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As I pointed out in 1997, over the last quarter of the 20th Century, a narrowing gender gap in Olympic sprinting races is less often proof of the triumph of feminism than proof that runners are getting away with taking more Performance Enhancing Drugs. Because anabolic steroids are artificial male hormones (with some but usually not quite all the virilizing effect of natural male hormones taken out) women get more bang for the buck than men from taking a dose of steroids that is just below the detectable limit. Men start out with an order of magnitude more male hormones than women, so they get less effect from doses that aren’t big enough to get them suspended.

So the fact that the gender gap between the men and women in the Olympic 100 meter finals was likely the narrowest since 1988, suggests that, due to the covid interval, doping was worse in 2021 than in recent Olympics. Sprinters had time to build long term muscle with big doses of steroids over the last 16 months because there was less in-competition drug testing due to fewer competitions and less out-of-competition drug testing due to social distancing and the general official lackadaisicalness of the pandemic era.

Jamaica’s Elaine Thompson-Herah ran 10.61 to break Florence Griffith-Joyner’s 33-year-old Olympic record of 10.62, while Lamont Marcell Jacobs of Italy ran 9.80, for a gap of 0.81 seconds.

In contrast, in 2016, Usain Bolt won at 9.81 while Thompson-Hera, ran 10.71, for a gap of 0.9 seconds between the gold medalists.

In 1988, the official fastest men’s time was Carl Lewis’s 9.92. So the 1988 gap was, officially, only 0.7 seconds.

However, that was when Florence Griffith-Joyner set the women’s Olympic record at 10.62 seconds but Ben Johnson’s world record of 9.79 was famously thrown out two days later due to even the drug testing systems of 1988 not being fooled, what with Ben being known as “Benoid” to the other runners because the whites of his eyes had turned yellow from all the steroids he was taking. Flo-Jo was not caught, even though, frustrated in late 1987 that she was still working in the nail salon because she kept getting silver medals behind highly muscular women, called up Ben for training advice, then emerged in the spring of 1988 looking like a comic book superheroine.

iSteve commenter prime noticer points out, harshly but perhaps not unfairly:

The magic yam harvest was especially good this year in Jamaica, causing the women to turn in the least plausible results of all time. Old women and literal mothers in their 30s getting faster (and getting braces), sweeping the medals, running 10.7 with ease into a negative wind, even 10.6 (who was the last woman to run this fast…oh right). and most preposterous – the third Jamaican came in 0.15 seconds ahead of the fourth place runner. what? in an Olympic final?

Steve likes to talk about the Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis era, but this was easily the most drugged up, steroided out final in the history of track and field. it would be an outrage, if women’s sports mattered, which they don’t.

Jamaican men, who have finally been cracked down on, didn’t even get to the final. good riddance to these mega users.

 
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  1. Daughter C and I watched the women’s 100m final.

    Conversation as the runners were being introduced:

    Me: Look at the heads and faces of those Jamaican runners.

    Daughter C: Right. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . they all look kind of . . . masculine.

    Me: You don’t know who Barry Bonds is, but that’s who they all resemble.

    (Jamaicans place 1-2-3, blowing away the rest of the field like it’s not even there.)

    Daughter C: Right.

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She was probably thinking about how much she desired the touch of there brothers

    Replies: @tyrone

    , @J.Ross
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    All this time the evil white man has talked about keeping Black Kings and Queens off drugs
    [dramatic photograph of black athlete]
    AND NOW WE KNOW WHY

  2. Good post, Steve —and timely. I watched a women’s sprint just 30 seconds ago.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ben tillman


    I watched a women’s sprint just 30 seconds ago.
     
    You need to up your barstool game.


    https://www.meetmindful.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/love-couple-flirt-seduction-intimacy-chemistry-bar-drinks-fun-play-flirting-.jpg
  3. Gender Gap Narrowed

    The magic yam harvest was especially good this year in Jamaica, causing the women to turn in the least plausible results of all time.

  4. @Ben tillman
    Good post, Steve —and timely. I watched a women’s sprint just 30 seconds ago.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I watched a women’s sprint just 30 seconds ago.

    You need to up your barstool game.

  5. by ‘who was the last woman to run this fast’ i was partly referencing Marion Jones, who most people forgot about by now, and who got started juicing with her husband, who was a shotput thrower. a tall, lanky sprinter who it seemed would have trouble accelerating that fast, yet effortlessly ran past the other women and won the 2000 event by 0.37 seconds.

    she’s been flushed down the memory hole (try doing the usual google word frequency search on Marion Jones versus Flo Jo) probably because it was so embarrassing. but she needed drugs to run 10.7, which, pretty much any woman would need drugs to run at that speed. generally speaking in any sport adult women can top out at a performance equal to 15 year old boys, and if they start doing better than that, it’s because of drugs.

    every Jamaican since 2008 has run 10.7 to win the event, so who was the last clean sprinter to win? Yulia Nesterenko?

    • Agree: Rich
  6. To be fair, r-selecting species (which remember, species don’t exist) do tend to exhibit less sexual differentiation.

  7. I may have once posted this before quite a while ago before you moved to Unz, but just in case I didn’t, I recall an article in a sports magazine not long after the 1988 Olympics regarding PED’s. Not sure if it was Sports Illustrated or one of their competitors like Inside Sports or Sport, but the gist of it was that the IOC had made a big error regarding blood testing back in the early 1970’s, that wasn’t corrected until after the 1988 Olympics.

    There was particular test that looked at the ratio of two chemicals in the bloodstream, in men the ratio of one to the other could naturally be as high as 5 or 6 to 1, but in women the natural rate was much lower, like 2 to 1, anything over that in women would be indicative of doping, but the IOC had set the standard for women at exactly the same level as men, meaning female cheats could take a lot more PED’s than their male counterparts and still not get flagged even by the weaker testing of the time.

    • Replies: @Antipodean Coward
    @Unladen Swallow

    Sounds like you're talking about urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio.

    This could also explain Asian performance in weightlifting etc "urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio, commonly used in international antidoping test programs, is considerably lower in Asians than Caucasians, leading to difficulties in interpretation of the results. The limited effect of androgen doping on testosterone excretion in Asian populations increases the risk of false-negative results"

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/91/2/687/2843517

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

  8. Announcer says, “Complete and utter shock” when Jacobs wins. But the false start made it obvious he was going to win. His next-door neighbor jumps the gun, and Jacobs barely moves. He was focused and conserved energy, both mental and physical.

  9. Let’s review:
    1) PED yielding
    2) Women who look like men.
    3) Wokeness yielding
    4) Women who are men and ugly to boot.
    5) No spectators
    6) NBC

    So, as is my suggestion in other situations, we have the technology, we can do it, next time around, an all digital Olympics.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @James Speaks

    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.. Remember, the 1988 Olympics in Seoul were also low rated and that was before the internet and cable news letting everyone know who won. The Seoul Olympics also occurred during the cold war.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  10. Bolt ended his career really early, maybe better to go out on top but he seemed to be very enthused about entering different sports etc. Maybe he just made so much money from endorsements that he decided he was going to enjoy not training every day. Or maybe the increased scrutiny on the Jamaican anti-doping agency meant he was unlikely to get away with it anymore.

    For his teammates who kept going, everyone who got times below 9.80 was eventually caught doping at least once including his close teammate, Yohan Blake who well earned his nickname of ‘beast’ by looking very much like one of the roided to the gills 100m finalists of the 90s. He still has his big natural frame but looks noticeably deflated today though he made the 100m final today.

    It hasn’t been noted because he failed to qualify for the finals but the US sprinter Trayvon Bromell ran 2 incredible official times this year, they and the winning 2020 100m Olympic time are highlighted in light blue in this list.

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

    In fact, until 2019, other than Bolt, nobody had ever run below 9.82 without being caught for doping. The two exceptions are the US sprinters Christian Coleman who set a time of 9.76 in 2019 and Trayvon Bromell who set times of 9.77 and 9.80 in 2021. So far neither US sprinter has been fingered for doping but it’s very early days for them.

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs time of 9.80 is on the edge but otherwise surrounded by times set by dopers.

    Here is an article which mentions the scrutiny of the Jamaican anti-doping system and the ‘doctor’ running it who wasn’t properly credentialed but seemed to be running it because he was willing to engage in fraud. It includes Shelly-Ann Fraser complaining that the Jamaican OC wasn’t doing enough to defend her and other athletes reputations. She would eventually return a positive sample but was barely punished.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/15/shelly-ann-fraser-pryce-strike-jamaica-doping

    • Replies: @Nimrod
    @Altai

    Christian Coleman was prevented from entering the Olympics because he missed three drug tests. I'd call that strong circumstantial evidence for doping.

    https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/06/17/christian-coleman-suspension-ban-drug-tests/

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Altai

    Check out Momo Heredia ( he has another name, too, which I can't recall ). He had a lot to do with Jamaica's sudden rise in sprint dominance.

    , @sb
    @Altai

    " Bolt ended his career really early..... "

    He went to three Olympics ( and all the world Championships )

    How many is the appropriate number ?

  11. Is there a good blog that tracks, say, what employees of BALCO are doing these days?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @CTD

    Standing in line at the Fed Ex office to ship packages overnight to Tokyo?

  12. @Altai
    Bolt ended his career really early, maybe better to go out on top but he seemed to be very enthused about entering different sports etc. Maybe he just made so much money from endorsements that he decided he was going to enjoy not training every day. Or maybe the increased scrutiny on the Jamaican anti-doping agency meant he was unlikely to get away with it anymore.

    For his teammates who kept going, everyone who got times below 9.80 was eventually caught doping at least once including his close teammate, Yohan Blake who well earned his nickname of 'beast' by looking very much like one of the roided to the gills 100m finalists of the 90s. He still has his big natural frame but looks noticeably deflated today though he made the 100m final today.

    It hasn't been noted because he failed to qualify for the finals but the US sprinter Trayvon Bromell ran 2 incredible official times this year, they and the winning 2020 100m Olympic time are highlighted in light blue in this list.

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

    In fact, until 2019, other than Bolt, nobody had ever run below 9.82 without being caught for doping. The two exceptions are the US sprinters Christian Coleman who set a time of 9.76 in 2019 and Trayvon Bromell who set times of 9.77 and 9.80 in 2021. So far neither US sprinter has been fingered for doping but it's very early days for them.

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs time of 9.80 is on the edge but otherwise surrounded by times set by dopers.

    Here is an article which mentions the scrutiny of the Jamaican anti-doping system and the 'doctor' running it who wasn't properly credentialed but seemed to be running it because he was willing to engage in fraud. It includes Shelly-Ann Fraser complaining that the Jamaican OC wasn't doing enough to defend her and other athletes reputations. She would eventually return a positive sample but was barely punished.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/15/shelly-ann-fraser-pryce-strike-jamaica-doping

    Replies: @Nimrod, @Ron Mexico, @sb

    Christian Coleman was prevented from entering the Olympics because he missed three drug tests. I’d call that strong circumstantial evidence for doping.

    https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/06/17/christian-coleman-suspension-ban-drug-tests/

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Nimrod


    The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), which handles doping cases for track and field, listed Coleman as provisionally suspended for “whereabouts failures” — any combination of three missed drug tests and/or filing failures in a 12-month period. A filing failure could mean incorrectly filling out forms to tell drug testers where an athlete can be found, or not submitting quarterly forms at all.

    Olympic-level athletes must be available for out-of-competition drug testing 365 days a year, providing their daily whereabouts, including a more specific daily one-hour window, to help drug testers find them. Coleman has never failed a drug test.
     

    Totally racist. A manifestation of "whiteness." How can they expect a brother to keep track of schedules, be on time, get back to people by phone or use writing in email or whatever.

    Meanwhile in classical music:


    Black musicians produced manifestos complaining of their mistreatment at the hands of white administrators and conductors.... [Los Angeles Opera] tenor Russell Thomas ... told of being rebuked for routinely showing up late and for talking on his cell phone during rehearsals for an unnamed opera. “They were putting me in my place,” Thomas said, though his behavior was the result of his uncle dying in a car accident, he maintained. Only a black singer would be denied “a basic amount of consideration.”

    Heather Mac Donald at:
    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-1
     

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want "the rest of the story."

    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an "uncle" or closer male relative got in trouble ... I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    I'm guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Barnard, @kaganovitch

  13. i) Ben Johnson is still alive at nearly age 60. Interestingly, he was born in Jamaica.
    ii) Flo Jo died at 38.
    iii) The visible masculinization of Flo Jo went beyond muscles. A deeper voice and facial hair were becoming apparent. Before she took steroids, she was actually a pretty girl.

    Her problem is that she probably took about the same dosage as Ben Johnson, which is probably twice as much as a woman should take if she wants to live past 40.

    My comment yesterday is apt :

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/race-and-the-race-to-be-the-worlds-fastest-man/#comment-4813495

    i) Her times improved dramatically in a short time.
    ii) She obliterated female world records by a huge margin, and her 1988 records have not even been threatened, let alone broken.
    iii) A visible increase in muscle mass, increase in facial hair, and deepening of her voice were apparent to everyone. Why did all this happen at the same time as when she was shattering world records?
    iv) She abruptly retired while still young and at her peak, right around the time of a more stringent testing standard being announced.
    v) She died at the young age of 38, of something that users of PEDs are known to die from, but other track and field athletes are not known to die of. See also : Deaths of WWF wrestlers from the same cause.

    There is too much overwhelming evidence that Flo Jo was using PEDs.

    • Agree: Grahamsno(G64)
  14. There are two variables and only two, for any sport.

    A. They are all on steroids.
    B. They are all fixed.

    • Agree: JMcG, Alden, Old and Grumpy
  15. @CTD
    Is there a good blog that tracks, say, what employees of BALCO are doing these days?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Standing in line at the Fed Ex office to ship packages overnight to Tokyo?

  16. @Altai
    Bolt ended his career really early, maybe better to go out on top but he seemed to be very enthused about entering different sports etc. Maybe he just made so much money from endorsements that he decided he was going to enjoy not training every day. Or maybe the increased scrutiny on the Jamaican anti-doping agency meant he was unlikely to get away with it anymore.

    For his teammates who kept going, everyone who got times below 9.80 was eventually caught doping at least once including his close teammate, Yohan Blake who well earned his nickname of 'beast' by looking very much like one of the roided to the gills 100m finalists of the 90s. He still has his big natural frame but looks noticeably deflated today though he made the 100m final today.

    It hasn't been noted because he failed to qualify for the finals but the US sprinter Trayvon Bromell ran 2 incredible official times this year, they and the winning 2020 100m Olympic time are highlighted in light blue in this list.

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

    In fact, until 2019, other than Bolt, nobody had ever run below 9.82 without being caught for doping. The two exceptions are the US sprinters Christian Coleman who set a time of 9.76 in 2019 and Trayvon Bromell who set times of 9.77 and 9.80 in 2021. So far neither US sprinter has been fingered for doping but it's very early days for them.

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs time of 9.80 is on the edge but otherwise surrounded by times set by dopers.

    Here is an article which mentions the scrutiny of the Jamaican anti-doping system and the 'doctor' running it who wasn't properly credentialed but seemed to be running it because he was willing to engage in fraud. It includes Shelly-Ann Fraser complaining that the Jamaican OC wasn't doing enough to defend her and other athletes reputations. She would eventually return a positive sample but was barely punished.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/15/shelly-ann-fraser-pryce-strike-jamaica-doping

    Replies: @Nimrod, @Ron Mexico, @sb

    Check out Momo Heredia ( he has another name, too, which I can’t recall ). He had a lot to do with Jamaica’s sudden rise in sprint dominance.

  17. Steve gonna wanna check out the Olympic’s brand-new, trash sports-ish “mixed” 100 meter gender medley relay. Two guys, two women, racing back/breast/fly/free, in any order a countries’ team chooses.

    I think the U.S. gold medal machine Caleb Dressel — he with the largest “traps” in the history of swimming — went last, as the Americans alone put a guy’s “freestyle” swimming clean-up (O.K., maybe one other “also-swam” team had a “final dude” as well).

    Caleb was down 20 meters to the whole field, when he dove into the pool for his relay-ending 200 meter free leg. Couldn’t pull out the win. Too far behind.

    But watch the whole thing: Amazing disparities on display, as male backstrokes crushed female backstrokes, etc.

    A rare, real-time, juxtaposed glimpse.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @RyeFrost

    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack Armstrong

    , @Anon
    @RyeFrost


    Steve gonna wanna check out the Olympic’s brand-new, trash sports-ish “mixed” 100 meter gender medley relay. Two guys, two women, racing back/breast/fly/free, in any order a countries’ team chooses.
     
    Masters swim meets in Japan have something like this. It's really fun! Masters swimming is a bit more laid back in Japan than in the U.S., with a wider mix of abilities and ages. The mixed relays are casual enough that nobody really cares about winning and weaker swimmers are welcome in a mix with more accomplished swimmers.

    Now if they could think of something similar for the adjacent platform and springboard pools that are ubiquitous in bubble-era Japanese swimming centers ...
  18. @RyeFrost
    Steve gonna wanna check out the Olympic’s brand-new, trash sports-ish “mixed” 100 meter gender medley relay. Two guys, two women, racing back/breast/fly/free, in any order a countries’ team chooses.

    I think the U.S. gold medal machine Caleb Dressel — he with the largest “traps” in the history of swimming — went last, as the Americans alone put a guy’s “freestyle” swimming clean-up (O.K., maybe one other “also-swam” team had a “final dude” as well).

    Caleb was down 20 meters to the whole field, when he dove into the pool for his relay-ending 200 meter free leg. Couldn’t pull out the win. Too far behind.

    But watch the whole thing: Amazing disparities on display, as male backstrokes crushed female backstrokes, etc.

    A rare, real-time, juxtaposed glimpse.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?
     
    Maybe a 200m for non-swimmers, a 100-yard dash for people with no sense of direction, a 1500m for the deaf, …


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSzGIkFq2A
    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Steve Sailer

    1st lap ‘plunge for distance’ is my suggestion.

  19. For the first time in 101 years the U.S. tennis players failed
    to win a medal at the Olympics. Watching the decline of American
    tennis has not been a pleasant experience. Is it one of the many
    symptoms of American decline? It certainly looks that way

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Anon 2


    For the first time in 101 years the U.S. tennis players failed
    to win a medal at the Olympics. Watching the decline of American
    tennis has not been a pleasant experience. Is it one of the many
    symptoms of American decline? It certainly looks that way
     
    Indeed it is 'full spectrum' decline. Notice the collapse of black athletes no more Carl Lewis or Michael Johnsons. What happened to the great black American boxers?

    Replies: @International Jew

  20. @Unladen Swallow
    I may have once posted this before quite a while ago before you moved to Unz, but just in case I didn't, I recall an article in a sports magazine not long after the 1988 Olympics regarding PED's. Not sure if it was Sports Illustrated or one of their competitors like Inside Sports or Sport, but the gist of it was that the IOC had made a big error regarding blood testing back in the early 1970's, that wasn't corrected until after the 1988 Olympics.

    There was particular test that looked at the ratio of two chemicals in the bloodstream, in men the ratio of one to the other could naturally be as high as 5 or 6 to 1, but in women the natural rate was much lower, like 2 to 1, anything over that in women would be indicative of doping, but the IOC had set the standard for women at exactly the same level as men, meaning female cheats could take a lot more PED's than their male counterparts and still not get flagged even by the weaker testing of the time.

    Replies: @Antipodean Coward

    Sounds like you’re talking about urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio.

    This could also explain Asian performance in weightlifting etc “urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio, commonly used in international antidoping test programs, is considerably lower in Asians than Caucasians, leading to difficulties in interpretation of the results. The limited effect of androgen doping on testosterone excretion in Asian populations increases the risk of false-negative results”

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/91/2/687/2843517

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Antipodean Coward

    Quite possible that was the test, I think was written either late 1989 or 1990, but I remember thinking it was an uncommonly well researched article, especially for a sports magazine. I wish I held on to the issue, I'm sure something like it could not be written today within the woke media.

  21. Lamont Marcell Jacobs of Italy ran 9.80

    Ben Johnson’s world record of 9.79

    Three decades later, and they still can’t beat him. Wasn’t he also kind of a nobody on the international stage before that olympics, and again when he tried to make a comeback after his suspension? The amount of steroids must have been enormous, I’m kind of surprised he is still around.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Jon

    Ben Johnson received bronzes in LA 84, just as Flo Jo medaled (silver) in LA.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jon

    Johnson had won two bronze medals at the 1984 Olympics, so he had been around the top of the weld sprinting scene for at least 4 years, but actually longer.

    Alan Wells, who might have been the last man to win a hundred meters Olympic gold without steroids, was coached by his wife.

    He nicked the gold in the 100 m with a despairing dive for the tape, and came close up for silver in the 200 m.

    Although some would say his Olympic success was diminished by the boycott by American sprinters and those of some other countries, he took on the top American sprinters just a couple of weeks later and beat them all, including Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson.

    He won gold medals in both sprints in the British Commonwealth games of 1978 and 1982, indicating that he must have been well ahead of the best Jamaican sprinters of that time.

    It was a great pity that the 1980 Olympics was despoiled by the partial boycott, but spoilsport Jimmy Carter got his just desserts later that year, and in retrospect it can be seen that the boycott was completely futile.

    By the next Olympics, we were into the Orwellian world of 1984 and the golden age of steroids for sprinters

    Alan Wells sprunt on into his mid thirties, but only made the semifinals in 1984. He became coach to a national bobsleigh team and made a career as a systems engineer.

    Wells has always been somewhat media shy, and prior to the 1980 Olympics when Margaret Thatcher was attempting to interfere with British Olympic plans, decided to boycott all media because he did not wish to be used as a political tool.

    The British Olympic movement was somewhat divided at the time, with some sports going to the Games, and others, which were presumably more closely aligned with the conservative party of Margaret Thatcher, deciding to boycott.

    Well, if you boycott, you can't complain if you don't win any medals.

    Replies: @Gordo, @sb

  22. Female distance runners are anorexic. Look like Nazi death camp survivors. A medal to hand around your neck cannot be worth it.

  23. Laurel Hubbard will close it completely.

  24. A Greek guy won the men’s gold in long jump. And an Italian guy won the men’s gold in high jump, sharing the gold with a Qatari. So the track events don’t seem so black dominated this year.

    • Replies: @Rosa
    @Anon

    The Qatari is actually a Somali or Ethiopian, as black as the night.

  25. @Jon

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs of Italy ran 9.80
     

    Ben Johnson’s world record of 9.79
     
    Three decades later, and they still can’t beat him. Wasn’t he also kind of a nobody on the international stage before that olympics, and again when he tried to make a comeback after his suspension? The amount of steroids must have been enormous, I’m kind of surprised he is still around.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jonathan Mason

    Ben Johnson received bronzes in LA 84, just as Flo Jo medaled (silver) in LA.

  26. @Anon 2
    For the first time in 101 years the U.S. tennis players failed
    to win a medal at the Olympics. Watching the decline of American
    tennis has not been a pleasant experience. Is it one of the many
    symptoms of American decline? It certainly looks that way

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    For the first time in 101 years the U.S. tennis players failed
    to win a medal at the Olympics. Watching the decline of American
    tennis has not been a pleasant experience. Is it one of the many
    symptoms of American decline? It certainly looks that way

    Indeed it is ‘full spectrum’ decline. Notice the collapse of black athletes no more Carl Lewis or Michael Johnsons. What happened to the great black American boxers?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Grahamsno(G64)


    What happened to the great black American boxers?
     
    Boxing was a more essential skill, back when (for whatever reason) guns were resorted to less often.

    So maybe this generation's crop of great pugilists end up shot by this generation's lesser pugilists.

  27. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it’s a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It’s currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It’s even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the “Napoleon’s Retreat” cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I’m not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Anon

    If the US ever has to pay "reparations" to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Spect3r

    , @martin_2
    @Anon

    "At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery."

    With all respect, as I am sure you are an intelligent man, since after all you are on this forum, you should not have been surprised. You should have learned about this aspect of mainstream deception years ago.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon

    Everyone--at least every American--should understand this.

    On the Atlantic side, the bulk of the slaves went to Brazil, followed by the Caribbean. The place you did *not* want to go was a Caribbean sugar plantation where you were a "consumable", basically a production input.

    In contrast, the temperate US was an extremely desirable location. Much better working and living conditions than basically anywhere else, including Africa. While being a slave--being unfree--inherently sucks, blacks taken to the US have had a 100-to-1 population expansion. Along, with of course their descendants getting to live in a prosperous and free white-built-run nation.



    It's the descendants of the white settlers--of the people who built America--who've gotten the ass end of the deal.

    , @HA
    @Anon

    "The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America."

    The life expectancy of a Brazilian slave working on a sugar plantation was brutally low (I've seen numbers as low as 4-7 years, but other sources say it's closer to 20), and women were in the minority, so in terms of descendants who are around to demand reparations, they don't really count as much as places where slaves were allowed to reproduce. (If there's a moral to that story about how best to avoid paying reparations, let's just say it isn't very moral -- and remember, all those eunuch slaves shipped to Istanbul didn't produce reparations-demanding descendants, either).

    Replies: @Alden

    , @james wilson
    @Anon

    A J Froude writes that the Carib islands had a constant demand for slaves because due to especially poor conditions slaves did not reproduce there, which they did in America. In some places newly arrived slave suicide was a troubling option that the owners contended with. Also, they had nowhere to run, which they did in Brazil.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    Wouldn’t the Portuguese have been involved in transporting slaves to Brazil? Generally, European countries didn’t allow other countries to trade with their colonies.

    Replies: @Anon

  28. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @RyeFrost
    Steve gonna wanna check out the Olympic’s brand-new, trash sports-ish “mixed” 100 meter gender medley relay. Two guys, two women, racing back/breast/fly/free, in any order a countries’ team chooses.

    I think the U.S. gold medal machine Caleb Dressel — he with the largest “traps” in the history of swimming — went last, as the Americans alone put a guy’s “freestyle” swimming clean-up (O.K., maybe one other “also-swam” team had a “final dude” as well).

    Caleb was down 20 meters to the whole field, when he dove into the pool for his relay-ending 200 meter free leg. Couldn’t pull out the win. Too far behind.

    But watch the whole thing: Amazing disparities on display, as male backstrokes crushed female backstrokes, etc.

    A rare, real-time, juxtaposed glimpse.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon

    Steve gonna wanna check out the Olympic’s brand-new, trash sports-ish “mixed” 100 meter gender medley relay. Two guys, two women, racing back/breast/fly/free, in any order a countries’ team chooses.

    Masters swim meets in Japan have something like this. It’s really fun! Masters swimming is a bit more laid back in Japan than in the U.S., with a wider mix of abilities and ages. The mixed relays are casual enough that nobody really cares about winning and weaker swimmers are welcome in a mix with more accomplished swimmers.

    Now if they could think of something similar for the adjacent platform and springboard pools that are ubiquitous in bubble-era Japanese swimming centers …

  29. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nimrod
    @Altai

    Christian Coleman was prevented from entering the Olympics because he missed three drug tests. I'd call that strong circumstantial evidence for doping.

    https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2020/06/17/christian-coleman-suspension-ban-drug-tests/

    Replies: @Anon

    The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), which handles doping cases for track and field, listed Coleman as provisionally suspended for “whereabouts failures” — any combination of three missed drug tests and/or filing failures in a 12-month period. A filing failure could mean incorrectly filling out forms to tell drug testers where an athlete can be found, or not submitting quarterly forms at all.

    Olympic-level athletes must be available for out-of-competition drug testing 365 days a year, providing their daily whereabouts, including a more specific daily one-hour window, to help drug testers find them. Coleman has never failed a drug test.

    Totally racist. A manifestation of “whiteness.” How can they expect a brother to keep track of schedules, be on time, get back to people by phone or use writing in email or whatever.

    Meanwhile in classical music:

    Black musicians produced manifestos complaining of their mistreatment at the hands of white administrators and conductors…. [Los Angeles Opera] tenor Russell Thomas … told of being rebuked for routinely showing up late and for talking on his cell phone during rehearsals for an unnamed opera. “They were putting me in my place,” Thomas said, though his behavior was the result of his uncle dying in a car accident, he maintained. Only a black singer would be denied “a basic amount of consideration.”

    Heather Mac Donald at:
    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-1

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”

    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    I’m guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    • LOL: Calvin Hobbes
    • Troll: Nimrod
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Anon


    I’m guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.
     
    Can you post a graphic explaining the possible definitions of "uncle," excluding, or course Rhesus monkeys etc.
    , @Barnard
    @Anon

    The symphony orchestras exist due the donations of very wealthy donors. They are disproportionately liberal and the average performer is even further left than the donors. I listen to classical MPR sometimes in the car, the promos they run almost sound satirical as a stereotype of what a wealthy Minnesota liberal would want to hear. I don't think they have a long term solution for this.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”
    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.


    In all likelihood, there is no 'rest of the story' because the story is fictional in the first place. I have lost count of the number of Black employees who have excused absences or lateness by appeal to "my grandma's funeral" in spite of the fact that he or she had already used the same grandma's purported death twice already in the last year or two.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Spect3r, @J.Ross

  30. @Jon

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs of Italy ran 9.80
     

    Ben Johnson’s world record of 9.79
     
    Three decades later, and they still can’t beat him. Wasn’t he also kind of a nobody on the international stage before that olympics, and again when he tried to make a comeback after his suspension? The amount of steroids must have been enormous, I’m kind of surprised he is still around.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jonathan Mason

    Johnson had won two bronze medals at the 1984 Olympics, so he had been around the top of the weld sprinting scene for at least 4 years, but actually longer.

    Alan Wells, who might have been the last man to win a hundred meters Olympic gold without steroids, was coached by his wife.

    He nicked the gold in the 100 m with a despairing dive for the tape, and came close up for silver in the 200 m.

    Although some would say his Olympic success was diminished by the boycott by American sprinters and those of some other countries, he took on the top American sprinters just a couple of weeks later and beat them all, including Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson.

    He won gold medals in both sprints in the British Commonwealth games of 1978 and 1982, indicating that he must have been well ahead of the best Jamaican sprinters of that time.

    It was a great pity that the 1980 Olympics was despoiled by the partial boycott, but spoilsport Jimmy Carter got his just desserts later that year, and in retrospect it can be seen that the boycott was completely futile.

    By the next Olympics, we were into the Orwellian world of 1984 and the golden age of steroids for sprinters

    Alan Wells sprunt on into his mid thirties, but only made the semifinals in 1984. He became coach to a national bobsleigh team and made a career as a systems engineer.

    Wells has always been somewhat media shy, and prior to the 1980 Olympics when Margaret Thatcher was attempting to interfere with British Olympic plans, decided to boycott all media because he did not wish to be used as a political tool.

    The British Olympic movement was somewhat divided at the time, with some sports going to the Games, and others, which were presumably more closely aligned with the conservative party of Margaret Thatcher, deciding to boycott.

    Well, if you boycott, you can’t complain if you don’t win any medals.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Jonathan Mason


    sprunt
     
    Is that a very irregular past participle or did you just make it up?

    Kudos either way!

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Jonathan Mason

    , @sb
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why do you say Alan Wells wasn't a doper ?

    There are plenty of views to the contrary

    Go away and do a Google search

    Sounds like wishful thinking to me

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  31. I see that the United States women’s soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Perhaps we ought to have Olympic mixed sex soccer, in which a team could have three men, two transsexuals, and six women. This would introduce a great deal of tactical subtlety in choosing which positions to fill with men. For example would one choose a male goalkeeper or a hard tackling midfielder?

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Jonathan Mason

    Unfortunately one reason the gender gap will narrow in the women’s 200 is that the two Namibians who made the finals are not actually women. They were originally 400 runners who dropped down because they had “high testosterone”....the media’s way of confirming they have the same intersex condition as Caster Semenya.

    IOC was stupid to think poor countries wouldn’t put these XY DSD athletes in events other than the 400, 800, 1500 (where they are currently banned).

    Just watch them run next to the women in the semifinals it’s so obvious they are teenage boys.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Alfa158
    @Jonathan Mason

    A good start but not inclusive enough. How about a side consists of one each:
    Lesbian,
    Gay,
    Bisexual,
    Transgender,
    Queer,
    Questioning,
    Two-Spirit,
    Intersex,
    Asexual,
    Pansexual
    And a straight guy as goal tender so everyone kicks things at him.

    On second thought, I suppose the Two-Spirit would have to be counted as two players, making a twelve player side, so never mind the straight guy.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jonathan Mason


    I see that the United States women’s soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.
     
    Good. Poetic justice.

    "United States"--i.e. representing the feds, the super-state--is reasonable. Though calling them the "Rainbow National" women's soccer team would be better/clearer.

    But once you become a bunch of kneeling ninnies, you've got nothing to do with America--the actual, people/nation--anymore.

    Is there any other garbage we need to clear out ... oh yeah, could someone beat the Rainbow basketball teams.
    , @Matttt
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Canadian team's transsexual was "assigned female at birth." It's not a mixed-sex team. It's a mixed-gender team. It's worth asking, however, what sort of drugs this person is taking.

  32. @Steve Sailer
    @RyeFrost

    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack Armstrong

    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?

    Maybe a 200m for non-swimmers, a 100-yard dash for people with no sense of direction, a 1500m for the deaf, …

  33. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Daughter C and I watched the women's 100m final.

    Conversation as the runners were being introduced:

    Me: Look at the heads and faces of those Jamaican runners.

    Daughter C: Right. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . they all look kind of . . . masculine.

    Me: You don't know who Barry Bonds is, but that's who they all resemble.

    ...

    (Jamaicans place 1-2-3, blowing away the rest of the field like it's not even there.)

    Daughter C: Right.

    Replies: @Tiny Duck, @J.Ross

    She was probably thinking about how much she desired the touch of there brothers

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Tiny Duck

    Tiny , try not to be such a gibbering idiot ,we've come to expect a certain standard (a low one) of trolling.....so disappointed .

  34. Just one more of those amazing gifts from the hemp plant that I keep hearing about.

  35. anon[259] • Disclaimer says:

    No medal for US women’s soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @anon

    "America wins?".......why yes . the REAL America did win .....funny old world ,ain't it.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @anon

    They will play for bronze.

    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @anon


    No medal for US women’s soccer. Canada wins.
     
    Sadly, they can get a bronze.

    WSJ: The U.S. will move on to the bronze medal match on Thursday against Australia, while Canada plays Sweden for the gold medal on Friday.
    , @Calvin Hobbes
    @anon


    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.
     
    I saw an article in which the Canuck tranny was referred to as just “Quinn” and wondered why the rest of the name was omitted. Turns out there is no “rest of the name”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn won a bronze medal at the 2016 Summer Olympics with [Men’s] Team Canada.[6] On May 25, 2019, they were named to the roster for the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup.[7]

    Personal life
    Born in Toronto to a sporting family, Quinn's father was a rugby player and their mother played basketball.

    Quinn attended Duke University, where they played collegiate soccer for the Duke Blue Devils.[3]

    In 2020, Quinn came out as transgender, and said that they use they/them pronouns, with Quinn as their full name.[9] They were permitted to continue playing professional women's football on the basis of their sex (rather than gender identity).[10] They have expressed disappointment with media using their three-word birth name when they came out, stating "it's crucial to write about trans people using their name & pronouns."[11] In July 2021, Quinn became the first out non-binary transgender athlete to compete at the Olympic Games.[12][13]

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Badger Down

    , @Nimrod
    @anon

    I'm not sure what makes me happier: the USWNT losing or the fact that Canada's goal was scored by a biological male.

  36. @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Anon 2


    For the first time in 101 years the U.S. tennis players failed
    to win a medal at the Olympics. Watching the decline of American
    tennis has not been a pleasant experience. Is it one of the many
    symptoms of American decline? It certainly looks that way
     
    Indeed it is 'full spectrum' decline. Notice the collapse of black athletes no more Carl Lewis or Michael Johnsons. What happened to the great black American boxers?

    Replies: @International Jew

    What happened to the great black American boxers?

    Boxing was a more essential skill, back when (for whatever reason) guns were resorted to less often.

    So maybe this generation’s crop of great pugilists end up shot by this generation’s lesser pugilists.

  37. “… this was easily the most drugged up, steroided out final in the history of track and field.”

    It’s for this very reason why I haven’t watched the Summer Olympics in years. It started back in the Seventies with the rumors of Finland’s two-time gold medal Olympian, long distance runner Lasse Viren, being involved in blood doping.

    • Agree: James Speaks
  38. @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    If the US ever has to pay “reparations” to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Prester John


    If the US ever has to pay “reparations” to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.
     
    No. No reparations without repatriation.

    As with much else, we need "conservative" intellectuals and politicians to stop being pansies and clearly state obvious truths:

    American blacks are the huge beneficiaries of slavery.

    Their ancestors' slavery has radically improved, their situation. (None of us exist at all without the history in our timeline, before pa was on top of ma, but that's a more general point.) Hundreds of millions of Africans would gladly change places with them--right now!

    You want compensation for your ancestors slavery--fine. But you have to give up the huge benefit you've already derived and go back.
    , @Spect3r
    @Prester John

    What about the African tribes that sold the other ones? Thats where it really all started...

  39. @Jonathan Mason
    I see that the United States women's soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Perhaps we ought to have Olympic mixed sex soccer, in which a team could have three men, two transsexuals, and six women. This would introduce a great deal of tactical subtlety in choosing which positions to fill with men. For example would one choose a male goalkeeper or a hard tackling midfielder?

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alfa158, @AnotherDad, @Matttt

    Unfortunately one reason the gender gap will narrow in the women’s 200 is that the two Namibians who made the finals are not actually women. They were originally 400 runners who dropped down because they had “high testosterone”….the media’s way of confirming they have the same intersex condition as Caster Semenya.

    IOC was stupid to think poor countries wouldn’t put these XY DSD athletes in events other than the 400, 800, 1500 (where they are currently banned).

    Just watch them run next to the women in the semifinals it’s so obvious they are teenage boys.

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @S. Anonyia

    I thought they were disqualified.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  40. @Jonathan Mason
    I see that the United States women's soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Perhaps we ought to have Olympic mixed sex soccer, in which a team could have three men, two transsexuals, and six women. This would introduce a great deal of tactical subtlety in choosing which positions to fill with men. For example would one choose a male goalkeeper or a hard tackling midfielder?

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alfa158, @AnotherDad, @Matttt

    A good start but not inclusive enough. How about a side consists of one each:
    Lesbian,
    Gay,
    Bisexual,
    Transgender,
    Queer,
    Questioning,
    Two-Spirit,
    Intersex,
    Asexual,
    Pansexual
    And a straight guy as goal tender so everyone kicks things at him.

    On second thought, I suppose the Two-Spirit would have to be counted as two players, making a twelve player side, so never mind the straight guy.

  41. @Anon
    @Nimrod


    The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), which handles doping cases for track and field, listed Coleman as provisionally suspended for “whereabouts failures” — any combination of three missed drug tests and/or filing failures in a 12-month period. A filing failure could mean incorrectly filling out forms to tell drug testers where an athlete can be found, or not submitting quarterly forms at all.

    Olympic-level athletes must be available for out-of-competition drug testing 365 days a year, providing their daily whereabouts, including a more specific daily one-hour window, to help drug testers find them. Coleman has never failed a drug test.
     

    Totally racist. A manifestation of "whiteness." How can they expect a brother to keep track of schedules, be on time, get back to people by phone or use writing in email or whatever.

    Meanwhile in classical music:


    Black musicians produced manifestos complaining of their mistreatment at the hands of white administrators and conductors.... [Los Angeles Opera] tenor Russell Thomas ... told of being rebuked for routinely showing up late and for talking on his cell phone during rehearsals for an unnamed opera. “They were putting me in my place,” Thomas said, though his behavior was the result of his uncle dying in a car accident, he maintained. Only a black singer would be denied “a basic amount of consideration.”

    Heather Mac Donald at:
    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-1
     

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want "the rest of the story."

    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an "uncle" or closer male relative got in trouble ... I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    I'm guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Barnard, @kaganovitch

    I’m guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    Can you post a graphic explaining the possible definitions of “uncle,” excluding, or course Rhesus monkeys etc.

  42. Anybody else notice how masculine many of the Chinese female Olympians look? I think part of it is so many cut their hair short, but that’s not a full explanation. It’s somewhat understandable that women in the more strength-based sports would look a little masculine, but why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Matttt


    why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?
     
    Here in Japan we get a lot of table tennis from the Olympics (each country seems to show sports it's more likely to get medals in). This Taiwan player completely reads as a guy. No breasts, male face, male haircut:

    https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/hi/results/table-tennis/athlete-profile-n1338657-chen-szu-yu.htm

    Some earrings that sit flush with the earlobe (not male rings) are the only concession.

    I'd love to know if she is asexual (no sexual feelings), lesbian, what? Perhaps she's completely normal, with a tomboy look because of her profession? I wonder if athletes like her have girl fans? I couldn't find any hint online that table tennis is a lesbian sport like basketball, softball, and soccer.
    , @jb
    @Matttt

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, so I'd be astonished if they weren't world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use. (And I doubt it's just the women who are on them).

    Replies: @peterike

    , @Rosa
    @Matttt

    See above: it’s much more difficult to detect doping with sex hormones than in White and Black athletes
    .

  43. @Anon
    @Nimrod


    The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), which handles doping cases for track and field, listed Coleman as provisionally suspended for “whereabouts failures” — any combination of three missed drug tests and/or filing failures in a 12-month period. A filing failure could mean incorrectly filling out forms to tell drug testers where an athlete can be found, or not submitting quarterly forms at all.

    Olympic-level athletes must be available for out-of-competition drug testing 365 days a year, providing their daily whereabouts, including a more specific daily one-hour window, to help drug testers find them. Coleman has never failed a drug test.
     

    Totally racist. A manifestation of "whiteness." How can they expect a brother to keep track of schedules, be on time, get back to people by phone or use writing in email or whatever.

    Meanwhile in classical music:


    Black musicians produced manifestos complaining of their mistreatment at the hands of white administrators and conductors.... [Los Angeles Opera] tenor Russell Thomas ... told of being rebuked for routinely showing up late and for talking on his cell phone during rehearsals for an unnamed opera. “They were putting me in my place,” Thomas said, though his behavior was the result of his uncle dying in a car accident, he maintained. Only a black singer would be denied “a basic amount of consideration.”

    Heather Mac Donald at:
    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-1
     

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want "the rest of the story."

    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an "uncle" or closer male relative got in trouble ... I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    I'm guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Barnard, @kaganovitch

    The symphony orchestras exist due the donations of very wealthy donors. They are disproportionately liberal and the average performer is even further left than the donors. I listen to classical MPR sometimes in the car, the promos they run almost sound satirical as a stereotype of what a wealthy Minnesota liberal would want to hear. I don’t think they have a long term solution for this.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Barnard

    Read Tom Wolfe's 1970 classic "Radical Chic" It's a hoot.
    Great as an audio book along with "Mai Mauing the Flack Catchers".

    I was struck by how much, literally over half a century, nothing has changed.

    Replies: @Alden

  44. With drug testing is it possible for an Olympic athlete to take a canoe trip in Minnesota, hike the Appalachian trail, or attend a Wagnerian Ring Cycle.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    @RyeFrost

    Maybe after the initial backstroke, they should let the teams do any order of strokes they choose just for maximum chaos?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jack Armstrong

    1st lap ‘plunge for distance’ is my suggestion.

  46. @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    “At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery.”

    With all respect, as I am sure you are an intelligent man, since after all you are on this forum, you should not have been surprised. You should have learned about this aspect of mainstream deception years ago.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  47. @Jonathan Mason
    I see that the United States women's soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Perhaps we ought to have Olympic mixed sex soccer, in which a team could have three men, two transsexuals, and six women. This would introduce a great deal of tactical subtlety in choosing which positions to fill with men. For example would one choose a male goalkeeper or a hard tackling midfielder?

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alfa158, @AnotherDad, @Matttt

    I see that the United States women’s soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Good. Poetic justice.

    “United States”–i.e. representing the feds, the super-state–is reasonable. Though calling them the “Rainbow National” women’s soccer team would be better/clearer.

    But once you become a bunch of kneeling ninnies, you’ve got nothing to do with America–the actual, people/nation–anymore.

    Is there any other garbage we need to clear out … oh yeah, could someone beat the Rainbow basketball teams.

  48. @anon
    No medal for US women's soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Ron Mexico, @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes, @Nimrod

    “America wins?”…….why yes . the REAL America did win …..funny old world ,ain’t it.

  49. @anon
    No medal for US women's soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Ron Mexico, @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes, @Nimrod

    They will play for bronze.

  50. @Anon
    @Nimrod


    The Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU), which handles doping cases for track and field, listed Coleman as provisionally suspended for “whereabouts failures” — any combination of three missed drug tests and/or filing failures in a 12-month period. A filing failure could mean incorrectly filling out forms to tell drug testers where an athlete can be found, or not submitting quarterly forms at all.

    Olympic-level athletes must be available for out-of-competition drug testing 365 days a year, providing their daily whereabouts, including a more specific daily one-hour window, to help drug testers find them. Coleman has never failed a drug test.
     

    Totally racist. A manifestation of "whiteness." How can they expect a brother to keep track of schedules, be on time, get back to people by phone or use writing in email or whatever.

    Meanwhile in classical music:


    Black musicians produced manifestos complaining of their mistreatment at the hands of white administrators and conductors.... [Los Angeles Opera] tenor Russell Thomas ... told of being rebuked for routinely showing up late and for talking on his cell phone during rehearsals for an unnamed opera. “They were putting me in my place,” Thomas said, though his behavior was the result of his uncle dying in a car accident, he maintained. Only a black singer would be denied “a basic amount of consideration.”

    Heather Mac Donald at:
    https://www.city-journal.org/classical-music-under-racial-attack-part-1
     

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want "the rest of the story."

    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an "uncle" or closer male relative got in trouble ... I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    I'm guessing that in the black community uncle means, at the minimum, a male sibling or half sibling of the biological father any of you or your own siblings or half siblings, which could be a lot of people.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Barnard, @kaganovitch

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”
    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.

    In all likelihood, there is no ‘rest of the story’ because the story is fictional in the first place. I have lost count of the number of Black employees who have excused absences or lateness by appeal to “my grandma’s funeral” in spite of the fact that he or she had already used the same grandma’s purported death twice already in the last year or two.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @kaganovitch

    kaga, years ago I had an apprentice on a job who didn't show up for work on a Saturday, which was time and a half. I asked him on Monday why he missed work on Saturday. "Joe, a plane crashed into my house and killed my wife and three of my four kids." Nonplussed I asked..."One managed to survive?" "Well, yeah, I saved one in case needed a day off in the future." Back to the Union Hall for Mr. Smart Ass.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Spect3r
    @kaganovitch

    In all honesty, i worked with a white guy that went to his father funeral 4 times in 2 years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rich

    , @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    The best version of this comes from Hillard "Sweet Pea" Atkinson, one of two lead vocalists for Was Not Was (the other singer was specifically hired because "Sweet Pea" thought a song about weakness was gay and stayed home that recording session. When he saw the new guy he didn't miss another recording session). When WNW got popular and started to make some money, he ran into trouble with an old false injury claim he had been profiting off of for years, from when he worked at a Chrysler plant.

  51. @Jonathan Mason
    I see that the United States women's soccer team was narrowly beaten on a disputed penalty kick by a mixed sex Canadian team.

    Perhaps we ought to have Olympic mixed sex soccer, in which a team could have three men, two transsexuals, and six women. This would introduce a great deal of tactical subtlety in choosing which positions to fill with men. For example would one choose a male goalkeeper or a hard tackling midfielder?

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Alfa158, @AnotherDad, @Matttt

    The Canadian team’s transsexual was “assigned female at birth.” It’s not a mixed-sex team. It’s a mixed-gender team. It’s worth asking, however, what sort of drugs this person is taking.

  52. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Matttt
    Anybody else notice how masculine many of the Chinese female Olympians look? I think part of it is so many cut their hair short, but that's not a full explanation. It's somewhat understandable that women in the more strength-based sports would look a little masculine, but why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?

    Replies: @Anon, @jb, @Rosa

    why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?

    Here in Japan we get a lot of table tennis from the Olympics (each country seems to show sports it’s more likely to get medals in). This Taiwan player completely reads as a guy. No breasts, male face, male haircut:

    https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/hi/results/table-tennis/athlete-profile-n1338657-chen-szu-yu.htm

    Some earrings that sit flush with the earlobe (not male rings) are the only concession.

    I’d love to know if she is asexual (no sexual feelings), lesbian, what? Perhaps she’s completely normal, with a tomboy look because of her profession? I wonder if athletes like her have girl fans? I couldn’t find any hint online that table tennis is a lesbian sport like basketball, softball, and soccer.

  53. @anon
    No medal for US women's soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Ron Mexico, @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes, @Nimrod

    No medal for US women’s soccer. Canada wins.

    Sadly, they can get a bronze.

    WSJ: The U.S. will move on to the bronze medal match on Thursday against Australia, while Canada plays Sweden for the gold medal on Friday.

  54. @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    Everyone–at least every American–should understand this.

    On the Atlantic side, the bulk of the slaves went to Brazil, followed by the Caribbean. The place you did *not* want to go was a Caribbean sugar plantation where you were a “consumable”, basically a production input.

    In contrast, the temperate US was an extremely desirable location. Much better working and living conditions than basically anywhere else, including Africa. While being a slave–being unfree–inherently sucks, blacks taken to the US have had a 100-to-1 population expansion. Along, with of course their descendants getting to live in a prosperous and free white-built-run nation.

    [MORE]

    It’s the descendants of the white settlers–of the people who built America–who’ve gotten the ass end of the deal.

  55. @anon
    No medal for US women's soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Ron Mexico, @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes, @Nimrod

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    I saw an article in which the Canuck tranny was referred to as just “Quinn” and wondered why the rest of the name was omitted. Turns out there is no “rest of the name”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn won a bronze medal at the 2016 Summer Olympics with [Men’s] Team Canada.[6] On May 25, 2019, they were named to the roster for the 2019 FIFA Women’s World Cup.[7]

    Personal life
    Born in Toronto to a sporting family, Quinn’s father was a rugby player and their mother played basketball.

    Quinn attended Duke University, where they played collegiate soccer for the Duke Blue Devils.[3]

    In 2020, Quinn came out as transgender, and said that they use they/them pronouns, with Quinn as their full name.[9] They were permitted to continue playing professional women’s football on the basis of their sex (rather than gender identity).[10] They have expressed disappointment with media using their three-word birth name when they came out, stating “it’s crucial to write about trans people using their name & pronouns.”[11] In July 2021, Quinn became the first out non-binary transgender athlete to compete at the Olympic Games.[12][13]

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Oops! I was wrong about “Quinn”. “They” was/were (?) born female, now identifies as something else but still plays for the Canadian women’s team.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn (born Rebecca Catherine Quinn; August 11, 1995) is a Canadian professional soccer player, who is a midfielder for OL Reign and the Canada women's national team.

    , @Badger Down
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Quim? What the hell kind of name is that?

  56. @Matttt
    Anybody else notice how masculine many of the Chinese female Olympians look? I think part of it is so many cut their hair short, but that's not a full explanation. It's somewhat understandable that women in the more strength-based sports would look a little masculine, but why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?

    Replies: @Anon, @jb, @Rosa

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, so I’d be astonished if they weren’t world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use. (And I doubt it’s just the women who are on them).

    • Replies: @peterike
    @jb

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, with a culture that admires cheating, so I’d be astonished if they weren’t world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use.

    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @jb

  57. HA says:
    @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    “The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.”

    The life expectancy of a Brazilian slave working on a sugar plantation was brutally low (I’ve seen numbers as low as 4-7 years, but other sources say it’s closer to 20), and women were in the minority, so in terms of descendants who are around to demand reparations, they don’t really count as much as places where slaves were allowed to reproduce. (If there’s a moral to that story about how best to avoid paying reparations, let’s just say it isn’t very moral — and remember, all those eunuch slaves shipped to Istanbul didn’t produce reparations-demanding descendants, either).

    • Replies: @Alden
    @HA

    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth. Abortion was riskier for the mother in those days. But hey, black slaves were cheap and easily replaced.

    Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed the black women slaves out and about but mysteriously no mulattos; the inevitable result of black women slaves and their non black owners.

    Sounds cruel. But look at the results.

    Replies: @HA, @Paperback Writer

  58. @anon
    No medal for US women's soccer. Canada wins.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/canada-knocks-us-win-womens-soccer-79212607

    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.

    America wins?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Ron Mexico, @Calvin Hobbes, @Calvin Hobbes, @Nimrod

    I’m not sure what makes me happier: the USWNT losing or the fact that Canada’s goal was scored by a biological male.

    • Agree: Abe

  59. Hoop/ball/ribbon gymnastics appears to be immune from PEDs. No enlarged traps, or enlarged head, or mustache. Lean, flexible, pleasant sensibility.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @SafeNow

    SafeNow, the Canadian Ballet.

  60. @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    A J Froude writes that the Carib islands had a constant demand for slaves because due to especially poor conditions slaves did not reproduce there, which they did in America. In some places newly arrived slave suicide was a troubling option that the owners contended with. Also, they had nowhere to run, which they did in Brazil.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @james wilson

    That was supposed to be the origin of the phrase “being sold down the river” (as in down the Mississippi). Supposedly slave owners would threaten recalcitrant slaves with being re-sold to Caribbean plantations if they didn’t obey. If that’s true, then the Caribbean plantations must have been particularly bad if slaves in the US would be aware of how bad it was.

  61. @Anon
    A Greek guy won the men's gold in long jump. And an Italian guy won the men's gold in high jump, sharing the gold with a Qatari. So the track events don't seem so black dominated this year.

    Replies: @Rosa

    The Qatari is actually a Somali or Ethiopian, as black as the night.

  62. @Matttt
    Anybody else notice how masculine many of the Chinese female Olympians look? I think part of it is so many cut their hair short, but that's not a full explanation. It's somewhat understandable that women in the more strength-based sports would look a little masculine, but why do Chinese badminton players, cyclists, and even divers have such masculine faces?

    Replies: @Anon, @jb, @Rosa

    See above: it’s much more difficult to detect doping with sex hormones than in White and Black athletes
    .

  63. Given that the Jamaican women are probably all dopers, it seems cruel to punish women whose testosterone is naturally high, or who have a genetic condition they couldn’t possibly have known at birth. I’m totally opposed to letting “transwomen” (i.e. men) compete against women. But it’s not these people’s fault that they really were born weird.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/trackandfield/namibian-teens-stoke-new-olympic-testosterone-controversy-1.6126829

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    But it’s not these people’s fault that they really were born weird.
     
    This is philosophically the minoritarian whine.

    Sure it's not their fault, but ... so what? It's not the job of the majority/normies to bend over for them either.

    My take would be: If you're a legit XX woman and not cheating, then competing against other women is fine. But if you're a mentally ill man or some sort of XXY or XY (or other) freak, then there's no reason normal women should have to put up with you trying to hone in on their patch. It's their patch. Sport for normal women.

    People/majorities is entitled to make rules/have stuff that works for them, for their group. Other people/minorities do not have some sort of entitlement to it--to insist that things be torqued around so that they are included.

    Everything--your school, community, country club, Harvard, your nation, your house, Olympic medals--does not belong to everyone just because their feelings are hurt by "exclusion".

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  64. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jon

    Johnson had won two bronze medals at the 1984 Olympics, so he had been around the top of the weld sprinting scene for at least 4 years, but actually longer.

    Alan Wells, who might have been the last man to win a hundred meters Olympic gold without steroids, was coached by his wife.

    He nicked the gold in the 100 m with a despairing dive for the tape, and came close up for silver in the 200 m.

    Although some would say his Olympic success was diminished by the boycott by American sprinters and those of some other countries, he took on the top American sprinters just a couple of weeks later and beat them all, including Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson.

    He won gold medals in both sprints in the British Commonwealth games of 1978 and 1982, indicating that he must have been well ahead of the best Jamaican sprinters of that time.

    It was a great pity that the 1980 Olympics was despoiled by the partial boycott, but spoilsport Jimmy Carter got his just desserts later that year, and in retrospect it can be seen that the boycott was completely futile.

    By the next Olympics, we were into the Orwellian world of 1984 and the golden age of steroids for sprinters

    Alan Wells sprunt on into his mid thirties, but only made the semifinals in 1984. He became coach to a national bobsleigh team and made a career as a systems engineer.

    Wells has always been somewhat media shy, and prior to the 1980 Olympics when Margaret Thatcher was attempting to interfere with British Olympic plans, decided to boycott all media because he did not wish to be used as a political tool.

    The British Olympic movement was somewhat divided at the time, with some sports going to the Games, and others, which were presumably more closely aligned with the conservative party of Margaret Thatcher, deciding to boycott.

    Well, if you boycott, you can't complain if you don't win any medals.

    Replies: @Gordo, @sb

    sprunt

    Is that a very irregular past participle or did you just make it up?

    Kudos either way!

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Badger Down
    @Gordo

    Sprint, sprant, sprunt. As in pint, pant, punt.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Gordo

    I made it up because I thought it needed to be made up.

    Sprinten appears to be a weak verb in German, indicating that it was probably borrowed from English, but it seems like it ought to be a strong verb like springen, which means to jump.

    So if you can have spring, sprang, and sprung, I don't see why you can't have sprunt.

  65. Good news: US women’s soccer team eliminated.

    I’ve come around to individual US athletes, but their loss does my heart good.

    • Agree: AnotherDad, tyrone
  66. @Anon
    OT

    A recent piece at Unz embedded a map from SlaveVoyages.org, which sounds like a fun adventure travel agency for blacks who want to learn about their roots and go on some safaris. Actually, it's a half-century-in-the-making scholarly project to reconstruct shipments of African slaves hence and thither by digging up various historical documents. It's currently hosted at Rice University on behalf of a consortium of universities organized by Emory University, and including Harvard and UC Berkeley.

    At any rate I was surprised to learn that the U.S. had a trivial participation in African slavery. For instance, look at this map:

    https://www.slavevoyages.org/static/images/assessment/intro-maps/09.jpg

    Look at those thick lines coming out of Africa, compared to the spidery lines arriving in the U.S. It's even more of a contrast than it looks because the map uses the "Napoleon's Retreat" cartographic trick of logarithmic scaling of thickness to allow for massively different numbers to be graphed.

    So according to this map 387,000 slaves were shipped from Africa to the U.S. (40 percent of which went to Massachusetts or further north), while, for example, 779,000 went to Cuba, 1.02 million went to Jamaica, and 774,000 went to Hispanola (Dominican Republic and Haiti). There were other recipient islands in the Caribbean.

    The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America.

    On another map, which is hard to interpret (the site has exact data files for download, but I'm not going to spend that much time on it), there are shown export paths for about 5 million testicle-free black slaves who went to Arabia.

    Somehow, slavery has become a U.S. whitey thing, but the numbers kind of contradict that.

    Oh, another thing is that the planning of the shipments seems to have been concentrated in England, France, and the Netherlands.

    Replies: @Prester John, @martin_2, @AnotherDad, @HA, @james wilson, @Alden

    Wouldn’t the Portuguese have been involved in transporting slaves to Brazil? Generally, European countries didn’t allow other countries to trade with their colonies.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Alden


    Wouldn’t the Portuguese have been involved in transporting slaves to Brazil?
     
    The map is just showing the movement out of Africa of African slaves, without regard to who was involved. There's another map showing where voyages were organized, and Portugal accounts for 4.2 percent of the slaves. Five Brazilian locations accounted for the organization of the transportation for about 30 percent of the slaves. Ultimately I think that means that some of Brazil's slaves trips were organized elsewhere in Europe, given the number of slaves that went to Brazil.
  67. Steve,
    As a longtime reader here, I wanted to ask (because I don’t remember off-hand) if you’ve done the same analysis of European dominance in the 100m freestyle (the closest swimming analogue to the 100m sprint) since 1980 (and frankly, since the beginning). I did a cursory review of the men’s competition, and, discarding the 1980 Moscow Olympics (also with 8 European men in the final), all eight finalists of this event have been overwhelmingly dominated by European/European diaspora (U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) men. Also, in the last two decades, European diaspora men of Latin heritage (what used to be termed “Peninsulares” to denote descendants of the Conquistadores and the Spanish/Portuguese elite who migrated to Central/South America to govern) have been in the final eight. You could make the case (with additional analysis) that some of these Latin finalists have some Native heritage, but the handful I looked up in Google Images looked typically Spanish/Portuguese elite New World private school types.

    African American (DOS) Cullen Jones qualified and competed with the men’s team in 2008 and 2012, winning a gold in the 4 X 100m relay in 2008 as part of the final, along with a gold 2012 in the 4 X 100m medley relay (swimming in the qualifying heat, not the final), a silver in the 50m freestyle, and a silver in the 4 X 100m medley relay. He did not compete individually in the 100m freestyle in either Olympics, only the 50m, which seems to be his specialty.

    Interestingly, in 2000, US swimmer Anthony Ervin won the gold in the 50m final; he is of Jewish, Indian (sub-continent) and African descent; however, he did not compete in the individual 100m, though he did win a silver with the 4 X 100m freestyle team that the Aussies just beat by 2/10 second.

    Also, US swimmer Nathan Adrian won the gold in the 100m freestyle in 2012 by 1/100 second over Aussie James Magnussen, and a silver on the 4 x 100m freestyle relay team with Michael Phelps and Cullen Jones. He is half European (dad, German) and Asian (mom, Taiwanese).

    Speaking of dominance, the US men have won the gold medal in the 4 X 100 medley since it was introduced as an event in 1960, 15 times out of 16; probably would have been 16 straight if no 1980 boycott; they won the 1976 and 1984 gold in world record time (though 1984 was boycotted as well). That’s an impressive streak.

    • Replies: @Nimrod
    @Captain Tripps

    I haven't done any analysis of swimming myself, but I'd bet it's due to a combination of these factors:

    (1) Barriers to entry for black athletes - it takes money to maintain pools, sponsor a swim team, or to pay to join a top-flight swimming club. A lot of black communities across the globe just don't have the money. Most American Olympic swimmers come from the white middle and lower middle classes. Dara Torres' (12 medals from '88 to '00; I knew a couple of people who raced against her in wealthy Southern California) father was a casino mogul. Mark Spitz's (9 gold medals) dad was rich enough to live in Hawaii for a time. Caleb Dressel (5 golds '20) seems kind of like an archetypal Florida Man but his dad was a veterinarian. Katie Ledecky (10 medals from '12 to '20) is the daughter of some blob personage and the niece of the New York Islanders owner. And so on and on. Michael Phelps's family background (father a cop, mother a school principal) was exceptionally humble compared to his American peers.

    (2) Culture - black people just don't swim that much. I went to a fairly mixed race high school and the black kids wouldn't go near the water. A pretty high percentage of them can't swim, period. This NY Daily News article about the 'minority swimming gap' casts the situation in a typically stupid light. (https://www.nydailynews.com/latino/study-finds-wide-minority-swimming-gap-u-s-article-1.328011.) Supposedly 58% of black kids can't swim, and that's just the people that didn't lie on the survey. I'd guess the actual percentage is much, much higher. Simone Manuel (five medals, '12, '16, '20) and Cullen Jones (four medals, '12, '16) are the only fully black Americans that I know of who have had successful swimming careers, and I'm sure corporate America would shell out millions to sponsor more, if they existed.

    (3) Physique - physically fit, healthy blacks have 5-10% less fat than whites. Less fat equals less buoyancy in the water and more muscular effort diverted towards propulsion. Additionally, no swimming event is a true sprint, of the kind that sub-Saharan Africans dominate in the athletics world. All swimming events are purely aerobic. They inherently involve deprivation of oxygen, which quickly shorts out the fast-twitch muscle fibers black Americans are abundantly blessed with. Black Americans barely feature in the long-distance track events. It's telling that the few black Americans in the sport tend to be short-distance specialists, as you pointed out. And I'm not convinced East Africans would necessarily do better if they swam competitively against whites--again, low fat content militates against swimming prowess.

    That's the best that I can do, although I'm sure our host could do better or knows where to find better stats to back up my hunches.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Anonymous

  68. @HA
    @Anon

    "The big numbers went to Brazil, 4.8 million and about 800,000 to elsewhere in South America."

    The life expectancy of a Brazilian slave working on a sugar plantation was brutally low (I've seen numbers as low as 4-7 years, but other sources say it's closer to 20), and women were in the minority, so in terms of descendants who are around to demand reparations, they don't really count as much as places where slaves were allowed to reproduce. (If there's a moral to that story about how best to avoid paying reparations, let's just say it isn't very moral -- and remember, all those eunuch slaves shipped to Istanbul didn't produce reparations-demanding descendants, either).

    Replies: @Alden

    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth. Abortion was riskier for the mother in those days. But hey, black slaves were cheap and easily replaced.

    Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed the black women slaves out and about but mysteriously no mulattos; the inevitable result of black women slaves and their non black owners.

    Sounds cruel. But look at the results.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Alden

    "Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth."

    Prostitutes' children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business:


    The Swiss traveler Johann Louis Burckhardt estimated that 5,000 Ethiopian slaves passed through the port of Suakin alone every year, headed for Arabia, and added that most of them were young women who ended up being prostituted by their owners.
     
    As for eunuchs, the same article notes that Islam forbids castration, so that was a trade left to the Coptic and Ethiopian Christian priests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Alden


    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies.
     
    Source?

    I used to read a lot about the Ottomans and from what I gather, most of the black slaves were males who were castrated, to be used as overseers for the harems. White eunuchs were less common and used for other things. To be honest I don't remember what the use was for white eunuchs, I do remember that Stephen Runciman said that the Ottoman Empire was (paraphrasing) "a haven for eunuchs."

    Black women were mostly household drudges and nannies. They were not at all popular in the harems. They had plenty of gorgeous Circassians and E. Europeans for that job.

    A picture tells a thousand words:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-last-concubines-and-eunuchs-of-ottoman-harem-in-1909-43951750.html

    Replies: @Alden, @black sea

  69. @Prester John
    @Anon

    If the US ever has to pay "reparations" to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Spect3r

    If the US ever has to pay “reparations” to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.

    No. No reparations without repatriation.

    As with much else, we need “conservative” intellectuals and politicians to stop being pansies and clearly state obvious truths:

    American blacks are the huge beneficiaries of slavery.

    Their ancestors’ slavery has radically improved, their situation. (None of us exist at all without the history in our timeline, before pa was on top of ma, but that’s a more general point.) Hundreds of millions of Africans would gladly change places with them–right now!

    You want compensation for your ancestors slavery–fine. But you have to give up the huge benefit you’ve already derived and go back.

  70. The winning time for the women’s hundred meters would not have qualified for the Texas Boys 100-meter in 2021.

    https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Division/Top.aspx?DivID=118498

    I thought Steve would be interest that the second fastest time was Jose Garcia from Harlingen, TX.

    https://goutsa.com/news/2021/6/9/track-field-cross-country-utsa-signs-state-champion-sprinter-jose-garcia.aspx

    • Replies: @Ola
    @guest007


    The winning time for the women’s hundred meters would not have qualified for the Texas Boys 100-meter in 2021.
     
    5.7 m/s tailwind ...

    https://maximmoinat.github.io/windCalculator.html
  71. @James Speaks
    Let's review:
    1) PED yielding
    2) Women who look like men.
    3) Wokeness yielding
    4) Women who are men and ugly to boot.
    5) No spectators
    6) NBC

    So, as is my suggestion in other situations, we have the technology, we can do it, next time around, an all digital Olympics.

    Replies: @guest007

    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.. Remember, the 1988 Olympics in Seoul were also low rated and that was before the internet and cable news letting everyone know who won. The Seoul Olympics also occurred during the cold war.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @guest007


    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.
     
    I doubt that will help. The reason that TV coverage of the Olympics has been generally poor this year is because the IOC sold the exclusive broadcasting rights to these and the Paris games to Discovery for more than a billion dollars.

    Discovery limit all other broadcasters to only two simultaneous live streams in a desperate attempt to attract people to pay for what they had previously had for free.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64), @guest007

  72. @Paperback Writer
    Given that the Jamaican women are probably all dopers, it seems cruel to punish women whose testosterone is naturally high, or who have a genetic condition they couldn't possibly have known at birth. I'm totally opposed to letting "transwomen" (i.e. men) compete against women. But it's not these people's fault that they really were born weird.

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/trackandfield/namibian-teens-stoke-new-olympic-testosterone-controversy-1.6126829

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    But it’s not these people’s fault that they really were born weird.

    This is philosophically the minoritarian whine.

    Sure it’s not their fault, but … so what? It’s not the job of the majority/normies to bend over for them either.

    My take would be: If you’re a legit XX woman and not cheating, then competing against other women is fine. But if you’re a mentally ill man or some sort of XXY or XY (or other) freak, then there’s no reason normal women should have to put up with you trying to hone in on their patch. It’s their patch. Sport for normal women.

    People/majorities is entitled to make rules/have stuff that works for them, for their group. Other people/minorities do not have some sort of entitlement to it–to insist that things be torqued around so that they are included.

    Everything–your school, community, country club, Harvard, your nation, your house, Olympic medals–does not belong to everyone just because their feelings are hurt by “exclusion”.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AnotherDad

    But that's the new definition of "freedom" of association" you're free, at your sole discretion, to associate in any way you chose with those lower on the (ever changing) Liberal Totem Pole. Sports sometimes doesn't comply, but the "Womens " soccer final. US v Canada, did go the way of the trans not the dykes.

    Recent history has proven that the entire world is free to associate with White American Tax-payers.

  73. Male weightlifter flops in women’s event, last in the finals.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/laurel-hubbards-olympic-dream-dies-under-worlds-gaze

    It is widely accepted there is a 10%‑50% performance advantage that exists between male and female after puberty, and without a women’s sport category there would be a tiny number of women in international sport. Dina Asher-Smith, Britain’s fastest female runner, has run 10.83sec for 100m. That is an incredible feat. But it is still slower than the English boys under‑15 record of 10.8sec.

    After that, however, it gets more contentious. The IOC has tried to navigate the tightrope between fairness and safety on one side and inclusion on the other, without ever appearing entirely convincing. On Thursday it praised Hubbard’s “courage and tenacity”, with the IOC’s medical and science director, Dr Richard Budgett, saying “everyone agrees that trans women are women”.

    Yet the very next day, Budgett told the Guardian the IOC’s 2015 guidelines, which provided the justification for Hubbard to compete in Tokyo, were no longer backed by science. That is because a growing number of studies have reported that the 10%-50% performance advantage that exists between males and females after puberty does not appear to be significantly reduced suppressing testosterone.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @YetAnotherAnon

    This grotesque farce has just begun, just give it some more time and these 'trans' athletes will kill all competition. Olympics's very prestigious and many more of these 'women' will chase glory in the future since the doors have been opened. It'll be as farcical as Nero in the ancient Olympics.

    https://inshorts.com/en/news/roman-emperor-won-1808-events-in-ancient-olympics-1470465309648


    Roman emperor Nero won 1,808 events in a single ancient Olympic Games, a tournament he got rigged by threats and bribes. In chariot race, Nero entered the four-horse race with a team of 10 horses and was thrown from his chariot, but he was proclaimed the champion on the grounds that he would have won had he finished the race.
     
  74. @Tiny Duck
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She was probably thinking about how much she desired the touch of there brothers

    Replies: @tyrone

    Tiny , try not to be such a gibbering idiot ,we’ve come to expect a certain standard (a low one) of trolling…..so disappointed .

  75. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”
    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.


    In all likelihood, there is no 'rest of the story' because the story is fictional in the first place. I have lost count of the number of Black employees who have excused absences or lateness by appeal to "my grandma's funeral" in spite of the fact that he or she had already used the same grandma's purported death twice already in the last year or two.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Spect3r, @J.Ross

    kaga, years ago I had an apprentice on a job who didn’t show up for work on a Saturday, which was time and a half. I asked him on Monday why he missed work on Saturday. “Joe, a plane crashed into my house and killed my wife and three of my four kids.” Nonplussed I asked…”One managed to survive?” “Well, yeah, I saved one in case needed a day off in the future.” Back to the Union Hall for Mr. Smart Ass.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoG7gqet7nY

  76. @SafeNow
    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/grace-legote.jpg.optimal.jpg

    Hoop/ball/ribbon gymnastics appears to be immune from PEDs. No enlarged traps, or enlarged head, or mustache. Lean, flexible, pleasant sensibility.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    SafeNow, the Canadian Ballet.

    • LOL: SafeNow
  77. @Barnard
    @Anon

    The symphony orchestras exist due the donations of very wealthy donors. They are disproportionately liberal and the average performer is even further left than the donors. I listen to classical MPR sometimes in the car, the promos they run almost sound satirical as a stereotype of what a wealthy Minnesota liberal would want to hear. I don't think they have a long term solution for this.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Read Tom Wolfe’s 1970 classic “Radical Chic” It’s a hoot.
    Great as an audio book along with “Mai Mauing the Flack Catchers”.

    I was struck by how much, literally over half a century, nothing has changed.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Bill Jones

    I was a Flak Catcher. I remember it so well. And you are right. Nothing has changed at all, including Pelosi and Feinstein.

    Tom Wolfe didn’t mention the most important thing about the entire radical movement. It was funded by billions from the federal state and local governments and the great tax exempt Foundations. And the leadership was Jewish. Grandchildren and gr grandchildren of the Ellis Island communist revolutionaries. Mostly Noo Yawk immigrants with Ivy League and top 20 Uni degrees . Only time in my life I met so many Harvard commies.

  78. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    But it’s not these people’s fault that they really were born weird.
     
    This is philosophically the minoritarian whine.

    Sure it's not their fault, but ... so what? It's not the job of the majority/normies to bend over for them either.

    My take would be: If you're a legit XX woman and not cheating, then competing against other women is fine. But if you're a mentally ill man or some sort of XXY or XY (or other) freak, then there's no reason normal women should have to put up with you trying to hone in on their patch. It's their patch. Sport for normal women.

    People/majorities is entitled to make rules/have stuff that works for them, for their group. Other people/minorities do not have some sort of entitlement to it--to insist that things be torqued around so that they are included.

    Everything--your school, community, country club, Harvard, your nation, your house, Olympic medals--does not belong to everyone just because their feelings are hurt by "exclusion".

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    But that’s the new definition of “freedom” of association” you’re free, at your sole discretion, to associate in any way you chose with those lower on the (ever changing) Liberal Totem Pole. Sports sometimes doesn’t comply, but the “Womens ” soccer final. US v Canada, did go the way of the trans not the dykes.

    Recent history has proven that the entire world is free to associate with White American Tax-payers.

  79. @guest007
    The winning time for the women's hundred meters would not have qualified for the Texas Boys 100-meter in 2021.

    https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Division/Top.aspx?DivID=118498

    I thought Steve would be interest that the second fastest time was Jose Garcia from Harlingen, TX.

    https://goutsa.com/news/2021/6/9/track-field-cross-country-utsa-signs-state-champion-sprinter-jose-garcia.aspx

    Replies: @Ola

    The winning time for the women’s hundred meters would not have qualified for the Texas Boys 100-meter in 2021.

    5.7 m/s tailwind …

    https://maximmoinat.github.io/windCalculator.html

  80. @Calvin Hobbes
    @anon


    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.
     
    I saw an article in which the Canuck tranny was referred to as just “Quinn” and wondered why the rest of the name was omitted. Turns out there is no “rest of the name”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn won a bronze medal at the 2016 Summer Olympics with [Men’s] Team Canada.[6] On May 25, 2019, they were named to the roster for the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup.[7]

    Personal life
    Born in Toronto to a sporting family, Quinn's father was a rugby player and their mother played basketball.

    Quinn attended Duke University, where they played collegiate soccer for the Duke Blue Devils.[3]

    In 2020, Quinn came out as transgender, and said that they use they/them pronouns, with Quinn as their full name.[9] They were permitted to continue playing professional women's football on the basis of their sex (rather than gender identity).[10] They have expressed disappointment with media using their three-word birth name when they came out, stating "it's crucial to write about trans people using their name & pronouns."[11] In July 2021, Quinn became the first out non-binary transgender athlete to compete at the Olympic Games.[12][13]

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Badger Down

    Oops! I was wrong about “Quinn”. “They” was/were (?) born female, now identifies as something else but still plays for the Canadian women’s team.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn (born Rebecca Catherine Quinn; August 11, 1995) is a Canadian professional soccer player, who is a midfielder for OL Reign and the Canada women’s national team.

  81. @Buffalo Joe
    @kaganovitch

    kaga, years ago I had an apprentice on a job who didn't show up for work on a Saturday, which was time and a half. I asked him on Monday why he missed work on Saturday. "Joe, a plane crashed into my house and killed my wife and three of my four kids." Nonplussed I asked..."One managed to survive?" "Well, yeah, I saved one in case needed a day off in the future." Back to the Union Hall for Mr. Smart Ass.

    Replies: @Truth

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  82. • Replies: @El Dato
    @Desiderius

    Fact check more like Fat cheque?

    They will check the facts on that one.

    Anyone who relies on Facebook for Facts deserves the Facts coming his way.

  83. @Alden
    @HA

    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth. Abortion was riskier for the mother in those days. But hey, black slaves were cheap and easily replaced.

    Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed the black women slaves out and about but mysteriously no mulattos; the inevitable result of black women slaves and their non black owners.

    Sounds cruel. But look at the results.

    Replies: @HA, @Paperback Writer

    “Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth.”

    Prostitutes’ children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business:

    The Swiss traveler Johann Louis Burckhardt estimated that 5,000 Ethiopian slaves passed through the port of Suakin alone every year, headed for Arabia, and added that most of them were young women who ended up being prostituted by their owners.

    As for eunuchs, the same article notes that Islam forbids castration, so that was a trade left to the Coptic and Ethiopian Christian priests.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @HA

    Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery.

    About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that's a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail? Maybe Islam forbids castration of a Muslim, but not a non-Muslim. However, I'm no expert on Islamic law.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Alden
    @HA

    For centuries Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed numerous black women slaves out and about doing errands or working in the shops and work shops. But no mulatto or black children as were seen all over Arabia N Africa the Americas and the Caribbean.

    Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines. Many were just household help, farm workers weavers seamstresses shop clerks worked in small factories etc. But the Turks pursued a strict policy of no children of black slaves.

    Turkey had little need for black prostitutes. It had Slavic slaves from the whole of East Europe from Crimea and Bulgaria all the way north to Finland The main business of Tatars, Chechnynans and other Muslim tribes was capturing Slavic slavishly for the Turks.

    Plus the Turks themselves captured slaves from the coasts of France Spain Italy Ireland England and even Iceland. The Turks and Algerians had smaller ships that went up the French rivers to capture slaves and loot. In fact, except for fortified cities like Toulouse and Marseille, the Mediterranean coast of France was sparsely inhabited until 19th century because of Turk and Algerian slave raiders.

    DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA. Because black men slaves were eunuchs and the black women weren’t allowed to have children.

    This might be feminazi and persnickety. I don’t think it’s correct to refer to a woman slave sold to a pimp brothel keeper as a prostitute. She had no choice. No more than any other slave had a choice of what work the owner made her or him do.

    I’ve become interested in Turkish history in the last few years. Incredible powerful and successful.

    Replies: @HA, @JMcG

  84. @S. Anonyia
    @Jonathan Mason

    Unfortunately one reason the gender gap will narrow in the women’s 200 is that the two Namibians who made the finals are not actually women. They were originally 400 runners who dropped down because they had “high testosterone”....the media’s way of confirming they have the same intersex condition as Caster Semenya.

    IOC was stupid to think poor countries wouldn’t put these XY DSD athletes in events other than the 400, 800, 1500 (where they are currently banned).

    Just watch them run next to the women in the semifinals it’s so obvious they are teenage boys.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I thought they were disqualified.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Paperback Writer

    No, I see she ran & beat the American in the qualifying heat.

  85. OT:

    The National Library of Australia is a site apparently infected by racist filth that it is honor-bound to warn you about:

    What are we coming to?

    Probably a fight between Traditional Owners and Chinese Owners.

  86. I liked the plot twist where Sha’Na’Na Ric’ardson was disqualified for marijuana and then the event is swept by Jamaicans. Is that irony or just O. Henry?

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  87. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Mockingjay20211/status/1421557408480915457?s=20

    Replies: @El Dato

    Fact check more like Fat cheque?

    They will check the facts on that one.

    Anyone who relies on Facebook for Facts deserves the Facts coming his way.

  88. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Daughter C and I watched the women's 100m final.

    Conversation as the runners were being introduced:

    Me: Look at the heads and faces of those Jamaican runners.

    Daughter C: Right. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . they all look kind of . . . masculine.

    Me: You don't know who Barry Bonds is, but that's who they all resemble.

    ...

    (Jamaicans place 1-2-3, blowing away the rest of the field like it's not even there.)

    Daughter C: Right.

    Replies: @Tiny Duck, @J.Ross

    All this time the evil white man has talked about keeping Black Kings and Queens off drugs
    [dramatic photograph of black athlete]
    AND NOW WE KNOW WHY

  89. OT Another police officer who responded to the January 6th “riot” has “committed suicide.” This one delighted in the magnificently iStevey appelation of Gunther Hashida. I’m racistly guessing he was smart enough for other jobs but became a cop out of a sense of concern for society. I’m also guessing he wasn’t suicidal.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gunther-hashida-death-by-suicide-capitol-police-officer/

  90. I’m hoping Dame Allyson Felix wins something.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    I’m hoping Dame Allyson Felix wins something.
     
    I like her too. She seems very normal and likeable. (And more feminine and more attractive than most black women.)

    And that Caster dude stole her 400m gold in Rio. It would be cool for her to win there--but unlikely.

    She has a better shot being part of the 4x4. But honestly i think she would have been better served hanging 'em up, having a 2nd kid and going ahead with being a full time mom.

    Tide and tide wait for no man--or woman.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  91. And then they came for… Noel Clarke

  92. @Paperback Writer
    @S. Anonyia

    I thought they were disqualified.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    No, I see she ran & beat the American in the qualifying heat.

  93. @Captain Tripps
    Steve,
    As a longtime reader here, I wanted to ask (because I don't remember off-hand) if you've done the same analysis of European dominance in the 100m freestyle (the closest swimming analogue to the 100m sprint) since 1980 (and frankly, since the beginning). I did a cursory review of the men's competition, and, discarding the 1980 Moscow Olympics (also with 8 European men in the final), all eight finalists of this event have been overwhelmingly dominated by European/European diaspora (U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) men. Also, in the last two decades, European diaspora men of Latin heritage (what used to be termed "Peninsulares" to denote descendants of the Conquistadores and the Spanish/Portuguese elite who migrated to Central/South America to govern) have been in the final eight. You could make the case (with additional analysis) that some of these Latin finalists have some Native heritage, but the handful I looked up in Google Images looked typically Spanish/Portuguese elite New World private school types.

    African American (DOS) Cullen Jones qualified and competed with the men's team in 2008 and 2012, winning a gold in the 4 X 100m relay in 2008 as part of the final, along with a gold 2012 in the 4 X 100m medley relay (swimming in the qualifying heat, not the final), a silver in the 50m freestyle, and a silver in the 4 X 100m medley relay. He did not compete individually in the 100m freestyle in either Olympics, only the 50m, which seems to be his specialty.

    Interestingly, in 2000, US swimmer Anthony Ervin won the gold in the 50m final; he is of Jewish, Indian (sub-continent) and African descent; however, he did not compete in the individual 100m, though he did win a silver with the 4 X 100m freestyle team that the Aussies just beat by 2/10 second.

    Also, US swimmer Nathan Adrian won the gold in the 100m freestyle in 2012 by 1/100 second over Aussie James Magnussen, and a silver on the 4 x 100m freestyle relay team with Michael Phelps and Cullen Jones. He is half European (dad, German) and Asian (mom, Taiwanese).

    Speaking of dominance, the US men have won the gold medal in the 4 X 100 medley since it was introduced as an event in 1960, 15 times out of 16; probably would have been 16 straight if no 1980 boycott; they won the 1976 and 1984 gold in world record time (though 1984 was boycotted as well). That's an impressive streak.

    Replies: @Nimrod

    I haven’t done any analysis of swimming myself, but I’d bet it’s due to a combination of these factors:

    (1) Barriers to entry for black athletes – it takes money to maintain pools, sponsor a swim team, or to pay to join a top-flight swimming club. A lot of black communities across the globe just don’t have the money. Most American Olympic swimmers come from the white middle and lower middle classes. Dara Torres’ (12 medals from ’88 to ’00; I knew a couple of people who raced against her in wealthy Southern California) father was a casino mogul. Mark Spitz’s (9 gold medals) dad was rich enough to live in Hawaii for a time. Caleb Dressel (5 golds ’20) seems kind of like an archetypal Florida Man but his dad was a veterinarian. Katie Ledecky (10 medals from ’12 to ’20) is the daughter of some blob personage and the niece of the New York Islanders owner. And so on and on. Michael Phelps’s family background (father a cop, mother a school principal) was exceptionally humble compared to his American peers.

    (2) Culture – black people just don’t swim that much. I went to a fairly mixed race high school and the black kids wouldn’t go near the water. A pretty high percentage of them can’t swim, period. This NY Daily News article about the ‘minority swimming gap’ casts the situation in a typically stupid light. (https://www.nydailynews.com/latino/study-finds-wide-minority-swimming-gap-u-s-article-1.328011.) Supposedly 58% of black kids can’t swim, and that’s just the people that didn’t lie on the survey. I’d guess the actual percentage is much, much higher. Simone Manuel (five medals, ’12, ’16, ’20) and Cullen Jones (four medals, ’12, ’16) are the only fully black Americans that I know of who have had successful swimming careers, and I’m sure corporate America would shell out millions to sponsor more, if they existed.

    (3) Physique – physically fit, healthy blacks have 5-10% less fat than whites. Less fat equals less buoyancy in the water and more muscular effort diverted towards propulsion. Additionally, no swimming event is a true sprint, of the kind that sub-Saharan Africans dominate in the athletics world. All swimming events are purely aerobic. They inherently involve deprivation of oxygen, which quickly shorts out the fast-twitch muscle fibers black Americans are abundantly blessed with. Black Americans barely feature in the long-distance track events. It’s telling that the few black Americans in the sport tend to be short-distance specialists, as you pointed out. And I’m not convinced East Africans would necessarily do better if they swam competitively against whites–again, low fat content militates against swimming prowess.

    That’s the best that I can do, although I’m sure our host could do better or knows where to find better stats to back up my hunches.

    • Thanks: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Nimrod

    In one of Vince Flynn’s books a group of Seals go around killing politicians they don’t like. One of the killers is in blackface to throw the scent off the Seals. My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the Seals particularly, because of the swimming requirement. Someone who knows something please feel free to correct me.

    Flynn wrote pretty good thrillers, for a ‘Bellhop’. (A graduate of St. Thomas Academy in St. Paul, so nicknamed for the stripe on their uniform trousers. STA was my high school’s hated rival. Perhaps because they were richer and smarter than us…)

    Replies: @Nimrod

    , @Anonymous
    @Nimrod

    The lakes and rivers of Africa are full of dangerous animals, which is not the case in the rest of the world. It's not just humans that are affected by this. Apparently, the chimpanzee populations on the two banks of the Congo have significant genetic differences. There is no gene flow across the river.

  94. @Antipodean Coward
    @Unladen Swallow

    Sounds like you're talking about urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio.

    This could also explain Asian performance in weightlifting etc "urinary testosterone to epitestosterone ratio, commonly used in international antidoping test programs, is considerably lower in Asians than Caucasians, leading to difficulties in interpretation of the results. The limited effect of androgen doping on testosterone excretion in Asian populations increases the risk of false-negative results"

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/91/2/687/2843517

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    Quite possible that was the test, I think was written either late 1989 or 1990, but I remember thinking it was an uncommonly well researched article, especially for a sports magazine. I wish I held on to the issue, I’m sure something like it could not be written today within the woke media.

  95. OT:

    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men’s hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @PiltdownMan

    My response was "holy shit" Benjamin ran an incredible race as well. Most 400m (no hurdles) run in the 45s.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PiltdownMan


    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men’s hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

     

    If you were headline-scanning at ESPN, though, you would not find it too easy to discover this fact.

    Here's how their story on the men's 400m hurdles final is headlined:


    Olympics 2021 live updates: A blazing world record, Allyson Felix cruises to semis, plus more from Tokyo

     

    Here's how the part of the story relevant to the 400 race begins:

    American Rai Benjamin broke the previous world record in the 400-meter hurdles . . .

     

    They do then admit that Warholm participated in the race also, and that it just so happened he also managed to set a new world record, like Raj Benjamin, and that by some quirk his time was actually under 46 seconds, and hence technically faster than Raj Benjamin's world-record-setting time . . . .

    I exaggerate slightly, but the home-team tone of the article is hilarious.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jonathan Mason

  96. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @Anon

    Wouldn’t the Portuguese have been involved in transporting slaves to Brazil? Generally, European countries didn’t allow other countries to trade with their colonies.

    Replies: @Anon

    Wouldn’t the Portuguese have been involved in transporting slaves to Brazil?

    The map is just showing the movement out of Africa of African slaves, without regard to who was involved. There’s another map showing where voyages were organized, and Portugal accounts for 4.2 percent of the slaves. Five Brazilian locations accounted for the organization of the transportation for about 30 percent of the slaves. Ultimately I think that means that some of Brazil’s slaves trips were organized elsewhere in Europe, given the number of slaves that went to Brazil.

    • Thanks: Alden
  97. OT NOT DUPLICATE Another police officer who responded — no, stop, I haven’t made a mistake. Gunther Hachida was the third to “commit suicide.” Kyle DeFreytag is now the fourth to “commit suicide.” Any bets on number five?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/566040-fourth-police-officer-who-responded-to-jan-6-attack-dies-by-suicide-report

    Is this what Biden was babbling about when he dove into insane Soviet hero worship, and everyone was like, what are you even talking about, one guy had a stroke and a woman was murdered but on the other side? Did he already know about all the “suicide”? Being a cop is a stressful job but four “suicides” tied to one day is starting to look noticeable.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @J.Ross


    OT NOT DUPLICATE Another police officer who responded — no, stop, I haven’t made a mistake. Gunther Hachida was the third to “commit suicide.” Kyle DeFreytag is now the fourth to “commit suicide.” Any bets on number five?
     
    I'll go with Whitman, Price, or Haddad.

    Replies: @res

  98. When will transwomen start competing in these events?

  99. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men's hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @The Last Real Calvinist

    My response was “holy shit” Benjamin ran an incredible race as well. Most 400m (no hurdles) run in the 45s.

  100. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Be that as it may…

    IQ…

    still matters…

  101. @james wilson
    @Anon

    A J Froude writes that the Carib islands had a constant demand for slaves because due to especially poor conditions slaves did not reproduce there, which they did in America. In some places newly arrived slave suicide was a troubling option that the owners contended with. Also, they had nowhere to run, which they did in Brazil.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    That was supposed to be the origin of the phrase “being sold down the river” (as in down the Mississippi). Supposedly slave owners would threaten recalcitrant slaves with being re-sold to Caribbean plantations if they didn’t obey. If that’s true, then the Caribbean plantations must have been particularly bad if slaves in the US would be aware of how bad it was.

  102. @YetAnotherAnon
    Male weightlifter flops in women's event, last in the finals.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/02/laurel-hubbards-olympic-dream-dies-under-worlds-gaze

    It is widely accepted there is a 10%‑50% performance advantage that exists between male and female after puberty, and without a women’s sport category there would be a tiny number of women in international sport. Dina Asher-Smith, Britain’s fastest female runner, has run 10.83sec for 100m. That is an incredible feat. But it is still slower than the English boys under‑15 record of 10.8sec.

    After that, however, it gets more contentious. The IOC has tried to navigate the tightrope between fairness and safety on one side and inclusion on the other, without ever appearing entirely convincing. On Thursday it praised Hubbard’s “courage and tenacity”, with the IOC’s medical and science director, Dr Richard Budgett, saying “everyone agrees that trans women are women”.

    Yet the very next day, Budgett told the Guardian the IOC’s 2015 guidelines, which provided the justification for Hubbard to compete in Tokyo, were no longer backed by science. That is because a growing number of studies have reported that the 10%-50% performance advantage that exists between males and females after puberty does not appear to be significantly reduced suppressing testosterone.
     

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    This grotesque farce has just begun, just give it some more time and these ‘trans’ athletes will kill all competition. Olympics’s very prestigious and many more of these ‘women’ will chase glory in the future since the doors have been opened. It’ll be as farcical as Nero in the ancient Olympics.

    https://inshorts.com/en/news/roman-emperor-won-1808-events-in-ancient-olympics-1470465309648

    Roman emperor Nero won 1,808 events in a single ancient Olympic Games, a tournament he got rigged by threats and bribes. In chariot race, Nero entered the four-horse race with a team of 10 horses and was thrown from his chariot, but he was proclaimed the champion on the grounds that he would have won had he finished the race.

  103. @PiltdownMan
    OT:

    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men's hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @The Last Real Calvinist

    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men’s hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

    If you were headline-scanning at ESPN, though, you would not find it too easy to discover this fact.

    Here’s how their story on the men’s 400m hurdles final is headlined:

    Olympics 2021 live updates: A blazing world record, Allyson Felix cruises to semis, plus more from Tokyo

    Here’s how the part of the story relevant to the 400 race begins:

    American Rai Benjamin broke the previous world record in the 400-meter hurdles . . .

    They do then admit that Warholm participated in the race also, and that it just so happened he also managed to set a new world record, like Raj Benjamin, and that by some quirk his time was actually under 46 seconds, and hence technically faster than Raj Benjamin’s world-record-setting time . . . .

    I exaggerate slightly, but the home-team tone of the article is hilarious.

    • Thanks: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Karsten Warholm's breaking of the world record in the 400m hurdles by more than a full three-quarters of a second, from 46.70 to 46.94, is a simply astonishing feat.

    It is more astonishing than even Usain Bolt's breaking the 100m sprint world record by a tenth of a second, from 9.69 to 9.58, in 2009.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Televised coverage of the Olympic games is not really aimed at sports fans, but at casual viewers who are consumers of the products manufactured by the sponsors.

    In every country in the world the people who produce the televised sports coverage and comment on it are under instructions to focus relentlessly on the achievements of hometown athletes while the athletes of other nations are to be regarded as collateral damage.

    Hence NBC has developed a standard routine of only covering sports in which US athletes have a likelihood of getting the gold medal. Time which could have been given to covering other sports is devoted to pieces about how the US athlete overcame childhood in an orphanage, or having a limb or two amputated as a child, before becoming a world-class performer.

    This seems to work much better in the Olympic games than in competitions like the world cup of soccer, because in the soccer world cup nearly all of the top players are international stars who have a fan base in different countries, and even those who are not well known are often future international Stars who will play for clubs in countries other than their own.

  104. @Paperback Writer
    I'm hoping Dame Allyson Felix wins something.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I’m hoping Dame Allyson Felix wins something.

    I like her too. She seems very normal and likeable. (And more feminine and more attractive than most black women.)

    And that Caster dude stole her 400m gold in Rio. It would be cool for her to win there–but unlikely.

    She has a better shot being part of the 4×4. But honestly i think she would have been better served hanging ’em up, having a 2nd kid and going ahead with being a full time mom.

    Tide and tide wait for no man–or woman.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Well, speaking as a minoratarian (LOL), I'm not Felix' life coach, and I'm happy to see her back. She had a hard childbirth and is entitled to take a break between pregnancies.

    She is indeed attractive in a girl next door way. She shows absolutely none of the unpleasant attributes of modern womanhood white or black. Likes steak & ice cream and baking.

    Does not wear fake eyelashes.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/07/22/USAT/4d704829-28c1-4417-92d5-d4b58cf341be-GTY_1325671451.jpg?width=660&height=440&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  105. Tide and tide wait for no man–or woman.

    You’d think she’d want a Fresh Start, but she’ll likely wait until she’s All washed up before taking the wisk of childbirth aGain.

  106. @J.Ross
    OT NOT DUPLICATE Another police officer who responded -- no, stop, I haven't made a mistake. Gunther Hachida was the third to "commit suicide." Kyle DeFreytag is now the fourth to "commit suicide." Any bets on number five?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/566040-fourth-police-officer-who-responded-to-jan-6-attack-dies-by-suicide-report

    Is this what Biden was babbling about when he dove into insane Soviet hero worship, and everyone was like, what are you even talking about, one guy had a stroke and a woman was murdered but on the other side? Did he already know about all the "suicide"? Being a cop is a stressful job but four "suicides" tied to one day is starting to look noticeable.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    OT NOT DUPLICATE Another police officer who responded — no, stop, I haven’t made a mistake. Gunther Hachida was the third to “commit suicide.” Kyle DeFreytag is now the fourth to “commit suicide.” Any bets on number five?

    I’ll go with Whitman, Price, or Haddad.

    • Replies: @res
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Nice reference. The movie title even works for the thread.

  107. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest007
    @James Speaks

    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.. Remember, the 1988 Olympics in Seoul were also low rated and that was before the internet and cable news letting everyone know who won. The Seoul Olympics also occurred during the cold war.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.

    I doubt that will help. The reason that TV coverage of the Olympics has been generally poor this year is because the IOC sold the exclusive broadcasting rights to these and the Paris games to Discovery for more than a billion dollars.

    Discovery limit all other broadcasters to only two simultaneous live streams in a desperate attempt to attract people to pay for what they had previously had for free.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Anonymous

    Indeed I am sure viewership has crashed they don't even allow after event Youtube clips to be posted.

    , @guest007
    @Anonymous

    The discovery media rights is for Europe and not for the U.S. Discovery purchase the rights for all of Europe and then old the rights in each country (kind of forgetting out the internet). However, Discovery paid much less than NBC did for the rights to the Olympics.

    NBC is about the least sports oriented major network and view the Olympics not as sports viewing but as human drama viewing that appeals to casual female viewer who are suppose to be more interested in the back stories than the actual performance. That is why American viewers have given a ride who of women's Gymnastics, women's swimming, women's soccer, and human interest stories on any other female athlete who is vying for a gold medal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

  108. @Anonymous
    @guest007


    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.
     
    I doubt that will help. The reason that TV coverage of the Olympics has been generally poor this year is because the IOC sold the exclusive broadcasting rights to these and the Paris games to Discovery for more than a billion dollars.

    Discovery limit all other broadcasters to only two simultaneous live streams in a desperate attempt to attract people to pay for what they had previously had for free.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64), @guest007

    Indeed I am sure viewership has crashed they don’t even allow after event Youtube clips to be posted.

  109. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PiltdownMan


    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men’s hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

     

    If you were headline-scanning at ESPN, though, you would not find it too easy to discover this fact.

    Here's how their story on the men's 400m hurdles final is headlined:


    Olympics 2021 live updates: A blazing world record, Allyson Felix cruises to semis, plus more from Tokyo

     

    Here's how the part of the story relevant to the 400 race begins:

    American Rai Benjamin broke the previous world record in the 400-meter hurdles . . .

     

    They do then admit that Warholm participated in the race also, and that it just so happened he also managed to set a new world record, like Raj Benjamin, and that by some quirk his time was actually under 46 seconds, and hence technically faster than Raj Benjamin's world-record-setting time . . . .

    I exaggerate slightly, but the home-team tone of the article is hilarious.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jonathan Mason

    Karsten Warholm’s breaking of the world record in the 400m hurdles by more than a full three-quarters of a second, from 46.70 to 46.94, is a simply astonishing feat.

    It is more astonishing than even Usain Bolt’s breaking the 100m sprint world record by a tenth of a second, from 9.69 to 9.58, in 2009.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @PiltdownMan

    Back in the stone age when I was a kid, ABC did Olympic coverage.

    The tone was definitely pre-Vietnam pride and pomp, but they made an effort to include non-American champions. In those days Russian ladies totally dominated gymnastics and they always got full coverage. Other foreign stars were respectfully highlighted.

    It was "America First" but not the obnoxious, grating USA!USA!

    So, some of this is definitely "Black Man Magic" but a lot of it is USA!USA! gracelessness.

  110. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PiltdownMan


    A white, Norwegian guy, Karsten Warholm, just won the Olympics 400 meters men’s hurdles, and obliterated the old world record by 0.76 seconds.

     

    If you were headline-scanning at ESPN, though, you would not find it too easy to discover this fact.

    Here's how their story on the men's 400m hurdles final is headlined:


    Olympics 2021 live updates: A blazing world record, Allyson Felix cruises to semis, plus more from Tokyo

     

    Here's how the part of the story relevant to the 400 race begins:

    American Rai Benjamin broke the previous world record in the 400-meter hurdles . . .

     

    They do then admit that Warholm participated in the race also, and that it just so happened he also managed to set a new world record, like Raj Benjamin, and that by some quirk his time was actually under 46 seconds, and hence technically faster than Raj Benjamin's world-record-setting time . . . .

    I exaggerate slightly, but the home-team tone of the article is hilarious.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Jonathan Mason

    Televised coverage of the Olympic games is not really aimed at sports fans, but at casual viewers who are consumers of the products manufactured by the sponsors.

    In every country in the world the people who produce the televised sports coverage and comment on it are under instructions to focus relentlessly on the achievements of hometown athletes while the athletes of other nations are to be regarded as collateral damage.

    Hence NBC has developed a standard routine of only covering sports in which US athletes have a likelihood of getting the gold medal. Time which could have been given to covering other sports is devoted to pieces about how the US athlete overcame childhood in an orphanage, or having a limb or two amputated as a child, before becoming a world-class performer.

    This seems to work much better in the Olympic games than in competitions like the world cup of soccer, because in the soccer world cup nearly all of the top players are international stars who have a fan base in different countries, and even those who are not well known are often future international Stars who will play for clubs in countries other than their own.

  111. @Nimrod
    @Captain Tripps

    I haven't done any analysis of swimming myself, but I'd bet it's due to a combination of these factors:

    (1) Barriers to entry for black athletes - it takes money to maintain pools, sponsor a swim team, or to pay to join a top-flight swimming club. A lot of black communities across the globe just don't have the money. Most American Olympic swimmers come from the white middle and lower middle classes. Dara Torres' (12 medals from '88 to '00; I knew a couple of people who raced against her in wealthy Southern California) father was a casino mogul. Mark Spitz's (9 gold medals) dad was rich enough to live in Hawaii for a time. Caleb Dressel (5 golds '20) seems kind of like an archetypal Florida Man but his dad was a veterinarian. Katie Ledecky (10 medals from '12 to '20) is the daughter of some blob personage and the niece of the New York Islanders owner. And so on and on. Michael Phelps's family background (father a cop, mother a school principal) was exceptionally humble compared to his American peers.

    (2) Culture - black people just don't swim that much. I went to a fairly mixed race high school and the black kids wouldn't go near the water. A pretty high percentage of them can't swim, period. This NY Daily News article about the 'minority swimming gap' casts the situation in a typically stupid light. (https://www.nydailynews.com/latino/study-finds-wide-minority-swimming-gap-u-s-article-1.328011.) Supposedly 58% of black kids can't swim, and that's just the people that didn't lie on the survey. I'd guess the actual percentage is much, much higher. Simone Manuel (five medals, '12, '16, '20) and Cullen Jones (four medals, '12, '16) are the only fully black Americans that I know of who have had successful swimming careers, and I'm sure corporate America would shell out millions to sponsor more, if they existed.

    (3) Physique - physically fit, healthy blacks have 5-10% less fat than whites. Less fat equals less buoyancy in the water and more muscular effort diverted towards propulsion. Additionally, no swimming event is a true sprint, of the kind that sub-Saharan Africans dominate in the athletics world. All swimming events are purely aerobic. They inherently involve deprivation of oxygen, which quickly shorts out the fast-twitch muscle fibers black Americans are abundantly blessed with. Black Americans barely feature in the long-distance track events. It's telling that the few black Americans in the sport tend to be short-distance specialists, as you pointed out. And I'm not convinced East Africans would necessarily do better if they swam competitively against whites--again, low fat content militates against swimming prowess.

    That's the best that I can do, although I'm sure our host could do better or knows where to find better stats to back up my hunches.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Anonymous

    In one of Vince Flynn’s books a group of Seals go around killing politicians they don’t like. One of the killers is in blackface to throw the scent off the Seals. My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the Seals particularly, because of the swimming requirement. Someone who knows something please feel free to correct me.

    Flynn wrote pretty good thrillers, for a ‘Bellhop’. (A graduate of St. Thomas Academy in St. Paul, so nicknamed for the stripe on their uniform trousers. STA was my high school’s hated rival. Perhaps because they were richer and smarter than us…)

    • Replies: @Nimrod
    @Ganderson

    'My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the SEALs particularly.'

    This is correct. We've all seen the famous redpill photo of the white American SEAL platoon posing with Tiger Woods:

    https://i.redd.it/6ki6ne7iq9zy.jpg

    Anecdotally speaking, there are very few black SEALs. Likewise, the US Army's Ranger Regiment, the gateway to service in Delta Force and a couple of other wacko bird three-letter agencies, used to require a 110 GT score on the Army's standard IQ test to qualify for entry. It's dropped the score down to 105, possibly to diversify, possibly to help add more worker bees to their associated intel and support units:

    https://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thRanger/Recruiting.html

    A 105 GT score corresponds to a 110 IQ. That's a solid ten points above the white mean and twenty points above the black mean. There aren't a lot of black kids in Ranger Regiment either.

    Replies: @Anon

  112. @Calvin Hobbes
    @anon


    Megan Rapinoe must be fuming at the very idea of her lesbian gang being beaten by a mere trans. But it would be forbidden to say so, because of the T in LGBT and muh Rainbow, etc.
     
    I saw an article in which the Canuck tranny was referred to as just “Quinn” and wondered why the rest of the name was omitted. Turns out there is no “rest of the name”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_(soccer)

    Quinn won a bronze medal at the 2016 Summer Olympics with [Men’s] Team Canada.[6] On May 25, 2019, they were named to the roster for the 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup.[7]

    Personal life
    Born in Toronto to a sporting family, Quinn's father was a rugby player and their mother played basketball.

    Quinn attended Duke University, where they played collegiate soccer for the Duke Blue Devils.[3]

    In 2020, Quinn came out as transgender, and said that they use they/them pronouns, with Quinn as their full name.[9] They were permitted to continue playing professional women's football on the basis of their sex (rather than gender identity).[10] They have expressed disappointment with media using their three-word birth name when they came out, stating "it's crucial to write about trans people using their name & pronouns."[11] In July 2021, Quinn became the first out non-binary transgender athlete to compete at the Olympic Games.[12][13]

    Replies: @Calvin Hobbes, @Badger Down

    Quim? What the hell kind of name is that?

  113. @AnotherDad
    @Paperback Writer


    I’m hoping Dame Allyson Felix wins something.
     
    I like her too. She seems very normal and likeable. (And more feminine and more attractive than most black women.)

    And that Caster dude stole her 400m gold in Rio. It would be cool for her to win there--but unlikely.

    She has a better shot being part of the 4x4. But honestly i think she would have been better served hanging 'em up, having a 2nd kid and going ahead with being a full time mom.

    Tide and tide wait for no man--or woman.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Well, speaking as a minoratarian (LOL), I’m not Felix’ life coach, and I’m happy to see her back. She had a hard childbirth and is entitled to take a break between pregnancies.

    She is indeed attractive in a girl next door way. She shows absolutely none of the unpleasant attributes of modern womanhood white or black. Likes steak & ice cream and baking.

    Does not wear fake eyelashes.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Paperback Writer

    A thousand agrees on Felix. She also does not look like the overly muscular sprinter.

  114. @Alden
    @HA

    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth. Abortion was riskier for the mother in those days. But hey, black slaves were cheap and easily replaced.

    Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed the black women slaves out and about but mysteriously no mulattos; the inevitable result of black women slaves and their non black owners.

    Sounds cruel. But look at the results.

    Replies: @HA, @Paperback Writer

    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies.

    Source?

    I used to read a lot about the Ottomans and from what I gather, most of the black slaves were males who were castrated, to be used as overseers for the harems. White eunuchs were less common and used for other things. To be honest I don’t remember what the use was for white eunuchs, I do remember that Stephen Runciman said that the Ottoman Empire was (paraphrasing) “a haven for eunuchs.”

    Black women were mostly household drudges and nannies. They were not at all popular in the harems. They had plenty of gorgeous Circassians and E. Europeans for that job.

    A picture tells a thousand words:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-last-concubines-and-eunuchs-of-ottoman-harem-in-1909-43951750.html

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Paperback Writer

    Source for the numerous black women slaves but no black or mulatto kids comes from reports and memoirs of Arab and European travelers business people and diplomats living in Turkey over the centuries. Why no black and mulatto kids as we see in Egypt and the Arab countries the travelers and commercial people asked. Abortion and infanticide replied the Turks.

    Remember, this was a society with no order of succession for the sovereign. When the Princes were little their mothers killed the other princes if possible. As teens and young adults the princes killed each other until only one heir was left. Ancient central asian custom. Survival of the fittest.

    So abortion and infanticide was no big deal to the Turks. Chinese and Indians routinely killed baby girls at birth. Different customs for different people.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @black sea
    @Paperback Writer

    There is a contemporary population of Turks, known as Afro-Turks, who are descended from slaves brought to Turkey to work the cotton fields, among other tasks. Some also came from Crete during the population exchange with Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  115. @HA
    @Alden

    "Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth."

    Prostitutes' children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business:


    The Swiss traveler Johann Louis Burckhardt estimated that 5,000 Ethiopian slaves passed through the port of Suakin alone every year, headed for Arabia, and added that most of them were young women who ended up being prostituted by their owners.
     
    As for eunuchs, the same article notes that Islam forbids castration, so that was a trade left to the Coptic and Ethiopian Christian priests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery.

    About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail? Maybe Islam forbids castration of a Muslim, but not a non-Muslim. However, I’m no expert on Islamic law.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery."

    The quote I cited (which I omitted a link to, so I'll include it here), while referring to Arabia, was actually from an article on slavery in the "Ottoman world" which included both Arabia and Turkey, however different you may find them. The passage in question goes on to note that "In some cases, female Ethiopian slaves were preferred [in Arabia] to male ones, with some Ethiopian slave cargoes recording female-to-male slave ratios of two to one."

    "About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail?"

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral. Medieval Christians couldn't engage in moneylending and "usury", and so apart from pawnbrokering and other such end-runs, they basically turned that business over to Jews who had fewer scruples about the practice, as long as Christians were the victims. Indian Hindus find it difficult to butcher a cow, but they don't have nearly as much trouble selling it to a Muslim who has no problem doing that. No-kill animal shelters wear the badge proudly, but they also simply shut their doors when they're full, at which point the animals are taken to the pound, where killing goes on aplenty. The above cited article states:


    While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte. The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.
     
    Here is one of the links the article cites, the other being Winik's The Great Upheaval.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

  116. @Gordo
    @Jonathan Mason


    sprunt
     
    Is that a very irregular past participle or did you just make it up?

    Kudos either way!

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Jonathan Mason

    Sprint, sprant, sprunt. As in pint, pant, punt.

  117. @Bill Jones
    @Barnard

    Read Tom Wolfe's 1970 classic "Radical Chic" It's a hoot.
    Great as an audio book along with "Mai Mauing the Flack Catchers".

    I was struck by how much, literally over half a century, nothing has changed.

    Replies: @Alden

    I was a Flak Catcher. I remember it so well. And you are right. Nothing has changed at all, including Pelosi and Feinstein.

    Tom Wolfe didn’t mention the most important thing about the entire radical movement. It was funded by billions from the federal state and local governments and the great tax exempt Foundations. And the leadership was Jewish. Grandchildren and gr grandchildren of the Ellis Island communist revolutionaries. Mostly Noo Yawk immigrants with Ivy League and top 20 Uni degrees . Only time in my life I met so many Harvard commies.

  118. @Prester John
    @Anon

    If the US ever has to pay "reparations" to American blacks it should be on condition that the US be indemnified by Great Britain, The Netherlands, Spain, France and Portugal.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Spect3r

    What about the African tribes that sold the other ones? Thats where it really all started…

  119. Good. A narrowed gap means no need to have gendered sports. Isn’t that a good thing?

  120. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”
    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.


    In all likelihood, there is no 'rest of the story' because the story is fictional in the first place. I have lost count of the number of Black employees who have excused absences or lateness by appeal to "my grandma's funeral" in spite of the fact that he or she had already used the same grandma's purported death twice already in the last year or two.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Spect3r, @J.Ross

    In all honesty, i worked with a white guy that went to his father funeral 4 times in 2 years.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Spect3r

    Victory has many fathers ...

    , @Rich
    @Spect3r

    When Christ met the woman at the well, it was rare for a woman to have 5 husbands, in this degenerate society, 4 "fathers" might be the norm.

    Replies: @Spect3r

  121. @Ganderson
    @Nimrod

    In one of Vince Flynn’s books a group of Seals go around killing politicians they don’t like. One of the killers is in blackface to throw the scent off the Seals. My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the Seals particularly, because of the swimming requirement. Someone who knows something please feel free to correct me.

    Flynn wrote pretty good thrillers, for a ‘Bellhop’. (A graduate of St. Thomas Academy in St. Paul, so nicknamed for the stripe on their uniform trousers. STA was my high school’s hated rival. Perhaps because they were richer and smarter than us…)

    Replies: @Nimrod

    ‘My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the SEALs particularly.’

    This is correct. We’ve all seen the famous redpill photo of the white American SEAL platoon posing with Tiger Woods:

    Anecdotally speaking, there are very few black SEALs. Likewise, the US Army’s Ranger Regiment, the gateway to service in Delta Force and a couple of other wacko bird three-letter agencies, used to require a 110 GT score on the Army’s standard IQ test to qualify for entry. It’s dropped the score down to 105, possibly to diversify, possibly to help add more worker bees to their associated intel and support units:

    https://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thRanger/Recruiting.html

    A 105 GT score corresponds to a 110 IQ. That’s a solid ten points above the white mean and twenty points above the black mean. There aren’t a lot of black kids in Ranger Regiment either.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Nimrod

    The primary attrition mechanism in BUD/S is long term immersion in cold water, leading to persistent low level hypothermia, and relentless swimming, including open water navigation. I think being constantly cold and swimming miles every day are about two of the biggest asks you could make of a black volunteer given their relative strengths and weaknesses, so it's not surprising to me that they are whiter as a force than the significantly more g loaded Army SF robin sage graduates.

    The failure case for BUD/S washouts is much worse than for guys who fail Robin Sage also-- if you're the kind of guy who volunteers for special forces getting knocked down to a seaman apprentice serving in a mess line is much shittier than just getting dumped back into an infantry company, and unfortunately that's the fate that awaits many hopeful SEALs. I don't know if their recruiters honestly go over the failure case with them but my experience dealing with the washouts in the fleet suggests probably not. I imagine the recruiters focus more on the decidedly laxer discipline in US Navy SPECWAR relative than Army ODAs (and definitely than the Ranger Regiments, which are ground zero for stick-up-ass discipline standards).

    Replies: @JMcG, @Abolish_public_education

  122. @HA
    @Alden

    "Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies. But the mulatto babies were either aborted or killed at birth."

    Prostitutes' children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business:


    The Swiss traveler Johann Louis Burckhardt estimated that 5,000 Ethiopian slaves passed through the port of Suakin alone every year, headed for Arabia, and added that most of them were young women who ended up being prostituted by their owners.
     
    As for eunuchs, the same article notes that Islam forbids castration, so that was a trade left to the Coptic and Ethiopian Christian priests.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    For centuries Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed numerous black women slaves out and about doing errands or working in the shops and work shops. But no mulatto or black children as were seen all over Arabia N Africa the Americas and the Caribbean.

    Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines. Many were just household help, farm workers weavers seamstresses shop clerks worked in small factories etc. But the Turks pursued a strict policy of no children of black slaves.

    Turkey had little need for black prostitutes. It had Slavic slaves from the whole of East Europe from Crimea and Bulgaria all the way north to Finland The main business of Tatars, Chechnynans and other Muslim tribes was capturing Slavic slavishly for the Turks.

    Plus the Turks themselves captured slaves from the coasts of France Spain Italy Ireland England and even Iceland. The Turks and Algerians had smaller ships that went up the French rivers to capture slaves and loot. In fact, except for fortified cities like Toulouse and Marseille, the Mediterranean coast of France was sparsely inhabited until 19th century because of Turk and Algerian slave raiders.

    DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA. Because black men slaves were eunuchs and the black women weren’t allowed to have children.

    This might be feminazi and persnickety. I don’t think it’s correct to refer to a woman slave sold to a pimp brothel keeper as a prostitute. She had no choice. No more than any other slave had a choice of what work the owner made her or him do.

    I’ve become interested in Turkish history in the last few years. Incredible powerful and successful.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Alden

    "Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines."

    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire's African "goods"), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes. I.e., it doesn't say all, and it doesn't mention the word concubine. As such, most of the African babies would therefore be treated the way prostitutes' children are, which answers the question of why there aren't too many mulatto babies around in that part of the world.

    "DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA."

    That's not true, either, and anyway, it's important to distinguish Turkey from "the Ottoman Empire" and to resist the temptation to regard Turkey as some kind of racial monolith. The Afro-Turkish minority in Turkey itself is small, but it isn't zero, and to the extent that being black is historically associated with being a slave and a prostitute, the minority represents an iceberg of a larger group of people that simply tried as hard as they could to pass for white at the earliest opportunity.

    Again, from the the article I cited earlier:


    pagan areas in Africa became a popular source of slaves [for the Ottoman empire]. Known as the Zanj (Bantu), these slaves...were employed in households, on plantations and in the army as slave-soldiers. Some could ascend to become high-rank officials, but in general Zanj were inferior to European and Caucasian slaves... Through the network he had built with the help of his education and the black eunuchs, [the former slave] Mullah Ali secured several positions early on. ...a French ambassador described him as the person who truly ran the empire...Although Mullah Ali was often challenged because of his blackness and his connection to the African eunuchs...As a prominent scholar, he wrote an influential book in which he used logic and the Quran to debunk stereotypes and prejudice against dark-skinned people and to delegitimize arguments for why Africans should be slaves.
     
    The source for the earlier quote about prostitution apparently comes from the following.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    , @JMcG
    @Alden

    You might enjoy a book called The Stolen Village: Baltimore and the Barbary Pirates. It’s the story of a Muslim raid on the town of Baltimore, on the south coast of Ireland. The pirates carried almost everyone in the place off to slavery. The pirate captain was a European convert to Islam.
    Interestingly, some of the captives refused a chance to return to Ireland many years later.
    A very interesting book.

  123. @Anonymous
    @guest007


    the next Olympics will be held in Paris that is more convenient for American TV viewing than Tokyo being 13 hours off of the east coast of the U.S.
     
    I doubt that will help. The reason that TV coverage of the Olympics has been generally poor this year is because the IOC sold the exclusive broadcasting rights to these and the Paris games to Discovery for more than a billion dollars.

    Discovery limit all other broadcasters to only two simultaneous live streams in a desperate attempt to attract people to pay for what they had previously had for free.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64), @guest007

    The discovery media rights is for Europe and not for the U.S. Discovery purchase the rights for all of Europe and then old the rights in each country (kind of forgetting out the internet). However, Discovery paid much less than NBC did for the rights to the Olympics.

    NBC is about the least sports oriented major network and view the Olympics not as sports viewing but as human drama viewing that appeals to casual female viewer who are suppose to be more interested in the back stories than the actual performance. That is why American viewers have given a ride who of women’s Gymnastics, women’s swimming, women’s soccer, and human interest stories on any other female athlete who is vying for a gold medal.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @guest007

    NBC sells a lot of Back to School ads for the Olympics. It's television for moms. For track nerd stats, you can come here.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @AnotherDad
    @guest007

    Not watching at all this year. But I can't be the only male--and even some females--who is has been disgusted by the "personal drama" b.s. NBC pumped out at the Olympics. Oh, your brother was in a car crash, oh you were raised by a single mom, oh your dog died on you when you were eight ... WGAF. I just wanted to see some races and stuff.

    Sports is replacement for warfare--and to a lesser extent hunting--when those activities aren't going on. A chance for competitive display of the related skills; a competitive display of manhood--lacking big antlers to smash into each other.

    NBC should have just had two channels--NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @guest007

  124. @Paperback Writer
    @Alden


    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies.
     
    Source?

    I used to read a lot about the Ottomans and from what I gather, most of the black slaves were males who were castrated, to be used as overseers for the harems. White eunuchs were less common and used for other things. To be honest I don't remember what the use was for white eunuchs, I do remember that Stephen Runciman said that the Ottoman Empire was (paraphrasing) "a haven for eunuchs."

    Black women were mostly household drudges and nannies. They were not at all popular in the harems. They had plenty of gorgeous Circassians and E. Europeans for that job.

    A picture tells a thousand words:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-last-concubines-and-eunuchs-of-ottoman-harem-in-1909-43951750.html

    Replies: @Alden, @black sea

    Source for the numerous black women slaves but no black or mulatto kids comes from reports and memoirs of Arab and European travelers business people and diplomats living in Turkey over the centuries. Why no black and mulatto kids as we see in Egypt and the Arab countries the travelers and commercial people asked. Abortion and infanticide replied the Turks.

    Remember, this was a society with no order of succession for the sovereign. When the Princes were little their mothers killed the other princes if possible. As teens and young adults the princes killed each other until only one heir was left. Ancient central asian custom. Survival of the fittest.

    So abortion and infanticide was no big deal to the Turks. Chinese and Indians routinely killed baby girls at birth. Different customs for different people.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Alden


    Source for the numerous black women slaves but no black or mulatto kids comes from reports and memoirs of Arab and European travelers business people and diplomats living in Turkey over the centuries.
     
    That's vague and non-specific. I guess you and I were reading different books. I never read the original memoirs - did you?

    What I read is that black women didn't make it into the Ottoman harems. It has nothing to do with the order of succession - that's a totally different issue. No idea why you brought it up.

    The "valida Sultan" was ALWAYS a white woman, like this:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/f2/aa/1ef2aa8ba4065fc2e3d8f492839d659f.jpg
  125. @guest007
    @Anonymous

    The discovery media rights is for Europe and not for the U.S. Discovery purchase the rights for all of Europe and then old the rights in each country (kind of forgetting out the internet). However, Discovery paid much less than NBC did for the rights to the Olympics.

    NBC is about the least sports oriented major network and view the Olympics not as sports viewing but as human drama viewing that appeals to casual female viewer who are suppose to be more interested in the back stories than the actual performance. That is why American viewers have given a ride who of women's Gymnastics, women's swimming, women's soccer, and human interest stories on any other female athlete who is vying for a gold medal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    NBC sells a lot of Back to School ads for the Olympics. It’s television for moms. For track nerd stats, you can come here.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Steve Sailer

    According to World Athletics scoring tables, a 45.94 400 hurdles is the equivalent of a 9.62 100 meters. Usain Bolt’s world record is 9.58; his Olympic record is 9.63.

    More fun with numbers:

    A 45.94 400 hurdles would be like running an open 400 in 42.75; that’s inside the world record, 43.03.

    It’d be like going 25:50.26 for 10k; the world record is 26:11.

    You get the point — 45.94 is stupid crazy amazing how-did-he-do-that fast.

  126. @Altai
    Bolt ended his career really early, maybe better to go out on top but he seemed to be very enthused about entering different sports etc. Maybe he just made so much money from endorsements that he decided he was going to enjoy not training every day. Or maybe the increased scrutiny on the Jamaican anti-doping agency meant he was unlikely to get away with it anymore.

    For his teammates who kept going, everyone who got times below 9.80 was eventually caught doping at least once including his close teammate, Yohan Blake who well earned his nickname of 'beast' by looking very much like one of the roided to the gills 100m finalists of the 90s. He still has his big natural frame but looks noticeably deflated today though he made the 100m final today.

    It hasn't been noted because he failed to qualify for the finals but the US sprinter Trayvon Bromell ran 2 incredible official times this year, they and the winning 2020 100m Olympic time are highlighted in light blue in this list.

    http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

    In fact, until 2019, other than Bolt, nobody had ever run below 9.82 without being caught for doping. The two exceptions are the US sprinters Christian Coleman who set a time of 9.76 in 2019 and Trayvon Bromell who set times of 9.77 and 9.80 in 2021. So far neither US sprinter has been fingered for doping but it's very early days for them.

    Lamont Marcell Jacobs time of 9.80 is on the edge but otherwise surrounded by times set by dopers.

    Here is an article which mentions the scrutiny of the Jamaican anti-doping system and the 'doctor' running it who wasn't properly credentialed but seemed to be running it because he was willing to engage in fraud. It includes Shelly-Ann Fraser complaining that the Jamaican OC wasn't doing enough to defend her and other athletes reputations. She would eventually return a positive sample but was barely punished.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/nov/15/shelly-ann-fraser-pryce-strike-jamaica-doping

    Replies: @Nimrod, @Ron Mexico, @sb

    ” Bolt ended his career really early….. ”

    He went to three Olympics ( and all the world Championships )

    How many is the appropriate number ?

  127. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jon

    Johnson had won two bronze medals at the 1984 Olympics, so he had been around the top of the weld sprinting scene for at least 4 years, but actually longer.

    Alan Wells, who might have been the last man to win a hundred meters Olympic gold without steroids, was coached by his wife.

    He nicked the gold in the 100 m with a despairing dive for the tape, and came close up for silver in the 200 m.

    Although some would say his Olympic success was diminished by the boycott by American sprinters and those of some other countries, he took on the top American sprinters just a couple of weeks later and beat them all, including Carl Lewis and Ben Johnson.

    He won gold medals in both sprints in the British Commonwealth games of 1978 and 1982, indicating that he must have been well ahead of the best Jamaican sprinters of that time.

    It was a great pity that the 1980 Olympics was despoiled by the partial boycott, but spoilsport Jimmy Carter got his just desserts later that year, and in retrospect it can be seen that the boycott was completely futile.

    By the next Olympics, we were into the Orwellian world of 1984 and the golden age of steroids for sprinters

    Alan Wells sprunt on into his mid thirties, but only made the semifinals in 1984. He became coach to a national bobsleigh team and made a career as a systems engineer.

    Wells has always been somewhat media shy, and prior to the 1980 Olympics when Margaret Thatcher was attempting to interfere with British Olympic plans, decided to boycott all media because he did not wish to be used as a political tool.

    The British Olympic movement was somewhat divided at the time, with some sports going to the Games, and others, which were presumably more closely aligned with the conservative party of Margaret Thatcher, deciding to boycott.

    Well, if you boycott, you can't complain if you don't win any medals.

    Replies: @Gordo, @sb

    Why do you say Alan Wells wasn’t a doper ?

    There are plenty of views to the contrary

    Go away and do a Google search

    Sounds like wishful thinking to me

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @sb

    The only one I know about is that another Scottish sprinter called Drew McMaster, a rival of Wells who was convicted for steroid use, later alleged that Wells was a well-known drug user and also implicated the deceased team doctor.

    Wells has always totally denied steroid use, and attributed his growth in muscularity to a tremendously rigorous training regime.

    Curiously he does admit to having been given and injection of hydrocortisone about two weeks before the Moscow Olympics from the team doctor for treatment of a inflamed mosquito bite.

    This is odd because although you could use hydrocortisone for a mosquito bite, you would use a topical cream or ointment, and never an injection.

    Hydrocortisone injections are more likely to be injected directly into a joint to reduce inflammation, or given intravenously as a drip for treatment of bowel inflammation.

    Other than this I don't know of any real evidence of steroid use by Wells, but what is your information?

    The trouble is that all sprinters will deny steroid use to the grave, even if they are guilty as hell, so it is really hard to know.

    If not Wells, then who was the last great non-steroid sprinter? I think we can definitely say that the Sprint finalists in 1960 Olympics in Rome were clean, but after that?

  128. @Paperback Writer
    @AnotherDad

    Well, speaking as a minoratarian (LOL), I'm not Felix' life coach, and I'm happy to see her back. She had a hard childbirth and is entitled to take a break between pregnancies.

    She is indeed attractive in a girl next door way. She shows absolutely none of the unpleasant attributes of modern womanhood white or black. Likes steak & ice cream and baking.

    Does not wear fake eyelashes.

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/07/22/USAT/4d704829-28c1-4417-92d5-d4b58cf341be-GTY_1325671451.jpg?width=660&height=440&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    A thousand agrees on Felix. She also does not look like the overly muscular sprinter.

  129. @Steve Sailer
    @guest007

    NBC sells a lot of Back to School ads for the Olympics. It's television for moms. For track nerd stats, you can come here.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    According to World Athletics scoring tables, a 45.94 400 hurdles is the equivalent of a 9.62 100 meters. Usain Bolt’s world record is 9.58; his Olympic record is 9.63.

    More fun with numbers:

    A 45.94 400 hurdles would be like running an open 400 in 42.75; that’s inside the world record, 43.03.

    It’d be like going 25:50.26 for 10k; the world record is 26:11.

    You get the point — 45.94 is stupid crazy amazing how-did-he-do-that fast.

    • Thanks: res
  130. @Gordo
    @Jonathan Mason


    sprunt
     
    Is that a very irregular past participle or did you just make it up?

    Kudos either way!

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Jonathan Mason

    I made it up because I thought it needed to be made up.

    Sprinten appears to be a weak verb in German, indicating that it was probably borrowed from English, but it seems like it ought to be a strong verb like springen, which means to jump.

    So if you can have spring, sprang, and sprung, I don’t see why you can’t have sprunt.

  131. @jb
    @Matttt

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, so I'd be astonished if they weren't world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use. (And I doubt it's just the women who are on them).

    Replies: @peterike

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, with a culture that admires cheating, so I’d be astonished if they weren’t world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use.

    Fixed it for you.

    • Replies: @jb
    @peterike

    I'm not sure I would say "admires," because that would imply it was something they acknowledged openly. But yes, a nation of cheaters, no question.

    But it's not just a Chinese thing. I had a conversation when I was in college with a Chilean student who was a bit baffled by our honor codes; he explained that where he came from it was simply understood that students were going to cheat whenever given the opportunity, and if you gave them the opportunity it was your fault, not theirs. (This student was an "interesting" guy though, and I'm not sure how much to believe him).

  132. @Paperback Writer
    @Alden


    Many more black women slaves were shipped to Turkey than the expensive eunuchs. They had plenty of babies.
     
    Source?

    I used to read a lot about the Ottomans and from what I gather, most of the black slaves were males who were castrated, to be used as overseers for the harems. White eunuchs were less common and used for other things. To be honest I don't remember what the use was for white eunuchs, I do remember that Stephen Runciman said that the Ottoman Empire was (paraphrasing) "a haven for eunuchs."

    Black women were mostly household drudges and nannies. They were not at all popular in the harems. They had plenty of gorgeous Circassians and E. Europeans for that job.

    A picture tells a thousand words:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-last-concubines-and-eunuchs-of-ottoman-harem-in-1909-43951750.html

    Replies: @Alden, @black sea

    There is a contemporary population of Turks, known as Afro-Turks, who are descended from slaves brought to Turkey to work the cotton fields, among other tasks. Some also came from Crete during the population exchange with Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @black sea

    I've heard of them. That's a different subject from black women in the harems. Overwhelmingly harem girls/women were white, from the Balkans or the Caucasus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Imperial_Harem

  133. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nimrod
    @Ganderson

    'My understanding is that blacks are underrepresented in special forces generally, and in the SEALs particularly.'

    This is correct. We've all seen the famous redpill photo of the white American SEAL platoon posing with Tiger Woods:

    https://i.redd.it/6ki6ne7iq9zy.jpg

    Anecdotally speaking, there are very few black SEALs. Likewise, the US Army's Ranger Regiment, the gateway to service in Delta Force and a couple of other wacko bird three-letter agencies, used to require a 110 GT score on the Army's standard IQ test to qualify for entry. It's dropped the score down to 105, possibly to diversify, possibly to help add more worker bees to their associated intel and support units:

    https://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thRanger/Recruiting.html

    A 105 GT score corresponds to a 110 IQ. That's a solid ten points above the white mean and twenty points above the black mean. There aren't a lot of black kids in Ranger Regiment either.

    Replies: @Anon

    The primary attrition mechanism in BUD/S is long term immersion in cold water, leading to persistent low level hypothermia, and relentless swimming, including open water navigation. I think being constantly cold and swimming miles every day are about two of the biggest asks you could make of a black volunteer given their relative strengths and weaknesses, so it’s not surprising to me that they are whiter as a force than the significantly more g loaded Army SF robin sage graduates.

    The failure case for BUD/S washouts is much worse than for guys who fail Robin Sage also– if you’re the kind of guy who volunteers for special forces getting knocked down to a seaman apprentice serving in a mess line is much shittier than just getting dumped back into an infantry company, and unfortunately that’s the fate that awaits many hopeful SEALs. I don’t know if their recruiters honestly go over the failure case with them but my experience dealing with the washouts in the fleet suggests probably not. I imagine the recruiters focus more on the decidedly laxer discipline in US Navy SPECWAR relative than Army ODAs (and definitely than the Ranger Regiments, which are ground zero for stick-up-ass discipline standards).

    • Agree: Nimrod
    • Thanks: res
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Anon

    Why is the failure case that bad? Is it for motivation? There doesn’t seem to be any better a way to get guys to hate the navy than that.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon

    I feel so much safer knowing that US special forces are achieving objectives in s*holes halfway around the world.

    Replies: @Anon

  134. @Alden
    @Paperback Writer

    Source for the numerous black women slaves but no black or mulatto kids comes from reports and memoirs of Arab and European travelers business people and diplomats living in Turkey over the centuries. Why no black and mulatto kids as we see in Egypt and the Arab countries the travelers and commercial people asked. Abortion and infanticide replied the Turks.

    Remember, this was a society with no order of succession for the sovereign. When the Princes were little their mothers killed the other princes if possible. As teens and young adults the princes killed each other until only one heir was left. Ancient central asian custom. Survival of the fittest.

    So abortion and infanticide was no big deal to the Turks. Chinese and Indians routinely killed baby girls at birth. Different customs for different people.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Source for the numerous black women slaves but no black or mulatto kids comes from reports and memoirs of Arab and European travelers business people and diplomats living in Turkey over the centuries.

    That’s vague and non-specific. I guess you and I were reading different books. I never read the original memoirs – did you?

    What I read is that black women didn’t make it into the Ottoman harems. It has nothing to do with the order of succession – that’s a totally different issue. No idea why you brought it up.

    The “valida Sultan” was ALWAYS a white woman, like this:

  135. @black sea
    @Paperback Writer

    There is a contemporary population of Turks, known as Afro-Turks, who are descended from slaves brought to Turkey to work the cotton fields, among other tasks. Some also came from Crete during the population exchange with Greece.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I’ve heard of them. That’s a different subject from black women in the harems. Overwhelmingly harem girls/women were white, from the Balkans or the Caucasus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Imperial_Harem

  136. @Spect3r
    @kaganovitch

    In all honesty, i worked with a white guy that went to his father funeral 4 times in 2 years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rich

    Victory has many fathers …

    • LOL: Spect3r
  137. HA says:
    @Paperback Writer
    @HA

    Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery.

    About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that's a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail? Maybe Islam forbids castration of a Muslim, but not a non-Muslim. However, I'm no expert on Islamic law.

    Replies: @HA

    “Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery.”

    The quote I cited (which I omitted a link to, so I’ll include it here), while referring to Arabia, was actually from an article on slavery in the “Ottoman world” which included both Arabia and Turkey, however different you may find them. The passage in question goes on to note that “In some cases, female Ethiopian slaves were preferred [in Arabia] to male ones, with some Ethiopian slave cargoes recording female-to-male slave ratios of two to one.”

    “About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail?”

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral. Medieval Christians couldn’t engage in moneylending and “usury”, and so apart from pawnbrokering and other such end-runs, they basically turned that business over to Jews who had fewer scruples about the practice, as long as Christians were the victims. Indian Hindus find it difficult to butcher a cow, but they don’t have nearly as much trouble selling it to a Muslim who has no problem doing that. No-kill animal shelters wear the badge proudly, but they also simply shut their doors when they’re full, at which point the animals are taken to the pound, where killing goes on aplenty. The above cited article states:

    While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte. The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.

    Here is one of the links the article cites, the other being Winik’s The Great Upheaval.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @HA

    Medieval Christians lent money and banked, but there were restrictions on products and rates.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @HA


    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral
     
    Morality and the slave trade are pretty strange bedfellows. Are you the guy who said, "Prostitutes’ children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business..."

    Quite.

    Yes, the "Ottoman world" included lots of places outside of Turkey.

    Thanks for the link. Of course, I could have looked up Wikipedia myself. Not a hard thing to do. If you read your own link, it says:

    The concubines of the Ottoman Sultan consisted chiefly of purchased slaves. The Sultan's concubines were generally of Christian origin (usually European or Circassian).
     

    I did not deny that black women were used as slaves. Actually, several comments ago, I wrote that black female slaves were used as household drudges.

    I pointed out that Ottoman slavery was stratified according to race, with white women being the sex slaves. Maybe some black women were prostituted, but they weren't high-class odalisques.

    I have never read anything that contradicts this. What is your point?

    Replies: @HA

    , @Paperback Writer
    @HA

    Some of us know how to do research beyond cherrypicking (and misreading) Wikipedia articles.


    The great majority of slaves imported into the Ottoman Empire during those years were African women, although African men in small numbers were still being acquired until the 1890s. Black and brown, that is, Ethiopian, slaves reached the urban centres of the Empire via Egypt, present-day Libya, the Red Sea, Arabia, and the Persian Gulf. They served mostly in menial jobs, with the exception of some Ethiopian women who joined middle-class harems as concubines and wives. White women came from the Caucasus, where they were often sold by their own families in the hope that they would rise to prominence in the Imperial or upper-class harems. Quite a few actually did, especially those who were beautiful and talented. The rest served in household duties, never realizing the dreams and high aspirations of their youth. White slaves fetched higher prices than their African counter- parts, and African women were more expensive than African men.
     
    The Imperial Eunuchs of Istanbul: From Africa to the Heart of Islam
    Author(s): Ehud R. Toledano
    Source: Middle Eastern Studies , Jul., 1984, Vol. 20, No. 3 (Jul., 1984), pp. 379-390
  138. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    His uncle died in a car accident. I want “the rest of the story.”
    If you allowed black employees to stay home or talk on their phone every time an “uncle” or closer male relative got in trouble … I mean, seriously, one in three of them are felons, for a start.


    In all likelihood, there is no 'rest of the story' because the story is fictional in the first place. I have lost count of the number of Black employees who have excused absences or lateness by appeal to "my grandma's funeral" in spite of the fact that he or she had already used the same grandma's purported death twice already in the last year or two.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Spect3r, @J.Ross

    The best version of this comes from Hillard “Sweet Pea” Atkinson, one of two lead vocalists for Was Not Was (the other singer was specifically hired because “Sweet Pea” thought a song about weakness was gay and stayed home that recording session. When he saw the new guy he didn’t miss another recording session). When WNW got popular and started to make some money, he ran into trouble with an old false injury claim he had been profiting off of for years, from when he worked at a Chrysler plant.

  139. @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery."

    The quote I cited (which I omitted a link to, so I'll include it here), while referring to Arabia, was actually from an article on slavery in the "Ottoman world" which included both Arabia and Turkey, however different you may find them. The passage in question goes on to note that "In some cases, female Ethiopian slaves were preferred [in Arabia] to male ones, with some Ethiopian slave cargoes recording female-to-male slave ratios of two to one."

    "About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail?"

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral. Medieval Christians couldn't engage in moneylending and "usury", and so apart from pawnbrokering and other such end-runs, they basically turned that business over to Jews who had fewer scruples about the practice, as long as Christians were the victims. Indian Hindus find it difficult to butcher a cow, but they don't have nearly as much trouble selling it to a Muslim who has no problem doing that. No-kill animal shelters wear the badge proudly, but they also simply shut their doors when they're full, at which point the animals are taken to the pound, where killing goes on aplenty. The above cited article states:


    While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte. The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.
     
    Here is one of the links the article cites, the other being Winik's The Great Upheaval.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Medieval Christians lent money and banked, but there were restrictions on products and rates.

  140. HA says:
    @Alden
    @HA

    For centuries Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed numerous black women slaves out and about doing errands or working in the shops and work shops. But no mulatto or black children as were seen all over Arabia N Africa the Americas and the Caribbean.

    Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines. Many were just household help, farm workers weavers seamstresses shop clerks worked in small factories etc. But the Turks pursued a strict policy of no children of black slaves.

    Turkey had little need for black prostitutes. It had Slavic slaves from the whole of East Europe from Crimea and Bulgaria all the way north to Finland The main business of Tatars, Chechnynans and other Muslim tribes was capturing Slavic slavishly for the Turks.

    Plus the Turks themselves captured slaves from the coasts of France Spain Italy Ireland England and even Iceland. The Turks and Algerians had smaller ships that went up the French rivers to capture slaves and loot. In fact, except for fortified cities like Toulouse and Marseille, the Mediterranean coast of France was sparsely inhabited until 19th century because of Turk and Algerian slave raiders.

    DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA. Because black men slaves were eunuchs and the black women weren’t allowed to have children.

    This might be feminazi and persnickety. I don’t think it’s correct to refer to a woman slave sold to a pimp brothel keeper as a prostitute. She had no choice. No more than any other slave had a choice of what work the owner made her or him do.

    I’ve become interested in Turkish history in the last few years. Incredible powerful and successful.

    Replies: @HA, @JMcG

    “Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines.”

    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire’s African “goods”), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes. I.e., it doesn’t say all, and it doesn’t mention the word concubine. As such, most of the African babies would therefore be treated the way prostitutes’ children are, which answers the question of why there aren’t too many mulatto babies around in that part of the world.

    “DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA.”

    That’s not true, either, and anyway, it’s important to distinguish Turkey from “the Ottoman Empire” and to resist the temptation to regard Turkey as some kind of racial monolith. The Afro-Turkish minority in Turkey itself is small, but it isn’t zero, and to the extent that being black is historically associated with being a slave and a prostitute, the minority represents an iceberg of a larger group of people that simply tried as hard as they could to pass for white at the earliest opportunity.

    Again, from the the article I cited earlier:

    pagan areas in Africa became a popular source of slaves [for the Ottoman empire]. Known as the Zanj (Bantu), these slaves…were employed in households, on plantations and in the army as slave-soldiers. Some could ascend to become high-rank officials, but in general Zanj were inferior to European and Caucasian slaves… Through the network he had built with the help of his education and the black eunuchs, [the former slave] Mullah Ali secured several positions early on. …a French ambassador described him as the person who truly ran the empire…Although Mullah Ali was often challenged because of his blackness and his connection to the African eunuchs…As a prominent scholar, he wrote an influential book in which he used logic and the Quran to debunk stereotypes and prejudice against dark-skinned people and to delegitimize arguments for why Africans should be slaves.

    The source for the earlier quote about prostitution apparently comes from the following.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @HA

    You're basing your entire case on a Wikipedia article. I would suggest you read some actual books on the subject. Look them up yourself.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @HA


    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire’s African “goods”), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes.
     
    Wrong, no matter how many times you cite Wikipedia.

    See the Toledano citation.

    Replies: @HA

  141. @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery."

    The quote I cited (which I omitted a link to, so I'll include it here), while referring to Arabia, was actually from an article on slavery in the "Ottoman world" which included both Arabia and Turkey, however different you may find them. The passage in question goes on to note that "In some cases, female Ethiopian slaves were preferred [in Arabia] to male ones, with some Ethiopian slave cargoes recording female-to-male slave ratios of two to one."

    "About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail?"

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral. Medieval Christians couldn't engage in moneylending and "usury", and so apart from pawnbrokering and other such end-runs, they basically turned that business over to Jews who had fewer scruples about the practice, as long as Christians were the victims. Indian Hindus find it difficult to butcher a cow, but they don't have nearly as much trouble selling it to a Muslim who has no problem doing that. No-kill animal shelters wear the badge proudly, but they also simply shut their doors when they're full, at which point the animals are taken to the pound, where killing goes on aplenty. The above cited article states:


    While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte. The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.
     
    Here is one of the links the article cites, the other being Winik's The Great Upheaval.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral

    Morality and the slave trade are pretty strange bedfellows. Are you the guy who said, “Prostitutes’ children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business…”

    Quite.

    Yes, the “Ottoman world” included lots of places outside of Turkey.

    Thanks for the link. Of course, I could have looked up Wikipedia myself. Not a hard thing to do. If you read your own link, it says:

    The concubines of the Ottoman Sultan consisted chiefly of purchased slaves. The Sultan’s concubines were generally of Christian origin (usually European or Circassian).

    I did not deny that black women were used as slaves. Actually, several comments ago, I wrote that black female slaves were used as household drudges.

    I pointed out that Ottoman slavery was stratified according to race, with white women being the sex slaves. Maybe some black women were prostituted, but they weren’t high-class odalisques.

    I have never read anything that contradicts this. What is your point?

    • Replies: @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Morality and the slave trade are pretty strange bedfellows."

    No stranger than morality and hypocrisy, and yet, the latter tags along wherever morality is to be found. And slavery was legal and open, far more so than prostitution, so it should come as no surprise that those who are willing to step beyond the moral code far enough to engage in the latter would be less bound by related proscriptions against abortion or proper upbringing.

    "Thanks for the link. Of course, I could have looked up Wikipedia myself. Not a hard thing to do."

    No it really isn't, and yet amazingly, you didn't even bother doing that much, and therefore my points about the Coptic/Ethiopian castration shops and the babies of prostitutes stand. As for high-class odalisques, I never said anything about that, much less contradicting anything whatever it was that you said, so take that up with whomever it is you've confused me with.

    Moreover, I didn't just rely on Wikipedia -- I actually looked up the sources they provided and specifically cited it, too, so as to safeguard against any possibility that someone just stuck something in there, but I'm guessing you never made it that far before spitting out three swing-and-a-miss comments.

  142. @HA
    @Alden

    "Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines."

    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire's African "goods"), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes. I.e., it doesn't say all, and it doesn't mention the word concubine. As such, most of the African babies would therefore be treated the way prostitutes' children are, which answers the question of why there aren't too many mulatto babies around in that part of the world.

    "DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA."

    That's not true, either, and anyway, it's important to distinguish Turkey from "the Ottoman Empire" and to resist the temptation to regard Turkey as some kind of racial monolith. The Afro-Turkish minority in Turkey itself is small, but it isn't zero, and to the extent that being black is historically associated with being a slave and a prostitute, the minority represents an iceberg of a larger group of people that simply tried as hard as they could to pass for white at the earliest opportunity.

    Again, from the the article I cited earlier:


    pagan areas in Africa became a popular source of slaves [for the Ottoman empire]. Known as the Zanj (Bantu), these slaves...were employed in households, on plantations and in the army as slave-soldiers. Some could ascend to become high-rank officials, but in general Zanj were inferior to European and Caucasian slaves... Through the network he had built with the help of his education and the black eunuchs, [the former slave] Mullah Ali secured several positions early on. ...a French ambassador described him as the person who truly ran the empire...Although Mullah Ali was often challenged because of his blackness and his connection to the African eunuchs...As a prominent scholar, he wrote an influential book in which he used logic and the Quran to debunk stereotypes and prejudice against dark-skinned people and to delegitimize arguments for why Africans should be slaves.
     
    The source for the earlier quote about prostitution apparently comes from the following.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    You’re basing your entire case on a Wikipedia article. I would suggest you read some actual books on the subject. Look them up yourself.

  143. @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Arabia and Turkey are two totally different places. See my comment to Alden about Ottoman slavery."

    The quote I cited (which I omitted a link to, so I'll include it here), while referring to Arabia, was actually from an article on slavery in the "Ottoman world" which included both Arabia and Turkey, however different you may find them. The passage in question goes on to note that "In some cases, female Ethiopian slaves were preferred [in Arabia] to male ones, with some Ethiopian slave cargoes recording female-to-male slave ratios of two to one."

    "About the castration being offloaded to non-Muslims, that’s a myth. Do you think Muslim slave-traders would have been bothered by some little detail?"

    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral. Medieval Christians couldn't engage in moneylending and "usury", and so apart from pawnbrokering and other such end-runs, they basically turned that business over to Jews who had fewer scruples about the practice, as long as Christians were the victims. Indian Hindus find it difficult to butcher a cow, but they don't have nearly as much trouble selling it to a Muslim who has no problem doing that. No-kill animal shelters wear the badge proudly, but they also simply shut their doors when they're full, at which point the animals are taken to the pound, where killing goes on aplenty. The above cited article states:


    While Islamic law forbade the emasculation of a man, Ethiopian Christians had no such compunctions; thus, they enslaved members of territories to the south and sold the resulting eunuchs to the Ottoman Porte. The Coptic Orthodox Church participated extensively in the slave trade of eunuchs. Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off boys around the age of eight in a castration operation.
     
    Here is one of the links the article cites, the other being Winik's The Great Upheaval.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Some of us know how to do research beyond cherrypicking (and misreading) Wikipedia articles.

    The great majority of slaves imported into the Ottoman Empire during those years were African women, although African men in small numbers were still being acquired until the 1890s. Black and brown, that is, Ethiopian, slaves reached the urban centres of the Empire via Egypt, present-day Libya, the Red Sea, Arabia, and the Persian Gulf. They served mostly in menial jobs, with the exception of some Ethiopian women who joined middle-class harems as concubines and wives. White women came from the Caucasus, where they were often sold by their own families in the hope that they would rise to prominence in the Imperial or upper-class harems. Quite a few actually did, especially those who were beautiful and talented. The rest served in household duties, never realizing the dreams and high aspirations of their youth. White slaves fetched higher prices than their African counter- parts, and African women were more expensive than African men.

    The Imperial Eunuchs of Istanbul: From Africa to the Heart of Islam
    Author(s): Ehud R. Toledano
    Source: Middle Eastern Studies , Jul., 1984, Vol. 20, No. 3 (Jul., 1984), pp. 379-390

  144. @Alden
    @HA

    For centuries Every Arab and European traveler to Turkey noticed numerous black women slaves out and about doing errands or working in the shops and work shops. But no mulatto or black children as were seen all over Arabia N Africa the Americas and the Caribbean.

    Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines. Many were just household help, farm workers weavers seamstresses shop clerks worked in small factories etc. But the Turks pursued a strict policy of no children of black slaves.

    Turkey had little need for black prostitutes. It had Slavic slaves from the whole of East Europe from Crimea and Bulgaria all the way north to Finland The main business of Tatars, Chechnynans and other Muslim tribes was capturing Slavic slavishly for the Turks.

    Plus the Turks themselves captured slaves from the coasts of France Spain Italy Ireland England and even Iceland. The Turks and Algerians had smaller ships that went up the French rivers to capture slaves and loot. In fact, except for fortified cities like Toulouse and Marseille, the Mediterranean coast of France was sparsely inhabited until 19th century because of Turk and Algerian slave raiders.

    DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA. Because black men slaves were eunuchs and the black women weren’t allowed to have children.

    This might be feminazi and persnickety. I don’t think it’s correct to refer to a woman slave sold to a pimp brothel keeper as a prostitute. She had no choice. No more than any other slave had a choice of what work the owner made her or him do.

    I’ve become interested in Turkish history in the last few years. Incredible powerful and successful.

    Replies: @HA, @JMcG

    You might enjoy a book called The Stolen Village: Baltimore and the Barbary Pirates. It’s the story of a Muslim raid on the town of Baltimore, on the south coast of Ireland. The pirates carried almost everyone in the place off to slavery. The pirate captain was a European convert to Islam.
    Interestingly, some of the captives refused a chance to return to Ireland many years later.
    A very interesting book.

  145. @Anon
    @Nimrod

    The primary attrition mechanism in BUD/S is long term immersion in cold water, leading to persistent low level hypothermia, and relentless swimming, including open water navigation. I think being constantly cold and swimming miles every day are about two of the biggest asks you could make of a black volunteer given their relative strengths and weaknesses, so it's not surprising to me that they are whiter as a force than the significantly more g loaded Army SF robin sage graduates.

    The failure case for BUD/S washouts is much worse than for guys who fail Robin Sage also-- if you're the kind of guy who volunteers for special forces getting knocked down to a seaman apprentice serving in a mess line is much shittier than just getting dumped back into an infantry company, and unfortunately that's the fate that awaits many hopeful SEALs. I don't know if their recruiters honestly go over the failure case with them but my experience dealing with the washouts in the fleet suggests probably not. I imagine the recruiters focus more on the decidedly laxer discipline in US Navy SPECWAR relative than Army ODAs (and definitely than the Ranger Regiments, which are ground zero for stick-up-ass discipline standards).

    Replies: @JMcG, @Abolish_public_education

    Why is the failure case that bad? Is it for motivation? There doesn’t seem to be any better a way to get guys to hate the navy than that.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @JMcG

    It's only partly intentional as far as I can tell. The Navy uses the street-to-SEAL program to fill out the teams to their congressionally mandated strength. The Navy wanted to avoid this, as they thought, rightly, that method of expansion would degrade the quality of the teams.

    Anyway, it happened, and the only upshot seemed to be you could use it to get brighter, more vigorous sailors in ratings that are hard to man because the jobs are unattractive. This became a major benefit as the Navy overall (the surface fleet basically, not aviation or SPECWAR so much) became much less attractive to the highest quality recruits as their was little chance of adventure at sea relative to what you could find in the army or marines ashore during the wars.

    So you end up with a ton of washed out SEALs candidates in deck or supply divisions and generally their life sucks and they quit as soon as they are able, typically about four years later.

  146. HA says:
    @Paperback Writer
    @HA


    Of course I do, because it is a common feature of human morality pretty much anywhere humans are trying to be moral
     
    Morality and the slave trade are pretty strange bedfellows. Are you the guy who said, "Prostitutes’ children were often aborted or killed at birth, regardless of color, given that childbirth tends to disrupt business..."

    Quite.

    Yes, the "Ottoman world" included lots of places outside of Turkey.

    Thanks for the link. Of course, I could have looked up Wikipedia myself. Not a hard thing to do. If you read your own link, it says:

    The concubines of the Ottoman Sultan consisted chiefly of purchased slaves. The Sultan's concubines were generally of Christian origin (usually European or Circassian).
     

    I did not deny that black women were used as slaves. Actually, several comments ago, I wrote that black female slaves were used as household drudges.

    I pointed out that Ottoman slavery was stratified according to race, with white women being the sex slaves. Maybe some black women were prostituted, but they weren't high-class odalisques.

    I have never read anything that contradicts this. What is your point?

    Replies: @HA

    “Morality and the slave trade are pretty strange bedfellows.”

    No stranger than morality and hypocrisy, and yet, the latter tags along wherever morality is to be found. And slavery was legal and open, far more so than prostitution, so it should come as no surprise that those who are willing to step beyond the moral code far enough to engage in the latter would be less bound by related proscriptions against abortion or proper upbringing.

    “Thanks for the link. Of course, I could have looked up Wikipedia myself. Not a hard thing to do.”

    No it really isn’t, and yet amazingly, you didn’t even bother doing that much, and therefore my points about the Coptic/Ethiopian castration shops and the babies of prostitutes stand. As for high-class odalisques, I never said anything about that, much less contradicting anything whatever it was that you said, so take that up with whomever it is you’ve confused me with.

    Moreover, I didn’t just rely on Wikipedia — I actually looked up the sources they provided and specifically cited it, too, so as to safeguard against any possibility that someone just stuck something in there, but I’m guessing you never made it that far before spitting out three swing-and-a-miss comments.

    • LOL: Paperback Writer
  147. @guest007
    @Anonymous

    The discovery media rights is for Europe and not for the U.S. Discovery purchase the rights for all of Europe and then old the rights in each country (kind of forgetting out the internet). However, Discovery paid much less than NBC did for the rights to the Olympics.

    NBC is about the least sports oriented major network and view the Olympics not as sports viewing but as human drama viewing that appeals to casual female viewer who are suppose to be more interested in the back stories than the actual performance. That is why American viewers have given a ride who of women's Gymnastics, women's swimming, women's soccer, and human interest stories on any other female athlete who is vying for a gold medal.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad

    Not watching at all this year. But I can’t be the only male–and even some females–who is has been disgusted by the “personal drama” b.s. NBC pumped out at the Olympics. Oh, your brother was in a car crash, oh you were raised by a single mom, oh your dog died on you when you were eight … WGAF. I just wanted to see some races and stuff.

    Sports is replacement for warfare–and to a lesser extent hunting–when those activities aren’t going on. A chance for competitive display of the related skills; a competitive display of manhood–lacking big antlers to smash into each other.

    NBC should have just had two channels–NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @AnotherDad

    I got the free version of Peacock and just watch the actual event / highlights.

    "NBC should have just had two channels–NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue." Amen!

    , @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    NBC pays too much for the television/media rights of the Olympics to depend to depend upon sports fans. This also occurs during the broadcast of the Super Bowl.

    NBC needs casual fans who are not sports fans. That is why gymnastics is emphasized for the Summer Olympics and figure skating is emphasized for the Winter Olympics. To draw in casual women fans. I am sure that every television network has data on the viewing habits of every demographic group. They do not care that they are not getting the older white male viewership since there probably no event that older white males would care about.

    I would love to see the data that ESPN and the networks have on whether white women will watch black female athletes or whether black women will watch white athletes. It would also be interesting to see if Latino viewers are watching NBC or watching Spanish language outlets that show more events that have participants from the Spanish speaking world. The networks have to maintain a close hold on that market research to keep themselves from getting into trouble if it was released.

  148. @AnotherDad
    @guest007

    Not watching at all this year. But I can't be the only male--and even some females--who is has been disgusted by the "personal drama" b.s. NBC pumped out at the Olympics. Oh, your brother was in a car crash, oh you were raised by a single mom, oh your dog died on you when you were eight ... WGAF. I just wanted to see some races and stuff.

    Sports is replacement for warfare--and to a lesser extent hunting--when those activities aren't going on. A chance for competitive display of the related skills; a competitive display of manhood--lacking big antlers to smash into each other.

    NBC should have just had two channels--NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @guest007

    I got the free version of Peacock and just watch the actual event / highlights.

    “NBC should have just had two channels–NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue.” Amen!

  149. @AnotherDad
    @guest007

    Not watching at all this year. But I can't be the only male--and even some females--who is has been disgusted by the "personal drama" b.s. NBC pumped out at the Olympics. Oh, your brother was in a car crash, oh you were raised by a single mom, oh your dog died on you when you were eight ... WGAF. I just wanted to see some races and stuff.

    Sports is replacement for warfare--and to a lesser extent hunting--when those activities aren't going on. A chance for competitive display of the related skills; a competitive display of manhood--lacking big antlers to smash into each other.

    NBC should have just had two channels--NBC Olympic Pink and NBC Olympic Blue.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @guest007

    NBC pays too much for the television/media rights of the Olympics to depend to depend upon sports fans. This also occurs during the broadcast of the Super Bowl.

    NBC needs casual fans who are not sports fans. That is why gymnastics is emphasized for the Summer Olympics and figure skating is emphasized for the Winter Olympics. To draw in casual women fans. I am sure that every television network has data on the viewing habits of every demographic group. They do not care that they are not getting the older white male viewership since there probably no event that older white males would care about.

    I would love to see the data that ESPN and the networks have on whether white women will watch black female athletes or whether black women will watch white athletes. It would also be interesting to see if Latino viewers are watching NBC or watching Spanish language outlets that show more events that have participants from the Spanish speaking world. The networks have to maintain a close hold on that market research to keep themselves from getting into trouble if it was released.

  150. @HA
    @Alden

    "Not all the slave women were prostitutes and concubines."

    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire's African "goods"), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes. I.e., it doesn't say all, and it doesn't mention the word concubine. As such, most of the African babies would therefore be treated the way prostitutes' children are, which answers the question of why there aren't too many mulatto babies around in that part of the world.

    "DNA of Turkey is 40 percent Slavic because of slavery. No African DNA."

    That's not true, either, and anyway, it's important to distinguish Turkey from "the Ottoman Empire" and to resist the temptation to regard Turkey as some kind of racial monolith. The Afro-Turkish minority in Turkey itself is small, but it isn't zero, and to the extent that being black is historically associated with being a slave and a prostitute, the minority represents an iceberg of a larger group of people that simply tried as hard as they could to pass for white at the earliest opportunity.

    Again, from the the article I cited earlier:


    pagan areas in Africa became a popular source of slaves [for the Ottoman empire]. Known as the Zanj (Bantu), these slaves...were employed in households, on plantations and in the army as slave-soldiers. Some could ascend to become high-rank officials, but in general Zanj were inferior to European and Caucasian slaves... Through the network he had built with the help of his education and the black eunuchs, [the former slave] Mullah Ali secured several positions early on. ...a French ambassador described him as the person who truly ran the empire...Although Mullah Ali was often challenged because of his blackness and his connection to the African eunuchs...As a prominent scholar, he wrote an influential book in which he used logic and the Quran to debunk stereotypes and prejudice against dark-skinned people and to delegitimize arguments for why Africans should be slaves.
     
    The source for the earlier quote about prostitution apparently comes from the following.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire’s African “goods”), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes.

    Wrong, no matter how many times you cite Wikipedia.

    See the Toledano citation.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Paperback Writer

    "Wrong, no matter how many times you cite Wikipedia. See the Toledano citation."

    I don't know why you think your journal article is any more persuasive than what I cited, which is sourced to Gordon, Murray's Slavery in the Arab World (New York: New Amsterdam Books. p. 173), especially given that what I cited refers to one specific time (Burckhardt traveled in the early 1800's) and your citation refers to some vague "during those years" which you didn't bother to specify. If this is how you go about doing research, not to mention evaluating it, it explains a lot, but as long as you limit your comments to this site, I guess you'll at least have that LOL button to show us all how scholarly you are, eh?

    Also, even if the two articles are not referring to two distinct times during the centuries long duration of the Ottoman empire, which is quite possible, you might also consider the possibility that a job that is "menial" -- a word synonymous with " low-status, degrading, lowly, unskilled" -- isn't mutually exclusive from working as a prostitute, though I realize I may be expecting too much.

  151. @Paperback Writer
    @HA


    The article I cited earlier: stated that (in Arabia, anyway, which I gather is the transport corridor for much of Ottoman Empire’s African “goods”), MOST of the African female slaves became prostitutes.
     
    Wrong, no matter how many times you cite Wikipedia.

    See the Toledano citation.

    Replies: @HA

    “Wrong, no matter how many times you cite Wikipedia. See the Toledano citation.”

    I don’t know why you think your journal article is any more persuasive than what I cited, which is sourced to Gordon, Murray’s Slavery in the Arab World (New York: New Amsterdam Books. p. 173), especially given that what I cited refers to one specific time (Burckhardt traveled in the early 1800’s) and your citation refers to some vague “during those years” which you didn’t bother to specify. If this is how you go about doing research, not to mention evaluating it, it explains a lot, but as long as you limit your comments to this site, I guess you’ll at least have that LOL button to show us all how scholarly you are, eh?

    Also, even if the two articles are not referring to two distinct times during the centuries long duration of the Ottoman empire, which is quite possible, you might also consider the possibility that a job that is “menial” — a word synonymous with ” low-status, degrading, lowly, unskilled” — isn’t mutually exclusive from working as a prostitute, though I realize I may be expecting too much.

  152. @peterike
    @jb

    The Chinese are a highly competent people, with a culture that admires cheating, so I’d be astonished if they weren’t world beaters when it comes to the art of concealing steroid use.

    Fixed it for you.

    Replies: @jb

    I’m not sure I would say “admires,” because that would imply it was something they acknowledged openly. But yes, a nation of cheaters, no question.

    But it’s not just a Chinese thing. I had a conversation when I was in college with a Chilean student who was a bit baffled by our honor codes; he explained that where he came from it was simply understood that students were going to cheat whenever given the opportunity, and if you gave them the opportunity it was your fault, not theirs. (This student was an “interesting” guy though, and I’m not sure how much to believe him).

  153. @Spect3r
    @kaganovitch

    In all honesty, i worked with a white guy that went to his father funeral 4 times in 2 years.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Rich

    When Christ met the woman at the well, it was rare for a woman to have 5 husbands, in this degenerate society, 4 “fathers” might be the norm.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
    @Rich

    Sadly, you might be on to something!

  154. “testing due to fewer competitions and less out-of-competition drug testing due to social distancing and the general official lackadaisicalness of the pandemic era.”

    😪😪😪😪😪😪😪

  155. @Intelligent Dasein
    @J.Ross


    OT NOT DUPLICATE Another police officer who responded — no, stop, I haven’t made a mistake. Gunther Hachida was the third to “commit suicide.” Kyle DeFreytag is now the fourth to “commit suicide.” Any bets on number five?
     
    I'll go with Whitman, Price, or Haddad.

    Replies: @res

    Nice reference. The movie title even works for the thread.

  156. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nimrod
    @Captain Tripps

    I haven't done any analysis of swimming myself, but I'd bet it's due to a combination of these factors:

    (1) Barriers to entry for black athletes - it takes money to maintain pools, sponsor a swim team, or to pay to join a top-flight swimming club. A lot of black communities across the globe just don't have the money. Most American Olympic swimmers come from the white middle and lower middle classes. Dara Torres' (12 medals from '88 to '00; I knew a couple of people who raced against her in wealthy Southern California) father was a casino mogul. Mark Spitz's (9 gold medals) dad was rich enough to live in Hawaii for a time. Caleb Dressel (5 golds '20) seems kind of like an archetypal Florida Man but his dad was a veterinarian. Katie Ledecky (10 medals from '12 to '20) is the daughter of some blob personage and the niece of the New York Islanders owner. And so on and on. Michael Phelps's family background (father a cop, mother a school principal) was exceptionally humble compared to his American peers.

    (2) Culture - black people just don't swim that much. I went to a fairly mixed race high school and the black kids wouldn't go near the water. A pretty high percentage of them can't swim, period. This NY Daily News article about the 'minority swimming gap' casts the situation in a typically stupid light. (https://www.nydailynews.com/latino/study-finds-wide-minority-swimming-gap-u-s-article-1.328011.) Supposedly 58% of black kids can't swim, and that's just the people that didn't lie on the survey. I'd guess the actual percentage is much, much higher. Simone Manuel (five medals, '12, '16, '20) and Cullen Jones (four medals, '12, '16) are the only fully black Americans that I know of who have had successful swimming careers, and I'm sure corporate America would shell out millions to sponsor more, if they existed.

    (3) Physique - physically fit, healthy blacks have 5-10% less fat than whites. Less fat equals less buoyancy in the water and more muscular effort diverted towards propulsion. Additionally, no swimming event is a true sprint, of the kind that sub-Saharan Africans dominate in the athletics world. All swimming events are purely aerobic. They inherently involve deprivation of oxygen, which quickly shorts out the fast-twitch muscle fibers black Americans are abundantly blessed with. Black Americans barely feature in the long-distance track events. It's telling that the few black Americans in the sport tend to be short-distance specialists, as you pointed out. And I'm not convinced East Africans would necessarily do better if they swam competitively against whites--again, low fat content militates against swimming prowess.

    That's the best that I can do, although I'm sure our host could do better or knows where to find better stats to back up my hunches.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Anonymous

    The lakes and rivers of Africa are full of dangerous animals, which is not the case in the rest of the world. It’s not just humans that are affected by this. Apparently, the chimpanzee populations on the two banks of the Congo have significant genetic differences. There is no gene flow across the river.

  157. @Rich
    @Spect3r

    When Christ met the woman at the well, it was rare for a woman to have 5 husbands, in this degenerate society, 4 "fathers" might be the norm.

    Replies: @Spect3r

    Sadly, you might be on to something!

  158. @sb
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why do you say Alan Wells wasn't a doper ?

    There are plenty of views to the contrary

    Go away and do a Google search

    Sounds like wishful thinking to me

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The only one I know about is that another Scottish sprinter called Drew McMaster, a rival of Wells who was convicted for steroid use, later alleged that Wells was a well-known drug user and also implicated the deceased team doctor.

    Wells has always totally denied steroid use, and attributed his growth in muscularity to a tremendously rigorous training regime.

    Curiously he does admit to having been given and injection of hydrocortisone about two weeks before the Moscow Olympics from the team doctor for treatment of a inflamed mosquito bite.

    This is odd because although you could use hydrocortisone for a mosquito bite, you would use a topical cream or ointment, and never an injection.

    Hydrocortisone injections are more likely to be injected directly into a joint to reduce inflammation, or given intravenously as a drip for treatment of bowel inflammation.

    Other than this I don’t know of any real evidence of steroid use by Wells, but what is your information?

    The trouble is that all sprinters will deny steroid use to the grave, even if they are guilty as hell, so it is really hard to know.

    If not Wells, then who was the last great non-steroid sprinter? I think we can definitely say that the Sprint finalists in 1960 Olympics in Rome were clean, but after that?

  159. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    @Anon

    Why is the failure case that bad? Is it for motivation? There doesn’t seem to be any better a way to get guys to hate the navy than that.

    Replies: @Anon

    It’s only partly intentional as far as I can tell. The Navy uses the street-to-SEAL program to fill out the teams to their congressionally mandated strength. The Navy wanted to avoid this, as they thought, rightly, that method of expansion would degrade the quality of the teams.

    Anyway, it happened, and the only upshot seemed to be you could use it to get brighter, more vigorous sailors in ratings that are hard to man because the jobs are unattractive. This became a major benefit as the Navy overall (the surface fleet basically, not aviation or SPECWAR so much) became much less attractive to the highest quality recruits as their was little chance of adventure at sea relative to what you could find in the army or marines ashore during the wars.

    So you end up with a ton of washed out SEALs candidates in deck or supply divisions and generally their life sucks and they quit as soon as they are able, typically about four years later.

  160. @Anon
    @Nimrod

    The primary attrition mechanism in BUD/S is long term immersion in cold water, leading to persistent low level hypothermia, and relentless swimming, including open water navigation. I think being constantly cold and swimming miles every day are about two of the biggest asks you could make of a black volunteer given their relative strengths and weaknesses, so it's not surprising to me that they are whiter as a force than the significantly more g loaded Army SF robin sage graduates.

    The failure case for BUD/S washouts is much worse than for guys who fail Robin Sage also-- if you're the kind of guy who volunteers for special forces getting knocked down to a seaman apprentice serving in a mess line is much shittier than just getting dumped back into an infantry company, and unfortunately that's the fate that awaits many hopeful SEALs. I don't know if their recruiters honestly go over the failure case with them but my experience dealing with the washouts in the fleet suggests probably not. I imagine the recruiters focus more on the decidedly laxer discipline in US Navy SPECWAR relative than Army ODAs (and definitely than the Ranger Regiments, which are ground zero for stick-up-ass discipline standards).

    Replies: @JMcG, @Abolish_public_education

    I feel so much safer knowing that US special forces are achieving objectives in s*holes halfway around the world.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    What were you trying to say here before the stroke?

  161. @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon

    I feel so much safer knowing that US special forces are achieving objectives in s*holes halfway around the world.

    Replies: @Anon

    What were you trying to say here before the stroke?

  162. @PiltdownMan
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Karsten Warholm's breaking of the world record in the 400m hurdles by more than a full three-quarters of a second, from 46.70 to 46.94, is a simply astonishing feat.

    It is more astonishing than even Usain Bolt's breaking the 100m sprint world record by a tenth of a second, from 9.69 to 9.58, in 2009.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Back in the stone age when I was a kid, ABC did Olympic coverage.

    The tone was definitely pre-Vietnam pride and pomp, but they made an effort to include non-American champions. In those days Russian ladies totally dominated gymnastics and they always got full coverage. Other foreign stars were respectfully highlighted.

    It was “America First” but not the obnoxious, grating USA!USA!

    So, some of this is definitely “Black Man Magic” but a lot of it is USA!USA! gracelessness.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan

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