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The biggest study of effects of nature & nurture in health to date finds that cognitive conditions are the likeliest to have genetic influences 4/5) and the least likely to have shared environmental influence (2/5). (https://t.co/sE1zs3mCBp via @Harvard
— Steven Pinker (@sapinker) January 16, 2019
Shut it down.
https://youtu.be/Vb3IMTJjzfoReplies: @Mr McKenna
So is cognitive conditions the latest euphemism for intelligence? Maybe the commenters here can have a competition to find the best evasive term and Nassim Taleb can agree to act as a judge and select the winner.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-018-0313-7
Type that into Sci hub if you want to read the whole thing.
I don’t know why Steve always quite modestly says that his default assumption is that things are half genetic half environmental. This paper suggests a better default assumption is 75:25. As a genetic determinist this confirms my biases and pleases me.
Because compared to many of us in his commentariat, Steve Sailer is a PC Cuck.
Let that thought sink in. I’ve said it so many times I feel like I have Tourette’s, but we live in a bizarro universe where everything is it’s exact opposite. Faggot trannies are saints, hardworking dads supporting their families are evil patriarchal oppressors. Up is down. Jews have no agency. Whites are victims. Negroes are saints.
Sailer is like Unz and looking for some compromise between sanity and insanity. Sorry Steve, it just won’t work. Hedge away, but Nature doesn’t give a hoot and she never loses. Until we purge the crazy it’s just turtles all the way down.Replies: @Svigor, @Mr McKenna
https://scinapse.io/search?query=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.nature.com%252Farticles%252Fs41588-018-0313-7&sort=RELEVANCE&filter=year%3D%3A%2Cif%3D%3A%2Cfos%3D%2Cjournal%3D&page=1
Can you tell what I'm doing wrong? Is it possible for you to post the scihub link? Sorry for bother.Replies: @415 reasons
Pinker is begging to be pinkballed.
That wouldn't be cricket, would it? Or would it?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9t-tfTbFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLlK1LRj7aI
Steven Pinker has a prolific troll who has spent 100 blog posts connecting him to unsavory people like Steve Sailer.
http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker “real soon now.”
https://postimg.cc/SJkZp8zTReplies: @Anon
I can't wait for the Iraqi people to build their modern, democratic society and prove this reprellant racist wrong.
Many of Pinker's fans are offended that someone points out his direct effort to promote the career of Sailer via "The Best Science and Nature Writing" of 2004, among other things, but surely you Unz people aren't offended - presumably you are proud of the connection between Pinker and the alt-right.
I plan to interview many scientists for the podcast, I hope to start with anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson. I'll probably set up a Patreon account, like Quillette did.
Thanks for the publicity.Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @bomag
Duke - Taylor - Sailer - Pinker - All Harvard Alum - Obama - Bill Ayers - Marx - Mao.
Not many degrees of separation from Duke to Mao.
And this is different from Watson how?
The deep state will concoct a honeypot->#metoo wipeout for him in a microsecond if he gets any traction with the masses. Who knows? Jesus was a Jew. Maybe SP is the Antichrist.
Don’t think so. Cognitive conditions, i.e. like mental illness–schizophrenia, depression, etc. Maybe retardation too, but it’s not a euphemism for intelligence. (And Pinker isn’t a big toady about this stuff.)
The laughable thing about the whole lefty/commie/globohomo blank slatism so focused denying obvious differences in behavior between races and ethnic groups is that our mental process is obviously where selection has been working the hardest the last 10,000 years. Sure there’s a bit of physical stuff, at leasdt some stuff due to changed diet (ex. adult lactose tolerance) and no dbout a good serving of disease resistance. But the biggest selection impact will have been in adapting people to all the new environments thrown up in the wake of the neolithic revolution–agriculture, villages, towns, markets, skilled trades, hierarchy, taxes, civilization, formalized religion, bureaucracy, armies, money, writing. Nope, none of that could leave an impact on “who we are”.
-impulse control disorder
-Pervasive Development Disorder
-ADHD
-Other Mental DisorderThis is based on the ICD-9 and -10 disease codes, which is I guess what Aetna (whose data was the basis for the study along with ZIP code data and data from the American Community Survey (ACS)) and all other insurers use. Wikipedia has a list of ICD-9 codes. I think the disorders listed above map to ICD-9 set of disorders diagnosed in childhood (312-316), namely "Disorders of conduct", "Disturbance of emotions", "hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood", "specific delays in development", and "psychic factors associated with diseases classified elsewhere". The study was focused on the young, I believe.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290%E2%80%93319:_mental_disordersI don't quite understand what Pinker means by "cognitive conditions are the likeliest to have genetic influences 4/5) and the least likely to have shared environmental influence (2/5)" (he's taking that from the press release).If you go to the study website I posted above and check the five cognitive disorders, all of them show substantial genetic influence (of course), and in every case genetic influence is greater than environmental influence. In three cases environmental influence is stated to be negative (which I don't understand -- how can a correlation be less than zero?). In the three conditions for which environmental influence is stated to be less than zero (conduct disorders, Pervasive Development Disorders, and ADHD), genetic influence is enormous.I think environmental influence is defined as SES, climate conditions, and air quality (all via ZIP code, so no individual SES) and environmental influence is distinct from "shared environment". I don't understand that either. Guessing, maybe if you determine expected correlations based on heredity and shared environment within a ZIP code, and actual correlations are lower than expected within that ZIP code, that's how "environmental influence" can be less than zero.Hopefully the Nature article will clear up some of these questions.Replies: @Forbes
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
She needs to establish the Sailer-Taki link if she wants anyone to take her serious.
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
100 blog posts? What a slack-ass this Pinker character is! It should only take 6 steps, and that’s if you do it via Kevin Bacon, who may or may not be dead.
Is Amy Harmon aware this study was allowed?!!
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
I think Kevin Bacon should be in that chart somewhere.
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
Conspiracy theories like Awangate are stupid, but just have a look at these writers who read other writers!!!
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
Is this a serious site? From same link:
https://postimg.cc/SJkZp8zT
Stan knows why.
Because compared to many of us in his commentariat, Steve Sailer is a PC Cuck.
Let that thought sink in. I’ve said it so many times I feel like I have Tourette’s, but we live in a bizarro universe where everything is it’s exact opposite. Faggot trannies are saints, hardworking dads supporting their families are evil patriarchal oppressors. Up is down. Jews have no agency. Whites are victims. Negroes are saints.
Sailer is like Unz and looking for some compromise between sanity and insanity. Sorry Steve, it just won’t work. Hedge away, but Nature doesn’t give a hoot and she never loses. Until we purge the crazy it’s just turtles all the way down.
If you deprived one supposed “DNA genius” person of water, food, and sleep for 7 days and gave an average DNA person normal sustenance and sleep for that period, how would each perform? Doesn’t that prove that environment is waaaay more important?
Watch Idiocracy at 32X speed. Or pull an Evelyn Wood on The Rise of the Meritocracy.
Throw that Jew down the well!
Because compared to many of us in his commentariat, Steve Sailer is a PC Cuck.
Let that thought sink in. I’ve said it so many times I feel like I have Tourette’s, but we live in a bizarro universe where everything is it’s exact opposite. Faggot trannies are saints, hardworking dads supporting their families are evil patriarchal oppressors. Up is down. Jews have no agency. Whites are victims. Negroes are saints.
Sailer is like Unz and looking for some compromise between sanity and insanity. Sorry Steve, it just won’t work. Hedge away, but Nature doesn’t give a hoot and she never loses. Until we purge the crazy it’s just turtles all the way down.Replies: @Svigor, @Mr McKenna
This. It’s like I told Yggdrasil, many years ago; Fight Club isn’t just a “Formula for rebellion against de-racinated, flabby, atomized, consumer society cleverly disguised as a psychodrama”; it’s also genuinely a psychodrama, complete with modern White man needing to actually go “insane,” emerge from his chrysalis with an entirely new personality, in order to face the next stage of his evolution.
A rather interesting side-effect of wearing a hi-vis vest in a big city is that you can go anywhere: people just assume you're supposed to be there.Replies: @Stan d Mute
You mean beside the chosenness?
OK, well, how can you be a good parent anyway? To me, morals are very important. Can parents influence their children’s hearts?
I like to think so.
I’ve always suspected intelligence is mostly inborn, like height. Just as I wouldn’t push a short kid into basketball, I wouldn’t push a slow kid into calculus. But I’d expect them to be nice, honest, loving people all the same.
The world would be a better place if more of us behaved in an ethical manner even if we didn’t get smarter. So maybe that’s what we should focus on, since it’s apparently pretty hard to improve a kid’s mental processing speed.
And there’s nothing wrong with your kid if he’s average or below average intelligence. I’ve known plenty of fine people who would score poorly on an IQ test.
“We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls. We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us.”
A rather interesting side-effect of wearing a hi-vis vest in a big city is that you can go anywhere: people just assume you’re supposed to be there.
As iSteve has reminded us, it’s been tried. Malcolm Gladwell tried it and had his ass handed to him. (Igon Values).
No catty c*nt could ever curtail Pinker and his cascading curls, Curt.
If you deprive anyone; genius or not, of all water for 7 days you’ll kill them. So the genius’s score would probably be lower, yes. Seems a bit of a trivial example. For an edifying example of how to deconvolve genetic and environmental effects on outcomes (in this case diseases) read the paper we are discussing. You will find that genetics are about 3 times stronger than shared environment for predicting who will get a disease.
Also if you look at a main excuse for THE GAP, differences in socioeconomic status, it’s about 50 times weaker than shared environment, i.e. 150 times more unimportant than genetics. That is an interesting starting premise when somebody tells you why this or that racial statistics must be interpreted carefully because of socioeconomic status.
So pizza — consistent pizza, plus lots of rest — is going to take me from being a non-math person to a master of stoichiometry? There are historical cases of geniuses roughing it for a few days. After some REM and kibble they go back to being geniuses, because they were geniuses in the first place. The “environment” is noise and the noise doesn’t matter if there is no signal anyway.
Because compared to many of us in his commentariat, Steve Sailer is a PC Cuck.
Let that thought sink in. I’ve said it so many times I feel like I have Tourette’s, but we live in a bizarro universe where everything is it’s exact opposite. Faggot trannies are saints, hardworking dads supporting their families are evil patriarchal oppressors. Up is down. Jews have no agency. Whites are victims. Negroes are saints.
Sailer is like Unz and looking for some compromise between sanity and insanity. Sorry Steve, it just won’t work. Hedge away, but Nature doesn’t give a hoot and she never loses. Until we purge the crazy it’s just turtles all the way down.Replies: @Svigor, @Mr McKenna
Finally, a coherent explanation of why the vast majority of my brilliant posts take 48-72 hours to be published here.
https://youtu.be/Vb3IMTJjzfoReplies: @Mr McKenna
That’s right dear, the Story of America is that Chosen People are being persecuted and held down by White Rednecks, always and everywhere. Now let’s take a powder and have a nice lie-down, there’s a good boychik.
On the way down, sure. The easiest way to close the gap is with mallets. Applied to the foreheads of the smart kids.
Watch Idiocracy at 32X speed. Or pull an Evelyn Wood on The Rise of the Meritocracy.
Is that anything like being teabagged?
That wouldn’t be cricket, would it? Or would it?:
OT: I found this article about sunscreen very interesting for a number of reasons.
https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science
One point is:
There are a lot of implications there between the lines.
Thanks for that.Replies: @wren
You all are making a logic error here.
“Hereditary” doesn’t mean “genetic”. Yes, most traits are hereditary. No, that doesn’t mean that they are caused by DNA differences.
Here’s a facile example: coal mining is highly hereditary, children of coal miners are much more likely to become coal miners themselves compared to the average child. No, that doesn’t mean that there’s some sort of coal mining gene.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child’s cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
And this is just the surface, I haven’t started on the more esoteric issues like telegony. (Yes, telegony is real at least to some degree, despite what the establishment science-journalism complex says.)
/həˈredədē/Submit
noun
1.
the passing on of physical or mental characteristics genetically from one generation to another.
"few scientists dispute that heredity can create a susceptibility to alcoholism"
synonyms: congenital characteristics, congenital traits, genetics, genetic makeup, genes; More
2.
the inheritance of a title, office, or right.
"membership is largely based on heredity"
It seems you are confusing two uses of the same word. And no, women do not store semen as if they were barnyard fowl or pet fish. Unprotected sex in women can result in fertilization from any partner in the past 120 hours (+ or - 24)
There is some mammalian research showing surrogate maternal hormonal influence on embryo development and gene expression that I find quite interesting, but it's not telegony.
No, but DNA differences are the way to bet.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child’s cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
Those aren't hereditary at all.
But the simple distinction between environment (including culture) on the one hand, and the genome on the other hand, has crumbled significantly in the past few years, and many writers and even scientists not in the same field have not caught up to this. Hence, read Plomin.
It's entirely probable that there are genes (not a gene), numbering in the hundreds, that together make it more likely that a male will enter a mining-like job (by status, physical requirements, etc.) available to him in his environment than a non-mining like job, and these genes, as genes tend to be, are passed down, with on average half coming from the father.And here's where it really starts to get weird. The tendancy to somehow avoid getting enough iodine or vitamins during pregnancy may indeed have a polygenic origin. Smoking is heritable based on pre-GWAS twin and adoption studies, so that is old news, but it certainly has a polygenic cause. As for medical errors during delivery? This seems like it would correlate with a lot of things, including socio-economic status. But beyond that, Plomin talks about how the tendancy to be involved in random accidents with no apparent cause or responsibility tracable to the victim is -- wait for it -- heritable. So being on the receiving end of a medical error is indeed heritable.
Deprive anyone of food & water for seven days, and if the lack of water doesn’t kill or severly injure them, the autophagy in the brain cells will likely enhance their cognitive abilities, while the well-nourished might actually see no change or even impaired cognitive abilities. In other words, keeping people fat, dumb & happy is easier than you think.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
https://postimg.cc/SJkZp8zTReplies: @Anon
Funny you should have found that one. The woman has a real bug up her ass about a particular illustrator of children’s books. She insists that she has no talent, and in a later post she posts all the nominees for a children’s book illustration prize and expresses shock at the fact that her hate-target won, because all the others were “so much better.” To me, the woman’s stuff seems nice, and the others are not clearly better.
One thing that the blogger devoted a lengthy post to is a lengthy rant that the illustrator DOES NOT UNDERSTAND PERSPECTIVE, OH MY GOD!!!!! Her evidence is a children’s book on lighthouses, where the illustrator’s lighthouses do no properly recede to vanishing points!!! The blogger has further searched out and reproduces several other children’s books on lighthouses that have better perspective.
As for the prize, she posted a recent conspiracy post that claims she has discovered why the illustrator won: After having investigated the prize-awarding committee’s members, it turns out that the chairman also lives in Brooklyn, as does the illustrator! And what’s more, she lives 1 mile away, nearly next-door neighbors. (The doxxing is getting creepy here.) Mere coincidence? Two people in the publishing industry living in Brooklyn. What are the odds? I looked up the population density for Brooklyn in Wikipedia: over 37,000 per square mile. A quick “two pi r” calculation later I had the number of people who live within a mile of the chairman: a little under 120,000.
https://www.mcclernan.com/2018/02/steven-pinker-art-critic.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @bomag
Pinker just needs to work out, and release his inner Sampson on his critics, preferably with the jawbone of an ass.
I like to think so.
I've always suspected intelligence is mostly inborn, like height. Just as I wouldn't push a short kid into basketball, I wouldn't push a slow kid into calculus. But I'd expect them to be nice, honest, loving people all the same.
The world would be a better place if more of us behaved in an ethical manner even if we didn't get smarter. So maybe that's what we should focus on, since it's apparently pretty hard to improve a kid's mental processing speed.
And there's nothing wrong with your kid if he's average or below average intelligence. I've known plenty of fine people who would score poorly on an IQ test.Replies: @Anonymous
Why suppose that morality, being cognitive, isn’t also mostly inborn?
Fun for you, not fun for Nassim Taleb
Lebanon: what is the average IQ in 2018?
IQ: 82. World ranking: #25. These numbers relative to the average IQ in Lebanon came from a work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.
https://brainstats.com/average-iq-in-lebanon.html
"Hereditary" doesn't mean "genetic". Yes, most traits are hereditary. No, that doesn't mean that they are caused by DNA differences.
Here's a facile example: coal mining is highly hereditary, children of coal miners are much more likely to become coal miners themselves compared to the average child. No, that doesn't mean that there's some sort of coal mining gene.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child's cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
And this is just the surface, I haven't started on the more esoteric issues like telegony. (Yes, telegony is real at least to some degree, despite what the establishment science-journalism complex says.)Replies: @dr kill, @keypusher, @Anon
he·red·i·ty
/həˈredədē/Submit
noun
1.
the passing on of physical or mental characteristics genetically from one generation to another.
“few scientists dispute that heredity can create a susceptibility to alcoholism”
synonyms: congenital characteristics, congenital traits, genetics, genetic makeup, genes; More
2.
the inheritance of a title, office, or right.
“membership is largely based on heredity”
It seems you are confusing two uses of the same word. And no, women do not store semen as if they were barnyard fowl or pet fish. Unprotected sex in women can result in fertilization from any partner in the past 120 hours (+ or – 24)
There is some mammalian research showing surrogate maternal hormonal influence on embryo development and gene expression that I find quite interesting, but it’s not telegony.
So blacks are as ill adapted for life in the higher latitudes as whites are for life in the tropics. That kind of symmetry always makes sense to me.
Thanks for that.
It seems like it wouldn't be too challenging to design a large study with sunlamps and people with darker skin in northern latitudes, though.
So sunlamps for dark skin in northern latitudes would be the sunscreen for lighter skin that doesn't tan in the tropics.
For the good of our African-American citizens, close the border, eliminate Welfare, and let them find jobs, including working the fields and construction. It ain’t slavery when you get a paycheck and you can find a better job and quit.
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
Looks like all roads lead to David Duke. I’ve been wondering how Pinker escaped the inquisition all these years. He seems to be one of the few public figures who can enthusiastically embrace the connection between intelligence and inheritance and have it be portrayed as just one aspect of his personality by the media and moral police. Most others are portrayed as being solely motivated by that one viewpoint.
The laughable thing about the whole lefty/commie/globohomo blank slatism so focused denying obvious differences in behavior between races and ethnic groups is that our mental process is obviously where selection has been working the hardest the last 10,000 years. Sure there's a bit of physical stuff, at leasdt some stuff due to changed diet (ex. adult lactose tolerance) and no dbout a good serving of disease resistance. But the biggest selection impact will have been in adapting people to all the new environments thrown up in the wake of the neolithic revolution--agriculture, villages, towns, markets, skilled trades, hierarchy, taxes, civilization, formalized religion, bureaucracy, armies, money, writing. Nope, none of that could leave an impact on "who we are".Replies: @keypusher
Here’s a link to the website:
http://apps.chiragjpgroup.org/catch/
And thanks to 415 reasons for posting the Nature link.
The cognitive conditions are
-Conduct disorders
-impulse control disorder
-Pervasive Development Disorder
-ADHD
-Other Mental Disorder
This is based on the ICD-9 and -10 disease codes, which is I guess what Aetna (whose data was the basis for the study along with ZIP code data and data from the American Community Survey (ACS)) and all other insurers use.
Wikipedia has a list of ICD-9 codes. I think the disorders listed above map to ICD-9 set of disorders diagnosed in childhood (312-316), namely “Disorders of conduct”, “Disturbance of emotions”, “hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood”, “specific delays in development”, and “psychic factors associated with diseases classified elsewhere”. The study was focused on the young, I believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290%E2%80%93319:_mental_disorders
I don’t quite understand what Pinker means by “cognitive conditions are the likeliest to have genetic influences 4/5) and the least likely to have shared environmental influence (2/5)” (he’s taking that from the press release).
If you go to the study website I posted above and check the five cognitive disorders, all of them show substantial genetic influence (of course), and in every case genetic influence is greater than environmental influence. In three cases environmental influence is stated to be negative (which I don’t understand — how can a correlation be less than zero?). In the three conditions for which environmental influence is stated to be less than zero (conduct disorders, Pervasive Development Disorders, and ADHD), genetic influence is enormous.
I think environmental influence is defined as SES, climate conditions, and air quality (all via ZIP code, so no individual SES) and environmental influence is distinct from “shared environment”. I don’t understand that either. Guessing, maybe if you determine expected correlations based on heredity and shared environment within a ZIP code, and actual correlations are lower than expected within that ZIP code, that’s how “environmental influence” can be less than zero.
Hopefully the Nature article will clear up some of these questions.
"Hereditary" doesn't mean "genetic". Yes, most traits are hereditary. No, that doesn't mean that they are caused by DNA differences.
Here's a facile example: coal mining is highly hereditary, children of coal miners are much more likely to become coal miners themselves compared to the average child. No, that doesn't mean that there's some sort of coal mining gene.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child's cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
And this is just the surface, I haven't started on the more esoteric issues like telegony. (Yes, telegony is real at least to some degree, despite what the establishment science-journalism complex says.)Replies: @dr kill, @keypusher, @Anon
“Hereditary” doesn’t mean “genetic”. Yes, most traits are hereditary. No, that doesn’t mean that they are caused by DNA differences.
No, but DNA differences are the way to bet.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child’s cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
Those aren’t hereditary at all.
That looks right, but when I past the link in scihub I get
https://scinapse.io/search?query=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.nature.com%252Farticles%252Fs41588-018-0313-7&sort=RELEVANCE&filter=year%3D%3A%2Cif%3D%3A%2Cfos%3D%2Cjournal%3D&page=1
Can you tell what I’m doing wrong? Is it possible for you to post the scihub link? Sorry for bother.
http://sci-hub.tw/
Into your browser then copy and paste the whole paper url after the last slash. Or go to sci-hub.tw and paste the url into the boxReplies: @keypusher
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
Give it time, I suspect they’ll bring Pinker down before too long.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
So Steve Sailer claimed that Iraq would never successfully become a modern democracy because inbreeding was depressing its IQ? What a vile monster!
I can’t wait for the Iraqi people to build their modern, democratic society and prove this reprellant racist wrong.
A rather interesting side-effect of wearing a hi-vis vest in a big city is that you can go anywhere: people just assume you're supposed to be there.Replies: @Stan d Mute
You can also carry a clipboard and blueprint. Or a Verizon hardhat and telecom toolbelt. Those will get you anywhere unchallenged.
I am in awe of your amazing alliteration.
Pinker has tenure and he DGAF.
The deep state will concoct a honeypot->#metoo wipeout for him in a microsecond if he gets any traction with the masses. Who knows? Jesus was a Jew. Maybe SP is the Antichrist.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
It was certainly easy to connect Pinker to unsavory people – all it takes is a little Googling – it’s all in the public record.
Many of Pinker’s fans are offended that someone points out his direct effort to promote the career of Sailer via “The Best Science and Nature Writing” of 2004, among other things, but surely you Unz people aren’t offended – presumably you are proud of the connection between Pinker and the alt-right.
I plan to interview many scientists for the podcast, I hope to start with anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson. I’ll probably set up a Patreon account, like Quillette did.
Thanks for the publicity.
You're making a basic error, to which you are blind because of your own utter uselessness. Admitting that this is wrong would bring you close to admitting that most networking is twisting a lunch out of politeness, which would damage your own careers.
If you need a list of academics to pitch for interviews, I suggest you start with the signatories of the "Buzzfeed Manifesto":
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/bfopinion/race-genetics-david-reich
Anyone who can get angry at David Reich is probably also a good Pinker critic candidate.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Pretty well sums up your value.
LOL – and yet I guess it doesn’t bother you that Steven Pinker ranted for an entire chapter in “Better Angels” about modern art. Typical.
https://www.mcclernan.com/2018/02/steven-pinker-art-critic.html
I fell for it and read some of your blog. Your arts and entertainment criticisms are specious PC cut and paste counting of how many POC-trans-feminist-etc themes are crammed into the work.
Useless is too kind a description. You actively damage the planet you live on.
Reality is racist.
https://scinapse.io/search?query=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.nature.com%252Farticles%252Fs41588-018-0313-7&sort=RELEVANCE&filter=year%3D%3A%2Cif%3D%3A%2Cfos%3D%2Cjournal%3D&page=1
Can you tell what I'm doing wrong? Is it possible for you to post the scihub link? Sorry for bother.Replies: @415 reasons
I don’t think pasted Scihub links work. Type
http://sci-hub.tw/
Into your browser then copy and paste the whole paper url after the last slash. Or go to sci-hub.tw and paste the url into the box
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
LOL at those pictures! Pinker’s Jewfro is straight from 1975 and Steve Sailer looks like he’s on a fugitive poster.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
She seems to have missed Jordan Peterson. LOL
And at this point I think Peterson's 15 minutes are about up.Replies: @Logan
Thanks for that.Replies: @wren
Well, it seemed to say that a nice tan goes a long way to protecting the skin, which was an adaptation to summer sun.
It seems like it wouldn’t be too challenging to design a large study with sunlamps and people with darker skin in northern latitudes, though.
So sunlamps for dark skin in northern latitudes would be the sunscreen for lighter skin that doesn’t tan in the tropics.
Many of Pinker's fans are offended that someone points out his direct effort to promote the career of Sailer via "The Best Science and Nature Writing" of 2004, among other things, but surely you Unz people aren't offended - presumably you are proud of the connection between Pinker and the alt-right.
I plan to interview many scientists for the podcast, I hope to start with anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson. I'll probably set up a Patreon account, like Quillette did.
Thanks for the publicity.Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @bomag
So in other words, women and gays whose only skill is networking and attaching their names to things (which describes an awful lot of the other side) have reversed their own model (“anti-networking”) so that any association, including a writer citing another writer (which can hardly be compared to full agreement or partnership) is a “connection.”
You’re making a basic error, to which you are blind because of your own utter uselessness. Admitting that this is wrong would bring you close to admitting that most networking is twisting a lunch out of politeness, which would damage your own careers.
Do you have information about a connection between Peterson and Pinker? I couldn’t find enough to make it worth including Peterson.
And at this point I think Peterson’s 15 minutes are about up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Fg9r93UWw
We should all start substituting cognitive condition for intelligence and start taking Vegas odd’s on how long it will take Amy Harmon to out the phrase.
-impulse control disorder
-Pervasive Development Disorder
-ADHD
-Other Mental DisorderThis is based on the ICD-9 and -10 disease codes, which is I guess what Aetna (whose data was the basis for the study along with ZIP code data and data from the American Community Survey (ACS)) and all other insurers use. Wikipedia has a list of ICD-9 codes. I think the disorders listed above map to ICD-9 set of disorders diagnosed in childhood (312-316), namely "Disorders of conduct", "Disturbance of emotions", "hyperkinetic syndrome of childhood", "specific delays in development", and "psychic factors associated with diseases classified elsewhere". The study was focused on the young, I believe.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290%E2%80%93319:_mental_disordersI don't quite understand what Pinker means by "cognitive conditions are the likeliest to have genetic influences 4/5) and the least likely to have shared environmental influence (2/5)" (he's taking that from the press release).If you go to the study website I posted above and check the five cognitive disorders, all of them show substantial genetic influence (of course), and in every case genetic influence is greater than environmental influence. In three cases environmental influence is stated to be negative (which I don't understand -- how can a correlation be less than zero?). In the three conditions for which environmental influence is stated to be less than zero (conduct disorders, Pervasive Development Disorders, and ADHD), genetic influence is enormous.I think environmental influence is defined as SES, climate conditions, and air quality (all via ZIP code, so no individual SES) and environmental influence is distinct from "shared environment". I don't understand that either. Guessing, maybe if you determine expected correlations based on heredity and shared environment within a ZIP code, and actual correlations are lower than expected within that ZIP code, that's how "environmental influence" can be less than zero.Hopefully the Nature article will clear up some of these questions.Replies: @Forbes
Robert Plomin’s “Blueprint” touched on these cognitive conditions in the second half of the book, but I don’t recall him calling them, or grouping them as ‘cognitive conditions.’
https://www.mcclernan.com/2018/02/steven-pinker-art-critic.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @bomag
So … Steven Pinker is no longer in the running (excuse me, cycling) for the greatest living mainstream authority on the mind, because he, like every other right-thinking person, dislikes transparent tax avoidance schemes?
"Hereditary" doesn't mean "genetic". Yes, most traits are hereditary. No, that doesn't mean that they are caused by DNA differences.
Here's a facile example: coal mining is highly hereditary, children of coal miners are much more likely to become coal miners themselves compared to the average child. No, that doesn't mean that there's some sort of coal mining gene.
Another example: lack of iodine and/or other vitamins during pregnancy will severely lower your child's cognitive potential. So will smoking. So will medical errors during delivery.
And this is just the surface, I haven't started on the more esoteric issues like telegony. (Yes, telegony is real at least to some degree, despite what the establishment science-journalism complex says.)Replies: @dr kill, @keypusher, @Anon
Someone suggested that you read Robert Plomin’s recent book Blueprint, and I second that. Heritability, which is I assume what you’re talking about — hereditary and heritable are not the same — is indeed simply a statistical measure of variance of traits between generations, and in itself implies no genetic origin.
But the simple distinction between environment (including culture) on the one hand, and the genome on the other hand, has crumbled significantly in the past few years, and many writers and even scientists not in the same field have not caught up to this. Hence, read Plomin.
It’s entirely probable that there are genes (not a gene), numbering in the hundreds, that together make it more likely that a male will enter a mining-like job (by status, physical requirements, etc.) available to him in his environment than a non-mining like job, and these genes, as genes tend to be, are passed down, with on average half coming from the father.
And here’s where it really starts to get weird. The tendancy to somehow avoid getting enough iodine or vitamins during pregnancy may indeed have a polygenic origin. Smoking is heritable based on pre-GWAS twin and adoption studies, so that is old news, but it certainly has a polygenic cause. As for medical errors during delivery? This seems like it would correlate with a lot of things, including socio-economic status. But beyond that, Plomin talks about how the tendancy to be involved in random accidents with no apparent cause or responsibility tracable to the victim is — wait for it — heritable. So being on the receiving end of a medical error is indeed heritable.
http://sci-hub.tw/
Into your browser then copy and paste the whole paper url after the last slash. Or go to sci-hub.tw and paste the url into the boxReplies: @keypusher
That worked, thanks!
I’ve listened to Blueprint, but I’m waiting for the paperback. Don’t trust my memory (or my grasp of this study) too far, but I think Plomin talked more about major, familiar disorders like schizophrenia and major depressive disorder, while this study is more focused on a narrow set of conditions typically diagnosed in childhood.
Many of Pinker's fans are offended that someone points out his direct effort to promote the career of Sailer via "The Best Science and Nature Writing" of 2004, among other things, but surely you Unz people aren't offended - presumably you are proud of the connection between Pinker and the alt-right.
I plan to interview many scientists for the podcast, I hope to start with anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson. I'll probably set up a Patreon account, like Quillette did.
Thanks for the publicity.Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @bomag
If you literally start a “Steven Pinker is a Nazi” podcast you’re going to come off as a kook. But it might work as a “Playwright Manqué Interviews Adjunct Scientists” thing, with a bit of Pinker thrown in.
If you need a list of academics to pitch for interviews, I suggest you start with the signatories of the “Buzzfeed Manifesto”:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/bfopinion/race-genetics-david-reich
Anyone who can get angry at David Reich is probably also a good Pinker critic candidate.
If you need a list of academics to pitch for interviews, I suggest you start with the signatories of the "Buzzfeed Manifesto":
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/bfopinion/race-genetics-david-reich
Anyone who can get angry at David Reich is probably also a good Pinker critic candidate.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Some good scientists like John Hawks are angry at David Reich for running an oligopoly with Svante Paabo and a couple of other lab managers on the state of the art labs for analyzing ancient DNA.
I just read your new post on the NYTM piece, and this …
… reads like the beginnings of something similar to demands for affirmative action, diversity, and inclusion in academia. Third-tier researchers whining that white and Jewish male Americans and Europeans invented this stuff (weird how that always happens) and are prosecuting it in a competitive manner. Maybe these labs should be required to dole out bones to the underrepresented researchers and get the NIH to refuse to fund white guys? Given the destructive nature of inner-ear bone boring for DNA, and the risks of contamination, it’s a good idea to concentrate the work in a few labs that know what they are doing. Reich has plenty of foreign lab workers in his lab, but they have adult supervision.
“Africans in Britain and America are told to avoid the sun.”
I’ve never once heard of anyone saying this to Africans. But yes, since darker people are genetically suited to tropical latitudes, they should most definitely stay there, for their health and especially for ours.
Many of Pinker's fans are offended that someone points out his direct effort to promote the career of Sailer via "The Best Science and Nature Writing" of 2004, among other things, but surely you Unz people aren't offended - presumably you are proud of the connection between Pinker and the alt-right.
I plan to interview many scientists for the podcast, I hope to start with anthropologist R. Brian Ferguson. I'll probably set up a Patreon account, like Quillette did.
Thanks for the publicity.Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon, @bomag
You are anxious to interview scientists, but scientists are not anxious to interview you.
Pretty well sums up your value.
https://www.mcclernan.com/2018/02/steven-pinker-art-critic.htmlReplies: @J.Ross, @bomag
Changes nothing.
I fell for it and read some of your blog. Your arts and entertainment criticisms are specious PC cut and paste counting of how many POC-trans-feminist-etc themes are crammed into the work.
Useless is too kind a description. You actively damage the planet you live on.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jZdVgCFqcn4/W3d4v5hvwbI/AAAAAAAAJ1s/-Uv5v-EliX4Zgd8qGD7OaqiaESBOaPudACLcBGAs/s640/pinker_duke.png
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http://www.mcclernan.com
She seems annoyed that her years of work have not resulting in Pinker being Watsoned, and she is threatening to start a podcast devoted to outing Pinker "real soon now."Replies: @Lugash, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @J1234, @keypusher, @al gore rhythms, @Hello Unz Racists, @CJ, @Logan, @Anon
We can take this further.
Duke – Taylor – Sailer – Pinker – All Harvard Alum – Obama – Bill Ayers – Marx – Mao.
Not many degrees of separation from Duke to Mao.
Yeah, your memory sounds about right–major disorders discussed, not those more narrow conditions.
And at this point I think Peterson's 15 minutes are about up.Replies: @Logan
Well, here’s an hour-long interview with Pinker on Peterson’s blog. Don’t know if that qualifies as a connection.