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A confusing graph with repeating timelines: left half is homicides, right half is shootings

Left half is homicides, right half is shootings

Fr0m the New York Times:

Fragile Baltimore Struggles to Heal After Deadly Police Encounter
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG OCT. 20, 2015

City residents, angry and frightened over rising homicides, accuse the police of standing down and ignoring crime.

… Six months after a 25-year-old black man, Freddie Gray, died after suffering a spinal cord injury in police custody, setting off the worst riots here since the 1968 assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., this waterfront city is fragile and on edge. Baltimore is in search of new leadership and unsure of its future, as it braces for the trials of six police officers implicated in Mr. Gray’s death.

The homicide rate is soaring. Baltimore, with roughly 623,000 people, has had 270 homicides this year, almost as many as in New York, with 281 in a city of about 8.4 million. Nearly 100 people have been murdered in Baltimore in the last three months alone, eight in the last week. Residents, angry and frightened, accuse the police of standing down and ignoring crime. …

The unrest thrust those two Baltimores together, forcing painful conversations about the city’s racial divide. But in a city where blacks outnumber whites two to one, it has also been a reminder that black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo. …

Like most homicides in Baltimore, Mr. Butler’s is unsolved; as more people are being killed here, fewer killers are being caught. The homicide “clearance rate,” the percentage of killings solved by the police, was 45.5 percent last year; today it is 32.8 percent, the police said. Nationally, the rate was 64 percent in 2013, the most recent year for which the Justice Department has statistics.

L.A. Times homicide reporter Jill Leovy’s recent Ghettoside, which I reviewed recently, argues that the homicide clearance rate is the key measure of impunity.

In response, the Rawlings-Blake administration has created a “war room” — a controversial term here, given tensions between the police and residents — where detectives, prosecutors and federal agents trace weapons and track down criminals. Mr. Davis, the police commissioner, says the team has identified 238 “gun toters,” all suspected of homicides or nonfatal shootings. None are behind bars.

Ta-Nehisi Coates must be pleased. Except some of these guys are no doubt the same thugs who made dweeby TNC’s childhood in Baltimore terrifying. How can we reconcile this? I know! Because racism.

On a rainy summer night, Ms. Hawks could be found in a cavernous auditorium, filled with mostly white residents who had come to unload their grievances on Ms. Rawlings-Blake, at a community forum on crime, one of a series that the mayor has convened.

One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …

“The lawless are becoming a protected class, and hard-working people are losing everything,” she went on, pleading with Ms. Rawlings-Blake to “get on the national media” and turn Baltimore’s “decimated” reputation around.

While investment is booming in some parts of Baltimore, tourism, critical to the local economy — and especially to Fell’s Point — declined during the unrest, and has yet to recover. Hotel occupancy is down roughly 9 percent since April; ticket sales at city museums and attractions have dropped. Anirban Basu, the chairman of the Maryland Economic Development Commission, warned that the “reputational impact” could last for years.

The Fell’s Point sidewalks were nearly empty on a recent Friday afternoon, save for some homeless people wandering the brick-paved town square. Claudia Towles, who owns a high-end toy store, Amuse, looked out her front window, past a display of brightly colored scooters, and frowned at the sight of parking spots on the street.

“We’re normally packed on Fridays,” she said. “People used to double-park.”

Across the street, at “The Horse You Came In On Saloon,” which claims to have stayed open through Prohibition, and to have served Edgar Allan Poe his last drink, the owner, Eric Mathias, estimated that he lost $50,000 in sales during the five-day curfew imposed during the unrest, and said weekend “day-trippers” he depends on have not returned. He longed for a mayor like Rudolph W. Giuliani of New York, someone who would get tough on crime.

 
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  1. I was recently in Baltimore – and the Fell’s Point neighborhood – and spent some time with a friend who is a resident. He said that while his upper middle class neighborhood was not having to deal with murders, the amount of property crimes and break-ins were way up since the riots. He also confirmed – though discussions with a police officer who is an in-law – that the police are extremely concerned about liability/criminal charges in regard to their everyday duties. He basically said that it’s a big mess there & his comments echo those of the Fell’s Point proprietors in the NYT article.

  2. Struggles to Heal

    I don’t think a “police encounter” — “deadly” or not — is the reason Baltimore might be ‘struggling to heal’. And yes, I can just see those hardcore underclass ghetto Blacks in Baltimore using their Obamaphones to comfort each other in their ‘struggle to heal’. The NYT is so infantile.

    • Replies: @backup
    @eah

    It is all part of code speak. Take for instance this:


    it has also been a reminder that black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo.
     
    What an utterly clever way to say that blacks always have trouble with the law and still manage to sound like you are on the side of the Black Lives Matter narrative.

    Replies: @bomag

  3. “The Government can’t be concerned any longer with outmoded penological theories. Soon we may be needing all our prison space for political offenders. Common criminals like these are best dealt with on a purely curative basis. Kill the criminal reflex, that’s all. Full implementation in a year’s time. Punishment means nothing to them, you can see that. They enjoy their so-called punishment.”
    – Minister of the Interior, A Clockwork Orange

  4. “One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …”

    Hilarious. In my neck of the woods you can watch the citizen/cop review meetings on channel 8. Resident’s in these meetings complain when 3 cop cars come to their area to address a situation.

    Cops are great to blame. Rule of thumb – if you live in an area where cops are not needed – you good. You live in an area where half your community hates cops for the simple reason that they are doing their job – move. Blame gentrification if you need to keep your lib cred up.

    • Replies: @President Camacho
    @asdf

    “One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …”

    Sounds like a libertarian paradise.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  5. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:

    Via German Joys:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1889952

    Contrary to common perceptions, today both property and violent crimes (with the exception of homicides) are more widespread in Europe than in the United States, while the opposite was true thirty years ago.

    Not to worry, #blacklivesmatter will reverse the reversal.

    • Replies: @Guy
    @WhatEvvs

    Not if the infidel refugees in Europe have anything to say about it.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

    , @Simon in London
    @WhatEvvs

    I recall London's Metropolitan Police claims to have a 90% murder clear-up rate; 95% for attempted murder.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

  6. I can’t really say I feel bad for anyone in Baltimore. All the gentrifiers only moved in because of the heavy police presence. If your city needs heavy-handed cops to be constantly patrolling and busting heads for you to feel safe, you picked the wrong city to live in. Truly nice places to live don’t need cops for much. Gentrified Baltimore was an artificially nice place to live, hence why it became a not-nice place to live so quickly once the cops realized the elites don’t want them to do their jobs.

  7. Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a “boys will be boys attitude”, that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call “rape culture”.

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of “boys will be boys”, although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn’t take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can’t get decent jobs, they can’t support families, women don’t want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don’t leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there’s actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in “boys will by boys”: that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    • Agree: (((Owen)))
    • Replies: @Drake
    @Drake

    I should mention that what I said above only applies when there are extremely high levels of crime, to the point where you would be imprisoning 20-30% of the men in a city. Which is when family formation starts being deeply disrupted.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Drake

    The alternate solution is to liberalize gun laws and self-defense laws. Let the community sort itself out.

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Big Bill

    , @backup
    @Drake


    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy.
     
    Not only that, decent people will start to move out. Nobody chooses to raise daughters in places which basically trivialises rape. Look at the flight out of the cities in the sixties. So Coates recipe is actually a recipe for ghettofication.
    , @Emblematic
    @Drake

    You're assuming stable, two parent families as traditionally formed by whites are also the natural condition for blacks. They're not. It's the difference between r and K reproduction modes. Blacks have higher fertility, but shorter and more violent lives. Fathers staying with one woman and helping raise fewer children with higher investment in each child is not part of black nature.

    Replies: @Big Bill

    , @Doug
    @Drake

    > This is the wisdom implicit in “boys will by boys”: that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back... Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    This isn't reactionary in the slightest. Post-Medieval Western Civilization was built on the eugenic sieve of mass executions of criminal men. Europe failed to surpass other areas of the globe until strong states emerged and cracked down hard on would-be rogues and vagabonds. Populations were pacified and made fit for the eventual coming of industrial capitalism by removing low quality from the gene pool with extreme prejudice.

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs. The mythology of the anti-authoritarian Arabian adventurer lives on in the spirit of ISIS. We see just how well that approach works. The bottom decile of men that are removed from society by the legal system, aren't carrying anything on or anyone on their backs. This is true now more than ever. At least a century ago they could age into gainful manual labor employment. In an information age service economy, an 80 IQ former thug with low work ethic and a chip on his shoulder isn't qualified to make minimum wage.

    Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can't think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @yaqub the mad scientist

    , @AnAnon
    @Drake

    "Family is more fundamental than law or justice." - which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anon

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wake up. It’s still a few decades too early to “gentrify” Baltimore, Memphis, St Louis etc. The cycle is not complete in these locations and gentrifiers will continue to take big losses.

    They have been attempting to gentrify Baltimore for thirty years starting with the downtown core. Talk about a House of Pain.

    You need a genuine mega trend to turn the tide in these hellholes. SanFran embraced tech and put the city on a new trajectory.

    In lieu of an external mega trend there is the internal destructive trend. But it takes generations. In Detroit the cycle is almost complete. It’s probably only 10 years away from total implosion and rebirth as a largely non-black successful community.

  9. @WhatEvvs
    Via German Joys:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1889952

    Contrary to common perceptions, today both property and violent crimes (with the exception of homicides) are more widespread in Europe than in the United States, while the opposite was true thirty years ago.

     

    Not to worry, #blacklivesmatter will reverse the reversal.

    Replies: @Guy, @Simon in London

    Not if the infidel refugees in Europe have anything to say about it.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    @Guy

    Oh, you mean a thug arms-race? Maybe ur right.

  10. “Tarantino joins activists to protest police brutality in NY ”

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_SHOOTINGS_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-24-17-43-54

    NEW YORK (AP) — Academy Award-winning filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has joined hundreds of people rallying and marching through the streets of New York City to protest police brutality….

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Evocatus, @SFG

  11. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    I should mention that what I said above only applies when there are extremely high levels of crime, to the point where you would be imprisoning 20-30% of the men in a city. Which is when family formation starts being deeply disrupted.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Drake

    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

    Replies: @Ed, @anonymous

  12. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    The alternate solution is to liberalize gun laws and self-defense laws. Let the community sort itself out.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    @Dave Pinsen

    +1, I agree. Let's also add some parents who take their responsabilities to take care of their kids and using desesperate measures in desesperate situations like the "Baltimore mom".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlmCf1Kj2o

    , @Big Bill
    @Dave Pinsen

    Letting the community "sort things out" has been proceeding apace in Detroit.

    For the last few years the "justifiable homicide" rate has been climbing fast.

    Since the police may take an hour or more to arrive on the scene, regular everyday black folks have been shooting back ... and have not been charged.

    Detroit is still too racist for white folks to use self-help, but it is salutary that black folks are doing so.

    Replies: @Anonymo1

  13. I’ve been watching The Wire since I never saw it when it originally aired. The Major who created the Red-Light District in a sparsely populated part of West Baltimore had a good idea, but it doesn’t seem like Red-Light Districts gained any traction in policy debates. It’s either full on legalization or criminalization with the policy wonks.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Jason Roberts

    Uh, "Red Light District" is not what was created in "The Wire." "Red Light District" means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in "The Wire" was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas, which then benefited by the subsequent reduction in street-corner drug dealing and associated violence. BTW the white mayor of Baltimore who goes on to become governor was clearly patterned after Martin O'Malley, even though the fictional one on "The Wire" was Italian-American, rather than Irish-American. Great series. Great writing (established crime fiction writers such as Richard Price, George Pellacanos, Dennis Lehane) and great acting. My favorite TV series (better than "The Sopranos" imo).

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

  14. toxic collisions of race and policing

    Remember that toxic collision of policing and the Dillinger gang?

    I guess when you sympathize with criminals, policing is always going to strike you as toxic.

    • Replies: @HLMunchkin
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah. John should have been given a chance to 'Age Out'.

  15. @Drake
    @Drake

    I should mention that what I said above only applies when there are extremely high levels of crime, to the point where you would be imprisoning 20-30% of the men in a city. Which is when family formation starts being deeply disrupted.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Harry Baldwin

    Not much contrary to popular belief the black underclass didn't pick up their ways in Northern cities. Ghetto life didn't destroy their families, neither did liberal welfare policies.

    They were living this way in shacks in the Deep South. Evidently the black underclass is primarily descended from the lowest of the low in the black community. Kind of like the untouchables.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    , @anonymous
    @Harry Baldwin


    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

     

    Not much these days. That commenter must be delusional. The black males getting locked up are just biological baby daddies and aren't involved in any sort of "family formation". They're not getting locked up for nothing or for merely wearing saggy pants; they're living a criminal lifestyle.
  16. Why are no journalists getting interviews with “Black Lives Matter” leader George Soros?

    Normally, when a large group of people shut down the Hollywood freeway, or shut down a community leadership group headed by the Mayor of the City of Los Angeles, a local journalist would seek an interview with the leader of this group, to get a better understanding of his intentions. Yet, as far as I can tell, George Soros is nowhere to be found. He’s invested over $9 million dollars to fly these activists around the country to demonstrate. You’d think he’d want a share of the credit of what his demonstrations have wrought?

    He’s one of the most effective leader of black politics since Al Sharpton. I couldn’t see Al Sharpton avoiding the press. Why is Mr. Soros so shy? Why is the LA and NY Times so shy about getting an interview with him to find out where he’s taking his black constituency next?

    I’ve always noted that american blacks have been thirsty for leadership since the death of Dr. Martin Luthur King, and now we have this new leader for the black civil rights movement, who doesn’t seem to want any of the limelight. Can’t the LA or NY Times at least find out why he’s so shy? Just seems strange in this internet age that reporters are so reticent to take the chance of possibly violating Mr. Soros’ privacy. I know they mean well, but they can at least keep the reader abreast of when he might decide to take the stage.

    I, for one, am interested in what Mr. Soros has to say!

  17. Pat Casey says:

    For time out of mind I have been imploring Steve to watch and maybe binge on The Wire. Plenty of important things revolve around what’s good or bad for the departments “clearance rate.” Plus, the guy who keeps the clearance rate ever in mind is the most likable fatso in the history of TV. BTW, I remember a while back some commenter belittling the show for depicting drug dealing thugs as micro-economists keen to gauge which way the market is going. Well that was the comment that made me decide to watch the series, and as it turns out, that was quite bogus to impute to a show which does not make the black gangsters out to be any smarter than they generally are, and rather does a top-notch job depicting how simple-minded men are occasionally effective.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Pat Casey

    The show is basically a 60-hour demonstration of Conquest's Third Law.

    Also, it would be pretty timely to watch it right now because the character of Mayor Tommy Carcetti is partly based on Martin O'Malley.

  18. @Anonymous
    "Tarantino joins activists to protest police brutality in NY "

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_SHOOTINGS_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-24-17-43-54

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Academy Award-winning filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has joined hundreds of people rallying and marching through the streets of New York City to protest police brutality....

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    @Harry Baldwin

    Agree with that. Hollywood has pinched off some stinky loaves, but Tarantino is among the stinkiest.

    , @Evocatus
    @Harry Baldwin

    I always thought there was something wrong with him mentally. Plus he bears a remarkable physical resemblance to the Emperor Caligula.

    http://a3.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE5NTU2MzE2Mzg0MTY3NDM1.jpg

    http://www.digitalsculpture.org/papers/pollini/pollini%20assets/Color/Pl.%206.jpg

    , @SFG
    @Harry Baldwin

    He makes violence sexy and funny in a way completely untethered from any sort of morality. When Tony Montana killed people in Scarface, it was emblematic of his moral corruption. In a Tarantino movie, killings are played for laughs.


    ...but protesting police brutality? That's generic Hollywood liberal BS. It's like saying Stalin disgusts you because of his mustache.

  19. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Guy
    @WhatEvvs

    Not if the infidel refugees in Europe have anything to say about it.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

    Oh, you mean a thug arms-race? Maybe ur right.

  20. The wages of Dems being the Black Party. Idaho looks good now.

  21. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Any place that has a sizable black population always has a cloud of uncertainty hanging over it. All it takes is one unexpected police encounter with some black youth that goes south and the entire place can get Fergusoned. Even when the police can keep an invisible cordon around the white areas it’s the still white areas that have to pay the taxes for the damage the miscreants inflict on each other. When the proactive policing ends then there goes the balancing act. One can never predict if or when such an incident will occur and there goes whatever one has put into their home. It’s actually a very simple formula: blacks=trouble; the further away one lives from trouble the better off they are.

  22. It’s getting kind of hard to take any of this very seriously. It seems like there are some fairly obvious solutions to some of these problems, but the media and Progressives seem to want to insist that we keep going around in circles with all of these issues.

  23. @Pat Casey
    For time out of mind I have been imploring Steve to watch and maybe binge on The Wire. Plenty of important things revolve around what's good or bad for the departments "clearance rate." Plus, the guy who keeps the clearance rate ever in mind is the most likable fatso in the history of TV. BTW, I remember a while back some commenter belittling the show for depicting drug dealing thugs as micro-economists keen to gauge which way the market is going. Well that was the comment that made me decide to watch the series, and as it turns out, that was quite bogus to impute to a show which does not make the black gangsters out to be any smarter than they generally are, and rather does a top-notch job depicting how simple-minded men are occasionally effective.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    The show is basically a 60-hour demonstration of Conquest’s Third Law.

    Also, it would be pretty timely to watch it right now because the character of Mayor Tommy Carcetti is partly based on Martin O’Malley.

  24. @eah
    Struggles to Heal

    I don't think a "police encounter" -- "deadly" or not -- is the reason Baltimore might be 'struggling to heal'. And yes, I can just see those hardcore underclass ghetto Blacks in Baltimore using their Obamaphones to comfort each other in their 'struggle to heal'. The NYT is so infantile.

    Replies: @backup

    It is all part of code speak. Take for instance this:

    it has also been a reminder that black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo.

    What an utterly clever way to say that blacks always have trouble with the law and still manage to sound like you are on the side of the Black Lives Matter narrative.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @backup

    A gem in multiple ways:

    a reminder that [it] is not a guarantee that government can manage...

    We've been told endlessly to put gov't in charge to fix things; now that it doesn't, we are told that there are no guarantees.

    any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo.

    Oh good grief. As if White leadership was ever in evidence; as if there was any freedom to choose policy other than the mandated "save the Inuit" fare.

    And the highlighted passage, implying that there is some type of policing that will satisfy our trained agitators. Priceless.

  25. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy.

    Not only that, decent people will start to move out. Nobody chooses to raise daughters in places which basically trivialises rape. Look at the flight out of the cities in the sixties. So Coates recipe is actually a recipe for ghettofication.

  26. @Harry Baldwin
    toxic collisions of race and policing

    Remember that toxic collision of policing and the Dillinger gang?

    I guess when you sympathize with criminals, policing is always going to strike you as toxic.

    Replies: @HLMunchkin

    Yeah. John should have been given a chance to ‘Age Out’.

  27. anon • Disclaimer says:

    “I know! Because racism.”

    Steve, you have got to wean yourself off of that damn “Because XYZ” expression!

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    Now it’s merely a banal and unoriginal filler that is primarily used by Lumpenintelligentsia types and Daily Show watchers.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @anon

    Agreed. Plus there's a bunch of queers on Twitter that use the expression. It's become the "umm..." Of 2015.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @G Pinfold
    @anon

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    WTF. OMG. Wow, just wow... /faceapalm. Cite please.

    By all means use with irony until they rue.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  28. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    You’re assuming stable, two parent families as traditionally formed by whites are also the natural condition for blacks. They’re not. It’s the difference between r and K reproduction modes. Blacks have higher fertility, but shorter and more violent lives. Fathers staying with one woman and helping raise fewer children with higher investment in each child is not part of black nature.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Emblematic

    Black culture has been matriarchal, matrimonial, and polygamous for thousands of years. Women hoe the crops and take care of the children. Men hang out, drink and tell tall tales.

    Only under the relentless preaching, moralizing and civilized culture of whites (up until 50 years ago) were blacks shamed into monogamy and male-supported families. With welfare and the refusal of whites to keep haranguing blacks into "acting white they have reverted to their traditional patterns.

    They have no reason to change and stop following their genetics. Nor will they as long as they are supported on welfare.

  29. @Jason Roberts
    I've been watching The Wire since I never saw it when it originally aired. The Major who created the Red-Light District in a sparsely populated part of West Baltimore had a good idea, but it doesn't seem like Red-Light Districts gained any traction in policy debates. It's either full on legalization or criminalization with the policy wonks.

    Replies: @tbraton

    Uh, “Red Light District” is not what was created in “The Wire.” “Red Light District” means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in “The Wire” was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas, which then benefited by the subsequent reduction in street-corner drug dealing and associated violence. BTW the white mayor of Baltimore who goes on to become governor was clearly patterned after Martin O’Malley, even though the fictional one on “The Wire” was Italian-American, rather than Irish-American. Great series. Great writing (established crime fiction writers such as Richard Price, George Pellacanos, Dennis Lehane) and great acting. My favorite TV series (better than “The Sopranos” imo).

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @tbraton


    Uh, “Red Light District” is not what was created in “The Wire.” “Red Light District” means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in “The Wire” was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas
     
    Hamsterdam.

    Replies: @tbraton

  30. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    > This is the wisdom implicit in “boys will by boys”: that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back… Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    This isn’t reactionary in the slightest. Post-Medieval Western Civilization was built on the eugenic sieve of mass executions of criminal men. Europe failed to surpass other areas of the globe until strong states emerged and cracked down hard on would-be rogues and vagabonds. Populations were pacified and made fit for the eventual coming of industrial capitalism by removing low quality from the gene pool with extreme prejudice.

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs. The mythology of the anti-authoritarian Arabian adventurer lives on in the spirit of ISIS. We see just how well that approach works. The bottom decile of men that are removed from society by the legal system, aren’t carrying anything on or anyone on their backs. This is true now more than ever. At least a century ago they could age into gainful manual labor employment. In an information age service economy, an 80 IQ former thug with low work ethic and a chip on his shoulder isn’t qualified to make minimum wage.

    Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can’t think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history.

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    @Doug

    "Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can’t think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history."

    Perhaps this is because it was easy then for men to get married and women were happy to support them fully so that as a result the men were able to devote themselves completely to work.

    As a result: A tight and devoted work ethic led to rapid progress in the economy.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Doug

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs.

    ...which forms a kind of leitmotif that was popular with WS Burroughs-influenced cyberpunkish writers in their alt-Interzone worlds. Marauding Arab adventurers represent a kind of default state of nature that fills in the vacuum that failed and decayed states leave. Hint to feminists: "the State", at least in its Western sense, is the setting where women's rights evolved. All evidence shows that stateless/state-of-nature scenarios become tribal patriarchies.

  31. The issue with Baltimore is that it never really gentrified, racially. Fells Point & Canton were white working class areas never black. So black neighborhoods that border these elements stayed pretty much in tack although the projects near Fells Point & Little Italy were demolished. The projects still remain but in a low rise, garden type setting.

    As for Canton blacks reside north of Patterson Park close to Hopkins and regularly come south assaulting & mugging hapless hipsters. There was one locally infamous death where a young man was killed after being punch. His wife an Asian became a crime advocate. A Sun reporter was severely injured during a mugging and two teenagers broke into a home and killed a woman.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Ed

    His wife an Asian became a crime advocate.

    I'm not sure what a crime advocate is. Someone like Marilyn Mosby or George Soros?

  32. The only solution is to give ‘black self-government’ to Baltimore, with a black run Baltimore city council having full and total powers of its police, judiciary and penal policy.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    When I extrapolate the trend of increasing dysfunction correlating almost perfectly with increasing Negro dominance of city government, I think you may be right. A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins. This process has played out across the country, e.g., Boston's South End, NYC's South Bronx, Detroit, etc..

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Yak-15

  33. @Harry Baldwin
    @Drake

    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

    Replies: @Ed, @anonymous

    Not much contrary to popular belief the black underclass didn’t pick up their ways in Northern cities. Ghetto life didn’t destroy their families, neither did liberal welfare policies.

    They were living this way in shacks in the Deep South. Evidently the black underclass is primarily descended from the lowest of the low in the black community. Kind of like the untouchables.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Ed

    The saddest part of reading this was the realization of how far the Atlantic has fallen since 1986. Once upon a time the magazine's articles were reality-based.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

  34. 270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that’s only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That’s apocalyptic. I really don’t think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they’d be fairly disgusted.

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Rick Johnsmeyer

    That's a murder rate of over 40 per 100,000 for Bltimore. That's a South African level of murder rate.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    , @AndrewR
    @Rick Johnsmeyer

    Baltimore's population is much different than Vancouver's. The vast majority of those 270 are blacks killed by other blacks. Of course the anticop agitators and rioters knew this. Blacks really don't like or care about other blacks.

    , @Another Canadian
    @Rick Johnsmeyer


    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding.
     
    It's difficult for many foreigners and even some Americans to comprehend, but the United States is actually a large third-world country embedded in a somewhat larger first-world country. Chicago, for example, has a history of tourist victimisation on Rush Street, when club goers wandered off the beaten path and became easy targets for the denizens of Cabrini Green. A few years ago two drunken British tourists were murdered in Sarasota, Florida because they didn't realise there was more to Sarasota than St. Armands Circle. Be careful out there.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    , @Perspective
    @Rick Johnsmeyer

    Vancouver's crime rate is actually higher than what one would expect given its demographics. I suppose its mild climate, by Canadian standards, is a blessing and a curse. It means a lot of undesirables are attracted to it from elsewhere in the country. But, yes, you are right. 270 murders is apocalyptic and mind boggling for a city that size. Baltimore is an example of a place, that others on here have coined, made nice because of a heavy police presence. Once this police protection bubble bursts, it quickly reverts back to its early-mid 90s state. We now have grim evidence that part of the drop in violent crime starting in the early 90s, was the result of an increased police presence and police given additional authority.

    , @WhatEvvs
    @Rick Johnsmeyer


    270 murders in an d̶e̶v̶e̶l̶o̶p̶e̶d̶-̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶ American city dominated by black slums and their enabling politicians of 620,000 is a̶b̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶u̶m̶b̶f̶o̶u̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶. routine. By way of comparison, that’s only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).
     
    , @anon
    @Rick Johnsmeyer


    Because if they did, they’d be fairly disgusted.
     
    Why disgusted? Everyone knows what the problem is but it can't be solved because the media won't allow anyone to tell the truth.
    , @Patton
    @Rick Johnsmeyer

    I find it mildly fascinating that you don't think many of us find the situation in Baltimore disgusting.

    So I infer a question in your statement, "what are you going to do about it?"

    "Stay far, far away" is likely a common answer.

  35. Martin O’Malley’s Presidential campaign got tarnished by the Baltimore riots and agitation. That’s one good outcome from it. We saw peak Hillary at the Benghazi hearings. O’Malley still has possibilities as Hillary backslides

    • Replies: @countenance
    @Clyde

    Jay Nixon was considering running for President, but Ferguson ruined him. Though it's not as if he would have gone anywhere even without it.

  36. @WhatEvvs
    Via German Joys:

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1889952

    Contrary to common perceptions, today both property and violent crimes (with the exception of homicides) are more widespread in Europe than in the United States, while the opposite was true thirty years ago.

     

    Not to worry, #blacklivesmatter will reverse the reversal.

    Replies: @Guy, @Simon in London

    I recall London’s Metropolitan Police claims to have a 90% murder clear-up rate; 95% for attempted murder.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    @Simon in London

    To paraphrase Christine Keeler, "They would say that, wouldn't they?"

    Just joking, homicide is considered the least relevant stat w/respect to public safety, which is why the paper excludes that category. Most murders happen between people who know one another.

    Having said that, my personal take is that there is something uniquely horrifying about homicide and that a high homicide rate contributes to anxiety and lack of trust out of proportion to its numbers. That is certainly true in the US - there is a perception that this country is very dangerous, because of its high homicide rate, when it's not. (And our MSM rigidly represses the truth about the main source of that particular statistic, but everyone knows it's true, so the paradoxical effect is to exaggerate their menace.)

  37. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    That’s a murder rate of over 40 per 100,000 for Bltimore. That’s a South African level of murder rate.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @NickG

    It's actually even higher than South Africa. Much higher. My quick calculation said 32 per 100,000 in South Africa.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

    Replies: @D. K.

  38. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    Baltimore’s population is much different than Vancouver’s. The vast majority of those 270 are blacks killed by other blacks. Of course the anticop agitators and rioters knew this. Blacks really don’t like or care about other blacks.

  39. I had a friend in Baltimore whose home was broken into three times, with no serious investigation by the police. Once, his wife walked in on the intruders, who, thanks be to God, ran out instead of raping and killing her. Among the things stolen were products with GPS that could be tracked. We located the home in which they were being used. The police refused to act. My friend moved his family to a small town across the country shortly thereafter.

  40. @NickG
    @Rick Johnsmeyer

    That's a murder rate of over 40 per 100,000 for Bltimore. That's a South African level of murder rate.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    It’s actually even higher than South Africa. Much higher. My quick calculation said 32 per 100,000 in South Africa.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Fredrik

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-08-where-murder-happens-in-south-africa/?ref=yfp#.Vi0FCJT3arU

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours. I doubt that it would be too difficult to find a Baltimore-esque murder rate, in some similar-sized place in South Africa. Regardless, people in Baltimore have plenty of room to flee to, outside of their city. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    As I mentioned during the riots, I lived in downtown Baltimore for sixteen months, in 2009-2010, at the invitation of an old friend. It was by no means the first time that I had lived in alien (i.e., non-White) surroundings; I grew up in Gary, Indiana, after all, and I later lived in New Orleans, in the early 1980s, the barrio in Tucson, early in this century, and finally amongst both Hispanic immigrants and Black natives, in New Brighton, Staten Island, as well as up in Spanish Harlem, briefly. I am wary, by nature, and living in such places, from a matter of months to a matter of years, has left me far-warier-still. Nowhere, including in my native city, before we moved out, in September 1967, have I ever felt more despised by total strangers, simply for existing in the same public space, than I felt in Baltimore.

    When I lived in New Orleans, with a friend from Purdue, who was teaching at Tulane, he once got so mad at me, while we were out drinking, that he made me walk home, very late at night, on a weekend. I walked through the projects, where I worried whether I would make it back home, at all; but, the worst that I suffered, that dark night, was an unexpected proposition, from one of the female residents. I had great fun in New Orleans, over nine months, yet I absolutely hated living there, and I have never returned for a visit, not even during Mardi Gras.

    In Baltimore, on the other hand, there was never the festive atmosphere, among the native majority, that I often had witnessed in New Orleans. Blacks, even those in business attire, on a workday afternoon, as I walked, say, to and from the Main Post Office, to check for mail, would glare at me, as if I were from a neighboring tribe, invading their territory. I use to take refuge, when I could, in White neighborhoods, like Little Italy, during its annual outdoor film festival, or simply lingering in the Safeway, in Canton, relaxing among its overwhelmingly White shoppers. The Hispanic immigrants that I had to pass through, walking from downtown to Canton, would look at me somewhat apprehensively, as if I were an outsider who represented a threat, but they never made feel at any appreciable risk myself, walking alone and unarmed through their midst.

    The friend who invited me to Baltimore took a job in Houston, in 2010, and still seems to enjoy its amenities, living among its mixed population. He looks back on his many years in Baltimore with seeming regret, aside from his top-rate education at Johns Hopkins. When he speaks of the city itself, now, it is with utter contempt and disgust, mostly aimed at its demographic majority, which makes what once must have been a wonderful blue-collar city-- much like my native Gary, only much larger-- into a living hellhole. Even if its attribution to the Father of Sociology is misplaced, the now common claim is true: "Demography is destiny!"

    Replies: @Bert, @Robert Hume, @Reg Cæsar

  41. @backup
    @eah

    It is all part of code speak. Take for instance this:


    it has also been a reminder that black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo.
     
    What an utterly clever way to say that blacks always have trouble with the law and still manage to sound like you are on the side of the Black Lives Matter narrative.

    Replies: @bomag

    A gem in multiple ways:

    a reminder that [it] is not a guarantee that government can manage…

    We’ve been told endlessly to put gov’t in charge to fix things; now that it doesn’t, we are told that there are no guarantees.

    any better than white leadership has in places like Ferguson, Mo.

    Oh good grief. As if White leadership was ever in evidence; as if there was any freedom to choose policy other than the mandated “save the Inuit” fare.

    And the highlighted passage, implying that there is some type of policing that will satisfy our trained agitators. Priceless.

  42. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding.

    It’s difficult for many foreigners and even some Americans to comprehend, but the United States is actually a large third-world country embedded in a somewhat larger first-world country. Chicago, for example, has a history of tourist victimisation on Rush Street, when club goers wandered off the beaten path and became easy targets for the denizens of Cabrini Green. A few years ago two drunken British tourists were murdered in Sarasota, Florida because they didn’t realise there was more to Sarasota than St. Armands Circle. Be careful out there.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Another Canadian

    Yeah, I try to explain this to fellow Brits, who think the whole world is like Britain or north-west Europe.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  43. I suspect almost all of those 270 murdered are either ghetto blacks or SWPL whites. IOW, what’s not to like?

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Side note about Coates:

    Now that we know the Afghanistan war will continue throughout Obama’s presidency, it’s interesting to look back to mid-December last year at the reactions when he claimed he was ending it and bringing the troops home. Here’s Coates:
    https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/545257097584476160

    This statement was just a day after Obama’s speech at the military base. SlateStats Bouie jumped in on the action, too.

  45. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Evocatus, @SFG

    Agree with that. Hollywood has pinched off some stinky loaves, but Tarantino is among the stinkiest.

  46. @Ed
    The issue with Baltimore is that it never really gentrified, racially. Fells Point & Canton were white working class areas never black. So black neighborhoods that border these elements stayed pretty much in tack although the projects near Fells Point & Little Italy were demolished. The projects still remain but in a low rise, garden type setting.

    As for Canton blacks reside north of Patterson Park close to Hopkins and regularly come south assaulting & mugging hapless hipsters. There was one locally infamous death where a young man was killed after being punch. His wife an Asian became a crime advocate. A Sun reporter was severely injured during a mugging and two teenagers broke into a home and killed a woman.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    His wife an Asian became a crime advocate.

    I’m not sure what a crime advocate is. Someone like Marilyn Mosby or George Soros?

  47. @Dave Pinsen
    @Drake

    The alternate solution is to liberalize gun laws and self-defense laws. Let the community sort itself out.

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Big Bill

    +1, I agree. Let’s also add some parents who take their responsabilities to take care of their kids and using desesperate measures in desesperate situations like the “Baltimore mom”.

  48. What a great comment. So true on many levels. If you choose to live on the edge…

  49. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    Vancouver’s crime rate is actually higher than what one would expect given its demographics. I suppose its mild climate, by Canadian standards, is a blessing and a curse. It means a lot of undesirables are attracted to it from elsewhere in the country. But, yes, you are right. 270 murders is apocalyptic and mind boggling for a city that size. Baltimore is an example of a place, that others on here have coined, made nice because of a heavy police presence. Once this police protection bubble bursts, it quickly reverts back to its early-mid 90s state. We now have grim evidence that part of the drop in violent crime starting in the early 90s, was the result of an increased police presence and police given additional authority.

  50. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    270 murders in an d̶e̶v̶e̶l̶o̶p̶e̶d̶-̶w̶o̶r̶l̶d̶ American city dominated by black slums and their enabling politicians of 620,000 is a̶b̶s̶o̶l̶u̶t̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶u̶m̶b̶f̶o̶u̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶. routine. By way of comparison, that’s only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

  51. @anon
    "I know! Because racism."

    Steve, you have got to wean yourself off of that damn "Because XYZ" expression!

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    Now it's merely a banal and unoriginal filler that is primarily used by Lumpenintelligentsia types and Daily Show watchers.

    Replies: @Danindc, @G Pinfold

    Agreed. Plus there’s a bunch of queers on Twitter that use the expression. It’s become the “umm…” Of 2015.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    I think it's almost always used, here, to mock the vacuous idiots and the ideas they propagate.

  52. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @Drake

    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

    Replies: @Ed, @anonymous

    How much family formation goes on in the black underclass?

    Not much these days. That commenter must be delusional. The black males getting locked up are just biological baby daddies and aren’t involved in any sort of “family formation”. They’re not getting locked up for nothing or for merely wearing saggy pants; they’re living a criminal lifestyle.

  53. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Simon in London
    @WhatEvvs

    I recall London's Metropolitan Police claims to have a 90% murder clear-up rate; 95% for attempted murder.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs

    To paraphrase Christine Keeler, “They would say that, wouldn’t they?”

    Just joking, homicide is considered the least relevant stat w/respect to public safety, which is why the paper excludes that category. Most murders happen between people who know one another.

    Having said that, my personal take is that there is something uniquely horrifying about homicide and that a high homicide rate contributes to anxiety and lack of trust out of proportion to its numbers. That is certainly true in the US – there is a perception that this country is very dangerous, because of its high homicide rate, when it’s not. (And our MSM rigidly represses the truth about the main source of that particular statistic, but everyone knows it’s true, so the paradoxical effect is to exaggerate their menace.)

  54. @Doug
    @Drake

    > This is the wisdom implicit in “boys will by boys”: that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back... Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    This isn't reactionary in the slightest. Post-Medieval Western Civilization was built on the eugenic sieve of mass executions of criminal men. Europe failed to surpass other areas of the globe until strong states emerged and cracked down hard on would-be rogues and vagabonds. Populations were pacified and made fit for the eventual coming of industrial capitalism by removing low quality from the gene pool with extreme prejudice.

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs. The mythology of the anti-authoritarian Arabian adventurer lives on in the spirit of ISIS. We see just how well that approach works. The bottom decile of men that are removed from society by the legal system, aren't carrying anything on or anyone on their backs. This is true now more than ever. At least a century ago they could age into gainful manual labor employment. In an information age service economy, an 80 IQ former thug with low work ethic and a chip on his shoulder isn't qualified to make minimum wage.

    Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can't think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @yaqub the mad scientist

    “Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can’t think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history.”

    Perhaps this is because it was easy then for men to get married and women were happy to support them fully so that as a result the men were able to devote themselves completely to work.

    As a result: A tight and devoted work ethic led to rapid progress in the economy.

  55. Baltimore, LOL. The problem with Baltimore is all the white people there. If the whites would just LEAVE already, Baltimore could settle quietly into Detroit-status, ah-but no-0-0-0.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Academy Award-winning filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has joined hundreds of people rallying and marching through the streets of New York City to protest police brutality…

    Tarantino is America’s most prominent wigger.

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    I think he has a head full of bad wiring.

  56. @asdf
    "One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …"

    Hilarious. In my neck of the woods you can watch the citizen/cop review meetings on channel 8. Resident's in these meetings complain when 3 cop cars come to their area to address a situation.

    Cops are great to blame. Rule of thumb - if you live in an area where cops are not needed - you good. You live in an area where half your community hates cops for the simple reason that they are doing their job - move. Blame gentrification if you need to keep your lib cred up.

    Replies: @President Camacho

    “One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …”

    Sounds like a libertarian paradise.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @President Camacho

    It would be if they were allowed to arm themselves. As it is, it sounds like the usual victim of government malice and incompetance

  57. Why would Democrat politicians like Rawlings Blake welcome gentrification and risk losing their strongholds of power? There’s a perverse phenomenon known as the “Curley effect” where destructive government policies drive out the decent and productive, leaving behind the most wretched who vote Democrat by a landslide.

    http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @President Camacho

    I don't think Curley drove out middle or lower middle class working people; he did drive out a fair number of rich people whose townhouses were then occupied by non-property tax paying non-profit institutions. I consider that a bug, not a feature; however, I've seen Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, and Detroit, not to mention living in Chicago for many years, and Boston seems to have the best atmosphere, followed by DC and then NYC. (All three have obvious advantages.) I don't think Curley did as much damage as many other machine mayors. Why this "effect" is named after him I don't know, except he was in the same metropolis as Harvard and he was CAUGHT committing crimes and sentenced to prison. Also, he was a bigoted demagogue and didn't have the race card as an excuse.

  58. “… black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing…”

    Once again, NYT copy editors miss an obvious misplacement of a word. I’ve fixed it below:

    “… black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is a guarantee that government can not manage toxic collisions of race and policing…”

    Actually, even this is incorrect and would be more accurate and concise if re-written as:

    … black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is a guarantee that government can not manage anything…”

  59. @Anonymous
    The only solution is to give 'black self-government' to Baltimore, with a black run Baltimore city council having full and total powers of its police, judiciary and penal policy.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    When I extrapolate the trend of increasing dysfunction correlating almost perfectly with increasing Negro dominance of city government, I think you may be right. A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins. This process has played out across the country, e.g., Boston’s South End, NYC’s South Bronx, Detroit, etc..

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins.
     
    But its former inhabitants will ruin every place they move to.
    , @Yak-15
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The south Bronx is still very dangerous (other than perpetually wealthy and closed off Riverdale). The south Bronx is also not very white, rather, it's Dominican and Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  60. @Clyde
    Martin O'Malley's Presidential campaign got tarnished by the Baltimore riots and agitation. That's one good outcome from it. We saw peak Hillary at the Benghazi hearings. O'Malley still has possibilities as Hillary backslides

    Replies: @countenance

    Jay Nixon was considering running for President, but Ferguson ruined him. Though it’s not as if he would have gone anywhere even without it.

  61. I think the better explanation for the increased black crime waves that happen a few years after black riots is black exuberance after their victory riots more than police hesitance. Even without police hesitance, most black violent crime is the kind where even the most proactive cops can’t prevent or deter.

  62. This is as good of a place as any to float a theory I came up with a few days ago.

    To set it up, you’ll have to read VDH’s latest:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425885/california-high-taxes-immigration-democrats

    Before I get to my theory, I’ll note that Victor Davis Hanson strikes me as someone who is stuck in a political no man’s land, somewhere between straight cuckservatism and soft nationalism. This is why his writings about his native and home state are such a maddening mix of hints of truth and utter bullshit.

    Now to my theory.

    No, California is not going to become Detroit. This is what happens when people misdiagnose problems. Detroit isn’t Detroity because of one party political rule and liberalism. Detroit became Detroit because it’s a bell curve city, full of blacks and run by blacks. If anything, the black population of California is declining in both terms of percentage and raw numbers, and the few that remain are quickly being shipped out of their heretofore ghettos in Oakland, Los Angeles and elsewhere. Both are crucial factors, because if you’re going to have blacks, if you can keep them detached and spread out, this severely hurts their race-based political power. Because they are not tightly ghettoized and geographically compartmentalized, their networks of churches and preachers cannot materialize. And, as we all know, black preachers are the big chiefs in black political life. This may be one of the reasons why the Democrat Party wants to do AFFH, to spread out blacks in order to weaken real black political power, so that one day, the Democrat Party won’t need to be the black party, and can leave behind all the political problems that they currently face from being the black party. Sure, wherever blacks are scattered, they’ll still vote Democrat almost 100%, but that will be the extent of their contribution to the party. No black preachers to hang around Democrat functions.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @countenance

    "Sure, wherever blacks are scattered, they’ll still vote Democrat almost 100%," - all 5% of them that bother to vote, if that. the democrat party needs them concentrated and organized, as we saw in Illinois n 2014.

  63. @Ed
    @Harry Baldwin

    Not much contrary to popular belief the black underclass didn't pick up their ways in Northern cities. Ghetto life didn't destroy their families, neither did liberal welfare policies.

    They were living this way in shacks in the Deep South. Evidently the black underclass is primarily descended from the lowest of the low in the black community. Kind of like the untouchables.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    The saddest part of reading this was the realization of how far the Atlantic has fallen since 1986. Once upon a time the magazine’s articles were reality-based.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I can think of no magazine that has fallen further than the Atlantic.

  64. The NYT is bothered by ‘The Disproportionate Risk of Driving While Black’ in Greensboro, NC. I did not read the article. It must be a very important problem, though, if the NYT went to the trouble of looking into it.

  65. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It is a miserable existence being black. Drugs help sooth the pain and misery. Whites owe blacks a debt that blacks demand to be repaid. Pay blacks back by giving blacks and exclusive legal concession to sell, us and deal drugs, just like the Indians were given casino gambling rights. Blacks will have a great opportunity to improve themselves economically or kill themselves with drug overdoses. Freedom and opportunity for all, it is the American way.

  66. @Dave Pinsen
    @Drake

    The alternate solution is to liberalize gun laws and self-defense laws. Let the community sort itself out.

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Big Bill

    Letting the community “sort things out” has been proceeding apace in Detroit.

    For the last few years the “justifiable homicide” rate has been climbing fast.

    Since the police may take an hour or more to arrive on the scene, regular everyday black folks have been shooting back … and have not been charged.

    Detroit is still too racist for white folks to use self-help, but it is salutary that black folks are doing so.

    • Replies: @Anonymo1
    @Big Bill

    How do you know what % of the justifiables are done by "regular blacks?" intuitively I'd say the majority of the justifiables are done by criminals to other criminals.

  67. @Emblematic
    @Drake

    You're assuming stable, two parent families as traditionally formed by whites are also the natural condition for blacks. They're not. It's the difference between r and K reproduction modes. Blacks have higher fertility, but shorter and more violent lives. Fathers staying with one woman and helping raise fewer children with higher investment in each child is not part of black nature.

    Replies: @Big Bill

    Black culture has been matriarchal, matrimonial, and polygamous for thousands of years. Women hoe the crops and take care of the children. Men hang out, drink and tell tall tales.

    Only under the relentless preaching, moralizing and civilized culture of whites (up until 50 years ago) were blacks shamed into monogamy and male-supported families. With welfare and the refusal of whites to keep haranguing blacks into “acting white they have reverted to their traditional patterns.

    They have no reason to change and stop following their genetics. Nor will they as long as they are supported on welfare.

  68. @Fredrik
    @NickG

    It's actually even higher than South Africa. Much higher. My quick calculation said 32 per 100,000 in South Africa.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

    Replies: @D. K.

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-08-where-murder-happens-in-south-africa/?ref=yfp#.Vi0FCJT3arU

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours. I doubt that it would be too difficult to find a Baltimore-esque murder rate, in some similar-sized place in South Africa. Regardless, people in Baltimore have plenty of room to flee to, outside of their city. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    As I mentioned during the riots, I lived in downtown Baltimore for sixteen months, in 2009-2010, at the invitation of an old friend. It was by no means the first time that I had lived in alien (i.e., non-White) surroundings; I grew up in Gary, Indiana, after all, and I later lived in New Orleans, in the early 1980s, the barrio in Tucson, early in this century, and finally amongst both Hispanic immigrants and Black natives, in New Brighton, Staten Island, as well as up in Spanish Harlem, briefly. I am wary, by nature, and living in such places, from a matter of months to a matter of years, has left me far-warier-still. Nowhere, including in my native city, before we moved out, in September 1967, have I ever felt more despised by total strangers, simply for existing in the same public space, than I felt in Baltimore.

    When I lived in New Orleans, with a friend from Purdue, who was teaching at Tulane, he once got so mad at me, while we were out drinking, that he made me walk home, very late at night, on a weekend. I walked through the projects, where I worried whether I would make it back home, at all; but, the worst that I suffered, that dark night, was an unexpected proposition, from one of the female residents. I had great fun in New Orleans, over nine months, yet I absolutely hated living there, and I have never returned for a visit, not even during Mardi Gras.

    In Baltimore, on the other hand, there was never the festive atmosphere, among the native majority, that I often had witnessed in New Orleans. Blacks, even those in business attire, on a workday afternoon, as I walked, say, to and from the Main Post Office, to check for mail, would glare at me, as if I were from a neighboring tribe, invading their territory. I use to take refuge, when I could, in White neighborhoods, like Little Italy, during its annual outdoor film festival, or simply lingering in the Safeway, in Canton, relaxing among its overwhelmingly White shoppers. The Hispanic immigrants that I had to pass through, walking from downtown to Canton, would look at me somewhat apprehensively, as if I were an outsider who represented a threat, but they never made feel at any appreciable risk myself, walking alone and unarmed through their midst.

    The friend who invited me to Baltimore took a job in Houston, in 2010, and still seems to enjoy its amenities, living among its mixed population. He looks back on his many years in Baltimore with seeming regret, aside from his top-rate education at Johns Hopkins. When he speaks of the city itself, now, it is with utter contempt and disgust, mostly aimed at its demographic majority, which makes what once must have been a wonderful blue-collar city– much like my native Gary, only much larger– into a living hellhole. Even if its attribution to the Father of Sociology is misplaced, the now common claim is true: “Demography is destiny!”

    • Replies: @Bert
    @D. K.

    Okay, first of all: tl:dr. If you want people to take you seriously don't post huge walls of texts.

    Second, what the hell did you expect? Baltimore isn't a festive city with any kind of carnival tradition. No place in the Northeast is like that. Baltimore is a decaying industrial city that at one point had a purpose as the center of the steel industry but has long since lost any reason to exist. Same could be said for Detroit and Saint Louis, honestly.

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @Robert Hume
    @D. K.

    Once Baltimore must've been a great white working man's town, though not for everyone.
    http://youtu.be/8V4NoboSq6w

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Former Darfur

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @D. K.


    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours.
     
    Brazil and Russia also have a higher number of murders than the US. In fact, we come close to the combined population of the three countries.
  69. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Evocatus, @SFG

    I always thought there was something wrong with him mentally. Plus he bears a remarkable physical resemblance to the Emperor Caligula.

  70. @D. K.
    @Fredrik

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-08-where-murder-happens-in-south-africa/?ref=yfp#.Vi0FCJT3arU

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours. I doubt that it would be too difficult to find a Baltimore-esque murder rate, in some similar-sized place in South Africa. Regardless, people in Baltimore have plenty of room to flee to, outside of their city. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    As I mentioned during the riots, I lived in downtown Baltimore for sixteen months, in 2009-2010, at the invitation of an old friend. It was by no means the first time that I had lived in alien (i.e., non-White) surroundings; I grew up in Gary, Indiana, after all, and I later lived in New Orleans, in the early 1980s, the barrio in Tucson, early in this century, and finally amongst both Hispanic immigrants and Black natives, in New Brighton, Staten Island, as well as up in Spanish Harlem, briefly. I am wary, by nature, and living in such places, from a matter of months to a matter of years, has left me far-warier-still. Nowhere, including in my native city, before we moved out, in September 1967, have I ever felt more despised by total strangers, simply for existing in the same public space, than I felt in Baltimore.

    When I lived in New Orleans, with a friend from Purdue, who was teaching at Tulane, he once got so mad at me, while we were out drinking, that he made me walk home, very late at night, on a weekend. I walked through the projects, where I worried whether I would make it back home, at all; but, the worst that I suffered, that dark night, was an unexpected proposition, from one of the female residents. I had great fun in New Orleans, over nine months, yet I absolutely hated living there, and I have never returned for a visit, not even during Mardi Gras.

    In Baltimore, on the other hand, there was never the festive atmosphere, among the native majority, that I often had witnessed in New Orleans. Blacks, even those in business attire, on a workday afternoon, as I walked, say, to and from the Main Post Office, to check for mail, would glare at me, as if I were from a neighboring tribe, invading their territory. I use to take refuge, when I could, in White neighborhoods, like Little Italy, during its annual outdoor film festival, or simply lingering in the Safeway, in Canton, relaxing among its overwhelmingly White shoppers. The Hispanic immigrants that I had to pass through, walking from downtown to Canton, would look at me somewhat apprehensively, as if I were an outsider who represented a threat, but they never made feel at any appreciable risk myself, walking alone and unarmed through their midst.

    The friend who invited me to Baltimore took a job in Houston, in 2010, and still seems to enjoy its amenities, living among its mixed population. He looks back on his many years in Baltimore with seeming regret, aside from his top-rate education at Johns Hopkins. When he speaks of the city itself, now, it is with utter contempt and disgust, mostly aimed at its demographic majority, which makes what once must have been a wonderful blue-collar city-- much like my native Gary, only much larger-- into a living hellhole. Even if its attribution to the Father of Sociology is misplaced, the now common claim is true: "Demography is destiny!"

    Replies: @Bert, @Robert Hume, @Reg Cæsar

    Okay, first of all: tl:dr. If you want people to take you seriously don’t post huge walls of texts.

    Second, what the hell did you expect? Baltimore isn’t a festive city with any kind of carnival tradition. No place in the Northeast is like that. Baltimore is a decaying industrial city that at one point had a purpose as the center of the steel industry but has long since lost any reason to exist. Same could be said for Detroit and Saint Louis, honestly.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Bert

    FoaD!

    [Was that short enough for your attention span, Bertie?]

  71. The homocide rate actually looks impressively low compared to the shooting rate. It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors. Does anyone know if that is in fact the case? For example in other US cities or in South Africa, what is the ratio of deaths by shooting to shootings?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Cwhatfuture

    "It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors."

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @D. K., @SFG, @Percy Gryce

  72. @Cwhatfuture
    The homocide rate actually looks impressively low compared to the shooting rate. It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors. Does anyone know if that is in fact the case? For example in other US cities or in South Africa, what is the ratio of deaths by shooting to shootings?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors.”

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Steve Sailer

    A genius family member went to med school there. He said you would see the same people in the ER over and over. He was very glad to leave.

    The story of US colleges located in previous white centers of influence and culture now located in ghettoes--so they have to create their own police forces--is ridiculously under-remarked. But that's life in modern America where you can't even ask certain questions.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that the University of Maryland Medical Center, where my aforementioned friend used to work, is where the bulk of such cases get taken. It is bordered by S. Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., making it closer to the action in West Baltimore, and it is much more convenient for transporting the bodies from the hospital to the morgue!

    Replies: @Ed

    , @SFG
    @Steve Sailer

    University of Maryland, which gets more of the trauma cases, is apparently one of the top trauma centers in the country.

    But, yes, extremely good doctors. You can look to the very high injuries-to-deaths ratio in the Boston bombings for another example.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Percy Gryce
    @Steve Sailer

    Shock Trauma:

    http://umm.edu/programs/shock-trauma

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Cwhatfuture

    "It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors."

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @D. K., @SFG, @Percy Gryce

    A genius family member went to med school there. He said you would see the same people in the ER over and over. He was very glad to leave.

    The story of US colleges located in previous white centers of influence and culture now located in ghettoes–so they have to create their own police forces–is ridiculously under-remarked. But that’s life in modern America where you can’t even ask certain questions.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Ivy
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Univ of Chicago used the police force as one of their selling points. Their quote was "second largest police force in Illinois, after the State Police". How reassuring. My friends from there all had stories about getting mugged on buses or leaving the library, similar to how USC students would talk about losing a bicycle to the neighborhood during their undergrad years.

  74. @Bert
    @D. K.

    Okay, first of all: tl:dr. If you want people to take you seriously don't post huge walls of texts.

    Second, what the hell did you expect? Baltimore isn't a festive city with any kind of carnival tradition. No place in the Northeast is like that. Baltimore is a decaying industrial city that at one point had a purpose as the center of the steel industry but has long since lost any reason to exist. Same could be said for Detroit and Saint Louis, honestly.

    Replies: @D. K.

    FoaD!

    [Was that short enough for your attention span, Bertie?]

    • Agree: AndrewR
  75. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    When I extrapolate the trend of increasing dysfunction correlating almost perfectly with increasing Negro dominance of city government, I think you may be right. A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins. This process has played out across the country, e.g., Boston's South End, NYC's South Bronx, Detroit, etc..

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Yak-15

    A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins.

    But its former inhabitants will ruin every place they move to.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    @Cwhatfuture

    "It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors."

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @D. K., @SFG, @Percy Gryce

    I think that the University of Maryland Medical Center, where my aforementioned friend used to work, is where the bulk of such cases get taken. It is bordered by S. Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., making it closer to the action in West Baltimore, and it is much more convenient for transporting the bodies from the hospital to the morgue!

    • Replies: @Ed
    @D. K.

    Yeah I suspect UMMS takes the bulk of gun shot victims in the city. It's on the West side which is where much of the city's violence is located.

  77. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Tarantino has always struck me as a despicable person. This is further evidence.

    Replies: @Jean Cocteausten, @Evocatus, @SFG

    He makes violence sexy and funny in a way completely untethered from any sort of morality. When Tony Montana killed people in Scarface, it was emblematic of his moral corruption. In a Tarantino movie, killings are played for laughs.

    …but protesting police brutality? That’s generic Hollywood liberal BS. It’s like saying Stalin disgusts you because of his mustache.

  78. @Danindc
    @anon

    Agreed. Plus there's a bunch of queers on Twitter that use the expression. It's become the "umm..." Of 2015.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I think it’s almost always used, here, to mock the vacuous idiots and the ideas they propagate.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @Cwhatfuture

    "It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors."

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @D. K., @SFG, @Percy Gryce

    University of Maryland, which gets more of the trauma cases, is apparently one of the top trauma centers in the country.

    But, yes, extremely good doctors. You can look to the very high injuries-to-deaths ratio in the Boston bombings for another example.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @SFG

    In Boston, if you get shot, stabbed or blown up, you don't want them to take you to Mass General, often called the best hospital in the world, you want to go to Boston Medical Center, located in the DMZ between the gay, gentrified South End and the jungles of Roxbury.

    Trauma cases from all over New England are flown there for treatment.

    I imagine it's the same in Baltimore; Johns Hopkins gets the glory while UMMC does the dirty work.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  80. @President Camacho
    Why would Democrat politicians like Rawlings Blake welcome gentrification and risk losing their strongholds of power? There's a perverse phenomenon known as the "Curley effect" where destructive government policies drive out the decent and productive, leaving behind the most wretched who vote Democrat by a landslide.

    http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I don’t think Curley drove out middle or lower middle class working people; he did drive out a fair number of rich people whose townhouses were then occupied by non-property tax paying non-profit institutions. I consider that a bug, not a feature; however, I’ve seen Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, and Detroit, not to mention living in Chicago for many years, and Boston seems to have the best atmosphere, followed by DC and then NYC. (All three have obvious advantages.) I don’t think Curley did as much damage as many other machine mayors. Why this “effect” is named after him I don’t know, except he was in the same metropolis as Harvard and he was CAUGHT committing crimes and sentenced to prison. Also, he was a bigoted demagogue and didn’t have the race card as an excuse.

  81. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    Why can’t they just go to Germany or Norway and apply for asylum like the Arabs and Africans do? Failing that they can just pretend to be tourists to get in the door in the USA and then do some kind of H1-b work. Surely there is some company that desperately needs an Afrikaans speaking guy to do some kind of work at half the rate of an American worker. Why can’t South African whites to to Canada, Australia or some other commonwealth country?

  82. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder how many people the NYT accidentally killed with their racial incitement?

    Separately the ratio of shootings to homicides (yeah i know not all homicides etc but still). I wonder what it was in the 60s. Could be a way of getting a rough idea of the number of homicides there would be now without medical advances?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @anon

    "Could be a way of getting a rough idea of the number of homicides there would be now without medical advances?"



    "Murder rates would be up to five times higher than they are but for medical developments over the past 40 years."


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124155/

    "Crime experts who attribute the drop in killings to better policing or an aging population fail to square the image of a more tranquil nation with this statistic: The reported number of people treated for gunshot attacks from 2001 to 2011 has grown by nearly half. "Did everybody become a lousy shot all of a sudden? No," said Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, a union that represents about 330,000 officers. "The potential for a victim to survive a wound is greater than it was 15 years ago." "

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324712504578131360684277812

  83. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    Because if they did, they’d be fairly disgusted.

    Why disgusted? Everyone knows what the problem is but it can’t be solved because the media won’t allow anyone to tell the truth.

  84. @D. K.
    @Fredrik

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-08-where-murder-happens-in-south-africa/?ref=yfp#.Vi0FCJT3arU

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours. I doubt that it would be too difficult to find a Baltimore-esque murder rate, in some similar-sized place in South Africa. Regardless, people in Baltimore have plenty of room to flee to, outside of their city. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    As I mentioned during the riots, I lived in downtown Baltimore for sixteen months, in 2009-2010, at the invitation of an old friend. It was by no means the first time that I had lived in alien (i.e., non-White) surroundings; I grew up in Gary, Indiana, after all, and I later lived in New Orleans, in the early 1980s, the barrio in Tucson, early in this century, and finally amongst both Hispanic immigrants and Black natives, in New Brighton, Staten Island, as well as up in Spanish Harlem, briefly. I am wary, by nature, and living in such places, from a matter of months to a matter of years, has left me far-warier-still. Nowhere, including in my native city, before we moved out, in September 1967, have I ever felt more despised by total strangers, simply for existing in the same public space, than I felt in Baltimore.

    When I lived in New Orleans, with a friend from Purdue, who was teaching at Tulane, he once got so mad at me, while we were out drinking, that he made me walk home, very late at night, on a weekend. I walked through the projects, where I worried whether I would make it back home, at all; but, the worst that I suffered, that dark night, was an unexpected proposition, from one of the female residents. I had great fun in New Orleans, over nine months, yet I absolutely hated living there, and I have never returned for a visit, not even during Mardi Gras.

    In Baltimore, on the other hand, there was never the festive atmosphere, among the native majority, that I often had witnessed in New Orleans. Blacks, even those in business attire, on a workday afternoon, as I walked, say, to and from the Main Post Office, to check for mail, would glare at me, as if I were from a neighboring tribe, invading their territory. I use to take refuge, when I could, in White neighborhoods, like Little Italy, during its annual outdoor film festival, or simply lingering in the Safeway, in Canton, relaxing among its overwhelmingly White shoppers. The Hispanic immigrants that I had to pass through, walking from downtown to Canton, would look at me somewhat apprehensively, as if I were an outsider who represented a threat, but they never made feel at any appreciable risk myself, walking alone and unarmed through their midst.

    The friend who invited me to Baltimore took a job in Houston, in 2010, and still seems to enjoy its amenities, living among its mixed population. He looks back on his many years in Baltimore with seeming regret, aside from his top-rate education at Johns Hopkins. When he speaks of the city itself, now, it is with utter contempt and disgust, mostly aimed at its demographic majority, which makes what once must have been a wonderful blue-collar city-- much like my native Gary, only much larger-- into a living hellhole. Even if its attribution to the Father of Sociology is misplaced, the now common claim is true: "Demography is destiny!"

    Replies: @Bert, @Robert Hume, @Reg Cæsar

    Once Baltimore must’ve been a great white working man’s town, though not for everyone.
    http://youtu.be/8V4NoboSq6w

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    @Robert Hume

    Another song, I spotted on Youtube is called "Hello Baltimore".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Z3wERnSRw

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @Former Darfur
    @Robert Hume

    Reading John Waters' books gives one a pretty good read on the Baltimore of the JFK/MM era. Even as late as the seventies, Waters' brand of grossness was truly shocking to the locals, whereas in New York it would have gotten little reaction.

  85. @Doug
    @Drake

    > This is the wisdom implicit in “boys will by boys”: that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back... Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    This isn't reactionary in the slightest. Post-Medieval Western Civilization was built on the eugenic sieve of mass executions of criminal men. Europe failed to surpass other areas of the globe until strong states emerged and cracked down hard on would-be rogues and vagabonds. Populations were pacified and made fit for the eventual coming of industrial capitalism by removing low quality from the gene pool with extreme prejudice.

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs. The mythology of the anti-authoritarian Arabian adventurer lives on in the spirit of ISIS. We see just how well that approach works. The bottom decile of men that are removed from society by the legal system, aren't carrying anything on or anyone on their backs. This is true now more than ever. At least a century ago they could age into gainful manual labor employment. In an information age service economy, an 80 IQ former thug with low work ethic and a chip on his shoulder isn't qualified to make minimum wage.

    Besides, a minor shortage of men has never historically been a serious problem. Many countries following major wars have gender imbalances, but I can't think of a single example where this proved to be a major complication. In fact many of these instances provide this greatest examples of economic miracles in history.

    Replies: @Robert Hume, @yaqub the mad scientist

    The alternative approach, willfully tolerating young male mischief, is best demonstrated by Sunni Arabs.

    …which forms a kind of leitmotif that was popular with WS Burroughs-influenced cyberpunkish writers in their alt-Interzone worlds. Marauding Arab adventurers represent a kind of default state of nature that fills in the vacuum that failed and decayed states leave. Hint to feminists: “the State”, at least in its Western sense, is the setting where women’s rights evolved. All evidence shows that stateless/state-of-nature scenarios become tribal patriarchies.

  86. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Steve Sailer

    A genius family member went to med school there. He said you would see the same people in the ER over and over. He was very glad to leave.

    The story of US colleges located in previous white centers of influence and culture now located in ghettoes--so they have to create their own police forces--is ridiculously under-remarked. But that's life in modern America where you can't even ask certain questions.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Univ of Chicago used the police force as one of their selling points. Their quote was “second largest police force in Illinois, after the State Police”. How reassuring. My friends from there all had stories about getting mugged on buses or leaving the library, similar to how USC students would talk about losing a bicycle to the neighborhood during their undergrad years.

  87. On Memphis… the city just elected a white mayor.

    He ran on – literally – one platform: Getting tough on crime.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Paul Kersey


    On Memphis… the city just elected a white mayor.

    He ran on – literally – one platform: Getting tough on crime.

     

    Literally!
  88. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Ed

    The saddest part of reading this was the realization of how far the Atlantic has fallen since 1986. Once upon a time the magazine's articles were reality-based.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    I can think of no magazine that has fallen further than the Atlantic.

  89. @Robert Hume
    @D. K.

    Once Baltimore must've been a great white working man's town, though not for everyone.
    http://youtu.be/8V4NoboSq6w

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Former Darfur

    Another song, I spotted on Youtube is called “Hello Baltimore”.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Hrw-500

    Oh, to be twenty years old, again . . .

    ***

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhdh8kSM7lY

    ***

    BALTIMORE (RANDY NEWMAN)

    Beat up little seagull
    On a marble stair
    Tryin' to find the ocean
    Lookin' everywhere

    Hard times in the city
    In a hard town by the sea
    Ain't nowhere to run to
    There ain't nothin' here for free

    Hooker on the corner
    Waitin' for a train
    Drunk lyin' on the sidewalk
    Sleepin' in the rain

    And they hide their faces
    And they hide their eyes
    'Cause the city's dyin'
    And they don't know why

    Oh Baltimore
    Man it's hard just to live
    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it's hard just to live, just to live

    Get my sister Sandy
    And my little brother Ray
    Buy a big old wagon
    To haul us all away

    Live out in the country
    Where the mountain's high
    Never comin' back here
    'Til the day I die

    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it's hard just to live
    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it's hard just to live, just to live

  90. @Another Canadian
    @Rick Johnsmeyer


    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding.
     
    It's difficult for many foreigners and even some Americans to comprehend, but the United States is actually a large third-world country embedded in a somewhat larger first-world country. Chicago, for example, has a history of tourist victimisation on Rush Street, when club goers wandered off the beaten path and became easy targets for the denizens of Cabrini Green. A few years ago two drunken British tourists were murdered in Sarasota, Florida because they didn't realise there was more to Sarasota than St. Armands Circle. Be careful out there.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    Yeah, I try to explain this to fellow Brits, who think the whole world is like Britain or north-west Europe.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Simon in London


    Yeah, I try to explain this to fellow Brits, who think the whole world is like Britain or north-west Europe.

     

    Me too. I'm not a Brit, but several of my friends and many of my acquaintances are, and it's difficult to convince many of them that most parts of the USA's landmass are very, very safe. Most of them just assume that crime is spread relatively evenly across the USA, and that the shotgun-totin' rednecks in benighted backwaters such as Sioux County, Iowa, are knocking each other off at the same rate -- or at an even higher rate, because GUNS! [note: 'because XXX' used ironically] -- than the denizens of St Louis or Chicago. I mean, St Louis and Chicago aren't that far from Sioux County, really . . . .

    Years upon years of accumulated BBC propaganda has its effects.

  91. @Drake
    Feminists sometimes complain that society responds to male violence with a "boys will be boys attitude", that it gives men a free pass. Sometimes this is tied in to what they call "rape culture".

    Feminists are delusional, of course, but Ta-Nehisi Coates seems to advocate an extreme version of "boys will be boys", although he would never phrase it as such. His idea seems to be that society shouldn't take black male violence seriously, since that means putting lots of black men in prison, which in turn destroys black society. Men who go to prison can't get decent jobs, they can't support families, women don't want to marry them. This means more illegitimacy, more boys growing up without fathers, which perpetuates the cycle.

    Coates seems to be saying, let young black men run amok during their youth, but don't leave them stuck with criminal records. Eventually they will age out of crime and get jobs and raise families. In the long run black society will be better off that way. Some people will get mugged, some women will get raped, but in the long run that is less important than having as many men as possible become functioning members of society.

    From a reactionary point of view, there's actually something to be said for this. Law and order is vital to society, but arguably there is one thing even more important, and that is men. Men who will work, who will marry their women and raise their children. Family is more fundamental than law or justice.

    This is the wisdom implicit in "boys will by boys": that society depends upon men, that imposing excessive rules upon them in their youth only serves to stigmatize them, and they will age out of it and ultimately carry society on their back. (Feminists hate every part of this, and they actively want to stigmatize men.)

    The problem is that when crime gets to the level it is in Baltimore, it destroys the economy. What businessman wants to start a small business in Baltimore nowadays? So even when black men age out of crime, there will be no good jobs for them. Who wants to hire men who have never been expected to follow any rules at all?

    Still, I find it interesting that the core of Coates worldview can be interpreted in this ultra-reactionary and anti-feminist way.

    Replies: @Drake, @Dave Pinsen, @backup, @Emblematic, @Doug, @AnAnon

    “Family is more fundamental than law or justice.” – which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @AnAnon

    “Family is more fundamental than law or justice.” – which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    That's insane.

    Jim Crow was greatly resented by blacks, but the illegitimacy numbers then were nothing like they are now, and a lot more black men worked and came home to their families every night. The black numbers were worse than the white numbers but the difference was not as great and the trends for blacks were positive. Many old blacks secretly admit, at least to themselves that the days of Jim Crow, Negro League baseball, and a world of medicine, law, art, music and entertainment by, of and for blacks alone was a better one for them as a people.

    Replies: @Bert

    , @anon
    @AnAnon

    Not remotely true.

    For a start before the 1965 immigration act more of them had jobs.

    Replies: @AnAnon

  92. @Big Bill
    @Dave Pinsen

    Letting the community "sort things out" has been proceeding apace in Detroit.

    For the last few years the "justifiable homicide" rate has been climbing fast.

    Since the police may take an hour or more to arrive on the scene, regular everyday black folks have been shooting back ... and have not been charged.

    Detroit is still too racist for white folks to use self-help, but it is salutary that black folks are doing so.

    Replies: @Anonymo1

    How do you know what % of the justifiables are done by “regular blacks?” intuitively I’d say the majority of the justifiables are done by criminals to other criminals.

  93. I am afraid that Baltimore will explode after or during the trails for the Baltimore Six Cops. Rawlings-Blake with her guppy lips and peek a boo hair do, partnered with the posturing DA Marilyn Mosby , have to hold the city together during six separate trials. They have proven to be incapable in the run up to the trials. I think the DOJ will have to step in at some point to preserve any sense of security. Cleveland has fewer people and has topped 100 murders already this year. The Cleveland police are also in reaction mode due to the shooting death of 12 year old Tamir Rice by a cop. The response trigger is police involvement in a black’s death. The shooting deaths of a 5 year old boy, a 3 year old boy and unbelievably, a 5 month old girl provoke nothing more than candle vigils and stuffed animal memorials in the Cleveland black community.

  94. @Hrw-500
    @Robert Hume

    Another song, I spotted on Youtube is called "Hello Baltimore".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Z3wERnSRw

    Replies: @D. K.

    Oh, to be twenty years old, again . . .

    ***

    ***

    BALTIMORE (RANDY NEWMAN)

    Beat up little seagull
    On a marble stair
    Tryin’ to find the ocean
    Lookin’ everywhere

    Hard times in the city
    In a hard town by the sea
    Ain’t nowhere to run to
    There ain’t nothin’ here for free

    Hooker on the corner
    Waitin’ for a train
    Drunk lyin’ on the sidewalk
    Sleepin’ in the rain

    And they hide their faces
    And they hide their eyes
    ‘Cause the city’s dyin’
    And they don’t know why

    Oh Baltimore
    Man it’s hard just to live
    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it’s hard just to live, just to live

    Get my sister Sandy
    And my little brother Ray
    Buy a big old wagon
    To haul us all away

    Live out in the country
    Where the mountain’s high
    Never comin’ back here
    ‘Til the day I die

    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it’s hard just to live
    Oh, Baltimore
    Man, it’s hard just to live, just to live

  95. @President Camacho
    @asdf

    “One woman complained about “blatantly open drug deals and prostitution” in her neighborhood, saying she no longer felt safe, “even during the day.” A man said that when he walks outside “at 10:30 at night, and I don’t see a single police person, it freaks me out.” …”

    Sounds like a libertarian paradise.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It would be if they were allowed to arm themselves. As it is, it sounds like the usual victim of government malice and incompetance

  96. @Rick Johnsmeyer
    270 murders in a developed-world city of 620,000 is absolutely dumbfounding. By way of comparison, that's only about 10,000 more residents than Vancouver, BC (a city with significant crime/homelessness issues of its own).

    Vancouver has 13 murders so far this year, which is higher than normal.

    But 270? That's apocalyptic. I really don't think Americans are sufficiently shocked when they see numbers like those, or have the context into which those numbers should be placed. Because if they did, they'd be fairly disgusted.

    Replies: @NickG, @AndrewR, @Another Canadian, @Perspective, @WhatEvvs, @anon, @Patton

    I find it mildly fascinating that you don’t think many of us find the situation in Baltimore disgusting.

    So I infer a question in your statement, “what are you going to do about it?”

    “Stay far, far away” is likely a common answer.

  97. @countenance
    This is as good of a place as any to float a theory I came up with a few days ago.

    To set it up, you'll have to read VDH's latest:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425885/california-high-taxes-immigration-democrats

    Before I get to my theory, I'll note that Victor Davis Hanson strikes me as someone who is stuck in a political no man’s land, somewhere between straight cuckservatism and soft nationalism. This is why his writings about his native and home state are such a maddening mix of hints of truth and utter bullshit.

    Now to my theory.

    No, California is not going to become Detroit. This is what happens when people misdiagnose problems. Detroit isn’t Detroity because of one party political rule and liberalism. Detroit became Detroit because it’s a bell curve city, full of blacks and run by blacks. If anything, the black population of California is declining in both terms of percentage and raw numbers, and the few that remain are quickly being shipped out of their heretofore ghettos in Oakland, Los Angeles and elsewhere. Both are crucial factors, because if you’re going to have blacks, if you can keep them detached and spread out, this severely hurts their race-based political power. Because they are not tightly ghettoized and geographically compartmentalized, their networks of churches and preachers cannot materialize. And, as we all know, black preachers are the big chiefs in black political life. This may be one of the reasons why the Democrat Party wants to do AFFH, to spread out blacks in order to weaken real black political power, so that one day, the Democrat Party won’t need to be the black party, and can leave behind all the political problems that they currently face from being the black party. Sure, wherever blacks are scattered, they’ll still vote Democrat almost 100%, but that will be the extent of their contribution to the party. No black preachers to hang around Democrat functions.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    “Sure, wherever blacks are scattered, they’ll still vote Democrat almost 100%,” – all 5% of them that bother to vote, if that. the democrat party needs them concentrated and organized, as we saw in Illinois n 2014.

  98. @anon
    "I know! Because racism."

    Steve, you have got to wean yourself off of that damn "Because XYZ" expression!

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    Now it's merely a banal and unoriginal filler that is primarily used by Lumpenintelligentsia types and Daily Show watchers.

    Replies: @Danindc, @G Pinfold

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    WTF. OMG. Wow, just wow… /faceapalm. Cite please.

    By all means use with irony until they rue.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @G Pinfold

    And lt's not forget LOL!

  99. Every black content city in America is going to be bathed in blood for decades, this is the cost of state sponsored Mexican invasion.

    LA hasn’t settled down, ethnic cleansing is still ocurring.

    Things are going to get much much much worse in Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, NOLA, Oakland and the last stand Atlanta.

    Latinos don’t like Blacks, they encourage them to leave with extreme prejudice.

    Our government knows this, and doesn’t care.

  100. @D. K.
    @Fredrik

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-10-08-where-murder-happens-in-south-africa/?ref=yfp#.Vi0FCJT3arU

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours. I doubt that it would be too difficult to find a Baltimore-esque murder rate, in some similar-sized place in South Africa. Regardless, people in Baltimore have plenty of room to flee to, outside of their city. Leaving South Africa for another country is a bit more challenging.

    As I mentioned during the riots, I lived in downtown Baltimore for sixteen months, in 2009-2010, at the invitation of an old friend. It was by no means the first time that I had lived in alien (i.e., non-White) surroundings; I grew up in Gary, Indiana, after all, and I later lived in New Orleans, in the early 1980s, the barrio in Tucson, early in this century, and finally amongst both Hispanic immigrants and Black natives, in New Brighton, Staten Island, as well as up in Spanish Harlem, briefly. I am wary, by nature, and living in such places, from a matter of months to a matter of years, has left me far-warier-still. Nowhere, including in my native city, before we moved out, in September 1967, have I ever felt more despised by total strangers, simply for existing in the same public space, than I felt in Baltimore.

    When I lived in New Orleans, with a friend from Purdue, who was teaching at Tulane, he once got so mad at me, while we were out drinking, that he made me walk home, very late at night, on a weekend. I walked through the projects, where I worried whether I would make it back home, at all; but, the worst that I suffered, that dark night, was an unexpected proposition, from one of the female residents. I had great fun in New Orleans, over nine months, yet I absolutely hated living there, and I have never returned for a visit, not even during Mardi Gras.

    In Baltimore, on the other hand, there was never the festive atmosphere, among the native majority, that I often had witnessed in New Orleans. Blacks, even those in business attire, on a workday afternoon, as I walked, say, to and from the Main Post Office, to check for mail, would glare at me, as if I were from a neighboring tribe, invading their territory. I use to take refuge, when I could, in White neighborhoods, like Little Italy, during its annual outdoor film festival, or simply lingering in the Safeway, in Canton, relaxing among its overwhelmingly White shoppers. The Hispanic immigrants that I had to pass through, walking from downtown to Canton, would look at me somewhat apprehensively, as if I were an outsider who represented a threat, but they never made feel at any appreciable risk myself, walking alone and unarmed through their midst.

    The friend who invited me to Baltimore took a job in Houston, in 2010, and still seems to enjoy its amenities, living among its mixed population. He looks back on his many years in Baltimore with seeming regret, aside from his top-rate education at Johns Hopkins. When he speaks of the city itself, now, it is with utter contempt and disgust, mostly aimed at its demographic majority, which makes what once must have been a wonderful blue-collar city-- much like my native Gary, only much larger-- into a living hellhole. Even if its attribution to the Father of Sociology is misplaced, the now common claim is true: "Demography is destiny!"

    Replies: @Bert, @Robert Hume, @Reg Cæsar

    South Africa currently has more murders than the United States, with a population barely one-sixth the size of ours.

    Brazil and Russia also have a higher number of murders than the US. In fact, we come close to the combined population of the three countries.

  101. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    10 years world will long for “pragmatic” Obama. 25 years–will be considered one of America’s “greatest presidents.” 50 yrs on the $20 bill.

    – Tennessee Coates

    Once last person alive during his tenure has died-will be considered Savior of Mankind and Second Coming of Christ.

    “… black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is not a guarantee that government can manage toxic collisions of race and policing…”

    Once again, NYT copy editors miss an obvious misplacement of a word. I’ve fixed it below:

    “… black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is a guarantee that government can not manage toxic collisions of race and policing…”

    Actually, even this is incorrect and would be more accurate and concise if re-written as:

    … black leadership, exemplified by Ms. Rawlings-Blake, is a guarantee that government can not manage anything…”

    That was LOL funny (there’s life in that acronym yet, I tell you).

    The NYT is bothered by ‘The Disproportionate Risk of Driving While Black’ in Greensboro, NC.

    But not the disproportionate risk of being driven out of NYC while black.

    He makes violence sexy and funny in a way completely untethered from any sort of morality. When Tony Montana killed people in Scarface, it was emblematic of his moral corruption. In a Tarantino movie, killings are played for laughs.

    …but protesting police brutality? That’s generic Hollywood liberal BS.

    Not in Tarantino’s case. He’s got some serious black issues.

    But, yes, extremely good doctors. You can look to the very high injuries-to-deaths ratio in the Boston bombings for another example.

    You mean, for a bombing? They very frequently have high injury to death ratios.

    Hint to feminists: “the State”, at least in its Western sense, is the setting where women’s rights evolved. All evidence shows that stateless/state-of-nature scenarios become tribal patriarchies.

    Do feminists strike anyone as needing such hints?

  102. @G Pinfold
    @anon

    The phrase is well into the gross-overuse phase of its evolution and the early adopters/cool kids have long moved on.

    WTF. OMG. Wow, just wow... /faceapalm. Cite please.

    By all means use with irony until they rue.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    And lt’s not forget LOL!

  103. @Robert Hume
    @D. K.

    Once Baltimore must've been a great white working man's town, though not for everyone.
    http://youtu.be/8V4NoboSq6w

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Former Darfur

    Reading John Waters’ books gives one a pretty good read on the Baltimore of the JFK/MM era. Even as late as the seventies, Waters’ brand of grossness was truly shocking to the locals, whereas in New York it would have gotten little reaction.

  104. @AnAnon
    @Drake

    "Family is more fundamental than law or justice." - which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anon

    “Family is more fundamental than law or justice.” – which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    That’s insane.

    Jim Crow was greatly resented by blacks, but the illegitimacy numbers then were nothing like they are now, and a lot more black men worked and came home to their families every night. The black numbers were worse than the white numbers but the difference was not as great and the trends for blacks were positive. Many old blacks secretly admit, at least to themselves that the days of Jim Crow, Negro League baseball, and a world of medicine, law, art, music and entertainment by, of and for blacks alone was a better one for them as a people.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Former Darfur

    That reminds me of a few years ago when an old black judge in Alabama finally decided to end Birmingham's school busing program on account of there was no longer enough white students in the district to make any sort of significant difference. When some reporters complained about it he shot back by saying that busing wasn't doing anyone any good and costing money that could go towards education and also that he would eagerly compare the education he received in segregated Alabama with that of a modern student's.

  105. President Camacho wrote, of a Baltimore resident not seeing a single policeman on the street at night and freaking out, “Sounds like a libertarian paradise.” That is a very ignorant remark. Minimal-state libertarians of course believe in state-provided protection of life and property. Anarcho-libertarians, like Hans-Hermann Hoppe and Walter Block, believe in protection of life and property provided be private defense agencies.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ralph Raico

    In other words, neo-feudalism. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  106. @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that the University of Maryland Medical Center, where my aforementioned friend used to work, is where the bulk of such cases get taken. It is bordered by S. Martin Luther King, Jr. Blvd., making it closer to the action in West Baltimore, and it is much more convenient for transporting the bodies from the hospital to the morgue!

    Replies: @Ed

    Yeah I suspect UMMS takes the bulk of gun shot victims in the city. It’s on the West side which is where much of the city’s violence is located.

  107. @AnAnon
    @Drake

    "Family is more fundamental than law or justice." - which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @anon

    Not remotely true.

    For a start before the 1965 immigration act more of them had jobs.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @anon

    I was highlighting a potential counter example.

  108. @Simon in London
    @Another Canadian

    Yeah, I try to explain this to fellow Brits, who think the whole world is like Britain or north-west Europe.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Yeah, I try to explain this to fellow Brits, who think the whole world is like Britain or north-west Europe.

    Me too. I’m not a Brit, but several of my friends and many of my acquaintances are, and it’s difficult to convince many of them that most parts of the USA’s landmass are very, very safe. Most of them just assume that crime is spread relatively evenly across the USA, and that the shotgun-totin’ rednecks in benighted backwaters such as Sioux County, Iowa, are knocking each other off at the same rate — or at an even higher rate, because GUNS! [note: ‘because XXX’ used ironically] — than the denizens of St Louis or Chicago. I mean, St Louis and Chicago aren’t that far from Sioux County, really . . . .

    Years upon years of accumulated BBC propaganda has its effects.

  109. @tbraton
    @Jason Roberts

    Uh, "Red Light District" is not what was created in "The Wire." "Red Light District" means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in "The Wire" was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas, which then benefited by the subsequent reduction in street-corner drug dealing and associated violence. BTW the white mayor of Baltimore who goes on to become governor was clearly patterned after Martin O'Malley, even though the fictional one on "The Wire" was Italian-American, rather than Irish-American. Great series. Great writing (established crime fiction writers such as Richard Price, George Pellacanos, Dennis Lehane) and great acting. My favorite TV series (better than "The Sopranos" imo).

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    Uh, “Red Light District” is not what was created in “The Wire.” “Red Light District” means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in “The Wire” was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas

    Hamsterdam.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Percy Gryce

    "Hamsterdam."

    Exactly. The reason it was called that is that it was a play on "Amsterdam," the Dutch city notorious for its legalization of marijuana and other drugs. According to Wikipedia, " "Hamsterdam" (called "Amsterdam" in the first DVD release) is the fourth episode of the third season of the HBO original series The Wire. The episode was written by George Pelecanos from a story by David Simon & George Pelecanos and was directed by Ernest Dickerson. It originally aired on October 10, 2004." I had forgotten that George Pelecanos, the crime novelist from Washington, D.C., had written that particular episode. Since I was born and raised in D.C. and lived there until moving to Florida, I was generally familiar with many of the neighborhoods Pelecanos wrote about in his crime novels, which are all based in D.C., as far as I know. (He's very prolific, but I have only read about 3 or 4 of his novels. Pretty good imo.)

  110. @Steve Sailer
    @Cwhatfuture

    "It would seem that Baltimore must either have very bad shots or very good doctors."

    Extremely good doctors: Johns Hopkins Medical Center.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @D. K., @SFG, @Percy Gryce

  111. Six years in Baltimore (1992-98). Many fond memories of Charm City. If one was associated with the elite institutions in the city, it was possible to avoid most colored entanglements. Apart from my car being broken into several times (including the day I moved into a loft downtown), the worst that the Baltimore blacks did to me was dragging down the national ranking of the law school.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Percy Gryce

    They have changed the name, since June 2010, but this is the thing that I miss the most about Baltimore:

    ***

    Community Market
    (formerly called “H&S Bakery Outlet Store”)

    1616 Fleet Street, Baltimore, MD 21231
    (410) 522-9323
    Hours: Monday – Saturday 7:00 am – 5:00 pm * Closed Sundays*

    Store Manager: Missy Huddleston

    ***

    Three packages of rolls or loaves of bread for a buck, off of the clearance rack!

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

  112. @Percy Gryce
    Six years in Baltimore (1992-98). Many fond memories of Charm City. If one was associated with the elite institutions in the city, it was possible to avoid most colored entanglements. Apart from my car being broken into several times (including the day I moved into a loft downtown), the worst that the Baltimore blacks did to me was dragging down the national ranking of the law school.

    Replies: @D. K.

    They have changed the name, since June 2010, but this is the thing that I miss the most about Baltimore:

    ***

    Community Market
    (formerly called “H&S Bakery Outlet Store”)

    1616 Fleet Street, Baltimore, MD 21231
    (410) 522-9323
    Hours: Monday – Saturday 7:00 am – 5:00 pm * Closed Sundays*

    Store Manager: Missy Huddleston

    ***

    Three packages of rolls or loaves of bread for a buck, off of the clearance rack!

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @D. K.

    I really can't think of just one thing that I miss most. I love the Walters and the VAM. I love the Basilica and Camden Yards--and I liked Memorial Stadium before they blew it up. I love JHU (the Homewood campus) and Evergreen House. I love Normal's Books and Atomic Books. I love Mt. Washington and Federal Hill. I love the crab cakes and Berger's cookies.

    Ah, man, but for the blacks, Baltimore would be another Portland--Maine or Oregon, take your pick.

  113. @D. K.
    @Percy Gryce

    They have changed the name, since June 2010, but this is the thing that I miss the most about Baltimore:

    ***

    Community Market
    (formerly called “H&S Bakery Outlet Store”)

    1616 Fleet Street, Baltimore, MD 21231
    (410) 522-9323
    Hours: Monday – Saturday 7:00 am – 5:00 pm * Closed Sundays*

    Store Manager: Missy Huddleston

    ***

    Three packages of rolls or loaves of bread for a buck, off of the clearance rack!

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    I really can’t think of just one thing that I miss most. I love the Walters and the VAM. I love the Basilica and Camden Yards–and I liked Memorial Stadium before they blew it up. I love JHU (the Homewood campus) and Evergreen House. I love Normal’s Books and Atomic Books. I love Mt. Washington and Federal Hill. I love the crab cakes and Berger’s cookies.

    Ah, man, but for the blacks, Baltimore would be another Portland–Maine or Oregon, take your pick.

  114. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Anonymous

    When I extrapolate the trend of increasing dysfunction correlating almost perfectly with increasing Negro dominance of city government, I think you may be right. A Negro-run Baltimore will become such a burnt out war zone that even the remaining human cockroaches will give up their welfare payments and move out. The state government will eventually take over, as in Detroit, and then brave, white, urban pioneers can move in and build a viable city on the ruins. This process has played out across the country, e.g., Boston's South End, NYC's South Bronx, Detroit, etc..

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Yak-15

    The south Bronx is still very dangerous (other than perpetually wealthy and closed off Riverdale). The south Bronx is also not very white, rather, it’s Dominican and Puerto Rican.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Yak-15

    Sorry, Riverdale is not in the South Bronx, but in the NorthWest corner of the Bronx above and to the NW of W242 Street and Broadway (the end of an IRT Line) and on the North bordering Yonkers.
    True, when last I was there many years ago it was a private community with private roads.

    JR

  115. @SFG
    @Steve Sailer

    University of Maryland, which gets more of the trauma cases, is apparently one of the top trauma centers in the country.

    But, yes, extremely good doctors. You can look to the very high injuries-to-deaths ratio in the Boston bombings for another example.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    In Boston, if you get shot, stabbed or blown up, you don’t want them to take you to Mass General, often called the best hospital in the world, you want to go to Boston Medical Center, located in the DMZ between the gay, gentrified South End and the jungles of Roxbury.

    Trauma cases from all over New England are flown there for treatment.

    I imagine it’s the same in Baltimore; Johns Hopkins gets the glory while UMMC does the dirty work.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Brutusale

    Hopkins and Mass General are more research focused than UMMC and Boston Medical Center. Research is important, too.

  116. @Paul Kersey
    On Memphis... the city just elected a white mayor.

    He ran on - literally - one platform: Getting tough on crime.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    On Memphis… the city just elected a white mayor.

    He ran on – literally – one platform: Getting tough on crime.

    Literally!

  117. @Ralph Raico
    President Camacho wrote, of a Baltimore resident not seeing a single policeman on the street at night and freaking out, "Sounds like a libertarian paradise." That is a very ignorant remark. Minimal-state libertarians of course believe in state-provided protection of life and property. Anarcho-libertarians, like Hans-Hermann Hoppe and Walter Block, believe in protection of life and property provided be private defense agencies.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    In other words, neo-feudalism. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  118. The Baltimore police department is setting records in payout of overtime. When the overtime budget cuts come, the city will get even worse. I think it was pretty foolish of Under Armour to base their operations in Baltimore, but at least they had the good sense to isolate themselves in Locust Point.

    There is really no good reason to live in Baltimore unless living close enough to bars to walk home drunk and possibly be assaulted on your way is essential to your lifestyle. For plenty of people 21-35, it is, so they live there for a bit. There are far too many nice suburbs around Baltimore to make living there desirable after getting married or deciding your liver needs a break. Annapolis, Frederick, Ellicott City, and Towson are all better options with good schools.

  119. @anon
    @AnAnon

    Not remotely true.

    For a start before the 1965 immigration act more of them had jobs.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    I was highlighting a potential counter example.

  120. and since it won’t let me edit my post to respond to the other one:
    “Jim Crow was greatly resented by blacks, but the illegitimacy numbers then were nothing like they are now, and a lot more black men worked and came home to their families every night. The black numbers were worse than the white numbers but the difference was not as great and the trends for blacks were positive. Many old blacks secretly admit, at least to themselves that the days of Jim Crow, Negro League baseball, and a world of medicine, law, art, music and entertainment by, of and for blacks alone was a better one for them as a people.” –

    They had good reason to resent it, humans are status seekers and we want self determination above all else, even if losing it would lead to better material outcomes, the old parable of the dog and the wolf comes to mind. They are going to have to come to terms with the fact that, at least in places like Baltimore and Detroit, they’ve got their self determination, and the problems there are their problems.

    I was simply pointing out that ceding the streets to criminals would be incredibly foolish.

  121. @anon
    I wonder how many people the NYT accidentally killed with their racial incitement?

    Separately the ratio of shootings to homicides (yeah i know not all homicides etc but still). I wonder what it was in the 60s. Could be a way of getting a rough idea of the number of homicides there would be now without medical advances?

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    “Could be a way of getting a rough idea of the number of homicides there would be now without medical advances?”


    “Murder rates would be up to five times higher than they are but for medical developments over the past 40 years.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124155/

    “Crime experts who attribute the drop in killings to better policing or an aging population fail to square the image of a more tranquil nation with this statistic: The reported number of people treated for gunshot attacks from 2001 to 2011 has grown by nearly half. “Did everybody become a lousy shot all of a sudden? No,” said Jim Pasco, executive director of the National Fraternal Order of Police, a union that represents about 330,000 officers. “The potential for a victim to survive a wound is greater than it was 15 years ago.” “

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324712504578131360684277812

  122. @Former Darfur
    @AnAnon

    “Family is more fundamental than law or justice.” – which is why during jim crow the black family was in even worse shape than it is now.

    That's insane.

    Jim Crow was greatly resented by blacks, but the illegitimacy numbers then were nothing like they are now, and a lot more black men worked and came home to their families every night. The black numbers were worse than the white numbers but the difference was not as great and the trends for blacks were positive. Many old blacks secretly admit, at least to themselves that the days of Jim Crow, Negro League baseball, and a world of medicine, law, art, music and entertainment by, of and for blacks alone was a better one for them as a people.

    Replies: @Bert

    That reminds me of a few years ago when an old black judge in Alabama finally decided to end Birmingham’s school busing program on account of there was no longer enough white students in the district to make any sort of significant difference. When some reporters complained about it he shot back by saying that busing wasn’t doing anyone any good and costing money that could go towards education and also that he would eagerly compare the education he received in segregated Alabama with that of a modern student’s.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yak-15
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The south Bronx is still very dangerous (other than perpetually wealthy and closed off Riverdale). The south Bronx is also not very white, rather, it's Dominican and Puerto Rican.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Sorry, Riverdale is not in the South Bronx, but in the NorthWest corner of the Bronx above and to the NW of W242 Street and Broadway (the end of an IRT Line) and on the North bordering Yonkers.
    True, when last I was there many years ago it was a private community with private roads.

    JR

  124. @Percy Gryce
    @tbraton


    Uh, “Red Light District” is not what was created in “The Wire.” “Red Light District” means legalized prostitution and sex-related activities. What was created in “The Wire” was a special neighborhood where legalized, open-air drug dealing was permitted in order to take such activities away from other areas
     
    Hamsterdam.

    Replies: @tbraton

    “Hamsterdam.”

    Exactly. The reason it was called that is that it was a play on “Amsterdam,” the Dutch city notorious for its legalization of marijuana and other drugs. According to Wikipedia, ” “Hamsterdam” (called “Amsterdam” in the first DVD release) is the fourth episode of the third season of the HBO original series The Wire. The episode was written by George Pelecanos from a story by David Simon & George Pelecanos and was directed by Ernest Dickerson. It originally aired on October 10, 2004.” I had forgotten that George Pelecanos, the crime novelist from Washington, D.C., had written that particular episode. Since I was born and raised in D.C. and lived there until moving to Florida, I was generally familiar with many of the neighborhoods Pelecanos wrote about in his crime novels, which are all based in D.C., as far as I know. (He’s very prolific, but I have only read about 3 or 4 of his novels. Pretty good imo.)

  125. @Brutusale
    @SFG

    In Boston, if you get shot, stabbed or blown up, you don't want them to take you to Mass General, often called the best hospital in the world, you want to go to Boston Medical Center, located in the DMZ between the gay, gentrified South End and the jungles of Roxbury.

    Trauma cases from all over New England are flown there for treatment.

    I imagine it's the same in Baltimore; Johns Hopkins gets the glory while UMMC does the dirty work.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Hopkins and Mass General are more research focused than UMMC and Boston Medical Center. Research is important, too.

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