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Georgetown fires professor after ‘reprehensible’ remarks about Black students
BY JOSEPH CHOI – 03/11/21 02:23 PM EST 379Georgetown Law has fired a professor for “reprehensible” comments about Black students that were shared online.
Dean of Georgetown Law Bill Treanor said he was “appalled” by the “reprehensible” statements made by former professor Sandra Sellers and David Batson, another professor who was placed on administration leave, in a letter to the Georgetown Law community on Thursday.
… “I informed Professor Sellers that I was terminating her relationship with Georgetown Law effective immediately. During our conversation, she told me that she had intended to resign. As a result of my decision, Professor Sellers is no longer affiliated with Georgetown Law,” Treanor said.
Batson has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation by the school’s Office of Diversity, Equity and Affirmative Action. Batson will not be involved in courses while the investigation is being conducted.
“This is by no means the end of our work to address the many structural issues of racism reflected in this painful incident, including explicit and implicit bias, bystander responsibility, and the need for more comprehensive anti-bias training,” Treanor added.
Sellers was heard in a video discussion with Batson talking over her “angst” about the performance of Black students, NBC News reported.
The conversation was recorded and posted on the online Panopto which students have access to as they attend virtual classes.
“I end up having this angst every semester that a lot of my lower ones are Blacks, happens almost every semester,” Sellers said in the video. …
So, listen to Georgetown University’s message: you must NOT feel angst over the lower average performance of black students. Harden your feelings.
No that’s a joke.
iSteve commenter Jack D says:
Well, that didn’t take long.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don’t expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I’ll repeat my earlier comment – for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It’s an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller’s crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death – to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our “justice” system is only slow when it wants to be slow.
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As much as it signals lots of virtue, at least don’t broadcast your angst on Panoptocon. Some people somewhere will take it the wrong way. All large organizations, public and private, these days have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy. That means, as a manager or administrator, the safest thing to do is to make a big-ass mountain out a mole hill. You can’t go wrong doing that.
I was the victim of that sort of thing many years ago, but it wasn’t a career job I was kicked out of, and it only involved having to sleep on the floor of my brother’s and his friend’s apartment for the rest of the summer. (There was no way I was going to go home and never hear the end of it from my Dad.)
Based advice.
Surprisingly good article from Bloomberg.
Rules for Antiracists
1. Don’t say the quiet part out loud
2. Say the outlandish part really loudly and protractedly
It’s always the same.
Blacks CANNOT underperform. Hell, they were Kangz.
If it looks like they do, someone set the bar to “racist”.
And who can compete with that?
Bystanders shall be responsibilized until Black Grades improve. Prepare for bullhorns at dawn.
She should have explained the extra pressures Students of Colourcdeal with that white students don’t have to face.
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of Color
Students of color at top law schools have to deal with the pressure created by knowing that very few of them will pass the bar exam on the first try, unlike the white students at the top law schools.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
Students of Colourcdeal
Another thing-the difference
Two missing periods
Tiny Duck, you are godammed Picasso.
It must be hell getting free everything along with much lower admission standards "that white students don’t have to face."
https://twitter.com/KirbySommers/status/1368896383730806784
Good question.
Well, that didn’t take long.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don’t expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I’ll repeat my earlier comment – for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It’s an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller’s crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death – to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our “justice” system is only slow when it wants to be slow.
No trial is necessary, because a trial could contaminate even the judges, jurors, and lawyers by making them think the unthinkable thought.
The immediate sentence is excommunication, which means the certainty of eternal hell fire for the future, and removal from all records of the present.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AShartIsBorn
His Anglophone clients, that is. It probably would have been ignored by his Japanese clients.Replies: @Paperback Writer
What is actually reprehensible about her statements?
There's no malice or bias or ridicule in that video. She expressed what she's SUPPOSED to express: concern. Ideally (from the HR / BLM perspective) she would then declare its her own fault as a white woman and decide to redouble her efforts, but angst is a correct first step.
I understand that the she's white and said the word "blacks", and that's pretty much enough to get cancelled by the Twitter-mob logic. But this is the Dean of Georgetown Law. Presumably he has at least some passing expertise with with language, logic, arguments and "thinking". THIS is what he comes up with?
This is a new low...Replies: @Jack D, @Elsewhere, @Art Deco
In Judaism, this is khumra, "building a fence around the law," i.e., taking a precaution that you might be led into transgressing. But it wasn't an actual transgression.Replies: @International Jew
The Zoom Karen in question. I assume she did not have tenure.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/william-m-treanor/
mailto:[email protected]Replies: @Polistra
The lesson here is to never care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4BtGA27duEReplies: @GeraldB, @Ed
Previous poster said she was an Adjunct. Adjuncts never have tenure, they are contracted to teach specific courses in specific semesters. They get paid next to nothing and all of them either have a full-time job outside of teaching, or they teach for six different schools in order to get enough courses to earn a living wage. Adjuncts rarely get fired, the school just quietly stops assigning them courses.
Faculty members whose cash compensation is at the 10th percentile are paid about $40,000 per year, with some variation by discipline. About 30% of all faculty teach no more than 4 credits per term and 46% are coded p/t faculty.
Faculty complain a great deal.Replies: @Jack D, @gent
We need to spread the meme that because white really means “competent,” as in the black expression “acting white,” then the attacks on whiteness, white privilege, white supremacy and so forth really have the effect of attacking the value of an adequately functioning human mind.
Steve,
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and “wears his heart on his sleeve”. He is a “I love all people” kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren’t supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.
What the parents need to do is start getting the crazy teachers fired. Gang up on them.Replies: @HammerJack
I'd be within earshot at least.
Tennessee is a one-party consent wiretap state, so I'd record it too.
They’re both adjuncts who teach mediation. They thought it was a private call. Telling the truth about your students in a private phone call is a firing offense because we live in low, dishonest times.
Blacks CANNOT underperform. Hell, they were Kangz.
If it looks like they do, someone set the bar to "racist".
And who can compete with that?Bystanders shall be responsibilized until Black Grades improve. Prepare for bullhorns at dawn.Replies: @Luzzatto
White Supremacy prevents a Black Tiger Mom culture from developing in the first place, but White Supremacy does not have enough power to nip Asian Tiger Mom culture in the bud. Go figure!
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
There are misdemeanors, felonies, and then there are high crimes and misdemeanors, but Crimethink transcends the ordinary legal system.
No trial is necessary, because a trial could contaminate even the judges, jurors, and lawyers by making them think the unthinkable thought.
The immediate sentence is excommunication, which means the certainty of eternal hell fire for the future, and removal from all records of the present.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
The SPLC (or ADL; who can remember, or even tell) went after Jared Taylor’s translation clients. They wanted to destroy him.
His Anglophone clients, that is. It probably would have been ignored by his Japanese clients.
No trial is necessary, because a trial could contaminate even the judges, jurors, and lawyers by making them think the unthinkable thought.
The immediate sentence is excommunication, which means the certainty of eternal hell fire for the future, and removal from all records of the present.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AShartIsBorn
And, following the Church’s example, it’s the heretic who has excommunicated herself.
In this instance someone SHOULD get fired……
Baltimore HS student fails all but 3 classes over 4 years, ranks near top half of class
https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-student-fails-classes-top-half
The first person to have a problem with it most certainly will be.
Hopefully she’s just been red pilled.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
Ugly on the inside.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
I suspect a lot of rich parent pushback against the SJW teacher crowd is because their kids are being taught on Zoom, and for once, the parents are listening in on some of the nonsense.
What the parents need to do is start getting the crazy teachers fired. Gang up on them.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Guillotine_suisse.jpghttps://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/8/white-privileged-status-embarrasses-woke-left-wing/PS. Totally getting one of those for my front yard. No law against it, near as I can determine.
This part fascinates me. I feel like I’ve seen this scenario played out before. The person doing the firing feels the need to further humiliate his victim by pointing out that they offered to resign. It’s not good enough just to let the person go. He needs to demean the victim by pointing out that her groveling wasn’t good enough.
It really does have the feel of a show trial.
“The traitor admitted his guilt before his execution,” kind of thing.
Yeah, it was probably a part-time gig in the evening at Georgetown Law (which is located in the not-so-nice area near Union Station and not in Georgetown). But if she has a full-time job at a law practice I’m sure she is now persona non grata there and frankly radioactive in the legal field by now. Hell of a thing.
Advice to people on Zoom: don’t speak extemporaneously. Write all your thoughts, cares, and concerns on a piece of paper before the Zoom call. Then shred it. On the Zoom call say as little possible and try to answer with only “yes”, “no”, “ok”, etc.
Career advice to young people: get a marketable degree, marketable skills, and chose a profession which is impervious to cancel culture or at least has minimal risk from it. Make yourself as bullet-proof as possible from cancel culture.
She owns her own firm.Replies: @Jon
More broadly, Georgetown can't just fire all its adjuncts. Law school adjuncts are not like normal adjuncts. They are experienced practitioners in their fields, and they are usually the only connection law students have to the real world. Many professors, including 90 percent of black professors, never worked in a real law job. White and Jewish professors usually have clerked at the appellate level and worked in a white-shoe corporate firm. Few tenured law professors have in-the-trenches litigation experience.
Law schools rely on contract practitioners to teach real, non-Supreme Court law, like copyrights and patents, family law, international contracts. Immigration is a good example. Everything depends on knowing how the local immigration office works and who the people are. You cannot just read Title 17; you have to know precisely how women seeking fiancee visas or spouse visas are separated from their partners and questioned. Will she be asked about what kind of alarm clock they have by their bed?
Practitioners don't need the money. They may want the gig on their resume, or they may be alumni, but if it comes to pass that their career may be endangered by working a law school job, the supply of adjuncts may dry up.Replies: @fortaleza84b
In your own words, "hell of a thing".Replies: @vhrm
You arrive and do your job perfectly something at which you are expert. No evaluations or any other c**p. And you can’t be replaced by aH1 B visa holder. It’s a lot better than being an engineer and having to go through several interviews and being H1Bed out of a job and ending up being a substitute math teacher in a ghetto high school harassed by blacks and feminazis
Best thing about the whole electrical trades is that what with solar panels electric heat electric cars and the rest is it’s a major growth industry and will be for another 50 years at least. It’s been booming for the last 50 years with refits to save the earth lol and data centers and it will keep booming.
Get an EE if you insist. But keep an eye on the IBEW apprenticeship classes coming up. When all the EE jobs are taken up by H1B visas, hope you can get into an IBEW local and make a living.
What a college tells you is a useful skill is only useful if you can find an employer who hires White men. If you’ve watched the news lately, there’s fewer and fewer employees planning to hire White men.
I believe that more computer programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available.
Another skilled job for Whites is RN and nuclear medicine technician. It’s only 4 years instead of 13. And considering the years wasted in school and residency and cost of college med school
and living in the most expensive cities in the. country for residency, lifetime earnings of RNs, nurse practitioners and some med techs like nuclear medicine are as good as MDs
And med schools only accept about 15 percent White men anyway.
What was considered a useful skill 30,40 years ago isn’t that useful today, especially if you’re a White man. And don’t believe what any college tells you is a useful employable skill.
That’s my advice. California nurses make about 125K a year. Our guys and gals working on the South Bay Facebook data center are making 20-23 thousand dollars a month. When we had a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge save the earth refit some made 260-300 hundred thousand in one year. The job lasted 19 months. Of course that was hanging upside down in 50 mile an hour wind from the towers 18 hours a day. But the money was excellent. Great thing about the data centers. The companies are trying to locate them in rural areas where land and property taxes are cheap. So you can live where housing is cheap. And supposedly the data centers need refitting every 9 or 10 years.
It’s a growing field and admission is strictly on a math engineering mechanical ability test. And once you’re in, no more HR c**P.Replies: @jon, @Anonymous, @JMcG
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of ColorReplies: @Dieter Kief, @MarkinLA, @Dr. Krieger, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Wally
Racism can be a reason for underperformance too, just not for Black racists. What is wrong though is to stress, that Blacks’d be not capable of racism because that’d be discriminating too, right. That strikes me as being important nonetheless. See? The logic is somewhere in here, even if it can’t be seen. – In the end, what matters is – faith, because it trumps reason.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
Watching the video (at least the 0:44 one on YT and in a comment above), what is even the accusation against her?
What is actually reprehensible about her statements?
There’s no malice or bias or ridicule in that video. She expressed what she’s SUPPOSED to express: concern. Ideally (from the HR / BLM perspective) she would then declare its her own fault as a white woman and decide to redouble her efforts, but angst is a correct first step.
I understand that the she’s white and said the word “blacks”, and that’s pretty much enough to get cancelled by the Twitter-mob logic. But this is the Dean of Georgetown Law. Presumably he has at least some passing expertise with with language, logic, arguments and “thinking”. THIS is what he comes up with?
This is a new low…
She brought up a hate-fact, namely, that "a lot of my lower ones are blacks . . . almost every semester." However, she didn't blame structural racism or even herself. She said "oh, come on!" probably* implying that she is holding those students responsible for their own behavior, which we know is not something you are allowed to do to a black person, let alone to a group of blacks as a collective.
*Alternatively, she could mean that she is frustrated that the Universe is validating a racist stereotype. This is also crime-think because it implies that a racist stereotype is being validated.
1. She noticed the issue of the institution's admissions policies, embarrassing them.
2. She embarrassed a group her managers fancy is of higher status than is she.
Academicians are nothing if not status conscious.
Of course, if her last name were Cohen or Goldberg she would not have been fired. A “Sellers” cannot claim victimhood status, child of Holocaust survivor etc., hence does not get the benefit of the doubt.
But honestly this is good, we need more of this. The more the left overreacts, the quicker their demise. In the meantime, we get to see the continued decline of higher ed, with the rot starting from the very top. Our elite colleges have far too much power today, it’d be good for the country to have that power greatly eroded. Let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot, admit, graduate, and hire more and more incompetent POCs to take over these institutions. The day the Ivy League becomes 100% black is the day America’s turnaround begins.
So never then?
A journalist once told me this story. He had to get a quote from a labor leader about a dispute. The labor leader usual mode of speech tended to use a lot of obscenities when he was not talking like he had gravel in his mouth. The journalist could not understand most of what was said. He wrote the quote as:”Management is trying to break our union. The union will stand united and we will be awarded the pay and benefits that we earned.” The next day, the labor leader called and said that was the first time he has been accurately quoted.
What is actually reprehensible about her statements?
There's no malice or bias or ridicule in that video. She expressed what she's SUPPOSED to express: concern. Ideally (from the HR / BLM perspective) she would then declare its her own fault as a white woman and decide to redouble her efforts, but angst is a correct first step.
I understand that the she's white and said the word "blacks", and that's pretty much enough to get cancelled by the Twitter-mob logic. But this is the Dean of Georgetown Law. Presumably he has at least some passing expertise with with language, logic, arguments and "thinking". THIS is what he comes up with?
This is a new low...Replies: @Jack D, @Elsewhere, @Art Deco
I keep coming back to this scene:
Human nature is really eternal – we haven’t advanced one iota in 2,000 years. The names of the gods may change but blasphemy is always a crime. The mob demands it and if you don’t give in to the demands of the mob then you’re next. Courage is something you mostly only read about in books. The Dean of Georgetown Law has a nice life and he wants to keep it. If it’s him or some adjunct he barely knows, he’s picking her every time.
The National African-American History Museum is way ahead of you: https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651
There is no profession that is “impervious to cancel culture”, duh.
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4BtGA27duEReplies: @GeraldB, @Ed
Lol she’s so well meaning about it too. If any one is interested you can email the dean.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/william-m-treanor/
mailto:[email protected]
I'd fire her too, only for stupidity.
Good question.Replies: @Art Deco
The reports indicate he hadn’t been subpoenaed. It’s a passably common name, so the man who just died is not necessarily the same man. The man depicted in reports was 62 years old with a weight problem.
I’m sure she is now persona non grata there and frankly radioactive in the legal field by now. Hell of a thing.
She owns her own firm.
What is actually reprehensible about her statements?
There's no malice or bias or ridicule in that video. She expressed what she's SUPPOSED to express: concern. Ideally (from the HR / BLM perspective) she would then declare its her own fault as a white woman and decide to redouble her efforts, but angst is a correct first step.
I understand that the she's white and said the word "blacks", and that's pretty much enough to get cancelled by the Twitter-mob logic. But this is the Dean of Georgetown Law. Presumably he has at least some passing expertise with with language, logic, arguments and "thinking". THIS is what he comes up with?
This is a new low...Replies: @Jack D, @Elsewhere, @Art Deco
I think I understand her speech-crime. Let me explain.
She brought up a hate-fact, namely, that “a lot of my lower ones are blacks . . . almost every semester.” However, she didn’t blame structural racism or even herself. She said “oh, come on!” probably* implying that she is holding those students responsible for their own behavior, which we know is not something you are allowed to do to a black person, let alone to a group of blacks as a collective.
*Alternatively, she could mean that she is frustrated that the Universe is validating a racist stereotype. This is also crime-think because it implies that a racist stereotype is being validated.
This appears to be Twitter thread that started it all: https://mobile.twitter.com/hahmad1996/status/1369786323293310985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1369786323293310985%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flawandcrime.com%2Fawkward%2Fgeorgetown-law-adjunct-professors-bio-disappears-from-internet-after-abhorrent-comments-about-black-students-on-zoom-call%2F
As others have mentioned, these two were adjuncts teaching a skills class (negotiations). They both have legal practices specializing in negotiations. That’s a very typical scenario. Adjunct is a low paying, low-security, temp contract position. It’s a mutually exploitive relationship. Law schools are using real lawyers on the cheap to teach the practical skills none of their tenured profs have, and the lawyers are using their ‘Georgetown prof’ status for marketing. It’s not surprising they would be fired/put on admin leave at the first whiff of controversy.
Most law classes are graded ‘blind’ – just a stack of answer books with no names – but this is negotiations, so it obviously can’t be. The bad grades of the blacks will be the proof of the racism. These people are screwed. What should, but won’t happen, is a comparison of black student performance in this class with their performance in blind-graded classes. My guess is the Negotiations grades are higher – this lady is genuinely troubled by low black performance, she is definitely putting a thumb on the scale in their favor.
Which brings me to my final point – mismatch. Georgetown is very good, but not the best. Any black students with the the LSAT to get into Georgetown went to Yale, where the White Yale profs are currently feeling the same angst about their underperformance. But being Yale profs, they are too smart to say it out loud.
Stop saying this. You make yourself look foolish.Replies: @Jack D
She owns her own firm.Replies: @Jon
But she doesn’t own her clients.
What is actually reprehensible about her statements?
There's no malice or bias or ridicule in that video. She expressed what she's SUPPOSED to express: concern. Ideally (from the HR / BLM perspective) she would then declare its her own fault as a white woman and decide to redouble her efforts, but angst is a correct first step.
I understand that the she's white and said the word "blacks", and that's pretty much enough to get cancelled by the Twitter-mob logic. But this is the Dean of Georgetown Law. Presumably he has at least some passing expertise with with language, logic, arguments and "thinking". THIS is what he comes up with?
This is a new low...Replies: @Jack D, @Elsewhere, @Art Deco
Watching the video (at least the 0:44 one on YT and in a comment above), what is even the accusation against her?
1. She noticed the issue of the institution’s admissions policies, embarrassing them.
2. She embarrassed a group her managers fancy is of higher status than is she.
Academicians are nothing if not status conscious.
Baltimore HS student fails all but 3 classes over 4 years, ranks near top half of class
https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-student-fails-classes-top-halfReplies: @Mike Tre
“In this instance someone SHOULD get fired……”
The first person to have a problem with it most certainly will be.
I want to add to what I wrote here. One of the reasons he’s emphasizing that the decision was in his hands and not hers is because he needs to be the victor in this situation. If she resigns and goes away, he looks like someone who merely processed the papers. But putting himself in the position – “my decision” – of someone who fixed the situation makes him look like the hero. He gets to add it to his SJW cred.
Panopticon meet Panopto.
They weren’t “statements”, they were comments in a private (or so she thought) conversation.
Zoom, Teams, etc really is proving to be hard on older less tech-savvy people (such as Jeffrey “Now is Good Time to Masturbate” Toobin.
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of ColorReplies: @Dieter Kief, @MarkinLA, @Dr. Krieger, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Wally
She should have explained the extra pressures Students of Colourcdeal with that white students don’t have to face.
Students of color at top law schools have to deal with the pressure created by knowing that very few of them will pass the bar exam on the first try, unlike the white students at the top law schools.
No trial is necessary, because a trial could contaminate even the judges, jurors, and lawyers by making them think the unthinkable thought.
The immediate sentence is excommunication, which means the certainty of eternal hell fire for the future, and removal from all records of the present.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @AShartIsBorn
The solution is to make lots of money and fast, park it somewhere no one can touch, and never get too attached to your career. If you get cancelled by the mob, you can still have a fun life. Hell you might even be able to start writing for Unz!
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of ColorReplies: @Dieter Kief, @MarkinLA, @Dr. Krieger, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Wally
Your bad spelling and punctuation has become an art form.
Students of Colourcdeal
Another thing-the difference
Two missing periods
Tiny Duck, you are godammed Picasso.
Steve,
Wasn’t what’s happening sort of the undercurrent of the “Bell Curve”? I didn’t read it until about 1999, quite a while after it came out.
But my basic takeaway was the policy implications it had. Particularly (but not solely) for blacks. The implications of his research were that we would have a “moment of truth” in the near future when the promises of affirmative action proved ineffective. And then what?
If society could not psychologically accept these types of conclusions, what could be done? There could be no reevaluation of mistaken premises. At the time, I feared it would be some sort of communist restructuring of society to avoid dealing with factual truth. It seems with the “Great Reset” that that is precisely what TPTB now intend.
Wow! That firing was quick. While ridiculous hate hoaxes get investigated for months until they fade away and are forgotten by all.
All this because of video chat she had with another professor. In the old days they would have had this discussion in person or via telephone.
Professor Sandra Sellers should have deleted that video after she made it with another professor. I guess she is a little bit computer challenged
Two comments on you tube>>
As I mentioned in my other comment, the thing to do would be compare grades in this class to ones that are anonymously graded to see if the black students are doing better or worse. My guess would be better - this women is clearly bothered by the black underperformance, so I am sure she mitigates as much as she can.
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I'd bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdfReplies: @hhsiii, @anon, @Polistra, @Clyde
They get paid next to nothing
Faculty members whose cash compensation is at the 10th percentile are paid about $40,000 per year, with some variation by discipline. About 30% of all faculty teach no more than 4 credits per term and 46% are coded p/t faculty.
Faculty complain a great deal.
BTW, adjuncts are hugely profitable for colleges - the tuition from one student in her class probably paid her whole salary.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/20/new-report-says-many-adjuncts-make-less-3500-course-and-25000-year#:~:text=Per%2Dcourse%20pay%20varies%20from,at%20least%20%245%2C000%20per%20course.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Art Deco
I guess the good thing about academia is that you don't actually have to work?Replies: @Art Deco
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of ColorReplies: @Dieter Kief, @MarkinLA, @Dr. Krieger, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Wally
This is not up to your usual standards, TD. Your previous lampoons of prog think often left me ROTFL. This one, not so much. I’ll hazard a guess that lock down fever is responsible. Get well soon.
This is virtually impossible. Even if you own your own business, people can be persuaded to stop buying what you’re selling.
Years ago, I briefly stepped away from the IT stuff that I had been doing and got it my head to go to grad school for economics. After a semester, I was sick of getting the suspicious stares when I didn't join along enthusiastically enough in the condemnation of whatever non-leftist thing that was being discussed. I decided to drop out and went back to IT, where nobody really cared what I thought, and I wasn't expected to have an opinion at all, let alone the correct one.
The sad thing is, I have now found that the workplaces I am in, populated by millennials and zoomers for the most part, have started to resemble the grad school atmosphere from 20 years ago. Everyone un-self-consciously talks as if the leftist opinion is the only option, I know that that if I were to ever voice anything contrary I would most lilkly be fired - and I have noticed the same suspicious looks. That's why it was such a relief to switch to working from home - I no longer have to talk to my coworkers about anything besides work...Replies: @Polistra, @ScarletNumber
Here's a thought experiment: Suppose this woman were not an adjunct professor but just an ordinary attorney and she'd publicly stated that it was unfortunate that black professional students tend to get poor grades. Would anyone have cared? Maybe if she was at a white-shoe law firm, but otherwise, probably not.
It seems to be a universal principle that the more elite you are, the more strictly you have to conform to the orthodoxy.
Faculty members whose cash compensation is at the 10th percentile are paid about $40,000 per year, with some variation by discipline. About 30% of all faculty teach no more than 4 credits per term and 46% are coded p/t faculty.
Faculty complain a great deal.Replies: @Jack D, @gent
That’s the stat for full time faculty. Adjuncts get a few thousand $ per course. Some get as little as $2,000. For a law professor in a high cost city like DC maybe she got $7,000. On an hourly basis, that’s much less than she could get in private practice. She wasn’t doing this for the $.
BTW, adjuncts are hugely profitable for colleges – the tuition from one student in her class probably paid her whole salary.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/20/new-report-says-many-adjuncts-make-less-3500-course-and-25000-year#:~:text=Per%2Dcourse%20pay%20varies%20from,at%20least%20%245%2C000%20per%20course.
No, that's the statistic for all faculty, provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
Franklin and Williamson County, where Franklin is located, are both very Republican areas which voted close to 2-to-1 for Trump in the last election. That brainwashed teacher should be fired. There are so many employment opportunities available to women today that the type of women who go into teaching are probably less intelligent, on average, than the ones who went into it 30-40 years ago. I’m in my mid-40s and none of the smart girls from my high school graduating class became school teachers – it was primary the average type students.
BTW, adjuncts are hugely profitable for colleges - the tuition from one student in her class probably paid her whole salary.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/20/new-report-says-many-adjuncts-make-less-3500-course-and-25000-year#:~:text=Per%2Dcourse%20pay%20varies%20from,at%20least%20%245%2C000%20per%20course.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Art Deco
An article about our neighboring county’s State College point out 60% of the teachers could earn a maximum of $18,900 a year.
It could she will double down on the crazy.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
Did he mention if he or his wife contacted the teacher to talk to her about this?
That would certainly be my first impulse. I suppose a second impulse might kick in which I asked myself if it’s good to let the teacher know I didn’t go for this kind of thing. She might assume I was a racist and it might affect how she treated my child.
Did she even tell the white kids what they did to be ashamed about or was just being white enough?
Don’t these woke people realize that all their commandments and restrictions could backfire and drive white people to become less compassionate and sympathetic towards people unlike them?
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
Sellers didn’t really say anything negative about black people – she expressed anxiety that she might say something negative about black people.
In Judaism, this is khumra, “building a fence around the law,” i.e., taking a precaution that you might be led into transgressing. But it wasn’t an actual transgression.
A retiree friend of mine teaches cookbook remedial chem to Filipina nurses and gets paid $90 per hour. It’s not what she was making when she worked as a flavor chemist for A Big Food Company but it’s nice mad money for an easy gig.
His Anglophone clients, that is. It probably would have been ignored by his Japanese clients.Replies: @Paperback Writer
I don’t know Taylor, and I don’t know much more about the Japanese than passing popular imagery, but for a man steeped in Japanese culture the way Taylor is, the degeneration of American culture must be a continual shock. It is for me, and I’m just a dumb Yank Boomer.
Yes, the article I read at the Daily Mail mentioned the critical point that the professors thought they were having a private conversation.
If what Prof. Sellers said was true and she thought she was just talking privately to a colleague, it is outrageous for her to be fired. I want to know if she was telling the truth. That to me is the most important thing.
If people at work can be fired for making truthful statements about others to work colleagues, where will we all be? If teachers can’t make truthful statements about their students to other teachers, where will we all be?
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Though it seems like forever ago now Amy Wax got her class taken away for saying the same thing in an interview back in 2017:And going back to 2002:This is an inherent effect of Affirmative Action. All competitive schools "brain drain" the minority students from the schools below them. e.g. an LSAT / gpa that gets a white guy into Georgetown but not into anything better would get a black guy into, say, Columbia or Harvard. So he goes to Harvard. Then, to maintain some semblance of ratios Georgetown does the same thing to , say Fordham who does the same to whoever's next tier... and so on.Replies: @jon, @notsaying
https://www.sott.net/image/s20/405209/full/boot_stamping.jpg
When I talk to my colleagues about the students, I have to use as much tact as possible and keep everything as fact based as possible.
Having said all that, Sandra Sellers' comment wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. I guarantee she thought she was saying the right thing. After all, the logical inverse of her statement would be that she doesn't feel angst about the poor performance of her black students, which to me sounds worse by 2021 rules.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
Obviously, the white sjw “teacher” is not a Christian, because if she had been, and thought it appropriate to offer up her thoughts on who it was appropriate to strive to “be right with”, she would have said God.
But that would have gotten her fired, as that would be an invocation of religious belief. But this wokeist talking point, although certainly a “religious POV”, was A-OK with her employers. Funny, that.
I would counsel your friend and his wife to report this unseemly bitch’s spiritual tampering with their child. Likely, they would not receive a sympathetic hearing, though, and as a next step they should prepare to homeschool their child, and get them away from any further exposure to this toxic bitch.
BTW, adjuncts are hugely profitable for colleges - the tuition from one student in her class probably paid her whole salary.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/20/new-report-says-many-adjuncts-make-less-3500-course-and-25000-year#:~:text=Per%2Dcourse%20pay%20varies%20from,at%20least%20%245%2C000%20per%20course.Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Art Deco
That’s the stat for full time faculty.
No, that’s the statistic for all faculty, provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Grade reparations! All blacks in her past classes should get their grades bumped up to High Honors.
I’m sure they’ll find that black grades under her have been low, proof that she is biased.
A second professor is on administrative leave because he will be investigated by the DIE office. Apparently among the things he will be re-educated on is “bystander responsibility.” He was in the same room as the fired professor, so he must have heard what she said, but he didn’t immediately lunge at her and tackle her before she inflicted more pain on her listeners.
In case you haven’t noticed the red pill is pink now. America is a slum now.
What state is that? That doesn’t seem possible.
Then again, it's the cheapest 4-year school in the state. Several of the programs are pretty good according to people who have experience in the relevant areas.
I was paid $15,600 for eight classes.Replies: @black sea, @notsaying
If people at work can be fired for making truthful statements about others to work colleagues, where will we all be? If teachers can’t make truthful statements about their students to other teachers, where will we all be?
It’s completely possible because colleges rely on adjuncts as much as possible. $18k would probably be 2 courses/semester @ $4,500 each. Adjuncts have other jobs so they don’t have to live on just this in most cases.
You, suh, you is deffinately catchin on. Yah mo!
Easy. A Gulag. Any more questions that you have that I can answer? Try Pol Pot. The killing fields. You want anymore details about your future? To be honest, that’s what America wanted. There’s actually white people who actually VOTED for this crap! And there’s actually white people who actually condone it! And there is a lot more of them than there are of us.
Two comments on you tube>>Replies: @Jon, @Jack D, @International Jew
The problem is that this is a lawyering skills class. There may or may not be an exam, and even if there is, a big part of the grade will be class participation.
As I mentioned in my other comment, the thing to do would be compare grades in this class to ones that are anonymously graded to see if the black students are doing better or worse. My guess would be better – this women is clearly bothered by the black underperformance, so I am sure she mitigates as much as she can.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
Your post is breathtaking, horrific, and accurate.
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/william-m-treanor/
mailto:[email protected]Replies: @Polistra
Frankly her delivery is Central Casting Racist.
I’d fire her too, only for stupidity.
True, but you can strive to work in a field that does not require you to state your opinions.
Years ago, I briefly stepped away from the IT stuff that I had been doing and got it my head to go to grad school for economics. After a semester, I was sick of getting the suspicious stares when I didn’t join along enthusiastically enough in the condemnation of whatever non-leftist thing that was being discussed. I decided to drop out and went back to IT, where nobody really cared what I thought, and I wasn’t expected to have an opinion at all, let alone the correct one.
The sad thing is, I have now found that the workplaces I am in, populated by millennials and zoomers for the most part, have started to resemble the grad school atmosphere from 20 years ago. Everyone un-self-consciously talks as if the leftist opinion is the only option, I know that that if I were to ever voice anything contrary I would most lilkly be fired – and I have noticed the same suspicious looks. That’s why it was such a relief to switch to working from home – I no longer have to talk to my coworkers about anything besides work…
Joke's on the older generation, because the young'uns were right. People are pandering to them, mostly because they have the numbers and the SJW's on their side. For all people talk about white privilege and male privilege, there is no privilege like having a fashionable opinion.
Two comments on you tube>>Replies: @Jon, @Jack D, @International Jew
The truth is not far from that. Because of the grammatical errors that they make and the low quality of their writing and reasoning due to the fact that the vast majority are there due to AA and are less qualified than the other students, it’s easy to tell which exams are written by black students. And that’s not even counting the ones who expressly out themselves as black because they see everything in blackety black terms – “As as oppressed black person, I believe blah, blah, blah. ” Or maybe they think that by signalling they are black the prof. will grade their exam by a different standard.
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I’d bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama’s senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdf
New at this, are we?
He got his wife to calm down (she was livid), and they wrote the teacher an email together. They read it three times before sending it. They also wrote the board of education an email. The teacher responded, but the board did not. He told the teacher he’d call a local television station if she pulled this again. No kid anywhere should be ashamed of the race he is.
If a course meets for 15 weeks, 3 hrs/week that’s 45 hrs @ $90 or $4K for a course, which is about average or slightly above for an adjunct teaching a course. Do they pay her for non-classroom time? Grading papers, curriculum prep, etc.?
Now, the Georgetown lady adjunct probably charges her clients about $600 per hour (or am I behind the times?) so $90 per is practically volunteer labor.
I think it's grimly amusing that she taught a mediation course.
What the parents need to do is start getting the crazy teachers fired. Gang up on them.Replies: @HammerJack
To which suggestion the few based parents might well respond: great plan, you go first.
What’s that you say? Safety in numbers?
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/8/white-privileged-status-embarrasses-woke-left-wing/
PS. Totally getting one of those for my front yard. No law against it, near as I can determine.
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
What?
I’d be within earshot at least.
Tennessee is a one-party consent wiretap state, so I’d record it too.
In Judaism, this is khumra, "building a fence around the law," i.e., taking a precaution that you might be led into transgressing. But it wasn't an actual transgression.Replies: @International Jew
She actually gave blacks a lot of credit by saying that “alot of” her low-performing students are black “almost every semester” — almost, not every semester.
She’s an experienced freelance mediator in intellectual property and technology cases. She’s probably O.K. It’s a technical field and reputation, trust, and competence are important.
More broadly, Georgetown can’t just fire all its adjuncts. Law school adjuncts are not like normal adjuncts. They are experienced practitioners in their fields, and they are usually the only connection law students have to the real world. Many professors, including 90 percent of black professors, never worked in a real law job. White and Jewish professors usually have clerked at the appellate level and worked in a white-shoe corporate firm. Few tenured law professors have in-the-trenches litigation experience.
Law schools rely on contract practitioners to teach real, non-Supreme Court law, like copyrights and patents, family law, international contracts. Immigration is a good example. Everything depends on knowing how the local immigration office works and who the people are. You cannot just read Title 17; you have to know precisely how women seeking fiancee visas or spouse visas are separated from their partners and questioned. Will she be asked about what kind of alarm clock they have by their bed?
Practitioners don’t need the money. They may want the gig on their resume, or they may be alumni, but if it comes to pass that their career may be endangered by working a law school job, the supply of adjuncts may dry up.
“Grading papers” – no, they don’t, and she doesn’t like that, but she still does the job. From what I gather the papers are pretty routine. It’s not like she’s trying to analyze text.
Now, the Georgetown lady adjunct probably charges her clients about $600 per hour (or am I behind the times?) so $90 per is practically volunteer labor.
I think it’s grimly amusing that she taught a mediation course.
Heh, apparently not enough.
1. They can’t fire all of us
2. White People are, and continue to be… AWESOME!!
Now, it's just a run of the mill Double-black Diamond run. We have guys getting a run at it so they can pull a double-back flip as they jump in, and they are building jumps all over the run to make it more challenging. The level these guys are skiing at is unreal.Replies: @Anonymous
So, no corporate jobs, no licensed professions (law, medicine, pharmacy, real estate), no being an entrepreneur, no teaching, no government jobs. What’s left? Seems we’re down to the informal cash economy; we have the career options of an illegal immigrant, but in our own country.
In your own words, “hell of a thing”.
YES licensed professions, YES government jobs, YES union jobs.
Doctor, lawyer, dentist, accountant, nurse, firefighter, police, plumber etc. you'll always find SOME work if you're reasonably good even if you get cancelled out of a medium / high profile job.
Basically you want to be in a place with some sort of legal protections or strong HR departments.Replies: @kaganovitch
There should be a legal presumption that any firing over “racism” is void if effected by a decision-maker who has somehow neglected to hire a schvarz to remodel his/her kitchen, perform elective surgery, do their taxes, or tutor their kids for the SAT/ACT. Kinda like in the case I’m trying now, in which a testamentary gift to a non-family caretaker would be presumed void for undue influence. This Georgetown guy would also be a good jumping-off point for that recent thread about justified violence.
What she needs to do now is to hire an influential black lawyer to represent her and get her job back.
Is Michelle Obama doing anything these days?
The jewish law school teacher at Penn hasn’t gotten the chop for saying the same thing. What gives?
If you do not ferociously attack, explicitly expose, and publicly denounce the person who said the thing you agree with but were prudent enough to keep to yourself – or maybe don’t even care about one way or another, you too will be punished! So shall it be written; so shall it be done.
One of the unwritten rights we have quietly relinquished along the way was the right to apathy, to the individual sovereignty to set aside a vast number of subjects, issues, controversies, people, nations, activities, etc. into the category “I don’t give a f***”, or more mildly, “I’m not interested”. Now everyone must care, and hold the right opinions, about EVERYTHING, regardless of their involvement, knowledge, agency or interest, or be punished.
Amy Wax has tenure.
Tenure put her beyond the reach of the Office of the Holy Inquisition. Tenure is under assault. I wonder why?Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
https://jamesfetzer.org/2016/05/fired-professor-james-tracy-sues-his-university-may-10/
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I'd bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdfReplies: @hhsiii, @anon, @Polistra, @Clyde
Wow. I never saw that before. Really bad.
Two comments on you tube>>Replies: @Jon, @Jack D, @International Jew
I imagine that after grading the exams anonymously, she must then tally up final grades — weighing the exam with other things, like class participation, quizzes and term papers — and submit it all on a form to the department. At some point, the veil of anonymity is lifted. (Maybe at the point where she notices that the nice young man to whom she gave a high grade for class participation, turned in a crappy exam.)
Class action of recorded Boomers against Zoom coming? Toobin, Sellers, Marc Schack, probably many such cases. Do we have a catchy phrase for being caught on Zoom yet?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maryland-school-employees-alleged-zoom-masturbation-didnt-break-state-law-police-say
Zoom, Teams, etc really is proving to be hard on older less tech-savvy people (such as Jeffrey "Now is Good Time to Masturbate" Toobin.Replies: @Couch scientist
Yes, and Marc Schack
Do you doubt that’s the intended takeaway, from certain class combatants pushing this fakewoke fad? Particularly while having a brave off-the-record sit-down with Bari Weiss, the better to palm off the Demoralization hot potato
I hate to pile on this nice white lady, but didn’t she show herself to be a terrible negotiator as well? She seems to have folded as fast as she was outed, couldn’t even quit before she got fired. She was in a tough place for sure, but she is the Negotiations Professor after all.
There are people who teach part-time simply because they enjoy teaching or "want to give back," as the saying goes. They really don't need the modest extra income.
All this is just a macabre version of "The Emperor's New Clothes". The spell will be broken with the widespread and repeated application of a simple 3 word phrase that rhymes with "Chuck You, Trigger!"
It looks like the brainwashed, weakened Whites of 2021 America will take a long, painful path to get there, but that's the remedy
Yes, she did observe publically that the greatest part of her black students were among the least successful of her students. She further compounded her grievous offence by editorializing that blacks in general would be better equipped to partake successfully in the society should they embrace the values of the white bourgeoisie. This didn’t sit too well with the other faculty members, condign leftists all, or many of the students at the University of Pennsylvania law school. The academic powers that be subsequently relieved her of the “privilege” of teaching general courses, and exposing their impressionable, defenseless young minds to her baleful influence. For her, as a result, more time to devote to her own research and writing, yay!
Tenure put her beyond the reach of the Office of the Holy Inquisition. Tenure is under assault. I wonder why?
You really don’t get it do you? At the root of this is genocidal hatred against our kind due to the humiliation they feel thanks to Western conquest and technological/cultural superiority over the last 500 years. It has nothing to do with common sense. They hate you and want you begging on your knees or worse. “Where would we all be?” Homeless or dead, as intended.
The only field I know of immune to cancel culture AND demands obvious physical skills is being an engineer or electrician. IBEW is ferocious about maintaining skills, training for the new skills and hiring. Once you’re in and need a job, just sign up online and the contractors hire you as your number comes up. None of the HR c**p. You don’t even have to have a firm handshake and loom some HR feminazi in the eye.
You arrive and do your job perfectly something at which you are expert. No evaluations or any other c**p. And you can’t be replaced by aH1 B visa holder. It’s a lot better than being an engineer and having to go through several interviews and being H1Bed out of a job and ending up being a substitute math teacher in a ghetto high school harassed by blacks and feminazis
Best thing about the whole electrical trades is that what with solar panels electric heat electric cars and the rest is it’s a major growth industry and will be for another 50 years at least. It’s been booming for the last 50 years with refits to save the earth lol and data centers and it will keep booming.
Get an EE if you insist. But keep an eye on the IBEW apprenticeship classes coming up. When all the EE jobs are taken up by H1B visas, hope you can get into an IBEW local and make a living.
What a college tells you is a useful skill is only useful if you can find an employer who hires White men. If you’ve watched the news lately, there’s fewer and fewer employees planning to hire White men.
I believe that more computer programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available.
Another skilled job for Whites is RN and nuclear medicine technician. It’s only 4 years instead of 13. And considering the years wasted in school and residency and cost of college med school
and living in the most expensive cities in the. country for residency, lifetime earnings of RNs, nurse practitioners and some med techs like nuclear medicine are as good as MDs
And med schools only accept about 15 percent White men anyway.
What was considered a useful skill 30,40 years ago isn’t that useful today, especially if you’re a White man. And don’t believe what any college tells you is a useful employable skill.
That’s my advice. California nurses make about 125K a year. Our guys and gals working on the South Bay Facebook data center are making 20-23 thousand dollars a month. When we had a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge save the earth refit some made 260-300 hundred thousand in one year. The job lasted 19 months. Of course that was hanging upside down in 50 mile an hour wind from the towers 18 hours a day. But the money was excellent. Great thing about the data centers. The companies are trying to locate them in rural areas where land and property taxes are cheap. So you can live where housing is cheap. And supposedly the data centers need refitting every 9 or 10 years.
It’s a growing field and admission is strictly on a math engineering mechanical ability test. And once you’re in, no more HR c**P.
Cancel culture hasn’t really hit yet, but the eye of Sauron will get there eventually.
Plus, as an IBEW member, you don’t really work for the IBEW, but for whatever contractor hires you out of the hall. Those companies are just like any other big company in America.
I’m frankly surprised that the IBEW and a few other large Unions haven’t had the same thing happen as happened to the Firefighters and the Cops. Yet.
It’s true and it’s been known for years. It’s a natural outcome of affirmative action and of demand for smart blacks exceeding supply.
Though it seems like forever ago now Amy Wax got her class taken away for saying the same thing in an interview back in 2017:
And going back to 2002:
This is an inherent effect of Affirmative Action. All competitive schools “brain drain” the minority students from the schools below them. e.g. an LSAT / gpa that gets a white guy into Georgetown but not into anything better would get a black guy into, say, Columbia or Harvard. So he goes to Harvard. Then, to maintain some semblance of ratios Georgetown does the same thing to , say Fordham who does the same to whoever’s next tier… and so on.
For those who don't know, everyone in their first year of law school takes the same core curriculum. And these classes are all exam-based and graded on a strict curve. It's a true, head-to-head competition.
Then, for your last two years, you can design your own curriculum. It's a time to explore and develop a specialty in the law, but it's also a time to strategically try to raise, or at least maintain, your class rank (e.g. take an easy grader, a small seminar, a paper-based course, a pass/fail course, etc.). Apparently, though, blacks can't be bothered with such things. But, I guess, why would they? It's not they won't still get interviews and get job offers.
Shouldn't we rethink the idea that bringing marginal students is giving them a chance vs. blighting their lives with debt?Replies: @Ed, @Art Deco
Modern webcam/phone set-ups claim yet another hapless boomer unaware that they were being filmed and recorded. It’s almost as if TPTB want this to continue so they can see who else will screw up and expose themselves (sometimes literally, like the guy who decided it was a good time for a wank).
You’re completely delusional. First of all, Georgetown is a Catholic (Jesuit) university – I can’t think of a more unlikely place for Jewish privilege. The Vatican, maybe.
2nd, to the BLM mob that was calling for her head, Jews are just white people – if anything they like them less than other white people.
For all I know, Sellers is Jewish – I have no idea and neither do you and neither did the mob – they neither know nor care. All they know is that she said the b-word and in a context that did not involve effusive praise.
There is zero Jewish angle to this story. Stop trying to make everything about the Joos. The Joos didn’t turn your milk sour or cause your cat to wander off.
Cdl. Arinze was boo'd there some years ago and there was much public caterwauling when he uttered a couple of sentences lamenting the promotion of sodomy and divorce in society at large. The annual number of ordinations in the Society of Jesus suggests that their census will eventually settle at 1/10 th of what it was in 1965 and the whole order is shot through with the lavender mafia and promoters of heresy.
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I'd bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdfReplies: @hhsiii, @anon, @Polistra, @Clyde
Michelle Obama’s thesis: I honestly could not finish reading. How nauseatingly narcissistic. It’s as if she can’t think beyond being black. It explains her 8 years in the WH very well.
My kid told me the other day about a Latina in his class. He said he and his classmates often laughed at this kid behind her back because she doesn’t seem to know anything other than her “Mexican pride”, and has no idea about what is being discussed in class most of the time. Every kid dreads being partnered up with her for anything. They went around guessing how she got into an elite school, but it wasn’t hard to guess.
Affirmative action admits stick out like sore thumbs on elite campuses. You almost feel sorry for them. IMO they are the real victims of AA.
Too many law profsters.
Too many lawyers.
Too many laws.
In your own words, "hell of a thing".Replies: @vhrm
imo,
YES licensed professions, YES government jobs, YES union jobs.
Doctor, lawyer, dentist, accountant, nurse, firefighter, police, plumber etc. you’ll always find SOME work if you’re reasonably good even if you get cancelled out of a medium / high profile job.
Basically you want to be in a place with some sort of legal protections or strong HR departments.
Unless your experience of HR depts. is radically different than mine, a strong Harridan Resources department is the very last thing you want.Replies: @vhrm
I wonder how it would pan out if a professor just announced that any student who wished to could identify as black and receive an ‘A’ for the class?
Couldn’t the professor declare that he was just ‘remedying historic racism,’ blah blah blah — then enquire what grading policy his critics would prefer?
Separa ….
Blacks on “good whites” who is really dumber?
Chinese grad students are writing theses exploring this question as we speak.
The day the Ivy League becomes 100% black is the day America’s turnaround begins.
So never then?
YES licensed professions, YES government jobs, YES union jobs.
Doctor, lawyer, dentist, accountant, nurse, firefighter, police, plumber etc. you'll always find SOME work if you're reasonably good even if you get cancelled out of a medium / high profile job.
Basically you want to be in a place with some sort of legal protections or strong HR departments.Replies: @kaganovitch
Basically you want to be in a place with some sort of legal protections or strong HR departments.
Unless your experience of HR depts. is radically different than mine, a strong Harridan Resources department is the very last thing you want.
This assuming that it's some BS taken out of context and/or irrelevant accusation about a tweet or some protest you went to etc. A thing we've seen over and over is people apologizing or even quitting right away once an accusation is made out of shock and embarrassment. (or because they get fired in a place with zero employee protections)Replies: @Abolish_public_education
2. White People are, and continue to be... AWESOME!!
https://youtu.be/tsvXYje5w0cReplies: @jon
I skied Corbet’s once (literally decades ago, at this point). It was considered the most extreme in-bounds terrain of any mountain at the time, partly because the only way in is off a cliff, and partly because it is pretty steep and narrow once you get in. Back then, everyone would slide up to the edge slowly, and ever so gently hop in. If you were good, you would stick the landing and immediately start linking turns. Mere mortals would have to stop and reset themselves before starting down the run. Plenty of people wiped out and didn’t stop until they were half way down the run.
Now, it’s just a run of the mill Double-black Diamond run. We have guys getting a run at it so they can pull a double-back flip as they jump in, and they are building jumps all over the run to make it more challenging. The level these guys are skiing at is unreal.
If it's bumped out or later in the season and a bit slushy...well that's a league or three above my head.
But you're correct - these guys are crazy good.
That’s the one. Yes, tenure makes a difference. Sometimes. It didn’t help James Tracey, of course. What gives?
https://jamesfetzer.org/2016/05/fired-professor-james-tracy-sues-his-university-may-10/
She could see what was in store for her if she tried to stick it out, and why would she do that anyway? Teaching seems not to have been her primary source of income, and she may have thought it pointless to fight for a job that was at least in part a community-service activity.
There are people who teach part-time simply because they enjoy teaching or “want to give back,” as the saying goes. They really don’t need the modest extra income.
You arrive and do your job perfectly something at which you are expert. No evaluations or any other c**p. And you can’t be replaced by aH1 B visa holder. It’s a lot better than being an engineer and having to go through several interviews and being H1Bed out of a job and ending up being a substitute math teacher in a ghetto high school harassed by blacks and feminazis
Best thing about the whole electrical trades is that what with solar panels electric heat electric cars and the rest is it’s a major growth industry and will be for another 50 years at least. It’s been booming for the last 50 years with refits to save the earth lol and data centers and it will keep booming.
Get an EE if you insist. But keep an eye on the IBEW apprenticeship classes coming up. When all the EE jobs are taken up by H1B visas, hope you can get into an IBEW local and make a living.
What a college tells you is a useful skill is only useful if you can find an employer who hires White men. If you’ve watched the news lately, there’s fewer and fewer employees planning to hire White men.
I believe that more computer programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available.
Another skilled job for Whites is RN and nuclear medicine technician. It’s only 4 years instead of 13. And considering the years wasted in school and residency and cost of college med school
and living in the most expensive cities in the. country for residency, lifetime earnings of RNs, nurse practitioners and some med techs like nuclear medicine are as good as MDs
And med schools only accept about 15 percent White men anyway.
What was considered a useful skill 30,40 years ago isn’t that useful today, especially if you’re a White man. And don’t believe what any college tells you is a useful employable skill.
That’s my advice. California nurses make about 125K a year. Our guys and gals working on the South Bay Facebook data center are making 20-23 thousand dollars a month. When we had a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge save the earth refit some made 260-300 hundred thousand in one year. The job lasted 19 months. Of course that was hanging upside down in 50 mile an hour wind from the towers 18 hours a day. But the money was excellent. Great thing about the data centers. The companies are trying to locate them in rural areas where land and property taxes are cheap. So you can live where housing is cheap. And supposedly the data centers need refitting every 9 or 10 years.
It’s a growing field and admission is strictly on a math engineering mechanical ability test. And once you’re in, no more HR c**P.Replies: @jon, @Anonymous, @JMcG
Have a good friend who has his own electrical contractor biz. Can confirm that this is all good advice.
Though it seems like forever ago now Amy Wax got her class taken away for saying the same thing in an interview back in 2017:And going back to 2002:This is an inherent effect of Affirmative Action. All competitive schools "brain drain" the minority students from the schools below them. e.g. an LSAT / gpa that gets a white guy into Georgetown but not into anything better would get a black guy into, say, Columbia or Harvard. So he goes to Harvard. Then, to maintain some semblance of ratios Georgetown does the same thing to , say Fordham who does the same to whoever's next tier... and so on.Replies: @jon, @notsaying
So blacks are bad academics, AND even worse at strategy, lol.
For those who don’t know, everyone in their first year of law school takes the same core curriculum. And these classes are all exam-based and graded on a strict curve. It’s a true, head-to-head competition.
Then, for your last two years, you can design your own curriculum. It’s a time to explore and develop a specialty in the law, but it’s also a time to strategically try to raise, or at least maintain, your class rank (e.g. take an easy grader, a small seminar, a paper-based course, a pass/fail course, etc.). Apparently, though, blacks can’t be bothered with such things. But, I guess, why would they? It’s not they won’t still get interviews and get job offers.
You arrive and do your job perfectly something at which you are expert. No evaluations or any other c**p. And you can’t be replaced by aH1 B visa holder. It’s a lot better than being an engineer and having to go through several interviews and being H1Bed out of a job and ending up being a substitute math teacher in a ghetto high school harassed by blacks and feminazis
Best thing about the whole electrical trades is that what with solar panels electric heat electric cars and the rest is it’s a major growth industry and will be for another 50 years at least. It’s been booming for the last 50 years with refits to save the earth lol and data centers and it will keep booming.
Get an EE if you insist. But keep an eye on the IBEW apprenticeship classes coming up. When all the EE jobs are taken up by H1B visas, hope you can get into an IBEW local and make a living.
What a college tells you is a useful skill is only useful if you can find an employer who hires White men. If you’ve watched the news lately, there’s fewer and fewer employees planning to hire White men.
I believe that more computer programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available.
Another skilled job for Whites is RN and nuclear medicine technician. It’s only 4 years instead of 13. And considering the years wasted in school and residency and cost of college med school
and living in the most expensive cities in the. country for residency, lifetime earnings of RNs, nurse practitioners and some med techs like nuclear medicine are as good as MDs
And med schools only accept about 15 percent White men anyway.
What was considered a useful skill 30,40 years ago isn’t that useful today, especially if you’re a White man. And don’t believe what any college tells you is a useful employable skill.
That’s my advice. California nurses make about 125K a year. Our guys and gals working on the South Bay Facebook data center are making 20-23 thousand dollars a month. When we had a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge save the earth refit some made 260-300 hundred thousand in one year. The job lasted 19 months. Of course that was hanging upside down in 50 mile an hour wind from the towers 18 hours a day. But the money was excellent. Great thing about the data centers. The companies are trying to locate them in rural areas where land and property taxes are cheap. So you can live where housing is cheap. And supposedly the data centers need refitting every 9 or 10 years.
It’s a growing field and admission is strictly on a math engineering mechanical ability test. And once you’re in, no more HR c**P.Replies: @jon, @Anonymous, @JMcG
Good suggestions. Instead of all the naysayers saying there’s no way limit your risk from cancel culture, you came up with real possibilities. Thanks.
Those who can, do….
All this is just a macabre version of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”. The spell will be broken with the widespread and repeated application of a simple 3 word phrase that rhymes with “Chuck You, Trigger!”
It looks like the brainwashed, weakened Whites of 2021 America will take a long, painful path to get there, but that’s the remedy
Years ago, I briefly stepped away from the IT stuff that I had been doing and got it my head to go to grad school for economics. After a semester, I was sick of getting the suspicious stares when I didn't join along enthusiastically enough in the condemnation of whatever non-leftist thing that was being discussed. I decided to drop out and went back to IT, where nobody really cared what I thought, and I wasn't expected to have an opinion at all, let alone the correct one.
The sad thing is, I have now found that the workplaces I am in, populated by millennials and zoomers for the most part, have started to resemble the grad school atmosphere from 20 years ago. Everyone un-self-consciously talks as if the leftist opinion is the only option, I know that that if I were to ever voice anything contrary I would most lilkly be fired - and I have noticed the same suspicious looks. That's why it was such a relief to switch to working from home - I no longer have to talk to my coworkers about anything besides work...Replies: @Polistra, @ScarletNumber
It’s like that pretty much everywhere I go now. It happened over the past 20 years, but in particular the last ten.
As a German, I mostly wondered about her use of “angst”. Of course, I know that Americans speak about “German angst” in German contexts. But this here shows that the usage has got independent from those German contexts – meaning, if I am right: “I am very fearful (like a German)”.
(No, I am not sensitive about it, more amused.)
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I'd bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdfReplies: @hhsiii, @anon, @Polistra, @Clyde
At this point they can be pretty confident that this will be the result. Because it also acts as a protective maneuver: if the prof dares to criticize or critique, the prof runs a real risk of cancellation, or worse.
And she’s a celebrity, to the extent a law professor can be.
Unless your experience of HR depts. is radically different than mine, a strong Harridan Resources department is the very last thing you want.Replies: @vhrm
Well, i’d say historically you were right, but i think going forward you’d want a place where there’s heavy process (like colleges, hospitals, police departments… ) and then you use the process to the hilt to fight. Admit nothing. Apologize for nothing. Get a lawyer, file every HR process appeal, etc. 9 times out of 10 it’ll probably blow over whatever it is and the news/twitter cycle moves on. But if there’s no process… then you just get fired in the heat of the moment.
This assuming that it’s some BS taken out of context and/or irrelevant accusation about a tweet or some protest you went to etc. A thing we’ve seen over and over is people apologizing or even quitting right away once an accusation is made out of shock and embarrassment. (or because they get fired in a place with zero employee protections)
“Legal process” is yet another strong reason why public sector employment needs to be kept as close to zero as possible. Taxpayers get clobbered twice.First, by existence of the (unnecessary, economically destructive) incompetent worker. Second, since the government can’t punish (fire) someone without a “fair trial”. the series of costly, lawyer-enriching, administrative hearings (i.e. executive branch trials) necessary to resolve the situation.
There is no profession that is “impervious to cancel culture”
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.
Have you ever known anyone who actually owned a gun store?
Can you guess how many there are in San Francisco proper?
There's more than one way to cancel a business.
You’re completely delusional. First of all, Georgetown is a Catholic (Jesuit) university – I can’t think of a more unlikely place for Jewish privilege. The Vatican, maybe.
Cdl. Arinze was boo’d there some years ago and there was much public caterwauling when he uttered a couple of sentences lamenting the promotion of sodomy and divorce in society at large. The annual number of ordinations in the Society of Jesus suggests that their census will eventually settle at 1/10 th of what it was in 1965 and the whole order is shot through with the lavender mafia and promoters of heresy.
The reporter was being conned or conning you.
Without analysis there is paralysis
Another thing-the difference in performance is due to overt racism on her part and not the Students of ColorReplies: @Dieter Kief, @MarkinLA, @Dr. Krieger, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Wally
Blimey!
It must be hell getting free everything along with much lower admission standards “that white students don’t have to face.”
We are there.
They used to put out a report with LSAT scores broken down by race but from they don’t seem to publish it anymore.
Here’s the 2013-2014 report in the Wayback Machine.f
https://web.archive.org/web/20180402202812/http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/research-(lsac-resources)/tr-14-02.pdf
For the most recent year,
Black: Mean = 141.76 SD=8.97 N=9,273
White: Mean=152.75 SD=9.39 N=42,064
The racial gap on the LSAT is slightly larger than on most other tests. There’s also a gender gap of around 2.5 points (in favor of men).
US News has Georgetown ranked #14 with a median LSAT of 167. The 25-75 percentile range is 163-168. Note that the median is skewed toward the upper end of that range.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings
https://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/view/44
The top 14 schools have an enrollment of a bit over 13,500. So I would expect them to accept around 4,500 students per year. The target for black students should be something like 585 per year (assuming they want to hit 13% population weight).
To fill the ~585 black slots at these 14 schools, you’d need to consider scores as low as 156. This is obviously well below the 167 median at Georgetown, to say nothing of the 170-175 range at Harvard.
My best guess is that the majority of these blacks at the top 14 law schools (the top 550-600 or so for a given year) would have scores in the mid to upper 150s. Some fraction of this pool (around a quarter) would have scores of 160+.
Students of color at top law schools have to deal with the pressure created by knowing that very few of them will pass the bar exam on the first try, unlike the white students at the top law schools.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
Stereotype threat! Stereotype threat! See the (systemic racist) violence inherent in the system! See the (systemic racist) violence inherent in the system!
Though it seems like forever ago now Amy Wax got her class taken away for saying the same thing in an interview back in 2017:And going back to 2002:This is an inherent effect of Affirmative Action. All competitive schools "brain drain" the minority students from the schools below them. e.g. an LSAT / gpa that gets a white guy into Georgetown but not into anything better would get a black guy into, say, Columbia or Harvard. So he goes to Harvard. Then, to maintain some semblance of ratios Georgetown does the same thing to , say Fordham who does the same to whoever's next tier... and so on.Replies: @jon, @notsaying
Given the dismal statistics from the 2005 NYT article, I have to wonder how many blacks who start out at law school end up passing the bar? How many took out hundreds of thousands in loans and never passed the bar?
Shouldn’t we rethink the idea that bringing marginal students is giving them a chance vs. blighting their lives with debt?
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020/07/opinion-reassessing-value-of-bar-exam-is-long-overdue.htmlReplies: @Jack D, @notsaying
That’s not necessarily true. For example, if you are a plumber or a landscaper with hundreds of customers, it would be difficult to track down and contact all your customers. At least for now, nobody is going to bother doing that over some casual racist-adjacent remark. Almost all targets of cancel culture are either (1) people who are already famous; or (2) people associated with Cathedral institutions such as universities, newspapers, etc.
Here’s a thought experiment: Suppose this woman were not an adjunct professor but just an ordinary attorney and she’d publicly stated that it was unfortunate that black professional students tend to get poor grades. Would anyone have cared? Maybe if she was at a white-shoe law firm, but otherwise, probably not.
It seems to be a universal principle that the more elite you are, the more strictly you have to conform to the orthodoxy.
More broadly, Georgetown can't just fire all its adjuncts. Law school adjuncts are not like normal adjuncts. They are experienced practitioners in their fields, and they are usually the only connection law students have to the real world. Many professors, including 90 percent of black professors, never worked in a real law job. White and Jewish professors usually have clerked at the appellate level and worked in a white-shoe corporate firm. Few tenured law professors have in-the-trenches litigation experience.
Law schools rely on contract practitioners to teach real, non-Supreme Court law, like copyrights and patents, family law, international contracts. Immigration is a good example. Everything depends on knowing how the local immigration office works and who the people are. You cannot just read Title 17; you have to know precisely how women seeking fiancee visas or spouse visas are separated from their partners and questioned. Will she be asked about what kind of alarm clock they have by their bed?
Practitioners don't need the money. They may want the gig on their resume, or they may be alumni, but if it comes to pass that their career may be endangered by working a law school job, the supply of adjuncts may dry up.Replies: @fortaleza84b
In theory this is true but as a practical matter most attorneys are not going to worry about it too much. Because it’s still not that hard to stay out of trouble. If you are teaching a class on real estate transactions and the subject of race comes up, you just say that it’s a hot-button issue so you prefer not to discuss it.
I'm sure they'll find that black grades under her have been low, proof that she is biased.A second professor is on administrative leave because he will be investigated by the DIE office. Apparently among the things he will be re-educated on is "bystander responsibility." He was in the same room as the fired professor, so he must have heard what she said, but he didn't immediately lunge at her and tackle her before she inflicted more pain on her listeners.Replies: @Anonymous
Wow! She even went to the trouble of capitalising ‘Black’ during her chat and still got fired.
Tenure put her beyond the reach of the Office of the Holy Inquisition. Tenure is under assault. I wonder why?Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
Penn, in general, is a very good law school (most rankings have it in the top ten; every legitimate ranking has it in the top fourteen or fifteen), but Amy Wax’s erudition, combined with her ability to cut to the heart of an issue, puts virtually all high-powered law professors in the dust.
Steve has probably mentioned this biographical tidbit before, but Wax attended and graduated from Harvard Medical School, then started Harvard Law School before going to New York for a residency in neurology at New York Hospital and finishing law school at Columbia. After law school, she clerked on the D.C. Circuit, and then spent nearly six years in the Office of the Solicitor General, representing the federal government before the Supreme Court.
In other words, she has the kind of uber-elite resume that leads you to expect her to hold the “correct” opinions. That she refuses to do so, and can’t easily be defamed as a know-nothing rube from the sticks, makes her very dangerous. Penn Law’s dean looked foolish arguing with her a few years ago, since he refused to make public any grade records that would have disproved her allegations of poor black student performance. I only wish there were a hundred like her in the top law schools.
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @anon
Yes, and it is slightly alarming that it is the implied threat of violence only that stops this sort of nonsense. If you cannot reason with the Woke mob, naked force is all that remains.
I have absolutely no angst about the poor performance of black students, none, nil; so this makes me a goodthinker? Who knew?
And what gives with the White guy, he didn’t interrupt or mansplain to the womxn and that is what we are supposed to do, right?
Ohio. It’s part-time work, but that’s the most the university will let one adjunct teach.
Then again, it’s the cheapest 4-year school in the state. Several of the programs are pretty good according to people who have experience in the relevant areas.
Well, it didn’t get to be the cheapest State University by paying its staff a lot. A lot of adjuncts and work-study graduate students do a lot of teaching.
Faculty members whose cash compensation is at the 10th percentile are paid about $40,000 per year, with some variation by discipline. About 30% of all faculty teach no more than 4 credits per term and 46% are coded p/t faculty.
Faculty complain a great deal.Replies: @Jack D, @gent
>tfw an entry level biotech job pays better than the people who teach you to get those jobs
I guess the good thing about academia is that you don’t actually have to work?
Again, 46% teach p/t schedules. Benefits in higher education are commonly handsome (for faculty and staff alike). The median teaching schedule is 6 credit-hours per term. A conscientious professor teaching 6 credit-hours will put shy of 50 hours a week into his preparations, lectures, office hours, and grading, though he'll put in less if he's teaching multiple sections of a given course and only has to do one preparation for multiple lectures. The academic year runs to about 30 weeks a year.
Time to resurrect the term Heresimach, as in Woke Heresimach.
https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/86192
heresimach, n.
Pronunciation: hɪˈriːsɪmak/
Frequency (in current use): rare.
Etymology: < Greek αἵρεσις heresy n. + -μαχος fighting: compare Greek αἱρεσιομάχος.
One who fights against heresy.
1824 C. Thirlwall 29 Nov. in Lett. (1881) I. 81 More of the spirit of charity than commonly breathed through the disputations of the old Hæresimach [Tertullian].
As a teacher, I can only make truthful statements about to my students to people I don’t work with, and only then without using their names.
When I talk to my colleagues about the students, I have to use as much tact as possible and keep everything as fact based as possible.
Having said all that, Sandra Sellers’ comment wouldn’t even have raised an eyebrow. I guarantee she thought she was saying the right thing. After all, the logical inverse of her statement would be that she doesn’t feel angst about the poor performance of her black students, which to me sounds worse by 2021 rules.
Years ago, I briefly stepped away from the IT stuff that I had been doing and got it my head to go to grad school for economics. After a semester, I was sick of getting the suspicious stares when I didn't join along enthusiastically enough in the condemnation of whatever non-leftist thing that was being discussed. I decided to drop out and went back to IT, where nobody really cared what I thought, and I wasn't expected to have an opinion at all, let alone the correct one.
The sad thing is, I have now found that the workplaces I am in, populated by millennials and zoomers for the most part, have started to resemble the grad school atmosphere from 20 years ago. Everyone un-self-consciously talks as if the leftist opinion is the only option, I know that that if I were to ever voice anything contrary I would most lilkly be fired - and I have noticed the same suspicious looks. That's why it was such a relief to switch to working from home - I no longer have to talk to my coworkers about anything besides work...Replies: @Polistra, @ScarletNumber
The ultimate irony in all this is that when these people were in school, their parents, older relatives, and other advisors would tell them that in the real world they would be judge on their production and that their bosses wouldn’t pander to them or care about their feelings.
Joke’s on the older generation, because the young’uns were right. People are pandering to them, mostly because they have the numbers and the SJW’s on their side. For all people talk about white privilege and male privilege, there is no privilege like having a fashionable opinion.
Shouldn't we rethink the idea that bringing marginal students is giving them a chance vs. blighting their lives with debt?Replies: @Ed, @Art Deco
It varies by state but around half of blacks fail the bar on the first attempt. In California only 5% of blacks passed the bar recently. There’s a movement to get rid of it. That was one of the responses of the legal community to the George Floyd panic last year.
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020/07/opinion-reassessing-value-of-bar-exam-is-long-overdue.html
However, it will not serve the cause of equity if these Black doctors are lured away by better paying hospitals in white communities, so I propose that these newly minted Black doctors be required to pay it forward by working only in hospitals that cater primarily to people of color.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Ed
I wonder if the person who wrote this article would like to get rid of MD exams too? Would they like to have a doctor who couldn't pass their exams?
Something tells me the answer is no.
I was the victim of that sort of thing many years ago, but it wasn't a career job I was kicked out of, and it only involved having to sleep on the floor of my brother's and his friend's apartment for the rest of the summer. (There was no way I was going to go home and never hear the end of it from my Dad.)Replies: @The Alarmist
You think a law professor would have chosen her words carefully: It would have played better as, “It causes me angst the way that Georgetown as an institution evaluates the efforts of its minority students.”
Hells-bells, they might have made her Dean, if not the University Chancellor.
It only took 5 years for American Law to be compromised after South African Law went haywire. See this 2016 article about a judge complaining about black girls being raped https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36246081
A father of a ten year old boy told me earlier today that his pretty white teacher told the white students in his class (via Zoom, remotely due to covid) that they should all be ashamed and go beg someone black for forgiveness.
This man, whom Ive known for a year or so, is a very decent law-abiding Christian family man. He is as honest as a clock. His son has a few white and black friends. The boy loves video games and "wears his heart on his sleeve". He is a "I love all people" kinda kid. The kid was crying. His mother was furious. This teacher is from Franklin, a wealthy suburb of Nashville. The parents aren't supposed to be in the room when the Zoom classes are going on. I think I see why. Its going to get worse.Replies: @Pericles, @Anon, @Anonymous, @notsaying, @JerseyJeffersonian, @Anon, @Angharad
Is the father just going to TAKE IT? Is this “Christian” going to allow his own flesh and blood tp be insulted and demonized? The mother sounds more like an actual MAN. What are they DOING to organize AGAINST this?
Why on Earth are Whites wasting one shred of time and attention and resources on malicious, destructive worthless Orc parasites IN THE FIRST PLACE? Whites becoming “less compassionate” would be the greatest blessing EVER.
Blacks often complain about the lack of Blacks success at our universities. They claim this is evidence of “systemic racism”. This is another example of Whites being cancelled for stating facts Black are allowed to claim.
As a black student, I know why our grades are worse: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/may/02/as-a-black-student-i-know-why-our-grades-are-worse-universities-dont-listen-to-us
In School Together, but Blacks Not Learning at the Same Rate
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/nyregion/study-black-white-achievement-gap-schools.html
There are hundreds of articles over discussing the very problem Professor Sellers mentioned. She had angst, deep anxiety and dread over the failure of Blacks to reach the top of her class. She sounds like a BLM activist or a writer for a leftist periodical. They have several of these article every year, wondering why Blacks fail to succeed in our schools and colleges. Why are some people allowed to discuss the lag in Black college graduation rates, the lag in Blacks test scores and the porr performance of Blacks at our colleges while other people are cancelled for having angst over these well known facts ?
The fact she came up with it shows her lack of pattern recognition that conforms with reality, and yet paragraph after paragraph, she carries on as if her reasoning is winning the day.
Ironically, owing to her unyielding narcissism, a common problem in black culture, she’s giving a pyrotechnical exhibition of why, in general, black folks might not have the proclivity to excel as movers and shakers in the legal field.
And the sad part is, she doesn’t even know it.
Prof. Sellers has been unpersoned on the Georgetown Law website but her bio is still in the Google cache. It sounds like she was an adjunct professor teaching a course on mediation, which is what she does (or did) for a living. I don't expect that being known as a Nazi Wacist is going to be good for business.
I'll repeat my earlier comment - for someone who is a law professor, she sure is ignorant of the law. It's an unwritten law of 21st century America that no one is allowed to publicly say anything negative about Black people.
This law is much better enforced than many actual written statutes such as the ones against undocumented shopping or even against killing people. If someone had murdered Prof. Sellers over her remark and even if they were in a state with a death penalty, they would still be alive and having their case wind its way thru the courts 15 or 20 years from now. But from the point where Prof. Seller's crime became publicly known to the time that she was judged and the sentence against her carried out (death - to her career as a law professor) was a matter of hours. Our "justice" system is only slow when it wants to be slow.Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @vhrm, @Paperback Writer, @Polistra, @Seneca44
I wonder if there is any record of a conversation between professors of criminal law about anything they might notice about racial crime statistics…
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @anon
The time is coming soon when all gun stores will be canceled. Police departments will buy in bulk and issue the guns the way the Army does.
Every Sellers I’ve ever known or heard of (n = 1, and you can guess who that is) had a Jewish mother even if he got his surname from a gentile father.
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020/07/opinion-reassessing-value-of-bar-exam-is-long-overdue.htmlReplies: @Jack D, @notsaying
They also need to get rid of medical board exams. Black communities are underserved with physicians of color. We are never going to correct this unless we get rid of these unjust and ineffective tests which only reflect systemic racism.
However, it will not serve the cause of equity if these Black doctors are lured away by better paying hospitals in white communities, so I propose that these newly minted Black doctors be required to pay it forward by working only in hospitals that cater primarily to people of color.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/views/2020/06/08/mcat-should-be-optional-opinion
She and her supporters should consider making this correction, say something like.
I had a bad day that day under pressure from being around too many lying would be lawyers and lying law administrators, I said something that I’m taking back….
I said “That I felt bad that too many of my Black students were doing poorly in my classes. That was wrong. I now say that I’m
REALLY HAPPY THAT THESE BLACK AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDENTS ARE DOING VERY BADLY IN THESE LAW SCHOOL CLASSES.
OK, ARE YOU SATISFIED NOW. I RETRACTED MY ORIGINAL OFFENDING STATEMENT.
ANYBODY THAT IS STILL UPSET SHOULD CONSIDER GETTING A REAL JOB OR VOLUNTEERING FOR MILITARY SERVICE TO CLEAR MINE FIELDS IN IRAQ
J Ryan
Left Behind in Chicago
However, it will not serve the cause of equity if these Black doctors are lured away by better paying hospitals in white communities, so I propose that these newly minted Black doctors be required to pay it forward by working only in hospitals that cater primarily to people of color.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Ed
Translation: Keep Dr. D’Shawn-Tavious out of New York-Presbyterian and Mount Sinai, and send him to Harlem Hospital and Brookdale (on the Brownsville/East Flatbush border in Brooklyn; well-known as East New York’s shootings and stabbings hospital of choice) instead.
https://www.law.com/2020/12/08/ahead-of-the-curve-teaching-leadership-in-law-school/
Physiognomy don’t lie part bazillion.
OTOH, as is customary for such photos, that picture was probably taken 10 years and 20 pounds ago and she is even more on the wrong side of the Wall now.Replies: @Desiderius
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @anon
Owning a gun store comes pretty close.
Have you ever known anyone who actually owned a gun store?
Can you guess how many there are in San Francisco proper?
There’s more than one way to cancel a business.
You’d do well to get out more, Art.
Then again cost of living wise that’s about halfway to a decent living.
When a university reports its average faculty salary I doubt that they are including the raw data for part time adjuncts who make $6,000/yr teaching 2 courses in their overall average. They must convert these #'s to full time equivalents or something like that.Replies: @Art Deco
As others have mentioned, these two were adjuncts teaching a skills class (negotiations). They both have legal practices specializing in negotiations. That's a very typical scenario. Adjunct is a low paying, low-security, temp contract position. It's a mutually exploitive relationship. Law schools are using real lawyers on the cheap to teach the practical skills none of their tenured profs have, and the lawyers are using their 'Georgetown prof' status for marketing. It's not surprising they would be fired/put on admin leave at the first whiff of controversy.
Most law classes are graded 'blind' - just a stack of answer books with no names - but this is negotiations, so it obviously can't be. The bad grades of the blacks will be the proof of the racism. These people are screwed. What should, but won't happen, is a comparison of black student performance in this class with their performance in blind-graded classes. My guess is the Negotiations grades are higher - this lady is genuinely troubled by low black performance, she is definitely putting a thumb on the scale in their favor.
Which brings me to my final point - mismatch. Georgetown is very good, but not the best. Any black students with the the LSAT to get into Georgetown went to Yale, where the White Yale profs are currently feeling the same angst about their underperformance. But being Yale profs, they are too smart to say it out loud.Replies: @Desiderius
Georgetown is not very good.
Stop saying this. You make yourself look foolish.
Objectively (to the extent the rankings are objective) Georgetown is ranked #14 by US News.
Roughly speaking, in law schools you have the tippy top A+ group = Yale, Stanford and Harvard and then you have a slightly larger A group - the 3 above plus Columbia, Chicago, Penn and NYU. Then you have your 2nd tier A- schools which are still quite good - U Va, Northwestern, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, Cornell and Georgetown. Any one of these places attracts academically skilled students (at least the white and Asian ones) and faculty and provides talent to top law firms nationwide.
I would say that Georgetown is very good as law schools go. If you think that all law schools should go to hell, that's another issue.Replies: @Desiderius
What she said is either true, somewhat true, or untrue. If it’s true shouldn’t the people responsible for running the school, specifically Dean Treanor, be fired for running a program that produces such bad results among black students? Him firing her is simply him sacrificing a low player to cover up his own mal or misfeasance. How could those at the top let this situation go on year after year? This is what systemic racism looks like.
Those of you with Twitter and Facebook accounts need to bring this important matter up on threads relating to this incident.
Physiognomy don't lie part bazillion.Replies: @Jack D
TBH, her physiognomy is not all that bad. A lot of it is hair, makeup, pose, facial expression and clothing. If she let her hair grow out and dressed better, she could go from a 2 to a solid 3.
OTOH, as is customary for such photos, that picture was probably taken 10 years and 20 pounds ago and she is even more on the wrong side of the Wall now.
As with the late Ming they’re bringing in the actual eunuchs in a desperate attempt to clean up the mess made by the figurative ones like the Dean, and they’re making it far worse than anyone could imagine.Replies: @anon
Stop saying this. You make yourself look foolish.Replies: @Jack D
I really don’t know what you mean by this. Georgetown is not good because they propagate Leftism? They’re not very good because the entire legal profession is a sham? They’re not very good compared to higher ranked law schools? What are you getting at?
Objectively (to the extent the rankings are objective) Georgetown is ranked #14 by US News.
Roughly speaking, in law schools you have the tippy top A+ group = Yale, Stanford and Harvard and then you have a slightly larger A group – the 3 above plus Columbia, Chicago, Penn and NYU. Then you have your 2nd tier A- schools which are still quite good – U Va, Northwestern, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, Cornell and Georgetown. Any one of these places attracts academically skilled students (at least the white and Asian ones) and faculty and provides talent to top law firms nationwide.
I would say that Georgetown is very good as law schools go. If you think that all law schools should go to hell, that’s another issue.
Let us know when you’re ready to join the 21st Century. 100% of this nonsense is coming from our erstwhile right. The left is just trying, and failing miserably, to take advantage.
I mean they’re objectively evil (not good) and unbelievably bathetic (also not good for lawyers or leaders but unfortunately I repeat myself). You’ve forsaken your God, your honor, your principles, your people, your history, and what remains of your country for US fucking News! How can anyone even take you seriously?
AD tends to look something up in an almanac and assume that’s the last word. I don’t know how the BLS compiles its stats but in the real world modern universities get a lot of their teaching done by adjuncts. Not only is this very cheap and profitable for them compared to paying full time faculty but the adjuncts can bring specialized skills and real world experience that the faculty doesn’t have. The full time faculty loves it because many of them prefer to work on their research and hate teaching.
When a university reports its average faculty salary I doubt that they are including the raw data for part time adjuncts who make $6,000/yr teaching 2 courses in their overall average. They must convert these #’s to full time equivalents or something like that.
AD is numerate. Jack D is a lawyer and thus not numerate.
About 54% of post-secondary teachers have f/t positions and they account for about 70% of the teaching manpower. It's not 'profitable' for institutions. The utility of these characters is that their salaries are actually variable costs and they tend to create less trouble for others than do tenured faculty. Tenured faculty can be remarkably clueless when they begin rattling on about their salaries and working conditions.
Objectively (to the extent the rankings are objective) Georgetown is ranked #14 by US News.
Roughly speaking, in law schools you have the tippy top A+ group = Yale, Stanford and Harvard and then you have a slightly larger A group - the 3 above plus Columbia, Chicago, Penn and NYU. Then you have your 2nd tier A- schools which are still quite good - U Va, Northwestern, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, Cornell and Georgetown. Any one of these places attracts academically skilled students (at least the white and Asian ones) and faculty and provides talent to top law firms nationwide.
I would say that Georgetown is very good as law schools go. If you think that all law schools should go to hell, that's another issue.Replies: @Desiderius
Leftism?
Let us know when you’re ready to join the 21st Century. 100% of this nonsense is coming from our erstwhile right. The left is just trying, and failing miserably, to take advantage.
I mean they’re objectively evil (not good) and unbelievably bathetic (also not good for lawyers or leaders but unfortunately I repeat myself). You’ve forsaken your God, your honor, your principles, your people, your history, and what remains of your country for US fucking News! How can anyone even take you seriously?
OTOH, as is customary for such photos, that picture was probably taken 10 years and 20 pounds ago and she is even more on the wrong side of the Wall now.Replies: @Desiderius
I’m taking about the Dean, Einstein. You can search him up yourself.
As with the late Ming they’re bringing in the actual eunuchs in a desperate attempt to clean up the mess made by the figurative ones like the Dean, and they’re making it far worse than anyone could imagine.
This guy?
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/wtreanor-200x300.pngReplies: @Desiderius
As with the late Ming they’re bringing in the actual eunuchs in a desperate attempt to clean up the mess made by the figurative ones like the Dean, and they’re making it far worse than anyone could imagine.Replies: @anon
I’m taking about the Dean, Einstein. You can search him up yourself.
This guy?
Shouldn't we rethink the idea that bringing marginal students is giving them a chance vs. blighting their lives with debt?Replies: @Ed, @Art Deco
I have to wonder how many blacks who start out at law school end up passing the bar? How many took out hundreds of thousands in loans and never passed the bar?
There’s a single-digit segment of those who sit for the exam (which doesn’t include law degree recipients who never register for it) who require more than two attempts, and you can identify a segment (around 5%) who simply cannot pass it; by some accounts, the share of blacks who cannot pass it is around 15%. The thing is, there is severe overproduction of law degrees in this country and the number of degrees awarded exceeds the number who can make a living at law by about half-again. There are supposedly north of 1 million people who are active or inactive members of the bar, but only about 700,000 working lawyers. Some of those not practicing are elderly lawyers who are of counsel, of course. About 7% of notional attorneys are black (which isn’t too different from other professions where licensing and certification examinations are common). The share of those sticking around in law is indubitably lower, but the BLS data is not that granular.
Take a gander at the careers of Marilyn Mosby, Keith Ellison, and Letitia James. All notable for being elected officials. Mosby passed the Maryland bar the 3d time it was administered following the receipt of her degree in May 2005. James passed the New York bar the 3d or 4th time the exam was administered after receiving her degree in May 1987. (Not sure about Ellison). Mosby had a brief tour on the staff of an insurance company. Otherwise all three have worked for public agencies or philanthropic concerns their whole professional lives. Ellison and James haven’t actually practiced law in 20+ years and worked strictly in the public defender / legal aid sector when they did. I suppose in any profession, someone’s got to be on the bottom. Our problem is that these bottom tier lawyers are in a position to make the world worse and pleased to do it. Note, a predominantly non-black electorate put two of these evil clowns in office, so you can’t blame tribal voting. James’ opponent was a black BigLaw partner who had other things to do with his life than seek public office. He lost in a landslide. Idiocracy is now.
When a university reports its average faculty salary I doubt that they are including the raw data for part time adjuncts who make $6,000/yr teaching 2 courses in their overall average. They must convert these #'s to full time equivalents or something like that.Replies: @Art Deco
AD tends to look something up in an almanac and assume that’s the last word. I don’t know how the BLS compiles its stats but in the real world modern universities get a lot of their teaching done by adjuncts.
AD is numerate. Jack D is a lawyer and thus not numerate.
About 54% of post-secondary teachers have f/t positions and they account for about 70% of the teaching manpower. It’s not ‘profitable’ for institutions. The utility of these characters is that their salaries are actually variable costs and they tend to create less trouble for others than do tenured faculty. Tenured faculty can be remarkably clueless when they begin rattling on about their salaries and working conditions.
This assuming that it's some BS taken out of context and/or irrelevant accusation about a tweet or some protest you went to etc. A thing we've seen over and over is people apologizing or even quitting right away once an accusation is made out of shock and embarrassment. (or because they get fired in a place with zero employee protections)Replies: @Abolish_public_education
How legalistic!
“Process” is a necessary evil that should be restricted to the criminal justice system. We don’t want the government punishing someone until it has at least gone through the motions.
That a private business cannot fire at-will, i.e. discrimination suits loom large, just shows you how the lawyers guild, especially in its dominance of the legislative branch, has got this country over a barrel.
“Legal process” is yet another strong reason why public sector employment needs to be kept as close to zero as possible. Taxpayers get clobbered twice.
First, by existence of the (unnecessary, economically destructive) incompetent worker. Second, since the government can’t punish (fire) someone without a “fair trial”. the series of costly, lawyer-enriching, administrative hearings (i.e. executive branch trials) necessary to resolve the situation.
I guess the good thing about academia is that you don't actually have to work?Replies: @Art Deco
Well, they may. Post-secondary teachers are commonly lacking in skills that are salable in the market place to any employer not a school. The standard of comparison isn’t research scientists or research technicians, but secondary school teachers and other bourgeois occupations they could conceivably learn in a modest time frame (e.g real estate sales). Median cash compensation for post-secondary teachers is around $78,000 a year. Salaries vary by discipline, but less than you’d think. Near the top are economists (median $104,000 a year). Near the bottom are criminal justice teachers ($61,000 a year, median).
Again, 46% teach p/t schedules. Benefits in higher education are commonly handsome (for faculty and staff alike). The median teaching schedule is 6 credit-hours per term. A conscientious professor teaching 6 credit-hours will put shy of 50 hours a week into his preparations, lectures, office hours, and grading, though he’ll put in less if he’s teaching multiple sections of a given course and only has to do one preparation for multiple lectures. The academic year runs to about 30 weeks a year.
I were given a stack of Georgetown Law School exams, I'd bet that I could pick out the ones written by black students with at least 90% accuracy. Have you seen Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton? It expresses the exact qualities I mention above.
https://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdfReplies: @hhsiii, @anon, @Polistra, @Clyde
I posted the two you tube comments 1oo% for comedy. But your answer is closer to the truth. One word–PATHETIC— For all involved in this farce of grading blacks in our universities and kow-towing to their infantile anger. Though half of their temper tantrums are fake and are put on (as in putting on a show) to get more $$$ , more affirmative action, whatever out of dumb white liberals.
You arrive and do your job perfectly something at which you are expert. No evaluations or any other c**p. And you can’t be replaced by aH1 B visa holder. It’s a lot better than being an engineer and having to go through several interviews and being H1Bed out of a job and ending up being a substitute math teacher in a ghetto high school harassed by blacks and feminazis
Best thing about the whole electrical trades is that what with solar panels electric heat electric cars and the rest is it’s a major growth industry and will be for another 50 years at least. It’s been booming for the last 50 years with refits to save the earth lol and data centers and it will keep booming.
Get an EE if you insist. But keep an eye on the IBEW apprenticeship classes coming up. When all the EE jobs are taken up by H1B visas, hope you can get into an IBEW local and make a living.
What a college tells you is a useful skill is only useful if you can find an employer who hires White men. If you’ve watched the news lately, there’s fewer and fewer employees planning to hire White men.
I believe that more computer programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available.
Another skilled job for Whites is RN and nuclear medicine technician. It’s only 4 years instead of 13. And considering the years wasted in school and residency and cost of college med school
and living in the most expensive cities in the. country for residency, lifetime earnings of RNs, nurse practitioners and some med techs like nuclear medicine are as good as MDs
And med schools only accept about 15 percent White men anyway.
What was considered a useful skill 30,40 years ago isn’t that useful today, especially if you’re a White man. And don’t believe what any college tells you is a useful employable skill.
That’s my advice. California nurses make about 125K a year. Our guys and gals working on the South Bay Facebook data center are making 20-23 thousand dollars a month. When we had a piece of the Golden Gate Bridge save the earth refit some made 260-300 hundred thousand in one year. The job lasted 19 months. Of course that was hanging upside down in 50 mile an hour wind from the towers 18 hours a day. But the money was excellent. Great thing about the data centers. The companies are trying to locate them in rural areas where land and property taxes are cheap. So you can live where housing is cheap. And supposedly the data centers need refitting every 9 or 10 years.
It’s a growing field and admission is strictly on a math engineering mechanical ability test. And once you’re in, no more HR c**P.Replies: @jon, @Anonymous, @JMcG
Well, yes and no. I just helped a young guy get into an IBEW apprenticeship. He started at 31/hr, overtime is good, plenty of work at the moment. But, there are a couple of hundred guys on the waiting list.
Cancel culture hasn’t really hit yet, but the eye of Sauron will get there eventually.
Plus, as an IBEW member, you don’t really work for the IBEW, but for whatever contractor hires you out of the hall. Those companies are just like any other big company in America.
I’m frankly surprised that the IBEW and a few other large Unions haven’t had the same thing happen as happened to the Firefighters and the Cops. Yet.
Japan herself is quite degraded, though it’s unclear how much of that is just on the surface. The sexlessness of the youth is far more advanced there than it is here. Perhaps a low birth rate is helpful to a crowded country, but not that low.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/011719680401300403?journalCode=amja
Japanese women do not make for ideal wives. That’s why many Japanese men travel to Philippines to find themselves a wife!
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/011719680401300403?journalCode=amja
As a black student, I know why our grades are worse: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/may/02/as-a-black-student-i-know-why-our-grades-are-worse-universities-dont-listen-to-us
In School Together, but Blacks Not Learning at the Same Rate
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/nyregion/study-black-white-achievement-gap-schools.html
There are hundreds of articles over discussing the very problem Professor Sellers mentioned. She had angst, deep anxiety and dread over the failure of Blacks to reach the top of her class. She sounds like a BLM activist or a writer for a leftist periodical. They have several of these article every year, wondering why Blacks fail to succeed in our schools and colleges. Why are some people allowed to discuss the lag in Black college graduation rates, the lag in Blacks test scores and the porr performance of Blacks at our colleges while other people are cancelled for having angst over these well known facts ?Replies: @Anonymous
As a black student, I know why our grades are worse: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/may/02/as-a-black-student-i-know-why-our-grades-are-worse-universities-dont-listen-to-us
That BAME acronym Miss Blackety-Black is using throughout her missive kills her extended scenario from the get-go, since Asians kick black ass (and Whites too, Miss Thang) academically in just about all subjects they choose to study. That fact she chooses to ignore this, of course makes every conclusion she bases on it glaringly false to the point of being laughable.
The fact she came up with it shows her lack of pattern recognition that conforms with reality, and yet paragraph after paragraph, she carries on as if her reasoning is winning the day.
Ironically, owing to her unyielding narcissism, a common problem in black culture, she’s giving a pyrotechnical exhibition of why, in general, black folks might not have the proclivity to excel as movers and shakers in the legal field.
And the sad part is, she doesn’t even know it.
This guy?
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/wtreanor-200x300.pngReplies: @Desiderius
If your criteria is sanpaku eyes per capita then yes, this ruling class and the institutions they run are really good. If you don’t want to out yourself as a Power Pointer some more critical engagement might be in order.
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020/07/opinion-reassessing-value-of-bar-exam-is-long-overdue.htmlReplies: @Jack D, @notsaying
Well I can only assume there are similar problems with MD exams unless perhaps there’s a much more ruthless process of winnowing people out along the way.
I wonder if the person who wrote this article would like to get rid of MD exams too? Would they like to have a doctor who couldn’t pass their exams?
Something tells me the answer is no.
It’s absolutely true. I was an adjunct at a community college until 2019 and I was given the maximum number of courses, four per semester, which was an 80% load (full-timers taught five).
I was paid $15,600 for eight classes.
About 20 years ago, a friend of mine, Mexican/Puerto Rican but very white looking, was co-teaching a paralegal class. A Latina received a grade of “D” on a mid-term, and complained to the main instructor, who was Anglo. He told her that’s what she earned, and she said, “you’re grading me by white standards.” He replied, “well, the guy who graded your paper is Mexican and Puerto Rican.”
I was paid $15,600 for eight classes.Replies: @black sea, @notsaying
I know a guy who did some adjunct teaching between jobs, maybe 10 years ago. If I remember correctly, he was paid $1,500 per class. This may have been on the quarter rather than semester system, but still.
However, it will not serve the cause of equity if these Black doctors are lured away by better paying hospitals in white communities, so I propose that these newly minted Black doctors be required to pay it forward by working only in hospitals that cater primarily to people of color.Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Ed
You joke but there’s a movement to do away with MCATs too:
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/views/2020/06/08/mcat-should-be-optional-opinion
Similar to Kamala Harris.
(No, I am not sensitive about it, more amused.)Replies: @Sam Malone
The word has long been in common usage among Americans, I doubt most would even guess at its German origin.
I was paid $15,600 for eight classes.Replies: @black sea, @notsaying
I am very sorry to hear that. Such low salaries are a disgrace.
Now, it's just a run of the mill Double-black Diamond run. We have guys getting a run at it so they can pull a double-back flip as they jump in, and they are building jumps all over the run to make it more challenging. The level these guys are skiing at is unreal.Replies: @Anonymous
It makes a big difference on the snow. On a big powder day Corbett’s isn’t that big of a deal, you just make a couple quick turns before you go over the edge and you’re fine. Even if you botch the landing you just give everyone an amusing floor show. The first time I did it, it was like in that video with loads of pow…I got way too far forward in the air (‘rolling up the windows’) and got ejected as soon as I hit the hill – I cartwheeled a couple of times and I still remember some old bearded local yelling “far out dude”! Lol.
If it’s bumped out or later in the season and a bit slushy…well that’s a league or three above my head.
But you’re correct – these guys are crazy good.
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