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From the New York Times:

Yamiche Alcindor 1:12 PM ET Wed Feb 10 2016 05:12:11 GMT-0800 (PST)

A Prominent Bernie Sanders Critic, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Is Now a Fan

Ta-Nehisi Coates, the award-winning writer who has become one of the nation’s most influential voices on cultural and political issues, particularly touching on race relations, said Wednesday that he would be voting for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

The decision by Mr. Coates, the recipient of a MacArthur “genius grant” and the author of “Between the World and Me,” winner of the National Book Award, came as something of a surprise: Last month, Mr. Coates, author of a widely read 2014 Atlantic essay, “The Case for Reparations,” wrote two articles sharply criticizing Mr. Sanders over his opposition to reparations for slavery. …

Backing from Mr. Coates, 40, could bolster Mr. Sanders’s efforts to court black voters as the Democratic primary contest moves into more diverse primary states, where African-Americans make up an enormously important constituency.

Have all that many South Carolina blacks actually heard of Genius T. Coates? I would guess he has more fans per capita in Boulder, Colo.

In an interview with The New York Times on Wednesday afternoon, Mr. Coates said he was concerned about Mrs. Clinton’s ties to Wall Street and her past stances on criminal justice. …

He added that he was also concerned about the criminal justice bills passed under President Bill Clinton. “I’m a kid born in the 1970s,” Mr. Coates said. “I came up in the early 1990s, the crime bill from 1994 is huge. I understand, Senator Sanders voted for the crime bill. I got that. But there’s a clip of Secretary Clinton. They are talking about criminal justice policy and she uses a term that — it just chills me when I hear it — and that is super predator. I am of that generation of super predators. That’s where I come from and our current policy today has been an absolute, absolute disaster.”

Nobody actually called Genius himself a “superpredator.” The other black kids called him “Urkel” and the like before punching him, which was the fault of FDR’s racist redlining.

Mr. Coates’s announcement comes as Mr. Sanders is pushing hard to broaden his support among African-Americans. He met Wednesday morning with the Rev. Al Sharpton in New York. Last week, he won the endorsement of Benjamin T. Jealous, a former N.A.A.C.P. president, who vowed to campaign for him in South Carolina.

Ben Jealous’s endorsement should galvanize the Certain People community of his native Monterey Peninsula, CA.

 
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  1. Ben Jealous is also a Rhodes scholar. I wonder where he stands on #RhodesMustFall?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Percy Gryce

    I loved Ben Jealous in The Wedding Crashers and Old School. I don't like how he ripped off his goatee look though. He wants to be America's answer to Dieudonné and I don't think it works for him.

  2. Whoa! Without the blacks, Hellary could be in trouble.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    , @boogerbently
    @Seamus Padraig

    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the "black vote" is a media ploy.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Bill Jones
    @Seamus Padraig

    We haven't yet heard Barry the Ebon Man-God instruct his constituents as to where their loyalty properly lies.

    I suspect that there's a huge conflict between his hatred of the Clinton's and his love of the upcoming millions from the banks; the Clinton's primary owners.

  3. “Our current policy today”? Haw haw!

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Coates’s claim to fame is his piece on why black people should get more Free Stuff. It took him a while, but he finally figured out who the Free Stuff candidate is. Which means that ordinary blacks will never figure out who the Free Stuff candidate is unless the black leadership decides to get the word out.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Not sure I trust Black Einstein here on the provenance of “superpredator”… Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about? I remember the term vaguely in connection with O-Dog from “Menace II Society” so that places it around the ’94 cliche epoch of “angry white men” and “going postal”

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Anonymous

    "Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about?"

    If my memory's okay, "super predator" came into use by some in the chattering class sometime in the 1990s on the heels of a prediction by one professor that the future would see an increasing number of criminals committing a very high number of violent crimes and property crimes. The prediction turned out to be technically flawed. I saw the TV interview with the obviously contrite academic. Hope my memory's okay.

    For Coates to dredge up "super-predator", a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Desiderius

  6. The plutocrats who run the USA must be laughing like hyenas as they smoke their Cuban cigars and sip their cognac. It’s hilarious to look at the Negroes they’ve anointed as “spokesman” for Blacks. Makes you wonder if any Negroes are intelligent.

  7. Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    • Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle
    @Ivy

    He looks 96, not 69.

    https://gfycat.com/AffectionateFatherlyCrayfish

    Replies: @Olorin, @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @Kylie
    @Ivy

    Oh you tease.

    , @SPMoore8
    @Ivy

    When Clinton passes on, I'm not sure if lowering the flag to half mast will be such a positive tribute.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @Ivy

    The Husband of Record croaks shortly before November...Hillary swoons...and gets the sympathy vote ("He felt your pain, America, and paid the ultimate price"). There's a triple play for ya.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @ATX Hipster
    @Ivy

    Mark Steyn's theory is that Bill's interns have "literally sucked all the life out of him."

    http://www.steynonline.com/7440/second-degree-bern

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Johnnygeo
    @Ivy

    Would a Bill health crisis benefit Hillary via sympathy vote? If so he probably shouldn't go buying any green bananas.

    Replies: @Jasper Been

  8. This is no doubt front page news at the NYT.

  9. The guy is claiming to be a superpredator? WTF? (Or “from the generation of super predators” to be exact) So that MacArthur grant hasn’t burnished his street cred enough I guess.

  10. That’ll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.

    Next up (maybe?) — Endorsement from a black who blacks have heard of.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Joe Magarac

    Only blacks who READ have heard of the "Genius" man, Coates.

    , @Desiderius
    @Joe Magarac


    That’ll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.
     
    They're not ethnomasochists, they're ideosadists.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

  11. @Percy Gryce
    Ben Jealous is also a Rhodes scholar. I wonder where he stands on #RhodesMustFall?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I loved Ben Jealous in The Wedding Crashers and Old School. I don’t like how he ripped off his goatee look though. He wants to be America’s answer to Dieudonné and I don’t think it works for him.

  12. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Pseudonymic Handle

    Ay caramba!

    He looks like C. Montgomery Burns as Dracula in Treehouse of Horror IV.

    https://hardbookhabit.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/mr-burns-dracula.jpg

    All that cattin' around appears to have destroyed his immune system.

    https://cotocrew.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/16clinton.jpg

    http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2014/news/141013/hillary-clinton-300.jpg

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Pseudonymic Handle

    Wow. Serious wasting.

  13. Sanders added free chitlins to his platform this morning. That must’ve sealed the deal for Coates.

  14. Ass-ugly, dumb as a brick and as dishonest as Rodham herself. How is this fool “one of the nation’s most influential voices on cultural and political issues, particularly touching on race relations”

  15. If I was a Democratic party bigwig, I’d be terrified of this stuff — how stuff you said 20 years ago in a completely different political environment could come back and haunt you for being insufficiently progressive by modern standards.

    I wonder how all this must look to, say, politically ambitious kids of about high school age. I’ve always thought the hyper-ambitious Marco Rubio types that political parties depend on have their political views shaped at least partially by their own career self-interest — whichever ideology seems the most likely to deliver a person like themselves to the Oval Office is the one they naturally find the most persuasive.

    Well, right now, there’s an entire generation of ambitious, charismatic young white kids who are constantly being pounded over the head with the message that they have no future in the Democratic Party. How could they? In addition to being hostile to white people in general, the party presents no plausible career path to anybody who’s not black, gay or transgender. Hillary Clinton checked the right boxes at every single stage of her entire career and she’s on the verge of being bamboozled — again — by yet another freak electoral phenomenon that nobody would have seen coming just two years ago. And here’s Genius T. Coates roasting her over coals for doing what, back in the 90s, was considered the smart move. If you’re a calculating Tracy Flick type, how do you plan for any of this?

    Meanwhile, you look at the Republican race, and it’s full of folks that you just know were president of every club in high school. Even the wild card Trump presents a plausible model for an ambitious kid who has loads of charisma. What go-getter student government nerd looks at Bernie Sanders and says, “if I play my cards right, that could be me?”

    • Replies: @MC
    @Mr. Blank

    “Hillary Clinton checked the right boxes at every single stage of her entire career and she’s on the verge of being bamboozled — again — by yet another freak electoral phenomenon that nobody would have seen coming just two years ago.”

    Referring to Hillary Clinton losing the nomination as a “freak electoral phenomenon” brings to mind Ben Stiller’s line from “Zoolander” about a “freak gasoline fight accident.”

    , @anon
    @Mr. Blank

    If I was a Democratic party bigwig, I’d be terrified of this stuff — how stuff you said 20 years ago in a completely different political environment could come back and haunt you for being insufficiently progressive by modern standards.

    I don't know. You'd think the party that made a big show out of thinking that the Iraq war was the worst debacle in a generation would be more concerned about her much more recent, and much more consequential, support of that, as well as her initial refusal to say it was a mistake. It never really seemed to matter, though.

    It would be like living in a totally random environment. It'd probably freak you out for awhile, but sooner or later, apathy would have to start sinking in.

  16. @Mr. Blank
    If I was a Democratic party bigwig, I'd be terrified of this stuff — how stuff you said 20 years ago in a completely different political environment could come back and haunt you for being insufficiently progressive by modern standards.

    I wonder how all this must look to, say, politically ambitious kids of about high school age. I've always thought the hyper-ambitious Marco Rubio types that political parties depend on have their political views shaped at least partially by their own career self-interest — whichever ideology seems the most likely to deliver a person like themselves to the Oval Office is the one they naturally find the most persuasive.

    Well, right now, there's an entire generation of ambitious, charismatic young white kids who are constantly being pounded over the head with the message that they have no future in the Democratic Party. How could they? In addition to being hostile to white people in general, the party presents no plausible career path to anybody who's not black, gay or transgender. Hillary Clinton checked the right boxes at every single stage of her entire career and she's on the verge of being bamboozled — again — by yet another freak electoral phenomenon that nobody would have seen coming just two years ago. And here's Genius T. Coates roasting her over coals for doing what, back in the 90s, was considered the smart move. If you're a calculating Tracy Flick type, how do you plan for any of this?

    Meanwhile, you look at the Republican race, and it's full of folks that you just know were president of every club in high school. Even the wild card Trump presents a plausible model for an ambitious kid who has loads of charisma. What go-getter student government nerd looks at Bernie Sanders and says, "if I play my cards right, that could be me?"

    Replies: @MC, @anon

    “Hillary Clinton checked the right boxes at every single stage of her entire career and she’s on the verge of being bamboozled — again — by yet another freak electoral phenomenon that nobody would have seen coming just two years ago.”

    Referring to Hillary Clinton losing the nomination as a “freak electoral phenomenon” brings to mind Ben Stiller’s line from “Zoolander” about a “freak gasoline fight accident.”

  17. The left really lives in this bizarro-world-echo-chamber where mediocre black writers’ opinions on who should be president are worthy of national headlines.

    I wish nothing but self-awareness upon on them. Because that will be worse than an atom bomb to their egos.

  18. There was one “influential voice” from within the black community who had the real solution to this country’s race problem, and his name was Marcus Garvey.

  19. Don’t forget that Hillary had more black support then Obama in 2007. They did not know what to make of the half-white guy with the funny name. Most blacks are low information voters who go by name recognition. They also tend to be brand loyal. For example, blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.

    It was only when Obama started winning primaries (thanks to white antiwar voters) that blacks started to take him seriously.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Paul Mendez

    "Rappers have been giving props to Donald Trump for decades"

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-rap-songs-hip-hop-lyrics-2016-2

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Mendez


    ...blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.
     
    Whites shifted (ha!) to foreign luxury models because blacks loved Caddys so much.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JVO, @Discard

    , @Stan Adams
    @Paul Mendez

    On the day that Obama announced his candidacy (in early 2007), a middle-aged talented-tenth black woman who I knew at the time told me that a) he didn't stand a chance and b) there would never be a black president in her lifetime. She reiterated her full support for Hillary.

    By the time the primaries got underway in '08, we had lost touch, so I never got to see her "conversion," if any.

    One black woman who boarded the Obama train early on was Oprah. In late September 2006, Larry King asked her about a man who was trying to get her to run for president. (Her lawyers forced him to stop.) She said that the man should take all of his energy and pour it into Obama, her "favorite senator" and a man who she hoped would run for president.

    A few weeks later, she had Barry and Michelle on her show, and again endorsed him as The One. This was in October 2006, mind you.

    The first time I ever heard the name "Obama" was while watching the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He gave the keynote speech.

    Afterward, the television commentators were falling all over themselves to tell us how wonderfully he'd read the words from the TelePrompTer. "This man could be president one day," they said. And they were right.

    Like Obama, Bill Clinton launched his national political career with a high-profile speaking engagement on prime-time television at a Democratic convention. Clinton's big moment came in 1988.

    Unlike Obama, Clinton botched his speech so badly - he droned on and on and on - that, when he said, "In conclusion," the delegates gave him their biggest cheer of the week. But by the time the '92 primary season rolled around, even the few folks who remembered that embarrassing episode had long since ceased to care.

    Replies: @Discard, @DCThrowback

  20. Have all that many South Carolina blacks actually heard of Genius T. Coates?

    Bill & Melinda Gates should pay for 30sec TV spots that finish with: “only from the mind of Ta-Nehisi”. They can buy the rights to the slogan from Minolta.

  21. I just came across this on Ben “One Drop” Jealous from the Finding Your Roots show.

    http://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/2014/10/29/finding-your-roots-Benjamin-jealous-gets-in-touch-with-his-revolutionary-heritage/

    It says he’s a whopping 18 percent black. LOL. They couldn’t have at least found a mulatto to head the NAACP?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @gregor

    But if you can't find a Quadroon he's better than an Octoroon.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @gregor

    That's a higher percentage than I would have guessed.

  22. Interesting to note that TNC was asked for his opinion on the Democratic primary, and the best he could come up with was that 20 years ago Hilary Clinton used a word that triggered him. This is not exactly what I would expect from someone who aspires to be “America’s most foremost public intellectual.”

    It’s hard to conceive of the political-cultural climate becoming any more moronic.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @SPMoore8

    Well get ready for two more transitions. The first will be morons to imbeciles. Morons (clinically) have an IQ of 51-70. Imbeciles have IQs of 26-50. The second will be from imbeciles to idiots. Idiots have IQs of 0-25.

    Trust me, idiocy is the destination. Moronic political-cultural climate? That will look like paradise if the democrat party trajectory continues. Minimize the damage - support Trump

    But even if Trump fails, finally, when all alternatives have been exhausted, even the idiots on the Left will throw in the towel.

  23. Chris “Krispy Kremes” threw in the towel as did Fiorina. I got a feeling Ben Carson might be the next to go.

    Let us give thanks to Krispy. Without him, Marco Roboto would be in a better position.

    From Erick Erickson’s Twitter:

    Congrats to Jim Gilmore, who has now climbed from 17th to 7th in a week. There’s real momentum.

    What the devil is Jim Gilmore’s plan? I forgot he existed.

  24. iSteveFan says:
    @Seamus Padraig
    Whoa! Without the blacks, Hellary could be in trouble.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @boogerbently, @Bill Jones

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she’d have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can’t even take their own demographic, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @iSteveFan

    I've always depended on the kindness of strangers

    , @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    That's not exactly true regarding Hillary. In general, older and senior citizen white Dem voters have tended to support Hillary. In New Hampshire, Sanders is a well known, long-time senator from a neighboring state.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @iSteveFan

    "If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she’d have this in the bag."

    There simply aren't that many white gentiles left in the Democratic party. The vast majority now vote Republican or aren't affiliated with either party. If you want to see SC's white voters next week, check out the GOP primary.

    Said it before, will say it again. This November, Hillary will lose the white vote by ca.70% (to 30%). Numbers wise, there simply aren't that many white voters who vote reliably Democratic anymore. Those in the middle aren't going for Hillary in any massive numerical way. Why should they vote for her? If the Donald wins the nomination and goes all out to win the White House, he will carry the white vote ca. 70%.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @iSteveFan


    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group.
     
    FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @iSteveFan

    Someone like Hillary would regard having most of her support among races other than her own as the highest form of moral validation. After all, there are whites who self-identify as "race traitors" with pride.

  25. Maybe Coates is mistaking Bernie Sanders for Colonel Sanders.

    Free bucket of chicken? Sheeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiit!!!!

    Bern Baby Bern.

  26. @Anonymous
    Not sure I trust Black Einstein here on the provenance of "superpredator"... Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about? I remember the term vaguely in connection with O-Dog from "Menace II Society" so that places it around the '94 cliche epoch of "angry white men" and "going postal"

    Replies: @JackOH

    “Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about?”

    If my memory’s okay, “super predator” came into use by some in the chattering class sometime in the 1990s on the heels of a prediction by one professor that the future would see an increasing number of criminals committing a very high number of violent crimes and property crimes. The prediction turned out to be technically flawed. I saw the TV interview with the obviously contrite academic. Hope my memory’s okay.

    For Coates to dredge up “super-predator”, a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.

    • Replies: @Winthorp
    @JackOH

    TNC learned about the super predator speech during the recent socialist backlash against his criticism of Sanders' reticence on reparations. Socialists never forgot anything. Now, learning new things - that's a different story.

    , @Desiderius
    @JackOH


    For Coates to dredge up “super-predator”, a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.
     
    Well, considering that the self-serving and incompetent are his audience, he's got to throw them a bone here and there so they don't feel out of place.
  27. Bernie should seek the Beyoncé endorsement, that really could put a nail in the coffin of the Hillary campaign. Normally someone as affluent as Beyoncé might not want to promote socialism, however Bernie could offer the “minority oppression tax exemption” from his 90% top tax rate on the rich. For pre-designated members of the coalition of the fringes, there top rate would max out at just 30%.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @George Taylor

    Bernie should promise to introduce a tax on white privilege. He will shore up his black support and get enough revenue to fund any program he likes. Mr. Coats would approve.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  28. @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    I’ve always depended on the kindness of strangers

  29. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    Oh you tease.

  30. @Paul Mendez
    Don't forget that Hillary had more black support then Obama in 2007. They did not know what to make of the half-white guy with the funny name. Most blacks are low information voters who go by name recognition. They also tend to be brand loyal. For example, blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.

    It was only when Obama started winning primaries (thanks to white antiwar voters) that blacks started to take him seriously.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams

    “Rappers have been giving props to Donald Trump for decades”

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-rap-songs-hip-hop-lyrics-2016-2

  31. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    When Clinton passes on, I’m not sure if lowering the flag to half mast will be such a positive tribute.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @SPMoore8

    "When Clinton passes on, I’m not sure if lowering the flag to half mast will be such a positive tribute."

    In his memory, his followers should lower their pants.

  32. @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    That’s not exactly true regarding Hillary. In general, older and senior citizen white Dem voters have tended to support Hillary. In New Hampshire, Sanders is a well known, long-time senator from a neighboring state.

  33. This is all for vain display at no personal cost. When Maxine Waters was muttering about not backing Lord Selma in 2012 because he hadn’t delivered sufficiently for his people, there were dummies then in the press who actually bought it for a few seconds or at least turned in stories under that operating theory. Bigwigs of color aren’t raring to boycott the nominee when voting time comes, the point of the extended slow-walk roll-out roll-call of desertions from the queen is, “Pay attention to us!” Seat at the table, etc. What, Hillary HQ’s going to shaft or even mildly penalize the fair-weather NAM allies who publicly cold-shouldered her in time of need? HAHAHAHAHA

  34. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    The Husband of Record croaks shortly before November…Hillary swoons…and gets the sympathy vote (“He felt your pain, America, and paid the ultimate price”). There’s a triple play for ya.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Connecticut Famer

    Wow. If he died a couple weeks before the election she would win in a landslide. Hell, they could just fake his death. Small price to pay to get her back into the WH.

  35. @George Taylor
    Bernie should seek the Beyoncé endorsement, that really could put a nail in the coffin of the Hillary campaign. Normally someone as affluent as Beyoncé might not want to promote socialism, however Bernie could offer the "minority oppression tax exemption" from his 90% top tax rate on the rich. For pre-designated members of the coalition of the fringes, there top rate would max out at just 30%.

    Replies: @inertial

    Bernie should promise to introduce a tax on white privilege. He will shore up his black support and get enough revenue to fund any program he likes. Mr. Coats would approve.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @inertial


    Bernie should promise to introduce a tax on white privilege.
     
    That would be the equivalent of Rand Paul taxing horse farms, Ted Cruz taxing cattle and oil, or Marco Rubio taxing theme parks, cigars and stucco.
  36. Gotta love how many sentences that excerpt uses to explain to the reader how awesome and well known and amazing Coates is. Seems to me that actual amazing people don’t need such a long explanation of who they are and why they’re amazing when you write about them.

    • Replies: @Discard
    @Polynices

    The Donald doesn't need any long intro. How awesome and amazing must he be?

  37. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Nobody actually called Genius himself a ‘superpredator.’ The other black kids called him ‘Urkel’ and the like before punching him, which was the fault of FDR’s racist redlining.”

    Weaker black kids may be set upon by stronger black kids, and there may be some fear associated with this… but also pride.
    After all, we do identify by race. So, even if black kids act like thugs, they be acting tough and strong. So, even if the Hissy Coates was sometimes pushed around by them, he also exulted in their black power.

    If a white kid is bullied by blacks, he is totally defeated as both individual and whitey.
    But if a black kid is bullied by blacks, he is defeated as an individual but may feel a bit of pride in that blacks are so tough.

    We see such toady behavior among whites too. After all, plenty of toady whites hang around as sidekicks to bigger stronger whites. Even as they get pushed around, they feel flattered that they are part of the tough guy community.

    Guys like Spike Flea and The Hissy Coates feel something strange in relation to blacks. They are smarter than most Negroes and creative or ‘intellectual'(if not exactly genius). And their interests don’t appeal to most Negroes who be into rap, sports, and thuggery. So, someone like Flea and Hissy would have been nowhere without white support since white Libs are more into art cinema and social ‘philosophy’. And on some level, Flea and Hissy must be grateful to whites. But they also feel like buppie sellouts who butter their bread by appealing to white bread.

    So, they make a big fuss about how they be black, proud, and angry too.
    But in fact, most blacks don’t care about what they’re into. And Flea and Hissy would be safer among whites and even white cops than among da brothaz and sistaz.
    But this makes them feel like sellouts.

    Also, even they fear black fury and rage, they are proud of it cuz it’s so badass. They wouldn’t want to live blacks thugs, but they is proud that black thugs are the alphas of American Culture.

    Flea and Hissy are impressed by black thuggery and want to be associated with its badass power.
    But then, they are also sensitive about blacks being thought of as ‘thugs’ cuz that be ‘racist’.

    Blacks love Thug Pride but don’t want to be called thugs.

    It’s like feminists now…

    love Slut Pride but don’t want to be called sluts.

    And Jews love chutzpah pride(and take great joy in running circles around goyim) but don’t want to be seen as pushy Jews.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Anon


    > But if a black kid is bullied by blacks, he is defeated as an individual but may feel a bit of pride in that blacks are so tough.
     
    Maybe, but only if he isn't a pussy. Ha-Na-Prissy Coates is a pussy.
  38. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank
    If I was a Democratic party bigwig, I'd be terrified of this stuff — how stuff you said 20 years ago in a completely different political environment could come back and haunt you for being insufficiently progressive by modern standards.

    I wonder how all this must look to, say, politically ambitious kids of about high school age. I've always thought the hyper-ambitious Marco Rubio types that political parties depend on have their political views shaped at least partially by their own career self-interest — whichever ideology seems the most likely to deliver a person like themselves to the Oval Office is the one they naturally find the most persuasive.

    Well, right now, there's an entire generation of ambitious, charismatic young white kids who are constantly being pounded over the head with the message that they have no future in the Democratic Party. How could they? In addition to being hostile to white people in general, the party presents no plausible career path to anybody who's not black, gay or transgender. Hillary Clinton checked the right boxes at every single stage of her entire career and she's on the verge of being bamboozled — again — by yet another freak electoral phenomenon that nobody would have seen coming just two years ago. And here's Genius T. Coates roasting her over coals for doing what, back in the 90s, was considered the smart move. If you're a calculating Tracy Flick type, how do you plan for any of this?

    Meanwhile, you look at the Republican race, and it's full of folks that you just know were president of every club in high school. Even the wild card Trump presents a plausible model for an ambitious kid who has loads of charisma. What go-getter student government nerd looks at Bernie Sanders and says, "if I play my cards right, that could be me?"

    Replies: @MC, @anon

    If I was a Democratic party bigwig, I’d be terrified of this stuff — how stuff you said 20 years ago in a completely different political environment could come back and haunt you for being insufficiently progressive by modern standards.

    I don’t know. You’d think the party that made a big show out of thinking that the Iraq war was the worst debacle in a generation would be more concerned about her much more recent, and much more consequential, support of that, as well as her initial refusal to say it was a mistake. It never really seemed to matter, though.

    It would be like living in a totally random environment. It’d probably freak you out for awhile, but sooner or later, apathy would have to start sinking in.

  39. “Victorious Bernie Sanders woos the black vote as he tells The View he wants cops put on trial and has breakfast in Harlem with Al Sharpton – hours BEFORE Hillary sits down with powerbroker”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440536/Bernie-Sanders-meets-Al-Sharpton-breakfast-Harlem-decisive-win-New-Hampshire-primary-hours-Reverend-sits-Hillary-Clinton.html

  40. @JackOH
    @Anonymous

    "Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about?"

    If my memory's okay, "super predator" came into use by some in the chattering class sometime in the 1990s on the heels of a prediction by one professor that the future would see an increasing number of criminals committing a very high number of violent crimes and property crimes. The prediction turned out to be technically flawed. I saw the TV interview with the obviously contrite academic. Hope my memory's okay.

    For Coates to dredge up "super-predator", a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Desiderius

    TNC learned about the super predator speech during the recent socialist backlash against his criticism of Sanders’ reticence on reparations. Socialists never forgot anything. Now, learning new things – that’s a different story.

  41. I had a thought about Bernie choosing Webb as his running mate. This would cut into some of Trump’s working class white support. Would Coates be offended?

    • Replies: @Thea
    @AP

    Has a Vice President ever decided an election?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ed

    , @Sam Haysom
    @AP

    This James Webb as working class hero meme needs to die. It's beyond ridicolous- Jim Webb has maybe 1 percent name recognition among working class voters. He's a terrible politician, with terrible stage presence who won his only election thanks to the Washington Post creating a meme about macacca being some beyond the pale term of abuse.

  42. Ta-Nehisi Coates meant to say he was and is a super pretender, not a super predator.

    Coates endorsed Bernie even though Bernie remains somewhat soft on reparations. However what a shattering blow to Hillary if on the eve of the South Carolina primary Bernie came out in favor of reparations for slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, and Lawrence Welk! He’ll have Goldman Sachs foot the bill with a Sachs tax.

  43. @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    “If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she’d have this in the bag.”

    There simply aren’t that many white gentiles left in the Democratic party. The vast majority now vote Republican or aren’t affiliated with either party. If you want to see SC’s white voters next week, check out the GOP primary.

    Said it before, will say it again. This November, Hillary will lose the white vote by ca.70% (to 30%). Numbers wise, there simply aren’t that many white voters who vote reliably Democratic anymore. Those in the middle aren’t going for Hillary in any massive numerical way. Why should they vote for her? If the Donald wins the nomination and goes all out to win the White House, he will carry the white vote ca. 70%.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    There simply aren’t that many white gentiles left in the Democratic party.
     
    Is that true? Blacks make up about 24 percent of the democrat vote. I assume hispanics are much less than that. I imagine whites still make up over 50 percent of democrat voters, but I could be wrong.
  44. I would love to see a poll showing how many blacks know who TNC is

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    Do you think that 0.1% know? Probably not.

  45. T. Genius is now trying to climb down from his declaration to vote for Sanders:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/02/against-endorsements/462261/

    from the text: “that’s all I have.” Ain’t much, dude.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @SPMoore8

    From the column you linked to:


    The idea that anyone would cast a vote because of how I am casting my vote makes my skin crawl.
     
    You're not only one, Genius.
  46. @Seamus Padraig
    Whoa! Without the blacks, Hellary could be in trouble.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @boogerbently, @Bill Jones

    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the “black vote” is a media ploy.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @boogerbently


    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the “black vote” is a media ploy.
     
    I personally saw a huge black pre-voting (pre-election day) turnout by blacks in 2008 for Obama. It seemed like they were all voting early to be sure there were no glitches. They may not have voted in years. They may have changed addresses. They may have never voted. But they were there early just to be sure their vote counted.
    Old bag Hillary will not come close to generating this kind of black turnout. Obama was a once in a lifetime. Hopefully!!!

    Replies: @boogerbently

  47. @Joe Magarac
    That'll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.

    Next up (maybe?) -- Endorsement from a black who blacks have heard of.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Desiderius

    Only blacks who READ have heard of the “Genius” man, Coates.

  48. @Paul Mendez
    Don't forget that Hillary had more black support then Obama in 2007. They did not know what to make of the half-white guy with the funny name. Most blacks are low information voters who go by name recognition. They also tend to be brand loyal. For example, blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.

    It was only when Obama started winning primaries (thanks to white antiwar voters) that blacks started to take him seriously.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams

    …blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.

    Whites shifted (ha!) to foreign luxury models because blacks loved Caddys so much.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, it's because domestic luxury cars like Caddys and Town Cars became really terrible in the late 70s. Blacks didn't know any better, and most couldn't afford foreign luxury cars if they wanted them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzpx_jUUA0

    , @JVO
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shifted because Cadillac was making absolutely terrible slow, unreliable, and ugly cars that were still quite expensive for the time.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Discard
    @Reg Cæsar

    I have read that during the 1930s, Cadillac would not allow its dealers to sell to Blacks, lest they diminish the name's prestige. Rich Blacks had to get them second hand through straw buyers.

    While I'm at it, I don't suppose that the phrase "Jew Canoe" did much for sales either.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  49. @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group.

    FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Reg Cæsar

    "FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it." (# 46)

    This is probably overly pedantic, but FDR wasn't a Yankee. Unless you are using the term in the sense of "northerner", and in that case he wasn't trounced in those states.

    Replies: @neon2

  50. Blacks go for the winner. I would not be shocked if we see polling in SC start to shift. There’s a lot of bad blood left over from 2008 and now a winner as an alternative give sanders some hope.

  51. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/theater/to-kill-a-mockingbird-is-headed-to-broadway.html

    Institutionalizing ‘white guilt’ into every facet of life so that whites will never unite to challenge glob power.

  52. @Seamus Padraig
    Whoa! Without the blacks, Hellary could be in trouble.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @boogerbently, @Bill Jones

    We haven’t yet heard Barry the Ebon Man-God instruct his constituents as to where their loyalty properly lies.

    I suspect that there’s a huge conflict between his hatred of the Clinton’s and his love of the upcoming millions from the banks; the Clinton’s primary owners.

  53. Well, I am related to Booker T. Washington, John T. Thompson (inventor of the Tommy Gun), and Samuel T. Rayburn (former Speaker of the House), but not Genius T. Coates.

    I considered writing a blog post titled “Dueling Brohams”, which would contain quotes from Booker T. and Genius T. side by side. Lotsa laffs. All in fun though, no mean-spirited intent.

    But I got to stop this foolishness and look for a job.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @elmer t. jones

    But I got to stop this foolishness and look for a job.

    Hey, we have the same mantra.

  54. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Mendez


    ...blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.
     
    Whites shifted (ha!) to foreign luxury models because blacks loved Caddys so much.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JVO, @Discard

    No, it’s because domestic luxury cars like Caddys and Town Cars became really terrible in the late 70s. Blacks didn’t know any better, and most couldn’t afford foreign luxury cars if they wanted them.

  55. @Anonymous
    Coates's claim to fame is his piece on why black people should get more Free Stuff. It took him a while, but he finally figured out who the Free Stuff candidate is. Which means that ordinary blacks will never figure out who the Free Stuff candidate is unless the black leadership decides to get the word out.

    Replies: @gruff

    I just finished reading Coates’s “Case for Reparations” and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers’s HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then “recommend appropriate remedies.”

    I don’t think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I’m sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it’s shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: “appropriate remedies” might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    • Replies: @San Joaquin Sam
    @gruff

    LOL

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @gruff

    In case you haven't noticed, if you took away the very last thing African Americans had to complain about, they'd never forgive you.

    Replies: @gruff

    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    @gruff


    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.
     
    How would you ensure finality?

    Replies: @gruff, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Daniel Williams
    @gruff


    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under [black resentment related to slavery].
     
    It's a thought. Here's an experiment that might help you get a handle on the characters involved:
    1. Get a job at Subway making sandwiches.
    2. Wait on 100 (or so) average black chicks.
    3. Report your findings re: the likelihood of a well-reasoned, mutually agreed-upon solution to any problem, no matter how inconsequential.

    Replies: @gruff

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @gruff


    It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.
     
    And much better if we could have just eliminated all the vice in humanity. Yep, that is it. And now let us all chant "yes, we can!"

    But you must know that there will never be a "final settlement" - if you could ensure its finality you would have widespread support.

    TNC has already said that reparations won't be enough. Whatever you offer, whatever you provide, whatever they take, it won't be enough. There are too many on the left that make too much money for them to accept a final settlement. It would remove their reason to reap their financial benefits.

    Replies: @gruff

    , @Realist
    @gruff

    "I don’t think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I’m sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it’s shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent."

    I agree this country would be much better off if slavery had never existed here.

    The luckiest blacks on this planet are the descendants of slaves in this country.

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

  56. This just reminds me of what a tangled political history Jewish Americans and African Americans have had. I wonder, has anyone laid out this history in book length form? Within a span of about 20 years, Jews went from civil rights allies to frequent targets of black nationalist conspiracy theories. An example of Dr. Frankenstein’s monster turning against him, perhaps?

    • Replies: @Jackie
    @J. Farmer

    Yes, here have been several. See The Crisis of the Negro Intellectual by Harold Cruse and What Went Wrong?: The Creation and Collapse of The Black-Jewish Alliance by Murray Friedman. However, the best thing I have read on the Black-Jewish alliance is The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History by E. Michael Jones - an absolutely excellent book.

  57. @gregor
    I just came across this on Ben "One Drop" Jealous from the Finding Your Roots show.

    http://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/2014/10/29/finding-your-roots-Benjamin-jealous-gets-in-touch-with-his-revolutionary-heritage/

    It says he's a whopping 18 percent black. LOL. They couldn't have at least found a mulatto to head the NAACP?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Harry Baldwin

    But if you can’t find a Quadroon he’s better than an Octoroon.

  58. He is unknown outside of South Carolina, but the key endorsement in that primary there would be from Jim Clyburn. He is both the only Democratic Congressman from South Carolina and and one of two African-Americans in the state’s congressional delegation (the other is a Republican Senator who won’t be endorsing a Democrat). His endorsement would give Sanders a boost, and he doesn’t think much of the Clintons so its possible.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Ed

    The Congressional Black Caucus just endorsed Clinton, so my semi-prediction in #55 turned out to be incorrect.

  59. @Buffalo Joe
    I would love to see a poll showing how many blacks know who TNC is

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Do you think that 0.1% know? Probably not.

  60. Ta-Nehisi Coates, Suuuuuuper Genius!

  61. Bernie should call himself Colonel Sanders to get more Black support.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Chiron

    Indeed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

    Replies: @AndrewR

  62. @SPMoore8
    T. Genius is now trying to climb down from his declaration to vote for Sanders:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/02/against-endorsements/462261/

    from the text: "that's all I have." Ain't much, dude.

    Replies: @Barnard

    From the column you linked to:

    The idea that anyone would cast a vote because of how I am casting my vote makes my skin crawl.

    You’re not only one, Genius.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  63. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    LOL

  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Mendez


    ...blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.
     
    Whites shifted (ha!) to foreign luxury models because blacks loved Caddys so much.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JVO, @Discard

    No, they shifted because Cadillac was making absolutely terrible slow, unreliable, and ugly cars that were still quite expensive for the time.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JVO


    No, they shifted because Cadillac was making absolutely terrible slow, unreliable, and ugly cars that were still quite expensive for the time.
     
    I take it you're not in the UAW.
  65. @Joe Magarac
    That'll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.

    Next up (maybe?) -- Endorsement from a black who blacks have heard of.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Desiderius

    That’ll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.

    They’re not ethnomasochists, they’re ideosadists.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
    @Desiderius


    They’re not ethnomasochists, they’re ideosadists.
     
    Hey I just learned a new word!

    They are both, but I like your word better ;)
  66. I just don’t understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one’s actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Twinkie

    Agree, and in addition you must realize, however dimly, that you're being patronized, which is humiliating.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie


    I just don’t understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status
     
    Are you kidding? We put their role model in the White House. Twice.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one’s actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades."

    The incompetent overestimate their own abilities. By their own lights, they probably think they deserve the praise.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @Brutusale
    @Twinkie

    Two words, Twinkie. Dunning-Kruger.

  67. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/10/no-ifs-or-buts-german-gov-backs-massive-pro-mass-migration-propaganda-campaign/

    German flag with black paint.

    If one didn’t know it’s meant to be anti-nationalist propaganda, it could easily be mistaken for pro-nationalist propaganda warning of the darkening of Germany.

    According to PC logic, the German soul is dark because German skin is white. For the German soul to grow white, German skin must grow dark.

    PC Soul Purism is the new supremacism.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Anon

    Wonder which billboard cabal is getting the revenues on those 600 "billboard adverts" as well as the tens of thousands of stickers and postcards.

    The black paint dripping down to erase the German flag is simply one of the most chilling propaganda images I've seen in my lifetime.

    Then to claim that the paint is the "German dark side"--(((oy!))).

    The campaign is run by Germany's "Ministry for Families, Seniors, Women and Youth."

    IOW the agency most in charge of wage and savings redistribution from white Germans to every panhandler who arrives demanding gibs.

    Also from the older Germans to the younger: if they were targeting younger Germans, this campaign would be done entirely via new media. Even the poor pathetic Moose Limb chilllldrunnnn are arriving with fully functioning smartphones.

    More fomenting of division, in this case intergenerational.

  68. @JackOH
    @Anonymous

    "Might be a good time for a little corrective media archaeology to establish exactly what the hell he is talking about?"

    If my memory's okay, "super predator" came into use by some in the chattering class sometime in the 1990s on the heels of a prediction by one professor that the future would see an increasing number of criminals committing a very high number of violent crimes and property crimes. The prediction turned out to be technically flawed. I saw the TV interview with the obviously contrite academic. Hope my memory's okay.

    For Coates to dredge up "super-predator", a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Desiderius

    For Coates to dredge up “super-predator”, a term that was cut down to size twenty-some years ago, is self-serving and incompetent.

    Well, considering that the self-serving and incompetent are his audience, he’s got to throw them a bone here and there so they don’t feel out of place.

  69. @Chiron
    Bernie should call himself Colonel Sanders to get more Black support.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Oh my god. This is the most unintentionally funny thing I have probably ever seen.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  70. Ta-Nehisi Coates, the award-winning writer who has become one of the nation’s most influential voices on cultural and political issues

    It’s a big nation, Yamiche Alcindor. You don’t know the half of it.

  71. I am told that the correct pronunciation of his name is Tennessee (Ernie) Coates.

  72. @AP
    I had a thought about Bernie choosing Webb as his running mate. This would cut into some of Trump's working class white support. Would Coates be offended?

    Replies: @Thea, @Sam Haysom

    Has a Vice President ever decided an election?

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Johnson in 1960?

    , @Ed
    @Thea

    "Has a Vice President ever decided an election?"

    The Eagleton pick in 1972 came pretty close. Despite the problems with their convention that year, McGovern still got a bounce and was polling decently against Nixon (he also polled better against Nixon than his opponents in the primaries). After the Eagleton pick and replacement, the public simply correctly included that the McGovern was incompetent. It didn't decide the election because he probably still would have lost, but it wouldn't have been a landslide.

    The selection is important because its really the first major decision the public gets to see the candidate makes. The rule should be "don't screw it up". Chose someone who is believable as President. The worst picks have been gimmick picks, designed to win the news cycle for a few days.

  73. Yamiche Alcindor

    Any relation to Lou?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @International Jew

    Lew, not Lou. Rhymes with Jew.

    , @Callowman
    @International Jew

    Disappointingly, the Internet says no, Yamiche Alcindor is not related to Lew.

  74. @gregor
    I just came across this on Ben "One Drop" Jealous from the Finding Your Roots show.

    http://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/2014/10/29/finding-your-roots-Benjamin-jealous-gets-in-touch-with-his-revolutionary-heritage/

    It says he's a whopping 18 percent black. LOL. They couldn't have at least found a mulatto to head the NAACP?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Harry Baldwin

    That’s a higher percentage than I would have guessed.

  75. @iSteveFan
    @Seamus Padraig

    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group. I mean most people running for office would like to think that they are representative of their community or group. Most probably take it for granted that they will have the support of their community, and in national elections, their home state (Al Gore).

    But in the case of Hillary, she was soundly rejected in New Hampshire by an overwhelming number of white gentiles while a Jewish man carried the day. However, her hopes now rest upon getting the black vote. If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she'd have this in the bag. She still has a great chance of winning. But it will have to be done by appealing to a different demographic.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can't even take their own demographic, isn't it?

    Replies: @dr kill, @Anonymous, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Reg Cæsar, @Harry Baldwin

    Someone like Hillary would regard having most of her support among races other than her own as the highest form of moral validation. After all, there are whites who self-identify as “race traitors” with pride.

  76. Have all that many South Carolina blacks actually heard of Genius T. Coates? I would guess he has more fans per capita in Boulder, Colo.

    It’s OK to be soft on crime when your town is 94% white & Asian and has the most PhD’s per capita in the country. Laxity seems not to work as well in towns like, say, Baltimore for some reason.

    I can’t be too hard on Boulder, since I’m moving back there in a few months after a decade away. What can I say? I miss being accosted several times a day to sign petitions for higher wages for Indonesian shoe factory workers.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ATX Hipster

    Boulder, like Austin Texas, was a nice place in the 70s. Then the hippies decided to stay.

  77. @elmer t. jones
    Well, I am related to Booker T. Washington, John T. Thompson (inventor of the Tommy Gun), and Samuel T. Rayburn (former Speaker of the House), but not Genius T. Coates.

    I considered writing a blog post titled "Dueling Brohams", which would contain quotes from Booker T. and Genius T. side by side. Lotsa laffs. All in fun though, no mean-spirited intent.

    But I got to stop this foolishness and look for a job.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    But I got to stop this foolishness and look for a job.

    Hey, we have the same mantra.

  78. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    In case you haven’t noticed, if you took away the very last thing African Americans had to complain about, they’d never forgive you.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Harry Baldwin

    Well then the gloves would be off, and that would be a clear thing too. No confusion.

  79. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.”

    http://www.steynonline.com/7440/second-degree-bern

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @ATX Hipster

    "Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.”"

    He shouldn't have avoided women, but he should have denied them his essence.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @MC, @Jim Don Bob

  80. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    How would you ensure finality?

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Good question. I'm assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support. At the very least it could be pointed to as "that was reparations, it's done".

    Of course the opposite could also hold, as we have seen with Jewish reparations. Just today came the announcement that a 94 year old man is to be put on trial for death camp etc. etc.

    Really though I think the larger background issue is the shift in demographics - globally as well as nationally - and the concurrent shift in resource control. Bluntly, whites are shrinking as a percentage, it's just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    How would you ensure finality?
     
    Repatriation.
  81. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under [black resentment related to slavery].

    It’s a thought. Here’s an experiment that might help you get a handle on the characters involved:
    1. Get a job at Subway making sandwiches.
    2. Wait on 100 (or so) average black chicks.
    3. Report your findings re: the likelihood of a well-reasoned, mutually agreed-upon solution to any problem, no matter how inconsequential.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Daniel Williams

    I take your point.

  82. @Twinkie
    I just don't understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one's actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    Agree, and in addition you must realize, however dimly, that you’re being patronized, which is humiliating.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Harry Baldwin


    Agree, and in addition you must realize, however dimly, that you’re being patronized, which is humiliating.
     
    I think you both vastly overestimate the mental acuity, not to mention the character, of both Genius T. and his milieu.

    These are people who cannot afford to risk self-awareness.
  83. @Harry Baldwin
    @gruff

    In case you haven't noticed, if you took away the very last thing African Americans had to complain about, they'd never forgive you.

    Replies: @gruff

    Well then the gloves would be off, and that would be a clear thing too. No confusion.

  84. @boogerbently
    @Seamus Padraig

    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the "black vote" is a media ploy.

    Replies: @Clyde

    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the “black vote” is a media ploy.

    I personally saw a huge black pre-voting (pre-election day) turnout by blacks in 2008 for Obama. It seemed like they were all voting early to be sure there were no glitches. They may not have voted in years. They may have changed addresses. They may have never voted. But they were there early just to be sure their vote counted.
    Old bag Hillary will not come close to generating this kind of black turnout. Obama was a once in a lifetime. Hopefully!!!

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Clyde

    " They may have changed addresses. They may have never voted. But they were there early just to be sure their vote counted."

    Or, that's when the busses ran.

  85. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @gruff


    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.
     
    How would you ensure finality?

    Replies: @gruff, @Reg Cæsar

    Good question. I’m assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support. At the very least it could be pointed to as “that was reparations, it’s done”.

    Of course the opposite could also hold, as we have seen with Jewish reparations. Just today came the announcement that a 94 year old man is to be put on trial for death camp etc. etc.

    Really though I think the larger background issue is the shift in demographics – globally as well as nationally – and the concurrent shift in resource control. Bluntly, whites are shrinking as a percentage, it’s just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @gruff

    I’m assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support.

    That would change nothing, especially since the future will be minority rights uber alles.

    At the very least it could be pointed to as “that was reparations, it’s done”.

    Which will placate no one.

    There are many problems with reparations. Should we even agree that slavery was wrong, considering that it has been a robust human institution since forever? The current Black leadership/community has no good will toward making reparations some kind of final statement. It would be another step to even more, grander transfer payments.

    ...it’s just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL

    In a competitive world, I wouldn't bet against Whites. The "jackals" you refer to are just so much wood that depend upon the care and feeding of the Welfare State. I wouldn't bet on them long term.

    Replies: @gruff, @neon2

  86. @SPMoore8
    Interesting to note that TNC was asked for his opinion on the Democratic primary, and the best he could come up with was that 20 years ago Hilary Clinton used a word that triggered him. This is not exactly what I would expect from someone who aspires to be "America's most foremost public intellectual."

    It's hard to conceive of the political-cultural climate becoming any more moronic.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Well get ready for two more transitions. The first will be morons to imbeciles. Morons (clinically) have an IQ of 51-70. Imbeciles have IQs of 26-50. The second will be from imbeciles to idiots. Idiots have IQs of 0-25.

    Trust me, idiocy is the destination. Moronic political-cultural climate? That will look like paradise if the democrat party trajectory continues. Minimize the damage – support Trump

    But even if Trump fails, finally, when all alternatives have been exhausted, even the idiots on the Left will throw in the towel.

  87. @Anon
    "Nobody actually called Genius himself a 'superpredator.' The other black kids called him 'Urkel' and the like before punching him, which was the fault of FDR’s racist redlining."

    Weaker black kids may be set upon by stronger black kids, and there may be some fear associated with this... but also pride.
    After all, we do identify by race. So, even if black kids act like thugs, they be acting tough and strong. So, even if the Hissy Coates was sometimes pushed around by them, he also exulted in their black power.

    If a white kid is bullied by blacks, he is totally defeated as both individual and whitey.
    But if a black kid is bullied by blacks, he is defeated as an individual but may feel a bit of pride in that blacks are so tough.

    We see such toady behavior among whites too. After all, plenty of toady whites hang around as sidekicks to bigger stronger whites. Even as they get pushed around, they feel flattered that they are part of the tough guy community.

    Guys like Spike Flea and The Hissy Coates feel something strange in relation to blacks. They are smarter than most Negroes and creative or 'intellectual'(if not exactly genius). And their interests don't appeal to most Negroes who be into rap, sports, and thuggery. So, someone like Flea and Hissy would have been nowhere without white support since white Libs are more into art cinema and social 'philosophy'. And on some level, Flea and Hissy must be grateful to whites. But they also feel like buppie sellouts who butter their bread by appealing to white bread.

    So, they make a big fuss about how they be black, proud, and angry too.
    But in fact, most blacks don't care about what they're into. And Flea and Hissy would be safer among whites and even white cops than among da brothaz and sistaz.
    But this makes them feel like sellouts.

    Also, even they fear black fury and rage, they are proud of it cuz it's so badass. They wouldn't want to live blacks thugs, but they is proud that black thugs are the alphas of American Culture.

    Flea and Hissy are impressed by black thuggery and want to be associated with its badass power.
    But then, they are also sensitive about blacks being thought of as 'thugs' cuz that be 'racist'.

    Blacks love Thug Pride but don't want to be called thugs.

    It's like feminists now...

    love Slut Pride but don't want to be called sluts.

    And Jews love chutzpah pride(and take great joy in running circles around goyim) but don't want to be seen as pushy Jews.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    > But if a black kid is bullied by blacks, he is defeated as an individual but may feel a bit of pride in that blacks are so tough.

    Maybe, but only if he isn’t a pussy. Ha-Na-Prissy Coates is a pussy.

  88. @JVO
    @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shifted because Cadillac was making absolutely terrible slow, unreliable, and ugly cars that were still quite expensive for the time.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, they shifted because Cadillac was making absolutely terrible slow, unreliable, and ugly cars that were still quite expensive for the time.

    I take it you’re not in the UAW.

  89. I am of that generation of super predators

    You and Ben Carson.

    Can we get the two of you in the ring?

  90. @Twinkie
    I just don't understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one's actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    I just don’t understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status

    Are you kidding? We put their role model in the White House. Twice.

  91. @Harry Baldwin
    @Twinkie

    Agree, and in addition you must realize, however dimly, that you're being patronized, which is humiliating.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Agree, and in addition you must realize, however dimly, that you’re being patronized, which is humiliating.

    I think you both vastly overestimate the mental acuity, not to mention the character, of both Genius T. and his milieu.

    These are people who cannot afford to risk self-awareness.

  92. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    And much better if we could have just eliminated all the vice in humanity. Yep, that is it. And now let us all chant “yes, we can!”

    But you must know that there will never be a “final settlement” – if you could ensure its finality you would have widespread support.

    TNC has already said that reparations won’t be enough. Whatever you offer, whatever you provide, whatever they take, it won’t be enough. There are too many on the left that make too much money for them to accept a final settlement. It would remove their reason to reap their financial benefits.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I assume the status quo does not satisfy you. Do you have any suggestions as to how to proceed? Reg Caesar suggests repatriation - I would support that, but it's not "electable" at the moment. Separation? Some Black Autumn characters seem to lean in that direction - I would support that too.

    Replies: @bomag

  93. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @gruff


    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.
     
    How would you ensure finality?

    Replies: @gruff, @Reg Cæsar

    How would you ensure finality?

    Repatriation.

  94. @SPMoore8
    @Ivy

    When Clinton passes on, I'm not sure if lowering the flag to half mast will be such a positive tribute.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “When Clinton passes on, I’m not sure if lowering the flag to half mast will be such a positive tribute.”

    In his memory, his followers should lower their pants.

  95. @Paul Mendez
    Don't forget that Hillary had more black support then Obama in 2007. They did not know what to make of the half-white guy with the funny name. Most blacks are low information voters who go by name recognition. They also tend to be brand loyal. For example, blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.

    It was only when Obama started winning primaries (thanks to white antiwar voters) that blacks started to take him seriously.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams

    On the day that Obama announced his candidacy (in early 2007), a middle-aged talented-tenth black woman who I knew at the time told me that a) he didn’t stand a chance and b) there would never be a black president in her lifetime. She reiterated her full support for Hillary.

    By the time the primaries got underway in ’08, we had lost touch, so I never got to see her “conversion,” if any.

    One black woman who boarded the Obama train early on was Oprah. In late September 2006, Larry King asked her about a man who was trying to get her to run for president. (Her lawyers forced him to stop.) She said that the man should take all of his energy and pour it into Obama, her “favorite senator” and a man who she hoped would run for president.

    A few weeks later, she had Barry and Michelle on her show, and again endorsed him as The One. This was in October 2006, mind you.

    The first time I ever heard the name “Obama” was while watching the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He gave the keynote speech.

    Afterward, the television commentators were falling all over themselves to tell us how wonderfully he’d read the words from the TelePrompTer. “This man could be president one day,” they said. And they were right.

    Like Obama, Bill Clinton launched his national political career with a high-profile speaking engagement on prime-time television at a Democratic convention. Clinton’s big moment came in 1988.

    Unlike Obama, Clinton botched his speech so badly – he droned on and on and on – that, when he said, “In conclusion,” the delegates gave him their biggest cheer of the week. But by the time the ’92 primary season rolled around, even the few folks who remembered that embarrassing episode had long since ceased to care.

    • Replies: @Discard
    @Stan Adams

    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15. That act alone, on the part of an adult, should have been enough to blacklist him from public life forever. Kind of like that Black guy who took Taylor Swift's mike at the Grammys a few years ago. Loathsome and intolerable.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    , @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

  96. @Daniel Williams
    @gruff


    A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under [black resentment related to slavery].
     
    It's a thought. Here's an experiment that might help you get a handle on the characters involved:
    1. Get a job at Subway making sandwiches.
    2. Wait on 100 (or so) average black chicks.
    3. Report your findings re: the likelihood of a well-reasoned, mutually agreed-upon solution to any problem, no matter how inconsequential.

    Replies: @gruff

    I take your point.

  97. Shouldn’t someone tell Bernie that the banking class is hurting? For instance, at San Francisco Golf Club they’ve eliminated the ball washers. If they can’t even afford suds, howya gonna tax ’em 90%? Be fair.

  98. @Twinkie
    I just don't understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one's actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    “For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one’s actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades.”

    The incompetent overestimate their own abilities. By their own lights, they probably think they deserve the praise.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Mr. Anon

    Dunning–Kruger effect


    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.
     
  99. Imagine the trauma of the eight-year-old Master Coates taken to Disney World, or its Baltimore counterpart, visiting the gift shop, and viewing the giant racks of bicycle license plates:

    https://www.ssa.gov/oact/babynames/decades/names1970s.html

    There is no “Ta-Nehisi”!

    It’s been downhill from there.

  100. @ATX Hipster
    @Ivy

    Mark Steyn's theory is that Bill's interns have "literally sucked all the life out of him."

    http://www.steynonline.com/7440/second-degree-bern

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.””

    He shouldn’t have avoided women, but he should have denied them his essence.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @Mr. Anon

    "Feed me, Mandrake!"

    , @MC
    @Mr. Anon

    You are a hero.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Mr. Anon

    POE.

  101. “only from the mind of Tennessee”

    Grand Ole Opry?
    Jack Daniel’s.

    I just wonder what this feels like to be rejected by your own people and now be forced to depend upon others to get elected. That, in and of itself, is almost an indictment against the candidate who can’t even take their own demographic, isn’t it?

    Not if your demo is hideously white.

    I just don’t understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one’s actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    Projection.

  102. @inertial
    @George Taylor

    Bernie should promise to introduce a tax on white privilege. He will shore up his black support and get enough revenue to fund any program he likes. Mr. Coats would approve.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Bernie should promise to introduce a tax on white privilege.

    That would be the equivalent of Rand Paul taxing horse farms, Ted Cruz taxing cattle and oil, or Marco Rubio taxing theme parks, cigars and stucco.

  103. iSteveFan says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @iSteveFan

    "If she had connected with other white, American gentiles, she’d have this in the bag."

    There simply aren't that many white gentiles left in the Democratic party. The vast majority now vote Republican or aren't affiliated with either party. If you want to see SC's white voters next week, check out the GOP primary.

    Said it before, will say it again. This November, Hillary will lose the white vote by ca.70% (to 30%). Numbers wise, there simply aren't that many white voters who vote reliably Democratic anymore. Those in the middle aren't going for Hillary in any massive numerical way. Why should they vote for her? If the Donald wins the nomination and goes all out to win the White House, he will carry the white vote ca. 70%.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    There simply aren’t that many white gentiles left in the Democratic party.

    Is that true? Blacks make up about 24 percent of the democrat vote. I assume hispanics are much less than that. I imagine whites still make up over 50 percent of democrat voters, but I could be wrong.

  104. Amusingly, in all the years I spent in Boulder, Colo. not once did I see a black person on MLK Jr. Day.

    It’s also doubtful that I saw any during the entirety of any Black History Month.

  105. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @gruff


    It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.
     
    And much better if we could have just eliminated all the vice in humanity. Yep, that is it. And now let us all chant "yes, we can!"

    But you must know that there will never be a "final settlement" - if you could ensure its finality you would have widespread support.

    TNC has already said that reparations won't be enough. Whatever you offer, whatever you provide, whatever they take, it won't be enough. There are too many on the left that make too much money for them to accept a final settlement. It would remove their reason to reap their financial benefits.

    Replies: @gruff

    I assume the status quo does not satisfy you. Do you have any suggestions as to how to proceed? Reg Caesar suggests repatriation – I would support that, but it’s not “electable” at the moment. Separation? Some Black Autumn characters seem to lean in that direction – I would support that too.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @gruff

    Separation appears to be the practical course.

    Your sentiment here is that we can have a democratic agreement on these matters, while what this does is highlight the failings of democracy. The other side wants no solution; they are not willing to work to make things better. They are just agitating and grabbing what they can. It's been 50 years on since the civil rights era, and things are better just in the way that things have gotten better anyway from tech advance, etc. The political agreements of that time have probably made things worse in the sense that it has created a statutory framework that can be gamed and abused in the usual ways. The way forward is separation by groups of like minded people via unilateral action.

  106. @gruff
    @Anonymous

    I just finished reading Coates's "Case for Reparations" and what he actually proposes is that John Conyers's HR40 be passed. This bill calls for the appointment of a commission to study the history and legacy of slavery, and then "recommend appropriate remedies."

    I don't think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I'm sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it's shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.

    As is well known, blacks have a lot of resentment around slavery and subsequent events. I would too if I were black. This resentment is not going to disappear when the Oscars become 38% black by quota (my prediction), anymore than it did when BHO got elected, or re-elected. A public and final settlement might be just the thing to pull the rug out from under it.

    And consider this: "appropriate remedies" might turn out to mean any number of things, not just payoffs.

    It might turn out to mean political separation.

    Would that be so bad?

    Replies: @San Joaquin Sam, @Harry Baldwin, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Daniel Williams, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Realist

    “I don’t think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I’m sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it’s shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent.”

    I agree this country would be much better off if slavery had never existed here.

    The luckiest blacks on this planet are the descendants of slaves in this country.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Realist

    American Blacks are much luckier than the progeny of those Westafricans who were not brought to the USA, and they are also luckier than the progeny of those Westafricans who were not brought to the USA but to other places in the New World, the Carribean or South America. But I don´t see how they are luckier than Subsaharan Africans who live in Western Europe today. Those in western Europe enjoy the same living standard and the same disproportional fame, success on the partner market, success in professional sports, success in the media etc. like American Blacks

  107. @Polynices
    Gotta love how many sentences that excerpt uses to explain to the reader how awesome and well known and amazing Coates is. Seems to me that actual amazing people don't need such a long explanation of who they are and why they're amazing when you write about them.

    Replies: @Discard

    The Donald doesn’t need any long intro. How awesome and amazing must he be?

  108. @Reg Cæsar
    @Paul Mendez


    ...blacks stuck with Cadillac long after whites started shifting to foreign luxury cars.
     
    Whites shifted (ha!) to foreign luxury models because blacks loved Caddys so much.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @JVO, @Discard

    I have read that during the 1930s, Cadillac would not allow its dealers to sell to Blacks, lest they diminish the name’s prestige. Rich Blacks had to get them second hand through straw buyers.

    While I’m at it, I don’t suppose that the phrase “Jew Canoe” did much for sales either.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Discard

    I remember reading an article in a British car magazine around twenty years ago about the author's experience at an English BMW dealership. He said he called with his wife and children and was casually dressed. The salesman wouldn't entertain his enquiries about buying a car, saying BMW were rather particular about whom they sold their products to. If I remember rightly, he said he wrote a letter of complaint to the company but received no reply.

  109. @International Jew

    Yamiche Alcindor
     
    Any relation to Lou?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Callowman

    Lew, not Lou. Rhymes with Jew.

  110. @Thea
    @AP

    Has a Vice President ever decided an election?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ed

    Johnson in 1960?

  111. @Stan Adams
    @Paul Mendez

    On the day that Obama announced his candidacy (in early 2007), a middle-aged talented-tenth black woman who I knew at the time told me that a) he didn't stand a chance and b) there would never be a black president in her lifetime. She reiterated her full support for Hillary.

    By the time the primaries got underway in '08, we had lost touch, so I never got to see her "conversion," if any.

    One black woman who boarded the Obama train early on was Oprah. In late September 2006, Larry King asked her about a man who was trying to get her to run for president. (Her lawyers forced him to stop.) She said that the man should take all of his energy and pour it into Obama, her "favorite senator" and a man who she hoped would run for president.

    A few weeks later, she had Barry and Michelle on her show, and again endorsed him as The One. This was in October 2006, mind you.

    The first time I ever heard the name "Obama" was while watching the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He gave the keynote speech.

    Afterward, the television commentators were falling all over themselves to tell us how wonderfully he'd read the words from the TelePrompTer. "This man could be president one day," they said. And they were right.

    Like Obama, Bill Clinton launched his national political career with a high-profile speaking engagement on prime-time television at a Democratic convention. Clinton's big moment came in 1988.

    Unlike Obama, Clinton botched his speech so badly - he droned on and on and on - that, when he said, "In conclusion," the delegates gave him their biggest cheer of the week. But by the time the '92 primary season rolled around, even the few folks who remembered that embarrassing episode had long since ceased to care.

    Replies: @Discard, @DCThrowback

    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15. That act alone, on the part of an adult, should have been enough to blacklist him from public life forever. Kind of like that Black guy who took Taylor Swift’s mike at the Grammys a few years ago. Loathsome and intolerable.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Discard


    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15.
     
    Those Arkansas tent revival preachers didn't get the big altar calls by going short.
    , @AndrewR
    @Discard

    I don't like Kanye either but referring to him as "that black guy" just sounds dumb. We all know his name.

  112. @Pseudonymic Handle
    @Ivy

    He looks 96, not 69.

    https://gfycat.com/AffectionateFatherlyCrayfish

    Replies: @Olorin, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Ay caramba!

    He looks like C. Montgomery Burns as Dracula in Treehouse of Horror IV.

    All that cattin’ around appears to have destroyed his immune system.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  113. @Anon
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/10/no-ifs-or-buts-german-gov-backs-massive-pro-mass-migration-propaganda-campaign/

    German flag with black paint.

    If one didn't know it's meant to be anti-nationalist propaganda, it could easily be mistaken for pro-nationalist propaganda warning of the darkening of Germany.

    According to PC logic, the German soul is dark because German skin is white. For the German soul to grow white, German skin must grow dark.

    PC Soul Purism is the new supremacism.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Wonder which billboard cabal is getting the revenues on those 600 “billboard adverts” as well as the tens of thousands of stickers and postcards.

    The black paint dripping down to erase the German flag is simply one of the most chilling propaganda images I’ve seen in my lifetime.

    Then to claim that the paint is the “German dark side”–(((oy!))).

    The campaign is run by Germany’s “Ministry for Families, Seniors, Women and Youth.”

    IOW the agency most in charge of wage and savings redistribution from white Germans to every panhandler who arrives demanding gibs.

    Also from the older Germans to the younger: if they were targeting younger Germans, this campaign would be done entirely via new media. Even the poor pathetic Moose Limb chilllldrunnnn are arriving with fully functioning smartphones.

    More fomenting of division, in this case intergenerational.

  114. Genius T. Coates is never not funny and gets better with age.

    The term Super Predator still “chills me when I hear it”….the rape and murder of the family of 5 not so much….

    Ben Jealous….lol…another great ISteve nickname – who are you referring to though?….

  115. Why Ben, why would you go on this show? Wasn’t 82% of you just screaming it was a bad idea???

  116. @International Jew

    Yamiche Alcindor
     
    Any relation to Lou?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Callowman

    Disappointingly, the Internet says no, Yamiche Alcindor is not related to Lew.

  117. @Discard
    @Reg Cæsar

    I have read that during the 1930s, Cadillac would not allow its dealers to sell to Blacks, lest they diminish the name's prestige. Rich Blacks had to get them second hand through straw buyers.

    While I'm at it, I don't suppose that the phrase "Jew Canoe" did much for sales either.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I remember reading an article in a British car magazine around twenty years ago about the author’s experience at an English BMW dealership. He said he called with his wife and children and was casually dressed. The salesman wouldn’t entertain his enquiries about buying a car, saying BMW were rather particular about whom they sold their products to. If I remember rightly, he said he wrote a letter of complaint to the company but received no reply.

  118. @Connecticut Famer
    @Ivy

    The Husband of Record croaks shortly before November...Hillary swoons...and gets the sympathy vote ("He felt your pain, America, and paid the ultimate price"). There's a triple play for ya.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Wow. If he died a couple weeks before the election she would win in a landslide. Hell, they could just fake his death. Small price to pay to get her back into the WH.

  119. @AP
    I had a thought about Bernie choosing Webb as his running mate. This would cut into some of Trump's working class white support. Would Coates be offended?

    Replies: @Thea, @Sam Haysom

    This James Webb as working class hero meme needs to die. It’s beyond ridicolous- Jim Webb has maybe 1 percent name recognition among working class voters. He’s a terrible politician, with terrible stage presence who won his only election thanks to the Washington Post creating a meme about macacca being some beyond the pale term of abuse.

  120. @Discard
    @Stan Adams

    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15. That act alone, on the part of an adult, should have been enough to blacklist him from public life forever. Kind of like that Black guy who took Taylor Swift's mike at the Grammys a few years ago. Loathsome and intolerable.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15.

    Those Arkansas tent revival preachers didn’t get the big altar calls by going short.

  121. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie

    "For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one’s actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades."

    The incompetent overestimate their own abilities. By their own lights, they probably think they deserve the praise.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Dunning–Kruger effect

    The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which relatively unskilled persons suffer illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability to be much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their own ineptitude and evaluate their own ability accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: highly skilled individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others.

  122. I strongly suspect this “non-endorsement” endorsement of Sanders runs afoul of the Beltway liberals who made this guy. It’ll be interesting to watch his career from this point on.

  123. “Benjamin T. Jealous” sounds as sarcastic a name as “Genius T. Coates.”

  124. @Realist
    @gruff

    "I don’t think this is entirely crazy. Slavery really existed, and really has caused a lot of trouble in this country. I’m sure most commenters here have read the original draft of the Constitution; it’s shot through with slavery-caused distortions and compromises. It would be a much better document had slavery never existed on this continent."

    I agree this country would be much better off if slavery had never existed here.

    The luckiest blacks on this planet are the descendants of slaves in this country.

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

    American Blacks are much luckier than the progeny of those Westafricans who were not brought to the USA, and they are also luckier than the progeny of those Westafricans who were not brought to the USA but to other places in the New World, the Carribean or South America. But I don´t see how they are luckier than Subsaharan Africans who live in Western Europe today. Those in western Europe enjoy the same living standard and the same disproportional fame, success on the partner market, success in professional sports, success in the media etc. like American Blacks

  125. @Anonymous
    @Chiron

    Indeed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Oh my god. This is the most unintentionally funny thing I have probably ever seen.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR

    The other video it linked to, where the nervous blond boy in the spelling bee was given the word "negus", was also unintentionally funny, if you 're a sadist. You could just imagine what third rail the kid had in his mind.

  126. @Discard
    @Stan Adams

    I remember that speech, and thinking that he was an incredible windbag without an ounce of regard for others. He was given 45 minutes and went on for a hour and 15. That act alone, on the part of an adult, should have been enough to blacklist him from public life forever. Kind of like that Black guy who took Taylor Swift's mike at the Grammys a few years ago. Loathsome and intolerable.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AndrewR

    I don’t like Kanye either but referring to him as “that black guy” just sounds dumb. We all know his name.

  127. @Pseudonymic Handle
    @Ivy

    He looks 96, not 69.

    https://gfycat.com/AffectionateFatherlyCrayfish

    Replies: @Olorin, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Wow. Serious wasting.

  128. @gruff
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Good question. I'm assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support. At the very least it could be pointed to as "that was reparations, it's done".

    Of course the opposite could also hold, as we have seen with Jewish reparations. Just today came the announcement that a 94 year old man is to be put on trial for death camp etc. etc.

    Really though I think the larger background issue is the shift in demographics - globally as well as nationally - and the concurrent shift in resource control. Bluntly, whites are shrinking as a percentage, it's just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Replies: @bomag

    I’m assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support.

    That would change nothing, especially since the future will be minority rights uber alles.

    At the very least it could be pointed to as “that was reparations, it’s done”.

    Which will placate no one.

    There are many problems with reparations. Should we even agree that slavery was wrong, considering that it has been a robust human institution since forever? The current Black leadership/community has no good will toward making reparations some kind of final statement. It would be another step to even more, grander transfer payments.

    …it’s just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL

    In a competitive world, I wouldn’t bet against Whites. The “jackals” you refer to are just so much wood that depend upon the care and feeding of the Welfare State. I wouldn’t bet on them long term.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @bomag


    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL
     
    No I am saying that demands for reparations, rights, migrant Lebensraum etc. are due to demographic shifts.
    , @neon2
    @bomag

    You're right. The last has not been heard from us, not by a very long shot.

    There are simply no people like us, not the Chinese, not the Japanese, not even the Jews.

    We are the creators; they, the imitators and the interpreters; the inspiration has always come from us.

    The reaction, already firmly in place in Eastern Europe and Russia, is building in the West, thanks to the madness of Merkel.

    Who would have predicted Trump a year ago? Europe is about to deliver the same surprise.

  129. @Ivy
    Bill Clinton appears to have been in declining health over the past few months. More upsetting news like TNC, on the heels of New Hampshire results, could influence the over/under on whether his health holds out until November.

    Replies: @Pseudonymic Handle, @Kylie, @SPMoore8, @Connecticut Famer, @ATX Hipster, @Johnnygeo

    Would a Bill health crisis benefit Hillary via sympathy vote? If so he probably shouldn’t go buying any green bananas.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @Johnnygeo

    Maybe she's poisoning him... hit 2 birds with 1 stone...

  130. @Desiderius
    @Joe Magarac


    That’ll bring in the White post-modernist ethnomasochists.
     
    They're not ethnomasochists, they're ideosadists.

    Replies: @Joe Magarac

    They’re not ethnomasochists, they’re ideosadists.

    Hey I just learned a new word!

    They are both, but I like your word better 😉

  131. When Coates was suddenly “discovered” by The Times et al, he was described as on the verge of migrating to France.

    What happened, Monsieur Coates?

    My guess: he likes the flow of royalties and his celebrity.

  132. @Stan Adams
    @Paul Mendez

    On the day that Obama announced his candidacy (in early 2007), a middle-aged talented-tenth black woman who I knew at the time told me that a) he didn't stand a chance and b) there would never be a black president in her lifetime. She reiterated her full support for Hillary.

    By the time the primaries got underway in '08, we had lost touch, so I never got to see her "conversion," if any.

    One black woman who boarded the Obama train early on was Oprah. In late September 2006, Larry King asked her about a man who was trying to get her to run for president. (Her lawyers forced him to stop.) She said that the man should take all of his energy and pour it into Obama, her "favorite senator" and a man who she hoped would run for president.

    A few weeks later, she had Barry and Michelle on her show, and again endorsed him as The One. This was in October 2006, mind you.

    The first time I ever heard the name "Obama" was while watching the 2004 Democratic National Convention. He gave the keynote speech.

    Afterward, the television commentators were falling all over themselves to tell us how wonderfully he'd read the words from the TelePrompTer. "This man could be president one day," they said. And they were right.

    Like Obama, Bill Clinton launched his national political career with a high-profile speaking engagement on prime-time television at a Democratic convention. Clinton's big moment came in 1988.

    Unlike Obama, Clinton botched his speech so badly - he droned on and on and on - that, when he said, "In conclusion," the delegates gave him their biggest cheer of the week. But by the time the '92 primary season rolled around, even the few folks who remembered that embarrassing episode had long since ceased to care.

    Replies: @Discard, @DCThrowback

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA’s activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to “selected” by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in ’92 as the “Comeback Kid”.

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @DCThrowback

    "Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA’s activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to “selected” by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in ’92 as the “Comeback Kid”. "

    I think in terms of the Deep State the 1992 election was a real turning point, probably having something to do with the Cold War having ended. For the first time they could get one of their own compromised pols elected President instead of having to deal with whoever the existing electoral system threw up.

    There have been three two term presidents in a row after that, none of them (and yes, this includes Clinton) particularly popular, and I've wondered why more isn't made of this. The only other times something like this happened in US history were the "Virginia dynasty" of 1801-25, which was mostly due to the Federalists not being that into contesting elections and gradually fading away, and FDR's four terms followed by Truman and Eisenhower, when the US arguably reached its apex.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @DCThrowback

    Yep. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but there was a lot of odd stuff that went on at Mena that has never been explained.

    , @Stan Adams
    @DCThrowback

    Yeah, the drug smuggling and all of that lovely stuff.

    (He snorted more than a little cocaine himself.)

    And he's a Rockefeller (or so they say).

    , @tbraton
    @DCThrowback

    "after a 3rd place finish in NH in ’92 as the “Comeback Kid”. "

    Actually, I believe he finished second to Paul Tsongas in NH before the Washington Post proclaimed the next day in a headline "Tsongas and Clinton Win New Hampshire Primary." (I'm not sure if other papers picked up and repeated the same idea.) I believe it was Bill Clinton himself who proclaimed himself "the comeback kid."

    , @Neoconned
    @DCThrowback

    Commenting on his Dark Alliance series of articles, Gary Webb wrote that Mena is where the CIA brought its cocaine up from central america, and that Bill Clinton knew what was going on. There were too many powerful people who would have been brought down had Webb not been destroyed by the WA Post/NY Times/LA Times, etc. The same papers and a lot of the same writers tried to give Greenwald the same treatment for the snowden story, but the internet and social media were the great equalizer. It reminds me of how buchanan was destroyed in 96 by the elites, but the internet has allowed trump to fire back.

    How sad is it that Webb was reduced to suicide while Bubba got to live the high life?

  133. @bomag
    @gruff

    I’m assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support.

    That would change nothing, especially since the future will be minority rights uber alles.

    At the very least it could be pointed to as “that was reparations, it’s done”.

    Which will placate no one.

    There are many problems with reparations. Should we even agree that slavery was wrong, considering that it has been a robust human institution since forever? The current Black leadership/community has no good will toward making reparations some kind of final statement. It would be another step to even more, grander transfer payments.

    ...it’s just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL

    In a competitive world, I wouldn't bet against Whites. The "jackals" you refer to are just so much wood that depend upon the care and feeding of the Welfare State. I wouldn't bet on them long term.

    Replies: @gruff, @neon2

    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL

    No I am saying that demands for reparations, rights, migrant Lebensraum etc. are due to demographic shifts.

  134. @Mr. Anon
    @ATX Hipster

    "Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.”"

    He shouldn't have avoided women, but he should have denied them his essence.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @MC, @Jim Don Bob

    “Feed me, Mandrake!”

  135. @Reg Cæsar
    @iSteveFan


    I have always wondered what it feels like to know that the only way you can win an election is due to the support of people from a different racial or ethnic group.
     
    FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it.

    Replies: @Ed

    “FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it.” (# 46)

    This is probably overly pedantic, but FDR wasn’t a Yankee. Unless you are using the term in the sense of “northerner”, and in that case he wasn’t trounced in those states.

    • Replies: @neon2
    @Ed

    Quite true, in both respects.
    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician, and had none of the Yankee down-to-earth honesty and good-sense of a Coolidge.
    The people who "trounced' him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
    Alas.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  136. @Ed
    He is unknown outside of South Carolina, but the key endorsement in that primary there would be from Jim Clyburn. He is both the only Democratic Congressman from South Carolina and and one of two African-Americans in the state's congressional delegation (the other is a Republican Senator who won't be endorsing a Democrat). His endorsement would give Sanders a boost, and he doesn't think much of the Clintons so its possible.

    Replies: @Ed

    The Congressional Black Caucus just endorsed Clinton, so my semi-prediction in #55 turned out to be incorrect.

  137. @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

    “Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA’s activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to “selected” by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in ’92 as the “Comeback Kid”. ”

    I think in terms of the Deep State the 1992 election was a real turning point, probably having something to do with the Cold War having ended. For the first time they could get one of their own compromised pols elected President instead of having to deal with whoever the existing electoral system threw up.

    There have been three two term presidents in a row after that, none of them (and yes, this includes Clinton) particularly popular, and I’ve wondered why more isn’t made of this. The only other times something like this happened in US history were the “Virginia dynasty” of 1801-25, which was mostly due to the Federalists not being that into contesting elections and gradually fading away, and FDR’s four terms followed by Truman and Eisenhower, when the US arguably reached its apex.

  138. @Thea
    @AP

    Has a Vice President ever decided an election?

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ed

    “Has a Vice President ever decided an election?”

    The Eagleton pick in 1972 came pretty close. Despite the problems with their convention that year, McGovern still got a bounce and was polling decently against Nixon (he also polled better against Nixon than his opponents in the primaries). After the Eagleton pick and replacement, the public simply correctly included that the McGovern was incompetent. It didn’t decide the election because he probably still would have lost, but it wouldn’t have been a landslide.

    The selection is important because its really the first major decision the public gets to see the candidate makes. The rule should be “don’t screw it up”. Chose someone who is believable as President. The worst picks have been gimmick picks, designed to win the news cycle for a few days.

  139. @ATX Hipster

    Have all that many South Carolina blacks actually heard of Genius T. Coates? I would guess he has more fans per capita in Boulder, Colo.
     
    It's OK to be soft on crime when your town is 94% white & Asian and has the most PhD's per capita in the country. Laxity seems not to work as well in towns like, say, Baltimore for some reason.

    I can't be too hard on Boulder, since I'm moving back there in a few months after a decade away. What can I say? I miss being accosted several times a day to sign petitions for higher wages for Indonesian shoe factory workers.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Boulder, like Austin Texas, was a nice place in the 70s. Then the hippies decided to stay.

  140. @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

    Yep. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but there was a lot of odd stuff that went on at Mena that has never been explained.

  141. Or as we call him around my house, “Tennessee Coates”.

  142. @Mr. Anon
    @ATX Hipster

    "Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.”"

    He shouldn't have avoided women, but he should have denied them his essence.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @MC, @Jim Don Bob

    You are a hero.

    • Agree: Vendetta
  143. @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

    Yeah, the drug smuggling and all of that lovely stuff.

    (He snorted more than a little cocaine himself.)

    And he’s a Rockefeller (or so they say).

  144. I have absolutely no interest in giving Mr. Coates — a fifth-rate James Baldwin (and James Baldwin wasn’t even particularly good) — fair play.

    I do have to ask, however, that as we constantly refer to him as a “genius” in these parts, has Mr. Coates himself every claimed to be one?

    I honestly doubt he is that delusional, but am more than happy to be proved wrong.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @celt darnell

    No, he's never claimed he's a genius.

    Everybody else claims he is.

    Replies: @celt darnell

  145. @Clyde
    @boogerbently


    12% of the population, that are too lazy to vote.
    I think the “black vote” is a media ploy.
     
    I personally saw a huge black pre-voting (pre-election day) turnout by blacks in 2008 for Obama. It seemed like they were all voting early to be sure there were no glitches. They may not have voted in years. They may have changed addresses. They may have never voted. But they were there early just to be sure their vote counted.
    Old bag Hillary will not come close to generating this kind of black turnout. Obama was a once in a lifetime. Hopefully!!!

    Replies: @boogerbently

    ” They may have changed addresses. They may have never voted. But they were there early just to be sure their vote counted.”

    Or, that’s when the busses ran.

  146. @celt darnell
    I have absolutely no interest in giving Mr. Coates -- a fifth-rate James Baldwin (and James Baldwin wasn't even particularly good) -- fair play.

    I do have to ask, however, that as we constantly refer to him as a "genius" in these parts, has Mr. Coates himself every claimed to be one?

    I honestly doubt he is that delusional, but am more than happy to be proved wrong.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    No, he’s never claimed he’s a genius.

    Everybody else claims he is.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @Steve Sailer

    The age of delusions or mendacity?

    It's surely one or the other.

  147. @bomag
    @gruff

    I’m assuming that a Conyers-sponsored bill and the resulting conclusions would get majority black support.

    That would change nothing, especially since the future will be minority rights uber alles.

    At the very least it could be pointed to as “that was reparations, it’s done”.

    Which will placate no one.

    There are many problems with reparations. Should we even agree that slavery was wrong, considering that it has been a robust human institution since forever? The current Black leadership/community has no good will toward making reparations some kind of final statement. It would be another step to even more, grander transfer payments.

    ...it’s just a matter of time before we lose control of the majority of resources in an increasingly competitive world, and jackals smell this and are moving in.

    Are you saying Whites should pay before they disappear? LOL

    In a competitive world, I wouldn't bet against Whites. The "jackals" you refer to are just so much wood that depend upon the care and feeding of the Welfare State. I wouldn't bet on them long term.

    Replies: @gruff, @neon2

    You’re right. The last has not been heard from us, not by a very long shot.

    There are simply no people like us, not the Chinese, not the Japanese, not even the Jews.

    We are the creators; they, the imitators and the interpreters; the inspiration has always come from us.

    The reaction, already firmly in place in Eastern Europe and Russia, is building in the West, thanks to the madness of Merkel.

    Who would have predicted Trump a year ago? Europe is about to deliver the same surprise.

  148. In the old days, and certainly as late as the 1990s, the only blacks to be seen on the Monterey Peninsula were an occasional guard at the gates into Pebble Beach. Even their presence was controversial, at least in the circles I moved in.
    I’m not talking about Seaside of course. The Peninsula is funny that way – to the north it stops abruptly at the limits of Monterey, while to the south it goes all the way down to Carmel Highlands, or even, if one is feeling expansive, to Big Sur.

  149. @Johnnygeo
    @Ivy

    Would a Bill health crisis benefit Hillary via sympathy vote? If so he probably shouldn't go buying any green bananas.

    Replies: @Jasper Been

    Maybe she’s poisoning him… hit 2 birds with 1 stone…

  150. @Ed
    @Reg Cæsar

    "FDR was trounced four times among his fellow Yankees. He had more than enough from everyone else to make up for it." (# 46)

    This is probably overly pedantic, but FDR wasn't a Yankee. Unless you are using the term in the sense of "northerner", and in that case he wasn't trounced in those states.

    Replies: @neon2

    Quite true, in both respects.
    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician, and had none of the Yankee down-to-earth honesty and good-sense of a Coolidge.
    The people who “trounced’ him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
    Alas.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @neon2


    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician…
     
    His antagonistic biographer John T Flynn said he was only 3% Dutch. Probably not much more Huguenot. And he was a Mayflower descendant.

    The people who “trounced’ him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
     
    He lost nearly every rural county north and east of Pittsburgh. He lost the poorest counties in his own state seven times. These people were not of his "caste".

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @neon2

  151. @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

    “after a 3rd place finish in NH in ’92 as the “Comeback Kid”. ”

    Actually, I believe he finished second to Paul Tsongas in NH before the Washington Post proclaimed the next day in a headline “Tsongas and Clinton Win New Hampshire Primary.” (I’m not sure if other papers picked up and repeated the same idea.) I believe it was Bill Clinton himself who proclaimed himself “the comeback kid.”

  152. @gruff
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I assume the status quo does not satisfy you. Do you have any suggestions as to how to proceed? Reg Caesar suggests repatriation - I would support that, but it's not "electable" at the moment. Separation? Some Black Autumn characters seem to lean in that direction - I would support that too.

    Replies: @bomag

    Separation appears to be the practical course.

    Your sentiment here is that we can have a democratic agreement on these matters, while what this does is highlight the failings of democracy. The other side wants no solution; they are not willing to work to make things better. They are just agitating and grabbing what they can. It’s been 50 years on since the civil rights era, and things are better just in the way that things have gotten better anyway from tech advance, etc. The political agreements of that time have probably made things worse in the sense that it has created a statutory framework that can be gamed and abused in the usual ways. The way forward is separation by groups of like minded people via unilateral action.

  153. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Coates’ endorsement is actually pretty important. Not because it’ll bring droves of (largely white) Coates readers to the poll, but rather because it represents an attempt by practitioners of identity politics to draw Sanders into their fold.

    Sanders has campaigned on issues of class. His program of (rather modest) social and economic reforms is not directed towards any minorities in general. His support base is largely white and young, it appears.
    Sanders’ program is opposed to the race-based politics Coates advocates.

    Large numbers of voters are responding to Sanders’ class politics. This represents a potentially worrisome development for Coates and his ilk. A stupider Coates would react with pure opposition to Sanders. But Coates has adopted a subtler tactic: embrace Sanders and attempt to coax the so-called socialist into the orbit of identity politics.

    Sanders will likely be receptive to this embrace. First, it demands little of him. Coates criticizes Sanders’ opposition to reparations, but endorses him anyway. So what does Coates hope Sanders will do? Probably he’s hoping Sanders will prove supportive of BLM type activists and upper middle class African Americans looking to be campus diversocrats.

    Sanders is not a socialist. He supports policies that would have been considered moderate during the mid 20th century. He will be delighted to compromise, settle for the meakest reforms. His mission is to divert outrage against Wall street back into the safe channels of the Democratic Party. Part of Sanders’ coming betrayal of class issues could come in the form of adding identity politics to his speech.
    Sanders is meeting with Sharpton, so we know he’s looking to get the support of corrupt men like the Reverend.

    Other processes may be at work too. Is Coates, like many Americans, also sick of the establishment? Sanders and Trump voters both are, in different ways.
    Many Americans aren’t loving capitalism very much these days. Sanders appeals to these voters, but he will sell them out.

    The World Socialist Website http://www.wsws.org has some great articles on Sanders, by the way.

  154. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Oh my god. This is the most unintentionally funny thing I have probably ever seen.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The other video it linked to, where the nervous blond boy in the spelling bee was given the word “negus”, was also unintentionally funny, if you ‘re a sadist. You could just imagine what third rail the kid had in his mind.

  155. @Mr. Anon
    @ATX Hipster

    "Mark Steyn’s theory is that Bill’s interns have “literally sucked all the life out of him.”"

    He shouldn't have avoided women, but he should have denied them his essence.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @MC, @Jim Don Bob

    POE.

  156. @neon2
    @Ed

    Quite true, in both respects.
    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician, and had none of the Yankee down-to-earth honesty and good-sense of a Coolidge.
    The people who "trounced' him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
    Alas.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician…

    His antagonistic biographer John T Flynn said he was only 3% Dutch. Probably not much more Huguenot. And he was a Mayflower descendant.

    The people who “trounced’ him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.

    He lost nearly every rural county north and east of Pittsburgh. He lost the poorest counties in his own state seven times. These people were not of his “caste”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Albion's Seed" puts both Roosevelts as primarily in the Puritan box.

    , @neon2
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well of course one is not weighing up precise ancestry from every side. The truth is that neither Roosevelt would have been anything other than proudly Dutch in his understanding of his family's place in the New York scheme of things. They were of the old N. Y. Dutch aristocracy, like the Stuyvesants, the Van Renselaers, the Schermerhorns, the Beeckmans, the de Peysters, the Schuylers. They will all have married into the Puritan families from New England, but they would heartily resist being counted a part of them. They are who they have always been.
    Another point: Mayflower descents are laughed at by the Boston Brahmins. As a descendant of the Winthrop fleet once famously remarked: "We sent our servants over on the Mayflower, to get things ready for us".

  157. @Reg Cæsar
    @neon2


    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician…
     
    His antagonistic biographer John T Flynn said he was only 3% Dutch. Probably not much more Huguenot. And he was a Mayflower descendant.

    The people who “trounced’ him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
     
    He lost nearly every rural county north and east of Pittsburgh. He lost the poorest counties in his own state seven times. These people were not of his "caste".

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @neon2

    “Albion’s Seed” puts both Roosevelts as primarily in the Puritan box.

  158. @Steve Sailer
    @celt darnell

    No, he's never claimed he's a genius.

    Everybody else claims he is.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    The age of delusions or mendacity?

    It’s surely one or the other.

  159. Neoconned [AKA "trumped"] says:
    @DCThrowback
    @Stan Adams

    Understanding Bill Clinton had a ton of deep state support due to his silence and acquiescence to the CIA's activities in Arkansas in the mid-80s explains a lot about how that gaseous windbag was able to "selected" by the media after a 3rd place finish in NH in '92 as the "Comeback Kid".

    Being compromised had its advantages.

    Replies: @Ed, @Jim Don Bob, @Stan Adams, @tbraton, @Neoconned

    Commenting on his Dark Alliance series of articles, Gary Webb wrote that Mena is where the CIA brought its cocaine up from central america, and that Bill Clinton knew what was going on. There were too many powerful people who would have been brought down had Webb not been destroyed by the WA Post/NY Times/LA Times, etc. The same papers and a lot of the same writers tried to give Greenwald the same treatment for the snowden story, but the internet and social media were the great equalizer. It reminds me of how buchanan was destroyed in 96 by the elites, but the internet has allowed trump to fire back.

    How sad is it that Webb was reduced to suicide while Bubba got to live the high life?

  160. @Reg Cæsar
    @neon2


    Roosevelt was a New York Dutch (Roosevelt) and Huguenot (Delano) patrician…
     
    His antagonistic biographer John T Flynn said he was only 3% Dutch. Probably not much more Huguenot. And he was a Mayflower descendant.

    The people who “trounced’ him were his own caste, but that caste was so tiny that it made no difference at all.
     
    He lost nearly every rural county north and east of Pittsburgh. He lost the poorest counties in his own state seven times. These people were not of his "caste".

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @neon2

    Well of course one is not weighing up precise ancestry from every side. The truth is that neither Roosevelt would have been anything other than proudly Dutch in his understanding of his family’s place in the New York scheme of things. They were of the old N. Y. Dutch aristocracy, like the Stuyvesants, the Van Renselaers, the Schermerhorns, the Beeckmans, the de Peysters, the Schuylers. They will all have married into the Puritan families from New England, but they would heartily resist being counted a part of them. They are who they have always been.
    Another point: Mayflower descents are laughed at by the Boston Brahmins. As a descendant of the Winthrop fleet once famously remarked: “We sent our servants over on the Mayflower, to get things ready for us”.

  161. @Twinkie
    I just don't understand how some of these folks could go on with their lives without feeling some sense of discomfort, to say the least, about their unearned status. Unless they are completely deluded and actually believe their own press releases, that is.

    For any normal human being there has to be some psychological strain when confronted with the gap between one's actual accomplishments and the undeserved accolades. Furthermore, there must be some sense of guilt over depriving the said accolades from others more deserving.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon, @Brutusale

    Two words, Twinkie. Dunning-Kruger.

  162. @J. Farmer
    This just reminds me of what a tangled political history Jewish Americans and African Americans have had. I wonder, has anyone laid out this history in book length form? Within a span of about 20 years, Jews went from civil rights allies to frequent targets of black nationalist conspiracy theories. An example of Dr. Frankenstein's monster turning against him, perhaps?

    Replies: @Jackie

    Yes, here have been several. See The Crisis of the Negro Intellectual by Harold Cruse and What Went Wrong?: The Creation and Collapse of The Black-Jewish Alliance by Murray Friedman. However, the best thing I have read on the Black-Jewish alliance is The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History by E. Michael Jones – an absolutely excellent book.

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