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The seventh installment in the Fast & Furious movie franchise with Vin Diesel and the late Paul Walker as brothers-in-law who lead a heist outfit who drive fast cars and steal from bad guys meets all reasonable fan expectations. Judging by how jammed the Plant Theater in Van Nuys was late on Thursday evening, this movie will make a ton of money.

I’d assumed Walker would have a negligible role, what with his having died in a fiery Porsche crash in late 2013 midway through shooting. Apparently, however, he had shot a lot of his dialogue by then. And with a combination of rearranging the plot elements and trick photography (two of his brothers were hired for some shots left unfinished at his death), the end result is impressively seamless.

I have no idea why Walker was the most beloved blue-eyed man in the world by nonwhites, but the ending had me sniffling too, and I’ve only previously seen one Paul Walker movie (Fast 5, the one in Brazil where The Rock joined the cast and revivified the franchise).

The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.

Fast 5 started off, following an exciting chase scene, with about ten minutes of the characters hugging each other as they reunite as one big happy family. This new film goes easier on the hugs, but still emphasises the theme, as Diesel says, “I don’t have friends, I got family.” It’s kind of a Random Family, but I guess a lot of the appeal to the audiences is the idea that you can assemble any kind of family.

The opening 20 minutes of the new one were fairly murky to somebody like me who can’t keep track of complex franchise plots and can’t understand the dialogue of either English bad guy Jason Statham or American hero Vin Diesel. In his younger days, e.g., Boiler Room, Diesel struck me as having a vague speech impediment, perhaps a lisp. (In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.) He’s improved as a vocal actor (his voice work as Groot the alien houseplant in Guardians of the Galaxy was very funny), but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

But then, Kurt Russell shows up as Mr. Nobody, a CIA executive, and takes over explaining the plot in his lucid voice, and the movie gets in gear. Russell has been a star since 1963, but he’s only 63. Because movie stars tend to be pretty old these days (Diesel, for example, is 47), Russell apparently is being groomed for a continuing role in the series, perhaps with Helen Mirren joining the 8th episode to add even better articulation.

Like many movies since 9/11, this one is related to America’s imposing military / commando power, which is always a fraught topic in a world where most box office is overseas.. One interesting aspect is that CIA are good guys in this film, even though 70% of the last movie’s box office came from abroad. So it’s interesting that this one doesn’t bother with Captain America: The Winter Soldier-like worries about American power run amok. The bad guys are Statham, an English SAS agent gone rogue, and a Kony 2012-like East African terrorist.

The first set piece with the Pike’s Peak Highway standing in for the Caucasus in Azerbaijan is astounding, from the five cars being parachuted from a U.S. military transport to Walker having to get out of the famous unresolved cliffhanger last scene of the 1969 version of the Italian Job.

As usual in recent years, I note that Hollywood avoids insulting Russians even when you think that would be logical given the setting, because a growing chunk of opening weekend box office comes from young guys in Russia. (In general in the 2010s, Russia is portrayed in American blockbuster movies as formidable, without getting into a lot of detail over whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing. That seems to be acceptable to Russian movie fans.)

The next set piece in Abu Dhabi is decent, but the concluding one in downtown L.A. is lame. Downtown L.A. has lots of locales that are famous because they’ve been in so many movies but aren’t really all that impressive, like the the 2nd Street tunnel. Wikipedia describes it as “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.” I first drove down this one-way tunnel on July 4, 1977 … the wrong way.

The fighting scenes aren’t as good as the driving scenes. In particular, the filmed hand to hand fights are overly-stylized (perhaps the protect the middle-aged combatants), especially compared to the live action in last weekend’s WWE Wrestlemania.

By the way, I went to the customer service window at the Plant 16 on Van Nuys Blvd., which is one of the Mexican American capitals of the United States, to ask if any of the six showings of Furious 7 were dubbed in Spanish. None were. Like I’ve been saying, Ron Unz’s Proposition 227 in California in 1998 restricting bilingual education was pushing on a door that few realized was open. Now that California schools are told to teach kids in English, Mexican American kids think that Spanish language movies are only for seeing with their grannies. Cool movies are in English. There was a Eugenio Derbez movie playing in Spanish down the hall, and his Mexican films do decent business in the San Fernando Valley these days, but the youth of today want to see Vin Diesel mangle the English language in English.

But, the customer service ladies said that they just got in a shipment of video screens that you can stick in your cupholder and display in front of you closed captions in whatever language is your choice. But they hadn’t opened the shipping crate yet, so I didn’t get to see the devices. That’s pretty interesting, especially for older English-speakers whose hearing isn’t as good as it used to be and thus today prefer waiting until they can see movies on their TV with captions. But will the glow from these screens be obnoxious to people in rows further back?

 
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  1. English probably won’t be an available option.

  2. Diesel did sound kind of effeminate in Boiler Room. Incidentally, a nice touch in that movie (not sure if he came up with it, or the director suggested it) was him applying Chapstick during one scene. When you talk a lot for work, like brokers do, your lips get dry.

  3. ” America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow.”

    No change there, then.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @dearieme

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Lot

    , @syonredux
    @dearieme


    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.
     
    MMM, on second thought, based on the Essex girls that I've encountered, maybe you wouldn't notice the difference....
  4. “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.”

    As someone who is completely clueless about Los Angeles but watched Hollywood movies and played GTA:San Andreas and GTA V I’d say the LA River with its concrete ditch is “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.”

    • Replies: @Lot
    @franktremb

    I agree, the dried out LA River has been in a ton of movies, and was also a regular set for 70s and 80s A-Team style action TV series.

    It's probably easy to get permission to film there since it doesn't have much other use, and is perfectly designed for car chases.

    , @jimbojones
    @franktremb

    Yep, Grease and Point Blank have extremely memorable scenes on the LA "river."

    Another super-recognizable landmark is the Santa Monica pier. AFAIR it was featured prominently in Falling Down with Michael Douglas.

    The tunnel Steve mentions is quite recognizable, but man, it's such a dump. Downtown LA sucks pretty hard in general... Though I hear it has become more popular / better recently.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @cthulhu
    @franktremb

    How about the elevated 105 freeway from Sepulveda to the 405, and / or Imperial directly below it? Gets used in tons of stuff because it's relatively easy to close temporarily for a shoot.

    Replies: @Lot

  5. Speaking of minorities loving the movie….

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121436/fast-and-furious-7-defies-franchise-conventions-and-honors-paul-walker

    “managing editor?” wow. from an intern to managing editor.

  6. The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.

    More Hispanic Mestizos: lower American mean IQ

    (In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.)

    For all of his tough guy posturing, Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair) is something of a nerd at heart.He was a huge D&D fan growing up* . He named his video game company Tigon (the offspring of a male tiger and a lioness), which sounds like what Napoleon Dynamite would do if he found out that Liger was taken.Huge comic book guy, etc.

    but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc

    It’s odd.Older action stars spoke perfectly normally: Steve McQueen, John Wayne, Errol Flynn, etc. Clint Eastwood’s tough-guy whisper was the outlier, but it’s now become the norm.

    *Which goes a long way towards explaining the left turn that the Riddick franchise took in the second film.It’s basically Vin playing a rogue Dark Elf in a D&D campaign module

    Here’s Vin talking about D&D:

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @syonredux


    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc
     
    I think with Diesel it works because he is not a very good actor and his language skills border on the comical. Having him whisper-grunt works for the character he plays. Statham is a little more loquacious and not as heavy on the whisper-grunt.

    Bale in Batman confused me. Not having followed the weird fan cult around it, I could not figure out why Bale's Batman talked like he was trying out for a cough medicine commercial. It was not menacing. It was goofy, almost a parody. But, maybe it is a thing and I'm too old to keep up with things.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair)
     
    Any relation to Larry?
    , @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    Reminds me of the funny way Alec Baldwin talked in Steve's beloved 30 Rock;a moronic intense whisper.

  7. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s “low-brow” and the dialogue is “aimed at 13-year olds”, making it “most appealing to minorities”. I’m glad you came out and said it. The dialogue for a lot of these movies is at the level of an average thirteen year old because that’s the mental level at which it’s pitched, that’s where they’re at on the mental continuum. Vin Diesel has close to ninety million ‘likes’ on his Facebook page. Why would anybody give a wazoo about Vin Diesel anyway? He’s just an actor. Pending nuclear war would probably get fewer responses.

    • Replies: @grey enlightenment
    @anonymous

    most of the likes are fake anyway

    , @Lot
    @anonymous


    It’s “low-brow” and the dialogue is “aimed at 13-year olds”, making it “most appealing to minorities”.
     
    Pop music these days are also aimed at 13 year olds, but more girls than boys, since boys are more likely to be able to figure out how to download pirated music without also infecting their computer with a virus, but girls still buy CDs or beg their parents to do so.
  8. Fascinating documentary here on the many sites in the LA area that have been featured in movies. I didn’t have the time to watch the whole thing, but I didn’t see the 2nd street tunnel in the part I watched.

    Movie buffs from the LA area (hmm. who could that be?) would especially enjoy this I think

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379357/

    “Los Angeles Plays Itself” – I believe it is available on Netflix

  9. Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better? Actually the plotting here sounds more complex.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better?
     
    The Smokey and the Bandit films were a dead end, cinema for rednecks.The Fast and The Furious franchise, in contrast, is the harbinger of the future.Looking at them, we see what America is becoming: Mestizo Hispanic morons.

    Replies: @Bad Memories, @doc dynamo

  10. As usual in recent years, I note that Hollywood avoids insulting Russians

    I don’t know, if all the bad guys in recent movies were Middle Easterners, people would be butthurt. I’ve noticed a lot of Russian villains lately, Taken 3 being the most recent one I can remember. But then again, like you said, maybe they find it flattering. By the way, Taken 3 was atrociously bad.

    It’s kinda like how I find it flattering that Hollywood can’t seem to find a villain 90% of the time who isn’t a straight, white man, implied to be Christian. If those are the only people in the world who can be so fully human as to be evil (and smart enough to make it to villain instead of common street thug), well I guess I can flattered that it’s my men who are chosen for such…distinction.

  11. @anony-mouse
    Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better? Actually the plotting here sounds more complex.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better?

    The Smokey and the Bandit films were a dead end, cinema for rednecks.The Fast and The Furious franchise, in contrast, is the harbinger of the future.Looking at them, we see what America is becoming: Mestizo Hispanic morons.

    • Replies: @Bad Memories
    @syonredux

    It somehow reminds me of bread and circuses.

    , @doc dynamo
    @syonredux

    Actually the Smokey and the Bandit films have suffered an exceptionally weird fate in popular memory. They're almost completely forgotten, while the Dukes of Hazzard, a low grade ripoff them seems to have lodged firmly in cultural memory. Daisy Dukes are now legally recognized as a generic name for cutoff jeans. You can't watch a car show without a 70s Dodge Charger being shown with everybody yelling "it's the General Lee".

  12. Regarding the bro-hugging and “I love you bro” stuff, this is very popular with young males. The series Sons of Anarchy was packed with it. The bikers were hugging on each other all the time, professing their love for one another. In real life, you see males bro-hug a lot so that’s probably why the movies do it.

    My sense is young males lack the bonding opportunities of the past. Fifty years ago a young guy went into the service or ran with his coevals, getting into minor scrapes with other groups of males, after working a job in a male dominated industry. Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW’s.

    Just a hunch.

    • Replies: @grey enlightenment
    @The Z Blog

    as Steve says, it's make-your-own-family

    , @Lugash
    @The Z Blog

    50 years ago they had actual brothers as well.

    , @Lot
    @The Z Blog


    Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW’s.
     
    I don't think, outside of academia and government, SJW types have much power over workplace cultures. Our innate desire for money and the rules of capitalism ensure that. At worst they are dominated by people who just pretend to care about these issues.

    Tim Cook is worth, what, a billion dollars? If he really cared about political issues, he donate $50 million dollars a year to political campaigns, not sign his name to a ghost-written op ed.

    Replies: @27 year old

    , @SFG
    @The Z Blog

    It's a hunch I agree with.

  13. @syonredux

    The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.
     
    More Hispanic Mestizos: lower American mean IQ

    (In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.)
     
    For all of his tough guy posturing, Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair) is something of a nerd at heart.He was a huge D&D fan growing up* . He named his video game company Tigon (the offspring of a male tiger and a lioness), which sounds like what Napoleon Dynamite would do if he found out that Liger was taken.Huge comic book guy, etc.

    but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

     

    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc

    It's odd.Older action stars spoke perfectly normally: Steve McQueen, John Wayne, Errol Flynn, etc. Clint Eastwood's tough-guy whisper was the outlier, but it's now become the norm.




    *Which goes a long way towards explaining the left turn that the Riddick franchise took in the second film.It's basically Vin playing a rogue Dark Elf in a D&D campaign module

    Here's Vin talking about D&D:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_-DauQi0s

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc

    I think with Diesel it works because he is not a very good actor and his language skills border on the comical. Having him whisper-grunt works for the character he plays. Statham is a little more loquacious and not as heavy on the whisper-grunt.

    Bale in Batman confused me. Not having followed the weird fan cult around it, I could not figure out why Bale’s Batman talked like he was trying out for a cough medicine commercial. It was not menacing. It was goofy, almost a parody. But, maybe it is a thing and I’m too old to keep up with things.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @The Z Blog

    "...I could not figure out why Bale’s Batman talked like he was trying out for a cough medicine commercial. It was not menacing. It was goofy, almost a parody."

    I agree, yet I think the intent was to make him appear somehow enigmatic ie., only a fellow with a very peculiar background and/or mental state, would possibly go about talking like that. But it didn't work, as you note.

  14. Hal says:

    The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.

    Physics trumps Social Engineering, Economics, and Religion. The monoculture of America of the future will be the East Asians and Northern Europeans, blended out of compatibility. All others will disappear, unnoticed, unwanted, and unfed. As Dmitry Orlov explained, no one notices excess deaths unless they work in a morgue. Did you know antibiotic Shigella has appeared in the US? Shigella is noted for its ability to infect with as few as ten cells. Name two racial groups in the US who are lax about washing hands.

    Fast and Furious is popular among minorities, meaning the hunter-gatherer types who inhabit social consciousnesses and to whom we are all in debt because slavery. Fast and Furious proves that hunter-gatherer types have a place in modern 22nd century, technologically fantastic America engaging in the hunting and gathering of expensive automobiles.

    Walker? He be Great White Hunter.

  15. I remember when I was 18 I went to see 2 fast 2 furious with a group of friends both male and female. After the movie was over and we were all discussing it, I remarked that although I enjoyed it, I thought the plot of the movie seemed unrealistic and a bit ridiculous. To which just about everyone else replied “who cares, I just went to see the cars”, or as some of the girls suggested they just wanted to see Paul Walker. I will probably get around to see this movie at some point, hopefully with some of the same people. I want to see if the reactions have changed (including mine) sine then.

    He’s improved as a vocal actor (his voice work as Groot the alien houseplant in Guardians of the Galaxy was very funny), but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

    That seems to be an increasing theme. Have you ever watched the Walking Dead or other shows/commercials on AMC? Many of the actors talk with this gruff voice.

  16. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series

    That seems unduly harsh. They’re not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters. (Which themselves are becoming showcases for “diversity”)

    The F&F movies are refreshingly free of the virulent anti-white bigotry which is seemingly a requirement in more “high brow” entertainment. See “Twelve Years A Slave” for example.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Greenstalk


    That seems unduly harsh. They’re not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters.
     
    I don't know.Captain America: The Winter Soldier voiced some concerns (in comic book form) about Obama's preference for the assassination solution.And Nolan's Dark Knight Rises offered an interesting spin on Dickens' Tale of Two Cities.

    The Furious films seem pretty empty headed in comparison.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Greenstalk

    I just saw Furious 7 tonight (I went Saturday and it was sold out).

    Agreed about the super hero movies, which I don't like. Without spoiling anything, Furious 7 borrowed a common plot element from them.

    Otherwise, it was entertaining, though I think the series peaked with Fast 5, which was bookended by two of the best action sequences in any of the movies.

    In general, I think the F&F movies work best when gun play is used in modest amounts, like a spice.

  17. ” … they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow.”

    Free to be You and Me! Yay! Good times!

  18. Syon nailed it, F&F is the future of American movie industry – focusing on very low brow material for your typical Hispanic moron. And you can’t go wrong focusing on the lowest common denominator as they are so dumb they’ll go for just about anything.

    It’ll be a good party for the Mexs until the Chinese roll in and get rid of them. Once the whites are relegated to minority status and stripped of political power, it will make the U.S. a nice juicy target for China. Unlike the GOP, white SJWs and 140+ IQ Silicon Valley geniuses who are impressed by a bunch of low wattage Hispanic morons. The Chinese aren’t, they’ll just see the U.S. as ripe for the pickings. A mass of imported morons and bullied whites ruled by a bunch of Silicon Valley sociopaths and Chambers of Commerce types doesn’t scare anyone. Especially the Chinese.

  19. @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better?
     
    The Smokey and the Bandit films were a dead end, cinema for rednecks.The Fast and The Furious franchise, in contrast, is the harbinger of the future.Looking at them, we see what America is becoming: Mestizo Hispanic morons.

    Replies: @Bad Memories, @doc dynamo

    It somehow reminds me of bread and circuses.

  20. @syonredux

    The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.
     
    More Hispanic Mestizos: lower American mean IQ

    (In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.)
     
    For all of his tough guy posturing, Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair) is something of a nerd at heart.He was a huge D&D fan growing up* . He named his video game company Tigon (the offspring of a male tiger and a lioness), which sounds like what Napoleon Dynamite would do if he found out that Liger was taken.Huge comic book guy, etc.

    but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

     

    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc

    It's odd.Older action stars spoke perfectly normally: Steve McQueen, John Wayne, Errol Flynn, etc. Clint Eastwood's tough-guy whisper was the outlier, but it's now become the norm.




    *Which goes a long way towards explaining the left turn that the Riddick franchise took in the second film.It's basically Vin playing a rogue Dark Elf in a D&D campaign module

    Here's Vin talking about D&D:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_-DauQi0s

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair)

    Any relation to Larry?

  21. I’m reminded of the scene from Dickie Roberts (an under-rated movie) where David Spade (an under-rated comedian) is sitting around with a bunch of other has-beens talking about the current crop of successful actors.

    “Vin Diesel…what’s the deal with him? Is he Chinese? I mean, I don’t know. I’m just asking.”

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    David Spade is to my mind criminally underrated in general. I get that for maybe 10 months in the early 90s he was extremely overexposed and that probably annoyed some people, but for goodness sakes the most beloved liberal entertainer of this generation, John Stewart, basically just stole David Spade's persona added in a little Jerry Lewis-like mugging and made a career out of it. No one was better at extricating themselves when their jokes bombed than Spade was.

    Replies: @Sparkling Wiggle

  22. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I have seen most of the F&F flicks. While a bit lowbrow, at least there a discernible distinction between good and bad. These are morality plays at some level with real plots and decent actors who I want to root for. If you put the Rock and Diesel in a good movie they would do well.
    Give me F&F over the postmodern nihilist movies that get cranked out.

  23. Follow the market dynamics. The real money is in toys. Lucas’s fortune was built off the Star Wars toys, not the movie revenue streams (TV, Video cassette, DVD, cable TV, foreign rights, etc).

    The Fast and Furious movies seem reasonably well set for that, with lots of toy cars and “action figures” (shhhh — don’t tell the boys playing with them they are dolls). But the real money seems still in comic books and giant monster movies.

    Pacific Rim, which did fairly miserable here and merely OK abroad, has a sequel coming out. TOYS! All those giant robots and giant monster toys presumably sell like hotcakes.

    You could argue the Movie Business is like the Music Business. Pirating and cheap ways to get the content legally (Itunes, DVD rentals/Netflix, Amazon Prime Video) erode box office. Why trek out to movie theater and pay $15 a person or more, particularly if you can’t hear the dialog, when you can wait three months and Netflix/Amazon the movie with subtitles for a fraction (maybe $5) of the cost?

    So just as “artists” like granny Madonna make most of their money from touring; and recording is a loss-leader to get people into seats, so too the movie industry will turn into 2 hour plus commercials for toys.

    This is why I am not as negative as Steve is regarding a low-brow action movie Mestizo future.

    Because the market consists of not just the US, or even primarily the US box office. Rather, it consists of a global market for toys and that would seem to include: Japan, Europe, Coastal China, North America, parts of richer Latin America, and parts of Asia. Where parents have enough money to buy toys (particularly for boys).

    Appealing to a global kid/parent toy market, means likely a middlebrow future. One sadly devoid of national characteristics and uniqueness, but one neither mind-bogglingly stupid nor mature and incisive.

    Put it this way — if you want to maximize your revenues from a nominal $15 toy globally, how do you pitch your commercials? To the global middle class or working class? I’d agree its more complex than that given all sorts of toys at different price levels for different income classes, but as a thought experiment this is useful.

    [You’ll note that the comic book movies that did well both box office and more importantly global toy revenues were solidly middle brow: the Avenger movies, the Marvel Movies. The DC low brow movies tanked in both because the could not excite the interest of the emerging global, really Asian, middle class.]

  24. “but the ending had me sniffling too,”

    You bitch . The last time I cried in a movie was when the Germans lost in “The Longest Day”.

    On another movie topic , have you ever seen the movie “Los Angeles Plays Itself” ? I saw it on Netflix a couple of months ago . It was in black and white and lacked polish you might say but still interesting to see the locations so many movies have used then and now . A lot of them no longer there . I’ve only visited LA briefly at different times , you being a native might have a different take . It’s 169 min and not exactly action packed but you might find it interesting .

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @donut


    You bitch . The last time I cried in a movie was when the Germans lost in “The Longest Day”.
     
    MMM, well, Harold Bloom once said that watching Alec Guinness in Hitler: The Last Ten Days made him a little misty about the guy who butchered 12 million or so Europeans, so I suppose that you are in good comapny

    On another movie topic , have you ever seen the movie “Los Angeles Plays Itself” ? I saw it on Netflix a couple of months ago . It was in black and white and lacked polish you might say but still interesting to see the locations so many movies have used then and now . A lot of them no longer there . I’ve only visited LA briefly at different times , you being a native might have a different take . It’s 169 min and not exactly action packed but you might find it interesting .
     
    It's quite good. Of course, the guy who made it weirdly merges SoCal patriotism (note how he slams Hitchcock for favoring the Bay Area over LA) with PC boilerplate (cf his enthusiasm for films that depict Blacks and Mestizos)

    Replies: @donut

  25. ” video screens that you can stick in your cupholder and display in front of you closed captions in whatever language is your choice. ”

    Looking down into your cup holder the whole time , that sounds like movies on tape .

  26. Was there a completely pointless, let’s take the movie to Asia scene in order to appeal to the Chinese market? The last Transformers movie and the Robocop reboot had this crap.

    • Replies: @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin
    @Lugash

    The scenes are there because if you shoot enough of the film in China it counts as a local product and it isn't kept out by the quota on foreign movies.

  27. OT
    Hey Steve are you going to review the new Kendrick Lamar album?

  28. organ donation cards should be included with the tickets

  29. @dearieme
    " America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow."

    No change there, then.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @syonredux

    "Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice ...": not me personally, old fruit. I'll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ? Still, you outnumber Canucks by such a huge ratio that I don't suppose it'll matter.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Brutusale

    , @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So America will be like Israel then? Israel's mean IQ is apparently 94:

    http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    "Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94."

    For example, at my son's school (filled largely with the children of high functioning parents) the pick-up and drop-off line run without a hitch. Really, no one does anything wrong or stupid. Everyone is considerate. It runs like clockwork. Conversely, I've heard that at some other schools the drop-off and pick-up lines are a mess. I personally don't like dealing with things that don't run well - even things as fairly insignificant as school pick-up lines. I think most people like things that run well, i.e.lines at grocery stores, my example above, etc.

    , @Lot
    @syonredux

    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago. The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5), and will not be 94 in anyone's lifetime here, even in 2060.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

  30. @Sparkling Wiggle
    I'm reminded of the scene from Dickie Roberts (an under-rated movie) where David Spade (an under-rated comedian) is sitting around with a bunch of other has-beens talking about the current crop of successful actors.

    "Vin Diesel...what's the deal with him? Is he Chinese? I mean, I don't know. I'm just asking."

    Replies: @Sam Haysom

    David Spade is to my mind criminally underrated in general. I get that for maybe 10 months in the early 90s he was extremely overexposed and that probably annoyed some people, but for goodness sakes the most beloved liberal entertainer of this generation, John Stewart, basically just stole David Spade’s persona added in a little Jerry Lewis-like mugging and made a career out of it. No one was better at extricating themselves when their jokes bombed than Spade was.

    • Replies: @Sparkling Wiggle
    @Sam Haysom

    The Showbiz Show 2006-7 was the best thing Comedy Central ever produced.

  31. @anonymous
    It's "low-brow" and the dialogue is "aimed at 13-year olds", making it "most appealing to minorities". I'm glad you came out and said it. The dialogue for a lot of these movies is at the level of an average thirteen year old because that's the mental level at which it's pitched, that's where they're at on the mental continuum. Vin Diesel has close to ninety million 'likes' on his Facebook page. Why would anybody give a wazoo about Vin Diesel anyway? He's just an actor. Pending nuclear war would probably get fewer responses.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lot

    most of the likes are fake anyway

  32. @Greenstalk

    The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series
     
    That seems unduly harsh. They're not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters. (Which themselves are becoming showcases for "diversity")

    The F&F movies are refreshingly free of the virulent anti-white bigotry which is seemingly a requirement in more "high brow" entertainment. See "Twelve Years A Slave" for example.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    That seems unduly harsh. They’re not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters.

    I don’t know.Captain America: The Winter Soldier voiced some concerns (in comic book form) about Obama’s preference for the assassination solution.And Nolan’s Dark Knight Rises offered an interesting spin on Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities.

    The Furious films seem pretty empty headed in comparison.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Meh. The Winter Soldier ascribed the assassination stuff to a fictional organization headed by an old WASP. The movie was sort of a sin-eater for Uncle Sam, who Captain America and friends continue to work for.

    Also, the movie was boring because neither the heroes nor the villains are allowed to die. How many times will Captain America and Bucky pointlessly fight again in future movies?

    Replies: @syonredux

  33. @The Z Blog
    Regarding the bro-hugging and "I love you bro" stuff, this is very popular with young males. The series Sons of Anarchy was packed with it. The bikers were hugging on each other all the time, professing their love for one another. In real life, you see males bro-hug a lot so that's probably why the movies do it.

    My sense is young males lack the bonding opportunities of the past. Fifty years ago a young guy went into the service or ran with his coevals, getting into minor scrapes with other groups of males, after working a job in a male dominated industry. Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW's.

    Just a hunch.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lugash, @Lot, @SFG

    as Steve says, it’s make-your-own-family

  34. Hilarious and smart review.

  35. Interesting that you think Diesel has improved as a vocal actor and cite Guardians of the Galaxy. Because that doesn’t jibe with history. One of Diesel’s “hey this guy’s got talent, he’s not justa meathead” early roles that got him some traction in Hollywood was his voice work for the film The Iron Giant, a modest hit animated children’s film wherein he voiced the titular character.

    I think when he’s not physically on screen Diesel feels more free to act. On screen, he seems to have this obsession to play “tough, rough” roles that appeal to 12 year olds, which makes him lower his voice to rap-like levels of unintelligiblity. His excellent work in Find Me Guilty was a departure, but he seems to be set on keeping in these roles rather than expanding into a full-fledged actor—the opposite of what was hoped for him when he first emerged.

  36. RE: The much discussed Paul Walker,

    Can’t say that he made much of an impression on me. I’ve watched roughly five and half* of his films all the way through: Furious 1 and 2, The Skulls, Flags of Our Fathers, Pleasantville, and Into The Blue.And he really didn’t stand out in any of them.

    *The half would be Into The Blue.Which is to say, I watched the portions where Jessica Alba’s shapely form was on display and ignored the rest.

    • Replies: @FredR
    @syonredux

    You should watch Hours, one of his last movies. It gives you a sense of the kind of actor he was growing into.

  37. ” … especially compared to the live action in last weekend’s WWE Wrestlemania.”

    Maybe they could introduce Brock Lesnar as a new character in the next movie. He’s not as good at dialogue as the Rock, but has the intimidating physique and scowl, and could even throw in a few “Suplex City, Bitch!”-esque quips upon dispatching the baddies.

  38. @syonredux

    The increasingly popular Fast & Furious movies are of interest because they say a lot about the multicultural America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow. The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.
     
    More Hispanic Mestizos: lower American mean IQ

    (In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.)
     
    For all of his tough guy posturing, Vin Diesel (real name:Mark Sinclair) is something of a nerd at heart.He was a huge D&D fan growing up* . He named his video game company Tigon (the offspring of a male tiger and a lioness), which sounds like what Napoleon Dynamite would do if he found out that Liger was taken.Huge comic book guy, etc.

    but one aspect of his solution is to lower his voice down to the subsonic level of the orang-utan in the latest Planet of the Apes movie, which is cool but semi-incomprehensible.

     

    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc

    It's odd.Older action stars spoke perfectly normally: Steve McQueen, John Wayne, Errol Flynn, etc. Clint Eastwood's tough-guy whisper was the outlier, but it's now become the norm.




    *Which goes a long way towards explaining the left turn that the Riddick franchise took in the second film.It's basically Vin playing a rogue Dark Elf in a D&D campaign module

    Here's Vin talking about D&D:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36_-DauQi0s

    Replies: @The Z Blog, @Reg Cæsar, @Father O'Hara

    Reminds me of the funny way Alec Baldwin talked in Steve’s beloved 30 Rock;a moronic intense whisper.

  39. @dearieme
    " America of the future, which will be, evidently, sentimental, expensive, cliched, and low-brow."

    No change there, then.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    MMM, on second thought, based on the Essex girls that I’ve encountered, maybe you wouldn’t notice the difference….

  40. @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    Were Smokey and the Bandit movies any better?
     
    The Smokey and the Bandit films were a dead end, cinema for rednecks.The Fast and The Furious franchise, in contrast, is the harbinger of the future.Looking at them, we see what America is becoming: Mestizo Hispanic morons.

    Replies: @Bad Memories, @doc dynamo

    Actually the Smokey and the Bandit films have suffered an exceptionally weird fate in popular memory. They’re almost completely forgotten, while the Dukes of Hazzard, a low grade ripoff them seems to have lodged firmly in cultural memory. Daisy Dukes are now legally recognized as a generic name for cutoff jeans. You can’t watch a car show without a 70s Dodge Charger being shown with everybody yelling “it’s the General Lee”.

  41. Whatever money Deisel makes from this series–and it must be damn good–there is a Jew behind him making 2x as much.

    • Replies: @John Smith
    @Father O'Hara

    Only twice as much? he must only be part-Jewish.

  42. @syonredux
    @dearieme

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Lot

    “Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice …”: not me personally, old fruit. I’ll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ? Still, you outnumber Canucks by such a huge ratio that I don’t suppose it’ll matter.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @dearieme


    not me personally, old fruit.
     
    Thanks for noticing, dear fellow.In our degenerate days, an Oscar Wildean veneer is the best defense against creeping vulgarity.

    I’ll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.
     
    Just turn your eyes homewards, dear fellow, to the Sceptred Isle, the land of shell suit wearing goons, Danny Dyer, Mrs. Brown's Boys D'Movie, Hotel Babylon, , etc

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ?
     
    Certainly won't hurt.They do, after all, get a higher class of South Asian than you fellows tend to get in the UK.....
    , @Brutusale
    @dearieme

    In a nation where a measurable number of births are to Pakistani blood relatives, you'll have your own problems serious enough to temper your schadenfreude.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language… and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I’m a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It’s incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very “fuzzy” border with Mexico – and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would – listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it’s like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress…

    So we watched “Furious 7”.
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn’t have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don’t always know them by name. In fact, I think that I’d only seen the first “Fast and Furious” movie prior to seeing “Furious 7”.

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences – as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons – Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I’m a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors’ lips aren’t in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don’t have the same “zing” as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it’s borders – probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie “300” was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular – far more popular than any of the non-American movies we’ve seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The “Fast and Furious” franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that’s because I’m an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn’t, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching “World War Z”. She wasn’t annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We’ve probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching “World War Z” once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt’s blue eyes? I’m starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching “World War Z” and asked me as we walked out of the theater. “Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?” She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, “Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?” I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is “Lord of the Rings”, which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it’s all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn’t matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn’t exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel… once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. “Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?” she will ask.
    Yet… she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine “family film” with the kids. As I recall, it was “The Inventor of Toys” to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as “Hugo”, but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn’t find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn’t wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner… at Pizza Hut in Miraflores – Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John’s Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye’s which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched “Cobra” with Sylvester Stallone – a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn’t speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I’m proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it’s such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I’ve ever dated or been married to (but I’m not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don’t let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people – truly highly intelligent people – don’t have to call people of other ethnicities “morons” just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I’ve been to European cities where virtually everyone is white – and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress…

    Can’t wait ’til “Fast 8” comes out.

    • Replies: @Kudzu Bob
    @Anonymous


    I’ve been to European cities where virtually everyone is white – and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
     
    Yes, I can see how that might come as a surprise to some.
    , @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can't make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don't chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn't spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anon

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Anonymous

    What are you writing a book here?

    , @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Excellent first post. This website needs a thumbs-up button.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    Well said.

  44. @syonredux
    @dearieme

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Lot

    So America will be like Israel then? Israel’s mean IQ is apparently 94:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    So America will be like Israel then? Israel’s mean IQ is apparently 94:

    http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg
     
    Israel's degeneration into a land of Levantine meatheads is quite sad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  45. @The Z Blog
    Regarding the bro-hugging and "I love you bro" stuff, this is very popular with young males. The series Sons of Anarchy was packed with it. The bikers were hugging on each other all the time, professing their love for one another. In real life, you see males bro-hug a lot so that's probably why the movies do it.

    My sense is young males lack the bonding opportunities of the past. Fifty years ago a young guy went into the service or ran with his coevals, getting into minor scrapes with other groups of males, after working a job in a male dominated industry. Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW's.

    Just a hunch.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lugash, @Lot, @SFG

    50 years ago they had actual brothers as well.

  46. @donut
    "but the ending had me sniffling too,"

    You bitch . The last time I cried in a movie was when the Germans lost in "The Longest Day".

    On another movie topic , have you ever seen the movie "Los Angeles Plays Itself" ? I saw it on Netflix a couple of months ago . It was in black and white and lacked polish you might say but still interesting to see the locations so many movies have used then and now . A lot of them no longer there . I've only visited LA briefly at different times , you being a native might have a different take . It's 169 min and not exactly action packed but you might find it interesting .

    Replies: @syonredux

    You bitch . The last time I cried in a movie was when the Germans lost in “The Longest Day”.

    MMM, well, Harold Bloom once said that watching Alec Guinness in Hitler: The Last Ten Days made him a little misty about the guy who butchered 12 million or so Europeans, so I suppose that you are in good comapny

    On another movie topic , have you ever seen the movie “Los Angeles Plays Itself” ? I saw it on Netflix a couple of months ago . It was in black and white and lacked polish you might say but still interesting to see the locations so many movies have used then and now . A lot of them no longer there . I’ve only visited LA briefly at different times , you being a native might have a different take . It’s 169 min and not exactly action packed but you might find it interesting .

    It’s quite good. Of course, the guy who made it weirdly merges SoCal patriotism (note how he slams Hitchcock for favoring the Bay Area over LA) with PC boilerplate (cf his enthusiasm for films that depict Blacks and Mestizos)

    • Replies: @donut
    @syonredux

    "slams Hitchcock for favoring the Bay Area over LA)"

    That's right I'd forgotten that .

  47. @dearieme
    @syonredux

    "Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice ...": not me personally, old fruit. I'll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ? Still, you outnumber Canucks by such a huge ratio that I don't suppose it'll matter.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Brutusale

    not me personally, old fruit.

    Thanks for noticing, dear fellow.In our degenerate days, an Oscar Wildean veneer is the best defense against creeping vulgarity.

    I’ll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.

    Just turn your eyes homewards, dear fellow, to the Sceptred Isle, the land of shell suit wearing goons, Danny Dyer, Mrs. Brown’s Boys D’Movie, Hotel Babylon, , etc

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ?

    Certainly won’t hurt.They do, after all, get a higher class of South Asian than you fellows tend to get in the UK…..

  48. @Lugash
    Was there a completely pointless, let's take the movie to Asia scene in order to appeal to the Chinese market? The last Transformers movie and the Robocop reboot had this crap.

    Replies: @With the thoughts you'd be thinkin

    The scenes are there because if you shoot enough of the film in China it counts as a local product and it isn’t kept out by the quota on foreign movies.

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @dearieme

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Lot

    “Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.”

    For example, at my son’s school (filled largely with the children of high functioning parents) the pick-up and drop-off line run without a hitch. Really, no one does anything wrong or stupid. Everyone is considerate. It runs like clockwork. Conversely, I’ve heard that at some other schools the drop-off and pick-up lines are a mess. I personally don’t like dealing with things that don’t run well – even things as fairly insignificant as school pick-up lines. I think most people like things that run well, i.e.lines at grocery stores, my example above, etc.

  50. Lot says:
    @franktremb

    “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.”
     
    As someone who is completely clueless about Los Angeles but watched Hollywood movies and played GTA:San Andreas and GTA V I'd say the LA River with its concrete ditch is "the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of."

    Replies: @Lot, @jimbojones, @cthulhu

    I agree, the dried out LA River has been in a ton of movies, and was also a regular set for 70s and 80s A-Team style action TV series.

    It’s probably easy to get permission to film there since it doesn’t have much other use, and is perfectly designed for car chases.

  51. Lot says:
    @anonymous
    It's "low-brow" and the dialogue is "aimed at 13-year olds", making it "most appealing to minorities". I'm glad you came out and said it. The dialogue for a lot of these movies is at the level of an average thirteen year old because that's the mental level at which it's pitched, that's where they're at on the mental continuum. Vin Diesel has close to ninety million 'likes' on his Facebook page. Why would anybody give a wazoo about Vin Diesel anyway? He's just an actor. Pending nuclear war would probably get fewer responses.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lot

    It’s “low-brow” and the dialogue is “aimed at 13-year olds”, making it “most appealing to minorities”.

    Pop music these days are also aimed at 13 year olds, but more girls than boys, since boys are more likely to be able to figure out how to download pirated music without also infecting their computer with a virus, but girls still buy CDs or beg their parents to do so.

  52. @Anonymous
    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language... and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I'm a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It's incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very "fuzzy" border with Mexico - and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would - listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it's like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress...

    So we watched "Furious 7".
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn't have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don't always know them by name. In fact, I think that I'd only seen the first "Fast and Furious" movie prior to seeing "Furious 7".

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences - as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons - Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I'm a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors' lips aren't in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don't have the same "zing" as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it's borders - probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie "300" was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular - far more popular than any of the non-American movies we've seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The "Fast and Furious" franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that's because I'm an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn't, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching "World War Z". She wasn't annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We've probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching "World War Z" once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt's blue eyes? I'm starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching "World War Z" and asked me as we walked out of the theater. "Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?" She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, "Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?" I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is "Lord of the Rings", which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it's all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn't matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn't exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel... once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. "Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?" she will ask.
    Yet... she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine "family film" with the kids. As I recall, it was "The Inventor of Toys" to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as "Hugo", but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn't find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn't wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner... at Pizza Hut in Miraflores - Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John's Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye's which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone - a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn't speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I'm proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it's such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever dated or been married to (but I'm not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don't let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people - truly highly intelligent people - don't have to call people of other ethnicities "morons" just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I've been to European cities where virtually everyone is white - and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress...

    Can't wait 'til "Fast 8" comes out.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob, @SFG, @Father O'Hara, @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    I’ve been to European cities where virtually everyone is white – and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.

    Yes, I can see how that might come as a surprise to some.

  53. Lot says:
    @The Z Blog
    Regarding the bro-hugging and "I love you bro" stuff, this is very popular with young males. The series Sons of Anarchy was packed with it. The bikers were hugging on each other all the time, professing their love for one another. In real life, you see males bro-hug a lot so that's probably why the movies do it.

    My sense is young males lack the bonding opportunities of the past. Fifty years ago a young guy went into the service or ran with his coevals, getting into minor scrapes with other groups of males, after working a job in a male dominated industry. Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW's.

    Just a hunch.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lugash, @Lot, @SFG

    Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW’s.

    I don’t think, outside of academia and government, SJW types have much power over workplace cultures. Our innate desire for money and the rules of capitalism ensure that. At worst they are dominated by people who just pretend to care about these issues.

    Tim Cook is worth, what, a billion dollars? If he really cared about political issues, he donate $50 million dollars a year to political campaigns, not sign his name to a ghost-written op ed.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @Lot

    "I don’t think, outside of academia and government, SJW types have much power over workplace cultures."

    Major corporation employee here, you're way off.

  54. @syonredux
    @dearieme

    Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice when the mean American IQ drops, courtesy of Hispanic Mestizo immigration, from 100 to, oh, roughly 94.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Lot

    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago. The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5), and will not be 94 in anyone’s lifetime here, even in 2060.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Lot


    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago.
     
    Please feel free to cut and paste, then

    The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5),
     
    Then what is it now? 97? 96? 95?

    and will not be 94 in anyone’s lifetime here, even in 2060.
     
    is 94 too high? I was trying to be ever so slightly optimistic....
    , @syonredux
    @Lot

    Don't bother; I found it:


    1810 96.64 (peak of the black percentage of the population)
    1940 98.35 (peak of the white percentage of the population)
    2015 97.76
    2060 95.31 (census projection)
     
    MMM, I predicted a mean national IQ of 94 in 2060 and you predicted a mean IQ of 95.31.

    Call me crazy, but a 95.31 mean IQ in 2060 is not cause for cheering...

    And that's assuming that we don't get a large influx of West Africans in the next 40 years....
  55. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So America will be like Israel then? Israel's mean IQ is apparently 94:

    http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    So America will be like Israel then? Israel’s mean IQ is apparently 94:

    http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg

    Israel’s degeneration into a land of Levantine meatheads is quite sad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94. An America with a mean IQ of 94 and an Ashkenazi elite and tens of millions of high IQ people would likewise still dominate the world. Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They're not terrible places.

    Replies: @syonredux

  56. @Lot
    @syonredux

    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago. The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5), and will not be 94 in anyone's lifetime here, even in 2060.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago.

    Please feel free to cut and paste, then

    The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5),

    Then what is it now? 97? 96? 95?

    and will not be 94 in anyone’s lifetime here, even in 2060.

    is 94 too high? I was trying to be ever so slightly optimistic….

  57. “The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.”

    Its amusing how that simultaneously sounds both slanderous, and almost certainly accurate.

  58. @syonredux
    @donut


    You bitch . The last time I cried in a movie was when the Germans lost in “The Longest Day”.
     
    MMM, well, Harold Bloom once said that watching Alec Guinness in Hitler: The Last Ten Days made him a little misty about the guy who butchered 12 million or so Europeans, so I suppose that you are in good comapny

    On another movie topic , have you ever seen the movie “Los Angeles Plays Itself” ? I saw it on Netflix a couple of months ago . It was in black and white and lacked polish you might say but still interesting to see the locations so many movies have used then and now . A lot of them no longer there . I’ve only visited LA briefly at different times , you being a native might have a different take . It’s 169 min and not exactly action packed but you might find it interesting .
     
    It's quite good. Of course, the guy who made it weirdly merges SoCal patriotism (note how he slams Hitchcock for favoring the Bay Area over LA) with PC boilerplate (cf his enthusiasm for films that depict Blacks and Mestizos)

    Replies: @donut

    “slams Hitchcock for favoring the Bay Area over LA)”

    That’s right I’d forgotten that .

  59. @Lot
    @syonredux

    I ran the numbers in a comment here a few weeks ago. The USA has never been IQ 100 (peak was around 1940 at 98.5), and will not be 94 in anyone's lifetime here, even in 2060.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Don’t bother; I found it:

    1810 96.64 (peak of the black percentage of the population)
    1940 98.35 (peak of the white percentage of the population)
    2015 97.76
    2060 95.31 (census projection)

    MMM, I predicted a mean national IQ of 94 in 2060 and you predicted a mean IQ of 95.31.

    Call me crazy, but a 95.31 mean IQ in 2060 is not cause for cheering…

    And that’s assuming that we don’t get a large influx of West Africans in the next 40 years….

  60. @The Z Blog
    Regarding the bro-hugging and "I love you bro" stuff, this is very popular with young males. The series Sons of Anarchy was packed with it. The bikers were hugging on each other all the time, professing their love for one another. In real life, you see males bro-hug a lot so that's probably why the movies do it.

    My sense is young males lack the bonding opportunities of the past. Fifty years ago a young guy went into the service or ran with his coevals, getting into minor scrapes with other groups of males, after working a job in a male dominated industry. Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW's.

    Just a hunch.

    Replies: @grey enlightenment, @Lugash, @Lot, @SFG

    It’s a hunch I agree with.

  61. @Lot
    @The Z Blog


    Today, young males are made to explore their feminine side through school and then head off to a work place dominated by SJW’s.
     
    I don't think, outside of academia and government, SJW types have much power over workplace cultures. Our innate desire for money and the rules of capitalism ensure that. At worst they are dominated by people who just pretend to care about these issues.

    Tim Cook is worth, what, a billion dollars? If he really cared about political issues, he donate $50 million dollars a year to political campaigns, not sign his name to a ghost-written op ed.

    Replies: @27 year old

    “I don’t think, outside of academia and government, SJW types have much power over workplace cultures.”

    Major corporation employee here, you’re way off.

  62. @The Z Blog
    @syonredux


    Annoyingly, the whispery growl seems de rigueur these days: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Christian Bale, etc
     
    I think with Diesel it works because he is not a very good actor and his language skills border on the comical. Having him whisper-grunt works for the character he plays. Statham is a little more loquacious and not as heavy on the whisper-grunt.

    Bale in Batman confused me. Not having followed the weird fan cult around it, I could not figure out why Bale's Batman talked like he was trying out for a cough medicine commercial. It was not menacing. It was goofy, almost a parody. But, maybe it is a thing and I'm too old to keep up with things.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “…I could not figure out why Bale’s Batman talked like he was trying out for a cough medicine commercial. It was not menacing. It was goofy, almost a parody.”

    I agree, yet I think the intent was to make him appear somehow enigmatic ie., only a fellow with a very peculiar background and/or mental state, would possibly go about talking like that. But it didn’t work, as you note.

  63. @Anonymous
    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language... and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I'm a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It's incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very "fuzzy" border with Mexico - and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would - listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it's like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress...

    So we watched "Furious 7".
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn't have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don't always know them by name. In fact, I think that I'd only seen the first "Fast and Furious" movie prior to seeing "Furious 7".

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences - as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons - Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I'm a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors' lips aren't in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don't have the same "zing" as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it's borders - probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie "300" was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular - far more popular than any of the non-American movies we've seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The "Fast and Furious" franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that's because I'm an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn't, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching "World War Z". She wasn't annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We've probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching "World War Z" once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt's blue eyes? I'm starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching "World War Z" and asked me as we walked out of the theater. "Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?" She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, "Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?" I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is "Lord of the Rings", which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it's all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn't matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn't exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel... once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. "Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?" she will ask.
    Yet... she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine "family film" with the kids. As I recall, it was "The Inventor of Toys" to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as "Hugo", but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn't find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn't wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner... at Pizza Hut in Miraflores - Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John's Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye's which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone - a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn't speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I'm proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it's such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever dated or been married to (but I'm not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don't let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people - truly highly intelligent people - don't have to call people of other ethnicities "morons" just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I've been to European cities where virtually everyone is white - and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress...

    Can't wait 'til "Fast 8" comes out.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob, @SFG, @Father O'Hara, @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can’t make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don’t chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn’t spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @SFG


    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can’t make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don’t chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn’t spoken and people confuse them with their maid.
     
    It's more of a selection for Mexico's middle/lower middle than its bottom. We don't get many of the pure-blooded, nearly beardless, very tiny Indians often don't speak Spanish, but make up about 20% of Mexico's population and are extremely poor.

    They are really strikingly small, about 5 feet on average for men. Mexico's only indio president, Benito Juarez, was 4'6" at a time when average white American was around 5'7". In Mexico City, you have to watch you don't run them over as they walk, quietly and slowly, down its sidewalks. While they do come to the USA in small numbers, it is nothing like their percentage of the overall Mexican population.
    , @Anon
    @SFG


    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can’t make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don’t chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn’t spoken and people confuse them with their maid.
     
    That would make it no different from previous waves of immigrants, who then went on to build the biggest economic power in the world. Mexico is an oligarchy, and a disorganized one at that, based on the sky-high crime rates. The odds are good that it hasn't come close to utilizing its human potential, because in Mexico, getting ahead may depend mostly on who you know, not what you know, as opposed to the reverse, stateside.

    The real issue isn't that we're getting the people who have been squeezed out by Mexico's inbred and corrupt system like their European predecessors before them. It's that research supposedly indicates that, on average, second-generation Hispanics in this country are doing worse than their elders, which is the reverse of what happened with immigrants from other lands.
  64. The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series and thus the most appealing to minorities.

    It’s comically (and/or tragically) absurd that liberals see Mexicans as the antidote to white prole culture. They’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    So America will be like Israel then? Israel’s mean IQ is apparently 94:

    http://www.amerika.org/wp-content/uploads/iq_and_the_wealth_of_nations.jpg
     
    Israel's degeneration into a land of Levantine meatheads is quite sad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94. An America with a mean IQ of 94 and an Ashkenazi elite and tens of millions of high IQ people would likewise still dominate the world. Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They’re not terrible places.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94
     
    Israel has certain advantages over the USA: Asabiyya

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They’re not terrible places.
     
    Oh, one can make do with a national mean IQ in the mid to low 90s, sure.But I might also note that it's certainly nothing to shoot for...

    Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.
     
    Seems to me that America hit her peak in the 1940s, back when we had a teeny-tiny Hispanic Mestizo population.But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That's not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hal

  66. Here’s a huge amount of birth trends data from the CDC:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

    There is some good news there that got lost within the big story that NH whites are now a minority of births.

    One best trend is teen birth rates for all races has gone done a lot.

    From 1991 to 2013, the percentage of girls age 10-14 who gave birth declined from 0.49% to .07% for NH blacks, from .05% to .01% for NH whites, and .24% to .05% for hispanics.

    For the 15-19 cohort, the percentage of girls giving birth each year declined during that period from 11.8% to 3.9% for blacks, 4.3% to 1.9% for whites, 2.7% to .8% for asians, and 10.5% to 4.2% for hispanics.

    Age 15-19 male fertility is also down by a large amount, from 2.4% at its peak in 1995 to 1.2% in 2013. Meanwhile fertility has gone up for all male cohorts between 30 to 55, with 25-29 and 55+ down slightly and 20-24 down by a large amount.

    The percentage of births to unmarried women also appears to have peaked three years ago, and is now very slowly declining.

    Here are the states the highest TFR:

    Utah, South Dakota 2.3
    Alaska 2.2
    Idaho, Nebraska, North Dakota, Texas, Hawaii 2.1
    Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Wyoming 2.0

    US Territory TFR are all outliers:
    DC 1.5
    Puerto Rico 1.5
    Guam 2.9
    Samoa 2.6

    States where more than 1 in 1000 women between ages 45 and 49 give birth:
    Alaska 1.1, California 1.3, CT 1.0, DC 2.3, Hawaii 1.2, MA 1.0, NJ 1.0, NY 1.3. The lowest old-lady fertility is in the South and Puerto Rico at 0.3.

    Hispanic TFR, since 1989, has decline from its peak of 2.96 to 2.149.

    Mexican American TFR peaked at 3.21 in 1990 to 2.08 now. Puerto Rican TFR declined from 2.57 to 1.68, Cuban from 1.62 to 1.37, while “other hispanic” does not have a declining trend, going from 3 in the early 90’s, to as low as 2.6 in 2004, and now back up to 2.8.

    NH Black TFR declined from its 1990 peak of 2.55 to 1.88 in 2013. The states with the most births to black women (NH black women) were Florida 53K (49), Texas 49K (46), New York 48K (38), Georgia 47K (44), North Carolina 32K (29), California 32K (29).

    New York is thus the extreme outlier for hispanic blacks, with as many black hispanic births than the combined total for FL, TX, and CA.

    NH White TFR lacks the clear downward trend of asians, blacks and most hispanic groups. It was 1.77 in 1989, rose to 1.91 in 2007, and is now at 1.75.

    California’s 2013 births were 181K Mexican, 57K all other hispanic and hispanic non specified, 144 NH white, 29 NH black. NH whites were only 29% of California births.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Lot

    And here's the bad news:


    The U.S. population is expected to grow more slowly in future decades than it did in the previous century. Nonetheless, the total population of 319 million in 2014 is projected to reach the 400 million threshold in 2051 and 417 million in 2060.

    Around the time the 2020 Census is conducted, more than half of the nation’s children are expected to be part of a minority race or ethnic group. This proportion is expected to continue to grow so that by 2060, just 36 percent of all children (people under age 18) will be single-race non-Hispanic white, compared with 52 percent today.

    The U.S. population as a whole is expected to follow a similar trend, becoming majority-minority in 2044. The minority population is projected to rise to 56 percent of the total in 2060, compared with 38 percent in 2014.

    While one milestone would be reached by the 2020 Census, another will be achieved by the 2030 Census: all baby boomers will have reached age 65 or older (this will actually occur in 2029). Consequently, in that year, one-in-five Americans would be 65 or older, up from one in seven in 2014.

    By 2060, the nation’s foreign-born population would reach nearly 19 percent of the total population, up from 13 percent in 2014.

    http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-tps16.html

     

    2014 2060

    Whites 62.2 43.6

    Hispanics 17.4 28.6

    Blacks 13.2 14.3

    Asians 5.4 9.3
  67. Like I’ve been saying, Ron Unz’s Proposition 227 in California in 1998 restricting bilingual education was pushing on a door that few realized was open. Now that California schools are told to teach kids in English, Mexican American kids think that Spanish language movies are only for seeing with their grannies. Cool movies are in English.

    Fair enough, but the question arises: do we actually want Mexicans in America engaging with English-language culture? When you’re dealing with small quantities of immigrants, cultural assimilation is generally desirable. When you’re dealing with tens of millions of people, assimilation is more of a two-way street, as evidenced here by the growing role of Hispanic consumers’ dollar-votes at the movies.

    In general, I think most societies would be wise to keep huge masses of foreigners at arm’s length, culturally and otherwise.

    Steve generally tries to make lemonade out of lemons, which is one of his admirable qualities. It’s practical and realistic. Sometimes, though, I’d just like to see the lemons returned to the grocery store.

  68. @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can't make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don't chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn't spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anon

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can’t make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don’t chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn’t spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    It’s more of a selection for Mexico’s middle/lower middle than its bottom. We don’t get many of the pure-blooded, nearly beardless, very tiny Indians often don’t speak Spanish, but make up about 20% of Mexico’s population and are extremely poor.

    They are really strikingly small, about 5 feet on average for men. Mexico’s only indio president, Benito Juarez, was 4’6″ at a time when average white American was around 5’7″. In Mexico City, you have to watch you don’t run them over as they walk, quietly and slowly, down its sidewalks. While they do come to the USA in small numbers, it is nothing like their percentage of the overall Mexican population.

  69. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94. An America with a mean IQ of 94 and an Ashkenazi elite and tens of millions of high IQ people would likewise still dominate the world. Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They're not terrible places.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94

    Israel has certain advantages over the USA: Asabiyya

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They’re not terrible places.

    Oh, one can make do with a national mean IQ in the mid to low 90s, sure.But I might also note that it’s certainly nothing to shoot for...

    Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.

    Seems to me that America hit her peak in the 1940s, back when we had a teeny-tiny Hispanic Mestizo population.But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That’s not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I'm not saying that it's "good" or that they're "better" than blacks. I'm saying that it's conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Hal
    @syonredux


    But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That’s not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise
     
    In 2050 there won't be 100 million Americans, and few of them will be Mexican descendents.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  70. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94
     
    Israel has certain advantages over the USA: Asabiyya

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They’re not terrible places.
     
    Oh, one can make do with a national mean IQ in the mid to low 90s, sure.But I might also note that it's certainly nothing to shoot for...

    Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.
     
    Seems to me that America hit her peak in the 1940s, back when we had a teeny-tiny Hispanic Mestizo population.But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That's not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hal

    I’m not saying that it’s “good” or that they’re “better” than blacks. I’m saying that it’s conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    I’m not saying that it’s “good” or that they’re “better” than blacks. I’m saying that it’s conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.
     
    Sure, it's conceivable, but it's also conceivable that Mestizo Hispanics will ally with Blacks against their common enemy, European Anglos....

    Replies: @Anonymous

  71. @Lot
    Here's a huge amount of birth trends data from the CDC:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_01.pdf

    There is some good news there that got lost within the big story that NH whites are now a minority of births.

    One best trend is teen birth rates for all races has gone done a lot.

    From 1991 to 2013, the percentage of girls age 10-14 who gave birth declined from 0.49% to .07% for NH blacks, from .05% to .01% for NH whites, and .24% to .05% for hispanics.

    For the 15-19 cohort, the percentage of girls giving birth each year declined during that period from 11.8% to 3.9% for blacks, 4.3% to 1.9% for whites, 2.7% to .8% for asians, and 10.5% to 4.2% for hispanics.

    Age 15-19 male fertility is also down by a large amount, from 2.4% at its peak in 1995 to 1.2% in 2013. Meanwhile fertility has gone up for all male cohorts between 30 to 55, with 25-29 and 55+ down slightly and 20-24 down by a large amount.

    The percentage of births to unmarried women also appears to have peaked three years ago, and is now very slowly declining.

    Here are the states the highest TFR:

    Utah, South Dakota 2.3
    Alaska 2.2
    Idaho, Nebraska, North Dakota, Texas, Hawaii 2.1
    Kansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Wyoming 2.0

    US Territory TFR are all outliers:
    DC 1.5
    Puerto Rico 1.5
    Guam 2.9
    Samoa 2.6

    States where more than 1 in 1000 women between ages 45 and 49 give birth:
    Alaska 1.1, California 1.3, CT 1.0, DC 2.3, Hawaii 1.2, MA 1.0, NJ 1.0, NY 1.3. The lowest old-lady fertility is in the South and Puerto Rico at 0.3.

    Hispanic TFR, since 1989, has decline from its peak of 2.96 to 2.149.

    Mexican American TFR peaked at 3.21 in 1990 to 2.08 now. Puerto Rican TFR declined from 2.57 to 1.68, Cuban from 1.62 to 1.37, while "other hispanic" does not have a declining trend, going from 3 in the early 90's, to as low as 2.6 in 2004, and now back up to 2.8.

    NH Black TFR declined from its 1990 peak of 2.55 to 1.88 in 2013. The states with the most births to black women (NH black women) were Florida 53K (49), Texas 49K (46), New York 48K (38), Georgia 47K (44), North Carolina 32K (29), California 32K (29).

    New York is thus the extreme outlier for hispanic blacks, with as many black hispanic births than the combined total for FL, TX, and CA.

    NH White TFR lacks the clear downward trend of asians, blacks and most hispanic groups. It was 1.77 in 1989, rose to 1.91 in 2007, and is now at 1.75.

    California's 2013 births were 181K Mexican, 57K all other hispanic and hispanic non specified, 144 NH white, 29 NH black. NH whites were only 29% of California births.

    Replies: @syonredux

    And here’s the bad news:

    The U.S. population is expected to grow more slowly in future decades than it did in the previous century. Nonetheless, the total population of 319 million in 2014 is projected to reach the 400 million threshold in 2051 and 417 million in 2060.

    Around the time the 2020 Census is conducted, more than half of the nation’s children are expected to be part of a minority race or ethnic group. This proportion is expected to continue to grow so that by 2060, just 36 percent of all children (people under age 18) will be single-race non-Hispanic white, compared with 52 percent today.

    The U.S. population as a whole is expected to follow a similar trend, becoming majority-minority in 2044. The minority population is projected to rise to 56 percent of the total in 2060, compared with 38 percent in 2014.

    While one milestone would be reached by the 2020 Census, another will be achieved by the 2030 Census: all baby boomers will have reached age 65 or older (this will actually occur in 2029). Consequently, in that year, one-in-five Americans would be 65 or older, up from one in seven in 2014.

    By 2060, the nation’s foreign-born population would reach nearly 19 percent of the total population, up from 13 percent in 2014.

    http://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-tps16.html

    2014 2060

    Whites 62.2 43.6

    Hispanics 17.4 28.6

    Blacks 13.2 14.3

    Asians 5.4 9.3

  72. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website

    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don’t know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren’t enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?

    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    I don't know how accurate that data is. I think Lynn has been criticized for some of his data.

    Those countries were pretty disorganized and or communist recently, so a reliable and accurate testing infrastructure may not have been in place and thus the scores might be misleading.

    It's hard to believe that Croatia has a mean of 90. That's significantly lower than the European average, and you'd expect such a difference to generate common stereotypes about Croatians. I've never heard of Croatians being stereotyped as less intelligent.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @jimbojones
    @prosa123

    The gypsies are something special... Even the communists failed at reforming them... They are incredible.

    By the way, proportionately, as many gypsies as Jews were wiped out during WW2. But we never hear about the gypsy Holocaust. That's because the gypsies are heroically disorganized.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    , @Father O'Hara
    @prosa123

    guys should just give up discussing Irish IQ. Let it be a "mystery". Just ask,is it clean,law abiding,fun,full of commerce,hi tech etc. If so-and i think they do pretty well,then its good.If not then it sucks.Case closed. Or ask this Walter O'Brien dude,who is an Irish hacker super genius about whom there is gonna be a CBS TV show.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @prosa123

    No, there aren't enough gypsies to pull down the Romanian and Bulgarian national IQs by more than a point.

    Replies: @Hugh

    , @Richard Lynn Fan Club
    @prosa123

    Perhaps we should not be too surprised to discover that Lynn and Vanhanen list the Irish IQ at just 93 based on two samples taken during the 1970s... The earlier of these, taken in 1972, involved nearly 3,500 Irish schoolchildren and is one of the largest European samples found anywhere in Lynn/Vanhanen, while the other, taken in 1979, involved just 75 Irish adults and is one of the smallest. The mean IQ of the large group was 87, while that of the tiny group was 98, and the Lynn/Vanhanen figure was obtained by combining these results through straight, unweighted averaging, which seems a doubtful approach. Indeed, a sample of 75 adults is so small it perhaps should simply be excluded on statistical grounds, given the high likelihood that it was drawn from a single location and is therefore unrepresentative of its nation as a whole.


    The American Conservative IQ and Wealth

    Table of IQs all over the place and interesting sample sizes.

    Lynn gets mentioned in the same way as Steven Jay Gould.

    Listing with Italy as highest scoring European country at 102

    Listing with Austria, Germany, Italy, Netherlands at 102

    A guy called Ron Unz discovered that many samples are taken from "swinging Capitol cit(ies)" schools where the residents are smarter than their fellow Springfieldites and Shelbyvillians and many others were nationwide.

    In short Lynn has discovered that comparing different sized samples of adult and childrens IQs is not a good idea and for this he should be praised.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    Lynn has revised his estimates several times now. According to his newest book, Intelligence: A unifying construct for the social sciences(2012), supposedly Croatia has an average IQ of 97.8, Ireland 94.9 and Slovenia 97.6. Lebanon is at 84.6, about on par with Oman, and higher than Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Yemen, but lower than Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Iran or Iraq. IIRC, there was some discussion between Unz and Lynn about some of the numbers in the latest book and what they might mean for Mexican Americans. Lynn gets quoted a lot, but people should be aware that many of his estimates jump around a lot from book to book. Makes it all seem pretty suspect.

    www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Vanhanen_2012_INTELLIGENCE_-_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences.pdf

    en.metapedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  73. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I'm not saying that it's "good" or that they're "better" than blacks. I'm saying that it's conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I’m not saying that it’s “good” or that they’re “better” than blacks. I’m saying that it’s conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.

    Sure, it’s conceivable, but it’s also conceivable that Mestizo Hispanics will ally with Blacks against their common enemy, European Anglos….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I think that's unlikely. The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don't seem to get along. But more importantly, I don't think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren't going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.

    Replies: @syonredux

  74. A Massachusetts pol who got to meet FDR reported to my grandpa that the president said he never aimed a speech above the level of a 13 year old.

    Plus ça change.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Joseph Moroco

    An early 80s journalism school text noted that the average American daily paper aimed it's writing at a 9th grade level.

    I imagine it's aimed at about the 6th grade now.

  75. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    I’m not saying that it’s “good” or that they’re “better” than blacks. I’m saying that it’s conceivable that they could neutralize the blacks politically and socially. Blacks tend to be more political, domineering, and attention seeking and thus more adept at gumming up the system.
     
    Sure, it's conceivable, but it's also conceivable that Mestizo Hispanics will ally with Blacks against their common enemy, European Anglos....

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I think that’s unlikely. The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don’t seem to get along. But more importantly, I don’t think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren’t going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    I think that’s unlikely.
     
    Didn't say that it was likely.Said that it was conceivable.

    The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don’t seem to get along.
     
    Nothing like a common enemy to gloss over differences.And the common enemy is European Anglos.

    But more importantly, I don’t think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren’t going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.
     
    Just have to make sure that they carve what they want out of the European Anglo pie.Sure, as the European Anglo share of the population goes down, that will get tougher.....

    Replies: @prosa123

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    I don’t know how accurate that data is. I think Lynn has been criticized for some of his data.

    Those countries were pretty disorganized and or communist recently, so a reliable and accurate testing infrastructure may not have been in place and thus the scores might be misleading.

    It’s hard to believe that Croatia has a mean of 90. That’s significantly lower than the European average, and you’d expect such a difference to generate common stereotypes about Croatians. I’ve never heard of Croatians being stereotyped as less intelligent.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Anonymous


    It’s hard to believe that Croatia has a mean of 90.
     
    Lynn's initial national IQ estimates, from around 1994, were really crazy and showed a very poor command of statistics and meta-analysis. His subsequently improved them, but they still aren't that great. Sometimes you have to just accept that no quality, carefully controlled, and internationally-normed IQ tests exist for a representative sample of a population, which he is reluctant to do.

    There is very little evidence for much IQ variation in different groups of European whites, with the big exception of elevated Ashkenazi IQ and depressed IQ in the Balkans, especially the two white Muslim populations in the Balkans: Albanians and Bosniaks.
  77. @franktremb

    “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.”
     
    As someone who is completely clueless about Los Angeles but watched Hollywood movies and played GTA:San Andreas and GTA V I'd say the LA River with its concrete ditch is "the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of."

    Replies: @Lot, @jimbojones, @cthulhu

    Yep, Grease and Point Blank have extremely memorable scenes on the LA “river.”

    Another super-recognizable landmark is the Santa Monica pier. AFAIR it was featured prominently in Falling Down with Michael Douglas.

    The tunnel Steve mentions is quite recognizable, but man, it’s such a dump. Downtown LA sucks pretty hard in general… Though I hear it has become more popular / better recently.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @jimbojones

    Also the remake of The Italian Job.

  78. @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    The gypsies are something special… Even the communists failed at reforming them… They are incredible.

    By the way, proportionately, as many gypsies as Jews were wiped out during WW2. But we never hear about the gypsy Holocaust. That’s because the gypsies are heroically disorganized.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @jimbojones

    "...proportionately, as many gypsies as Jews were wiped out during WW2. But we never hear about the gypsy Holocaust. That’s because the gypsies are heroically disorganized."

    Plus, no one really cares. Even European leftists, generally understand the truth about Gypsies ie., that they possess the magical ability to turn a plot of land into crap, merely by standing on it.

  79. @Anonymous
    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language... and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I'm a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It's incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very "fuzzy" border with Mexico - and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would - listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it's like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress...

    So we watched "Furious 7".
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn't have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don't always know them by name. In fact, I think that I'd only seen the first "Fast and Furious" movie prior to seeing "Furious 7".

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences - as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons - Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I'm a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors' lips aren't in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don't have the same "zing" as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it's borders - probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie "300" was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular - far more popular than any of the non-American movies we've seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The "Fast and Furious" franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that's because I'm an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn't, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching "World War Z". She wasn't annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We've probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching "World War Z" once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt's blue eyes? I'm starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching "World War Z" and asked me as we walked out of the theater. "Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?" She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, "Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?" I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is "Lord of the Rings", which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it's all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn't matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn't exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel... once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. "Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?" she will ask.
    Yet... she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine "family film" with the kids. As I recall, it was "The Inventor of Toys" to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as "Hugo", but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn't find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn't wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner... at Pizza Hut in Miraflores - Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John's Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye's which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone - a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn't speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I'm proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it's such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever dated or been married to (but I'm not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don't let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people - truly highly intelligent people - don't have to call people of other ethnicities "morons" just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I've been to European cities where virtually everyone is white - and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress...

    Can't wait 'til "Fast 8" comes out.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob, @SFG, @Father O'Hara, @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    What are you writing a book here?

  80. @Father O'Hara
    Whatever money Deisel makes from this series--and it must be damn good--there is a Jew behind him making 2x as much.

    Replies: @John Smith

    Only twice as much? he must only be part-Jewish.

  81. @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    guys should just give up discussing Irish IQ. Let it be a “mystery”. Just ask,is it clean,law abiding,fun,full of commerce,hi tech etc. If so-and i think they do pretty well,then its good.If not then it sucks.Case closed. Or ask this Walter O’Brien dude,who is an Irish hacker super genius about whom there is gonna be a CBS TV show.

  82. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    I think that's unlikely. The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don't seem to get along. But more importantly, I don't think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren't going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I think that’s unlikely.

    Didn’t say that it was likely.Said that it was conceivable.

    The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don’t seem to get along.

    Nothing like a common enemy to gloss over differences.And the common enemy is European Anglos.

    But more importantly, I don’t think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren’t going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.

    Just have to make sure that they carve what they want out of the European Anglo pie.Sure, as the European Anglo share of the population goes down, that will get tougher…..

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @syonredux

    It is not my impression that Hispanics consider whites an enemy. There are some militants who think otherwise, but their numbers are few and their influence almost nonexistent.

    Replies: @syonredux

  83. Very curious to see all the Kung Fu in the movie, which I take was a sop to the Chinese market.

    Also, I think they brought the CIA into the movie to explain where all the money came from. They needed a mechanism to explain how the stars are able to globe hop like they have Military Moxie. The basic building block of the F&F series is that their audience fantasizes that if they had that kind of money and those kinds of friends, they’d be doing exactly what the F&F crew is doing.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Johanus de Morgateroyde

    The members of the crew each cleared ~$10 million from a job in Fast 5.

  84. Lot says:
    @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    I don't know how accurate that data is. I think Lynn has been criticized for some of his data.

    Those countries were pretty disorganized and or communist recently, so a reliable and accurate testing infrastructure may not have been in place and thus the scores might be misleading.

    It's hard to believe that Croatia has a mean of 90. That's significantly lower than the European average, and you'd expect such a difference to generate common stereotypes about Croatians. I've never heard of Croatians being stereotyped as less intelligent.

    Replies: @Lot

    It’s hard to believe that Croatia has a mean of 90.

    Lynn’s initial national IQ estimates, from around 1994, were really crazy and showed a very poor command of statistics and meta-analysis. His subsequently improved them, but they still aren’t that great. Sometimes you have to just accept that no quality, carefully controlled, and internationally-normed IQ tests exist for a representative sample of a population, which he is reluctant to do.

    There is very little evidence for much IQ variation in different groups of European whites, with the big exception of elevated Ashkenazi IQ and depressed IQ in the Balkans, especially the two white Muslim populations in the Balkans: Albanians and Bosniaks.

  85. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    I think that’s unlikely.
     
    Didn't say that it was likely.Said that it was conceivable.

    The mestizo Hispanics and blacks don’t seem to get along.
     
    Nothing like a common enemy to gloss over differences.And the common enemy is European Anglos.

    But more importantly, I don’t think elite Hispanics are going to give up their natural constituency to blacks, and blacks aren’t going to follow or play second fiddle to elite Hispanic in politics.
     
    Just have to make sure that they carve what they want out of the European Anglo pie.Sure, as the European Anglo share of the population goes down, that will get tougher.....

    Replies: @prosa123

    It is not my impression that Hispanics consider whites an enemy. There are some militants who think otherwise, but their numbers are few and their influence almost nonexistent.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @prosa123


    It is not my impression that Hispanics consider whites an enemy.
     
    Try hanging out with La Raza types on campus some time

    There are some militants who think otherwise, but their numbers are few and their influence almost nonexistent.
     
    MMM, well, seems to me that same sex marriage was a fringe notion not too long ago....You know, the kind of idea that was taken seriously by only a handful of radical militants....
  86. @franktremb

    “the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of.”
     
    As someone who is completely clueless about Los Angeles but watched Hollywood movies and played GTA:San Andreas and GTA V I'd say the LA River with its concrete ditch is "the most recognizable city landmark most Americans have never heard of."

    Replies: @Lot, @jimbojones, @cthulhu

    How about the elevated 105 freeway from Sepulveda to the 405, and / or Imperial directly below it? Gets used in tons of stuff because it’s relatively easy to close temporarily for a shoot.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @cthulhu

    I love driving on the elevated parts of the 105, preferably fast and in light traffic on a sunny weekend morning. It is the closest I'll even get to flying a plane. This is my favorite part:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Harry_Pregerson_Interchange

    From the LA Times:


    With the top lanes soaring 120 feet in the air--higher than a 10-story building--the interchange is the biggest, tallest, most costly traffic structure yet built by California Department of Transportation, engineers report.


    The car pool lane interchange is the best. Do it twice, once with the active enjoyment of driving, then switch and just gaze out the window at the view.

    the interchange is named for Harry Pregerson, a longtime federal judge who presided over the lawsuit concerning the I-105 freeway's construction.

    What a great incentive that provides to CalTrans: Dear Judge, don't let the NIMBYs block our freeway, 'cause if you side with us we'll name it after you!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  87. @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    No, there aren’t enough gypsies to pull down the Romanian and Bulgarian national IQs by more than a point.

    • Replies: @Hugh
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Romania has a blossoming IT industry that relies on home-grown talent.

  88. @syonredux
    RE: The much discussed Paul Walker,

    Can't say that he made much of an impression on me. I've watched roughly five and half* of his films all the way through: Furious 1 and 2, The Skulls, Flags of Our Fathers, Pleasantville, and Into The Blue.And he really didn't stand out in any of them.

    *The half would be Into The Blue.Which is to say, I watched the portions where Jessica Alba's shapely form was on display and ignored the rest.

    Replies: @FredR

    You should watch Hours, one of his last movies. It gives you a sense of the kind of actor he was growing into.

  89. Lynn estimates the Lebanese IQ at 82, lower than Afghanistan (!), American blacks, & every country in Latin America, when Lebanese immigrants end up as economic elites across west Africa and South America and do about as well as white ethnics in the US, Canada, and France. He also categorizes the Ethiopians as pretty much the dumbest people on Earth, when they maintained the most advanced civilization in sub-Saharan Africa for centuries and also do fine when they immigrate to the U.S. His statistics are garbage.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Earl Lemongrab

    Take all that national IQ stuff with a bag of salt. If Croats have a mean IQ of 90 and Lebanese 82 then the American one must be 80. When one actually interacts with some of these groups they see that there's a variety of people within them and that things are not so simple.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  90. ” In particular, the filmed hand to hand fights are overly-stylized”

    James Wan has turned out to be a much tackier director than Justin Lin, who did a great job with the series.

  91. I went through a long list of Fast and Furious characters.

    It’s a very multi ethnic movie franchise, but noticeably lacking in Mexicans and South Asians (Indians).

    Of all the characters in the 7 Fast Furious movies, I only found one of Mexican origin. Noel Gugliemi (“Hector”). He’s actually half Italian and half Mexican. He has minor roles in the first and seventh movie. I also only found one Indian character (Bollywood actor Ali Fazal), who does a brief cameo in Furious 7 and plays a Arab oil sheikh.

    There are large numbers of Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban, Italian, African-American actors, and (interestingly) Asian characters.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The directors of the last 5 have been Asians: Justin Lin and now James Wan.

    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, "diversity" basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @syonredux

  92. @JohnnyWalker123
    I went through a long list of Fast and Furious characters.

    It's a very multi ethnic movie franchise, but noticeably lacking in Mexicans and South Asians (Indians).

    Of all the characters in the 7 Fast Furious movies, I only found one of Mexican origin. Noel Gugliemi ("Hector"). He's actually half Italian and half Mexican. He has minor roles in the first and seventh movie. I also only found one Indian character (Bollywood actor Ali Fazal), who does a brief cameo in Furious 7 and plays a Arab oil sheikh.

    There are large numbers of Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban, Italian, African-American actors, and (interestingly) Asian characters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The directors of the last 5 have been Asians: Justin Lin and now James Wan.

    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, “diversity” basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer


    the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible
     
    Melanin isn't the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they're well-represented.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, “diversity” basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.
     
    Yeah, the "Hispanic" element in the films is largely non-Mexican:

    Jordana Brewster, the half-Brazilian* granddaughter of Kingman Brewster**(a man who was so elite that he turned down membership in Skull and Bones) counts as Hispanic for marketing purposes (Who cares if Brazilians aren't technically Hispanic?)

    Eva Mendes: F&F 2, Cuban

    Michelle Rodriguez***: Half Dominican, half Puerto Rican


    Mexicans are just really boring





    *White Brazilian.Here's a photo of Jordana with her ex-model mom:http://www.contactmusic.com/jordana-brewster/pictures/c0145942/jordana_brewster_5303725

    **

    Brewster was born in Longmeadow, Massachusetts,[1] the son of Florence Foster (née Besse), a 1907 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Wellesley College,[2][3] and Kingman Brewster, Sr., a 1906 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Amherst College and a 1911 graduate of the Harvard Law School.[4][5][6] He was a direct lineal descendant of Elder William Brewster (c. 1567 - April 10, 1644), the Mayflower passenger, Pilgrim colonist leader, and spiritual elder of the Plymouth Colony, through his son Jonathan Brewster; he was also descended from Mayflower passenger John Howland.[7] He was a grandson of Charles Kingman Brewster[4][5] and Celina Sophia Baldwin, and Lyman Waterman Besse and Henrietta Louisa Segee. His maternal grandfather, Lyman W. Besse, owned an extensive chain of clothing stores in the Northeast known as "The Besse System."[5][8]

    After graduating from Belmont Hill School[18] in Belmont, Massachusetts, Brewster entered Yale University,[19] graduating in 1941 where he was chairman of the Yale Daily News. His junior year, he turned down an offer of membership in Skull and Bones becoming a legend in Yale undergraduate lore.
     
    *** Her DNA results:

    A DNA test of Rodriguez, performed by the television program Finding Your Roots, found that her ancestry is 72.4% European, 21.3% African, and 6.3% Native American.[16]
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  93. Lot says:
    @cthulhu
    @franktremb

    How about the elevated 105 freeway from Sepulveda to the 405, and / or Imperial directly below it? Gets used in tons of stuff because it's relatively easy to close temporarily for a shoot.

    Replies: @Lot

    I love driving on the elevated parts of the 105, preferably fast and in light traffic on a sunny weekend morning. It is the closest I’ll even get to flying a plane. This is my favorite part:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Harry_Pregerson_Interchange

    From the LA Times:


    With the top lanes soaring 120 feet in the air–higher than a 10-story building–the interchange is the biggest, tallest, most costly traffic structure yet built by California Department of Transportation, engineers report.

    The car pool lane interchange is the best. Do it twice, once with the active enjoyment of driving, then switch and just gaze out the window at the view.

    the interchange is named for Harry Pregerson, a longtime federal judge who presided over the lawsuit concerning the I-105 freeway’s construction.

    What a great incentive that provides to CalTrans: Dear Judge, don’t let the NIMBYs block our freeway, ’cause if you side with us we’ll name it after you!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lot

    It's kind of the ultimate evolution of the scale of L.A. freeway architecture from the toy Pasadena Freeway of 1940, which is like the Autotopia ride at Disneyland.

  94. @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    Ok, but Israel still does well and punches far above its weight in terms of size with an Ashkenazi elite and an average IQ of 94
     
    Israel has certain advantages over the USA: Asabiyya

    Also, Portugal and Slovenia have an average IQ of 95, and Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Croatia are below 94. They’re not terrible places.
     
    Oh, one can make do with a national mean IQ in the mid to low 90s, sure.But I might also note that it's certainly nothing to shoot for...

    Also, to the extent that the blacks are neutralized by the Hispanics, America could conceivably become even more efficient and powerful.
     
    Seems to me that America hit her peak in the 1940s, back when we had a teeny-tiny Hispanic Mestizo population.But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That's not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hal

    But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That’s not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise

    In 2050 there won’t be 100 million Americans, and few of them will be Mexican descendents.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Hal

    "In 2050 there won’t be 100 million Americans, and few of them will be Mexican descendents."

    Interesting. Please do elaborate.

  95. Here are some gawking tourists who taped their ride on the Pregerson Interchange’s 120-foot-high express lane:

    Here’s the elevated part of the 110 headed into downtown:

    Just the view is worth the toll charge.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Lot

    Nice. Recommended L.A. freeway stretches- The stretch of the 605 from the 60 up to
    the 210. Almost the entire 105, especially near LAX. The thrill-ride intersections of the 60
    onto N. bound 110. 60 N.Bound to 15, 10 to always congested 405 S. bound. 101 thru Hollywood. The epic passes of the 5 and 15 through the San Gabriel Mountains. The 91 between the 71 and 57. The 241 which is a toll road and is awesome. The coolest thing to descend into L.A. from 101, 5, 15. And all the stretches in the high desert, especially the 15.

  96. @Lot
    @cthulhu

    I love driving on the elevated parts of the 105, preferably fast and in light traffic on a sunny weekend morning. It is the closest I'll even get to flying a plane. This is my favorite part:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Harry_Pregerson_Interchange

    From the LA Times:


    With the top lanes soaring 120 feet in the air--higher than a 10-story building--the interchange is the biggest, tallest, most costly traffic structure yet built by California Department of Transportation, engineers report.


    The car pool lane interchange is the best. Do it twice, once with the active enjoyment of driving, then switch and just gaze out the window at the view.

    the interchange is named for Harry Pregerson, a longtime federal judge who presided over the lawsuit concerning the I-105 freeway's construction.

    What a great incentive that provides to CalTrans: Dear Judge, don't let the NIMBYs block our freeway, 'cause if you side with us we'll name it after you!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It’s kind of the ultimate evolution of the scale of L.A. freeway architecture from the toy Pasadena Freeway of 1940, which is like the Autotopia ride at Disneyland.

  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    @prosa123

    No, there aren't enough gypsies to pull down the Romanian and Bulgarian national IQs by more than a point.

    Replies: @Hugh

    Romania has a blossoming IT industry that relies on home-grown talent.

  98. I liked FF 1. At the time, I had no idea about the rice rocket thing.

  99. Good point. Though the first two movies had non-Asian directors, but lots of Asian characters. This is one of the few franchises that includes quite a few Asian male characters and shows Asian men in masculine roles.

    Yeah, the lack of Mexican-origin characters is definitely startling. You’d think that with all the Mexican-Americans into car culture in southern California, they’d find a few Mexican actors. I think one issue is that Conquistador-Americans (especially Cubans) are often better looking than Mexicans, while the Puerto Ricans and Dominicans tend to be more masculine and sexy. So those ethnicities (and Italians) are favored for Latino roles, while Mexicans don’t really have much of a niche. The lack of Mexican characters hasn’t hurt the movie with Mexican-American audiences.

    Lots of the characters (Vin Diesel, the Rock, Michelle Rodriguez, Brewster, etc.) are very ethnically ambiguous looking. I don’t think that’s an accident.

    The other group without much of a niche are Indians and Middle Easterners. I forgot that there a couple Middle Eastern origin guys who’ve had minor roles in the franchise. Mo Gallini and Eric Etebari both showed up for small roles in 2 Fast 2 Furious. Also, Ali Fazal is Indian, but he plays a Arab origin guy in his Furious 7 cameo.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @JohnnyWalker123

    FF1 actually start4d out as mostly ostensibly white crew (with the exception of Michelle Rodriguez), with a rival Asian gang. Jordana Brewster was cast as Vin Diesel's sister for plausibility purposes.

  100. “The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible.”

    Does it feature the phrases “You’re going down.”, “Let’s do this.”, “I don’t have time to explain right now”, or “We have a situation here.”? Those are my favorite bad, hackneyed lines.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    "I can't do this" is another good movie line.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

  101. @Mr. Anon
    "The dialogue, which appears to be aimed at 13-year-olds and people who haven’t heard before English language phrases like The Rock’s line “stick it where the sun don’t shine,” is pretty terrible."

    Does it feature the phrases "You're going down.", "Let's do this.", "I don't have time to explain right now", or "We have a situation here."? Those are my favorite bad, hackneyed lines.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “I can’t do this” is another good movie line.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Steve Sailer

    "Dont kill X--he's mine!"

  102. @Lot
    Here are some gawking tourists who taped their ride on the Pregerson Interchange's 120-foot-high express lane:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW8a6UdR970


    Here's the elevated part of the 110 headed into downtown:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW8a6UdR970

    Just the view is worth the toll charge.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Nice. Recommended L.A. freeway stretches- The stretch of the 605 from the 60 up to
    the 210. Almost the entire 105, especially near LAX. The thrill-ride intersections of the 60
    onto N. bound 110. 60 N.Bound to 15, 10 to always congested 405 S. bound. 101 thru Hollywood. The epic passes of the 5 and 15 through the San Gabriel Mountains. The 91 between the 71 and 57. The 241 which is a toll road and is awesome. The coolest thing to descend into L.A. from 101, 5, 15. And all the stretches in the high desert, especially the 15.

  103. The movie was awesome. Saw it in a packed theater last night. Paid $15×2, and felt like it was a great deal. They should study these movies in film school. The ending tribute to Paul Walker was nice.

  104. Jordana Brewster has a pretty strong Sailerbait background. She was born in Panama. Her Brazilian mother was a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model and her paternal grandfather was the president of Yale. A paternal ancestor came over on the Mayflower.

  105. Jordana Brewster has a pretty strong Sailerbait background. She was born in Panama. Her Brazilian mother was a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model and her paternal grandfather was the president of Yale. A paternal ancestor came over on the Mayflower.

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The directors of the last 5 have been Asians: Justin Lin and now James Wan.

    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, "diversity" basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @syonredux

    the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible

    Melanin isn’t the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they’re well-represented.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    Melanin isn’t the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they’re well-represented.
     
    "T-level?" If that means testosterone level, well, most of the Mexican men that I saw growing up in CA were really fat and flabby.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Desiderius

  107. @jimbojones
    @prosa123

    The gypsies are something special... Even the communists failed at reforming them... They are incredible.

    By the way, proportionately, as many gypsies as Jews were wiped out during WW2. But we never hear about the gypsy Holocaust. That's because the gypsies are heroically disorganized.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “…proportionately, as many gypsies as Jews were wiped out during WW2. But we never hear about the gypsy Holocaust. That’s because the gypsies are heroically disorganized.”

    Plus, no one really cares. Even European leftists, generally understand the truth about Gypsies ie., that they possess the magical ability to turn a plot of land into crap, merely by standing on it.

  108. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The directors of the last 5 have been Asians: Justin Lin and now James Wan.

    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, "diversity" basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @syonredux

    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, “diversity” basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.

    Yeah, the “Hispanic” element in the films is largely non-Mexican:

    Jordana Brewster, the half-Brazilian* granddaughter of Kingman Brewster**(a man who was so elite that he turned down membership in Skull and Bones) counts as Hispanic for marketing purposes (Who cares if Brazilians aren’t technically Hispanic?)

    Eva Mendes: F&F 2, Cuban

    Michelle Rodriguez***: Half Dominican, half Puerto Rican

    Mexicans are just really boring

    *White Brazilian.Here’s a photo of Jordana with her ex-model mom:http://www.contactmusic.com/jordana-brewster/pictures/c0145942/jordana_brewster_5303725

    **

    Brewster was born in Longmeadow, Massachusetts,[1] the son of Florence Foster (née Besse), a 1907 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Wellesley College,[2][3] and Kingman Brewster, Sr., a 1906 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Amherst College and a 1911 graduate of the Harvard Law School.[4][5][6] He was a direct lineal descendant of Elder William Brewster (c. 1567 – April 10, 1644), the Mayflower passenger, Pilgrim colonist leader, and spiritual elder of the Plymouth Colony, through his son Jonathan Brewster; he was also descended from Mayflower passenger John Howland.[7] He was a grandson of Charles Kingman Brewster[4][5] and Celina Sophia Baldwin, and Lyman Waterman Besse and Henrietta Louisa Segee. His maternal grandfather, Lyman W. Besse, owned an extensive chain of clothing stores in the Northeast known as “The Besse System.”[5][8]

    After graduating from Belmont Hill School[18] in Belmont, Massachusetts, Brewster entered Yale University,[19] graduating in 1941 where he was chairman of the Yale Daily News. His junior year, he turned down an offer of membership in Skull and Bones becoming a legend in Yale undergraduate lore.

    *** Her DNA results:

    A DNA test of Rodriguez, performed by the television program Finding Your Roots, found that her ancestry is 72.4% European, 21.3% African, and 6.3% Native American.[16]

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    It's nice that F&F has made Michelle Rodriguez-versus-female MMA fighters a recurring theme in the movies now. Kind of striking how robust those MMA gals look next to her. You see them in a ring and you don't realize it, but next to an actress they look like they could snap her in half.

    Rodriguez and Vin Diesel have less chemistry than any movie couple in recent memory. It's just hard to think of her as anything but a tomboyish lesbian.

  109. @Hal
    @syonredux


    But in 2050 America is going to have over 100 million Mestizo Hispanics.That’s not going to be good.And saying that Mestizo Hispanics are better than Blacks is damning with faint praise
     
    In 2050 there won't be 100 million Americans, and few of them will be Mexican descendents.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “In 2050 there won’t be 100 million Americans, and few of them will be Mexican descendents.”

    Interesting. Please do elaborate.

  110. @prosa123
    @syonredux

    It is not my impression that Hispanics consider whites an enemy. There are some militants who think otherwise, but their numbers are few and their influence almost nonexistent.

    Replies: @syonredux

    It is not my impression that Hispanics consider whites an enemy.

    Try hanging out with La Raza types on campus some time

    There are some militants who think otherwise, but their numbers are few and their influence almost nonexistent.

    MMM, well, seems to me that same sex marriage was a fringe notion not too long ago….You know, the kind of idea that was taken seriously by only a handful of radical militants….

  111. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Earl Lemongrab
    Lynn estimates the Lebanese IQ at 82, lower than Afghanistan (!), American blacks, & every country in Latin America, when Lebanese immigrants end up as economic elites across west Africa and South America and do about as well as white ethnics in the US, Canada, and France. He also categorizes the Ethiopians as pretty much the dumbest people on Earth, when they maintained the most advanced civilization in sub-Saharan Africa for centuries and also do fine when they immigrate to the U.S. His statistics are garbage.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Take all that national IQ stuff with a bag of salt. If Croats have a mean IQ of 90 and Lebanese 82 then the American one must be 80. When one actually interacts with some of these groups they see that there’s a variety of people within them and that things are not so simple.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @anonymous

    Chances are, some of the smartest Croats and Lebanese are here, rather than in Croatia or Lebanon, so that's a factor too.

  112. Even European leftists, generally understand the truth about Gypsies ie., that they possess the magical ability to turn a plot of land into crap, merely by standing on it.

    And a few American ones, too. An Hispanic neighbor who is also a standard-issue educated progressive – serves on her employer’s diversity-outreach committee, etc., etc. – had some especially vibrant Roma begin renting a house a couple of doors down a few years ago. We discussed once, which was amusing because she sounded so much like Archie Bunker.

  113. @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer


    the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible
     
    Melanin isn't the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they're well-represented.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Melanin isn’t the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they’re well-represented.

    “T-level?” If that means testosterone level, well, most of the Mexican men that I saw growing up in CA were really fat and flabby.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    Must be an interesting story there...

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Desiderius
    @syonredux

    If T-level isn't highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html

    Replies: @syonredux

  114. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    "I can't do this" is another good movie line.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    “Dont kill X–he’s mine!”

  115. @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    Melanin isn’t the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they’re well-represented.
     
    "T-level?" If that means testosterone level, well, most of the Mexican men that I saw growing up in CA were really fat and flabby.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Desiderius

    Must be an interesting story there…

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Father O'Hara


    Must be an interesting story there…
     
    Sadly, no.Just using my lying eyes. Go to a beach or waterpark. Mexican-Honduran-Salvadoran men are the ones with the bloated guts and scrawny arms and legs. They also tend to wear T-shirts with their swim shorts.Perhaps as a way to hide the gut fat?
  116. @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    Perhaps we should not be too surprised to discover that Lynn and Vanhanen list the Irish IQ at just 93 based on two samples taken during the 1970s… The earlier of these, taken in 1972, involved nearly 3,500 Irish schoolchildren and is one of the largest European samples found anywhere in Lynn/Vanhanen, while the other, taken in 1979, involved just 75 Irish adults and is one of the smallest. The mean IQ of the large group was 87, while that of the tiny group was 98, and the Lynn/Vanhanen figure was obtained by combining these results through straight, unweighted averaging, which seems a doubtful approach. Indeed, a sample of 75 adults is so small it perhaps should simply be excluded on statistical grounds, given the high likelihood that it was drawn from a single location and is therefore unrepresentative of its nation as a whole.

    The American Conservative IQ and Wealth

    Table of IQs all over the place and interesting sample sizes.

    Lynn gets mentioned in the same way as Steven Jay Gould.

    Listing with Italy as highest scoring European country at 102

    Listing with Austria, Germany, Italy, Netherlands at 102

    A guy called Ron Unz discovered that many samples are taken from “swinging Capitol cit(ies)” schools where the residents are smarter than their fellow Springfieldites and Shelbyvillians and many others were nationwide.

    In short Lynn has discovered that comparing different sized samples of adult and childrens IQs is not a good idea and for this he should be praised.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Richard Lynn Fan Club

    I don't understand what you're saying. It seems that what you're saying is that a lot of Lynn's data should be disregarded.

    Replies: @Richard Lynn Fan Club

  117. @Sam Haysom
    @Sparkling Wiggle

    David Spade is to my mind criminally underrated in general. I get that for maybe 10 months in the early 90s he was extremely overexposed and that probably annoyed some people, but for goodness sakes the most beloved liberal entertainer of this generation, John Stewart, basically just stole David Spade's persona added in a little Jerry Lewis-like mugging and made a career out of it. No one was better at extricating themselves when their jokes bombed than Spade was.

    Replies: @Sparkling Wiggle

    The Showbiz Show 2006-7 was the best thing Comedy Central ever produced.

  118. @Richard Lynn Fan Club
    @prosa123

    Perhaps we should not be too surprised to discover that Lynn and Vanhanen list the Irish IQ at just 93 based on two samples taken during the 1970s... The earlier of these, taken in 1972, involved nearly 3,500 Irish schoolchildren and is one of the largest European samples found anywhere in Lynn/Vanhanen, while the other, taken in 1979, involved just 75 Irish adults and is one of the smallest. The mean IQ of the large group was 87, while that of the tiny group was 98, and the Lynn/Vanhanen figure was obtained by combining these results through straight, unweighted averaging, which seems a doubtful approach. Indeed, a sample of 75 adults is so small it perhaps should simply be excluded on statistical grounds, given the high likelihood that it was drawn from a single location and is therefore unrepresentative of its nation as a whole.


    The American Conservative IQ and Wealth

    Table of IQs all over the place and interesting sample sizes.

    Lynn gets mentioned in the same way as Steven Jay Gould.

    Listing with Italy as highest scoring European country at 102

    Listing with Austria, Germany, Italy, Netherlands at 102

    A guy called Ron Unz discovered that many samples are taken from "swinging Capitol cit(ies)" schools where the residents are smarter than their fellow Springfieldites and Shelbyvillians and many others were nationwide.

    In short Lynn has discovered that comparing different sized samples of adult and childrens IQs is not a good idea and for this he should be praised.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t understand what you’re saying. It seems that what you’re saying is that a lot of Lynn’s data should be disregarded.

    • Replies: @Richard Lynn Fan Club
    @Anonymous

    HDBchick's discussion on the matter

    Has many references to where he got his data from.

    Men are more brainy than women Richard Lynn

    His Lawrence Summers moment.

  119. @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    Must be an interesting story there...

    Replies: @syonredux

    Must be an interesting story there…

    Sadly, no.Just using my lying eyes. Go to a beach or waterpark. Mexican-Honduran-Salvadoran men are the ones with the bloated guts and scrawny arms and legs. They also tend to wear T-shirts with their swim shorts.Perhaps as a way to hide the gut fat?

  120. @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    Melanin isn’t the only relevant measure.

    By T-level, they’re well-represented.
     
    "T-level?" If that means testosterone level, well, most of the Mexican men that I saw growing up in CA were really fat and flabby.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Desiderius

    If T-level isn’t highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    If T-level isn’t highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html
     
    Sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that young Mestizos have less testosterone than young Anglo Europeans.Fat is feminizing (lowers testosterone levels) and the Mestizos in CA that I know are a fat and flabby lot.Seriously, phys ed in High School was a masterclass in HBD. The physically fit guys were all Anglo Europeans and Blacks. The Mestizos were a sea of gut fat and manboobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

  121. @Desiderius
    @syonredux

    If T-level isn't highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html

    Replies: @syonredux

    If T-level isn’t highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html

    Sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that young Mestizos have less testosterone than young Anglo Europeans.Fat is feminizing (lowers testosterone levels) and the Mestizos in CA that I know are a fat and flabby lot.Seriously, phys ed in High School was a masterclass in HBD. The physically fit guys were all Anglo Europeans and Blacks. The Mestizos were a sea of gut fat and manboobs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who's relatively flabby compared to the other fighters. He became UFC heavyweight champion 5 years ago by defeating the less flabby and more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar in a TKO:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxTghsSWnMc

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Desiderius
    @syonredux

    syon,

    Ts have been rising among the young across the board, no doubt. The chicks have been demanding it in no uncertain terms.

    Just saying the negative-T Pence/Romney Anglo glut 40-60 isn't much for checking out the FnF movies, while our more macho Mexican compadres clustered in the 15-25 range are more likely to be into that sort of thing, even if their look is more along the Lucha Libre line.

    Replies: @syonredux

  122. Just got back from the movie. I have two observations:

    1) I thought I was watching a car movie. It turns out I was watching a GI Joe movie.

    2) for reasons related to my physical safety, I will no longer be going to movies starring Vin Diesel and/or Ludacris.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    If T-level isn’t highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html
     
    Sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that young Mestizos have less testosterone than young Anglo Europeans.Fat is feminizing (lowers testosterone levels) and the Mestizos in CA that I know are a fat and flabby lot.Seriously, phys ed in High School was a masterclass in HBD. The physically fit guys were all Anglo Europeans and Blacks. The Mestizos were a sea of gut fat and manboobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who’s relatively flabby compared to the other fighters. He became UFC heavyweight champion 5 years ago by defeating the less flabby and more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar in a TKO:

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who’s relatively flabby compared to the other fighters.
     
    "Brown Pride" may look flabby, but he has an incredible, phenomenal cardio, probably the best among MMA heavyweights ever. In fact, many fight analysts consider his extremely high pace to be his most potent weapon.

    His flabby look is probably from a relatively poor diet. Since he is a small heavyweight (240 lb.), with the proper fighter diet, he can probably fight at light heavyweight too if he really wanted to do so.

    more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar
     
    Lesnar only became a champion because he beat an aging Randy Couture (whose natural fighting weight was at light heavyweight). It's pretty clear that Lesnar has (had, since he re-signed with WWE and won't be doing any real fights) rudimentary striking at best and, worse, reacts very badly to getting hit. He covers up and backs up straight. He was a one-trick pony - if he could take down an opponent, get one top, and unleash those 3XL sized gloves, he won. If not, he lost and lost in a humiliating fashion. He'd lose to probably all of the top 10 heavyweights today.

    Lesnar has a lot of useless, in fact counterproductive, show muscles. Athletes with *functional* strength look very different from bodybuilders. Oversized muscles with no functional purposes are just very expensive, heavy oxygen-burners. In fact, back in the late 1990's and early 2000's, Pavel Tsatsouline, a former physical trainer for the Spetsnaz (whose fitness advice I started to follow around that time) would call men doing traditional bench presses "Boob-builders." Tsatsouline had me do kettle bell training and extreme-range strength training (being able to exert strength at the end of a limb's range of motion) and go for what he called "wiry strength." He also advocated coopting multiple muscle groups to create strength output, rather than isolating muscle groups, again for function over form.

    Because much of the American public has been indoctrinated by bodybuilding exercises in the post-war (that's WW II) years, most American men equate that "buff look" with strength and toughness. That's just simply not the case. Today functional strength training is everywhere, but even as recently as the late 1990's and early 2000's, Tsatsouline's ideas (which were not uniquely his, but more widespread outside the U.S.) were a big revelation for American military-law enforcement people and combat athletes who had been raised on bench presses and bicep curls.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  124. Helen Mirren can drive! No discussion about the shape of the actor’s heads and steroids?
    Any idea whether they’ll CGI Mr Walker into future movies?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...


    No discussion about the shape of the actor’s heads and steroids?
     
    A lot of baldness in the movie: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Dwayne Johnson.....
  125. @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    If T-level isn’t highly correlated with age, I would be very surprised.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/pew-report-young-latinos_n_1293532.html
     
    Sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that young Mestizos have less testosterone than young Anglo Europeans.Fat is feminizing (lowers testosterone levels) and the Mestizos in CA that I know are a fat and flabby lot.Seriously, phys ed in High School was a masterclass in HBD. The physically fit guys were all Anglo Europeans and Blacks. The Mestizos were a sea of gut fat and manboobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    syon,

    Ts have been rising among the young across the board, no doubt. The chicks have been demanding it in no uncertain terms.

    Just saying the negative-T Pence/Romney Anglo glut 40-60 isn’t much for checking out the FnF movies, while our more macho Mexican compadres clustered in the 15-25 range are more likely to be into that sort of thing, even if their look is more along the Lucha Libre line.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Desiderius


    syon,

    Ts have been rising among the young across the board, no doubt. The chicks have been demanding it in no uncertain terms.
     
    How so? As I noted above, fat lowers testosterone. So does diabetes. And Mestizos have plenty of both. In High School, we used to watch the Mexicans down a liter of pepsi (not the diet, sugar free kind) with their carbohydrate heavy lunches. They were fat and slow.

    Just saying the negative-T Pence/Romney Anglo glut 40-60 isn’t much for checking out the FnF movies, while our more macho Mexican compadres clustered in the 15-25 range are more likely to be into that sort of thing, even if their look is more along the Lucha Libre line.
     
    Watching F & F films has a lot less to do with testosterone and a lot more to with being not very bright.
  126. Proposition 227 has a good claim to being the most successful policy result for a proposition in a generation.

    You can tell because the lefty media doesn’t like to talk about it.

  127. I’ve read two posts on Paul Walker and haven’t seen a mention of Joy Ride. Did I miss it?

    And speaking of Joy Ride, what the heck happened to Steve Zahn? He’s still around, of course, but not as much fun as he used to be.

  128. Went to see this tonight, but all showings were sold out. There were a half dozen Subaru WRX STIs parked next to each other in the parking deck.

    Anyhow, looking forward to seeing this in part so I can read the comments here. I know iSteve readers like to leave spoilers in the comments, so I’ll wait to see it first.

  129. @Anonymous
    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language... and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I'm a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It's incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very "fuzzy" border with Mexico - and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would - listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it's like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress...

    So we watched "Furious 7".
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn't have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don't always know them by name. In fact, I think that I'd only seen the first "Fast and Furious" movie prior to seeing "Furious 7".

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences - as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons - Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I'm a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors' lips aren't in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don't have the same "zing" as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it's borders - probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie "300" was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular - far more popular than any of the non-American movies we've seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The "Fast and Furious" franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that's because I'm an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn't, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching "World War Z". She wasn't annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We've probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching "World War Z" once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt's blue eyes? I'm starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching "World War Z" and asked me as we walked out of the theater. "Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?" She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, "Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?" I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is "Lord of the Rings", which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it's all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn't matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn't exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel... once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. "Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?" she will ask.
    Yet... she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine "family film" with the kids. As I recall, it was "The Inventor of Toys" to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as "Hugo", but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn't find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn't wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner... at Pizza Hut in Miraflores - Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John's Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye's which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone - a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn't speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I'm proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it's such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever dated or been married to (but I'm not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don't let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people - truly highly intelligent people - don't have to call people of other ethnicities "morons" just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I've been to European cities where virtually everyone is white - and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress...

    Can't wait 'til "Fast 8" comes out.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob, @SFG, @Father O'Hara, @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    Excellent first post. This website needs a thumbs-up button.

    • Replies: @Kudzu Bob
    @Anon

    Wrong on both counts.

  130. @Desiderius
    @syonredux

    syon,

    Ts have been rising among the young across the board, no doubt. The chicks have been demanding it in no uncertain terms.

    Just saying the negative-T Pence/Romney Anglo glut 40-60 isn't much for checking out the FnF movies, while our more macho Mexican compadres clustered in the 15-25 range are more likely to be into that sort of thing, even if their look is more along the Lucha Libre line.

    Replies: @syonredux

    syon,

    Ts have been rising among the young across the board, no doubt. The chicks have been demanding it in no uncertain terms.

    How so? As I noted above, fat lowers testosterone. So does diabetes. And Mestizos have plenty of both. In High School, we used to watch the Mexicans down a liter of pepsi (not the diet, sugar free kind) with their carbohydrate heavy lunches. They were fat and slow.

    Just saying the negative-T Pence/Romney Anglo glut 40-60 isn’t much for checking out the FnF movies, while our more macho Mexican compadres clustered in the 15-25 range are more likely to be into that sort of thing, even if their look is more along the Lucha Libre line.

    Watching F & F films has a lot less to do with testosterone and a lot more to with being not very bright.

  131. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    Helen Mirren can drive! No discussion about the shape of the actor's heads and steroids?
    Any idea whether they'll CGI Mr Walker into future movies?

    Replies: @syonredux

    No discussion about the shape of the actor’s heads and steroids?

    A lot of baldness in the movie: Vin Diesel, Jason Statham, Dwayne Johnson…..

  132. @dearieme
    @syonredux

    "Trust me, dear fellow, you will notice ...": not me personally, old fruit. I'll have turned up my toes. But it will indeed be interesting.

    Will their selective immigration policy increase Canadian IQ? Still, you outnumber Canucks by such a huge ratio that I don't suppose it'll matter.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Brutusale

    In a nation where a measurable number of births are to Pakistani blood relatives, you’ll have your own problems serious enough to temper your schadenfreude.

  133. @Joseph Moroco
    A Massachusetts pol who got to meet FDR reported to my grandpa that the president said he never aimed a speech above the level of a 13 year old.

    Plus ça change.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    An early 80s journalism school text noted that the average American daily paper aimed it’s writing at a 9th grade level.

    I imagine it’s aimed at about the 6th grade now.

  134. Dwayne is obviously juicing. It’s plausible that Vin is not. Walker, maybe, not not for bulk.

  135. @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Excellent first post. This website needs a thumbs-up button.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob

    Wrong on both counts.

  136. In behind the scenes interviews, Vin appears to be highly effeminate.

    Actors may have beach muscles, but appear to be wussies in general. I saw the “makings of ‘Conan the Barbarian’” once and in one outtake Arnold fell and hurt himself (slightly, I think) and I could hear a very high pitched “ahhhhhhhhhhh!” followed by very effeminate “Dat huuuurt!” in a German accent. He sounded like a little girl who fell off her bike.

    Didn’t some actor get in trouble recently for saying something like “scratch an actor and you will find an actress”?

  137. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who's relatively flabby compared to the other fighters. He became UFC heavyweight champion 5 years ago by defeating the less flabby and more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar in a TKO:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxTghsSWnMc

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who’s relatively flabby compared to the other fighters.

    “Brown Pride” may look flabby, but he has an incredible, phenomenal cardio, probably the best among MMA heavyweights ever. In fact, many fight analysts consider his extremely high pace to be his most potent weapon.

    His flabby look is probably from a relatively poor diet. Since he is a small heavyweight (240 lb.), with the proper fighter diet, he can probably fight at light heavyweight too if he really wanted to do so.

    more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar

    Lesnar only became a champion because he beat an aging Randy Couture (whose natural fighting weight was at light heavyweight). It’s pretty clear that Lesnar has (had, since he re-signed with WWE and won’t be doing any real fights) rudimentary striking at best and, worse, reacts very badly to getting hit. He covers up and backs up straight. He was a one-trick pony – if he could take down an opponent, get one top, and unleash those 3XL sized gloves, he won. If not, he lost and lost in a humiliating fashion. He’d lose to probably all of the top 10 heavyweights today.

    Lesnar has a lot of useless, in fact counterproductive, show muscles. Athletes with *functional* strength look very different from bodybuilders. Oversized muscles with no functional purposes are just very expensive, heavy oxygen-burners. In fact, back in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, Pavel Tsatsouline, a former physical trainer for the Spetsnaz (whose fitness advice I started to follow around that time) would call men doing traditional bench presses “Boob-builders.” Tsatsouline had me do kettle bell training and extreme-range strength training (being able to exert strength at the end of a limb’s range of motion) and go for what he called “wiry strength.” He also advocated coopting multiple muscle groups to create strength output, rather than isolating muscle groups, again for function over form.

    Because much of the American public has been indoctrinated by bodybuilding exercises in the post-war (that’s WW II) years, most American men equate that “buff look” with strength and toughness. That’s just simply not the case. Today functional strength training is everywhere, but even as recently as the late 1990’s and early 2000’s, Tsatsouline’s ideas (which were not uniquely his, but more widespread outside the U.S.) were a big revelation for American military-law enforcement people and combat athletes who had been raised on bench presses and bicep curls.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    The bench press is compound barbell lift, not an isolation exercise. But Starting Strength alternates it with the standing overhead shoulder press. The two complement each other: you can handle more weight on the bench, but press works everything under the bar, including the core muscles needed to keep your trunk rigid under the load.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  138. @Greenstalk

    The Fast & Furious films are probably the lowest brow of all the blockbuster series
     
    That seems unduly harsh. They're not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters. (Which themselves are becoming showcases for "diversity")

    The F&F movies are refreshingly free of the virulent anti-white bigotry which is seemingly a requirement in more "high brow" entertainment. See "Twelve Years A Slave" for example.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    I just saw Furious 7 tonight (I went Saturday and it was sold out).

    Agreed about the super hero movies, which I don’t like. Without spoiling anything, Furious 7 borrowed a common plot element from them.

    Otherwise, it was entertaining, though I think the series peaked with Fast 5, which was bookended by two of the best action sequences in any of the movies.

    In general, I think the F&F movies work best when gun play is used in modest amounts, like a spice.

  139. @syonredux
    @Greenstalk


    That seems unduly harsh. They’re not any more low-brow than the comic-book blockbusters.
     
    I don't know.Captain America: The Winter Soldier voiced some concerns (in comic book form) about Obama's preference for the assassination solution.And Nolan's Dark Knight Rises offered an interesting spin on Dickens' Tale of Two Cities.

    The Furious films seem pretty empty headed in comparison.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Meh. The Winter Soldier ascribed the assassination stuff to a fictional organization headed by an old WASP. The movie was sort of a sin-eater for Uncle Sam, who Captain America and friends continue to work for.

    Also, the movie was boring because neither the heroes nor the villains are allowed to die. How many times will Captain America and Bucky pointlessly fight again in future movies?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Meh. The Winter Soldier ascribed the assassination stuff to a fictional organization headed by an old WASP.
     
    Hollywood would never allow someone actually resembling Obama in the part.On the other hand, I enjoyed Redford in the role.Casting him was a nice callback to Three Days of The Condor, only now Redford is playing Cliff Robertson's role.

    Also, the movie was boring because neither the heroes nor the villains are allowed to die.
     
    Actually, Redford's character, the film's main villain died...
  140. @Anonymous
    Just a few words about American movies, Latin America, the English language... and culture.

    My Peruvian wife, our two sons and I went to see Furious 7 in Miraflores (Lima) Peru when it opened. Now I just happen to be a blue-eyed American from Texas with light brown hair. Culturally, I'm a 100 % red, white and blue former US Marine who has been traveling throughout Latin America for thirty years. It's incredible just how popular American movies are south of our very "fuzzy" border with Mexico - and all over South America.

    I happen to speak fluent Spanish (something I never studied in the classroom, but learned as an adult the same way a child would - listen and repeat, listen and repeat). Despite the fact that my wife speaks very little English herself, it's like an aphrodisiac to her when I speak English. She says that English sounds more masculine to her than Spanish and South American women still appreciate masculinity in a man. (Just food for thought for the guys: Be masculine. Be a gentleman. Be confident and learn foreign languages, if you want to find I wife who is feminine, loving, very much a lady, and appreciates authentic masculine men)

    But I digress...

    So we watched "Furious 7".
    My wife and our thirteen year old have been big fans of Paul Walker long before I even had any idea who he was. (in the case of my wife, could it be his blue eyes?) When, they mentioned to me that he had died, I could only think Scott Walker or was it Paul Ryan? I really didn't have any idea who Paul Walker was by name. I know actors when I see them in movies, but don't always know them by name. In fact, I think that I'd only seen the first "Fast and Furious" movie prior to seeing "Furious 7".

    The Lima theaters were packed (they are always packed) and the audience was enthralled with the movie. Latin audiences seem to engage more with the movie than most US audiences - as if it where a real event transpiring before there eyes. They laugh, cheer, talk and applaud as if at a sporting event.

    My wife loved the movie, as did our sons - Frankly they enjoyed it far more than I did. (I confess that I'm a little jaded), although our thirteen-year-old son gets annoyed watching American movies dubbed in Spanish because the actors' lips aren't in sync with the Spanish. I think that the Spanish translations often fall a little flat in my opinion, because English is a far richer language, with a much larger vocabulary. Spanish translations of American one-liners just don't have the same "zing" as they do in English, but sometimes they do. The Shrek movies are good examples of movies that were as funny in Spanish as in English.

    However everyone in the theater enjoyed the movie. The USA is still a mystical place for many people living outside it's borders - probably in large part because of the movies. And they love American movies.

    I remember sitting in a bar in Salamanca, Spain several years ago listening to a group of Spaniards talking about how great the movie "300" was. Although the setting was ancient Greece, they quickly established that it was an American movie and raved about how Americans make the best movies in the world.

    My wife and I have gone to dozens of movies together in Lima and I have observed that American movies are always the most popular - far more popular than any of the non-American movies we've seen together. Super hero movies and action movies are cash-cows throughout all of Latin America.

    The "Fast and Furious" franchise could go on and on for years to come, making a ton of money, even if they only had a Latin American audience. And the aging stars will still be as popular years from now as they were ten years ago. My Peruvian Brother-in-Law and his daughter keep asking me if I know when the next Rocky movie with Sylvester Stallone is due to come out. I guess that's because I'm an American, I should have the answer to such questions. I didn't, so I googled it.

    My beautiful, very proud-to-be-Peruvian wife seemed annoyed after watching "World War Z". She wasn't annoyed with the movie, which she loved. We've probably watched it many more times since then on Netflix, which we can watch in Lima with my US Netlix account. For me, watching "World War Z" once would have been enough). But my wife has watched dozens of times. Could it be that Brad Pitt's blue eyes? I'm starting to see a pattern here.

    But she turned to me after watching "World War Z" and asked me as we walked out of the theater. "Why do all movies either take place in the USA or have an all American cast in them?" She seemed annoyed that movies always seem to center around Americans. The question seemed to be, "Why Americans? Why not Peruvians?" I pointed out to her that some movies she might consider to be American movies are in fact British, a distinction many Latin Americans are only vaguely aware of because of our common English language and Hollywood production values. As an example, I pointed out to her that one of her favorite series of movies is "Lord of the Rings", which was filmed in New Zealand by a director from New Zealand with actors from Great Britain, the USA and other countries. But she recognizes that it's all part of the broader Anglosphere of which the USA is the principle partner. A movie could be filmed in Canada with an Australian director and British actors and it wouldn't matter. It would still be an American movie to her.

    I also pointed out to her that not all movies feature Americans doing heroic things, careful not to say that only the most entertaining ones do. I told her that movies made by Peruvian producers generally feature Peruvian actors, take place in Peru and have Peruvian themes unique to Peruvians. In fact, there have been some very good Peruvian movies made in recent years. And that the same could be said for Mexican movies and French movies and Indian movies, etc.

    The point of her question seemed to really be why do Americans seem to dominate in everything? Not just movies, but technology, military might, business and nearly all other things. Americans seem to dominate everything. At least for now.

    For instance, Peruvian food is unique and is gathering a greater affinity with dinners all over the world, but most Americans are completely unaware of authentic Peruvian cuisine that is garnering praise around the world. Mexican food is practically loved by everyone and wouldn't exist if not for mestizo and Amerindian Mexicans, yet people who do not particularly like Mexicans devour it.

    While she seems to be very proud to have an American husband, my wife is very proud of her Peruvian heritage. Understandable. And she has a point. The next world wide blockbuster movie that takes place in the Peruvian Amazon Basin or the Peruvian costal desert or the Peruvian Andes will probably not be a Peruvian film featuring an entire cast of Peruvians. It will probably be an American production with a cast of Americans and a few minor roles played by English speaking Peruvians. The plot will probably center around Americans from an American university or corporation aboard an airplane crashing into the wilderness and their subsequent survival. Or the premise of the next major blockbuster that actually takes place in Peru will involve the CIA trying to bring down some fictitious drug cartel... once again with Americans speaking English and a few Peruvian bad guys.

    And she will have to watch another entertaining action-packed Hollywood production filmed in her native country dubbed into Spanish so that her Peruvian compatriots can understand it.
    And it will irritate her. "Why can there be no blockbuster hits produced by Peruvians, featuring Peruvian actors, filmed in Peru in Spanish and still reach world wide audience and earn hundreds of millions of dollars?" she will ask.
    Yet... she will enjoy it, probably again and again on Netflix.

    I left it up to her to conclude for herself that all the movies she finds most entertaining just happen to be American movies produced in the US. They are just simply better productions.

    About a year ago, we went to see an Argentine "family film" with the kids. As I recall, it was "The Inventor of Toys" to translate the name to English. It was in the same vain as "Hugo", but Argentine. The director and producers tried to live up to American production values, but the film fell flat. I was somewhat bored, but I reserved my comments, because my wife and our thirteen-year-old had selected which film we would watch that evening and I wanted her to feel proud of a South American film. And I didn't find the movie to be too awfully tedious. But after leaving the theater, my wife and our oldest son both commented that the film had been a little boring and they couldn't wait for it to end. Our four year old had fallen asleep by then. I just said that the movie had been okay and made no further comment.

    So we went to have dinner... at Pizza Hut in Miraflores - Lima, Peru, which is next to Burger King down the street from KFC, but across Kennedy Park from McDonalds. I prefer to go to one of the new Papa John's Pizza places in Lima, but she prefers Pizza hut. And she prefers KFC chicken, but I would rather go to Popeye's which is not far from the new Apple iStore in Miraflores. Just another day in South America with a beautiful woman who happens to be my wife.

    I will just add another food for thought for the guys reading this. I remember the first time I watched a movie in Latin America. Years ago. My best friend and I were on a railroad adventure in Chihuahua, Mexico. We decided to catch a movie one afternoon because it was rather hot outside. So we watched "Cobra" with Sylvester Stallone - a staple in the Mexican cinema diet.
    The place was very dark. It was the darkest movie theater I recall being in. At intermission, the lights came on. The place was packed. Not an empty seat to be seen. My friend and I started speaking to each other in English. Two pretty young ladies started giggling upon hearing us speaking English, a language they may had only rarely heard spoken live before. They turned around and smiled at us. Turns out that they couldn't speak but a few words of English. We asked their names. We went to have refreshments with them after Stallone was done with the killing. That is the moment when I began my journey to Spanish fluency. It has enriched my life. Never been without a date since. But I like people of all cultures and ethnicities if they are good people.

    Now some people will always be racists, while others will learn to enjoy and appreciate the rich world we live in. I live between two worlds now, Texas and Peru, and have travelled to dozens of countries all over the world. I'm proud to be an American of English, Irish and German decent, but it's such a huge and fascinating world with billions of fascinating people. My wife of mixed European and Inca blood is one of the most beautiful and intelligent women I've ever dated or been married to (but I'm not here to bad-mouth my ex-wives). Don't let your prejudices and preconceptions stop you from enjoying other cultures, cuisines, languages and people. The really smart people - truly highly intelligent people - don't have to call people of other ethnicities "morons" just to feel better about themselves. The only thing a really smart person has to do is perform, produce, be competent at many things and he will tower above others without resort to belittling others based on racism. I've been to European cities where virtually everyone is white - and guess what? There are white people scrubbing the hotel toilets.
    Point is that not every white person is a genius, least of all the person who is quick to call people of other ethnicities a moron. It always amazes me how the most racists white people are often the dumbest, a fact I quickly learned while in the Marines.

    By the way, the American Icon of cinema, John Wayne (who I admired and liked), was married to three different Latin American women; Panamanian, Mexicana, and Peruana. To my knowledge, he never referred to Latin Americans as morons. But I digress...

    Can't wait 'til "Fast 8" comes out.

    Replies: @Kudzu Bob, @SFG, @Father O'Hara, @Anon, @Dave Pinsen

    Well said.

  141. @jimbojones
    @franktremb

    Yep, Grease and Point Blank have extremely memorable scenes on the LA "river."

    Another super-recognizable landmark is the Santa Monica pier. AFAIR it was featured prominently in Falling Down with Michael Douglas.

    The tunnel Steve mentions is quite recognizable, but man, it's such a dump. Downtown LA sucks pretty hard in general... Though I hear it has become more popular / better recently.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Also the remake of The Italian Job.

  142. @Johanus de Morgateroyde
    Very curious to see all the Kung Fu in the movie, which I take was a sop to the Chinese market.

    Also, I think they brought the CIA into the movie to explain where all the money came from. They needed a mechanism to explain how the stars are able to globe hop like they have Military Moxie. The basic building block of the F&F series is that their audience fantasizes that if they had that kind of money and those kinds of friends, they'd be doing exactly what the F&F crew is doing.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The members of the crew each cleared ~$10 million from a job in Fast 5.

  143. @JohnnyWalker123
    Good point. Though the first two movies had non-Asian directors, but lots of Asian characters. This is one of the few franchises that includes quite a few Asian male characters and shows Asian men in masculine roles.

    Yeah, the lack of Mexican-origin characters is definitely startling. You'd think that with all the Mexican-Americans into car culture in southern California, they'd find a few Mexican actors. I think one issue is that Conquistador-Americans (especially Cubans) are often better looking than Mexicans, while the Puerto Ricans and Dominicans tend to be more masculine and sexy. So those ethnicities (and Italians) are favored for Latino roles, while Mexicans don't really have much of a niche. The lack of Mexican characters hasn't hurt the movie with Mexican-American audiences.

    Lots of the characters (Vin Diesel, the Rock, Michelle Rodriguez, Brewster, etc.) are very ethnically ambiguous looking. I don't think that's an accident.

    The other group without much of a niche are Indians and Middle Easterners. I forgot that there a couple Middle Eastern origin guys who've had minor roles in the franchise. Mo Gallini and Eric Etebari both showed up for small roles in 2 Fast 2 Furious. Also, Ali Fazal is Indian, but he plays a Arab origin guy in his Furious 7 cameo.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    FF1 actually start4d out as mostly ostensibly white crew (with the exception of Michelle Rodriguez), with a rival Asian gang. Jordana Brewster was cast as Vin Diesel’s sister for plausibility purposes.

  144. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    The lack of Mexican characters is pretty interesting: Even in 2015, “diversity” basically means quotas for blacks, with some Conquistador-Americans thrown in, while the 35 or so million Mexicans in the country remain largely invisible.
     
    Yeah, the "Hispanic" element in the films is largely non-Mexican:

    Jordana Brewster, the half-Brazilian* granddaughter of Kingman Brewster**(a man who was so elite that he turned down membership in Skull and Bones) counts as Hispanic for marketing purposes (Who cares if Brazilians aren't technically Hispanic?)

    Eva Mendes: F&F 2, Cuban

    Michelle Rodriguez***: Half Dominican, half Puerto Rican


    Mexicans are just really boring





    *White Brazilian.Here's a photo of Jordana with her ex-model mom:http://www.contactmusic.com/jordana-brewster/pictures/c0145942/jordana_brewster_5303725

    **

    Brewster was born in Longmeadow, Massachusetts,[1] the son of Florence Foster (née Besse), a 1907 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Wellesley College,[2][3] and Kingman Brewster, Sr., a 1906 Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Amherst College and a 1911 graduate of the Harvard Law School.[4][5][6] He was a direct lineal descendant of Elder William Brewster (c. 1567 - April 10, 1644), the Mayflower passenger, Pilgrim colonist leader, and spiritual elder of the Plymouth Colony, through his son Jonathan Brewster; he was also descended from Mayflower passenger John Howland.[7] He was a grandson of Charles Kingman Brewster[4][5] and Celina Sophia Baldwin, and Lyman Waterman Besse and Henrietta Louisa Segee. His maternal grandfather, Lyman W. Besse, owned an extensive chain of clothing stores in the Northeast known as "The Besse System."[5][8]

    After graduating from Belmont Hill School[18] in Belmont, Massachusetts, Brewster entered Yale University,[19] graduating in 1941 where he was chairman of the Yale Daily News. His junior year, he turned down an offer of membership in Skull and Bones becoming a legend in Yale undergraduate lore.
     
    *** Her DNA results:

    A DNA test of Rodriguez, performed by the television program Finding Your Roots, found that her ancestry is 72.4% European, 21.3% African, and 6.3% Native American.[16]
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    It’s nice that F&F has made Michelle Rodriguez-versus-female MMA fighters a recurring theme in the movies now. Kind of striking how robust those MMA gals look next to her. You see them in a ring and you don’t realize it, but next to an actress they look like they could snap her in half.

    Rodriguez and Vin Diesel have less chemistry than any movie couple in recent memory. It’s just hard to think of her as anything but a tomboyish lesbian.

  145. @anonymous
    @Earl Lemongrab

    Take all that national IQ stuff with a bag of salt. If Croats have a mean IQ of 90 and Lebanese 82 then the American one must be 80. When one actually interacts with some of these groups they see that there's a variety of people within them and that things are not so simple.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Chances are, some of the smartest Croats and Lebanese are here, rather than in Croatia or Lebanon, so that’s a factor too.

  146. @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    The current UFC heavyweight champion and #1 heavyweight in the world is a mestizo Mexican named Cain Velasquez who’s relatively flabby compared to the other fighters.
     
    "Brown Pride" may look flabby, but he has an incredible, phenomenal cardio, probably the best among MMA heavyweights ever. In fact, many fight analysts consider his extremely high pace to be his most potent weapon.

    His flabby look is probably from a relatively poor diet. Since he is a small heavyweight (240 lb.), with the proper fighter diet, he can probably fight at light heavyweight too if he really wanted to do so.

    more muscular and larger Brock Lesnar
     
    Lesnar only became a champion because he beat an aging Randy Couture (whose natural fighting weight was at light heavyweight). It's pretty clear that Lesnar has (had, since he re-signed with WWE and won't be doing any real fights) rudimentary striking at best and, worse, reacts very badly to getting hit. He covers up and backs up straight. He was a one-trick pony - if he could take down an opponent, get one top, and unleash those 3XL sized gloves, he won. If not, he lost and lost in a humiliating fashion. He'd lose to probably all of the top 10 heavyweights today.

    Lesnar has a lot of useless, in fact counterproductive, show muscles. Athletes with *functional* strength look very different from bodybuilders. Oversized muscles with no functional purposes are just very expensive, heavy oxygen-burners. In fact, back in the late 1990's and early 2000's, Pavel Tsatsouline, a former physical trainer for the Spetsnaz (whose fitness advice I started to follow around that time) would call men doing traditional bench presses "Boob-builders." Tsatsouline had me do kettle bell training and extreme-range strength training (being able to exert strength at the end of a limb's range of motion) and go for what he called "wiry strength." He also advocated coopting multiple muscle groups to create strength output, rather than isolating muscle groups, again for function over form.

    Because much of the American public has been indoctrinated by bodybuilding exercises in the post-war (that's WW II) years, most American men equate that "buff look" with strength and toughness. That's just simply not the case. Today functional strength training is everywhere, but even as recently as the late 1990's and early 2000's, Tsatsouline's ideas (which were not uniquely his, but more widespread outside the U.S.) were a big revelation for American military-law enforcement people and combat athletes who had been raised on bench presses and bicep curls.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The bench press is compound barbell lift, not an isolation exercise. But Starting Strength alternates it with the standing overhead shoulder press. The two complement each other: you can handle more weight on the bench, but press works everything under the bar, including the core muscles needed to keep your trunk rigid under the load.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dave Pinsen


    The bench press is compound barbell lift, not an isolation exercise.
     
    Technically you are correct, but it is still functionally very limited, reduced range strength exercise that has less relevance for combat sports and activities.

    Pavel had me get rid of the bench press completely and replace it with one-armed, standing military press with barbells. It's especially fun (and functional) with extra-long bars. It's really great in recruiting all the stabilization muscles. High weight, low rep.

    In general, Pavel emphasized hip strength a lot more than upper body strength (lots of deadlifts with shins perpendicular to the ground)... which is good for everything from punching and kicking to grappling (throws, hip escaping, putting body weight on opponents, etc.) to climbing walls and ropes.

    I will say, however, that as I have aged, I have dramatically reduced the amount of weight lifting I do in my training. I do a lot more Ashtanga Yoga and Ginastical Natural now, in conjunction with my martial arts training.

  147. A.O. Scott of the NYT gave Furious 7 a decent review: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/movies/review-in-furious-7-a-franchise-continues-to-roar.html?&_r=0

    Here he touches on its multicultural aspect:

    Occasional ogling aside, “Furious 7” extends its predecessors’ inclusive, stereotype-resistant ethic. Compared to almost any other large-scale, big-studio enterprise, the “Furious” brand practices a slick, no-big-deal multiculturalism, and nods to both feminism and domestic traditionalism. “I don’t have friends. I have family,” Dom says, and there is something beautiful and downright utopian about the idea that the bonds among his gear heads and speed demons transcend race and nationality. Gasoline is thicker than blood.

    And from a commenter there:

    The ethnic diversity of the movie goes hand in hand with its lowbrow popular appeal, and it’s nice that Mr. Scott recognizes this

  148. @Dave Pinsen
    @Twinkie

    The bench press is compound barbell lift, not an isolation exercise. But Starting Strength alternates it with the standing overhead shoulder press. The two complement each other: you can handle more weight on the bench, but press works everything under the bar, including the core muscles needed to keep your trunk rigid under the load.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The bench press is compound barbell lift, not an isolation exercise.

    Technically you are correct, but it is still functionally very limited, reduced range strength exercise that has less relevance for combat sports and activities.

    Pavel had me get rid of the bench press completely and replace it with one-armed, standing military press with barbells. It’s especially fun (and functional) with extra-long bars. It’s really great in recruiting all the stabilization muscles. High weight, low rep.

    In general, Pavel emphasized hip strength a lot more than upper body strength (lots of deadlifts with shins perpendicular to the ground)… which is good for everything from punching and kicking to grappling (throws, hip escaping, putting body weight on opponents, etc.) to climbing walls and ropes.

    I will say, however, that as I have aged, I have dramatically reduced the amount of weight lifting I do in my training. I do a lot more Ashtanga Yoga and Ginastical Natural now, in conjunction with my martial arts training.

  149. @Anonymous
    @Richard Lynn Fan Club

    I don't understand what you're saying. It seems that what you're saying is that a lot of Lynn's data should be disregarded.

    Replies: @Richard Lynn Fan Club

    HDBchick’s discussion on the matter

    Has many references to where he got his data from.

    Men are more brainy than women Richard Lynn

    His Lawrence Summers moment.

  150. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    [IQ scores below 94 in Ireland, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia]

    Gypsies pull down the averages for Romania and Bulgaria, maybe Greece. Don't know about Croatia. I have no idea why Ireland is that low. There aren't enough Travellers to have a major effect on IQ. Could the widespread malnutrition of the Potato Famine still be depressing scores after seven or eight generations?


    [New York extreme outlier in number of black Hispanics]

    Dominicans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @jimbojones, @Father O'Hara, @JohnnyWalker123, @Richard Lynn Fan Club, @Anonymous

    Lynn has revised his estimates several times now. According to his newest book, Intelligence: A unifying construct for the social sciences(2012), supposedly Croatia has an average IQ of 97.8, Ireland 94.9 and Slovenia 97.6. Lebanon is at 84.6, about on par with Oman, and higher than Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Yemen, but lower than Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Iran or Iraq. IIRC, there was some discussion between Unz and Lynn about some of the numbers in the latest book and what they might mean for Mexican Americans. Lynn gets quoted a lot, but people should be aware that many of his estimates jump around a lot from book to book. Makes it all seem pretty suspect.

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Vanhanen_2012_INTELLIGENCE_-_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences.pdf

    en.metapedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Anonymous

    Well, since I personally haven't seen the FF7 (or any of the other FFs), I can't comment on them, but I can provide some insight on the disputed IQ estimates of Prof. Lynn, the Grand-Master of IQists.

    Just as mentioned, when I published my major Race/IQ paper a couple of years ago, Lynn responded with a spirited rebuttal, as did his close academic colleague Prof. Nyborg.

    Here's a link to my own rejoinder, which also provides links to the Lynn and Nyborg pieces, and if anyone's interested, they can read the material and decide for themselves how seriously to take Lynn's numbers:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/

  151. @Anonymous
    @prosa123

    Lynn has revised his estimates several times now. According to his newest book, Intelligence: A unifying construct for the social sciences(2012), supposedly Croatia has an average IQ of 97.8, Ireland 94.9 and Slovenia 97.6. Lebanon is at 84.6, about on par with Oman, and higher than Egypt, Morocco, Syria and Yemen, but lower than Libya, Tunisia, Bahrain, Iran or Iraq. IIRC, there was some discussion between Unz and Lynn about some of the numbers in the latest book and what they might mean for Mexican Americans. Lynn gets quoted a lot, but people should be aware that many of his estimates jump around a lot from book to book. Makes it all seem pretty suspect.

    www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Vanhanen_2012_INTELLIGENCE_-_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences.pdf

    en.metapedia.org/wiki/Intelligence:_A_Unifying_Construct_for_the_Social_Sciences

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Well, since I personally haven’t seen the FF7 (or any of the other FFs), I can’t comment on them, but I can provide some insight on the disputed IQ estimates of Prof. Lynn, the Grand-Master of IQists.

    Just as mentioned, when I published my major Race/IQ paper a couple of years ago, Lynn responded with a spirited rebuttal, as did his close academic colleague Prof. Nyborg.

    Here’s a link to my own rejoinder, which also provides links to the Lynn and Nyborg pieces, and if anyone’s interested, they can read the material and decide for themselves how seriously to take Lynn’s numbers:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/

  152. @Dave Pinsen
    @syonredux

    Meh. The Winter Soldier ascribed the assassination stuff to a fictional organization headed by an old WASP. The movie was sort of a sin-eater for Uncle Sam, who Captain America and friends continue to work for.

    Also, the movie was boring because neither the heroes nor the villains are allowed to die. How many times will Captain America and Bucky pointlessly fight again in future movies?

    Replies: @syonredux

    Meh. The Winter Soldier ascribed the assassination stuff to a fictional organization headed by an old WASP.

    Hollywood would never allow someone actually resembling Obama in the part.On the other hand, I enjoyed Redford in the role.Casting him was a nice callback to Three Days of The Condor, only now Redford is playing Cliff Robertson’s role.

    Also, the movie was boring because neither the heroes nor the villains are allowed to die.

    Actually, Redford’s character, the film’s main villain died…

  153. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Anonymous

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can't make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don't chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn't spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anon

    Sure. The point is that the current Mexican immigration basically selects for the least adept Mexicans, because those are the ones that can’t make it in Mexico. Successful Mexicans in nice houses in Mexico City don’t chuck it all to come to a country where their first language isn’t spoken and people confuse them with their maid.

    That would make it no different from previous waves of immigrants, who then went on to build the biggest economic power in the world. Mexico is an oligarchy, and a disorganized one at that, based on the sky-high crime rates. The odds are good that it hasn’t come close to utilizing its human potential, because in Mexico, getting ahead may depend mostly on who you know, not what you know, as opposed to the reverse, stateside.

    The real issue isn’t that we’re getting the people who have been squeezed out by Mexico’s inbred and corrupt system like their European predecessors before them. It’s that research supposedly indicates that, on average, second-generation Hispanics in this country are doing worse than their elders, which is the reverse of what happened with immigrants from other lands.

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