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From the Toronto Globe and Mail:

Can racism cause schizophrenia?

Alternatively, can the voices in your head cause you to perceive more racism than actually exists?

Decades of research has found that racialized citizens

“Racialized citizens” are people, frequently not citizens, who are of a non-white race. Since we all know that race does not exist, except we all can tell race just by looking, the term “racialized citizen” means we are not bad whites.

are diagnosed with the disorder at far higher rates – and the single biggest risk factor is having darker skin than most of their neighbours

ERIN ANDERSSEN
PUBLISHED JULY 10, 2021

One of the first patients Kwame McKenzie treated as a psychiatrist in London, England, was a young Black man diagnosed with schizophrenia. Dr. McKenzie, then years away from becoming the director of health equity at Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH), remembers the father, an African-Caribbean immigrant, trying not to cry while asking questions. Had they done something wrong to make their child so ill? This was their second son now suffering from psychosis, the father explained. How could they stop it from happening to their other children? Dr. McKenzie didn’t have a good answer. He resolved to find one.

That search led him to dig deeper into a curious, and alarming, pattern: In a number of Western countries, including Canada, migrants from Africa and the Caribbean – and their children – are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than either their native-born white peers or immigrants from other parts of the world. Study after study has pointed to one significant risk factor: skin colour.

Schizophrenia, a disorder characterized by often debilitating hallucinations and delusions, is one of the most severe mental illnesses and among the hardest to treat. It is relatively rare – affecting about one per cent of the population – but its burden on patients, their families and the health care system is huge, especially since the illness most often emerges in the late teens and early 20s. …

If a certain population – a race-specific population – is more likely to be diagnosed with a devastating, life-altering mental illness, that is not just a public health issue, says Dr. McKenzie, a professor at the University of Toronto and chief executive of the Wellesley Institute, a think tank dedicated to improving health equity. It’s a question of human rights and social justice.

The role of race in health care has long been tainted by discrimination, clinician bias and inequitable treatment; the pandemic has only highlighted a problem that has long existed. In Ontario, for instance, Caribbean-African men are more likely to be involuntarily admitted to hospital for psychosis than other populations, often following a police encounter…

But the finding that Black citizens are being diagnosed more often with psychosis is more complex than improving access to care. It goes back more than 50 years and has been the subject of more than 100 peer-reviewed papers. In the United Kingdom and the Netherlands, extensive studies have found rates as much as five times higher in migrants from the Caribbean and Africa than the native-born white population. In Israel, significantly higher rates of psychosis have been found in migrants from Ethiopia. In the United States, African-Americans are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than white Americans.

Researchers have discovered a similar pattern in Canada. A 2015 Ontario study looking at 10 years of health statistics found higher rates of psychotic disorders in refugees from East Africa and South Asia (95 per cent and 51 per cent higher, respectively) compared to the general population, and an elevated risk among immigrants from the Caribbean and Bermuda.

“This problem is the biggest inequality we have in mental health,” says James Kirkbride, a British psychiatric epidemiologist at University College London who has been studying this issue for 15 years. “We are essentially talking about a disorder that is happening [as much as] 500 per cent more frequently in one group.”

The explanation for this is still being debated. But many researchers have begun to circle one theory in particular – a hypothesis that has ramifications not only for how we diagnose and treat mental illnesses, but what is required to prevent them in the first place. Step back further, and this theory raises uncomfortable questions about the harm inflicted on those deemed by the majority to be outsiders.

What many researchers increasingly believe to be an important risk factor for schizophrenia, this most terrible of brain disorders, is racism.

Well, of course. What else could it be? As Dr. Ibram X. Kendi points out, it would be racist for the cause not to be racism because that would mean that blacks rather than whites are to blame for a problem that is worse among blacks. But we know that reality can’t be racist, only People of Whiteness can be racist.

In his 1961 book The Wretched of the Earth, Frantz Fanon proposed that racism itself caused mental illness, including psychosis.

And who was ever a more dispassionate, neutral, apolitical, scientifically objective theorist than Frantz Fanon?

… Dr. Fanon’s work is often cited in current research. The idea that the experience of racism could be traumatic, that it could harm a person’s mental health, that systemic racism could alter how certain groups are diagnosed and treated, should not be surprising today.

… Some Western researchers advocate replacing it with “psychosis spectrum disorder,” to better reflect the range and severity of symptoms.

Mental health experts believe a number of factors likely contribute to schizophrenia, including genetics, brain chemistry and social environment – although science is still working hard on the finer details. Genes are a large individual risk factor: People with a parent with schizophrenia have a 10-per-cent higher risk of developing the disorder; having an identical twin with the illness increases your risk by about 50 per cent.

But genes don’t tell the whole story. Most people with a close family history don’t develop schizophrenia. And unlucky genes haven’t been able to explain why certain ethnic minority groups have higher rates of the illness. There’s no evidence that migrants, as a group, leave home with a higher risk for psychosis tucked in their biological suitcase.

This was one of the earliest theories for why certain ethnic groups had higher rates of schizophrenia – that migrants were bringing the illness with them from their home countries. Over time, that hypothesis has been refuted by epidemiological studies, which have found no evidence of higher rates in places such as the Caribbean, Surinam and India.

Sounds like a challenging methodological problem.

But it sure makes it sound like immigration from the Third World is a bad idea.

Given the skills and resourcefulness it takes to settle in a foreign country, and the mandatory medical screening often required to get there, migrants should be at lower – not higher – risk of severe mental illness. So perhaps it was the trauma of migrating? But that couldn’t explain why risk remained high among the children of migrants born in the host country.

Slicing and dicing the data, however, revealed a clue: The risk of developing psychosis was not equal among all migrants. Newcomers to Britain and the Netherlands who travelled from within Europe, for example, have been found to have significantly lower risks than those coming from outside the continent. Yet even within that non-European group, people from India or other parts of Asia had significantly lower rates than those from Africa or the Caribbean. This pattern continues, to varying degrees, into the second generation.

Maybe sub-Saharans have a bigger problem with schizophrenia?

The search for a clear explanation has been challenging. A problematic birth or a childhood vitamin D deficiency

Do blacks have higher schizophrenia rates in Minneapolis than in Mississippi due to the latitude difference?

– both associated with a higher risk of schizophrenia – were two possible theories. But Dr. McKenzie says British researchers found that obstetrical complications were not more common among mothers from Africa or the Caribbean

In general, African-American mothers have more obstetrical problems.

, and vitamin D couldn’t explain increased rates among migrants who arrived as adults.

Maybe it was poverty? But poorer countries don’t appear to have higher rates of schizophrenia, and the risk for certain migrant groups remained high, even when researchers adjusted for socioeconomic status.

Maybe it’s being richer and thus able to afford more expensive drugs like cocaine or state-of-the-art marijuana?

Another significant risk factor for schizophrenia is living in a city. Researchers are still figuring out why, but some theorize the frenetic landscape, pollution and sense of isolation even in a crowded place could be contributors.

A closer look at cities, however, produced another finding: In areas with ethnic density – a larger concentration of people from the same ethnic group – the rates of schizophrenia were lower, for both generations. A large-scale Swedish study published in Lancet Psychiatry last year analyzed health data from more than 450,000 migrants and their children over at least 20 years. The study found that for visible-minority migrants, a 5-per-cent decrease in ethnic density was associated with a roughly 5-per-cent increase in psychosis risk – a result not shared by white migrants or their children. Studies in Britain, Denmark and the United States have made similar findings.

Alert Raj Chetty: the Harvard economist who works with colossal datasets of 1040s, imprisonment, SAT scores, etc. has been preaching that the best thing black mothers can do for their sons is to move them far away from other black youth out into white neighborhoods (i.e., keep them far away from joining a black street gang as an adolescent and thus winding up in prison).

I suspect Chetty has better data most of the studies reported here.

But the implication of this article is that blacks should stick to all black ghettos.

But did psychosis go down in Detroit as it became virtually all black? Really?

In the end, after decades of research, a particular theory emerged. The largest risk factor for psychosis didn’t appear to be country of origin or being poor or having migrated or living in a city. It was having darker skin than most of your neighbours.

Especially if your neighbors are tiny elderly Asians. They just drive you nuts with their punchable faces.

There is one obvious alternative explanation: Doctors are getting the diagnosis wrong. Schizophrenia can’t be confirmed with a blood test or a brain scan, despite the ongoing efforts of neuroscientists. Although there are standardized scales, a diagnosis is often made by excluding other possibilities, along with a clinician’s own assessment. This makes it susceptible to mistakes and bias.

The role of clinician misdiagnosis continues to be a focus of research, especially in the U.S. Some experts suggest diagnostic tools may be pathologizing behaviour that some cultures and religions would not consider an illness. How people enter the mental health care system, and how easily they find good care once inside, differs between racial groups. American research has found that racialized patients are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than with mood disorders, even when they have symptoms similar to those of white patients. In Canada, schizophrenia also appears to be experienced differently by race: A four-year study found that compared to white patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, African-Caribbean patients spent more time in a recovered state; were less likely to have continuous, unremitting illness; and were less at risk of suicide and self-harm – but more likely to have suffered imprisonment and compulsory admission.

In other words, blacks commit more serious crimes on average, so psychiatrists try more to route them away from prison to psychiatric hospitals by declaring that the only way this strapping 6’3″ young man could have randomly punched that 4’8″ Asian grandmother is because he’s suffering from a mental illness, so he we should be nice to him and not send him to prison for a long time but instead to a psychiatric facility until he’s feeling better.

Also, this sure sounds not like schizophrenia, a rather permanent condition (although somewhat controllable with newer pharmaceuticals), but more like temporary drug-induced psychosis.

During her clinical practice, Deidre Anglin, a psychology professor at City University of New York, says she saw examples of colleagues being too quick to diagnose schizophrenia in Black patients, especially those who came in agitated and with a police escort. She says racialized patients, because of their experience in society, including a distrust of the system, may present with a “constellation of symptoms” that aren’t fully reflected in the diagnostic manuals.

Maybe psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose black men as: “A violent criminal who should be convicted and imprisoned,” so they are more likely to hand out dubious diagnoses of schizophrenia?

Dr. Anglin agrees misdiagnosis plays a role and raises critical questions about race that the field of psychiatry can’t ignore. (The wrong diagnosis could mean, for instance, that a racialized patient doesn’t get the right treatment.)

A wrong diagnosis of schizophrenia can mean a black criminal doesn’t get the just punishment he deserves.

But her work suggests more important factors are the chronic social distress, trauma and discrimination that make mental illness more severe. Psychotic symptoms, she says, are more common even in racialized patients who might be more accurately diagnosed with major depression.

In Britain, she says, some studies have found the link between race and psychosis to be higher than smoking for cancer. “There is no way misdiagnosis alone could capture that much of a difference.“

Dr. Kirkbride describes a British experiment that asked a diverse group of psychiatrists to independently diagnose patients whose ethnicity was hidden. He says higher rates of diagnosis for the racialized groups persisted.

“We all accept that COVID is more prevalent in socially disadvantaged ethnic-minority populations,” he says. “There isn’t a question of misdiagnosis. It is definitely the social determinants of health and the racist pattern of society and people who have been cyclically disadvantaged.”

Blacks initially tended to infect each other more with coronavirus in part because they are more gregarious (which is not a defect except when this stupid pandemic is around). Blacks actually did a pretty good job, better than Hispanics did, of cutting their death rates over the course of 2020, but nobody gives them any credit for learning because that would imply that blacks have agency.

“I think it is exactly the same explanation for psychosis. But we refuse to believe it. It denies an epidemic that isn’t being treated properly.”

Shawn Pendenque went to jail for four months after he wrote an angry letter to judges and court officials. He wonders whether, because he is Black, authorities rushed to charge him with sending death threats instead of suspecting he had a mental illness.

See, you can use schizophrenia to stay out of jail. But next time, don’t threaten judges, they can take that personally. Just punch elderly Asians and plead schizophrenia.

Mr. Pendenque was born in Canada, to parents who had migrated separately from Dominica and met in Toronto. As a child, he was sexually and physically abused, and by 16, he was living on the street. With the help of LOFT Community Services, a group that provides support and housing to at-risk populations, he eventually became a counsellor for youth – many of them also Black – awaiting trial or sentencing.

He penned the angry, rambling letter and delivered it to court officials – telling them they would “be judged and go to hell” for their part in an unjust system – during what was later diagnosed in jail as a psychotic episode brought on by bipolar schizoaffective disorder, a condition that includes the symptoms of a mood disorder and schizophrenia. Looking back, he wonders if the leap to charge him as a criminal, rather than suspect he had a mental illness, was because he was Black.

I thought the rest of the article was about how blacks get diagnosed too often?

He went to jail for four months. “They left me with an orange jumpsuit on my back to start over again.”

Mr. Pendenque, who is now a community worker with LOFT and a mental health advocate, believes that observing the biased treatment of young Black teenagers may have triggered something inside him, perhaps a fault line already created by the childhood trauma he’d experienced. He also describes the incongruity of being given the responsibility of his job and at the same time feeling judged inferior because of his race. It’s an exhausting parallel reality, he says. A mind, already wounded, can only bear so much.

Yet, how could the experience of racism do enough damage to the brain that it could result in a severe mental illness?

Aristotle Voineskos, vice-president of research at CAMH and a specialist in schizophrenia, points to evidence that chronic stress weakens the immune system, which has been linked to the development of psychosis. The “social defeat” hypothesis proposes that the long-term experience of being excluded from the majority group eventually leads to chemical changes in the brain.

But I thought it was inclusion in the majority group via moving to the majority neighborhoods that you were telling us drives blacks psycho.

Dr. McKenzie uses the term “thwarted aspirations,” especially for the second generation, who find themselves denied opportunities in the only country they’ve known. This constant race-based stress is also known as “weathering,” and it’s one way to explain why African-Americans, as a group, die earlier of many diseases than white Americans.

Hitting the crack pipe, in contrast, makes you look young and fresh as a daisy.

A 2014 U.S. study of 644 young, ethnic-minority adults, co-authored by CAMH’s Dr. Anglin, found the experience of racial discrimination was associated with more early, sub-clinical markers for psychosis even when researchers accounted for anxiety and depression.

Or maybe blacks who think whites are being racist to them are more likely to be actually crazy than blacks who don’t hallucinate about racist slights?

Those threshold symptoms included altered perceptions, paranoia and suspicion

So delusional and paranoid blacks notice more racism than sane blacks?

, and most commonly cognitive dissonance, which refers to a person thinking or acting in a way that goes against their own beliefs and values – the way you might, for example, if the system meant to help you worked against you instead.

In May, the first Black Canadian National Survey found that among 5,000 respondents, 70 per cent said they experienced racism “regularly or from time to time.” Two-thirds reported being treated with suspicion in the past year; one-fifth reported being unfairly stopped by police in the past month. Nearly half of those surveyed said they’d been treated unfairly by an employer in the past 12 months.

“You wear a mask to get through the days,” says Myrna Lashley, a psychologist and assistant professor at McGill University’s department of psychiatry.

Wait a minute, I’m confused about masks.

She quotes Dr. Fanon’s writings to explain the toll of racism to those who get to “live above the line,” as he once wrote. “You laugh at jokes that aren’t funny,” she says. “You have to have that famous talk with your children that white people don’t have: ‘Even if you just buy a pack of gum at the store, don’t leave without a receipt.’”

Racism harms overtly, Dr. Lashley says, but it also sabotages a person’s social and physical environment. It understandably causes them to question what’s true, to wonder about the motives of their neighbours. Did that person cross the street to get somewhere or to avoid me? Was I seated in the back of the restaurant because I’m Black? Is that police officer just walking by or following me?

How long can anyone’s brain, especially one already dealing with trauma or the challenge of adjusting to a foreign culture, maintain that hyper-vigilance and stay healthy?

So, what you are saying is that blacks are ticking time-bombs and should be watched carefully? Isn’t that … racist?

“You are holding in that stress all the time. You can’t pill it away. You can’t sleep it away,” says Dr. Lashley. Often, she says, the source of stress – systematic, everyday racism, the micro-agressions that have macro implications – is dismissed or denied, adding to the trauma. “It becomes the knee on our neck, and we can’t breathe.

Racism makes people question what’s true and the motives of the people around them in a way that can be traumatizing, psychiatrist Myrna Lashley says.

So, when delusional paranoiacs accuse the people around them of being racists out to to get them for no good reason, the sane should agree with the insane.

Pile those suffocating, demoralizing, exhausting incidents of discrimination on a life already complicated by a troubled childhood, a family history of illness or isolated-newcomer status, and the research suggests that the narrative is significantly more likely to lead to a diagnosis of schizophrenia.

Yup, ticking time-bombs.

… Also, what kind of racism increases risk the most? More recent studies suggest systematic racism may have a larger effect than the direct experiences of discrimination, says Hannah Jongsma, a senior scientific researcher at the Veldzicht Center for Transcultural Psychiatry in the Netherlands. In a 2020 paper she co-authored, on ethnicity and psychosis, the two largest specific risk factors appeared to be social disadvantage and linguistic distance from the native population – barriers that make it harder to shed one’s outsider status.

Or maybe immigrants who can’t learn Dutch or find work tend to have something wrong with their brains to begin with?

… An older British study, co-authored by Dr. McKenzie, recruited people with no history of psychosis, recorded their experiences with discrimination and their level of perceived racism, and followed them for three years. At the end, the study found a link between the onset of delusional thinking and higher rates of discrimination, from 0.5 per cent for those reporting no discrimination to 2.7 per cent for people reporting more than one type of discrimination. …

They found the delusional report more racism. Okaaaaaaay … well, that proves it, right?

 
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  1. So many words. Just spend a few years living in a “legacy” metropolis and you’ll figure this out right quick.

    • Agree: Mr. Grey
    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Russ
    @Hangnail Hans

    Toronto is in Canada. Canada has serious, serious issues.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/official-reveals-unmarked-graves-in-canada-are-part-of-an-overgrown-cemetery

    The headline "Official reveals ‘unmarked graves’ in Canada are part of an overgrown cemetery" is the LifeSiteNews.com headline; upon first reading, I thought it was from the Babylon Bee or the Onion.

    Perhaps it's all the reefer.

  2. I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

    • Thanks: Polistra, Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @anon
    @angmoh

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”.

    I wonder if there is any lesson we can learn from this hypothesis that might apply to white children in schools full of d-i-e-versity?

    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Indiana Jack
    @angmoh

    That is a fascinating thread, and I can see how migrants to another country might have higher rates of schizophrenia. One common trait in schizophrenics is that they misinterpret social cues. This is a tendency that would become even more common in an area with people from different cultures that rely on different social cues when interacting with others.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @angmoh

    A few studies, that show how much schizophrenia and - migration (race) hang together. Black migrants showing a risk that is 5 to 9 times higher than that of the - Westerners, living in their home country:


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2894585/
    https://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i1030
    https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.162.1.12
    https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/44/suppl_1/S270/4957726

    , @J.Ross
    @angmoh

    Apart from the chemical aspect of schizophrenia (in other words, assuming chemicals are effect and not cause), schizophrenia must be a totally inevitable result of committing to a new reality, new set of rules, and new climate, having lived a siginificant part of dey's life in different ones. It's not pure insanity to question reality when you grow up in India and then work in Scotland.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @Rob
    @angmoh

    ‘Bout time Uriah got a shoutout here. I was going to link to a graph he had of PGS by race for schizophrenia or psychosis. Quick search did not turn it up.. On the PGS, there was nearly no overlap in Euro/African genetic risk of schizophrenia.

    He has had several schiz tweetstorms. All his tweets are worth reading. Does anyone know if there is a Threadreaderapp function or similar website wherein one can enter a Twitterer’s @ and get all his, hers, or they’s tweet threads in easy to handle, search, stop, and come back to form? I had hoped Twitter had that functionality for users. Pretty much why I signed up. That and to tweak Lewontining “evolutionary” “biologists” and “anthropologists” who do not know that evolution creates different adaptations in different populations, or that males and females sometimes follow different reproductive strategies. @hollydunsworth so far, but I intend to branch out. I am considering doing my tweaking in the persona of a naive evangelical ecstatic to discover scientific support for the “fact” that human beings have not had evolutionary adaptations in the face of clear, near-constant evolutionary pressures, just as they (and the Bible) predict.

    A planned one in response to a Lewontinian/Ghoulish (Gouldish) claim that men and women do not have inbuilt differences in sexual behavior:

    ‘Thank you, Holly! I knew men and women thought about sex in the same way. God would not have made Man and Woman to have differences in so crass a matter. Dogmatic ‘evolutionary biologists’ insist that differential selective pressure would have created different ‘adaptations’ in response. But you and the Bible both stand athwart reason, and yell Stop!

    For ‘race’
    The uniformity of man (and woman) in the face of different selection pressures on different continents is either miraculous or proof of recent creation. Do you think God will continue to intervene in micro evolution (the only real kind) to preserve human homogeneity? Except in skin color and all other visible traits, no one can deny those! But the important ones that involve like, brains and other unimportant things, those are all the same!’

    Or ‘thanks Holly! I never believed black people were real, either!”

    , @RonaldB
    @angmoh

    Another possibility.

    Most (or all) of the studies on migrants involve migrating from low-technology to high-technology societies. The high-technology societies have better social services and more generous welfare benefits.

    My hypothesis is that in the home countries, particularly in rural areas, the deviant individuals are quietly and quickly killed or allowed to die from their own inability to take care of themselves. In the urban areas of the home countries, the kin culling process is not as easily done. Also, where the ethnic group of the offender is predominate, the social support mechanism might be stronger. This keeps the deviant individual functioning longer than he otherwise would.

    Once the individual migrates, the individual who becomes deviant is, at worst, incarcerated with adequate food and shelter, and is indulged as long as his offenses are not too flagrant. And sometimes when the offense is extremely flagrant.

    This ad hoc explanation accounts for the normal rate of deviancy in the home country, especially in the less dense (rural) areas and for the higher rates of deviancy in the more crowded and ethnically similar areas.

    This proposal is heavier on the notion that changes in the environment facilitate the display of deviant behavior driven primarily by racial genetic differences. The proposal that schizophrenically-inclined individuals manifest more deviant behavior in environments where most social cues are foreign to their culture, is an explanation assuming the proportion of deviant genetic factors is not heavier, but is driven by a particular environment.

  3. Early exposure to marijuana (think 11 and 12 year-olds) may play a role in psychotic mental illnesses later in adulthood.

    I suspect that reducing early exposure to marijuana will have a larger effect than fighting against structural racism in reducing the incidence of psychotic illness in these men.

    • Agree: Gaius Gracchus
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @PennTothal

    It's pretty scary to think about how many black children over the last twenty-plus years have been daily exposed to roomfulls of marijuana smoke.

    , @Anonymous
    @PennTothal


    Early exposure to marijuana (think 11 and 12 year-olds) may play a role in psychotic mental illnesses later in adulthood.
     
    So can being molested by adult relatives, which is a BIG problem in the black community that has never been given a proper spotlight in the media, let alone the metoo hypocrites.

    Too many black women, and men, have very unpleasant prepubescent stories that could go a long way in explaining a lot of black impulsive narcissistic behavior. Too many adult black men just can’t seem to stop themselves, regardless of the price they might have to pay…

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/falcons-linebacker-barkevious-mingo-charged-with-indecency-with-child/
  4. Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he’d have been DX’d schizophrenic, right?

    • Disagree: El Dato
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Paperback Writer

    Not based on that single symptom, no, but it could be a contributor.

    Queen Victoria could say that she was appointed by God to rule half the planet, and she would not be diagnosed with schizophrenia, but if somebody presented in the local accident and emergency room after walking naked down the street and made the same claim, it would carry different weight.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he’d have been DX’d schizophrenic, right?
     
    Seventy years ago, he'd be a celebrity.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0167/7594/files/Christine_Jorgensen_Pic_1.png?4442755690202448327


    Which federal agency does not recognize "sex changes". Hint: it's the one you haven't thought about for 40 years.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @RichardTaylor

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Paperback Writer

    @El Dato,

    Note my pointed reference to the DSM.

    I did not say that schizophrenia doesn't exist. Around the world it's been noted that schizophrenia, a serious thought disorder, is fairly uniform. But as it's applied in the US, it's a garbage DX and I suspect that in this isolated case the race arsonists have a minor point.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122490928

    , @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Many of the conditions listed in the DSM are more in the nature of social conditions than true clinical diseases, but schizophrenia is a true disease. If you've ever met a real schizophrenic, their brains are highly disordered - they hear voices in their head, etc. Even to a layman, it's quite obvious that they are sick. It's not at all subtle.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Paperback Writer


    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.
     
    The borders of all forms of madness are maddening, but attaching labels to complex phenomena is useful for aiding thought and communication; even if it is important not to reify the label.

    By picking schizophrenia, you have picked one of the easier forms of madness to place within definable limits. It isn't that they have one delusion, it is that they have extremely chaotic thinking. This is because, though everyone, thankfully, has some chaos in their thought, we choose to set the defining line at an extreme point. This makes diagnosed schizophrenics almost instantly identifiable.

    Fascinatingly and pertinently for this blog post, labels might be seen as anti-schizophrenic, since they are an attempt to order thought.

    We might therefore pose a labelling-experiencing dichotomy. Pure and extreme schizophrenics experience everything, directly without labels. People, who tend to label and define everything, end up locked behind those labels, slow, muffled and directly experiencing nothing.

    Once you understand all of this, it makes perfect sense that black people would be diagnosed with schizophrenia more often: every newspaper in the US seems to think that Whiteness is about labelling and defining, while Blackness is about experiencing. This isn't a fiction.

    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?

    I can't tell you why some people are more prone to dive into the abyss, nor why some are less or more prone to dissolve, but I can say that genius is those gifted individuals who can take fun swims in that reservoir, while easily remaining whole.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Paperback Writer

    "Schizophrenia ... is a garbage diagnosis."

    Having spent the past few days hearing what I believed to be voices in my head, I began looking at the symptoms of schizophrenia. This investigation led me to conclude that what I was experiencing was auditory hallucinations which every human experiences to some degree or another. Confident in my diagnosis I settled in to watch The Friends of Eddie Coyle for the 16th time. Right before small time gun runner Bob Mitchum gets whacked I began hearing the voices again; only this time their indecipherable words were replaced by giggles. I knew then it wasn't schizophrenia or the common auditory hallucination. The dolls were giggling; they were laughing at me. It was the dolls all along.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    Actually it's the one thing psychiatry nailed down to an objective test.
    ODD, on the other hand, is pretty much obviously just a power grab.

    , @Ed
    @Paperback Writer

    They’re currently declared mentally ill and diagnosed with gender dysphoria. However that will be changing when the updated international coding system comes into affect next year.

  5. The psychotic African male is the product of white supremacy. It couldn’t really be any other way. Let’s move along to the next subject.

    • Replies: @Mr. Grey
    @Trelane

    If it wasn't for Western Civilization, African males would be too busy trying avoid being eaten by a lion, dying of tropical diseases or being enslaved by Arabs to have time to sit around and develop paranoid delusions.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Trelane

    "Let's move along to the next subject."

    Okay: Did your parents find another playground planet for you after the unfortunate Enterprise incident?

    Replies: @Trelane

  6. Dr. Kirkbride contends that, for ethnic communities, eliminating structural racism could reduce the incidence of psychosis by as much as 70 per cent.

    Science!

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @inertial


    Dr. Kirkbride contends that, for ethnic communities, eliminating structural racism could reduce the incidence of psychosis by as much as 70 per cent.
     
    Two possibilities here. First of all, my own calculations indicate that the correct figure is only 17.3%, which is Science, and casts rather a different complexion upon the matter, does it not?

    Secondly, what if eliminating "structural racism" reduces psychosis in "ethnic communities" but increases it (correspondingly, of course) in, ahem, non-ethnic communities? What then?? This is also science, I hasten to add.

    Everything I say is Science, in point of fact. That's just the kind of guy I am.

    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @inertial

    Yeah, "science" is when a goodthinker "contends" something.

  7. Schizophrenia, a disorder characterized by often debilitating hallucinations and delusions,

    WE

    WUZ

  8. Schizophrenia can be differentiated from manic psychosis by brain scans. Schizophrenics tend to have deficiencies in Broca’s area, while those with bipolar do not.

    I think schizophrenia may be a vestigial developmental problem along the lines of lactose intolerance. That is, the parts of the brain that integrate language and thoughts with other processes are neotenous, and for a small, unfortunate part of the population the maturation of the brain disables them, hence the early adult onset.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Bill P


    I think schizophrenia may be a vestigial developmental problem along the lines of lactose intolerance.
     
    Paging Dr. Jaynes.
    Dr Julian Jaynes.

    Seriously, seeing the super high schiz rates of blacks (and Mexicans? And Asians? Are they both white for psychiatric purposes?) in civilization, one is tempted somewhat to think that there is something to The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.

    I am curious what happens to never-agricultural peoples like Bushmen when away from their fellows. Especially Bushmen, who are much lighter, but more alien-looking, than negroes. Are they so alcoholic that it is impossible to tell?

    Someone here once posted that a psychiatrist told him that all black people are schizophrenic (by white standards) I wonder how true that is? Anyone want to take the white and black schiz rates and work up a La Griffe du Lion-style method of thresholds to find the black/white and male/female σ difference in schizotypy? Eyeballing, 1/8% must be like 2+ σ.

    How do ZA blacks do on schiz?

  9. Do blacks have higher schizophrenia rates in Minneapolis than in Mississippi due to the latitude difference?

    Minneapolis is closer to the Equator than to the North Pole. The 45th parallel runs through the northern reaches of the city (including black North Minneapolis), but due to the shape of the earth, the actual halfway line lies about ten miles to the north, in the suburbs.

    Another geographic oddity of the city is that it’s closer to Dakar than its Sister City of Bosaso, Somali[a/land] is.

    Oops… it’s neither. Bosaso is the capital of Puntland.

    Chinese-built airport in Somalia to boost trade: officials

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Reg Cæsar

    I love how the Chinese were all about "we going to leverage Africa! Chinee Century!"

    Then later, a certain amount of actual contact has those abacuses in play again.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  10. Is this your longest column, Steve?

    In Minnesota, Somali children are diagnosed with autism at higher rates than they are in Somalia, and at higher rates than American white children and I believe, than Afro-American children.

    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.

    Maybe Somali women in Minnesota have more autistic children because they are stressed.

    Maybe children in Somalia aren’t diagnosed.

    Veiled and cloaked women suffer from vitamin D deficiency in even in sunny places near the equator.

    • Replies: @Whataboutery2020
    @Elli

    Autism is just another nonsense "disease" - having previously just meant an anti-social, twitchy little misfit - but having your brood diagnosed with it probably means the wi-man's dollars will just rolling in.

    , @Muggles
    @Elli


    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.
     
    One fairly straightforward explanation for this problem with Somalis and other Africans uprooted from former hunter-gather type tribal societies (as well as MENA and others) is that the ancient practice of first cousin or close family marriages remains pretty common there.

    Women are still "prized" and practically auctioned off, but arrangements between cousins and other clan kin is also done, especially in rural areas where villages tend to be small and separated.

    So in-breeding might be a real factor. This might also be a problem with American blacks though after many generations here that tendency has greatly diminished. It has been a noticeable problem in certain American Indian tribes as well as in some mountain "hillbilly" areas (whites).

    All "sect" type groups, mainly now religious, suffer this problem. Some go to some lengths to overcome this problem but if "modernism" is rejected it takes work.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @RonaldB
    @Elli

    Vitamin D deficiency has been credited for many deleterious effects. Surely if true, it would be easy to devise a controlled, randomized experiment where one random population is supplied with vitamin D and the other, sugar pills. After a year or two, differences of the magnitude claimed should be easily apparent.

  11. Maybe psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose black men as: “A violent criminal who should be convicted and imprisoned,” so they are more likely to hand out dubious diagnoses of schizophrenia?

    Kendi’s Fence – as you retweeted, the tendency for the new, new left to blame modern failures on the policies of the new left, which blamed their contemporaneous failures on the policies of the old left. All the while, calling the policies conservative.

    The idea of a ‘correctional facility’ if you think about it, is obviously the work of the old, old left.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @dvorak

    Not really. The idea of "correctional facility" is fully embraced by your new, new left when it is conservative demonstrators and Trump supporters who are incarcerated. Just like, the new, new left is fine with expanded police powers to go after Trump supporters, even while calling for defunding local police.

  12. “White people drive me crazy, yo!”

  13. This article is probably something like 90% true, and yet ends up being so so misleading because of its framing and assumptions.

    Specifically, they don’t broach the question of actual discrimination vs. perceived discrimination (at least that i can see).

    Black people who live in areas with more white people have more interactions with them. Thus the opportunity for real or imagined events of discrimination is higher.

    Stress of the sort they describe is very subjective. The same interaction in a store or on a street can be something that spikes your adrenaline and cortisol if you perceive it as an attack or racist or it can have zero effect on you if you don’t.

    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.

    A big component of mental well-being is feeling like you have agency in your life. The woke are gaslighting blacks by saying the exact opposite: that there’s racism in the very fabric of society that’s foiling their efforts. This will prime people to judge events through the lens of racism which will then increase stress.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @vhrm

    It's not 90% true.

    , @AnotherDad
    @vhrm



    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.
     
    Excellent comment vhrm. And absolutely solid gold paragraph here.


    I'd say the #1 issue is genes. But blacks being skitzo is overdetermined:

    -- being a reproductively successful African "big man" is not the same mental profile as being a reproductively success farmer in Western Europe

    -- black behaviors that are non-adaptive in civilization may be diagnosed as mental illness

    -- blacks are significantly more criminal, which in lifestyle, sense of security and in involvement with police and/or incarceration creates lots of negative social interactions which create more stress and potentially mental illness

    -- people are meant to live in their own culture with people like themselves
    -- immigration pulls people out of their natural environment--does destabilize people
    -- diversity does create conflict and contention and puts more mental stress on people

    -- blacks tend to have inferior--more unstable and violent--family environments growing up which probably leads to more mental illness

    -- blacks use more drugs which induces more mental instability/illness

    -- dark skinned people tend to be vitamin D deficient at high latitude

    -- blacks being told that "society" and "white people" are out to get them, both directly increases paranoia and reduces normal feelings of personal agency--ramping up feelings of helplessness, anger, depression

    So blacks more likely to be skitzo? Absolutely!

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  14. Does moving to a new country, with different cultures and traditions and ethnicities, lead to increased mental strain, especially for those with lower IQs? Likely.

    Are some groups incapable of complying with the demands of a modern society? Likely.

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    For the sake of blacks, the Western world must ban immediately the migration of blacks into Western nations and assist all blacks to leave Western nations. America must sacrifice its black athletes and its rappers, for the good of blacks and their mental health. It will be a tremendous sacrifice, but we must be willing to do it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Gaius Gracchus

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    There is no truth to it. Employment-to-population ratios for the black population are about 10% lower than those for the other racial categories.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Gaius Gracchus


    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.
     
    As ArtDeco points out, not the case on employment.

    But what is the case is losing the black 13% of its population would be a huge boon to the United States. Huge, valuable real estate opened up. Large drops in (deadweight) public expenditures. Huge drops in security costs. Huge improvements in crime and people's worries about it and behavioral modifications to protect against it. Large reductions in education expenditure coupled improved performance. And potentially huge improvements in educational system performance reoriented toward improved student population and higher standards. Large drops in legal and compliance costs and potentially huge drops down the road if the whole apparatus of minoritarianism--basically justified by "blacks oppressed!"--could be chucked. Massive improvement in our political life and in our ability to reign in the super-state. Potentially a return to republican government.

    It's hard to appreciate just how expensive blacks are to their fellow Americans and the huge improvement in quality of life that their absence would create.

    Replies: @martin_2, @BluEidDvl, @L. Guapo

    , @gent
    @Gaius Gracchus

    That Gracchus' name? Abraham Lincoln.

  15. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”.

    I wonder if there is any lesson we can learn from this hypothesis that might apply to white children in schools full of d-i-e-versity?

    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon


    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam…
     
    What is the relevance of scale to this?

    Replies: @anon

  16. • Thanks: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Desiderius

    She's upset because there aren't any statues that represent people like her. Well, at least since Neolithic times.

    https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Desiderius

    300 lb. Laquisha is kicking the ass of the flaccid conservative male. But continue with your smugness and inability to create new modes of thought while your face gets covered by grave dirt.

  17. So immigrants from Sub-Sah have a tough time when they move to advanced countries? It’s like going through a time warp. Of course they get spooked.

  18. Racism, is there any problem on earth that it doesn’t cause?

    At least future sociologists will learn that this is what “we” believed in 2021.

    “So now you see, class, that people in that era were generally crazy, but blamed that on imaginary things. Like ghosts and ‘racism’, whatever that was supposed to be.”

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Muggles

    You are vastly more hopeful about the future than is warranted by current events.

    , @John Johnson
    @Muggles

    At least future sociologists will learn that this is what “we” believed in 2021.

    “So now you see, class, that people in that era were generally crazy, but blamed that on imaginary things. Like ghosts and ‘racism’, whatever that was supposed to be.”

    No in the future social scientists will call themselves something else because the reputation of sociology will be irreparably damaged once the fraud is revealed.

    Sociology is really just leftists opining about what they would like to be true. Shame because it wasn't always that way.

    Sociology is as dedicated to honest scientific inquiry as Scientology.

    Japan already de-funded it.

  19. Psychotic episodes are quite often triggered by excessive consumption of marijuana, which could explain part of the racial disparity.

    They may be also some links with general intelligence level. For example it is noticeable that people of lower intelligence tend to mentally deteriorate much more after a few drinks of alcohol, because the alcohol-induced disinhibition prevents them from holding back on the stupid and delusional ideas that they hold, but usually managed to conceal.

    This is not to say that there are not some high IQ schizophrenics, but that most are not.

    However for a diagnosis of schizophrenia it is usually necessary for the patient to have more than one acute psychotic episode, and perhaps more significantly, to have a debilitating inability to function independently in society without getting into trouble with the law, or being economically independent.

    There is something to be said for the theory that certain ethnic ways of thinking get diagnosed as psychosis incorrectly, but a bigger problem is that in certain ethnic groups, when a person is clearly disordered in their thinking and behavior, this is not recognized, or it is denied.

    It is almost routine that whenever a person commits a horrible murder under the influence of mental illness, there will be members of their family interviewed by the press who will deny that there is really anything mentally much wrong with the offender.

    Another factor is that in certain groups a diagnosis of mental illness is often used as a way of escaping the consequences of crime, so may be welcomed. On the other hand you can be pretty sure that when the Ghislaine Maxwell case comes to trial, that she will not be pleading mental illness. Just not part of her culture.

    The books of former prison psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple shed a certain amount of light on the subject.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    @Jonathan Mason

    "On the other hand you can be pretty sure that when the Ghislaine Maxwell case comes to trial, that she will not be pleading mental illness. Just not part of her culture."

    That's an interesting point. Is there any data/anecdotes on this? Given that Jews have high rates of various mental illnesses, do they (on the infrequent times they are apprehended) ever plead insanity? Would it be considered "letting down the side?"

  20. Yet whites are ‘fragile.’

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @jamie b.

    White fragility would be when Biff Baxter denies that he is responsible for negro schizophrenia. Fragility is the whites' inability to take criticism

  21. Dr. Kwame McKenzie mentioned in the article oversaw the investigation of Dr. Kenneth Zucker at CAMH’s gender dysphoria clinic. There were trumped up allegations of malpractice by trans activists against Dr. Zucker. A total smear campaign that later proved completely false. Dr. McKenzie had Zucker fired and had his gender dysphoria clinic closed.

    Dr. Zucker later sued and settled for $586,000 in damages and received an apology from CAMH, but didn’t get his job back and his clinic is still closed. Dr. McKenzie evidently still works with CAMH and gets uncritical coverage in The Globe and Mail.

    Jesse Singal wrote an expose about the incident in New York Magazine.

    Eded

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    @eded


    Dr. Zucker later sued and settled for $586,000 in damages and received an apology from CAMH, but didn’t get his job back and his clinic is still closed... Jesse Singal wrote an expose about the incident in New York Magazine.
     
    That would be: https://www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

    I found particularly notable the Zucker success story that was the kid who didn't get his penis cut off, but is now a well adjusted homo.

    LOL!
  22. [MORE]

  23. Anonymous[480] • Disclaimer says:

    Is there any link between the traits of high self-regard and (over)confidence, on the one hand, and schizophrenia, on the other?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Is megalomania a form of mania?

  24. One simple explanation for a rise in schizophrenia would simply be the end of arranged marriages. In the old days when marriage was arranged by extended families people were given a sort of assurance that this was fitting into a bigger picture which was supposed to work. Granting that it didn’t really always work as well as some would like to imagine, there was some kind of structure. The liberalization which spread after the 19th century meant that people had more individual options and hence could choose a better mate, which undoubtedly sometimes happened. But it also forced people to be more aware of how what they were getting from a mate was really divorced from much else in their life. With an arranged marriage all of this was just one package. But with liberalized marriage there is greater awareness of how different disparate desires may be divorced from each other and reflect a schizophrenic quality.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Patrick McNally

    I don’t know if you are just discussing Africans living in the West or if you are referring to the general rise in schizophrenia among all populations in modern West. If you’re referring to the latter situation, marriages were never arranged among ordinary people in America (or Western/Central Europe for that matter).

    The pool of eligible brides/grooms might have been smaller due to less population movement, but arranged marriages were never a thing for 90 % of the population (exceptions might include people who were unlucky in finding someone by a certain age, or upper class types wanting to secure resources).

    , @Alden
    @Patrick McNally

    Schizophrenia is a genetic disease. It’s no more influenced by a patient’s marriage than hair color and texture, baldness and height.

    Plus it’s first manifestation is in the teens before most people, especially the men , were married or arrangements were being made. The medieval European ideal remember was man in his late 20s -33 or so woman 17-22. Since most of the men didn’t get married till at least 10 years after the first manifestations of schizophrenia I doubt their marriages had anything to do with it.

    Except for the Muslim ideal of 9-12 year old brides of course. Is that your fantasy? Arranged temporary marriages and quickie divorces with 11 year olds?

    Those medieval teen marriages were among royalty aristocracy and great families to consolidate economic and political power. Not applicable to 95 percent of the population. In Asia, it wasn’t marriage. Just parents selling their daughters as concubines geishas and prostitutes.

    Replies: @epochehusserl

  25. @inertial

    Dr. Kirkbride contends that, for ethnic communities, eliminating structural racism could reduce the incidence of psychosis by as much as 70 per cent.
     
    Science!

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Peter D. Bredon

    Dr. Kirkbride contends that, for ethnic communities, eliminating structural racism could reduce the incidence of psychosis by as much as 70 per cent.

    Two possibilities here. First of all, my own calculations indicate that the correct figure is only 17.3%, which is Science, and casts rather a different complexion upon the matter, does it not?

    Secondly, what if eliminating “structural racism” reduces psychosis in “ethnic communities” but increases it (correspondingly, of course) in, ahem, non-ethnic communities? What then?? This is also science, I hasten to add.

    Everything I say is Science, in point of fact. That’s just the kind of guy I am.

  26. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    Not based on that single symptom, no, but it could be a contributor.

    Queen Victoria could say that she was appointed by God to rule half the planet, and she would not be diagnosed with schizophrenia, but if somebody presented in the local accident and emergency room after walking naked down the street and made the same claim, it would carry different weight.

  27. [MORE]

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Desiderius

    You and Johnny Walker should get together for a game of OT Maid.


    https://www.israelbookshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/JET-203_2_540x540.jpg

  28. Do blacks have higher schizophrenia rates in Minneapolis than in Mississippi due to the latitude difference?

    I think zip codes are to blame.

  29. @Reg Cæsar

    Do blacks have higher schizophrenia rates in Minneapolis than in Mississippi due to the latitude difference?
     
    Minneapolis is closer to the Equator than to the North Pole. The 45th parallel runs through the northern reaches of the city (including black North Minneapolis), but due to the shape of the earth, the actual halfway line lies about ten miles to the north, in the suburbs.

    Another geographic oddity of the city is that it's closer to Dakar than its Sister City of Bosaso, Somali[a/land] is.

    Oops... it's neither. Bosaso is the capital of Puntland.


    Chinese-built airport in Somalia to boost trade: officials



    http://web.archive.org/web/20071030013149im_/http://www.puntlandgovt.com/images2/MAP_PUNTLAND.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    I love how the Chinese were all about “we going to leverage Africa! Chinee Century!”

    Then later, a certain amount of actual contact has those abacuses in play again.

    • LOL: Cortes
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Hangnail Hans


    I love how the Chinese were all about “we going to leverage Africa! Chinee Century!”
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzpAduAiKKg
  30. @inertial

    Dr. Kirkbride contends that, for ethnic communities, eliminating structural racism could reduce the incidence of psychosis by as much as 70 per cent.
     
    Science!

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Peter D. Bredon

    Yeah, “science” is when a goodthinker “contends” something.

  31. @Muggles
    Racism, is there any problem on earth that it doesn't cause?

    At least future sociologists will learn that this is what "we" believed in 2021.

    "So now you see, class, that people in that era were generally crazy, but blamed that on imaginary things. Like ghosts and 'racism', whatever that was supposed to be."

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @John Johnson

    You are vastly more hopeful about the future than is warranted by current events.

  32. @Jonathan Mason
    Psychotic episodes are quite often triggered by excessive consumption of marijuana, which could explain part of the racial disparity.

    They may be also some links with general intelligence level. For example it is noticeable that people of lower intelligence tend to mentally deteriorate much more after a few drinks of alcohol, because the alcohol-induced disinhibition prevents them from holding back on the stupid and delusional ideas that they hold, but usually managed to conceal.

    This is not to say that there are not some high IQ schizophrenics, but that most are not.

    However for a diagnosis of schizophrenia it is usually necessary for the patient to have more than one acute psychotic episode, and perhaps more significantly, to have a debilitating inability to function independently in society without getting into trouble with the law, or being economically independent.

    There is something to be said for the theory that certain ethnic ways of thinking get diagnosed as psychosis incorrectly, but a bigger problem is that in certain ethnic groups, when a person is clearly disordered in their thinking and behavior, this is not recognized, or it is denied.

    It is almost routine that whenever a person commits a horrible murder under the influence of mental illness, there will be members of their family interviewed by the press who will deny that there is really anything mentally much wrong with the offender.

    Another factor is that in certain groups a diagnosis of mental illness is often used as a way of escaping the consequences of crime, so may be welcomed. On the other hand you can be pretty sure that when the Ghislaine Maxwell case comes to trial, that she will not be pleading mental illness. Just not part of her culture.

    The books of former prison psychiatrist Theodore Dalrymple shed a certain amount of light on the subject.

    Replies: @Peter D. Bredon

    “On the other hand you can be pretty sure that when the Ghislaine Maxwell case comes to trial, that she will not be pleading mental illness. Just not part of her culture.”

    That’s an interesting point. Is there any data/anecdotes on this? Given that Jews have high rates of various mental illnesses, do they (on the infrequent times they are apprehended) ever plead insanity? Would it be considered “letting down the side?”

  33. One of the most disturbing things to me is why, highly credentialed people, including doctors manage to devote themselves to thing extraneous to their field.

    One never hears of chemists or civil engineers pondering eschatological questions about race and using the imprimatur of their educational specialty to give credence to their theories. Would a civil engineer, e.g., opine on why it might be necessary to install larger diameter sewage pipes in a white neighborhood because its inhabitants shower and defecate more often?

    Would a chemist suggest that the chemical formula for food additives or dyes be altered because Chinese people can’t tolerate the same dosage as Europeans?

    Maybe electrical engineers should study if microwave radiation emitted from our cellphones and appliances has different effects on different ethnic groups. It might be a lucrative field of study unless it turns out that negroes are adversely affected by cellphones. Then what? Reduce negro usage of cellphones? Require them to wear protective apparatus while using them.

    • Replies: @One of the Last Few Patriots Left
    @UNIT472

    "Require them to wear protective apparatus while using them."

    I wear my tin foil hat 24/7 and see how well I turned out!

  34. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he’d have been DX’d schizophrenic, right?

    Seventy years ago, he’d be a celebrity.

    Which federal agency does not recognize “sex changes”. Hint: it’s the one you haven’t thought about for 40 years.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Reg Cæsar

    That was exactly my thought RC. Jorgensen's wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Died at 63 from lung and bladder cancer and Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda. There is a whole deck of pub trivia quiz questions on that page.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ragno

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Reg Cæsar


    Alert Raj Chetty: the Harvard economist who works with colossal datasets of 1040s, imprisonment, SAT scores, etc. has been preaching that the best thing black mothers can do for their sons is to move them far away from other black youth out into white neighborhoods
     
    Lordy Lordy, looks like you may have to White Flight again!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/03/9f/08039f843b5899f896f3ee4d4127ef43.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  35. @Desiderius


    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1414026494985207808?s=20

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You and Johnny Walker should get together for a game of OT Maid.

  36. @Anonymous
    Is there any link between the traits of high self-regard and (over)confidence, on the one hand, and schizophrenia, on the other?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Is megalomania a form of mania?

  37. Like all such research, it assumes that if minorities report negative experiences when around whites, that must be due to white racism.

    But it could also be due to anti-white racism on the part of the minorities.

    If a minority feels stress while around whites, or has paranoid thoughts about the intentions of his white neighbors, that could just as well be due to anti-white racism.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  38. @jamie b.
    Yet whites are 'fragile.'

    Replies: @James Speaks

    White fragility would be when Biff Baxter denies that he is responsible for negro schizophrenia. Fragility is the whites’ inability to take criticism

  39. @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    That is a fascinating thread, and I can see how migrants to another country might have higher rates of schizophrenia. One common trait in schizophrenics is that they misinterpret social cues. This is a tendency that would become even more common in an area with people from different cultures that rely on different social cues when interacting with others.

    • Thanks: ben tillman
  40. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    yet steve thinks mental illness (like IQ scores, personality, etc.) falls from the sky like a meteor. or he thinks it’s duh genes yo because muh twin studies yo.

    steve should marx more.

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons. the focus on various identities as the sole personal characteristic subject to illegitimate discrimination is an intentional distraction from inequality and subjective means of admissions, hiring, promotion, etc. which perpetuate it. american life is largely an olympic figure skating competition. dumb gay people like libertarians, charles murray, and steve think figure skating is just like sprinting. sad.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons.
     
    Black men face discrimination every day. For being male. Nobody, not even black men themselves, complains about that.

    A 2001 University of Georgia study found substantial disparity in the criminal sentencing that men and women received "after controlling for extensive criminological, demographic, and socioeconomic variables". The study found that in US federal courts, "blacks and males are... less likely to get no prison term when that option is available; less likely to receive downward departures [from the guidelines]; and more likely to receive upward adjustments and, conditioned on having a downward departure, receive smaller reductions than whites and females".

    In 2005 Max Schanzenbach found that "increasing the proportion of female judges in a district decreases the sex disparity" in sentencing which he interprets as "evidence of a paternalistic bias among male judges that favors female offenders".

    In 2006 Ann Martin Stacey and Cassia Spohn found that women receive more lenient sentences than men after controlling for presumptive sentence, family responsibilities, offender characteristics, and other legally relevant variables, based on examination of three US district courts.

    In 2012 Sonja B. Starr from University of Michigan Law School found that, controlling for the crime, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted", also based on data from US federal court cases.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity#Evidence
     

    , @Henry's Cat
    @anon

    It also appears that speaking English in rich countries is positively correlated with mental illness. But what is the correlation between mental illness (or its diagnosis, at least) and income/wealth within these countries? My guess would be that employed adults who are married and have children have the lowest rate of mental illness.

    , @Forbes
    @anon

    I'd speculate the correlation of diagnoses with healthcare spending (per capita, pct of GDP) is even higher/better fit than this illustration.

    Also, exempting English-speaking countries makes the slope (nearly) horizontal, and hence no relationship.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @anon

    That graph is disingenuous nonsense.

    It is a cherry-picked effort that only shows which of those countries picked, have a long-established culture of labelling things.

    It is a graph of analytical versus continental philosophy. With Japan, being Eastern, operating as an extreme outlier of the Continental kind, exactly as Eastern philosophy operates.

    Unsurprisingly, if you label a lot of things and people, you will have a higher incidence of people labelled with the term "mental illness."

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he’d have been DX’d schizophrenic, right?
     
    Seventy years ago, he'd be a celebrity.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0167/7594/files/Christine_Jorgensen_Pic_1.png?4442755690202448327


    Which federal agency does not recognize "sex changes". Hint: it's the one you haven't thought about for 40 years.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @RichardTaylor

    That was exactly my thought RC. Jorgensen’s wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Died at 63 from lung and bladder cancer and Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda. There is a whole deck of pub trivia quiz questions on that page.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Morton's toes

    My mother's workplace hosted a RIF program which left a box of books anyone could take. One of those I brought home was her autobiography. I'm sure Mom was worried. But it was more like reading Stephen King-- fascinating, but nothing I'd want to experience myself or see happen to anyone I knew.

    , @Ragno
    @Morton's toes


    Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda.
     
    Like most Ed Wood movies, it should be watched, if only for surreal hilarity. Insofar as modern manias go, Ed's version was almost normal, as his kink was transvestitism - periodically dressing up like a woman for a sex thrill, but otherwise living his everyday life as a man.

    I know what you're thinking: how could "dressing up like a woman for a sex thrill" be remotely considered normal? Because everything's relative.... and in a world where "educators" prescribe hormone-blockers for small children and insistently recommend life-altering surgery for teenagers, while the government punishes those of its citizens who refuse to adhere to charts of invented sexualities and wholly-arbitrary pronouns.....well.....secretly wearing a garter belt under your work dungarees so you can cum in your pants during your lunch break is normal - comparatively, anyway.
  42. @Gaius Gracchus
    Does moving to a new country, with different cultures and traditions and ethnicities, lead to increased mental strain, especially for those with lower IQs? Likely.

    Are some groups incapable of complying with the demands of a modern society? Likely.

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    For the sake of blacks, the Western world must ban immediately the migration of blacks into Western nations and assist all blacks to leave Western nations. America must sacrifice its black athletes and its rappers, for the good of blacks and their mental health. It will be a tremendous sacrifice, but we must be willing to do it.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad, @gent

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    There is no truth to it. Employment-to-population ratios for the black population are about 10% lower than those for the other racial categories.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  43. @vhrm
    This article is probably something like 90% true, and yet ends up being so so misleading because of its framing and assumptions.

    Specifically, they don't broach the question of actual discrimination vs. perceived discrimination (at least that i can see).

    Black people who live in areas with more white people have more interactions with them. Thus the opportunity for real or imagined events of discrimination is higher.

    Stress of the sort they describe is very subjective. The same interaction in a store or on a street can be something that spikes your adrenaline and cortisol if you perceive it as an attack or racist or it can have zero effect on you if you don't.

    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.

    A big component of mental well-being is feeling like you have agency in your life. The woke are gaslighting blacks by saying the exact opposite: that there's racism in the very fabric of society that's foiling their efforts. This will prime people to judge events through the lens of racism which will then increase stress.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AnotherDad

    It’s not 90% true.

  44. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:

    More like white racism is the product of black psychopathy.

    Of course, we mean know-racism as opposed to igno-racism or ignorant racism.

    Igno-racism would be negative feelings about another group based on unfounded fears and ignorance.

    But know-racism would be feelings based on actual observation and knowledge.

    White know-racism is the product of black psychopathy in attitude and behavior.

    At any rate, while society denounces know-racism(in some ways more than igno-racism), it indulges and encourages black psychopathy as righteous rage at whiteness which is always racist.

    “White man ate my homework.”

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
  45. Anon[554] • Disclaimer says:

    I have often wondered how many young men in their late teens and early twenties cracked up after they tried drugs for the first time. Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to get an honest answer out of most people about their usage. Blacks mainly go crazy because they’re using drugs.

    I’ve heard idiots remark that blacks sometimes have a yellow coloring in the whites of their eyes because it’s a racial trait. They don’t seem to be aware that if you smoke a lot of weed, it will turn the whites of your eyes yellow. Blacks do a lot more drugs than whites are aware of. When you see a black with yellow eyes, you’re looking at a drug user.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Anon

    They don’t seem to be aware that if you smoke a lot of weed, it will turn the whites of your eyes yellow. Blacks do a lot more drugs than whites are aware of. When you see a black with yellow eyes, you’re looking at a drug user.

    Makes sense. Or hepatitis, liver disease, alcoholism, or sickle cell anemia.

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/causes-of-yellow-eyes
    https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/jaundice-why-happens-adults
    https://www.healthline.com/health/yellow-eyes#causes

  46. • Agree: Desiderius
  47. @Morton's toes
    @Reg Cæsar

    That was exactly my thought RC. Jorgensen's wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Died at 63 from lung and bladder cancer and Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda. There is a whole deck of pub trivia quiz questions on that page.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ragno

    My mother’s workplace hosted a RIF program which left a box of books anyone could take. One of those I brought home was her autobiography. I’m sure Mom was worried. But it was more like reading Stephen King– fascinating, but nothing I’d want to experience myself or see happen to anyone I knew.

  48. [MORE]

  49. I think a lot of them grow up thinking the sun shines out their ample hottentot-like backsides then, when they discover that no-one is interesting in “aspiring musicians”, they hit the skunk or the crackpipe and it drives them mad.

  50. @anon
    yet steve thinks mental illness (like IQ scores, personality, etc.) falls from the sky like a meteor. or he thinks it's duh genes yo because muh twin studies yo.

    steve should marx more.

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons. the focus on various identities as the sole personal characteristic subject to illegitimate discrimination is an intentional distraction from inequality and subjective means of admissions, hiring, promotion, etc. which perpetuate it. american life is largely an olympic figure skating competition. dumb gay people like libertarians, charles murray, and steve think figure skating is just like sprinting. sad.

    https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/620/public/mental%20illness.jpg?itok=naWaOKS6

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Henry's Cat, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons.

    Black men face discrimination every day. For being male. Nobody, not even black men themselves, complains about that.

    A 2001 University of Georgia study found substantial disparity in the criminal sentencing that men and women received “after controlling for extensive criminological, demographic, and socioeconomic variables”. The study found that in US federal courts, “blacks and males are… less likely to get no prison term when that option is available; less likely to receive downward departures [from the guidelines]; and more likely to receive upward adjustments and, conditioned on having a downward departure, receive smaller reductions than whites and females”.

    In 2005 Max Schanzenbach found that “increasing the proportion of female judges in a district decreases the sex disparity” in sentencing which he interprets as “evidence of a paternalistic bias among male judges that favors female offenders”.

    In 2006 Ann Martin Stacey and Cassia Spohn found that women receive more lenient sentences than men after controlling for presumptive sentence, family responsibilities, offender characteristics, and other legally relevant variables, based on examination of three US district courts.

    In 2012 Sonja B. Starr from University of Michigan Law School found that, controlling for the crime, “men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do,” and “[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted”, also based on data from US federal court cases.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity#Evidence

  51. @Elli
    Is this your longest column, Steve?

    In Minnesota, Somali children are diagnosed with autism at higher rates than they are in Somalia, and at higher rates than American white children and I believe, than Afro-American children.

    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.

    Maybe Somali women in Minnesota have more autistic children because they are stressed.

    Maybe children in Somalia aren't diagnosed.

    Veiled and cloaked women suffer from vitamin D deficiency in even in sunny places near the equator.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Muggles, @RonaldB

    Autism is just another nonsense “disease” – having previously just meant an anti-social, twitchy little misfit – but having your brood diagnosed with it probably means the wi-man’s dollars will just rolling in.

    • Agree: epochehusserl
    • Thanks: Angharad
    • Troll: James Speaks
  52. So the gist of this is that for their own health and safety black people should be kept as far away from white people as possible.

    Uh … ok! Let’s come together to make that happen.

    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    @AnotherDad

    Since these Dindus see America as a White ruled hellhole, let's save all if them by shipping them back to Africa. No White Supremacy in Ghana or Congo.

  53. You utterly deconstructed this article. Good show.

  54. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paperback Writer


    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he’d have been DX’d schizophrenic, right?
     
    Seventy years ago, he'd be a celebrity.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0167/7594/files/Christine_Jorgensen_Pic_1.png?4442755690202448327


    Which federal agency does not recognize "sex changes". Hint: it's the one you haven't thought about for 40 years.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @RichardTaylor

    Alert Raj Chetty: the Harvard economist who works with colossal datasets of 1040s, imprisonment, SAT scores, etc. has been preaching that the best thing black mothers can do for their sons is to move them far away from other black youth out into white neighborhoods

    Lordy Lordy, looks like you may have to White Flight again!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor

    Slavery isn't coming back, Dick.

  55. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @PennTothal
    Early exposure to marijuana (think 11 and 12 year-olds) may play a role in psychotic mental illnesses later in adulthood.

    I suspect that reducing early exposure to marijuana will have a larger effect than fighting against structural racism in reducing the incidence of psychotic illness in these men.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Anonymous

    It’s pretty scary to think about how many black children over the last twenty-plus years have been daily exposed to roomfulls of marijuana smoke.

  56. @Gaius Gracchus
    Does moving to a new country, with different cultures and traditions and ethnicities, lead to increased mental strain, especially for those with lower IQs? Likely.

    Are some groups incapable of complying with the demands of a modern society? Likely.

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    For the sake of blacks, the Western world must ban immediately the migration of blacks into Western nations and assist all blacks to leave Western nations. America must sacrifice its black athletes and its rappers, for the good of blacks and their mental health. It will be a tremendous sacrifice, but we must be willing to do it.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad, @gent

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    As ArtDeco points out, not the case on employment.

    But what is the case is losing the black 13% of its population would be a huge boon to the United States. Huge, valuable real estate opened up. Large drops in (deadweight) public expenditures. Huge drops in security costs. Huge improvements in crime and people’s worries about it and behavioral modifications to protect against it. Large reductions in education expenditure coupled improved performance. And potentially huge improvements in educational system performance reoriented toward improved student population and higher standards. Large drops in legal and compliance costs and potentially huge drops down the road if the whole apparatus of minoritarianism–basically justified by “blacks oppressed!”–could be chucked. Massive improvement in our political life and in our ability to reign in the super-state. Potentially a return to republican government.

    It’s hard to appreciate just how expensive blacks are to their fellow Americans and the huge improvement in quality of life that their absence would create.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @AnotherDad

    Surely then the importation of black slaves was the biggest mistake in the United States' history and on that basis the statues to the slave owners should come down.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @BluEidDvl
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve often thought of this very scenario myself. I’ve always been intrigued & fascinated by the sub-genre of history/science fiction of the multiverse or alternate history. What if say starting in the late 1860s the U.S. actually DID repatriate the recently freed slaves back to Africa which was Lincoln’s original plan?. I think of the countless, myriad ways our society would be improved. Of course, we’d HAVE to get control of the parasitic (((tribe))) that has so degraded our society with its usurious banking system & control of the media. But just think of how much better our cities, our schools, our very society would be if we didn’t have this enormous millstone around our necks with their presence?. The countless White women raped. The plethora once great cities destroyed. The culture utterly degraded. The schools rendered useless to accommodate them. The immense treasure spent just to try & contain their enormous dysfunctions & ineptitude. Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔

    Replies: @Alden, @AnotherDad

    , @L. Guapo
    @AnotherDad

    There's another 2% that's even worse. Much worse.

  57. It’s a question of human rights and social justice.

    Of course, social justice differs from the ordinary legal justice in the way it expedites the results by ignoring the fourth amendment, and if YT tries to invoke the fifth, well then that’s white fragility. The solution, of course, is mental health equity. I doubt that negroes wil ever rise from their psychological quagmire; it is more likely that equty wil be achieved by lobotomzing whites until the number remaining that is not vegged out approximates the 25% of the negro population that is at least semi-functional.

  58. @AnotherDad
    @Gaius Gracchus


    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.
     
    As ArtDeco points out, not the case on employment.

    But what is the case is losing the black 13% of its population would be a huge boon to the United States. Huge, valuable real estate opened up. Large drops in (deadweight) public expenditures. Huge drops in security costs. Huge improvements in crime and people's worries about it and behavioral modifications to protect against it. Large reductions in education expenditure coupled improved performance. And potentially huge improvements in educational system performance reoriented toward improved student population and higher standards. Large drops in legal and compliance costs and potentially huge drops down the road if the whole apparatus of minoritarianism--basically justified by "blacks oppressed!"--could be chucked. Massive improvement in our political life and in our ability to reign in the super-state. Potentially a return to republican government.

    It's hard to appreciate just how expensive blacks are to their fellow Americans and the huge improvement in quality of life that their absence would create.

    Replies: @martin_2, @BluEidDvl, @L. Guapo

    Surely then the importation of black slaves was the biggest mistake in the United States’ history and on that basis the statues to the slave owners should come down.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @martin_2

    As it is the biggest mistake surely we should fix the biggest mistake, not worry about statues. Stasis feel emotions over statues.

  59. @vhrm
    This article is probably something like 90% true, and yet ends up being so so misleading because of its framing and assumptions.

    Specifically, they don't broach the question of actual discrimination vs. perceived discrimination (at least that i can see).

    Black people who live in areas with more white people have more interactions with them. Thus the opportunity for real or imagined events of discrimination is higher.

    Stress of the sort they describe is very subjective. The same interaction in a store or on a street can be something that spikes your adrenaline and cortisol if you perceive it as an attack or racist or it can have zero effect on you if you don't.

    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.

    A big component of mental well-being is feeling like you have agency in your life. The woke are gaslighting blacks by saying the exact opposite: that there's racism in the very fabric of society that's foiling their efforts. This will prime people to judge events through the lens of racism which will then increase stress.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AnotherDad

    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.

    Excellent comment vhrm. And absolutely solid gold paragraph here.

    I’d say the #1 issue is genes. But blacks being skitzo is overdetermined:

    — being a reproductively successful African “big man” is not the same mental profile as being a reproductively success farmer in Western Europe

    — black behaviors that are non-adaptive in civilization may be diagnosed as mental illness

    — blacks are significantly more criminal, which in lifestyle, sense of security and in involvement with police and/or incarceration creates lots of negative social interactions which create more stress and potentially mental illness

    — people are meant to live in their own culture with people like themselves
    — immigration pulls people out of their natural environment–does destabilize people
    — diversity does create conflict and contention and puts more mental stress on people

    — blacks tend to have inferior–more unstable and violent–family environments growing up which probably leads to more mental illness

    — blacks use more drugs which induces more mental instability/illness

    — dark skinned people tend to be vitamin D deficient at high latitude

    — blacks being told that “society” and “white people” are out to get them, both directly increases paranoia and reduces normal feelings of personal agency–ramping up feelings of helplessness, anger, depression

    So blacks more likely to be skitzo? Absolutely!

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @AnotherDad


    blacks being told that “society” and “white people” are out to get them, both directly increases paranoia and reduces normal feelings of personal agency–ramping up feelings of helplessness, anger, depression
     
    Being taught this everywhere they turn, all day every day. Anything they're not happy about, it's the fault of White Christian Males, who embody every sort of evil and stole the Black Man's birthright a thousand times over.

    The propaganda of today is custom-tailored to ensure that the Black Man has every right and reason to hold the nearest white male responsible, nay, culpable...For anything and everything, as we see through countless examples in this very forum.

    Very very few are smart enough to see through the propaganda, and fewer still are even motivated to try. Why would they?

  60. If the good doctor, emboldened, notices that blacks commit more crime and the sun sets in the Wast, we might be on the verge of another two scientific revolutions.

  61. How is it that there is now a genome-wide-association-score for schizophrenia that allows prediction of the condition from a prenatal test in the womb, but miraculously white people yet to be encountered by the pre-born black bambino are responsible for his years-in-the-future condition?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    I think the explanation is this: humans are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia to varying degrees. Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier). Others are only somewhat predisposed and perhaps only to milder forms of the disease, such that if they have good parenting and a quiet, drug free, stress free life in a homogeneous community the disease will never manifest itself to the point where they have a psychotic break. Perhaps they even have mild symptoms, but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms - they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind. Or they are seen as a harmless eccentrics or fools with some odd beliefs or they are kept sheltered by their parents and family at home such that they are never diagnosed as schizophrenic.

    However, if this same individual is plucked from his village and culture and taken to live in a chaotic urban environment, he cracks under the stress. And at some point his mother (there is usually no father in the picture) is unwilling or unable to control his behaviors and he ends up homeless or in an institution.

    The manner in which schizophrenia is explained is always influenced by culture. In the past, it was believed that the patient was possessed by evil spirits or Satan. At one point when Freud was in vogue, it was due to bad parenting (see my comment above). In today's society, whitey is to blame. People always need to find a human cause for everything, even impersonal forces like markets or the weather.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Anon

  62. Cmv says:

    Schizophrenia is also strongly correlated with degree of urbanisation and living in big cities, especially during one’s early critical years.

    This may be a confounding variable, given the propensity of African blacks everywhere to situate themselves in overcrowded, inner-city slum areas.

    This article might be part of that wider master plan to move blacks out of potential high-value, urban real estate to the ‘burbs.

  63. @AnotherDad
    @vhrm



    Anyway, without writing a book here there IS a societal intervention that can be applied and it has nothing to do with what they say. The biggest fix for the problems they describe is to stop trying to convince black people that society is racist and keeping them down.
     
    Excellent comment vhrm. And absolutely solid gold paragraph here.


    I'd say the #1 issue is genes. But blacks being skitzo is overdetermined:

    -- being a reproductively successful African "big man" is not the same mental profile as being a reproductively success farmer in Western Europe

    -- black behaviors that are non-adaptive in civilization may be diagnosed as mental illness

    -- blacks are significantly more criminal, which in lifestyle, sense of security and in involvement with police and/or incarceration creates lots of negative social interactions which create more stress and potentially mental illness

    -- people are meant to live in their own culture with people like themselves
    -- immigration pulls people out of their natural environment--does destabilize people
    -- diversity does create conflict and contention and puts more mental stress on people

    -- blacks tend to have inferior--more unstable and violent--family environments growing up which probably leads to more mental illness

    -- blacks use more drugs which induces more mental instability/illness

    -- dark skinned people tend to be vitamin D deficient at high latitude

    -- blacks being told that "society" and "white people" are out to get them, both directly increases paranoia and reduces normal feelings of personal agency--ramping up feelings of helplessness, anger, depression

    So blacks more likely to be skitzo? Absolutely!

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    blacks being told that “society” and “white people” are out to get them, both directly increases paranoia and reduces normal feelings of personal agency–ramping up feelings of helplessness, anger, depression

    Being taught this everywhere they turn, all day every day. Anything they’re not happy about, it’s the fault of White Christian Males, who embody every sort of evil and stole the Black Man’s birthright a thousand times over.

    The propaganda of today is custom-tailored to ensure that the Black Man has every right and reason to hold the nearest white male responsible, nay, culpable…For anything and everything, as we see through countless examples in this very forum.

    Very very few are smart enough to see through the propaganda, and fewer still are even motivated to try. Why would they?

    • Agree: By-tor
  64. Blacks suffer higher rates of schizophrenia….unsurprising. Given the kind of boastful bragging blacks do with absolute confidence, its not a wonder they’ve managed to convince themselves of things that aren’t true.

  65. This was their second son now suffering from psychosis, the father explained. How could they stop it from happening to their other children? Dr. McKenzie didn’t have a good answer. He resolved to find one.

    I would suggest sacrificing a chicken. If symptoms persists, try an albino.

    • Agree: James Speaks, By-tor
    • LOL: Alden, Adam Smith
  66. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:

    Likely the genetic variants linked to what the medical fraternity term ‘schizophrenia’ were of beneficial value – that is were ‘selected for’ – in the native environment in which the black populations of Canada originated from.
    Speculating, perhaps a mild hetero zygotic inheritance of the relevant alleles, which will present in the majority of the population, is linked with increased ‘aggression’ – a trait of great reproductive importance in the ancestral environment – but mild association with psychosis. Perhaps the homo zygotic variant combines aggression with outright delusion.

    The analogy here is with sickle cell.

  67. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @PennTothal
    Early exposure to marijuana (think 11 and 12 year-olds) may play a role in psychotic mental illnesses later in adulthood.

    I suspect that reducing early exposure to marijuana will have a larger effect than fighting against structural racism in reducing the incidence of psychotic illness in these men.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Anonymous

    Early exposure to marijuana (think 11 and 12 year-olds) may play a role in psychotic mental illnesses later in adulthood.

    So can being molested by adult relatives, which is a BIG problem in the black community that has never been given a proper spotlight in the media, let alone the metoo hypocrites.

    Too many black women, and men, have very unpleasant prepubescent stories that could go a long way in explaining a lot of black impulsive narcissistic behavior. Too many adult black men just can’t seem to stop themselves, regardless of the price they might have to pay…

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/falcons-linebacker-barkevious-mingo-charged-with-indecency-with-child/

  68. @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    A few studies, that show how much schizophrenia and – migration (race) hang together. Black migrants showing a risk that is 5 to 9 times higher than that of the – Westerners, living in their home country:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2894585/
    https://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i1030
    https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.ajp.162.1.12
    https://academic.oup.com/schizophreniabulletin/article/44/suppl_1/S270/4957726

    • Thanks: By-tor, Escher
  69. A psychiatrist utterly repudiated by his confreres thought of schizophrenia this way: “What we call schizophrenia is often the result of a certain kind of the childhood development with respect to rulefollowing. Normally, the child learns his basic repertory of rules through loving submission to adult authority: language, patterns of dress, and a great deal of everyday conduct are learned in this way. If the adult is uncaring, or is not respected by the child, we witness the development of the coercive megalomania so typical of the behavior of the person later diagnosed as schizophrenic. This usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect, the young person becomes his own lawgiver. He acts and feels as if there were nothing he could not do (especially if he tried hard enough); and nothing he should not be allowed to do. And he comes to believe that if he cannot do something, it must not be worth doing. Such a person then tries to live not by the rule that anything worth doing is worth doing well, but by the maxim that only those things are worth doing that he already knows how to do well; and since he does not know how to do anything well, he alternately pretends and claims mastery of arts, crafts, and knowledge he does not possess; and scornfully rejects the value of all practical endeavors. In short, (some) schizophrenia is a type of arrogance and immodesty.”

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Tono Bungay

    Tono, you obviously have never interacted with someone with schizophrenia. Your description of the aetiology and symptoms of the disease are improvised. I had a friend with the disease (white not black) which presented in his late teens. It is to some extent genetic; he had 2 brothers with the same disease and his father was seriously crazy.

    As the term indicates, the sufferer's mind is cut in two and he - it is mostly an affliction of males - is cut off from reality as the rest of us experience and interpret the real world. His thinking in many realms is delusional. For example my friend saw signage on trucks in the street addressed to him personally instructing him to do one or another crazy thing. I believe it is something other than what is termed general dementia because it is selective.

    , @Jack D
    @Tono Bungay

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    "this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect..."

    I don't know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen's parents for a clinical disease because you don't know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child's disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn't surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Inquiring Mind

    , @vhrm
    @Tono Bungay

    This appears to be by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz

    From his 1973 book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sin-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0385046383/

    (found via https://existentialstoic.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/the-second-sin/ )

    I'm no expert, but i certainly sympathize with his criticism of overly medicalizing the human condition.

    A year or two ago youtube fed me this 10 yo lecture on schizophrenia by Professor Robert Sapolsky in a Psych class at Stanford. (starts at 23:40 in the video though should be queued up already)

    I've found it a pretty compelling overview. He points out that it's a whole family of diseases, and some of the symptoms are just extreme cases of otherwise normal traits, but it effectively conveys, imo, that there's some real THERE there and this isn't just made up.

    https://youtu.be/nEnklxGAmak?t=1420

    One takeaway, is that it makes me thankful for my mostly neurotypical and reasonably functioning brain.

    While i hate what the CRT people have done with and want to do with "white privilege", "ableism" et al, the "There but for the grace of God go I " is true in many ways and definitely this one.

  70. @AnotherDad
    @Gaius Gracchus


    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.
     
    As ArtDeco points out, not the case on employment.

    But what is the case is losing the black 13% of its population would be a huge boon to the United States. Huge, valuable real estate opened up. Large drops in (deadweight) public expenditures. Huge drops in security costs. Huge improvements in crime and people's worries about it and behavioral modifications to protect against it. Large reductions in education expenditure coupled improved performance. And potentially huge improvements in educational system performance reoriented toward improved student population and higher standards. Large drops in legal and compliance costs and potentially huge drops down the road if the whole apparatus of minoritarianism--basically justified by "blacks oppressed!"--could be chucked. Massive improvement in our political life and in our ability to reign in the super-state. Potentially a return to republican government.

    It's hard to appreciate just how expensive blacks are to their fellow Americans and the huge improvement in quality of life that their absence would create.

    Replies: @martin_2, @BluEidDvl, @L. Guapo

    I’ve often thought of this very scenario myself. I’ve always been intrigued & fascinated by the sub-genre of history/science fiction of the multiverse or alternate history. What if say starting in the late 1860s the U.S. actually DID repatriate the recently freed slaves back to Africa which was Lincoln’s original plan?. I think of the countless, myriad ways our society would be improved. Of course, we’d HAVE to get control of the parasitic (((tribe))) that has so degraded our society with its usurious banking system & control of the media. But just think of how much better our cities, our schools, our very society would be if we didn’t have this enormous millstone around our necks with their presence?. The countless White women raped. The plethora once great cities destroyed. The culture utterly degraded. The schools rendered useless to accommodate them. The immense treasure spent just to try & contain their enormous dysfunctions & ineptitude. Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Alden
    @BluEidDvl

    I think of not the taxpayers billions that could have been spent on forests infrastructure schools etc but kept by the individual taxpayers to spend as they wish.

    , @AnotherDad
    @BluEidDvl


    Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔
     
    One of things i didn't mention is that public transportation in the US is worse than in other 1st world nations. A big part of this is that being with "the public" is less appealing.

    And--as Alden alluded to--a bunch of these taxes could have been left with the taxpayer! allowing productive people to have larger families--which is much easier in the absence of the pressure on housing and schools that "diversity" creates.
  71. “Alternatively, can the voices in your head cause you to perceive more racism than actually exists?”

    No need for a voice in ones head, just turn on CNN or NBC or MSNBC etc. etc. etc.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  72. sense of isolation even in a crowded place

    The underlying explanation for Sailer’s law of mass shootings?

  73. “Shawn Pendenque went to jail for four months after he wrote an angry letter to judges and court officials. He wonders whether, because he is Black, authorities rushed to charge him with sending death threats instead of suspecting he had a mental illness.”

    One has to “wonder” about how much training and encouragement Shawn had in order to get him to do the kind of “wondering” that leads to the bullet-proof excuse for doing whatever you want to do, no matter how stupid or violent it is. My guess is that Shawn’s cognitive machinery is seriously under powered when it comes to causal relationships. Was it his attorney, a social worker or a somewhat brighter inmate that brought him to enlightenment?

  74. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @angmoh

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”.

    I wonder if there is any lesson we can learn from this hypothesis that might apply to white children in schools full of d-i-e-versity?

    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam...

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam…

    What is the relevance of scale to this?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    What is the relevance of scale to this?

    Recall that this is the sentence I replied to.


    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”.
     
    Scale obviously matters.
    Scale is the difference between one man who disturbs his village, and the Zebra serial killers.
  75. If the psychiatrists had their way, everyone would be on some kind of spectrum and the prescriptions… (rubs hands) just think of all the prescriptions!

  76. If a group of people who tend to be inferior in many, but not all, ways goes and lives amongst a group of people who tend to be superior to them, then yes, the constant strain the reality of racial differences could indeed cause mental illness. This doesn’t strike me as far fetched at all. As Steve points out, this is an argument for racial and national segregation. It would be interesting to test this theory by analyzing the mental health of blacks who live in 100% black countries. This implies that there are universal standards for mental health that are not culturally dependent, which I doubt to be true.

    It would be interesting to study the mental health impact of whites who live in close proximity to blacks. Of course there may be selection bias, only a crazy-ass whitey would choose to live near and amongst blacks.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Torn and Frayed


    It would be interesting to test this theory by analyzing the mental health of blacks who live in 100% black countries. This implies that there are universal standards for mental health that are not culturally dependent, which I doubt to be true.
     
    I hate to point out the obvious (he lied) but if it is culturally normative to cannibalize Albinos for the health benefit we are way beyond mere implication.
  77. Semipro Tip! Writings which capitalize ‘black’ but not ‘white’ are anti-white propaganda.

  78. @Gaius Gracchus
    Does moving to a new country, with different cultures and traditions and ethnicities, lead to increased mental strain, especially for those with lower IQs? Likely.

    Are some groups incapable of complying with the demands of a modern society? Likely.

    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.

    For the sake of blacks, the Western world must ban immediately the migration of blacks into Western nations and assist all blacks to leave Western nations. America must sacrifice its black athletes and its rappers, for the good of blacks and their mental health. It will be a tremendous sacrifice, but we must be willing to do it.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AnotherDad, @gent

    That Gracchus’ name? Abraham Lincoln.

  79. Top. Madrassas.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Desiderius


    The deepest cultural divide of all, and one of the oldest, may be the urban/rural split. So many other conflicts are masks for it.
     
    With self-reliance and a fierce desire to mind one’s own business at the core of the divide.
    , @njguy73
    @Desiderius

    I wonder if that guy realizes that it's the urban dwellers, not the rural dwellers, while been contributing the most to climate change, and that when TSHTF, it'll be the rural dwellers who endure.

  80. [MORE]

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    Oh no, Russian hackers are interrupting the food supply, as predicted by confabbing oligarches. Guess we'll just have to receive the Schwab chip, because there is literally nothing else that anybody can do about this.

    , @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    When you are immersed in the throes of the marketplace, impersonal market forces may appear to you as manipulation - human tend to attach intentionality even to mindless things like storms. Markets are such that it is possible for commodity markets to fall at the very same time as retail prices are rising. It seems unfair but markets care nothing for fairness.

    I feel sorry for the farmers but that's how farming goes. Your costs of production are relatively fixed but commodity prices can vary widely. When they are up, the profits roll in and you never hear farmers complaining that they are making too much money and when they are down they cry (which is not to say that their pain is not real). I say this as someone who grew up on a farm.

    In the long run, forcing the least productive farmers out of business reduces supply. This brings prices up again and this attracts more supply and prices fall again. This is a never ending cycle. It's good for the economy that the least efficient farmers quit farming and get jobs in town. At one time half the labor force was on farms and if we didn't have this process they'd still be there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

  81. By white men ERIN means low-T. Mother Nature is telling her to fix this. Mother Nature can get pretty nasty when she loses her patience.

  82. But the implication of this article is that blacks should stick to all black ghettos.

    And we should all get behind this, data be damned

    You can count on the fingers of one foot the number of sane whites who think otherwise.

  83. @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    Apart from the chemical aspect of schizophrenia (in other words, assuming chemicals are effect and not cause), schizophrenia must be a totally inevitable result of committing to a new reality, new set of rules, and new climate, having lived a siginificant part of dey’s life in different ones. It’s not pure insanity to question reality when you grow up in India and then work in Scotland.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @J.Ross

    Chemistry is a cause. I think violence plays a part. Know of at least two instances where white males in their twenties were subjected to intense violence (as in muggings) and the symptoms of schizophrenia started to manifest afterwards.

    Exposure to violence during brain development (infancy to young twenties) damages the brain, or rather causes it to respond and develop in ways it would not have had the violence beeen active.

    I'm talking about the pruning of connections. Interesting topic, BTW.

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob

  84. There’s probably something to the idea that being a visible minority (especially a low-status one) in your neighborhood increases psychic stress, but of course that doesn’t actually require any discrimination or even material inequality to be true. As with many claims about racism, there’s no indentified mechanism of action here, just a lot of handwaving.

  85. Rob says:
    @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    ‘Bout time Uriah got a shoutout here. I was going to link to a graph he had of PGS by race for schizophrenia or psychosis. Quick search did not turn it up.. On the PGS, there was nearly no overlap in Euro/African genetic risk of schizophrenia.

    He has had several schiz tweetstorms. All his tweets are worth reading. Does anyone know if there is a Threadreaderapp function or similar website wherein one can enter a Twitterer’s @ and get all his, hers, or they’s tweet threads in easy to handle, search, stop, and come back to form? I had hoped Twitter had that functionality for users. Pretty much why I signed up. That and to tweak Lewontining “evolutionary” “biologists” and “anthropologists” who do not know that evolution creates different adaptations in different populations, or that males and females sometimes follow different reproductive strategies. @hollydunsworth so far, but I intend to branch out. I am considering doing my tweaking in the persona of a naive evangelical ecstatic to discover scientific support for the “fact” that human beings have not had evolutionary adaptations in the face of clear, near-constant evolutionary pressures, just as they (and the Bible) predict.

    A planned one in response to a Lewontinian/Ghoulish (Gouldish) claim that men and women do not have inbuilt differences in sexual behavior:

    ‘Thank you, Holly! I knew men and women thought about sex in the same way. God would not have made Man and Woman to have differences in so crass a matter. Dogmatic ‘evolutionary biologists’ insist that differential selective pressure would have created different ‘adaptations’ in response. But you and the Bible both stand athwart reason, and yell Stop!

    For ‘race’
    The uniformity of man (and woman) in the face of different selection pressures on different continents is either miraculous or proof of recent creation. Do you think God will continue to intervene in micro evolution (the only real kind) to preserve human homogeneity? Except in skin color and all other visible traits, no one can deny those! But the important ones that involve like, brains and other unimportant things, those are all the same!’

    Or ‘thanks Holly! I never believed black people were real, either!”

  86. “Sanity” is a White Male social construct.

    No more talk of “sanity” please.

  87. If you go fron a psychological assessment to a summary of cultural norms you will probably solve the problem. This gets us to the question: is the local belief (in grudges, curses, influential spirits, and witch doctory) something white men made up and deliberately imposed upon Africans and Caribbeans? If you believe per culture that people and ghosts are out to get you, how do you avoid psychological problems? The culture is essentially sickening. Insofar as there is a cure, there’s Christianity, which they got from Europe (except Ethiopia).

  88. @Desiderius


    https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/1414077327638622210?s=20

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    Oh no, Russian hackers are interrupting the food supply, as predicted by confabbing oligarches. Guess we’ll just have to receive the Schwab chip, because there is literally nothing else that anybody can do about this.

  89. Rob says:
    @Bill P
    Schizophrenia can be differentiated from manic psychosis by brain scans. Schizophrenics tend to have deficiencies in Broca's area, while those with bipolar do not.

    I think schizophrenia may be a vestigial developmental problem along the lines of lactose intolerance. That is, the parts of the brain that integrate language and thoughts with other processes are neotenous, and for a small, unfortunate part of the population the maturation of the brain disables them, hence the early adult onset.

    Replies: @Rob

    I think schizophrenia may be a vestigial developmental problem along the lines of lactose intolerance.

    Paging Dr. Jaynes.
    Dr Julian Jaynes.

    Seriously, seeing the super high schiz rates of blacks (and Mexicans? And Asians? Are they both white for psychiatric purposes?) in civilization, one is tempted somewhat to think that there is something to The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind.

    I am curious what happens to never-agricultural peoples like Bushmen when away from their fellows. Especially Bushmen, who are much lighter, but more alien-looking, than negroes. Are they so alcoholic that it is impossible to tell?

    Someone here once posted that a psychiatrist told him that all black people are schizophrenic (by white standards) I wonder how true that is? Anyone want to take the white and black schiz rates and work up a La Griffe du Lion-style method of thresholds to find the black/white and male/female σ difference in schizotypy? Eyeballing, 1/8% must be like 2+ σ.

    How do ZA blacks do on schiz?

    • Thanks: El Dato, Hangnail Hans
  90. There’s been an interesting case of this in ultra-liberal Cambridge Mass., where a black man has been arrested for torturing and murdering his neighbors’ cats. Google “Rashad Gober” for details. His online presence includes comments about how much he hates white policemen and Boston white people, the posting of a mock-obituary of himself in which he is killed by a racist cop, and other bizarreness including of course his support of BLM. And he works for a Christian college (no surprise there either) as a “senior administrative assistant at education resource strategies” which sounds like a nice easy made-up affirmative action posting. Naturally comments sympathizing with this sociopath abound on local bulletin boards, coz white racism drove him mad. He isn’t just a crazy asshole who happens to be black, uh huh, that’s too simple an answer.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Observator

    It's just the neighbour's cats. That's ok.

    After that it will be the neighbour's white kids.

    Still ok.

  91. Obituary pages in major American newspapers are waiting to be called out. There is obviously something afoot.

  92. @Tono Bungay
    A psychiatrist utterly repudiated by his confreres thought of schizophrenia this way: "What we call schizophrenia is often the result of a certain kind of the childhood development with respect to rulefollowing. Normally, the child learns his basic repertory of rules through loving submission to adult authority: language, patterns of dress, and a great deal of everyday conduct are learned in this way. If the adult is uncaring, or is not respected by the child, we witness the development of the coercive megalomania so typical of the behavior of the person later diagnosed as schizophrenic. This usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect, the young person becomes his own lawgiver. He acts and feels as if there were nothing he could not do (especially if he tried hard enough); and nothing he should not be allowed to do. And he comes to believe that if he cannot do something, it must not be worth doing. Such a person then tries to live not by the rule that anything worth doing is worth doing well, but by the maxim that only those things are worth doing that he already knows how to do well; and since he does not know how to do anything well, he alternately pretends and claims mastery of arts, crafts, and knowledge he does not possess; and scornfully rejects the value of all practical endeavors. In short, (some) schizophrenia is a type of arrogance and immodesty."

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Jack D, @vhrm

    Tono, you obviously have never interacted with someone with schizophrenia. Your description of the aetiology and symptoms of the disease are improvised. I had a friend with the disease (white not black) which presented in his late teens. It is to some extent genetic; he had 2 brothers with the same disease and his father was seriously crazy.

    As the term indicates, the sufferer’s mind is cut in two and he – it is mostly an affliction of males – is cut off from reality as the rest of us experience and interpret the real world. His thinking in many realms is delusional. For example my friend saw signage on trucks in the street addressed to him personally instructing him to do one or another crazy thing. I believe it is something other than what is termed general dementia because it is selective.

  93. @eded
    Dr. Kwame McKenzie mentioned in the article oversaw the investigation of Dr. Kenneth Zucker at CAMH's gender dysphoria clinic. There were trumped up allegations of malpractice by trans activists against Dr. Zucker. A total smear campaign that later proved completely false. Dr. McKenzie had Zucker fired and had his gender dysphoria clinic closed.

    Dr. Zucker later sued and settled for $586,000 in damages and received an apology from CAMH, but didn't get his job back and his clinic is still closed. Dr. McKenzie evidently still works with CAMH and gets uncritical coverage in The Globe and Mail.

    Jesse Singal wrote an expose about the incident in New York Magazine.

    Eded

    Replies: @gandydancer

    Dr. Zucker later sued and settled for $586,000 in damages and received an apology from CAMH, but didn’t get his job back and his clinic is still closed… Jesse Singal wrote an expose about the incident in New York Magazine.

    That would be: https://www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

    I found particularly notable the Zucker success story that was the kid who didn’t get his penis cut off, but is now a well adjusted homo.

    LOL!

  94. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    ,

    Note my pointed reference to the DSM.

    I did not say that schizophrenia doesn’t exist. Around the world it’s been noted that schizophrenia, a serious thought disorder, is fairly uniform. But as it’s applied in the US, it’s a garbage DX and I suspect that in this isolated case the race arsonists have a minor point.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122490928

  95. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    Many of the conditions listed in the DSM are more in the nature of social conditions than true clinical diseases, but schizophrenia is a true disease. If you’ve ever met a real schizophrenic, their brains are highly disordered – they hear voices in their head, etc. Even to a layman, it’s quite obvious that they are sick. It’s not at all subtle.

    • Agree: Alden, sayless
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    I have a comment, still awaiting moderation, which clarifies my earlier not well expressed comment.

    Of course, schizophrenia is a real disorder. But the diagnosis is not always consonant with the reality.

    The majority of racial grousing is bullshit, but not all of it is. A diagnosis of schizophrenia is a terrible shame, but a diagnosis of bipolar disorder is not. I have been told by several medical professionals that there really is no difference between the two. They are both serious thought disorders. If you're black, you're schizophrenic. If you're white, you're bipolar.

    This reminds me of the old joke. What's the difference between a crazy old broad and an eccentric old lady? A million dollars.

  96. This BIPOC will provide an interesting case study for the experts …

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/nyc-parks-worker-exposes-himself-at-playground-while-high-on-pcp-nypd/

    (Check out the priors on this guy — and he has a city job? BTW I don’t have to read the Sunday NY Post, my wife makes sure I hear all the highlights. I then humbly pass them along to you, dear reader)

  97. one-fifth reported being unfairly stopped by police in the past month.

    Wait, what? The implication is at least 1/5 have stopped in the past month (and then some percentage of those stops were unfair). What population has at least a 1/5 chance of being stopped by police in a given month? Either the sample is far from random, or they’re lying.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  98. Racism harms overtly, Dr. Lashley says, but it also sabotages a person’s social and physical environment. It understandably causes them to question what’s true, to wonder about the motives of their neighbours.

    No, this is what being racist does.

  99. @Desiderius


    https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/1414077327638622210?s=20

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Jack D

    When you are immersed in the throes of the marketplace, impersonal market forces may appear to you as manipulation – human tend to attach intentionality even to mindless things like storms. Markets are such that it is possible for commodity markets to fall at the very same time as retail prices are rising. It seems unfair but markets care nothing for fairness.

    I feel sorry for the farmers but that’s how farming goes. Your costs of production are relatively fixed but commodity prices can vary widely. When they are up, the profits roll in and you never hear farmers complaining that they are making too much money and when they are down they cry (which is not to say that their pain is not real). I say this as someone who grew up on a farm.

    In the long run, forcing the least productive farmers out of business reduces supply. This brings prices up again and this attracts more supply and prices fall again. This is a never ending cycle. It’s good for the economy that the least efficient farmers quit farming and get jobs in town. At one time half the labor force was on farms and if we didn’t have this process they’d still be there.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Yes, we know.

    He's saying that the markets aren't matching the facts on the ground.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Link to congressional testimony:

    https://twitter.com/Matt13395534/status/1414100095595778053?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D

  100. @Trelane
    The psychotic African male is the product of white supremacy. It couldn't really be any other way. Let's move along to the next subject.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey, @SunBakedSuburb

    If it wasn’t for Western Civilization, African males would be too busy trying avoid being eaten by a lion, dying of tropical diseases or being enslaved by Arabs to have time to sit around and develop paranoid delusions.

  101. racism: the study of the social effects on populations of ancient anthropological proto-humans air dropped in vast numbers into Space Age civilizations.

  102. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    When you are immersed in the throes of the marketplace, impersonal market forces may appear to you as manipulation - human tend to attach intentionality even to mindless things like storms. Markets are such that it is possible for commodity markets to fall at the very same time as retail prices are rising. It seems unfair but markets care nothing for fairness.

    I feel sorry for the farmers but that's how farming goes. Your costs of production are relatively fixed but commodity prices can vary widely. When they are up, the profits roll in and you never hear farmers complaining that they are making too much money and when they are down they cry (which is not to say that their pain is not real). I say this as someone who grew up on a farm.

    In the long run, forcing the least productive farmers out of business reduces supply. This brings prices up again and this attracts more supply and prices fall again. This is a never ending cycle. It's good for the economy that the least efficient farmers quit farming and get jobs in town. At one time half the labor force was on farms and if we didn't have this process they'd still be there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Yes, we know.

    He’s saying that the markets aren’t matching the facts on the ground.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Yes, I know. There are always people who think they know what the market price "should be" and become upset when the actual market doesn't match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.

    The market doesn't care about "should be" any more than the thermometer cares what the temperature today "should be". If the weather doesn't match your expectations, your expectations are wrong, not the weather. The weather doesn't live in a world of right and wrong, it just is. So too markets. Of course, nowadays we are neo-primitives and we go looking for human causes for the weather also.

    Replies: @Mr Mox

  103. @Tono Bungay
    A psychiatrist utterly repudiated by his confreres thought of schizophrenia this way: "What we call schizophrenia is often the result of a certain kind of the childhood development with respect to rulefollowing. Normally, the child learns his basic repertory of rules through loving submission to adult authority: language, patterns of dress, and a great deal of everyday conduct are learned in this way. If the adult is uncaring, or is not respected by the child, we witness the development of the coercive megalomania so typical of the behavior of the person later diagnosed as schizophrenic. This usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect, the young person becomes his own lawgiver. He acts and feels as if there were nothing he could not do (especially if he tried hard enough); and nothing he should not be allowed to do. And he comes to believe that if he cannot do something, it must not be worth doing. Such a person then tries to live not by the rule that anything worth doing is worth doing well, but by the maxim that only those things are worth doing that he already knows how to do well; and since he does not know how to do anything well, he alternately pretends and claims mastery of arts, crafts, and knowledge he does not possess; and scornfully rejects the value of all practical endeavors. In short, (some) schizophrenia is a type of arrogance and immodesty."

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Jack D, @vhrm

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    “this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect…”

    I don’t know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen’s parents for a clinical disease because you don’t know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child’s disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn’t surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Jack D

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments in your post, but pure schizophrenia is an exceptionally interesting phenomenon, as understanding it, on a deeper level than "brain chemistry", can give you insights into almost everything.

    Even that idiot's blaming of "a lack of parental discipline" has an unintended merit, once you deeply understand what schizophrenia is.

    Imagine that the doors of your perception were opened to their maximum and everything which you could possibly sense, you actually did sense. This would be completely overwhelming, though, it would also, in some ways, be you being more alive.

    Now imagine trying to hold yourself together in that instance, to not be overwhelmed and lost in the madness of it.

    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.

    "Parental discipline" is an interesting metaphor for this. The commenter who wrote it, may be a cretin, but even his cretinous mind could reach some truth, if only through metaphor.

    This is because his doors of perception are far too closed, probably because he is to psychologically incapable to have them open more than ajar.

    It is this defence against madness which needs.

    This leads him to come up with glib labels that allow him the simulation of understanding, without the true understanding that comes from experiencing. He is seeing the truth, but through many protective layers, which means its image is all distorted.

    A pure schizophrenic can look at the truth directly, but the "they" that is looking, becomes overwhelmed and so their perception is also distorted.

    Schizophrenia is more likely to come on during puberty, because humans develop more senses and more perceptions as puberty hits. This is overwhelming for most people, but it is sometimes irrecoverably overwhelming for the types of creative and wonderful children whose doors of perception were already wide open.

    There is nothing parents or family members can do to stop this, which has any evidence behind it, except to care for their relation and remember with hope, that the schizophrenic is on their own journey and that they are going in the direction which God intends. May all of them be blessed with the courage that this requires.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Schizophrenia is a brain disease but not everyone with a genetic tendency develops it. When and why it manifests, as well as its severity, depends somewhat on environmental factors, which would presumably include parenting styles. However, unlike the original poster, I doubt a specific parenting style can be implicated.

    Also, autism is much fuzzier in its definition and presentation, so I wouldn’t compare schizophrenia to autism. In its less severe forms, autism does seem quite behavioral/environmental. I doubt a lot of kids who get diagnosed these days are truly on the spectrum anyway. I’ve witnessed allegedly autistic cousins act completely normal in certain circumstances.

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    Great post as usual. Schizophrenia is as genetic as baldness and hair colors and texture. . Thanks.

    , @Inquiring Mind
    @Jack D

    I think the disagreement here is over the difference between the outer and the inner life of a person with what I have heard labeled as "major mental illness."

    Based on people I have known on both sides of the divide, family members, friends and community members experience someone with major mental illness as being "difficult." In other words, they can be a$$holes. They alienate those who would provide social and other forms of support and end up on the street. Or worse.

    I have heard people receiving long-term drug therapy for major mental illness describe what life is like without medication. Auditory hallucinations is part of it, yes, but the voices are not pleasant -- they are angry, scary, frightening and frightful.

    Having experienced "spatial hallucinations" (distant objects "feel" like they are looming) when having a high fever from mumps, it is not so much the hallucination itself but the intangible sense of dread when experiencing them, which itself may be part of the mental illness (or the fever delirium) as the hallucination as being simply an odd experience. In the language of the drug culture, it is a "bad trip."

    The outward symptoms of major mental illness are that the person is profoundly anti-social. But the inward symptoms are that you don't have control of your thoughts and in a frightening way. Actually, this condition is "all in your head" but you don't have control over it.

  104. @martin_2
    @AnotherDad

    Surely then the importation of black slaves was the biggest mistake in the United States' history and on that basis the statues to the slave owners should come down.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    As it is the biggest mistake surely we should fix the biggest mistake, not worry about statues. Stasis feel emotions over statues.

  105. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/hyonschu/status/1414124051799318531?s=20

    Top. Madrassas.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @njguy73

    The deepest cultural divide of all, and one of the oldest, may be the urban/rural split. So many other conflicts are masks for it.

    With self-reliance and a fierce desire to mind one’s own business at the core of the divide.

    • Agree: epochehusserl
  106. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    The borders of all forms of madness are maddening, but attaching labels to complex phenomena is useful for aiding thought and communication; even if it is important not to reify the label.

    By picking schizophrenia, you have picked one of the easier forms of madness to place within definable limits. It isn’t that they have one delusion, it is that they have extremely chaotic thinking. This is because, though everyone, thankfully, has some chaos in their thought, we choose to set the defining line at an extreme point. This makes diagnosed schizophrenics almost instantly identifiable.

    Fascinatingly and pertinently for this blog post, labels might be seen as anti-schizophrenic, since they are an attempt to order thought.

    We might therefore pose a labelling-experiencing dichotomy. Pure and extreme schizophrenics experience everything, directly without labels. People, who tend to label and define everything, end up locked behind those labels, slow, muffled and directly experiencing nothing.

    Once you understand all of this, it makes perfect sense that black people would be diagnosed with schizophrenia more often: every newspaper in the US seems to think that Whiteness is about labelling and defining, while Blackness is about experiencing. This isn’t a fiction.

    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?

    I can’t tell you why some people are more prone to dive into the abyss, nor why some are less or more prone to dissolve, but I can say that genius is those gifted individuals who can take fun swims in that reservoir, while easily remaining whole.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Triteleia Laxa


    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?
     
    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anonymouse

  107. Adventuress sighting:

    Victoria Woodhull, by contrast, was an adventuress out of the Midwest whose activism was the product not of deep moral conviction but of having married a drunk as a young woman, which left her with a psychological grudge against marriage as an institution and a practical need to earn a living.

    [MORE]

  108. They couldn’t fire him, but they had to keep him away from patients.

    becoming the director of health equity at Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH)

  109. You know, one thing I hate is the pseudo-sophisticated, oh-so-concerned, social-science jargon, journalistic babble of people like Erin Anderson.

    There oughta be a law.

    Call me a “hater.”

  110. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    When you are immersed in the throes of the marketplace, impersonal market forces may appear to you as manipulation - human tend to attach intentionality even to mindless things like storms. Markets are such that it is possible for commodity markets to fall at the very same time as retail prices are rising. It seems unfair but markets care nothing for fairness.

    I feel sorry for the farmers but that's how farming goes. Your costs of production are relatively fixed but commodity prices can vary widely. When they are up, the profits roll in and you never hear farmers complaining that they are making too much money and when they are down they cry (which is not to say that their pain is not real). I say this as someone who grew up on a farm.

    In the long run, forcing the least productive farmers out of business reduces supply. This brings prices up again and this attracts more supply and prices fall again. This is a never ending cycle. It's good for the economy that the least efficient farmers quit farming and get jobs in town. At one time half the labor force was on farms and if we didn't have this process they'd still be there.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Link to congressional testimony:

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    As I read it, the testimony points to the operation of ordinary market forces and not toward manipulation:


    Major US beef supply chain disruptions over the past two years have sent the cattle and beef
    industry into uncharted, but explainable territory. The imbalance of excess market-ready cattle
    supplies in the face of reduced operational packing capacity has put downward pressure on cattle
    prices. Meanwhile, consumer demand for beef and all animal proteins has reached record levels,
    fueled by pandemic stockpiling, increased and reallocated consumer income, and more recently,
    restaurant re-openings, not to mention export demand. These dynamics, combined with elevated
    processing costs, have increased the spread between beef price and cattle price, just as economic
    principles, past research, and historical market relationships would suggest. Both the direction and
    magnitude of the price spread are well within the range of expectation.
     
    In other words, in the market for cattle on the hoof, you have a lot of supply (cattle who are at the age where they are ready to harvest) at a time when the meatpackers are buying less because Covid has reduced their ability to process cattle into beef. More supply than demand - cattle prices go down.

    In the market for packaged beef, you have the opposite situation. The processors, again, have reduced production capacity, but consumers are demanding MORE beef than usual. So more demand than supply - beef prices go up.

    This is not at all mysterious.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Forbes

  111. There are still whites who think it’s okay to confront blacks. How long will that last?
    https://cbs58.com/news/Elderly-woman-attacked-by-Walmart-employee-speaks-out

  112. @Jack D
    @Tono Bungay

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    "this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect..."

    I don't know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen's parents for a clinical disease because you don't know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child's disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn't surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Inquiring Mind

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments in your post, but pure schizophrenia is an exceptionally interesting phenomenon, as understanding it, on a deeper level than “brain chemistry”, can give you insights into almost everything.

    Even that idiot’s blaming of “a lack of parental discipline” has an unintended merit, once you deeply understand what schizophrenia is.

    Imagine that the doors of your perception were opened to their maximum and everything which you could possibly sense, you actually did sense. This would be completely overwhelming, though, it would also, in some ways, be you being more alive.

    Now imagine trying to hold yourself together in that instance, to not be overwhelmed and lost in the madness of it.

    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.

    “Parental discipline” is an interesting metaphor for this. The commenter who wrote it, may be a cretin, but even his cretinous mind could reach some truth, if only through metaphor.

    This is because his doors of perception are far too closed, probably because he is to psychologically incapable to have them open more than ajar.

    It is this defence against madness which needs.

    This leads him to come up with glib labels that allow him the simulation of understanding, without the true understanding that comes from experiencing. He is seeing the truth, but through many protective layers, which means its image is all distorted.

    A pure schizophrenic can look at the truth directly, but the “they” that is looking, becomes overwhelmed and so their perception is also distorted.

    Schizophrenia is more likely to come on during puberty, because humans develop more senses and more perceptions as puberty hits. This is overwhelming for most people, but it is sometimes irrecoverably overwhelming for the types of creative and wonderful children whose doors of perception were already wide open.

    There is nothing parents or family members can do to stop this, which has any evidence behind it, except to care for their relation and remember with hope, that the schizophrenic is on their own journey and that they are going in the direction which God intends. May all of them be blessed with the courage that this requires.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.
     
    Do you have a citation for this?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ben tillman

  113. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/EndDemocracy/status/1413950366543138818?s=20

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @SunBakedSuburb

    She’s upset because there aren’t any statues that represent people like her. Well, at least since Neolithic times.

    https://mymodernmet.com/the-venus-of-willendorf/

  114. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Yes, we know.

    He's saying that the markets aren't matching the facts on the ground.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yes, I know. There are always people who think they know what the market price “should be” and become upset when the actual market doesn’t match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.

    The market doesn’t care about “should be” any more than the thermometer cares what the temperature today “should be”. If the weather doesn’t match your expectations, your expectations are wrong, not the weather. The weather doesn’t live in a world of right and wrong, it just is. So too markets. Of course, nowadays we are neo-primitives and we go looking for human causes for the weather also.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    @Jack D


    There are always people who think they know what the market price “should be” and become upset when the actual market doesn’t match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.
     
    You just described the EU's agricultural policy. Here, dark forces really are at work; Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU's GDP in 2020. Even if all derivatives from farming are included, we're still talking single-digit GDP numbers.

    Replies: @Peterike

  115. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Link to congressional testimony:

    https://twitter.com/Matt13395534/status/1414100095595778053?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D

    As I read it, the testimony points to the operation of ordinary market forces and not toward manipulation:

    Major US beef supply chain disruptions over the past two years have sent the cattle and beef
    industry into uncharted, but explainable territory. The imbalance of excess market-ready cattle
    supplies in the face of reduced operational packing capacity has put downward pressure on cattle
    prices. Meanwhile, consumer demand for beef and all animal proteins has reached record levels,
    fueled by pandemic stockpiling, increased and reallocated consumer income, and more recently,
    restaurant re-openings, not to mention export demand. These dynamics, combined with elevated
    processing costs, have increased the spread between beef price and cattle price, just as economic
    principles, past research, and historical market relationships would suggest. Both the direction and
    magnitude of the price spread are well within the range of expectation.

    In other words, in the market for cattle on the hoof, you have a lot of supply (cattle who are at the age where they are ready to harvest) at a time when the meatpackers are buying less because Covid has reduced their ability to process cattle into beef. More supply than demand – cattle prices go down.

    In the market for packaged beef, you have the opposite situation. The processors, again, have reduced production capacity, but consumers are demanding MORE beef than usual. So more demand than supply – beef prices go up.

    This is not at all mysterious.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Packing capacity is not necessarily static, indeed the entire premise of your efficient markets assumption requires it to be dynamic.

    The precise nature of those particular dynamics (or lack thereof!) is the mystery to which he alludes. There are both market and non-market forces at work there along with said unknown unknowns.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Forbes
    @Jack D

    Jack--You can't reason someone out of a position he didn't reason his way into. Even a flashlight won't help some find their way out of the dark in which they'd prefer to remain. Cheers.

  116. @Muggles
    Racism, is there any problem on earth that it doesn't cause?

    At least future sociologists will learn that this is what "we" believed in 2021.

    "So now you see, class, that people in that era were generally crazy, but blamed that on imaginary things. Like ghosts and 'racism', whatever that was supposed to be."

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @John Johnson

    At least future sociologists will learn that this is what “we” believed in 2021.

    “So now you see, class, that people in that era were generally crazy, but blamed that on imaginary things. Like ghosts and ‘racism’, whatever that was supposed to be.”

    No in the future social scientists will call themselves something else because the reputation of sociology will be irreparably damaged once the fraud is revealed.

    Sociology is really just leftists opining about what they would like to be true. Shame because it wasn’t always that way.

    Sociology is as dedicated to honest scientific inquiry as Scientology.

    Japan already de-funded it.

  117. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    As I read it, the testimony points to the operation of ordinary market forces and not toward manipulation:


    Major US beef supply chain disruptions over the past two years have sent the cattle and beef
    industry into uncharted, but explainable territory. The imbalance of excess market-ready cattle
    supplies in the face of reduced operational packing capacity has put downward pressure on cattle
    prices. Meanwhile, consumer demand for beef and all animal proteins has reached record levels,
    fueled by pandemic stockpiling, increased and reallocated consumer income, and more recently,
    restaurant re-openings, not to mention export demand. These dynamics, combined with elevated
    processing costs, have increased the spread between beef price and cattle price, just as economic
    principles, past research, and historical market relationships would suggest. Both the direction and
    magnitude of the price spread are well within the range of expectation.
     
    In other words, in the market for cattle on the hoof, you have a lot of supply (cattle who are at the age where they are ready to harvest) at a time when the meatpackers are buying less because Covid has reduced their ability to process cattle into beef. More supply than demand - cattle prices go down.

    In the market for packaged beef, you have the opposite situation. The processors, again, have reduced production capacity, but consumers are demanding MORE beef than usual. So more demand than supply - beef prices go up.

    This is not at all mysterious.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Forbes

    Packing capacity is not necessarily static, indeed the entire premise of your efficient markets assumption requires it to be dynamic.

    The precise nature of those particular dynamics (or lack thereof!) is the mystery to which he alludes. There are both market and non-market forces at work there along with said unknown unknowns.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY's demand so it doesn't help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

  118. @Patrick McNally
    One simple explanation for a rise in schizophrenia would simply be the end of arranged marriages. In the old days when marriage was arranged by extended families people were given a sort of assurance that this was fitting into a bigger picture which was supposed to work. Granting that it didn't really always work as well as some would like to imagine, there was some kind of structure. The liberalization which spread after the 19th century meant that people had more individual options and hence could choose a better mate, which undoubtedly sometimes happened. But it also forced people to be more aware of how what they were getting from a mate was really divorced from much else in their life. With an arranged marriage all of this was just one package. But with liberalized marriage there is greater awareness of how different disparate desires may be divorced from each other and reflect a schizophrenic quality.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alden

    I don’t know if you are just discussing Africans living in the West or if you are referring to the general rise in schizophrenia among all populations in modern West. If you’re referring to the latter situation, marriages were never arranged among ordinary people in America (or Western/Central Europe for that matter).

    The pool of eligible brides/grooms might have been smaller due to less population movement, but arranged marriages were never a thing for 90 % of the population (exceptions might include people who were unlucky in finding someone by a certain age, or upper class types wanting to secure resources).

  119. @Anon
    How is it that there is now a genome-wide-association-score for schizophrenia that allows prediction of the condition from a prenatal test in the womb, but miraculously white people yet to be encountered by the pre-born black bambino are responsible for his years-in-the-future condition?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think the explanation is this: humans are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia to varying degrees. Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier). Others are only somewhat predisposed and perhaps only to milder forms of the disease, such that if they have good parenting and a quiet, drug free, stress free life in a homogeneous community the disease will never manifest itself to the point where they have a psychotic break. Perhaps they even have mild symptoms, but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms – they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind. Or they are seen as a harmless eccentrics or fools with some odd beliefs or they are kept sheltered by their parents and family at home such that they are never diagnosed as schizophrenic.

    However, if this same individual is plucked from his village and culture and taken to live in a chaotic urban environment, he cracks under the stress. And at some point his mother (there is usually no father in the picture) is unwilling or unable to control his behaviors and he ends up homeless or in an institution.

    The manner in which schizophrenia is explained is always influenced by culture. In the past, it was believed that the patient was possessed by evil spirits or Satan. At one point when Freud was in vogue, it was due to bad parenting (see my comment above). In today’s society, whitey is to blame. People always need to find a human cause for everything, even impersonal forces like markets or the weather.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier).
     
    What are the early telltale signs?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms – they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind
     
    Thanks Jack. This explains it:

    I prayed plenty as AnotherBoy and the Virgin Mary never appeared to me. I wrote this off as "had bigger fish to fry"--i.e. people with real problems. But maybe my problem was just ... growing up in the suburbs and not being nuts!

    OTOH ... i have been very, very fortunate in life.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Virtually every human trait, including schizophrenia, is polygenic, meaning that it is caused by thousands of genes each responsible for less, usually much less, than 1 percent of the condition. What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve. The DSM in the past defined things like schizophrenia in a way that effectively decides where on the bell curve is the cut-off point, above which people have diagnosable schizophrenia. But there is a guy just left of that point, and billions of people some distance left of that point. Now the DSM uses "schizophrenia spectrum disorder."

    Basically, every condition is a spectrum condition. Robert Plomin calls this "Abnormal is Normal," in the sense that all of us are schizophrenic to at least a tiny, tiny extent. Plomin comments that we don't at this point know what anti-schizophrenia is, exactly. Plomin says we do not yet know whether the opposite of a disease is good or bad, and whether falling in the middle might not be the best.

    Although everything is on a spectrum (height is obvious), there may be "cliffs" on the spectrum (that point when you have a heart attack or stroke).

    Here's Plomin in his recent book, chapter 5, "Abnormal is Normal":


    Genetic research shows that the medical model is all wrong when it comes to psychological problems. What we call disorders are merely the extremes of the same genes that work throughout the normal distribution. That is, there are no genes ‘for’ any psychological disorder. Instead, we all have many of the DNA differences that are related to disorders. The salient question is how many of these we have. The genetic spectrum runs from a few to a lot, and the more we have, the more likely we are to have problems.

    In other words, the genetic causes of what we call disorders are quantitatively, not qualitatively, different from the rest of the population. It’s a matter of more or less (quantitative), not either/or (qualitative). This might seem like an arcane academic issue but this finding is completely changing clinical psychology and psychiatry, especially as the DNA revolution comes along. It means there are no disorders – they are just the extremes of quantitative dimensions. That is what is meant by the slogan ‘Abnormal is normal’.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Another important implication of the abnormal-is-normal finding is that we cannot cure a disorder because there is no disorder. Success in treatment should be viewed quantitatively, as the degree to which a problem is alleviated.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

  120. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    “Schizophrenia … is a garbage diagnosis.”

    Having spent the past few days hearing what I believed to be voices in my head, I began looking at the symptoms of schizophrenia. This investigation led me to conclude that what I was experiencing was auditory hallucinations which every human experiences to some degree or another. Confident in my diagnosis I settled in to watch The Friends of Eddie Coyle for the 16th time. Right before small time gun runner Bob Mitchum gets whacked I began hearing the voices again; only this time their indecipherable words were replaced by giggles. I knew then it wasn’t schizophrenia or the common auditory hallucination. The dolls were giggling; they were laughing at me. It was the dolls all along.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I guess I deserved this.

    I wasn't clear. Schizophrenia is real.

    But it's DX'd incorrectly, and I'm suspicious of a mental disorder that used to afflict blacks and whites equally, but which now afflicts mostly blacks, while whites are "bipolar."

    See my other comments, after approval.

    Thanks for reading and it's been a lesson in what not to say!

  121. [MORE]

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  122. Per Butterfly War, could Russian hackers confound e-Stasis by demonstrating schizophrenia, since schizophrenia is disproportionately associated with blackness?
    https://cultstate.com/2017/10/13/The-Butterfly-War/

  123. @Trelane
    The psychotic African male is the product of white supremacy. It couldn't really be any other way. Let's move along to the next subject.

    Replies: @Mr. Grey, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Let’s move along to the next subject.”

    Okay: Did your parents find another playground planet for you after the unfortunate Enterprise incident?

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I haven't finished studying my predators yet.

  124. @Jack D
    @Tono Bungay

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    "this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect..."

    I don't know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen's parents for a clinical disease because you don't know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child's disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn't surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Inquiring Mind

    Schizophrenia is a brain disease but not everyone with a genetic tendency develops it. When and why it manifests, as well as its severity, depends somewhat on environmental factors, which would presumably include parenting styles. However, unlike the original poster, I doubt a specific parenting style can be implicated.

    Also, autism is much fuzzier in its definition and presentation, so I wouldn’t compare schizophrenia to autism. In its less severe forms, autism does seem quite behavioral/environmental. I doubt a lot of kids who get diagnosed these days are truly on the spectrum anyway. I’ve witnessed allegedly autistic cousins act completely normal in certain circumstances.

  125. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/EndDemocracy/status/1413950366543138818?s=20

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @SunBakedSuburb

    300 lb. Laquisha is kicking the ass of the flaccid conservative male. But continue with your smugness and inability to create new modes of thought while your face gets covered by grave dirt.

  126. @Hangnail Hans
    @Reg Cæsar

    I love how the Chinese were all about "we going to leverage Africa! Chinee Century!"

    Then later, a certain amount of actual contact has those abacuses in play again.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    I love how the Chinese were all about “we going to leverage Africa! Chinee Century!”

  127. here’s no evidence that migrants, as a group, leave home with a higher risk for psychosis tucked in their biological suitcase.

    Actually, wasn’t everything written to this point in the article potentially evidence of that very thing?

    This was one of the earliest theories for why certain ethnic groups had higher rates of schizophrenia – that migrants were bringing the illness with them from their home countries. Over time, that hypothesis has been refuted by epidemiological studies, which have found no evidence of higher rates in places such as the Caribbean, Surinam and India.

    Undoubtedly, psychological surveys conducted in places like Jamaica, Haiti, Surinam, and India are very thorough and statistically meaningful.

    • LOL: Alden, Triteleia Laxa
  128. @anon
    yet steve thinks mental illness (like IQ scores, personality, etc.) falls from the sky like a meteor. or he thinks it's duh genes yo because muh twin studies yo.

    steve should marx more.

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons. the focus on various identities as the sole personal characteristic subject to illegitimate discrimination is an intentional distraction from inequality and subjective means of admissions, hiring, promotion, etc. which perpetuate it. american life is largely an olympic figure skating competition. dumb gay people like libertarians, charles murray, and steve think figure skating is just like sprinting. sad.

    https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/620/public/mental%20illness.jpg?itok=naWaOKS6

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Henry's Cat, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    It also appears that speaking English in rich countries is positively correlated with mental illness. But what is the correlation between mental illness (or its diagnosis, at least) and income/wealth within these countries? My guess would be that employed adults who are married and have children have the lowest rate of mental illness.

  129. @Anon
    I have often wondered how many young men in their late teens and early twenties cracked up after they tried drugs for the first time. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to get an honest answer out of most people about their usage. Blacks mainly go crazy because they're using drugs.

    I've heard idiots remark that blacks sometimes have a yellow coloring in the whites of their eyes because it's a racial trait. They don't seem to be aware that if you smoke a lot of weed, it will turn the whites of your eyes yellow. Blacks do a lot more drugs than whites are aware of. When you see a black with yellow eyes, you're looking at a drug user.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    They don’t seem to be aware that if you smoke a lot of weed, it will turn the whites of your eyes yellow. Blacks do a lot more drugs than whites are aware of. When you see a black with yellow eyes, you’re looking at a drug user.

    Makes sense. Or hepatitis, liver disease, alcoholism, or sickle cell anemia.

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/causes-of-yellow-eyes
    https://www.webmd.com/hepatitis/jaundice-why-happens-adults
    https://www.healthline.com/health/yellow-eyes#causes

  130. @anon
    yet steve thinks mental illness (like IQ scores, personality, etc.) falls from the sky like a meteor. or he thinks it's duh genes yo because muh twin studies yo.

    steve should marx more.

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons. the focus on various identities as the sole personal characteristic subject to illegitimate discrimination is an intentional distraction from inequality and subjective means of admissions, hiring, promotion, etc. which perpetuate it. american life is largely an olympic figure skating competition. dumb gay people like libertarians, charles murray, and steve think figure skating is just like sprinting. sad.

    https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/620/public/mental%20illness.jpg?itok=naWaOKS6

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Henry's Cat, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    I’d speculate the correlation of diagnoses with healthcare spending (per capita, pct of GDP) is even higher/better fit than this illustration.

    Also, exempting English-speaking countries makes the slope (nearly) horizontal, and hence no relationship.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  131. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anon

    I think the explanation is this: humans are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia to varying degrees. Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier). Others are only somewhat predisposed and perhaps only to milder forms of the disease, such that if they have good parenting and a quiet, drug free, stress free life in a homogeneous community the disease will never manifest itself to the point where they have a psychotic break. Perhaps they even have mild symptoms, but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms - they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind. Or they are seen as a harmless eccentrics or fools with some odd beliefs or they are kept sheltered by their parents and family at home such that they are never diagnosed as schizophrenic.

    However, if this same individual is plucked from his village and culture and taken to live in a chaotic urban environment, he cracks under the stress. And at some point his mother (there is usually no father in the picture) is unwilling or unable to control his behaviors and he ends up homeless or in an institution.

    The manner in which schizophrenia is explained is always influenced by culture. In the past, it was believed that the patient was possessed by evil spirits or Satan. At one point when Freud was in vogue, it was due to bad parenting (see my comment above). In today's society, whitey is to blame. People always need to find a human cause for everything, even impersonal forces like markets or the weather.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier).

    What are the early telltale signs?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Warning signs include deterioration in school performance, social withdrawal, disorganized or unusual behavior, a decreased ability to perform daily activities, a deterioration in self-care skills, bizarre hygiene and eating behaviors, changes in affect, a lack of impulse control, hostility and aggression, and lethargy.

    The problem is that many of these symptoms are also associated with other disorders (or with just plain old teenage behavior) so often these warning signs are understood only in retrospect.

  132. Blah blah blah. All nonsense. Blacks are hyper-emotional (as are Arabs) and on top of that have the emotional maturity of children, even as adults. The problem is they are big cry babies who constantly imagine slights (where do you think “dis” came from?).

    It’s not racism and nothing will fix it. Bring endless numbers of emotional children to nations obsessed with Jewish bullshit therapeutics (purposely designed to undermine social cohesion) and this is what you get.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
    @Peterike

    Exactly. Excellent post.

    Thank you.

  133. @Jack D
    @Tono Bungay

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    "this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect..."

    I don't know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen's parents for a clinical disease because you don't know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child's disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn't surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Inquiring Mind

    Great post as usual. Schizophrenia is as genetic as baldness and hair colors and texture. . Thanks.

  134. Dr. Anglin agrees misdiagnosis plays a role and raises critical questions about race that the field of psychiatry can’t ignore.

    There’s your problem: you’re reading the wrong Dr Anglin.

  135. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    As I read it, the testimony points to the operation of ordinary market forces and not toward manipulation:


    Major US beef supply chain disruptions over the past two years have sent the cattle and beef
    industry into uncharted, but explainable territory. The imbalance of excess market-ready cattle
    supplies in the face of reduced operational packing capacity has put downward pressure on cattle
    prices. Meanwhile, consumer demand for beef and all animal proteins has reached record levels,
    fueled by pandemic stockpiling, increased and reallocated consumer income, and more recently,
    restaurant re-openings, not to mention export demand. These dynamics, combined with elevated
    processing costs, have increased the spread between beef price and cattle price, just as economic
    principles, past research, and historical market relationships would suggest. Both the direction and
    magnitude of the price spread are well within the range of expectation.
     
    In other words, in the market for cattle on the hoof, you have a lot of supply (cattle who are at the age where they are ready to harvest) at a time when the meatpackers are buying less because Covid has reduced their ability to process cattle into beef. More supply than demand - cattle prices go down.

    In the market for packaged beef, you have the opposite situation. The processors, again, have reduced production capacity, but consumers are demanding MORE beef than usual. So more demand than supply - beef prices go up.

    This is not at all mysterious.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Forbes

    Jack–You can’t reason someone out of a position he didn’t reason his way into. Even a flashlight won’t help some find their way out of the dark in which they’d prefer to remain. Cheers.

  136. @BluEidDvl
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve often thought of this very scenario myself. I’ve always been intrigued & fascinated by the sub-genre of history/science fiction of the multiverse or alternate history. What if say starting in the late 1860s the U.S. actually DID repatriate the recently freed slaves back to Africa which was Lincoln’s original plan?. I think of the countless, myriad ways our society would be improved. Of course, we’d HAVE to get control of the parasitic (((tribe))) that has so degraded our society with its usurious banking system & control of the media. But just think of how much better our cities, our schools, our very society would be if we didn’t have this enormous millstone around our necks with their presence?. The countless White women raped. The plethora once great cities destroyed. The culture utterly degraded. The schools rendered useless to accommodate them. The immense treasure spent just to try & contain their enormous dysfunctions & ineptitude. Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔

    Replies: @Alden, @AnotherDad

    I think of not the taxpayers billions that could have been spent on forests infrastructure schools etc but kept by the individual taxpayers to spend as they wish.

  137. @AnotherDad
    So the gist of this is that for their own health and safety black people should be kept as far away from white people as possible.

    Uh ... ok! Let's come together to make that happen.

    Replies: @John Cunningham

    Since these Dindus see America as a White ruled hellhole, let’s save all if them by shipping them back to Africa. No White Supremacy in Ghana or Congo.

  138. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Packing capacity is not necessarily static, indeed the entire premise of your efficient markets assumption requires it to be dynamic.

    The precise nature of those particular dynamics (or lack thereof!) is the mystery to which he alludes. There are both market and non-market forces at work there along with said unknown unknowns.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY’s demand so it doesn’t help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY’s demand so it doesn’t help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.
     
    I think people are fooled by the movies, where years of events are boiled down into a couple of hours. Unconsciously, some people really think that was a couple of hours' worth of events.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Des, i think Jack has explained this pretty well.

    I'll throw in that another thing going on the Western drought has caused ranchers to have to sell off, or be willing to sell off, larger parts of their herds than in a "normal"--i.e. drought free year.

    But the basic thing is that the Democrats' "Covid!" thing has messed up a lot of stuff in the real--the actual physical--part of the economy. Including by creating America's first (half-assed) guaranteed income program--Covid welfare. On top of this a bunch of firms'--including pretty high quality industries like autos--planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.

    For packers, they were hit by Covid shutdowns and--the most obvious thing--lost some access to cheap foreign labor. (There are probably other supply chain issues as well.) In a normal healthy national economy this wouldn't be an issue as these plants would employ fewer, but American, people at higher wages and be more automated. But American packing is one of the industries that's been screwed up by the merchantilist/immigrationist takeover. It has dropped from unpleasant but decent paying to being highly reliant on running through lots of cheap foreign low IQ labor--illegals, refugees--and lagged in automation relative to 1st world peers. (And many plants need lots of it, because it is unpleasant and lots of people quit.) And--utterly surprisingly--plants packed full of low IQ refugee/illegals foreigners were Covid spreading hotspots.

    If this were a transition point in a return to national sanity--American workers employed at high wages inducing high pressure to adopt the highest possible level of automation--i'd be more than happy to pay 3x, 5x, 10x for my meat to get it done and end this sleazy entry point for "refugees" from "shithole" countries.

    But that, of course, is not what we're getting from Biden. Cattlemen will get shitty prices for a while and you'll pay high prices for a while for your meat ... and they'll be a new flood of Somalis whose posterity will enrich your posterity's lives down through the generations. This is your nation on merchantilism. Your nation run by people who don't give a crap about it or you.








    one of the obvious things is cheap immigrant labor.

    Replies: @Jack D

  139. @Patrick McNally
    One simple explanation for a rise in schizophrenia would simply be the end of arranged marriages. In the old days when marriage was arranged by extended families people were given a sort of assurance that this was fitting into a bigger picture which was supposed to work. Granting that it didn't really always work as well as some would like to imagine, there was some kind of structure. The liberalization which spread after the 19th century meant that people had more individual options and hence could choose a better mate, which undoubtedly sometimes happened. But it also forced people to be more aware of how what they were getting from a mate was really divorced from much else in their life. With an arranged marriage all of this was just one package. But with liberalized marriage there is greater awareness of how different disparate desires may be divorced from each other and reflect a schizophrenic quality.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alden

    Schizophrenia is a genetic disease. It’s no more influenced by a patient’s marriage than hair color and texture, baldness and height.

    Plus it’s first manifestation is in the teens before most people, especially the men , were married or arrangements were being made. The medieval European ideal remember was man in his late 20s -33 or so woman 17-22. Since most of the men didn’t get married till at least 10 years after the first manifestations of schizophrenia I doubt their marriages had anything to do with it.

    Except for the Muslim ideal of 9-12 year old brides of course. Is that your fantasy? Arranged temporary marriages and quickie divorces with 11 year olds?

    Those medieval teen marriages were among royalty aristocracy and great families to consolidate economic and political power. Not applicable to 95 percent of the population. In Asia, it wasn’t marriage. Just parents selling their daughters as concubines geishas and prostitutes.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @Alden

    Mental Illness is a myth.See Thomas Szasz

  140. ‘…“You have to have that famous talk with your children that white people don’t have: ‘Even if you just buy a pack of gum at the store, don’t leave without a receipt.’”….’

    Does anybody ever actually have that talk, or is it like people touching black hair?

  141. You’d think white folks were sitting around, sticking pins into effigies of black folks, to drive them crazy. No, wait – santeria, witchcraft, zombie religions – those are their cultural heritage, and communing with demons will make you psychotic.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Fran Macadam

    Demons or no, if you have one guy whose brain chemicals cause him to doubt the existence of objective reality and to worry about plotting influencers or furniture-movers, and another guy who has been raised to doubt objective reality and to worry about plotting influencers or furniture movers, you have the same problem regardless of root cause. Their culture is craziness.

  142. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Yes, I know. There are always people who think they know what the market price "should be" and become upset when the actual market doesn't match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.

    The market doesn't care about "should be" any more than the thermometer cares what the temperature today "should be". If the weather doesn't match your expectations, your expectations are wrong, not the weather. The weather doesn't live in a world of right and wrong, it just is. So too markets. Of course, nowadays we are neo-primitives and we go looking for human causes for the weather also.

    Replies: @Mr Mox

    There are always people who think they know what the market price “should be” and become upset when the actual market doesn’t match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.

    You just described the EU’s agricultural policy. Here, dark forces really are at work; Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU’s GDP in 2020. Even if all derivatives from farming are included, we’re still talking single-digit GDP numbers.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Mr Mox

    “ Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU’s GDP in 2020”

    F GDP. Keeping local farm production going (assuming it’s not Big Ag) is literally the only useful thing the EU has ever done. That said, the EU and the Euro should be burned to the ground and every EU bureaucrat tarred and feathered.

    Replies: @Mr Mox

  143. Studies have found the link between race and psychosis to be higher than smoking for cancer…

    Dr. Kirkbride describes a British experiment that asked a diverse group of psychiatrists to independently diagnose patients whose ethnicity was hidden. He says higher rates of diagnosis for the racialized groups persisted.

    Double blind racism?

    Science is still working hard on the finer details.

    I luv it when science is personified like this.

    He also describes the incongruity of being given the responsibility of his job and at the same time feeling judged inferior because of his race.

    Affirmative action is awesome!

    Blacks are ticking time-bombs and should be watched carefully removed from white societies.

  144. @RichardTaylor
    @Reg Cæsar


    Alert Raj Chetty: the Harvard economist who works with colossal datasets of 1040s, imprisonment, SAT scores, etc. has been preaching that the best thing black mothers can do for their sons is to move them far away from other black youth out into white neighborhoods
     
    Lordy Lordy, looks like you may have to White Flight again!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/03/9f/08039f843b5899f896f3ee4d4127ef43.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Slavery isn’t coming back, Dick.

  145. White men doing what they do best.

    Cheering on Blacks who got rich by kicking a ball.

  146. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY's demand so it doesn't help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY’s demand so it doesn’t help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.

    I think people are fooled by the movies, where years of events are boiled down into a couple of hours. Unconsciously, some people really think that was a couple of hours’ worth of events.

  147. @angmoh
    I have seen arguments that this brand of hard-to-define/detect racist effects has some merits. From twitter user Uriah (@crimkadid):

    Since the 1960’s British clinicians have noticed that black migrants to the country, whether from the Caribbean or Africa itself, have a much higher rate of schizophrenia than the general population. It turns out that Indian and Pakistani immigrants also have higher rates.

    Now part of the story is why these groups are so particularly affected, but the general lesson is that immigration increases everyone’s risk of going crazy; in fact it’s the largest environmental risk factor. If the wrong person does it, changing countries can be disastrous.

    The relationship between schiz and migration was first noticed in Norwegian immigrants to Minnesota (my people) by Odegaard in 1932. He found that most of his schizos had been considered eccentric even back in Norway and concluded that selective migration was the explanation.

    This argument was taken by many psychiatrists, but it’s incorrect. After 1975, 1/3rd of the population of Suriname moved to the Netherlands and developed schizophrenia at 5x the rate of people left behind (source). That’s much too large an effect for selection.

    It also interestingly turns out that immigrants to the Netherlands who live in neighborhoods where their own ethnicity is dominant have basically normal schiz rates, it’s those that go alone that are responsible for the excess (source).

    People have a hard time accepting this finding and I don’t blame them. The experts were skeptical for a long time, too. Environmental effects aren’t normally so dramatic. It raises the question: how does that happen, exactly?

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”. In other words, being a minority is bad, even worse than you appreciated.

     

    Replies: @anon, @Indiana Jack, @Dieter Kief, @J.Ross, @Rob, @RonaldB

    Another possibility.

    Most (or all) of the studies on migrants involve migrating from low-technology to high-technology societies. The high-technology societies have better social services and more generous welfare benefits.

    My hypothesis is that in the home countries, particularly in rural areas, the deviant individuals are quietly and quickly killed or allowed to die from their own inability to take care of themselves. In the urban areas of the home countries, the kin culling process is not as easily done. Also, where the ethnic group of the offender is predominate, the social support mechanism might be stronger. This keeps the deviant individual functioning longer than he otherwise would.

    Once the individual migrates, the individual who becomes deviant is, at worst, incarcerated with adequate food and shelter, and is indulged as long as his offenses are not too flagrant. And sometimes when the offense is extremely flagrant.

    This ad hoc explanation accounts for the normal rate of deviancy in the home country, especially in the less dense (rural) areas and for the higher rates of deviancy in the more crowded and ethnically similar areas.

    This proposal is heavier on the notion that changes in the environment facilitate the display of deviant behavior driven primarily by racial genetic differences. The proposal that schizophrenically-inclined individuals manifest more deviant behavior in environments where most social cues are foreign to their culture, is an explanation assuming the proportion of deviant genetic factors is not heavier, but is driven by a particular environment.

  148. @Elli
    Is this your longest column, Steve?

    In Minnesota, Somali children are diagnosed with autism at higher rates than they are in Somalia, and at higher rates than American white children and I believe, than Afro-American children.

    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.

    Maybe Somali women in Minnesota have more autistic children because they are stressed.

    Maybe children in Somalia aren't diagnosed.

    Veiled and cloaked women suffer from vitamin D deficiency in even in sunny places near the equator.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Muggles, @RonaldB

    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.

    One fairly straightforward explanation for this problem with Somalis and other Africans uprooted from former hunter-gather type tribal societies (as well as MENA and others) is that the ancient practice of first cousin or close family marriages remains pretty common there.

    Women are still “prized” and practically auctioned off, but arrangements between cousins and other clan kin is also done, especially in rural areas where villages tend to be small and separated.

    So in-breeding might be a real factor. This might also be a problem with American blacks though after many generations here that tendency has greatly diminished. It has been a noticeable problem in certain American Indian tribes as well as in some mountain “hillbilly” areas (whites).

    All “sect” type groups, mainly now religious, suffer this problem. Some go to some lengths to overcome this problem but if “modernism” is rejected it takes work.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Muggles


    So in-breeding might be a real factor. This might also be a problem with American blacks though after many generations here that tendency has greatly diminished. It has been a noticeable problem in certain American Indian tribes as well as in some mountain “hillbilly” areas (whites).
     
    Same with Jews. Very inbred.
  149. A lot of OT stuff but will be of interest to people here, under more tag. Troy Iwata and his co-conspirators gained notoriety recently for a “satirical” song about homosexuals winning children away from intolerant parents. It turns out that four years ago, Iwata and company had a musical they had to apologize for because it romanticized bacha bazi (Afghan pedophilia).

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  150. A NYT article from about six years ago says that rates of schizophrenia in West Africa are “roughly the same” as elsewhere. I don’t know if “roughly the same” means “higher but not much higher,” or something else…

    Surveys, like one by psychiatrists at the University of Ibadan in Nigeria, put the prevalence of schizophrenia, characterized by hallucinations and delusions, at 0.5 to 2.5 percent, roughly the same as the global prevalence.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/health/the-chains-of-mental-illness-in-west-africa.html

    In immigrant populations, a higher rate would not be surprising, especially in people who sought asylum or were refugees — their case for admission as a refugee or asylee is often premised on having endured trauma, and it is well known that trauma can lead to mental illness.

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
    @Giant Duck

    I’m really curious about this topic. In the early 1900s, the immigration authorities at Ellis island barred a wide range of people, including criminals, the insane, the retarded, the sick, and people who couldn’t support themselves.

    Do our immigration authorities screen for the same things today?

    Also, we’re there a higher percentage of retarded people among Irish, Southern and Eastern European immigrants 100 years ago than blacks today?

  151. @Elli
    Is this your longest column, Steve?

    In Minnesota, Somali children are diagnosed with autism at higher rates than they are in Somalia, and at higher rates than American white children and I believe, than Afro-American children.

    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.

    Maybe Somali women in Minnesota have more autistic children because they are stressed.

    Maybe children in Somalia aren't diagnosed.

    Veiled and cloaked women suffer from vitamin D deficiency in even in sunny places near the equator.

    Replies: @Whataboutery2020, @Muggles, @RonaldB

    Vitamin D deficiency has been credited for many deleterious effects. Surely if true, it would be easy to devise a controlled, randomized experiment where one random population is supplied with vitamin D and the other, sugar pills. After a year or two, differences of the magnitude claimed should be easily apparent.

  152. @dvorak

    Maybe psychiatrists are reluctant to diagnose black men as: “A violent criminal who should be convicted and imprisoned,” so they are more likely to hand out dubious diagnoses of schizophrenia?
     
    Kendi's Fence - as you retweeted, the tendency for the new, new left to blame modern failures on the policies of the new left, which blamed their contemporaneous failures on the policies of the old left. All the while, calling the policies conservative.

    The idea of a 'correctional facility' if you think about it, is obviously the work of the old, old left.

    Replies: @RonaldB

    Not really. The idea of “correctional facility” is fully embraced by your new, new left when it is conservative demonstrators and Trump supporters who are incarcerated. Just like, the new, new left is fine with expanded police powers to go after Trump supporters, even while calling for defunding local police.

  153. @Morton's toes
    @Reg Cæsar

    That was exactly my thought RC. Jorgensen's wikipedia page is pretty interesting. Died at 63 from lung and bladder cancer and Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda. There is a whole deck of pub trivia quiz questions on that page.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ragno

    Ed Wood made a movie that I was reminded I had heard of but surely will never watch called Glenn or Glenda.

    Like most Ed Wood movies, it should be watched, if only for surreal hilarity. Insofar as modern manias go, Ed’s version was almost normal, as his kink was transvestitism – periodically dressing up like a woman for a sex thrill, but otherwise living his everyday life as a man.

    I know what you’re thinking: how could “dressing up like a woman for a sex thrill” be remotely considered normal? Because everything’s relative…. and in a world where “educators” prescribe hormone-blockers for small children and insistently recommend life-altering surgery for teenagers, while the government punishes those of its citizens who refuse to adhere to charts of invented sexualities and wholly-arbitrary pronouns…..well…..secretly wearing a garter belt under your work dungarees so you can cum in your pants during your lunch break is normal – comparatively, anyway.

  154. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Everything is dynamic in the long run but static in the short run. Can packing capacity be increased in a year or two? Absolutely. Maybe even in six months. Can it be increased in a day or a week? No. But market prices are based on TODAY's demand so it doesn't help you that a new packing plant will open in 2022 or even that NEXT month Covid benefits will expire so your workforce will come back to work. You will buy only as many cattle as your plant can process TODAY with the workforce you have today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @AnotherDad

    Des, i think Jack has explained this pretty well.

    I’ll throw in that another thing going on the Western drought has caused ranchers to have to sell off, or be willing to sell off, larger parts of their herds than in a “normal”–i.e. drought free year.

    But the basic thing is that the Democrats’ “Covid!” thing has messed up a lot of stuff in the real–the actual physical–part of the economy. Including by creating America’s first (half-assed) guaranteed income program–Covid welfare. On top of this a bunch of firms’–including pretty high quality industries like autos–planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.

    For packers, they were hit by Covid shutdowns and–the most obvious thing–lost some access to cheap foreign labor. (There are probably other supply chain issues as well.) In a normal healthy national economy this wouldn’t be an issue as these plants would employ fewer, but American, people at higher wages and be more automated. But American packing is one of the industries that’s been screwed up by the merchantilist/immigrationist takeover. It has dropped from unpleasant but decent paying to being highly reliant on running through lots of cheap foreign low IQ labor–illegals, refugees–and lagged in automation relative to 1st world peers. (And many plants need lots of it, because it is unpleasant and lots of people quit.) And–utterly surprisingly–plants packed full of low IQ refugee/illegals foreigners were Covid spreading hotspots.

    If this were a transition point in a return to national sanity–American workers employed at high wages inducing high pressure to adopt the highest possible level of automation–i’d be more than happy to pay 3x, 5x, 10x for my meat to get it done and end this sleazy entry point for “refugees” from “shithole” countries.

    But that, of course, is not what we’re getting from Biden. Cattlemen will get shitty prices for a while and you’ll pay high prices for a while for your meat … and they’ll be a new flood of Somalis whose posterity will enrich your posterity’s lives down through the generations. This is your nation on merchantilism. Your nation run by people who don’t give a crap about it or you.

    one of the obvious things is cheap immigrant labor.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    On top of this a bunch of firms’–including pretty high quality industries like autos–planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.
     
    This didn't include meatpackers because fresh beef is perishable and can't be stockpiled. You should be glad that the only result was just increased beef prices and not starvation because there was enough resiliency in other parts of the supply chain that no one ever went hungry. Mass starvation in America would have gotten ugly in a hurry. You think that there is a lot of shooting in ghetto now?

    As for the auto industry, they long ago drank the KoolAid of "just in time" inventory. The Japanese invented this not out of any special economic wisdom but out of necessity - after WWII, Japanese car factories were small, suppliers were located nearby and manufacturers were poor. So they couldn't order 10,000 seats and have them sit in their warehouse until they were needed the way Ford and GM did it in America. Every morning the supplier would drop off a couple of cartfuls of seats (carburetors, tires, speedometers, radiators, etc.) and when the first cartful was empty, the factory would send the cart back down the block to their supplier's factory and pick up the next load. And for a supplier NOT to deliver the next load was unthinkable. The suppliers and the manufacturer were linked together under interlocking ownership - Toyota owned part of Nippon Denso and Denso owned Toyota stock and their mutual bank owned more of the stock of both. So there was no way a Denso sararyman could just shrug his shoulders and say " So solly, no distlibutor avairable today." Might as well kill yourself. So it all worked pretty well for them.

    In the early 80s when Americans thought that the Japanese could do no wrong, they set out to copy the Japanese auto production system lock stock and barrel (except for the part where Japanese workers put the cars together instead of the residents of Detroit and St. Louis). So "just in time" inventory was one of the things that they blindly copied (and they invented rationales such as cost saving for it). It's like the Russians who copied the B-29 right down to the bullet hole patches. If you are not sure what the real reason is for something, you're afraid to mess with it.

    To make it even worse, American car manufacturers used to have captive (wholly owned) parts suppliers. Unfortunately, these suppliers were then subject to the same union contract as the rest of the company. You also couldn't pit one supplier against the other - GM cars had Delco radios and none other. So in another brainstorm, they spun off their parts subsidiaries - Delco became Delphi, a publicly traded separate company. Delphi could open non-union factories in Mexico and GM could also get bids on radios from Asian manufacturers. So they lost control of their supply chain too.

    Then came Covid.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Paperback Writer

  155. I think Repatriation is the solution.

  156. @Jack D
    @Anon

    I think the explanation is this: humans are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia to varying degrees. Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier). Others are only somewhat predisposed and perhaps only to milder forms of the disease, such that if they have good parenting and a quiet, drug free, stress free life in a homogeneous community the disease will never manifest itself to the point where they have a psychotic break. Perhaps they even have mild symptoms, but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms - they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind. Or they are seen as a harmless eccentrics or fools with some odd beliefs or they are kept sheltered by their parents and family at home such that they are never diagnosed as schizophrenic.

    However, if this same individual is plucked from his village and culture and taken to live in a chaotic urban environment, he cracks under the stress. And at some point his mother (there is usually no father in the picture) is unwilling or unable to control his behaviors and he ends up homeless or in an institution.

    The manner in which schizophrenia is explained is always influenced by culture. In the past, it was believed that the patient was possessed by evil spirits or Satan. At one point when Freud was in vogue, it was due to bad parenting (see my comment above). In today's society, whitey is to blame. People always need to find a human cause for everything, even impersonal forces like markets or the weather.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms – they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind

    Thanks Jack. This explains it:

    I prayed plenty as AnotherBoy and the Virgin Mary never appeared to me. I wrote this off as “had bigger fish to fry”–i.e. people with real problems. But maybe my problem was just … growing up in the suburbs and not being nuts!

    OTOH … i have been very, very fortunate in life.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You probably just weren't praying hard enough. The Virgin knows the difference between fake prayer and the real thing.

    Replies: @anonymous

  157. Anon[570] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @Elli


    Autism and schizophrenia are linked to a common series of genes, as are major depression, bipolar disorder, and attention deficit disorder.
     
    One fairly straightforward explanation for this problem with Somalis and other Africans uprooted from former hunter-gather type tribal societies (as well as MENA and others) is that the ancient practice of first cousin or close family marriages remains pretty common there.

    Women are still "prized" and practically auctioned off, but arrangements between cousins and other clan kin is also done, especially in rural areas where villages tend to be small and separated.

    So in-breeding might be a real factor. This might also be a problem with American blacks though after many generations here that tendency has greatly diminished. It has been a noticeable problem in certain American Indian tribes as well as in some mountain "hillbilly" areas (whites).

    All "sect" type groups, mainly now religious, suffer this problem. Some go to some lengths to overcome this problem but if "modernism" is rejected it takes work.

    Replies: @Anon

    So in-breeding might be a real factor. This might also be a problem with American blacks though after many generations here that tendency has greatly diminished. It has been a noticeable problem in certain American Indian tribes as well as in some mountain “hillbilly” areas (whites).

    Same with Jews. Very inbred.

  158. Children with mental problems are more often the victims of a parent or parents with mental problems. It is that easy.

  159. The NY Post says the same thing that you’ve been posting about for years. Liberal women really want conservative men, despite what they might say they want. Liberal men are left confused why they don’t have a girlfriend.

    One new insight from this article is that walking “curb side” is considered old fashioned and conservative. News to me.

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/why-progressive-women-want-to-date-men-who-act-conservative/

    Why progressive women want to date men who act like conservatives

    My friend Mark, 36, is a “catch” by many New York City standards. He’s good-looking, highly educated, and a talented photographer. He’s also progressive and participates in protests and gives to left-leaning causes. And Mark is looking for love. He wants to get married and have kids.

    In a liberal city like New York, swimming with single women wishing they weren’t, one could assume Mark wouldn’t have a problem finding a mate. And while he dates and recently had a couple of short-lived relationships, Mark remains single. He’s trying to understand why.

    “I’m really open-minded and cool about gender stuff on dates, but I always feel like I’m walking on eggshells,” Mark told me. “If I pay for dinner, it signals I don’t value my date as my equal so I’m super casual about it all. If she wants to pay or split it or whatever, that’s fine with me.”

    I told Mark that, despite his best intentions, his egalitarian dating style could be the problem that’s holding him back. While some women balk at any hint of traditional male gender behavior, more lament the loss of chivalry. I’m one of them. I find it attractive when a man plans our first few dates and knowingly walks curbside when we’re together. It signals he wants to protect me from passing traffic or errant puddle splashes.

    “When I was a kid, my mom told me to always walk curbside, but I assumed my generation of women would think it’s too old-fashioned,” Mark told me. “Now, I’m really confused.”

    The female desire to feel protected and looked after is built into our DNA, says evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, a professor at the University of New Mexico and author of several books including “The Mating Mind.”

    “It’s a mismatch between what progressive women say they want and what they actually respond to,” Miller told me. “Women’s instinctive mate preferences have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years for guys who are competent, strong, good providers, good protectors and happy with a sexual division of labor,” he added. Women want “decisive men who are also compassionate and thoughtful.”

    • Replies: @anon
    @ginger bread man

    The female desire to feel protected and looked after is built into our DNA,

    Evo-psych exists no matter how many toddler temper tantrums aging feministas and oh-so Traditional Conservatives have.

    Heartiste lolz.

    , @John Johnson
    @ginger bread man

    “I’m really open-minded and cool about gender stuff on dates, but I always feel like I’m walking on eggshells,” Mark told me. “If I pay for dinner, it signals I don’t value my date as my equal so I’m super casual about it all. If she wants to pay or split it or whatever, that’s fine with me.”

    Good lord how can he be 36 and that clueless.

  160. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Many of the conditions listed in the DSM are more in the nature of social conditions than true clinical diseases, but schizophrenia is a true disease. If you've ever met a real schizophrenic, their brains are highly disordered - they hear voices in their head, etc. Even to a layman, it's quite obvious that they are sick. It's not at all subtle.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I have a comment, still awaiting moderation, which clarifies my earlier not well expressed comment.

    Of course, schizophrenia is a real disorder. But the diagnosis is not always consonant with the reality.

    The majority of racial grousing is bullshit, but not all of it is. A diagnosis of schizophrenia is a terrible shame, but a diagnosis of bipolar disorder is not. I have been told by several medical professionals that there really is no difference between the two. They are both serious thought disorders. If you’re black, you’re schizophrenic. If you’re white, you’re bipolar.

    This reminds me of the old joke. What’s the difference between a crazy old broad and an eccentric old lady? A million dollars.

  161. @Alden
    @Patrick McNally

    Schizophrenia is a genetic disease. It’s no more influenced by a patient’s marriage than hair color and texture, baldness and height.

    Plus it’s first manifestation is in the teens before most people, especially the men , were married or arrangements were being made. The medieval European ideal remember was man in his late 20s -33 or so woman 17-22. Since most of the men didn’t get married till at least 10 years after the first manifestations of schizophrenia I doubt their marriages had anything to do with it.

    Except for the Muslim ideal of 9-12 year old brides of course. Is that your fantasy? Arranged temporary marriages and quickie divorces with 11 year olds?

    Those medieval teen marriages were among royalty aristocracy and great families to consolidate economic and political power. Not applicable to 95 percent of the population. In Asia, it wasn’t marriage. Just parents selling their daughters as concubines geishas and prostitutes.

    Replies: @epochehusserl

    Mental Illness is a myth.See Thomas Szasz

  162. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier).
     
    What are the early telltale signs?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Warning signs include deterioration in school performance, social withdrawal, disorganized or unusual behavior, a decreased ability to perform daily activities, a deterioration in self-care skills, bizarre hygiene and eating behaviors, changes in affect, a lack of impulse control, hostility and aggression, and lethargy.

    The problem is that many of these symptoms are also associated with other disorders (or with just plain old teenage behavior) so often these warning signs are understood only in retrospect.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  163. @Giant Duck
    A NYT article from about six years ago says that rates of schizophrenia in West Africa are "roughly the same" as elsewhere. I don't know if "roughly the same" means "higher but not much higher," or something else...

    Surveys, like one by psychiatrists at the University of Ibadan in Nigeria, put the prevalence of schizophrenia, characterized by hallucinations and delusions, at 0.5 to 2.5 percent, roughly the same as the global prevalence.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/health/the-chains-of-mental-illness-in-west-africa.html

    In immigrant populations, a higher rate would not be surprising, especially in people who sought asylum or were refugees -- their case for admission as a refugee or asylee is often premised on having endured trauma, and it is well known that trauma can lead to mental illness.

    Replies: @ginger bread man

    I’m really curious about this topic. In the early 1900s, the immigration authorities at Ellis island barred a wide range of people, including criminals, the insane, the retarded, the sick, and people who couldn’t support themselves.

    Do our immigration authorities screen for the same things today?

    Also, we’re there a higher percentage of retarded people among Irish, Southern and Eastern European immigrants 100 years ago than blacks today?

  164. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Jack D

    I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments in your post, but pure schizophrenia is an exceptionally interesting phenomenon, as understanding it, on a deeper level than "brain chemistry", can give you insights into almost everything.

    Even that idiot's blaming of "a lack of parental discipline" has an unintended merit, once you deeply understand what schizophrenia is.

    Imagine that the doors of your perception were opened to their maximum and everything which you could possibly sense, you actually did sense. This would be completely overwhelming, though, it would also, in some ways, be you being more alive.

    Now imagine trying to hold yourself together in that instance, to not be overwhelmed and lost in the madness of it.

    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.

    "Parental discipline" is an interesting metaphor for this. The commenter who wrote it, may be a cretin, but even his cretinous mind could reach some truth, if only through metaphor.

    This is because his doors of perception are far too closed, probably because he is to psychologically incapable to have them open more than ajar.

    It is this defence against madness which needs.

    This leads him to come up with glib labels that allow him the simulation of understanding, without the true understanding that comes from experiencing. He is seeing the truth, but through many protective layers, which means its image is all distorted.

    A pure schizophrenic can look at the truth directly, but the "they" that is looking, becomes overwhelmed and so their perception is also distorted.

    Schizophrenia is more likely to come on during puberty, because humans develop more senses and more perceptions as puberty hits. This is overwhelming for most people, but it is sometimes irrecoverably overwhelming for the types of creative and wonderful children whose doors of perception were already wide open.

    There is nothing parents or family members can do to stop this, which has any evidence behind it, except to care for their relation and remember with hope, that the schizophrenic is on their own journey and that they are going in the direction which God intends. May all of them be blessed with the courage that this requires.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.

    Do you have a citation for this?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anonymous

    I am just putting my experiences into words and organising them, so as to communicate them effectively.

    I am happy to write in greater detail on this. Is there some question you would want explored?

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    This observation will be repeated throughout the literature on LSD.

  165. OT Cuba is protesting, projected to be biggest since fall of Soyuz, issue is living conditions.

    England is … um, apparently this is about a soccer game, which they haven’t lost yet.

    • Replies: @Russ
    @J.Ross


    England is … um, apparently this is about a soccer game, which they haven’t lost yet.
     
    Oh my goodness! England just lost UEFA 2020 (or whatever it is) to Italy -- on their home pitch in Wembley Stadium, no less ... on three consecutive missed penalty kicks by three of their darker-hued players. (I shouldn't have noticed. I shouldn't have noticed. I shouldn't have noticed.)

    Replies: @J.Ross

  166. It’s true that schizophrenia is genetic but it’s also true that a non-schizophrenic can be trained to act schizophrenic, and at the worst point they’d only be distinguished by a chemical test, which becomes academic.

  167. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/hyonschu/status/1414124051799318531?s=20

    Top. Madrassas.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @njguy73

    I wonder if that guy realizes that it’s the urban dwellers, not the rural dwellers, while been contributing the most to climate change, and that when TSHTF, it’ll be the rural dwellers who endure.

  168. @Fran Macadam
    You'd think white folks were sitting around, sticking pins into effigies of black folks, to drive them crazy. No, wait - santeria, witchcraft, zombie religions - those are their cultural heritage, and communing with demons will make you psychotic.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Demons or no, if you have one guy whose brain chemicals cause him to doubt the existence of objective reality and to worry about plotting influencers or furniture-movers, and another guy who has been raised to doubt objective reality and to worry about plotting influencers or furniture movers, you have the same problem regardless of root cause. Their culture is craziness.

  169. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms – they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind
     
    Thanks Jack. This explains it:

    I prayed plenty as AnotherBoy and the Virgin Mary never appeared to me. I wrote this off as "had bigger fish to fry"--i.e. people with real problems. But maybe my problem was just ... growing up in the suburbs and not being nuts!

    OTOH ... i have been very, very fortunate in life.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You probably just weren’t praying hard enough. The Virgin knows the difference between fake prayer and the real thing.

    • LOL: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Jack D


    You probably just weren’t praying hard enough. The Virgin knows the difference between fake prayer and the real thing.
     
    Do you pray?
  170. Fwiw, maybe pot and other drugs do contribute to schizophrenia but my impression is that a lot of people who are already schizo self-medicate with pot and crack. Schizophrenia first, then the drugs follow.

    Another black-guys-and-drugs thing I noticed during my decades in NYC is how often the young black guys who’ve committed crimes have done so while high on pot. Which led me to think that pot must hit black guys and white guys very differently. White guys who are high get lazy, goofy and soft and want to listen to long boring songs. But a lot of black guys who are high on pot want to strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paleo Retiree

    An alternative explanation is that many young ghetto black guys like to strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things. Young ghetto black guys also like to smoke pot a lot, so most of the time, when they strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things they are in fact stoned. But I'm not sure the pot either adds or detracts from their other favorite hobby of strutting around a neighborhood, pushing other people around and breaking into stores and stealing things.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  171. anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You probably just weren't praying hard enough. The Virgin knows the difference between fake prayer and the real thing.

    Replies: @anonymous

    You probably just weren’t praying hard enough. The Virgin knows the difference between fake prayer and the real thing.

    Do you pray?

  172. @Paleo Retiree
    Fwiw, maybe pot and other drugs do contribute to schizophrenia but my impression is that a lot of people who are already schizo self-medicate with pot and crack. Schizophrenia first, then the drugs follow.

    Another black-guys-and-drugs thing I noticed during my decades in NYC is how often the young black guys who’ve committed crimes have done so while high on pot. Which led me to think that pot must hit black guys and white guys very differently. White guys who are high get lazy, goofy and soft and want to listen to long boring songs. But a lot of black guys who are high on pot want to strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things.

    Replies: @Jack D

    An alternative explanation is that many young ghetto black guys like to strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things. Young ghetto black guys also like to smoke pot a lot, so most of the time, when they strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things they are in fact stoned. But I’m not sure the pot either adds or detracts from their other favorite hobby of strutting around a neighborhood, pushing other people around and breaking into stores and stealing things.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Pot can bring on psychosis, esp. repeated use. Don't ask for links or cites, this is just word of mouth.

    Ennyway, Haiti has asked for US intervention. Wypipo gotta go in and clean up the mess. I'm just praying that most of our troops are gay or transgender. Because I'm tired.

  173. anon[847] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @anon


    Or more generally, what does this say about larger societies? Paging Robert Putnam…
     
    What is the relevance of scale to this?

    Replies: @anon

    What is the relevance of scale to this?

    Recall that this is the sentence I replied to.

    The preferred explanation is that it arises from “the long-term experience of social defeat, i.e., the chronic stressful experience of outsider status”.

    Scale obviously matters.
    Scale is the difference between one man who disturbs his village, and the Zebra serial killers.

  174. @Tono Bungay
    A psychiatrist utterly repudiated by his confreres thought of schizophrenia this way: "What we call schizophrenia is often the result of a certain kind of the childhood development with respect to rulefollowing. Normally, the child learns his basic repertory of rules through loving submission to adult authority: language, patterns of dress, and a great deal of everyday conduct are learned in this way. If the adult is uncaring, or is not respected by the child, we witness the development of the coercive megalomania so typical of the behavior of the person later diagnosed as schizophrenic. This usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect, the young person becomes his own lawgiver. He acts and feels as if there were nothing he could not do (especially if he tried hard enough); and nothing he should not be allowed to do. And he comes to believe that if he cannot do something, it must not be worth doing. Such a person then tries to live not by the rule that anything worth doing is worth doing well, but by the maxim that only those things are worth doing that he already knows how to do well; and since he does not know how to do anything well, he alternately pretends and claims mastery of arts, crafts, and knowledge he does not possess; and scornfully rejects the value of all practical endeavors. In short, (some) schizophrenia is a type of arrogance and immodesty."

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @Jack D, @vhrm

    This appears to be by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz

    From his 1973 book:

    (found via https://existentialstoic.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/the-second-sin/ )

    I’m no expert, but i certainly sympathize with his criticism of overly medicalizing the human condition.

    A year or two ago youtube fed me this 10 yo lecture on schizophrenia by Professor Robert Sapolsky in a Psych class at Stanford. (starts at 23:40 in the video though should be queued up already)

    I’ve found it a pretty compelling overview. He points out that it’s a whole family of diseases, and some of the symptoms are just extreme cases of otherwise normal traits, but it effectively conveys, imo, that there’s some real THERE there and this isn’t just made up.

    One takeaway, is that it makes me thankful for my mostly neurotypical and reasonably functioning brain.

    While i hate what the CRT people have done with and want to do with “white privilege”, “ableism” et al, the “There but for the grace of God go I ” is true in many ways and definitely this one.

  175. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Des, i think Jack has explained this pretty well.

    I'll throw in that another thing going on the Western drought has caused ranchers to have to sell off, or be willing to sell off, larger parts of their herds than in a "normal"--i.e. drought free year.

    But the basic thing is that the Democrats' "Covid!" thing has messed up a lot of stuff in the real--the actual physical--part of the economy. Including by creating America's first (half-assed) guaranteed income program--Covid welfare. On top of this a bunch of firms'--including pretty high quality industries like autos--planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.

    For packers, they were hit by Covid shutdowns and--the most obvious thing--lost some access to cheap foreign labor. (There are probably other supply chain issues as well.) In a normal healthy national economy this wouldn't be an issue as these plants would employ fewer, but American, people at higher wages and be more automated. But American packing is one of the industries that's been screwed up by the merchantilist/immigrationist takeover. It has dropped from unpleasant but decent paying to being highly reliant on running through lots of cheap foreign low IQ labor--illegals, refugees--and lagged in automation relative to 1st world peers. (And many plants need lots of it, because it is unpleasant and lots of people quit.) And--utterly surprisingly--plants packed full of low IQ refugee/illegals foreigners were Covid spreading hotspots.

    If this were a transition point in a return to national sanity--American workers employed at high wages inducing high pressure to adopt the highest possible level of automation--i'd be more than happy to pay 3x, 5x, 10x for my meat to get it done and end this sleazy entry point for "refugees" from "shithole" countries.

    But that, of course, is not what we're getting from Biden. Cattlemen will get shitty prices for a while and you'll pay high prices for a while for your meat ... and they'll be a new flood of Somalis whose posterity will enrich your posterity's lives down through the generations. This is your nation on merchantilism. Your nation run by people who don't give a crap about it or you.








    one of the obvious things is cheap immigrant labor.

    Replies: @Jack D

    On top of this a bunch of firms’–including pretty high quality industries like autos–planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.

    This didn’t include meatpackers because fresh beef is perishable and can’t be stockpiled. You should be glad that the only result was just increased beef prices and not starvation because there was enough resiliency in other parts of the supply chain that no one ever went hungry. Mass starvation in America would have gotten ugly in a hurry. You think that there is a lot of shooting in ghetto now?

    As for the auto industry, they long ago drank the KoolAid of “just in time” inventory. The Japanese invented this not out of any special economic wisdom but out of necessity – after WWII, Japanese car factories were small, suppliers were located nearby and manufacturers were poor. So they couldn’t order 10,000 seats and have them sit in their warehouse until they were needed the way Ford and GM did it in America. Every morning the supplier would drop off a couple of cartfuls of seats (carburetors, tires, speedometers, radiators, etc.) and when the first cartful was empty, the factory would send the cart back down the block to their supplier’s factory and pick up the next load. And for a supplier NOT to deliver the next load was unthinkable. The suppliers and the manufacturer were linked together under interlocking ownership – Toyota owned part of Nippon Denso and Denso owned Toyota stock and their mutual bank owned more of the stock of both. So there was no way a Denso sararyman could just shrug his shoulders and say ” So solly, no distlibutor avairable today.” Might as well kill yourself. So it all worked pretty well for them.

    In the early 80s when Americans thought that the Japanese could do no wrong, they set out to copy the Japanese auto production system lock stock and barrel (except for the part where Japanese workers put the cars together instead of the residents of Detroit and St. Louis). So “just in time” inventory was one of the things that they blindly copied (and they invented rationales such as cost saving for it). It’s like the Russians who copied the B-29 right down to the bullet hole patches. If you are not sure what the real reason is for something, you’re afraid to mess with it.

    To make it even worse, American car manufacturers used to have captive (wholly owned) parts suppliers. Unfortunately, these suppliers were then subject to the same union contract as the rest of the company. You also couldn’t pit one supplier against the other – GM cars had Delco radios and none other. So in another brainstorm, they spun off their parts subsidiaries – Delco became Delphi, a publicly traded separate company. Delphi could open non-union factories in Mexico and GM could also get bids on radios from Asian manufacturers. So they lost control of their supply chain too.

    Then came Covid.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    Just in time ordering is also responsible for many of the out of stocks at the big retail chains like Target, even before Covid. Ordering is automated based on purchase and sales data. The data is often corrupt since many real-world un-recorded things happen to inventory, including theft, incorrect ringing up by cashiers, discrepancies in the receiving data, etc.
    Keep in mind - if the system shows inventory on hand and no sales, it will continue to not order. So out of stocks become self-perpetuating for an out of stock item with false inventory.
    And it is guaranteed that the out of stocks will be on the best sellers.
    I have shopped for these systems before and haven't found one that solves these problems.
    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Yngvar

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    In honor of the subject, and of Italy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-HI85fsrc4

  176. @Hangnail Hans
    So many words. Just spend a few years living in a "legacy" metropolis and you'll figure this out right quick.

    Replies: @Russ

    Toronto is in Canada. Canada has serious, serious issues.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/official-reveals-unmarked-graves-in-canada-are-part-of-an-overgrown-cemetery

    The headline “Official reveals ‘unmarked graves’ in Canada are part of an overgrown cemetery” is the LifeSiteNews.com headline; upon first reading, I thought it was from the Babylon Bee or the Onion.

    Perhaps it’s all the reefer.

  177. Anonymous[224] • Disclaimer says:

    1) Shades of the death-penalty-minimum-IQ debate in this diagnosis hubbub. Is psychiatry/psycho-therapeu-social-work hopelessly pozzed? I know some conservatives have been saying that for 80-plus years but I thought the profit centers had recently shifted toward evidence-based (ha ha) pharmaceuticals, instead of spiritual healing and/or talking about one’s relationship with Mom.
    2) Did Fanon contribute to academic research in his field?? This article mentions various doctorate-holders worshipfully “quoting” him but I had thought his fame derived all from political propaganda he composed. What’s he known for doing as a clinician? I don’t see astrophysicists quoting Brian May on quantum loop gravity.

  178. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    On top of this a bunch of firms’–including pretty high quality industries like autos–planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.
     
    This didn't include meatpackers because fresh beef is perishable and can't be stockpiled. You should be glad that the only result was just increased beef prices and not starvation because there was enough resiliency in other parts of the supply chain that no one ever went hungry. Mass starvation in America would have gotten ugly in a hurry. You think that there is a lot of shooting in ghetto now?

    As for the auto industry, they long ago drank the KoolAid of "just in time" inventory. The Japanese invented this not out of any special economic wisdom but out of necessity - after WWII, Japanese car factories were small, suppliers were located nearby and manufacturers were poor. So they couldn't order 10,000 seats and have them sit in their warehouse until they were needed the way Ford and GM did it in America. Every morning the supplier would drop off a couple of cartfuls of seats (carburetors, tires, speedometers, radiators, etc.) and when the first cartful was empty, the factory would send the cart back down the block to their supplier's factory and pick up the next load. And for a supplier NOT to deliver the next load was unthinkable. The suppliers and the manufacturer were linked together under interlocking ownership - Toyota owned part of Nippon Denso and Denso owned Toyota stock and their mutual bank owned more of the stock of both. So there was no way a Denso sararyman could just shrug his shoulders and say " So solly, no distlibutor avairable today." Might as well kill yourself. So it all worked pretty well for them.

    In the early 80s when Americans thought that the Japanese could do no wrong, they set out to copy the Japanese auto production system lock stock and barrel (except for the part where Japanese workers put the cars together instead of the residents of Detroit and St. Louis). So "just in time" inventory was one of the things that they blindly copied (and they invented rationales such as cost saving for it). It's like the Russians who copied the B-29 right down to the bullet hole patches. If you are not sure what the real reason is for something, you're afraid to mess with it.

    To make it even worse, American car manufacturers used to have captive (wholly owned) parts suppliers. Unfortunately, these suppliers were then subject to the same union contract as the rest of the company. You also couldn't pit one supplier against the other - GM cars had Delco radios and none other. So in another brainstorm, they spun off their parts subsidiaries - Delco became Delphi, a publicly traded separate company. Delphi could open non-union factories in Mexico and GM could also get bids on radios from Asian manufacturers. So they lost control of their supply chain too.

    Then came Covid.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Paperback Writer

    Just in time ordering is also responsible for many of the out of stocks at the big retail chains like Target, even before Covid. Ordering is automated based on purchase and sales data. The data is often corrupt since many real-world un-recorded things happen to inventory, including theft, incorrect ringing up by cashiers, discrepancies in the receiving data, etc.
    Keep in mind – if the system shows inventory on hand and no sales, it will continue to not order. So out of stocks become self-perpetuating for an out of stock item with false inventory.
    And it is guaranteed that the out of stocks will be on the best sellers.
    I have shopped for these systems before and haven’t found one that solves these problems.
    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @rebel yell


    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.
     
    In general automated systems are a huge upgrade in keeping on top of things. A decent automated system is not ordering when "out of stock" or "below X" but monitoring the whole pattern of inventory and sales--immediate trend line, seasonally, days of the week, etc. etc.--to predict and get stuff there on time.

    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that "manages by walking around". The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database "inventory".

    And, of course, having conscientious people ... declines as immigration and dysgenics reduces the IQ and conscientiousness of your working population.

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @Yngvar
    @rebel yell

    Walmart use robots to check what's shelved.
    https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/0322_nws_ldn-l-walmart-08-0322.jpg

  179. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    Actually it’s the one thing psychiatry nailed down to an objective test.
    ODD, on the other hand, is pretty much obviously just a power grab.

  180. @Peterike
    Blah blah blah. All nonsense. Blacks are hyper-emotional (as are Arabs) and on top of that have the emotional maturity of children, even as adults. The problem is they are big cry babies who constantly imagine slights (where do you think “dis” came from?).

    It’s not racism and nothing will fix it. Bring endless numbers of emotional children to nations obsessed with Jewish bullshit therapeutics (purposely designed to undermine social cohesion) and this is what you get.

    Replies: @GeneralRipper

    Exactly. Excellent post.

    Thank you.

  181. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Paperback Writer

    "Schizophrenia ... is a garbage diagnosis."

    Having spent the past few days hearing what I believed to be voices in my head, I began looking at the symptoms of schizophrenia. This investigation led me to conclude that what I was experiencing was auditory hallucinations which every human experiences to some degree or another. Confident in my diagnosis I settled in to watch The Friends of Eddie Coyle for the 16th time. Right before small time gun runner Bob Mitchum gets whacked I began hearing the voices again; only this time their indecipherable words were replaced by giggles. I knew then it wasn't schizophrenia or the common auditory hallucination. The dolls were giggling; they were laughing at me. It was the dolls all along.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I guess I deserved this.

    I wasn’t clear. Schizophrenia is real.

    But it’s DX’d incorrectly, and I’m suspicious of a mental disorder that used to afflict blacks and whites equally, but which now afflicts mostly blacks, while whites are “bipolar.”

    See my other comments, after approval.

    Thanks for reading and it’s been a lesson in what not to say!

  182. @anon
    yet steve thinks mental illness (like IQ scores, personality, etc.) falls from the sky like a meteor. or he thinks it's duh genes yo because muh twin studies yo.

    steve should marx more.

    everyone is discriminated against all the time for a million (often illegitimate) reasons. the focus on various identities as the sole personal characteristic subject to illegitimate discrimination is an intentional distraction from inequality and subjective means of admissions, hiring, promotion, etc. which perpetuate it. american life is largely an olympic figure skating competition. dumb gay people like libertarians, charles murray, and steve think figure skating is just like sprinting. sad.

    https://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/620/public/mental%20illness.jpg?itok=naWaOKS6

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Henry's Cat, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    That graph is disingenuous nonsense.

    It is a cherry-picked effort that only shows which of those countries picked, have a long-established culture of labelling things.

    It is a graph of analytical versus continental philosophy. With Japan, being Eastern, operating as an extreme outlier of the Continental kind, exactly as Eastern philosophy operates.

    Unsurprisingly, if you label a lot of things and people, you will have a higher incidence of people labelled with the term “mental illness.”

  183. @Jack D
    @Paleo Retiree

    An alternative explanation is that many young ghetto black guys like to strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things. Young ghetto black guys also like to smoke pot a lot, so most of the time, when they strut around a neighborhood, push other people around and break into stores and steal things they are in fact stoned. But I'm not sure the pot either adds or detracts from their other favorite hobby of strutting around a neighborhood, pushing other people around and breaking into stores and stealing things.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Pot can bring on psychosis, esp. repeated use. Don’t ask for links or cites, this is just word of mouth.

    Ennyway, Haiti has asked for US intervention. Wypipo gotta go in and clean up the mess. I’m just praying that most of our troops are gay or transgender. Because I’m tired.

  184. Black psychiatrist diagnoses schizo blacks. It’s whiteys fault.

    Blacks buy into the White Saviors’ schtick. Blacks are incapable of anything. Kamala says they can’t even obtain IDs. ‘Mazin’. The Jamaican slave owner identifies as a White Savior.

  185. @Observator
    There’s been an interesting case of this in ultra-liberal Cambridge Mass., where a black man has been arrested for torturing and murdering his neighbors' cats. Google “Rashad Gober” for details. His online presence includes comments about how much he hates white policemen and Boston white people, the posting of a mock-obituary of himself in which he is killed by a racist cop, and other bizarreness including of course his support of BLM. And he works for a Christian college (no surprise there either) as a “senior administrative assistant at education resource strategies” which sounds like a nice easy made-up affirmative action posting. Naturally comments sympathizing with this sociopath abound on local bulletin boards, coz white racism drove him mad. He isn’t just a crazy asshole who happens to be black, uh huh, that’s too simple an answer.

    Replies: @El Dato

    It’s just the neighbour’s cats. That’s ok.

    After that it will be the neighbour’s white kids.

    Still ok.

  186. No, pathos is tragedy. They’re so fanatically terrified of anything approaching pathos that they’re reaching levels of bathos that shouldn’t even be possible, hence the comedy.

    Though it’s not so funny for those in the crosshairs. And they’re not alone in their a-pathy.

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Remember the sabbath and keep it holy.

  187. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Paperback Writer


    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.
     
    The borders of all forms of madness are maddening, but attaching labels to complex phenomena is useful for aiding thought and communication; even if it is important not to reify the label.

    By picking schizophrenia, you have picked one of the easier forms of madness to place within definable limits. It isn't that they have one delusion, it is that they have extremely chaotic thinking. This is because, though everyone, thankfully, has some chaos in their thought, we choose to set the defining line at an extreme point. This makes diagnosed schizophrenics almost instantly identifiable.

    Fascinatingly and pertinently for this blog post, labels might be seen as anti-schizophrenic, since they are an attempt to order thought.

    We might therefore pose a labelling-experiencing dichotomy. Pure and extreme schizophrenics experience everything, directly without labels. People, who tend to label and define everything, end up locked behind those labels, slow, muffled and directly experiencing nothing.

    Once you understand all of this, it makes perfect sense that black people would be diagnosed with schizophrenia more often: every newspaper in the US seems to think that Whiteness is about labelling and defining, while Blackness is about experiencing. This isn't a fiction.

    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?

    I can't tell you why some people are more prone to dive into the abyss, nor why some are less or more prone to dissolve, but I can say that genius is those gifted individuals who can take fun swims in that reservoir, while easily remaining whole.

    Replies: @El Dato

    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?

    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @El Dato


    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.
     
    I agree.

    I also think that the analogies layer, which might be called intuitive analysis, is excellent as it is paper thin, but even that might be shed in favour of, in order, visualisation, complete experiencing and, finally, no layer, which is just knowing.
    , @Anonymouse
    @El Dato

    >The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    Well said maybe because it jibes with my writing experience.

  188. @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    Just in time ordering is also responsible for many of the out of stocks at the big retail chains like Target, even before Covid. Ordering is automated based on purchase and sales data. The data is often corrupt since many real-world un-recorded things happen to inventory, including theft, incorrect ringing up by cashiers, discrepancies in the receiving data, etc.
    Keep in mind - if the system shows inventory on hand and no sales, it will continue to not order. So out of stocks become self-perpetuating for an out of stock item with false inventory.
    And it is guaranteed that the out of stocks will be on the best sellers.
    I have shopped for these systems before and haven't found one that solves these problems.
    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Yngvar

    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.

    In general automated systems are a huge upgrade in keeping on top of things. A decent automated system is not ordering when “out of stock” or “below X” but monitoring the whole pattern of inventory and sales–immediate trend line, seasonally, days of the week, etc. etc.–to predict and get stuff there on time.

    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that “manages by walking around”. The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database “inventory”.

    And, of course, having conscientious people … declines as immigration and dysgenics reduces the IQ and conscientiousness of your working population.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @AnotherDad


    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that “manages by walking around”. The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database “inventory”.
     
    In my area i've had these out of stock experiences repeatedly with Walgreens, Target, Home Depot ( and maybe Lowe's) ; basically large corporations that have made the IT investment to link their inventory system to a consumer facing website / ordering system.

    A few of the times i was annoyed enough (when "23 in stock" turned out to be 0 ) that I pursued the issue w/ "the manager" (which was generally a shift-lead or assistant manager type, not the actual store manager).

    A few months ago at Walgreens they actively (and repeatedly; we're talking a 15 minute discussion here) disclaimed any ability to do anything to update or correct the computer's idea of their stock levels or to influence what gets shipped to their store. I'm not sure i believe it, but i believe that this assistant mgr type, who had been there for years, believed that. So it seems they don't do it.

    At Target (where this happens pretty regularly) i had a similar discussion with basically the same assertion two or three times in the past 1.5 years.

    At a Home Depot also about a year ago, i found an eager young man at the Customer Service desk who at first was dismissive (oh, it's there, go look in aisle X ) but who, once i came back and after i spent quite some time explaining that they're not even just OUT of that item but that their system seems to wrongly believe this is an item that's stocked when it never is.... actually seemed to want to fix the issue and went off to discuss it w/ the store manager who claims to have started the process of fixing it.

    How much of this is bad corporate policy; how much of it is confused or untrained employees, and how much it's just people not giving a darn, i don't know.

    In my life as an employee (not in retail) i've seen all three issues in spades among even college or more white collar office people and professionals. In my exp it's been most often bad corp policy / lack of tools, followed by people not knowing what can be done, and only last people not giving a darn.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  189. @J.Ross
    OT Cuba is protesting, projected to be biggest since fall of Soyuz, issue is living conditions.

    https://twitter.com/RosaMariaPaya/status/1414263514408099841

    https://twitter.com/currodkrraguao/status/1414280100615442440

    England is ... um, apparently this is about a soccer game, which they haven't lost yet.

    https://twitter.com/RaveFootage/status/1414261099696898059

    Replies: @Russ

    England is … um, apparently this is about a soccer game, which they haven’t lost yet.

    Oh my goodness! England just lost UEFA 2020 (or whatever it is) to Italy — on their home pitch in Wembley Stadium, no less … on three consecutive missed penalty kicks by three of their darker-hued players. (I shouldn’t have noticed. I shouldn’t have noticed. I shouldn’t have noticed.)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Russ

    >England v Italy
    >Italy wins
    Uh yeah that's not fortunetelling or knowledge about soccer, I mean, come on.
    >Italy actually wins because DIEversity is our downfall
    ... everything turned out better than expected.

  190. @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.
     
    Do you have a citation for this?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ben tillman

    I am just putting my experiences into words and organising them, so as to communicate them effectively.

    I am happy to write in greater detail on this. Is there some question you would want explored?

  191. [MORE]

  192. @ginger bread man
    The NY Post says the same thing that you’ve been posting about for years. Liberal women really want conservative men, despite what they might say they want. Liberal men are left confused why they don’t have a girlfriend.

    One new insight from this article is that walking “curb side” is considered old fashioned and conservative. News to me.

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/why-progressive-women-want-to-date-men-who-act-conservative/

    Why progressive women want to date men who act like conservatives

    My friend Mark, 36, is a “catch” by many New York City standards. He’s good-looking, highly educated, and a talented photographer. He’s also progressive and participates in protests and gives to left-leaning causes. And Mark is looking for love. He wants to get married and have kids.

    In a liberal city like New York, swimming with single women wishing they weren’t, one could assume Mark wouldn’t have a problem finding a mate. And while he dates and recently had a couple of short-lived relationships, Mark remains single. He’s trying to understand why.

    “I’m really open-minded and cool about gender stuff on dates, but I always feel like I’m walking on eggshells,” Mark told me. “If I pay for dinner, it signals I don’t value my date as my equal so I’m super casual about it all. If she wants to pay or split it or whatever, that’s fine with me.”

    I told Mark that, despite his best intentions, his egalitarian dating style could be the problem that’s holding him back. While some women balk at any hint of traditional male gender behavior, more lament the loss of chivalry. I’m one of them. I find it attractive when a man plans our first few dates and knowingly walks curbside when we’re together. It signals he wants to protect me from passing traffic or errant puddle splashes.

    “When I was a kid, my mom told me to always walk curbside, but I assumed my generation of women would think it’s too old-fashioned,” Mark told me. “Now, I’m really confused.”

    The female desire to feel protected and looked after is built into our DNA, says evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, a professor at the University of New Mexico and author of several books including “The Mating Mind.”

    “It’s a mismatch between what progressive women say they want and what they actually respond to,” Miller told me. “Women’s instinctive mate preferences have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years for guys who are competent, strong, good providers, good protectors and happy with a sexual division of labor,” he added. Women want “decisive men who are also compassionate and thoughtful.”
     

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson

    The female desire to feel protected and looked after is built into our DNA,

    Evo-psych exists no matter how many toddler temper tantrums aging feministas and oh-so Traditional Conservatives have.

    Heartiste lolz.

  193. @BluEidDvl
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve often thought of this very scenario myself. I’ve always been intrigued & fascinated by the sub-genre of history/science fiction of the multiverse or alternate history. What if say starting in the late 1860s the U.S. actually DID repatriate the recently freed slaves back to Africa which was Lincoln’s original plan?. I think of the countless, myriad ways our society would be improved. Of course, we’d HAVE to get control of the parasitic (((tribe))) that has so degraded our society with its usurious banking system & control of the media. But just think of how much better our cities, our schools, our very society would be if we didn’t have this enormous millstone around our necks with their presence?. The countless White women raped. The plethora once great cities destroyed. The culture utterly degraded. The schools rendered useless to accommodate them. The immense treasure spent just to try & contain their enormous dysfunctions & ineptitude. Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔

    Replies: @Alden, @AnotherDad

    Think of the trillions spent on them since the mid ‘60s if instead that could’ve been spent on infrastructure, urban renewal, schools, environmental controls & re-forestation, etc, etc, etc?. 🤔

    One of things i didn’t mention is that public transportation in the US is worse than in other 1st world nations. A big part of this is that being with “the public” is less appealing.

    And–as Alden alluded to–a bunch of these taxes could have been left with the taxpayer! allowing productive people to have larger families–which is much easier in the absence of the pressure on housing and schools that “diversity” creates.

  194. England sent three blacks to the line in the penalty shootouts vs Italy today for the European Cup. (3 out of the 5 they sent.) All three failed to score.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon


    England sent three blacks to the line in the penalty shootouts vs Italy today for the European Cup. (3 out of the 5 they sent.) All three failed to score.
     
    Whites have better fine motor control than do Blacks. Fast twitch muscle fiber is probably negatively correlated with fine motor control.

    Plus, if memory serves, Steve has speculated that Whites may generally be calmer under pressure than are Blacks.

  195. Wow.

  196. Video under more tag.
    Phase One — Acceptance — accept that you have been arrested and comply with all orders.
    Phase Two — Negotiation — ensure the officer knows about any recent cases of somebody hurting your feelings.
    Phase Three — Appeal To Kink — while handcuffed, attempt to bite the arresting officer. It’s a crapshoot, but if he enjoys it, you’re good.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @J.Ross

    Reality isn't just different from mass-media propaganda. It's exactly the opposite of mass-media propaganda.

    How in God's name can cops deal with these creatures? Why should they have to? Why should anyone have to?

  197. Non-white players lost penalties for England moments ago at EURO tournament final. White privilege in action.

  198. @AnotherDad
    @rebel yell


    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.
     
    In general automated systems are a huge upgrade in keeping on top of things. A decent automated system is not ordering when "out of stock" or "below X" but monitoring the whole pattern of inventory and sales--immediate trend line, seasonally, days of the week, etc. etc.--to predict and get stuff there on time.

    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that "manages by walking around". The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database "inventory".

    And, of course, having conscientious people ... declines as immigration and dysgenics reduces the IQ and conscientiousness of your working population.

    Replies: @vhrm

    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that “manages by walking around”. The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database “inventory”.

    In my area i’ve had these out of stock experiences repeatedly with Walgreens, Target, Home Depot ( and maybe Lowe’s) ; basically large corporations that have made the IT investment to link their inventory system to a consumer facing website / ordering system.

    A few of the times i was annoyed enough (when “23 in stock” turned out to be 0 ) that I pursued the issue w/ “the manager” (which was generally a shift-lead or assistant manager type, not the actual store manager).

    A few months ago at Walgreens they actively (and repeatedly; we’re talking a 15 minute discussion here) disclaimed any ability to do anything to update or correct the computer’s idea of their stock levels or to influence what gets shipped to their store. I’m not sure i believe it, but i believe that this assistant mgr type, who had been there for years, believed that. So it seems they don’t do it.

    At Target (where this happens pretty regularly) i had a similar discussion with basically the same assertion two or three times in the past 1.5 years.

    At a Home Depot also about a year ago, i found an eager young man at the Customer Service desk who at first was dismissive (oh, it’s there, go look in aisle X ) but who, once i came back and after i spent quite some time explaining that they’re not even just OUT of that item but that their system seems to wrongly believe this is an item that’s stocked when it never is…. actually seemed to want to fix the issue and went off to discuss it w/ the store manager who claims to have started the process of fixing it.

    How much of this is bad corporate policy; how much of it is confused or untrained employees, and how much it’s just people not giving a darn, i don’t know.

    In my life as an employee (not in retail) i’ve seen all three issues in spades among even college or more white collar office people and professionals. In my exp it’s been most often bad corp policy / lack of tools, followed by people not knowing what can be done, and only last people not giving a darn.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @vhrm

    I had the same today at Home Depot. 18 in stock was 0. It's not uncommon. My wife was at the local Sherwin Williams' to by our painters preferred brand but they've had "no semi-gloss for months" following some disaster in Texas. Aldi has a specific page explaining why they may be out of stock on "this weeks specials". They sporadically are out (for weeks) on the frozen beans with which we dilute the dogs food ( Lost 15% body weight in 8 months).
    etc etc.
    We are witnessing a societal collapse.

    It's almost as if Whites aren't supreme anymore.

    Replies: @Alden

  199. Here’s some food for thought regarding schizophrenia and autism:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201612/gray-white-matter-mri-opposite-in-autistics-vs-psychotics

    Apparently, the two diseases are opposites. The virtual mirror image relation between the two is uncanny.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill P

    One is stuff made up and the other is stuff you can't make up.

  200. Just how mind numbingly stupid do you have to be to do this?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/528946-famous-texas-voter-arrested/

    It’s all Whitey’s fault.

  201. In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.

    England started better with a shocking goal at 2 min, but lost energy and Italy was clearly better afterwards.

    Incidentally, Italy had one of the the less “diverse” team of the Championship, with no Africans and only two naturalized Brazilians who are half-Italian (or perhaps 1/4?).

    Interesting. Congratulations to both teams.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dumbo


    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.
     
    Didn’t three Black players miss?

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Dumbo


    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.
     
    It was worse than that. The third player who missed the penalty kick, the final one that would have leveled the score, was a 19-year-old of Nigerian family, but born in London.

    Apparently he had never taken a penalty kick for his club, Arsenal, (which means that he had never taken a penalty kick in front of a large crowd of spectators, TV cameras, and members of the Royal family).

    The reason he was picked to take the kick was that he looked good in training!

    However what is not good is that these three young millionaires, all of exemplary character, have already been vilified on Twitter by racist commenters.

    The error made was not so much over race, but that they were all quite young and appeared to be justifiably overwhelmed by the occasion, when it might have been better to stick to more experienced players.

    And taking a penalty kick from dead center 12 yards out with just the goalkeeper to beat, in theory no top class player should ever fail, because from that distance a goalkeeper will never see a well-hit and well-placed kick, but nerves can get in the way of successful execution.

    Replies: @Anon

  202. @Bill P
    Here's some food for thought regarding schizophrenia and autism:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201612/gray-white-matter-mri-opposite-in-autistics-vs-psychotics

    Apparently, the two diseases are opposites. The virtual mirror image relation between the two is uncanny.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    One is stuff made up and the other is stuff you can’t make up.

  203. @vhrm
    @AnotherDad


    The problem is having competent, conscientious people backing it up and catching glitches. The store manager that “manages by walking around”. The department sales leads that notice shortages and are empowered to check against database “inventory”.
     
    In my area i've had these out of stock experiences repeatedly with Walgreens, Target, Home Depot ( and maybe Lowe's) ; basically large corporations that have made the IT investment to link their inventory system to a consumer facing website / ordering system.

    A few of the times i was annoyed enough (when "23 in stock" turned out to be 0 ) that I pursued the issue w/ "the manager" (which was generally a shift-lead or assistant manager type, not the actual store manager).

    A few months ago at Walgreens they actively (and repeatedly; we're talking a 15 minute discussion here) disclaimed any ability to do anything to update or correct the computer's idea of their stock levels or to influence what gets shipped to their store. I'm not sure i believe it, but i believe that this assistant mgr type, who had been there for years, believed that. So it seems they don't do it.

    At Target (where this happens pretty regularly) i had a similar discussion with basically the same assertion two or three times in the past 1.5 years.

    At a Home Depot also about a year ago, i found an eager young man at the Customer Service desk who at first was dismissive (oh, it's there, go look in aisle X ) but who, once i came back and after i spent quite some time explaining that they're not even just OUT of that item but that their system seems to wrongly believe this is an item that's stocked when it never is.... actually seemed to want to fix the issue and went off to discuss it w/ the store manager who claims to have started the process of fixing it.

    How much of this is bad corporate policy; how much of it is confused or untrained employees, and how much it's just people not giving a darn, i don't know.

    In my life as an employee (not in retail) i've seen all three issues in spades among even college or more white collar office people and professionals. In my exp it's been most often bad corp policy / lack of tools, followed by people not knowing what can be done, and only last people not giving a darn.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I had the same today at Home Depot. 18 in stock was 0. It’s not uncommon. My wife was at the local Sherwin Williams’ to by our painters preferred brand but they’ve had “no semi-gloss for months” following some disaster in Texas. Aldi has a specific page explaining why they may be out of stock on “this weeks specials”. They sporadically are out (for weeks) on the frozen beans with which we dilute the dogs food ( Lost 15% body weight in 8 months).
    etc etc.
    We are witnessing a societal collapse.

    It’s almost as if Whites aren’t supreme anymore.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Bill Jones

    As far as I can observe. Almost no Whites work in retail at the individual store level any more from manager to entry level part time clerk in California any more. Maybe at the regional level or in charge of 10 or 12 stores. It’s those employee proof computer systems. It works for lots of companies and government agencies. But not for every business. And it depends on who enters the data. And who works in the warehouse. And who works in the regional distribution center that supplied the local warehouses.

    I’ve started ordering like a shopping list of small items from amazon every couple of months. Perhaps covid hoax has changed me into a recluse.

    Replies: @Anon

  204. Globe & Mail: Black Men Are More Psychotic, Whites Therefore Must be at Fault

    Perhaps this paper should be renamed the Globe and Blackmail.

  205. “Wait a minute, I’m confused about masks.”

    You most certainly are.

    California public schools mandate facediapers in 2021-22 school year.

    21 and done? I don’t think so, chemoboy.

  206. @J.Ross
    @angmoh

    Apart from the chemical aspect of schizophrenia (in other words, assuming chemicals are effect and not cause), schizophrenia must be a totally inevitable result of committing to a new reality, new set of rules, and new climate, having lived a siginificant part of dey's life in different ones. It's not pure insanity to question reality when you grow up in India and then work in Scotland.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Chemistry is a cause. I think violence plays a part. Know of at least two instances where white males in their twenties were subjected to intense violence (as in muggings) and the symptoms of schizophrenia started to manifest afterwards.

    Exposure to violence during brain development (infancy to young twenties) damages the brain, or rather causes it to respond and develop in ways it would not have had the violence beeen active.

    I’m talking about the pruning of connections. Interesting topic, BTW.

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @James Speaks

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    I have exhausted my supply of Norm MacDonald faces so please accept this suggestion of a charcoal rubbing.

    , @Rob
    @James Speaks

    My non-expert opinion is that blacks experience a lot more violence. There are exceptions, of course, but even government AA drone unwed mothers who are ‘middle class’ in that they have a degree and a FT salaried job tend to be very violent to their kids.

    The kids’ fathers are marginally involved in their lives. Mom’s boyfriend is often a poor parental figure, and does not care much about his own kids, so today’s gf’s kids? He does not have their interests at heart.

    In the mothers’ defense, have you seen the antics little black boys get up to? Every so often, a video of a black mother grooming her daughter’s hair into beads or whatever, goes viral. The mom’s scream, hit them with brushes, say awful things, and apply a lot of force brushing.

    From the outside, black parenting looks like child abuse. But blacks have different transfer functions than whites. The same input into a white and black kid result in drastically different output from the kid. The upper middle class style of reasoning with the kid and explaining things just will not work with black kids.

    Black boys are several times more likely to come to blows with each other than white boys are, but the difference in behavior between white girls and black girls is literally unbelievable. As in, I encourage people on this thread to share your craziest black girl chimp-out meltdown that you saw in school. See if you’d believe it if the story started, ‘this white girl, Jordan, she…’ I do not think it could be a mere cultural difference, or we’d see white girls melting down, screaming, crying, throwing desks around for 20-30 minutes at least sometimes.

    Black kids are so disruptive and such bad influences on a mixed-race class, that when coupled with the fact that black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school, there should be an alternative to school that does not consist of ‘bounce up and down in your seat shouting rap lyrics while humans attempt to pass on culture to their next generation’

    We could try giving all the black kids Ritalin, but I think that would have easily foreseeable unforeseen consequences. Or reparation-repatriation and they can develop their culture without the daily oppression of being forced to act like white people.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ragno

  207. @Dumbo
    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.

    England started better with a shocking goal at 2 min, but lost energy and Italy was clearly better afterwards.

    Incidentally, Italy had one of the the less "diverse" team of the Championship, with no Africans and only two naturalized Brazilians who are half-Italian (or perhaps 1/4?).

    Interesting. Congratulations to both teams.

    Replies: @anon, @Jonathan Mason

    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.

    Didn’t three Black players miss?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @anon

    Yes. Yes they did.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/104/0e9.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

  208. @El Dato
    @Triteleia Laxa


    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?
     
    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anonymouse

    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    I agree.

    I also think that the analogies layer, which might be called intuitive analysis, is excellent as it is paper thin, but even that might be shed in favour of, in order, visualisation, complete experiencing and, finally, no layer, which is just knowing.

  209. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    England sent three blacks to the line in the penalty shootouts vs Italy today for the European Cup. (3 out of the 5 they sent.) All three failed to score.

    https://www.twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/1414344717555412992

    Replies: @Anonymous

    England sent three blacks to the line in the penalty shootouts vs Italy today for the European Cup. (3 out of the 5 they sent.) All three failed to score.

    Whites have better fine motor control than do Blacks. Fast twitch muscle fiber is probably negatively correlated with fine motor control.

    Plus, if memory serves, Steve has speculated that Whites may generally be calmer under pressure than are Blacks.

  210. @Russ
    @J.Ross


    England is … um, apparently this is about a soccer game, which they haven’t lost yet.
     
    Oh my goodness! England just lost UEFA 2020 (or whatever it is) to Italy -- on their home pitch in Wembley Stadium, no less ... on three consecutive missed penalty kicks by three of their darker-hued players. (I shouldn't have noticed. I shouldn't have noticed. I shouldn't have noticed.)

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >England v Italy
    >Italy wins
    Uh yeah that’s not fortunetelling or knowledge about soccer, I mean, come on.
    >Italy actually wins because DIEversity is our downfall
    … everything turned out better than expected.

  211. @James Speaks
    @J.Ross

    Chemistry is a cause. I think violence plays a part. Know of at least two instances where white males in their twenties were subjected to intense violence (as in muggings) and the symptoms of schizophrenia started to manifest afterwards.

    Exposure to violence during brain development (infancy to young twenties) damages the brain, or rather causes it to respond and develop in ways it would not have had the violence beeen active.

    I'm talking about the pruning of connections. Interesting topic, BTW.

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    I have exhausted my supply of Norm MacDonald faces so please accept this suggestion of a charcoal rubbing.

  212. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Trelane

    "Let's move along to the next subject."

    Okay: Did your parents find another playground planet for you after the unfortunate Enterprise incident?

    Replies: @Trelane

    I haven’t finished studying my predators yet.

  213. OT and it is kind of obvious, but for all those people whose biggest problems are microaggressions, hair touching and cultural appropriation; what privileged, stress free lives they must lead.

    To experience those things as terrible is to be the proverbial princess, becoming all bruised, from sleeping on a pea. You must be among the most pampered people in history.

    When someone complains about this stuff, rather than invalidating their experience, we should all congratulate them on finding so much bliss that these tiny problems can become big by comparison.

    They are so good at living, so refined and sensitive, that even the tiniest bump, can be felt and examined in great detail.

    This is amazing. They are amazing.

  214. @Bill Jones
    @vhrm

    I had the same today at Home Depot. 18 in stock was 0. It's not uncommon. My wife was at the local Sherwin Williams' to by our painters preferred brand but they've had "no semi-gloss for months" following some disaster in Texas. Aldi has a specific page explaining why they may be out of stock on "this weeks specials". They sporadically are out (for weeks) on the frozen beans with which we dilute the dogs food ( Lost 15% body weight in 8 months).
    etc etc.
    We are witnessing a societal collapse.

    It's almost as if Whites aren't supreme anymore.

    Replies: @Alden

    As far as I can observe. Almost no Whites work in retail at the individual store level any more from manager to entry level part time clerk in California any more. Maybe at the regional level or in charge of 10 or 12 stores. It’s those employee proof computer systems. It works for lots of companies and government agencies. But not for every business. And it depends on who enters the data. And who works in the warehouse. And who works in the regional distribution center that supplied the local warehouses.

    I’ve started ordering like a shopping list of small items from amazon every couple of months. Perhaps covid hoax has changed me into a recluse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Alden


    I’ve started ordering like a shopping list of small items from amazon every couple of months.
     
    Why do you do that?
  215. @Dumbo
    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.

    England started better with a shocking goal at 2 min, but lost energy and Italy was clearly better afterwards.

    Incidentally, Italy had one of the the less "diverse" team of the Championship, with no Africans and only two naturalized Brazilians who are half-Italian (or perhaps 1/4?).

    Interesting. Congratulations to both teams.

    Replies: @anon, @Jonathan Mason

    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.

    It was worse than that. The third player who missed the penalty kick, the final one that would have leveled the score, was a 19-year-old of Nigerian family, but born in London.

    Apparently he had never taken a penalty kick for his club, Arsenal, (which means that he had never taken a penalty kick in front of a large crowd of spectators, TV cameras, and members of the Royal family).

    The reason he was picked to take the kick was that he looked good in training!

    However what is not good is that these three young millionaires, all of exemplary character, have already been vilified on Twitter by racist commenters.

    The error made was not so much over race, but that they were all quite young and appeared to be justifiably overwhelmed by the occasion, when it might have been better to stick to more experienced players.

    And taking a penalty kick from dead center 12 yards out with just the goalkeeper to beat, in theory no top class player should ever fail, because from that distance a goalkeeper will never see a well-hit and well-placed kick, but nerves can get in the way of successful execution.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    The error made was not so much over race, but that they were all quite young and appeared to be justifiably overwhelmed by the occasion, when it might have been better to stick to more experienced players.
     
    “Justifiably overwhelmed”? They shouldn’t have been put on the team then.
  216. @Mr Mox
    @Jack D


    There are always people who think they know what the market price “should be” and become upset when the actual market doesn’t match their desires. From there it is but a short leap to imagining that dark forces are causing this gap.
     
    You just described the EU's agricultural policy. Here, dark forces really are at work; Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU's GDP in 2020. Even if all derivatives from farming are included, we're still talking single-digit GDP numbers.

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU’s GDP in 2020”

    F GDP. Keeping local farm production going (assuming it’s not Big Ag) is literally the only useful thing the EU has ever done. That said, the EU and the Euro should be burned to the ground and every EU bureaucrat tarred and feathered.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    @Peterike


    F GDP. Keeping local farm production going (assuming it’s not Big Ag) is literally the only useful thing the EU has ever done. That said, the EU and the Euro should be burned to the ground and every EU bureaucrat tarred and feathered.
     
    Unfortunately Big Ag is the way things are heading. The number of farms in Denmark has been reduced with two thirds since 1972, and that trend is only going to continue. Farming is an industry now - endless fields with nothing but wheat, barley and rapeseed. All of them chemical cleaned deserts without life. As a hunter I hate it, and most of the farmers I know hate it as well.
  217. @UNIT472
    One of the most disturbing things to me is why, highly credentialed people, including doctors manage to devote themselves to thing extraneous to their field.

    One never hears of chemists or civil engineers pondering eschatological questions about race and using the imprimatur of their educational specialty to give credence to their theories. Would a civil engineer, e.g., opine on why it might be necessary to install larger diameter sewage pipes in a white neighborhood because its inhabitants shower and defecate more often?

    Would a chemist suggest that the chemical formula for food additives or dyes be altered because Chinese people can't tolerate the same dosage as Europeans?

    Maybe electrical engineers should study if microwave radiation emitted from our cellphones and appliances has different effects on different ethnic groups. It might be a lucrative field of study unless it turns out that negroes are adversely affected by cellphones. Then what? Reduce negro usage of cellphones? Require them to wear protective apparatus while using them.

    Replies: @One of the Last Few Patriots Left

    “Require them to wear protective apparatus while using them.”

    I wear my tin foil hat 24/7 and see how well I turned out!

  218. @Alden
    @Bill Jones

    As far as I can observe. Almost no Whites work in retail at the individual store level any more from manager to entry level part time clerk in California any more. Maybe at the regional level or in charge of 10 or 12 stores. It’s those employee proof computer systems. It works for lots of companies and government agencies. But not for every business. And it depends on who enters the data. And who works in the warehouse. And who works in the regional distribution center that supplied the local warehouses.

    I’ve started ordering like a shopping list of small items from amazon every couple of months. Perhaps covid hoax has changed me into a recluse.

    Replies: @Anon

    I’ve started ordering like a shopping list of small items from amazon every couple of months.

    Why do you do that?

  219. @Jonathan Mason
    @Dumbo


    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.
     
    It was worse than that. The third player who missed the penalty kick, the final one that would have leveled the score, was a 19-year-old of Nigerian family, but born in London.

    Apparently he had never taken a penalty kick for his club, Arsenal, (which means that he had never taken a penalty kick in front of a large crowd of spectators, TV cameras, and members of the Royal family).

    The reason he was picked to take the kick was that he looked good in training!

    However what is not good is that these three young millionaires, all of exemplary character, have already been vilified on Twitter by racist commenters.

    The error made was not so much over race, but that they were all quite young and appeared to be justifiably overwhelmed by the occasion, when it might have been better to stick to more experienced players.

    And taking a penalty kick from dead center 12 yards out with just the goalkeeper to beat, in theory no top class player should ever fail, because from that distance a goalkeeper will never see a well-hit and well-placed kick, but nerves can get in the way of successful execution.

    Replies: @Anon

    The error made was not so much over race, but that they were all quite young and appeared to be justifiably overwhelmed by the occasion, when it might have been better to stick to more experienced players.

    “Justifiably overwhelmed”? They shouldn’t have been put on the team then.

  220. Good of Dr. Kirkbride to make such a clear case for separation.

  221. @anon
    @Dumbo


    In the meantime, Italy won the Euro cup. Ironically, two Black players for England who apparently were put in just for the shootouts, missed both.
     
    Didn’t three Black players miss?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Yes. Yes they did.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Lurker

    It's just hard for them to hit their targets, especially without hitting other things at the same time.


    https://i.ibb.co/1mSfjpM/Capture-2021-07-12-01-53-31-2.png

    Awww...just one more and they could have a barbershop quartet 💈

  222. @Jack D
    @Tono Bungay

    This fellow was clearly trying to justify why schizophrenia usually does not manifest itself until after puberty:

    "this usually starts in the early teens. Not having a rule-maker he can respect..."

    I don't know when or by whom this was written, but schizophrenia has fuck all to do with parental discipline. It is a clinical brain disease. While its roots may be present at birth (schizophrenia appears to have a genetic component) , it is often triggered at the time of puberty or later by chemical changes in the brain that occur at that time. Compared to healthy people, differences in the volumes of specific components of the brain, in the way regions of the brain are connected and work together, and in neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, are found in people with schizophrenia. It is a sick form of gaslighting to blame a teen's parents for a clinical disease because you don't know the real cause. If the child developed multiple sclerosis, would you blame it on parenting style?

    Bruno Bettelheim used to do this with autism (another disease where the child is born seemingly normal and then at some point the disease appears). He caused untold anguish to parents (specifically mothers) by pointing to their parenting style as the cause of their child's disease. I cannot think of a more cruel thing to do. It wouldn't surprise me if he drove some parents to suicide. Before you go accusing parents of such a heinous crime, you had better be really really sure that they are the ones at fault.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Inquiring Mind

    I think the disagreement here is over the difference between the outer and the inner life of a person with what I have heard labeled as “major mental illness.”

    Based on people I have known on both sides of the divide, family members, friends and community members experience someone with major mental illness as being “difficult.” In other words, they can be a$$holes. They alienate those who would provide social and other forms of support and end up on the street. Or worse.

    I have heard people receiving long-term drug therapy for major mental illness describe what life is like without medication. Auditory hallucinations is part of it, yes, but the voices are not pleasant — they are angry, scary, frightening and frightful.

    Having experienced “spatial hallucinations” (distant objects “feel” like they are looming) when having a high fever from mumps, it is not so much the hallucination itself but the intangible sense of dread when experiencing them, which itself may be part of the mental illness (or the fever delirium) as the hallucination as being simply an odd experience. In the language of the drug culture, it is a “bad trip.”

    The outward symptoms of major mental illness are that the person is profoundly anti-social. But the inward symptoms are that you don’t have control of your thoughts and in a frightening way. Actually, this condition is “all in your head” but you don’t have control over it.

  223. @AnotherDad
    @Gaius Gracchus


    I saw a recent stat that if America was suddenly free of blacks, it would lose 13% of its population but only 1.2% of its employees. I suspected that was an exaggeration but there is likely some truth.
     
    As ArtDeco points out, not the case on employment.

    But what is the case is losing the black 13% of its population would be a huge boon to the United States. Huge, valuable real estate opened up. Large drops in (deadweight) public expenditures. Huge drops in security costs. Huge improvements in crime and people's worries about it and behavioral modifications to protect against it. Large reductions in education expenditure coupled improved performance. And potentially huge improvements in educational system performance reoriented toward improved student population and higher standards. Large drops in legal and compliance costs and potentially huge drops down the road if the whole apparatus of minoritarianism--basically justified by "blacks oppressed!"--could be chucked. Massive improvement in our political life and in our ability to reign in the super-state. Potentially a return to republican government.

    It's hard to appreciate just how expensive blacks are to their fellow Americans and the huge improvement in quality of life that their absence would create.

    Replies: @martin_2, @BluEidDvl, @L. Guapo

    There’s another 2% that’s even worse. Much worse.

  224. Anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anon

    I think the explanation is this: humans are genetically predisposed to schizophrenia to varying degrees. Some people are HIGHLY predisposed and will become schizophrenic in their teens or as young adults no matter what (often there are telltale warning signs even earlier). Others are only somewhat predisposed and perhaps only to milder forms of the disease, such that if they have good parenting and a quiet, drug free, stress free life in a homogeneous community the disease will never manifest itself to the point where they have a psychotic break. Perhaps they even have mild symptoms, but in their rural society these get channeled into socially acceptable forms - they have visions of the Virgin Mary and these are seen as holy rather than the product of a diseased mind. Or they are seen as a harmless eccentrics or fools with some odd beliefs or they are kept sheltered by their parents and family at home such that they are never diagnosed as schizophrenic.

    However, if this same individual is plucked from his village and culture and taken to live in a chaotic urban environment, he cracks under the stress. And at some point his mother (there is usually no father in the picture) is unwilling or unable to control his behaviors and he ends up homeless or in an institution.

    The manner in which schizophrenia is explained is always influenced by culture. In the past, it was believed that the patient was possessed by evil spirits or Satan. At one point when Freud was in vogue, it was due to bad parenting (see my comment above). In today's society, whitey is to blame. People always need to find a human cause for everything, even impersonal forces like markets or the weather.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Anon

    Virtually every human trait, including schizophrenia, is polygenic, meaning that it is caused by thousands of genes each responsible for less, usually much less, than 1 percent of the condition. What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve. The DSM in the past defined things like schizophrenia in a way that effectively decides where on the bell curve is the cut-off point, above which people have diagnosable schizophrenia. But there is a guy just left of that point, and billions of people some distance left of that point. Now the DSM uses “schizophrenia spectrum disorder.”

    Basically, every condition is a spectrum condition. Robert Plomin calls this “Abnormal is Normal,” in the sense that all of us are schizophrenic to at least a tiny, tiny extent. Plomin comments that we don’t at this point know what anti-schizophrenia is, exactly. Plomin says we do not yet know whether the opposite of a disease is good or bad, and whether falling in the middle might not be the best.

    Although everything is on a spectrum (height is obvious), there may be “cliffs” on the spectrum (that point when you have a heart attack or stroke).

    Here’s Plomin in his recent book, chapter 5, “Abnormal is Normal”:

    Genetic research shows that the medical model is all wrong when it comes to psychological problems. What we call disorders are merely the extremes of the same genes that work throughout the normal distribution. That is, there are no genes ‘for’ any psychological disorder. Instead, we all have many of the DNA differences that are related to disorders. The salient question is how many of these we have. The genetic spectrum runs from a few to a lot, and the more we have, the more likely we are to have problems.

    In other words, the genetic causes of what we call disorders are quantitatively, not qualitatively, different from the rest of the population. It’s a matter of more or less (quantitative), not either/or (qualitative). This might seem like an arcane academic issue but this finding is completely changing clinical psychology and psychiatry, especially as the DNA revolution comes along. It means there are no disorders – they are just the extremes of quantitative dimensions. That is what is meant by the slogan ‘Abnormal is normal’.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.

    Another important implication of the abnormal-is-normal finding is that we cannot cure a disorder because there is no disorder. Success in treatment should be viewed quantitatively, as the degree to which a problem is alleviated.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.

    • Thanks: S. Anonyia, ic1000
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    Just because something exists on a continuum doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all. We deal with line drawing problems all the time. It may be somewhat arbitrary but it is the only practical way of looking at reality. If you throw your hands up and say "it's all on a spectrum so we can't call anyone anything" then you can't even get out of bed. Our society has tied itself up in knots by overthinking such issues. As a practical matter, it makes no difference if we call people crazy/not crazy vs. crazy enough to lock up/ not crazy enough to lock up - they amount to the same thing.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Anon


    What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve.

     

    Not every other trait. Physical traits like hair and eye color are polygenetic but they aren't distributed on a bell curve. But it's an interesting thought. Why should intellect or height be distributed so when blondness isn't?

    And it seems that outright schizophrenia tends to be more common in men, while schizoaffective disorder - I guess that's the old name for schizophrenic spectrum - is more common in women. It may be x-linked. (Although I've known a few men who I think were schizoaffective. I think a lot of creative men are schizoaffective, which masks as bipolar.)

  225. Rob says:
    @James Speaks
    @J.Ross

    Chemistry is a cause. I think violence plays a part. Know of at least two instances where white males in their twenties were subjected to intense violence (as in muggings) and the symptoms of schizophrenia started to manifest afterwards.

    Exposure to violence during brain development (infancy to young twenties) damages the brain, or rather causes it to respond and develop in ways it would not have had the violence beeen active.

    I'm talking about the pruning of connections. Interesting topic, BTW.

    Do negroes experience more violence than whites?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Rob

    My non-expert opinion is that blacks experience a lot more violence. There are exceptions, of course, but even government AA drone unwed mothers who are ‘middle class’ in that they have a degree and a FT salaried job tend to be very violent to their kids.

    The kids’ fathers are marginally involved in their lives. Mom’s boyfriend is often a poor parental figure, and does not care much about his own kids, so today’s gf’s kids? He does not have their interests at heart.

    In the mothers’ defense, have you seen the antics little black boys get up to? Every so often, a video of a black mother grooming her daughter’s hair into beads or whatever, goes viral. The mom’s scream, hit them with brushes, say awful things, and apply a lot of force brushing.

    From the outside, black parenting looks like child abuse. But blacks have different transfer functions than whites. The same input into a white and black kid result in drastically different output from the kid. The upper middle class style of reasoning with the kid and explaining things just will not work with black kids.

    Black boys are several times more likely to come to blows with each other than white boys are, but the difference in behavior between white girls and black girls is literally unbelievable. As in, I encourage people on this thread to share your craziest black girl chimp-out meltdown that you saw in school. See if you’d believe it if the story started, ‘this white girl, Jordan, she…’ I do not think it could be a mere cultural difference, or we’d see white girls melting down, screaming, crying, throwing desks around for 20-30 minutes at least sometimes.

    Black kids are so disruptive and such bad influences on a mixed-race class, that when coupled with the fact that black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school, there should be an alternative to school that does not consist of ‘bounce up and down in your seat shouting rap lyrics while humans attempt to pass on culture to their next generation’

    We could try giving all the black kids Ritalin, but I think that would have easily foreseeable unforeseen consequences. Or reparation-repatriation and they can develop their culture without the daily oppression of being forced to act like white people.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Rob


    black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school
     
    A few decades ago, I read (perhaps in The Bell Curve) that they were close to even with whites on tests until about the 4th grade, then Most Chile Left Behind.
    , @Ragno
    @Rob

    Seriously: it's 2021, and only the wokest, wealthiest, most AFFH-proof tenured-radical Jewish-Americans (and the white children foolishly entrusted to their care) are in a position to care about 'root causes' .

    The rest of us have to navigate our way through a 'free society' in which these sociopathic ticking time-bombs - the runamuck products of said 'root causes' - are let loose among us to do as they wilt.

    That's "dilemna" enough to keep any society busy, without being further stress-tested by the inescapable (however loudly it's denied) further consideration that the people in paragraph 1 are heartily rooting for as many of those time bombs as possible to detonate amongst the hoi polloi populating paragraph 2. And not just for the matchless entertainment it would provide; such detonations would provide the politicians and their pet courts with useful limits and exemptions for the Biden/Obama plot to convert the once-greatest nation on Earth into a superstate largely comprised of grim, gray housing projects, intermittently interrupted by the verdant gardens, classic architecture and statuary, and highly-lethal high-voltage security fences behind which our ruling classes will luxuriate.

    (By that point, the charade of Woke Politics will be largely unnecessary; a memento of days gone by - deadlier than the hula hoop and every bit as foolish.)

    Replies: @Yngvar

  226. In the mothers’ defense, have you seen the antics little black boys get up to?

    I have as many anecdotes as you, but let’s think about the negro mama smacking little Laquarius upside the head at age five. Do you think it begins at age 5 or are negro mamas and papas/bf likely to begin smacking little Laquarius before he’s completely out of the womb? (Unfortunately I just had an image of Jakiisha leaning over and smacking little Laquarius as he squirms between her massive thighs. You’re welcome.)

    Violence changes the brain development and violence beginning at a very young age is going to impact brain development to a greater extent than if it begins at age six or eight or whenever these beautiful black babies reach puberty.

    • Agree: Rob
  227. @Lurker
    @anon

    Yes. Yes they did.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/104/0e9.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    It’s just hard for them to hit their targets, especially without hitting other things at the same time.

    Awww…just one more and they could have a barbershop quartet 💈

  228. @Rob
    @James Speaks

    My non-expert opinion is that blacks experience a lot more violence. There are exceptions, of course, but even government AA drone unwed mothers who are ‘middle class’ in that they have a degree and a FT salaried job tend to be very violent to their kids.

    The kids’ fathers are marginally involved in their lives. Mom’s boyfriend is often a poor parental figure, and does not care much about his own kids, so today’s gf’s kids? He does not have their interests at heart.

    In the mothers’ defense, have you seen the antics little black boys get up to? Every so often, a video of a black mother grooming her daughter’s hair into beads or whatever, goes viral. The mom’s scream, hit them with brushes, say awful things, and apply a lot of force brushing.

    From the outside, black parenting looks like child abuse. But blacks have different transfer functions than whites. The same input into a white and black kid result in drastically different output from the kid. The upper middle class style of reasoning with the kid and explaining things just will not work with black kids.

    Black boys are several times more likely to come to blows with each other than white boys are, but the difference in behavior between white girls and black girls is literally unbelievable. As in, I encourage people on this thread to share your craziest black girl chimp-out meltdown that you saw in school. See if you’d believe it if the story started, ‘this white girl, Jordan, she…’ I do not think it could be a mere cultural difference, or we’d see white girls melting down, screaming, crying, throwing desks around for 20-30 minutes at least sometimes.

    Black kids are so disruptive and such bad influences on a mixed-race class, that when coupled with the fact that black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school, there should be an alternative to school that does not consist of ‘bounce up and down in your seat shouting rap lyrics while humans attempt to pass on culture to their next generation’

    We could try giving all the black kids Ritalin, but I think that would have easily foreseeable unforeseen consequences. Or reparation-repatriation and they can develop their culture without the daily oppression of being forced to act like white people.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ragno

    black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school

    A few decades ago, I read (perhaps in The Bell Curve) that they were close to even with whites on tests until about the 4th grade, then Most Chile Left Behind.

  229. But did psychosis go down in Detroit as it became virtually all black?

    The non-psychotics left. In absolute numbers, psychosis likely went down, but increased its percentage in the population.

    Also, a white man burning down houses on Devil’s Night is almost certainly insane. But a black man? He’s just having fun.

    And who was ever a more dispassionate, neutral, apolitical, scientifically objective theorist than Frantz Fanon?

    Fanon went from (black) French to Arab. He is buried in Algeria, under the name Ibrahim. His wife was a French Gypsy who eventually committed suicide.

    Going from Arab to French (Canadian) was the Rassy/Rossy family, who came from Lebanon to Montreal in the early 20th century. The patriarch, Salim, opened Canada’s first dollar store in 1910. This is not that impressive when you consider that North America was teeming with five-and-ten-cent stores at the time.

    But it was prescient. The Rossys today own Dollarama, Canada’s answer to our Family Dollar General Tree. A 1910 Canadian dollar would buy $24 today. Our dollar store chains date to the mid-1950s. That dollar would buy $10 today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember that back in the day (NY in the '80s) they had "88 cent stores" instead of Dollar stores. Still this would not account for inflation.

    However, Chinese manufacturing really revolutionized what you could sell for $1 retail - if it wasn't for China, there would be hardly anything to sell in a $1 store today. Although sometimes when I pick up an older gadget in my kitchen (bottle opener, spatula, egg slicer, etc.) I see that it is stamped "Made in Taiwan" or even "Made in Japan". OTOH, I'm beginning to see stuff from Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. who are replacing China as low cost manufacturers - there's a natural progression as manufacturers move up the scale in sophistication (and domestic labor costs).

    The REALLY old stuff is made in USA but that stuff is so old that it's usually pre-zip code (mid 1960s) - the address of the manufacturer will be printed as something like "Chicago 46". Of course that stuff was built much better, which is why it still works after 50+ years. I doubt much of the Chinese dollar store stuff will be in service 50 years from now. Sometimes it doesn't even last past the first use.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

  230. Vivid is one of the largest companies in the porn industry.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    ... this one went over my head.

  231. @Paperback Writer
    Schizophrenia, like pretty much everything else in the DSM, is a garbage diagnosis.

    Tell me something. 40 years ago, if a guy insisted to a doctor that he was a woman, he'd have been DX'd schizophrenic, right?

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer, @Jack D, @Triteleia Laxa, @SunBakedSuburb, @J.Ross, @Ed

    They’re currently declared mentally ill and diagnosed with gender dysphoria. However that will be changing when the updated international coding system comes into affect next year.

  232. @J.Ross
    Video under more tag.
    Phase One -- Acceptance -- accept that you have been arrested and comply with all orders.
    Phase Two -- Negotiation -- ensure the officer knows about any recent cases of somebody hurting your feelings.
    Phase Three -- Appeal To Kink -- while handcuffed, attempt to bite the arresting officer. It's a crapshoot, but if he enjoys it, you're good.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuvdhrjQMv0

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Reality isn’t just different from mass-media propaganda. It’s exactly the opposite of mass-media propaganda.

    How in God’s name can cops deal with these creatures? Why should they have to? Why should anyone have to?

  233. Researchers cannot agree on whether the incidence of schizophrenia has decreased with time.

    The reasons for any racial discrepancies would be equally disputed – if criticising the “white racism” explanation were not a career-limiting move. Psychiatrists know all about cannabis-induced psychosis, but anybody who compared the incidence of schizophrenia by race while controlling for drug use would soon be looking for a different career.

  234. @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Perhaps you would start to label things, so as to ignore parts of the information coming at you. Labels actually reduce the truth and our experience, while allowing us to deal with experience without getting overwhelmed and losing focus.
     
    Do you have a citation for this?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ben tillman

    This observation will be repeated throughout the literature on LSD.

  235. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Virtually every human trait, including schizophrenia, is polygenic, meaning that it is caused by thousands of genes each responsible for less, usually much less, than 1 percent of the condition. What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve. The DSM in the past defined things like schizophrenia in a way that effectively decides where on the bell curve is the cut-off point, above which people have diagnosable schizophrenia. But there is a guy just left of that point, and billions of people some distance left of that point. Now the DSM uses "schizophrenia spectrum disorder."

    Basically, every condition is a spectrum condition. Robert Plomin calls this "Abnormal is Normal," in the sense that all of us are schizophrenic to at least a tiny, tiny extent. Plomin comments that we don't at this point know what anti-schizophrenia is, exactly. Plomin says we do not yet know whether the opposite of a disease is good or bad, and whether falling in the middle might not be the best.

    Although everything is on a spectrum (height is obvious), there may be "cliffs" on the spectrum (that point when you have a heart attack or stroke).

    Here's Plomin in his recent book, chapter 5, "Abnormal is Normal":


    Genetic research shows that the medical model is all wrong when it comes to psychological problems. What we call disorders are merely the extremes of the same genes that work throughout the normal distribution. That is, there are no genes ‘for’ any psychological disorder. Instead, we all have many of the DNA differences that are related to disorders. The salient question is how many of these we have. The genetic spectrum runs from a few to a lot, and the more we have, the more likely we are to have problems.

    In other words, the genetic causes of what we call disorders are quantitatively, not qualitatively, different from the rest of the population. It’s a matter of more or less (quantitative), not either/or (qualitative). This might seem like an arcane academic issue but this finding is completely changing clinical psychology and psychiatry, especially as the DNA revolution comes along. It means there are no disorders – they are just the extremes of quantitative dimensions. That is what is meant by the slogan ‘Abnormal is normal’.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Another important implication of the abnormal-is-normal finding is that we cannot cure a disorder because there is no disorder. Success in treatment should be viewed quantitatively, as the degree to which a problem is alleviated.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    Just because something exists on a continuum doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist at all. We deal with line drawing problems all the time. It may be somewhat arbitrary but it is the only practical way of looking at reality. If you throw your hands up and say “it’s all on a spectrum so we can’t call anyone anything” then you can’t even get out of bed. Our society has tied itself up in knots by overthinking such issues. As a practical matter, it makes no difference if we call people crazy/not crazy vs. crazy enough to lock up/ not crazy enough to lock up – they amount to the same thing.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Which is why Thomas Szasz advocated getting rid of mental illness entirely as a diagnosis. You were either evil, or you could do what you wanted with your life. Just because you were a fuckup - so what?

    I read a long, dull, NYer article about schizophrenia once by an Indian (dot) American. There was a lot of schizophrenia in his extended Indian family. This was in India - they were quite Westernized so dealt with their problem in the usual Western way: meds. One schiz member of the family decided to take matters into his own hands and went "native" - became a sadhu. He would have been better off doing that to begin with.

  236. @Reg Cæsar

    But did psychosis go down in Detroit as it became virtually all black?
     
    The non-psychotics left. In absolute numbers, psychosis likely went down, but increased its percentage in the population.

    Also, a white man burning down houses on Devil's Night is almost certainly insane. But a black man? He's just having fun.

    And who was ever a more dispassionate, neutral, apolitical, scientifically objective theorist than Frantz Fanon?
     
    Fanon went from (black) French to Arab. He is buried in Algeria, under the name Ibrahim. His wife was a French Gypsy who eventually committed suicide.

    Going from Arab to French (Canadian) was the Rassy/Rossy family, who came from Lebanon to Montreal in the early 20th century. The patriarch, Salim, opened Canada's first dollar store in 1910. This is not that impressive when you consider that North America was teeming with five-and-ten-cent stores at the time.

    But it was prescient. The Rossys today own Dollarama, Canada's answer to our Family Dollar General Tree. A 1910 Canadian dollar would buy $24 today. Our dollar store chains date to the mid-1950s. That dollar would buy $10 today.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I remember that back in the day (NY in the ’80s) they had “88 cent stores” instead of Dollar stores. Still this would not account for inflation.

    However, Chinese manufacturing really revolutionized what you could sell for $1 retail – if it wasn’t for China, there would be hardly anything to sell in a $1 store today. Although sometimes when I pick up an older gadget in my kitchen (bottle opener, spatula, egg slicer, etc.) I see that it is stamped “Made in Taiwan” or even “Made in Japan”. OTOH, I’m beginning to see stuff from Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. who are replacing China as low cost manufacturers – there’s a natural progression as manufacturers move up the scale in sophistication (and domestic labor costs).

    The REALLY old stuff is made in USA but that stuff is so old that it’s usually pre-zip code (mid 1960s) – the address of the manufacturer will be printed as something like “Chicago 46”. Of course that stuff was built much better, which is why it still works after 50+ years. I doubt much of the Chinese dollar store stuff will be in service 50 years from now. Sometimes it doesn’t even last past the first use.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Jack D

    Vise-grips made in America indestructible. Made in China, crapola. Can-opener that was adopted by NASA for space-station mande in America - industructible.
    Now made in China and crapola. We have cabinets full of old American-made kitchen tools still going strong after 50 years.

    One exception which I highly recommend - Bee and Flower hand soap made in China. Price-wise best brand on the market.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @J.Ross

  237. @Peterike
    @Mr Mox

    “ Fifty years after we (Denmark) joined the circus, more than a third of the EU budget still goes to farm subsidies, even though agriculture contributed a measly 1.3 % to the EU’s GDP in 2020”

    F GDP. Keeping local farm production going (assuming it’s not Big Ag) is literally the only useful thing the EU has ever done. That said, the EU and the Euro should be burned to the ground and every EU bureaucrat tarred and feathered.

    Replies: @Mr Mox

    F GDP. Keeping local farm production going (assuming it’s not Big Ag) is literally the only useful thing the EU has ever done. That said, the EU and the Euro should be burned to the ground and every EU bureaucrat tarred and feathered.

    Unfortunately Big Ag is the way things are heading. The number of farms in Denmark has been reduced with two thirds since 1972, and that trend is only going to continue. Farming is an industry now – endless fields with nothing but wheat, barley and rapeseed. All of them chemical cleaned deserts without life. As a hunter I hate it, and most of the farmers I know hate it as well.

  238. @El Dato
    @Triteleia Laxa


    On a side note, genius is experiencing the most, while not allowing your consciousness to be overwhelmed. Einstein is sometimes seen as having elements of schizophrenia to him; Newton too. Can you dive into the abyss and not dissolve?
     
    The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anonymouse

    >The idea is to not let consciousness get in the way of shutting down new avenues of ideas too quickly. This is powered by an extreme ability to build analogies between relatively distant models. Consciousness is for later, when you examine with alacrity and attention to detail whatever you have put on paper.

    Well said maybe because it jibes with my writing experience.

  239. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember that back in the day (NY in the '80s) they had "88 cent stores" instead of Dollar stores. Still this would not account for inflation.

    However, Chinese manufacturing really revolutionized what you could sell for $1 retail - if it wasn't for China, there would be hardly anything to sell in a $1 store today. Although sometimes when I pick up an older gadget in my kitchen (bottle opener, spatula, egg slicer, etc.) I see that it is stamped "Made in Taiwan" or even "Made in Japan". OTOH, I'm beginning to see stuff from Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. who are replacing China as low cost manufacturers - there's a natural progression as manufacturers move up the scale in sophistication (and domestic labor costs).

    The REALLY old stuff is made in USA but that stuff is so old that it's usually pre-zip code (mid 1960s) - the address of the manufacturer will be printed as something like "Chicago 46". Of course that stuff was built much better, which is why it still works after 50+ years. I doubt much of the Chinese dollar store stuff will be in service 50 years from now. Sometimes it doesn't even last past the first use.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    Vise-grips made in America indestructible. Made in China, crapola. Can-opener that was adopted by NASA for space-station mande in America – industructible.
    Now made in China and crapola. We have cabinets full of old American-made kitchen tools still going strong after 50 years.

    One exception which I highly recommend – Bee and Flower hand soap made in China. Price-wise best brand on the market.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymouse


    One exception which I highly recommend – Bee and Flower hand soap made in China.
     
    Just steer clear of the Bat and Flower brand.
    , @Jack D
    @Anonymouse

    Made with finest quality gutter oil!

    Just kidding, it's probably a lovely product (good quality stuff exists in China, you just have to know who you are dealing with and pay for the quality that you are getting). However, going back to the dawn of the Industrial Age, there have been shenanigans concerning the labeling and processing of fats and oils (the main ingredient in soap besides lye) because they lend themselves to being reprocessed and disguised and you can make money fobbing off a low cost fat as a high cost fat, a recycled or low grade product as a virgin oil, etc. In the US, this kind of stuff (mostly) stopped when the FDA was created but China is still the wild west when it comes to this kind of fraud. In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud - it's said that the Mafia is involved.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymouse

    I bought a Chinese product which was not only well made but innovative -- I couldn't find an equivalent from a non-Chinese brand. It broke through no fault of the yellow peril. I bought a second one and it can't tell if it's on or off, but pretty much works. Kind of daoist. Even when they get things right, they have trouble with consistency.

  240. @Anonymouse
    @Jack D

    Vise-grips made in America indestructible. Made in China, crapola. Can-opener that was adopted by NASA for space-station mande in America - industructible.
    Now made in China and crapola. We have cabinets full of old American-made kitchen tools still going strong after 50 years.

    One exception which I highly recommend - Bee and Flower hand soap made in China. Price-wise best brand on the market.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    One exception which I highly recommend – Bee and Flower hand soap made in China.

    Just steer clear of the Bat and Flower brand.

    • LOL: Inquiring Mind
  241. @Torn and Frayed
    If a group of people who tend to be inferior in many, but not all, ways goes and lives amongst a group of people who tend to be superior to them, then yes, the constant strain the reality of racial differences could indeed cause mental illness. This doesn't strike me as far fetched at all. As Steve points out, this is an argument for racial and national segregation. It would be interesting to test this theory by analyzing the mental health of blacks who live in 100% black countries. This implies that there are universal standards for mental health that are not culturally dependent, which I doubt to be true.

    It would be interesting to study the mental health impact of whites who live in close proximity to blacks. Of course there may be selection bias, only a crazy-ass whitey would choose to live near and amongst blacks.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It would be interesting to test this theory by analyzing the mental health of blacks who live in 100% black countries. This implies that there are universal standards for mental health that are not culturally dependent, which I doubt to be true.

    I hate to point out the obvious (he lied) but if it is culturally normative to cannibalize Albinos for the health benefit we are way beyond mere implication.

  242. @Anonymouse
    @Jack D

    Vise-grips made in America indestructible. Made in China, crapola. Can-opener that was adopted by NASA for space-station mande in America - industructible.
    Now made in China and crapola. We have cabinets full of old American-made kitchen tools still going strong after 50 years.

    One exception which I highly recommend - Bee and Flower hand soap made in China. Price-wise best brand on the market.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    Made with finest quality gutter oil!

    Just kidding, it’s probably a lovely product (good quality stuff exists in China, you just have to know who you are dealing with and pay for the quality that you are getting). However, going back to the dawn of the Industrial Age, there have been shenanigans concerning the labeling and processing of fats and oils (the main ingredient in soap besides lye) because they lend themselves to being reprocessed and disguised and you can make money fobbing off a low cost fat as a high cost fat, a recycled or low grade product as a virgin oil, etc. In the US, this kind of stuff (mostly) stopped when the FDA was created but China is still the wild west when it comes to this kind of fraud. In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud – it’s said that the Mafia is involved.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud – it’s said that the Mafia is involved.
     
    How should one go about finding good quality olive oil?

    Replies: @Jack D

  243. If schizophrenia is about 80% hereditary, and a schizophrenic black man sires a dozen kids by several mothers, or a schizophrenic black woman gives birth to a half dozen children by several different fathers, and that type of reproductive arrangement is prevalent in most black communities, wouldn’t that explain most of the excess schizophrenia among blacks? And wouldn’t changing that breeding pattern be the best way forward?

  244. It’s becoming more and more obvious, that they are fixing to kill us.

    They’re working themselves up to it.

    The ((((Media)))) is leading it, but the blacks are easy to get worked up and it will happen sooner rather than later.

  245. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymouse

    Made with finest quality gutter oil!

    Just kidding, it's probably a lovely product (good quality stuff exists in China, you just have to know who you are dealing with and pay for the quality that you are getting). However, going back to the dawn of the Industrial Age, there have been shenanigans concerning the labeling and processing of fats and oils (the main ingredient in soap besides lye) because they lend themselves to being reprocessed and disguised and you can make money fobbing off a low cost fat as a high cost fat, a recycled or low grade product as a virgin oil, etc. In the US, this kind of stuff (mostly) stopped when the FDA was created but China is still the wild west when it comes to this kind of fraud. In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud - it's said that the Mafia is involved.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud – it’s said that the Mafia is involved.

    How should one go about finding good quality olive oil?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Buy California olive oil. It's an excellent product. Because it is planted and harvested using modern mechanized methods, the olives are pressed within hours of harvest, which is crucial to top quality. And you know that it's actually what it says it is on the label.

    The California Olive Ranch brand is good, widely available in supermarkets and relatively inexpensive but make sure that it says 100% California on the label - they also sell a line of "global" olive oils (they could not keep up with the demand for their brand using the California product only so they stuck their name on imports).

    Replies: @Anonymous

  246. On the level of your best work — almost every line cuts right to the quick of the methodological inanity on display.

  247. @Anonymouse
    @Jack D

    Vise-grips made in America indestructible. Made in China, crapola. Can-opener that was adopted by NASA for space-station mande in America - industructible.
    Now made in China and crapola. We have cabinets full of old American-made kitchen tools still going strong after 50 years.

    One exception which I highly recommend - Bee and Flower hand soap made in China. Price-wise best brand on the market.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @J.Ross

    I bought a Chinese product which was not only well made but innovative — I couldn’t find an equivalent from a non-Chinese brand. It broke through no fault of the yellow peril. I bought a second one and it can’t tell if it’s on or off, but pretty much works. Kind of daoist. Even when they get things right, they have trouble with consistency.

  248. @JohnnyWalker123
    Vivid is one of the largest companies in the porn industry.

    https://imgur.com/a/gd3YLdt

    Replies: @J.Ross

    … this one went over my head.

  249. @Jack D
    @Anon

    Just because something exists on a continuum doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all. We deal with line drawing problems all the time. It may be somewhat arbitrary but it is the only practical way of looking at reality. If you throw your hands up and say "it's all on a spectrum so we can't call anyone anything" then you can't even get out of bed. Our society has tied itself up in knots by overthinking such issues. As a practical matter, it makes no difference if we call people crazy/not crazy vs. crazy enough to lock up/ not crazy enough to lock up - they amount to the same thing.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Which is why Thomas Szasz advocated getting rid of mental illness entirely as a diagnosis. You were either evil, or you could do what you wanted with your life. Just because you were a fuckup – so what?

    I read a long, dull, NYer article about schizophrenia once by an Indian (dot) American. There was a lot of schizophrenia in his extended Indian family. This was in India – they were quite Westernized so dealt with their problem in the usual Western way: meds. One schiz member of the family decided to take matters into his own hands and went “native” – became a sadhu. He would have been better off doing that to begin with.

  250. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    On top of this a bunch of firms’–including pretty high quality industries like autos–planners simply failed the test and utterly f-ed up their supply chains.
     
    This didn't include meatpackers because fresh beef is perishable and can't be stockpiled. You should be glad that the only result was just increased beef prices and not starvation because there was enough resiliency in other parts of the supply chain that no one ever went hungry. Mass starvation in America would have gotten ugly in a hurry. You think that there is a lot of shooting in ghetto now?

    As for the auto industry, they long ago drank the KoolAid of "just in time" inventory. The Japanese invented this not out of any special economic wisdom but out of necessity - after WWII, Japanese car factories were small, suppliers were located nearby and manufacturers were poor. So they couldn't order 10,000 seats and have them sit in their warehouse until they were needed the way Ford and GM did it in America. Every morning the supplier would drop off a couple of cartfuls of seats (carburetors, tires, speedometers, radiators, etc.) and when the first cartful was empty, the factory would send the cart back down the block to their supplier's factory and pick up the next load. And for a supplier NOT to deliver the next load was unthinkable. The suppliers and the manufacturer were linked together under interlocking ownership - Toyota owned part of Nippon Denso and Denso owned Toyota stock and their mutual bank owned more of the stock of both. So there was no way a Denso sararyman could just shrug his shoulders and say " So solly, no distlibutor avairable today." Might as well kill yourself. So it all worked pretty well for them.

    In the early 80s when Americans thought that the Japanese could do no wrong, they set out to copy the Japanese auto production system lock stock and barrel (except for the part where Japanese workers put the cars together instead of the residents of Detroit and St. Louis). So "just in time" inventory was one of the things that they blindly copied (and they invented rationales such as cost saving for it). It's like the Russians who copied the B-29 right down to the bullet hole patches. If you are not sure what the real reason is for something, you're afraid to mess with it.

    To make it even worse, American car manufacturers used to have captive (wholly owned) parts suppliers. Unfortunately, these suppliers were then subject to the same union contract as the rest of the company. You also couldn't pit one supplier against the other - GM cars had Delco radios and none other. So in another brainstorm, they spun off their parts subsidiaries - Delco became Delphi, a publicly traded separate company. Delphi could open non-union factories in Mexico and GM could also get bids on radios from Asian manufacturers. So they lost control of their supply chain too.

    Then came Covid.

    Replies: @rebel yell, @Paperback Writer

    In honor of the subject, and of Italy:

  251. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Virtually every human trait, including schizophrenia, is polygenic, meaning that it is caused by thousands of genes each responsible for less, usually much less, than 1 percent of the condition. What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve. The DSM in the past defined things like schizophrenia in a way that effectively decides where on the bell curve is the cut-off point, above which people have diagnosable schizophrenia. But there is a guy just left of that point, and billions of people some distance left of that point. Now the DSM uses "schizophrenia spectrum disorder."

    Basically, every condition is a spectrum condition. Robert Plomin calls this "Abnormal is Normal," in the sense that all of us are schizophrenic to at least a tiny, tiny extent. Plomin comments that we don't at this point know what anti-schizophrenia is, exactly. Plomin says we do not yet know whether the opposite of a disease is good or bad, and whether falling in the middle might not be the best.

    Although everything is on a spectrum (height is obvious), there may be "cliffs" on the spectrum (that point when you have a heart attack or stroke).

    Here's Plomin in his recent book, chapter 5, "Abnormal is Normal":


    Genetic research shows that the medical model is all wrong when it comes to psychological problems. What we call disorders are merely the extremes of the same genes that work throughout the normal distribution. That is, there are no genes ‘for’ any psychological disorder. Instead, we all have many of the DNA differences that are related to disorders. The salient question is how many of these we have. The genetic spectrum runs from a few to a lot, and the more we have, the more likely we are to have problems.

    In other words, the genetic causes of what we call disorders are quantitatively, not qualitatively, different from the rest of the population. It’s a matter of more or less (quantitative), not either/or (qualitative). This might seem like an arcane academic issue but this finding is completely changing clinical psychology and psychiatry, especially as the DNA revolution comes along. It means there are no disorders – they are just the extremes of quantitative dimensions. That is what is meant by the slogan ‘Abnormal is normal’.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Another important implication of the abnormal-is-normal finding is that we cannot cure a disorder because there is no disorder. Success in treatment should be viewed quantitatively, as the degree to which a problem is alleviated.

    Plomin, Robert. Blueprint (The MIT Press) . The MIT Press. Kindle Edition.
     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer

    What follows from this is that, like IQ, every other trait is distributed in a bell curve.

    Not every other trait. Physical traits like hair and eye color are polygenetic but they aren’t distributed on a bell curve. But it’s an interesting thought. Why should intellect or height be distributed so when blondness isn’t?

    And it seems that outright schizophrenia tends to be more common in men, while schizoaffective disorder – I guess that’s the old name for schizophrenic spectrum – is more common in women. It may be x-linked. (Although I’ve known a few men who I think were schizoaffective. I think a lot of creative men are schizoaffective, which masks as bipolar.)

  252. Krupkeeism backfires.

  253. [MORE]

    AWFL

  254. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course. Nobody thinks it’s that dangerous to go 30 in a 25 zone, but everybody would have a problem with someone going 150. There’s no precise point where it flips (unlike the heart attack/stroke “cliff” situation), but the graph rises to “bad news” by 150, so we know it happened somewhere before then, and we know that wherever we might decide to put the border, there will always be a point 0.1 MPH slower that we think is just as dangerous. But 150 is in fact dangerous. As is 149…

  255. My personal experience is that the amount schizophernia, other mental illnesses, learning disabilities and autism in the East African community in the US is alarming.

    The immigrant parents are mostly okay, but the condition of their Amerian born children-especially boys- is truly tragic, and it is breaking their hearts. Rate is the family that is untouched by one of these conditions.

    I have told to anyone to hear that there is a genetic/health problem. I’ve written it here in this blog too.

    The studies that show that rate of schizophrenia is 5 x higher in east african communities rings painfully true to me.

    • Replies: @Merema
    @Merema

    I meant RARE is the family that is left untouched.

  256. Steve …

    … replying to …

    (These text images were originally from boards.4chan.org/pol/ )

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
  257. @Merema
    My personal experience is that the amount schizophernia, other mental illnesses, learning disabilities and autism in the East African community in the US is alarming.

    The immigrant parents are mostly okay, but the condition of their Amerian born children-especially boys- is truly tragic, and it is breaking their hearts. Rate is the family that is untouched by one of these conditions.

    I have told to anyone to hear that there is a genetic/health problem. I've written it here in this blog too.

    The studies that show that rate of schizophrenia is 5 x higher in east african communities rings painfully true to me.

    Replies: @Merema

    I meant RARE is the family that is left untouched.

  258. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    In Italy, the big money is in olive oil fraud – it’s said that the Mafia is involved.
     
    How should one go about finding good quality olive oil?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Buy California olive oil. It’s an excellent product. Because it is planted and harvested using modern mechanized methods, the olives are pressed within hours of harvest, which is crucial to top quality. And you know that it’s actually what it says it is on the label.

    The California Olive Ranch brand is good, widely available in supermarkets and relatively inexpensive but make sure that it says 100% California on the label – they also sell a line of “global” olive oils (they could not keep up with the demand for their brand using the California product only so they stuck their name on imports).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Thank you

  259. @rebel yell
    @Jack D

    Just in time ordering is also responsible for many of the out of stocks at the big retail chains like Target, even before Covid. Ordering is automated based on purchase and sales data. The data is often corrupt since many real-world un-recorded things happen to inventory, including theft, incorrect ringing up by cashiers, discrepancies in the receiving data, etc.
    Keep in mind - if the system shows inventory on hand and no sales, it will continue to not order. So out of stocks become self-perpetuating for an out of stock item with false inventory.
    And it is guaranteed that the out of stocks will be on the best sellers.
    I have shopped for these systems before and haven't found one that solves these problems.
    Management assumes that an automated system will order better than a person walking the aisle looking at the inventory. This is just not true.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Yngvar

    Walmart use robots to check what’s shelved.

  260. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Buy California olive oil. It's an excellent product. Because it is planted and harvested using modern mechanized methods, the olives are pressed within hours of harvest, which is crucial to top quality. And you know that it's actually what it says it is on the label.

    The California Olive Ranch brand is good, widely available in supermarkets and relatively inexpensive but make sure that it says 100% California on the label - they also sell a line of "global" olive oils (they could not keep up with the demand for their brand using the California product only so they stuck their name on imports).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank you

  261. @Rob
    @James Speaks

    My non-expert opinion is that blacks experience a lot more violence. There are exceptions, of course, but even government AA drone unwed mothers who are ‘middle class’ in that they have a degree and a FT salaried job tend to be very violent to their kids.

    The kids’ fathers are marginally involved in their lives. Mom’s boyfriend is often a poor parental figure, and does not care much about his own kids, so today’s gf’s kids? He does not have their interests at heart.

    In the mothers’ defense, have you seen the antics little black boys get up to? Every so often, a video of a black mother grooming her daughter’s hair into beads or whatever, goes viral. The mom’s scream, hit them with brushes, say awful things, and apply a lot of force brushing.

    From the outside, black parenting looks like child abuse. But blacks have different transfer functions than whites. The same input into a white and black kid result in drastically different output from the kid. The upper middle class style of reasoning with the kid and explaining things just will not work with black kids.

    Black boys are several times more likely to come to blows with each other than white boys are, but the difference in behavior between white girls and black girls is literally unbelievable. As in, I encourage people on this thread to share your craziest black girl chimp-out meltdown that you saw in school. See if you’d believe it if the story started, ‘this white girl, Jordan, she…’ I do not think it could be a mere cultural difference, or we’d see white girls melting down, screaming, crying, throwing desks around for 20-30 minutes at least sometimes.

    Black kids are so disruptive and such bad influences on a mixed-race class, that when coupled with the fact that black kids learn basically nothing in their first x years of school, there should be an alternative to school that does not consist of ‘bounce up and down in your seat shouting rap lyrics while humans attempt to pass on culture to their next generation’

    We could try giving all the black kids Ritalin, but I think that would have easily foreseeable unforeseen consequences. Or reparation-repatriation and they can develop their culture without the daily oppression of being forced to act like white people.

    Replies: @Ralph L, @Ragno

    Seriously: it’s 2021, and only the wokest, wealthiest, most AFFH-proof tenured-radical Jewish-Americans (and the white children foolishly entrusted to their care) are in a position to care about ‘root causes’ .

    The rest of us have to navigate our way through a ‘free society’ in which these sociopathic ticking time-bombs – the runamuck products of said ‘root causes’ – are let loose among us to do as they wilt.

    That’s “dilemna” enough to keep any society busy, without being further stress-tested by the inescapable (however loudly it’s denied) further consideration that the people in paragraph 1 are heartily rooting for as many of those time bombs as possible to detonate amongst the hoi polloi populating paragraph 2. And not just for the matchless entertainment it would provide; such detonations would provide the politicians and their pet courts with useful limits and exemptions for the Biden/Obama plot to convert the once-greatest nation on Earth into a superstate largely comprised of grim, gray housing projects, intermittently interrupted by the verdant gardens, classic architecture and statuary, and highly-lethal high-voltage security fences behind which our ruling classes will luxuriate.

    (By that point, the charade of Woke Politics will be largely unnecessary; a memento of days gone by – deadlier than the hula hoop and every bit as foolish.)

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Ragno

    Unhelpful.

    Replies: @Angharad

  262. @Ragno
    @Rob

    Seriously: it's 2021, and only the wokest, wealthiest, most AFFH-proof tenured-radical Jewish-Americans (and the white children foolishly entrusted to their care) are in a position to care about 'root causes' .

    The rest of us have to navigate our way through a 'free society' in which these sociopathic ticking time-bombs - the runamuck products of said 'root causes' - are let loose among us to do as they wilt.

    That's "dilemna" enough to keep any society busy, without being further stress-tested by the inescapable (however loudly it's denied) further consideration that the people in paragraph 1 are heartily rooting for as many of those time bombs as possible to detonate amongst the hoi polloi populating paragraph 2. And not just for the matchless entertainment it would provide; such detonations would provide the politicians and their pet courts with useful limits and exemptions for the Biden/Obama plot to convert the once-greatest nation on Earth into a superstate largely comprised of grim, gray housing projects, intermittently interrupted by the verdant gardens, classic architecture and statuary, and highly-lethal high-voltage security fences behind which our ruling classes will luxuriate.

    (By that point, the charade of Woke Politics will be largely unnecessary; a memento of days gone by - deadlier than the hula hoop and every bit as foolish.)

    Replies: @Yngvar

    Unhelpful.

    • Replies: @Angharad
    @Yngvar

    Oh? Where's the lie?

  263. Me using my psychic powers to make blacks commit crimes:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=PAhw1LUN1LE

  264. @ginger bread man
    The NY Post says the same thing that you’ve been posting about for years. Liberal women really want conservative men, despite what they might say they want. Liberal men are left confused why they don’t have a girlfriend.

    One new insight from this article is that walking “curb side” is considered old fashioned and conservative. News to me.

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/why-progressive-women-want-to-date-men-who-act-conservative/

    Why progressive women want to date men who act like conservatives

    My friend Mark, 36, is a “catch” by many New York City standards. He’s good-looking, highly educated, and a talented photographer. He’s also progressive and participates in protests and gives to left-leaning causes. And Mark is looking for love. He wants to get married and have kids.

    In a liberal city like New York, swimming with single women wishing they weren’t, one could assume Mark wouldn’t have a problem finding a mate. And while he dates and recently had a couple of short-lived relationships, Mark remains single. He’s trying to understand why.

    “I’m really open-minded and cool about gender stuff on dates, but I always feel like I’m walking on eggshells,” Mark told me. “If I pay for dinner, it signals I don’t value my date as my equal so I’m super casual about it all. If she wants to pay or split it or whatever, that’s fine with me.”

    I told Mark that, despite his best intentions, his egalitarian dating style could be the problem that’s holding him back. While some women balk at any hint of traditional male gender behavior, more lament the loss of chivalry. I’m one of them. I find it attractive when a man plans our first few dates and knowingly walks curbside when we’re together. It signals he wants to protect me from passing traffic or errant puddle splashes.

    “When I was a kid, my mom told me to always walk curbside, but I assumed my generation of women would think it’s too old-fashioned,” Mark told me. “Now, I’m really confused.”

    The female desire to feel protected and looked after is built into our DNA, says evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, a professor at the University of New Mexico and author of several books including “The Mating Mind.”

    “It’s a mismatch between what progressive women say they want and what they actually respond to,” Miller told me. “Women’s instinctive mate preferences have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years for guys who are competent, strong, good providers, good protectors and happy with a sexual division of labor,” he added. Women want “decisive men who are also compassionate and thoughtful.”
     

    Replies: @anon, @John Johnson

    “I’m really open-minded and cool about gender stuff on dates, but I always feel like I’m walking on eggshells,” Mark told me. “If I pay for dinner, it signals I don’t value my date as my equal so I’m super casual about it all. If she wants to pay or split it or whatever, that’s fine with me.”

    Good lord how can he be 36 and that clueless.

  265. @Yngvar
    @Ragno

    Unhelpful.

    Replies: @Angharad

    Oh? Where’s the lie?

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