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My favorite Jeffrey Epstein rumor so far has been that his missing partner in crime, Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late Robert Maxwell and a prominent oceanography research philanthropist, was in hiding on a miniature submarine somewhere underwater. That would be fitting for a Bond villainess, no?

Instead, she’s holed up at the Universal City In-N-Out Burger where I once bought 40 doubles-doubles for a Scout outing at Travel Town. The New York Post reports:

Maxwell, 57, alleged madam to the multi-millionaire Epstein, was scarfing down a burger, fries and shake al fresco at an In-N-Out on Monday while reading, “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives.”

From the Amazon page for The Book of Honor:

G. Maxwell
5.0 out of 5 starsA comforting read after a personal tragedy
August 15, 2019
Format: Kindle Edition
A good friend of mine died recently under very tragic circumstances. Some of us saw it coming for quite a while but it was still a huge shock when it finally happened. I picked up this book at the advice of a friend and absolutely couldn’t put it down. I’d read it walking the dog, getting fast food, or even just lounging around the house. It helped me realized that my friend really believed in something, and that giving your life for the CIA, NSA, FBI, Mossad, or other intelligence agency is truly a higher calling and not something to mourn. A wholehearted recommendation.
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In the photo, Ghislaine Maxwell is reading the hardcover, not a Kindle Edition.

The Amazon reviewer “G. Maxwell” of Portland, Oregon has been posting reviews since 2012, typically of current novels in the fantasy, international intrigue, and ladies’ erotica genres.

I don’t see any connection between Ghislaine and Portland.

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  1. SFG says:

    On the one hand, I’m impressed at the skill of their reporters in tracking down people who don’t want to be found.

    On the other, this is news…how?

    Say what you will about New York, even their paparazzi are the best in the country.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    , @Neoconned
  2. Tom-in-VA says:

    Top men are on the case, Steve. Top men.

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
  3. The deception worked!

  4. “al fresco”?

    I’ve eaten more than a handful of the vastly overrated burgers at In-N-Out, but I never would have used the fancy phrase “al fresco” to describe the underwhelming experience – I merely ate a burger “outside”. I guess that’s just one more difference between the elites and me.

    • Replies: @ziel
    , @Lot
    , @Anne Lid
  5. It’s harder for the Deep State to kill you when you are at a public venue, with lots of people around.

    As Charley Partanna in Prizzi’s Honor said, “They could lock you in a steel room in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean, and we’d still get to you.”

    • Replies: @Bubba
  6. Marty says:

    So it looks like L.A’s vast Latino population doesn’t patronize In-N-Out? Or maybe they’re just afraid of getting skin cancer.

  7. For a super rich heiress, isn’t In-N-Out the equivalent of a submarine on the bottom of the ocean?

    On an unrelated note, how many otherwise better employed hands are poised over computer keyboards, feverishly updating Wikipedia pages that bear less resemblance to an encyclopedia than to a disposable gossip mag?

    Following Epstein’s suicide in August 2019, Maxwell was photographed at a Los Angeles In-N-Out Burger in the first photos since Epstein’s death.

    • Replies: @1661er
  8. Kronos says:

    Any bets if Epstein will make it into the new
    “Book of Honor” edition? He was an intelligence asset after all.

  9. Lot says:

    Looking good for 57. Big pimpin’, getting double cheese.

  10. JackOH says:


    I once ate dinner at a table next to Mickey Monus, architect of the Phar-Mor scandal. His sister, Susan, I think still sells real estate in Malibu. The Mick drank pink lemonade Snapple. He was talking the future of retail to admirers in between his trials.

    I’m one degree of separation from a man who saw Hitler speak in Austria. I shook Robert McNamara’s hand in the 1970s. Bone-crusher; clenched-teeth smile. He was an overseer or trustee at my grad school. I had a classmate whose step-dad defended Herr Krupp following WWII, which allowed Krupp to go back to work.

    Is there some law of nature that eventually you’ll have some connection, however slight, with people you usually know about from TV, books, and the Internet?

    • Replies: @Horzabky
    , @El Dato
  11. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    … so youre sayin youve been to the island ?

  12. J.Ross says:

    That sounds like a really really not random at all book for her to be announced to be happening to read.
    When Kevin Spacey did a video response to his abuse accusers, he happened to have in his hand a mug from a UK royal charity he had worked with.

  13. @J.Ross

    That sounds like the kind of book she’d read if she wanted to be seen.

    Which would fit with her rather unemotional expression. She doesn’t seem upset to be seen.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  14. 1661er says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Given her late father was actually broke and was stealing from pension funds, she is not much of a heiress.

    At least one victim had accused her of sex with underage girls.. In-n-Out maybe a “target rich” environment to find goyim* teen/tween girls. As Steve Sailor mentioned about his visit there with a scout troop. Maybe she was there for the girl scouts.

    *Seems like all the victims who were named public so far are goy.

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
  15. Prosa123 says:

    We can thank Maxwell for bringing the charming word procuress back into use. Madam doesn’t really mean the same thing.

    • Replies: @Paw
  16. slumber_j says:

    Brilliant discovery of that review if it is indeed hers. I note that the reviewer has a number of other reviews stretching way back. The person claims to be from Portland, OR: is that the submarine?

    Anyway, super-freaky if true.

  17. Peterike says:

    “On the one hand, I’m impressed at the skill of their reporters in tracking down people who don’t want to be found.”

    Yeah and they’re even better at NOT finding things they don’t want to find.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
    • LOL: Laurence Whelk
  18. Anyone heard from that photographer lately?

  19. istevefan says:

    Why is she walking around free? I figured from all the information that has come out there would be a warrant out for her arrest.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @David Davenport
  20. Bubba says:
    @Jeff the Donleavy Fan

    “Have another cookie my dear?”

  21. JohnnyD says:

    I also thought of the Big Lebowski too!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  22. Presumably her going in public with the book the first traditional news day after Epstein died was intentional. A signal to her and Epstein’s handlers? If she also wrote the review, today, the day that her picture was published, that’s some master level trolling.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
  23. “…was in hiding on a miniature submarine somewhere underwater.”

    Because hiding underwater is such an unusual choice for a miniature submarine dwellers.

  24. ziel says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Perhaps it’s a “The Producers” reference

  25. Lot says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    As a true elite I eat my Arby’s en plein air.

  26. @MEH 0910

    Notice there is no seasonal signage in the shops behind her, no “clearance sale” signs either. There is also no vegetation, apart from the potted kind that can’t tell anyone much about the time of year. This photo could have been taken anytime.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  27. J.Ross says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    So, with that book title, would she be suggesting that a brave intelligence operative had recently made the ultimate sacrifice to patriotism and will never be properly honored, or that some people might find themselves whacked if they don’t mind their own business?

  28. J.Ross says:
    @MEH 0910

    What is that huge silver ring on her pinky by the book?

    • Replies: @Sean
  29. SafeNow says:

    It’s not my purview, but I have been assuming that the underage girls at the island (sorta like Ghislaine in the photo) must have been uninteresting, icy, and perfunctory. I cannot grasp the mindset that rides the Lolita Express even one time; I am even further from understanding the mindset that travels, and takes risks, multiple times….they will abide the suffocating uninteresting/icy/perfunctory in order to repeat their lust.

  30. @Cagey Beast

    There are multiple shots of her online sitting at the In-and-Out Burger at 3640 Cahuenga near the Universal Studios theme park with lots of background:×398.jpg?resize=600%2C398&ssl=1

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  31. @JohnnyD

    The In-and-Out Burger mentioned in The Big Lebowski is on Lankershim about two miles north of this one.

    By the way, In-and-Out is a fine chain, but nothing amazing. It’s just normal hometown burger joint rooting, but burger eaters in L.A. have more access to the national media, so In-and-Out winds up being mentioned in The Big Lebowski and the like.

  32. Like Steve, I have probably purchased at least 40 burgers from that particular In-N-Out. But that was only because it was my kids’ favorite burger place.

    Personally, I prefer the Panda Express which is next door. But I never saw any spies or fugitives hanging out there.

    Ms. Maxwell’s “spotting” was most likely a set up, in that she tipped off a friendly paparazzo to her whereabouts in return for controlling the story and having a picture taken from her good side. My understanding is that’s how it’s usually done.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  33. Wondering if In-N-Out is an insiders reference to Epstein not staying in jail long. “It will be an in and out thing.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  34. @Couch Scientist

    Or perhaps it’s a popular hamburger chain in SoCal?

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
  35. Dan Hayes says:


    The intrepid British Daily Mail has reported Ghislaine recently being sighted in Manchester-by-the- Sea north of Boston, supposedly shacking up with her millionaire toy boy. As usual, the tabloids (both American and British) are reporting on the cutting edges of societal evolution!

  36. Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, Robert Maxwell died in 1991 in mysterious circumstances too, falling off his luxury motor yacht the Lady Ghislaine. His financial empire was imploding after he embezzled hundreds of millions from his company’s pension funds, and his sons were able to save the empire.

    I wonder how much was protected and whether Ghislaine is, nevertheless, one of the super-rich. Still, you need only a few tens of millions to swan around with the super rich of this world.

    Robert Maxwell was well liked in Israel, but viewed as a shady character and a Mossad double-agent in Britain towards the end of his life. He was a Czech Jew, born Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch.

  37. The only way these matters can be resolved is to resurrect Jeffrey Epstein from the dead. With at least a dozen messiahs in the Democrat Party, it should not be too much trouble for one of them to bring Epstein back. After all, less than a week ago he was walking around and doing just fine.

    Do you think life from non-life is difficult? Just try comedy first. And don’t complain that the Democrats know nothing of either.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  38. Cato says:

    I picked up this book at the advice of a friend and absolutely couldn’t put it down.

    Thanks for the recommendation Ghislaine. I ordered it from my local public library.

  39. @PiltdownMan

    Edit window closed…

    His sons were not able to save the empire.

    PS: During his life, Robert Maxwell was dubbed “Maximum Bob” by the UK tabloids for his ostentatious lifestyle. And, rather cruelly, after it as “Maximum Bob Bob Bob…”.

  40. Dr. X says:

    I have a theory about this Epstein thing.

    Lots of people think Bill and Hillary are behind it. No doubt Epstein got dirt on Bill and Mossad had him on a leash, but the idea that Epstein got “Vince Fostered” doesn’t make any sense.

    Bill left office in 2001. Hillary was defeated running for president in 2008 and 2016. That’s ancient history. They’re has-beens. They no longer control the Deep State. The notion that they had Epstein taken out isn’t plausible.

    Frankly, it makes more sense to think that Trump or his people had Epstein taken out. I don’t think that Epstein had any dirt on Trump, though. Trump is a pretty canny operator, especially when it comes to women. Sure, he’s a womanizer, but he’s always been careful to not let women take advantage of him. He doesn’t drink or use drugs. His ex-wives have been carefully paid off to stay out of sight and keep their mouths shut. The “pussy” videotape and the Stormy Daniels gambit were all they could get on him and both failed. If they had any real dirt on Trump they would have used it by now. They don’t.

    I think Trump took out Epstein to be able to get at the trove of dirt that Epstein surely kept on prominent Democrats for his own protection. That would explain how Epstein got re-arrested after the softball prosecution and plea deal from 2006-2007. Now the Barr DOJ has it all, a year before the 2020 election. This should surely panic the Democrats.

    An alternative hypothesis is that Bibi threw Epstein and Maxwell under the bus to help Trump in 2020. Trump is surely aware of Jewish power. Both he and his father were lifelong New York businessmen and knew damn well that they’d have been crucified if they had ever made enemies of the Jews. Yet, the Trump presidency has been paradoxical: Trump has been slavishly dedicated to Israel — but it hasn’t done him a bit of good with American Jewry, which hates his guts and is leading the impeachment charge. Maybe Trump cashed in the chit Bibi owed him for the Jerusalem embassy and Golan, and Bibi ordered a Mossad hit on Epstein now that the Clintons are out of the picture and the Epstein-Maxwell underage sex trap was no longer useful.

  41. @Steve Sailer

    So basically, no one is going to point out Arby’s is the best fast food chain in America, is what you’re saying?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  42. @Dr. X

    Bibi used the Epstein scandal to attack Ehud Barak, his main opponent in the upcoming election.

    • Replies: @IHTG
  43. Could also be a signal that she did as promised. “I have a meeting with the feds, but I won’t give them anything. I will be in and out.” She can’t reach out directly to contacts at this point, but does need to communicate with them. As pointed out, the book is a signal of course.

  44. @Steve Sailer

    In-N-Out is something amazing, from a business perspective. Their remarkable consistency creates unusual brand loyalty and is studied by other fast food chains. Famously, the average store manager salary is over 160k/year.

    • Replies: @Warnout Cokeseller
  45. @Steve Sailer

    True, but assuming she meant to be found by the press there, the name could be part of a message she was sending. She picked a chain whose name refers to a speedy encounter. To going somewhere and getting out quickly.

    • Replies: @Couch Scientist
  46. The review was plainly posted after the story came out about GM reading the book. (Such phony ironic reviews on Amazon are a well known prank. Google the one about the sugar-free gummy bear five pound bag,) The user likely changed his or her name, or is just coincidentally a Gene Maxwell with a sense of humor.

  47. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    “The only way these matters can be resolved is to resurrect Jeffrey Epstein from the dead. ”

    I’m afraid that won’t be possible. You see, while the medical examiner was out having lunch, Epstein cremated himself.

  48. Acilius says: • Website

    So earlier you, Steve, were saying that Robert Maxwell was less a James Bond villain than a Matt Helm villain- in view of Ghislaine Maxwell hanging around In-N-Out Burger and posting reviews on Amazon, perhaps we should downgrade that further. Those sound very much like the things Frau Farbissina would have done in the days after the mysterious death of Dr Evil.

  49. @Couch Scientist

    The “in and out” message could be a reference to many concepts.
    -to the last detail/thorough
    -trades of same security
    -obstacles in fox chasing that can’t be cleared in one jump

  50. Bubba says:
    @Steve Sailer

    By the way, In-and-Out is a fine chain, but nothing amazing.

    True and I find it to be a pleasant experience similar to Chick-fil-A (but only chicken). Wendy’s used to be fine, but after Dave Thomas died it’s gone way downhill.

    McD’s and Burger King have become full ghetto. The few times I was forced to go there (in this century) the heavily tattooed POC staff appeared to be recently released convicts who were hostile, surly and sneered at me (white guy), so I politely excused myself and didn’t order anything – not even a Coke for fear of some type of intentional contamination of my order.

  51. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Epstein’s been in prison before for procuring underage girls for sex for the rich and powerful. He wasn’t killed then. So why was he killed now? He got off lightly the previous time because of his connections. Something about this situation is different. It may be that a prosecutor decided to really go after Epstein’s rich and powerful clients, and was trying to turn Epstein into someone who would testify against his friends for the state.

    If a spy agency was clever enough to get into Epstein’s cell, then they were also clever enough to walk out with him alive and rescue him, if he was one of their own and they didn’t want him to testify. My thought it is that someone powerful didn’t want to go to jail on child porn changes, and this person arranged to kill him, not some spy agency. The #MeTo movement appears to have scared the daylights out of someone powerful who thinks they might actually get into trouble this time.

    • Replies: @Warnout Cokeseller
  52. Anon2020 says:

    That is some good detective work there with the Amazon book review, Steve.

    A good friend of mine died recently under very tragic circumstances. Some of us saw it coming for quite a while but it was still a huge shock when it finally happened…
    It helped me realized that my friend really believed in something, and that giving your life for the CIA, NSA, FBI, Mossad, or other intelligence agency is truly a higher calling and not something to mourn.

    Notice she didn’t say he committed suicide.

    I don’t understand why she’s not arrested yet. She obviously knows every bit as much as Epstein if not more. They’d better nab her before she gets disappeared by Mossad.

    OTOH considering what happened to Epstein, maybe she’s safer not in jail. The Feds just better keep a close tap on her so they know where she is at all times.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Anon2020
  53. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    For the Epstein movie, Steve had suggested Richard Gere as Epstein. What about Rachel Ward as Ghislaine?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  54. @Anon2020

    If this book review by “G. Maxwell” had appeared a few days before these newspapers stories, that would be very interesting. But this is dated Thursday, August 15, so it was probably written by somebody who read the story in the newspaper.

    • Replies: @Anon2020
    , @Sean
  55. Anon2020 says:

    I think Maxwell just told the whole world that Epstein worked for CIA, NSA, FBI and Mossad and was killed off for the greater good, i.e. to protect these 4 agencies’ deep dark secrets. I sincerely hope she has a tell-all recording somewhere that will get released to the public in the event of her own death under similar “tragic circumstances”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  56. Anon2020 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The other books reviewed by this same G. Maxwell seem to be right up her alley. I think it’s her.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  57. Kyle says:
    @Couch Scientist

    Hypothetically, if you were to have a sex slave, how could you not want a black girl?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Jack D
  58. @Anon2020

    Sex, Power, and International Intrigue are popular topics …

  59. @Anon2020

    Or maybe a lady in Portland just changed her moniker to “G. Maxwell”?

  60. Kyle says:

    This can’t be real! It’s too coincidental.
    It must be fake. Although the fact that she was photographed even reading the book would be suspicious if that is real. The book review is too much though. It’s got to be fake. G. Maxwell has reviews going back to a 2012 review of 50 shades of grey, disgusting. Not all of the reviews are for vile sexual literature, one of them is for a cowboy western story, and a couple of them are for private eye mysteries. One of the reviews mentions a significant other, so this is probably a husband a wife both writing the reviews. Here is a February 2014 review of a book titled karma by author “Nicki Sex.” (Lol).

    G. Maxwell
    a hot romance
    February 4, 2014
    Format: Kindle Edition
    I Always Enjoy Nikki’s Stories And This One Is A very Nice Romance as well As A Very Hot BDSM Tale. My Wife And I Get Some Very Nice Ideas From Nikki.

    I can’t find any information that states Ghislane Maxwell was ever married. It seems fake. Again, even if she was simply reading that book that’s pretty rich. But she didn’t post this amazon review. Does anyone know if it’s possible for Amazon users to change their user names? Or maybe it’s just a guy named Greg Maxwell deciding to troll the drive by media.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Anonymous
    , @Sara
  61. Kyle says:
    @Dr. X

    If anything Bebe threw Epstein under the bus to help his own re-election campaign. He’s been going after Epstein on twitter and highlighting his association with Ehund Barak. So has the New York Times.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  62. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Well she had to finish reading the book before fact checking it and then writing a carefully considered review!

    Judging by Eric Margoulis’s piece from a few weeks ago, she has a great belief in omnipotent secret services and conspiracies in relation to her father’s death, which she was convinced was murder not a suicide by a cowardly broke crook facing hard time that exposed his own nearest and dearest to criminal prosecution in his stead (Maxwell’s sons were tried because he was not around to answer for his crimes).

    Given the numerous similarities between the two absolute bastards she loved–her father and Epstein,–she likely will be convinced that he too was murdered. Conspiratorial thinking is fun, but just see what it leads to when you take it seriously.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @J.Ross
  63. @Sean

    My guess is that this book review is a prank, but if it is, it’s a nicely improvised one.

  64. 1661er says:
    @Couch Scientist

    In-N-Out is not Kosher.(They use the same cooking surface for Double-Double(dairy/meat) or Bacon as just Double Meat) So it’s customer base are by definition not Kosher and likely goyim. And always lots of younger teens/tweens hanging around. Target rich location for the likes of her.

    Does goyim only refers to certain skin color? I am thinking about the small numbers of Kaifeng Jews or Ethiopian Jews. They are not goy but lives among goyim.

  65. I don’t see any connection between Ghislaine and Portland.

    They’re both annoying?

    Portland’s hockey team in the Stanley Cup finals was the Rosebuds. A modern Welles could do Citizen Ghislaine.

    The S is silent in Ghislaine, as it is in Arkansas and Illinois, the bases of the last two Democratic presidencies. Hmmm…

    And if you Anglicize the GH, it’s then a homophone of Elaine, a character in Seinfeld.

    Ghislaine Maxwell = Ah! Willing male! Sex!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  66. …Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late Robert Maxwell and a prominent oceanography research philanthropist, was in hiding on a miniature submarine somewhere underwater.

    Good place to hide. More people have visited the Moon than the Marianas Trench. Four times as many.

    Similar astronomical counterintuitives:

    Human eyes saw Uranus before Antarctica.

    If you are sailing solo at Point Nemo in the South Pacific, your nearest fellow humans will be on the International Space Station when it passes over.

  67. @Steve Sailer

    I don’t eat fast food*, but have a huge soft spot for In-and-Out. It’s a great chain and a monument to subtle low key brand identity. They let the burgers speak for themselves and it works brilliantly. Their menu is the epitome of “Keep It Simple Stupid.” Even the “secret menu” plays to the ego of the “in the know” customer and increases brand identity. I admire what they pulled off. No gimmicks, just a vaguely So-Cal, feel good identity. The open kitchen behind the counter is the epitome of people “busting their ass”. Contrast this with the horrors you might see in many other national burger chains.

    Never been in an In-N-Out burger that was dirty or where the staff was surly. That’s really all people are looking for.

    The best burgers? Not by a long shot. Best burgers at that price point? Most certainly, yes. The fries are terrible, skip them. By not selling out to some private equity fund, In-N-Out is like an alternative history vision of America where you could have fast food burger chains with decent food, vaguely local idiosyncratic brand identity and most critically, one where you do not feel like you are entering Dante’s Fifth Circle of Hell.

    *Chick-fil-A is acceptable as are McDonalds’ hash browns.

    • Replies: @J1234
  68. Why did Epstein come back to the US in July, where he was arrested at the airport? As someone with deep connections, great legal advice, was he aware the Feds were going to nab him?

    If he did kill himself, then he knew back in July he could not handle prison. Or was he not aware in July that he was facing life behind bars? Just asking that if he knew he could not handle prison why come back if he knew he would be arrested.

  69. In the photo, Ghislaine Maxwell is reading the hardcover, not a Kindle Edition.

    In the photo she is reading The Joy of Cooking to see if the In-N-Out got it right.

  70. Svigor says:
    @Couch Scientist

    White, non-Jewish girls.

    Imagine what (((Big Media))) would do about a )))White((( billionaire who preyed exclusively on underage Jewish girls. The oy veys would echo throughout eternity.

  71. Svigor says:

    “Throw under the bus” implies betrayal, or at least, non-enmity. Epstein and Bibi were enemies, because Barak and Bibi are enemies; Epstein was on Team Barak, Trump is on Team Bibi.

  72. @PiltdownMan

    He was viewed in the UK as a shady character ALL his life, not just at the end.

    btw, what’s with the “scarfing down a burger, fries and shake”? Don’t people just eat any more, or is it something you do to someone you don’t like?

    While Mrs May picked daintily at her quinoa salad, Johnson tore greedily at his bloody steak“.

  73. Sean says:

    Golda Meir as the Statue of Liberty? No. Golda Meir is the actual, the real meaning of, the Statue of Liberty.

  74. @Couch Scientist

    Epstein didn’t like black girls, you say?

    Molesting underage girls was bad enough, but being a racist? The media will never forgive him.

    • Agree: Couch Scientist
    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @OFWHAP
  75. Of course, that couldn’t be a decoy double…

  76. @Kyle

    ” if you were to have a sex slave, how could you not want a black girl?”

    Not how they do it oop North in England.

    The leader of a sex cult who paraded his girlfriend round a town centre on a leash has been jailed for three years.

    Inspired by science fiction novels Lee Thompson, 34, launched the cult from his pebble-dashed semi-detached house in Darlington.

    His followers lead a sadomasochistic lifestyle inspired by a series of 1960s fantasy novels, Chronicles of Gor.

    In the books, written by US college professor John Norman, women are viewed as natural slaves to men.

    Heavily-tattooed Thompson, a self-styled sex master, came to the attention of police when he paraded his girlfriend round the town on a leash as she wore a dog collar and wrist cuffs.

    Businesses in the town centre were incensed by his behaviour and the local butcher’s banned him from his store.

    He was jailed for using his slaves as sexual payment for various goods and services, which seems a very dubious offence.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @J.Ross
  77. IHTG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Far from his main opponent.

  78. anonymous[220] • Disclaimer says:

    He also went up to the press with a small cheese pizza-code for child and handed it to a paparazzi.

  79. @Steve Sailer

    Okay, the wider shot has local foliage in the background and an ad in the bus shelter that could narrow down the time the photo was taken:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @CMC
  80. Anne Lid says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Once I worked for a wealthy family and the cook was another Hungarian. She announced that lunch will be chicken fricassee. I had never had anything French in my life so I was quite excited. Food arrives. It looked and tasted just like paprikash. I remarked this to the cook, who took a side glance at me and said “fricassee is paprikash”.

    • LOL: Jack D
  81. Svevlad says:

    You’d imagine someone of Ghislaines caliber would prefer a decent barbecue place, yet on the other hand I doubt Americans have that. Plus my friend tells me actual restaurants are financial suicide tier, no wonder unhealthiness is such a problem

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Jack D
  82. @Cagey Beast

    I could drive over and see if the the same Cannabis billboard is up in the background, but the last time I left home to reports on a story is when investigative journalist Michael Hastings died in a car crash in West Hollywood/Hancock Park.

    • LOL: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @MEH 0910
  83. @Dave Pinsen

    My favorite Bermudan, Lena Heady is the clear choice to play Ghislaine.

    Speaking of which, Ghis looks fantastic. She’s clearly putting in her Stairmaster time, possibly with a little chemical assistance.

    TWGH definitely would!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Dave Pinsen
  84. @Reg Cæsar

    But pronouncing her name “Jizz-lane” is much more fun!

  85. dearieme says:

    scarfing down a burger, fries and shake al fresco

    She may well be a wicked woman but I doubt that she’s so vulgar as to “scarf down”. Probably she simply ate and drank them.

  86. Horzabky says:

    I am fascinated by the theory of the “six degrees of separation”. You know, the idea that all people are six, or fewer, social connections away from each other.

    I know several people who know François Hollande or Laurent Fabius, who knew Mitterrand, who knew Philippe Pétain (Mitterrand worked for Pétain in Vichy during WWII), who shook Hitler’s hand at Montoire during WWII. So, I’m just four degrees of separation from Hitler, who died 74 years ago, and I’m just an ordinary French guy. Incidentally, François Hollande met Obama several times, therefore I’m only two degrees of separation from Obama, and possibly Trump (I don’t know if Hollande and Trump ever met in person). Since Obama met Trump, I’m three degrees of separation from Donald Trump.

    Also : I know several guys who know Sarkozy, whose wife Carla Bruni allegedly dated Trump many years ago. At the very least, she knows him. So, using a different route, I am again three degrees of separation from Trump, and I’m not even American. I guess that all Americans, even, say, a black homeless man in Detroit, are less than six degrees of separation from Trump.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  87. @Hypnotoad666

    My hunch is she’s just hanging out in Universal City waiting for Jeff to get his new face completed nearby in Beverly Hills. Maybe she was thoughtful enough to get a takeout chocolate shake for him, that he can sip through a straw while she reads him entries from the dead-CIA-guys book.

    • Replies: @Sean
  88. El Dato says:

    Yeah, just keep close to Forrest Gump.

  89. lysias says:

    “My wife and I” could mean Ghislaine and her female lover.

  90. The submarine thing reminds me of some story from awhile back where some rich German dude invited a female reporter onto his miniature sub, supposedly for an interview. He then proceeded to murder her.

  91. El Dato says:

    Add it to the HBD pile:

    Thompson had a conviction for serious sexual assault, and one for making threats to kill, for which he was sent for treatment to Rampton Secure Hospital.

    After the case Detective Constable Scott Denham said: ‘He is a self-styled sex cult leader. He is a very intimidating character with a very forceful personality. He has children all over the world.’

  92. El Dato says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Plus she has experience in all manner of things, certainly of interest.

  93. Jack D says:
    @Dr. X

    Gee, it’s almost as if “the Jews” were not a single entity – you have your right wing Bibi support type Jews and you have your leftist NYTimes reading SJW type Jews and one group of Jews supports Trump (who probably supports Israel more for the evangelical votes than for anything having to do with Jews) and the other group passionately hates his guts (and Bibi’s too).

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Johann Ricke
  94. Sean says:

    My favorite Jeffrey Epstein rumor so far has been that his missing partner in crime, Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of the late Robert Maxwell and a prominent oceanography research philanthropist, was in hiding on a miniature submarine somewhere underwater. That would be fitting for a Bond villainess, no?

    Steve Sailer: licensed to character assassinate.

    Ghislaine Maxwell’s lawyer in the civil case she settled a little while ago had to admit that he did not have her address, which annoyed the judge. She persisted with the disappearing act and that was a serious mistake.

    When– and it is when not if–she faces charges, this silly episode will be used to have her sent to jail until the trial as a flight risk. She is going to do a year in a turtle suit with no underwear and sleeping under an unbendable anti suicide sheet. Being Federal charges, which no one ever beats, and with a decade in prison held over her she will be left with no option but to plead guilty to a reduced charge.

  95. Jack D says:

    Because most black women are not attractive?

    Epstein’s “type” was blond hair, blue eyes, skinny, post pubescent but not yet long in the tooth. If you were a billionaire totally unmoored from any notion of morality, this might be your choice too. If his preference had been for the 18-23 group rather than the 13-17 crowd, not many people (certainly not the law) would have had anything to say about it. Leonardo DeCaprio’s current girlfriend according to the Daily Mail (I read it religiously – much better than the NY Times) is age 22. Some people like their bananas ripe and some like them when they are still a little green. Epstein’s bad luck was that his preference happened to be illegal.

    I don’t think he cared about their religion (contra what some here have said) – if there were any blond haired, blue eyed Jewish teens willing to whore themselves out to him, he would have taken them too, but that type is not very common among Jews. He was just looking for a certain body type.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    , @Svigor
  96. Jack D says:

    a decent barbecue place, yet on the other hand I doubt Americans have that

    Are you kidding me? Americans INVENTED barbecue (more or less). Getting real barbecue in a city is often a problem because the neighbors don’t like all the smoke and the smell and it’s hard to find the storage space for all the logs that you are going to burn. Ideally barbecue is made in a shack on the side of a rural road where the smell only serves to lure in the customers. But you can usually get a fair approximation even in a big city nowadays.

    That being said, sometimes you want some barbecue and sometimes you want a hamburger. The American hamburger has swept the planet (well except maybe for India) and for good reason. It’s perhaps not the finest possible food known to mankind but it offers a unique combination of convenience, taste, price, etc. which makes it very appealing.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  97. JackOH says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t know about Michael Hastings, but I hope one of my small contributions to this site is to highlight my belief that criminal misconduct by American elites against American dissenters is regarded as an okay part of the political repertoire. Guarantees results if done well, and avoids the messiness and uncertainty of public discourse.

    Plus, from what I’ve been told, there’s an army of ex-cons beholden to their probation officers, and that army may be tapped to work as snitches, bird dogs, and muscle.

    Stay safe, buddy.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  98. Svevlad says:
    @Jack D

    You most assuredly don’t have it in the same manner as we do. Plus, the American hamburger didn’t sweep anyone, pretty much everyone with a meat grinder figured out.

    Anyone with half a brain prefers Leskovac to McDicks

    • Replies: @Jack D
  99. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:

    The odd capitalization of the first letter of all but 3 of the words invites us to decode something … but I don’t know what

  100. @Jack D

    His preference for 16 year old girls is legal in most states. If he was fornicating with 16 year olds in Pennsylvania or New Jersey or any European nation it would be perfectly legal.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Alden
  101. OFWHAP says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Porn actor/director/producer James Deen told his shiksa colleagues they were filthy racists for refusing to be shtupped by the schvartzes on camera.

  102. J.Ross says:

    This sounds like a political conviction, and downright evil in light of what British law enforcement really thinks about consent.

  103. Alden says:

    Just my opinion about the encounter with Maxwell. Someone looked through actor and model books and found a Maxwell look alike.

    That someone sent her to a hairdresser and bought the CIA book. Then that someone sent the look alike to the In and Out restaurant. Then that someone pointed the woman out and called the media.

    Just my opinion.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  104. Three things bother me about this Epstein thing:
    1) how come the Maxwell babe hasn’t been arrested or at least questioned?
    2) how come it was just this week that the FBI “raided” Pedo island?
    3) how come no victim other than this Roberts babe has come forward, especially when it seems like there’s a lot of money to be had for being “abused”? You couldn’t beat the “victims” off with a stick after Harvey got busted.

    I agree with Jack D that Epstein killed himself because he knew he was never gonna see the light of day again, and BoP incompetence allowed it to happen, but the above makes me wonder just WTF is going on?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  105. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    Gee, it’s almost as if the Jews are far more a single entity than American Whites.

    We can find particular Caucasoid groups who may fall into the middle, but then, they don’t run Big Media, finance, academia, etc; they’re all scuzzy gold-chain-wearing nobodies like Albanians or whatever.

  106. CMC says:
    @Cagey Beast

    That guy in the background at the table on the left… Any chance that’s Jon Voight?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  107. Jack D says:
    @Prodigal son

    We’ve been over this before. Even if sexual contact with 16 year olds is legal in those states, PAYING them to do so is not.

    BTW, it seems like Epstein’s preference was mainly for “massages” that than fornication. I don’t know whether this was out of concern for unwanted pregnancies or STDs or whether he thought that would be on another level of immorality or what, but, to quote a famous US President/ friend of Epstein, he did not have “sex” with those women (girls). We can no longer ask Epstein but Bill Clinton is still around and could probably provide us with insight as to why he stopped at third base and never rounded the corner to home (at least with Monica). However, I doubt that he would tell us what he was really thinking.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Prodigal son
  108. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I expect that many more “victims” are going to come forward and try to get their hands on some of Epstein’s fortune. Instead of he said/she said, it will just be she said from now on.

  109. Jack D says:

    You most assuredly don’t have it in the same manner as we do.

    You are absolutely right about this – if you are searching for grilled goat testicle kebabs, you will search far and wide in America and not find them.

    Anyone with half a brain prefers Leskovac to McDicks

    True again. This is why you can ask for a Pljeskavica anywhere on earth and they will know exactly what you are asking for and serve it right up, properly garnished with kajmak and urnebes. Whereas if you ask for a Hamburger (how do you even pronounce that word?) with ketchup, they will stare at you blankly and then tell you to get the f’k out of their restaurant.

    • Replies: @Anon
  110. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    What you are talking about is not the character of American food products or means of preparation as such, but the global influence of the English language (and American business).

    If you are searching for grilled goat testicle kebabs, you will search far and wide in America and not find them.

    Well, you can enjoy barbecued “Rocky Mountain Oysters” if you’re into that sort of thing.

  111. Neoconned says:

    Dont think a reporter found her. Rather random dude eats at In & Out and goes “oh shit, her” and takes his video and sells it to some gossip rag.

    Can’t blame her really. LA has perfect weather. If you are about to go to prison for life(which a 20 year sentence is at her age) and/or commit suicide to avoid jail then SoCal is the perfect place to spend your last few days.

    I always eat In and Out in Austin on University Blvd.

    Double double animal style and fries animal style is perfection.

  112. And she was reading The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives.

    Wow! I’ll bet that means Epstein was CIA! Glad that was solved.

    Really, how stupid do they think we are? Answer; very.

  113. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Re: address
    Yep, her current/last address is listed only as PO Box at Teaneck, NJ

    That Amazon reviewer does sound like a lot of what you might expect from Ghislaine:

    This is a dark and sometimes painful study of twisted desire and human trafficing. Both the main characters seem to revel in the painful aspects of sex with plenty of blood shed during lovemaking. The scenes of sex slavery and the kidnapping rings are very graphic and difficult to read at times but Winter keeps you enthralled if horrified. This couple deserves some happiness after the events portrayed although you are never sure they will get it


    The characters are real and have real problems even if they are billionaires. I like the way the people dovetail together across the books and you get to see them again in new places.

    another great tale of sanibel island and south Florida … It’s Great To See Doc Ford Starting To Have A Real Relationship With A Fascinating Woman Like Hannah And Her Adventures Are Griping As Well.

    A Very Compelling Heroine Who Brings A Lot Of Trouble On Herself But Always Seems To Slip Through With Only Slight Damages.

    I Always Enjoy Nikki’s Stories And This One Is A very Nice Romance as well As A Very Hot BDSM Tale. My Wife And I Get Some Very Nice Ideas From Nikki.

    This series has been a fun read for my spouse and I … The sexual relationship is quite enjoyable however and explains the huge popularity of the novels. Mainstream porn, finally.

  114. @Jack D

    I expect that many more “victims” are going to come forward and try to get their hands on some of Epstein’s fortune.

    This is what happened with the BBC disc jockey Jimmy Savile who left an estate of a few million pounds to charity.

    After he died over four hundred people courageously came forward anonymously and claimed that they had been raped or sexually abused by Savile. If the allegations were all true, then he was Britain’s most prolific pedophile AND serial rapist.

    Perhaps he was.

    But in the 1970’s I lived less than half a mile from him and worked at a hospital across town from the hospital where he allegedly molested a number of patients and raped nurses while he was working as a volunteer, and at the time I never heard a single word of any improper behavior by him on the health care community grapevine, even though he was very much a nationally known figure at the time.

    I was in no way a fan or admirer of his at the time, and have no reason to wish to defend him, except that there has never been any proof of any of his alleged crimes in the public domain, but a lot of people have profited from them.

    It started with a women who had apparently met him when she was a teenager at a school for delinquent girls that he had visited a number of times (not a very wise move from a PR point of view), who was an unreliable witness with at least one adult conviction for fraud, in a memoir of very sensational allegations in which, if I remember rightly, she also alleged she had been sexually abused in a quite horrific way by her parents and raped from the age of 2 onwards.

    It then cascaded into a series of allegations by women who had been at the same school for delinquent girls, some of them before Savile had ever set foot in the school, and later with a torrent of allegations from men and women all over the country who claimed to have been sexually abused by Savile.

    Needless to say, his entire estate was consumed with lawyers fees and reparations to “victims”, whose stories were never tested in any judicial proceedings.

    So based on precedent, I would expect a torrent of new allegations from any delinquent who could claim to have been within half a mile of Jeffrey Epstein during his lifetime and somewhere close to the target age to jump on the compensation bandwagon, and we shall never know what was true and what was not, although I would be very interested to hear Maxwell’s version of what was really going on, if she cares to be truthful.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  115. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    They used the trafficking of minors charge on Epstein because they intended to put him away for life.

    Trafficking is used for facilitator third parties and not only covers tricking into prostitution, it was actually designed for that old trope about being promised legitimate jobs them forced into “white slavery” except the modern trafficking law was aimed at stopping the profusion of unwhite immigrant girls in prostitution. Kamala Harris had a lot to do with framing the first of those laws.

    The allegation that Maxwell recruited minors as masseuses who then were inveigled into prostituting themselves to Epstein makes her vulnerable to a trafficking on minors charge. The prosecution would have to prove

    (1) that the girls she recruited or hired were under age and she knew the girls to be underage, one of which is a matter of dispute, and the other tough to prove

    (2) she knowingly deceived them about what they were being recruited for, with intent to get them to perform sexual services for Epstein

    However they can still charge her with just trafficking for which they would only have to prove (2). I think in the end she will be faced with fighting a federal trafficking of minors charge–you cannot fight a federal charge–that will almost certainly get her life , or pleading guilty to just trafficking. She won’t be given bail, so she will have a taste of prison by then. They are not going to take any chances so they’ll find a reason to make her set a new record for time spent on suicide watch (padded cell in a paper or turtle suit without underwear or sheets).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  116. J.Ross says:

    So instead of her being an immoral and exquisitely connected businesswoman, Occam’s Razor points to love?

    • Replies: @Sean
  117. J.Ross says:

    Hastings humiliated the spec ops community and then told everyone who would listen that he would now try to do the same thing to the CIA. As long as Steve depends on better than entry-level literacy, and never directly takes on a target like the various groups of people the United States government uses to commit legal murder, he should be at least safer than Hastings.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  118. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    She looks better than Rachel Ward does now. She really looks great for 57.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  119. @Dave Pinsen

    Totally agree. Ghis looks far better at 57 than the average 30-something USonian female.

    I did forget to mention that her skin care regime and cosmetic surgeries also must be top notch.

  120. BB753 says:

    Indeed, why isn’t she arrested on the same charges as Epstein?

  121. @Jack D

    one group of Jews supports Trump (who probably supports Israel more for the evangelical votes than for anything having to do with Jews)

    My sense with Trump is that he just likes Jews. Period. That was the meaning of this crack: “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.” And that affection extends to Israel.

  122. J1234 says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I’ve heard good things about In and Out Burger. We don’t have them here, of course, but we had a holdover from the 1950’s drive-in burger era called Tastee In and Out that finally closed about 10 years ago. I only ate there once because, for me, the name “In and Out” conjures up some very unpleasant mental images of the digestive process…especially with regards to hamburgers and other greasy food.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @J.Ross
  123. @istevefan

    Ghislaine Maxwell probably knows everything and everybody the late Mr. Epstein did.

    She needs to be in protective custody in some place other than that NY City federal jail.

    • Replies: @Sean
  124. MEH 0910 says:

  125. Sara says:

    It’s super easy to change your Amazon reviewer name. So a fan of fantasy and women’s erotica from Portland might have seen the news item, decided it’d be funny to leave a review of a book mentioned, and it would only take seconds to change their handle to “G Maxwell.” It’s exceedingly unlikely that the review was actually left by Ghislaine Maxwell.

    (Maybe everyone realizes this and I’m the weird one for pointing it out, but sometimes it’s hard to gauge tone & register sarcasm on the internet!!)

  126. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I think in the end she will be faced with fighting a federal trafficking of minors charge–you cannot fight a federal charge

    Silly people, paying for those defense lawyers! I believe people with wealth do in fact beat federal beefs once in a while.

    Besides, someone with her wealth and connections could easily fly the coop to someplace where extraditing her would be tough, not impossible, but tough. Contrary to popular belief, mostly only shitholes lack extradition treaties, but many countries are funny as to what they will and won’t extradite for. Of course, the US can always threaten to cut off aid, or invade, but those can cause serious backlash and you have to ask if they want her that badly. We could invade Cuba, but Joanne Chesimard is probably fairly safe.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @SteveRogers42
  127. Sara says:

    It’s very easy to change your Amazon name. I agree that there’s no way she wrote that review.

  128. Dan Hayes says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason:

    What happened to Savile is what’s also now happening to the US Catholic Church. In both cases it’s “Thar’s Gold In Them Thar Hills, So Come And Get It”.

  129. Paw says:

    There were more “girls” to help Epstein, paid ,at hand. /Weinstein had them too, his wife did not saw anything wrong, and they all acted in his movies with no problems, for long time/..
    And may be more servants, supervisors as well. Without them , he could be hardly, what he was.. Fake media , justice ,for instance, saw no Evil, for eternity..
    As the case is in the hands of the FBI, I have no worries /seeing recent history/, some more stiffs , and things would be as before..
    History of Hollywood and its Moguls /not ever investigated of course/, is not any different..

  130. The Missoula Club has very decent burgers. Double hot pepper, 3 Pabst off the tap, peanuts, and a generous tip will slide underneath a Jackson with plenty of room to spare.

  131. I have just discovered my “orientation”. Sapiosexual.

    I’ve had these feelings since childhood, and knew they were unusual, but without a name it was difficult to discuss. Anyone else in the same boat?

    Sapiosexuals: are some people really only sexually attracted to intelligence?

  132. @Jack D

    I expect that many more “victims” are going to come forward and try to get their hands on some of Epstein’s fortune. Instead of he said/she said, it will just be she said from now on.

    Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy.

  133. @Redneck farmer

    So basically, no one is going to point out Arby’s is the best fast food chain in America, is what you’re saying?

    Not in Culver’s backyard, it isn’t. How do Arby’s cheese curds rate?

  134. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Arby’s so-called roast beef sandwiches are radically inferior to Lion’s Choice.

  135. Alden says:
    @Prodigal son

    But he fornicated with 14-16 year old prostitutes he paid in Florida and New York. In both states sex with 14-16 year olds is illegal. In Pennsylvania and New Jersey and all states prostitution is illegal.

    In Florida he pled guilty to soliciting customers for prostitutes a crime and sex with girls under 18, another crime.

    Your asinine opinions don’t matter The laws Re procuring soliciting for prostitution being a prostitute and being the customer of a prostitute are the issue. Not your personal opinions.

    If you’re so dumb you don’t understand the difference between the legal age of consent and running a major illegal prostitution operation, you’re an idiot.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  136. Given her alleged predilections, it’s no surprise ‘tall, O my droogs, if Ms. Maxwell goes for a bit o’ the old in-out….

  137. @Alden

    In eight of Nevada’s counties, prostitution via licensed whorehouses is indeed legal. Perhaps your point is that it is not categorically legal throughout the state…but, then, nor is it categorically illegal throughout the state….

  138. @Anonymous

    Defendants’ chances in federal courts are dismal; ninety-five per cent take some kind of plea deal. (Plea bargaining, by the way, should not be allowed, as it makes bullies of prosecutors and victimises innocent people. Paul Craig Roberts has long rightly explained the trouble in detail.)

    Defendant’s chances in states’ courts are little better, by the way. “Not guilty” verdicts are something of a white stag as the place descends into tyranny from above and succumbs to savagery from below: it becomes harder and harder to guess how much owes to the increasingly authoritarian government and how much to the proliferation of criminals.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sean
  139. Anonymous[733] • Disclaimer says:

    The real question is, what are the odds for people who can afford a real defense legal team? Probably 95 percent of defendants can’t. And probably 90 percent are actually dead nuts guilty in the first place.

    That leaves the other ten percent, who are railroaded shemps or actual political dissidents. Edgar Steele was a good example of the latter.

  140. @PiltdownMan

    England’s wonderful “Private Eye” magazine had a long running feud with Maxwell who they nicknamed Captain Bob. He sued them for libel so often that they set up a new throwaway company to be the publisher of every issue that mentioned him.
    They had the last word of course,
    The Issue that reported his death was headlined “Captain Bob , bob, bob”
    That stood as the best English Headline until the Sun’s
    “Scott of the Arse-antics” but that’s a story for another day.

  141. Sean says:

    1. […] Unlike state court, if a federal judge finds that there is no combination of conditions that can reasonably assure the appearance of the defendant at later court proceedings, there’s no chance for a bond. […]In many cases like this, the Assistant United States Attorney (“AUSA”) will not only file a Motion for Detention, but will threaten the defense counsel that if their client doesn’t waive the detention hearing, his client will NOT receive the “3rd point for acceptance of responsibility.” [of off his advisory guideline sentence]

    2 .Probable cause hearing is unnecessarily waived.
    This is very similar to number one above.

    9. Give up rights and get nothing in return.
    I have seen other lawyers do this and it drives me crazy. Why would you have your client sign a plea agreement wherein he/she gives up important appellate rights and receive nothing in return? If you want to plead guilty to the indictment and the AUSA isn’t offering you anything other than the indictment, then don’t sign any waivers! It’s that simple. Anyone can plead guilty without a plea agreement.

    10. Failing to get a proffer agreement from the AUSA.

    As long as you don’t lie, you are covered by what you say. The feds can’t use your own words against you later on at sentencing. You never want to get a 5k1.1 motion for downward departure due to your cooperation but unwittingly increased your own sentence through your statements not under proffer. It’s called spinning your wheels.

    Expensive is often not the best. There were gasps and even actual laughter in court.
    In Cringeworthy ‘Senior Moment,’ Epstein’s Attorney Makes Major Mistake During Hearing .

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
  142. Sean says:

    Her father loved her back, she was his favourite. It was just her brothers who were part of the father’s business and consequently tried for helping with embezzlement, after he committed suicide.

    Maxwell is a socialite and pleasant company. Epstein was a science dilettante and all around prig. No one could stand the man, and the elite only talked to him because she was around. That’s the reason he was with her. He dumped her after the case when he became was persona non grata with high society. He must have known she was going to do the time in his stead if he caught the bus.

    I think bank balance inflates the ego and insulates you from accepting anyone else’s opinion (even though he knew he had had stolen almost all of it from trusting Wexner). Epstein’s flathead live in MMA trainer and sometime driver told him that being seen with young women around Palm Beach while the minor prosty case was in everyone’s mind was not a good idea. Epstein just said “OK Grandma”. He was too well known in Palm Beach and yet he continued to be seen with girls everywhere while the court hearing were ongoing. They were legal age but he was having a great time in the public eye, thereby making a fool of the law and the state and that is why the mayor and police chief started complaining about the deal.

  143. @Horzabky

    Interesting, but perhaps degrees of separation are not very important. Anyone who has ever met journalist and TV personality Piers Morgan will have two, or possibly three, degrees of separation from just about every well-known person in the world today, so the wow factor breaks down if anyone in the chain makes their living by meeting famous people.

  144. @MEH 0910

    She is eating outside because she is in the company of her dog. Unless the dog is a service dog, or an emotional support dog, the dog cannot enter the restaurant.

  145. Sean says:
    @David Davenport

    If there was anything political or counter intelligence about the investigation they would have interrogated him and used the evidence to pressure him to talk. This whole thing was started by nobody cops, a journalist and local politicians in Florida, demanded by runaway national public opinion and it has been a disaster for the Justice Dept and the Trump administration because they did not consider the blowback.

    Go to 11:35 if it doesn’t

    Protective custody is what they will call it but she will be on suicide watch permanently and if she did not want to die already, a few weeks of that will change her mind.

  146. Svigor says:
    @Jack D

    “If there were any Jews willing to pimp out 13 year old Jewish girls to Epstein” is a relevant question too, (((guy))).

    It’s funny how many Jews have that creepy libertarian tic, where the customer’s always to blame.

    Drug dealing? Shouldn’t have bought them, goy.
    Booze merchant? Shouldn’t have bought it, goy.
    Pimping? Everyone knows 13 year old girls are the ones to blame, goy.

    The pimp/drug dealer/sleaze merchant/slumlord/con man has no agency, goy.

    But we know; the Jews dindunuffin, ever; the mantra that links together “conservative” Jews and “leftist” Jews and “libertarian” Jews and “socialist” Jews and “religious” Jews and “atheist” Jews and Israeli Jews and diaspora Jews and…

  147. Svigor says:

    Jews would be running around with their hair on fire if “Epstein” was “Smith” and all those White girls were Jewish girls. There’d be no end to it, it’d be a second shoah.

    But the roles aren’t reversed, so there’s no ethnic angle to be had here, goy. In fact, any suggestion of that is antisemitic blood libel. Move along, move along.

    P.S., contra Jack D, Jewry isn’t a religion.

  148. Svigor says:

    R U paid in dollars or shekels?

    It’s funny how many Jews have that creepy libertarian tic, where the customer’s always to blame.

    Except in Israel, where they prosecute Arabs for rape for consensual sex with Jewish chicks by pretending to be Jewish, force non-Jewish guest workers to sign contracts agreeing not to hire Jewish prostitutes, etc.


  149. Sean says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Maxwell ostentatiously reading reading about dead CIA guys is part of an Agency disinformation campaign, and intended to conceal the immortality of their machinations and operatives. As everyone here knows, no member of the CIA has ever ceased to conspire, so none has ever died. They just get a new face, a new identity, and a new nameplate on their office in Langley.

  150. @Sean

    I once had a lawyer make a comparable gaffe representing me in a civil matter – in open court, he effectively argued that my position was not that I was entitled to at the very least “x,” but, rather, that I wanted only “x” – two very different positions! With Herculean efforts, I maintained my composure.

    After we left the courtroom, of course, I fired his ass.

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  151. @CMC

    If that was Jon Voight, he’d be peeling a grape for a rabbi.

  152. JackOH says:

    J. Ross, thanks. I read the Wiki on Hastings.

    Steve has a pretty good dissenting groove. Light touch, catholicity of observations, plus, he allows his targets to speak for themselves while he sets them in relief with his comments. Still, he couldn’t avoid the charge of thoughtcrime by that SPLC group.

  153. J.Ross says:

    In and Out, home of the Double Double with Dirty Fries, is run by bornagains who secrete tiny bible verses on the wrappers. Joseph Campbell says that the tiger raised by sheep must wear the outer garment of the law.

  154. @Alden

    Hillary did the same when she needed a double to hold the impromptu public appearance on the sidewalk after the “side of beef” incident.

  155. Sean says:

    Civil law is a little different, I once read an obit of a big name lawyer described as having a concise and organised style that judges warmed to. He made each point once and once only. And he did not represent shady tax dodging schemes. Lawyers get a reputation, for representing not above board clients, being a ‘technical Tom’ ect. It matters who the judge is as well of course.

    The best lawyer is not always the right one. An acquaintance who had some unsavoury friends told me he was being represented on a domestic assault charge by a top criminal lawyer they recommended. The lawyer soon told him to get someone different because the court professionals and judge were assuming that the accused was a heavy-duty gangster just because this lawyer was representing him.

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  156. @Sean

    All true. And well met (lots of weird or hack lawyers on this site.)

    I know a local lawyer everyone in the prosecutor’s office can’t stand because he has literally never lost a case. Sure, he tells his dead-to-rights guilty clients to accept plea bargains, but when there is true doubt, he demands trials and wins. He tells the prosecutors to piss off with their sketchy plea bargains and puts them to their proof. And he wins. Every time. He’s that good. So they naturally hate him. It’s certainly true if one is looking to not rock the boat and settle things as quietly as possible, he is not the best counsel for them, simply because the prosecutors have so much hatred and motivation to “finally win” against him.

    But, if one really is innocent, he is absolutely the prosecutors’ huckleberry….

    My biggest thing with lawyers is that they get the lines right, as it were. As a recovering lawyer myself, and with a higher intelligence quotient than most lawyers I employ, their job is mostly cut and paste my shit and handle any local nuances I can’t be bothered with and not blow their lines in court. But if they do, I chew them an asshole most laymen aren’t qualified to and tell them where to piss off. Sort of like Paul Stanley did with the record company’s A&R idiot about “Forever.”

    Presumptuous? Douchey? Meh. Probably. But more so than would be an outgoing Blue Angel telling the new guy what to do in formation or someone like Phil Collins telling his studio musicians what he expects of them….

    You wanna be a half-assed lawyer? Well, know ahead of time actual lawyers won’t stand for that shit….

    • Replies: @Anon
  157. Sean says:

    I think Bronfman, rather like Maxwell, is yet another example of how heiresses –not having to worry about being supported–are especially influenced by the Sexy Son imperative. The best way to get women to want you is to give them the impression that lots of other women want you. If you have no money you need to start a cult and establish a female inner circle

    If you can steal 50 million then by largesse you can get ‘ It’ girls and beautiful models (available by the planeload from Russia) to surround you, thereby hacking the genes of wealthy women and making them putty in your hands. Then leave them holding the bag.

    “Somebody owes me lunch!” Officer Dianna Callahan allegedly shouted, pumping her fist and gesturing toward the shower where Edmond was locked. She repeated the demand. “Somebody owes me lunch!”

    Edmond’s lawyers say Callahan was alluding to a bet with Kory Moore, another officer.

    “Upon information and belief, Callahan made a bet with Moore that Edmond would become suicidal,” the lawsuit reads.

    Five minutes after … choking noises from the bathroom are heard on the surveillance footage, and would have been audible to the corrections officers, the suit claims. The noises continued for four minutes, during which none of the 12 nearby officers supposedly checked on Edmond. Finally, nearly 20 minutes after Edmond first called for help, an officer entered the shower to find her hanging from her bra. She was taken to a nearby hospital where she was pronounced brain dead.

  158. @Sean

    She is going to do a year in a turtle suit with no underwear and sleeping under an unbendable anti suicide sheet.

    After that, she should be ready to talk.

    Being Federal charges, which no one ever beats, and with a decade in prison held over her she will be left with no option but to plead guilty to a reduced charge.

    Reduced charges only if she names names.


    Being Federal charges, which no one ever beats

    But Trump has beat the ultimate “Federal charges,” — the FBI-CIA plot against him.

  159. HEL says:

    In the photo, Ghislaine Maxwell is reading the hardcover, not a Kindle Edition.

    How can you tell, in these photos, that Maxwell is reading that particular book? Trick question, you can’t tell. The Post merely asserted she was reading it.

    Here’s my conspiracy theory: The New York Post wanted to receive more clicks, so it took an old picture of Maxwell, claimed it was taken recently, then claimed she was reading some CIA book in it even though she was actually reading a completely different book.

    I think this theory holds together pretty well.

  160. MEH 0910 says:
    @Steve Sailer

  161. jb says:

    Hey Steve, I may have actually turned up something new on the Epstein thing!

    I was reading Jim Goad’s recent Taki’s piece on Epstein conspiracy theories, which included a link to an article taking about how Bob Barr’s father had written a science fiction novel about sex slavery shortly before he hired Epstein to teach at the Dalton School. From there I was reminded of a major pedophilia scandal in the SciFi world involving, among others, Ed Kramer, who is now a convicted child molester. So can you guess who Kramer’s lawyer was? Bob Barr!

  162. @Dr. X

    Barney Anon psyop from 8chan.

  163. @Alan Mercer

    I think it could be a message to Pete “the researcher” Townsend.

    Mama’s got a squeeze box. It goes in and out.

  164. @Anon

    Harvey W. hired BlackWeb to go after his critics.

    It could even be Geffen.

  165. @Jack D

    True , prostitution is not legal in most states , but neither would it be legal to tragic 21 year-olds verse 17 year-olds.

    You stated in you post that if “his preference had been for the 18-23 group rather than the 14-17 crowd, not many people (certainly not the law) would have anything to say about it”
    “Epstein’s bad luck was that his preference happened to be illegal” –

    His preference was not illegal in 30 states , nor in any European nation. His crime was trafficking , which is against the law even if the women are over 18.

  166. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Whoa, you’re friends with Perry Mason?

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