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Rockefeller Center in mid-town Manhattan has a number of heroic giant statues, often of an allegorically progressive nature.

Rockefeller Center’s artworks couldn’t be too far left — the oil capitalist family canceled Diego Rivera’s mural of Lenin and Marx and replaced it by Jose Maria Sert’s American Progress featuring Lincoln and Emerson. But most of the themes are pro-enlightenment and anti-reaction.

For example, there’s the Progress carving above the 49th Street entrance. And the Intelligence Awakening Mankind mural.

And there’s the 18-foot tall Prometheus stealing fire from Zeus and the other reactionary gods to allow mankind to progress to civilization. Percy Bysshe Shelley’s 1818 Prometheus Unbound cemented the standing of Prometheus as the hero of radicals and progressives.

Rockefeller Center’s famous Atlas sculpture depicts the Titan, sometimes considered the founder of astronomy, who warred against the gods and was thus condemned by Zeus to hold up the sky as punishment.

Not everything at Rockefeller Center is totally anti-Zeus: the frieze over the entrance to 30 Rock by Lee Lawrie is sometimes called Zeus with a Lightning Bolt. But it’s officially known as “Wisdom,” which goes along with Rockefeller Center’s artworks’ generally pro-Enlightenment theme. And it appears to be loosely inspired by the radical poet and artist William Blake’s Urizen in which the mythological figure is projecting something more like calipers or a protractor than lightning, or perhaps calipers made of lightning.

But too few of Rockefeller Center’s artworks reflected black people’s favorite artistic subject: black people.

For example, the model for Prometheus was an Italian-American lifeguard.

Now, that gap has been rectified with black artist Sanford Bigger’s 25′ foot tall statue Oracle of what appears to be a black version of 2001’s Space Baby sitting on a throne in the manner of Phidias’ lost statue of Zeus at Olympia:

And here’s the prop used by Kubrick at the end of 2001 to depict humanity’s evolution to the next level:

From ArtNet:

Oracle is the latest in the Biggers’s “Chimera” sculpture series, which merges African masks and European figures. The seated body is inspired by the ancient Temple of Zeus, while the head is based on masks and other sculptures from various African cultures, including Luba art and the Maasai religion.

The black Space Baby’s connection to the most legendary statue of Zeus, the arch-enemy of Prometheus and Atlas, is perhaps interesting.

While the current Black Craze is flatteringly described as “egalitarian” and “liberatory,” black artists’ main objections to thrones seems to be that blacks aren’t sitting on them.

 
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  1. Malenfant says:

    LOL. The statue is a racist caricature and they’re okay with it.

  2. Dr. Doom says:

    If we send blacks into space, we may face retaliation by aliens.
    I doubt they want the Detroitization at their Space Stations.

    Wakanda is a sick joke played on dumb blacks.
    Its the Marvel Universe version of DC’s Ape City.

    Those fanboys are keeping it quiet, but the blacks are eating up an insult.

  3. The actor was Keir Dullea, returned to Earth as a higher form of life. I used to know him, and he was most definitely White.

    • Replies: @Prester John
  4. Mr Deeds says:

    That statue could be “Spanish” athlete Fatima Diame’s father. https://www.howshelooks.com/fatima-diame-spanish-track-field-athlete-sports/

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
  5. http://www.dandare.org/dan/aliens/mekon.htm

    Imagining deBlasio nervously simpering through gritted teeth how “unique” and “inspiring” that monstrosity is.

    Maybe it’s just middle age, but the world feels like it’s spinning out of control. I’m seeing stories on a weekly basis that I sincerely would have thought were an Onion article just five or six years ago.

  6. SDMatt says:

    OT: Copyright violation:

    • LOL: Redman
  7. Lot says:

    Making the United States uglier on purpose, as an ideology.

  8. Gamecock says:

    I liked Gary Lockwood better than Dullea.

    GatewayPundit story says, “The new 25 foot-tall statue unveiled in New York City’s Rockefeller Center to honor “African culture” was unveiled this week.”

    Most appropriate to put “African culture” in quotes. No idea what it means.

  9. gent says:

    These statues are “hate crime” bait.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  10. Kylie says:

    A Black oracle contemplating starting a peaceful protest. Nice.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  11. With all due respect to Mr. Sailer, you need to see the statue from the front.

    Liberals are losing their sh*t saying that the criticism on the internet of the statue are racist.

    Not conceding that there is a coherent definition of “racism” as applied today, I respond, “OK, stop giving us so many things to be racist about, and maybe we’ll stop doing racisms”.

    View post on imgur.com

  12. Mike Tre says:

    Well, they got the ugly right.

    • Agree: magila, northeast
  13. tyrone says:
    @Kylie

    He has a soft serve cone,what’s he got to complain about.

    • LOL: Kylie, Charon
    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  14. raga10 says:

    Another title that has nothing to do with actual content of the article… Yes, this is undeniably a statue of a black guy sitting on the throne, but nobody, absolutely nobody other than the author of this article makes any connection between the sculpture and Space Odyssey.

    I am definitely against recasting old characters in politically correct form, but that’s not what’s going on here. Somebody simply made a statue of a black guy, so what – are you really *that* insecure?

    • Troll: Charon, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Ben tillman
  15. Did George Lincoln Rockwell design that statue?

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @syonredux
  16. Oh, and here I thought that was the replacement statue Burn, Loot & Murder had commissioned to replace the Statue of Liberty once it was toppled into NY Harbour.

  17. @Kylie

    Frankly, Kylie, with that protruding mouth, simplistic structure, artificially smooth texture, and extended skull, it looks like nothing more than a deformed embryo, or a sufferer of Down syndrome, or a Picasso mask.

    It is, quite frankly, in-our-faces grotesque and dumb, which is why I immediately made a point to draw a contrast between it and the true Kubrick form.

  18. mc23 says:

    Hideous, no one on Easter Island is going to call and say one of their statues are missing.

    • LOL: Forbes
  19. @Lot

    Surprisingly few visible piercings in that rogues gallery; are today’s youth activists becoming a bunch of wussies?

  20. @Gamecock

    I liked Gary Lockwood better than Dullea.

    Dullea prefers the stage.

    • Replies: @Charon
  21. Thirdtwin says:

    It looks stoned. Is that a spliff, or a torch?

    • Agree: jon
  22. Excuse me, but I actually like it. It’s interesting. I’ll take it over one of those monstrosities with which Richard Sierra and Henry Moore disfigure public spaces.

  23. Lot says:

    A giant Pew survey of US Jews was just released.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2021/05/11/jewish-americans-in-2020/

    It’s a mix of good and bad news. On the good, Orthodox Jews are now 75% GOP, and the share of people who were “raised Jewish” who now identify as Christian was surprisingly high.

    92% of US Jews identify as non-hispanic white, 4% as hispanic, 1% as black.

    In my experience, mixed race latin americans with minor or dubious Jewish ancestry are eager to identify as ethnic Jews because it’s prestigious. Same for French, English, and German. Mexicans do have a pretty large amount of Sephardi blood, with white Mexicans averaging as high as 9% Sephardi by one DNA analysis, but the mixing largely happened hundreds of years ago, so under 1% of Mexicans are more than 25% Jewish.

    Regardless of definition, about 0.5% of US hispanics self identify as Jewish compared to 3.48% of non-hispanic white Americans.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  24. Gamecock says:

    “African culture.” Egyptian? Berber? Nah, sub-Saharan Africa.

    One wonders what the keepers of Rockefeller Center find desirable in sub-Saharan African culture. Slavery? Tribal warfare? Innumeracy? Illiteracy? Incest? Rape? Patriarchy?

    BWTM: They exhibit trashy stereotyping. We see the same thing in the U.S. with Indians. As if they are a singularity. When in fact there were HUNDREDS of Indian tribes that had virtually nothing in common culturally. Even if you accept that sub-Saharan Africans had “a culture,” there were MANY.

    ‘to honor “African culture”’ is trashy stereotyping. How about you honor African cultures?

    BWTM2: I rather like the statue. I just wish they wouldn’t drape it with politics. Just put it up and shut up.

  25. That statue is so warm and fuzzy, but what the wokesters really need is a statue of the Sisyphus to honor the struggle to raise the average IQ of negro Americans, to close the education gap, the undocumented shopping while mostly peacefully protesting gap, the only voting once gap, the baby mama but no daddy gap and even to get negroes to stop killing each other.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  26. @Mr Deeds

    I would have been fine with a Fatima Diame statue if they meticulously sculpted her body’s exact measurements

  27. “The Shoeshine Boy At Rest” might be a better title.

    • LOL: Hans
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  28. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    This exhibit is totally incomplete in the Current Year. We all know what needs to be moved uptown, don’t we?

    Yes. We know.

    Bookends. They’d be bookends. For each other.

  29. Rockefeller Center’s famous Atlas sculpture depicts the Titan, sometimes considered the founder of astronomy, who warred against the gods and was thus condemned by Zeus to hold up the sky as punishment.

    The Titan Atlas bearing the world is directly across from the entrance to St. Patrick’s Cathedral. Likely a defiant gesture against the God centric world view.

    • Replies: @Anon
  30. It looks very much like artifacts from Africa I’ve seen in museums. In my city, we have plenty of public “art” that is worse than that.

    If there’s one thing history teaches us, it’s that people can’t help themselves but feel compelled to fill empty spaces with ugly things, and actually pay money for it.

  31. “The connection to the most legendary statue of Zeus, the arch-enemy of Prometheus, is perhaps interesting.”

    In a Rockefeller Joint symbolism is paramount: the Big-Brained Space Baby with the torch and throne a hybrid of fire-bringer Prometheus and throne-enthusiast Zeus. The Rockefellers and the other demi-gods have in mind a civilizational change, and it involves switching out colours. Yawn. I would like a smaller version of the Big-Brained Space Baby for my backyard. Placed directly across the lawn from my Dr. Zaius statue so they can stare at each other. And in the space between them a spot where my ventriloquist dummy can take in the sun.

  32. @Lot

    “uglier on purpose, as an ideology”

    Precisely. Beauty inspires; can’t have that.

  33. syonredux says:

    But too few of Rockefeller Center’s artworks reflected black people’s favorite artistic subject: black people.

    Indeed. Boil-off all the rhetoric, and we are left with race war, Africa vs Europe:

    Biggers sees his work as as a companion of sorts to three of Rockefeller Center’s most prominent artworks: the Zeus relief sculpture at the entrance of 30 Rock, the gold Prometheus sculpture by Paul Manship overlooking the skating rink, and Lee Lawrie’s monumental Atlas on Fifth Avenue.

    “Because of all those mythological references,” Biggers said, “having this work here that has a lot of African elements to me is sort of completing the rest of the story.”

    Ya see, the problem with Rockefeller Center is that it’s just too European….

    Oracle is the latest in the Biggers’s “Chimera” sculpture series, which merges African masks and European figures. The seated body is inspired by the ancient Temple of Zeus, while the head is based on masks and other sculptures from various African cultures, including Luba art and the Maasai religion.

    What we got here is a Black Zeus….

    Throughout Rockefeller Center, “there are smaller symbols of the triangle trade and the slave trade. You see references to tobacco and cotton and sugar,” Biggers noted. “I wanted to put a piece here that.. is actually looking past that at the magnificent and powerful influence that African diasporic culture has had on New York City throughout its history.”

    Maybe we could change the name of New York to New Africa…..

    Biggers says he felt empowered to remix classical sculpture in part because our contemporary understanding of these forms is already so flawed. The classical European sculptures we know today as sparkling white marbles were once brightly painted, while African masks were originally beaded, pigmented, and adorned.

    “So you have a white-washed version of the European objects and a black-washed version of the African objects,” Biggers said.

    See, by restoring the color to Classical statues, we can prove that the ancient Greeks and Romans were Black:

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/sanford-biggers-rockefeller-center-1965681

  34. Hans says:
    @Father Coughlin

    I LOVE you Father Coughlin!!! It’s a shame that piece of shit Franklin Roosevelt shut you down.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • LOL: Clyde
  35. syonredux says:

    Biggers sees his work as as a companion of sorts to three of Rockefeller Center’s most prominent artworks: the Zeus relief sculpture at the entrance of 30 Rock, the gold Prometheus sculpture by Paul Manship overlooking the skating rink, and Lee Lawrie’s monumental Atlas on Fifth Avenue.

    So, from these

    to this

    In vain, in vain—the all-composing hour
    Resistless falls; the Muse obeys the power.
    She comes! she comes! the sable throne behold
    Of Night primeval, and of Chaos old! 630
    Before her Fancy’s gilded clouds decay,
    And all its varying rainbows die away.
    Wit shoots in vain its momentary fires,
    The meteor drops, and in a flash expires.
    As one by one, at dread Medea’s strain, 635
    The sick’ning stars fade off th’ ethereal plain;
    As Argus’ eyes, by Hermes’ wand opprest,
    Closed one by one to everlasting rest;
    Thus at her felt approach, and secret might,
    Art after Art goes out, and all is night. 640
    See skulking Truth to her old cavern fled,
    Mountains of casuistry heap’d o’er her head!
    Philosophy, that lean’d on Heaven before,
    Shrinks to her second cause, and is no more.
    Physic of Metaphysic begs defence, 645
    And Metaphysic calls for aid on Sense!
    See Mystery to Mathematics fly!
    In vain! they gaze, turn giddy, rave, and die.
    Religion, blushing, veils her sacred fires,
    And unawares Morality expires. 650

    Nor public flame, nor private, dares to shine;
    Nor human spark is left, nor glimpse divine!
    Lo! thy dread empire, Chaos! is restor’d;
    Light dies before thy uncreating word:
    Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; 655
    And universal Darkness buries all.

    The Dunciad

    • Thanks: Clyde
  36. Clyde says:

    What a farce! At a glance this statue looks like something from Easter Island minus a hair weave.

    • Agree: Gamecock
  37. inertial says:

    This is one of them Racist Objects.

    Here is a female counterpart.
    Side view.
    In 20 years they will be blaming white racism for this.

  38. Getaclue says:
    @Malenfant

    IQ Test results right there of anyone who does not get that….

  39. Getaclue says:
    @Lot

    Actually one of the goals of Communism stated in the Congressional Record in the 1960s – – they’ve about won….

  40. @Getaclue

    It’s infantile.

    That doesn’t mean I can’t find it interesting/amusing. I like African masks and sculpture, which you might also describe as infantile, or at least primitive. But even the artwork of children or unsophisticated artists can be of interest.

    I hate a lot of modern sculpture that is just nothing but ugly, twisted metal that just looks like wreckage. This is at least something.

    • Agree: byrresheim, PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Charon
  41. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Face looks like James Baldwin

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  42. Hans says:
    @Getaclue

    Yeah but think rap music or athletic “celebrations”.

  43. Clyde says:
    @inertial

    https://creativetime.org/blog/2014/06/02/jerry-saltz-kara-walker-bursts-into-three-dimensions-and-flattens-me/
    That sphinx like statue is straight out of R Crumb comics with its huge butt. Then it is topped off with Aunt Jemimah’s head. When it gets spray painted black it will be finished. This must be from “We wuz kangs”

  44. Ian Smith says:

    Unlike the Greek gods all DOING something, the Dindu Colossus just sits there pouting. Is it meant to be an Afrikan Kang trying to look regal as he has one of his concubines boiled alive for casting a dick-shrinking juju in him?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)

  45. @clifford brown

    He’s invited Max von Sydow over for a game of chess.

  46. ‘Liberatory’?

    I saw ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’ when it first came out … years later I saw ‘Close Encounters of the Third Kind’ when it first came out.

    I immediately noticed a resemblance between the ‘star child’ at the end of ‘2001’ and the the son of Melinda Dillon’s character — the child, Barry.

    Not sure if Spielberg intended it — but it was quite noticeable from the very start …

    As for the rest of this b l m drivel … great-grandma was right — ‘the hell with them’.

  47. Alfa158 says:

    One version of the Rivera mural story is that Nelson was the one who disagreed with the rest of the family about the mural, had it jack-hammered off, and the debris dropped into the East River.

    I’m no art critic but I find the black space baby statue to be somewhat derivative.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  48. @inertial

    Evidence that Sphinx and sphincter are etymologically related.

  49. syonredux says:
    @Dr. Krieger

    Did George Lincoln Rockwell design that statue?

    He would have thought that it was a tad too racist….

  50. Ralph L says:

    In the Dune novels, this is what happens if you take too much Spice Melanin.

  51. @Father Coughlin

    He doesn’t look wise,he looks drunk.
    What a monumentally ugly thing.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
  52. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I think it looks like the artist – but with exaggerated features.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Cortes
  53. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Like the statue of Martin Luther King at the MLK, Jr. Memorial in Washington, D.C, it is quite ugly. If I were black, I wouldn’t be very happy with either of these prominent statues.

    • Agree: northeast
  54. Mr. Deeds said: That statue could be “Spanish” athlete Fatima Diame’s father.

    I had to look up Fatima Diame. She does indeed look to be of 100% SubSaharan African descent, but I found her short-chinned little face rather charming and feminine, and she has a truly spectacular figure which manages to be both athletic and womanly. Give the girl some credit.

  55. jon says:
    @Malenfant

    LOL. The statue is a racist caricature and they’re okay with it.

    Maybe it’s like with the n-word, the artist is reclaiming racist caricature and defusing its power.

  56. Kylie says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “Frankly, Kylie, with that protruding mouth, simplistic structure, artificially smooth texture, and extended skull, it looks like nothing more than a deformed embryo, or a sufferer of Down syndrome, or a Picasso mask.”

    Or a typical example of “traditional” (i.e., primitive and butt-ugly) African sculpture. I took a survey course in Primitive Art in college and was subjected to images just like this for a whole semester.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @reactionry
  57. wren says:

    I was wondering if it was actually made in China, like various other event art.

    • Replies: @wren
  58. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malenfant

    Most ordinary blacks probably share this black dude’s attitude:

    I think they prefer the Soviet style African Renaissance Monument in Senegal over whatever the baby thing is supposed to be:

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  59. Mike Tre says:

    So who exactly is bringing the handguns into Chicago?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chicago-gun-network-traced-enlisted-soldiers-ford-campbell

    “One unlikely source of gun violence is three enlisted soldiers at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, who operated a gun smuggling operation into the metro area. ”

    Three patriotic soldiers? What kind of soldiers would…

    “Demarcus Adams, 21; Jarius Brunson, 22; and Brandon Miller, 22”

    oooohhhhhhhh….

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Forbes
  60. https://mobile.twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1392291269150318594

    Re: The African Culture Statue—
    Big head Don Cheadle has spindle arms but somehow manages to hold a gold paintbrush

  61. @Harry Baldwin

    Why – does its neoteny evoke a protective instinct in you?

    • LOL: HammerJack
  62. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    They tried to use nurture on Sioux Indian reservations. For many years, it was normal to take Sioux Indian children away from their parents and put them in boarding schools to try to turn them as white as possible in behavior.

    Today, the Sioux Indians have among the highest alcoholism, drug use, and domestic violence rates in the country. But they had the reputation of being an extremely violent tribe even for Indians before the whites tried to civilize them.

    There was a reason why Custer and his ilk kept trying to play whack-a-mole with the Sioux Indians. The Sioux were so warlike they made all the other American Indian tribes look like amateurs at being violent.

    In sum, nurture didn’t work. Nature won out.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  63. I wrote here the other day that it reminds me of James Baldwin. I wonder if that was intentional, or unconscious, on the sculptor’s part.

    • Replies: @Hans
  64. Hans says:
    @PiltdownMan

    pretty sure it’s a self-portrait of the “artist” as there is no more fascinating a subject and recognition is long overdue.

  65. @Malenfant

    Now that’s a statue that says “kang,” (or hydrocephalus).

  66. Mycale says:

    It looks like someone made a statue of Ken Griffey Jr. on Brain and Nerve Tonic.

  67. @Buzz Mohawk

    The March of Dimes could make the statue their new trademark in their campaign against birth defects.

  68. @raga10

    raga, Well, you must be new around here but there have been numerous articles and essays and studies in the woke press bemoaning the fact that colleges and universities study and teach European art and what used to be called the classics. The cultural heritage of Whites is being shit canned because anything White is now considered racist. The nyt even went so far as to say ‘whites don’t have a shared culture’ and that is why their style book uses a lower case ‘w.’ The statue is whatever the artist says it is, but others can and will have an opinion. Defensive is a better word than insecure, but we’re good.

    • Replies: @raga10
  69. I am tech challenged but someone can find and post a picture of the bust, actually just his head, of MLK that is the centerpiece in Buffalo’s MLK Park. You really need to see that.

  70. @Redneck farmer

    Since this statue reminded Steve of 2001: A Space Odyssey, a few cinematic-related thoughts:

    1. Do you recall what happened the last time someone said, “get your shine box”?

    2. “Don’t call me boy.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  71. Altai says:

    OT:
    With covid ending much other events and intrigue and Trump being out of office, there is no effective distraction to get away with not covering Israel right now and the Twitter bots have failed to stop #IsraeliTerrorism from trending. (Though, incredibly, #Trump is still beating that hashtag 3:1, that may be natural background #Trump rather than purely a response to his predictable pro-Israel rhetoric because #IsraeliTerrorism is at the top right now, at least I really hope not.)

    We’re finally about to see how Twitter treats an intifada, we’re about to see if Bari Weiss et al were right and ceding control of narrative building, at least partly to Twitter, will mean the end of Israel. Things are about to get very awkward now.

    Still waiting on #DefundTheIDF to make an appearance. But it looks like they lucked out on when Trump left office because otherwise he’d be on TV loudly defending Israel’s actions no matter what, TikTok would be nothing but videos of Trump’s words next to images of smoke over the temple mount and Israeli soldiers attacking the Al-Aqsa mosque.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Charon
  72. @Harry Baldwin

    Harry, good comment and art is often meant to foster discussion, and in this case you are wrong. Just kidding, stay safe.

    • LOL: David
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  73. Dan Hayes says:
    @Alfa158

    The builder given the responsibility of having the Rivera mural removed was Webster Todd, the father of New Jersey Governor Christine Todd Whitman. Rumor had it that Webster personally sledge hammered it.

  74. For example, the model for Prometheus was an Italian-American lifeguard.

    The Rockefellers tried to get foreign countries to buy or build space at RockCenter. They successfully convinced Britain, France, and Fascist Italy to build a building there, and were trying to get Nazi Germany to do so likewise. Imagine having a limestone building covered with Swastikas. The French building is pretty with gold leaf.

    The statue of Atlas holding up the world is in front of the building built by/for Italy. The sculptor was Italian, and he used as a model the face of the man who supported the Italian building at Rockefeller Center. Yes, holding up the sky is Il Duce, Mussolini, or at least his face on Atlas.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  75. syonredux says:

    Kubrick gave us the Ascent of Man, from weapon-wielding hominid

    to the next stage in human evolution, the Star-Child:

    And now we are getting this…..parody? inversion? satire?

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  76. Prometheus? Atlas? Let’s ask everyone’s favorite Persian supremacist:

    https://counter-currents.com/2016/09/jason-jorjanis-prometheus-and-atlas/

  77. Daniel H says:

    OT: New rules. Going forward we must be OPPOSED to religious “liberty”. Cucks are suckers for religion.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/05/11/robbinsville-baps-hindu-temple-lawsuit-manual-labor-human-trafficking/

  78. @Anon

    “The Sioux were so warlike they made all the other American Indian tribes look like amateurs at being violent.”

    The Comanche would like a word with you out in the alley.

    • Agree: sayless, JMcG
    • LOL: Ian Smith
  79. res says:
    @Buffalo Joe


    Title of The Buffalo News article that came from:
    Bust in MLK Park: It’s not supposed to look like Martin Luther King Jr.

    P.S. Darn, The Last Real Calvinist beat me to it.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  80. zoos says:
    @Malenfant

    LOL. The statue is a racist caricature and they’re okay with it.

    I was going to say, if the Ku Klux Klan commissioned one of their artists to create a satiric statue “celebrating” African Americans, this is exactly what they would have come up with.

    • LOL: El Dato, indocon
  81. @Kylie

    I took a survey course in Primitive Art in college and was subjected to images just like this for a whole semester.

    Yes, I too enjoyed art history classes, which is where I got my inspiration for my previous comment.

    The story was that Pablo was looking for something, anything, to distinguish himself, and by golly he found it at an exhibition of African art. The rest, as they say, is history — except that it is a bad, ugly joke.

    Picasso was a very talented artist, but much of what he produced was, frankly, crap.

    BTW the real inventor of cubism was Georges Braque, Pablo’s roommate. I know this because, again, I really studied harder than, and was at least a standard deviation above, most art history fucks.

  82. Dan Hayes says:
    @syonredux

    The Zeus relief bears an uncanny George Bernard Shaw resemblance, at least to me.

  83. @gent

    They’re not. Hate crime designation depends on the identity of the victim. Corporations or governments don’t have any relevant personal identities.

  84. @raga10

    Sitting on the throne? What are you talking about? That doesn’t look like a toilet to me.

    • LOL: raga10
  85. tyrone says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Are you in the market for a garden gnome?

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  86. El Dato says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    That would justify murder

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  87. zoos says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “The Sioux were so warlike they made all the other American Indian tribes look like amateurs at being violent.”

    The Comanche would like a word with you out in the alley.

    Reminds me of the major problem of historic revisionists who believe we should “give land back to the Indians.”

    Which Indians?

    If we “stole” the land of the Sioux, who acquired it by exterminating thousands of members of the Pawnee tribe, who, fifty years earlier acquired it by wiping another tribe off the face of the map, so that we don’t even know their name… WHO the sam fuck do we return the land to? All the above mentioned tribes would NOT agree on any one choice. Divided equally as possible, and left to their own devices, they’d be killing each other all over again.

    I guess in the far left mindset, that would be okay, since it would be a “holistic” prolonged slaughter by tribes who organically despised each other.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  88. Neuday says:
    @Father Coughlin

    In 1976, politician Earl Butz was asked by the right wing Republican entertainer Pat Boone why the party of Lincoln wasn’t able to attract more blacks. Butz, the then US Secretary of Agriculture said “I’ll tell you what the Coloreds want out of life. It’s three things: first, a tight pussy; second, loose shoes; and third, a warm place to shit.”

    That statute is wearing sandals, holding a torch while sitting on a throne. Two outta three ain’t bad.

  89. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    A few years ago ago the Palestinians decided to bumrush the Israeli border like their Syrian cousins had done in Europe. Israeli border guards shot thousands of them. There was total silence in the media over this. (I recall the ‘news’ at the time was all about that Till boy.)

  90. Charon says:
    @Father Coughlin

    I like it. It neatly captures the particular mix of resentful arrogance and abject stupidity that characterizes the contemporary negro.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Thanks: Father Coughlin
  91. Charon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You guys are gay. You know that, right?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  92. It dawns on me: Steve just went to great lengths to describe all the art history of Rockefeller Center — but no one cares!

    Seriously, nobody will ever notice or give a damn about the shit Steve just wrote about.

    Hell, the only thing I ever did there was go ice skating and get coffee inside. Nobody, and I mean nobody cares about the art history of the symbolism there. Nobody.

    There is that nice-looking, kind of funny gold guy with a sash or scarf or whatever streaming around him. Okay, that’s a sculpture, and we understand that. Beyond that? Nothing. Sorry. Just keep the ice frozen and the coffee coming.

    This of course leads into the much, much bigger topic of how ideas and arguments and “public intellectuals,” LOL, L-fucking- O- L. create thoughts for the general public to mimic.

    And just who are those “general public” that YOU, oh so smart “public intellectuals” are supposed to suggest thoughts and concepts for? Huh? It’s nasty cusses like me, that’s who, and we have no reason whatsoever to listen to you.

    Bottom line: Whatever sculpture anybody puts at 30 Rock does not matter one whit. Not at all. Only “intellectuals” like you seem to think it does. It doesn’t. It is a joke.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  93. northeast says:

    Dindu Nuffin on his throne.

  94. Charon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    So it’s repasentational. BFD.

  95. @Kylie

    I never took a course in “Primitive Art,” but several decades ago was given several small (probably sub tourist grade) “African” pieces (now mostly in bits and pieces strewn in a cluttered garage and laundry room), some of which have enormous foreheads and Andy Gump chins.
    In Too Live and Die in L.A. the character “Eric Masters” was a currency counterfeiter. Some of his handiwork seemed destined to trickle down to the level of a George Floyd. E.M. was not only an artist (producing some large paintings), but also showed himself to be an art critic when he correctly identified a figurine as “18th Century Cameroon” and passed judgement on the taste of its owner. Sanford *igger should be told where to shove his enormous monstrosity.

  96. @Charon

    Oh absolutely, “Charon” LOL ! I got the strong whiff of “gay,” even though I knew both him and his wife. He was a true gentleman, unlike you, whatever the fuck you are.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  97. Ugliest and stupidest statue I have ever seen.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  98. He represents all the brilliant black scientists and inventors that will emerge once we get rid of systemic racism, implicit bias and stereotype threat.

    But seriously, a statue honoring African culture belongs somewhere in Africa, not in Rockefeller Center.

  99. El Dato says:

    It has less to do with Space Baby from 2001 than with a Guild Navigator.

    Picture: Anthony Blinken at his latest meeting with Zelensky and about to leave.

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  100. @tyrone

    Tar Baby Goes to Carvel’s

    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @Clyde
  101. @Lot

    I’d assume most of the Hispanic Jews are Cuban. Lots of Cuban Jews in South Florida.

  102. Charon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Oh relax sister. I was just teasing, since you two were arguing about which was your very favorite. Besides, I think that Keir was totally delish.

  103. raga10 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yeah, I get all that. but the fact remains there is nothing to get upset about here. The only reason I started reading was the clickbait title because as I said, I am against re-casting characters in politically-correct form – Ghostbusters were not women, damn it!

    But if a black dude just wants to make a statue of another black dude, then seriously – what are you upset about? This is in no way shit-canning White heritage; it’s just his own expression, to which he has every right.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
  104. @reactionry

    It’s an interesting movie. The Secret Service paid a visit to the director after it came out.

  105. SND says:

    So, James Baldwin as a child was kangz. Seems like a pretty concise statement of our post-BLM cultural studies zeitgeist.

  106. Clyde says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Tar Baby Goes to Carvel’s

    Accurate! Carvel’s ice cream are still around. When still a yoof I ate their flying saucers with chocolate ice cream in them. Sometimes vanilla. I should have eaten the strawberry ones more often.

  107. Apparently on Easter Island, they devoted all of their economic output to the statuary industry, but it didn’t bring them a whole load of good luck in the end. Here we see a pre-owned statue lot with a nice selection of figures that could be adapted to numerous uses in public or private ambiences.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  108. Cortes says:
    @Anonymous

    It should be called “Huggy Bear”.

  109. @Dan Hayes

    When I was a kid, I was very proud of this stamp in my collection, which the neighbor lady gave me. She’d pass on any interesting stamps that were on mail that arrived for her boss.

  110. syonredux says:
    @zoos

    Reminds me of the major problem of historic revisionists who believe we should “give land back to the Indians.”

    Which Indians?

    Indeed:

    Sitting Bull : You must take them out of our lands.

    Col. Nelson Miles : What precisely are your lands?

    Sitting Bull : These are the where my people lived before you whites first came.

    Col. Nelson Miles : I don’t understand. We whites were not your first enemies. Why don’t you demand back the land in Minnesota where the Chippewa and others forced you from years before?

    Sitting Bull : The Black Hills are a sacred given to my people by Wakan Tanka.

    Col. Nelson Miles : How very convenient to cloak your claims in spiritualism. And what would you say to the Mormons and others who believe that their God has given to them Indian lands in the West?

    Sitting Bull : I would say they should listen to Wakan Tanka.

    Col. Nelson Miles : No matter what your legends say, you didn’t sprout from the plains like the spring grasses. And you didn’t coalesce out of the ether. You came out of the Minnesota woodlands armed to the teeth and set upon your fellow man. You massacred the Kiowa, the Omaha, the Ponca, the Oto and the Pawnee without mercy. And yet you claim the Black Hills as a private preserve bequeathed to you by the Great Spirit.

    Sitting Bull : And who gave us the guns and powder to kill our enemies? And who traded weapons to the Chippewa and others who drove us from our home?

    Col. Nelson Miles : Chief Sitting Bull, the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all. You were killing each other for hundreds of moons before the first white stepped foot on this continent. You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause.

    Sitting Bull : This is your story of my people!

    Col. Nelson Miles : This is the truth, not legend.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Clyde
  111. Mr. Anon says:

    Why, I think it’s high time there was a statue of Flip Wilson.

  112. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Reminds me of The Mekon.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  113. …Big-Brained Space Baby Was Actually Black

  114. @Buzz Mohawk

    Oh absolutely, “Charon” LOL… He was a true gentleman, unlike you, whatever the 🖕 you are.

    He spends a lot of time around Pluto. Still, that beats circling Uranus.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  115. MEH 0910 says:

    https://venturebrothers.fandom.com/wiki/Think_Tank

    Think Tank (real name: Dr. Nidaba) is super-villain in The Guild of Calamitous Intent who was given the rights to arch Dr. Thaddeus “Rusty” Venture after he moved to New York and inherited VenTech Tower.

    […]
    Think Tank is a parody of Marvel Comics villain MODOK and Dr. Cornel West.

    • Replies: @Vlad III
  116. @tyrone

    Are you in the market for a garden gnome?

    Never thought I’d ever see it– a reason to visit Ferris State University:

    Wear your mask. Long after the lockdown. To muffle your laughter.

    • LOL: magila
  117. @reactionry

    “Reactionary, I like your style”!

  118. @Dr. Doom

    Wakanda is a sick joke played on dumb blacks.
    Its the Marvel Universe version of DC’s Ape City.

    Those fanboys are keeping it quiet, but the blacks are eating up an insult.

    Was it all the spear-chucking that gave it away?

    • Agree: new Stalin
  119. @Dr. Doom

    Wakanda is a sick joke played on dumb blacks.

    More than you think. The real Wakanda is a pleasant park on Lake Menomin in a lily-white neighborhood just off I-94. Blackest things there are the bison. Yes, bison.

  120. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    That African Renaissance sculpture is pretty good. It has a big hint of Soviet heroic sculpture.

  121. Clyde says:
    @syonredux

    This is the white US Army actor>>>Currently starring in a Canadian TV series>>>>>>

    Youtube—
    Great scene and powerful words in reply to Sitting Bull the bullshit artist. Though a very proficient warrior to be sure. Wiki says that his tribe regarded that he had “strong medicine”. Probably mostly honorable in war too. Thanks! I just got a hold of this movie. I skipped around to preview it. Will watch it in the next few days. It looks very good.

  122. Clyde says:
    @syonredux

    Unz software!! Grrr…. That last comment to you was from moi. NOT Sirius.

  123. Charlotte says:

    The facial features bear a distinct resemblance to the Amazonian shrunken head featured here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9562509/History-Bizarre-shrunken-HEAD-used-film-prop-confirmed-real-ceremonial-tsantsa.html. Scroll down to the CT scan for the full effect.

  124. @syonredux

    Which way Western Man?

    Intelligence Awakening Mankind?

    Or Ooga Booga Baboon Baby?

    But in truth, as other commenters have hinted, the choice was already made decades ago, by Picasso and others, and we are just learning the consequences now.

    Serious question for readers:

    Can anyone foresee a way in which monstrosities such as this are removed from the public square and public consciousnesses, and Intelligence Awakens Mankind once again? A way which does not involve, as the far more authentic Oracle foresaw, the Tiber foaming with blood?

    I cannot.

  125. Gamecock says:

    Sioux is Crow and Shoshone for ‘enemy.’ They call themselves Lakota.

    The Comanches and Apaches warred for 300 years before the White Man came. Whites actually broke it up.

    The only thing that would make this more offensive to me would be a nosebone.

    But the nosebone IS African culture. So the statue to ‘honor African culture’ could only be more vile if it had MORE African culture.

  126. TTSSYF says:
    @inertial

    Yes. And to think Domino Sugar actually sponsored this grotesque thing…

  127. Gordo says:

    I kinda like it.

    Except instead of that torch it should be holding a blunt.

  128. @syonredux

    I have seen Biggers’s collosus dubbed “Cannigula” and subsequently learned that that is the name of another work of his, this one also classical in style with a large West African head and made of white marble.

  129. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @clifford brown

    Well, I was hoping some of the Rockefeller-aware people here would pick up on that..

    The black statue looks like a parody of the Statue of Liberty, with the wimpish toga and the ridiculous torch.
    The Zeus statue referenced by the artist didn’t include a torch, by the way.

    The Statue of Liberty was gifted by the masonic government of France to the masonic government of the USA.

    Rockefeller was said to be a Freemason, of the type that in one of their higher degree initiations rites, have to step on a cross (with their left foot, go figure) while calling for said cross to exit the world and the bearer of light to come forth. Freemasons of course think that man is to be made free and perfect in the light of the secret knowledge they possess.

    Anyway, gossip aside:
    1) the Progress mural depicts a black, winged Nazgul horse and a she-male bearer of light;
    2) the “intelligence awakening mankind” depicts an intense-looking angel, bearer of light;
    3) the Prometheus statue depicts an angelic Prometheus, bearing light.

    Who else is a bearer of light? Well, you can google “Lucifer + bearer of light” and see the numerous results and images that pop up. Try it in different languages.

    Talking about “intelligence awakening mankind” is just a ruse to fool the outsiders.

  130. @Gamecock

    Gary Lockwood was in an early Star Trek episode – the second episode produced and the first one with William Shatner. I guess that’s where he got his space credentials to be cast in 2001.

  131. Looks like a black kid taking a dump in an outhouse while holding a torch to light his farts. Thanks for clearing up it is an actual royal throne and not other one. Black privilege is gonna be so much fun and funding.

  132. Jiminy says:

    Oddly enough, I’ve got a couple of neighbours that look a bit like that.

  133. @Dan Hayes

    I don’t think it’s Zeus. The relief sculpture (by Lee Lawrie) is called Wisdom, and appears to be a stylized version of William Blake’s etching called The Ancient of Days, depicting Urizen (a figure in Blake’s personal mythology) wielding a compass in creating the Universe.

    The Blake illustration:

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  134. Sushipal says:

    There’s nothing quite like “black art.”

    The European Union Times (2/13/18): Obama’s Historic Presidential Portrait Features Sperm on His Forehead
    https://www.eutimes.net/2018/02/obamas-historic-presidential-portrait-features-sperm-on-his-forehead/

  135. From the Woke comes The Black Who Can’t Dance:
    Seated Mask. Blacks again blow their chance.
    From Lord Shiva his flame,
    For destruction’s his game.
    He’s a fentanyl addict in trance.

    • LOL: El Dato
  136. Righty says:

    I see the large cranium but to me the resemblance ends there. Not Steve’s best work.

  137. Forbes says:
    @Mike Tre

    Exactly my thought without having to click-through to the article.

    A couple of LA-based TV cop shows (over the past decade or two) have portrayed minority soldiers as an illicit weapons pipeline supplying their former gang affiliations–so no surprise on the story.

  138. El Dato says:
    @black sea

    No that’s John Kerry.

  139. JimB says:
    @Gamecock

    “The new 25 foot-tall statue unveiled in New York City’s Rockefeller Center to honor “African culture” was unveiled this week.”

    The statue was probably caste in China based on a 3D Autocad drawing by an Asian draftsmen made from crude sketches supplied by the artist. This tribute to African culture is equivalent to statuary clip art.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  140. George says:

    “Big-Brained Space Baby ” The goddess Athena was thought to have sprung from Zeus’ head, which might explain why the statues head needs to be so large.

    Wikipedia offers an second and more conventional birth story with Athena born of Zeus and the goddess Metis, or something like that. Which I never heard before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena

    • Replies: @Alden
  141. @anonymouseperson

    Ugliest and stupidest statue I have ever seen.

    You didn’t see this one?

    William Tucker 'Gymnast III',  1985, Western Gateway Center, John and Mary Pappajohn Sculpture Park, Des Moines, Iowa

  142. El Dato says:
    @inertial

    A gigantic Aunt Jemima Butt Sphinx.

    They could at least put it on a platform so that one could drive it around as a fun chariot in New Orleans at Mardi Gras or during a BLM parade.

  143. I was wondering if the Rock-center statue is supposed to be Yakub, but then I realized the head dome isn’t nearly big enough.

  144. @Buzz Mohawk

    “…he was most definitely White.”

    With that name what else could he be, right?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  145. @Harry Baldwin

    A giant bronze dong? That’s gotta be San Francisco.

  146. Vlad III says:
    @MEH 0910

    I was gonna say this reminded me of MODOK (Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing).

  147. Vlad III says:
    @Dr. Doom

    Ape City is from Planet of the Apes. You may be confusing it with Gorilla City, from the Flash comics. Regardless, given that Lee and Kirby were particularly sympathetic to the civil rights movement, I seriously doubt Wakanda was conceived as a Marvel parallel to Gorilla City.

  148. @James Speaks

    To continue the Sisyphean metaphor, those measures were significantly better in 1965, and even in 2005, than now. The stone has rolled back down again. Equalitarian denial, low-standards culture and leftist policies are the hill, even accounting for the weight of genetics.

  149. El Dato says:
    @Lot

    “Deadly anomalies, dangerous mutants, anarchists and bandits… None of them will stop Duty on its triumphant march towards saving the planet!”

  150. Alden says:
    @inertial

    Barely glanced at the top picture and thought it was a cat because the head rag bows look like ears. It’s really really obscene. Like a slave tied down to be raped by a long line of soldiers. Where are the feminazis? I know, getting the last standing White man in their workplace fired for looking at a critter who identifies as a woman.

  151. Alden says:
    @Anon

    The Senegal statue is beautiful. Very European, very derivative and beautiful. Hitler , Stalin and Mussolini commissioned lots of similar art and statues.

  152. Alden says:
    @George

    The story was always that Athena sprang from his brain and came out his forehead. Deep symbolism brain of Zeus goddess of wisdom

  153. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    While the current Black Craze is flatteringly described as “egalitarian” and “liberatory,”

    Looks like someone misspelled “lavatory”.

  154. Richard B says:
    @Malenfant

    The statue is a racist caricature and they’re okay with it.

    No surprise there. They never were and never will be the sharpest sticks in the multi-culti box. Just the most spoiled. That’s why, for all one’s initial sympathies with them, they always turn out to be so repellent and obnoxious.

    In any event, since the whole point of caricature is to exaggerate a well-known feature, it’s obvious that what’s caricatured in Bigger’s statue is their ugliness.

    And you know what the ancient Greeks had to say about that. Ugly face, Ugly soul.

  155. @Buzz Mohawk

    I hate it when I write stuff like that. Sorry Steve. Your words on art are interesting and worthwhile.

    There is a fine line between poking good-natured fun and just coming across as rude and ignorant. Unfortunately I am sometimes the equivalent of a giant felt pen.

  156. @Prester John

    He told me how often people mis-pronounce it, and all the variations he had heard. Pretty funny, but bad for an actor.

  157. Gamecock says:

    Did they have chairs in Africa before the white man? I’m thinking the throne is cultural appropriation.

    • Replies: @raga10
  158. @Gamecock

    “African Culture” = Crap

  159. @Steve Sailer

    Steve, and others. Read “Empire of the Summer Moon” by S.G.Gwynne for a chilling and informative narration of the frontier and the Comanches.

  160. Sanford Biggers did some sculptures that are even more evocative of the African American experience:

    Biggers is known for his “sculpture-by-gunfire,” the Times notes. For his BAM series, he reshaped wax-dipped bronze sculptures by shooting them with bullets at a firing range.

    Naturally, these are meant to represent blacks shot by the police, not by other blacks. This one was named for Michael Brown.

  161. @JimB

    I suspect you are correct. I can’t find anything on-line about the actual making of this sculpture–how and where it was made. Biggers is described as a conceptual artist, meaning he comes up with ideas that require that someone else actually realize them. Jeff Koons works this way.

    • Replies: @Alden
  162. @Lot

    Michael Woodley’s and Edward Dutton’s spiteful mutant gallery

  163. Alden says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yoko Ono was a conceptual artist. She had a whole team of electricians, metal workers working for her.

  164. Alden says:
    @reactionry

    That was a very good movie.

  165. raga10 says:
    @Gamecock

    Sorry to rain on your parade, but thrones are at least as old as ancient Egypt. Tutankhamun had a golden throne, and I’m not even saying that is the oldest one; just one that I know of.

  166. Thus began the still-young millennium’s Chocolate Baby Movement to roil the art world.

  167. The shat-choo covers two diversities: big-brained nibbas and gays seeking inspiration for a new buttplug.

  168. Thirdtwin says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “The Comanche would like a word with you out in the alley.”

    The one from the Alamo?

  169. psbindy says:

    The best chocolate baby EVER, oops, I mean EVAH, made the cover of National Lampoon. It’s hard to find these days.

  170. Gamecock says:

    raga10, the subject is sub Saharan African culture.

    • Replies: @raga10
  171. anon[347] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe I’ll get one if they start selling them as lawn ornaments.

  172. raga10 says:
    @Gamecock

    You said, “Did they have chairs in Africa before the white man?” – Egypt is in Africa.

    You also said “the throne is cultural appropriation.” – well if it is, they didn’t take it from us.

    But if you want to stick to sub-saharan region, fine. Here is a picture of King Musa, ruler of Mali Kingdom in the 14th century, sitting on his throne:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  173. @raga10

    Lots of high civilizations in Asia didn’t make much use of chairs. Here’s an exception that validates the tendency: Kipling’s Daniel Dravot in The Man Who Would Be King argues that the pagan Kafiristanis are displaced Europeans because unlike most other Central Asians, they sit on chairs.

    • Replies: @raga10
  174. OT (Partly):

    I’ve been watching the Prince show at Las Vegas in 2002 and have been struck by the truly off-kilter solos by the black instrumentalists as compared to the white tenor saxophonist’s work.

    Prince never really did much after the early 80s stuff–it all seemed like whiff and noodling. But the folks he had in his bands play off-key weirdness that makes even less sense than Prince’s meaningless compositions (after 1983).

    The rhythm is tight as is the band so it sounds impressive to the crowd, the listeners, but in solo after solo the white guy nails it, while the other soloists consistently detract.

    I am allergic to musicians noodling (e.g., Eric Clapton) so this performance seems curiously empty, but I know that fans (just like Elvis) will follow Prince anywhere. But this performance illustrates the nonsense and inconsequence of some black music considered iconic. Add everything Michael Jackson did after Thriller to that.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  175. raga10 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, and I’m sure pre-colonial Africans didn’t make much use of them either but they knew of them, at least as far as something for their rulers to sit on. Many of those African kingdoms were either Muslim or at least influenced by Islam (King Musa was Muslim too) so if they didn’t get the idea from ancient Egypt they were much more likely to import it from Middle East than from Europe.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  176. @restless94110

    My vague impression from the early 1980s is that Prince went back and forth between thinking he should play all the instruments on his studio recordings or that he should commit to building a really good band, which would involve his ego sharing the limelight somewhat with them, the way that, say, Springsteen was happy for his bandmates to become minor celebrities. Neil Young preferred to have a less talented band, Crazy Horse, that wouldn’t dare walk out on him because they’d never get as good a gig again.

    • Replies: @restless94110
  177. @raga10

    From that picture you posted, the African throne seems low enough to need the sitter to cross his legs. That’s a big cultural difference: Europeans traditionally liked a chair tall enough that they could sit with their upper and lower legs in a straight line, while most other cultures liked to cross their legs. When I was a kid, sitting cross-legged on the ground was known as Indian-style, after American Indians although I think it could have applied to Asian Indians as well. I’ve heard of Asians, when first sitting on a chair, to fold up their legs like they were sitting on a cushion on the ground.

    I imagine anthropologists have looked into different sitting styles in great detail. But, in summary, lots of advanced civilizations simply did not like tall European style chairs.

  178. @El Dato

    How about a third position: “please beam me out of here to Russia or Poland where I at least don’t have to worry about somebody killing me and claiming that because I said a word I deserved it”.

  179. Gamecock says:

    But if you want to stick to sub-saharan region, fine. Here is a picture of King Musa, ruler of Mali Kingdom in the 14th century, sitting on his throne

    What language is that on the picture (sic)? It’s Catalan. The drawing is from the Catalan Atlas of 1375. It is a European artist’s depiction. Had the Catalan artist actually ever been to Mali? Clearly the culture had been corrupted by contact with Europeans at that time.

    Did they have chairs in Africa before the white man? I’m thinking the throne is cultural appropriation.

    Your example has European (land of the white people) writing.

  180. raga10 says:

    The drawing is from the Catalan Atlas of 1375. It is a European artist’s depiction.

    Yes, of course it is; I’m not claiming this is an original African artwork, but it does come from around that time. There is no reason to think Mali was by then “corrupted” by contact with Europeans when it had a lot more obvious contact with Middle East. As I said Musa was a Muslim not a Christian; he even did a pilgrimage to Mecca but there is no record of him venturing to Europe – I rest my case.

  181. @Steve Sailer

    Agreed. I have always always felt that Prince should have stayed with and kept together The Revolution. His immense musical talent went to his head (other musicians have done the same thing).

    Neil is really someone who hasn’t done a good song since 1969 and I’ve been to 9 Bridge School Benefits, all of which feature a Neil segment.

    Hindsight is 20/20 but–really–Neil and Stephen should never have left Buffalo Springfield.

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