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From the New York Post:

Raiders’ Carl Nassib asked for personal day to ‘process’ Jon Gruden emails

By Jenna Lemoncelli
October 13, 2021 5:25pm

Carl Nassib, the Las Vegas Raiders lineman and first active NFL player to come out as gay, requested a personal day to “process” emails sent by former coach Jon Gruden which used homophobic language, GM Mike Mayock said Wednesday.

“He just said he’s got a lot to process, there’s a lot that’s been going on the last few days, and of course we support that request,” Mayock said, addressing media for the first time since Gruden resigned on Monday.

Mayock said he’s already had multiple conversations with Nassib, and planned do meet with him after the Wednesday press conference.

… The Raiders (3-2) visit the Broncos (3-2) on Sunday.

Sixty years ago, Sidney Poitier was a big movie star because he was A Credit to His Race who did not act in a stereotypically black way. Today, however, the most admired black man is George Floyd.

Similarly, in the past, one might have expected the first out-of-the-closet NFL player, when pondering whether or not to throw a huge hissy fit over emails just before a game, to have asked himself: What Would Butkus Do?

But the War on Stereotypes has been won so utterly that gays can now act like stereotypical wussies and everybody calls them “so brave.”

 
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  1. usNthem says:

    “that gays can now act like stereotypical wussies and everybody calls them “so brave”. Well said!

    • Agree: PaceLaw
  2. I hope the Raiders go 3-14. Poor David Carr’s entire career is an utter waste if you leave out the part where he got paid eighty million dollars.

  3. Mike Tre says:

    Mayock was a broadcaster for a long time before getting hired as GM of the Gayders. There’s no question he had more than a limited acquaintance with Gruden (who was also a broadcaster during much of that time) and knew exactly what he was getting when he hired him. It will be interesting to see how long Mayock can survive as GM when it’s pretty obvious he was aware of Gruden’s way of communicating for some time. He’s in full CMA (no pun intended) mode right now, so if the homosexual Nassib demanded Mayock’s oldest son to bugger as a method of processing Gruden’s emails, Mayock would probably accommodate him.

  4. Anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

  5. Farenheit says:

    When that guy came out, I thought that was brilliant.

    If he’s on the bubble, he makes the team as they wouldn’t dare cut a homo.

    If they cut him, he plays the sissie card, and gets a multimillion dollar Nike gig, or some such thing.

    He couldn’t lose.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  6. Hetero men call each other fags and homos and every other name in the book every day from third grade on, but an actual gay man is shocked at all this?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  7. I bet this kind of reaction is how the word “gay” came to mean something like “risible and lame”.
    He can’t play because his feelings are a little hurt?
    “What is he, gay?” –> “That’s so gay! ”

    • Agree: Cloudbuster, Old Prude
  8. anon[404] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m guessing he means that he needs to take a day or two to soak in a sitz bath?

    • LOL: Wade Hampton
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  9. Bruno says:

    If 5% to 10% of active players are gay, it means that less than 1% of them are out, and more than 99% are hiding. So far for your alleged queer acceptance culture.

    For some, as long as they are not criminalized, they will be seen as enjoying too much place in society.

    • Replies: @Bill
    , @AndrewR
  10. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “But the War on Stereotypes has been won so utterly that gays can now act like stereotypical wussies and everybody calls them “so brave.”

    Yes, of course, because no straight man has ever asked for leave, or resigned, from their positions due to issues of conscience or when he finds out that an institution that they belong to is run by people that are viscerally opposed to that which they intrinsically and immutably are.

    You seem to be throwing a hissy fit over this, Sailer. Basically, you are throwing a childish tantrum over a man having a moral dilemma.

  11. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

    He might just be a slow reader.

  12. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, taking a day is perfectly reasonable. Steve and the commenters are reacting like he’s taking off half the season. Will he even miss a game? Doesn’t seem so.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  13. Steve is wrong on this one. Gruden was Nassib’s coach and Gruden used slurs that denigrated him. At least he officially asked for the day off; the rest of the Raiders just took the day off against the Bears.

  14. @Anonymous

    “You don’t have a family. Football, this team, is your family. You will be at every game, even if you’re not playing. The only way you will be able to miss a game will be if you’re in the hospital. Even then, even if you’re in surgery, you will be listening to the game and cheering us on.”- Paul Brown

    • Thanks: JerseyJeffersonian
    • Replies: @American Citizen
  15. Welshman says:

    The first admittedly, openly gay rugby player( “Alfie”) was a loveable fortress of a man who could “process” anything. (His IQ was NOT obviously high That is fine: his immense skills were in other areas at a professional – indeed, at a global – level.) After his international rugby career was over (always a difficult psychological time for comparatively young men, I’ve always thought), he and a group of other athletes (6?) were taken to other nations (as part of a BBC a t.v. series) to see if they could manage or even excel at all their respective national sports. The hard Turks loved the muscly and tough ex-rugby star Alfie, impervious (or so it appeared) to pain, and even said they’d take Alfie as good potential for a Turkish wrestler. I wonder what they would have done if they knew he was gay? (I very much doubt they were informed. Why would they be? Director: “Hey, why des it matter, after all?”)

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  16. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    I hope nobody tells the poor litle guy that Barack Obama was against gay marriage. Who knows how he would take it?

  17. @Anonymous

    It’s hard to believe that a gay guy who’s played football all his life would be shocked to learn that homosexuality is not universally admired and that “fag” is a common epithet.

    Most men can only dream of living the kind of life that Nassib has lived. He’s had a charmed existence. He’s enjoyed – dare I say it? – a considerable amount of privilege. Yes, he lived in the closet for a long time, but he chose to do it, and he ended up with a big pile of money in the process. So, yeah, it’s hard to feel much sympathy for him.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  18. Rob McX says:
    @Known Fact

    He’s come out. But he needs to get out more often.

  19. @Anonymous

    Yes, of course, because no straight man has ever asked for leave, or resigned, from their positions due to issues of conscience or when he finds out that an institution that they belong to is run by people that are viscerally opposed to that which they intrinsically and immutably are.

    You seem to be throwing a hissy fit over this, Sailer. Basically, you are throwing a childish tantrum over a man having a moral dilemma.

    If a straight (white) man is employed by “an institution . . . that [is] viscerally opposed to that which they intrinsically and immutably are” he’s summarily cashiered out without fanfare.

    In which world are you living?

    • Agree: Old Prude
  20. @ScarletNumber

    Steve is wrong on this one. Gruden was Nassib’s coach and Gruden used slurs that denigrated him. At least he officially asked for the day off; the rest of the Raiders just took the day off against the Bears.

    Gruden didn’t write “Carl Nassib is a faggot and I hate him.”

    He wrote about the league office pressuring a franchise to draft a player who would otherwise have gone undrafted because he “came out” as a faggot on the eve of the draft and had Oprah cover his draft day(s).

    He probably still covered a tight end on Sunday anyway.

  21. @Redneck farmer

    We no longer live in that America with that kind of perseverance as an admired trait.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  22. Art Deco says:

    Sidney Poitier was a big movie star because he was A Credit to His Race who did not act in a stereotypically black way.

    What counted as a ‘stereotypically black way’ in 1960? (I seem to recall black characters in mass entertainment tended to be benign and comical, Paul Robeson’s and Lena Horne’s excepted).

  23. Danindc says:

    You just had to use Dick Buttkiss as an example of what a gay player should do.

    • Replies: @P. Cleburne
    , @Danindc
  24. @Anonymous

    What do homosexuals do when they find out humanity reproduces by sexual dimorphism, kill themselves?

    • Replies: @Ragno
    , @Anonymous
    , @Hibernian
  25. Af says:

    What is the source for your statement that George Floyd is the most admired black man? Is that hyperbole or sarcasm or irony?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  26. @anon

    Interesting follow-up story to that clip:

  27. BCB232 says:

    I’m surprised Dick Butkus (“Drootin”) hasn’t been cancelled yet. From the 1986 movie “Hamburger: The Motion Picture”:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091165/characters/nm0124792

    “Drootin : [an African-American motorcycle cop pulls up to the Buster Burger drive-thru]

    Drootin : What’s it gonna be?

    Officer Rigney : [to the plastic pickle] Buster Burger on a stick with cheese, Cowcatchers and a Buster Shake.

    Drootin : Hey, pig! We don’t serve afro-turf toilet plungers here.

    Officer Rigney : What the hell did you say?

    Drootin : [speaking through the mic] Skid, Hash-mark. We don’t serve freeway smokie donut chokers here!

    Officer Rigney : [obviously angry] I wanna see your goddamn manager NOW!

    Drootin : [speaking through the mic] You’re talking to the manager peter cheese, so merge!

    Officer Rigney : [getting off the motorcycle] I don’t have to take this kinda crap from a goddamn green pickle!

    Drootin : [speaking through the mic] Hey, Rotate-Kunta Kinte! Your check’s ready at the welfare office!

  28. @Af

    Number of statues erected in 2021.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @P. Cleburne
    , @Corvinus
  29. Let’s get this (you should pardon the expression) straight.

    A former coach (not someone he has to work with) said something nasty and he needs a day off to “process” his emotions.

    Bwahahahahahaha!

    I am not now nor ever have been a fan of the NFL, so this story is nothing to me other than a source of LULz.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  30. @Danindc

    That’s not even slightly funny

  31. @Anon

    He looks like a chip off the old block. What exactly would anybody expect John Gruden’s boy to look like?

    Also oops on me above.

    Poor David Carr’s entire career is an utter waste

    I meant Derrick. David ended up with a Super Bowl ring when he was Eli Manning’s backup one year so even though known as a flop he will probably end up happier with his NFL gig than his more highly compensated little brother.

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  32. @anon

    Women use those after giving birth.

  33. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Richard Nixon in one of his many taped WH conversations complained that this episode mainstreamed homosexuality. While in other tapes he acknowledged that gays were “born that way” and he was completely tolerant and sympathetic of their “problem,” he didn’t think it would be healthy for any society to mainstream it.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  34. Curle says:
    @Anonymous

    Has the virus theory been debunked? Not by social theorists but by science? Sorry, I haven’t been keeping up.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  35. Possumman says:

    So is he a “tight end” or what???

  36. Asian lesbian cops tougher than NFL gays?

    An off-duty NYPD cop shot her ex-girlfriend and killed the woman’s new lover after catching the duo in bed at a Brooklyn home on Wednesday night, police and sources said. Yvonne Wu, 31 years old and a five-year veteran of the force, opened fire on the pair at the ex-girlfriend’s house in Bensonhurst

  37. Matttt says:

    There is a lot to process in those e-mails. Is Roger Goodell a fa–t (probably not)? Is Joe Biden a clueless pu–y (probably)? Is Michael Sam a queer (yes)?

  38. Art Deco says:
    @Curle

    A more precise questions would be is there any evidence for it at all. I don’t think you’re going to debunk it without a powerful alternative explanation.

  39. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    While in other tapes he acknowledged that gays were “born that way”

    That’s not an acknowledgement, that’s an opinion.

  40. This Sunday, owners and players will get down on both knees.

  41. Art Deco says:
    @Stan Adams

    Well, if he’s let off by traffic cops or can jump the queue run by the maitre d’, he’s privileged. If not, he’s a service provider paid what the market will bear (or what the market will bear in the context of collective bargaining). Making a public point of his off-stage avocations is quite gratuitous, of course.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  42. Anyone who takes blank up the blank for fun should not be hurt by mere words.

    –Sick of Orcs, prostate exam survivor

    • LOL: Rob McX
  43. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    dude! what is “sexual attraction” to people you can’t have sex with? it’s nothing. don’t make it a thing. gay sex isn’t sex. it’s just sad. like old people sex.

  44. @Joe Magarac

    Howzabout taking the rest of his career off and going to work in the grease pit at Jiffy Lube?

  45. Imagine being a backup player averaging 2 tackles a game and asking for a special day off if you weren’t part of a favored class.

  46. Ragno says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    We would never be that lucky.

  47. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    , @MEH 0910
  48. So this guy went to Penn State. Was he “recruited” by Sandusky?

  49. @Art Deco

    He’s privileged in the sense that he’s a tall, athletic, good-looking guy with tons of money. He comes from a respectable family. If he were straight, he’d do very well with the ladies.

    Most men are not going to look at him and say, “Oh, the humanity! Imagine his secret pain, dealing with horny chicks begging for his seed while he could only dream of illicit liaisons with the towel boy! How my heart aches for him!” They’ll say, “Geez, that guy can have any woman he wants, and he’s pissing it all away on dudes. What a waste.”

    Even many gay men are probably envious of him. “Straight-passing” homos are hot commodities.

    Aaron Hernandez, a closeted gay thug who won the genetic lottery, was privileged in the sense that he had the ability to rise out of the ghetto. But he had tons of personal baggage even before the brain damage, and in the end he destroyed himself.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  50. @MEH 0910

    Katie Couric has a net worth of \$100 million. Quite a bit of that came from her tenure at CBS, where she was a critical and commercial failure. (Rest assured that Les Moonves did not spend millions of dollars on promotion alone – be plastered Couric’s face on every bus in New York – because he anticipated that she would draw an even smaller audience than Dan Rather.)

    CBS’s ratings were low for years during Rather’s tenure. They rose significantly when Bob Schieffer took over after Rather was forced out in the wake of Memogate. Then they cratered again after Couric defected from NBC.

    Fortunately for her, her salary was not tied to her performance. She earned \$15 million a year reading eighth-grade-level copy off a TelePrompTer to a few elderly viewers who were either too sleepy or too senile to change the channel after dozing off during Judge Judy.

    I admit that I grew up watching Dan Rather. He was a liberal tool, but he had an endearing wackiness. I even watched Katie Couric on occasion. At the time I found her only marginally more watchable than Lyin’ Brian Williams or Creepy Charlie Gibson. But Norah O’Donnell makes her look good. O’Donnell is so repellent that I can’t decide whether to chop off my ears or gouge out my eyes.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  51. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, in case you didn’t NOTICE Mr. Law and Order Man, at least some appreciative white folks were kind enough to shine it up a bit.

    https://abc7ny.com/george-floyd-statue-juneteenth-black-lives-matter/10827313/

    • Troll: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  52. @Anonymous

    Richard Nixon in one of his many taped WH conversations complained that this episode mainstreamed homosexuality.

    Vincent Schiavelli’s first TV role was the fruity Peter Panama on The Corner Bar, which, unlike All in the Family, almost nobody watched. I don’t remember him being explicitly “out”; Peter’s social life appeared to be limited to the bar and his cat.

  53. @Corvinus

    Well, in case you didn’t NOTICE Mr. Law and Order Man, at least some appreciative white folks were kind enough to shine it up a bit.

    The kind of white folks close to a crow’s heart.

    What this country needs is a statue of Floyd holding a pistol to a pregnant woman’s abdomen.

  54. What Raiders used to be.

  55. Or the man who wore the same number a decade later. El unico Guatemalteco. Who says I’m opposed to Central American immigrants? As the kids say, the Raiders have become “fake-n-gay”.

  56. Bill says:
    @Bruno

    What would it be if 80% of them are gay?

  57. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Sheer idiocy. What happens when human beings learn that they are capable of something called tolerance? Here is newsflash: human beings do not use biological facts&stats as their criteria in dealing with others. They use criteria such as empathy, raport, common experiences, etc By your logic, then you can discriminate people that have brown eyes if it is a biological fact that displeases you. Same thing.

    And I love that you used the expression “sexual dimorphism” to add a veneer of “scientific respectability” to your stupid argument. You could have just said:”sexually reproducing” since by definition a sexually reproducing species is already sexually dimorphic. But you just wanted to use a fancy word to make your argument look more intellectual. but it didn’t. A dumb argument is dumb no matter how you present it when the crux of the argument is dumb. Trying to sound pedantic is one of the cheapest ways to save face in a losing argument.

  58. Art Deco says:
    @Stan Adams

    He’s privileged in the sense that he’s a tall, athletic, good-looking guy with tons of money. He comes from a respectable family. If he were straight, he’d do very well with the ladies.

    Those aren’t privileges. Privilege means ‘private law’. He has advantages. He’s had good fortune up to a point.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  59. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    Sheer idiocy. What happens when human beings learn that they are capable of something called tolerance?

    Jack Phillips and Baronelle Stutzman are left alone.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Thanks: The Anti-Gnostic
  60. JohnnyD says:

    You probably don’t want to use the name Dick Butkus in a story about a gay football player…

  61. Art Deco says:
    @Anon

    What’s the horror? That he lifts weights, that his haircut is high-and-tight, or that he owns a pair of ray-ban wayfarers?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  62. @Anonymous

    Sheer idiocy. What happens when human beings learn that they are capable of something called tolerance?

    Using the police power of the state to badger and harass people–to make them do what you want rather than living peacefully as they want–can not remotely be described as “tolerance”.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  63. The bio-medical revolution should solve the homosexuality problem something this century. One less annoyance.

    Unfortunately it will probably be Chinese doing it and my nation will be crowded Latinized has been.

  64. @Art Deco

    Privileged, advantaged, fortunate, whatever. He’s been dealt a good hand in life.

    If I were an attractive guy – gay or straight – with a big pile of money, “My coach used the f-word!” would rank pretty low on my list of complaints about life. Hell, Jon Gruden could hire a plane to fly over my house with a banner screaming “Stan Adams is a fag” and I wouldn’t particularly care.

    I understand why he is unhappy about Gruden’s e-mails; I do not begrudge him his unhappiness. But I don’t feel sorry for him.

  65. This just popped in my head:

  66. @Anonymous

    By your logic, then you can discriminate people that have brown eyes if it is a biological fact that displeases you.

    Yeah, and?

    Too many songs have been written about brown-eyed women, so the brown eyes are safe in any event. But something tells me you may have trouble grasping how that works.

    It’s hard to be on the short end of the evolutionary stick but the 3% same sex-attracted just don’t bring a lot to the table for humanity. Hell, I’m myopic and that may be my genetic line’s undoing one day. So it goes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  67. AndrewR says:
    @Art Deco

    He don’t look natty and he’s a low-key fatty

  68. AndrewR says:
    @Bruno

    I doubt that many are full on homos but I imagine at least that many like the D

  69. AndrewR says:
    @American Citizen

    Putting sportsball over family is nothing to admire

  70. Comments so far in this thread…White Males who for years outsourced their manhood-FOR DECADES-to young negro males in tight spandex who play NFL Negro Ball…absolutely disgusting…

  71. Thea says:
    @ScarletNumber

    He is a deranged pervert and a bad influence on children. Homosexual lifestyles lead to sin? illness and misery. No sane society supports it. No one should physically harm them but saying it is an innocent choice is wrong and rs harmful for society.

    It is something to be ashamed of not proud of.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  72. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “It’s hard to be on the short end of the evolutionary stick but the 3% same sex-attracted just don’t bring a lot to the table for humanity.”

    Specious reasoning on your part. Being gay has nothing to do their ability to engage in abstract thought or solve complex problems.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  73. SO so so so so preposterous. Who gets upset because some other person, unrelated to you, used bad language in an email??

  74. Hibernian says:
    @Corvinus

    …ability to engage in abstract thought or solve complex problems.

    is not the end all and be all of life. And I have scored high on those two attributes since elementary school.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  75. @Stan Adams

    I’m stunned that anyone still watches the evening network news. I don’t think I’ve ever watched it.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  76. PaceLaw says:
    @Farenheit

    Absolutely spot on! In today’s environment, homos can’t even be criticized. Nassib more than likely knew that even if he was terrible, being identified as a homo would keep him around for at least another 2 to 3 years in the league, because who could cut or criticize a homo these days??? No one.

  77. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation

    ESPN is reporting everything is kosher in every one of the other 650 000 e-mails from the surveilled scumbag.

    Joe Rogan needs to interview the ESPN editor pronto!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  78. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Because NFL figures are totally Woke.

    What could be more pro-gender fluid than professional football?

  79. @ScarletNumber

    It’s an old habit I picked up from my grandparents. But since 2016 I’ve found that I can’t watch more than a few minutes of any national newscast without feeling an urge to put a fist through the TV.

    I like to watch old broadcasts on YouTube.

    [MORE]

    American troops are smoking marijuana in Vietnam!

    O.J. is AWOL:

    “I was Bill Clinton’s lover for 12 years”:

    “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”:

    Good times.

  80. Corvinus says:
    @Hibernian

    “is not the end all and be all of life. And I have scored high on those two attributes since elementary school.”

    Abstract thought and solving complex problems are the basis of civilization building. That’s why we have nice things, or so I’ve been told…

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  81. @Corvinus

    There are plenty of people outside the 3% or less of the population who are sodomites to solve complex problems and think in abstract terms. Every single homosexual, just like every single 80+ year old, could disappear tomorrow with zero effect on civilizational capacity. Your team is way back on the bench, and exists solely at the indulgence of normative, heterosexual society.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Corvinus
  82. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  83. Art Deco says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Every single homosexual, just like every single 80+ year old, could disappear tomorrow with zero effect on civilizational capacity.

    Would wager would have a disagreeable effect on the arts.

  84. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “There are plenty of people outside the 3% or less of the population who are sodomites to solve complex problems and think in abstract terms.”

    Now I know how you wiggle and squirm when your client is on the witness stand getting pummeled on cross, and bumble and stumble to save face for not properly prepping her.

    “Every single homosexual, just like every single 80+ year old, could disappear tomorrow with zero effect on civilizational capacity.”

    Not if they have skills and knowledge that is essential within their community domain. That’s the problem when you insist on absolutes.

    Did you say those kind words when your aging father in law was on his deathbed?

    “Your team is way back on the bench, and exists solely at the indulgence of normative, heterosexual society.”

    It’s not my team, it’s Generation Z’s squad. And their collective battle cry is “I own you”

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