, I have yet to cash that chit in.
  55. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm so happy for all the old men who now get to play golf. In the meantime kids sit at home unable to participate in their outdoor sporting activities in the nicest time of the year.

    You say that, Mike, but back in the day, plenty of the high school kids played golf. It was mostly just a place to get high without anyone smelling it. Is that what this re-opening is all about? Steve, do you toke up a bit out there on the fairways? Is that the best only way to appreciate golf course architecture?

  56. @Reg Cæsar

    Weather has been bad...
     
    What happened to the global warming we were promised?

    Illinois golf is closed, for no good reason. Indiana had public golf closed, private never closed. Iowa is open. Wisconsin opens today.
     
    Here's a cryptic notice from Bois des Sioux:

    It’s finally time to get out and play! We will open the golf course (front nine only) on Saturday @ noon. Golf carts will be allowed. Putting green will be open. Golf shop hours this spring will be 9-6.
    Course beers, snacks and bottled pop will be available with the help of a golf shop employee. The patio and grill will be closed.

     

    Why only the front nine? Because they are in North Dakota*, and the back nine in Minnesota, which is still locked down.

    (Are decisions to open made by the county in California? That would make more sense.)


    Opening Aroostook Valley might be a bit more complicated:


    A few hundred metres south of the Pedersen property in New Brunswick lies the Aroostook Valley Country Club, a golf course that did wonders for American duffers during Prohibition. They could play 18 holes and enjoy a beer (or two or three), then head back to the liquor-free U.S.

    These days, the holes and clubhouse are in Canada, while the pro shop and parking lot are on the American side of the line. Both countries used to have a border station nearby for members to check in at, but the U.S. closed its outpost, despite protest, and now requires Canadians to check in at the Ft. Fairfield, Maine, port of entry.

    Americans who come from the U.S. to golf don't have to report back to U.S. Customs on their return home, though, even though they've technically been hitting the links in Canada.

    One reason the U.S. is so strict here: in 2007, an American man was charged with buying drugs from a Canadian somewhere on the front nine, which he hid with his golf balls.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-border-wall-floated-by-scott-walker-would-be-logistical-nightmare-1.3210510


     

    *If you ever play this course, note that Wahpeton has a remarkable zoo for a town of about 10,000, also worth a visit.

    They haven’t changed the name of the course to Bois des Fighting Hawks?

  57. @Achmed E. Newman
    I had thought you lived in the Midwest, Mr. Ganderson. I don't know where I got that from though. Howie Carr/Mass, duh... Anyway if you have comments from observations by your son in China, I'd like to hear them sometime.

    I grew up in MN, and go back often. Once a Minnesotan… The Class of 1988 left me, in their will, “an entire class period without mentioning the state of Minnesota”. With 6 weeks to go until retirement, I have yet to cash that chit in.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Heh! Thanks.
  58. @Ganderson
    I grew up in MN, and go back often. Once a Minnesotan... The Class of 1988 left me, in their will, “an entire class period without mentioning the state of Minnesota”. With 6 weeks to go until retirement, I have yet to cash that chit in.

    Heh! Thanks.

  59. @Reg Cæsar

    ...for F 🇫🇮S SAKE!
     
    I think yhdynnän vuoksi would have sufficed.

    hahhahaaa…despite my daily walks in the woods, I losing my patience! I don’t like watching all the hidden agendas and the competition; all the daily cruelty that is ripping the USA apart.

    Plus, I don’t have a dog now; dogs (miss my Zois + 12 other critters) always kept me organized. Lastly, cursing is a nasty habit of mine from the ole’ 80’s NYC days/nights…maybe they are like, verbal tattoos? The f-word peppered most of my friend-group conversation. And, I know, it is totally uncouth to cuss, but these are uncouth times!

  60. @Joe Walker
    I wonder how many of these golfers are going to get infected and end up infecting other people.

    It should be okay as long as the caddies sterilize the flagpoles each time they are removed from the hole. but I wonder if that could be some infection risk attached to wearing those gloves with no fingers.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's been okay to leave flagpoles in since 2019, and the USGA authorized on March 20 that you don't have to hole out putts. For example, the greenskeepers can put a styrofoam pool noodle in the hole and if your putt touches it, that counts as being holed.

    When the USGA is moving quicker than other institutions to adapt to the new situation, you have a problem.

  61. @Jonathan Mason
    It should be okay as long as the caddies sterilize the flagpoles each time they are removed from the hole. but I wonder if that could be some infection risk attached to wearing those gloves with no fingers.

    It’s been okay to leave flagpoles in since 2019, and the USGA authorized on March 20 that you don’t have to hole out putts. For example, the greenskeepers can put a styrofoam pool noodle in the hole and if your putt touches it, that counts as being holed.

    When the USGA is moving quicker than other institutions to adapt to the new situation, you have a problem.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Relax. I can tell you this: Golf will not go - too much money ( careers) and "thought" riding on it, internationally.

    Football, too. Who wants a totalitarian state without sports ????????!!!!! hahahhahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Watch: Secretariat; Invictus:
  62. @Reg Cæsar

    ...for F 🇫🇮S SAKE!
     
    I think yhdynnän vuoksi would have sufficed.

    no Finnish kid actually says that (even Finns know their kids are super awkward), Sheesh Reg, you keep testing me and testing me!

  63. @Steve Sailer
    It's been okay to leave flagpoles in since 2019, and the USGA authorized on March 20 that you don't have to hole out putts. For example, the greenskeepers can put a styrofoam pool noodle in the hole and if your putt touches it, that counts as being holed.

    When the USGA is moving quicker than other institutions to adapt to the new situation, you have a problem.

    Relax. I can tell you this: Golf will not go – too much money ( careers) and “thought” riding on it, internationally.

    Football, too. Who wants a totalitarian state without sports ????????!!!!! hahahhahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

    Watch: Secretariat; Invictus:

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