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Today, I got my first look at the final pieces of the now-complete Gil Hanse-led restoration/renovation at Sleepy Hollow Country Club, and the results are incredible. Simply put, there aren’t 50 better courses in the US than Sleepy. And there may not be 25. It’s that good. pic.twitter.com/8eoYBMYHHL
— LinksGems Golf Photos (@LinksGems) May 31, 2018
Harrumph!
High-end golf has kind of given up on the Tiger Woods Era dream of diversity and the mass market, and is turning into a sort of WASP ethnic pride parade.
At present, the rather artificial-looking courses built by the strong-willed pioneer American designer Charles Blair Macdonald a century ago are the height of chic once again, after being completely out of style in the 1950s-1970s. Golf course architecture is an art form that follows its own trends in fashion.
A lot of money is being spent to restore Macdonald’s hard-edged designs, such as his 1911 course along the Hudson River at Sleepy Hollow, a robber baron country club founded by Rockefellers, Astors, and Vanderbilts.
Macdonald was basically Montgomery Berns with attitude. He vociferously argued that he was simply bringing America the time-tested best golf holes of the sand dunes courses of Scotland, and was following nature’s lead.
But Macdonald’s engineered classic courses don’t really look too much like Scottish courses. This radical 16th hole at Sleepy Hollow more resembles the 18th hole on a miniature golf course hole: if you get the ball into the punchbowl crater in the middle of the square green you have an easy putt, but woe unto you if you miss.
One theory is that Macdonald’s squared-up designs were aesthetically influenced by a taste for the look of old Civil War battlefields, which had lots of linear grassed-over trenches and breastworks.
In the current era, tradition comes first, and if that’s what Charles Blair Macdonald designed, then that’s what sophisticated golfers like these days. (You can see what this hole looked like in its timid later 20th Century version before its recent restoration to Macdonald’s original design here.)
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Scots are Anglo-Saxons? Mightn’t they take that as an insult?
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchReplies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @LondonBob
I understand the WASP term to be more specific, and others do as well. The Anglo-Saxon part is important and Scandinavians and Celts don't seem to fit.
On my father's side I have Saxon surnames, Celtic surnames and Norman surnames, and I never thought of my father as a WASP.
When I use the WASP term I mean Ivy league, New Englander, Anglo-Saxon types. I mean the Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Midwestern Portland to Portland WASP continuum.
The Bush family has Yorkshire origins, and they may have Scandinavian Viking ancestry, they certainly have other blood besides Anglo-Saxon, but I will list them as WASPs for purposes of description.
Most of the people I have met with English ancestry are wonderful and patriotic people, I wouldn't call them WASPs.
WASPs make up a small percentage of the people of English ancestry in the USA.
The WASP term lets me trot out this old dog:
The WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire is evil and it must be dislodged from power in the USA.
I will say that the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is a good representative for the WASPs and Shelly Adelson is a good representative for the Jews when you are talking about the WASP/JEW ruling class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant#Etymology
I think at various times it was used like bourgeois and could apply to Jews, Catholics or anyone else willing to fit in at the golf club and not stick out. Maybe like preppy.
That flattened loaf of bread is positively dowdy compared to holes like this:
It’s more evocative of this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff/lossy-page1-1280px-Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff.jpgReplies: @syonredux, @Charles Pewitt
Sleepy Hollow is a rare case of a town that changed its name for I guess what you’d call public relations purposes. It had been known as North Tarrytown, but after its economy took a big hit in the 1990’s with the closing of a GM assembly plant the residents voted to change the name as a means of boosting their spirits.
There’s actually some old local precedent. In the early 20th Century, the town of Sing Sing several miles to the north changed its name to Ossining, to avoid being too closely identified with its most famous local institution.
Hell, I've seen planeloads of Japanese tourists headed to Halifax or PEI, one, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Anne of Green Gables Like they can really get anything out of the book as translated into Japanese! I haven't even read it in English - it sounds too much to me like Anne Frank's Diary as written in a less stressful situation in a different attic where at least the owners recycle.Replies: @George
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Correctional_Institution_%E2%80%93_Cedar_JunctionReplies: @prosa123
1999 of golf course architecture (Sand Hills) was 1977 in music (Sex Pistols). Or before and after Elvis.
Pete Dye was doing his work which everyone respects. Compare TPC Sawgrass when bulit to today.
Check out Keith Foster’s work. He has two publics in outer Chicagoland and has redid Knollwood. He also did a great job at Philadelphia Cricket.
But your basic point stands – WASPy values are outcompeting the Al Czervick real estate notions in golf.
There's actually some old local precedent. In the early 20th Century, the town of Sing Sing several miles to the north changed its name to Ossining, to avoid being too closely identified with its most famous local institution.Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Achmed E. Newman, @Brutusale
Did not know that about Ossining! I’d always assumed in was some sort of red Indian name and that the prison was named after the locality.
Rockefeller=German
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=Dutch
Cornelius Vanderbilt's mother's maiden name was Hand, and his wife's maiden name was Johnson...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor's wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
His son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @Flip, @sayless
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchBy 1911, I should think that the Dutch and German blood was running a tad thin….John D Rockefeller’s mother’s maiden name was Davison….And his grandmother’s maiden name was Avery…"Lucy Avery was born to Miles Avery and Melinda Pixley, New England Yankees of mostly English descent. She was descended by her father from Edmund of Langley’s first marriage (through 5th Baron Audley’s second marriage)[2] and from Mary Boleyn’s first marriage (through the 2nd Barons de la Warr"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller_Sr.Cornelius Vanderbilt’s mother’s maiden name was Hand, and his wife’s maiden name was Johnson…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor’s wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_AstorHis son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong…..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @HunInTheSun, @Reg Cæsar
One thing that I as a Black guy has observed in the West is that women in the west would love to have babies but they prefer Black and Arab men nowadays. White “man” cannot compete with Black Men or other Men of Color in the sexual marketplace. Men of Color are strong creative disciplined athletic and have fought their whole lives white men are weak dull effeminate clumsy and play video games Is it any wonder that white girls crave Black Men?
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE “CONSERVATIVES” HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.
thank you Tiny Bluck!
I’m baffled at the dichotomy you present though, you’re proud to be black but applaud not having a black partner. In fact you seem to view it as some sort of accomplishment. How do you propose the black race in your corner of the world will continue? How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race? It’s as if the Nazis went out and married Chinese women.Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @sayless, @Thirdtwin
“I always wanted to pretend to be a golf-course architect.”.
WASP-Castanza
Normal George Castanza”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0B7cedjqc
There's actually some old local precedent. In the early 20th Century, the town of Sing Sing several miles to the north changed its name to Ossining, to avoid being too closely identified with its most famous local institution.Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Achmed E. Newman, @Brutusale
I would guess it was more for tourism reasons. Maybe not kids today, but everyone I knew had read about the “Legend of Sleepy Hollow”. It does not take much more than that to bring in guests to bed and breakfasts, even if it IS actually North Tarrytown, NY.
Hell, I’ve seen planeloads of Japanese tourists headed to Halifax or PEI, one, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Anne of Green Gables Like they can really get anything out of the book as translated into Japanese! I haven’t even read it in English – it sounds too much to me like Anne Frank’s Diary as written in a less stressful situation in a different attic where at least the owners recycle.
Resurrecting a Legend // Town Debates Name Change to Sleepy Hollow
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/resurrecting-a-legend-town-debates-name-change-to-sleepy-hollow/article_938b2984-9788-5d19-8595-9fa84c2afa70.html
Washington Irving, author of the tale of Sleepy Hollow, was buried in the area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Irving
As an author Irving had 2 great advantages. He got into the ground floor of writing about the new nation, the US. He was from New York, so he had the center of American and world publishing repeating his name a lot.Replies: @middle aged vet . . .
Please do a post on miniature golf course design. How would you compare Castle Golf’s courses to Adventure Golf Services’s? Is it worth it to travel down under to do a tour of Mini Golf Creations courses? Has Harris Miniature Golf Services overtaken Miniature Golf Solutions in the windmill realm? Lomma Miniature Golf vs. Micro-Golf? Horwath Golf vs. MGC?
LOL. I don't want to mention what I'm thinking of when I have to stop so golf carts can cross the road in Griffith Park.
The World Cup is on, talk about something that matters. WCWS is a healthy, all-American event; it's sloppy but that's part of the charm. Who cares about golf?
As it should be.
I still like the idea of Urban Golf, a sort of greatly scaled up Putt-Putt with new attractions (use your imagination on the stuff where the hole is) and new terms like “tapping” and “banging”. If Koreans could take over black hair care, they could do ok with this.
Kind of amusing to bring up the name Macdonald while talking about an example of subconscious white ethnocentrism. However, as with classical music, there’s a fair number of orientals into golf as well. Relative to other non-whites, orientals seems to be interested in quite a lot of aspects of WASP culture. Besides golf and classical music, they’re also into elite motor racing, certain types of western rock music (like theatrical British heavy metal from the 70s and 80s) “chocolate box” English culture and architecture, Doc Martins, malt whiskey and horse racing.
We recently got back from the Trump Hotel in Ayrshire; friendliest staff I’ve seen in the UK and to quote one reviewer “love him or hate him, Trump really knows his golf.”
The Drumpfs do not hail from Saxony (just checked somewhere around Stuttgart) so to be fair WASP should stand for “Anglo-Scottish” since the Scots really outdid the Sassenach.
I’ve said it before and will again: Steve is best qualified to write the complete book of golf. Everything conceivable inside and out. From its beginnings and superstars, to the caddies and lowly ranked PGA qualifiers, and everything in between. Including things that aren’t readily considered and backstories about some of golf’s legendary and not so legendary players.
Golf isn’t just a passionate obsession; it’s a way of life, and one that includes other things. While at first glance they may not appear directly related to the 18 holes, as one notices something on the periphery and ties it together to fit into the whole, the larger pattern becomes clearer and clearer.
Therefore, The Complete Book of Golf (coffee table sized, along with some glossy pictures) would be an amazing book by Steve. Strengths, highlights, indepth, warts and all. If marketed correctly with direct imput from the PGA among others, many aficionados would eagerly purchase it. To properly convey the scope of a global sport, this task would have to run about 750 pages, but it would be well worth the price. The reward for the reader? The opportunity to better understand a sport that has captivated many men of various backgrounds from world leaders to weekend warriors.
It’d be well worth the read.
So if the flagstick is on the front left of the green and you have the misfortune of putting your tee shot on the ridge behind the punchbowl, I guess you’re taking out your 64-degree wedge and hitting a high lob. Replace your divots boys and girls.
https://www.pebblebeach.com/content/uploads/pbgl-7thhole-wave-bartkeagy-1-1820x1024.jpg
It's more evocative of this:
http://1ikiyc29j36n1ruyz7aif6v1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/greenmaker/dscf1537.jpgReplies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux
I hit a 9-iron to 8 feet in 1973.
Missed the birdie putt.
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
You have ruined my week, nay, my year good sir. Quick question, is your wife over 15 stone? If so, all is right in the world and I can return to normalcy.
And the teeth. And the adults eating candy bars while walking on the street.
The accents were really great though, and I can totally see falling for a non-fat English girl.Replies: @syonredux, @unpc downunder
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
“I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE “CONSERVATIVES” HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.”
thank you Tiny Bluck!
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
Good to hear. Stupid white chicks having babies with black men will help improve the iq of both races.
I have had several girlfriends over the years tell me (without me asking) that they would never even consider having sex with a negro.
These were educated, intelligent women. And certainly not racist in the sense that they disliked negroes in general. They were just repulsed by the thought of having sex with a negro.Replies: @Black Panther
That hole was “designed” by someone who never golfed. Perhaps video games were zhe thing.
I remember a low end golf course next to where I worked at Rockwell decades ago. I used to go to the bar at lunch time for a meal and a beer before returning to work. I could rub shoulders with upper management who themselves were thowing back a couple pints before toddering off to building bombers for the military.
I also watched the golfers tank up on beer and god knows what else before jumping on their go carts to play a few rounds with their equally pickled partners. We hourly workers used to talk about the functions of golf clubs and came to the conclusion it was just a great place to get wasted.
I would expect that if your ball goes into the cup on this hole, that it disappears for good and your round is over.
Actually, Macdonald won the first US Amateur in 1895. But, yeah, this newly restored hole looks …
Tommy's Honour is the inspirational, powerfully moving tale of the real-life father-son team who foundered the modern game of golf.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B06ZYC7352/ref=atv_wtlp_wtl_5Replies: @Chriscom, @Danindc
I’ll take this version of the seventh at Pebble over the current one.
I love the new ethos of golf (I detested the attention Tiger Woods brought to “my” sport), but don’t care for the style that has come along with it.
Is there a “before” picture?
ot Malcom Gladwell has spent at least 10,000 hours writing , where’s his proof of his assertion?
Haha! I haven’t been to England in 20 years, but back then the thing that surprised me was how fat the women were.
And the teeth. And the adults eating candy bars while walking on the street.
The accents were really great though, and I can totally see falling for a non-fat English girl.
Another round of golf course Rorschach? I keep thinking Sailer is dead. But maybe it’s more that he might as well be.
There’s a link at the end of the post to a page at Golf Club Atlas and you can scroll down to the Before version of the 16th hole. For some reason I can’t link directly to the picture.
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/images/Sleepy16pr.jpgEdit: interesting, it opened fine in Chrome, but won't embed here. Should be able to copy the link address and open from that.
OT:
This Ferrari just became the most expensive car ever sold
A 1963 Ferrari GTO was sold for $70 million.
It is thought to be the highest price ever paid for a car.
Sources said the car was sold by a German collector to David MacNeil, the founder of WeatherTech.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/this-ferrari-just-became-the-most-expensive-car-ever-sold.html
It’s time to revive sumptuary taxes.
Secondly, their manufacturing is here in the USA. Everybody on this board complains about off-shoring, but here’s a guy who made the decision to keep his manufacturing in this country and employ American workers.
Why do you begrudge him the enjoyment of the fruits of his labor, creativity, and investment? Envy is a terrible thing.
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
hey, Tiny Duck, you have a friend
In the USA, Angl0-Saxons and Scots are a distinction without a difference.
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchReplies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @LondonBob
By 1911, I should think that the Dutch and German blood was running a tad thin….
John D Rockefeller’s mother’s maiden name was Davis….And his grandmother’s maiden name was Avery…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller_Sr.
Cornelius Vanderbilt’s mother’s maiden name was Hand, and his wife’s maiden name was Johnson…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Vanderbilt
John Jacob Astor’s wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
His son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.
The purpose of golf was to give a man an hour or three away from phones, away from the wife and the office. That’s why it was popular amongst the people that it was popular amongst. With pagers and then mobile phones, golf is a shell of what it once was. What golf used to do, videogames now do – headphones on, and the world is a thousand miles away.
And the teeth. And the adults eating candy bars while walking on the street.
The accents were really great though, and I can totally see falling for a non-fat English girl.Replies: @syonredux, @unpc downunder
Avoid Essex at all costs.
If you view the page source (search for “pre-rest”) you can get the image link. I think this is the right one:
Edit: interesting, it opened fine in Chrome, but won’t embed here. Should be able to copy the link address and open from that.
WASP-Castanza
Normal George Castanza":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_hOP_K6MYReplies: @syonredux
Art Vandelay
Everyone in the world, still watches the numerous tournaments in the USA.
What’s not to love?: young against old, country against country. Golf...can’t even, be ever egalitarian, oh…but it ifails, wrose. There will still be way too many fights at cocktail hour…but perhaps, that is the remote directors arguing with the ones who sit in trailers/broadcast rigs.
https://www.pebblebeach.com/content/uploads/pbgl-7thhole-wave-bartkeagy-1-1820x1024.jpg
It's more evocative of this:
http://1ikiyc29j36n1ruyz7aif6v1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/gallery/greenmaker/dscf1537.jpgReplies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux
On the other hand, they’ve got a pretty nice clubhouse:
Anyway, Sailer should host a keg party on the portico. Two kegs. One on the porch and one on the roof.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff/lossy-page1-1280px-Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff.jpgReplies: @syonredux, @Charles Pewitt
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Burg_Hohenzollern_ak.jpg
No THAT would be a Clubhouse...Replies: @syonredux
Great post, more on this topic please. Well-designed golf courses are a visual delight.
Tommy’s Honour. I put this on my watchlist on Amazon. Seen it, Steve? Any good or fun?
Tommy’s Honour is the inspirational, powerfully moving tale of the real-life father-son team who foundered the modern game of golf.
Golf is from Gaelic Scotland, not Anglo-Saxon England.
And Clan MacDonald is Catholic.
So W, but neither AS nor P.
Nice try, though.
I guess you WASPs will have to find something else to be proud of.
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchReplies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @LondonBob
(corrected a typo)
Rockefeller=German
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=Dutch
By 1911, I should think that the Dutch and German blood was running a tad thin….
John D Rockefeller’s mother’s maiden name was Davison….And his grandmother’s maiden name was Avery…
“Lucy Avery was born to Miles Avery and Melinda Pixley, New England Yankees of mostly English descent. She was descended by her father from Edmund of Langley’s first marriage (through 5th Baron Audley’s second marriage)[2] and from Mary Boleyn’s first marriage (through the 2nd Barons de la Warr”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller_Sr.
Cornelius Vanderbilt’s mother’s maiden name was Hand, and his wife’s maiden name was Johnson…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Vanderbilt
John Jacob Astor’s wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
His son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.
Jay Leno is an Italian-Scottish mix. As are the many Scots with Italian surnames-- remember Lena Zavaroni (RIP)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2uvAtFo-IReplies: @syonredux
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
My condolences.
Perhaps our time will in fifty years be known as the Era of the Robber Jew.
Well, it’s just a stereotype that Fat White women date Black men. My woman is not at all fat. She is 29, 5 feet 8, athletic and very beautiful. In fact, my stepmother is a White Woman and she used to work in Italy as a Model , where she met my dad and they had 3 children together.
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchReplies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @LondonBob
Went to boarding school with an Astor girl, from the branch that upped sticks from NY and moved to Britain.
And the teeth. And the adults eating candy bars while walking on the street.
The accents were really great though, and I can totally see falling for a non-fat English girl.Replies: @syonredux, @unpc downunder
These kinds of national generalisations are pretty meaningless. Where in Britain did you visit? Most differences in dental care and obesity are determined by class/income/race rather than nationality. For example, some poor states in the US have the highest obesity rates in the western world, while some SWPL states like Colorado have lower rates than most European countries. Similarly, working class people throughout the West have pretty bad teeth, while most middle-class westerners have good teeth. If you think the Brits are bad, visit New Zealand and check out the teeth of working class Maoris.
Pete Dye was doing his work which everyone respects. Compare TPC Sawgrass when bulit to today.
Check out Keith Foster's work. He has two publics in outer Chicagoland and has redid Knollwood. He also did a great job at Philadelphia Cricket.
But your basic point stands - WASPy values are outcompeting the Al Czervick real estate notions in golf.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Very few new golf courses are being built, so architects are scratching to get renovation jobs. This usually works from the top down with the old money courses having the most resources, while the lousier courses are going out of business.
In California, lots of owners of marginal golf courses are announcing that the Drought compels them, environmentalistically, to plow up their crummy golf course and build housing on it. I’m not sure that the water math really works out, but it seems more effective at getting permission to build on golf courses, which in the past was hard to get. So maybe all the Chinese Communist Party flight capital that went into California golf courses five years will pay off. (In contrast the South Korean money that went into LA golf courses 15 years ago usually hit a brick wall at getting authorization to convert to housing.)
McConnell is literally in bed with shady elements of a Chines bent and nobody says boo. Something is rotten in the great state of Kentucky.
I know Blankenship lost, but he has balls:
https://twitter.com/DonBlankenship/status/1003072897093693442
Old fogy though I may be, I'm no dummy. Only the pros are gaining the distances from the new $500-$1000 drivers (street prices, exotic shafts, extra). You and I know a million guys that try to buy a game with new equipment, but you and I also know that I and all my duffer ilk drove it 230-260 with Persimmon and same for any recent-release 'latest-greatest' driver. You're a scratch shooter, or close, so I won't speak for you. I also know my 710 AP2 Irons are longer than my older forged KZGs only because the lofts are more aggressive on the AP2. My gear has to be seriously shot before I buy new, I always say it's my last set ever, but they do die in 10 or 12 years. Few will admit it, but it ain't your clubs holding your scores up, heh..
But the club makers simply cannot resist temptation: Guys try to buy game and that means buying clubs. Pity the game is ruled by the club makers. It's wrecked an awful lot of the old courses that can't be replaced with 'renovations' or especially, new. I played a couple of courses around DC that were classics (Congressional had room to go long), that were historic and intimate that no longer host tourny's. Compare them to the newly 'renovated' TPC in Potomac or that Arnold Palmer abomination at Dominion Valley out in Haymarket that Toll Brothers put up in the early 2000s and it pretty much tells the tale. The land means little, just trick it up a little, open it back up..Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
Was visiting some grad school friends in San Diego the past few days, and Thursday shot up to Diamond Bar to see one of AnotherMom's cousins. Took 15--what a nightmare. Got out a little late, but still before rush hour. In the middle of nowhere at 3 o'clock we're in a rolling stop-n-go backup. Temecula complete grid-lock.
Republicans need to start fighting for actual Americans.
Marketing tip: Label the Democrats the "the traffic congestion party".
Democrats want to:
-- open the borders and jam ever more people into the country
-- but are against building roads
-- and instead spend all your tax money--and raise taxes further--to pay for all the "social programs", schools, welfare, food-stamps and medical care of foreigners, too poor, too low-skilled to pay
Voting for Democrats is a vote for traffic congestion.
Did your dad and his lovely bride retire to Wakanda?
Cornelius Vanderbilt's mother's maiden name was Hand, and his wife's maiden name was Johnson...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor's wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
His son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @Flip, @sayless
That’s kind of the point. “WASP” = Generic NW European Protestant.
They’ve come a long way from a German butcher…
I got this from Quillette today. They made it to number 1, 2,022 patrons, $8,623/month.
Is Patreon nonpersoning writers from Unz? It seems like the lowest friction way for readers to donate, since it is so popular.
Yep. Andrew Jackson and John Adams; Sam Houston and Ulysses Grant Phyllis Schlafly and William F. Buckley: pairs virtually indistinguishable in every way….
Tommy's Honour is the inspirational, powerfully moving tale of the real-life father-son team who foundered the modern game of golf.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B06ZYC7352/ref=atv_wtlp_wtl_5Replies: @Chriscom, @Danindc
More good than fun. A bit uneven as a movie but if you’re a historically minded golfer, a must-see.
Tommy's Honour is the inspirational, powerfully moving tale of the real-life father-son team who foundered the modern game of golf.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B06ZYC7352/ref=atv_wtlp_wtl_5Replies: @Chriscom, @Danindc
I reviewed this movie. Absolutely terrible. Negative 5 stars.
Not making this up… Two nights ago I dreamed I was at the muni I grew up playing and it had been remodeled. One of the new holes was a short par 3 with a bunker circling the green. What does this mean?
It's good, Anon 328, it's all good. You are moving towards your goal, but there are obstacles.
How do you get onto the green of that 16th hole? Is there a grass ramp on the water side, or do you walk through the sand and up the berm?
Hell, I've seen planeloads of Japanese tourists headed to Halifax or PEI, one, to celebrate the 100th anniversary of Anne of Green Gables Like they can really get anything out of the book as translated into Japanese! I haven't even read it in English - it sounds too much to me like Anne Frank's Diary as written in a less stressful situation in a different attic where at least the owners recycle.Replies: @George
At the time there was an anti ‘Sleepy Hollow’ faction of ‘working class’ residents who liked North Tarrytown’s blue collar heritage. When GM closed the auto plant that was gone and the wealth NYC transplants had no opposition. I think the author of the
Resurrecting a Legend // Town Debates Name Change to Sleepy Hollow
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/resurrecting-a-legend-town-debates-name-change-to-sleepy-hollow/article_938b2984-9788-5d19-8595-9fa84c2afa70.html
Washington Irving, author of the tale of Sleepy Hollow, was buried in the area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Irving
As an author Irving had 2 great advantages. He got into the ground floor of writing about the new nation, the US. He was from New York, so he had the center of American and world publishing repeating his name a lot.
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We’re there now. Even Larry David notices their depravity. Everyone notices, few express the truth yet.
Some Lowland Scots are Teutonic, I think I read somewhere. Trumpy’s Scottish mother might be Scandinavian instead of Celtic. Trumpy’s mom was from the Isle of Lewis and she was a MacLeod. Scottish guy Van Morrison has a song called Scandinavia, for what it’s worth.
I understand the WASP term to be more specific, and others do as well. The Anglo-Saxon part is important and Scandinavians and Celts don’t seem to fit.
On my father’s side I have Saxon surnames, Celtic surnames and Norman surnames, and I never thought of my father as a WASP.
When I use the WASP term I mean Ivy league, New Englander, Anglo-Saxon types. I mean the Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Midwestern Portland to Portland WASP continuum.
The Bush family has Yorkshire origins, and they may have Scandinavian Viking ancestry, they certainly have other blood besides Anglo-Saxon, but I will list them as WASPs for purposes of description.
Most of the people I have met with English ancestry are wonderful and patriotic people, I wouldn’t call them WASPs.
WASPs make up a small percentage of the people of English ancestry in the USA.
The WASP term lets me trot out this old dog:
The WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire is evil and it must be dislodged from power in the USA.
I will say that the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate is a good representative for the WASPs and Shelly Adelson is a good representative for the Jews when you are talking about the WASP/JEW ruling class.
LOL, active fantasy life you’ve got there. Oh, and tell us about your flying car and bullet proof leotard while you’re here.
China boy Mitch McConnell has made big loot helping out the Chinese Communist military and naval forces, I don’t see why he won’t make it easier for Chinese Communists to do what they want in California.
McConnell is literally in bed with shady elements of a Chines bent and nobody says boo. Something is rotten in the great state of Kentucky.
I know Blankenship lost, but he has balls:
Yeah, but Steve, looks to me that no matter the renovation, the new kids bombing their new drivers 350-400+ yards means the clubs are running out of space to grow400-450-yard 4s. Members HATE tour events being settled at 20-24-under after all, it makes their club look weak. And so a renovation now consists of, to my eye, tricking up the tee-boxes, narrowing fairways and building multi-tiered greens with ridiculous slope and Stimp that would impress a Putt-Putt Golf Center. While it makes it palatable to the PGA Tour and difficult for the touring pros, it renders your home course a nightmare for the members.
Old fogy though I may be, I’m no dummy. Only the pros are gaining the distances from the new $500-$1000 drivers (street prices, exotic shafts, extra). You and I know a million guys that try to buy a game with new equipment, but you and I also know that I and all my duffer ilk drove it 230-260 with Persimmon and same for any recent-release ‘latest-greatest’ driver. You’re a scratch shooter, or close, so I won’t speak for you. I also know my 710 AP2 Irons are longer than my older forged KZGs only because the lofts are more aggressive on the AP2. My gear has to be seriously shot before I buy new, I always say it’s my last set ever, but they do die in 10 or 12 years. Few will admit it, but it ain’t your clubs holding your scores up, heh..
But the club makers simply cannot resist temptation: Guys try to buy game and that means buying clubs. Pity the game is ruled by the club makers. It’s wrecked an awful lot of the old courses that can’t be replaced with ‘renovations’ or especially, new. I played a couple of courses around DC that were classics (Congressional had room to go long), that were historic and intimate that no longer host tourny’s. Compare them to the newly ‘renovated’ TPC in Potomac or that Arnold Palmer abomination at Dominion Valley out in Haymarket that Toll Brothers put up in the early 2000s and it pretty much tells the tale. The land means little, just trick it up a little, open it back up..
I agree with you that the equipment is ruining the game by making grand old courses obsolete. My home course is a grand old Donald Ross affair at which Sam Snead held the course record - they renovated it to take out a lot of trees and open the course, and there are rumors and whispers that the course record has been broken despite an unwillingness to acknowledge such an event.
OT- Hey Steve, you may have heard that a 1963 Ferrari GTO just sold for 70 million. It was sold to the Canadian born owner of Weather Tech, the maker of high end car mats.
He came out on the 24thof May announcing that he will refuse to fund any politician that won’t pledge to help fix DACA because he personally has affected employees.
Apparently he was a big Trump donor.
I suppose it’s hard to spend 70 million on a car with illegals to help keep wages down.
Oh, to make it extra iStevey, he’s Chicago based. He’s in league with John Rowe, ex CEO of Exelon who has also made the same pledge.
Exelon, the Chicago based utility, was among Obama’s biggest donors in his early campaigns.
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
I’m Black. Seems like a simple math problem in your case. There are few blacks in your area and since cultural taboos against interracial marriage in the Anglo world have dropped, you and your brothers are more likely to marry white.
I’m baffled at the dichotomy you present though, you’re proud to be black but applaud not having a black partner. In fact you seem to view it as some sort of accomplishment. How do you propose the black race in your corner of the world will continue? How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race? It’s as if the Nazis went out and married Chinese women.
He never said he wasn't also perpetuating the black race. In fact, he's probably got more black kids than mixed kids.
Meh; its fine so far as it goes in aspiring to a sort of English Aristocrat Country Manor aesthetic. But if you’re a Robber Baron, why not go whole hog in appropriating European symbols of absolute power?
No THAT would be a Clubhouse…
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchBy 1911, I should think that the Dutch and German blood was running a tad thin….John D Rockefeller’s mother’s maiden name was Davison….And his grandmother’s maiden name was Avery…"Lucy Avery was born to Miles Avery and Melinda Pixley, New England Yankees of mostly English descent. She was descended by her father from Edmund of Langley’s first marriage (through 5th Baron Audley’s second marriage)[2] and from Mary Boleyn’s first marriage (through the 2nd Barons de la Warr"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller_Sr.Cornelius Vanderbilt’s mother’s maiden name was Hand, and his wife’s maiden name was Johnson…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor’s wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_AstorHis son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong…..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @HunInTheSun, @Reg Cæsar
The blood of Continental Germans and Dutch is not ‘thinned’ by Anglo-Saxons, all of these are solid West Germanics, who in any combination are the source of pretty much everything that is modern and good.
Especially baffling, Ed, because in Wakanda they’ve historically been so great at envisioning the consequences of their actions three or four steps down the line, and studiously deferring gratification in the present for abstract returns in the future. ‘Tis a puzzlement.
During the Industrial Revolution, Church of Scotland actively promote golf as an wholesome alternative method of spending money for the newly prosperous man to whores and tavern. You can even say it’s a conspiracy.
Old fogy though I may be, I'm no dummy. Only the pros are gaining the distances from the new $500-$1000 drivers (street prices, exotic shafts, extra). You and I know a million guys that try to buy a game with new equipment, but you and I also know that I and all my duffer ilk drove it 230-260 with Persimmon and same for any recent-release 'latest-greatest' driver. You're a scratch shooter, or close, so I won't speak for you. I also know my 710 AP2 Irons are longer than my older forged KZGs only because the lofts are more aggressive on the AP2. My gear has to be seriously shot before I buy new, I always say it's my last set ever, but they do die in 10 or 12 years. Few will admit it, but it ain't your clubs holding your scores up, heh..
But the club makers simply cannot resist temptation: Guys try to buy game and that means buying clubs. Pity the game is ruled by the club makers. It's wrecked an awful lot of the old courses that can't be replaced with 'renovations' or especially, new. I played a couple of courses around DC that were classics (Congressional had room to go long), that were historic and intimate that no longer host tourny's. Compare them to the newly 'renovated' TPC in Potomac or that Arnold Palmer abomination at Dominion Valley out in Haymarket that Toll Brothers put up in the early 2000s and it pretty much tells the tale. The land means little, just trick it up a little, open it back up..Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
I was going to mention TPC Potomac as the way of the future – long, skinny fairways guarded by trees which just happens to reduce the water requirements of the course while accommodating the new juiced balls and clubs. This seems to be the only way to really keep costs under control for the upper middle class golfer. There would be lots of room for bungalows and housing to sell too.
I agree with you that the equipment is ruining the game by making grand old courses obsolete. My home course is a grand old Donald Ross affair at which Sam Snead held the course record – they renovated it to take out a lot of trees and open the course, and there are rumors and whispers that the course record has been broken despite an unwillingness to acknowledge such an event.
There's actually some old local precedent. In the early 20th Century, the town of Sing Sing several miles to the north changed its name to Ossining, to avoid being too closely identified with its most famous local institution.Replies: @PV van der Byl, @Achmed E. Newman, @Brutusale
The People’s Commonwealth of Massachusetts’ maximum security prison was know for years as MCI-Walpole after the town it’s located in. Its name now makes it sound like a holiday camp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Correctional_Institution_%E2%80%93_Cedar_Junction
Steve is #2 after Dan Jenkins. Even Steve will admit that.
I’m baffled at the dichotomy you present though, you’re proud to be black but applaud not having a black partner. In fact you seem to view it as some sort of accomplishment. How do you propose the black race in your corner of the world will continue? How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race? It’s as if the Nazis went out and married Chinese women.Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @sayless, @Thirdtwin
I dunno about you, but that sentence to me screams: “I am a serious, thoughtful commentator who makes elucidated and meaningful additions and am not in any way an absurdist caricature that’s just trolling for the lulz.”
Have to account for environmental factors. Was Jackson different from WASPs who came from the same Back Country environment? From what I’ve read, no.Ditto for Houston. As for Buckley, he came from an Irish Catholic background:
http://ethnicelebs.com/william-f-buckley-jr
And Irish Catholics actually are different from WASPs. And in very, very profound ways….
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Burg_Hohenzollern_ak.jpg
No THAT would be a Clubhouse...Replies: @syonredux
Too LARPy.
Yep.
Part of the Waldorf Astor line?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_Astor,_2nd_Viscount_Astor
And Clan MacDonald is Catholic.
So W, but neither AS nor P.
Nice try, though.
I guess you WASPs will have to find something else to be proud of.Replies: @syonredux, @Seth Largo, @Anonymous
Dunno.This doesn’t sound all that Gaelic to me:
Was Charles Blair Macdonald Catholic?
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots
McGivens became Givens, wonder if they were Kraut low landers. They became the Scotch-Irish I guess. Who knows?
Never much cared for the term “robber baron.” It implies that men like Rockefeller and Carnegie were takers, not builders. In reality, they built the industries that made the USA a great power.
OT: NYC to end single-test admission to its 8 specialized high schools, model 45% offers of admission for blacks and hispanics (compared to 9% currently), 62% for female students (compared to 44% currently; no indication of whether identifying as female a opposed to biological indicators will count towards the goal). East- South Asians Suffer Most.
My godson is a freshman at Stuyvesant. He’ll be out before its totally watered down. I have kids 2 to 9, but eventually they will totally balance every public schools in NYC. As Steve has often said, there won’t be enough white kids left to balance with:
http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/281-18/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-plan-improve-diversity-specialized-high/#/0
But they may be able to expand the current Black & Hispanic enrollment to 20% via current diversity initiatives.
Not just a friend, but a black friend!
FWIW, Wikipedia says WASP is a made up term from the 1950s as an attempt to come up with a word for Wealthy Protestant or White Protestant. The W might have originally meant Wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant#Etymology
I think at various times it was used like bourgeois and could apply to Jews, Catholics or anyone else willing to fit in at the golf club and not stick out. Maybe like preppy.
Apr 8, 2015 – Lowland Scots (Scottish Gaelic: Sassenachs), also simply Lowlanders, are a predominantly Germanic ethnic group in Scotland, descended …
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Lowland_Scots
McGivens became Givens, wonder if they were Kraut low landers. They became the Scotch-Irish I guess. Who knows?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff/lossy-page1-1280px-Woodlea_in_Briarcliff_Manor.tiff.jpgReplies: @syonredux, @Charles Pewitt
Granite trim and sandstone? Or is it beige brick?
Anyway, Sailer should host a keg party on the portico. Two kegs. One on the porch and one on the roof.
OT https://www.rt.com/uk/428678-gender-neutral-uniform-skirts/
Now you know what the smart set will be wearing, although maybe not on the playing fields of Eton.
Near Sawrey, the Lake District village where Beatrix Potter lived and where some of her books are set, is awash with Japanese tourists in summer. Something about that ordered, scenic, turn of the century world seems to appeal.
There’s even a replica of Beatrix Potter’s house in Tokyo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-24625202
if golf is the closest that WASPS can come to an ethnic pride parade….. then i’m going to start investing in sub-saharan restaurants in England
Steve, can you review my recipe for pickled ears-of-albino-infant? I need the favorable publicity that your hechsher provides
OT NPR has a new show where Alec Baldwin schmoozes Amy Schumer. Start of the show: “[my on-stage persona is a privileged racist whitegirl,]” later “[I had to leave Southern California in part because of anti-Semitism.]” The rest of the material inspires thoughts that would not make it through the moderation.
Cornelius Vanderbilt's mother's maiden name was Hand, and his wife's maiden name was Johnson...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor's wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor
His son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @Flip, @sayless
For Trump’s entrances they should play Scotland The Brave.
“What does this mean?”
It’s good, Anon 328, it’s all good. You are moving towards your goal, but there are obstacles.
I’m baffled at the dichotomy you present though, you’re proud to be black but applaud not having a black partner. In fact you seem to view it as some sort of accomplishment. How do you propose the black race in your corner of the world will continue? How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race? It’s as if the Nazis went out and married Chinese women.Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @sayless, @Thirdtwin
Agree. The post seemed to me to be insulting to black women.
Jackson’s parents were Ulster Irish Protestants who emigrated to the United States, so he was more Scots-Irish Borderer than Anglo Virginia Cavalier both in breeding and in environment.
As near a I can tell, the Scots and English in the Border country were, in terms of culture, indistinguishable.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Correctional_Institution_%E2%80%93_Cedar_JunctionReplies: @prosa123
A similar euphemistic renaming happened in New Jersey. To mollify town residents Rahway State Prison became East Jersey State Prison. Though I suppose the citizens of Rahway had _some_ reason to complain, as the prison is actually just over the line in a neighboring town.
Yet there’s a reverse case of sorts near the Canadian border in far upstate New York where a huge prison literally looms over the small town of Dannemora. While it’s officially Clinton Correctional Facility, after the county in which it is located, town residents are happy to call it Dannemora. What might help matters is that the prison is one of the region’s major employers.
Come to think of it, isn’t there an actual town of San Quentin?
Great. Just great.
Was visiting some grad school friends in San Diego the past few days, and Thursday shot up to Diamond Bar to see one of AnotherMom’s cousins. Took 15–what a nightmare. Got out a little late, but still before rush hour. In the middle of nowhere at 3 o’clock we’re in a rolling stop-n-go backup. Temecula complete grid-lock.
Republicans need to start fighting for actual Americans.
Marketing tip: Label the Democrats the “the traffic congestion party”.
Democrats want to:
— open the borders and jam ever more people into the country
— but are against building roads
— and instead spend all your tax money–and raise taxes further–to pay for all the “social programs”, schools, welfare, food-stamps and medical care of foreigners, too poor, too low-skilled to pay
Voting for Democrats is a vote for traffic congestion.
And Clan MacDonald is Catholic.
So W, but neither AS nor P.
Nice try, though.
I guess you WASPs will have to find something else to be proud of.Replies: @syonredux, @Seth Largo, @Anonymous
I really get a kick out of the NW Euro in-fighting. I suppose it still made some sense when Beowulf was being written, but today, and especially in the U.S., it has all the shallowness of an America vs. Canada debate.
Resurrecting a Legend // Town Debates Name Change to Sleepy Hollow
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/resurrecting-a-legend-town-debates-name-change-to-sleepy-hollow/article_938b2984-9788-5d19-8595-9fa84c2afa70.html
Washington Irving, author of the tale of Sleepy Hollow, was buried in the area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Irving
As an author Irving had 2 great advantages. He got into the ground floor of writing about the new nation, the US. He was from New York, so he had the center of American and world publishing repeating his name a lot.Replies: @middle aged vet . . .
Both Pushkin and Dickens, the greatest literary geniuses of their generations, liberally borrowed from Washington Irving (Dickens for Irving’s magnanimous Christmas scenes, imagine Terry Redlin or that “painter of light” guy – Thomas Kincaid or Kinkade – had they been born a 100 years earlier; and Pushkin for some reason any competent Slavic scholar will tell you (not me, though, I am not a scholar and would have to look it up)).
Back on the subject, I will be happy when they bring back a golf course like the one pictured on the cover of Perry Como’s immortal 1950s LP, COMO SWINGS …. Krazy Kat and Ignatz meet BOBBY JONES! Great stuff. Sometimes I think of that cover when I am practicing an Extreme Fade – left or right, it doesn’t matter – with my good old 2 iron !!!
On topic
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/insufficient-numbers-of-seasonal-workers-under-h-2b-visa-program-an-issue-for-course-operators/ar-AAybCfr
OT
a big slice of unrainbow cake for everyone today.
This Ferrari just became the most expensive car ever sold
A 1963 Ferrari GTO was sold for $70 million.
It is thought to be the highest price ever paid for a car.
Sources said the car was sold by a German collector to David MacNeil, the founder of WeatherTech.https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/this-ferrari-just-became-the-most-expensive-car-ever-sold.html
It's time to revive sumptuary taxes.Replies: @AnotherDad, @FPD72
Stupid … and boring. You could buy a golf course–several of them!–for that.
BP, oh yeah, and Serena Williams is a svelte 5′-10″ and 150 pounds. I have a long background in food festivals and I see white heifers with black dudes all the time. You can have our scraps, but pleaseeeee, don’t breed with them.
Pat Riley’s 1-iron is for sale.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Rare-NM-Macgregor-Custom-R58-1-iron-Pat-Riley-Lakers/123163415436?hash=item1cad1c938c:g:0cUAAOSwdkZbDzBl:sc:USPSPriority!94132!US!-1
OT AMLO scares off investors
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/investors-are-running-away-from-mexico-stocks-as-amlo-lead-grows.html
AMLO in a coalition would be ideal, but the fear is that he will win in a landslide and be able to bring in radical changes.
Brutal cartoon. Mexicans are very aware of the Venezuelan situation.
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/174049895#p174051049
Hey Flanders :
“Mercy is for the weak Tod .”
OT: If I could dream up a way for prog Dems to chase Asians to the GOP side, I’d start with this:
https://nypost.com/2018/06/03/de-blasios-plan-to-destroy-new-yorks-top-high-schools/
Ruining Stuyvesant HS, Bronx Science and BK Tech just to please his dudgeon-soaked base.
OT: I just read Steve’s latest piece on Tiger Woods over at Taki Mag. Well written and really interesting. Steve even does a funny bit as grammar pedant, of which I approve.
But I’m left wondering: when did Taki Mag do away with comments? Their new system requires a commenter to email his comment along with full identifying information. There must have been some bust up over there to have to resort to that system.
He came out on the 24thof May announcing that he will refuse to fund any politician that won’t pledge to help fix DACA because he personally has affected employees.
Apparently he was a big Trump donor.
I suppose it’s hard to spend 70 million on a car with illegals to help keep wages down.
Oh, to make it extra iStevey, he’s Chicago based. He’s in league with John Rowe, ex CEO of Exelon who has also made the same pledge.
Exelon, the Chicago based utility, was among Obama’s biggest donors in his early campaigns.Replies: @Ivy
I know Mr. GTO. He built quite a company and now spends on and enjoys many motorized and airborne (licensed pilot) thrills. I’m glad that his company is sponsoring IMSA and related events. That telephone number net worth should come in handy.
My thoughts exactly. Very few white woman with an iq over 95 would consider being with a negro man.
I have had several girlfriends over the years tell me (without me asking) that they would never even consider having sex with a negro.
These were educated, intelligent women. And certainly not racist in the sense that they disliked negroes in general. They were just repulsed by the thought of having sex with a negro.
I’m baffled at the dichotomy you present though, you’re proud to be black but applaud not having a black partner. In fact you seem to view it as some sort of accomplishment. How do you propose the black race in your corner of the world will continue? How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race? It’s as if the Nazis went out and married Chinese women.Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @sayless, @Thirdtwin
“How can you exhibit black pride but decline to perpetuate the black race?”
He never said he wasn’t also perpetuating the black race. In fact, he’s probably got more black kids than mixed kids.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/insufficient-numbers-of-seasonal-workers-under-h-2b-visa-program-an-issue-for-course-operators/ar-AAybCfrReplies: @Steve Sailer
In general, it would be a good thing in places like Los Angeles for lousy golf courses to close up and be turned into housing. About a decade ago, I helped a family friend in the real estate business put together a slide show to sell a golf course. The Asian owner wanted way too much for an awkward golf course built on an excessively steep mountainside and then 2008 hit, so it didn’t sell. But now it looks like it might be plowed under, using Global Warming and the Housing Crisis as excuses for getting the permits to build.
Is there some reason that we must turn over California--and it's nice Mediterranean climate--to Mexicams and Chinese? Heck, even if we wanted "more immigrants", why there? If immigrants are so darm wonderful for the economy, shouldn't they be required to go to more depressed regions. How about a deal--if you want to come to America, you have to go live in the region we assign. Immigrants could work on boosting the economy of say Memphis or Mississippi.Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
Oh, I have no issue at all with Mr. McNeill’s company. I own many of his products. I have spent some of my hard earned income in some very similar ways to your acquaintance, although on a scale vastly less grand of course. I am very tired of the rich using the poor as a stick with which to beat the middle.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Rare-NM-Macgregor-Custom-R58-1-iron-Pat-Riley-Lakers/123163415436?hash=item1cad1c938c:g:0cUAAOSwdkZbDzBl:sc:USPSPriority!94132!US!-1Replies: @Joe Joe
Caveat emptor, Lee Trevino famously said even God can’t hit a one iron!
Saw it with my own eyes .
I have had several girlfriends over the years tell me (without me asking) that they would never even consider having sex with a negro.
These were educated, intelligent women. And certainly not racist in the sense that they disliked negroes in general. They were just repulsed by the thought of having sex with a negro.Replies: @Black Panther
What about Heidi Klum, Nicole Trunfio, Doutzen Kroes, Tiki Barber’s wife and other very famous White women??
Was Charles Blair Macdonald Catholic?
I dunno. I didn’t think so, but perhaps. His daughter married the son of the first Catholic mayor of New York, Mayor Grace from Ireland. I don’t really understand the Catholic angles to High Society 100+ years ago.
Indeed. The narcissism of small differences.
The trick is to not the let the necessary strength testing and shoving turn into another WW I bloodbath.
I say kill the ECB and EU and young European Christians know exactly what I mean. I say kill globalization and mass immigration and multiculturalism and financialization and transnationalism and young people know what I mean.
Kevin MacDonald is now using the 1965 date to demark the year the anti-White horseshit accelerated. Join the club MacDonald, you high IQ, over-educated baby boomer! God bless MacDonald, he has guts and heart!
I say raise the federal funds rate to the normal 6 percent and financially liquidate White Americans born before 1965. It will be fun and the collapsing stock, bond and real estate bubbles will be great fun to watch implode.
I'm young at heart and I see what the globalizer geezers have done to their own nations and their own young people and it pisses me off. Joy there will be when baby boomer scum such as George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and many more get what they deserve.
Kill the EU and the ECB
God Bless Italy!
Yeah, but the Border country environment that molded him contained large numbers of English. In Albion’s Seed, Fischer estimates that the “Backcountry” (as he calls it) received approx 150,000 settlers from Northern Ireland, 75,000 from Scotland, and 50,000m (“probably more”) from Northern England (p. 609).
As near a I can tell, the Scots and English in the Border country were, in terms of culture, indistinguishable.
Schlafly, like Buckley, was Catholic and quite proud of it
Worst possible examples. You think those women are vying for a Fields medal, free from media pressure, and making their own decisions about who to be seen with?
Astor=German
Vanderbilt=DutchBy 1911, I should think that the Dutch and German blood was running a tad thin….John D Rockefeller’s mother’s maiden name was Davison….And his grandmother’s maiden name was Avery…"Lucy Avery was born to Miles Avery and Melinda Pixley, New England Yankees of mostly English descent. She was descended by her father from Edmund of Langley’s first marriage (through 5th Baron Audley’s second marriage)[2] and from Mary Boleyn’s first marriage (through the 2nd Barons de la Warr"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rockefeller_Sr.Cornelius Vanderbilt’s mother’s maiden name was Hand, and his wife’s maiden name was Johnson…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_VanderbiltJohn Jacob Astor’s wife was named Sarah Cox Todd, the child of Scottish immigrants….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_AstorHis son, William Backhouse Astor married Margaret Alida Rebecca Armstrong…..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Backhouse_Astor_Sr.Replies: @HunInTheSun, @Reg Cæsar
Ethel Merman and Donald Trump are also German-Scottish mixes. Oscar Hammerstein II also had a Scottish mother, but I don’t know how much German was in his German Jewish father. Germany’s Ashkenazi were the most assimilated of the lot.
Jay Leno is an Italian-Scottish mix. As are the many Scots with Italian surnames– remember Lena Zavaroni (RIP)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9ciHpT4WuM
But I'm left wondering: when did Taki Mag do away with comments? Their new system requires a commenter to email his comment along with full identifying information. There must have been some bust up over there to have to resort to that system.Replies: @Anon
I can never remember this, so I had to look it up in Garner’s for the 20th time.
The 1-to-5 Language-Change Index is a handy rating that Garner gives to estimate the degree to which something is becoming so pervasive that us schoolmarm types might just give up and recognize the flow of language change. A 3 means commonplace even among the educated, but still avoided in careful usage. A 4 means virtually universal, but opposed by die-hard snoots.
McNeill’s younger son is a good racer and that provides more advertising opportunities for the family business and interests. The dad doesn’t strike me as someone beating on the poor, more a driven and sharp business guy combining interests.
As near a I can tell, the Scots and English in the Border country were, in terms of culture, indistinguishable.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Did either have any?
The walrus is Steve.
Now I haven’t got time for the Payne
I haven’t got room for the Payne
I haven’t the need for the Payne
Not since I’ve known you
Not beating on the poor, using the poor to beat the middle class. Again, I don’t begrudge the man a thing. He has built a great business making things people want to buy. People including me.
Or how about not. Hows about we stop importing a bunch of foreigners, then we won’t have to pave over every square inch of the nice places in America?
Is there some reason that we must turn over California–and it’s nice Mediterranean climate–to Mexicams and Chinese? Heck, even if we wanted “more immigrants”, why there? If immigrants are so darm wonderful for the economy, shouldn’t they be required to go to more depressed regions. How about a deal–if you want to come to America, you have to go live in the region we assign. Immigrants could work on boosting the economy of say Memphis or Mississippi.
If we're going to engage in thought experiments which would require Constitutional Amendment(s), it might make more sense for the United States to administer non-State territories where the alleged immigrant vibrancy could be incubated. I've long stated, for example, that if we're going to be responsible for tens of millions of Mexicans, we should get something in return from Mexico like the Baja Peninsula. Make it a non-state territory where every Mexican emigre to the United States has a legal right to permanent residency but not U.S. Citizenship. Clean it up and get rid of the corruption and sell homesteading rights to U.S. Interests for agricultural development and whatnot to fund the necessary infrastructure. Of course, you'd need to clarify birthright citizenship Constitutionally and stipulate that birth alone in such a territory does not confer U.S. citizenship.
Part of the problem is the all-or-nothing nature of the immigration debate - the left has taken an open borders and guaranteed citizenship hardline, proposing that the economic upsides (without mention of the externalities) and WHO WE ARE is sufficient justification (without mention that the real beneficiaries are the recipients of the immigrants' votes and the votes of their progeny).
This doesn't permit a middle path - marrying American commerce and structure with third world workers in a mutually beneficial way without harming existing American citizens.
Jay Leno is an Italian-Scottish mix. As are the many Scots with Italian surnames-- remember Lena Zavaroni (RIP)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2uvAtFo-IReplies: @syonredux
So is Steven Wright:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Wright
I thought he was the Carpenter…..
And Clan MacDonald is Catholic.
So W, but neither AS nor P.
Nice try, though.
I guess you WASPs will have to find something else to be proud of.Replies: @syonredux, @Seth Largo, @Anonymous
Lowland Scots are literal Anglo-Saxons. It’s the Highlanders (and post-Famine Irish immigrants) who are Gaels.
Amazing pictures at Cavalier Golf Photos, Steve. Good stuff.
Please do a post on miniature golf course design. How would you compare Castle Golf’s courses to Adventure Golf Services’s? Is it worth it to travel down under to do a tour of Mini Golf Creations courses? Has Harris Miniature Golf Services overtaken Miniature Golf Solutions in the windmill realm? Lomma Miniature Golf vs. Micro-Golf? Horwath Golf vs. MGC?
LOL. I don’t want to mention what I’m thinking of when I have to stop so golf carts can cross the road in Griffith Park.
The World Cup is on, talk about something that matters. WCWS is a healthy, all-American event; it’s sloppy but that’s part of the charm. Who cares about golf?
I came here to post this but drew back at the last minute because I just didn’t have it solid: aren’t all the groups described in Albion’s Seed easily WASPs?
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language
After the fall of the Roman Empire, the Lowlands of Scotland were colonized at the same time and by the same people as the rest of Britain. However a few centuries later the Danish invasion of northern England cut off the Scottish Anglo-Saxons (actually, they were specifically Angles) from their southern kinsfolk and so they developed as a separate and distinct nation.
The Gaelic peoples of the Highlands (the original ‘Scots’) were separate from all this.
Thanks.
The people of the Anglo-Scottish Border region are very mixed. Prior to the Roman conquest of Britain, they were a mixture of Picts and Brythonic Celts. When the Romans established Hadrian’s Wall, they sent tens of thousands of troops from all over the empire to the Border region, and they all contributed something to the gene pool. During the Dark Ages, Angles invaded from the southeast, but so did Gaels from the north of Ireland, who maintained an extensive presence in Galloway, as well as in the Highlands. As a matter of fact, a high percentage of the Scots transported to Ulster during the Plantation were, in fact, Gaelic speakers from Galloway and Ayrshire. In addition to these groups, Norse Vikings invaded southwestern Scotland and northwestern England by way of the Irish sea, and contributed their genes as well. (Cumbria, for instance, has one of the highest incidences of Viking Y chromosomes in the British Isles, outside of the Orkneys and the Shetlands.) And then there was the Norman aristocracy, themselves Franco-Scandinavians, who founded many of the baronial lines in southern Scotland. Fischer explicitly mentions the very mixed ancestry of the Borderers in Albion’s Seed, as does James Leyburn in his book The Scotch-Irish. Sorry to be so pedantic here, but I’ll be damned if I don’t do something to shield my ancestors from the belittling accusation of a wholly WASP identity.
This Ferrari just became the most expensive car ever sold
A 1963 Ferrari GTO was sold for $70 million.
It is thought to be the highest price ever paid for a car.
Sources said the car was sold by a German collector to David MacNeil, the founder of WeatherTech.https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/this-ferrari-just-became-the-most-expensive-car-ever-sold.html
It's time to revive sumptuary taxes.Replies: @AnotherDad, @FPD72
WeatherTech makes a great product. I have their mats in a 2011 Ford Expedition and they have been great for preserving my interior. I haul all sorts of dirty materials in the back and the mats clean up great.
Secondly, their manufacturing is here in the USA. Everybody on this board complains about off-shoring, but here’s a guy who made the decision to keep his manufacturing in this country and employ American workers.
Why do you begrudge him the enjoyment of the fruits of his labor, creativity, and investment? Envy is a terrible thing.
Not a multicultural sport: During a recent HOA meeting, my Generic NW European Protestant husband inserted his experience with golf clubs’ management as a possible model for subdivision business. Our attending neighbors, who save one, are medical doctors from the Indian subcontinent, seemed either struck dumb or totally unable to identify.
Are you telling us that you really believe there is no difference between Yankee descended from a New England Puritan and a redneck in Appalachian descended from the Scots-Irish?
I have traced my surname to a small town in Northern England. When I had my DNA tested, it showed 3.5% Scandinavian. Since none of my ancestors came directly from Scandinavia, I assume that 3.5% is Viking blood.
My godson is a freshman at Stuyvesant. He'll be out before its totally watered down. I have kids 2 to 9, but eventually they will totally balance every public schools in NYC. As Steve has often said, there won't be enough white kids left to balance with:
http://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/281-18/mayor-de-blasio-chancellor-carranza-plan-improve-diversity-specialized-high/#/0Replies: @Bernardo Pizzaro Cortez Del Castro
Thanks for the link. They clearly state the proposed changes will require stale legislatures to change the current laws to eliminate the current testing requirements.
But they may be able to expand the current Black & Hispanic enrollment to 20% via current diversity initiatives.
Clan Macdonald is a highland clan.
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
What do your black sisters have to say about this?
If he isn’t telling you that, I will.
All of my grandparents were born, raised, and died in small towns in central Texas. My father's people were from Alabama prior to moving to Texas in the mid 1800's. My mother's side came from Tennessee around the same time.
All four of my grandparents were racist in the sense that they considered negroes to be fundamentally different than whites. None of them hated negroes. In fact, they rather liked them.
Both of my grandfathers worked with them. They considered their negro co-workers to be their friends. If they were in need, they would help them. But they did believed that whites and negroes were both better off with the races segregated.
White Yankees were a whole different story. All of my grandparents hated Yankees with a red hot passion. I'm quite certain that any of my grandparents (including my grandmothers) would have killed a Yankee if given the chance. There was truly that much hate.
I'm also quite certain they would not have been convicted by any local jury, if they local DA even bothered to bring charges.
Try telling an old white rural Southerner that he is no different than a Yankee. If you are in his neck of the woods, they will likely never find your body.Replies: @syonredux
Is there some reason that we must turn over California--and it's nice Mediterranean climate--to Mexicams and Chinese? Heck, even if we wanted "more immigrants", why there? If immigrants are so darm wonderful for the economy, shouldn't they be required to go to more depressed regions. How about a deal--if you want to come to America, you have to go live in the region we assign. Immigrants could work on boosting the economy of say Memphis or Mississippi.Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
One of the problems with immigration even if you solely consider only its economic upsides is that it is inherently politically destabilizing (not to mention socially destabilizing). Sending foreigners to Mississippi would change it in ways that we probably wouldn’t like in short order if only for political reasons.
If we’re going to engage in thought experiments which would require Constitutional Amendment(s), it might make more sense for the United States to administer non-State territories where the alleged immigrant vibrancy could be incubated. I’ve long stated, for example, that if we’re going to be responsible for tens of millions of Mexicans, we should get something in return from Mexico like the Baja Peninsula. Make it a non-state territory where every Mexican emigre to the United States has a legal right to permanent residency but not U.S. Citizenship. Clean it up and get rid of the corruption and sell homesteading rights to U.S. Interests for agricultural development and whatnot to fund the necessary infrastructure. Of course, you’d need to clarify birthright citizenship Constitutionally and stipulate that birth alone in such a territory does not confer U.S. citizenship.
Part of the problem is the all-or-nothing nature of the immigration debate – the left has taken an open borders and guaranteed citizenship hardline, proposing that the economic upsides (without mention of the externalities) and WHO WE ARE is sufficient justification (without mention that the real beneficiaries are the recipients of the immigrants’ votes and the votes of their progeny).
This doesn’t permit a middle path – marrying American commerce and structure with third world workers in a mutually beneficial way without harming existing American citizens.
The internecine brawl among the European Christian people gets the blood up so they can unite and deal with the rest when the time comes. Of course, the internecine European brawl of World War I is the cause of much of the cultural rot we are living through now.
The trick is to not the let the necessary strength testing and shoving turn into another WW I bloodbath.
I say kill the ECB and EU and young European Christians know exactly what I mean. I say kill globalization and mass immigration and multiculturalism and financialization and transnationalism and young people know what I mean.
Kevin MacDonald is now using the 1965 date to demark the year the anti-White horseshit accelerated. Join the club MacDonald, you high IQ, over-educated baby boomer! God bless MacDonald, he has guts and heart!
I say raise the federal funds rate to the normal 6 percent and financially liquidate White Americans born before 1965. It will be fun and the collapsing stock, bond and real estate bubbles will be great fun to watch implode.
I’m young at heart and I see what the globalizer geezers have done to their own nations and their own young people and it pisses me off. Joy there will be when baby boomer scum such as George W Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and many more get what they deserve.
Kill the EU and the ECB
God Bless Italy!
I prefer living in a country with WASP’s exerting their influence and showing pride instead of doing everything possible to appear too worldly and sophisticated to care about such things.
Some marry for love, some marry for a wallet.
Pretty much. Fischer devotes some space in the book to noting that the “Celtic South” hypothesis does not hold up, that the bulk of the Scots settlers were from the “Saxon” Lowlands*, not the Gaelic Highlands.
*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language
Very little. One of the revelations wrought by genetic analysis is how small of a genetic impact the Roman Empire had.
You could not be more wrong.
All of my grandparents were born, raised, and died in small towns in central Texas. My father’s people were from Alabama prior to moving to Texas in the mid 1800’s. My mother’s side came from Tennessee around the same time.
All four of my grandparents were racist in the sense that they considered negroes to be fundamentally different than whites. None of them hated negroes. In fact, they rather liked them.
Both of my grandfathers worked with them. They considered their negro co-workers to be their friends. If they were in need, they would help them. But they did believed that whites and negroes were both better off with the races segregated.
White Yankees were a whole different story. All of my grandparents hated Yankees with a red hot passion. I’m quite certain that any of my grandparents (including my grandmothers) would have killed a Yankee if given the chance. There was truly that much hate.
I’m also quite certain they would not have been convicted by any local jury, if they local DA even bothered to bring charges.
Try telling an old white rural Southerner that he is no different than a Yankee. If you are in his neck of the woods, they will likely never find your body.
Even in Appalachia there were many, actually more, English, than Scots-Irish.
Another commenter mentioned James Leyburn’s The Scotch-Irish: A Social History. In it Leyburn looks at numerous stats, which he cautions the reader on regarding reliability. Anyway, there were no states in 1790 that had a Scots-Irish majority or anything even close. Georgia at 27% was the highest followed by South and North Carolina 25% and 20% respectively. Next was Pennsylvania 19.6% then Kentucky and Tennessee 17%, followed by Virginia 16.4%, Delaware 14.3%, New Jersey 14%, Maryland 13.4%, Maine 12.5%, NY 12.1%, and New Hampshire 10.8%. The other four New England states were all in single digits. Many of the above include Appalachia and the Scots-Irish may have been more concentrated there but in time they merged with the English who, overall, would’ve been the majority just about everywhere.
Very different people.Replies: @syonredux
All of my grandparents were born, raised, and died in small towns in central Texas. My father's people were from Alabama prior to moving to Texas in the mid 1800's. My mother's side came from Tennessee around the same time.
All four of my grandparents were racist in the sense that they considered negroes to be fundamentally different than whites. None of them hated negroes. In fact, they rather liked them.
Both of my grandfathers worked with them. They considered their negro co-workers to be their friends. If they were in need, they would help them. But they did believed that whites and negroes were both better off with the races segregated.
White Yankees were a whole different story. All of my grandparents hated Yankees with a red hot passion. I'm quite certain that any of my grandparents (including my grandmothers) would have killed a Yankee if given the chance. There was truly that much hate.
I'm also quite certain they would not have been convicted by any local jury, if they local DA even bothered to bring charges.
Try telling an old white rural Southerner that he is no different than a Yankee. If you are in his neck of the woods, they will likely never find your body.Replies: @syonredux
Really? One of my great-uncles went to medical school in Texas in the early ’50s. He was born and raised in Rochester, NY, and used to spend a lot of his spare time travelling around Texas. He never heard a discourteous word.Indeed, he thought that rural Texans were the among the kindest and nicest people that he ever met….
A joke in Texas in the early 1980's when Dallas was being inundated with Yankees due to a strong economy.
"Why did San Francisco get the queers and Texas got the Yankees?
"Because San Francisco had first pick."Replies: @syonredux
My previous post was definitely a bit hyperbolic. Most rural Southerners will be polite to strangers who are polite to them. But rural Southerners generally have a visceral hatred of Yankees.
A joke in Texas in the early 1980’s when Dallas was being inundated with Yankees due to a strong economy.
“Why did San Francisco get the queers and Texas got the Yankees?
“Because San Francisco had first pick.”
The English in Appalachia are descended from people from Northern England. Very different from the Puritans in New England who are descended from East Anglians.
Very different people.
The Romans had great difficulty conquering the Scottish Highlands so just surrounded them with forts (e.g. Inchtuthil) and launched occasional punitive raids into the interior to keep the natives intimidated. They later gave up even this and pulled their forces back south.
The later German settlers of Scotland presumably encountered the same problems penetrating the Highlands and never made an attempt to settle them. However unlike the Romans they were an illiterate people, so left no record of their experiences.
Put your hand in the hand of the man from Studio City?
A joke in Texas in the early 1980's when Dallas was being inundated with Yankees due to a strong economy.
"Why did San Francisco get the queers and Texas got the Yankees?
"Because San Francisco had first pick."Replies: @syonredux
Didn’t Texas get a huge influx of homosexual men in the ’80s?
Very different people.Replies: @syonredux
Different in some areas, rather alike in others. East Anglia was much more literate, for example. On the other hand, the Puritans and the Backcountry folk were alike in their clannishness and hatred of outsiders. And both groups despised the Quakers.
I think you are correct about that. Specifically in Houston, Dallas, and Austin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_culture_in_Dallas%E2%80%93Fort_Worth
It makes sense. Certainly a large influx of Yankees will result in an increase in the number of homosexuals as well.
I already conceded the point.
It makes sense. Certainly a large influx of Yankees will result in an increase in the number of homosexuals as well.
He should do for golf what E. Digby Baltzell did for Tennis with “Sporting Gentlemen.”
I call Leapfrogging Loyalties all over this. Is not Herr Sailer a Catholic of Continental descent? Or so I’ve gleaned. Wassup with all the WASP worship? Stick we all to our own tribe, shall we? As German-American Catholic and too-conservative-for-the-John-Birch-Society John Schmitz said, “Of course I’m Hispanic. I’m a Catholic with a moustache.”
An energetic family ...
As German-American Catholic and too-conservative-for-the-John-Birch-Society John Schmitz
An energetic family …
Me and my girlfriend(she is half Welsh half Norwegian, blue eyed, Blonde too) live in Surrey , England. Blacks are not even 1 percent of the population here and all of my Brothers(4 of them) are married to or have babies with White girls. Me and my woman have got 2 sons and and our 3rd is on the way now.
I AM NOT TRYING TO TRIGGER ANY OF THE "CONSERVATIVES" HERE. I AM JUST REPORTING WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED.Replies: @Danindc, @newrouter, @Zoodles, @Daniel Chieh, @bomag, @Ed, @harmonshoal, @MBlanc46
FYI: You’re supposed to begin that sort of post with OT.