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For years I’ve been threatening to write a big article on the true history of country club discrimination in the first half of the 20th Century, and now I’ve finally done it in Taki’s Magazine:

For most of history, being a hereditary aristocrat was a good job. The only catch was the old concept of noblesse oblige, which suggested that people of wealth, power, and influence were honor bound to defend the general public.

Today, however, it’s more prestigious to be a victim of the majority. That seems to release you from any nagging worries about aristocratic responsibility.

Being an actual victim, though, is still no fun. So the best thing is to be recognized as a member of a hereditary victimocracy. …

One of the most popular varietals is to claim to be related to somebody who couldn’t get into an exclusive golf club (and thus had to found his own country club). …

It turns out that most of what we think we know is a retconning of American social history.

Contrary to mythos, as far as I can tell:

First, as early as 1925, a higher percentage of Jews than gentiles may have belonged to country clubs.

Second, Jewish country clubs were, on average, more luxurious and expensive than gentile clubs.

Third, a 1962 study by the Anti-Defamation League found that Jewish country clubs were more discriminatory than Christian clubs.

Fourth, historically, Jewish applicants were mostly blackballed for ethnic reasons by Jewish country clubs.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Reminds me of an interview I once read with the son of one of the Marx Brothers- presumably Arthur Marx?- in which the interviewer asked him if any of the other brothers used to visit him at home as a child. “No“, he said, “If they spent time together, it was always at the country club“- I would assume Hillcrest.

  2. caddyshtick

  3. Golf Nazis Must Die.

    The Shining? Ski Nazis Must Die?

    I wonder what Kafka would have made of golf. Imagine if The Castle was The Club.

    ‘I am king because I was not allowed to be duke.’

    Okay.

  4. A couple of White women are claiming that Bill Cosby raped them. I am surprised Steve Sailer has not made a blog about that.

    Also the Muslim group CAIR have officially joined the Gentle Giant bandwagon in Ferguson. They explained that as Muslims they can personally relate with African Americans when it comes to being racially profiled by law enforcement.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    re stodginess of WASP country clubs, one Saturday night this past July I took a shortcut through the San Francisco Golf Club. (#28 Muni bus has a stop right next to hole in fence). They were having a wingding, and were blasting KC & Sunshine Band’s “Get Down Tonight.” LMAO! I’d think a Jewish club might at least have updated to Fleetwood Mac or Journey. They got me back, though. The hole’s been fixed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    As a general rule, any country club named after the big city it is in (San Francisco Golf Club, Los Angeles CC, Chicago Golf Club, Detroit Country Club, etc.) will be gentile.
  6. @Anonymous
    re stodginess of WASP country clubs, one Saturday night this past July I took a shortcut through the San Francisco Golf Club. (#28 Muni bus has a stop right next to hole in fence). They were having a wingding, and were blasting KC & Sunshine Band's "Get Down Tonight." LMAO! I'd think a Jewish club might at least have updated to Fleetwood Mac or Journey. They got me back, though. The hole's been fixed.

    As a general rule, any country club named after the big city it is in (San Francisco Golf Club, Los Angeles CC, Chicago Golf Club, Detroit Country Club, etc.) will be gentile.

  7. On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I’ve never seen anything like it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape."

    Curious, what city was that in?
    , @dearieme
    "They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful."

    Isn't that another aspect of (the speculated) reasons for the Ashkenazi becoming so bright? Darwinianism can be harsh.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    There's a charity devoted to providing dignified burials to indigent Jews: http://www.hebrewfreeburial.org

    The whole idea of being buried in a plane pine box was to prevent a status war for funerals.
    , @Jack D
    I call bullsh*t on your source, who was probably a local anti-Semite. I've never heard of or seen anything like this in E. Europe.

    Last year, I visited my parents' home towns in Poland and Ukraine. In Poland, the Jewish cemetery was neglected and spooky, just as you describe, but all of it. There was no "nice" section - no one had maintained the cemetery since 1939. The Catholic cemeteries were well kept and filled with flowers, etc. (because the people in the cemetery still had relatives living nearby). The contrast was striking.

    Then I visited Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine which was part of Poland before the war, before Stalin decided he wanted a bite. Prewar there were (at least) three distinct communities in the town - Poles, Jews and Ukrainians. Now two of the three communities were gone. So the Polish cemetery in Ukraine looked as neglected as the Jewish cemeteries in Poland.

    But the biggest shock was the Jewish cemetery, which we couldn't find at first. So we found the oldest looking man we could find and asked him where it was. He pointed with his cane up to the top of a nearby hill so we hiked up there. At first we thought he was confused because we couldn't find a thing, just an empty field with some high tension towers. Then we came upon a broken gravestone with Hebrew letters, just one stone. Afterward we came down and asked another old person what happened to the Jewish cemetery. She explained that the local kolkhos (collective farm) had used all the grave stones to pave the cow barn after the war.
    , @David R. Merridale
    What city was that?
  8. In the 1960’s Warren Buffet made a big deal out of joining the Omaha Jewish country club, apparently to prove a point about the restrictive policies at his own club. The Jews didn’t really ask for his application, so they had to bend all their by-laws (such as manadatory donations to the synagogue) to let him in. But I wonder if that’s the whole story. Buffett named his son after Ben Graham, but Graham would not hire Buffett at his own firm. Buffett did eventually wear down the opposition, so Buffett had a history of this sort of thing. His daughter eventually married Allen Greenberg.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Buffett worked for Graham for 2 years before launching his own firm.
  9. Freedom of association.

  10. Ah, Taki’s. It would be my favorite website if it weren’t for all the Jew hatred. Sigh.

    I’ve never understood it. I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background — a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) In fact, the verb form “to jew” has, for as far back as I can remember, been used as a term of high approval rather than insult among my backwoods hillbilly kin.

    Heck, it was so widely used as a term of praise when I was growing up (“you really jewed him down on the price of that Camaro, hoss”) that it’s the only politically-incorrect term I have to actively force myself to avoid saying aloud. I’ve never felt the urge to use the “N-word,” but I’ve had to stop myself many, many times from praising someone for really “jewing” somebody else on a deal.

    • Replies: @Jeff Burton
    You are expressing my experience as well. My philo-semitism also came from being steeped in Dispensationalist American Protestantism. I remember the first time I experienced anti-semitism - a close high school friend harangued me with a semi-deranged rant about "them". It thought I was in "invasion of the body snatchers." I still find it genuinely weird.
    , @george
    "can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) "

    1st Klan 1865–1870s was a national liberation movement similar to the Taliban or the PLO. It likely had Jewish members or supporters.

    2nd Klan 1915-WWII was proto Zionist and meticulous about not offending Jews. Read the writtings of the main propagandist Alma Birdall White and Senator James Kimble Vardaman .

    The 3rd Klan after WWII was heavily infiltrated with informants and even government agents, so it is not clear what genuine sentiments were.

    Vardaman calls Henry Ford an ignorant anti semite
    http://www.hhtc.org/vw/b5/ford.html

    BTW, Vardaman was one of the last anti war true believers. It is not nice to think about it but the Klan was the only effective anti war movement in US history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Vardaman
  11. Nice article. I guess golf is more than a walk in the park after all.

    But the ending was uncanny to me:

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.

    I was thinking about exactly the same thing today on my walk back from the library after reading Pinker’s Blank Slate. In particular, the fact that the ghosts of the prophets and patriarchs could cause a lot of disturbances in minds like Firestone’s, and projecting that psychic angst onto the population at large could be problematic.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks. If you have any thoughts on the subject that I could steal, I'd enjoy hearing them.
  12. @Bill P
    Nice article. I guess golf is more than a walk in the park after all.

    But the ending was uncanny to me:

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.
     
    I was thinking about exactly the same thing today on my walk back from the library after reading Pinker's Blank Slate. In particular, the fact that the ghosts of the prophets and patriarchs could cause a lot of disturbances in minds like Firestone's, and projecting that psychic angst onto the population at large could be problematic.

    Thanks. If you have any thoughts on the subject that I could steal, I’d enjoy hearing them.

  13. @Buzz Mohawk
    On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I've never seen anything like it.

    “Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.”

    Curious, what city was that in?

  14. So you’ve proved… what, exactly? Jewish social-status hardships in a prior century were not really so bad, Q.E.D. golf courses? Seems every odd-numbered month you file a new Kinbotian brief in your marathon score-settling with this elderly radiologist or deli proprietor from La Brea you used to know, that is, till he passed away in the ’90s. Round the bend from the old lament the complaint’s morphed into their not controlling media/finance/foreign policy enough? Like– they’re shirkers now?

    As today’s most strenuous imitators of sweater-dork clubbability are less Louis B. Mayer than Liu Z. Mai-Yao I predict this ancient quarrel won’t figure prominently in the 2032 election assuming that one happens

  15. Indeed, this displacement process may be observed in many aspects of American social history, which has been repeatedly rewritten to foster Jewish solidarity by projecting blame for grievances held by one set of Jews against another onto the majority culture.

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.

    This widespread obsession with WASP country clubs as the locus of evil

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?

    Fourth, historically, Jewish applicants were mostly excluded for ethnic reasons by Jewish country clubs.

    This claim is belied by the survey from 1963 you found. About 52% of all US country clubs had no-jew policies. The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs."

    Sure, but Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe had no interest in joining the Podunk Country Club in East Podunk, Kansas, they wanted to join the Century Country Club in Westchester County.

    For example, billionaire Michael Bloomberg had to drop out of the Century Club when he ran for mayor of NYC because of the Century's discriminatory membership policies, but as soon as he was done being mayor he rejoined the Century early last March as soon as the winter snow started to melt from the fairways:

    http://pagesix.com/2014/03/03/michael-bloomberg-to-rejoin-the-century-country-club/
    , @syonredux

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.
     
    Steve does it better than KM.More nuance, less animus.

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?
     
    You must live in a very different America. Elite Jews talking about WASP country clubs discriminating against them is ubiquitous.Heck, even Curb Your Enthusiasm did an epsiode that was about Larry trying to get into a WASP club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAldSpMJSo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-tgHivx6s
    , @International Jew
    "Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document 'a widespread obsession.' Or as you later say 'surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.'"

    Lemme give you some context here. A few years back, Steve was wondering why so many Jews are drawn to anti-American, cultural Marxist causes. (Good question!) Well, he suggested that it goes back to resentment over grandpa getting blackballed at the gentile country club.
    Ha ha, I thought, that's funny, but of course Steve's just using a bit of hyperbole to make a point.

    Trouble is, that over time Steve has repeated that idea, and I guess repetition can have this effect on you, that you start to believe stuff, even if it makes little sense. Well, this article represents the further development of that idea, in Steve's head. And so having now made the entirely unsurprising discovery that Jews, like all people, sense distinctions of within-group social class and organize their social lives accordingly, Steve realized he has the perfect riposte to that (imagined) age-old Jewish grudge.

    So there you go; that's your context.

  16. @Buzz Mohawk
    On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I've never seen anything like it.

    “They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful.”

    Isn’t that another aspect of (the speculated) reasons for the Ashkenazi becoming so bright? Darwinianism can be harsh.

  17. “On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. ”

    LOL. I always find it funny when people refer to “Europe” like it was one country or culture.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    “On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. ”

    LOL. I always find it funny when people refer to “Europe” like it was one country or culture.
     

    Usually when I go to Europe I end up in several countries. Thery're quite small, you see, with silly little border guards in between. It's really rather annoying. I didn't think it necessary to give every little detail in a comment section, and I was feeling somewhat private about the matter.

    If you must know, I was in Romania, the Hungarian part known as Transylvania. Now that's a place that's been reamed by history and an idiotic clash of cultures. The contrasts are educational, just as they are in the two-part Jewish cemetery.

    That country is part of the European Union, but, as I'm sure you know, it's got a long way to go to be like those other golden stars in that circle. However, it is perfectly normal to refer to it as "Europe." as any old geography teacher will tell you.

  18. @Lot

    Indeed, this displacement process may be observed in many aspects of American social history, which has been repeatedly rewritten to foster Jewish solidarity by projecting blame for grievances held by one set of Jews against another onto the majority culture.

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.
     
    Kevin Macdonald's been there, done that.

    This widespread obsession with WASP country clubs as the locus of evil
     
    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn't much document "a widespread obsession." Or as you later say "surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation." What else you got?

    Fourth, historically, Jewish applicants were mostly excluded for ethnic reasons by Jewish country clubs.
     
    This claim is belied by the survey from 1963 you found. About 52% of all US country clubs had no-jew policies. The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs.

    “The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs.”

    Sure, but Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe had no interest in joining the Podunk Country Club in East Podunk, Kansas, they wanted to join the Century Country Club in Westchester County.

    For example, billionaire Michael Bloomberg had to drop out of the Century Club when he ran for mayor of NYC because of the Century’s discriminatory membership policies, but as soon as he was done being mayor he rejoined the Century early last March as soon as the winter snow started to melt from the fairways:

    http://pagesix.com/2014/03/03/michael-bloomberg-to-rejoin-the-century-country-club/

  19. I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I’m surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I had lunch once with the son of one of the top guys at Brentwood. His father and Bob Hope of Lakeside CC had teamed up to push through an initiative giving country clubs a tax break so they wouldn't have to pay property taxes on what the land would be worth as condos.

    The most amazing beneficiary of the law is the Los Angeles Country Club, which has 0.9 miles of frontage on both sides of Wilshire Boulevard between Beverly Hills and Westwood. The opportunity cost has to be in the billions upon billions.

    , @IBC

    I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I’m surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.
     
    Yes, in many cases they'd make beautiful urban parks, especially with their landscaping and water features. I wonder how much revenue of any form they actually bring in as golf courses? I'm not suggesting their elimination, but absent oil or the presence of rare earth minerals, golf courses would seem to be a better target for ethnic community activists and real estate developers than national parks. Maybe this issue will be used as a pressure point by future activists, especially if golf's active enthusiast base continues to decline.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Yglesias, is that you?
  20. @Anonymous
    I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I'm surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.

    I had lunch once with the son of one of the top guys at Brentwood. His father and Bob Hope of Lakeside CC had teamed up to push through an initiative giving country clubs a tax break so they wouldn’t have to pay property taxes on what the land would be worth as condos.

    The most amazing beneficiary of the law is the Los Angeles Country Club, which has 0.9 miles of frontage on both sides of Wilshire Boulevard between Beverly Hills and Westwood. The opportunity cost has to be in the billions upon billions.

  21. Hey, it’s that time of the year.

    Is Ron Rosenbaum sharpening his knife to cut up the white-turkey-meat Nazis?

    PS: You gotta admit, however, that American food culture has improved. The old commercials with white bread and plain bologna are gone.

  22. @Lot

    Indeed, this displacement process may be observed in many aspects of American social history, which has been repeatedly rewritten to foster Jewish solidarity by projecting blame for grievances held by one set of Jews against another onto the majority culture.

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.
     
    Kevin Macdonald's been there, done that.

    This widespread obsession with WASP country clubs as the locus of evil
     
    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn't much document "a widespread obsession." Or as you later say "surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation." What else you got?

    Fourth, historically, Jewish applicants were mostly excluded for ethnic reasons by Jewish country clubs.
     
    This claim is belied by the survey from 1963 you found. About 52% of all US country clubs had no-jew policies. The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs.

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.

    Steve does it better than KM.More nuance, less animus.

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?

    You must live in a very different America. Elite Jews talking about WASP country clubs discriminating against them is ubiquitous.Heck, even Curb Your Enthusiasm did an epsiode that was about Larry trying to get into a WASP club:

    ,

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    The Frankfurt '38 CC reference is vintage Sailer. Very nuanced, at least compared to that animal, McDonald.
    , @jimbo
    Not to mention that THE golf movie is all about the smart but bumptious jews talking over the country club from the stuffy old WASPs, and blowing up the greens for good measure...
    , @Steve Sailer
    That's a great clip of Larry David trying to get into LACC.

    A friend of mine tried but being a tech millionaire wasn't good enough for them. They said they mostly liked Century City lawyers.

    His reasoning for going for LACC was that it has a great course and an easier second course. And it's very clubby. They've restored the course recently and now it's off the charts great apparently.

    Riviera has a great course, but isn't very clubby since it's not owned by the members but by a corporation (Japanese). I think Larry David belongs there and in one episode he gets in trouble with the Japanese owner after killing a prize swan in a water hazard. The rap on Riviera is that anybody with enough money can join (although they did kick out OJ after he got acquitted).

    Bel Air you have to be in the entertainment industry.

    Brentwood and Hillcrest are Jewish.

    Wilshire has been restored so it might be pretty good these days. I was there for a wedding in the 1980s and the course looked pretty dull other than the 18th but apparently they've done a lot of good work on the course.
  23. @Mr. Blank
    Ah, Taki's. It would be my favorite website if it weren't for all the Jew hatred. Sigh.

    I've never understood it. I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background -- a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can't ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) In fact, the verb form "to jew" has, for as far back as I can remember, been used as a term of high approval rather than insult among my backwoods hillbilly kin.

    Heck, it was so widely used as a term of praise when I was growing up ("you really jewed him down on the price of that Camaro, hoss") that it's the only politically-incorrect term I have to actively force myself to avoid saying aloud. I've never felt the urge to use the "N-word," but I've had to stop myself many, many times from praising someone for really "jewing" somebody else on a deal.

    You are expressing my experience as well. My philo-semitism also came from being steeped in Dispensationalist American Protestantism. I remember the first time I experienced anti-semitism – a close high school friend harangued me with a semi-deranged rant about “them”. It thought I was in “invasion of the body snatchers.” I still find it genuinely weird.

    • Replies: @jimbo
    "It has to be carefully taught..."

    I grew up in a small New England town with like, two jews in it. Thought they were weird and a bit loud, but you chalk that up to individual personality. I didn't begin to even understand anti-semitism (let alone feel any myself) until I moved (briefly) to NYC. Turns out, they're all like that...
    , @iffen
    Jeff and Mr. Blank, could you give me a time stamp and general location for your experiences in the South? I'm thinking maybe I need to start paying attention to this body snatcher idea.
  24. @syonredux

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.
     
    Steve does it better than KM.More nuance, less animus.

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?
     
    You must live in a very different America. Elite Jews talking about WASP country clubs discriminating against them is ubiquitous.Heck, even Curb Your Enthusiasm did an epsiode that was about Larry trying to get into a WASP club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAldSpMJSo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-tgHivx6s

    The Frankfurt ’38 CC reference is vintage Sailer. Very nuanced, at least compared to that animal, McDonald.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Yeah, Peter de Jonge's attempt to liken his sneaking into Maidstone to his grandfather sneaking into the the Opera House in 1938 Germany is pretty funny:

    In Frankfurt in 1938, well after ARYAN ONLY signs went up at the Opera House, my fair-haired Jewish father, then 12, kept attending performances on his own. It wasn’t a protest. He did it because he felt like it and thought he could get away with it, and I’m playing Maidstone for about the same reason.
     
    From the Holocaust to the Golfocaust (hat-tip to Pizza with Hot Pepper).It really brings home the petty nature of Jewish grievances in America.I am, of course, assuming that the irony is intentional on de Jonge's part.
  25. For an up-to-the-minute case of discrimination, try this:

    Inspectors who visited Middle Rasen Primary School in Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, penalised the school for not being multicultural enough – despite 97 per cent of the town being white. Elsewhere, the small 104-pupil school had been highly praised in the report for its management and teaching, plus its well-behaved, courteous and enthusiastic pupils. But the report said the school, situated in the picturesque rural Middle English town, was graded as ‘good’ instead of ‘outstanding’ because pupils lacked ‘first-hand experience of the diverse make up of modern British society’. The majority of pupils are white British, with very few from ethnic backgrounds. No pupils speak English as an additional language.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2840796/Rural-school-denied-grade-Ofsted-inspectors-s-English-not-diverse-enough.html

  26. Your comment about the various levels of Jewish golf clubs applies in Detroit. Knollwood is the fancy one and Tam-O-Shanter is the middle class one.

    I was once in a meeting with a client at the office of a customer, trying to work out some issues. The customer was a Jewish family owned business, and the two principals were brothers that were great to deal with. One was funny, outgoing and in charge of sales. The other was funny, more reserved and in charge of operations. (Ironically, they had a pudgy Irish guy as their CFO). The discussion turned to a third party supplier that was also Jewish owned. The third party supplier was not budging on certain issues that were adversely affecting both my client and its customer.

    The reserved brother knew one of the principals at the intractable supplier. He said something to the effect of “That guy spends too much time at Knollwood showing off. I’m going to have to take him over to Tam-O-Shanter and teach him a lesson.”

    It was truly entertaining.

  27. So, where are the great Jewish golfers?

    Corey Pavin is the only one of note. And he converted to Christianity.
    Apparently Jews really don’t take CCs and golf very seriously.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Apparently Jews really don’t take CCs and golf very seriously."

    Among other country club sports, lots of great Jewish swimmers (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Tennis -- pretty good.

  28. @syonredux

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.
     
    Steve does it better than KM.More nuance, less animus.

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?
     
    You must live in a very different America. Elite Jews talking about WASP country clubs discriminating against them is ubiquitous.Heck, even Curb Your Enthusiasm did an epsiode that was about Larry trying to get into a WASP club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAldSpMJSo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-tgHivx6s

    Not to mention that THE golf movie is all about the smart but bumptious jews talking over the country club from the stuffy old WASPs, and blowing up the greens for good measure…

  29. @Jeff Burton
    You are expressing my experience as well. My philo-semitism also came from being steeped in Dispensationalist American Protestantism. I remember the first time I experienced anti-semitism - a close high school friend harangued me with a semi-deranged rant about "them". It thought I was in "invasion of the body snatchers." I still find it genuinely weird.

    “It has to be carefully taught…”

    I grew up in a small New England town with like, two jews in it. Thought they were weird and a bit loud, but you chalk that up to individual personality. I didn’t begin to even understand anti-semitism (let alone feel any myself) until I moved (briefly) to NYC. Turns out, they’re all like that…

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I grew up in a small New England town with like, two jews in it. Thought they were weird and a bit loud, but you chalk that up to individual personality. I didn’t begin to even understand anti-semitism (let alone feel any myself) until I moved (briefly) to NYC. Turns out, they’re all like that…
     
    I think that cultural geography plays an important role.I'm from California, and I must say that I find Jews in the Northeast (I currently live in the Boston area) to be much more abrasive than their CA co-ethnics (since my mother is Jewish, I grew up knowing quite a few Jews).Of course, for that matter, I find most people in the Northeast to be more abrasive than they are in California.
  30. @syonredux

    Kevin Macdonald’s been there, done that.
     
    Steve does it better than KM.More nuance, less animus.

    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.” Or as you later say “surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.” What else you got?
     
    You must live in a very different America. Elite Jews talking about WASP country clubs discriminating against them is ubiquitous.Heck, even Curb Your Enthusiasm did an epsiode that was about Larry trying to get into a WASP club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAldSpMJSo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-tgHivx6s

    That’s a great clip of Larry David trying to get into LACC.

    A friend of mine tried but being a tech millionaire wasn’t good enough for them. They said they mostly liked Century City lawyers.

    His reasoning for going for LACC was that it has a great course and an easier second course. And it’s very clubby. They’ve restored the course recently and now it’s off the charts great apparently.

    Riviera has a great course, but isn’t very clubby since it’s not owned by the members but by a corporation (Japanese). I think Larry David belongs there and in one episode he gets in trouble with the Japanese owner after killing a prize swan in a water hazard. The rap on Riviera is that anybody with enough money can join (although they did kick out OJ after he got acquitted).

    Bel Air you have to be in the entertainment industry.

    Brentwood and Hillcrest are Jewish.

    Wilshire has been restored so it might be pretty good these days. I was there for a wedding in the 1980s and the course looked pretty dull other than the 18th but apparently they’ve done a lot of good work on the course.

  31. @Hacienda
    So, where are the great Jewish golfers?

    Corey Pavin is the only one of note. And he converted to Christianity.
    Apparently Jews really don't take CCs and golf very seriously.

    “Apparently Jews really don’t take CCs and golf very seriously.”

    Among other country club sports, lots of great Jewish swimmers (e.g., Mark Spitz).

    Tennis — pretty good.

  32. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    Wasp snobbery and discriminatory policies against Jews(and other ethnic groups like Italians, as with Irish in the 19th century)were real. But Jews vastly exaggerate them, and make themselves out to be victims on par with blacks.
    It’s like the McCarthy era was far from worst violation of civil liberties(ever hear of anti-German policies in WWI and anti-Japanese policies during WWII) but Jews have it out to be the very worst because many commies under suspicion were Jews.

    While wasp club discrimination was real to some extent, Jews have turned it into mono-narrative shtick, the anti-waspite tropes of which are comparable to old antisemitism.

    In fact, there never was a single wasp community. If Jews were divided by culture–western Jews vs Eastern Jews–, wasps were divided by ideology, and many Lib wasps went out of their way to be self-critical and reformist and inclusive(esp to Jews). Also, Jews were more ‘partners-in-crime’ than ‘victims of oppression’ in relation to wasps. It’s like Israel was very chummy with apartheid south africa, and it’s so disingenuous of Isarelis to rewrite history to make themselves the best friends of Mandela.

    Also, a lot of this had to with sexuality. As Portnoy says, Jewish guys were nuts about wasp beaver. They wanted to bust the beaver dam to get some.
    Notice that all this golfocaust griping is from Jewish MEN. They wanted to get into the holes in golf and sex. If wasps were ugly, I don’t think Jews would have cared. There are surely black clubs, but do you see Jewish men hankering to join in? If anything, guys like Sterling want blacks to remain apart.

    Sterling moment: work for me but keep the distance.

    http://youtu.be/Csm54p0zL6k?t=11m25s

    Jewish women felt jilted by this, and this led them to feminism which was, in some ways, Jewish women fuming about Jewish men running off with prettier shikses for whom they felt jealousy.

  33. Great writing! And for once, a golf article I can actually enjoy (golf is not my cup of tea, sorry)! BTW; I find the term “golf Nazi” hilarious: did you coin it yourself, Steve? Or is it just a case of following the pattern: grammar Nazi, kitchen Nazi, etc?

  34. Having two Jewish country clubs was the case in both Cleveland and Cincinnati, although with the decline of country clubs, each city is down to one.

    Giving your your kids a good social milieu for in-group dating & marriage was definitely part of that, so it definitely makes sense that Jewish people would want their own clubs.

    One area that Jews didn’t establish elite institutions parallel to the WASPs is in primary & secondary education. In Cleveland there werethree boys and three girls “country day” private schools, founded and mostly attended by the old WASP elite. (Some are co-ed or merged today). The only Jewish private schools were specifically religious and NOT attended by wealthy Jewish children. in fact, the very wealthiest would send their kids to Hawken, which was WASP but open to Jewish enrollment at least since the 1950’s and maybe earlier.

    Instead, the pattern in the 20th century was for Jewish kids to attend one or more public schools in such numbers that it met their preferences in terms of academics, sports and socializing. Maybe a good future iSteve topic?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    When I was a kid in the San Fernando Valley, the Jewish kids felt it was un-American to go to parochial school instead of public school. Then along came busing. Now there are a lot of Reform and Conservative Jewish private schools in the Valley.
  35. Michael Jordan was white balled by three Jewish country clubs before he got acceptance into a whitey club.

  36. @Anonymous
    I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I'm surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.

    I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I’m surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.

    Yes, in many cases they’d make beautiful urban parks, especially with their landscaping and water features. I wonder how much revenue of any form they actually bring in as golf courses? I’m not suggesting their elimination, but absent oil or the presence of rare earth minerals, golf courses would seem to be a better target for ethnic community activists and real estate developers than national parks. Maybe this issue will be used as a pressure point by future activists, especially if golf’s active enthusiast base continues to decline.

  37. @Hacienda
    The Frankfurt '38 CC reference is vintage Sailer. Very nuanced, at least compared to that animal, McDonald.

    Yeah, Peter de Jonge’s attempt to liken his sneaking into Maidstone to his grandfather sneaking into the the Opera House in 1938 Germany is pretty funny:

    In Frankfurt in 1938, well after ARYAN ONLY signs went up at the Opera House, my fair-haired Jewish father, then 12, kept attending performances on his own. It wasn’t a protest. He did it because he felt like it and thought he could get away with it, and I’m playing Maidstone for about the same reason.

    From the Holocaust to the Golfocaust (hat-tip to Pizza with Hot Pepper).It really brings home the petty nature of Jewish grievances in America.I am, of course, assuming that the irony is intentional on de Jonge’s part.

  38. @jimbo
    "It has to be carefully taught..."

    I grew up in a small New England town with like, two jews in it. Thought they were weird and a bit loud, but you chalk that up to individual personality. I didn't begin to even understand anti-semitism (let alone feel any myself) until I moved (briefly) to NYC. Turns out, they're all like that...

    I grew up in a small New England town with like, two jews in it. Thought they were weird and a bit loud, but you chalk that up to individual personality. I didn’t begin to even understand anti-semitism (let alone feel any myself) until I moved (briefly) to NYC. Turns out, they’re all like that…

    I think that cultural geography plays an important role.I’m from California, and I must say that I find Jews in the Northeast (I currently live in the Boston area) to be much more abrasive than their CA co-ethnics (since my mother is Jewish, I grew up knowing quite a few Jews).Of course, for that matter, I find most people in the Northeast to be more abrasive than they are in California.

  39. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Steve, you are dangerously close to becoming labeled as a Holocaust Denier.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    "Steve, you are dangerously close to becoming labeled as a Holocaust Denier."

    More likely a Golfcourse Denier.
  40. The ancient golf-libel.

  41. @Hetman
    "On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. "

    LOL. I always find it funny when people refer to "Europe" like it was one country or culture.

    “On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. ”

    LOL. I always find it funny when people refer to “Europe” like it was one country or culture.

    Usually when I go to Europe I end up in several countries. Thery’re quite small, you see, with silly little border guards in between. It’s really rather annoying. I didn’t think it necessary to give every little detail in a comment section, and I was feeling somewhat private about the matter.

    If you must know, I was in Romania, the Hungarian part known as Transylvania. Now that’s a place that’s been reamed by history and an idiotic clash of cultures. The contrasts are educational, just as they are in the two-part Jewish cemetery.

    That country is part of the European Union, but, as I’m sure you know, it’s got a long way to go to be like those other golden stars in that circle. However, it is perfectly normal to refer to it as “Europe.” as any old geography teacher will tell you.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    There are hundreds of Jewish cemeteries in Eastern Europe that look like the one you described as a spooky Halloween scene. Those are the headstones of people whose descendants no longer live in the area, to fix things up. There were about nine million Jews in that area, in 1939. Now there are very few. Do you know why?

    The newer headstones are probably post-war, and since you say this was in Romania, their descendants likely don't live there either (though most of them left voluntarily in the 1960s when Romania let the Jews emigrate).

    Your local informants are full of sh1t. Maybe someday an idiot will see your neglected grave, and piss all over it--whether metaphorically, as you've done here, or literally. Have a nice day.

  42. There’s another aspect of the “exclusivity” you’ll seldom or never find in histories. It deals with Jewish families that were asked to become members of gentile clubs, and break the religious barrier, but who did not accept the offer.

    I have personal knowledge of two such families who, separately, in the late ’50s, were informally approached by a local country club. Both declined without giving a reason for doing so to the club but, privately to gentile friends, explained the following:

    If they were members their phones would never stop ringing with calls from other Jewish families wishing to be sponsored for membership. For community, practical, and business reasons they would be obligated to provide sponsorships. But with many of these other families — not all, but many — the prospective first members had no wish to congregate socially. So to save themselves that hassle, they declined. And the club remained exclusive for another few decades.

    It’s like the eternal problem of giving a party. Those you’re most happy to have attend arrive late and exit early. Those you are least excited to see, but are obligated to invite, arrive early and are the last to leave.

  43. @Chris Anderson
    Having two Jewish country clubs was the case in both Cleveland and Cincinnati, although with the decline of country clubs, each city is down to one.

    Giving your your kids a good social milieu for in-group dating & marriage was definitely part of that, so it definitely makes sense that Jewish people would want their own clubs.

    One area that Jews didn't establish elite institutions parallel to the WASPs is in primary & secondary education. In Cleveland there werethree boys and three girls "country day" private schools, founded and mostly attended by the old WASP elite. (Some are co-ed or merged today). The only Jewish private schools were specifically religious and NOT attended by wealthy Jewish children. in fact, the very wealthiest would send their kids to Hawken, which was WASP but open to Jewish enrollment at least since the 1950's and maybe earlier.

    Instead, the pattern in the 20th century was for Jewish kids to attend one or more public schools in such numbers that it met their preferences in terms of academics, sports and socializing. Maybe a good future iSteve topic?

    When I was a kid in the San Fernando Valley, the Jewish kids felt it was un-American to go to parochial school instead of public school. Then along came busing. Now there are a lot of Reform and Conservative Jewish private schools in the Valley.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    In a more enlightened country you can send your children to a school that is both Jewish and funded by the taxpayer. What could possibly go wrong?


    https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6425418
  44. I see on Google Maps that Hillcrest is right down the street from the Museum of Tolerance.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To the guy who wants to turn country clubs into condo farms:

    When Occupy began making noise, I always wondered whether they knew where the ultra-rich have their playgrounds. Take San Francisco. The Occunerds spent their time busting windows or otherwise defacing downtown banks, which just caused middle-class people to suffer more fees. But the people who run or control the shares of bank holding companies play golf at a very anonymous location on the city’s southwestern edge. Why didn’t Occupy show up on weekend mornings and disrupt the golf? Since the entrance is so narrow, would have been easy to block off the cops, too. Harder for news cameras though.

  46. @The most deplorable one
    Steve, you are dangerously close to becoming labeled as a Holocaust Denier.

    “Steve, you are dangerously close to becoming labeled as a Holocaust Denier.”

    More likely a Golfcourse Denier.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    When I was a kid in the San Fernando Valley, the Jewish kids felt it was un-American to go to parochial school instead of public school. Then along came busing. Now there are a lot of Reform and Conservative Jewish private schools in the Valley.

    In a more enlightened country you can send your children to a school that is both Jewish and funded by the taxpayer. What could possibly go wrong?

    https://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6425418

  48. Sure, I’d be happy to share an idea. Here’s the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn’t a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn’t fully developed, so we’re all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one’s religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as “our Father,” Mary “mother of God,” and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you’d do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods’ consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn’t unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed’s consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a “goddess” herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an “earth mother.” While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women’s embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it’s relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. “Patriarchy” became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent “society” from reaching its goal.

    That’s the germ of the idea.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    So Christianity, especially Catholicism, had all sorts of honored role models for women who weren't cut out for marriage and motherhood. Joan of Arc being the most amazing example.

    So, the baby boom ends in 1964, not everybody is getting married, Jewish men are marrying shiksas in record numbers ...

    , @dearieme
    "this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration": but Protestants don't worship Mary either.
    , @josh
    That's clever, but "culture of critique" is much simpler.
    , @SFG
    Only problem is the Jewish religion's older than all of those except Hinduism. It's more a matter of the syncretism and goddesses simply not having evolved yet. Judaism is closer to the old Near Eastern religions like Zoroastrianism that work as ethnoreligious group--every tribe has its god. It's a survival of more primitive religious traditions--that's why it's still tied to a single ethnic group. Universal religions like Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism are a relatively recent development.

    I always figured the feminism came from the tendency to ally with the most liberal end of the WASP elite, as well as too many high-IQ women bored by housework.

    It's the reason I will marry a shiksa, if I ever do get married. To marry a feminist is like lying down with a tiger.
    , @Art Deco
    So, essentially, Jewish women’s embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    That's the strangest description of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem I've ever read (and how do you fold spindle and mutilate that to accommodate Pat Schroeder, Ellen Goodman, Eleanor Smeal, Molly Yard, Patricia Ireland, Florynce Kennedy)...
    , @inertial
    You have a germ of an interesting idea but you shouldn't rely too much on your ideas about Judaism. Much of what you think you know ain't so. For example, the Jews do not believe in "scary storm God". Jewish God is not scary, or angry, or all that Patriarchal; this is merely a Christian idea of the Old Testament deity. In fact, the God in Judaism has a female aspect called Shekhinah, which is a big deal in the Jewish theology. Also, the Matriarchs - Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah - are much more important in Judaism than in Christianity. They are considered equally as important as the Patriarchs, who are very, very important. And yes, they are official role models for Jewish girls and, as you put it, "feminine objects of veneration". Oh, and one more point. Remember Song of Songs? Do you really think that religion that includes a text like this in its canon lack a feminine side?
  49. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    Thanks.

    So Christianity, especially Catholicism, had all sorts of honored role models for women who weren’t cut out for marriage and motherhood. Joan of Arc being the most amazing example.

    So, the baby boom ends in 1964, not everybody is getting married, Jewish men are marrying shiksas in record numbers …

    • Replies: @Lot
    Joan of Arc was more a one-off than a Catholic role model. St Teresa is the really popular catholic role model for french girls.

    There is a great movie from 1999 about her, starring a beautiful 23-year-old Milla Jovovich and with other big stars in the cast:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Messenger:_The_Story_of_Joan_of_Arc

    It is one part Braveheart and one part high-budget experimental indie film, but the combination works well, including some movie techniques that are usually annoying.
  50. Great piece. Semi-WASP me once spent a summer working as a dishwasher and busboy at my city’s second-tier Jewish country club. The emphasis there was far more on the food and the socializing than it was on the golf. But I got to play free rounds on Mondays.

    The tensions between Jews of German descent and Eastern European Jews were really important and have tended to be forgotten. German Jews arrived earlier, tended to succeed in retail and banking, and tended to have a rather proper social style. When the crowds of Eastern European Jews started arriving, the German Jews looked down on them as dirty and superstitious — as embarassing — but felt some responsibility for them anyway. The Eastern Euro Jews hated them for it. Stephen Birmingham claimed that the word “k***” was a German-Jewish name for Eastern European Jews. And a woman of Eastern European Jewish descent that I knew once told me she and her friends would joke about how the German Jews were “worse than Nazis.” A lot of the big culturally disruptive developments in American society in the mid 20th century in the arts, law and academia were the result of Eastern Euro Jews rising in American life and making their influence felt. Rothman and Lichter’s “Roots of Radicalism” — which Steve should read if he hasn’t already — argues that a lot of ’60s radicalism came from the previously cooped-up religious fervor of Eastern European Jews being set free to express itself in a secular American context, for instance. All that fiery-eyed, utopian brilliance and charisma, once cooped-up in shtetls and now free to focus on changing America!

    FWIW, my own theory about Jewish women and ’70s feminism is that Steinem and Friedan, etc were projecting Jewish family dynamics onto American society at large. Jewish women often have a lot of brains and drive and are prone to want to take ’em public, much more so than women of most groups seem to want to. (Didn’t I read somewhere that Jewish women have slightly higher levels of testosterone than most women do?) And Jewish guys are often both princes and workaholics. So the argument that got portrayed as being between women and men in America generally is really a projection of the one that goes on between the Jewish princess-daughter and the Jewish princeling-son over who’s going to get to be the bigger star.

  51. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    “this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration”: but Protestants don’t worship Mary either.

  52. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    That’s clever, but “culture of critique” is much simpler.

  53. Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. But I hadn’t thought of the second part. Nice touch.

  54. I’ve never understood it. I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background — a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) In fact, the verb form “to jew” has, for as far back as I can remember, been used as a term of high approval rather than insult among my backwoods hillbilly kin.

    Hillbillies aren’t southern.

  55. You seem to undermine your argument with your own sources. You quote Birmingham saying this:

    “But in Los Angeles, as in other cities, the leading Christian club, the Los Angeles Country Club, would not accept Jews … So the Jews of Hollywood had formed Hillcrest, a country club of their own.”

    So there was in fact (at least according to Birmingham) a history of exclusion – it is no “mythos”.

    Would Jews have formed their own clubs anyway if they were able to join the Christian clubs? Possibly, but that isn’t the history. They had to form their own clubs because they were just not welcome to join at most of the top Christian clubs.

  56. @Buzz Mohawk

    “On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. ”

    LOL. I always find it funny when people refer to “Europe” like it was one country or culture.
     

    Usually when I go to Europe I end up in several countries. Thery're quite small, you see, with silly little border guards in between. It's really rather annoying. I didn't think it necessary to give every little detail in a comment section, and I was feeling somewhat private about the matter.

    If you must know, I was in Romania, the Hungarian part known as Transylvania. Now that's a place that's been reamed by history and an idiotic clash of cultures. The contrasts are educational, just as they are in the two-part Jewish cemetery.

    That country is part of the European Union, but, as I'm sure you know, it's got a long way to go to be like those other golden stars in that circle. However, it is perfectly normal to refer to it as "Europe." as any old geography teacher will tell you.

    There are hundreds of Jewish cemeteries in Eastern Europe that look like the one you described as a spooky Halloween scene. Those are the headstones of people whose descendants no longer live in the area, to fix things up. There were about nine million Jews in that area, in 1939. Now there are very few. Do you know why?

    The newer headstones are probably post-war, and since you say this was in Romania, their descendants likely don’t live there either (though most of them left voluntarily in the 1960s when Romania let the Jews emigrate).

    Your local informants are full of sh1t. Maybe someday an idiot will see your neglected grave, and piss all over it–whether metaphorically, as you’ve done here, or literally. Have a nice day.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    I personally know non-Jewish families in that very area who's non-Jewish ancestors were lined up and shot by Nazis. Somehow, all those families and their Christian brethren manage to make the small sacrifices from their meager incomes to clean up the old graves. Not the Jews, who are still there with a big, beautiful temple, by the way.

    My "sources" live every day with the consequences of history. Do yours?

    You are full of it, laying the old canard on me. Yes, lots of innocent people were killed, and lots of people of all faiths got out when they could. These cultural differences I have observed are real. Your disinformative insult of me is not.

    You are not the only victim, and you have no special status or dispensation for your snobbery.
  57. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    Only problem is the Jewish religion’s older than all of those except Hinduism. It’s more a matter of the syncretism and goddesses simply not having evolved yet. Judaism is closer to the old Near Eastern religions like Zoroastrianism that work as ethnoreligious group–every tribe has its god. It’s a survival of more primitive religious traditions–that’s why it’s still tied to a single ethnic group. Universal religions like Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism are a relatively recent development.

    I always figured the feminism came from the tendency to ally with the most liberal end of the WASP elite, as well as too many high-IQ women bored by housework.

    It’s the reason I will marry a shiksa, if I ever do get married. To marry a feminist is like lying down with a tiger.

  58. @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.

    So Christianity, especially Catholicism, had all sorts of honored role models for women who weren't cut out for marriage and motherhood. Joan of Arc being the most amazing example.

    So, the baby boom ends in 1964, not everybody is getting married, Jewish men are marrying shiksas in record numbers ...

    Joan of Arc was more a one-off than a Catholic role model. St Teresa is the really popular catholic role model for french girls.

    There is a great movie from 1999 about her, starring a beautiful 23-year-old Milla Jovovich and with other big stars in the cast:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Messenger:_The_Story_of_Joan_of_Arc

    It is one part Braveheart and one part high-budget experimental indie film, but the combination works well, including some movie techniques that are usually annoying.

  59. Jewish women’s embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    Protestantism also lacks female objects of veneration, and had a nice profitable start looting all those idolatrous catholic shrines to the virgin.

    Also, wasn’t Firestone pretty far from “spiritual” and instead more like a post-war sci fi futurist, with her fantasies of artificial wombs freeing women from childbirth? Maybe I have her confused with another feminist weirdo.

  60. @Lot

    Indeed, this displacement process may be observed in many aspects of American social history, which has been repeatedly rewritten to foster Jewish solidarity by projecting blame for grievances held by one set of Jews against another onto the majority culture.

    A future article, for example, may explore the Friedan-Steinem-Firestone-Abzug generation of feminists from this subversive perspective.
     
    Kevin Macdonald's been there, done that.

    This widespread obsession with WASP country clubs as the locus of evil
     
    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn't much document "a widespread obsession." Or as you later say "surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation." What else you got?

    Fourth, historically, Jewish applicants were mostly excluded for ethnic reasons by Jewish country clubs.
     
    This claim is belied by the survey from 1963 you found. About 52% of all US country clubs had no-jew policies. The number of german jewish country clubs a russian jew could not be admitted to seems to represent about 5% of all US country clubs.

    “Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document ‘a widespread obsession.’ Or as you later say ‘surprisingly common Jewish-American preoccupation.’”

    Lemme give you some context here. A few years back, Steve was wondering why so many Jews are drawn to anti-American, cultural Marxist causes. (Good question!) Well, he suggested that it goes back to resentment over grandpa getting blackballed at the gentile country club.
    Ha ha, I thought, that’s funny, but of course Steve’s just using a bit of hyperbole to make a point.

    Trouble is, that over time Steve has repeated that idea, and I guess repetition can have this effect on you, that you start to believe stuff, even if it makes little sense. Well, this article represents the further development of that idea, in Steve’s head. And so having now made the entirely unsurprising discovery that Jews, like all people, sense distinctions of within-group social class and organize their social lives accordingly, Steve realized he has the perfect riposte to that (imagined) age-old Jewish grudge.

    So there you go; that’s your context.

  61. This German Jew and Slavic Jew thing…

    Was Beverly Hillbillies really about Ost-Jews butting into the world of West-Jews? Sort of like a coded Fiddler on the Roof?

    Is Green Acres about assimilated Jew(ess) rediscovering his/her roots?
    Go farm in Israel.

    ——-

    Twilight-like?

  62. @Mr. Blank
    Ah, Taki's. It would be my favorite website if it weren't for all the Jew hatred. Sigh.

    I've never understood it. I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background -- a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can't ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) In fact, the verb form "to jew" has, for as far back as I can remember, been used as a term of high approval rather than insult among my backwoods hillbilly kin.

    Heck, it was so widely used as a term of praise when I was growing up ("you really jewed him down on the price of that Camaro, hoss") that it's the only politically-incorrect term I have to actively force myself to avoid saying aloud. I've never felt the urge to use the "N-word," but I've had to stop myself many, many times from praising someone for really "jewing" somebody else on a deal.

    “can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) ”

    1st Klan 1865–1870s was a national liberation movement similar to the Taliban or the PLO. It likely had Jewish members or supporters.

    2nd Klan 1915-WWII was proto Zionist and meticulous about not offending Jews. Read the writtings of the main propagandist Alma Birdall White and Senator James Kimble Vardaman .

    The 3rd Klan after WWII was heavily infiltrated with informants and even government agents, so it is not clear what genuine sentiments were.

    Vardaman calls Henry Ford an ignorant anti semite
    http://www.hhtc.org/vw/b5/ford.html

    BTW, Vardaman was one of the last anti war true believers. It is not nice to think about it but the Klan was the only effective anti war movement in US history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Vardaman

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    2nd Klan 1915-WWII was proto Zionist and meticulous about not offending Jews.
     
    On the other hand, when a mad Mick in Bath, Michigan spent all winter planting explosives underneath a grade school, to set them off one fine spring school day, the Klan organ opened its reportage with "Andrew Kehoe, Roman Catholic…"

    They also teamed up with the NEA in Oregon to outlaw parochial schools. (SCOTUS overturned this in 1912.)

    As Mark Porkchop of the SPLC said about Ametican Renaissance recently, "They're not anti-Semitic, they're anti-black."
  63. I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background — a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews.

    And yet, they have nothing good to say about you. (You meaning Southerners in general) It’s not unusual for two different groups of people to hold one another in mutual esteem. Or mutual loathing for that matter. It is unusual to find one group of people which holds another group in high esteem, where that other group holds the first group in low esteem. I’ve never been able to figure it out. Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?"

    At the country club level of society, Southern Jews brought valuable commercial skills to an agrarian society and were a congenial part of the local establishment.

    , @Anonymous
    Southern Jews don't say many bad things about Southern non-Jews. Those would have been the Jews that his family would have known. Northern Jews and Northern non-Jews do pick on Southerners because of perceived backwardness and racism that no longer really exists anywhere but in their minds.
  64. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    So, essentially, Jewish women’s embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    That’s the strangest description of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem I’ve ever read (and how do you fold spindle and mutilate that to accommodate Pat Schroeder, Ellen Goodman, Eleanor Smeal, Molly Yard, Patricia Ireland, Florynce Kennedy)…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But it's worth thinking about Shulamith Firestone in some detail.
  65. On the topic of the philosemitism of Southerners, here’s an interesting paper.

    Religious Affiliation and Hiring Discrimination in the American South

    If you’re looking for a job in the South it’s best to conceal your religious identity, whatever it may be. The sole exception is if you’re Jewish in which case you should broadcast it loud and clear, as “Jews received preferential treatment over other religious groups in employer responses.” The people conducting the study seem a little uncomfortable with that result.

  66. @Art Deco
    So, essentially, Jewish women’s embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    That's the strangest description of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem I've ever read (and how do you fold spindle and mutilate that to accommodate Pat Schroeder, Ellen Goodman, Eleanor Smeal, Molly Yard, Patricia Ireland, Florynce Kennedy)...

    But it’s worth thinking about Shulamith Firestone in some detail.

  67. @Greenstalk
    I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background — a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews.

    And yet, they have nothing good to say about you. (You meaning Southerners in general) It's not unusual for two different groups of people to hold one another in mutual esteem. Or mutual loathing for that matter. It is unusual to find one group of people which holds another group in high esteem, where that other group holds the first group in low esteem. I've never been able to figure it out. Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?

    “Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?”

    At the country club level of society, Southern Jews brought valuable commercial skills to an agrarian society and were a congenial part of the local establishment.

  68. I used to work in finance for a very expensive country club in a very expensive neighborhood. I was once discussing the purchase price of a membership (in the $300,000s at the time) with one of the members. The club was member owned so you were paying for a fraction of ownership of the club.

    I had done some back of the envelope math and figured that if the property were liquidated and turned into the same mansions that surrounded it, the return for each member would be somewhere between the 1x-2x the current membership price. He noted that he had done the same calculation when he bought in, and it helped justify what was for him, as one of the less rich members, a significant expense.

    I found the members there to be for the most part very nice, very good, and very smart men, and when/if I become wealthy enough to justify the expense I would consider joining one.

    Related: This was a while back, in the early days of wikipedia… I edited the wikipedia article for Country Club, which previously was terrible. For a few years the article was based on my edit… I had successfully clipped out some of the blatant anti-country club nonsense, and for a little while the occasional additions like “country clubs are known as bastions of racism” would be edited out.

    Then at some point after I had lost track, wikipedia got intense and the article was rewritten. Last I looked it was not crushingly biased against country clubs, but not as good as it could be, but that itself was a couple years ago.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Wikipedia articles on country clubs are very weak. The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up.
  69. @BillWallace
    I used to work in finance for a very expensive country club in a very expensive neighborhood. I was once discussing the purchase price of a membership (in the $300,000s at the time) with one of the members. The club was member owned so you were paying for a fraction of ownership of the club.

    I had done some back of the envelope math and figured that if the property were liquidated and turned into the same mansions that surrounded it, the return for each member would be somewhere between the 1x-2x the current membership price. He noted that he had done the same calculation when he bought in, and it helped justify what was for him, as one of the less rich members, a significant expense.

    I found the members there to be for the most part very nice, very good, and very smart men, and when/if I become wealthy enough to justify the expense I would consider joining one.

    Related: This was a while back, in the early days of wikipedia... I edited the wikipedia article for Country Club, which previously was terrible. For a few years the article was based on my edit... I had successfully clipped out some of the blatant anti-country club nonsense, and for a little while the occasional additions like "country clubs are known as bastions of racism" would be edited out.

    Then at some point after I had lost track, wikipedia got intense and the article was rewritten. Last I looked it was not crushingly biased against country clubs, but not as good as it could be, but that itself was a couple years ago.

    Wikipedia articles on country clubs are very weak. The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up.

    • Replies: @BillWallace
    "The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up."

    Agreed, and I'm not the man to do it. I'm both a weak writer, and not knowledgable about Country Club history, so editing the Country Club article from too short and terrible to too short and mediocre was about the limit of my potential contribution.

    It's interesting that the cohort of intelligent, capable, white men who enjoy country clubs and the cohort of intelligent capable white men who edit wikipedia does not intersect very much.
    , @Brutusale
    I think BillWallace misunderstands what you mean, Steve.

    In typically arrogant Boston fashion, the premier country club in the area has to be named The Country Club. Don't bother to apply, as Dan Jenkins one wrote about Swinley Forest in England, if you or your father ever held a job. They so hacked off Reebok CEO Paul Fireman (Jew) when they rejected his membership application that he embarked on a 20-year campaign to build a better club (which he may have done with Liberty National). The Country Club recently rejected Deval Patrick (black), Obama's Mini Me and two-time governor of the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

    I love a place that doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. And as a guy who always carries the bag or uses a caddy, (as does his girlfriend) I love that they require a medical exemption to use a cart.
  70. @International Jew
    There are hundreds of Jewish cemeteries in Eastern Europe that look like the one you described as a spooky Halloween scene. Those are the headstones of people whose descendants no longer live in the area, to fix things up. There were about nine million Jews in that area, in 1939. Now there are very few. Do you know why?

    The newer headstones are probably post-war, and since you say this was in Romania, their descendants likely don't live there either (though most of them left voluntarily in the 1960s when Romania let the Jews emigrate).

    Your local informants are full of sh1t. Maybe someday an idiot will see your neglected grave, and piss all over it--whether metaphorically, as you've done here, or literally. Have a nice day.

    I personally know non-Jewish families in that very area who’s non-Jewish ancestors were lined up and shot by Nazis. Somehow, all those families and their Christian brethren manage to make the small sacrifices from their meager incomes to clean up the old graves. Not the Jews, who are still there with a big, beautiful temple, by the way.

    My “sources” live every day with the consequences of history. Do yours?

    You are full of it, laying the old canard on me. Yes, lots of innocent people were killed, and lots of people of all faiths got out when they could. These cultural differences I have observed are real. Your disinformative insult of me is not.

    You are not the only victim, and you have no special status or dispensation for your snobbery.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    OK smart guy, what city is it? I want to check out your "still there with a big beautiful temple" story. I'm from Romania myself, BTW, and as far as I know the Jews of Ardeal ended up in Auschwitz along with the rest of the Hungarian Jews.
  71. @Buzz Mohawk
    On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I've never seen anything like it.

    There’s a charity devoted to providing dignified burials to indigent Jews: http://www.hebrewfreeburial.org

    The whole idea of being buried in a plane pine box was to prevent a status war for funerals.

  72. @bjdubbs
    In the 1960's Warren Buffet made a big deal out of joining the Omaha Jewish country club, apparently to prove a point about the restrictive policies at his own club. The Jews didn't really ask for his application, so they had to bend all their by-laws (such as manadatory donations to the synagogue) to let him in. But I wonder if that's the whole story. Buffett named his son after Ben Graham, but Graham would not hire Buffett at his own firm. Buffett did eventually wear down the opposition, so Buffett had a history of this sort of thing. His daughter eventually married Allen Greenberg.

    Buffett worked for Graham for 2 years before launching his own firm.

  73. @Anonymous
    I wish the older generation who joined things like country clubs would just move on to their assisted living places and allow these large pieces of prime real estate in nice areas to be turned into luxury apartments for younger generations. In fact, I'm surprised that these country clubs are not targets for eminent domain designation by municipal governments.

    Yglesias, is that you?

  74. (Didn’t I read somewhere that Jewish women have slightly higher levels of testosterone than most women do?)

    They are certainly hairier.

  75. “this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration”: but Protestants don’t worship Mary either.

    -dearieme

    Right, and compare and contrast feminism in northern and southern Europe. You’ll find a continuum from Lutheran Sweden all the way down to the tip of the Italian Catholic boot.

    Jews’ immediate predecessors clearly worshipped goddesses.

    Judaism may be “old” by Christian standards, but not much older than Christianity compared to Islam. It’s actually only a middle-aged religion if we go back to the beginning of civilization. And, on the contrary, it isn’t right to call it primitive, because it was revolutionary by the standards of its time. Even today we haven’t really evolved past it. Maybe the only really archaic aspect is the ethnically exclusive part (but that could simply be a presumption on my part, and Christian/Muslim universalism might actually be the reactionary position). Otherwise, cognitively speaking Judaism is a radically modern faith that most of us (including perhaps most Jews) haven’t caught up to yet.

    As for the early WASP feminists, I think they were just feminine acolytes of the fashionable gentile Enlightenment (as epitomized by John Stuart Mill), and a lot of Jews, eager proselytes that they are by nature, joined them with great enthusiasm when liberated from the authority of their rabbis. The Catholic ones (to answer Art Deco) are what I’d characterize as ambitious apostates.

  76. Why hasn’t Whit Stillman made a movie about a country club?

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Why hasn’t Whit Stillman made a movie about a country club?"

    Cuz he makes them about neo-country clubs.

    World of socialites.

    Yuppie expats.

    Exclusive disco club.

    Some quaint private college.

    ------------

    The REAL American:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNauilZRzHk

  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    I personally know non-Jewish families in that very area who's non-Jewish ancestors were lined up and shot by Nazis. Somehow, all those families and their Christian brethren manage to make the small sacrifices from their meager incomes to clean up the old graves. Not the Jews, who are still there with a big, beautiful temple, by the way.

    My "sources" live every day with the consequences of history. Do yours?

    You are full of it, laying the old canard on me. Yes, lots of innocent people were killed, and lots of people of all faiths got out when they could. These cultural differences I have observed are real. Your disinformative insult of me is not.

    You are not the only victim, and you have no special status or dispensation for your snobbery.

    OK smart guy, what city is it? I want to check out your “still there with a big beautiful temple” story. I’m from Romania myself, BTW, and as far as I know the Jews of Ardeal ended up in Auschwitz along with the rest of the Hungarian Jews.

  78. @Steve Sailer
    Wikipedia articles on country clubs are very weak. The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up.

    “The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up.”

    Agreed, and I’m not the man to do it. I’m both a weak writer, and not knowledgable about Country Club history, so editing the Country Club article from too short and terrible to too short and mediocre was about the limit of my potential contribution.

    It’s interesting that the cohort of intelligent, capable, white men who enjoy country clubs and the cohort of intelligent capable white men who edit wikipedia does not intersect very much.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "It’s interesting that the cohort of intelligent, capable, white men who enjoy country clubs and the cohort of intelligent capable white men who edit wikipedia does not intersect very much."

    Right. Baseball tends to attract a certain percentage of scholarly intellectual fans, both nerds who dream up new statistics and men of letters who write essays arguing that the ineffable beauty of the game is lost in the new statistics, etc.

    While golf's base has a lot of overlap with football's fan base: corporate managers who are good at getting things done, but who aren't terribly philosophically inclined. Golf has had two great novelists who took a part time interest in it -- Wodehouse and Updike -- and a few journalists descended from the great evolutionist intellectuals, such as Bernard Darwin. But that's about it.

    One interesting thing is that elite golf in recent years seems to be turning back into a covert British-American ethnic pride parade.

  79. It’s likely that the main reason the South was friendly towards Jews and Catholics was that it needed all the white people it could get. It was a simple matter of numbers. Religious considerations were secondary.

    Also I understand that Sephardic Jews played a prominent role in Southern society from earliest colonial times, due to the region’s close economic ties to the Spanish-speaking world to the south.

  80. @BillWallace
    "The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up."

    Agreed, and I'm not the man to do it. I'm both a weak writer, and not knowledgable about Country Club history, so editing the Country Club article from too short and terrible to too short and mediocre was about the limit of my potential contribution.

    It's interesting that the cohort of intelligent, capable, white men who enjoy country clubs and the cohort of intelligent capable white men who edit wikipedia does not intersect very much.

    “It’s interesting that the cohort of intelligent, capable, white men who enjoy country clubs and the cohort of intelligent capable white men who edit wikipedia does not intersect very much.”

    Right. Baseball tends to attract a certain percentage of scholarly intellectual fans, both nerds who dream up new statistics and men of letters who write essays arguing that the ineffable beauty of the game is lost in the new statistics, etc.

    While golf’s base has a lot of overlap with football’s fan base: corporate managers who are good at getting things done, but who aren’t terribly philosophically inclined. Golf has had two great novelists who took a part time interest in it — Wodehouse and Updike — and a few journalists descended from the great evolutionist intellectuals, such as Bernard Darwin. But that’s about it.

    One interesting thing is that elite golf in recent years seems to be turning back into a covert British-American ethnic pride parade.

  81. @george
    "can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews. (And I had ancestors in the Klan, for crying out loud.) "

    1st Klan 1865–1870s was a national liberation movement similar to the Taliban or the PLO. It likely had Jewish members or supporters.

    2nd Klan 1915-WWII was proto Zionist and meticulous about not offending Jews. Read the writtings of the main propagandist Alma Birdall White and Senator James Kimble Vardaman .

    The 3rd Klan after WWII was heavily infiltrated with informants and even government agents, so it is not clear what genuine sentiments were.

    Vardaman calls Henry Ford an ignorant anti semite
    http://www.hhtc.org/vw/b5/ford.html

    BTW, Vardaman was one of the last anti war true believers. It is not nice to think about it but the Klan was the only effective anti war movement in US history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Vardaman

    2nd Klan 1915-WWII was proto Zionist and meticulous about not offending Jews.

    On the other hand, when a mad Mick in Bath, Michigan spent all winter planting explosives underneath a grade school, to set them off one fine spring school day, the Klan organ opened its reportage with “Andrew Kehoe, Roman Catholic…”

    They also teamed up with the NEA in Oregon to outlaw parochial schools. (SCOTUS overturned this in 1912.)

    As Mark Porkchop of the SPLC said about Ametican Renaissance recently, “They’re not anti-Semitic, they’re anti-black.”

  82. Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.”

    Social exclusion is one of the great engines of resentment for nearly everybody, everywhere. Lower classes dislike being looked down upon for using the wrong fork. People resent not being admitted to the right schools. Blacks resented not being able to eat at a lunch counter. Jews resented not being invited to WASP country clubs, even though they had wealth.

    Jewish resentment of WASP country clubs is common enough that it’s the subject of comedies, as in Caddyshack or Curb Your Enthusiasm. If the feeling isn’t widespread, there’s no basis for the joke.

    • Replies: @inertial
    The feeling was widespread only among the narrow (but evidently vocal) sliver of the Jewish society. As referred to above, most wealthy Jews were quite content to socialize among people like themselves. And as for the middle class or below Jews (a great majority of them) their most likely reaction was something like, "I wish I had your problems, bub."
  83. @Bill P
    @Steve Sailer

    Sure, I'd be happy to share an idea. Here's the short version:

    I was pondering the enormous influence religion has on our psyche, and thinking about the fact that mentally ill peoople tend to hallucinate religious figures such as angels, God, saints, etc. It seems that this isn't a case of a defect that makes them more prone to religious feeling, but rather that the means by which ordinary people suppress these subconscious thoughts isn't fully developed, so we're all subject to them to some extent.

    This is relevant to culture because the content of one's religion has a very strong influence on the subconscious religious feelings. Ritual, worship, stories and festivals all reinforce this.

    In an important sense, religion also mirrors family and social life. Gods take on parental roles as authorities, or even literally as "our Father," Mary "mother of God," and so on. Pagans created entire interrelated pantheons that reflected the families and clans most people were familiar with because they were congruent with our innate religious sense.

    Judaism, on the other hand, evolved during a time of intense warfare and displacement during which spiritual warfare (idol/god killing) was an important component of interethnic conflict. One of the first things you'd do on overrunning a settlement or city was smash the idols and burn the temple, and rape the gods' consorts (virgins/priestesses). Obviously, this wasn't unique to Jews, as it happened to them on a number of occasions.

    This crucible created a lean, mean faith stripped of liabilities like idols, goddesses, priestesses, etc. The storm god Yahweh became the one true god, defender of the people.

    It kept the people and the faith alive, but at a cost. The rich, textured elements of faiths like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, and even contemporary Islam (worship of Miriam and Mohamed's consorts) were systematically removed, much as many of the accoutrements of civilian life are removed in an army. One notable absence was the feminine aspect of religion, which ordinarily should be proportionate to its very large place in society and our hearts.

    My idea is that this poverty of feminine objects of worship and veneration places a great strain on religious Jews, and women in particular. Mothers may take on an outsized, overwhelming role as they are deprived of spiritual analogues (e.g., mother becomes a "goddess" herself because there is no mother goddess to stand in for her). Women without feminine religious archetypes may feel lost and alone, or may turn to inventions such as an "earth mother." While sensitive Catholic girls have Mary and saints to worship, the Jewish equivalents are either long since banished or play much diminished roles. I can only imagine the terror and anguish of a psychologically fragile Jewish girl like Firestone who had no spiritual mother to turn to, but only stern, frightening patriarchs and prophets haunting her dreams, and in her case perhaps condemning her through auditory hallucinations.

    So, essentially, Jewish women's embrace of feminism is at its origin a spiritual movement to restore a yearned for femininity to their spiritual lives.

    As for how it's relevant to non-Jews, the Enlightenment provided a new form of religious thought grounded in social theory that promised fulfillment to all people. It was appealing in its rejection of Abrahamic spirituality, and provided both relief and hope. Naturally, not only their own repressive Abrahamic religion, but all Abrahamic religion, became the enemy to adherents of the new, progressive faith. "Patriarchy" became the catchphrase that stood for the scary storm God and fierce, judgmental prophets. Hence you have a new dualistic faith with an angelic vision of an attainable progressive utopia contrasted with demonic patriarchs trying to prevent "society" from reaching its goal.

    That's the germ of the idea.

    You have a germ of an interesting idea but you shouldn’t rely too much on your ideas about Judaism. Much of what you think you know ain’t so. For example, the Jews do not believe in “scary storm God”. Jewish God is not scary, or angry, or all that Patriarchal; this is merely a Christian idea of the Old Testament deity. In fact, the God in Judaism has a female aspect called Shekhinah, which is a big deal in the Jewish theology. Also, the Matriarchs – Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah – are much more important in Judaism than in Christianity. They are considered equally as important as the Patriarchs, who are very, very important. And yes, they are official role models for Jewish girls and, as you put it, “feminine objects of veneration”. Oh, and one more point. Remember Song of Songs? Do you really think that religion that includes a text like this in its canon lack a feminine side?

  84. @Boomstick
    Your total of three anecdotes, two of the three relating to the Wolf of Wall Street, doesn’t much document “a widespread obsession.”

    Social exclusion is one of the great engines of resentment for nearly everybody, everywhere. Lower classes dislike being looked down upon for using the wrong fork. People resent not being admitted to the right schools. Blacks resented not being able to eat at a lunch counter. Jews resented not being invited to WASP country clubs, even though they had wealth.

    Jewish resentment of WASP country clubs is common enough that it's the subject of comedies, as in Caddyshack or Curb Your Enthusiasm. If the feeling isn't widespread, there's no basis for the joke.

    The feeling was widespread only among the narrow (but evidently vocal) sliver of the Jewish society. As referred to above, most wealthy Jews were quite content to socialize among people like themselves. And as for the middle class or below Jews (a great majority of them) their most likely reaction was something like, “I wish I had your problems, bub.”

  85. Jo,

    “Hillbillies aren’t southern.”

    Oh, there’s a few of us scattered around NE Georgia, Asheville, Knoxville, Western Virginia and thereabouts; not to mention our own diaspora all around the South and beyond. We’re not quite as kin-centric as the Jews, but we’re close.

  86. Bill P,

    Are you familiar with the story of Laban and Rachel’s household gods in Genesis 31? Might relate to your theory. There is something there, likewise with the lack of Mariology in Protestantism. Thanks for taking the time to explicate it.

  87. an on,

    “Do you really think that religion that includes a text like this in its canon lack a feminine side?”

    Are you familiar with Harold Bloom’s Book of J? Talk about a feminine side of the Canon!

  88. Steve,

    “’Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?’

    At the country club level of society, Southern Jews brought valuable commercial skills to an agrarian society and were a congenial part of the local establishment.”

    Historically, yes. Now its because their Boss is a Jewish Carpenter*. Philosemitism shows one’s piety, enlightenment, and amiability all at once. My (now Southern) Dad’s big into that. His (Northern, German-American) Dad was antisemitic and sometimes outspoken about it.

    “When I was a kid in the San Fernando Valley, the Jewish kids felt it was un-American to go to parochial school instead of public school.”

    That was also a strong norm among (suburban, of course) respectable mainline protestants in 80’s Cincinnati. We (neighborhood public schools) would routinely run circles around even the top private schools academically, and the parochial schools weren’t even close. Post-NCLB, that’s no longer the case. Never any forced busing.

    * – popular bumper sticker referring to Jesus

  89. @Jeff Burton
    You are expressing my experience as well. My philo-semitism also came from being steeped in Dispensationalist American Protestantism. I remember the first time I experienced anti-semitism - a close high school friend harangued me with a semi-deranged rant about "them". It thought I was in "invasion of the body snatchers." I still find it genuinely weird.

    Jeff and Mr. Blank, could you give me a time stamp and general location for your experiences in the South? I’m thinking maybe I need to start paying attention to this body snatcher idea.

  90. @Buzz Mohawk
    On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I've never seen anything like it.

    I call bullsh*t on your source, who was probably a local anti-Semite. I’ve never heard of or seen anything like this in E. Europe.

    Last year, I visited my parents’ home towns in Poland and Ukraine. In Poland, the Jewish cemetery was neglected and spooky, just as you describe, but all of it. There was no “nice” section – no one had maintained the cemetery since 1939. The Catholic cemeteries were well kept and filled with flowers, etc. (because the people in the cemetery still had relatives living nearby). The contrast was striking.

    Then I visited Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine which was part of Poland before the war, before Stalin decided he wanted a bite. Prewar there were (at least) three distinct communities in the town – Poles, Jews and Ukrainians. Now two of the three communities were gone. So the Polish cemetery in Ukraine looked as neglected as the Jewish cemeteries in Poland.

    But the biggest shock was the Jewish cemetery, which we couldn’t find at first. So we found the oldest looking man we could find and asked him where it was. He pointed with his cane up to the top of a nearby hill so we hiked up there. At first we thought he was confused because we couldn’t find a thing, just an empty field with some high tension towers. Then we came upon a broken gravestone with Hebrew letters, just one stone. Afterward we came down and asked another old person what happened to the Jewish cemetery. She explained that the local kolkhos (collective farm) had used all the grave stones to pave the cow barn after the war.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Last year, I visited my parents’ home towns in Poland and Ukraine. In Poland, the Jewish cemetery was neglected and spooky, just as you describe, but all of it. "

    All of Europe is turning into a massive graveyard for whites, and most whites don't even care.
  91. @Jack D
    I call bullsh*t on your source, who was probably a local anti-Semite. I've never heard of or seen anything like this in E. Europe.

    Last year, I visited my parents' home towns in Poland and Ukraine. In Poland, the Jewish cemetery was neglected and spooky, just as you describe, but all of it. There was no "nice" section - no one had maintained the cemetery since 1939. The Catholic cemeteries were well kept and filled with flowers, etc. (because the people in the cemetery still had relatives living nearby). The contrast was striking.

    Then I visited Ukraine. The western part of Ukraine which was part of Poland before the war, before Stalin decided he wanted a bite. Prewar there were (at least) three distinct communities in the town - Poles, Jews and Ukrainians. Now two of the three communities were gone. So the Polish cemetery in Ukraine looked as neglected as the Jewish cemeteries in Poland.

    But the biggest shock was the Jewish cemetery, which we couldn't find at first. So we found the oldest looking man we could find and asked him where it was. He pointed with his cane up to the top of a nearby hill so we hiked up there. At first we thought he was confused because we couldn't find a thing, just an empty field with some high tension towers. Then we came upon a broken gravestone with Hebrew letters, just one stone. Afterward we came down and asked another old person what happened to the Jewish cemetery. She explained that the local kolkhos (collective farm) had used all the grave stones to pave the cow barn after the war.

    “Last year, I visited my parents’ home towns in Poland and Ukraine. In Poland, the Jewish cemetery was neglected and spooky, just as you describe, but all of it. ”

    All of Europe is turning into a massive graveyard for whites, and most whites don’t even care.

  92. @Dave Pinsen
    Why hasn't Whit Stillman made a movie about a country club?

    “Why hasn’t Whit Stillman made a movie about a country club?”

    Cuz he makes them about neo-country clubs.

    World of socialites.

    Yuppie expats.

    Exclusive disco club.

    Some quaint private college.

    ————

    The REAL American:

  93. But it turns out that the USGA and PGA had Jewish clubs host their major championships back in the bad old days of the 1920s and 1930s.

    This supports what I’ve been saying about how the first couple generations of Jews to mass-immigrate to the US around the late 1800s/early 1900s were indeed “model immigrants”: assimilationist, upwardly mobile, and in solidarity with their Christian countrymen. Many of them volunteered to fight in the US military even when they weren’t drafted; they gave their kids Christian names; they celebrated Christian and American holidays; they honored American heroes and folklore.

    Bratty secular Jewish millennials should take a page from their playbook.

  94. Now this is one of the better themed articles on golf at large that you’ve written.

    It merely reinforces what many have said here before: Steve, you have a book in you to write on golf: From the historical origins, architecture, best courses, all time players, lack of caddies among some communities and now this section (perhaps under societal implications etc). It would be an interesting book, well researched, and make for quite the read.

    Noticing: NO ONE HERE including the author of the post has stated a fairly obvious thing about Jewish golf courses: How come with all these luxurious upscale courses it has NOT translated into better quality GOLFERS?

    FACT: The Christian country clubs focused on golfing and thus have the most dominant elite superior golfers. Look at the PGA, most of whom came from elite clubs so its fairly easy to determine which clubs are turning them out.

    As Uncle Milty said, their courses were mostly for dinning rooms and socializing. It’s like…HEY! Youre forgetting what the main reason for the golf country club is for! In other words, Jewish golf country clubs aren’t turning out superior golfers that can more than compete and dominate the PGA tour.

    How many dominant Jewish PGA players are there on the tour? Or rather, to the chase, the most dominant PGA players of all time…very few are Jews. Palmer? Jones? Woods? Nicholson? Watson(both Bubba and Tom)? These are all gentiles.

    So which private clubs are the ones that turn out dominant elite golfers? Hint: Not Uncle Milty and Groucho’s.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Mark Spitz was pretty good in a country club sport.
  95. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Now this is one of the better themed articles on golf at large that you've written.

    It merely reinforces what many have said here before: Steve, you have a book in you to write on golf: From the historical origins, architecture, best courses, all time players, lack of caddies among some communities and now this section (perhaps under societal implications etc). It would be an interesting book, well researched, and make for quite the read.

    Noticing: NO ONE HERE including the author of the post has stated a fairly obvious thing about Jewish golf courses: How come with all these luxurious upscale courses it has NOT translated into better quality GOLFERS?

    FACT: The Christian country clubs focused on golfing and thus have the most dominant elite superior golfers. Look at the PGA, most of whom came from elite clubs so its fairly easy to determine which clubs are turning them out.

    As Uncle Milty said, their courses were mostly for dinning rooms and socializing. It's like...HEY! Youre forgetting what the main reason for the golf country club is for! In other words, Jewish golf country clubs aren't turning out superior golfers that can more than compete and dominate the PGA tour.

    How many dominant Jewish PGA players are there on the tour? Or rather, to the chase, the most dominant PGA players of all time...very few are Jews. Palmer? Jones? Woods? Nicholson? Watson(both Bubba and Tom)? These are all gentiles.

    So which private clubs are the ones that turn out dominant elite golfers? Hint: Not Uncle Milty and Groucho's.

    Mark Spitz was pretty good in a country club sport.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I'm specifically referring to golf. This is one of the great ironies of your article: US Jews have had their own private country clubs for well over a century now, and the major sport at all these country clubs tends to be golf so its certainly ironic that not one Jewish American has ever been dominant on the PGA circuit. Not a single one reached dominance in the PGA.

    And let's be clear: I'm referring to a player who dominated the sport along the lines of: Eldrick; Palmer; Nicholaus; Bubba and Tom Watson; Rory McIlroy; etc;

    Why? With all that money poured into their clubs and learning the game of golf, and yet not a single Jewish American has ever dominated the PGA? No one at all?

    Instead of the guy looking up at the gentile club's ceiling, a gentile visitor (perhaps rare as it was back in the day) to a Jewish elite country club would've remarked "Yeah, your pastrami on rye is fine for lunch along with the tongue for dinner....but how come the course is like mediocre? They don't look very ascetic. And how come you guys can't even manage a better handicap than like, 14? Who are your golf swing coaches?" And the response would've been "Get him. Mr. Perfection. What are we, golf experts? You think our clubs are really about learning to do golf?"

    Uh, apparently they're not about golf after all.

    Their handicaps just aren't good enough in all this time to have made the grade and dominate the PGA.

    That's a fair question, Steve.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes, but was Spitz an actual member? It wouldn't have mattered by his time. Anyone can learn how to swim in school. And tennis had many more public courts by the 1950's and just about every high school of note had decent sized swimming pools (most NCAA schools have Olympic sized pools) not to mention that post WW2 there was a major building of public swimming pools.

    Bottom line: Post WW2 relatively "anyone" with the knack could learn tennis and swimming without joining a country club (e.g. Williams Sisters and Agassi didn't grow up in a country club). Tennis is so plebeian in the open era and swimming is something that anyone can learn in high school; NCAA. Not sure, I'm thinking Michael Phelps didn't grow up belonging to a country club.

    Golf, however, remains the one sport where country club membership is an advantage. This was certainly so pre 1950 before the rise of public links. As Jews tended to have many private country clubs with golf courses that should've been to their advantage to produce tons of PGA calibre golfers, but it didn't.

    In one of your golf articles you may have mentioned that many caddies grow up learning the game at country clubs where they tend to pay more than at public links. So I'm thinking that for golf at least, country club membership will tend to give you several major advantages over public links especially since the PGA hosts the majors at exclusive country clubs.

  96. International Jew – “Your local informants are full of sh1t. Maybe someday an idiot will see your neglected grave, and piss all over it–whether metaphorically, as you’ve done here, or literally. Have a nice day.”

    Have you considered changing your handle to “Stereotypical Jew”? You seem to be trying really hard to live down to every negative stereotype associated with your group.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    "Have you considered changing your handle to “Stereotypical Jew”? You seem to be trying really hard to live down to every negative stereotype associated with your group."

    First off, "International Jew" is a literary allusion (besides describing my life trajectory on a matter-of-fact level). So I'm inclined to keep it.

    Now about those stereotypes, what in particular?
  97. I’m a lawyer but I don’t understand how the California A.G. or Governor could have prevented a private course from hosting a golf tournament in 1962.

  98. @Buzz Mohawk
    On my most recent visit to Europe, a friend took me through a rather large, local cemetery. All the European religions were represented there, organized in sizeable sections. The scene was nice and pastoral everywhere except in one area: The Jewish part of the cemetery was divided into rich and poor halves, right next to each other. The contrast was astounding.

    The rich Jewish area was the most ostentatious part of the entire cemetery, while the poor area was the ugliest and strangest. Barren and obviously neglected, the poor section looked like a set for a cheap Halloween movie, with thin, tilted, scary-looking grave markers scattered across a weedy, gothic landscape.

    It was explained to me that the Jews created this rich/poor division and contributed nothing for the graves of their poorer brethren. They made damn sure the whole world could tell who had not finished life financially successful. I've never seen anything like it.

    What city was that?

  99. @Steve Sailer
    Mark Spitz was pretty good in a country club sport.

    I’m specifically referring to golf. This is one of the great ironies of your article: US Jews have had their own private country clubs for well over a century now, and the major sport at all these country clubs tends to be golf so its certainly ironic that not one Jewish American has ever been dominant on the PGA circuit. Not a single one reached dominance in the PGA.

    And let’s be clear: I’m referring to a player who dominated the sport along the lines of: Eldrick; Palmer; Nicholaus; Bubba and Tom Watson; Rory McIlroy; etc;

    Why? With all that money poured into their clubs and learning the game of golf, and yet not a single Jewish American has ever dominated the PGA? No one at all?

    Instead of the guy looking up at the gentile club’s ceiling, a gentile visitor (perhaps rare as it was back in the day) to a Jewish elite country club would’ve remarked “Yeah, your pastrami on rye is fine for lunch along with the tongue for dinner….but how come the course is like mediocre? They don’t look very ascetic. And how come you guys can’t even manage a better handicap than like, 14? Who are your golf swing coaches?” And the response would’ve been “Get him. Mr. Perfection. What are we, golf experts? You think our clubs are really about learning to do golf?”

    Uh, apparently they’re not about golf after all.

    Their handicaps just aren’t good enough in all this time to have made the grade and dominate the PGA.

    That’s a fair question, Steve.

  100. @Steve Sailer
    Mark Spitz was pretty good in a country club sport.

    Yes, but was Spitz an actual member? It wouldn’t have mattered by his time. Anyone can learn how to swim in school. And tennis had many more public courts by the 1950’s and just about every high school of note had decent sized swimming pools (most NCAA schools have Olympic sized pools) not to mention that post WW2 there was a major building of public swimming pools.

    Bottom line: Post WW2 relatively “anyone” with the knack could learn tennis and swimming without joining a country club (e.g. Williams Sisters and Agassi didn’t grow up in a country club). Tennis is so plebeian in the open era and swimming is something that anyone can learn in high school; NCAA. Not sure, I’m thinking Michael Phelps didn’t grow up belonging to a country club.

    Golf, however, remains the one sport where country club membership is an advantage. This was certainly so pre 1950 before the rise of public links. As Jews tended to have many private country clubs with golf courses that should’ve been to their advantage to produce tons of PGA calibre golfers, but it didn’t.

    In one of your golf articles you may have mentioned that many caddies grow up learning the game at country clubs where they tend to pay more than at public links. So I’m thinking that for golf at least, country club membership will tend to give you several major advantages over public links especially since the PGA hosts the majors at exclusive country clubs.

  101. “Why? With all that money poured into their clubs and learning the game of golf, and yet not a single Jewish American has ever dominated the PGA? No one at all?”

    Honestly, an outstanding Jew is an exception to the point of being remarkable in any sport, especially compared to the proportion of high achievers who are Jewish in other walks of life.

    My guess is not having a nation for 2,500-years meant not having a warrior caste means not having athleticism out at the long tail. Even in golf, becoming dominant requires an underrated amount of raw athleticism.

    Give the IDF a few more generations and we’ll see…

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I'll take that bet and say....no. It still won't happen. Owning the various golf club companies (e.g. Titelist, etc) certainly. Producing an actual Jewish American PGA golfer that dominates the tour and wins the majors, no.

    Also don't underestimate the collective brainpower: If they'd have wanted such a thing they'd have found a way to pull their resources and thought up a way to achieve it. That they haven't in over a century with their own private dinning rooms ER country clubs means its obviously not on their radar.

    The X factor: sports are a way out of the ghetto, poverty, etc. With a few notable exceptions, Jews usually didn't rely on sports to help them reach the big time. In fact for a Jewish family's kid to want to become a professional athlete it would be analogous to saying he wanted to join the mafia. "An athlete? Eeewwww, why? Your grades aren't that bad. Some strings can be pulled and you can go to Harvard and OWN the team, not play for it like a servant! Come on now, you're better than that!"

    And maybe, they are better than that. Just ask them.

  102. @Desiderius
    "Why? With all that money poured into their clubs and learning the game of golf, and yet not a single Jewish American has ever dominated the PGA? No one at all?"

    Honestly, an outstanding Jew is an exception to the point of being remarkable in any sport, especially compared to the proportion of high achievers who are Jewish in other walks of life.

    My guess is not having a nation for 2,500-years meant not having a warrior caste means not having athleticism out at the long tail. Even in golf, becoming dominant requires an underrated amount of raw athleticism.

    Give the IDF a few more generations and we'll see...

    I’ll take that bet and say….no. It still won’t happen. Owning the various golf club companies (e.g. Titelist, etc) certainly. Producing an actual Jewish American PGA golfer that dominates the tour and wins the majors, no.

    Also don’t underestimate the collective brainpower: If they’d have wanted such a thing they’d have found a way to pull their resources and thought up a way to achieve it. That they haven’t in over a century with their own private dinning rooms ER country clubs means its obviously not on their radar.

    The X factor: sports are a way out of the ghetto, poverty, etc. With a few notable exceptions, Jews usually didn’t rely on sports to help them reach the big time. In fact for a Jewish family’s kid to want to become a professional athlete it would be analogous to saying he wanted to join the mafia. “An athlete? Eeewwww, why? Your grades aren’t that bad. Some strings can be pulled and you can go to Harvard and OWN the team, not play for it like a servant! Come on now, you’re better than that!”

    And maybe, they are better than that. Just ask them.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There are possibly more Jewish LPGA greats: Amy Alcott is an LPGA Hall of Famer. When I was 13 I was playing in a giant kid's tournament at Griffith Park and somebody pointed out to us that local legend Amy Alcott was playing on the next fairway over.
  103. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I'll take that bet and say....no. It still won't happen. Owning the various golf club companies (e.g. Titelist, etc) certainly. Producing an actual Jewish American PGA golfer that dominates the tour and wins the majors, no.

    Also don't underestimate the collective brainpower: If they'd have wanted such a thing they'd have found a way to pull their resources and thought up a way to achieve it. That they haven't in over a century with their own private dinning rooms ER country clubs means its obviously not on their radar.

    The X factor: sports are a way out of the ghetto, poverty, etc. With a few notable exceptions, Jews usually didn't rely on sports to help them reach the big time. In fact for a Jewish family's kid to want to become a professional athlete it would be analogous to saying he wanted to join the mafia. "An athlete? Eeewwww, why? Your grades aren't that bad. Some strings can be pulled and you can go to Harvard and OWN the team, not play for it like a servant! Come on now, you're better than that!"

    And maybe, they are better than that. Just ask them.

    There are possibly more Jewish LPGA greats: Amy Alcott is an LPGA Hall of Famer. When I was 13 I was playing in a giant kid’s tournament at Griffith Park and somebody pointed out to us that local legend Amy Alcott was playing on the next fairway over.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    This could be similar to the high number of Koreans who tend to dominate the LPGA. Both groups' females dominate the LPGA while their men do not dominate the PGA.
  104. @Greenstalk
    International Jew - "Your local informants are full of sh1t. Maybe someday an idiot will see your neglected grave, and piss all over it–whether metaphorically, as you’ve done here, or literally. Have a nice day."

    Have you considered changing your handle to "Stereotypical Jew"? You seem to be trying really hard to live down to every negative stereotype associated with your group.

    “Have you considered changing your handle to “Stereotypical Jew”? You seem to be trying really hard to live down to every negative stereotype associated with your group.”

    First off, “International Jew” is a literary allusion (besides describing my life trajectory on a matter-of-fact level). So I’m inclined to keep it.

    Now about those stereotypes, what in particular?

  105. Note to Ron: you need to fix that race condition.

  106. @Steve Sailer
    There are possibly more Jewish LPGA greats: Amy Alcott is an LPGA Hall of Famer. When I was 13 I was playing in a giant kid's tournament at Griffith Park and somebody pointed out to us that local legend Amy Alcott was playing on the next fairway over.

    This could be similar to the high number of Koreans who tend to dominate the LPGA. Both groups’ females dominate the LPGA while their men do not dominate the PGA.

  107. @Steve Sailer
    Wikipedia articles on country clubs are very weak. The Country Club, for example, plays a major role in American social and golf history and deserves a large scale write-up.

    I think BillWallace misunderstands what you mean, Steve.

    In typically arrogant Boston fashion, the premier country club in the area has to be named The Country Club. Don’t bother to apply, as Dan Jenkins one wrote about Swinley Forest in England, if you or your father ever held a job. They so hacked off Reebok CEO Paul Fireman (Jew) when they rejected his membership application that he embarked on a 20-year campaign to build a better club (which he may have done with Liberty National). The Country Club recently rejected Deval Patrick (black), Obama’s Mini Me and two-time governor of the People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

    I love a place that doesn’t give a damn what anyone thinks. And as a guy who always carries the bag or uses a caddy, (as does his girlfriend) I love that they require a medical exemption to use a cart.

  108. @Greenstalk
    I chalk it up to my philosemitic Protestant Southern background — a neglected part of Southern culture Steve has repeatedly noted. I can’t ever recall any of my relatives, even very elderly ones whose experiences and memories predate Israel and World War II, having anything bad to say about Jews.

    And yet, they have nothing good to say about you. (You meaning Southerners in general) It's not unusual for two different groups of people to hold one another in mutual esteem. Or mutual loathing for that matter. It is unusual to find one group of people which holds another group in high esteem, where that other group holds the first group in low esteem. I've never been able to figure it out. Maybe you can elaborate on why philosemitic Protestant Southerners are philosemitic?

    Southern Jews don’t say many bad things about Southern non-Jews. Those would have been the Jews that his family would have known. Northern Jews and Northern non-Jews do pick on Southerners because of perceived backwardness and racism that no longer really exists anywhere but in their minds.

  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You want to see some real-life golf course Nazis checkout the Old Tappan golf course, or read this thread:
    http://rantrampage.com/1036/Old_Tappan_Golf_Course.html

    These F-ers are beyond help and unbelievable. My brother in law dropped out of that place.

    Wall-to-wall entitled snobs, two-faced jackasses, and conniving racists.

    But they’ve got the wealth and power to cover their asses quite well.

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