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From WCCO in Minneapolis:

Full George Floyd Autopsy Report Released, Says He Tested Positive For COVID-19
June 3, 2020 at 7:34 pm

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — The Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office has released their full and final autopsy report on the death of George Floyd, noting that he had tested positive for COVID-19, but it was not a contributing factor in his death.

In the report, the office’s final diagnoses states Floyd “became unresponsive while being restrained by law enforcement officers; he received emergency medical care in the field and subsequently in the Hennepin HealthCare (HHC) Emergency Department, but could not be resuscitated.”

The most notable detail in the final report is that Floyd had tested positive for COVID-19 on April 3. He was still asymptomatic after his death, but had “persistent positivity.”

The medical examiner’s office had issued an additional report on Monday, listing his manner of death is homicide due to “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.” The report also noted he had arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, fentanyl intoxication, and recent use of methamphetamine and cannabis.

 
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  1. lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    • Replies: @Joe, Averaged
    @Tor597

    Can we count him in both statistics, though?

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Tor597

    Your point being that all black people exhibit arterio-sclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, crazed violence due to various factors including fentanyl intoxication, regular use of methamphetamine and cannabis, obesity, diabetes, junk-food diets, lethargy, stupidity, etc etc. Okay, granted. No reason to single this guy out.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Tor597


    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.
     
    Floyd died of a heart attack, which isn't normally caused by pressure to your neck. On the other hand . . .

    "The report says Floyd’s autopsy revealed three “natural diseases:” (1) “arteriosclerotic heart disease,” which it described as “multifocal, severe;” (2) “hypertensive heart disease,” which included a “clinical history of hypertension,”
     
    And . . .

    Blood samples collected at 9:00 p.m. on May 25th, before Floyd died, tested positive for the following, the autopsy report states. (Quantities are given for those who are medically inclined.)

    Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
    Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
    4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
    Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
    https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/
     

    The experts will argue about the role of the various factors. I can't say how dangerous these blood levels of meth and fentanyl are. But in a person who already has high blood pressure and narrowed arteries, it's probably safe to say he would be alive today but for taking fentanyl, which is 300 times more potent than heroin.

    The legal and normally not-dangerous neck hold used to restrain him because he resisted arrest probably did contribute to his death. But so what? That's like dying by drunk driving into a tree, and blaming the tree for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    But it won't matter. There is no way these guys can get a fair trial. Everybody needs a conviction and they will find a way to get one.

    , @WJ
    @Tor597

    Sorry, it's what the science says.

  2. He was still asymptomatic after his death

    ?

    • LOL: OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    • Replies: @I Have Scinde
    @JSQ

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCjw0TKQ8E

  3. The rona claims another beloved African American. So tragic and sad. Should have been wearing a mask and practicing social distancing.

  4. Truly, a martyr for our times.

  5. This reminds me of a recurring theme on iSteve, the amusing/bizarre tendency of modern leftists to focus on symbolic concessions to ever smaller minorities as opposed to the material interests of the majority. How does the threat posed by police killings to blacks compare to other threats? Data from the CDC from 2017 (deaths of African-Americans of both genders and all ages):

    Heart diseases: ~78,000

    Malignant neoplasms: ~70,000

    Accidents (unintentional injuries): ~20,000

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: ~11,000

    Homicides: ~10,000 (note: the FBI data seems generally somewhat lower for recent years, ~6,500-8,000, but within the same order of magnitude)

    Septicemia: ~6,500

    Where do police killings of unarmed black men rank among such causes of death? According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40. Okay, but what about police killings of blacks—men and women, armed and unarmed— in general? According to the same source, they’ve been between 220-260 a year since 2015 the first year for which it provides data. (Incidentally, between 370-500 whites were killed a year by police over this time span according this source.)

    Police killings of black Americans in general, let alone unarmed black men specifically, are therefore within the margin of casual rounding for multiple causes other of mortality. Nobody can possibly speak about the ~2,800,000 Americans in general or ~330,000 African-Americans specifically who die of all causes in a year, many of them tragic, criminal and/or preventable. To whatever degree moral outrage at silence/apathy about deaths is appropriate, it is surely less appropriate about an issue that represents less than 1% of all causes of death compared to the sum of attention paid to the other 99%+ of causes.

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    And all of this holds without even adding on racial differences in crime rates and the fact that many or most police shootings are justifiable.

    • Thanks: dcthrowback, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    So? What's your point? We'll just have to have riots about heart disease and malignant neoplasms too!

    "Pittsburgh, you've got lower respiratory disease - here are your two pallets of bricks."
    "Des Moines, let's see, let's see ... OK, Des Moines, your riots are going to be about Septicimia." "Ohhh, we ALWAYS get Septicimia! How about something different this year? Nobody knows how to spell it."

    Thank you for the elucidating comment, SVD. You've just inspired a humorous blog post.

    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Stolen Valor Detective


    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.
     
    Do you think blacks are, on average, smart enough to understand that?

    I mean, the people who ginned up the racial violence surely knew what would jerk their chains harder.

    , @RW
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Do you have a link to the data on police killings of blacks?

    , @HammerJack
    @Stolen Valor Detective


    According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40.
     
    IOW, Trump's bluster that he's been exceptionally good for blacks gains yet another data point. And as usual, not to put too fine a point on it, diametrically opposed to the Received Wisdom.
  6. Whoever wrote the script for this year is fired.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Mr. Blank

    For the record, the dude was an Affirmative Action hire.

    https://i.redd.it/7sz7io1hoky41.jpg

  7. Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    • LOL: Bragadocious
    • Troll: Redman
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @obwandiyag

    He shagged his ragged-ass heart out doing poppers for his ghetto porn flicks.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @obwandiyag

    No, he died from the white cop's juju stare, egged on by two shaman gook colleagues.

    What, you don't believe in juju? In shamans? Are you latching on to white men's so-called "science"?

    Just who is the white supremacist here?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    , @newrouter
    @obwandiyag

    Africa wins again!

    , @donut
    @obwandiyag

    George Floyd died from drugs .

    , @Thurston
    @obwandiyag

    I guess that I shouldn't mention that the late Mr. Floyd's blood level was "Fentanyl 11 ng/mL"which is into the potentially range lest @obwandiyag group me with the "cocksucking liar whore" and "paid trolls"

    I suspect that @obwandiyag would be similarly perturbed if I mentioned that Mr. Floyd's autopsy found "Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe".

    , @Mr. Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.
     
    We've already marked you as a troll, Obi-wan.
    , @Che Blutarsky
    @obwandiyag

    We get it, we get it, you like black ****. It's okay, everybody's got something that trips their trigger.

    , @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    The officers did nothing wrong and will be fully acquitted. We can see it coming a mile off. It's the Trayvon drama over again. That prosecution should never have been brought in the first place. Perceptive people were warning from the start that it would just be a huge waste of time and resources. The same applies now. Now as then the prosecution has nothing except feels and optics to build a case. That's impressive on TV but means nothing in a courtroom.

    The officers will be acquitted and will then sue the police department for wrongful dismissal. They sure won't want to be policemen again given the treacherous way their employer treated them the moment the SJWs started screeching.

  8. LOL. LOL. LOL.

    Another COVID-19 death.

    And I thought I was joking!

    Buzz Mohawk says:
    June 2, 2020 at 6:04 am GMT • 200 Words

    Comorbidities! They can call it another COVID-19 death. Cop goes free.

  9. If he’d obeyed the lockdown, he’d be alive today.

  10. So now the four cops are infected.

    When did Mother Jones become so anti-union?

    Minneapolis Police Union President Allegedly Wore a “White Power Patch” and Made Racist Remarks

    Today, protesters and other activists in the city say the union, not the police chief, holds the most sway over officers and their behavior on patrol.

    Yes, the union. Not the management. Isn’t that the whole point of unions?

    Through a series of controversies over the years, [Bob] Kroll has been a staunch defender of the police.

    News flash: Union president stands up for the rank-and-file members who elected him. Will wonders never cease?

  11. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    He shagged his ragged-ass heart out doing poppers for his ghetto porn flicks.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    He died from overwork. Another poor person who Dies For Wall Street.

  12. Anon[596] • Disclaimer says:

    Good, thorough, unbiased compilation of all the George Floyd surveillance camera, bodycam, and smartphone video available on May 30th assembled into a timeline … by the Washington Post?! The narration is remarkably non-tendentious for the Post, although I recommend a careful first viewing with the sound off.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/

    The comments are fascinating. People see what they want to see. Lying eyes are actually lying eyes?

    Also, you get a hint of weird conspiracy theories abirthing (fake Apollo 11 style video with actors, cop car was not a cop car, etc.).

    =====

    The prosecutor upped the charge for the main cop to murder 2, which seems completely unsupportable as far as the intent element goes. Are they going for the tactic of overcharging, offering a plea, “juries are unpredictable,” and getting a plea to murder 3 without trial? Or are they making a ridiculous charge to tempt him to go to trial and get the thing thrown out while blaming the jury?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Anon

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, "I can't breathe"? I couldn't watch after that.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jane Plain

    , @vhrm
    @Anon

    Thanks, that's a nice reconstruction. (and the recommendation to watch it w/o sound 1st is a good one too )

    I don't see how you can prove homicide "beyond reasonable doubt" in this case unless there's some as-of-yet-unreleased recording that has the cops saying they intend to kill him or something else as bad as that.

    The cops treated him reasonably in the shots where he was clearly seen.
    He seems addled.
    He is pretty clearly not getting into the car.

    At no point so far are the cops yet seen to be hitting the guy or yelling or acting out of control. Tou Thao shoving the teen back is not great, but he's facing like 8 people yelling at them so not terrible.

    Along with that, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the cops to want to kill Floyd. He's being difficult, but he didn't just kill someone or assault the officers or lead them on a long chase etc. They seem to be fairly chill in dealing with him.

    As covered in previous threads "compressing the neck" is a legal move in their department. (although tbh i don't know how compressing the neck from the rear would actually compress the arteries. I'm not claiming any expertise in this, but it seems the backbone would prevent compression from that direction.)


    I don't see how this case is winnable. I think the charges are entirely political. And against Thao? He had his back to the whole thing through most of it. If they're going to go with some sort of "felony murder" thing where he's guilty because he drove Chauvin there, then the DA would have to also indict the dispatchers and everyone in the whole police department and the government because they're running the organization that sent its agents to kill Floyd.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky

  13. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    No, he died from the white cop’s juju stare, egged on by two shaman gook colleagues.

    What, you don’t believe in juju? In shamans? Are you latching on to white men’s so-called “science”?

    Just who is the white supremacist here?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar

    It doesn't help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @By-tor

  14. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    • Replies: @anarcocapitalist
    @Lot

    Frey, you say? Any relation to the mayor of Minneapolis?

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Lot

    Andrew FREY? You kidding me? Also, LOL.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    Oregon man? Is Oregon the new Florida?

    , @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @Lot

    Guys!! Guys!! Come on I'm almost there!

    , @Rob McX
    @Lot

    Mr Frey makes George Floyd look like a sissy.

  15. Don’t reckon Tony Timpa had COVID19 four years ago?

  16. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    Africa wins again!

  17. “fentanyl intoxication,”

    Thought Fen was a banned substance?

    “and recent use of methamphetamine”

    Meth, wow.

    “and cannabis.”

    What was he smoking?

    So fen-fen, meth, and weed in his system while tryna get a buzz but instead he got all buzzed out by the institutional racist multiculti cops.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And Covid-19...

    , @HammerJack
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Let's look at the bright side. Negro Science triumphs again as St. George discovers the "drug cocktail" which prevents covid from going all symptomatic. You may laugh, but it sounds like fun and I'm signing up for the first trial.

  18. Americans who were born in 1820 and died in 1890 said the countries they had grown up in and grown old in were entirely different places.

    When the lock-downs started, I wrote to a friend in France that, in ten years, I would feel the same way about the whole of the Western World.

    I just watched the Mayor of Los Angeles get down on his knees as his city burned around him.

    It was like watching a bad 1970s movie entitled: “Surrender to Planet of the Apes.”

    The change is going to take a lot fewer than ten years. The collapse will only gather pace.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @22pp22

    You're right. We go on thinking that things will go back to normal. They won't. Most of us think there's an end to the looting and lawlessness, at some point the state will assert power. It won't.

  19. Okay, but it doesn’t matter whether Floyd was unhealthy, on drugs, or even a bad guy.

    He didn’t randomly have a heart attack on the street. The cops kneeled him for 8+ minutes, despite pleas and protestations, until he stopped moving.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    @Fun

    1. He was being arrested. His pleas and protestations are arbitrary because he was being arrested. If he wanted to be free, and not be arrested, he should not have been a criminal.

    2. How many videos of Blacks being arrested with onlookers shouting "LET HIM GO", "YOU'RE HURTING HIM", "HE CAN'T BREATHE" exist? A lot, because it is very common when a Black gets arrested for fellow Blacks so shout the kind of stuff, along with "HE DIDN'T DO NUFFIN". So this is a false positive, just because people screamed he can't breathe doesn't mean the cops was choking him out, because in many cases Blacks are arrested without dying but that stuff is screamed.

    3. The technique of restraint, the knee on the neck, is a Minneapolis approved non-lethal restraint tactic that trained officers can use. Was Derek Chauvin trained? We are yet to know, but watching the video it is clear he's not choking the guy and appears to be following the procedure. In fact the first autopsy confirms this. Once again, he was being arrested, if he didn't want to be arrested like that perhaps he shouldn't have resisted and lied on the ground.

    4. The amount of fentanyl in his system was reportadly 4x the limit known to cause fatalities. Do you think taking an illegal depressent along with his prexisting 90% hypertensive condition may have had something to do with the fact he died while simply lying down? The officer didn't choke him out by all accounts, so you can say the officer was negligent in his duty but if anything it appears the officers, who have to deal with 6ft 4 violent criminal pornstars on illegal drugs, lucked out on picking him up while he may have been in the process of dying.

    To me it isn't sad that this guy died, it was all the other factors that let him exist, let him be there, and cause a situation wherein he had to die. I feel sorry for the police who have been abandoned by the fact that they're the ones trying to keep the community safe. I guess the next time George Floyd 2.0 goes out and assaults people we will be glad he'll be out on parol, or let out of jail due to diabetes, not dead, as he goes on his way to degrade society even further.

  20. @Stolen Valor Detective
    This reminds me of a recurring theme on iSteve, the amusing/bizarre tendency of modern leftists to focus on symbolic concessions to ever smaller minorities as opposed to the material interests of the majority. How does the threat posed by police killings to blacks compare to other threats? Data from the CDC from 2017 (deaths of African-Americans of both genders and all ages):

    Heart diseases: ~78,000

    Malignant neoplasms: ~70,000

    Accidents (unintentional injuries): ~20,000

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: ~11,000

    Homicides: ~10,000 (note: the FBI data seems generally somewhat lower for recent years, ~6,500-8,000, but within the same order of magnitude)

    Septicemia: ~6,500

    Where do police killings of unarmed black men rank among such causes of death? According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40. Okay, but what about police killings of blacks—men and women, armed and unarmed— in general? According to the same source, they’ve been between 220-260 a year since 2015 the first year for which it provides data. (Incidentally, between 370-500 whites were killed a year by police over this time span according this source.)

    Police killings of black Americans in general, let alone unarmed black men specifically, are therefore within the margin of casual rounding for multiple causes other of mortality. Nobody can possibly speak about the ~2,800,000 Americans in general or ~330,000 African-Americans specifically who die of all causes in a year, many of them tragic, criminal and/or preventable. To whatever degree moral outrage at silence/apathy about deaths is appropriate, it is surely less appropriate about an issue that represents less than 1% of all causes of death compared to the sum of attention paid to the other 99%+ of causes.

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    And all of this holds without even adding on racial differences in crime rates and the fact that many or most police shootings are justifiable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Peripatetic Commenter, @RW, @HammerJack

    So? What’s your point? We’ll just have to have riots about heart disease and malignant neoplasms too!

    “Pittsburgh, you’ve got lower respiratory disease – here are your two pallets of bricks.”
    “Des Moines, let’s see, let’s see … OK, Des Moines, your riots are going to be about Septicimia.” “Ohhh, we ALWAYS get Septicimia! How about something different this year? Nobody knows how to spell it.”

    Thank you for the elucidating comment, SVD. You’ve just inspired a humorous blog post.

  21. @Tor597
    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    Replies: @Joe, Averaged, @Mr McKenna, @Hypnotoad666, @WJ

    Can we count him in both statistics, though?

  22. @Stolen Valor Detective
    This reminds me of a recurring theme on iSteve, the amusing/bizarre tendency of modern leftists to focus on symbolic concessions to ever smaller minorities as opposed to the material interests of the majority. How does the threat posed by police killings to blacks compare to other threats? Data from the CDC from 2017 (deaths of African-Americans of both genders and all ages):

    Heart diseases: ~78,000

    Malignant neoplasms: ~70,000

    Accidents (unintentional injuries): ~20,000

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: ~11,000

    Homicides: ~10,000 (note: the FBI data seems generally somewhat lower for recent years, ~6,500-8,000, but within the same order of magnitude)

    Septicemia: ~6,500

    Where do police killings of unarmed black men rank among such causes of death? According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40. Okay, but what about police killings of blacks—men and women, armed and unarmed— in general? According to the same source, they’ve been between 220-260 a year since 2015 the first year for which it provides data. (Incidentally, between 370-500 whites were killed a year by police over this time span according this source.)

    Police killings of black Americans in general, let alone unarmed black men specifically, are therefore within the margin of casual rounding for multiple causes other of mortality. Nobody can possibly speak about the ~2,800,000 Americans in general or ~330,000 African-Americans specifically who die of all causes in a year, many of them tragic, criminal and/or preventable. To whatever degree moral outrage at silence/apathy about deaths is appropriate, it is surely less appropriate about an issue that represents less than 1% of all causes of death compared to the sum of attention paid to the other 99%+ of causes.

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    And all of this holds without even adding on racial differences in crime rates and the fact that many or most police shootings are justifiable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Peripatetic Commenter, @RW, @HammerJack

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    Do you think blacks are, on average, smart enough to understand that?

    I mean, the people who ginned up the racial violence surely knew what would jerk their chains harder.

  23. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    George Floyd died from drugs .

  24. @22pp22
    Americans who were born in 1820 and died in 1890 said the countries they had grown up in and grown old in were entirely different places.

    When the lock-downs started, I wrote to a friend in France that, in ten years, I would feel the same way about the whole of the Western World.

    I just watched the Mayor of Los Angeles get down on his knees as his city burned around him.

    It was like watching a bad 1970s movie entitled: "Surrender to Planet of the Apes."

    The change is going to take a lot fewer than ten years. The collapse will only gather pace.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    You’re right. We go on thinking that things will go back to normal. They won’t. Most of us think there’s an end to the looting and lawlessness, at some point the state will assert power. It won’t.

  25. George Floyd Died with But Not from Coronavirus

    Exactly, Steve. This is what we’ve been tryin’ to tell ya, man. The numbers are rigged!

    To add to the backstory, I’d read that right before he took the drugs before he was arrested, Mr. Floyd made a collect call to Mrs. Floyd in St. Paul across the Mississippi River: “This is Minneapolis calling, are we reaching?” “He keeps hanging up. I wonder why he keeps hanging up.”

    All in all, it’s just another brick through a window…

    • Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I saw Floyd's little daughter(well mom claims it's Floyd's 😉) and the poor girl said she would miss her dad, " what was his name again? "

    , @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The numbers are rigged!
     
    Does Hennepin HealthCare get $13,000 from Medicaid for treating a covid-19 patient?
  26. @Anon
    Good, thorough, unbiased compilation of all the George Floyd surveillance camera, bodycam, and smartphone video available on May 30th assembled into a timeline ... by the Washington Post?! The narration is remarkably non-tendentious for the Post, although I recommend a careful first viewing with the sound off.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/

    The comments are fascinating. People see what they want to see. Lying eyes are actually lying eyes?

    Also, you get a hint of weird conspiracy theories abirthing (fake Apollo 11 style video with actors, cop car was not a cop car, etc.).

    =====

    The prosecutor upped the charge for the main cop to murder 2, which seems completely unsupportable as far as the intent element goes. Are they going for the tactic of overcharging, offering a plea, “juries are unpredictable,” and getting a plea to murder 3 without trial? Or are they making a ridiculous charge to tempt him to go to trial and get the thing thrown out while blaming the jury?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @vhrm

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.
     
    Ms. Plain, dindus have been using that line ever since Eric Garner committed suicide by cop. Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    “I’m tryin’, I can’t breathe!”
    “Shaddup, asshole.”
    “I CAN’T!”
    “Are you fuckin’ stupid? SHADDUP!”
    “I CAN’T.”
    “That shit don’t work here.”
     
    https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/1267664589279371267

    Replies: @Charon, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous

    , @Jane Plain
    @Jane Plain

    But this time he really couldn't breathe.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @vhrm

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    @obwandiyag

    No, he died from the white cop's juju stare, egged on by two shaman gook colleagues.

    What, you don't believe in juju? In shamans? Are you latching on to white men's so-called "science"?

    Just who is the white supremacist here?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    It doesn’t help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jane Plain


    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”?
     
    No.

    I couldn’t watch after that.
     
    Make sure to mention that during voir dire.
    , @Anon
    @Jane Plain


    It doesn’t help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.
     
    All his weight? Nope. Neither autopsy showed crushing or bruising of the esophagus. There may have been some constriction of the carotid artery, which doesn’t show in autopsies unless it’s extreme. But if he’s talking he’s getting blood to his brain.
    , @By-tor
    @Jane Plain

    What you see in the photo is a fairly common method to keep unruly suspects under control as the officer's weight is placed on the shoulder blade. Doped-up Floyd weighed more than the cop. Any encounter with street blacks can go wrong quite quickly.

    It's obvious the lower-48 state protests were planned well-before St. Floyd's demise, so the BLM-Antifa 'Tet Offensive' is actually about another set of goals.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bricks-fires-frozen-bottle-projectiles-organized-tactics-americas-violent-rioters

  28. vhrm says:
    @Anon
    Good, thorough, unbiased compilation of all the George Floyd surveillance camera, bodycam, and smartphone video available on May 30th assembled into a timeline ... by the Washington Post?! The narration is remarkably non-tendentious for the Post, although I recommend a careful first viewing with the sound off.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/30/video-timeline-george-floyd-death/

    The comments are fascinating. People see what they want to see. Lying eyes are actually lying eyes?

    Also, you get a hint of weird conspiracy theories abirthing (fake Apollo 11 style video with actors, cop car was not a cop car, etc.).

    =====

    The prosecutor upped the charge for the main cop to murder 2, which seems completely unsupportable as far as the intent element goes. Are they going for the tactic of overcharging, offering a plea, “juries are unpredictable,” and getting a plea to murder 3 without trial? Or are they making a ridiculous charge to tempt him to go to trial and get the thing thrown out while blaming the jury?

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @vhrm

    Thanks, that’s a nice reconstruction. (and the recommendation to watch it w/o sound 1st is a good one too )

    I don’t see how you can prove homicide “beyond reasonable doubt” in this case unless there’s some as-of-yet-unreleased recording that has the cops saying they intend to kill him or something else as bad as that.

    The cops treated him reasonably in the shots where he was clearly seen.
    He seems addled.
    He is pretty clearly not getting into the car.

    At no point so far are the cops yet seen to be hitting the guy or yelling or acting out of control. Tou Thao shoving the teen back is not great, but he’s facing like 8 people yelling at them so not terrible.

    Along with that, there doesn’t seem to be any reason for the cops to want to kill Floyd. He’s being difficult, but he didn’t just kill someone or assault the officers or lead them on a long chase etc. They seem to be fairly chill in dealing with him.

    As covered in previous threads “compressing the neck” is a legal move in their department. (although tbh i don’t know how compressing the neck from the rear would actually compress the arteries. I’m not claiming any expertise in this, but it seems the backbone would prevent compression from that direction.)

    I don’t see how this case is winnable. I think the charges are entirely political. And against Thao? He had his back to the whole thing through most of it. If they’re going to go with some sort of “felony murder” thing where he’s guilty because he drove Chauvin there, then the DA would have to also indict the dispatchers and everyone in the whole police department and the government because they’re running the organization that sent its agents to kill Floyd.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @vhrm

    Does the state attorney general's office intend to win the case, or are their needs better served by throwing it and losing? It would be just another piece of evidence to prove to their constituency that the system is unworkable and broken and needs to be thrown in the scrap heap. (Or, winning the case might be in their best interest because they'll always find some other indignity to whip up the crowd.)

    If the cop was intentionally trying to kill him, it would either have been from racial malice (where there would be patterns of behavior, records, etc.) or personal malice (maybe Floyd shagged the guy's wife or ripped him off in a drug deal). If there's evidence of either, the case is not quite a slam dunk, but close.

    Maybe the cop is a vile murdering racist. Maybe he took advantage of a situation to murder someone he had a personal grudge against. Maybe he's just criminally negligent in not realizing the damage he was causing. Or maybe he just screwed up, with no intention of harming Floyd but misread the situation and kept a guy in a position where it would be fatal for someone with a decent amount of fentanyl in his system. Who the fuck knows what his thoughts or motivations were, we haven't heard a damn thing about it. You can't really be calling him guilty without a defense being presented, and also claim to be against lynching.

    He might be a guy that just fucked up, he might be a long time crooked cop (working part time at a seedy club might suggest that), he might be a raving lunatic white supremacist who finally got to live out his desire of killing a black guy, in which case he should fry in hell. But let's not take the time to actually look into it, let's just burn the fucking country down right away. Because that's the shining path that will take us to the glorious future.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  29. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    How can the examiner determine it was a “homicide”? All he can determine is medical cause of death. Only a detective or jury can determine if it was homicide. Just by calling it that you know he was not impartial.

    Also Covid-19 has been reported to induce heart attack, that’s why patients with heart disease are dying at the highest rate. Floyd had heart disease, plus he was on fentanyl and had meth and cannabis in his system. There are just too many possibilities here. A much more thorough review by a team of examiners including one familiar with Covid-19 deaths is needed, not just one single examiner, who was probably fearing for his life if he were to deliver any other conclusion.

  30. I am surprised that we don’t hear more about the late George Floyd’s Fentanyl intoxication from the people claiming that Mr. Floyd died of “asphyxiation”.

    Mr. Floyd’s blood level was “Fentanyl 11 ng/mL”[1] which is into the potentially range. [2]

    Similarly, the autopsy finding “Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe” sees little notice.

    [1] https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
    [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6609322/

  31. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    I guess that I shouldn’t mention that the late Mr. Floyd’s blood level was “Fentanyl 11 ng/mL”which is into the potentially range lest group me with the “cocksucking liar whore” and “paid trolls”

    I suspect that would be similarly perturbed if I mentioned that Mr. Floyd’s autopsy found “Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe”.

  32. @Tor597
    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    Replies: @Joe, Averaged, @Mr McKenna, @Hypnotoad666, @WJ

    Your point being that all black people exhibit arterio-sclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, crazed violence due to various factors including fentanyl intoxication, regular use of methamphetamine and cannabis, obesity, diabetes, junk-food diets, lethargy, stupidity, etc etc. Okay, granted. No reason to single this guy out.

  33. @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    Frey, you say? Any relation to the mayor of Minneapolis?

  34. @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    Andrew FREY? You kidding me? Also, LOL.

  35. @Stolen Valor Detective
    This reminds me of a recurring theme on iSteve, the amusing/bizarre tendency of modern leftists to focus on symbolic concessions to ever smaller minorities as opposed to the material interests of the majority. How does the threat posed by police killings to blacks compare to other threats? Data from the CDC from 2017 (deaths of African-Americans of both genders and all ages):

    Heart diseases: ~78,000

    Malignant neoplasms: ~70,000

    Accidents (unintentional injuries): ~20,000

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: ~11,000

    Homicides: ~10,000 (note: the FBI data seems generally somewhat lower for recent years, ~6,500-8,000, but within the same order of magnitude)

    Septicemia: ~6,500

    Where do police killings of unarmed black men rank among such causes of death? According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40. Okay, but what about police killings of blacks—men and women, armed and unarmed— in general? According to the same source, they’ve been between 220-260 a year since 2015 the first year for which it provides data. (Incidentally, between 370-500 whites were killed a year by police over this time span according this source.)

    Police killings of black Americans in general, let alone unarmed black men specifically, are therefore within the margin of casual rounding for multiple causes other of mortality. Nobody can possibly speak about the ~2,800,000 Americans in general or ~330,000 African-Americans specifically who die of all causes in a year, many of them tragic, criminal and/or preventable. To whatever degree moral outrage at silence/apathy about deaths is appropriate, it is surely less appropriate about an issue that represents less than 1% of all causes of death compared to the sum of attention paid to the other 99%+ of causes.

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    And all of this holds without even adding on racial differences in crime rates and the fact that many or most police shootings are justifiable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Peripatetic Commenter, @RW, @HammerJack

    Do you have a link to the data on police killings of blacks?

  36. @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    Oregon man? Is Oregon the new Florida?

  37. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    We’ve already marked you as a troll, Obi-wan.

  38. Fortunately, Ben Crump is sending Floyd’s body on a multistate tour and hired an 85 year old Michael Baden to do the family autopsy. I assume the Hennepin County Medical Examiner was not immune to the intense political pressure arising from this case so there maybe be grounds to contest their conclusion and Baden, like Biden, is not the man he once was.

    I think Floyd may have suffered a panic attack upon being restrained and had a heart attack. He certainly was predisposed for one and being handcuffed and pressed down unable to move can induce a claustrophobic panic attack. It’s a good reason for police to not pile on a suspect like they typically do as a suspect who might not want to resist suddenly feels compelled to do so to get the weight off them.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @unit472

    Did Baden release an actual report or only a headline? If there is a report, does it mention the presence of drugs and the heart disease?

    Replies: @unit472

  39. @Mr. Blank
    Whoever wrote the script for this year is fired.

    Replies: @Kronos

    For the record, the dude was an Affirmative Action hire.

  40. @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    We get it, we get it, you like black ****. It’s okay, everybody’s got something that trips their trigger.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  41. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @obwandiyag

    He shagged his ragged-ass heart out doing poppers for his ghetto porn flicks.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky

    He died from overwork. Another poor person who Dies For Wall Street.

  42. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "fentanyl intoxication,"

    Thought Fen was a banned substance?

    "and recent use of methamphetamine"

    Meth, wow.

    "and cannabis."

    What was he smoking?


    So fen-fen, meth, and weed in his system while tryna get a buzz but instead he got all buzzed out by the institutional racist multiculti cops.

    Replies: @Kronos, @HammerJack

    And Covid-19…

  43. @vhrm
    @Anon

    Thanks, that's a nice reconstruction. (and the recommendation to watch it w/o sound 1st is a good one too )

    I don't see how you can prove homicide "beyond reasonable doubt" in this case unless there's some as-of-yet-unreleased recording that has the cops saying they intend to kill him or something else as bad as that.

    The cops treated him reasonably in the shots where he was clearly seen.
    He seems addled.
    He is pretty clearly not getting into the car.

    At no point so far are the cops yet seen to be hitting the guy or yelling or acting out of control. Tou Thao shoving the teen back is not great, but he's facing like 8 people yelling at them so not terrible.

    Along with that, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the cops to want to kill Floyd. He's being difficult, but he didn't just kill someone or assault the officers or lead them on a long chase etc. They seem to be fairly chill in dealing with him.

    As covered in previous threads "compressing the neck" is a legal move in their department. (although tbh i don't know how compressing the neck from the rear would actually compress the arteries. I'm not claiming any expertise in this, but it seems the backbone would prevent compression from that direction.)


    I don't see how this case is winnable. I think the charges are entirely political. And against Thao? He had his back to the whole thing through most of it. If they're going to go with some sort of "felony murder" thing where he's guilty because he drove Chauvin there, then the DA would have to also indict the dispatchers and everyone in the whole police department and the government because they're running the organization that sent its agents to kill Floyd.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky

    Does the state attorney general’s office intend to win the case, or are their needs better served by throwing it and losing? It would be just another piece of evidence to prove to their constituency that the system is unworkable and broken and needs to be thrown in the scrap heap. (Or, winning the case might be in their best interest because they’ll always find some other indignity to whip up the crowd.)

    If the cop was intentionally trying to kill him, it would either have been from racial malice (where there would be patterns of behavior, records, etc.) or personal malice (maybe Floyd shagged the guy’s wife or ripped him off in a drug deal). If there’s evidence of either, the case is not quite a slam dunk, but close.

    Maybe the cop is a vile murdering racist. Maybe he took advantage of a situation to murder someone he had a personal grudge against. Maybe he’s just criminally negligent in not realizing the damage he was causing. Or maybe he just screwed up, with no intention of harming Floyd but misread the situation and kept a guy in a position where it would be fatal for someone with a decent amount of fentanyl in his system. Who the fuck knows what his thoughts or motivations were, we haven’t heard a damn thing about it. You can’t really be calling him guilty without a defense being presented, and also claim to be against lynching.

    He might be a guy that just fucked up, he might be a long time crooked cop (working part time at a seedy club might suggest that), he might be a raving lunatic white supremacist who finally got to live out his desire of killing a black guy, in which case he should fry in hell. But let’s not take the time to actually look into it, let’s just burn the fucking country down right away. Because that’s the shining path that will take us to the glorious future.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Che Blutarsky

    BTW, will the trial be scheduled for right before the November election?

  44. We are fighting the attitudes of cuckish men like Mattis. Don’t ever forget it.

    They are obedient toy soldiers and they want you to be the same.

    Chesley Sullenberger is cut from the same cloth. I don’t care what they did in life, if it wasn’t for men like them, White people would not be in the current mess.

    https://www.axios.com/james-mattis-trump-protests-f325f239-17f1-4795-b6a4-0ab1587ad210.html

  45. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    The guy who did the family autopsy (the white guy who was a working coroner, not his female black “doctor” sidekick who is a professor of forensic medicine (black?, female? M.D.? Autohire!) was on the (get this) Hannity Fox show. They’re buddies, apparently, so doc agreed to risk his rep with a Fox appearance. Hannity just let him talk.

    This guy’s theory has a lot of moving parts. Since the deceased did not have a crushed esophagus, and since he was talking like a circus parrot, the suffocation theory needs some backup. Autopsy 1 had his pre-existing conditions contributing (blame the victim!). Hannity’s buddy constructed a theory whereby the knee partially constricted blood flow and had some effect on spinal nerves along with diaphragm constriction by the other cops. This added up to shutting the guy down. The talking was some sort of carbon dioxide oral farting that vibrated his vocal chords. The advantage of this theory is that it gives the prosecutor an excuse to indict the other cops.

    Did either autopsy take into account that the victim recently had a serious novel pandemic respiratory disease that may have permanent lung damage effects?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Anon

    Litigation experts for hire like this guy are the ultimate whores. They will cook up any crazy theory no matter how implausible. The City, County and State will be looking to throw tens of millions at the family to make this go away. In fact, it would so politically toxic to even defend the case that they will probably have to admit liability and just argue about the damages (that's what happened in the Rodney King case).

    One interesting angle, though, is that usually only spouses and children have standing to sue for wrongful death. Right now, I've only heard of Floyd having a brother. But it won't matter, the government will just throw masses of money at him whether he has a case or not.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  46. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Have to correct you, George Floyd died after having had coronavirus. The report clearly states that he was received a positive test in early March and recovered long ago, concluding that any residual RNA fragments they picked up in RNA-seq were leftovers from the event.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Altai

    A month or so ago we were told by Chinese Doctors who had seen it via X-rays of previous victims, that Corona caused permanent, irreversible damage to the lungs.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @vhrm

  47. @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    Guys!! Guys!! Come on I’m almost there!

  48. @Achmed E. Newman

    George Floyd Died with But Not from Coronavirus
     
    Exactly, Steve. This is what we've been tryin' to tell ya, man. The numbers are rigged!

    To add to the backstory, I'd read that right before he took the drugs before he was arrested, Mr. Floyd made a collect call to Mrs. Floyd in St. Paul across the Mississippi River: "This is Minneapolis calling, are we reaching?" "He keeps hanging up. I wonder why he keeps hanging up."

    All in all, it's just another brick through a window...

    Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Adam Smith

    I saw Floyd’s little daughter(well mom claims it’s Floyd’s 😉) and the poor girl said she would miss her dad, ” what was his name again? “

  49. @Tor597
    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    Replies: @Joe, Averaged, @Mr McKenna, @Hypnotoad666, @WJ

    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    Floyd died of a heart attack, which isn’t normally caused by pressure to your neck. On the other hand . . .

    “The report says Floyd’s autopsy revealed three “natural diseases:” (1) “arteriosclerotic heart disease,” which it described as “multifocal, severe;” (2) “hypertensive heart disease,” which included a “clinical history of hypertension,”

    And . . .

    Blood samples collected at 9:00 p.m. on May 25th, before Floyd died, tested positive for the following, the autopsy report states. (Quantities are given for those who are medically inclined.)

    Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
    Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
    4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
    Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
    https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/authorities-just-released-george-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/

    The experts will argue about the role of the various factors. I can’t say how dangerous these blood levels of meth and fentanyl are. But in a person who already has high blood pressure and narrowed arteries, it’s probably safe to say he would be alive today but for taking fentanyl, which is 300 times more potent than heroin.

    The legal and normally not-dangerous neck hold used to restrain him because he resisted arrest probably did contribute to his death. But so what? That’s like dying by drunk driving into a tree, and blaming the tree for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    But it won’t matter. There is no way these guys can get a fair trial. Everybody needs a conviction and they will find a way to get one.

  50. Now we are back on coronavirus, ever so briefly, we know it isn’t so deadly as it swept rapidly through the Orthodox Jews and there weren’t a pile of bodies at the end of it.

  51. @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar

    It doesn't help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @By-tor

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”?

    No.

    I couldn’t watch after that.

    Make sure to mention that during voir dire.

  52. @Anon
    The guy who did the family autopsy (the white guy who was a working coroner, not his female black "doctor" sidekick who is a professor of forensic medicine (black?, female? M.D.? Autohire!) was on the (get this) Hannity Fox show. They're buddies, apparently, so doc agreed to risk his rep with a Fox appearance. Hannity just let him talk.

    This guy's theory has a lot of moving parts. Since the deceased did not have a crushed esophagus, and since he was talking like a circus parrot, the suffocation theory needs some backup. Autopsy 1 had his pre-existing conditions contributing (blame the victim!). Hannity's buddy constructed a theory whereby the knee partially constricted blood flow and had some effect on spinal nerves along with diaphragm constriction by the other cops. This added up to shutting the guy down. The talking was some sort of carbon dioxide oral farting that vibrated his vocal chords. The advantage of this theory is that it gives the prosecutor an excuse to indict the other cops.

    Did either autopsy take into account that the victim recently had a serious novel pandemic respiratory disease that may have permanent lung damage effects?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Litigation experts for hire like this guy are the ultimate whores. They will cook up any crazy theory no matter how implausible. The City, County and State will be looking to throw tens of millions at the family to make this go away. In fact, it would so politically toxic to even defend the case that they will probably have to admit liability and just argue about the damages (that’s what happened in the Rodney King case).

    One interesting angle, though, is that usually only spouses and children have standing to sue for wrongful death. Right now, I’ve only heard of Floyd having a brother. But it won’t matter, the government will just throw masses of money at him whether he has a case or not.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Hypnotoad666

    He had two children and at least two sisters. The official GoFundMe page has already raised over $10 million.

  53. Anon[596] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar

    It doesn't help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @By-tor

    It doesn’t help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    All his weight? Nope. Neither autopsy showed crushing or bruising of the esophagus. There may have been some constriction of the carotid artery, which doesn’t show in autopsies unless it’s extreme. But if he’s talking he’s getting blood to his brain.

  54. @Jane Plain
    @Reg Cæsar

    It doesn't help matters when someone is kneeling with all his weight on your neck.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon, @By-tor

    What you see in the photo is a fairly common method to keep unruly suspects under control as the officer’s weight is placed on the shoulder blade. Doped-up Floyd weighed more than the cop. Any encounter with street blacks can go wrong quite quickly.

    It’s obvious the lower-48 state protests were planned well-before St. Floyd’s demise, so the BLM-Antifa ‘Tet Offensive’ is actually about another set of goals.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bricks-fires-frozen-bottle-projectiles-organized-tactics-americas-violent-rioters

  55. @Achmed E. Newman

    George Floyd Died with But Not from Coronavirus
     
    Exactly, Steve. This is what we've been tryin' to tell ya, man. The numbers are rigged!

    To add to the backstory, I'd read that right before he took the drugs before he was arrested, Mr. Floyd made a collect call to Mrs. Floyd in St. Paul across the Mississippi River: "This is Minneapolis calling, are we reaching?" "He keeps hanging up. I wonder why he keeps hanging up."

    All in all, it's just another brick through a window...

    Replies: @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Adam Smith

    The numbers are rigged!

    Does Hennepin HealthCare get $13,000 from Medicaid for treating a covid-19 patient?

  56. @Hypnotoad666
    @Anon

    Litigation experts for hire like this guy are the ultimate whores. They will cook up any crazy theory no matter how implausible. The City, County and State will be looking to throw tens of millions at the family to make this go away. In fact, it would so politically toxic to even defend the case that they will probably have to admit liability and just argue about the damages (that's what happened in the Rodney King case).

    One interesting angle, though, is that usually only spouses and children have standing to sue for wrongful death. Right now, I've only heard of Floyd having a brother. But it won't matter, the government will just throw masses of money at him whether he has a case or not.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    He had two children and at least two sisters. The official GoFundMe page has already raised over $10 million.

  57. @unit472
    Fortunately, Ben Crump is sending Floyd's body on a multistate tour and hired an 85 year old Michael Baden to do the family autopsy. I assume the Hennepin County Medical Examiner was not immune to the intense political pressure arising from this case so there maybe be grounds to contest their conclusion and Baden, like Biden, is not the man he once was.

    I think Floyd may have suffered a panic attack upon being restrained and had a heart attack. He certainly was predisposed for one and being handcuffed and pressed down unable to move can induce a claustrophobic panic attack. It's a good reason for police to not pile on a suspect like they typically do as a suspect who might not want to resist suddenly feels compelled to do so to get the weight off them.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Did Baden release an actual report or only a headline? If there is a report, does it mention the presence of drugs and the heart disease?

    • Replies: @unit472
    @Henry's Cat

    I only saw Baden on Hannity's show. If he made a report it was probably turned over to Ben Crump and will not be publicly released unless and until smarter people than Crump can vet it. I'd be very surprised if Minnesota AG Ellison relies on Baden's report as Ellison has to win a trial not be a part of Ben Crump's TV show.

  58. @Jane Plain
    @Anon

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, "I can't breathe"? I couldn't watch after that.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jane Plain

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.

    Ms. Plain, dindus have been using that line ever since Eric Garner committed suicide by cop. Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    “I’m tryin’, I can’t breathe!”
    “Shaddup, asshole.”
    “I CAN’T!”
    “Are you fuckin’ stupid? SHADDUP!”
    “I CAN’T.”
    “That shit don’t work here.”

    • LOL: vhrm
    • Replies: @Charon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    OMFG 😲

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:
     
    Nope.

    Also, cops shouldn't do dumb domination shit like telling someone they're pinning down to get up and get in the car.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hands up, don't shoot

    :)

  59. @Lot
    @obwandiyag

    “ Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. ”

    “ You cocksucking liar whores“

    http://www.sott.net/image/s9/198937/full/winking_putin_u_mad_bro.jpg

    https://memeguy.com/photos/images/meth-is-one-hell-of-a-drug-77803.png

    Replies: @anarcocapitalist, @Mr McKenna, @Mr. Anon, @OsgoodDeLaPoopoo, @Rob McX

    Mr Frey makes George Floyd look like a sissy.

  60. @Altai
    Have to correct you, George Floyd died after having had coronavirus. The report clearly states that he was received a positive test in early March and recovered long ago, concluding that any residual RNA fragments they picked up in RNA-seq were leftovers from the event.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    A month or so ago we were told by Chinese Doctors who had seen it via X-rays of previous victims, that Corona caused permanent, irreversible damage to the lungs.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @ThreeCranes

    Since COVID is only a few months old, any declaration of "permanent" should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Replies: @anon

    , @vhrm
    @ThreeCranes

    The State autopsy noted that Floyd's lungs were fine. The only abnormal thing they found was some small pieces of bone marrow consistent with what happens when a bone is broken. (one of his ribs was broken during CPR).

  61. @Henry's Cat
    @unit472

    Did Baden release an actual report or only a headline? If there is a report, does it mention the presence of drugs and the heart disease?

    Replies: @unit472

    I only saw Baden on Hannity’s show. If he made a report it was probably turned over to Ben Crump and will not be publicly released unless and until smarter people than Crump can vet it. I’d be very surprised if Minnesota AG Ellison relies on Baden’s report as Ellison has to win a trial not be a part of Ben Crump’s TV show.

  62. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.
     
    Ms. Plain, dindus have been using that line ever since Eric Garner committed suicide by cop. Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    “I’m tryin’, I can’t breathe!”
    “Shaddup, asshole.”
    “I CAN’T!”
    “Are you fuckin’ stupid? SHADDUP!”
    “I CAN’T.”
    “That shit don’t work here.”
     
    https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/1267664589279371267

    Replies: @Charon, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous

    OMFG 😲

  63. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "fentanyl intoxication,"

    Thought Fen was a banned substance?

    "and recent use of methamphetamine"

    Meth, wow.

    "and cannabis."

    What was he smoking?


    So fen-fen, meth, and weed in his system while tryna get a buzz but instead he got all buzzed out by the institutional racist multiculti cops.

    Replies: @Kronos, @HammerJack

    Let’s look at the bright side. Negro Science triumphs again as St. George discovers the “drug cocktail” which prevents covid from going all symptomatic. You may laugh, but it sounds like fun and I’m signing up for the first trial.

  64. @Stolen Valor Detective
    This reminds me of a recurring theme on iSteve, the amusing/bizarre tendency of modern leftists to focus on symbolic concessions to ever smaller minorities as opposed to the material interests of the majority. How does the threat posed by police killings to blacks compare to other threats? Data from the CDC from 2017 (deaths of African-Americans of both genders and all ages):

    Heart diseases: ~78,000

    Malignant neoplasms: ~70,000

    Accidents (unintentional injuries): ~20,000

    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: ~11,000

    Homicides: ~10,000 (note: the FBI data seems generally somewhat lower for recent years, ~6,500-8,000, but within the same order of magnitude)

    Septicemia: ~6,500

    Where do police killings of unarmed black men rank among such causes of death? According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40. Okay, but what about police killings of blacks—men and women, armed and unarmed— in general? According to the same source, they’ve been between 220-260 a year since 2015 the first year for which it provides data. (Incidentally, between 370-500 whites were killed a year by police over this time span according this source.)

    Police killings of black Americans in general, let alone unarmed black men specifically, are therefore within the margin of casual rounding for multiple causes other of mortality. Nobody can possibly speak about the ~2,800,000 Americans in general or ~330,000 African-Americans specifically who die of all causes in a year, many of them tragic, criminal and/or preventable. To whatever degree moral outrage at silence/apathy about deaths is appropriate, it is surely less appropriate about an issue that represents less than 1% of all causes of death compared to the sum of attention paid to the other 99%+ of causes.

    By contrast, according to the CDC, around 20,000 African-Americans alone have died of the coronavirus so far. Even if you think that these numbers are, say, exaggerated by a factor of 4 (which I think is highly implausible), the coronavirus is more than 10x deadlier than police killings are for African-Americans. Reducing coronavirus deaths by 5% would have saved more black lives than reducing police killings by 100% would. These aren’t comparably important issues, worthy of comparable discussion and attention; at least in terms of lives at risk; one is literally two orders of magnitude more important than the other.

    And all of this holds without even adding on racial differences in crime rates and the fact that many or most police shootings are justifiable.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Peripatetic Commenter, @RW, @HammerJack

    According to the Washington Post’s database, 9—yes, that’s supposed to be nine without a zero, not 90 or 900—unarmed black men were killed by police in 2019. This represents a decrease from 2016-2018, in which it was around 20. In 2015, it was around 40.

    IOW, Trump’s bluster that he’s been exceptionally good for blacks gains yet another data point. And as usual, not to put too fine a point on it, diametrically opposed to the Received Wisdom.

  65. @Che Blutarsky
    @vhrm

    Does the state attorney general's office intend to win the case, or are their needs better served by throwing it and losing? It would be just another piece of evidence to prove to their constituency that the system is unworkable and broken and needs to be thrown in the scrap heap. (Or, winning the case might be in their best interest because they'll always find some other indignity to whip up the crowd.)

    If the cop was intentionally trying to kill him, it would either have been from racial malice (where there would be patterns of behavior, records, etc.) or personal malice (maybe Floyd shagged the guy's wife or ripped him off in a drug deal). If there's evidence of either, the case is not quite a slam dunk, but close.

    Maybe the cop is a vile murdering racist. Maybe he took advantage of a situation to murder someone he had a personal grudge against. Maybe he's just criminally negligent in not realizing the damage he was causing. Or maybe he just screwed up, with no intention of harming Floyd but misread the situation and kept a guy in a position where it would be fatal for someone with a decent amount of fentanyl in his system. Who the fuck knows what his thoughts or motivations were, we haven't heard a damn thing about it. You can't really be calling him guilty without a defense being presented, and also claim to be against lynching.

    He might be a guy that just fucked up, he might be a long time crooked cop (working part time at a seedy club might suggest that), he might be a raving lunatic white supremacist who finally got to live out his desire of killing a black guy, in which case he should fry in hell. But let's not take the time to actually look into it, let's just burn the fucking country down right away. Because that's the shining path that will take us to the glorious future.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    BTW, will the trial be scheduled for right before the November election?

  66. “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.”

    That’s gibberish. If cardiac arrest is what he died of who cares if it complicated his being subdued? Especially since it must have made it easier to subdue him.

    Maybe it made more sense in the medical examiner’s mother tongue.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @dearieme

    It might be a crappy journalist typing up complicating instead of complicated by. The journalist also wrote


    He was still asymptomatic after his death
     
    LOL.
  67. @Tor597
    lol at white people grasping at straws here. You are desperately trying to find any excuse possible to pin the death on something else than what is blatantly obvious that Floyd died because a white cop was kneeling on his neck.

    Replies: @Joe, Averaged, @Mr McKenna, @Hypnotoad666, @WJ

    Sorry, it’s what the science says.

  68. @JSQ

    He was still asymptomatic after his death
     
    ?

    Replies: @I Have Scinde

  69. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.
     
    Ms. Plain, dindus have been using that line ever since Eric Garner committed suicide by cop. Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    “I’m tryin’, I can’t breathe!”
    “Shaddup, asshole.”
    “I CAN’T!”
    “Are you fuckin’ stupid? SHADDUP!”
    “I CAN’T.”
    “That shit don’t work here.”
     
    https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/1267664589279371267

    Replies: @Charon, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous

    Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    Nope.

    Also, cops shouldn’t do dumb domination shit like telling someone they’re pinning down to get up and get in the car.

  70. @dearieme
    “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.”

    That's gibberish. If cardiac arrest is what he died of who cares if it complicated his being subdued? Especially since it must have made it easier to subdue him.

    Maybe it made more sense in the medical examiner's mother tongue.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    It might be a crappy journalist typing up complicating instead of complicated by. The journalist also wrote

    He was still asymptomatic after his death

    LOL.

  71. @ThreeCranes
    @Altai

    A month or so ago we were told by Chinese Doctors who had seen it via X-rays of previous victims, that Corona caused permanent, irreversible damage to the lungs.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @vhrm

    Since COVID is only a few months old, any declaration of “permanent” should be taken with a grain of salt.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Chrisnonymous

    Since COVID is only a few months old, any declaration of “permanent” should be taken with a grain of salt.

    It isn't that difficult to look at an x-ray and see damage due to blood clots, and the scarring from blood clots can be permanent.. SARS-2 may well be more of a circulatory disease that spreads via the respiration system than just a respiratory disease.

    Some people have developed blood clots in their toes or fingers, too. Are there blood clots elsewhere, such as the liver or kidneys? If no one has looked, we cannot know.

    https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

  72. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    @ThreeCranes

    Since COVID is only a few months old, any declaration of "permanent" should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Replies: @anon

    Since COVID is only a few months old, any declaration of “permanent” should be taken with a grain of salt.

    It isn’t that difficult to look at an x-ray and see damage due to blood clots, and the scarring from blood clots can be permanent.. SARS-2 may well be more of a circulatory disease that spreads via the respiration system than just a respiratory disease.

    Some people have developed blood clots in their toes or fingers, too. Are there blood clots elsewhere, such as the liver or kidneys? If no one has looked, we cannot know.

    https://elemental.medium.com/coronavirus-may-be-a-blood-vessel-disease-which-explains-everything-2c4032481ab2

  73. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, “I can’t breathe”? I couldn’t watch after that.
     
    Ms. Plain, dindus have been using that line ever since Eric Garner committed suicide by cop. Here’s how “I can’t breathe!” from the usual suspects should be handled:

    “I’m tryin’, I can’t breathe!”
    “Shaddup, asshole.”
    “I CAN’T!”
    “Are you fuckin’ stupid? SHADDUP!”
    “I CAN’T.”
    “That shit don’t work here.”
     
    https://twitter.com/balleralert/status/1267664589279371267

    Replies: @Charon, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous

    Hands up, don’t shoot

    🙂

  74. @Jane Plain
    @Anon

    Did you miss the part where Floyd says, "I can't breathe"? I couldn't watch after that.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jane Plain

    But this time he really couldn’t breathe.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jane Plain


    But this time he really couldn’t breathe.
     
    It’s always ironic when wolves cry wolf.
    , @vhrm
    @Jane Plain


    But this time he really couldn’t breathe.
     
    Both Gardner and Floyd died of heart attacks.

    Shortness of breath and feeling you can't breathe (even though you can) is a classic symptom of heart attack.

    The phrase "feels like an elephant is sitting on my chest" used to describe this.

    Compare this to"having the wind knocked out of you" when your diaphragm is temporarily paralyzed and you actually can't breathe you can't talk either until it subsides.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onilAi_CJL4

    So people who clearly and breathily and repeatedly say they can't breathe... are almost certainly not being chocked to death, but they may well be having a heart attack.

    (or may have their chest compressed , which is similar, but different from getting chocked. there you might get some strained "i can't breathe"s out)
  75. @Jane Plain
    @Jane Plain

    But this time he really couldn't breathe.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @vhrm

    But this time he really couldn’t breathe.

    It’s always ironic when wolves cry wolf.

  76. @Jane Plain
    @Jane Plain

    But this time he really couldn't breathe.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @vhrm

    But this time he really couldn’t breathe.

    Both Gardner and Floyd died of heart attacks.

    Shortness of breath and feeling you can’t breathe (even though you can) is a classic symptom of heart attack.

    The phrase “feels like an elephant is sitting on my chest” used to describe this.

    Compare this to”having the wind knocked out of you” when your diaphragm is temporarily paralyzed and you actually can’t breathe you can’t talk either until it subsides.

    So people who clearly and breathily and repeatedly say they can’t breathe… are almost certainly not being chocked to death, but they may well be having a heart attack.

    (or may have their chest compressed , which is similar, but different from getting chocked. there you might get some strained “i can’t breathe”s out)

  77. @ThreeCranes
    @Altai

    A month or so ago we were told by Chinese Doctors who had seen it via X-rays of previous victims, that Corona caused permanent, irreversible damage to the lungs.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @vhrm

    The State autopsy noted that Floyd’s lungs were fine. The only abnormal thing they found was some small pieces of bone marrow consistent with what happens when a bone is broken. (one of his ribs was broken during CPR).

  78. Floyd you say? Sure I’m a big fan.

  79. Slightly off topic, that clown Greg Cochran has gone very quiet about coronavirus as his prediction of 2 million deaths is proven spectacularly wrong. And my prediction of 200k in America about right.

  80. Tusk says:
    @Fun
    Okay, but it doesn't matter whether Floyd was unhealthy, on drugs, or even a bad guy.

    He didn't randomly have a heart attack on the street. The cops kneeled him for 8+ minutes, despite pleas and protestations, until he stopped moving.

    Replies: @Tusk

    1. He was being arrested. His pleas and protestations are arbitrary because he was being arrested. If he wanted to be free, and not be arrested, he should not have been a criminal.

    2. How many videos of Blacks being arrested with onlookers shouting “LET HIM GO”, “YOU’RE HURTING HIM”, “HE CAN’T BREATHE” exist? A lot, because it is very common when a Black gets arrested for fellow Blacks so shout the kind of stuff, along with “HE DIDN’T DO NUFFIN”. So this is a false positive, just because people screamed he can’t breathe doesn’t mean the cops was choking him out, because in many cases Blacks are arrested without dying but that stuff is screamed.

    3. The technique of restraint, the knee on the neck, is a Minneapolis approved non-lethal restraint tactic that trained officers can use. Was Derek Chauvin trained? We are yet to know, but watching the video it is clear he’s not choking the guy and appears to be following the procedure. In fact the first autopsy confirms this. Once again, he was being arrested, if he didn’t want to be arrested like that perhaps he shouldn’t have resisted and lied on the ground.

    4. The amount of fentanyl in his system was reportadly 4x the limit known to cause fatalities. Do you think taking an illegal depressent along with his prexisting 90% hypertensive condition may have had something to do with the fact he died while simply lying down? The officer didn’t choke him out by all accounts, so you can say the officer was negligent in his duty but if anything it appears the officers, who have to deal with 6ft 4 violent criminal pornstars on illegal drugs, lucked out on picking him up while he may have been in the process of dying.

    To me it isn’t sad that this guy died, it was all the other factors that let him exist, let him be there, and cause a situation wherein he had to die. I feel sorry for the police who have been abandoned by the fact that they’re the ones trying to keep the community safe. I guess the next time George Floyd 2.0 goes out and assaults people we will be glad he’ll be out on parol, or let out of jail due to diabetes, not dead, as he goes on his way to degrade society even further.

  81. Anonymous[944] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Anybody, anybody who says that George Floyd died from drugs is an out-and-out troll. Mark them on your list as paid trolls, the real kind, that live on troll farms and push stuff the owners want pushed.

    George Floyd died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure. Proven fact. You cocksucking liar whores.

    https://myfox47.com/2020/06/01/independent-autopsy-challenges-findings-by-hennepin-county-medical-examiner-in-floyd-death/

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Reg Cæsar, @Lot, @newrouter, @donut, @Thurston, @Mr. Anon, @Che Blutarsky, @Anonymous

    The officers did nothing wrong and will be fully acquitted. We can see it coming a mile off. It’s the Trayvon drama over again. That prosecution should never have been brought in the first place. Perceptive people were warning from the start that it would just be a huge waste of time and resources. The same applies now. Now as then the prosecution has nothing except feels and optics to build a case. That’s impressive on TV but means nothing in a courtroom.

    The officers will be acquitted and will then sue the police department for wrongful dismissal. They sure won’t want to be policemen again given the treacherous way their employer treated them the moment the SJWs started screeching.

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