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From EuroNews in September 2015, on a speech by the chairman of the makers of Mercedes-Benz cars:

Refugees May Be Germany’s “next economic miracle,” says Daimler boss

15/09/2015

The huge influx of refugees and migrants into Germany could turn out to be the foundation for the country’s next economic miracle, according to the head of one of its major carmakers.

Far from being a danger, immigration presented an opportunity, he said – referring to Germany’s postwar boom to which millions of “guest workers” contributed. …

Dieter Zetsche acknowledged that accommodating the numbers was a “herculean task” for Germany, and that not everyone arriving would be a “brilliant engineer, mechanic or entrepreneur”.

But he added that many would be well educated and highly motivated, citing successful examples of migration elsewhere, such as in Silicon Valley….

Last week Zetsche and other German bosses appealed for refugees to be allowed to work.

Like other parts of Europe, Germany faces a looming labour shortage – in its case the population is expected to age and shrink significantly in the coming decades.

But from the Financial Times in June 2017:

Most refugees to be jobless for years, German minister warns

Prediction of long-term unemployment as hopes fade of boost to workforce skills

JUNE 22, 2017 by: Guy Chazan in Hamburg

Up to three quarters of Germany’s refugees will still be unemployed in five years’ time, according to a government minister, in a stark admission of the challenges the country faces in integrating its huge migrant population.

Aydan Özoğuz, commissioner for immigration, refugees and integration, told the Financial Times that only a quarter to a third of the newcomers would enter the labour market over the next five years, and “for many others we will need up to 10”.

The admission could prove awkward for Angela Merkel as she seeks a fourth term as chancellor in Bundestag elections this September.

Ms Merkel saw her poll ratings plummet in 2015 when she responded to Europe’s gathering refugee crisis by throwing open Germany’s borders. The migrant issue no longer dominates the country’s nightly news bulletins, but pollsters say the question of how it will absorb the 1.3m migrants who have arrived here since the start of 2015 is still one of voters’ key concerns.

… Initially, the influx of so many working-age, highly-motivated immigrants spurred optimism that they would mitigate Germany’s acute skills shortage and solve the demographic crisis posed by its dangerously low birth rate. Dieter Zetsche, chief executive of carmaker Daimler, said the refugees could lay the foundation for the “next German economic miracle”.

But those hopes have faded as a new realism about the migrants’ lack of qualifications and language skills sinks in. “There has been a shift in perceptions,” Ms Özoğuz told the FT. Many of the first Syrian refugees to arrive in Germany were doctors and engineers, but they were succeeded by “many, many more who lacked skills”.

 
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  1. Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    • Replies: @RobertTaylor

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.
     
    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me "aww they don't really mean it, they just have to say certain things". And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn't really believe it.
    , @Fredrik
    He may or may not believe it. Both would be newsworthy.

    Some of the higher ups really believe this stuff. Either because they haven't been looking into it themselves and believe the news or because they're delusional.

    On the other hand it's possible he's just saying stuff because he feels it's expected of him. That would mean some questions on free speech and democracy would need to be asked.
    , @Anonym
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Germany has been a relative whitopia until recently. You are not going to get an education into racial reality in a whitopia. Vermont, Sweden, Germany... these are areas where people have no experience with non-whites other than the martyrs, saints and geniuses that Hollywood puts out. Say what you will about living as middle, working or slumming-it upper class in the Babel of poz, you get an education in HBD quickly.

    If you only see the 1% of refugees as your driver, caddy or nameless peon in your business lounge, rest assured that they are the best behaved and most competent examples. Which is what these German business executives are seeing.

    , @LondonBob
    No they do really believe this stuff, the migrants were seen as the solution to European economic stagnation.
    , @cucksworth
    even if he doesn't believe it, thousands of people who worship the elites do
    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    Why not?

    I don't doubt that the vast majority of them believe what they say. Multiculturalism is like a religion: if it fails, that means their faith is being tested and that the only proper explanation is that it wasn't implemented hard enough or fast enough.

    Most corporate executives buy into the MUH DIVERSITY 100% Even if they don't believe it, they will still act on it, which means it is a distinction without a difference.
    , @Lurker
    They should at least try the minimal level of resistance - say nothing.

    Of course their evil entities and deluded cucks/SJWs out there but anyone else should stfu. All they do is add to the ambient sanction, acting as another straw breaking the camel's back.
  2. Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when Western Europe’s elites were pushing euthanasia? Seems like they don’t do that anymore. What changed?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    They decided to move on to a wholesale model, in place of retail euthanasia.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    They've already succeeded, no need to push. It's available for children in Belgium: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/health/belgium-minor-euthanasia/index.html

    And for the depressed: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/belgium-woman-24-granted-euthanasia-death-depression-article-1.2276577

    Etc.
    , @DJohn1
    What changed?

    Europe's Boomer elites got old, realized they were old, and realized that their personal skins were more valuable than the pro-euthanasia crap they had been preaching implied.
    , @Dr. X
    Wasn't Uncle Adolf the first European to legitimize euthanasia? Seems kinda odd how much of his program remains influential among the so-called "liberal" types -- euthanasia, environmentalism, corporatism, government surveillance, gun control, etc.
  3. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    More than 10 million foreigners in Germany

    WIESBADEN – The Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) reports that a good 10.0 million people holding only foreign citizenship were registered in the Central Register of Foreigners (AZR) at the end of 2016. This is the highest number of foreigners ever recorded in Germany since the AZR was established in 1967. Since 2014, that is, in 2015 and 2016, the number of foreigners rose by 1.886 million (+23.1%). Net immigration (balance of arrivals and departures) contributed most to this development. In 2015, net immigration was 1.535 million people. The relevant figure in 2016 was 482,300 people, which was by just under 70% lower than in the previous year. The surplus of births over deaths of the foreign population was 98,700 in the period of 2015 and 2016. In addition, 229,800 people were deleted from the register since the beginning of 2015 due to their naturalisation.

    https://www.destatis.de/EN/PressServices/Press/pr/2017/06/PE17_227_12521.html

    Most of them (5,8 million) are not from EUrope and their share is rising.
    Syrians are the majority of the foreigners in 90 districts out of 400.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    If the UK had a Central Register of Foreigners

    a) it would be staffed with foreigners, just as the Immigration Service (or whatever it's currently called) is

    b) said foreigners would (allegedly) fast track applications in exchange for cash

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3291728/asylum-centre-worker-nicked-for-charging-immigrants-1000-to-fast-track-visa-applications/

    or sex

    http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/668161.sex_scandal_at_lunar_house/

    In fact the UK Immigration service at Lunar House must be one of the very few places which actually has its own team of internal corruption investigators

    http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/4479514.Lunar_House_investigation_squad_bust_immigration_fraudsters/

    " A crack team of investigators have busted fraud rings within the home of UK immigration.

    Over the last two years the Security and Anti-Corruption team (SACU) at Lunar House in Croydon has secured the conviction of 10 staff involved in separate immigration frauds.

    The former employees have been sentenced to a total of 22 years in prison.

    The longest sentence was nine years for committing misconduct in a public office, a charge which can carry a life sentence.

    Four employees in the Immigration and Nationality Directorate have been found guilty of committing misconduct.

    The offence involved selling either travel documents or stamps enabling immigrants to have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) in the country.

    Jahangir Alam was jailed for 14 months in June last year for arranging ILR for his brother.

    Aisha Ajia was sentenced to three years and six months after a jury delivered a guilty verdict in April 2008 of 11 counts of misconduct.

    And John-Ayo was jailed for nine years in February last year for selling 207 travel documents for illegal immigrants to use.

    Another seven people have been charged or are awaiting trials over the coming months.

    Andrew Pearce, head of the SACU, said: “The majority of UK Border Agency staff carry out their roles with professionalism and integrity.

    “Unfortunately there are a small number who seek to abuse their position. "
     
    Even the building itself was owned by a foreign (financial) fraudster.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263920/Serial-fraudster-Achilleas-Kallakis-posed-property-tycoon-mastermind-Britains-biggest-mortgage-worth-750MILLION-jailed-seven-years.html
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    And by not allowing ten million of foreigners to immigrate from the Middle East, just look at all that Japan is missing out on. Don't they understand that Germany has it all under control, and that the prosperity of the world's economies rests on importing more and more and more that have nothing to do with the culture/ethnicity of the nations letting them in?

    Can't believe that the Island Nation thinks they know better than all the collective wisdom of the EU. Incredible. What exactly are they thinking?
  4. Sid says:

    I am not saying Germany’s guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don’t get me started with the “doctors and engineers” fable. Anyone who’s been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    > I am not saying Germany’s guest worker program was perfect, great,
    > or even good, but it made sense.

    It didn't. Former chancellor Helmut Schmidt made that clear in an interview, the guest workers were there to prevent wage hikes, he thought it was a terrible mistake, so did Helmut Kohl. Kohl wanted to send back half of the Turks:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Fkohl-wollte-jeden-zweiten-tuerken-in-deutschland-loswerden-a-914318.html&edit-text=&act=url
    , @Saxon
    It was only just used to compress wages at the time. Germany had already been rebuilt by the time the guest worker program was implemented. It then ended up being a disaster when they didn't leave Germany and now are a massive net drain, high criminality underclass. Turks are not much better than the dumb brutes from other countries. Their national IQ is barely higher. Other actual European populations would have been the better choice to get people to work such jobs from, but of course the end goal was always the rotten fruit that is being borne today.

    Even the "elites" don't believe this garbage about them being a benefit today. Why isn't Africa or any other place with a booming population seeing a real economic upturn? This is a boilerplate piece of libertarian open borders talking point which doesn't stand up to scrutiny once you factor in that peoples aren't equal and that someone from India or Syria or Turkey is not someone you can seamlessly pop into the place of a German or Swede or Englishman and expect everything to just work out as before.
    , @Daniel H
    >>When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    Yes it was. It was the very worst idea. No check that. The only think worse would have been to import Pakistanis and Algerians.

    Without the Turkish migration, Germany would just have endured a generation or 2 of slow growth. Big fucking deal. Here's the little secret Theo, economic cycles are transitory, guest workers are permanent.
    , @Opinionator
    When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    Germany may have had factory work to do, but what is the evidence that it needed to import aliens to do it?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Germany was so short of workers in 2005 that (along with all of Europe except the UK and Ireland - thanks Tony Blair) they refused to allow any workers in from the A8 EU accession countries (Poland et al) for five years (by which time there were a couple of million Poles in UK/Ireland).
    , @gdpbull
    "So many young workders died during the war .." The guest worker program was not until the 60s. The young workers in the 60s were children during the war. A 10 year old in 1945 was 30 in 1965. And there were still plenty of workers who fought in the war as well. Germany lost about 5 million soldiers in the war which includes those who died in Soviet POW camps, which was about 1/4 of the male military age population. So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.
    , @Altai

    And don’t get me started with the “doctors and engineers” fable. Anyone who’s been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDg1nK45xw&t=0m9s

    You forgot the Kebab Technicians who exceed anything found in Europe.
    , @Ed
    What was the rush? The recovery could have easily occurred naturally without Turkish labor. Japan did it.
    , @jack ryan
    Did the Angles and Saxon Kings in England and their advisors and Christian Monks say and think the same thing about Viking invaders sacking monasteries?

    Did free market economists in Angle Saxon England mouth off about how these Viking raids were going to be a good thing for the English labor markets?

    When was the last time Germans attempted a coup?

    The Beer Hall Putsche?

    Some other nationalists in Germany did do some successful coups in Berlin - like the one where they killed Roza Luxumborg - shot her and through her in to a canal.

    "Luxemburg and Liebknecht were captured in Berlin on 15 January 1919 by the Rifle Division of the Cavalry Guards of the Freikorps (Garde-Kavallerie-Schützendivision).[20] Its commander Captain Waldemar Pabst, with Lieutenant Horst von Pflugk-Harttung, questioned them under torture and then gave the order to execute them. Luxemburg was knocked down with a rifle butt by the soldier Otto Runge, then shot in the head, either by Lieutenant Kurt Vogel or by Lieutenant Hermann Souchon. Her body was flung into Berlin's Landwehr Canal.[21]"
  5. • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    "Experts" can lie over and over, but unless its quite egregious, they almost never face being thrown out of their tenured sinecures.

    Academia is our "deep state", and it needs civilian control just as much as the military does.
    , @The King is a Fink
    The only possible explanation for this is that German corporations are institutionally racist. All those refugee engineers and technicians who sacrificed so much to make the trip to Europe are being discriminated against. Germany clearly needs an affirmative action strategy to redress this injustice.
  6. Something’s gotta give… White elites or White masses. The Diverse Horde is just the catalyst.

    • Replies: @DJohn1
    The Roman smallholders of the Middle who were the heart and soul of the Legions at Cannae didn't win when the Equestrian class decided to import slaves in bulk. The Roman Middle were squeezed into nonexistence. Most were downwardly mobile and merged with the slaves into a new population of Low, a few made it up the greasy pole into the Senatorial class of the High.

    The Senatorial class bought up the smallholdings for aeses on the denarii, and merged them into the huge centralized plantations, the latifundia. Google, Walmart and Boeing are the latifundia of today.

    Whether by reproduction or importation of a new people, the population of the Low is expanding. As population expands, wages fall. As ability to buy contracts, production will contract and prices will rise. Subsistence wages and rising prices, the worst of all possible worlds for the Low.

    As the former Middle and new serviles immiserate into a common population of Low, the High will make out like bandits. For a few generations. Then they will become too numerous for the few slots actually available to elites. Competing conspicuous consumption will make the expenditures necessary to proclaim High status pricier and pricier. Aspirants to the High will compete fiercely for government largess, jobs and patronage. Entry to the High will become more and more costly.

    We are already seeing this in the Higher Education bubble. Blessings from the proper Holy Temples, sorry... sheepskins from the proper universities... are necessary credentials for admission to the High.

    Eventually the High will fall out amongst themselves and yoke the resentful and immiserated Low in as canon fodder. Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    Conflict spreads. Plague blossoms. Famine blooms. Populations are culled. Wages rise and incomes of the High fall. Government intervention to trim the incomes of the High is common after a society's early phase - in the early phase, bonds of loyalty between the Middle and the High under conditions of constant threat are sufficient to restrain the avarice of the High. Later on, the Middle are largely gone and the society has assumed the two class form characteristic of mature societies.

    Rinse. Repeat. Watch your society go extinct over the course of a thousand years or so, usually. Watch the spunky newcomer society on the block do it all over again.

    This time is never different.
    , @Fredrik
    Indeed, and some of what you hear from the elites(both in Europe and USA) sounds no less hysterical than government info sent from Berlin spring '45.
    , @Anonymous
    That sounds like a cue for a song, Jackie!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J38ZYZMWJLg

    When an irresistible force such as you
    Meets an old immovable object like me
    You can bet just as sure as you live

    Something's got to give
    Something's got to give
    Something's got to give

    When an irrepressible smile such as yours
    Warms an old implacable heart such as mine
    Don't say no, because I insist
    Somewhere, somehow, someone's got to be kissed
    So, en garde, who knows what the fates might have in store?
    From their vast mysterious sky?
    I'll try hard ignoring those lips that I adore
    But how long can anyone try?
    Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight it with all of our might
    Chances are some heavenly star-spangled night
    We'll find out just as sure as we live

    Something's got to give
    Something's got to give
    Something's got to give

    Fight fight fight it with all of your might
    Chances are that some heavenly star-spangled night
    We'll find out just as sure as we live
    Something's got to give
  7. Not so stupid, I’m afraid. Here’s a post at achgut.com on German billionaire Ralph Dommermuth, founder and CEO of United Internet, a Germany-based broadband provider. He supports Merkel’s immigration craze as does Zetsche and almost all off them. achgut.com is run by our Mark Steyn of sorts, journalist Henryk Broder. The post lists many of Dommermuth’s government-linked business interests. I’d say they all try to milk the cow before it gets slaughtered. The governing krazies try to phase out diesel and force electric cars on us in the coming decades. Zetsche may well need all of Merkel’s help he can get, so he’s being nice to her ever craze de jour.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Broder

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Feine_halbe_million_fuer_merkel_der_unheimlich_spendable_herr_dommermuth&edit-text=&act=url

    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    I forgot: Dommermuth donated half a million € to Merkel's CDU recently, all the while having quarrels with main competitor Deutsche Telekom, still partly government-owned. He depends on the goodwill of our Federal Network Agency, the regulatory authority. %$§§$$"!!!!
  8. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/754443638164381698

    “Experts” can lie over and over, but unless its quite egregious, they almost never face being thrown out of their tenured sinecures.

    Academia is our “deep state”, and it needs civilian control just as much as the military does.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Academia as deep state - hmmhmm - what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don't really want to compete?

    If you'd follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don't trust them University people too much.
    I've written about a year ago, that Steve Sailer outperforms thousands of sociologists and poltitical scientists and journalist professors etc. I think, his is a telling example.


    By the way: The fact, that institutionalised knowledge tends to become ineffective, is well known for a very long time. - Just think of the impululses of Darwin, Freud, Jakob Böhme, Erich Fromm (from his thirties on - he got thrown out by his scientific institute (which is still pretty well known...)...), Schopenhauer etc, etc, etc. .....

    , @TomSchmidt
    A great book on how atrocious "experts" are is Future Babble. If you've not read it, you'll greatly enjoy it.
  9. Germans are an intelligent, afttractive and efficient race. The trouble is they are naive and very cucky. They lack the cunning that our Vibrant invaders have in spades. Thwy also have little experience with third worlders. I suspect they will be eatwn alive ax cunning beats intelligence every time in cultural marxist wacko world.

    • Replies: @AM

    Germans are an intelligent, afttractive and efficient race. The trouble is they are naive and very cucky. They lack the cunning that our Vibrant invaders have in spades. Thwy also have little experience with third worlders.
     
    There is one more trait here I think you might be leaving out. They're arrogant. God bless 'em, I really have liked most of the Germans I've met. But it appears those natives of Deutschland have hard time imagining they could be wrong. (The French, of which I am partially descended from on this side of the pond, have the same problem.)

    Part of the problem actually is they are mostly right, most of the time. But they seem to extend that to 100% of the time in a way that the English are less likely to do. It will have to be obvious disaster before things get seriously reconsidered and I think it will be backlash after that.
  10. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    > I am not saying Germany’s guest worker program was perfect, great,
    > or even good, but it made sense.

    It didn’t. Former chancellor Helmut Schmidt made that clear in an interview, the guest workers were there to prevent wage hikes, he thought it was a terrible mistake, so did Helmut Kohl. Kohl wanted to send back half of the Turks:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Fkohl-wollte-jeden-zweiten-tuerken-in-deutschland-loswerden-a-914318.html&edit-text=&act=url

    • Replies: @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.
    , @Van Doren
    The same Helmut Schmidt allowed Turks to stay back in 1974.
  11. @Jason Roberts
    Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when Western Europe's elites were pushing euthanasia? Seems like they don't do that anymore. What changed?

    They decided to move on to a wholesale model, in place of retail euthanasia.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    "I can get it for you wholesale" --- Muhammad
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Indeed.
  12. The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood–millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can’t see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    • Replies: @DJohn1
    What is the argument against mass immigration absent HBD?

    Simple economics.

    If a large surplus of low skilled workers is imported from the outside, the population of Low will bloat and wages for the native low skilled must fall. Supply and demand.

    Of course, whether explicitly or implicitly, that's the entire point. In the cultural 1950s (1945-'65), wages for the Low spiked so much that servants were out of the question for all but the richest of the rich. Today, servants are back and power mommy the Wall Street lawyer or Beltway lobbyist can have the kids raised by the nanny as she earns her 300K a year for the family fun money fund. The richest of rich wives don't even bother to work after the three masters' degrees, and the nanny still raises the 2.1 vanity children.
    , @Fredrik
    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.
    , @Anonymous
    This isn't just the logical outcome of their worldview, it's a whole-hearted effort to validate that worldview, which is why so many seem absolutely determined to assimilate migrants or die trying. Plus, if they succeed they'll prove just how great Germany really is.

    If we can't be the best at conquering the world, gosh darn it, we'll be the best at being conquered by it.


    The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question.
     
    They can imagine it being called into question -- by hateful cranks, and unenlightened plebs (who won't share their exposure to just the most civilized 1% of immigrants), and getting to prove you're not them must be part of the appeal.

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides
     
    Absent race-realism the argument is that they are too numerous to assimilate culturally on any time-scale, forming enclaves or imposing their own cultures on the hosts. Contraindications: this argument reacts badly when applied to cultural elites and their minions who hate the stale, pale, and male.

    Leafing through some book called Super-diversity (2013) by some Dutch sociologist, I thought they were pulling a it's not real Diversity, real Diversity has never been tried on Europe's failed flirtations with assimilation and multiculturalism, but no, they claim diversity has succeeded -- in New York City. If diversity has failed in Europe it's because there just hasn't been enough demographic replacement: "If there is no longer an ethnic minority group, everyone will have to adapt to everyone else. Diversity will become the new norm."

    , @dr kill
    Most live an entire lifetime in the USSA holding the beliefs you have just described so well and never learn the truth about racial differences. In fact, you will be applauded by all the right people for your dangerous stupidity.

    Send your kids to the Dade County Public Schools for a few years and get back to me. Reality, it's a bitch.
    , @John Pepple

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration?

     

    If you are a leftist, the argument against the mass immigration of Muslims is that Muslims destroyed the left in Iran back in 1979, so it is reasonable to believe they will try to do the same here in the West.

    I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration.
     
    During that period of your life, were you aware of what had happened to the left in Iran in 1979?
  13. @theo the kraut
    Not so stupid, I'm afraid. Here's a post at achgut.com on German billionaire Ralph Dommermuth, founder and CEO of United Internet, a Germany-based broadband provider. He supports Merkel's immigration craze as does Zetsche and almost all off them. achgut.com is run by our Mark Steyn of sorts, journalist Henryk Broder. The post lists many of Dommermuth's government-linked business interests. I'd say they all try to milk the cow before it gets slaughtered. The governing krazies try to phase out diesel and force electric cars on us in the coming decades. Zetsche may well need all of Merkel's help he can get, so he's being nice to her ever craze de jour.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henryk_Broder

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.achgut.com%2Fartikel%2Feine_halbe_million_fuer_merkel_der_unheimlich_spendable_herr_dommermuth&edit-text=&act=url

    I forgot: Dommermuth donated half a million € to Merkel’s CDU recently, all the while having quarrels with main competitor Deutsche Telekom, still partly government-owned. He depends on the goodwill of our Federal Network Agency, the regulatory authority. %$§§$$”!!!!

  14. Germans have never figured out that Arabs and arabized Africans are about the laziest men in God’s creation. The very last thing an Arab man wants to do is lift a finger to do anything, hence the appeal of polygamy. When an Arab man is ultimately compelled to work, he pools together enough welfare money from his wives and children buys a ratty cab, or opens up a barber shop, a shabby dry goods store or maybe a coffee shop, all the while having illegal minion do the labor. That is the extent of his ambition.

    I read somewhere that even ISIS was complaining about the sheer laziness of Syrian men.

    This is the material with which German will retain its industrial empire?

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Germans have never figured out that Arabs and arabized Africans are about the laziest men in God’s creation. The very last thing an Arab man wants to do is lift a finger to do anything, hence the appeal of polygamy. When an Arab man is ultimately compelled to work, he pools together enough welfare money from his wives and children buys a ratty cab, or opens up a barber shop, a shabby dry goods store or maybe a coffee shop, all the while having illegal minion do the labor. That is the extent of his ambition.
     
    A good insight. So their objective is to make someone into their chump. Into their fool. Into their bitch. I have never thought in those terms which are the epitome of sleaze and dishonor, dishonesty. They go against the grain of traditional America which was (is?) for the independent, sovereign, libertarian (manly) man and what he could make of life. Yes, I know this was an ideal to reach for. Our movies used to make it a big deal, so it was on people's minds..
    , @ScarletNumber
    Abdulfattah Jandali is a Syrian who earned a Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of Wisconsin. He used this Ph.D. to become a restaurateur in Silicon Valley.

    Why am I mentioning him? He is the birth father of Steve Jobs.
  15. In the German elites defense they a) don’t seem to have the same kind of supply side views as american elites and b) seem to have learned their diversity insanity from Americans. Although I don’t have any first hand knowledge or experience one way or the other.

  16. It’s one thing to import people.

    It’s another to import taxpayers.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Stated a little differently: They wanted workers, they got people.
  17. @Jason Roberts
    Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when Western Europe's elites were pushing euthanasia? Seems like they don't do that anymore. What changed?
    • Replies: @Cheetah
    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.
  18. Couldn’t Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to “join us, and become part of a great people”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    For a while I've been calling for an Aliyah for European-Americans.

    Go back to our roots and stop oppressing the poor indigenous and people of color.

    I'll be [email protected] to raise children who are going to be hectored and indoctrinated about their evil oppressive original sin & white privilege @ places like Yale, Middlebury or Evergreen.

    The local primary and secondary public schools are even worse. That kind of lunacy at Evergreen doesn't erupt spontaneously when they turn eighteen. The seeds have been sown long before and the minds are probably poisoned beyond hope...
    , @German_reader
    Great idea, I've had similar thoughts myself. Don't think it will ever happen though.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    Couldn’t Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians?
     
    The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn't they just import some Greeks and Spaniards? Those two countries are EU members, after all, and both have astronomically high unemployment rates (around 25%). And it goes without saying that, as Christians, their culture would be much more compatible with Germany. So why isn't this happening? The obvious answer is that there really is no true labor shortage in Germany, any more than there is one in the US.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I suspect there may be as many as ten or fifteen million civilized, skilled, highly educated South Africans of Afrikaaner and British ancestry who would be more than happy to leave the hell hole their Negro overlords are creating and hightail it for Europe.
    , @Hannah Katz
    JackOH: In addition to German Americans, they should encourage Afrikaners from South Africa to immigrate to Germany. They work hard, tend to be Christian, and are from the Germanic culture. A much better fit than Islamic terrorists.
    , @Flip
    If I were a young, working class white guy in (say) Rockford, IL with not very good prospects, I'd certainly consider immigrating to Germany. My great grandfather came to America from Germany for a similar reason.
    , @Flip
    Germany ought to offer citizenship to any Afrikaner who wants to come. They are genetically the same with similar culture.
    , @Timmo
    I'm a third generation German, French, Anglo american. I visit my native countries but I love Freedom too much to return. I need to know I can criticize and insult my betters. And get away with it because I have a Heckler & Koch rifle. Cheap gas is nice too.
    , @Perspective
    I suggested a while back that Germany bring back some of their Amish communities, they have a high birth rate and strong work ethic. The obvious draw back would be finding land that can be given to them, though I've read there's a high demand for organic farmers in Germany right now.
  19. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Mexicans do a pretty decent job of assembling cars.

    A total of 700,000 CKD kits have been packaged in Wörth and shipped throughout the world to date. The kits are assembled into complete trucks with the usual Mercedes-Benz quality at plants in countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, among others.

    http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/More-than-700000-truck-kits-shipped-for-assembly-to-locations-worldwide-since-1966-Assembly-Kits-from-Woerth-Support-Global-Growth-of-Mercedes-Benz-Trucks-for-50-Year.xhtml?oid=10208502

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Mexicans have a good work ethic and tend to have a mechanical aptitude.

    Saudi men don't work, In KSA they employ many hundreds of thousand foreign laborers for the hard work from skilled Americans and Europeans for the tech and military gear. Filipinos, Thaios and Indos for straight labor, etc.
    , @Kyle McKenna
    A minor point perhaps, but late-model Mercedes-Benz vehicles seem to be more trouble-prone than those of the 1960s and 1970s.

    In fairness, on the other hand, they are also far more complex; furthermore they seem to be in line with their principal competitors. Except for Porsche and particularly Lexus, which is generally in a league of its own.
    , @Jack D
    CKD (Complete Knockdown Kit) is the lowest tech form of auto assembly. It usually exists to get around tariff barriers or local content laws, mostly in 3rd world countries. They send the vehicle in as few pieces as they can get away with and local workers complete the final assembly. Anything requiring a lot of capital investment or technology, such as engines or transmissions, is usually imported whole. The locals bolt the large body panels together and install the seats and wheels, etc. - low tech stuff that doesn't require an expensive assembly plant or a lot of skill.

    Mexico has a real auto industry where they make whole cars from soup to nuts, the same as in the US (except the workers make a LOT less).

    The US has its own stupid laws. Due to the 25% "chicken tax" on imported trucks (retaliation for a European tariff on American chicken in the 60's), until recently Ford was importing its Transit commercial vans as "passenger vehicles" with a back seat. When the arrived at the port and cleared customs, Ford would unbolt the seats and throw them in the dumpster.

    , @Autochthon
    How is it kits related to chronic kidney disease are being assembled into automobiles? What is in these kits, anyway? Arcane, undefined acronyms from lazy writers, perhaps?
  20. @Jason Roberts
    Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when Western Europe's elites were pushing euthanasia? Seems like they don't do that anymore. What changed?

    What changed?

    Europe’s Boomer elites got old, realized they were old, and realized that their personal skins were more valuable than the pro-euthanasia crap they had been preaching implied.

  21. Perhaps, in a nation wracked with post-Hitler guilt, it was more of a case of a power wielding man ‘saying nice things’ in order to be ‘pleasant’ and accommodating, whilst not really believing the bullshit.

  22. Sid says:
    @theo the kraut
    > I am not saying Germany’s guest worker program was perfect, great,
    > or even good, but it made sense.

    It didn't. Former chancellor Helmut Schmidt made that clear in an interview, the guest workers were there to prevent wage hikes, he thought it was a terrible mistake, so did Helmut Kohl. Kohl wanted to send back half of the Turks:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Fkohl-wollte-jeden-zweiten-tuerken-in-deutschland-loswerden-a-914318.html&edit-text=&act=url

    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what’s most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren’t working and their “skill set” is not what the current German economy needs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    'Productivity' is measured by the cash value of output per hour - not by paying the lowest possible rate for a unit of output.

    Hence, a big-shot American lawyer who sits on his ass all day is more 'productive' than a Mexican peon sweltering in the fields cutting and loading corn all day.
    , @Buck Turgidson
    I guess it also depends on whether a nation's leaders see a nation as consisting of things like cultural heritage and language and borders--or if a nation really is no more than a factory or supermarket populated by 'workers' that exists to promote GDP, sales, and throughput.
    , @Yak-15
    You have the economic reality exactly backwards. Productivity gains stem from high wages and incentives to reduce the amount of labor necessary in production. Large numbers of cheap laborers make productivity gains unnecessary and overly costly.
    , @J
    Trust me, the Germans know how to make people work to death. There are no lazy students under German teachers, and no lazy workers under German bosses. Those Syrians will soon meet their German factory supervisors but by then it will be too late.
    , @3g4me
    @22 Sid: "The Turks worked . . . " Still believe that media lie? Why are you here?

    I cannot find the link at the moment, but I read not long ago that a surprisingly large percentage of the original Gastarbeiters received public assistance from the get go. And, of course, there's the fact that Germany initially did not want any Turks in their Gastarbeiter program because of strong cultural and religious differences, but strong pressure from their good friend the USA convinced them otherwise.


    If Turks were such excellent workers, Turkey wouldn't be Turkey and there wouldn't be millions of Turks all around the world.
    , @Pseudonymic Handle
    First generation turks worked. Second generation turks have 50% unemployment.
    , @Ed
    Humans are complex beings, boiling them down to some macroeconomic formula without any other considerations is a mistake in leadership.

    The Turks may have worked but are at the end of the day Turks. The West Germans should have made dye without them or at the very least very few of them. Not the millions they have now.

  23. But there was an economic stimulus, an imported Reinvestment & Recovery of sorts, for about a thousand guys in Berlin:

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/06/refugees-are-paying-german-men-to-claim-paternity-of-their-children/

  24. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me “aww they don’t really mean it, they just have to say certain things”. And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn’t really believe it.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Lip service matters. Without all those years of lip service on the part of everybody who is anybody, you wouldn't have seen Merkel's Blunder.
    , @JackOH
    "Lip service matters." Yep, sure does. Overlooked and ignored lip service becomes dubious policy, then morphs into unchallengeable dogma.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Robert, and Steve and Jack also: Yes, lip service matters, but that doesn't negate Horseball's point. The headline says "...are as stupid ...". They are not stupid, I don't think, and that was Horse' point. I can't speak for him, but of course lip service can have just the same effect.

    This guy may be more evil than stupid, because even if he knows that his words are a bunch of horse hockey, he is not doing the right thing for his people and the country of Germany.

    I do think it's possible that some of these elites, like this German CEO or whatever he is, are really just ignorant - not stupid, but ignorant, which is different. It is possible he has no interfaces with these invaders besides meeting the top 0.1% who may actually know their asses from a hole in the ground and be worthwhile people to know. Meanwhile, this executive may never run into any of the people that are causing, and will cause, lots of grief to the general population.

    Or, yeah, more likely it's just politics, as one poster wrote about, and he's just making sure the German government scratches his back in turn. Traitorous scumbag.

    , @Olorin

    Lip service matters.
     
    Bingo.

    yet whatever PC dogma
     
    It's often more like PR dogma.
  25. Rigged: Forced into Debt. Worked past Exhaustion. Left with Nothing.

    Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

    Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

    When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck — along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

    Talavera was a modern-day indentured servant. And there are hundreds, likely thousands more, still on the road, hauling containers for trucking companies that move goods for America’s most beloved retailers, from Costco to Target to Home Depot.

    These port truckers — many of them poor immigrants who speak little English — are responsible for moving almost half of the nation’s container imports out of Los Angeles’ ports. They don’t deliver goods to stores. Instead they drive them short distances to warehouses and rail yards, one small step on their journey to a store near you.

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.

    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/news/rigged-forced-into-debt-worked-past-exhaustion-left-with-nothing/

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    I've seen some of this first-hand with the auto transporters I've hired. The immigrant drivers live in their trucks and there's absolutely no way a native-born American who pays rent can compete.

    It's a race to the bottom and it won't stop until the whole world is Calcutta.

    , @Rob McX

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.
     
    Obviously, he must be making up the difference with welfare payments. It's good for the likes of Costco and Home Depot - privatise the profits, socialise the costs.
    , @El Dato

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.
     
    Sounds like mobster and well-lobbying company tactics.

    I hate myself for saying this but maybe unions should be emboldened again.

    (And quite a few boardrooms should be empties pronto)
    , @Mr. Anon
    Thanks for posting. This story needs wider distribution.

    You can see why big business wants immigration: for a steady supply of captive labor to ruthlessly exploit. What about the people running those trucking companies - how can a person do such things? How can a person be such a complete sh*t and live with himself?
  26. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    It was only just used to compress wages at the time. Germany had already been rebuilt by the time the guest worker program was implemented. It then ended up being a disaster when they didn’t leave Germany and now are a massive net drain, high criminality underclass. Turks are not much better than the dumb brutes from other countries. Their national IQ is barely higher. Other actual European populations would have been the better choice to get people to work such jobs from, but of course the end goal was always the rotten fruit that is being borne today.

    Even the “elites” don’t believe this garbage about them being a benefit today. Why isn’t Africa or any other place with a booming population seeing a real economic upturn? This is a boilerplate piece of libertarian open borders talking point which doesn’t stand up to scrutiny once you factor in that peoples aren’t equal and that someone from India or Syria or Turkey is not someone you can seamlessly pop into the place of a German or Swede or Englishman and expect everything to just work out as before.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The traditional source of imported labor into Germany was always Poland.

    That supply was cut off from 1945 to 1990. Hence the Turks, Italians, Yugoslavs, Greeks and others.
    , @ANON
    The Turks were brought in after the Berlin wall was built. By 1947 Russian occupied E Germany was surrounded by barbed wire, ditches, watch towers, well armed guards and guard dogs.

    Berlin was in the Russian Zone. It was divided into 4 zones. It was fairly easy to escape from the Russian zone to American, British and French zones

    So there was a steady supply of labor at all levels of skills. And then the Berlin Wall went up in the summer of 1963. The capitalists swiftly imported "guest workers " from Turkey.
  27. So perhaps the upside to Merkel’s bones (lol) is that the “humans as interchangeable cogs” theory of labor finally gets tossed out the window. I mean all the other data should have proven that to be the case already, but here we have a single mass immigration event that studies will be tracking for years, and it isn’t looking good. If all that ends up happening from this is that German taxpayers (including businesses) wind up seeing a huge and immediate increase in the welfare caseload (and probably another decline in native German birthrates to go with it) businesses may have a change of heart w.r.t. mass immigration, especially from Islamic countries.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam

    So perhaps the upside to Merkel’s bones (lol) is that the “humans as interchangeable cogs” theory of labor finally gets tossed out the window.
     
    That's interesting. Very interesting actually. I wonder what happens to current economic models if you stop treating labor in these things as an anonymous, interchangeable thing.

    I.E., if you assign a "quality" or "productivity" factor to populations you treat as identifiable (instead of anonymous), and this particular trait is independent of any inputs you put in to improve labor (training and whatnot).

    I doubt it's the whole truth, but closer to reality than what they have been doing.

    In short, we talk about it here. But what happens if you take HBD principles and actually apply them to something like economics?

    China looks more like a Mo-Fo all the time.
  28. @BenKenobi
    Something's gotta give... White elites or White masses. The Diverse Horde is just the catalyst.

    The Roman smallholders of the Middle who were the heart and soul of the Legions at Cannae didn’t win when the Equestrian class decided to import slaves in bulk. The Roman Middle were squeezed into nonexistence. Most were downwardly mobile and merged with the slaves into a new population of Low, a few made it up the greasy pole into the Senatorial class of the High.

    The Senatorial class bought up the smallholdings for aeses on the denarii, and merged them into the huge centralized plantations, the latifundia. Google, Walmart and Boeing are the latifundia of today.

    Whether by reproduction or importation of a new people, the population of the Low is expanding. As population expands, wages fall. As ability to buy contracts, production will contract and prices will rise. Subsistence wages and rising prices, the worst of all possible worlds for the Low.

    As the former Middle and new serviles immiserate into a common population of Low, the High will make out like bandits. For a few generations. Then they will become too numerous for the few slots actually available to elites. Competing conspicuous consumption will make the expenditures necessary to proclaim High status pricier and pricier. Aspirants to the High will compete fiercely for government largess, jobs and patronage. Entry to the High will become more and more costly.

    We are already seeing this in the Higher Education bubble. Blessings from the proper Holy Temples, sorry… sheepskins from the proper universities… are necessary credentials for admission to the High.

    Eventually the High will fall out amongst themselves and yoke the resentful and immiserated Low in as canon fodder. Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    Conflict spreads. Plague blossoms. Famine blooms. Populations are culled. Wages rise and incomes of the High fall. Government intervention to trim the incomes of the High is common after a society’s early phase – in the early phase, bonds of loyalty between the Middle and the High under conditions of constant threat are sufficient to restrain the avarice of the High. Later on, the Middle are largely gone and the society has assumed the two class form characteristic of mature societies.

    Rinse. Repeat. Watch your society go extinct over the course of a thousand years or so, usually. Watch the spunky newcomer society on the block do it all over again.

    This time is never different.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Great practical history lesson, Mr. John. I especially liked "...for aeses on the denarii"! Now, it's "pennies on the dollar". I had forgotten the older expression.
    , @Desiderius

    Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.
     
    I.e. George Washington.

    We're not in a cold Civil War, we're in a cold Revolutionary War.
    , @Anonymous
    White Nationalism will make it different this time.
  29. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    >>When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    Yes it was. It was the very worst idea. No check that. The only think worse would have been to import Pakistanis and Algerians.

    Without the Turkish migration, Germany would just have endured a generation or 2 of slow growth. Big fucking deal. Here’s the little secret Theo, economic cycles are transitory, guest workers are permanent.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    "guest workers are permanent."

    I've been wracking my brain about just how this could be dealt with short of bloodshed and heartbreak of forcible ethnic cleansing.

    So far I've heard of zero possible solutions that could possibly be sold in an enlightened western democracy.

    The best I could think of is some kind of lump-sum cash payment that would motivate the least productive and least integrated examples to "return to their home countries"

    Call it "development aid" if we must and wrap it in a figleaf of rebuilding their home countries while returning human capital & reversing brain drain. Call it a cash equivalent "40 acres and a mule..." The immigrants who are rooted, productive and integrated in their new country won't be swayed by the temptation of a mere sum of cash. The moochers, junkies, and otherwise generally worthless are more likely to be tempted. Widen the offer to any citizens who might otherwise disaffected rabble-rousers or tax-cheats who have no real affection for their homeland and yearn to sneak off to a low tax jurisdiction. Will it eliminate all problems of terrorists or other disgruntled and asocial troublemakers in our midst? No. But if it does tempt any away, good riddance to any disloyal willing to sell their citizenship for a little cash. Finally let's not be stingy. Get the actuaries to add up the stream of transfer payments and benefits to which these folks would otherwise be entitled... everything from Medicaid, housing & food aid benefits to the "criminal justice services" that are probably a little harder to calculate. By then the expected burden is so high that even a generous lump sum settlement looks like a good deal.

    Add a Universal Basic Income to the context and it's possibly to make it even more attractive. The possibility to live high off the hog in lower cost places abroad would make it even more attractive to are more consistent with their values, culture and lifestyles. Could really be a win-win solution. Use a little financial wizardry and turn that stream of UBI payments into a nice lump sum in exchange for renunciation of citizenship and expatriation of the disaffected becomes even more attractive.

    Of course many will object that it's perverse to reward the most worthless and disloyal troublemakers with a cash windfall. It still might be worth it. If we consider all unintended long term consequences and costs from having benefited from exploitation of slaves or low wage immigrants, the costs of that have probably by now vastly exceeded whatever the short term profit might have been. Buying out the most socially disruptive elements would probably yield dividends far beyond what we could imagine.

    So let's consider offering Mr. Genius Coates his reparations. But let it be a final reckoning. All debts paid. All accounts closed. No further claims or extortion. Those who accept the bargain can look forward to building a new life someplace else perhaps even free of the indignities of racism, oppression, microaggressions and white privilege. Those who decline the offer and stay Americans make an equally powerful statement, one of hope and belonging that like the immigrants before them, they freely choose their identity to be among Americans and affirm its values and legacy.

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they'd launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.

    All we have to do is make the return trip a little more attractive.

    It's easy to understand that if the unsustainable overgenerous welfare benefits were the cause of the adverse selection of newcomers with the exactly wrong kinds of motivations, all we have to do is turn that motor of adverse selection in reverse for a spell before we turn it off. Instead of bribing the laziest and most worthless to come to Europe and America for all the wrong reasons, we just have to make the bribe for going away.

  30. @kaganovitch
    They decided to move on to a wholesale model, in place of retail euthanasia.

    “I can get it for you wholesale” — Muhammad

  31. @Selvar
    The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood--millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can't see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    What is the argument against mass immigration absent HBD?

    Simple economics.

    If a large surplus of low skilled workers is imported from the outside, the population of Low will bloat and wages for the native low skilled must fall. Supply and demand.

    Of course, whether explicitly or implicitly, that’s the entire point. In the cultural 1950s (1945-’65), wages for the Low spiked so much that servants were out of the question for all but the richest of the rich. Today, servants are back and power mommy the Wall Street lawyer or Beltway lobbyist can have the kids raised by the nanny as she earns her 300K a year for the family fun money fund. The richest of rich wives don’t even bother to work after the three masters’ degrees, and the nanny still raises the 2.1 vanity children.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    You've omitted mention of higher costs of things like land, environmental destruction, congestion and overcrowding. And if the immigrants skew male, many men will be left without spouses.
    , @Marty
    My mother had a maid/nanny in 1962-3, black lady named Algertha. At the time, my parents had a combined income of about $20k, and no help from their parents.
  32. @Daniel H
    Germans have never figured out that Arabs and arabized Africans are about the laziest men in God's creation. The very last thing an Arab man wants to do is lift a finger to do anything, hence the appeal of polygamy. When an Arab man is ultimately compelled to work, he pools together enough welfare money from his wives and children buys a ratty cab, or opens up a barber shop, a shabby dry goods store or maybe a coffee shop, all the while having illegal minion do the labor. That is the extent of his ambition.

    I read somewhere that even ISIS was complaining about the sheer laziness of Syrian men.

    This is the material with which German will retain its industrial empire?

    Germans have never figured out that Arabs and arabized Africans are about the laziest men in God’s creation. The very last thing an Arab man wants to do is lift a finger to do anything, hence the appeal of polygamy. When an Arab man is ultimately compelled to work, he pools together enough welfare money from his wives and children buys a ratty cab, or opens up a barber shop, a shabby dry goods store or maybe a coffee shop, all the while having illegal minion do the labor. That is the extent of his ambition.

    A good insight. So their objective is to make someone into their chump. Into their fool. Into their bitch. I have never thought in those terms which are the epitome of sleaze and dishonor, dishonesty. They go against the grain of traditional America which was (is?) for the independent, sovereign, libertarian (manly) man and what he could make of life. Yes, I know this was an ideal to reach for. Our movies used to make it a big deal, so it was on people’s minds..

  33. UIA says:

    Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable. Your comfort zone can kill you.

    http://www.success.com/blog/4-tips-for-leaving-your-comfort-zone

    The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war. Get rid of AC.

    Democracy is the process by which people choose the man who’ll get the blame.
    Bertrand Russell, as quoted in Geary’s Guide to the World’s Great Aphorists (2007)

    One of the commonest things to do with savings is to lend them to some Government. In view of the fact that the bulk of the public expenditure of most civilized Governments consists in payment for past wars or preparation for future wars, the man who lends his money to a Government is in the same position as the bad men in Shakespeare who hire murderers. The net result of the man’s economical habits is to increase the armed forces of the State to which he lends his savings. Obviously it would be better if he spent the money, even if he spent it in drink or gambling.

    DIANA.
    Let death and honesty
    Go with your impositions, I am yours
    Upon your will to suffer.

    We can beat them while we drink and gamble. Try the sin you never tried before.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable.
     
    Meh.

    Afflicting the comfortable is Satan's job. He doesn't need the help.

    "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tsdDnJtdQ
  34. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    He may or may not believe it. Both would be newsworthy.

    Some of the higher ups really believe this stuff. Either because they haven’t been looking into it themselves and believe the news or because they’re delusional.

    On the other hand it’s possible he’s just saying stuff because he feels it’s expected of him. That would mean some questions on free speech and democracy would need to be asked.

  35. @BenKenobi
    Something's gotta give... White elites or White masses. The Diverse Horde is just the catalyst.

    Indeed, and some of what you hear from the elites(both in Europe and USA) sounds no less hysterical than government info sent from Berlin spring ’45.

  36. @Dave Pinsen
    They've already succeeded, no need to push. It's available for children in Belgium: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/health/belgium-minor-euthanasia/index.html

    And for the depressed: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/belgium-woman-24-granted-euthanasia-death-depression-article-1.2276577

    Etc.

    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia?"

    Er, because it wouldn't end up voluntary?

    In the UK, the Health Service is short of cash.

    There are lots of elderly white people who no longer work.

    They get ill more and use the NHS more.

    The young (and many NHS staff) are many races, not all white.

    They pay tax to support free NHS.

    Join the dots. Remember the NHS-funded abortion clinics with piles of blank consent forms signed in advance by the doctors.

    "You don't want to be a burden to your family and the taxpayer, do you now, Mrs Smith?"
    , @Mr. Anon

    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.
     
    Because it quite possibly will become involuntary euthanasia.
  37. @Selvar
    The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood--millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can't see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.
    , @Rob McX, @ben tillman

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.
     
    But the misunderstanding comes from somewhere, and that's where you'll find the "conspiracy" or coordinated action.
    , @e
    My observation and interaction with Swedes or people of Swedish descent suggests they are by nature uncomfortable with confrontation and conflict and will simply pretend problems don't exist rather than admitting there is a problem and dealing with it. Wouldn't a visit from Trump be funny?
  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @BenKenobi
    Something's gotta give... White elites or White masses. The Diverse Horde is just the catalyst.

    That sounds like a cue for a song, Jackie!

    When an irresistible force such as you
    Meets an old immovable object like me
    You can bet just as sure as you live

    Something’s got to give
    Something’s got to give
    Something’s got to give

    When an irrepressible smile such as yours
    Warms an old implacable heart such as mine
    Don’t say no, because I insist
    Somewhere, somehow, someone’s got to be kissed
    So, en garde, who knows what the fates might have in store?
    From their vast mysterious sky?
    I’ll try hard ignoring those lips that I adore
    But how long can anyone try?
    Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight it with all of our might
    Chances are some heavenly star-spangled night
    We’ll find out just as sure as we live

    Something’s got to give
    Something’s got to give
    Something’s got to give

    Fight fight fight it with all of your might
    Chances are that some heavenly star-spangled night
    We’ll find out just as sure as we live
    Something’s got to give

  39. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    • Replies: @Lot
    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    San Diego has tons of Brasilians in their 20s, but not many older. They tend to save their money up and go back after 3 to 6 years.
    , @JackOH
    Yep. The Americas have 1 billion people. Many have much diluted and long removed European ancestry. Still, they're much more akin to today's Germans, Italians, Spaniards, and so on than Muslim Arabs and Africans and Pakistanis.

    Is there anything wrong with the idea of a nation-state that's feeling a little demographically challenged to put together a combo of aggressive maternity incentives, plus the active recruitment worldwide of working age folks who can claim some degree of shared heritage? Just top of the head thinking--I could be missing something.
    , @Altai

    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

     

    Shed tons of them in Germany and have been for decades. They have had full right to work for decades. Having said that Greeks tend to emigrate less (Proportionally to the state of their economy) than other groups, maybe their notoriously poor foreign language skills (I'd be bad too if every language around me used a different alphabet) has stymied this?

    I think a lot of American Alt-Right or Alt-Whatever think that there is a shortage of European immigrants to other European countries. There isn't. They are a huge burden for housing and wages in the major cities of the richer European nations and often have lower levels of conscientiousness and are resented, many (Typically from outside the Hajnal line) also practice identity politics and promote mass migration to dilute their unease at being an outgroup. I remember Richard Spencer being confused why anyone would object to the huge numbers of European immigrants in the UK since they were white! I don't think Americans understand Europe very well.

    Everyone who is a citizen of any country in this zone can move to any other place in this zone and work freely and live freely without anyone deporting them. Map also shows how much of population is composed of such individuals. There isn't much movement of 'vibrant' citizens and there isn't a huge amount of non-European white immigration so this is a pretty good marker of proportion of foreign born whites. If you think the figures for Ireland must be entirely down to UK citizens I'd advise you to take a trip to O'Connell street some time! It's been a massive wave, as if our elites felt prolish at having so few immigrants and wanted to catch up. Large numbers of Eastern Europeans but also Italian and Iberians.

    http://i.imgur.com/cISme1c.jpg
  40. @RobertTaylor

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.
     
    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me "aww they don't really mean it, they just have to say certain things". And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn't really believe it.

    Lip service matters. Without all those years of lip service on the part of everybody who is anybody, you wouldn’t have seen Merkel’s Blunder.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    I have heard this sort of nonsense from several DAX30 CEOs in small interpersonal settings, and even if they privately don't have those sentiments, they regurgitate the party line with enough conviction that legions of lower order Germans can only take it as gospel. To talk to average Germans on the street two years ago, you would have thought Syria was the source of all doctors and engineers in the world. There is a reason why history has played out as it has, and that is the willingness of too many people in the world to follow the bidding of their superiors too willingly and without sufficient critical thought or scepticism until it is far too late.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Blunder?! What happened to Merkel's Boner? Are you afraid readers are going to get the crazy transgender posts mixed up with the crazy German posts?
  41. @anon
    It's one thing to import people.

    It's another to import taxpayers.

    Stated a little differently: They wanted workers, they got people.

  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    ‘Productivity’ is measured by the cash value of output per hour – not by paying the lowest possible rate for a unit of output.

    Hence, a big-shot American lawyer who sits on his ass all day is more ‘productive’ than a Mexican peon sweltering in the fields cutting and loading corn all day.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    ‘Productivity’ is measured by the cash value of output per hour – not by paying the lowest possible rate for a unit of output.

    Hence, a big-shot American lawyer who sits on his ass all day is more ‘productive’ than a Mexican peon sweltering in the fields cutting and loading corn all day.
     
    Crappy definition of productive.

    I bet whores are more productive than upper middle class mothers by that sh¡t for brains definition.
  43. @Saxon
    It was only just used to compress wages at the time. Germany had already been rebuilt by the time the guest worker program was implemented. It then ended up being a disaster when they didn't leave Germany and now are a massive net drain, high criminality underclass. Turks are not much better than the dumb brutes from other countries. Their national IQ is barely higher. Other actual European populations would have been the better choice to get people to work such jobs from, but of course the end goal was always the rotten fruit that is being borne today.

    Even the "elites" don't believe this garbage about them being a benefit today. Why isn't Africa or any other place with a booming population seeing a real economic upturn? This is a boilerplate piece of libertarian open borders talking point which doesn't stand up to scrutiny once you factor in that peoples aren't equal and that someone from India or Syria or Turkey is not someone you can seamlessly pop into the place of a German or Swede or Englishman and expect everything to just work out as before.

    The traditional source of imported labor into Germany was always Poland.

    That supply was cut off from 1945 to 1990. Hence the Turks, Italians, Yugoslavs, Greeks and others.

  44. Lot says:
    @Steve Sailer
    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    San Diego has tons of Brasilians in their 20s, but not many older. They tend to save their money up and go back after 3 to 6 years.

    • Replies: @Anon

    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!
     
    The obvious solution is to ruin that so that they have to go back.
    Climate change, make southern Brazil less habitable!
    , @Peter Akuleyev

    Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!
     
    That is an argument for Germany in my book, or the Czech Republic. There is nothing better on a clear autumn day than a good Vepřo-knedlo-zelo and a cold beer.
  45. The Gulf Arabs know better than German CEOs. There are millions of underemployed Palestinian Arabs who already speak Arabic and are fellow Sunni, but instead they import their labor from India, the Philippines, Indonesia, Turkey, Europe, anyone but fellow Arabs.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    They have the integrity to not be complicit with the Jews' campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine.
  46. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    Germany may have had factory work to do, but what is the evidence that it needed to import aliens to do it?

  47. @Lot
    The Gulf Arabs know better than German CEOs. There are millions of underemployed Palestinian Arabs who already speak Arabic and are fellow Sunni, but instead they import their labor from India, the Philippines, Indonesia, Turkey, Europe, anyone but fellow Arabs.

    They have the integrity to not be complicit with the Jews’ campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Yes Gulf Arabs are known for their keen sense of morality.
    , @anon
    How do you explain their readiness to be complicit in the far worse ethnic cleansing and real genocide by hiring Turks , Indonesians , Sudanese ?
    Facts speak for themselves :
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur-800,000 killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua -500,000 killed
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan -80,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict -23,000 killed.
  48. @anon
    Mexicans do a pretty decent job of assembling cars.

    A total of 700,000 CKD kits have been packaged in Wörth and shipped throughout the world to date. The kits are assembled into complete trucks with the usual Mercedes-Benz quality at plants in countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, among others.

    http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/More-than-700000-truck-kits-shipped-for-assembly-to-locations-worldwide-since-1966-Assembly-Kits-from-Woerth-Support-Global-Growth-of-Mercedes-Benz-Trucks-for-50-Year.xhtml?oid=10208502

    Mexicans have a good work ethic and tend to have a mechanical aptitude.

    Saudi men don’t work, In KSA they employ many hundreds of thousand foreign laborers for the hard work from skilled Americans and Europeans for the tech and military gear. Filipinos, Thaios and Indos for straight labor, etc.

  49. @Fredrik
    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.

    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    You don't have to persuade me that's true. The Swedish(and German and US etc.) establishment on the other hand...
    , @Joe Schmoe

    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.
     
    Unless they are teen-aged women who look like super models. You really can't have too many of those.
  50. @DJohn1
    What is the argument against mass immigration absent HBD?

    Simple economics.

    If a large surplus of low skilled workers is imported from the outside, the population of Low will bloat and wages for the native low skilled must fall. Supply and demand.

    Of course, whether explicitly or implicitly, that's the entire point. In the cultural 1950s (1945-'65), wages for the Low spiked so much that servants were out of the question for all but the richest of the rich. Today, servants are back and power mommy the Wall Street lawyer or Beltway lobbyist can have the kids raised by the nanny as she earns her 300K a year for the family fun money fund. The richest of rich wives don't even bother to work after the three masters' degrees, and the nanny still raises the 2.1 vanity children.

    You’ve omitted mention of higher costs of things like land, environmental destruction, congestion and overcrowding. And if the immigrants skew male, many men will be left without spouses.

  51. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    San Diego has tons of Brasilians in their 20s, but not many older. They tend to save their money up and go back after 3 to 6 years.

    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    The obvious solution is to ruin that so that they have to go back.
    Climate change, make southern Brazil less habitable!

  52. @Maj. Kong
    "Experts" can lie over and over, but unless its quite egregious, they almost never face being thrown out of their tenured sinecures.

    Academia is our "deep state", and it needs civilian control just as much as the military does.

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?

    If you’d follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don’t trust them University people too much.
    I’ve written about a year ago, that Steve Sailer outperforms thousands of sociologists and poltitical scientists and journalist professors etc. I think, his is a telling example.

    By the way: The fact, that institutionalised knowledge tends to become ineffective, is well known for a very long time. – Just think of the impululses of Darwin, Freud, Jakob Böhme, Erich Fromm (from his thirties on – he got thrown out by his scientific institute (which is still pretty well known…)…), Schopenhauer etc, etc, etc. …..

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?
     
    That can be fairly said about all of the education industry and even all of the public sector, but the difference is that public and private K-12 education must justify itself to either the voters or the tuition paying customers. There is no "shared governance", even in blue states, despite the continuing attempts of the teachers union to introduce it.

    I'm not much into glorifying the private sector a la Ayn Rand. It might be paying the taxes, but its values are scarely better. And most academics operate under "publish or perish" until receiving tenure, hardly an uncompetive environment. They might be doing work of no real value, but it is of perceived value.

    We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.
    , @Anonym
    If you’d follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don’t trust them University people too much.

    I think there has to be a certain sociopathy in someone who sells a dream of success with graduate and postgraduate work, all competing to have the one tenure spot, especially in those areas where higher degrees lead to lower pay. Who with a conscience can do such a job? It's like Amway but with less alienation of the friends, and more sacrifice of your twenties.

    , @jimbojones
    Academia is insanely competitive, chock-full of foreigners, and poorly paid. It's the rat-race at its worst. It's very easy to end up with zero job stability, no benefits, and minimum wages by the age of 35 in academia. Moreover, except for a lucky and exceptionally gifted and/or single-minded few, the "life of the mind" that one lives in the academia amounts to producing unreadable trivia and teaching grown ups what they should have learned by the age of 15 - i.e. literacy and numeracy.

    I come from the academia. After grad school, most of us hightailed it to the private sector, in some cases after a brief post-doc or sessional gig.

    Those who don't want to compete go to the government.

  53. UIA says:

    “He didn’t know the U.S. government routinely taps calls to the Russians, which is stupid.” Flynn stupid. Expect growth in bankruptcy filings.

    A person beholding the name Flynn or has it within his/her string of names is considered sexy, incredible, … Means you have extraordinary dumb luck. That party …

    I have wicked luck. It’s smarter than me. The witches can burn the politicians. Light Putin on fire.

  54. I wonder what Guy is trying to say by describing immigrants as “highly motivated.”

    C’mon ‘Guy’, that tells me not a damned thing. How are you defining and measuring “motivated?”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "they just wanted it more" sounds about right

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnohhGCNLJs
    , @J
    Die Schichtleiter will motivate them.
    , @ANON
    Immigrants are motivated by many things. Some are motivated by the chance for a decent job. Others are motivated by generous welfare and rape with impunity.
    , @Druid
    Many in first generation are highly motivated. Subsequent, depends on the parents....
  55. @kaganovitch
    They decided to move on to a wholesale model, in place of retail euthanasia.

    Indeed.

  56. @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    I guess it also depends on whether a nation’s leaders see a nation as consisting of things like cultural heritage and language and borders–or if a nation really is no more than a factory or supermarket populated by ‘workers’ that exists to promote GDP, sales, and throughput.

  57. @Dieter Kief
    Academia as deep state - hmmhmm - what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don't really want to compete?

    If you'd follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don't trust them University people too much.
    I've written about a year ago, that Steve Sailer outperforms thousands of sociologists and poltitical scientists and journalist professors etc. I think, his is a telling example.


    By the way: The fact, that institutionalised knowledge tends to become ineffective, is well known for a very long time. - Just think of the impululses of Darwin, Freud, Jakob Böhme, Erich Fromm (from his thirties on - he got thrown out by his scientific institute (which is still pretty well known...)...), Schopenhauer etc, etc, etc. .....

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?

    That can be fairly said about all of the education industry and even all of the public sector, but the difference is that public and private K-12 education must justify itself to either the voters or the tuition paying customers. There is no “shared governance”, even in blue states, despite the continuing attempts of the teachers union to introduce it.

    I’m not much into glorifying the private sector a la Ayn Rand. It might be paying the taxes, but its values are scarely better. And most academics operate under “publish or perish” until receiving tenure, hardly an uncompetive environment. They might be doing work of no real value, but it is of perceived value.

    We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Agree on most of your stuff.

    Don't fully agree on this one, though:

    "We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities."


    Slight correction: We would need... or something like we would be in need of a BRAC like process...

    See - I hesitate a bit more, than you do. Might be, because I'm German - everything is so old here - - these things have gone on for ages - - - so I hesitate.

    Bus as I said: Except for this small correction, I agree on my quote of your post, too.

    The situation is such, that in quite a few fields (some of which I know from insde), there is hardly any competition, and if there is, it is of the very short kind. You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life - and once you're in, it's nothing but blue skies, from then on... (Literary science, Gender science, psychology...literary and cultural (oh my god) sciences - not to forget the quite stron theology sections (theological law...) and so forth (sociology, almighty Lord in the heavens above: The courses they hold: Where stdents don't read anymore - and that is tolerated - where they don't bother any longer to make real exams, but rather discuss something and give only the best and the seecond best marks...the perceived value has less and less to do with any kind of intellectual achievement - in lots of fields.

    It's spooky.

    , @Lot
    No need for something as formal as BRAC. No federal student loans if you get leas than 1000 on the SAT M+V. That would end all of the hundreds of private for profit schools for starters.

    Borderline kids who want to go to college would take high school and test prep more seriously as well.
    , @Autochthon
    Please help me to understand how the Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee would help facilitate the closure of universities.
  58. • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    Short term of course more bodies are better for GDP. The problem in Germany is not just that the population is shrinking, it is that the population is getting older. Old people don't buy stuff they don't need. It is hard to convince a 65 year old to jump on board the latest fashion trends, throw down $30 for a trip to the movies or go to clubs. But all those refugees will take their welfare payments and run downtown to buy the latest sneakers, costume jewelry, trendy t-shirts and fast food. That is what keeps the economy going. It actually does make economic sense for retailers, club and restaurant owners to encourage immigration.

    Of course long term it is just a ponzi scheme, as the savings of the old are being taxed away to finance wasteful spending by the young, and some day those savings will be gone. But in the long run we are all dead anyway.
    , @DJohn1
    GDP and real wages/ income distribution are not the same things. If GDP jumps by 1 billion dollars, but $999,999,999.99 goes into Jeff Bezos' bank accounts and $0.01 gets split between all Amazon employees, you're in a society in trouble.

    2008 demonstrated that GDP has fully uncoupled from the real economy.
  59. @Opinionator

    Rigged: Forced into Debt. Worked past Exhaustion. Left with Nothing.

    Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

    Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

    When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck -- along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

    Talavera was a modern-day indentured servant. And there are hundreds, likely thousands more, still on the road, hauling containers for trucking companies that move goods for America’s most beloved retailers, from Costco to Target to Home Depot.

    These port truckers -- many of them poor immigrants who speak little English -- are responsible for moving almost half of the nation’s container imports out of Los Angeles’ ports. They don't deliver goods to stores. Instead they drive them short distances to warehouses and rail yards, one small step on their journey to a store near you.

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/news/rigged-forced-into-debt-worked-past-exhaustion-left-with-nothing/

    I’ve seen some of this first-hand with the auto transporters I’ve hired. The immigrant drivers live in their trucks and there’s absolutely no way a native-born American who pays rent can compete.

    It’s a race to the bottom and it won’t stop until the whole world is Calcutta.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Selvar
    The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood--millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can't see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    This isn’t just the logical outcome of their worldview, it’s a whole-hearted effort to validate that worldview, which is why so many seem absolutely determined to assimilate migrants or die trying. Plus, if they succeed they’ll prove just how great Germany really is.

    If we can’t be the best at conquering the world, gosh darn it, we’ll be the best at being conquered by it.

    The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question.

    They can imagine it being called into question — by hateful cranks, and unenlightened plebs (who won’t share their exposure to just the most civilized 1% of immigrants), and getting to prove you’re not them must be part of the appeal.

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides

    Absent race-realism the argument is that they are too numerous to assimilate culturally on any time-scale, forming enclaves or imposing their own cultures on the hosts. Contraindications: this argument reacts badly when applied to cultural elites and their minions who hate the stale, pale, and male.

    Leafing through some book called Super-diversity (2013) by some Dutch sociologist, I thought they were pulling a it’s not real Diversity, real Diversity has never been tried on Europe’s failed flirtations with assimilation and multiculturalism, but no, they claim diversity has succeeded — in New York City. If diversity has failed in Europe it’s because there just hasn’t been enough demographic replacement: “If there is no longer an ethnic minority group, everyone will have to adapt to everyone else. Diversity will become the new norm.”

  61. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @anon
    Mexicans do a pretty decent job of assembling cars.

    A total of 700,000 CKD kits have been packaged in Wörth and shipped throughout the world to date. The kits are assembled into complete trucks with the usual Mercedes-Benz quality at plants in countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, among others.

    http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/More-than-700000-truck-kits-shipped-for-assembly-to-locations-worldwide-since-1966-Assembly-Kits-from-Woerth-Support-Global-Growth-of-Mercedes-Benz-Trucks-for-50-Year.xhtml?oid=10208502

    A minor point perhaps, but late-model Mercedes-Benz vehicles seem to be more trouble-prone than those of the 1960s and 1970s.

    In fairness, on the other hand, they are also far more complex; furthermore they seem to be in line with their principal competitors. Except for Porsche and particularly Lexus, which is generally in a league of its own.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Do you think it is worth paying the premium for a Lexus over the comparable Toyota?
    , @Anonymous
    Late model German cars are mechanically very complex but the real problems come from the electronics. American and Japanese cars _usually_ have the best electrics and electronic systems. German electrics were considered mediocre in the old days, Italian and French worse, British worst of all.

    Older Mercedes, BMW and VW cars had a certain elegant simplicity. But that was long enough ago that except in California you don't see them as daily drivers any more.

    It's very interesting to look through a catalog of the tools you need to work on late model German cars. A complete shop level buy in for any one series of Benz or BMW is mid-five-figures.
  62. Here’s an interesting case of one of the precious few who did manage to get hired… as a hair stylist.

    So rare and hopeful that it was celebrated as good news by a local newspaper.

    Otherwise local labor ministry representatives indicate employment prospects for refugees are grim, with only between 5 -10% able to work.

    http://www.lr-online.de/5579224

    [MORE]

    Less than a year later…

    … arrested for slitting his boss’s throat.

    http://www.lr-online.de/6061969

    Notice they’ve used the same picture as in the previous story, but are protecting the privacy of the perp by scrambling his face and using initials for his name.

    Who sez Germans don’t have a sense of humor?

    Black Comedy for a formerly blonde Volk!

  63. @Opinionator
    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.

    You don’t have to persuade me that’s true. The Swedish(and German and US etc.) establishment on the other hand…

  64. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    For a while I’ve been calling for an Aliyah for European-Americans.

    Go back to our roots and stop oppressing the poor indigenous and people of color.

    I’ll be [email protected] to raise children who are going to be hectored and indoctrinated about their evil oppressive original sin & white privilege @ places like Yale, Middlebury or Evergreen.

    The local primary and secondary public schools are even worse. That kind of lunacy at Evergreen doesn’t erupt spontaneously when they turn eighteen. The seeds have been sown long before and the minds are probably poisoned beyond hope…

    • Replies: @anon
    Unfortunately, US Government, which tries to treat immigrants well, does a poor job with emigrants. Americans abroad are harassed by IRS and squeezed for the last drop of blood when they renounce citizenship. Also, Medicare refuses to pay for expenses though the retirees have paid in and are eligible. This is a stupid move since medicare dollars go much farther anywhere else since we have the highest costs. With helpful and cooperative policies, a huge number of Americans will love to expatriate themselves.
    , @Skeptikal
    Nice idea, but there is no right of return in Germany for the descendants of German parents---well, mothers.

    I have two German grandparents, my mother was born in Berlin, forced expatriate, plus, I speak German and am self-employed.
    And the German state will not recognize me as a German.
    But it takes in millions of migrants. Go figure.
  65. Bill Gates interview in the German sunday paper Die Welt from this overcast morning.

    Quote Bill Gates: “It’s not for no reason, that Africa is being called the continent of chances. It offers some of the fastest growing economies and populations and is therefor the key to the taming of lots of global tasks – such as adapting climate change.”

    Fastest growing populations = continent of chances. Is Gates real in those remarks? Is this plain talk – or is there something, I just don’t manage to sort out (=understand!?) ?

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    Is this how it was in the GDR when fantasy had to be sold hard and often, because it was so unbelievable?

    I'm convinced that some of these say the stuff so much and often that they actually start to believe it.

    If you can't change reality at least change your mind.

    Something about the American mentality and its optimism and faith in unlimited possibilities, while often a strength, makes it susceptible to fantasy and magical thinking.
    , @Opinionator
    What the hell is he talking about?
    , @LKM
    So when is Microsoft going to open a research campus in Mogadishu?
  66. UIA says:

    The Declaration of Independence
    in American
    by H. L. Mencken
    1921

    WHEN THINGS get so balled up that the people of a country got to cut loose from some other country, and go it on their own hook, without asking no permission from nobody, excepting maybe God Almighty, then they ought to let everybody know why they done it, so that everybody can see they are not trying to put nothing over on nobody.

    All we got to say on this proposition is this: first, me and you is as good as anybody else, and maybe a damn sight better; second, nobody ain’t got no right to take away none of our rights; third, every man has got a right to live, to come and go as he pleases, and to have a good time whichever way he likes, so long as he don’t interfere with nobody else. That any government that don’t give a man them rights ain’t worth a damn; also, people ought to choose the kind of government they want themselves, and nobody else ought to have no say in the matter. That whenever any government don’t do this, then the people have got a right to give it the bum’s rush and put in one that will take care of their interests. Of course, that don’t mean having a revolution every day like them South American yellow-bellies, or every time some jobholder goes to work and does something he ain’t got no business to do. It is better to stand a little graft, etc., than to have revolutions all the time, like them coons, and any man that wasn’t a anarchist or one of them I.W.W.’s would say the same. But when things get so bad that a man ain’t hardly got no rights at all no more, but you might almost call him a slave, then everybody ought to get together and throw the grafters out, and put in new ones who won’t carry on so high and steal so much, and then watch them. This is the proposition the people of these Colonies is up against, and they have got tired of it, and won’t stand it no more. The administration of the present King, George III, has been rotten from the start, and when anybody kicked about it he always tried to get away with it by strong-arm work. Here is some of the rough stuff he has pulled:

    He vetoed bills in the Legislature that everybody was in favor of, and hardly nobody was against.

    He wouldn’t allow no law to be passed without it was first put up to him, and then he stuck it in his pocket and let on he forgot about it, and didn’t pay no attention to no kicks.

    When people went to work and gone to him and asked him to put through a law about this or that, he give them their choice: either they had to shut down the Legislature and let him pass it all by himself, or they couldn’t have it at all.

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~drbr/decind.html

  67. I wonder would Zetsche tell Mercedes dealers they’re going to get rich if they buy in fresh stock, regardless of whether it’s Mercs, Fiats, Trabants, or whatever.

  68. @Opinionator

    Rigged: Forced into Debt. Worked past Exhaustion. Left with Nothing.

    Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

    Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

    When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck -- along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

    Talavera was a modern-day indentured servant. And there are hundreds, likely thousands more, still on the road, hauling containers for trucking companies that move goods for America’s most beloved retailers, from Costco to Target to Home Depot.

    These port truckers -- many of them poor immigrants who speak little English -- are responsible for moving almost half of the nation’s container imports out of Los Angeles’ ports. They don't deliver goods to stores. Instead they drive them short distances to warehouses and rail yards, one small step on their journey to a store near you.

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/news/rigged-forced-into-debt-worked-past-exhaustion-left-with-nothing/

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Obviously, he must be making up the difference with welfare payments. It’s good for the likes of Costco and Home Depot – privatise the profits, socialise the costs.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Obviously, he must be making up the difference with welfare payments. .... – privatise the profits, socialise the cost
     
    s.
    You've hit it. Unknown to most people the welfare rolls are heavy with people who do work, part-time or full-time but who still qualify for some form of welfare such as Food Stamps (now usually called by other names). It's a form of welfare for the companies where they can get and hold employees.
  69. @Fredrik
    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.
  70. “Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!”

    Hey – eats don’t get any better than Schweineshaxe & Rotkohl, preferably washed down with a good Hefeweizen.

    Don’t sell German food short!

  71. I think fear has a big part to play, probably more than just ideological stupidity. Many would with even the most casual observation of the different countries will know that this blank slate equality uber alles is pure nonsense, but saying this openly will mean you will lose your job and in some places you will go to jail for it.

  72. @Daniel H
    >>When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn’t the worst idea.

    Yes it was. It was the very worst idea. No check that. The only think worse would have been to import Pakistanis and Algerians.

    Without the Turkish migration, Germany would just have endured a generation or 2 of slow growth. Big fucking deal. Here's the little secret Theo, economic cycles are transitory, guest workers are permanent.

    “guest workers are permanent.”

    I’ve been wracking my brain about just how this could be dealt with short of bloodshed and heartbreak of forcible ethnic cleansing.

    So far I’ve heard of zero possible solutions that could possibly be sold in an enlightened western democracy.

    The best I could think of is some kind of lump-sum cash payment that would motivate the least productive and least integrated examples to “return to their home countries”

    Call it “development aid” if we must and wrap it in a figleaf of rebuilding their home countries while returning human capital & reversing brain drain. Call it a cash equivalent “40 acres and a mule…” The immigrants who are rooted, productive and integrated in their new country won’t be swayed by the temptation of a mere sum of cash. The moochers, junkies, and otherwise generally worthless are more likely to be tempted. Widen the offer to any citizens who might otherwise disaffected rabble-rousers or tax-cheats who have no real affection for their homeland and yearn to sneak off to a low tax jurisdiction. Will it eliminate all problems of terrorists or other disgruntled and asocial troublemakers in our midst? No. But if it does tempt any away, good riddance to any disloyal willing to sell their citizenship for a little cash. Finally let’s not be stingy. Get the actuaries to add up the stream of transfer payments and benefits to which these folks would otherwise be entitled… everything from Medicaid, housing & food aid benefits to the “criminal justice services” that are probably a little harder to calculate. By then the expected burden is so high that even a generous lump sum settlement looks like a good deal.

    Add a Universal Basic Income to the context and it’s possibly to make it even more attractive. The possibility to live high off the hog in lower cost places abroad would make it even more attractive to are more consistent with their values, culture and lifestyles. Could really be a win-win solution. Use a little financial wizardry and turn that stream of UBI payments into a nice lump sum in exchange for renunciation of citizenship and expatriation of the disaffected becomes even more attractive.

    Of course many will object that it’s perverse to reward the most worthless and disloyal troublemakers with a cash windfall. It still might be worth it. If we consider all unintended long term consequences and costs from having benefited from exploitation of slaves or low wage immigrants, the costs of that have probably by now vastly exceeded whatever the short term profit might have been. Buying out the most socially disruptive elements would probably yield dividends far beyond what we could imagine.

    So let’s consider offering Mr. Genius Coates his reparations. But let it be a final reckoning. All debts paid. All accounts closed. No further claims or extortion. Those who accept the bargain can look forward to building a new life someplace else perhaps even free of the indignities of racism, oppression, microaggressions and white privilege. Those who decline the offer and stay Americans make an equally powerful statement, one of hope and belonging that like the immigrants before them, they freely choose their identity to be among Americans and affirm its values and legacy.

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they’d launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.

    All we have to do is make the return trip a little more attractive.

    It’s easy to understand that if the unsustainable overgenerous welfare benefits were the cause of the adverse selection of newcomers with the exactly wrong kinds of motivations, all we have to do is turn that motor of adverse selection in reverse for a spell before we turn it off. Instead of bribing the laziest and most worthless to come to Europe and America for all the wrong reasons, we just have to make the bribe for going away.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they’d launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.
     
    Reverse aliyah of Romanian Jews post-war:

    How Romania Sold Its Jews to Israel
    "In 1948, the year of Israeli independence, Zionism came under renewed suspicion, and the government began a campaign of liquidation against Zionist funds and training farms. However, emigration was not completely banned; Romanian Foreign Minister Ana Pauker, herself a Jew with a father and brother in Israel, negotiated an agreement with Israeli ambassador Reuven Rubin, a Romanian immigrant to Israel, under which the Romanian government would allow 4,000 Jews a month to emigrate to Israel; this decision was at least partially influenced by a large Jewish Agency bribe to the Romanian government. This agreement applied mainly to ruined businessmen and other economically "redundant" Jews. Around this time, Israel also secured another agreement with the Romanian government, under which Romania issued 100,000 exit visas for Jews and Israel supplied Romania with oil drills and pipes to aid the struggling Romanian oil industry.[63] By December 1951, about 115,000 Romanian Jews had emigrated to Israel. . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

     

    and

    . . .indeed, by the end of the 1940s, Israel was supplying the ailing Romanian oil industry with American drills and pipes in exchange for 100,000 exit visas.

    This type of bartering was also the preferred method of Henry Jacober, a Jewish businessman based in London who, in the 1950s and early 1960s, acted as a middleman between Romanian Jews’ relatives — who had the money to pay for exit visas — and Marcu, who would take down their names and make sure they got out.
    Instead of using cash, the Romanians and Jacober preferred a proxy and settled on livestock. Cows and pigs. Soon Shaike Dan learned of these dealings and took over the operation (after getting a thumbs-up from Ben-Gurion). By 1965, the Jewish state, working through Jacober (who took his own cut), was funding many projects inside of Romania — chicken farms, turkey farms and pig farms, turning out tens of thousands of animals every year, and even a factory making Kellogg’s Corn Flakes — all in exchange for Jewish families. The export of these products — including, I should add, bacon and pork — produced $8 to $10 million annually for Romania, much needed money for its cash-starved economy." http://forward.com/culture/2923/the-cold-war-e2-80-99s-strangest-bedfellows-how-romania/
     
  73. @Dieter Kief
    Academia as deep state - hmmhmm - what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don't really want to compete?

    If you'd follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don't trust them University people too much.
    I've written about a year ago, that Steve Sailer outperforms thousands of sociologists and poltitical scientists and journalist professors etc. I think, his is a telling example.


    By the way: The fact, that institutionalised knowledge tends to become ineffective, is well known for a very long time. - Just think of the impululses of Darwin, Freud, Jakob Böhme, Erich Fromm (from his thirties on - he got thrown out by his scientific institute (which is still pretty well known...)...), Schopenhauer etc, etc, etc. .....

    If you’d follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don’t trust them University people too much.

    I think there has to be a certain sociopathy in someone who sells a dream of success with graduate and postgraduate work, all competing to have the one tenure spot, especially in those areas where higher degrees lead to lower pay. Who with a conscience can do such a job? It’s like Amway but with less alienation of the friends, and more sacrifice of your twenties.

  74. @theo the kraut
    > I am not saying Germany’s guest worker program was perfect, great,
    > or even good, but it made sense.

    It didn't. Former chancellor Helmut Schmidt made that clear in an interview, the guest workers were there to prevent wage hikes, he thought it was a terrible mistake, so did Helmut Kohl. Kohl wanted to send back half of the Turks:

    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Fkohl-wollte-jeden-zweiten-tuerken-in-deutschland-loswerden-a-914318.html&edit-text=&act=url

    The same Helmut Schmidt allowed Turks to stay back in 1974.

  75. @Anon
    More than 10 million foreigners in Germany

    WIESBADEN – The Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) reports that a good 10.0 million people holding only foreign citizenship were registered in the Central Register of Foreigners (AZR) at the end of 2016. This is the highest number of foreigners ever recorded in Germany since the AZR was established in 1967. Since 2014, that is, in 2015 and 2016, the number of foreigners rose by 1.886 million (+23.1%). Net immigration (balance of arrivals and departures) contributed most to this development. In 2015, net immigration was 1.535 million people. The relevant figure in 2016 was 482,300 people, which was by just under 70% lower than in the previous year. The surplus of births over deaths of the foreign population was 98,700 in the period of 2015 and 2016. In addition, 229,800 people were deleted from the register since the beginning of 2015 due to their naturalisation.
     
    https://www.destatis.de/EN/PressServices/Press/pr/2017/06/PE17_227_12521.html

    Most of them (5,8 million) are not from EUrope and their share is rising.
    Syrians are the majority of the foreigners in 90 districts out of 400.

    If the UK had a Central Register of Foreigners

    a) it would be staffed with foreigners, just as the Immigration Service (or whatever it’s currently called) is

    b) said foreigners would (allegedly) fast track applications in exchange for cash

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3291728/asylum-centre-worker-nicked-for-charging-immigrants-1000-to-fast-track-visa-applications/

    or sex

    http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/668161.sex_scandal_at_lunar_house/

    In fact the UK Immigration service at Lunar House must be one of the very few places which actually has its own team of internal corruption investigators

    http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/4479514.Lunar_House_investigation_squad_bust_immigration_fraudsters/

    ” A crack team of investigators have busted fraud rings within the home of UK immigration.

    Over the last two years the Security and Anti-Corruption team (SACU) at Lunar House in Croydon has secured the conviction of 10 staff involved in separate immigration frauds.

    The former employees have been sentenced to a total of 22 years in prison.

    The longest sentence was nine years for committing misconduct in a public office, a charge which can carry a life sentence.

    Four employees in the Immigration and Nationality Directorate have been found guilty of committing misconduct.

    The offence involved selling either travel documents or stamps enabling immigrants to have indefinite leave to remain (ILR) in the country.

    Jahangir Alam was jailed for 14 months in June last year for arranging ILR for his brother.

    Aisha Ajia was sentenced to three years and six months after a jury delivered a guilty verdict in April 2008 of 11 counts of misconduct.

    And John-Ayo was jailed for nine years in February last year for selling 207 travel documents for illegal immigrants to use.

    Another seven people have been charged or are awaiting trials over the coming months.

    Andrew Pearce, head of the SACU, said: “The majority of UK Border Agency staff carry out their roles with professionalism and integrity.

    “Unfortunately there are a small number who seek to abuse their position. “

    Even the building itself was owned by a foreign (financial) fraudster.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263920/Serial-fraudster-Achilleas-Kallakis-posed-property-tycoon-mastermind-Britains-biggest-mortgage-worth-750MILLION-jailed-seven-years.html

  76. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    Germany was so short of workers in 2005 that (along with all of Europe except the UK and Ireland – thanks Tony Blair) they refused to allow any workers in from the A8 EU accession countries (Poland et al) for five years (by which time there were a couple of million Poles in UK/Ireland).

  77. @Dieter Kief
    Bill Gates interview in the German sunday paper Die Welt from this overcast morning.

    Quote Bill Gates: "It's not for no reason, that Africa is being called the continent of chances. It offers some of the fastest growing economies and populations and is therefor the key to the taming of lots of global tasks - such as adapting climate change."

    Fastest growing populations = continent of chances. Is Gates real in those remarks? Is this plain talk - or is there something, I just don't manage to sort out (=understand!?) ?

    Is this how it was in the GDR when fantasy had to be sold hard and often, because it was so unbelievable?

    I’m convinced that some of these say the stuff so much and often that they actually start to believe it.

    If you can’t change reality at least change your mind.

    Something about the American mentality and its optimism and faith in unlimited possibilities, while often a strength, makes it susceptible to fantasy and magical thinking.

  78. @Lot
    The standard of living for Southern Brasil whites is similar to Germany, with better weather, better food, and thinner and more feminine women. Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    San Diego has tons of Brasilians in their 20s, but not many older. They tend to save their money up and go back after 3 to 6 years.

    Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!

    That is an argument for Germany in my book, or the Czech Republic. There is nothing better on a clear autumn day than a good Vepřo-knedlo-zelo and a cold beer.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Well, Vepřo knedlo zelo isn't quite Schweineshaxe, and Pilsner Urquell isn't quite Weihenstephaner - but it's a damn close run thing.
  79. OT OT OT
    Long New Yorker piece on on heroin and Opioid addiction and deaths in rural West Virginia. Fentanyl is an Opioid. Synthetic drug, does not exist in nature, and 50x stronger than heroin. Yikes!

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/06/05/the-addicts-next-door

    A Reporter at Large
    June 5 & 12, 2017 Issue
    The Addicts Next Door
    West Virginia has the highest overdose death rate in the country. Locals are fighting to save their neighbors—and their towns—from destruction.

    Michael Barrett and Jenna Mulligan, emergency paramedics in Berkeley County, West Virginia, recently got a call that sent them to the youth softball field in a tiny town called Hedgesville. It was the first practice of the season for the girls’ Little League team, and dusk was descending. Barrett and Mulligan drove past a clubhouse with a blue-and-yellow sign that read “Home of the Lady Eagles,” and stopped near a scrubby set of bleachers, where parents had gathered to watch their daughters bat and field.
    Two of the parents were lying on the ground, unconscious, several yards apart. As Barrett later recalled, the couple’s thirteen-year-old daughter was sitting behind a chain-link backstop with her teammates, who were hugging her and comforting her. The couple’s younger children, aged ten and seven, were running back and forth between their parents, screaming, “Wake up! Wake up!” When Barrett and Mulligan knelt down to administer Narcan, a drug that reverses heroin overdoses, some of the other parents got angry. “You know, saying, ‘This is bullcrap,’ ” Barrett told me. “ ‘Why’s my kid gotta see this? Just let ’em lay there.’ ” After a few minutes, the couple began to groan as they revived. Adults ushered the younger kids away. From the other side of the……….

    (a happy July 4th, all!)

  80. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Jac Nasser says more bodies are good for GDP.
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/jac-nasser-the-latest-oligarch-to-defend-mass-immigration/

    Short term of course more bodies are better for GDP. The problem in Germany is not just that the population is shrinking, it is that the population is getting older. Old people don’t buy stuff they don’t need. It is hard to convince a 65 year old to jump on board the latest fashion trends, throw down $30 for a trip to the movies or go to clubs. But all those refugees will take their welfare payments and run downtown to buy the latest sneakers, costume jewelry, trendy t-shirts and fast food. That is what keeps the economy going. It actually does make economic sense for retailers, club and restaurant owners to encourage immigration.

    Of course long term it is just a ponzi scheme, as the savings of the old are being taxed away to finance wasteful spending by the young, and some day those savings will be gone. But in the long run we are all dead anyway.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Old people don’t buy stuff they don’t need. It is hard to convince a 65 year old to jump on board the latest fashion trends, throw down $30 for a trip to the movies or go to clubs. "

    Not in the UK, where thanks to the depressive effects of mass EU migration on wages (male wages are less in real terms than in 1997) and the existence (vanishing for the young) of gold-plated 'final salary schemes', pensioners have gone from being the poorest Brits in the 1970s to the wealthiest now*.

    At the theatre last week I'd say the average age was maybe 65. And last weekend we went to an outdoor leisure show, where the average age was younger - maybe 5 years younger. They were all looking at (and buying, by the "sold" signs) recreational vehicles ('camper vans' in the UK) at prices between £30,000 and £120,000.

    * of course they aren't the same people. High 1970s inflation played havoc with fixed pensioner incomes, but most who were pensioners in 1970 are alas no longer with us.

  81. There are Turks and then there are Turks. Turks from Istanbul make it a point to tell you so. Remember, Istanbul is Turkey in Europe. They see themselves as sophisticated. Turks from Anatolia, not so much. Natives of Istanbul see the natives from the dusty heartland as little better than Arabs. BTW much of the fighting by ISIS is done by Chechens. The toughest men in the Jordanian army are the descendants of Circassian muslims from the 19th Century.

  82. @Cheetah
    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.

    “Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia?”

    Er, because it wouldn’t end up voluntary?

    In the UK, the Health Service is short of cash.

    There are lots of elderly white people who no longer work.

    They get ill more and use the NHS more.

    The young (and many NHS staff) are many races, not all white.

    They pay tax to support free NHS.

    Join the dots. Remember the NHS-funded abortion clinics with piles of blank consent forms signed in advance by the doctors.

    “You don’t want to be a burden to your family and the taxpayer, do you now, Mrs Smith?”

    • Replies: @Flip
    This is why I am against government run healthcare. Treating you goes from being revenue to doctors and hospitals to being a cost to a government, so the bias switches to withholding treatment and letting people die.
  83. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Germany has been a relative whitopia until recently. You are not going to get an education into racial reality in a whitopia. Vermont, Sweden, Germany… these are areas where people have no experience with non-whites other than the martyrs, saints and geniuses that Hollywood puts out. Say what you will about living as middle, working or slumming-it upper class in the Babel of poz, you get an education in HBD quickly.

    If you only see the 1% of refugees as your driver, caddy or nameless peon in your business lounge, rest assured that they are the best behaved and most competent examples. Which is what these German business executives are seeing.

  84. We tend to assume that German economic dominance is always driven by highly trained, high-tech, high-paid workers. Quite the opposite.

    Carroll Quigley in his classic, “Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time,” notes that the so-called German economic miracle … Wirtschaftswunder … after WWII was based on cheap labor as German refugees from the East flowed in under the Right of Return. When this slowed, German industry imported Turkish Gastarbeiter to keep wages down to continue to win the wage wars with their European neighbors.

    As a side note, we lived in Germany in the 1970s. As early as that date, our German neighbors told us that imported foreign labor kept their automobile factories running … that Germans would not work there.

    So, I guess the latest immigration from the South is round three of the model the Germans have historically used to keep their industries afloat and competitive … albeit the social cost this time is likely to mark the end of Germany as we know it.

  85. @Steve Sailer
    Lip service matters. Without all those years of lip service on the part of everybody who is anybody, you wouldn't have seen Merkel's Blunder.

    I have heard this sort of nonsense from several DAX30 CEOs in small interpersonal settings, and even if they privately don’t have those sentiments, they regurgitate the party line with enough conviction that legions of lower order Germans can only take it as gospel. To talk to average Germans on the street two years ago, you would have thought Syria was the source of all doctors and engineers in the world. There is a reason why history has played out as it has, and that is the willingness of too many people in the world to follow the bidding of their superiors too willingly and without sufficient critical thought or scepticism until it is far too late.

  86. Again, I say this everytime, but why was everyone just accepting that they would stay forever?! The premise was they were war refugees. Wars tend to eventually end, then you send them home. Nobody even pretended that was the situation, therefore we all implicitly and in the case of many business leaders, journalist and politicians, explicitly identified these guys as economic migrants abusing systems set up for vulnerable people.

    Immediately everyone was talking about teaching them German, getting them jobs and German girlfriends etc! It sounds like you’re trying to appease an invading horde. I know that’s what was going on, but you’re supposed to hide it better. I think the leadership is just so tired that they don’t even know why they go along with it all anymore and don’t care. They might think if they just internalise the agenda enough maybe they’ll learn to like the new world.

  87. @Maj. Kong

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?
     
    That can be fairly said about all of the education industry and even all of the public sector, but the difference is that public and private K-12 education must justify itself to either the voters or the tuition paying customers. There is no "shared governance", even in blue states, despite the continuing attempts of the teachers union to introduce it.

    I'm not much into glorifying the private sector a la Ayn Rand. It might be paying the taxes, but its values are scarely better. And most academics operate under "publish or perish" until receiving tenure, hardly an uncompetive environment. They might be doing work of no real value, but it is of perceived value.

    We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.

    Agree on most of your stuff.

    Don’t fully agree on this one, though:

    “We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.”

    Slight correction: We would need… or something like we would be in need of a BRAC like process…

    See – I hesitate a bit more, than you do. Might be, because I’m German – everything is so old here – – these things have gone on for ages – – – so I hesitate.

    Bus as I said: Except for this small correction, I agree on my quote of your post, too.

    The situation is such, that in quite a few fields (some of which I know from insde), there is hardly any competition, and if there is, it is of the very short kind. You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life – and once you’re in, it’s nothing but blue skies, from then on… (Literary science, Gender science, psychology…literary and cultural (oh my god) sciences – not to forget the quite stron theology sections (theological law…) and so forth (sociology, almighty Lord in the heavens above: The courses they hold: Where stdents don’t read anymore – and that is tolerated – where they don’t bother any longer to make real exams, but rather discuss something and give only the best and the seecond best marks…the perceived value has less and less to do with any kind of intellectual achievement – in lots of fields.

    It’s spooky.

    • Replies: @German_reader

    You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life – and once you’re in, it’s nothing but blue skies
     
    My experiences have been drastically different, the German university system is perverse imo and built on soul-crushing exploitation of PHD students who are basically treated like dirt. Maybe situations like those described in your post exist (I don't have personal experience of gender studies, literary criticism, sociology etc.), especially for people from privileged family backgrounds, but it's definitely not the whole picture.
  88. @Selvar
    The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood--millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can't see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    Most live an entire lifetime in the USSA holding the beliefs you have just described so well and never learn the truth about racial differences. In fact, you will be applauded by all the right people for your dangerous stupidity.

    Send your kids to the Dade County Public Schools for a few years and get back to me. Reality, it’s a bitch.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white. The "progressive" whites in Chicago know the score despite what they say.
  89. @Jason Roberts
    Remember in the late 90s/early 00s when Western Europe's elites were pushing euthanasia? Seems like they don't do that anymore. What changed?

    Wasn’t Uncle Adolf the first European to legitimize euthanasia? Seems kinda odd how much of his program remains influential among the so-called “liberal” types — euthanasia, environmentalism, corporatism, government surveillance, gun control, etc.

  90. @Steve Sailer
    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    Yep. The Americas have 1 billion people. Many have much diluted and long removed European ancestry. Still, they’re much more akin to today’s Germans, Italians, Spaniards, and so on than Muslim Arabs and Africans and Pakistanis.

    Is there anything wrong with the idea of a nation-state that’s feeling a little demographically challenged to put together a combo of aggressive maternity incentives, plus the active recruitment worldwide of working age folks who can claim some degree of shared heritage? Just top of the head thinking–I could be missing something.

  91. @Wilkey
    So perhaps the upside to Merkel's bones (lol) is that the "humans as interchangeable cogs" theory of labor finally gets tossed out the window. I mean all the other data should have proven that to be the case already, but here we have a single mass immigration event that studies will be tracking for years, and it isn't looking good. If all that ends up happening from this is that German taxpayers (including businesses) wind up seeing a huge and immediate increase in the welfare caseload (and probably another decline in native German birthrates to go with it) businesses may have a change of heart w.r.t. mass immigration, especially from Islamic countries.

    So perhaps the upside to Merkel’s bones (lol) is that the “humans as interchangeable cogs” theory of labor finally gets tossed out the window.

    That’s interesting. Very interesting actually. I wonder what happens to current economic models if you stop treating labor in these things as an anonymous, interchangeable thing.

    I.E., if you assign a “quality” or “productivity” factor to populations you treat as identifiable (instead of anonymous), and this particular trait is independent of any inputs you put in to improve labor (training and whatnot).

    I doubt it’s the whole truth, but closer to reality than what they have been doing.

    In short, we talk about it here. But what happens if you take HBD principles and actually apply them to something like economics?

    China looks more like a Mo-Fo all the time.

  92. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.
     
    Obviously, he must be making up the difference with welfare payments. It's good for the likes of Costco and Home Depot - privatise the profits, socialise the costs.

    Obviously, he must be making up the difference with welfare payments. …. – privatise the profits, socialise the cost

    s.
    You’ve hit it. Unknown to most people the welfare rolls are heavy with people who do work, part-time or full-time but who still qualify for some form of welfare such as Food Stamps (now usually called by other names). It’s a form of welfare for the companies where they can get and hold employees.

  93. @RobertTaylor

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.
     
    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me "aww they don't really mean it, they just have to say certain things". And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn't really believe it.

    “Lip service matters.” Yep, sure does. Overlooked and ignored lip service becomes dubious policy, then morphs into unchallengeable dogma.

  94. From my experience, the Syrians actually are good at labor—hard, manual labor (like farm jobs) with strict supervision to keep them working. For instance, Jordanian farmers have benefited greatly from the refugee crisis. The Syrian refugees have replaced Egyptian laborers since they do the same amount of work but for cheaper.

    Of course, to ensure that these refugees get jobs and are put to work effectively, Europeans would be horrified. The Jordanians kept them more or less segregated from the rest of the population and have “workplace policies” that would inspire images of slavery overseers. As far as I can tell, only Arabs know how to manage other Arabs effectively.

  95. James Goldsmith, Author of “The Trap”, warned us

    “Goldsmith laid out in simple terms the dangers of what he saw as unfettered globalisation, warning of the perils of NAFTA, GATT and the merging of sovereign European nations into the EU. He predicted that the only possible beneficiaries of unbridled global free trade would be the major multinational corporations who would have free rein to roam the globe in pursuit of the cheapest labor:

    “The top 100 companies account for one-third of all foreign direct investment. Now, how do they operate? They’re no longer linked to the United States or to France or to Britain. They operate by farming out their production to whatever country produces most cheaply, where they can get the biggest return on capital and pay the lowest part to labour.”

    The interview also features a fiery debate between Goldsmith and Laura Tyson, then chairwoman of President Bill Clinton’s Council of Economic Advisors which was leading the case for U.S. adoption of GATT. Goldsmith emerges the clear victor, especially in light of the accuracy of many of his predictions.”

    https://riggedgame.blog/2012/12/19/a-prophetic-voice-from-the-past/

  96. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    Great idea, I’ve had similar thoughts myself. Don’t think it will ever happen though.

  97. @Buck Turgidson
    I wonder what Guy is trying to say by describing immigrants as "highly motivated."

    C'mon 'Guy', that tells me not a damned thing. How are you defining and measuring "motivated?"

    “they just wanted it more” sounds about right

  98. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    Couldn’t Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians?

    The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn’t they just import some Greeks and Spaniards? Those two countries are EU members, after all, and both have astronomically high unemployment rates (around 25%). And it goes without saying that, as Christians, their culture would be much more compatible with Germany. So why isn’t this happening? The obvious answer is that there really is no true labor shortage in Germany, any more than there is one in the US.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    "The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn’t they just import some Greeks and Spaniards?"

    We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And
    not all of those who are inclined to leaave home would want the Jobs which are unoccupied here.

    As so often, reality just doesn't fit into the equation.

  99. @Dieter Kief
    Agree on most of your stuff.

    Don't fully agree on this one, though:

    "We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities."


    Slight correction: We would need... or something like we would be in need of a BRAC like process...

    See - I hesitate a bit more, than you do. Might be, because I'm German - everything is so old here - - these things have gone on for ages - - - so I hesitate.

    Bus as I said: Except for this small correction, I agree on my quote of your post, too.

    The situation is such, that in quite a few fields (some of which I know from insde), there is hardly any competition, and if there is, it is of the very short kind. You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life - and once you're in, it's nothing but blue skies, from then on... (Literary science, Gender science, psychology...literary and cultural (oh my god) sciences - not to forget the quite stron theology sections (theological law...) and so forth (sociology, almighty Lord in the heavens above: The courses they hold: Where stdents don't read anymore - and that is tolerated - where they don't bother any longer to make real exams, but rather discuss something and give only the best and the seecond best marks...the perceived value has less and less to do with any kind of intellectual achievement - in lots of fields.

    It's spooky.

    You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life – and once you’re in, it’s nothing but blue skies

    My experiences have been drastically different, the German university system is perverse imo and built on soul-crushing exploitation of PHD students who are basically treated like dirt. Maybe situations like those described in your post exist (I don’t have personal experience of gender studies, literary criticism, sociology etc.), especially for people from privileged family backgrounds, but it’s definitely not the whole picture.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    "Maybe situations like those described in your post exist (I don’t have personal experience of gender studies, literary criticism, sociology etc.), especially for people from privileged family backgrounds, but it’s definitely not the whole picture."

    I agree.
  100. Suppose Mr. Mercedes Benz Dieter Zetsche is thinking of all the Robots he will be installing in the MB factories in the short time to come. Then he might be right. What you then need after installing the robots and your factory is running on robotics is dum employees, receiving the endproduct to be put in boxes or the entire endproduct put on train wagons for tranportation.
    The high skilled employee can go home, he is unemployed and the “refugee or immigrant” is the new employee is the “pride of Mercedes Benz”.

    Your man Zetsche has this TTIP-vision already. When TTIP, CETA will be in force, Mrs. Bundeskanzelerin Angie Merkel can go home as well. From then on the Big Companies run the planet. And we all are the new slaves.

  101. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    “So many young workders died during the war ..” The guest worker program was not until the 60s. The young workers in the 60s were children during the war. A 10 year old in 1945 was 30 in 1965. And there were still plenty of workers who fought in the war as well. Germany lost about 5 million soldiers in the war which includes those who died in Soviet POW camps, which was about 1/4 of the male military age population. So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.

    • Replies: @res

    So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.
     
    I don't think this follows from the rest of what you wrote. If you assume the 1/4 male military age population loss was evenly distributed among those aged from 18-45 in 1945 (not sure how accurate this assumption is), then in 1965 you are missing 1/4 of the workforce (how many women were working in Germany then?) aged 38-65. I would hardly call that impact insignificant, much less "nil." Any thoughts on the impact of non-fatal war wounds on the workforce?
  102. @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    You have the economic reality exactly backwards. Productivity gains stem from high wages and incentives to reduce the amount of labor necessary in production. Large numbers of cheap laborers make productivity gains unnecessary and overly costly.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    That your point needs repeating is saddening.
  103. @Steve Sailer
    Lip service matters. Without all those years of lip service on the part of everybody who is anybody, you wouldn't have seen Merkel's Blunder.

    Blunder?! What happened to Merkel’s Boner? Are you afraid readers are going to get the crazy transgender posts mixed up with the crazy German posts?

  104. TG says:

    There is not, there never has been, there never can be, a labor ‘shortage.’

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-lie-of-labor-shortage.html

    The German birth rate is not dangerously low. It is appropriate to current circumstances. If the post-WWII immigration rate had not been so high, native Germans would have had more children. Just, not enough to significantly reduce wages.

    In the great depression, the fertility rate of the United States was low because people were worried about having children that they could not support. It rose after times got better. If the elites had flooded the market for labor with massive immigration, the native fertility rate would have remained low because job opportunities would also have remained low. But it would not have been the case that the government needed to bring in immigrants because of a low native fertility rate: it would have been that the native fertility rate was low because the government brought in all that cheap foreign labor.

    And it should be pointed out that even if many current refugees are not employed, they still add to the potential labor pool. The point is to have more workers than jobs. It doesn’t matter if the natives or the immigrants get most of the jobs, as long as there are not enough jobs to go around. And of course, taking care of all those refugees, even if unemployed, will grow GDP and create greater profits for the rich – it just won’t grow GDP per capita, but the rich don’t care about that, just the total size of the economy and their share of it.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Wouldn't the greatest thing for GDP be One World Government? Then every financial transaction that occurs on earth will be added together and give us the highest GDP possible. And then, at last, we can rest easy.
  105. @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    Trust me, the Germans know how to make people work to death. There are no lazy students under German teachers, and no lazy workers under German bosses. Those Syrians will soon meet their German factory supervisors but by then it will be too late.

  106. @Opinionator

    Rigged: Forced into Debt. Worked past Exhaustion. Left with Nothing.

    Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

    Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

    When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck -- along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

    Talavera was a modern-day indentured servant. And there are hundreds, likely thousands more, still on the road, hauling containers for trucking companies that move goods for America’s most beloved retailers, from Costco to Target to Home Depot.

    These port truckers -- many of them poor immigrants who speak little English -- are responsible for moving almost half of the nation’s container imports out of Los Angeles’ ports. They don't deliver goods to stores. Instead they drive them short distances to warehouses and rail yards, one small step on their journey to a store near you.

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/news/rigged-forced-into-debt-worked-past-exhaustion-left-with-nothing/

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.

    Sounds like mobster and well-lobbying company tactics.

    I hate myself for saying this but maybe unions should be emboldened again.

    (And quite a few boardrooms should be empties pronto)

  107. @Buck Turgidson
    I wonder what Guy is trying to say by describing immigrants as "highly motivated."

    C'mon 'Guy', that tells me not a damned thing. How are you defining and measuring "motivated?"

    Die Schichtleiter will motivate them.

  108. @Anonymous
    'Productivity' is measured by the cash value of output per hour - not by paying the lowest possible rate for a unit of output.

    Hence, a big-shot American lawyer who sits on his ass all day is more 'productive' than a Mexican peon sweltering in the fields cutting and loading corn all day.

    ‘Productivity’ is measured by the cash value of output per hour – not by paying the lowest possible rate for a unit of output.

    Hence, a big-shot American lawyer who sits on his ass all day is more ‘productive’ than a Mexican peon sweltering in the fields cutting and loading corn all day.

    Crappy definition of productive.

    I bet whores are more productive than upper middle class mothers by that sh¡t for brains definition.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  109. @Opinionator
    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.

    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.

    Unless they are teen-aged women who look like super models. You really can’t have too many of those.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Beautiful women stimulate higher GDP because men have to spend money on them and buy them fancy gifts.
  110. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    Jac Nasser says more bodies are good for GDP.
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/06/jac-nasser-the-latest-oligarch-to-defend-mass-immigration/

    GDP and real wages/ income distribution are not the same things. If GDP jumps by 1 billion dollars, but $999,999,999.99 goes into Jeff Bezos’ bank accounts and $0.01 gets split between all Amazon employees, you’re in a society in trouble.

    2008 demonstrated that GDP has fully uncoupled from the real economy.

  111. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    No they do really believe this stuff, the migrants were seen as the solution to European economic stagnation.

  112. @Maj. Kong
    "Experts" can lie over and over, but unless its quite egregious, they almost never face being thrown out of their tenured sinecures.

    Academia is our "deep state", and it needs civilian control just as much as the military does.

    A great book on how atrocious “experts” are is Future Babble. If you’ve not read it, you’ll greatly enjoy it.

  113. @Peter Akuleyev

    Plentiful and cheap beef and tropical fruit v pork and cabbage!
     
    That is an argument for Germany in my book, or the Czech Republic. There is nothing better on a clear autumn day than a good Vepřo-knedlo-zelo and a cold beer.

    Well, Vepřo knedlo zelo isn’t quite Schweineshaxe, and Pilsner Urquell isn’t quite Weihenstephaner – but it’s a damn close run thing.

  114. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    And don’t get me started with the “doctors and engineers” fable. Anyone who’s been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    You forgot the Kebab Technicians who exceed anything found in Europe.

  115. Ja, richtig dummheit!!

    Does this mean that Mutti is in for the long haul?

    Weh’ Deutschland!

  116. “Aydan Özoğuz”: chap with Turkish name thinks Arabs are useless. That’s my guess at the subtext.

  117. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @Saxon
    It was only just used to compress wages at the time. Germany had already been rebuilt by the time the guest worker program was implemented. It then ended up being a disaster when they didn't leave Germany and now are a massive net drain, high criminality underclass. Turks are not much better than the dumb brutes from other countries. Their national IQ is barely higher. Other actual European populations would have been the better choice to get people to work such jobs from, but of course the end goal was always the rotten fruit that is being borne today.

    Even the "elites" don't believe this garbage about them being a benefit today. Why isn't Africa or any other place with a booming population seeing a real economic upturn? This is a boilerplate piece of libertarian open borders talking point which doesn't stand up to scrutiny once you factor in that peoples aren't equal and that someone from India or Syria or Turkey is not someone you can seamlessly pop into the place of a German or Swede or Englishman and expect everything to just work out as before.

    The Turks were brought in after the Berlin wall was built. By 1947 Russian occupied E Germany was surrounded by barbed wire, ditches, watch towers, well armed guards and guard dogs.

    Berlin was in the Russian Zone. It was divided into 4 zones. It was fairly easy to escape from the Russian zone to American, British and French zones

    So there was a steady supply of labor at all levels of skills. And then the Berlin Wall went up in the summer of 1963. The capitalists swiftly imported “guest workers ” from Turkey.

  118. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    I suspect there may be as many as ten or fifteen million civilized, skilled, highly educated South Africans of Afrikaaner and British ancestry who would be more than happy to leave the hell hole their Negro overlords are creating and hightail it for Europe.

    • Replies: @Druid
    There are about 5 million whites in SA and many of them are well educated. Some are just plain ol' dumb!
    , @Camlost
    There's less than 5 million White South Africans in total. And something like 10% of them are dirt poor.
    , @gcochran
    There are about 5 million whites in South Africa.
  119. Never ends. Productivity has increased 5%! Increased rapes? What increased incident of rape? It was very important that this minor company had an increased productivity of 5%!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    They have secret ways yet unknown in the West to get the blood out of sheets and undergarments.
  120. Here is a profile of all the on-line trolls that play around here, maybe:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886917304270

  121. @Buck Turgidson
    I wonder what Guy is trying to say by describing immigrants as "highly motivated."

    C'mon 'Guy', that tells me not a damned thing. How are you defining and measuring "motivated?"

    Immigrants are motivated by many things. Some are motivated by the chance for a decent job. Others are motivated by generous welfare and rape with impunity.

  122. @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    @22 Sid: “The Turks worked . . . ” Still believe that media lie? Why are you here?

    I cannot find the link at the moment, but I read not long ago that a surprisingly large percentage of the original Gastarbeiters received public assistance from the get go. And, of course, there’s the fact that Germany initially did not want any Turks in their Gastarbeiter program because of strong cultural and religious differences, but strong pressure from their good friend the USA convinced them otherwise.

    If Turks were such excellent workers, Turkey wouldn’t be Turkey and there wouldn’t be millions of Turks all around the world.

  123. @Dieter Kief
    Bill Gates interview in the German sunday paper Die Welt from this overcast morning.

    Quote Bill Gates: "It's not for no reason, that Africa is being called the continent of chances. It offers some of the fastest growing economies and populations and is therefor the key to the taming of lots of global tasks - such as adapting climate change."

    Fastest growing populations = continent of chances. Is Gates real in those remarks? Is this plain talk - or is there something, I just don't manage to sort out (=understand!?) ?

    What the hell is he talking about?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    "What the hell is he talking about?"


    Africa?
  124. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    even if he doesn’t believe it, thousands of people who worship the elites do

  125. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    JackOH: In addition to German Americans, they should encourage Afrikaners from South Africa to immigrate to Germany. They work hard, tend to be Christian, and are from the Germanic culture. A much better fit than Islamic terrorists.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    They look for German models in lower income farm towns in Southern Brazil. Why not look for factory workers there?

    Or how about Greece?

    Shed tons of them in Germany and have been for decades. They have had full right to work for decades. Having said that Greeks tend to emigrate less (Proportionally to the state of their economy) than other groups, maybe their notoriously poor foreign language skills (I’d be bad too if every language around me used a different alphabet) has stymied this?

    I think a lot of American Alt-Right or Alt-Whatever think that there is a shortage of European immigrants to other European countries. There isn’t. They are a huge burden for housing and wages in the major cities of the richer European nations and often have lower levels of conscientiousness and are resented, many (Typically from outside the Hajnal line) also practice identity politics and promote mass migration to dilute their unease at being an outgroup. I remember Richard Spencer being confused why anyone would object to the huge numbers of European immigrants in the UK since they were white! I don’t think Americans understand Europe very well.

    Everyone who is a citizen of any country in this zone can move to any other place in this zone and work freely and live freely without anyone deporting them. Map also shows how much of population is composed of such individuals. There isn’t much movement of ‘vibrant’ citizens and there isn’t a huge amount of non-European white immigration so this is a pretty good marker of proportion of foreign born whites. If you think the figures for Ireland must be entirely down to UK citizens I’d advise you to take a trip to O’Connell street some time! It’s been a massive wave, as if our elites felt prolish at having so few immigrants and wanted to catch up. Large numbers of Eastern Europeans but also Italian and Iberians.

  127. @DJohn1
    What is the argument against mass immigration absent HBD?

    Simple economics.

    If a large surplus of low skilled workers is imported from the outside, the population of Low will bloat and wages for the native low skilled must fall. Supply and demand.

    Of course, whether explicitly or implicitly, that's the entire point. In the cultural 1950s (1945-'65), wages for the Low spiked so much that servants were out of the question for all but the richest of the rich. Today, servants are back and power mommy the Wall Street lawyer or Beltway lobbyist can have the kids raised by the nanny as she earns her 300K a year for the family fun money fund. The richest of rich wives don't even bother to work after the three masters' degrees, and the nanny still raises the 2.1 vanity children.

    My mother had a maid/nanny in 1962-3, black lady named Algertha. At the time, my parents had a combined income of about $20k, and no help from their parents.

    • Replies: @Patrick Harris
    Is that in 1962 dollars? If so, well into the six figures today. Not filthy rich, but far beyond the average household.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Marty, 20K was a great salary back in '63. Your parents were pretty well off. Even a decade later (granted that decade didn't have a lot of inflation) my Dad was happy to get 1/2 that with 3 kids.
  128. A bunch of supposed high IQ people willingly subjecting themselves to be ruled over by a bunch of low IQ tribes out of guilt. The Germans are supposed to have the highest IQ among western countries, at 103. Sub Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 67; North Africans, Turks, other Middle Easterners and Indians at 81, which explains the mess that their countries are in. Germans have been beaten into submission by their Jewish liberal media and academia, just like in the US. They are to pay for their WWII sins to all eternity because the Jews never forget. This revenge will not end until the last German is extinguished from this earth. Jews, Muslims and Africans, the three tribes that cause trouble everywhere they go.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Possibly the stupidest comment ever on Isteve. There is nothing more nor less than the desire of aging sluts, fatties, and dusty cat ladies for their very own cabana boy from Jihad! Rapefugees welcome!

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.

    What? Jerry Seinfeld and Gilbert Gottfried are beaming their mind-rays into Germany along with Howard Stern and Adam Sandler to destroy themselves -- or lots of aging sluts want the female equivalent of Thai underage hookers.

    Heck even the double standard is female standard practice. Women excuse anything by violent dominant men and shriek in horror at a beta male asking them for coffee as the next thing to rape.

    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others. Since they are not they are inviting violent, stupid men to provide for their needs. Its as simple as that. Its why Japan and the Eastern European countries where women have much lower influence (and in Japan are distracted by Kawaii stuff) don't have masses of rapefugees.
  129. Lot says:
    @Maj. Kong

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?
     
    That can be fairly said about all of the education industry and even all of the public sector, but the difference is that public and private K-12 education must justify itself to either the voters or the tuition paying customers. There is no "shared governance", even in blue states, despite the continuing attempts of the teachers union to introduce it.

    I'm not much into glorifying the private sector a la Ayn Rand. It might be paying the taxes, but its values are scarely better. And most academics operate under "publish or perish" until receiving tenure, hardly an uncompetive environment. They might be doing work of no real value, but it is of perceived value.

    We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.

    No need for something as formal as BRAC. No federal student loans if you get leas than 1000 on the SAT M+V. That would end all of the hundreds of private for profit schools for starters.

    Borderline kids who want to go to college would take high school and test prep more seriously as well.

    • Replies: @DJohn1
    Fair testing. How... quaint.

    Take a look at what the Gulenist test prep centers did to smooth the way for Recep Erdogan's assumption of power in Turkey. The Gulenists were a very potent tool for Erdogan; he only expended them after he didn't need them anymore.

    Sturmabteilungs are an annoyance once the Party is in power.

    And the Gulenist remnant runs a lot of test prep centers here in the States. Services they would no doubt be happy to sell to the children of the "proper" people. People who can provide political patronage and protection. It isn't a difficult model to use. Almost every "chosen" student passes standardized testing with flying colors when they walk in knowing the answers. And after you take over the test grading service, its even easier.

    Fair testing requires respect for the rule of law. But there was never any such thing as the rule of law. There is the Rule of Man. The Rule of Man Unrestrained, and the Rule of Man Restrained by Common Shared Illusions. When we think the Illusions are real, the Illusions restrain us. We call that restraint Law. When the Illusions break down, Law is no longer a factor.

    The West's Illusions have been dying since 1914. The process of decay is very advanced by now.

  130. AM says:
    @Nancy Pelosy
    Germans are an intelligent, afttractive and efficient race. The trouble is they are naive and very cucky. They lack the cunning that our Vibrant invaders have in spades. Thwy also have little experience with third worlders. I suspect they will be eatwn alive ax cunning beats intelligence every time in cultural marxist wacko world.

    Germans are an intelligent, afttractive and efficient race. The trouble is they are naive and very cucky. They lack the cunning that our Vibrant invaders have in spades. Thwy also have little experience with third worlders.

    There is one more trait here I think you might be leaving out. They’re arrogant. God bless ‘em, I really have liked most of the Germans I’ve met. But it appears those natives of Deutschland have hard time imagining they could be wrong. (The French, of which I am partially descended from on this side of the pond, have the same problem.)

    Part of the problem actually is they are mostly right, most of the time. But they seem to extend that to 100% of the time in a way that the English are less likely to do. It will have to be obvious disaster before things get seriously reconsidered and I think it will be backlash after that.

  131. @Cheetah
    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.

    Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia.

    Because it quite possibly will become involuntary euthanasia.

  132. @Fredrik
    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.

    But the misunderstanding comes from somewhere, and that’s where you’ll find the “conspiracy” or coordinated action.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Correct. The misunderstanding didn't just spring fully formed from the ether.

    Is suicidal [immigration] the correct term when you have someone whispering in your ear "kill yourself" 24/7?
    , @Anonymous
    That's right, the media-educational complex deliberately obscures or minimizes the strangeness of foreign peoples, and depicts their quarrels and beliefs as being just like those of Europeans. It's deliberate deception.
  133. We’re overlooking a key benefit of mass immigration, which is the introduction of more-emancipated women to our society, which can only be a positive. Here’s a key quote from Sylvia Weber, Frankfurt’s Secretary of Integration, from this Breitbart article.

    “Weber hailed the rate of single motherhood amongst women of foreign origin, which the report showed was significantly higher than that of native Germans in the city, as “a possible sign that female migrants are emancipating themselves. . .”

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Of course, Weber was ignorant of the differences in geography and climate that result in sub-Saharan women being able to provide for their offspring while those living in more northerly or southerly latitudes have considerable difficulties doing so.

    Perhaps Weber should have just gone to sub-Saharan Africa to live.
    , @The Alarmist
    Yeah, as if single-motherhood is a virtue. Another nail in the decline of the West.
    , @Thanks for the laugh
    Germany should import all our inner city blacks and hispanics. Practically all the women are single mothers with 7 kids by 5 different men etc. Yes they will be on welfare but that's not what's important, what's important is that they are *emancipated women*, plus, bonus: they will give Germany many new citizens it so badly wanted, even if they are all future criminals and welfare recipients. The important thing is Germany will not experience population shrinkage.
  134. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In my more cynical moments when I think “no elites could be this dumb” I wonder if the elites of all countries are racing to import the most cannon fodder for the next Great Big War that they somehow know is coming. But even that seems dumb; these days dumb cannon fodder will do as much damage to their own side as the enemy.

  135. @Opinionator

    Rigged: Forced into Debt. Worked past Exhaustion. Left with Nothing.

    Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

    Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

    He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

    For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

    Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

    When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck -- along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

    Talavera was a modern-day indentured servant. And there are hundreds, likely thousands more, still on the road, hauling containers for trucking companies that move goods for America’s most beloved retailers, from Costco to Target to Home Depot.

    These port truckers -- many of them poor immigrants who speak little English -- are responsible for moving almost half of the nation’s container imports out of Los Angeles’ ports. They don't deliver goods to stores. Instead they drive them short distances to warehouses and rail yards, one small step on their journey to a store near you.

    A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.
     
    https://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/news/rigged-forced-into-debt-worked-past-exhaustion-left-with-nothing/

    Thanks for posting. This story needs wider distribution.

    You can see why big business wants immigration: for a steady supply of captive labor to ruthlessly exploit. What about the people running those trucking companies – how can a person do such things? How can a person be such a complete sh*t and live with himself?

  136. @Lot
    No need for something as formal as BRAC. No federal student loans if you get leas than 1000 on the SAT M+V. That would end all of the hundreds of private for profit schools for starters.

    Borderline kids who want to go to college would take high school and test prep more seriously as well.

    Fair testing. How… quaint.

    Take a look at what the Gulenist test prep centers did to smooth the way for Recep Erdogan’s assumption of power in Turkey. The Gulenists were a very potent tool for Erdogan; he only expended them after he didn’t need them anymore.

    Sturmabteilungs are an annoyance once the Party is in power.

    And the Gulenist remnant runs a lot of test prep centers here in the States. Services they would no doubt be happy to sell to the children of the “proper” people. People who can provide political patronage and protection. It isn’t a difficult model to use. Almost every “chosen” student passes standardized testing with flying colors when they walk in knowing the answers. And after you take over the test grading service, its even easier.

    Fair testing requires respect for the rule of law. But there was never any such thing as the rule of law. There is the Rule of Man. The Rule of Man Unrestrained, and the Rule of Man Restrained by Common Shared Illusions. When we think the Illusions are real, the Illusions restrain us. We call that restraint Law. When the Illusions break down, Law is no longer a factor.

    The West’s Illusions have been dying since 1914. The process of decay is very advanced by now.

  137. Dieter Zetsche acknowledged that accommodating the numbers was a “herculean task” for Germany, and that not everyone arriving would be a “brilliant engineer, mechanic or entrepreneur”.

    Gosh, not everyone? How many will be “billiant engineers, mechanics, or entrepreneurs”? Only 90%? 50%? What if almost none of them are?

    But he added that many would be well educated and highly motivated, citing successful examples of migration elsewhere, such as in Silicon Valley….

    Which is why Syria is the dynamic, prosperous economic powerhouse that it is now.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    Syria was relatively dynamic and prosperous (for the region) until we turned up the notch on funding their 'rebel' groups.
    , @Autochthon
    The Santa Clara Valley is a successful example of overpopulation and invasion, and not much else, vis-à-vis so-called migration.

    • The average price of a home in Santa Clara County was one million dollars (the median was $1,250,000.00) as of 2015. Nationally, the average price of a house was $229,400.00 in 2015. Houses in Santa Clara County cost seventy-seven per cent more than the average national price.

    • As of 2016, in Santa Clara County, the average monthly rent for a flat with ine bedroom was $2,361.00 (up $23.00 from the prior quarter and six and a half per cent — or $143.00 — from 2015.

    • In 2015, the average hourly wage in Santa Clara County was $36.43 (it was even less – $33.34 in San Francisco County and San Mateo County; it was $29.03 Alameda County. (The national average wage in 2015 was $22.71 per hour). Nationally, the average hourly wage was $24.57. The pay in Santa Clara County is is thirty-three per cent more than it is nationally.

    Removing all other expenses for mathematical simplicity's sake, the average resident of what used to be the U.S.A. must toil almost nine thousand and four hundred hours to purchase a home; the average resident of Silicon Valley must toil nearly twenty-seven thousand and five hundred hours to purchase a home – three times more. But why fuss over relative data when the differences in absolute figures are so much sunnier to the innumerate populace?

    If you take the reasonable (until recently) assumption the average American can probably purchase a home after a lifetime's toil, in Santa Clara County, the nonpareil example of "successful migration," the average Hindoo can purchase one in three lifetimes.

    It's a good thing the reincarnation will make it possible.

    Mind you, more than five per cent (and rising) of the workers drive nearly two hours from slightly less expensive exurbs to work in Santa Clara, so their woes financing housing decrease, even as their physical and mental health deteriorates, their families never are for want of time to court or disintegrate for want of time to bond, and pollution skyrockets.

    The nonsense spouted about success in Silly Valley is from the perspective of rentiers and their beloved gross national product; it's nothing to do with the misery they gleefully inflict upon the innumerate peasantry along the way.


    My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist! – Charles Baudelair
     
    #toiletpapersales!
  138. If you don’t believe they actually mean what they say at this point you’re as delusional as our “elites”.

  139. @Dana Thompson
    We're overlooking a key benefit of mass immigration, which is the introduction of more-emancipated women to our society, which can only be a positive. Here's a key quote from Sylvia Weber, Frankfurt's Secretary of Integration, from this Breitbart article.

    "Weber hailed the rate of single motherhood amongst women of foreign origin, which the report showed was significantly higher than that of native Germans in the city, as “a possible sign that female migrants are emancipating themselves. . .”
     

    Of course, Weber was ignorant of the differences in geography and climate that result in sub-Saharan women being able to provide for their offspring while those living in more northerly or southerly latitudes have considerable difficulties doing so.

    Perhaps Weber should have just gone to sub-Saharan Africa to live.

    • Replies: @Flip
    The sub Saharan African women in the US can provide for their offspring courtesy of the taxpayer. That's the main reason their marriage rate is so low (cf- Charles Murray's "Losing Ground.")
  140. @Buck Turgidson
    I wonder what Guy is trying to say by describing immigrants as "highly motivated."

    C'mon 'Guy', that tells me not a damned thing. How are you defining and measuring "motivated?"

    Many in first generation are highly motivated. Subsequent, depends on the parents….

  141. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I suspect there may be as many as ten or fifteen million civilized, skilled, highly educated South Africans of Afrikaaner and British ancestry who would be more than happy to leave the hell hole their Negro overlords are creating and hightail it for Europe.

    There are about 5 million whites in SA and many of them are well educated. Some are just plain ol’ dumb!

  142. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I suspect there may be as many as ten or fifteen million civilized, skilled, highly educated South Africans of Afrikaaner and British ancestry who would be more than happy to leave the hell hole their Negro overlords are creating and hightail it for Europe.

    There’s less than 5 million White South Africans in total. And something like 10% of them are dirt poor.

  143. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I suspect there may be as many as ten or fifteen million civilized, skilled, highly educated South Africans of Afrikaaner and British ancestry who would be more than happy to leave the hell hole their Negro overlords are creating and hightail it for Europe.

    There are about 5 million whites in South Africa.

  144. res says:
    @gdpbull
    "So many young workders died during the war .." The guest worker program was not until the 60s. The young workers in the 60s were children during the war. A 10 year old in 1945 was 30 in 1965. And there were still plenty of workers who fought in the war as well. Germany lost about 5 million soldiers in the war which includes those who died in Soviet POW camps, which was about 1/4 of the male military age population. So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.

    So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.

    I don’t think this follows from the rest of what you wrote. If you assume the 1/4 male military age population loss was evenly distributed among those aged from 18-45 in 1945 (not sure how accurate this assumption is), then in 1965 you are missing 1/4 of the workforce (how many women were working in Germany then?) aged 38-65. I would hardly call that impact insignificant, much less “nil.” Any thoughts on the impact of non-fatal war wounds on the workforce?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    There were a lot of war wounded - amputees, etc. In Paris on the subway there used to be seats that were labeled as being reserved for disabled war veterans and it was not unusual to see guys of the right age on the street missing limbs. Russia had a factory that made special handicapped accessible cars with hand controls just for disabled war veterans. There would have been even more but in the old days a lot of the wounded died on the battlefield.
    , @ANON
    You missed the point. Germany did not begin to import the Turkish guest workers until 1964/65 after the Berlin wall went up. By 1964 there was a big cohort of 18 to 25 year old Germans born during the war ready to go to work. Plus there was a baby boomer generation right behind them.

    Between 1946 and 1963 all the immigrant workers were escapees from E Germany.

    And the Turkish Gastarbeiter program didn't really get going till the 1970s.
  145. @Opinionator
    What the hell is he talking about?

    “What the hell is he talking about?”

    Africa?

  146. @anon
    Mexicans do a pretty decent job of assembling cars.

    A total of 700,000 CKD kits have been packaged in Wörth and shipped throughout the world to date. The kits are assembled into complete trucks with the usual Mercedes-Benz quality at plants in countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, among others.

    http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/More-than-700000-truck-kits-shipped-for-assembly-to-locations-worldwide-since-1966-Assembly-Kits-from-Woerth-Support-Global-Growth-of-Mercedes-Benz-Trucks-for-50-Year.xhtml?oid=10208502

    CKD (Complete Knockdown Kit) is the lowest tech form of auto assembly. It usually exists to get around tariff barriers or local content laws, mostly in 3rd world countries. They send the vehicle in as few pieces as they can get away with and local workers complete the final assembly. Anything requiring a lot of capital investment or technology, such as engines or transmissions, is usually imported whole. The locals bolt the large body panels together and install the seats and wheels, etc. – low tech stuff that doesn’t require an expensive assembly plant or a lot of skill.

    Mexico has a real auto industry where they make whole cars from soup to nuts, the same as in the US (except the workers make a LOT less).

    The US has its own stupid laws. Due to the 25% “chicken tax” on imported trucks (retaliation for a European tariff on American chicken in the 60′s), until recently Ford was importing its Transit commercial vans as “passenger vehicles” with a back seat. When the arrived at the port and cleared customs, Ford would unbolt the seats and throw them in the dumpster.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Thank you, Jack, for doing the work Anon just won't do; surely you are a Somali-Guatamalan lesbian and he is a European, Christian male.
  147. @German_reader

    You compete (with other nice middle class kids) for a short time in your life – and once you’re in, it’s nothing but blue skies
     
    My experiences have been drastically different, the German university system is perverse imo and built on soul-crushing exploitation of PHD students who are basically treated like dirt. Maybe situations like those described in your post exist (I don't have personal experience of gender studies, literary criticism, sociology etc.), especially for people from privileged family backgrounds, but it's definitely not the whole picture.

    “Maybe situations like those described in your post exist (I don’t have personal experience of gender studies, literary criticism, sociology etc.), especially for people from privileged family backgrounds, but it’s definitely not the whole picture.”

    I agree.

  148. @res

    So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.
     
    I don't think this follows from the rest of what you wrote. If you assume the 1/4 male military age population loss was evenly distributed among those aged from 18-45 in 1945 (not sure how accurate this assumption is), then in 1965 you are missing 1/4 of the workforce (how many women were working in Germany then?) aged 38-65. I would hardly call that impact insignificant, much less "nil." Any thoughts on the impact of non-fatal war wounds on the workforce?

    There were a lot of war wounded – amputees, etc. In Paris on the subway there used to be seats that were labeled as being reserved for disabled war veterans and it was not unusual to see guys of the right age on the street missing limbs. Russia had a factory that made special handicapped accessible cars with hand controls just for disabled war veterans. There would have been even more but in the old days a lot of the wounded died on the battlefield.

  149. @Marty
    My mother had a maid/nanny in 1962-3, black lady named Algertha. At the time, my parents had a combined income of about $20k, and no help from their parents.

    Is that in 1962 dollars? If so, well into the six figures today. Not filthy rich, but far beyond the average household.

  150. @Seamus Padraig

    Couldn’t Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians?
     
    The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn't they just import some Greeks and Spaniards? Those two countries are EU members, after all, and both have astronomically high unemployment rates (around 25%). And it goes without saying that, as Christians, their culture would be much more compatible with Germany. So why isn't this happening? The obvious answer is that there really is no true labor shortage in Germany, any more than there is one in the US.

    “The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn’t they just import some Greeks and Spaniards?”

    We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And
    not all of those who are inclined to leaave home would want the Jobs which are unoccupied here.

    As so often, reality just doesn’t fit into the equation.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    The Elites lie to the public & to themselves to stifle pangs of conscience. Even if they do gain some labor benefits, the social costs are Far worse & those are externalized beyond the Elites daily sphere and into the future.
    , @Daniel H
    >>We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    You deserve to lose your country.
  151. @Peter Akuleyev
    Short term of course more bodies are better for GDP. The problem in Germany is not just that the population is shrinking, it is that the population is getting older. Old people don't buy stuff they don't need. It is hard to convince a 65 year old to jump on board the latest fashion trends, throw down $30 for a trip to the movies or go to clubs. But all those refugees will take their welfare payments and run downtown to buy the latest sneakers, costume jewelry, trendy t-shirts and fast food. That is what keeps the economy going. It actually does make economic sense for retailers, club and restaurant owners to encourage immigration.

    Of course long term it is just a ponzi scheme, as the savings of the old are being taxed away to finance wasteful spending by the young, and some day those savings will be gone. But in the long run we are all dead anyway.

    “Old people don’t buy stuff they don’t need. It is hard to convince a 65 year old to jump on board the latest fashion trends, throw down $30 for a trip to the movies or go to clubs. “

    Not in the UK, where thanks to the depressive effects of mass EU migration on wages (male wages are less in real terms than in 1997) and the existence (vanishing for the young) of gold-plated ‘final salary schemes’, pensioners have gone from being the poorest Brits in the 1970s to the wealthiest now*.

    At the theatre last week I’d say the average age was maybe 65. And last weekend we went to an outdoor leisure show, where the average age was younger – maybe 5 years younger. They were all looking at (and buying, by the “sold” signs) recreational vehicles (‘camper vans’ in the UK) at prices between £30,000 and £120,000.

    * of course they aren’t the same people. High 1970s inflation played havoc with fixed pensioner incomes, but most who were pensioners in 1970 are alas no longer with us.

  152. @Mr. Anon

    Dieter Zetsche acknowledged that accommodating the numbers was a “herculean task” for Germany, and that not everyone arriving would be a “brilliant engineer, mechanic or entrepreneur”.
     
    Gosh, not everyone? How many will be "billiant engineers, mechanics, or entrepreneurs"? Only 90%? 50%? What if almost none of them are?

    But he added that many would be well educated and highly motivated, citing successful examples of migration elsewhere, such as in Silicon Valley….
     
    Which is why Syria is the dynamic, prosperous economic powerhouse that it is now.

    Syria was relatively dynamic and prosperous (for the region) until we turned up the notch on funding their ‘rebel’ groups.

  153. @Selvar
    The two articles reveal the extent to which the promotion of mass immigration by Western elites is simply a product of ideological delusion. It is common in Alt Right circles to claim that those whites who advocate mass third world immigration must be motivated by a cucked ethno-masochism, or some kind of devious plan to dispossess native-born working class whites. While there is certainly value to this analysis, I think it projects too many philosophical assumptions of the race-realist and nationalist worldview onto liberals. The truth is that most liberals are ardent racial egalitarians and blank slatists, and they cannot begin to fathom a world in which racial egalitarianism is called into question. They therefore view promoting mass third world immigration as simply carrying the assumptions of racial egalitarianism and HBD denial to their logical end. Their internal narrative goes something like this:

    “If Germany is facing a labor shortage, and Syrians are nothing more than genetically indistinguishable brown-skinned Germans who don’t know they’re Germans, what is wrong with bringing in Syrians? Oh sure there may be a few culture clashes. A few terrorist attacks. A few rapes. Ok, maybe more than just a few, but we can’t let that stop us from importing brown skinned Germans and making them a great asset to our first world economy, can we? Are we really going to give up this great opportunity to infuse our society with young blood--millions of young, fertile workers who will one day pay into the welfare system and be just as intelligent and productive as the native Germans—just because the close minded, bigoted natives are afraid of change and can't see the big picture? We must show resolve and not let fear stop or divide us.”

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration? Oh sure there are short-term economic and cultural downsides, but if every Muslim and African is secretly a high IQ WASP waiting to get out after a few generations of cultural assimilation in a First World nation, such downsides are minimal. I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration. No amount of terrorist attacks would dissuade me, as I would believe myself to be taking the long view and advocating for the greater good, refusing to be emotionally swayed by heart-wrenching but ultimately minor and anecdotal tragedies.

    After all, absent race realism, what is the argument against mass immigration?

    If you are a leftist, the argument against the mass immigration of Muslims is that Muslims destroyed the left in Iran back in 1979, so it is reasonable to believe they will try to do the same here in the West.

    I know for a fact that if I was still the racial egalitarian I was six years ago, I would advocate for mass immigration.

    During that period of your life, were you aware of what had happened to the left in Iran in 1979?

  154. The only hope is Vladimir Putin sees how rotten and corrupt and useless the elites are in Western Europe, and how easy they would be to conquer, and rolls all the way to Ireland, driving out all the non-Whites and putting everyone on free stuff paid for by driving out the Muslim, African rabble: free education, free (and decent) healthcare, real jobs not part time poorly paid gigs for Uber, etc.

    It could happen — Europe is weak and defenseless with a gay/trans military and a few Muslims; America is unlikely to defend it either. So that’s the best outcome — a Russian Empire.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Russia is actually a multicultural empire as well and the Russians themselves are a quarter gook, so the mudbloods can't be trusted for anything. The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.
  155. @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    First generation turks worked. Second generation turks have 50% unemployment.

  156. @Dave Pinsen
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/754443638164381698

    The only possible explanation for this is that German corporations are institutionally racist. All those refugee engineers and technicians who sacrificed so much to make the trip to Europe are being discriminated against. Germany clearly needs an affirmative action strategy to redress this injustice.

  157. @Dieter Kief
    "The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn’t they just import some Greeks and Spaniards?"

    We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And
    not all of those who are inclined to leaave home would want the Jobs which are unoccupied here.

    As so often, reality just doesn't fit into the equation.

    The Elites lie to the public & to themselves to stifle pangs of conscience. Even if they do gain some labor benefits, the social costs are Far worse & those are externalized beyond the Elites daily sphere and into the future.

  158. @Opinionator
    They have the integrity to not be complicit with the Jews' campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine.

    Yes Gulf Arabs are known for their keen sense of morality.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Some are, yes, but it is not something the Zionist media likes to report on. But in any case, they are not entirely unaccountable to the moral intuitions of the people they govern.
  159. The answer is simple. All the countries of the West should afford all immigrants the same welfare/education/healthcare etc benefits that their native lands offer

  160. @Kyle McKenna
    A minor point perhaps, but late-model Mercedes-Benz vehicles seem to be more trouble-prone than those of the 1960s and 1970s.

    In fairness, on the other hand, they are also far more complex; furthermore they seem to be in line with their principal competitors. Except for Porsche and particularly Lexus, which is generally in a league of its own.

    Do you think it is worth paying the premium for a Lexus over the comparable Toyota?

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Not really--you get a year more on the warranty, slightly plusher interiors but you have to deal with the ugly grilles they stick on them nowadays. I wouldn't drive one for that last reason alone.

    Warranties are almost an academic issue with Hondas and Toyotas. They almost never need them. With European cars, they're critical and I note that Jaguar is now offering five years.
    , @donut
    '93 Toyota here , knockwood .
  161. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    If I were a young, working class white guy in (say) Rockford, IL with not very good prospects, I’d certainly consider immigrating to Germany. My great grandfather came to America from Germany for a similar reason.

  162. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    Germany ought to offer citizenship to any Afrikaner who wants to come. They are genetically the same with similar culture.

  163. @anon
    Mexicans do a pretty decent job of assembling cars.

    A total of 700,000 CKD kits have been packaged in Wörth and shipped throughout the world to date. The kits are assembled into complete trucks with the usual Mercedes-Benz quality at plants in countries like South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, among others.

    http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/More-than-700000-truck-kits-shipped-for-assembly-to-locations-worldwide-since-1966-Assembly-Kits-from-Woerth-Support-Global-Growth-of-Mercedes-Benz-Trucks-for-50-Year.xhtml?oid=10208502

    How is it kits related to chronic kidney disease are being assembled into automobiles? What is in these kits, anyway? Arcane, undefined acronyms from lazy writers, perhaps?

  164. @Jack D
    CKD (Complete Knockdown Kit) is the lowest tech form of auto assembly. It usually exists to get around tariff barriers or local content laws, mostly in 3rd world countries. They send the vehicle in as few pieces as they can get away with and local workers complete the final assembly. Anything requiring a lot of capital investment or technology, such as engines or transmissions, is usually imported whole. The locals bolt the large body panels together and install the seats and wheels, etc. - low tech stuff that doesn't require an expensive assembly plant or a lot of skill.

    Mexico has a real auto industry where they make whole cars from soup to nuts, the same as in the US (except the workers make a LOT less).

    The US has its own stupid laws. Due to the 25% "chicken tax" on imported trucks (retaliation for a European tariff on American chicken in the 60's), until recently Ford was importing its Transit commercial vans as "passenger vehicles" with a back seat. When the arrived at the port and cleared customs, Ford would unbolt the seats and throw them in the dumpster.

    Thank you, Jack, for doing the work Anon just won’t do; surely you are a Somali-Guatamalan lesbian and he is a European, Christian male.

  165. @Lot
    Yes Gulf Arabs are known for their keen sense of morality.

    Some are, yes, but it is not something the Zionist media likes to report on. But in any case, they are not entirely unaccountable to the moral intuitions of the people they govern.

  166. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…If we can’t be the best at conquering the world, gosh darn it, we’ll be the best at being conquered by it…”

    We’re going to conquer and command the rest of the world one individual at a time! Open immigration! We’ll get all of them, every last one. Working to enrich us. Immigration is a one-way door to the riches that flow to power over people! We’ll give’em each loans that will keep them in peonage! HaHaHa, we’re gonna be rich, I tell you!

  167. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    Why not?

    I don’t doubt that the vast majority of them believe what they say. Multiculturalism is like a religion: if it fails, that means their faith is being tested and that the only proper explanation is that it wasn’t implemented hard enough or fast enough.

    Most corporate executives buy into the MUH DIVERSITY 100% Even if they don’t believe it, they will still act on it, which means it is a distinction without a difference.

  168. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…I wonder what happens to current economic models if you stop treating labor in these things as an anonymous, interchangeable thing.

    I.E., if you assign a “quality” or “productivity” factor to populations you treat as identifiable (instead of anonymous), and this particular trait is independent of any inputs you put in to improve labor (training and whatnot).”

    IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Richard Lynnand Tatu Vanhanen, 2002:

    “…The authors argue that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) are correlated with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). They further argue that differences in average national IQs constitute one important factor, but not the only one, contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth…

    …Writing in the Economic Journal, Astrid Oline Ervik said that the book may be “thought provoking”, but there is nothing that economists can learn from it…”

    IQ and Global Inequality, Richard Lynnand Tatu Vanhanen, 2006:

    “…follow-up to their 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, an expansion of the argument that international differences in current economic development are due in part to differences in average national intelligence as indicated by national IQ estimates…

    …They propose a model of gene-environment interaction in which high IQ leads to better nutrition, education and health care, further enhancing IQ. They also propose that the racial composition of countries is an important factor in national IQs. They base this conclusion on the observation that national IQs can generally be predicted from the countries’ racial composition, and that national IQs of racially similar countries tend to cluster together…”

    Burn ‘em at the stake!

  169. @Altai
    https://twitter.com/Refugees/status/880149066079903744

    Never ends. Productivity has increased 5%! Increased rapes? What increased incident of rape? It was very important that this minor company had an increased productivity of 5%!

    They have secret ways yet unknown in the West to get the blood out of sheets and undergarments.

  170. @Dana Thompson
    We're overlooking a key benefit of mass immigration, which is the introduction of more-emancipated women to our society, which can only be a positive. Here's a key quote from Sylvia Weber, Frankfurt's Secretary of Integration, from this Breitbart article.

    "Weber hailed the rate of single motherhood amongst women of foreign origin, which the report showed was significantly higher than that of native Germans in the city, as “a possible sign that female migrants are emancipating themselves. . .”
     

    Yeah, as if single-motherhood is a virtue. Another nail in the decline of the West.

  171. The key fact about Germany is that in the last 10-15
    years the number of deaths has exceeded the number
    of births by 200 000 to 250 000 a year. Hence in the
    absence of immigration and guest workers the German
    population would contract from its current 82 million, and
    get closer to the populations of France and the U.K. Unlike
    Japan, Germany apparently sees the population decline
    as a problem, perhaps because with a much smaller
    population it could no longer think of itself as the No.1
    country in Europe and could not impose its will on others.

    This issue has a long history. In the 19th century Germany,
    France, and Britain competed in population, and when it
    became obvious that the population of France was stagnant
    unlike those of Germany and Britain, particularly combined with
    the French defeat in the Franco-Prussian War (1871), France began
    to be ridiculed as degenerate and decadent. The preoccupation
    with degeneration in the fin-de-siècle Europe was so extreme
    that whole volumes were devoted to it, e.g., Degeneration (1892)
    by Max Nordau and, of course, Spengler’s The Decline of the West (1918).
    Low birth rates were seen as a symptom of moral decay, for where
    would cannon fodder come from, and how could Western Europe
    justify its sense of superiority over Eastern Europe and over the rest
    of the world? Colonies are morally difficult to maintain if you don’t
    feel superior to the natives.

    In my visits to Germany, although admittedly they were prior
    to the Volkswanderung of 2015, the signs of declining population
    were everywhere, but particularly in the east: deserted streets,
    school closings, empty buildings, etc. Of course, millions of people
    took advantage of the reunification of Germany and moved from
    the eastern Länder to the West. Even Hitler had a similar problem -
    he conquered territories in the east but the Germans didn’t want
    to move there. As I understand, the migrants also make a run for
    Hamburg, etc. They don’t want to be stuck in the former DDR

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany's GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. That sounds like a lot of potential workers who aren't civilizationally hostile to Germany, and many of whom might go home someday, the way the postwar Italians generally went home after saving up their money.
  172. German Vice-Chancellor says refugees are more German than Germans who criticize refugee policy, wants critics locked up. pic.twitter.com/fbaSL5pMVC— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) July 1, 2017

    • Replies: @grapesoda
    I watched the video. He's a despicable human being. He looks, and acts like a live action version of the pigs in Animal Farm when they start walking on two feet. More cynically, that type of immoral beast has actually been selected for in the upper ranks as the lackey of the big bankers. A man with integrity never would have made it that far.

    I mean he could just be happy with his privileged position but nooooooooo, that won't do. He has to take a swipe at the suffering common man to add insult to injury. But when has it ever not been thus? Elites gonna elite. Post-War USA was just an aberration, a blip on the radar.

  173. Good riddance to bad rubbish

    How does it feel? Knowing your statues and buildings will be torn down and built over

    • Replies: @fish

    Do you ifn we dance wit yo dates?

    - Leonard Pitts
     
  174. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    What was the rush? The recovery could have easily occurred naturally without Turkish labor. Japan did it.

    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @ANON
    So did S Korea without any immigration.
  175. Ed says:
    @Sid
    The Turks worked, and like it or not, cheaper labor lowers costs and hence makes increased productivity more feasible. As such, there are pros and cons with it, and smart policy is deciding what's most important, or striking a balance between the pros and cons.

    In contrast, the new migrants aren't working and their "skill set" is not what the current German economy needs.

    Humans are complex beings, boiling them down to some macroeconomic formula without any other considerations is a mistake in leadership.

    The Turks may have worked but are at the end of the day Turks. The West Germans should have made dye without them or at the very least very few of them. Not the millions they have now.

  176. @Dieter Kief
    "The real question is: if there really were some sort of labor shortage in Germany, why couldn’t they just import some Greeks and Spaniards?"

    We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And
    not all of those who are inclined to leaave home would want the Jobs which are unoccupied here.

    As so often, reality just doesn't fit into the equation.

    >>We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And….blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    You deserve to lose your country.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    Foreign people such as Spaniards or Italians or Russians or Vietnamese etc. who work regular jobs, have never been a big problem in Germany. Turks are a diffrent story, but not really desasterous. Germany attracts foreigners since ages. What's a big problem is migration into our (quite expensive) welfare system by people who do hardly any work (and often times even multiply). And unfortunately, that's happenenig big scale for years now.
  177. @Dieter Kief
    Bill Gates interview in the German sunday paper Die Welt from this overcast morning.

    Quote Bill Gates: "It's not for no reason, that Africa is being called the continent of chances. It offers some of the fastest growing economies and populations and is therefor the key to the taming of lots of global tasks - such as adapting climate change."

    Fastest growing populations = continent of chances. Is Gates real in those remarks? Is this plain talk - or is there something, I just don't manage to sort out (=understand!?) ?

    So when is Microsoft going to open a research campus in Mogadishu?

  178. Sorry OT
    Law professors: Colin Kaepernick could sue NFL for race discrimination

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/34150/

    The first law professor quoted is this guy:

    http://gould.usc.edu/faculty/?id=129

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is the professor with the giant 'fro Colin Kaepernick's long lost bio dad?
  179. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    I’m a third generation German, French, Anglo american. I visit my native countries but I love Freedom too much to return. I need to know I can criticize and insult my betters. And get away with it because I have a Heckler & Koch rifle. Cheap gas is nice too.

  180. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Opinionator
    They have the integrity to not be complicit with the Jews' campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide in Palestine.

    How do you explain their readiness to be complicit in the far worse ethnic cleansing and real genocide by hiring Turks , Indonesians , Sudanese ?
    Facts speak for themselves :
    Sudanese occupation of Darfur-800,000 killed
    Indonesian occupation of Papua -500,000 killed
    Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan -80,000 killed
    Israel Palestinian conflict -23,000 killed.

  181. anyone else notice that the commissioner quoted is a Turk, basically talking her countrymen’s book?

  182. they are not stupid, but instead evil….more immigration, more consumer demand, the consumption-based ponzi economy get propped up longer, and the corporations that pay the politicians get richer.

  183. @RobertTaylor

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.
     
    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me "aww they don't really mean it, they just have to say certain things". And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn't really believe it.

    Robert, and Steve and Jack also: Yes, lip service matters, but that doesn’t negate Horseball’s point. The headline says “…are as stupid …”. They are not stupid, I don’t think, and that was Horse’ point. I can’t speak for him, but of course lip service can have just the same effect.

    This guy may be more evil than stupid, because even if he knows that his words are a bunch of horse hockey, he is not doing the right thing for his people and the country of Germany.

    I do think it’s possible that some of these elites, like this German CEO or whatever he is, are really just ignorant – not stupid, but ignorant, which is different. It is possible he has no interfaces with these invaders besides meeting the top 0.1% who may actually know their asses from a hole in the ground and be worthwhile people to know. Meanwhile, this executive may never run into any of the people that are causing, and will cause, lots of grief to the general population.

    Or, yeah, more likely it’s just politics, as one poster wrote about, and he’s just making sure the German government scratches his back in turn. Traitorous scumbag.

  184. Thanks to all for your responses to my comments above. Much food for thought here.

    Allow me to tell a quick parable that was once told to me about a rich man who bought a factory. On his first tour of the factory, the big capitalist spots a machinist making widgets very expertly and very quickly. The new owner asks the foreman, “How much does that man make?” “Thirty dollars an hour, sir”, answers the foreman. “That’s too goddamned much. We need to get a handle on these wages!” the factory owner demands.

    Two years later, the factory owner takes another tour of the plant. He spots a machinist making widgets half-heartedly with many defective parts in the scrap and rework buckets. Unbeknownst to the factory owner, it’s the same machinist he saw two years earlier before he started beating down wages. “How much does that man make?” asks the capitalist. “Fourteen dollars an hour, sir”, replies the foreman. Then, surveying the scrap and rework buckets, the owner grunts aloud, “Well, what can you expect from a man who sells his labor so cheaply?”

    Happy Independence Day, all.

  185. @JackOH
    Couldn't Germany or any other European country facing a shortfall of young people advertise for prospective new German citizens in the United States from among demographic groups that are more akin to Germans than Syrians? Americans with some German ancestry would be sort of naturals, maybe, as would those of Dutch, Alsatian, and perhaps Scandinavian ancestry, as well as the remnant ethnic Germans long resident in Russia, Romania, and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe?

    I have no idea if the idea would work, or if it would be politically wise.

    How many Americans looking for a fresh chance would respond to full-page ads from Germany, or England, or France inviting Americans to "join us, and become part of a great people"?

    I suggested a while back that Germany bring back some of their Amish communities, they have a high birth rate and strong work ethic. The obvious draw back would be finding land that can be given to them, though I’ve read there’s a high demand for organic farmers in Germany right now.

  186. @Maj. Kong

    Academia as deep state – hmmhmm – what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don’t really want to compete?
     
    That can be fairly said about all of the education industry and even all of the public sector, but the difference is that public and private K-12 education must justify itself to either the voters or the tuition paying customers. There is no "shared governance", even in blue states, despite the continuing attempts of the teachers union to introduce it.

    I'm not much into glorifying the private sector a la Ayn Rand. It might be paying the taxes, but its values are scarely better. And most academics operate under "publish or perish" until receiving tenure, hardly an uncompetive environment. They might be doing work of no real value, but it is of perceived value.

    We need to invent a BRAC like process for downsizing the public universities.

    Please help me to understand how the Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee would help facilitate the closure of universities.

  187. @Yak-15
    You have the economic reality exactly backwards. Productivity gains stem from high wages and incentives to reduce the amount of labor necessary in production. Large numbers of cheap laborers make productivity gains unnecessary and overly costly.

    That your point needs repeating is saddening.

  188. @Anon
    More than 10 million foreigners in Germany

    WIESBADEN – The Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) reports that a good 10.0 million people holding only foreign citizenship were registered in the Central Register of Foreigners (AZR) at the end of 2016. This is the highest number of foreigners ever recorded in Germany since the AZR was established in 1967. Since 2014, that is, in 2015 and 2016, the number of foreigners rose by 1.886 million (+23.1%). Net immigration (balance of arrivals and departures) contributed most to this development. In 2015, net immigration was 1.535 million people. The relevant figure in 2016 was 482,300 people, which was by just under 70% lower than in the previous year. The surplus of births over deaths of the foreign population was 98,700 in the period of 2015 and 2016. In addition, 229,800 people were deleted from the register since the beginning of 2015 due to their naturalisation.
     
    https://www.destatis.de/EN/PressServices/Press/pr/2017/06/PE17_227_12521.html

    Most of them (5,8 million) are not from EUrope and their share is rising.
    Syrians are the majority of the foreigners in 90 districts out of 400.

    And by not allowing ten million of foreigners to immigrate from the Middle East, just look at all that Japan is missing out on. Don’t they understand that Germany has it all under control, and that the prosperity of the world’s economies rests on importing more and more and more that have nothing to do with the culture/ethnicity of the nations letting them in?

    Can’t believe that the Island Nation thinks they know better than all the collective wisdom of the EU. Incredible. What exactly are they thinking?

  189. @DJohn1
    The Roman smallholders of the Middle who were the heart and soul of the Legions at Cannae didn't win when the Equestrian class decided to import slaves in bulk. The Roman Middle were squeezed into nonexistence. Most were downwardly mobile and merged with the slaves into a new population of Low, a few made it up the greasy pole into the Senatorial class of the High.

    The Senatorial class bought up the smallholdings for aeses on the denarii, and merged them into the huge centralized plantations, the latifundia. Google, Walmart and Boeing are the latifundia of today.

    Whether by reproduction or importation of a new people, the population of the Low is expanding. As population expands, wages fall. As ability to buy contracts, production will contract and prices will rise. Subsistence wages and rising prices, the worst of all possible worlds for the Low.

    As the former Middle and new serviles immiserate into a common population of Low, the High will make out like bandits. For a few generations. Then they will become too numerous for the few slots actually available to elites. Competing conspicuous consumption will make the expenditures necessary to proclaim High status pricier and pricier. Aspirants to the High will compete fiercely for government largess, jobs and patronage. Entry to the High will become more and more costly.

    We are already seeing this in the Higher Education bubble. Blessings from the proper Holy Temples, sorry... sheepskins from the proper universities... are necessary credentials for admission to the High.

    Eventually the High will fall out amongst themselves and yoke the resentful and immiserated Low in as canon fodder. Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    Conflict spreads. Plague blossoms. Famine blooms. Populations are culled. Wages rise and incomes of the High fall. Government intervention to trim the incomes of the High is common after a society's early phase - in the early phase, bonds of loyalty between the Middle and the High under conditions of constant threat are sufficient to restrain the avarice of the High. Later on, the Middle are largely gone and the society has assumed the two class form characteristic of mature societies.

    Rinse. Repeat. Watch your society go extinct over the course of a thousand years or so, usually. Watch the spunky newcomer society on the block do it all over again.

    This time is never different.

    Great practical history lesson, Mr. John. I especially liked “…for aeses on the denarii”! Now, it’s “pennies on the dollar”. I had forgotten the older expression.

  190. @Marty
    My mother had a maid/nanny in 1962-3, black lady named Algertha. At the time, my parents had a combined income of about $20k, and no help from their parents.

    Marty, 20K was a great salary back in ’63. Your parents were pretty well off. Even a decade later (granted that decade didn’t have a lot of inflation) my Dad was happy to get 1/2 that with 3 kids.

  191. @Horseball
    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.

    They should at least try the minimal level of resistance – say nothing.

    Of course their evil entities and deluded cucks/SJWs out there but anyone else should stfu. All they do is add to the ambient sanction, acting as another straw breaking the camel’s back.

  192. @Dieter Kief
    Academia as deep state - hmmhmm - what about academia as a kind of refugee shelter for those of the middle class, who don't really want to compete?

    If you'd follow myy metaphor for a moment, we could agree that the outcome could be the same in your view and in mine: Don't trust them University people too much.
    I've written about a year ago, that Steve Sailer outperforms thousands of sociologists and poltitical scientists and journalist professors etc. I think, his is a telling example.


    By the way: The fact, that institutionalised knowledge tends to become ineffective, is well known for a very long time. - Just think of the impululses of Darwin, Freud, Jakob Böhme, Erich Fromm (from his thirties on - he got thrown out by his scientific institute (which is still pretty well known...)...), Schopenhauer etc, etc, etc. .....

    Academia is insanely competitive, chock-full of foreigners, and poorly paid. It’s the rat-race at its worst. It’s very easy to end up with zero job stability, no benefits, and minimum wages by the age of 35 in academia. Moreover, except for a lucky and exceptionally gifted and/or single-minded few, the “life of the mind” that one lives in the academia amounts to producing unreadable trivia and teaching grown ups what they should have learned by the age of 15 – i.e. literacy and numeracy.

    I come from the academia. After grad school, most of us hightailed it to the private sector, in some cases after a brief post-doc or sessional gig.

    Those who don’t want to compete go to the government.

  193. @The Revenge
    A bunch of supposed high IQ people willingly subjecting themselves to be ruled over by a bunch of low IQ tribes out of guilt. The Germans are supposed to have the highest IQ among western countries, at 103. Sub Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 67; North Africans, Turks, other Middle Easterners and Indians at 81, which explains the mess that their countries are in. Germans have been beaten into submission by their Jewish liberal media and academia, just like in the US. They are to pay for their WWII sins to all eternity because the Jews never forget. This revenge will not end until the last German is extinguished from this earth. Jews, Muslims and Africans, the three tribes that cause trouble everywhere they go.

    Possibly the stupidest comment ever on Isteve. There is nothing more nor less than the desire of aging sluts, fatties, and dusty cat ladies for their very own cabana boy from Jihad! Rapefugees welcome!

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.

    What? Jerry Seinfeld and Gilbert Gottfried are beaming their mind-rays into Germany along with Howard Stern and Adam Sandler to destroy themselves — or lots of aging sluts want the female equivalent of Thai underage hookers.

    Heck even the double standard is female standard practice. Women excuse anything by violent dominant men and shriek in horror at a beta male asking them for coffee as the next thing to rape.

    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others. Since they are not they are inviting violent, stupid men to provide for their needs. Its as simple as that. Its why Japan and the Eastern European countries where women have much lower influence (and in Japan are distracted by Kawaii stuff) don’t have masses of rapefugees.

    • Replies: @AM

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.
     
    These lovely hypergamy theories never seem to factor in long term longevity of the infant in question. It's like the infant pops out and raises itself for the next decade and a half, no input required.

    How does the lovely oversexed lass in question keep her infant alive to age 5, let alone reproductive age around such a man?


    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others.
     
    Their infants also would not have survived a temperate climate. That model only sort of works in tropical places, where food is available year around.

    How do you propose living with such a man holed up during a long winter? Does he put effort in during the summer? Does he share when the larder runs thin in Feb/March/April?

    Part of the issue in my mind right now right now is that Europe has modified Europe enough to make it effectively a tropical climate to the humans involved. Thus people used to a certain physical climate are making themselves right at home.

    If that ever stops, I think advantages of a supposed "beta' male will shine through.

  194. @Mr. Anon

    Dieter Zetsche acknowledged that accommodating the numbers was a “herculean task” for Germany, and that not everyone arriving would be a “brilliant engineer, mechanic or entrepreneur”.
     
    Gosh, not everyone? How many will be "billiant engineers, mechanics, or entrepreneurs"? Only 90%? 50%? What if almost none of them are?

    But he added that many would be well educated and highly motivated, citing successful examples of migration elsewhere, such as in Silicon Valley….
     
    Which is why Syria is the dynamic, prosperous economic powerhouse that it is now.

    The Santa Clara Valley is a successful example of overpopulation and invasion, and not much else, vis-à-vis so-called migration.

    • The average price of a home in Santa Clara County was one million dollars (the median was $1,250,000.00) as of 2015. Nationally, the average price of a house was $229,400.00 in 2015. Houses in Santa Clara County cost seventy-seven per cent more than the average national price.

    • As of 2016, in Santa Clara County, the average monthly rent for a flat with ine bedroom was $2,361.00 (up $23.00 from the prior quarter and six and a half per cent — or $143.00 — from 2015.

    • In 2015, the average hourly wage in Santa Clara County was $36.43 (it was even less – $33.34 in San Francisco County and San Mateo County; it was $29.03 Alameda County. (The national average wage in 2015 was $22.71 per hour). Nationally, the average hourly wage was $24.57. The pay in Santa Clara County is is thirty-three per cent more than it is nationally.

    Removing all other expenses for mathematical simplicity’s sake, the average resident of what used to be the U.S.A. must toil almost nine thousand and four hundred hours to purchase a home; the average resident of Silicon Valley must toil nearly twenty-seven thousand and five hundred hours to purchase a home – three times more. But why fuss over relative data when the differences in absolute figures are so much sunnier to the innumerate populace?

    If you take the reasonable (until recently) assumption the average American can probably purchase a home after a lifetime’s toil, in Santa Clara County, the nonpareil example of “successful migration,” the average Hindoo can purchase one in three lifetimes.

    It’s a good thing the reincarnation will make it possible.

    Mind you, more than five per cent (and rising) of the workers drive nearly two hours from slightly less expensive exurbs to work in Santa Clara, so their woes financing housing decrease, even as their physical and mental health deteriorates, their families never are for want of time to court or disintegrate for want of time to bond, and pollution skyrockets.

    The nonsense spouted about success in Silly Valley is from the perspective of rentiers and their beloved gross national product; it’s nothing to do with the misery they gleefully inflict upon the innumerate peasantry along the way.

    My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist! – Charles Baudelair

    #toiletpapersales!

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    (The national average hourly wage in 2015 was $24.57; I overlooked an error made as I was computing data and editing the text before I finalised it.)
    , @Romanian
    You made a mistake with the average price of a home - it's 334% larger in Santa Clara than in the rest of the country.
  195. ANON • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    So by the 60s, the impact of the war on worker population was nil.
     
    I don't think this follows from the rest of what you wrote. If you assume the 1/4 male military age population loss was evenly distributed among those aged from 18-45 in 1945 (not sure how accurate this assumption is), then in 1965 you are missing 1/4 of the workforce (how many women were working in Germany then?) aged 38-65. I would hardly call that impact insignificant, much less "nil." Any thoughts on the impact of non-fatal war wounds on the workforce?

    You missed the point. Germany did not begin to import the Turkish guest workers until 1964/65 after the Berlin wall went up. By 1964 there was a big cohort of 18 to 25 year old Germans born during the war ready to go to work. Plus there was a baby boomer generation right behind them.

    Between 1946 and 1963 all the immigrant workers were escapees from E Germany.

    And the Turkish Gastarbeiter program didn’t really get going till the 1970s.

    • Replies: @res
    First, let's make this discussion more concrete: http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/germany-population-pyramid

    You make good points. I did not miss the point (you'll notice I did not dispute the rest of the comment), I just called out what I still think was a hyperbolic conclusion.
  196. @Ed
    What was the rush? The recovery could have easily occurred naturally without Turkish labor. Japan did it.

    So did S Korea without any immigration.

  197. You know my friends that the donut is a crackpot , right ? But once inadvertently I stumbled into Hell . Not no figurative Hell , but the honest to god for real Hell . And you can believe it or not but I spent a timeless eternity there . And there in the depths of my terror and despair mercy , compassion or what ever came and led me out . So I guess what I want to say is despair is the greatest sin .

  198. @EriK
    Sorry OT
    Law professors: Colin Kaepernick could sue NFL for race discrimination
    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/34150/

    The first law professor quoted is this guy:
    http://gould.usc.edu/faculty/?id=129

    Is the professor with the giant ‘fro Colin Kaepernick’s long lost bio dad?

    • Replies: @EriK

    Is the professor with the giant ‘fro Colin Kaepernick’s long lost bio dad?
     
    Too good to check so let's just say yes.
  199. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kyle McKenna
    A minor point perhaps, but late-model Mercedes-Benz vehicles seem to be more trouble-prone than those of the 1960s and 1970s.

    In fairness, on the other hand, they are also far more complex; furthermore they seem to be in line with their principal competitors. Except for Porsche and particularly Lexus, which is generally in a league of its own.

    Late model German cars are mechanically very complex but the real problems come from the electronics. American and Japanese cars _usually_ have the best electrics and electronic systems. German electrics were considered mediocre in the old days, Italian and French worse, British worst of all.

    Older Mercedes, BMW and VW cars had a certain elegant simplicity. But that was long enough ago that except in California you don’t see them as daily drivers any more.

    It’s very interesting to look through a catalog of the tools you need to work on late model German cars. A complete shop level buy in for any one series of Benz or BMW is mid-five-figures.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    Right you are, in every respect. I'd only add that Mercedes, BMW et al are often sourcing their electronic components from the same producers (usually Asian) as other makers. They've had a heck of a time keeping said suppliers up to the standards they expect of themselves, generally speaking.

    For what some of the cars cost, you'd think they'd manage the issue a bit better. Sadly, though, if a component fails after the factory warranty is expired they consider it a 'win'.

  200. @Anon 2
    The key fact about Germany is that in the last 10-15
    years the number of deaths has exceeded the number
    of births by 200 000 to 250 000 a year. Hence in the
    absence of immigration and guest workers the German
    population would contract from its current 82 million, and
    get closer to the populations of France and the U.K. Unlike
    Japan, Germany apparently sees the population decline
    as a problem, perhaps because with a much smaller
    population it could no longer think of itself as the No.1
    country in Europe and could not impose its will on others.

    This issue has a long history. In the 19th century Germany,
    France, and Britain competed in population, and when it
    became obvious that the population of France was stagnant
    unlike those of Germany and Britain, particularly combined with
    the French defeat in the Franco-Prussian War (1871), France began
    to be ridiculed as degenerate and decadent. The preoccupation
    with degeneration in the fin-de-siècle Europe was so extreme
    that whole volumes were devoted to it, e.g., Degeneration (1892)
    by Max Nordau and, of course, Spengler's The Decline of the West (1918).
    Low birth rates were seen as a symptom of moral decay, for where
    would cannon fodder come from, and how could Western Europe
    justify its sense of superiority over Eastern Europe and over the rest
    of the world? Colonies are morally difficult to maintain if you don't
    feel superior to the natives.

    In my visits to Germany, although admittedly they were prior
    to the Volkswanderung of 2015, the signs of declining population
    were everywhere, but particularly in the east: deserted streets,
    school closings, empty buildings, etc. Of course, millions of people
    took advantage of the reunification of Germany and moved from
    the eastern Länder to the West. Even Hitler had a similar problem -
    he conquered territories in the east but the Germans didn't want
    to move there. As I understand, the migrants also make a run for
    Hamburg, etc. They don't want to be stuck in the former DDR

    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. That sounds like a lot of potential workers who aren’t civilizationally hostile to Germany, and many of whom might go home someday, the way the postwar Italians generally went home after saving up their money.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don't want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based - along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.
    , @Lot
    Germany does not have a labor shortage.

    Ukrainians are leaving at a fair rate to anywhere that will take them.

    Slovenia's living standards are comparable to Germany's.
  201. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    For a while I've been calling for an Aliyah for European-Americans.

    Go back to our roots and stop oppressing the poor indigenous and people of color.

    I'll be [email protected] to raise children who are going to be hectored and indoctrinated about their evil oppressive original sin & white privilege @ places like Yale, Middlebury or Evergreen.

    The local primary and secondary public schools are even worse. That kind of lunacy at Evergreen doesn't erupt spontaneously when they turn eighteen. The seeds have been sown long before and the minds are probably poisoned beyond hope...

    Unfortunately, US Government, which tries to treat immigrants well, does a poor job with emigrants. Americans abroad are harassed by IRS and squeezed for the last drop of blood when they renounce citizenship. Also, Medicare refuses to pay for expenses though the retirees have paid in and are eligible. This is a stupid move since medicare dollars go much farther anywhere else since we have the highest costs. With helpful and cooperative policies, a huge number of Americans will love to expatriate themselves.

  202. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    "guest workers are permanent."

    I've been wracking my brain about just how this could be dealt with short of bloodshed and heartbreak of forcible ethnic cleansing.

    So far I've heard of zero possible solutions that could possibly be sold in an enlightened western democracy.

    The best I could think of is some kind of lump-sum cash payment that would motivate the least productive and least integrated examples to "return to their home countries"

    Call it "development aid" if we must and wrap it in a figleaf of rebuilding their home countries while returning human capital & reversing brain drain. Call it a cash equivalent "40 acres and a mule..." The immigrants who are rooted, productive and integrated in their new country won't be swayed by the temptation of a mere sum of cash. The moochers, junkies, and otherwise generally worthless are more likely to be tempted. Widen the offer to any citizens who might otherwise disaffected rabble-rousers or tax-cheats who have no real affection for their homeland and yearn to sneak off to a low tax jurisdiction. Will it eliminate all problems of terrorists or other disgruntled and asocial troublemakers in our midst? No. But if it does tempt any away, good riddance to any disloyal willing to sell their citizenship for a little cash. Finally let's not be stingy. Get the actuaries to add up the stream of transfer payments and benefits to which these folks would otherwise be entitled... everything from Medicaid, housing & food aid benefits to the "criminal justice services" that are probably a little harder to calculate. By then the expected burden is so high that even a generous lump sum settlement looks like a good deal.

    Add a Universal Basic Income to the context and it's possibly to make it even more attractive. The possibility to live high off the hog in lower cost places abroad would make it even more attractive to are more consistent with their values, culture and lifestyles. Could really be a win-win solution. Use a little financial wizardry and turn that stream of UBI payments into a nice lump sum in exchange for renunciation of citizenship and expatriation of the disaffected becomes even more attractive.

    Of course many will object that it's perverse to reward the most worthless and disloyal troublemakers with a cash windfall. It still might be worth it. If we consider all unintended long term consequences and costs from having benefited from exploitation of slaves or low wage immigrants, the costs of that have probably by now vastly exceeded whatever the short term profit might have been. Buying out the most socially disruptive elements would probably yield dividends far beyond what we could imagine.

    So let's consider offering Mr. Genius Coates his reparations. But let it be a final reckoning. All debts paid. All accounts closed. No further claims or extortion. Those who accept the bargain can look forward to building a new life someplace else perhaps even free of the indignities of racism, oppression, microaggressions and white privilege. Those who decline the offer and stay Americans make an equally powerful statement, one of hope and belonging that like the immigrants before them, they freely choose their identity to be among Americans and affirm its values and legacy.

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they'd launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.

    All we have to do is make the return trip a little more attractive.

    It's easy to understand that if the unsustainable overgenerous welfare benefits were the cause of the adverse selection of newcomers with the exactly wrong kinds of motivations, all we have to do is turn that motor of adverse selection in reverse for a spell before we turn it off. Instead of bribing the laziest and most worthless to come to Europe and America for all the wrong reasons, we just have to make the bribe for going away.

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they’d launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.

    Reverse aliyah of Romanian Jews post-war:

    How Romania Sold Its Jews to Israel
    “In 1948, the year of Israeli independence, Zionism came under renewed suspicion, and the government began a campaign of liquidation against Zionist funds and training farms. However, emigration was not completely banned; Romanian Foreign Minister Ana Pauker, herself a Jew with a father and brother in Israel, negotiated an agreement with Israeli ambassador Reuven Rubin, a Romanian immigrant to Israel, under which the Romanian government would allow 4,000 Jews a month to emigrate to Israel; this decision was at least partially influenced by a large Jewish Agency bribe to the Romanian government. This agreement applied mainly to ruined businessmen and other economically “redundant” Jews. Around this time, Israel also secured another agreement with the Romanian government, under which Romania issued 100,000 exit visas for Jews and Israel supplied Romania with oil drills and pipes to aid the struggling Romanian oil industry.[63] By December 1951, about 115,000 Romanian Jews had emigrated to Israel. . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

    and

    . . .indeed, by the end of the 1940s, Israel was supplying the ailing Romanian oil industry with American drills and pipes in exchange for 100,000 exit visas.

    This type of bartering was also the preferred method of Henry Jacober, a Jewish businessman based in London who, in the 1950s and early 1960s, acted as a middleman between Romanian Jews’ relatives — who had the money to pay for exit visas — and Marcu, who would take down their names and make sure they got out.
    Instead of using cash, the Romanians and Jacober preferred a proxy and settled on livestock. Cows and pigs. Soon Shaike Dan learned of these dealings and took over the operation (after getting a thumbs-up from Ben-Gurion). By 1965, the Jewish state, working through Jacober (who took his own cut), was funding many projects inside of Romania — chicken farms, turkey farms and pig farms, turning out tens of thousands of animals every year, and even a factory making Kellogg’s Corn Flakes — all in exchange for Jewish families. The export of these products — including, I should add, bacon and pork — produced $8 to $10 million annually for Romania, much needed money for its cash-starved economy.” http://forward.com/culture/2923/the-cold-war-e2-80-99s-strangest-bedfellows-how-romania/

    • Replies: @Romanian
    Interesting. I knew the basic gist, but these are nice details. We did a similar thing with our German population that went to West Germany.
  203. @Autochthon
    The Santa Clara Valley is a successful example of overpopulation and invasion, and not much else, vis-à-vis so-called migration.

    • The average price of a home in Santa Clara County was one million dollars (the median was $1,250,000.00) as of 2015. Nationally, the average price of a house was $229,400.00 in 2015. Houses in Santa Clara County cost seventy-seven per cent more than the average national price.

    • As of 2016, in Santa Clara County, the average monthly rent for a flat with ine bedroom was $2,361.00 (up $23.00 from the prior quarter and six and a half per cent — or $143.00 — from 2015.

    • In 2015, the average hourly wage in Santa Clara County was $36.43 (it was even less – $33.34 in San Francisco County and San Mateo County; it was $29.03 Alameda County. (The national average wage in 2015 was $22.71 per hour). Nationally, the average hourly wage was $24.57. The pay in Santa Clara County is is thirty-three per cent more than it is nationally.

    Removing all other expenses for mathematical simplicity's sake, the average resident of what used to be the U.S.A. must toil almost nine thousand and four hundred hours to purchase a home; the average resident of Silicon Valley must toil nearly twenty-seven thousand and five hundred hours to purchase a home – three times more. But why fuss over relative data when the differences in absolute figures are so much sunnier to the innumerate populace?

    If you take the reasonable (until recently) assumption the average American can probably purchase a home after a lifetime's toil, in Santa Clara County, the nonpareil example of "successful migration," the average Hindoo can purchase one in three lifetimes.

    It's a good thing the reincarnation will make it possible.

    Mind you, more than five per cent (and rising) of the workers drive nearly two hours from slightly less expensive exurbs to work in Santa Clara, so their woes financing housing decrease, even as their physical and mental health deteriorates, their families never are for want of time to court or disintegrate for want of time to bond, and pollution skyrockets.

    The nonsense spouted about success in Silly Valley is from the perspective of rentiers and their beloved gross national product; it's nothing to do with the misery they gleefully inflict upon the innumerate peasantry along the way.


    My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist! – Charles Baudelair
     
    #toiletpapersales!

    (The national average hourly wage in 2015 was $24.57; I overlooked an error made as I was computing data and editing the text before I finalised it.)

  204. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Flip
    Do you think it is worth paying the premium for a Lexus over the comparable Toyota?

    Not really–you get a year more on the warranty, slightly plusher interiors but you have to deal with the ugly grilles they stick on them nowadays. I wouldn’t drive one for that last reason alone.

    Warranties are almost an academic issue with Hondas and Toyotas. They almost never need them. With European cars, they’re critical and I note that Jaguar is now offering five years.

  205. @TG
    There is not, there never has been, there never can be, a labor 'shortage.'

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-lie-of-labor-shortage.html

    The German birth rate is not dangerously low. It is appropriate to current circumstances. If the post-WWII immigration rate had not been so high, native Germans would have had more children. Just, not enough to significantly reduce wages.

    In the great depression, the fertility rate of the United States was low because people were worried about having children that they could not support. It rose after times got better. If the elites had flooded the market for labor with massive immigration, the native fertility rate would have remained low because job opportunities would also have remained low. But it would not have been the case that the government needed to bring in immigrants because of a low native fertility rate: it would have been that the native fertility rate was low because the government brought in all that cheap foreign labor.

    And it should be pointed out that even if many current refugees are not employed, they still add to the potential labor pool. The point is to have more workers than jobs. It doesn't matter if the natives or the immigrants get most of the jobs, as long as there are not enough jobs to go around. And of course, taking care of all those refugees, even if unemployed, will grow GDP and create greater profits for the rich - it just won't grow GDP per capita, but the rich don't care about that, just the total size of the economy and their share of it.

    Wouldn’t the greatest thing for GDP be One World Government? Then every financial transaction that occurs on earth will be added together and give us the highest GDP possible. And then, at last, we can rest easy.

  206. @Joe Schmoe

    Look, even if they were similar to you genetically and wanted to be like you culturally, importing more people into your habitat would be a bad idea.
     
    Unless they are teen-aged women who look like super models. You really can't have too many of those.

    Beautiful women stimulate higher GDP because men have to spend money on them and buy them fancy gifts.

  207. @Daniel H
    Germans have never figured out that Arabs and arabized Africans are about the laziest men in God's creation. The very last thing an Arab man wants to do is lift a finger to do anything, hence the appeal of polygamy. When an Arab man is ultimately compelled to work, he pools together enough welfare money from his wives and children buys a ratty cab, or opens up a barber shop, a shabby dry goods store or maybe a coffee shop, all the while having illegal minion do the labor. That is the extent of his ambition.

    I read somewhere that even ISIS was complaining about the sheer laziness of Syrian men.

    This is the material with which German will retain its industrial empire?

    Abdulfattah Jandali is a Syrian who earned a Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of Wisconsin. He used this Ph.D. to become a restaurateur in Silicon Valley.

    Why am I mentioning him? He is the birth father of Steve Jobs.

  208. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the real purpose of Turkish immigration was to remove Turkey’s “youth bulge” (Turkey was rocked by social unrest in the 60-70s) so it wouldn’t go Commie or something.

    I do believe much of mass immigration to the West was essentially Cold War America Russia-proofing 2nd and 3rd World countries.

  209. @Tiny Duck
    Good riddance to bad rubbish

    How does it feel? Knowing your statues and buildings will be torn down and built over

    Do you ifn we dance wit yo dates?

    - Leonard Pitts

  210. Even without going outside the EU, the population of the Three Seas
    Countries, for example, is about 110 million. While visiting Warsaw on July 5,
    Trump will also attend the Three Seas Summit presided over by Poland’s
    president Duda. The Amber Road, an expressway running from Estonia,
    through Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria,
    all the way to Greece, i.e., connecting the Baltic to the Mediterranean, will
    be one topic of discussion. In general, Europe needs vertical energy integration,
    connecting the north and the south. Hence an LNG terminal on the Adriatic
    will also be discussed. The United States is moving aggressively to supply
    the energy needs of Central Europe, and make that area less dependent
    on Russia.

    Actually Germany already has a lot of workers from the Three Seas countries.
    How many Ukrainians employed in Poland will go to Germany, now
    that Ukraine got visa-free travel in the EU, is a good question. That would
    depend on the size of the German black and gray market, because the visas
    are designed for tourists, but technically the Ukrainians could also seek very short
    and illegal employment in Germany.

    Western Europeans are suspicious of the Three Seas Initiative (which unlike
    the Visegrad Group also includes Austria) but they can’t stop the fact that with
    Britain out of the EU its center of gravity will be shifting east. Whether Poland
    is consciously trying to resurrect the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that
    for 250 years, until the late 18th century, stretched from sea to shining sea,
    or even Marshal Pilsudski’s idea of the Intermarium from the 1920s, is being
    currently debated. It’s definitely trying to become the banking, finance, and
    logistics center for Central Europe, and it is attracting workers from western
    Ukraine and Belarus, i.e., former members of the Commonwealth. By the way,
    Poland’s economy has been growing at almost the rate of South Korea in the
    last 15-20 years.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Międzymorze (Intermarium) was a pipe dream that got nowhere. Post Communist Poland is thriving but Poland is never going to be a great power again. As always it is stuck between Russia and Germany, both of whom will knock an overambitious Poland down if it sticks its head up too high. Empire is usually a bad idea anyway. Poland should be happy with its current status where as you say they are doing quite nicely.
  211. @ben tillman

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.
     
    But the misunderstanding comes from somewhere, and that's where you'll find the "conspiracy" or coordinated action.

    Correct. The misunderstanding didn’t just spring fully formed from the ether.

    Is suicidal [immigration] the correct term when you have someone whispering in your ear “kill yourself” 24/7?

  212. Kyle McKenna [AKA "Mika-Non"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Late model German cars are mechanically very complex but the real problems come from the electronics. American and Japanese cars _usually_ have the best electrics and electronic systems. German electrics were considered mediocre in the old days, Italian and French worse, British worst of all.

    Older Mercedes, BMW and VW cars had a certain elegant simplicity. But that was long enough ago that except in California you don't see them as daily drivers any more.

    It's very interesting to look through a catalog of the tools you need to work on late model German cars. A complete shop level buy in for any one series of Benz or BMW is mid-five-figures.

    Right you are, in every respect. I’d only add that Mercedes, BMW et al are often sourcing their electronic components from the same producers (usually Asian) as other makers. They’ve had a heck of a time keeping said suppliers up to the standards they expect of themselves, generally speaking.

    For what some of the cars cost, you’d think they’d manage the issue a bit better. Sadly, though, if a component fails after the factory warranty is expired they consider it a ‘win’.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    That last point is critical - the target market for German luxury cars nowadays are posers who lease them for 3 years - that's what moves the metal. Nobody, not the factory and not the customers, gives a damn about what happens when the warranty is up and the lease is over. If you told the factory that the cars were going to be crushed after 3 years, it would gladden their hearts because it would mean less competition for new sales. There is no consideration for long term durability and no consideration for repairability. Add to that German love of complex solutions and older German cars are a costly nightmare to keep on the road. If you want to know why a $75,000+ BMW 7 series loses 80% of its value in a few years, that's why. The old days when taxis in 3rd world countries were Mercedes diesels that would run through the potholed streets on bad fuel for a million miles are just a memory.
  213. Re: German labor shortage

    IMHO one of the best solutions would be for
    Germany to import Filipinos. About 60,000
    Filipinos immigrate to the U.S. annually (same
    numbers as those of the Chinese or East Indians).
    They are heavily represented in the hospital and
    nursing home industries, something that Germany’s
    aging population badly needs. They are Catholics,
    so they are very unlikely to become suicide bombers lol.

    Art Bell, the former host of Coast to Coast AM, married
    a Filipina girl, about 40 years his junior, and from what
    I hear, appears quite happy.

  214. @Steve Sailer
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany's GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. That sounds like a lot of potential workers who aren't civilizationally hostile to Germany, and many of whom might go home someday, the way the postwar Italians generally went home after saving up their money.

    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don’t want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based – along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. European women don't have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don't have them because they are not optimistic about the future. Fix that and there's no need to import foreigners. It's especially pathetic to destroy your country's future so that some big corporation can save a few bucks on labor costs.
    , @AM

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based – along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.
     
    There are more important things than money. Having a culture and country comes to mind.

    Does Japan "need" immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes? That's a thought, along with trying to take a look at the reasons why a well fed population is not even reproducing itself.

    Immigration is a lazy, greedy white man fix to problems that are going to bring heartache and violence. It's not like America has benefited or fixed the problems from when she tried it the first time with African slaves.
    , @epebble
    A good method to attract desirable immigrants would be to offer scholarships to universities based on SAT/GRE/GMAT type scores. Plenty of American and other youngsters will gladly grab with both hands an opportunity to go study at German universities. Once they spend 4 or more years at that young age, many will like to stay on. This would be the most desirable demographic for immigration.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth

     

    Population must always be increasing forever. We need 11 billion by 2100. We need 29 billion in 2200.
  215. @Kyle McKenna
    Right you are, in every respect. I'd only add that Mercedes, BMW et al are often sourcing their electronic components from the same producers (usually Asian) as other makers. They've had a heck of a time keeping said suppliers up to the standards they expect of themselves, generally speaking.

    For what some of the cars cost, you'd think they'd manage the issue a bit better. Sadly, though, if a component fails after the factory warranty is expired they consider it a 'win'.

    That last point is critical – the target market for German luxury cars nowadays are posers who lease them for 3 years – that’s what moves the metal. Nobody, not the factory and not the customers, gives a damn about what happens when the warranty is up and the lease is over. If you told the factory that the cars were going to be crushed after 3 years, it would gladden their hearts because it would mean less competition for new sales. There is no consideration for long term durability and no consideration for repairability. Add to that German love of complex solutions and older German cars are a costly nightmare to keep on the road. If you want to know why a $75,000+ BMW 7 series loses 80% of its value in a few years, that’s why. The old days when taxis in 3rd world countries were Mercedes diesels that would run through the potholed streets on bad fuel for a million miles are just a memory.

    • Replies: @res
    That makes sense, but at some point don't the lessees get annoyed by the low residual values? What good is a lease if you end up paying almost the full price of the car over the 3 years?

    This style of reasoning sounds all too similar to American car company attitudes towards quality in the 1970s.
    , @anonguy
    It really is a shame, but you are right. Something the Germans used to do well, durable/rugged/maintainable cars/motorcycles, is a thing of the past.

    You wonder what happened? Germany used to be a nation of machinists, Mittelstand, all that, what happened and why?

    I have a BMWK100RS in its original baby blue/grey paint. A timeless machine, the engines last forever, still looks like a modern bike. It and the Suzuki Katana, both apparently designed by Hans Muth, created the modern sportbike look that remains the mainstream today.

    And you can pick up perfectly running examples for a song, like 3-4k, and get all the parts, no kidding, you need at a BMW service department. Pretty amazing that and I give BMW a lot of credit for having nearly complete parts supply for a 30 year old model.

    But I'd bet dollars to donuts that there will not, 30 years henceforth, be an ample supply of today's BMW bikes on the used market. You can just look at them and see they are made from the same globo-goop used for nearly every product made today.
  216. @Peter Akuleyev
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don't want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based - along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. European women don’t have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don’t have them because they are not optimistic about the future. Fix that and there’s no need to import foreigners. It’s especially pathetic to destroy your country’s future so that some big corporation can save a few bucks on labor costs.

    • Agree: AM
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    European women don’t have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don’t have them because they are not optimistic about the future.

    Are Africans in Niger optimistic about the future? From my observations I would say Europeans don't have children because the culture encourages selfishness and navel-gazing. How do you fit a kid into your busy schedule of self-actualization? Between yoga classes, trips to Mallorca, Spanish lessons, Christmas in Thailand, and sitting in cafes with friends, where does a child fit in?

    At least in Austria and Germany people feel entitled to a stress-free life with 6 weeks vacation a year. People wish you an "erholsamen Sommer" - a relaxing summer (with overtones of "restorative") I guess because the stress of those 7 hour work days, five days a week, is just killing everyone. And you want to add kids to that stress?

    Poles are increasingly the same way. Most young Poles I know are dedicated to their hobbies first and foremost. They want to go mountain biking in the Tatras, ski in Austria and wind-surf in Turkey. They don't have time for kids. Some day they will all wake up 50 and with regrets.

    It is also a funny thing about the European semi-socialist economy that most people can afford to live a nice middle-class lifestyle as long they are single. You really don't need much money to rent a nice small flat, get some Ikea furniture, buy a guitar, hang out in cool bars in hipster neighborhoods and take cheap camping vacations to Croatia or Spain. Having a kid really does ratchet up the economic pressure, and having two? forget it.

    , @DJohn1
    On the contrary. The problem with reproduction is the modern world, and the Developed and Western worlds especially, is not a problem of optimism. It is a problem of resources.

    Specifically, too many resources. We are rich to the point where resources and wealth are effectively infinite, or at least so vast that the boundaries cannot be seen. This is sufficient to fool the animal hindbrain into thinking that resources are infinite.

    Under such conditions, what would be seen as insane hubris in more marginal times can make a kind of sense, and praiseworthy behaviors can be twisted. Providing for the helpless is a good thing, so why NOT blow a few trillion dollars a year on a vast and generous welfare system? Its only money, right? And money aka wealth aka resources are now infinite, right?

    Of course, resources aka wealth are not really infinite, but that won't be recognized for many generations. The West has been in a condition of effectively infinite resources since at least 1880.

    The problem with a condition of effectively infinite resources is that it leads to social decay in fairly predictable ways. This was studied extensively by Dr. John Calhoun in his mouse utopia experiments back in the '60s. Reproduction declines and stops, consistent social pathologies and senseless violence develop. In the models the rodent populations eventually went extinct, but the utopia rodent colonies were closed systems in ways that no human society ever can be. We just collapse and reboot
  217. @Anon 2
    Even without going outside the EU, the population of the Three Seas
    Countries, for example, is about 110 million. While visiting Warsaw on July 5,
    Trump will also attend the Three Seas Summit presided over by Poland's
    president Duda. The Amber Road, an expressway running from Estonia,
    through Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria,
    all the way to Greece, i.e., connecting the Baltic to the Mediterranean, will
    be one topic of discussion. In general, Europe needs vertical energy integration,
    connecting the north and the south. Hence an LNG terminal on the Adriatic
    will also be discussed. The United States is moving aggressively to supply
    the energy needs of Central Europe, and make that area less dependent
    on Russia.

    Actually Germany already has a lot of workers from the Three Seas countries.
    How many Ukrainians employed in Poland will go to Germany, now
    that Ukraine got visa-free travel in the EU, is a good question. That would
    depend on the size of the German black and gray market, because the visas
    are designed for tourists, but technically the Ukrainians could also seek very short
    and illegal employment in Germany.

    Western Europeans are suspicious of the Three Seas Initiative (which unlike
    the Visegrad Group also includes Austria) but they can't stop the fact that with
    Britain out of the EU its center of gravity will be shifting east. Whether Poland
    is consciously trying to resurrect the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth that
    for 250 years, until the late 18th century, stretched from sea to shining sea,
    or even Marshal Pilsudski's idea of the Intermarium from the 1920s, is being
    currently debated. It's definitely trying to become the banking, finance, and
    logistics center for Central Europe, and it is attracting workers from western
    Ukraine and Belarus, i.e., former members of the Commonwealth. By the way,
    Poland's economy has been growing at almost the rate of South Korea in the
    last 15-20 years.

    Międzymorze (Intermarium) was a pipe dream that got nowhere. Post Communist Poland is thriving but Poland is never going to be a great power again. As always it is stuck between Russia and Germany, both of whom will knock an overambitious Poland down if it sticks its head up too high. Empire is usually a bad idea anyway. Poland should be happy with its current status where as you say they are doing quite nicely.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    Never is a long time. But are probably right about Poland not being a great power in next several decades.

    Agree with you on empires not being a good idea. They generally last short and advantages go to the elites. Then the rest has to pay bills for decades if not centuries.

    But it is a good idea for Poland to have neutral and friendly countries to the east as a buffer zone against Russia. So Intermarium has some merits.
  218. @Steve Sailer
    Is the professor with the giant 'fro Colin Kaepernick's long lost bio dad?

    Is the professor with the giant ‘fro Colin Kaepernick’s long lost bio dad?

    Too good to check so let’s just say yes.

  219. The god given right of employers to open borders is so internalised in the MSM, it’s rather funny. Here is the latest Brxit scare story from the Beeb:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40475702

    “Employers having to pay more to recruit new staff”

    “the *problem* was costing companies more than £2bn a year.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    But wait -- there's more!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40188997


    Do passports restrict economic growth?
     

    For an economics article it's odd to see a few paragraphs of fiction about the Aylan Kurdi incident mixed in:

    ... But the dinghy capsized in rough seas. Abdullah managed to cling to the boat, but his wife and children drowned.

    ... The Kurdis hadn't planned to stay in Greece. They hoped eventually to start a new life in Vancouver, where Abdullah's sister Teema is a hairdresser.

    There are easier ways to travel from Turkey to Canada than taking a dinghy to Kos.

    Abdullah had money: the 4,000 euros (£2,500; $4,460) he paid a people-smuggler could have bought plane tickets for them all - if they had had the right passports.

    ... It can seem natural that the name of the country on our passport determines where we can travel and work - legally, at least.

    Discrimination

    But it's a relatively recent historical development, and, from a certain angle, it's odd.

    ... Many countries ban employers from discriminating among workers based on characteristics we can't change: whether we're male or female, young or old, gay or straight, black or white.

    ... But, mostly, our passport depends on the identity of our parents and location of our birth. And nobody chooses those.

    Despite this, there's no public clamour to judge people not by the colour of their passport but by the content of their character.

    ... Europe's leaders scramble to distinguish refugees from "economic migrants", the assumption being that someone who isn't fleeing persecution - but merely wants a better job or life - should not be let in.

    Politically, the logic of restrictions on migration may be increasingly hard to dispute.

    Yet economic logic points in the opposite direction. In theory, whenever you allow factors of production to follow demand, output rises.

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners. In the wealthiest countries - by one estimate - five in six of the existing population are made better off by the arrival of immigrants.

    So why doesn't this translate into popular support for open borders?

    There are practical and cultural reasons why migration can be badly managed: if public services aren't upgraded quickly enough to cope with new arrivals, or belief systems prove hard to reconcile.

    ... The benefits - slightly cheaper fruit for everyone - are too widely spread and small to notice, while the costs - some Americans lose their jobs - produce vocal unhappiness.

    ... It should be possible to arrange taxes and public spending to compensate the losers. But it doesn't tend to work that way.

    ... Like John Gadsby, anyone with the right colour passport can only count their blessings.

     

    So this is how an economist-journalist uses the color of your skin trope without scaring away too many businessmen with SJWism: the color of your passport.
    , @Anonymous
    But wait -- there's more!

    bbc.com/news/business-40188997

    Do passports restrict economic growth?
     
    For an economics article it's odd to see a few paragraphs of fiction about the Aylan Kurdi incident mixed in:


    ... But the dinghy capsized in rough seas. Abdullah managed to cling to the boat, but his wife and children drowned.

    ... The Kurdis hadn't planned to stay in Greece. They hoped eventually to start a new life in Vancouver, where Abdullah's sister Teema is a hairdresser.

    There are easier ways to travel from Turkey to Canada than taking a dinghy to Kos.

    Abdullah had money: the 4,000 euros (£2,500; $4,460) he paid a people-smuggler could have bought plane tickets for them all - if they had had the right passports.

    ... It can seem natural that the name of the country on our passport determines where we can travel and work - legally, at least.

    Discrimination

    But it's a relatively recent historical development, and, from a certain angle, it's odd.

    ... Many countries ban employers from discriminating among workers based on characteristics we can't change: whether we're male or female, young or old, gay or straight, black or white.

    ... But, mostly, our passport depends on the identity of our parents and location of our birth. And nobody chooses those.

    Despite this, there's no public clamour to judge people not by the colour of their passport but by the content of their character.

    ... Europe's leaders scramble to distinguish refugees from "economic migrants", the assumption being that someone who isn't fleeing persecution - but merely wants a better job or life - should not be let in.

    Politically, the logic of restrictions on migration may be increasingly hard to dispute.

    Yet economic logic points in the opposite direction. In theory, whenever you allow factors of production to follow demand, output rises.

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners. In the wealthiest countries - by one estimate - five in six of the existing population are made better off by the arrival of immigrants.

    So why doesn't this translate into popular support for open borders?

    There are practical and cultural reasons why migration can be badly managed: if public services aren't upgraded quickly enough to cope with new arrivals, or belief systems prove hard to reconcile.

    ... The benefits - slightly cheaper fruit for everyone - are too widely spread and small to notice, while the costs - some Americans lose their jobs - produce vocal unhappiness.

    ... It should be possible to arrange taxes and public spending to compensate the losers. But it doesn't tend to work that way.

    ... Like John Gadsby, anyone with the right colour passport can only count their blessings.

     

    So this is how an economist-journalist uses the color of your skin trope without scaring away too many businessmen with SJWism: the color of your passport.
  220. AM says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don't want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based - along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based – along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    There are more important things than money. Having a culture and country comes to mind.

    Does Japan “need” immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes? That’s a thought, along with trying to take a look at the reasons why a well fed population is not even reproducing itself.

    Immigration is a lazy, greedy white man fix to problems that are going to bring heartache and violence. It’s not like America has benefited or fixed the problems from when she tried it the first time with African slaves.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    Does Japan “need” immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes?
     
    Bingo!

    We've been hearing about disastrous Japan for 25+ years now, post Japan bubble economy, which the West, incidentally, adored to pieces, so much opportunity for arbitrage.

    Anyhow, yeah, that is the point, the demographic "catastrophe" has been ongoing in Japan for 25+ years, but it is all a figment and yowling, no meatspace (remember that word?) catastrophe ever happens.

    Only two explanations.

    A. It isn't really as catastrophic as all that, the declining fertility in Japan.

    B. Japan is managing to sort through what is believed to be, by Economist, et al, to be a societal catastrophe of unparalleled degree, existential to the core, with little ado and fuss.

    So in either case, good on the Japanese, right? They either haven't lost their heads over wild prognostications of foreigners or they manage through an epic crisis with little complaint or comment.

    Japanese have been running their country for an awful long time. Something not much commented about in the West is the degree of institutional memory in Japan, in society at large. It is so much that it is a qualitative difference between it and typical western societies.

    It was pretty interesting living there in the years after the recent earthquake/tsunami, how Japanese society organized itself around solving the manifold problems that ensued.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Every major culture takes immigrants. The succesful ones limit the numbers and manage to incorporate them into the national fabric. Germany absorbed the French Huguenots, not to mention millions and millions of Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians over the past five hundred years who are now fully Germanized. (Hitler himself, like a lot of Austrians, was probably more ethnically "Czech" than "German".) The UK always absorbed reasonable numbers of refugees from the continent - Spaniards, Frenchmen, Russian aristocrats, Poles, etc. Even Japan has a significant Korean minority.
  221. @Jack D
    Międzymorze (Intermarium) was a pipe dream that got nowhere. Post Communist Poland is thriving but Poland is never going to be a great power again. As always it is stuck between Russia and Germany, both of whom will knock an overambitious Poland down if it sticks its head up too high. Empire is usually a bad idea anyway. Poland should be happy with its current status where as you say they are doing quite nicely.

    Never is a long time. But are probably right about Poland not being a great power in next several decades.

    Agree with you on empires not being a good idea. They generally last short and advantages go to the elites. Then the rest has to pay bills for decades if not centuries.

    But it is a good idea for Poland to have neutral and friendly countries to the east as a buffer zone against Russia. So Intermarium has some merits.

  222. @Steve Sailer
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany's GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. That sounds like a lot of potential workers who aren't civilizationally hostile to Germany, and many of whom might go home someday, the way the postwar Italians generally went home after saving up their money.

    Germany does not have a labor shortage.

    Ukrainians are leaving at a fair rate to anywhere that will take them.

    Slovenia’s living standards are comparable to Germany’s.

  223. @DJohn1
    The Roman smallholders of the Middle who were the heart and soul of the Legions at Cannae didn't win when the Equestrian class decided to import slaves in bulk. The Roman Middle were squeezed into nonexistence. Most were downwardly mobile and merged with the slaves into a new population of Low, a few made it up the greasy pole into the Senatorial class of the High.

    The Senatorial class bought up the smallholdings for aeses on the denarii, and merged them into the huge centralized plantations, the latifundia. Google, Walmart and Boeing are the latifundia of today.

    Whether by reproduction or importation of a new people, the population of the Low is expanding. As population expands, wages fall. As ability to buy contracts, production will contract and prices will rise. Subsistence wages and rising prices, the worst of all possible worlds for the Low.

    As the former Middle and new serviles immiserate into a common population of Low, the High will make out like bandits. For a few generations. Then they will become too numerous for the few slots actually available to elites. Competing conspicuous consumption will make the expenditures necessary to proclaim High status pricier and pricier. Aspirants to the High will compete fiercely for government largess, jobs and patronage. Entry to the High will become more and more costly.

    We are already seeing this in the Higher Education bubble. Blessings from the proper Holy Temples, sorry... sheepskins from the proper universities... are necessary credentials for admission to the High.

    Eventually the High will fall out amongst themselves and yoke the resentful and immiserated Low in as canon fodder. Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    Conflict spreads. Plague blossoms. Famine blooms. Populations are culled. Wages rise and incomes of the High fall. Government intervention to trim the incomes of the High is common after a society's early phase - in the early phase, bonds of loyalty between the Middle and the High under conditions of constant threat are sufficient to restrain the avarice of the High. Later on, the Middle are largely gone and the society has assumed the two class form characteristic of mature societies.

    Rinse. Repeat. Watch your society go extinct over the course of a thousand years or so, usually. Watch the spunky newcomer society on the block do it all over again.

    This time is never different.

    Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    I.e. George Washington.

    We’re not in a cold Civil War, we’re in a cold Revolutionary War.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    Cold Revolutionary War, or, alternately, Cold Revolution. That's a memorable phrase, for sure. Hat's off, Desiderius.
    , @DJohn1
    No. More like Paris 1793, Saint Petersburg 1917, or Tehran 1979.

    Washington was a member of the status quo elite, and the American Revolution is more realistically described as a rebellion.

    Vanguard cadres are something else. REAL revolution travels on their heels.
  224. @Desiderius

    Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.
     
    I.e. George Washington.

    We're not in a cold Civil War, we're in a cold Revolutionary War.

    Cold Revolutionary War, or, alternately, Cold Revolution. That’s a memorable phrase, for sure. Hat’s off, Desiderius.

  225. @Daniel H
    >>We do. But not all of them unmployed Greeks and Spaniards would love to leave home. And....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    You deserve to lose your country.

    Foreign people such as Spaniards or Italians or Russians or Vietnamese etc. who work regular jobs, have never been a big problem in Germany. Turks are a diffrent story, but not really desasterous. Germany attracts foreigners since ages. What’s a big problem is migration into our (quite expensive) welfare system by people who do hardly any work (and often times even multiply). And unfortunately, that’s happenenig big scale for years now.

    • Replies: @jack ryan
    Look at the bright side. Your Polish neighbors no longer have to put up with insulting "dumb Pollack" jokes.

    Instead it's the stupid dumb German jokes.

    You have to be full on retard to hold up signs welcoming hundreds of thousands of North African Muslim migrant rapists.

    I mean - that's rather dumb!

    Here's hoping lots of dumb Germans get TB, Ebola, STD and then whole German towns get turned over to ISIS.

    Jees you Germans are really dumb.
  226. @DJohn1
    The Roman smallholders of the Middle who were the heart and soul of the Legions at Cannae didn't win when the Equestrian class decided to import slaves in bulk. The Roman Middle were squeezed into nonexistence. Most were downwardly mobile and merged with the slaves into a new population of Low, a few made it up the greasy pole into the Senatorial class of the High.

    The Senatorial class bought up the smallholdings for aeses on the denarii, and merged them into the huge centralized plantations, the latifundia. Google, Walmart and Boeing are the latifundia of today.

    Whether by reproduction or importation of a new people, the population of the Low is expanding. As population expands, wages fall. As ability to buy contracts, production will contract and prices will rise. Subsistence wages and rising prices, the worst of all possible worlds for the Low.

    As the former Middle and new serviles immiserate into a common population of Low, the High will make out like bandits. For a few generations. Then they will become too numerous for the few slots actually available to elites. Competing conspicuous consumption will make the expenditures necessary to proclaim High status pricier and pricier. Aspirants to the High will compete fiercely for government largess, jobs and patronage. Entry to the High will become more and more costly.

    We are already seeing this in the Higher Education bubble. Blessings from the proper Holy Temples, sorry... sheepskins from the proper universities... are necessary credentials for admission to the High.

    Eventually the High will fall out amongst themselves and yoke the resentful and immiserated Low in as canon fodder. Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.

    Conflict spreads. Plague blossoms. Famine blooms. Populations are culled. Wages rise and incomes of the High fall. Government intervention to trim the incomes of the High is common after a society's early phase - in the early phase, bonds of loyalty between the Middle and the High under conditions of constant threat are sufficient to restrain the avarice of the High. Later on, the Middle are largely gone and the society has assumed the two class form characteristic of mature societies.

    Rinse. Repeat. Watch your society go extinct over the course of a thousand years or so, usually. Watch the spunky newcomer society on the block do it all over again.

    This time is never different.

    White Nationalism will make it different this time.

  227. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    The only hope is Vladimir Putin sees how rotten and corrupt and useless the elites are in Western Europe, and how easy they would be to conquer, and rolls all the way to Ireland, driving out all the non-Whites and putting everyone on free stuff paid for by driving out the Muslim, African rabble: free education, free (and decent) healthcare, real jobs not part time poorly paid gigs for Uber, etc.

    It could happen -- Europe is weak and defenseless with a gay/trans military and a few Muslims; America is unlikely to defend it either. So that's the best outcome -- a Russian Empire.

    Russia is actually a multicultural empire as well and the Russians themselves are a quarter gook, so the mudbloods can’t be trusted for anything. The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.

    • Replies: @AM

    The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.
     
    LOL! The West is doomed with Spencerian white nationalism. He's a liberal who likes white people. He's gotten sucker punched and had his Mom brought into the fray.. and he's whined about it to date.

    I keep asking what holidays do white people celebrate and what do they believe? I guess we believe in the magic of white DNA, gay marriage, tattoos, and our highest of holidays, The Superbowl.

    The rest of the world is shaking in it's boots, I'm sure.
    , @DJohn1
    "American White" is a neo-ethnos forged under the melting pot pressures of the North American frontier c. 1600 to 1900. Former distinct European peoples merged into one people during a process of ethnogenesis. Irish was one of the first constituents blended into the neo-ethnos, and it is not separable.

    The process of ethnogenesis is always ongoing, and it never ends. Great imperial peoples like the Romans, Byzantines, Russians and Americans rise by forging themselves out of multiple precursor populations. They are forged by the pressures of high-intensity frontiers with very alien populations - the Celts, Avars, Tatars and Amerinds, respectively. They begin to fade when they succeed; as the borders are pushed out the core territory is secured from frontier pressures. Lacking frontier pressures, the people of the core territory no longer have motivation to be disciplined and great. The core begins its decay.

    Like and respect them or not, the Palestinians did not exist as a people in 1940. They damn sure do today. They have been forged into being by the pressures of a frontier.

    Conversely, the south Italian Romans of 2500 years ago forged on of the greatest empires in world history. But their descendants haven't done anything great in 1500 years - a decayed core region that has never again been a frontier and so able to re-temper itself. But northern Italy has been a medium-intensity frontier region, and so northern Italy is functional and prosperous versus southern Italy. Consistently.

    Stable gene structure, bloodlines and aesthetics have nothing to do with that. The Norsemen Vikings of 1000 years ago were some of the greatest conquerors and raiders of their age; today, their descendants are looking for excuses to go extinct. That isn't because of genes, that's because of something much more potent.

    That's because of asabiya.
  228. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Why does alright foolishly oppose voluntary euthanasia?"

    Er, because it wouldn't end up voluntary?

    In the UK, the Health Service is short of cash.

    There are lots of elderly white people who no longer work.

    They get ill more and use the NHS more.

    The young (and many NHS staff) are many races, not all white.

    They pay tax to support free NHS.

    Join the dots. Remember the NHS-funded abortion clinics with piles of blank consent forms signed in advance by the doctors.

    "You don't want to be a burden to your family and the taxpayer, do you now, Mrs Smith?"

    This is why I am against government run healthcare. Treating you goes from being revenue to doctors and hospitals to being a cost to a government, so the bias switches to withholding treatment and letting people die.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    When the National Health Service was set up in 1947 or thereabouts, Britain was 99.9% white British and still pretty Christian too. The idea of letting sick British people die to save money would have been unthinkable (on the other hand several tens of thousands died in London smogs, eventually the Clean Air Acts were passed.)

    Looks like the NHS is just another one of the many nice things we can't have any more.
  229. @dr kill
    Most live an entire lifetime in the USSA holding the beliefs you have just described so well and never learn the truth about racial differences. In fact, you will be applauded by all the right people for your dangerous stupidity.

    Send your kids to the Dade County Public Schools for a few years and get back to me. Reality, it's a bitch.

    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white. The “progressive” whites in Chicago know the score despite what they say.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white.
     
    That's an impressive number. Thanks for noticing.
  230. @Fredrik
    Not possible for me to push Agree button at this time so write this instead.

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.

    My observation and interaction with Swedes or people of Swedish descent suggests they are by nature uncomfortable with confrontation and conflict and will simply pretend problems don’t exist rather than admitting there is a problem and dealing with it. Wouldn’t a visit from Trump be funny?

  231. @Peripatetic commenter
    Of course, Weber was ignorant of the differences in geography and climate that result in sub-Saharan women being able to provide for their offspring while those living in more northerly or southerly latitudes have considerable difficulties doing so.

    Perhaps Weber should have just gone to sub-Saharan Africa to live.

    The sub Saharan African women in the US can provide for their offspring courtesy of the taxpayer. That’s the main reason their marriage rate is so low (cf- Charles Murray’s “Losing Ground.”)

  232. @ANON
    You missed the point. Germany did not begin to import the Turkish guest workers until 1964/65 after the Berlin wall went up. By 1964 there was a big cohort of 18 to 25 year old Germans born during the war ready to go to work. Plus there was a baby boomer generation right behind them.

    Between 1946 and 1963 all the immigrant workers were escapees from E Germany.

    And the Turkish Gastarbeiter program didn't really get going till the 1970s.

    First, let’s make this discussion more concrete: http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/germany-population-pyramid

    You make good points. I did not miss the point (you’ll notice I did not dispute the rest of the comment), I just called out what I still think was a hyperbolic conclusion.

  233. res says:
    @Jack D
    That last point is critical - the target market for German luxury cars nowadays are posers who lease them for 3 years - that's what moves the metal. Nobody, not the factory and not the customers, gives a damn about what happens when the warranty is up and the lease is over. If you told the factory that the cars were going to be crushed after 3 years, it would gladden their hearts because it would mean less competition for new sales. There is no consideration for long term durability and no consideration for repairability. Add to that German love of complex solutions and older German cars are a costly nightmare to keep on the road. If you want to know why a $75,000+ BMW 7 series loses 80% of its value in a few years, that's why. The old days when taxis in 3rd world countries were Mercedes diesels that would run through the potholed streets on bad fuel for a million miles are just a memory.

    That makes sense, but at some point don’t the lessees get annoyed by the low residual values? What good is a lease if you end up paying almost the full price of the car over the 3 years?

    This style of reasoning sounds all too similar to American car company attitudes towards quality in the 1970s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Nowadays with interest rates hovering at zero, even low residual values still translate to reasonable payments and the monthly payment is all the lessee cares about. In 3 years, a BMW loses around half its value on a 15k mile/year lease but people buy them anyway.

    Sometimes the factory pegs the residual high to move the metal - by the time they have to eat the loss, whoever set the residuals will have already collected his bonus for meeting sales targets 3 years ago.

    Like a lot of modern things, the whole enterprise is built on deep cynicism and contempt for everyone. The only question is how long can you keep the show going before everyone notices the feet of clay, the refrigerators with flammable plastic backs, the "aluminum" cladding on a high rise that is really two thin sheets of aluminum between plastic that is as flammable as gasoline, on and on.
  234. AM says:
    @Whiskey
    Possibly the stupidest comment ever on Isteve. There is nothing more nor less than the desire of aging sluts, fatties, and dusty cat ladies for their very own cabana boy from Jihad! Rapefugees welcome!

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.

    What? Jerry Seinfeld and Gilbert Gottfried are beaming their mind-rays into Germany along with Howard Stern and Adam Sandler to destroy themselves -- or lots of aging sluts want the female equivalent of Thai underage hookers.

    Heck even the double standard is female standard practice. Women excuse anything by violent dominant men and shriek in horror at a beta male asking them for coffee as the next thing to rape.

    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others. Since they are not they are inviting violent, stupid men to provide for their needs. Its as simple as that. Its why Japan and the Eastern European countries where women have much lower influence (and in Japan are distracted by Kawaii stuff) don't have masses of rapefugees.

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.

    These lovely hypergamy theories never seem to factor in long term longevity of the infant in question. It’s like the infant pops out and raises itself for the next decade and a half, no input required.

    How does the lovely oversexed lass in question keep her infant alive to age 5, let alone reproductive age around such a man?

    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others.

    Their infants also would not have survived a temperate climate. That model only sort of works in tropical places, where food is available year around.

    How do you propose living with such a man holed up during a long winter? Does he put effort in during the summer? Does he share when the larder runs thin in Feb/March/April?

    Part of the issue in my mind right now right now is that Europe has modified Europe enough to make it effectively a tropical climate to the humans involved. Thus people used to a certain physical climate are making themselves right at home.

    If that ever stops, I think advantages of a supposed “beta’ male will shine through.

    • Replies: @Flip
    My observation is that northern European descended women may play with the bad boys when very young, but will settle for a beta provider when they need support for themselves and their children. Of course, these days they throw them out and divorce them when they've served their purpose after the children are older. I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.
  235. Let’s try to look on the bright side of this catastrophe:

    Few people are making dumb pollack jokes anymore.

    The Poles seem to be universally intelligent, sensible and practical about this mass Muslim male migration invasion of Europe.

    The Poles are resisting the invasion by about 99% – same with the Hungarians, Slovaks, Serbs etc.

    Only dumb Germans and the worst Lib Swedes think it’s a good thing to be invaded millions of low IQ, unskilled, hostile North African, Sub Sahara Black African, Afghan/Pakistani tribal Muslim men of military/raping age.

    Notice those boats packed by the Arab slave traders in Libya – all the migrant invaders are young men.

    • Replies: @AM

    Few people are making dumb pollack jokes anymore.

    The Poles seem to be universally intelligent, sensible and practical about this mass Muslim male migration invasion of Europe.

    The Poles are resisting the invasion by about 99% – same with the Hungarians, Slovaks, Serbs etc.

    Only dumb Germans and the worst Lib Swedes think it’s a good thing to be invaded millions of low IQ, unskilled, hostile North African, Sub Sahara Black African, Afghan/Pakistani tribal Muslim men of military/raping age.
     
    Maybe the relative IQs haven't changed in the last 100 years...but the culture has.

    Germany is pagan/atheist with some hold out pockets of Catholicism and Lutheranism.

    Poland, on the other hand, just crowned Christ the king of Poland and it's having a resurgence of both traditional Catholicism and a roll back of socialism.

    IQs don't mean a darn thing if you're cleverly increasing your bank account and thinking "I'll be dead in X decades, so what's it to me?" (<--That is a product of high IQ thinking.)

    The Germans and the Swedes are now far too "clever" to believe in what's worked, what's true, and what their ancestors for the most part converted to voluntarily for over a thousand years ago. It would be one thing if some sort of amazing idea had replaced Christianity. But it appears we're mostly just lazy, rich, and soft.
    , @Rob McX
    There's nothing especially bad about Germany or Sweden. All Western European countries are heading in the same direction, except that some are going at it faster than others. The difference between them is quantitative rather than qualitative.
  236. @Sid
    I am not saying Germany's guest worker program was perfect, great, or even good, but it made sense. When so many young men in your country died in the war, and you need factory work done, getting a bunch of guys from Turkey isn't the worst idea.

    But no one has any excuse for the migrant crisis. If Germany needs highly skilled, highly specialized technicians for modern manufacturing, how on Earth did anyone think a bunch of young, dumb brutes from wartorn hellholes would meet their labor needs?

    And don't get me started with the "doctors and engineers" fable. Anyone who's been to one of those countries knows what passes for a doctor in Syria is a joke.

    Did the Angles and Saxon Kings in England and their advisors and Christian Monks say and think the same thing about Viking invaders sacking monasteries?

    Did free market economists in Angle Saxon England mouth off about how these Viking raids were going to be a good thing for the English labor markets?

    When was the last time Germans attempted a coup?

    The Beer Hall Putsche?

    Some other nationalists in Germany did do some successful coups in Berlin – like the one where they killed Roza Luxumborg – shot her and through her in to a canal.

    “Luxemburg and Liebknecht were captured in Berlin on 15 January 1919 by the Rifle Division of the Cavalry Guards of the Freikorps (Garde-Kavallerie-Schützendivision).[20] Its commander Captain Waldemar Pabst, with Lieutenant Horst von Pflugk-Harttung, questioned them under torture and then gave the order to execute them. Luxemburg was knocked down with a rifle butt by the soldier Otto Runge, then shot in the head, either by Lieutenant Kurt Vogel or by Lieutenant Hermann Souchon. Her body was flung into Berlin’s Landwehr Canal.[21]“

  237. @Dieter Kief
    Foreign people such as Spaniards or Italians or Russians or Vietnamese etc. who work regular jobs, have never been a big problem in Germany. Turks are a diffrent story, but not really desasterous. Germany attracts foreigners since ages. What's a big problem is migration into our (quite expensive) welfare system by people who do hardly any work (and often times even multiply). And unfortunately, that's happenenig big scale for years now.

    Look at the bright side. Your Polish neighbors no longer have to put up with insulting “dumb Pollack” jokes.

    Instead it’s the stupid dumb German jokes.

    You have to be full on retard to hold up signs welcoming hundreds of thousands of North African Muslim migrant rapists.

    I mean – that’s rather dumb!

    Here’s hoping lots of dumb Germans get TB, Ebola, STD and then whole German towns get turned over to ISIS.

    Jees you Germans are really dumb.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Flip
    A lot of Americans unfortunately have a pretty similar mindset. Just read the NY Times.
  238. KenH says:

    What a joke. Only the native Germans and related stocks are endowed with the racial qualities and characteristics which Germans have become known for such as ingenuity, efficiency, orderliness. You can’t make a good German out of bad Arab Muslims.

    This engineered mass Afro-Muslim migration into Germany and Western Europe is just the 21st century Morgenthau plan to racially bastardize and destroy that unique branch of the white race.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    This engineered mass Afro-Muslim migration into Germany and Western Europe is just the 21st century Morgenthau plan to racially bastardize and destroy that unique branch of the white race.

    Interesting comment. Competes with the economic explanation that is usually given, even around here.
  239. @Autochthon
    The Santa Clara Valley is a successful example of overpopulation and invasion, and not much else, vis-à-vis so-called migration.

    • The average price of a home in Santa Clara County was one million dollars (the median was $1,250,000.00) as of 2015. Nationally, the average price of a house was $229,400.00 in 2015. Houses in Santa Clara County cost seventy-seven per cent more than the average national price.

    • As of 2016, in Santa Clara County, the average monthly rent for a flat with ine bedroom was $2,361.00 (up $23.00 from the prior quarter and six and a half per cent — or $143.00 — from 2015.

    • In 2015, the average hourly wage in Santa Clara County was $36.43 (it was even less – $33.34 in San Francisco County and San Mateo County; it was $29.03 Alameda County. (The national average wage in 2015 was $22.71 per hour). Nationally, the average hourly wage was $24.57. The pay in Santa Clara County is is thirty-three per cent more than it is nationally.

    Removing all other expenses for mathematical simplicity's sake, the average resident of what used to be the U.S.A. must toil almost nine thousand and four hundred hours to purchase a home; the average resident of Silicon Valley must toil nearly twenty-seven thousand and five hundred hours to purchase a home – three times more. But why fuss over relative data when the differences in absolute figures are so much sunnier to the innumerate populace?

    If you take the reasonable (until recently) assumption the average American can probably purchase a home after a lifetime's toil, in Santa Clara County, the nonpareil example of "successful migration," the average Hindoo can purchase one in three lifetimes.

    It's a good thing the reincarnation will make it possible.

    Mind you, more than five per cent (and rising) of the workers drive nearly two hours from slightly less expensive exurbs to work in Santa Clara, so their woes financing housing decrease, even as their physical and mental health deteriorates, their families never are for want of time to court or disintegrate for want of time to bond, and pollution skyrockets.

    The nonsense spouted about success in Silly Valley is from the perspective of rentiers and their beloved gross national product; it's nothing to do with the misery they gleefully inflict upon the innumerate peasantry along the way.


    My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist! – Charles Baudelair
     
    #toiletpapersales!

    You made a mistake with the average price of a home – it’s 334% larger in Santa Clara than in the rest of the country.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Thank you; I learned from this experience not to hurriedly perform mathematical operations with a phone whilst composing writing and battling crappy mobile browsers' penchant to reload themselves.
  240. @SolontoCroesus

    If the billionaires of the world really wanted to make a difference, they’d launch a foundation to provide these kind of lump sum payments that could be a nice launch / reentry and development assistance for many developing countries.
     
    Reverse aliyah of Romanian Jews post-war:

    How Romania Sold Its Jews to Israel
    "In 1948, the year of Israeli independence, Zionism came under renewed suspicion, and the government began a campaign of liquidation against Zionist funds and training farms. However, emigration was not completely banned; Romanian Foreign Minister Ana Pauker, herself a Jew with a father and brother in Israel, negotiated an agreement with Israeli ambassador Reuven Rubin, a Romanian immigrant to Israel, under which the Romanian government would allow 4,000 Jews a month to emigrate to Israel; this decision was at least partially influenced by a large Jewish Agency bribe to the Romanian government. This agreement applied mainly to ruined businessmen and other economically "redundant" Jews. Around this time, Israel also secured another agreement with the Romanian government, under which Romania issued 100,000 exit visas for Jews and Israel supplied Romania with oil drills and pipes to aid the struggling Romanian oil industry.[63] By December 1951, about 115,000 Romanian Jews had emigrated to Israel. . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

     

    and

    . . .indeed, by the end of the 1940s, Israel was supplying the ailing Romanian oil industry with American drills and pipes in exchange for 100,000 exit visas.

    This type of bartering was also the preferred method of Henry Jacober, a Jewish businessman based in London who, in the 1950s and early 1960s, acted as a middleman between Romanian Jews’ relatives — who had the money to pay for exit visas — and Marcu, who would take down their names and make sure they got out.
    Instead of using cash, the Romanians and Jacober preferred a proxy and settled on livestock. Cows and pigs. Soon Shaike Dan learned of these dealings and took over the operation (after getting a thumbs-up from Ben-Gurion). By 1965, the Jewish state, working through Jacober (who took his own cut), was funding many projects inside of Romania — chicken farms, turkey farms and pig farms, turning out tens of thousands of animals every year, and even a factory making Kellogg’s Corn Flakes — all in exchange for Jewish families. The export of these products — including, I should add, bacon and pork — produced $8 to $10 million annually for Romania, much needed money for its cash-starved economy." http://forward.com/culture/2923/the-cold-war-e2-80-99s-strangest-bedfellows-how-romania/
     

    Interesting. I knew the basic gist, but these are nice details. We did a similar thing with our German population that went to West Germany.

  241. @Peter Akuleyev
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don't want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based - along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    A good method to attract desirable immigrants would be to offer scholarships to universities based on SAT/GRE/GMAT type scores. Plenty of American and other youngsters will gladly grab with both hands an opportunity to go study at German universities. Once they spend 4 or more years at that young age, many will like to stay on. This would be the most desirable demographic for immigration.

  242. @Dana Thompson
    We're overlooking a key benefit of mass immigration, which is the introduction of more-emancipated women to our society, which can only be a positive. Here's a key quote from Sylvia Weber, Frankfurt's Secretary of Integration, from this Breitbart article.

    "Weber hailed the rate of single motherhood amongst women of foreign origin, which the report showed was significantly higher than that of native Germans in the city, as “a possible sign that female migrants are emancipating themselves. . .”
     

    Germany should import all our inner city blacks and hispanics. Practically all the women are single mothers with 7 kids by 5 different men etc. Yes they will be on welfare but that’s not what’s important, what’s important is that they are *emancipated women*, plus, bonus: they will give Germany many new citizens it so badly wanted, even if they are all future criminals and welfare recipients. The important thing is Germany will not experience population shrinkage.

  243. AM says:
    @Anonymous
    Russia is actually a multicultural empire as well and the Russians themselves are a quarter gook, so the mudbloods can't be trusted for anything. The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.

    The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.

    LOL! The West is doomed with Spencerian white nationalism. He’s a liberal who likes white people. He’s gotten sucker punched and had his Mom brought into the fray.. and he’s whined about it to date.

    I keep asking what holidays do white people celebrate and what do they believe? I guess we believe in the magic of white DNA, gay marriage, tattoos, and our highest of holidays, The Superbowl.

    The rest of the world is shaking in it’s boots, I’m sure.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    Muh low marginal tax rates!
  244. AM says:
    @jack ryan
    Let's try to look on the bright side of this catastrophe:

    Few people are making dumb pollack jokes anymore.

    The Poles seem to be universally intelligent, sensible and practical about this mass Muslim male migration invasion of Europe.

    The Poles are resisting the invasion by about 99% - same with the Hungarians, Slovaks, Serbs etc.

    Only dumb Germans and the worst Lib Swedes think it's a good thing to be invaded millions of low IQ, unskilled, hostile North African, Sub Sahara Black African, Afghan/Pakistani tribal Muslim men of military/raping age.

    Notice those boats packed by the Arab slave traders in Libya - all the migrant invaders are young men.

    Few people are making dumb pollack jokes anymore.

    The Poles seem to be universally intelligent, sensible and practical about this mass Muslim male migration invasion of Europe.

    The Poles are resisting the invasion by about 99% – same with the Hungarians, Slovaks, Serbs etc.

    Only dumb Germans and the worst Lib Swedes think it’s a good thing to be invaded millions of low IQ, unskilled, hostile North African, Sub Sahara Black African, Afghan/Pakistani tribal Muslim men of military/raping age.

    Maybe the relative IQs haven’t changed in the last 100 years…but the culture has.

    Germany is pagan/atheist with some hold out pockets of Catholicism and Lutheranism.

    Poland, on the other hand, just crowned Christ the king of Poland and it’s having a resurgence of both traditional Catholicism and a roll back of socialism.

    IQs don’t mean a darn thing if you’re cleverly increasing your bank account and thinking “I’ll be dead in X decades, so what’s it to me?” (<–That is a product of high IQ thinking.)

    The Germans and the Swedes are now far too "clever" to believe in what's worked, what's true, and what their ancestors for the most part converted to voluntarily for over a thousand years ago. It would be one thing if some sort of amazing idea had replaced Christianity. But it appears we're mostly just lazy, rich, and soft.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Daniel Chieh
  245. @Flip
    This is why I am against government run healthcare. Treating you goes from being revenue to doctors and hospitals to being a cost to a government, so the bias switches to withholding treatment and letting people die.

    When the National Health Service was set up in 1947 or thereabouts, Britain was 99.9% white British and still pretty Christian too. The idea of letting sick British people die to save money would have been unthinkable (on the other hand several tens of thousands died in London smogs, eventually the Clean Air Acts were passed.)

    Looks like the NHS is just another one of the many nice things we can’t have any more.

    • Replies: @Flip
    I think socialism can sort of work in a high trust, ethnically homogenous society, but it breaks down when outsiders come in who want to free ride and game the system.
  246. @RobertTaylor

    Steve, you have to be a bit more discerning between what is lip service and what is a soncere belief. There is no way that Dr Z really believes that stuff.
     
    Lip service matters.

    All my life, people told me "aww they don't really mean it, they just have to say certain things". And yet whatever PC dogma they uttered ended up becoming law, even if the people saying it didn't really believe it.

    Lip service matters.

    Bingo.

    yet whatever PC dogma

    It’s often more like PR dogma.

  247. @Flip
    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white. The "progressive" whites in Chicago know the score despite what they say.

    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white.

    That’s an impressive number. Thanks for noticing.

    • Replies: @Flip
    White people don't send their children to the public schools except for a few elementary schools, and some of the specialized high schools, which means you don't get very much for your real estate taxes. People either send their children to private schools (especially Catholic) or move to the suburbs.
  248. @jack ryan
    Let's try to look on the bright side of this catastrophe:

    Few people are making dumb pollack jokes anymore.

    The Poles seem to be universally intelligent, sensible and practical about this mass Muslim male migration invasion of Europe.

    The Poles are resisting the invasion by about 99% - same with the Hungarians, Slovaks, Serbs etc.

    Only dumb Germans and the worst Lib Swedes think it's a good thing to be invaded millions of low IQ, unskilled, hostile North African, Sub Sahara Black African, Afghan/Pakistani tribal Muslim men of military/raping age.

    Notice those boats packed by the Arab slave traders in Libya - all the migrant invaders are young men.

    There’s nothing especially bad about Germany or Sweden. All Western European countries are heading in the same direction, except that some are going at it faster than others. The difference between them is quantitative rather than qualitative.

  249. @ben tillman

    This is exactly how it works in Sweden at least. There is no conspiracy, just a misunderstanding that others are so similar to us genetically and want to be like us culturally so that any problems we see now are insignificant and temporary.
     
    But the misunderstanding comes from somewhere, and that's where you'll find the "conspiracy" or coordinated action.

    That’s right, the media-educational complex deliberately obscures or minimizes the strangeness of foreign peoples, and depicts their quarrels and beliefs as being just like those of Europeans. It’s deliberate deception.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    As empires will do.
  250. @Peter Akuleyev
    In southeastern Europe there are probably close to 100 million people in countries with half or less of Germany’s GDP per capita: Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc

    The problem is that, other than Ukraine, those sources are actually tapped out. If you walk around Vienna you get the impression that half of Romania and Bulgaria already live here.

    The demographic problem is not just in Germany, all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth. Eastern Europe is already suffering from a lack of young people and the massive flight of talented ambitious people to Germany, Sweden, and the UK. There are plenty of unemployed or underpaid 40-50 year olds in all those countries, but German employers don't want them.

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based - along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.

    all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth

    Population must always be increasing forever. We need 11 billion by 2100. We need 29 billion in 2200.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    I like your sarcasm, on the same page with you.

    I've recently accepted Peter Brimelow's and Jared Taylor's observations about Japan, their alleged "economic stagnation" and their "aging demographic".

    The examples of the Japanese police have little crime to solve, honor and honesty is still yuuuge in Japanese culture, few lawsuits, etc.

    Low birthrate and homogeneity is their strength.
    It appears Japan actually won WWII.

    Our economic analyses miss the cultural/demographic issues that feed into true quality of life. It is a lot more than mere GDP and the usual set of tired metrics.
  251. Flip says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Chicago Public Schools are 9.9% white.
     
    That's an impressive number. Thanks for noticing.

    White people don’t send their children to the public schools except for a few elementary schools, and some of the specialized high schools, which means you don’t get very much for your real estate taxes. People either send their children to private schools (especially Catholic) or move to the suburbs.

  252. @KenH
    What a joke. Only the native Germans and related stocks are endowed with the racial qualities and characteristics which Germans have become known for such as ingenuity, efficiency, orderliness. You can't make a good German out of bad Arab Muslims.

    This engineered mass Afro-Muslim migration into Germany and Western Europe is just the 21st century Morgenthau plan to racially bastardize and destroy that unique branch of the white race.

    This engineered mass Afro-Muslim migration into Germany and Western Europe is just the 21st century Morgenthau plan to racially bastardize and destroy that unique branch of the white race.

    Interesting comment. Competes with the economic explanation that is usually given, even around here.

  253. Flip says:
    @AM

    Duh. Male sexiness is inversely proportional to IQ, in general. Women lust after violent dominance and cruelty, and low IQ men with low ability to curb impulsiveness and see negative consequences are therefore more desirable.
     
    These lovely hypergamy theories never seem to factor in long term longevity of the infant in question. It's like the infant pops out and raises itself for the next decade and a half, no input required.

    How does the lovely oversexed lass in question keep her infant alive to age 5, let alone reproductive age around such a man?


    If German men were violent, dangerous, and abusive, their women would **lust** for them and not want any others.
     
    Their infants also would not have survived a temperate climate. That model only sort of works in tropical places, where food is available year around.

    How do you propose living with such a man holed up during a long winter? Does he put effort in during the summer? Does he share when the larder runs thin in Feb/March/April?

    Part of the issue in my mind right now right now is that Europe has modified Europe enough to make it effectively a tropical climate to the humans involved. Thus people used to a certain physical climate are making themselves right at home.

    If that ever stops, I think advantages of a supposed "beta' male will shine through.

    My observation is that northern European descended women may play with the bad boys when very young, but will settle for a beta provider when they need support for themselves and their children. Of course, these days they throw them out and divorce them when they’ve served their purpose after the children are older. I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.

    • Replies: @AM

    I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.
     
    Until sex robots take over (kinda not kidding here), men have greatly benefited from birth control and promiscuity in modern women. Feminism and sexual liberation=a critical mass of men not having to buy the cow to get the milk.

    Despite hypergamy theories pushed by well meaning young men who frequent bars and have never had children, the average healthy female is wired for monogamy and stable long term relationships. Weddings, until the wonders of sexual liberation, were what women wanted, much more than men.

    The divorce rate is traceable both to pushing women into multiple sexual relationships that damage their mental health/long term relationship building and an over romanticism by both sexes on the meaning and purpose of marriage.

    As a woman, I'd actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women.
  254. @jack ryan
    Look at the bright side. Your Polish neighbors no longer have to put up with insulting "dumb Pollack" jokes.

    Instead it's the stupid dumb German jokes.

    You have to be full on retard to hold up signs welcoming hundreds of thousands of North African Muslim migrant rapists.

    I mean - that's rather dumb!

    Here's hoping lots of dumb Germans get TB, Ebola, STD and then whole German towns get turned over to ISIS.

    Jees you Germans are really dumb.

    A lot of Americans unfortunately have a pretty similar mindset. Just read the NY Times.

  255. @UIA
    Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable. Your comfort zone can kill you.
    http://www.success.com/blog/4-tips-for-leaving-your-comfort-zone

    The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war. Get rid of AC.

    Democracy is the process by which people choose the man who'll get the blame.
    Bertrand Russell, as quoted in Geary's Guide to the World's Great Aphorists (2007)

    One of the commonest things to do with savings is to lend them to some Government. In view of the fact that the bulk of the public expenditure of most civilized Governments consists in payment for past wars or preparation for future wars, the man who lends his money to a Government is in the same position as the bad men in Shakespeare who hire murderers. The net result of the man's economical habits is to increase the armed forces of the State to which he lends his savings. Obviously it would be better if he spent the money, even if he spent it in drink or gambling.

    DIANA.
    Let death and honesty
    Go with your impositions, I am yours
    Upon your will to suffer.

    We can beat them while we drink and gamble. Try the sin you never tried before.

    Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable.

    Meh.

    Afflicting the comfortable is Satan’s job. He doesn’t need the help.

    “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Afflicting the comfortable is the mark of the true leftist. He doesn't mind living like a peon as long as there is no one else around to remind him of how crappy his own life is. This is a deeply rooted human instinct - there have been sumptuary laws from time immemorial so that rich people don't show off too much and piss off the masses.
  256. @res
    That makes sense, but at some point don't the lessees get annoyed by the low residual values? What good is a lease if you end up paying almost the full price of the car over the 3 years?

    This style of reasoning sounds all too similar to American car company attitudes towards quality in the 1970s.

    Nowadays with interest rates hovering at zero, even low residual values still translate to reasonable payments and the monthly payment is all the lessee cares about. In 3 years, a BMW loses around half its value on a 15k mile/year lease but people buy them anyway.

    Sometimes the factory pegs the residual high to move the metal – by the time they have to eat the loss, whoever set the residuals will have already collected his bonus for meeting sales targets 3 years ago.

    Like a lot of modern things, the whole enterprise is built on deep cynicism and contempt for everyone. The only question is how long can you keep the show going before everyone notices the feet of clay, the refrigerators with flammable plastic backs, the “aluminum” cladding on a high rise that is really two thin sheets of aluminum between plastic that is as flammable as gasoline, on and on.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    Interesting comment.
  257. @Desiderius

    Comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable.
     
    Meh.

    Afflicting the comfortable is Satan's job. He doesn't need the help.

    "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63tsdDnJtdQ

    Afflicting the comfortable is the mark of the true leftist. He doesn’t mind living like a peon as long as there is no one else around to remind him of how crappy his own life is. This is a deeply rooted human instinct – there have been sumptuary laws from time immemorial so that rich people don’t show off too much and piss off the masses.

  258. The name of that country in Northern Europe is: Merkelstan.

    This Germany you speak of is long gone, like Atlantis, probably just mythical.

  259. @YetAnotherAnon
    When the National Health Service was set up in 1947 or thereabouts, Britain was 99.9% white British and still pretty Christian too. The idea of letting sick British people die to save money would have been unthinkable (on the other hand several tens of thousands died in London smogs, eventually the Clean Air Acts were passed.)

    Looks like the NHS is just another one of the many nice things we can't have any more.

    I think socialism can sort of work in a high trust, ethnically homogenous society, but it breaks down when outsiders come in who want to free ride and game the system.

    • Replies: @AM

    I think socialism can sort of work in a high trust, ethnically homogenous society, but it breaks down when outsiders come in who want to free ride and game the system.
     
    I'll try not to argue too much about socialism again, but socialism is in fact making high trust, ethnically homogeneous societies import hostile populations on their tax dollars.

    Generally speaking, the more socialistic a European society, the more they welcome the invaders. Unless they're Danish, in which case it was pre-noted they were free loaders and they go back to their gay marriages, smoking, and pretending they're having a nice life while noone has children.

    Communism actively tore (and tears down) the societies that embraced it. There's every reason to assume that communism lite (socialism) is the same disaster in slow motion, in a slightly different direction.
  260. @Hippopotamusdrome


    all of Europe is suffering from slow to negative population growth

     

    Population must always be increasing forever. We need 11 billion by 2100. We need 29 billion in 2200.

    I like your sarcasm, on the same page with you.

    I’ve recently accepted Peter Brimelow’s and Jared Taylor’s observations about Japan, their alleged “economic stagnation” and their “aging demographic”.

    The examples of the Japanese police have little crime to solve, honor and honesty is still yuuuge in Japanese culture, few lawsuits, etc.

    Low birthrate and homogeneity is their strength.
    It appears Japan actually won WWII.

    Our economic analyses miss the cultural/demographic issues that feed into true quality of life. It is a lot more than mere GDP and the usual set of tired metrics.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief

    The examples of the Japanese police have little crime to solve, honor and honesty is still yuuuge in Japanese culture, few lawsuits, etc.
     
    This should be quantifiable and make for a good indicator of a well functioning society. Sociologists at any sorts of decent Universities - unite in the good work. We, the reasonable part of the worldwide public sphere, salute you!
  261. @Jack D
    Nowadays with interest rates hovering at zero, even low residual values still translate to reasonable payments and the monthly payment is all the lessee cares about. In 3 years, a BMW loses around half its value on a 15k mile/year lease but people buy them anyway.

    Sometimes the factory pegs the residual high to move the metal - by the time they have to eat the loss, whoever set the residuals will have already collected his bonus for meeting sales targets 3 years ago.

    Like a lot of modern things, the whole enterprise is built on deep cynicism and contempt for everyone. The only question is how long can you keep the show going before everyone notices the feet of clay, the refrigerators with flammable plastic backs, the "aluminum" cladding on a high rise that is really two thin sheets of aluminum between plastic that is as flammable as gasoline, on and on.

    Interesting comment.

  262. @AM

    The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.
     
    LOL! The West is doomed with Spencerian white nationalism. He's a liberal who likes white people. He's gotten sucker punched and had his Mom brought into the fray.. and he's whined about it to date.

    I keep asking what holidays do white people celebrate and what do they believe? I guess we believe in the magic of white DNA, gay marriage, tattoos, and our highest of holidays, The Superbowl.

    The rest of the world is shaking in it's boots, I'm sure.

    Muh low marginal tax rates!

  263. This Tweet is from October 2015:

    Merkel Has Locked Herself In The Cockpit And She Is Flying Germany Into The Mountain.

    Civil War Is Coming To France, Germany, the United Kingdom and the United States. To be determined is what type of civil war.

    Mass Immigration Creates Civil War Within Nations.

  264. I am sure most contributors on this site are aware of what Winston Churchill wrote in his book, The River War, written over a hundred years ago, but his statement bears repeating. He indicated that Europe’s scientific advancements would save it from the onslaught of Islamism. Perhaps Merkel and others never read the book , or could care less.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    I am sure most contributors on this site are aware of what Winston Churchill wrote in his book, The River War, written over a hundred years ago, but his statement bears repeating.

     

    You mean this statement?


    ..there are many people in England, and perhaps elsewhere, who seem to be unable to contemplate military operations for clear political objects, unless they can cajole themselves into the belief that their enemy are utterly and hopelessly vile. To this end the [Germans*] have been loaded with every variety of abuse and charged with all conceivable crimes. This may be very comforting to philanthropic persons at home; but when an army in the field becomes imbued with the idea that the enemy are vermin who cumber the earth, instances of barbarity may easily be the outcome. This unmeasured condemnation is moreover as unjust as it is dangerous and unnecessary... We are told that the British and [American†] armies entered [Belgium‡] to free the people from the [Kaiser's§] yoke. Never were rescuers more unwelcome.

     

    Note: I have excised the anti-Semitic author's Islamophobic portrayals of Muslims as enemies which may be illegal.
    * the Dervishes, from the Mahdi and the Khalifa downwards
    † Egyptian
    ‡ Omdurman
    § Khalifa's

    the_kaiser_miss_me_yet.jpg

    Belgium made safe for Democracy:


    Islam in Belgium
    ... Muslims are concentrated in certain regions of the country, constituting 23.6% of the population in Brussels

     

    The Rape of Belgium:


    Migrant who repeatedly raped runaway schoolgirl and threatened to kill her SPARED JAIL
    ... AN IRANIAN migrant who threatened to kill a runaway schoolgirl if she screamed as he repeatedly raped her has been spared jail in a shock sentencing.
    ... The 20-year-old, who has not been named, was found guilty of drugging and raping the 15-year-old girl by the court in Tongeren, Belgium.

    But the sick pervert has been spared jail in a shock verdict - and got away with a suspended sentence.
    ...
    During the horrific sex attack, she was bitten by her abuser and nearly suffocated after he put his hands around her throat to stop her screaming.
    ...
    Handing him a suspended sentence, the judge also fined the Iranian £3,680 in compensation to the girl and her family.

     

  265. @Romanian
    You made a mistake with the average price of a home - it's 334% larger in Santa Clara than in the rest of the country.

    Thank you; I learned from this experience not to hurriedly perform mathematical operations with a phone whilst composing writing and battling crappy mobile browsers’ penchant to reload themselves.

  266. @fnn

    German Vice-Chancellor says refugees are more German than Germans who criticize refugee policy, wants critics locked up. pic.twitter.com/fbaSL5pMVC— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) July 1, 2017
     

    I watched the video. He’s a despicable human being. He looks, and acts like a live action version of the pigs in Animal Farm when they start walking on two feet. More cynically, that type of immoral beast has actually been selected for in the upper ranks as the lackey of the big bankers. A man with integrity never would have made it that far.

    I mean he could just be happy with his privileged position but nooooooooo, that won’t do. He has to take a swipe at the suffering common man to add insult to injury. But when has it ever not been thus? Elites gonna elite. Post-War USA was just an aberration, a blip on the radar.

  267. @Desiderius

    Or a Vanguard Cadre of failed aspirants to the High will mobilize part of the Low as leadership cadre.
     
    I.e. George Washington.

    We're not in a cold Civil War, we're in a cold Revolutionary War.

    No. More like Paris 1793, Saint Petersburg 1917, or Tehran 1979.

    Washington was a member of the status quo elite, and the American Revolution is more realistically described as a rebellion.

    Vanguard cadres are something else. REAL revolution travels on their heels.

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    Washington was a member of the status quo elite
     
    No, not so much.

    He had hoped to rise in the British Army, but found himself stymied by anti-colonial prejudice. Not unlike the prejudice today against flyover-Americans.

    Read Franklin's account of his visit to Parliament in the early 1770s - he went over an enthusiastic anglophile and left disgusted at the British prejudice.
  268. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    For a while I've been calling for an Aliyah for European-Americans.

    Go back to our roots and stop oppressing the poor indigenous and people of color.

    I'll be [email protected] to raise children who are going to be hectored and indoctrinated about their evil oppressive original sin & white privilege @ places like Yale, Middlebury or Evergreen.

    The local primary and secondary public schools are even worse. That kind of lunacy at Evergreen doesn't erupt spontaneously when they turn eighteen. The seeds have been sown long before and the minds are probably poisoned beyond hope...

    Nice idea, but there is no right of return in Germany for the descendants of German parents—well, mothers.

    I have two German grandparents, my mother was born in Berlin, forced expatriate, plus, I speak German and am self-employed.
    And the German state will not recognize me as a German.
    But it takes in millions of migrants. Go figure.

    • Replies: @anon
    Have you checked? See, for example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law#Descent_from_a_German_parent

    Also,

    http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/05__Legal/02__Directory__Services/02__Citizenship/__Restored.html

    I think you stand more than an even chance. Especially so if you have good education and marketable skills.
  269. @Flip
    Do you think it is worth paying the premium for a Lexus over the comparable Toyota?

    ’93 Toyota here , knockwood .

  270. @Jack D
    That last point is critical - the target market for German luxury cars nowadays are posers who lease them for 3 years - that's what moves the metal. Nobody, not the factory and not the customers, gives a damn about what happens when the warranty is up and the lease is over. If you told the factory that the cars were going to be crushed after 3 years, it would gladden their hearts because it would mean less competition for new sales. There is no consideration for long term durability and no consideration for repairability. Add to that German love of complex solutions and older German cars are a costly nightmare to keep on the road. If you want to know why a $75,000+ BMW 7 series loses 80% of its value in a few years, that's why. The old days when taxis in 3rd world countries were Mercedes diesels that would run through the potholed streets on bad fuel for a million miles are just a memory.

    It really is a shame, but you are right. Something the Germans used to do well, durable/rugged/maintainable cars/motorcycles, is a thing of the past.

    You wonder what happened? Germany used to be a nation of machinists, Mittelstand, all that, what happened and why?

    I have a BMWK100RS in its original baby blue/grey paint. A timeless machine, the engines last forever, still looks like a modern bike. It and the Suzuki Katana, both apparently designed by Hans Muth, created the modern sportbike look that remains the mainstream today.

    And you can pick up perfectly running examples for a song, like 3-4k, and get all the parts, no kidding, you need at a BMW service department. Pretty amazing that and I give BMW a lot of credit for having nearly complete parts supply for a 30 year old model.

    But I’d bet dollars to donuts that there will not, 30 years henceforth, be an ample supply of today’s BMW bikes on the used market. You can just look at them and see they are made from the same globo-goop used for nearly every product made today.

  271. @AM

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based – along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.
     
    There are more important things than money. Having a culture and country comes to mind.

    Does Japan "need" immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes? That's a thought, along with trying to take a look at the reasons why a well fed population is not even reproducing itself.

    Immigration is a lazy, greedy white man fix to problems that are going to bring heartache and violence. It's not like America has benefited or fixed the problems from when she tried it the first time with African slaves.

    Does Japan “need” immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes?

    Bingo!

    We’ve been hearing about disastrous Japan for 25+ years now, post Japan bubble economy, which the West, incidentally, adored to pieces, so much opportunity for arbitrage.

    Anyhow, yeah, that is the point, the demographic “catastrophe” has been ongoing in Japan for 25+ years, but it is all a figment and yowling, no meatspace (remember that word?) catastrophe ever happens.

    Only two explanations.

    A. It isn’t really as catastrophic as all that, the declining fertility in Japan.

    B. Japan is managing to sort through what is believed to be, by Economist, et al, to be a societal catastrophe of unparalleled degree, existential to the core, with little ado and fuss.

    So in either case, good on the Japanese, right? They either haven’t lost their heads over wild prognostications of foreigners or they manage through an epic crisis with little complaint or comment.

    Japanese have been running their country for an awful long time. Something not much commented about in the West is the degree of institutional memory in Japan, in society at large. It is so much that it is a qualitative difference between it and typical western societies.

    It was pretty interesting living there in the years after the recent earthquake/tsunami, how Japanese society organized itself around solving the manifold problems that ensued.

    • Replies: @Kyle McKenna
    You are exactly right in every particular. The Japanese as a nation are focused on quality (of life) instead of quantity. They may not do everything perfectly, but they sure run their society a whole lot better than we do.

    Western establishment media has to keep this on the down low, of course, because by our enlightened, cosmopolitan precepts Japan is racist and xenophobic. Funny thing though, our countries are in a downward spiral toward third-world status. Japan isn't.

  272. AM says:
    @Flip
    My observation is that northern European descended women may play with the bad boys when very young, but will settle for a beta provider when they need support for themselves and their children. Of course, these days they throw them out and divorce them when they've served their purpose after the children are older. I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.

    I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.

    Until sex robots take over (kinda not kidding here), men have greatly benefited from birth control and promiscuity in modern women. Feminism and sexual liberation=a critical mass of men not having to buy the cow to get the milk.

    Despite hypergamy theories pushed by well meaning young men who frequent bars and have never had children, the average healthy female is wired for monogamy and stable long term relationships. Weddings, until the wonders of sexual liberation, were what women wanted, much more than men.

    The divorce rate is traceable both to pushing women into multiple sexual relationships that damage their mental health/long term relationship building and an over romanticism by both sexes on the meaning and purpose of marriage.

    As a woman, I’d actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Everything you say here is consistent with the "hypergamy theories" you feel obliged to denigrate. Serial monogamy still feels like monogamy - to the woman, but not crucially to her children, which is where things go off the rails.
    , @Flip
    "As a woman, I’d actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women."

    I'd start by returning the stigma of illegitimacy and shunning single mothers. They used to have to get married or put the child up for adoption.
  273. AM says:
    @Flip
    I think socialism can sort of work in a high trust, ethnically homogenous society, but it breaks down when outsiders come in who want to free ride and game the system.

    I think socialism can sort of work in a high trust, ethnically homogenous society, but it breaks down when outsiders come in who want to free ride and game the system.

    I’ll try not to argue too much about socialism again, but socialism is in fact making high trust, ethnically homogeneous societies import hostile populations on their tax dollars.

    Generally speaking, the more socialistic a European society, the more they welcome the invaders. Unless they’re Danish, in which case it was pre-noted they were free loaders and they go back to their gay marriages, smoking, and pretending they’re having a nice life while noone has children.

    Communism actively tore (and tears down) the societies that embraced it. There’s every reason to assume that communism lite (socialism) is the same disaster in slow motion, in a slightly different direction.

  274. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle
    The god given right of employers to open borders is so internalised in the MSM, it's rather funny. Here is the latest Brxit scare story from the Beeb:


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40475702

    "Employers having to pay more to recruit new staff"


    "the *problem* was costing companies more than £2bn a year."

    But wait — there’s more!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40188997

    Do passports restrict economic growth?

    [MORE]

    For an economics article it’s odd to see a few paragraphs of fiction about the Aylan Kurdi incident mixed in:

    … But the dinghy capsized in rough seas. Abdullah managed to cling to the boat, but his wife and children drowned.

    … The Kurdis hadn’t planned to stay in Greece. They hoped eventually to start a new life in Vancouver, where Abdullah’s sister Teema is a hairdresser.

    There are easier ways to travel from Turkey to Canada than taking a dinghy to Kos.

    Abdullah had money: the 4,000 euros (£2,500; $4,460) he paid a people-smuggler could have bought plane tickets for them all – if they had had the right passports.

    … It can seem natural that the name of the country on our passport determines where we can travel and work – legally, at least.

    Discrimination

    But it’s a relatively recent historical development, and, from a certain angle, it’s odd.

    … Many countries ban employers from discriminating among workers based on characteristics we can’t change: whether we’re male or female, young or old, gay or straight, black or white.

    … But, mostly, our passport depends on the identity of our parents and location of our birth. And nobody chooses those.

    Despite this, there’s no public clamour to judge people not by the colour of their passport but by the content of their character.

    … Europe’s leaders scramble to distinguish refugees from “economic migrants”, the assumption being that someone who isn’t fleeing persecution – but merely wants a better job or life – should not be let in.

    Politically, the logic of restrictions on migration may be increasingly hard to dispute.

    Yet economic logic points in the opposite direction. In theory, whenever you allow factors of production to follow demand, output rises.

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners. In the wealthiest countries – by one estimate – five in six of the existing population are made better off by the arrival of immigrants.

    So why doesn’t this translate into popular support for open borders?

    There are practical and cultural reasons why migration can be badly managed: if public services aren’t upgraded quickly enough to cope with new arrivals, or belief systems prove hard to reconcile.

    … The benefits – slightly cheaper fruit for everyone – are too widely spread and small to notice, while the costs – some Americans lose their jobs – produce vocal unhappiness.

    … It should be possible to arrange taxes and public spending to compensate the losers. But it doesn’t tend to work that way.

    … Like John Gadsby, anyone with the right colour passport can only count their blessings.

    So this is how an economist-journalist uses the color of your skin trope without scaring away too many businessmen with SJWism: the color of your passport.

  275. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle
    The god given right of employers to open borders is so internalised in the MSM, it's rather funny. Here is the latest Brxit scare story from the Beeb:


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40475702

    "Employers having to pay more to recruit new staff"


    "the *problem* was costing companies more than £2bn a year."

    But wait — there’s more!

    bbc.com/news/business-40188997

    Do passports restrict economic growth?

    For an economics article it’s odd to see a few paragraphs of fiction about the Aylan Kurdi incident mixed in:

    [MORE]

    … But the dinghy capsized in rough seas. Abdullah managed to cling to the boat, but his wife and children drowned.

    … The Kurdis hadn’t planned to stay in Greece. They hoped eventually to start a new life in Vancouver, where Abdullah’s sister Teema is a hairdresser.

    There are easier ways to travel from Turkey to Canada than taking a dinghy to Kos.

    Abdullah had money: the 4,000 euros (£2,500; $4,460) he paid a people-smuggler could have bought plane tickets for them all – if they had had the right passports.

    … It can seem natural that the name of the country on our passport determines where we can travel and work – legally, at least.

    Discrimination

    But it’s a relatively recent historical development, and, from a certain angle, it’s odd.

    … Many countries ban employers from discriminating among workers based on characteristics we can’t change: whether we’re male or female, young or old, gay or straight, black or white.

    … But, mostly, our passport depends on the identity of our parents and location of our birth. And nobody chooses those.

    Despite this, there’s no public clamour to judge people not by the colour of their passport but by the content of their character.

    … Europe’s leaders scramble to distinguish refugees from “economic migrants”, the assumption being that someone who isn’t fleeing persecution – but merely wants a better job or life – should not be let in.

    Politically, the logic of restrictions on migration may be increasingly hard to dispute.

    Yet economic logic points in the opposite direction. In theory, whenever you allow factors of production to follow demand, output rises.

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners. In the wealthiest countries – by one estimate – five in six of the existing population are made better off by the arrival of immigrants.

    So why doesn’t this translate into popular support for open borders?

    There are practical and cultural reasons why migration can be badly managed: if public services aren’t upgraded quickly enough to cope with new arrivals, or belief systems prove hard to reconcile.

    … The benefits – slightly cheaper fruit for everyone – are too widely spread and small to notice, while the costs – some Americans lose their jobs – produce vocal unhappiness.

    … It should be possible to arrange taxes and public spending to compensate the losers. But it doesn’t tend to work that way.

    … Like John Gadsby, anyone with the right colour passport can only count their blessings.

    So this is how an economist-journalist uses the color of your skin trope without scaring away too many businessmen with SJWism: the color of your passport.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    From the BBC article:

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners.
     
    Indeed. Research indicates that if you let 100m Africans into Britain, all the Africans would be winners. Who cares about the 60m indigenous population? They'll be a minority.
  276. @Anonymous
    That's right, the media-educational complex deliberately obscures or minimizes the strangeness of foreign peoples, and depicts their quarrels and beliefs as being just like those of Europeans. It's deliberate deception.

    As empires will do.

  277. @AM

    I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.
     
    Until sex robots take over (kinda not kidding here), men have greatly benefited from birth control and promiscuity in modern women. Feminism and sexual liberation=a critical mass of men not having to buy the cow to get the milk.

    Despite hypergamy theories pushed by well meaning young men who frequent bars and have never had children, the average healthy female is wired for monogamy and stable long term relationships. Weddings, until the wonders of sexual liberation, were what women wanted, much more than men.

    The divorce rate is traceable both to pushing women into multiple sexual relationships that damage their mental health/long term relationship building and an over romanticism by both sexes on the meaning and purpose of marriage.

    As a woman, I'd actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women.

    Everything you say here is consistent with the “hypergamy theories” you feel obliged to denigrate. Serial monogamy still feels like monogamy – to the woman, but not crucially to her children, which is where things go off the rails.

  278. @DJohn1
    No. More like Paris 1793, Saint Petersburg 1917, or Tehran 1979.

    Washington was a member of the status quo elite, and the American Revolution is more realistically described as a rebellion.

    Vanguard cadres are something else. REAL revolution travels on their heels.

    Washington was a member of the status quo elite

    No, not so much.

    He had hoped to rise in the British Army, but found himself stymied by anti-colonial prejudice. Not unlike the prejudice today against flyover-Americans.

    Read Franklin’s account of his visit to Parliament in the early 1770s – he went over an enthusiastic anglophile and left disgusted at the British prejudice.

  279. @anonguy

    Does Japan “need” immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes?
     
    Bingo!

    We've been hearing about disastrous Japan for 25+ years now, post Japan bubble economy, which the West, incidentally, adored to pieces, so much opportunity for arbitrage.

    Anyhow, yeah, that is the point, the demographic "catastrophe" has been ongoing in Japan for 25+ years, but it is all a figment and yowling, no meatspace (remember that word?) catastrophe ever happens.

    Only two explanations.

    A. It isn't really as catastrophic as all that, the declining fertility in Japan.

    B. Japan is managing to sort through what is believed to be, by Economist, et al, to be a societal catastrophe of unparalleled degree, existential to the core, with little ado and fuss.

    So in either case, good on the Japanese, right? They either haven't lost their heads over wild prognostications of foreigners or they manage through an epic crisis with little complaint or comment.

    Japanese have been running their country for an awful long time. Something not much commented about in the West is the degree of institutional memory in Japan, in society at large. It is so much that it is a qualitative difference between it and typical western societies.

    It was pretty interesting living there in the years after the recent earthquake/tsunami, how Japanese society organized itself around solving the manifold problems that ensued.

    You are exactly right in every particular. The Japanese as a nation are focused on quality (of life) instead of quantity. They may not do everything perfectly, but they sure run their society a whole lot better than we do.

    Western establishment media has to keep this on the down low, of course, because by our enlightened, cosmopolitan precepts Japan is racist and xenophobic. Funny thing though, our countries are in a downward spiral toward third-world status. Japan isn’t.

  280. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Skeptikal
    Nice idea, but there is no right of return in Germany for the descendants of German parents---well, mothers.

    I have two German grandparents, my mother was born in Berlin, forced expatriate, plus, I speak German and am self-employed.
    And the German state will not recognize me as a German.
    But it takes in millions of migrants. Go figure.

    Have you checked? See, for example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law#Descent_from_a_German_parent

    Also,

    http://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/05__Legal/02__Directory__Services/02__Citizenship/__Restored.html

    I think you stand more than an even chance. Especially so if you have good education and marketable skills.

  281. @AM

    I think that Europe does need some level of immigration from outside Europe to stay competitive, but it needs to be managed and skills based – along the Danish model. Maybe if all the Trump haters put their money where their mouth is we will be getting an influx of white Americans with liberal arts degrees soon.
     
    There are more important things than money. Having a culture and country comes to mind.

    Does Japan "need" immigration? Or are they simply managing the effects of a shrinking population as it comes? That's a thought, along with trying to take a look at the reasons why a well fed population is not even reproducing itself.

    Immigration is a lazy, greedy white man fix to problems that are going to bring heartache and violence. It's not like America has benefited or fixed the problems from when she tried it the first time with African slaves.

    Every major culture takes immigrants. The succesful ones limit the numbers and manage to incorporate them into the national fabric. Germany absorbed the French Huguenots, not to mention millions and millions of Poles, Czechs, and Hungarians over the past five hundred years who are now fully Germanized. (Hitler himself, like a lot of Austrians, was probably more ethnically “Czech” than “German”.) The UK always absorbed reasonable numbers of refugees from the continent – Spaniards, Frenchmen, Russian aristocrats, Poles, etc. Even Japan has a significant Korean minority.

  282. @Jack D
    This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. European women don't have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don't have them because they are not optimistic about the future. Fix that and there's no need to import foreigners. It's especially pathetic to destroy your country's future so that some big corporation can save a few bucks on labor costs.

    European women don’t have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don’t have them because they are not optimistic about the future.

    Are Africans in Niger optimistic about the future? From my observations I would say Europeans don’t have children because the culture encourages selfishness and navel-gazing. How do you fit a kid into your busy schedule of self-actualization? Between yoga classes, trips to Mallorca, Spanish lessons, Christmas in Thailand, and sitting in cafes with friends, where does a child fit in?

    At least in Austria and Germany people feel entitled to a stress-free life with 6 weeks vacation a year. People wish you an “erholsamen Sommer” – a relaxing summer (with overtones of “restorative”) I guess because the stress of those 7 hour work days, five days a week, is just killing everyone. And you want to add kids to that stress?

    Poles are increasingly the same way. Most young Poles I know are dedicated to their hobbies first and foremost. They want to go mountain biking in the Tatras, ski in Austria and wind-surf in Turkey. They don’t have time for kids. Some day they will all wake up 50 and with regrets.

    It is also a funny thing about the European semi-socialist economy that most people can afford to live a nice middle-class lifestyle as long they are single. You really don’t need much money to rent a nice small flat, get some Ikea furniture, buy a guitar, hang out in cool bars in hipster neighborhoods and take cheap camping vacations to Croatia or Spain. Having a kid really does ratchet up the economic pressure, and having two? forget it.

  283. @Anonymous
    But wait -- there's more!

    bbc.com/news/business-40188997

    Do passports restrict economic growth?
     
    For an economics article it's odd to see a few paragraphs of fiction about the Aylan Kurdi incident mixed in:


    ... But the dinghy capsized in rough seas. Abdullah managed to cling to the boat, but his wife and children drowned.

    ... The Kurdis hadn't planned to stay in Greece. They hoped eventually to start a new life in Vancouver, where Abdullah's sister Teema is a hairdresser.

    There are easier ways to travel from Turkey to Canada than taking a dinghy to Kos.

    Abdullah had money: the 4,000 euros (£2,500; $4,460) he paid a people-smuggler could have bought plane tickets for them all - if they had had the right passports.

    ... It can seem natural that the name of the country on our passport determines where we can travel and work - legally, at least.

    Discrimination

    But it's a relatively recent historical development, and, from a certain angle, it's odd.

    ... Many countries ban employers from discriminating among workers based on characteristics we can't change: whether we're male or female, young or old, gay or straight, black or white.

    ... But, mostly, our passport depends on the identity of our parents and location of our birth. And nobody chooses those.

    Despite this, there's no public clamour to judge people not by the colour of their passport but by the content of their character.

    ... Europe's leaders scramble to distinguish refugees from "economic migrants", the assumption being that someone who isn't fleeing persecution - but merely wants a better job or life - should not be let in.

    Politically, the logic of restrictions on migration may be increasingly hard to dispute.

    Yet economic logic points in the opposite direction. In theory, whenever you allow factors of production to follow demand, output rises.

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners. In the wealthiest countries - by one estimate - five in six of the existing population are made better off by the arrival of immigrants.

    So why doesn't this translate into popular support for open borders?

    There are practical and cultural reasons why migration can be badly managed: if public services aren't upgraded quickly enough to cope with new arrivals, or belief systems prove hard to reconcile.

    ... The benefits - slightly cheaper fruit for everyone - are too widely spread and small to notice, while the costs - some Americans lose their jobs - produce vocal unhappiness.

    ... It should be possible to arrange taxes and public spending to compensate the losers. But it doesn't tend to work that way.

    ... Like John Gadsby, anyone with the right colour passport can only count their blessings.

     

    So this is how an economist-journalist uses the color of your skin trope without scaring away too many businessmen with SJWism: the color of your passport.

    From the BBC article:

    In practice, all migration creates winners and losers, but research indicates there are many more winners.

    Indeed. Research indicates that if you let 100m Africans into Britain, all the Africans would be winners. Who cares about the 60m indigenous population? They’ll be a minority.

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
  284. Flip says:
    @AM

    I think there is a reason society constrained female behavior as much as it used to.
     
    Until sex robots take over (kinda not kidding here), men have greatly benefited from birth control and promiscuity in modern women. Feminism and sexual liberation=a critical mass of men not having to buy the cow to get the milk.

    Despite hypergamy theories pushed by well meaning young men who frequent bars and have never had children, the average healthy female is wired for monogamy and stable long term relationships. Weddings, until the wonders of sexual liberation, were what women wanted, much more than men.

    The divorce rate is traceable both to pushing women into multiple sexual relationships that damage their mental health/long term relationship building and an over romanticism by both sexes on the meaning and purpose of marriage.

    As a woman, I'd actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women.

    “As a woman, I’d actually welcome the removal of no-fault divorce and the return of the stigma on divorcees. It would remove the worst of the divorce abuses by older women.”

    I’d start by returning the stigma of illegitimacy and shunning single mothers. They used to have to get married or put the child up for adoption.

  285. @Anonymous
    Russia is actually a multicultural empire as well and the Russians themselves are a quarter gook, so the mudbloods can't be trusted for anything. The world is doomed without Spencerian white nationalism. Only the whites of the US can save the world, and only those specifically descended from Western European Anglo blood. Everything went wrong with the Irish in the first place.

    “American White” is a neo-ethnos forged under the melting pot pressures of the North American frontier c. 1600 to 1900. Former distinct European peoples merged into one people during a process of ethnogenesis. Irish was one of the first constituents blended into the neo-ethnos, and it is not separable.

    The process of ethnogenesis is always ongoing, and it never ends. Great imperial peoples like the Romans, Byzantines, Russians and Americans rise by forging themselves out of multiple precursor populations. They are forged by the pressures of high-intensity frontiers with very alien populations – the Celts, Avars, Tatars and Amerinds, respectively. They begin to fade when they succeed; as the borders are pushed out the core territory is secured from frontier pressures. Lacking frontier pressures, the people of the core territory no longer have motivation to be disciplined and great. The core begins its decay.

    Like and respect them or not, the Palestinians did not exist as a people in 1940. They damn sure do today. They have been forged into being by the pressures of a frontier.

    Conversely, the south Italian Romans of 2500 years ago forged on of the greatest empires in world history. But their descendants haven’t done anything great in 1500 years – a decayed core region that has never again been a frontier and so able to re-temper itself. But northern Italy has been a medium-intensity frontier region, and so northern Italy is functional and prosperous versus southern Italy. Consistently.

    Stable gene structure, bloodlines and aesthetics have nothing to do with that. The Norsemen Vikings of 1000 years ago were some of the greatest conquerors and raiders of their age; today, their descendants are looking for excuses to go extinct. That isn’t because of genes, that’s because of something much more potent.

    That’s because of asabiya.

  286. @Jack D
    This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. European women don't have medical issues that prevent them from having children. They don't have them because they are not optimistic about the future. Fix that and there's no need to import foreigners. It's especially pathetic to destroy your country's future so that some big corporation can save a few bucks on labor costs.

    On the contrary. The problem with reproduction is the modern world, and the Developed and Western worlds especially, is not a problem of optimism. It is a problem of resources.

    Specifically, too many resources. We are rich to the point where resources and wealth are effectively infinite, or at least so vast that the boundaries cannot be seen. This is sufficient to fool the animal hindbrain into thinking that resources are infinite.

    Under such conditions, what would be seen as insane hubris in more marginal times can make a kind of sense, and praiseworthy behaviors can be twisted. Providing for the helpless is a good thing, so why NOT blow a few trillion dollars a year on a vast and generous welfare system? Its only money, right? And money aka wealth aka resources are now infinite, right?

    Of course, resources aka wealth are not really infinite, but that won’t be recognized for many generations. The West has been in a condition of effectively infinite resources since at least 1880.

    The problem with a condition of effectively infinite resources is that it leads to social decay in fairly predictable ways. This was studied extensively by Dr. John Calhoun in his mouse utopia experiments back in the ’60s. Reproduction declines and stops, consistent social pathologies and senseless violence develop. In the models the rodent populations eventually went extinct, but the utopia rodent colonies were closed systems in ways that no human society ever can be. We just collapse and reboot

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    Specifically, too many resources. We are rich to the point where resources and wealth are effectively infinite

    Then why are we $8 trillion on debt?