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If you ask why France has so many angry Muslims, you’ll hear a laundry list of reasons specific to France:

– French Muslims tend to live in soulless suburban housing projects rather than in vibrant inner city neighborhoods.

– The intifada in France is delayed payback for French colonization of North Africa.

– France has traditions of secularism, colorblindness, political centralization, and cultural homogeneity that, for complicated reasons, aggravate Muslims.

In other words, it’s not the Muslims, it’s the French.

But right next door to France is Belgium, which is the opposite of France in most of the ways cited as provoking innocent Muslims. And yet its Muslims are at least as jihadi angry as France’s, sending the highest per capita rate to ISIS of any European country’s Muslims. From the NYT:

Molenbeek, Belgium’s ‘Jihad Central’
By CHAMS EDDINE ZAOUGUINOV. 19, 2015

BRUSSELS — The shocking and bloody attacks in Paris on Friday, Nov. 13, left a trail leading to France’s small northern neighbor, Belgium — more precisely to its capital, Brussels, and to a specific district, Molenbeek.

Here, weeds line the sidewalks and dilapidated buildings stand next to modest houses, like a few rotten teeth that were never pulled or fixed. In this down-at-the-heels but vibrant borough of nearly 100,000 people, about 40 percent are Muslims, and about three-quarters of them are of Moroccan origin or ancestry. This community dates back to the 1960s, when a demand for labor led to a wave of immigration from Morocco.

What is striking about Brussels is that, unlike Paris, where the immigrant neighborhoods, or banlieues, are banished to the periphery, ours are at the heart of the capital. Molenbeek is easily reachable by bus and Metro, and a mere 25-minute walk to the city center.

Molenbeek was originally a factory district located at a nexus of canals and railways in Brussels — known as “Little Manchester” because of the concentration of industry. Eventually, the factories closed, and Molenbeek became a working-class residential area — and a home to new immigrants, where you will find lively teahouses and snack bars where men enter laughing, calling one another sahbi, my friend.

But Molenbeek is also home to terrorist plotters.

The assassination of the Afghan anti-Taliban commander Ahmed Shah Massoud, immediately before the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001; the train bombings in Madrid in 2004; and the killing of four people at the Brussels Jewish Museum in 2014. And just this year the foiled shooting on a high-speed train, the anti-terrorist raid in the eastern Belgian town of Verviers, the attack on a Paris kosher supermarket and, finally, the Nov. 13 attacks on the French capital — all had some connection to Molenbeek.

What makes Molenbeek such a hotbed for Islamist radicalism?

The most obvious reason is the deep divisions in Belgian society. The country suffers from a form of linguistic apartheid that divides the Dutch-speaking Flemings and the French-speaking Walloons. Listening to their respective media outlets and politicians, you could be forgiven for thinking that the country of Belgium doesn’t exist. The two communities live completely apart.

This also leads to administrative dysfunction:

Belgium was intentionally set up by the strong state Great Powers of the 19th Century to be a wealthy but weak neutral state on the main Western European linguistic divide. Belgium gathers together Catholics who speak both French and a local version of German, but as religion has faded as an identity pole, it’s just two sets of people who don’t find it convenient to communicate.

So due to the lack of Belgian nationalism that would inspire Belgians to clean up their institutions out of national pride, Brussels has long been a center for high end organized crime, such as international gun-running, along with government bribery and sex scandals. Of course, it’s home to the E.U. and NATO. It’s a strange place, ultra-civilized, highly competent, and somewhat bland, but with a certain sinister Italian Renaissance undertone.

… That police and intelligence officers largely left radicals alone, assuming that potential jihadists could be easily monitored by informers, has proved another tactical blunder — one for which some blame the Socialist mayor of Molenbeek from 1993 until 2012, Philippe Moureaux. Critics say that Mr. Moureaux, a popular figure in Molenbeek, was responsible for the hands-off policy for fear that more intrusive policing might anger the district’s Muslim voters. …

What is striking about the homegrown jihadist activities in Molenbeek is that the district has functioned as a kind of base camp for attacks on France, rather than on Belgium itself. Apparently, Brussels is deemed a safe hide out conveniently close to France — the real target. …

This is Belgium’s chance to cast off its reputation as Europe’s leading exporter of jihadists. But if it is handled badly, Brussels could become a target, rather than a base, for Islamist terrorism.

Chams Eddine Zaougui, a scholar of Arab studies, writes for the Flemish newspaper De Standaard.

In summary, it’s less the specific things that Europeans try to do that anger Arab Muslims, it’s just that Arab Muslims tend to have chips on their shoulders.

 
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  1. A swath of French humanist and migrants rights organisations that have been furiously victim blaming and not mentioning Islam in recent days have been attacked by Riposte Laïque.

    I don’t think this cut from the headline needs much translation:

    “des islamo-fellateurs immigrationnistes”

    http://ripostelaique.com/betisier-islamo-fellateurs-immigrationnistes-de-goche.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill B.


    “des islamo-fellateurs immigrationnistes”

     

    How did we ever make it through the Clinton era without the word fellateuse?

    Oh, well... another Clinton era may be on its way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  2. I wish The Muscles From Brussels Jean Claude Van Damme would spin kick all of these Arab Muslims in Belgium back to their 3rd world shit holes in MENA.

  3. Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won’t hold my breath

    • Replies: @asdf
    @Anonymous

    "Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit"

    As in letting them into their countries and providing for them?

    I know, terrible. Which is why Europe needs a wall - to keep the Muslims out so they don't get mistreated.

    , @anon
    @Anonymous

    They're free to leave at any time, if they feel mistreated.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won’t hold my breath
     
    Muslims are slaughtering white civilians in their homelands. Is that the gold standard of behavior? No where are whites intentionally murdering Muslim civilians like that. If whites treat muslims so badly, then I'm sure Muslims will avoid the US and Europe and Australia where they live and govern.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Muslims would have done well to not treat Europeans like shit. At this point the Europeans would do well to treat Muslims like radioactive waste and send them far, far away.

    , @andy russia
    @Anonymous


    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

     

    that's gotta be a textbook example of "passive-aggressive." Treat us well (passive) or else! (aggressive)

    I just tried to picture a guy in Victorian times saying something like this. In a haughty British accent: yo, Zulus, it would befit you to treat our people well.... nope, doesn't compute.

    The West created a new civilization, because it created a new type of man.

  4. Here in America, the grievance list for minorities is long. Recent Mexican immigrants, who were not forced to emigrate to America, have beefs about racism and new Asian arrivals gripe about low percentages of their kind at the Ivies.

    Why add new peoples for future friction?

  5. They speak Dutch/Flemish in Belgium, not German.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Flip


    They speak Dutch/Flemish in Belgium, not German.

     

    Mostly true, but a German-speaking zone hugs the German border, with one or two percent of the population. They may even have protective laws like French and Flemish do.
    , @Jack D
    @Flip

    I think Steve was referring to Dutch/Flemish as a GermanIC language. So is English. But the history of Belgium has little to do with that clash of civilizations - it has more to do with the dynastic politics of Europe, where power passed back and forth between the Dukes of Burgundy and the House of Habsburg.

  6. Of course violent radical Islamism in Molenbeek is the Belgians’ fault. They speak two different languages! Who wouldn’t want to blow something up? It’s like they have some sort of linguistic diversity… Never mind.

    • Replies: @Tex
    @Tex

    Of course after explaining that the roots of Islamic violence in Belgium lie in Belgian attachment to multiple ancestral tongues, we can note who advances the thesis that the real problem with Belgian Muslims is Belgian non-Muslims, Chams Eddine Zaougui. No doubt that is Liegeois or Low Dietsch for John Smith.

  7. Is it just me or is this whole ‘blame the host nation’ nonsense starting to feel like lazy sophism? For all its faults, at least the Old Left could be intellectually interesting. Most of the newer Lefts complaints can be boiled down to ‘blame the white man’.

    I get it, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it… but yeesh is this broken record getting old.

  8. vibrant borough of nearly 100,000 people, about 40 percent are Muslims, and about three-quarters of them are of Moroccan origin or ancestry. This community dates back to the 1960s, when a demand for labor led to a wave of immigration from Morocco.”

    Steve, they are ripping you off man. Geez. Shameless.

  9. Flemish is a variety of Dutch, not German, though there is a German-speaking minority in the east of the country.

    The important questions is this: do Belgian Muslim fanatics attack Belgians? Why do they bother going to France to carry out atrocities? Could it be that it is because France is implicated in atrocities in Muslim countries, while Belgium is not? If these fanatics just had a general hatred of everything Western, if their anger had nothing to do with certain Western countries’ foreign policies, then you would expect each country’s terrorists to be satisfied with blowing things up in their countries of residence.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @jtgw

    Actually when Belgium was separated from Holland, the elites spoke French all over the Belgium and the hoi polloi spoke dialects of Dutch and French that were usually so weird that they could only communicate in their home provinces. This meant that, at the time, Belgium didn't seem too artificial. It was devoutly Catholic and had existed as a political unit under Spanish or Austrian rule for generations. As education spread, the linguistic division became harder and harder to hide especially as the educated burgers of Antwerp swapped French for Dutch in their day to day lives.

    In the nineteenth century, the coal mines of the south meant that the French speaking regions were vastly richer than the much despised peasants in Flanders, but these industries have long since disappeared and Flanders overtook la Wallonie in per capita wealth in 1960. The difference is now vast.

    Brussels is actually the capital of Flanders but the fact that the court was French speaking has turned the city Francophone. The disputed status of Brussels is now just about the only thing keeping Belgium together - especially the status of the increasingly Franchophone suburbs in the south that separated the city from the rest of French-speaking Belgium.

    Belgian French is now virtually identical to the language on the other side of the frontier although they say things like 'Je viens avec' meaning 'I'll come with you'. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).

    The small German-speaking areas were given to Belgium at the end of WWI to punish the Germans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @g Pinfold

    , @G Pinfold
    @jtgw

    That's like asking why the 9/11 terrorists didn't take out two tall buildings in New Jersey.

  10. @Anonymous
    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won't hold my breath

    Replies: @asdf, @anon, @Massimo Heitor, @Former Darfur, @andy russia

    “Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit”

    As in letting them into their countries and providing for them?

    I know, terrible. Which is why Europe needs a wall – to keep the Muslims out so they don’t get mistreated.

  11. @Anonymous
    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won't hold my breath

    Replies: @asdf, @anon, @Massimo Heitor, @Former Darfur, @andy russia

    They’re free to leave at any time, if they feel mistreated.

  12. Can it really be a coincidence that both of the capitals Current World Order, DC and Brussels, have large areas of third-worldish disorder within their cores?

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Glossy


    Can it really be a coincidence that both of the capitals Current World Order, DC and Brussels, have large areas of third-worldish disorder within their cores?
     
    All western cities have significant third-world populations, except maybe Boise or Salt Lake. And these third-worlders all misbehave to a fairly predictable extent.
  13. @Anonymous
    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won't hold my breath

    Replies: @asdf, @anon, @Massimo Heitor, @Former Darfur, @andy russia

    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won’t hold my breath

    Muslims are slaughtering white civilians in their homelands. Is that the gold standard of behavior? No where are whites intentionally murdering Muslim civilians like that. If whites treat muslims so badly, then I’m sure Muslims will avoid the US and Europe and Australia where they live and govern.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Massimo Heitor

    And the two plus million Iraqi's murdered by Bush? The Somali's? The Libyans? The Yemeni's?

  14. Isn’t that the traditional pattern for Muslims during the time of the Prophet according to the Koran?

    1) Find a safe haven
    2) Gather the ummah (the community of believers)
    3) Go forth to holy war/jihad in a nearby land.

  15. French Muslims tend to live in soulless suburban housing projects rather than in vibrant inner city neighborhoods.

    Moving Muslims out of France and into a Muslim country or countries will fix that. Muslim countries are very vibrant and soulful.

    The intifada in France is delayed payback for French colonization of North Africa.

    Moving the Muslims out of France and into a Muslim country or countries will fix that, too. No reason the poor dears should be forced to live around people they hate.

    France has traditions of secularism, colorblindness, political centralization, and cultural homogeneity that, for complicated reasons, aggravate Muslims.

    Moving the Muslims out of France and into a Muslim country or countries will fix that, too.

    Moving the Muslims out of France is the perfect solution.

    What makes Molenbeek such a hotbed for Islamist radicalism?

    The fact that the Belgians have foolishly allowed Muslims to live there.

    Critics say that Mr. Moureaux, a popular figure in Molenbeek, was responsible for the hands-off policy for fear that more intrusive policing might anger the district’s Muslim voters.

    Want to know a great way to make angering Muslim voters a non-issue? You guessed it; remove them from your country.

  16. Nuttiest thing about the NPR piece on Belgium’s jihadis (that word – among many others – was never used) was how the host repeatedly stated that Belgium had a duty to not let jihadis leave the country to go fight in the ME or engage in terrorism in other countries. W…T…F? Like Europe nothing more than a series of roach motels for Muslims.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Svigor

    Good metaphor.

    Let the jihadis go - but do not let them back.

    Can't be stateless; human rights; honest mistake; what about the Spanish civil war?

    Stuff it: they coldly and deliberately choose a vile, theocracy that is engaged in a war à outrance against Western Civilisation.

    They have crossed over to the dark side. They are traitors, if indeed they were ever "ours".

  17. Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won’t hold my breath

    True. Shit has value. You can use it as fertilizer, for example. Makes sense to keep it around.

    Muslims are more like a virus, something with negative value, that one should expel. Europeans would do well to remove them entirely. Then their threats (and yours) would be a punch line.

  18. OT
    I came across this in a review of Coates’ book ‘Between Me and My Son”:

    “The entire narrative of this country,” he says to Samori, “argues against the truth of who you are.”

    I’m getting on in years, and I suppose some of my faculties may be diminished somewhat, but would someone tell me what the statements means? Is it so profound that my White privilege will not let me comprehend its meaning?

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Hubbub

    Language is kind of pomo-ish, but what he's basically saying is that the whole story of American history you get taught in school denies the black experience--that we talk about progress when black people just had slavery and segregation, etc.

    Which might have been true in 1950, but now...?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Reg Cæsar, @epebble
    @Hubbub

    I think he is hinting that in the grand scheme of things, people imagine USA as a country of and for "White" people (and consider others as "Extras"; i.e. That "All men are created equal" is all BS) - USA is hypocrisy crystallized.

  19. yes, nothing is enough…for decades now. The whole “when in Rome, do as the Romans do,” was never something that even educated Muslims heard about, it seems.

    I have been freaked-out by the angry Muslims denigrating whichever European country they are living in; all poor people from distant lands, people unwilling to assimilate to Finland (or the USA) for decades. I saw this growing problem of the “parallel culture” hostile to the “host country’s culture ,” in the 80’s. It makes me angry and sad at the same time. I have no respect for people who do not take personal responsibility for their decisions and behavior, and I have no sympathy for their personal economic failure when they refuse to do that. Don’t come to lands looking for a hand-out if you don’t want to assimilate to these distant and different cultures from yours. Stay and fix your country. Stay in your own lands. Finns fought hard for their independence from Russia. And, the USA fought hard to start their own country. Simple – don’t impose your views, laws, habits on your neighbors. Good night, guys, fight the good fight.

  20. @jtgw
    Flemish is a variety of Dutch, not German, though there is a German-speaking minority in the east of the country.

    The important questions is this: do Belgian Muslim fanatics attack Belgians? Why do they bother going to France to carry out atrocities? Could it be that it is because France is implicated in atrocities in Muslim countries, while Belgium is not? If these fanatics just had a general hatred of everything Western, if their anger had nothing to do with certain Western countries' foreign policies, then you would expect each country's terrorists to be satisfied with blowing things up in their countries of residence.

    Replies: @22pp22, @G Pinfold

    Actually when Belgium was separated from Holland, the elites spoke French all over the Belgium and the hoi polloi spoke dialects of Dutch and French that were usually so weird that they could only communicate in their home provinces. This meant that, at the time, Belgium didn’t seem too artificial. It was devoutly Catholic and had existed as a political unit under Spanish or Austrian rule for generations. As education spread, the linguistic division became harder and harder to hide especially as the educated burgers of Antwerp swapped French for Dutch in their day to day lives.

    In the nineteenth century, the coal mines of the south meant that the French speaking regions were vastly richer than the much despised peasants in Flanders, but these industries have long since disappeared and Flanders overtook la Wallonie in per capita wealth in 1960. The difference is now vast.

    Brussels is actually the capital of Flanders but the fact that the court was French speaking has turned the city Francophone. The disputed status of Brussels is now just about the only thing keeping Belgium together – especially the status of the increasingly Franchophone suburbs in the south that separated the city from the rest of French-speaking Belgium.

    Belgian French is now virtually identical to the language on the other side of the frontier although they say things like ‘Je viens avec’ meaning ‘I’ll come with you’. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).

    The small German-speaking areas were given to Belgium at the end of WWI to punish the Germans.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @22pp22


    …although they say things like ‘Je viens avec’ meaning ‘I’ll come with you’. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).
     
    In the Upper Midwest you regularly hear "Can I come with?" Clearly it bled into the local parlance from German, reinforced by Scandinavian. English is the odd man out by not using this construction. (Except here.)
    , @g Pinfold
    @22pp22

    Fascinating. In South Africa, even the Anglophones use the expression 'can I come with?' It's influenced by the Afrikaans (Flemish like Dutch dialect) as so many Saf colloquialisms are.

    I was recently surprised that a Belgian colleague (nickname frenchie) had no knowledge of Dutch/Flaams. I tried to draw him out with my Boere musiek, but he was steadfast. He knew no word of Hollands, nor did he wish to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  21. I blame the weeds that line the sidewalk

  22. Obama is shaming right wing whites in US and Europe and telling them to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting the Muslims committing acts of terror.

    When whites commit terroristic evil, like the Dylan Roof episode, do we ask the communities of the black victims to walk on eggshells to avoid provoking more terror? That would be absurd!

    The leaders should be shaming the Muslim terrorists, and the large numbers of Muslims that feel comfortable enough to openly cheer and support the terrorists. And if Muslims want to live in Europe and the US, they should be the ones walking on eggshells and bending over backwards to integrate, not the whites giving out charity.

    The way to combat terror is to deeply, institutionally shame and humiliate the terrorists and those those that support them. The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists were completely peaceful and polite. Western governments shouldn’t cater to the demands of the evil terrorists, they should adopt the Charlie Hebdo Mohammed portrait as a symbol of western society and blanket it far and wide to show the world how far evil terror will go.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Massimo Heitor

    Among civilized people (Muslims included), I don't think it's even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS. Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The "moderate" opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS. I'm pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

    I have no good idea about what to do about them. If anyone has ever deserved bombing, they're the ones, but we've been bombing and occupying in that region for 13 years or so at this point, and so far, it hasn't turned out too well for us. Russia's plan to prop up Assad doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world--Assad is nasty, but better than ISIS--though I don't know how well that can work at this point. Very few of our plans intervening in the middle east seem to turn out well.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Jim

    , @EriK
    @Massimo Heitor


    When whites commit terroristic evil, like the Dylan Roof episode, do we ask the communities of the black victims to walk on eggshells to avoid provoking more terror? That would be absurd!
     
    Bingo
  23. Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists — as long as they play nice on Belgian soil. Indeed, there is a episode of the excellent British spy series “The Sandbaggers” from the early 1980s in which the West German intelligence agencies are hunting a splinter group of the Red Army Faction hiding out in Belgium. The Belgian authorities refuse to act until the Germans fake the kidnapping of a British official by the group.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @verylongaccountname


    Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists — as long as they play nice on Belgian soil
     
    Belgium: the Canada of Europe. In more ways than one.

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Anonymous

  24. @Tex
    Of course violent radical Islamism in Molenbeek is the Belgians' fault. They speak two different languages! Who wouldn't want to blow something up? It's like they have some sort of linguistic diversity... Never mind.

    Replies: @Tex

    Of course after explaining that the roots of Islamic violence in Belgium lie in Belgian attachment to multiple ancestral tongues, we can note who advances the thesis that the real problem with Belgian Muslims is Belgian non-Muslims, Chams Eddine Zaougui. No doubt that is Liegeois or Low Dietsch for John Smith.

  25. @Massimo Heitor
    Obama is shaming right wing whites in US and Europe and telling them to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting the Muslims committing acts of terror.

    When whites commit terroristic evil, like the Dylan Roof episode, do we ask the communities of the black victims to walk on eggshells to avoid provoking more terror? That would be absurd!

    The leaders should be shaming the Muslim terrorists, and the large numbers of Muslims that feel comfortable enough to openly cheer and support the terrorists. And if Muslims want to live in Europe and the US, they should be the ones walking on eggshells and bending over backwards to integrate, not the whites giving out charity.

    The way to combat terror is to deeply, institutionally shame and humiliate the terrorists and those those that support them. The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists were completely peaceful and polite. Western governments shouldn't cater to the demands of the evil terrorists, they should adopt the Charlie Hebdo Mohammed portrait as a symbol of western society and blanket it far and wide to show the world how far evil terror will go.

    Replies: @NOTA, @EriK

    Among civilized people (Muslims included), I don’t think it’s even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS. Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The “moderate” opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS. I’m pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

    I have no good idea about what to do about them. If anyone has ever deserved bombing, they’re the ones, but we’ve been bombing and occupying in that region for 13 years or so at this point, and so far, it hasn’t turned out too well for us. Russia’s plan to prop up Assad doesn’t seem like the worst idea in the world–Assad is nasty, but better than ISIS–though I don’t know how well that can work at this point. Very few of our plans intervening in the middle east seem to turn out well.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @NOTA


    I don’t think it’s even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS.
     
    Not at all. Large numbers of people support ISIL, so it can't be shamed that badly.

    From
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

    A new, widely-covered poll shows that a full 16% of French people have positive attitudes toward ISIS. That includes 27% of French between the ages of 18-24. Anne-Elizabeth Moutet of Newsweek wrote, “This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds…these are the same people who torch synagogues.”
     

    Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The “moderate” opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS.
     
    All the Islamic Terror groups hate each other. That's old news.

    I’m pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

     

    If crowds of Turks can boo and shout Alahu Akbar during a moment of silence for the Paris attacks, then no, it isn't remotely shamed. On MLK day, do you see KKK signs at major sporting events? No, because it's shamed.
    , @Jim
    @NOTA

    We cannot change the Moslem world. Our disastrous interventions there have only increased instability and generated massive refugee flows now destabilizing Europe. The sensible thing to do is to end Moslem immigration into the West and to expel the Moslems already living there back to where they came from.

    The west must separate itself from the Moslem World if it is to survive. Involvement in the black holes of internal Middle Eastern conflict is extremally unwise.

  26. Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @NOTA


    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here
     
    No, you don't get murders, robberies, and stabbings. Just CAIR, academic whining, and other chips-on-the-shoulder.

    Middlebrow-beating, not low-brow.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Lagertha
    @NOTA

    yeah, whatever. Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100's to Syria/ISIS - don't forget about the sleazy airport workers who were busted for gun-running this year. And, I can never get the image of the Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell out of my mind, forever...in my beloved NYC. So, yeah, not convinced.

    And, since when do host countries have to work hard/be responsible for Muslims or Mexicans, or whatever, to assimilate? When I moved to the US with no English language skills, I was on my own. I'm sick of all the babying of people who emigrate but just can't cope. Don't move if you can't accept hardship to learn how to rely on yourself. And, you must accept the laws of the host country. And, the host country's culture supersedes your culture in your land that you left behind - get over yourself. snap.

    Replies: @E. Burke, @Reg Cæsar, @Yngvar

    , @Auntie Analogue
    @NOTA

    "Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here."

    For now, my dear NOTA; for now.

    Moslems in the U.S. simply lack the near-tipping-over-point numbers that they've amassed in Europe. Moslems in the U.S. also lack direct near access to their North African & Middle Eastern lands, but as their numbers here grow, this will become less of a speed bump for them. Once Moslems become more than five-to-seven percent of a host population, then they begin to throw their weight - and bombs - around (ramp up their carrot-&-stick act) with increasing frequency.

    Further, in the U.S. Moslems have infiltrated every level of Government, every level of academia, every organ of Enemedia-Pravda, and every corporate, banking, and trading establishment. They're here laying the groundwork for further Moslem immigrants and for the ultimately overwhelming progeny of their resident and future high fertility ilk.

    For one example, Human Abedin, both of whose parents are high muckety-mucks in the Moslem Brotherhood, held a high post in the Moslem Brotherhood; today Abedin is Hillary Clinton's top advisor and right hand agent. For others, you have the Saudis & other Gulf oil sheiks buddy-buddy with the Bush clan and other American oil/energy/Wall Street big shots, and the endless treadmill of Chalabi/Uncle Ruslan/Gulen types - parasites on the so-called "intelligence" agencies, CAIR/ISNA/MSA.

    Islam is seeding itself - with loads of help and encouragement from our Dear Rulers and clueless Left-lib-proglodyte stooges - even in small town U.S.A. A few years ago I lived in a sleepy little Louisiana burg where I could not miss seeing numerous Moslems and at least two mosques; and neighboring sleepy towns were also seeded with Moslems and mosques. If you think that Islam is not laying the groundwork here for takeover of entire towns and city neighborhoods that will become Moslem No-Go zones, then you're deluding yourself.

    When their numbers amount to less than five percent of the host population, Moslems pretend to have assimilated. In the past this has worked very smoothly for Islam in gulling the host population into mistaking that resident Moslems have no menacing - that is, genuine - Islamic-koranic supremacist, global sharia rule agenda.

    You also appear to have overlooked that in both the U.S. and Europe the fastest growing religion is Islam.

    , @rod1963
    @NOTA

    No, they take to crime like duck takes to water. Mostly it's money laundering for the cartels and local dealers, paper hanging, gun running, running prostitution rings and the like. They aren't very good fighters so they avoid the street thugging that the blacks and Mexicans are notorious for.

    What secular people don't get about them is this. Their religion condones the screwing over of infidels(us) and even killing us as part of their religious obligations. Our women are seen as cattle to be used and disposed off as they see fit. In business they see it as okay to rip off the customer and treat him like shit if possible.

    They're predators and we're prey. It's that simple.

    It's the same reasoning that led the Muzzies to take our merchant ships and enslave their crews after the American Revolution. Later when our Navy and Marines beat the savages back, our ambassador asked the greasy fingered Muzzie warlord why he went after our ships. He replied to the effect that it was a form of taxation(Jiza) on the infidels.

    , @greysquirrell
    @NOTA

    It is much easier to get rich in the US than in Europe. Far more economic opportunities here . Europe is crowded, much harder and way slower to get rich/affluent. This is true not just for Muslims but for everyone.
    There are lots of non Muslim immigrants in Europe too, but they aren't making the news for all the wrong reasons. There are lots of Buddhists,Hindus , Sikhs and Christians in the UK from 3rd world countries but the Pedo gangs preying on native Brits is almost exclusively by Pakistani Muslim immigrants.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @Rob McX
    @NOTA

    Muslims always seem to have "assimilated well" while their numbers remain below a certain level, even though they're at least as bad as any other immigrant group, including sub-Saharan Africans.

    The thing about Muslim crime and dysfunction is a lot of it goes under the radar for a long time. The sort of crime they're good at is fraud and corruption of all kinds, the kind of thing that nets a lot of money but without the sort of headline-grabbing activity that armed robbery, mugging and home invasion requires.

    There are two reasons for that. They're more intelligent than blacks, who tend to commit more crimes for less money, and crimes of a more violent nature with a greater risk of detection. Secondly, they have close-knit and insular communities and families, which makes it much harder for the authorities to get any leads on what's going on. Their gangs rarely involve anyone from outside their community. This tight ethnic cohesion also covers up a lot of other dysfunction, such as marrying close relatives.

  27. @Glossy
    Can it really be a coincidence that both of the capitals Current World Order, DC and Brussels, have large areas of third-worldish disorder within their cores?

    Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Can it really be a coincidence that both of the capitals Current World Order, DC and Brussels, have large areas of third-worldish disorder within their cores?

    All western cities have significant third-world populations, except maybe Boise or Salt Lake. And these third-worlders all misbehave to a fairly predictable extent.

  28. @Flip
    They speak Dutch/Flemish in Belgium, not German.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    They speak Dutch/Flemish in Belgium, not German.

    Mostly true, but a German-speaking zone hugs the German border, with one or two percent of the population. They may even have protective laws like French and Flemish do.

  29. @Hubbub
    OT
    I came across this in a review of Coates' book 'Between Me and My Son":

    “The entire narrative of this country,” he says to Samori, “argues against the truth of who you are.”

    I'm getting on in years, and I suppose some of my faculties may be diminished somewhat, but would someone tell me what the statements means? Is it so profound that my White privilege will not let me comprehend its meaning?

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @epebble

    Language is kind of pomo-ish, but what he’s basically saying is that the whole story of American history you get taught in school denies the black experience–that we talk about progress when black people just had slavery and segregation, etc.

    Which might have been true in 1950, but now…?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @SFG


    Language is kind of pomo-ish, but what he’s basically saying is that the whole story of American history you get taught in school denies the black experience–that we talk about progress when black people just had slavery and segregation, etc.

    Which might have been true in 1950, but now…?
     
    Now it's worse. "Progress" is just so much hegemonic discourse. It's all about exploitation.
  30. Wow, a Jewish writer in the NYT who is not 100% in favor of unlimited immigration to Sweden:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/swedens-self-inflicted-nightmare.html?_r=1

  31. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here

    No, you don’t get murders, robberies, and stabbings. Just CAIR, academic whining, and other chips-on-the-shoulder.

    Middlebrow-beating, not low-brow.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Reg Cæsar

    " Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here

    No, you don’t get murders,"

    You don't get regular mugging street crime murders, but you do get terrorist attack murders from Muslims in the U.S like Fort Hood, Tennessee, Boston, and 9/11 for example.

  32. @verylongaccountname
    Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists --- as long as they play nice on Belgian soil. Indeed, there is a episode of the excellent British spy series "The Sandbaggers" from the early 1980s in which the West German intelligence agencies are hunting a splinter group of the Red Army Faction hiding out in Belgium. The Belgian authorities refuse to act until the Germans fake the kidnapping of a British official by the group.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists — as long as they play nice on Belgian soil

    Belgium: the Canada of Europe. In more ways than one.

    • Replies: @BurplesonAFB
    @Reg Cæsar

    The 9/11 terrorists had no dealings with Canada. Your people let em in and trained them to fly, stop spreading old rumors.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, it's OUR fault your shitty border guards let those guys in, your institutions happily trained them to fly, and your Intelligence services dropped the ball and let them pull off a massive terrorist attack.

    Poor Americans. Nothing is ever your fault, is it?

  33. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    Scott Adams suggests that jihadists and other Muslim terrorists are basically suffering from chronic, long-term blue balls.

    He says the old rich guys hoard all the chicks, leaving the young bucks squirming with deviant energy- like a dog that tears up the house when his owner is away.

    Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve’s theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.

    I don’t know, though, it kind of just seems like they have to tear down the obviously superior Western civilization to prove God is on their side. Many people, including Europeans of the past, used success as a measure of God’s pleasure with them. So, as of right now, I’d say it’s pretty obvious God is against them. To top it off, they’ve committed to this lame, no fun, heartless, cannibalistic religion and it’s staring them in the face daily that it isn’t even correct. But, like most humans, they choose to double-down and try to force or cheat their way into the winner’s circle, instead of admitting they made a mistake.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @WGG

    well, the idea that "it all comes down to sex, or lack of it," was the 2nd post of mine on this blog a while back...boy, was that a big mistake, too! Ha, haa. I make a total fool out of myself all the time.

    My brother and I used to talk about this idea of sexual frustration (Muslim men can not indiscriminately date in their community at all) a lot during the early 90's when the Jihadis were streaming into Bosnia, and especially after 9/11 when we were both living in NYC. But, you are correct; it is all about the id; well, at least in my opinion.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Former Darfur
    @WGG

    The biggest problem with Muslims isn't what their book says. All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally. The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with, and then pumped full of animus by their imams and clerics, and their extended families, and then turned loose on a deracinated, pussified, demoralized, and gelded Western world. And then the rulers of that world protect, mollycoddle and defend them.

    The French should have seen to it that at least a few Muslim car-burners were back-sprayed with le essence and wound up in the burn ward. It would have been an object lesson, like the heartwarming stories of copper thieves whose planned loot turned out to have 25 kV connected and hot, leaving a smoking pile of crispy critter for their homies to learn from.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Massimo Heitor

    , @Jim
    @WGG

    Islam and the West have been in frequently bloody conflict for over 1,300 years. It is fantasy to believe that this conflict will end in the forseeable future. It is now intensyfing.

  34. @22pp22
    @jtgw

    Actually when Belgium was separated from Holland, the elites spoke French all over the Belgium and the hoi polloi spoke dialects of Dutch and French that were usually so weird that they could only communicate in their home provinces. This meant that, at the time, Belgium didn't seem too artificial. It was devoutly Catholic and had existed as a political unit under Spanish or Austrian rule for generations. As education spread, the linguistic division became harder and harder to hide especially as the educated burgers of Antwerp swapped French for Dutch in their day to day lives.

    In the nineteenth century, the coal mines of the south meant that the French speaking regions were vastly richer than the much despised peasants in Flanders, but these industries have long since disappeared and Flanders overtook la Wallonie in per capita wealth in 1960. The difference is now vast.

    Brussels is actually the capital of Flanders but the fact that the court was French speaking has turned the city Francophone. The disputed status of Brussels is now just about the only thing keeping Belgium together - especially the status of the increasingly Franchophone suburbs in the south that separated the city from the rest of French-speaking Belgium.

    Belgian French is now virtually identical to the language on the other side of the frontier although they say things like 'Je viens avec' meaning 'I'll come with you'. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).

    The small German-speaking areas were given to Belgium at the end of WWI to punish the Germans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @g Pinfold

    …although they say things like ‘Je viens avec’ meaning ‘I’ll come with you’. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).

    In the Upper Midwest you regularly hear “Can I come with?” Clearly it bled into the local parlance from German, reinforced by Scandinavian. English is the odd man out by not using this construction. (Except here.)

  35. @Hubbub
    OT
    I came across this in a review of Coates' book 'Between Me and My Son":

    “The entire narrative of this country,” he says to Samori, “argues against the truth of who you are.”

    I'm getting on in years, and I suppose some of my faculties may be diminished somewhat, but would someone tell me what the statements means? Is it so profound that my White privilege will not let me comprehend its meaning?

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @epebble

  36. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's a Google/Safari/iPhone/Unz.com/etc. thing-- I don't understand.

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s a Google/Safari/iPhone/Unz.com/etc. thing– I don’t understand.

  38. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    yeah, whatever. Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100’s to Syria/ISIS – don’t forget about the sleazy airport workers who were busted for gun-running this year. And, I can never get the image of the Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell out of my mind, forever…in my beloved NYC. So, yeah, not convinced.

    And, since when do host countries have to work hard/be responsible for Muslims or Mexicans, or whatever, to assimilate? When I moved to the US with no English language skills, I was on my own. I’m sick of all the babying of people who emigrate but just can’t cope. Don’t move if you can’t accept hardship to learn how to rely on yourself. And, you must accept the laws of the host country. And, the host country’s culture supersedes your culture in your land that you left behind – get over yourself. snap.

    • Replies: @E. Burke
    @Lagertha

    OK, perhaps Muslim immigration is not yet a major problem here in the US, but that is all the more reason for it to be tightly-restricted, so we don't incur the problems that Europe is dealing with now.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Lagertha


    Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100′s to Syria/
     
    I think it's more like dozens. Either way, we're not complaining!
    , @Yngvar
    @Lagertha


    ...Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell...
     
    That never happened.
  39. @SFG
    @Hubbub

    Language is kind of pomo-ish, but what he's basically saying is that the whole story of American history you get taught in school denies the black experience--that we talk about progress when black people just had slavery and segregation, etc.

    Which might have been true in 1950, but now...?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Language is kind of pomo-ish, but what he’s basically saying is that the whole story of American history you get taught in school denies the black experience–that we talk about progress when black people just had slavery and segregation, etc.

    Which might have been true in 1950, but now…?

    Now it’s worse. “Progress” is just so much hegemonic discourse. It’s all about exploitation.

  40. I don’t know if it’s frightening or amazing, but Scott Adams is starting to make a lot of sense:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/133468720601/which-interpretation-of-daesh-is-right

  41. @WGG
    Scott Adams suggests that jihadists and other Muslim terrorists are basically suffering from chronic, long-term blue balls.

    He says the old rich guys hoard all the chicks, leaving the young bucks squirming with deviant energy- like a dog that tears up the house when his owner is away.

    Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve's theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.

    I don't know, though, it kind of just seems like they have to tear down the obviously superior Western civilization to prove God is on their side. Many people, including Europeans of the past, used success as a measure of God's pleasure with them. So, as of right now, I'd say it's pretty obvious God is against them. To top it off, they've committed to this lame, no fun, heartless, cannibalistic religion and it's staring them in the face daily that it isn't even correct. But, like most humans, they choose to double-down and try to force or cheat their way into the winner's circle, instead of admitting they made a mistake.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Former Darfur, @Jim

    well, the idea that “it all comes down to sex, or lack of it,” was the 2nd post of mine on this blog a while back…boy, was that a big mistake, too! Ha, haa. I make a total fool out of myself all the time.

    My brother and I used to talk about this idea of sexual frustration (Muslim men can not indiscriminately date in their community at all) a lot during the early 90’s when the Jihadis were streaming into Bosnia, and especially after 9/11 when we were both living in NYC. But, you are correct; it is all about the id; well, at least in my opinion.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Lagertha

    Sexual frustration is only one facet. It is the totality of the energy of young adult males. Lots of problems in complex, individualist and competitive societies like ours. We end up with thousands of un-disciplined, un-initiated (into manhood) young men that terrorize each other, the women around them and society in general.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

  42. Arab Muslims don’t have chips on their shoulder. They are just Muslims and that’s why they don’t play well with us kuffar. As kuffar we are considered fair game by them, they can rape our women, lie, cheat and steal from our people and simply say it’s Jiza(collecting taxes from infidels).

    The more they read the Koran and obey it’s injunctions the more radical they become. Look all AQ and ISIS are, are taking the Koran to the max. Not much different than Tamerlane did.

    And the more a infidel country takes in, the stronger and more violent they get.

  43. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    “Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here.”

    For now, my dear NOTA; for now.

    Moslems in the U.S. simply lack the near-tipping-over-point numbers that they’ve amassed in Europe. Moslems in the U.S. also lack direct near access to their North African & Middle Eastern lands, but as their numbers here grow, this will become less of a speed bump for them. Once Moslems become more than five-to-seven percent of a host population, then they begin to throw their weight – and bombs – around (ramp up their carrot-&-stick act) with increasing frequency.

    Further, in the U.S. Moslems have infiltrated every level of Government, every level of academia, every organ of Enemedia-Pravda, and every corporate, banking, and trading establishment. They’re here laying the groundwork for further Moslem immigrants and for the ultimately overwhelming progeny of their resident and future high fertility ilk.

    For one example, Human Abedin, both of whose parents are high muckety-mucks in the Moslem Brotherhood, held a high post in the Moslem Brotherhood; today Abedin is Hillary Clinton’s top advisor and right hand agent. For others, you have the Saudis & other Gulf oil sheiks buddy-buddy with the Bush clan and other American oil/energy/Wall Street big shots, and the endless treadmill of Chalabi/Uncle Ruslan/Gulen types – parasites on the so-called “intelligence” agencies, CAIR/ISNA/MSA.

    Islam is seeding itself – with loads of help and encouragement from our Dear Rulers and clueless Left-lib-proglodyte stooges – even in small town U.S.A. A few years ago I lived in a sleepy little Louisiana burg where I could not miss seeing numerous Moslems and at least two mosques; and neighboring sleepy towns were also seeded with Moslems and mosques. If you think that Islam is not laying the groundwork here for takeover of entire towns and city neighborhoods that will become Moslem No-Go zones, then you’re deluding yourself.

    When their numbers amount to less than five percent of the host population, Moslems pretend to have assimilated. In the past this has worked very smoothly for Islam in gulling the host population into mistaking that resident Moslems have no menacing – that is, genuine – Islamic-koranic supremacist, global sharia rule agenda.

    You also appear to have overlooked that in both the U.S. and Europe the fastest growing religion is Islam.

  44. These are the guys to watch out for. Not the mythical jihadis to be embedded with refugees that all the Republican politicians are screaming about.

    Why go to the trouble of embedding jihadi fighters with refugees, having them be interviewed by ICE, and wait years to be approved. Much easier to get some of the French or Belgium brothers who have visa-free access to the US to hop a plane to NY, California, or wherever.

    Which brings up an interesting point. Starting in the late 1990’s (I forget the year), the visa waiver program was modified to include an ESTA requirement – https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ . This means that even if you come from a visa waiver country like France, Belgium, or the UK (another jihadi hotspot), you have to go online, fill out a form with your passport and other identifying information, and get an approval to board a plane to go to the US. Presumably these applications are then checked against some sort of watch list or lists. You are supposed to so this at least 72 hours before departure, but if you are low risk you can be approved immediately (this I know from experience of friends.)

    So, the question – if Abdelhamid Abaaoud (the “mastermind” of the Paris attacks) had filled out the online ESTA application two weeks ago using his Belgian passport, would he have gotten the approval to come to the US? Or would his name have shown up on a list (it should have, he was known to the French as a bad actor), and he would have been rejected? Same question for the other European passport holders among the Paris attackers.

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    • Replies: @anon
    @LeftyLawyer

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    No reason we can't worry about both.

    Replies: @LeftyLawyer

    , @rod1963
    @LeftyLawyer

    We should stop both. There is no reason to import what amounts to a horde of Muslim colonists into the U.S. who will never have any loyalty to the state, respect it's laws and culture. Let them stay in their cess pits and butcher each other. It's apparently the only thing they are good at.

  45. @Anonymous
    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won't hold my breath

    Replies: @asdf, @anon, @Massimo Heitor, @Former Darfur, @andy russia

    Muslims would have done well to not treat Europeans like shit. At this point the Europeans would do well to treat Muslims like radioactive waste and send them far, far away.

  46. @NOTA
    @Massimo Heitor

    Among civilized people (Muslims included), I don't think it's even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS. Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The "moderate" opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS. I'm pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

    I have no good idea about what to do about them. If anyone has ever deserved bombing, they're the ones, but we've been bombing and occupying in that region for 13 years or so at this point, and so far, it hasn't turned out too well for us. Russia's plan to prop up Assad doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world--Assad is nasty, but better than ISIS--though I don't know how well that can work at this point. Very few of our plans intervening in the middle east seem to turn out well.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Jim

    I don’t think it’s even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS.

    Not at all. Large numbers of people support ISIL, so it can’t be shamed that badly.

    From
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/09/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority/

    A new, widely-covered poll shows that a full 16% of French people have positive attitudes toward ISIS. That includes 27% of French between the ages of 18-24. Anne-Elizabeth Moutet of Newsweek wrote, “This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds…these are the same people who torch synagogues.”

    Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The “moderate” opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS.

    All the Islamic Terror groups hate each other. That’s old news.

    I’m pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

    If crowds of Turks can boo and shout Alahu Akbar during a moment of silence for the Paris attacks, then no, it isn’t remotely shamed. On MLK day, do you see KKK signs at major sporting events? No, because it’s shamed.

  47. @LeftyLawyer
    These are the guys to watch out for. Not the mythical jihadis to be embedded with refugees that all the Republican politicians are screaming about.

    Why go to the trouble of embedding jihadi fighters with refugees, having them be interviewed by ICE, and wait years to be approved. Much easier to get some of the French or Belgium brothers who have visa-free access to the US to hop a plane to NY, California, or wherever.

    Which brings up an interesting point. Starting in the late 1990's (I forget the year), the visa waiver program was modified to include an ESTA requirement - https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ . This means that even if you come from a visa waiver country like France, Belgium, or the UK (another jihadi hotspot), you have to go online, fill out a form with your passport and other identifying information, and get an approval to board a plane to go to the US. Presumably these applications are then checked against some sort of watch list or lists. You are supposed to so this at least 72 hours before departure, but if you are low risk you can be approved immediately (this I know from experience of friends.)

    So, the question - if Abdelhamid Abaaoud (the "mastermind" of the Paris attacks) had filled out the online ESTA application two weeks ago using his Belgian passport, would he have gotten the approval to come to the US? Or would his name have shown up on a list (it should have, he was known to the French as a bad actor), and he would have been rejected? Same question for the other European passport holders among the Paris attackers.

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    Replies: @anon, @rod1963

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    No reason we can’t worry about both.

    • Replies: @LeftyLawyer
    @anon

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    What we are seeing in Europe, and to some extent in the US (Tsarnaev, e.g.) - it's the kids born in the West that are the problem. But, no one wants to say the publicly, because it sounds a tad too racist to talk about later generations - so everyone focuses on the non-existent problem.

    Kind of like Trump. Statistically, it's the American born kids of the Mexican immigrants that are the bigger problem than the immigrants themselves. No one says that publicly. But why be bothered with facts?

    (I always though Trump would get more traction if he said "when I said they are all rapists and murderers it was just a figure of speech - but, the fact is that the crime rate of Mexican immigrants is higher than the native population, and of their children it is even higher still. Here are the statistics as compiled by _______. Just have a look at the LAPD most wanted page on the web and you can see that this is true.")

    Replies: @anon, @Former Darfur

  48. @WGG
    Scott Adams suggests that jihadists and other Muslim terrorists are basically suffering from chronic, long-term blue balls.

    He says the old rich guys hoard all the chicks, leaving the young bucks squirming with deviant energy- like a dog that tears up the house when his owner is away.

    Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve's theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.

    I don't know, though, it kind of just seems like they have to tear down the obviously superior Western civilization to prove God is on their side. Many people, including Europeans of the past, used success as a measure of God's pleasure with them. So, as of right now, I'd say it's pretty obvious God is against them. To top it off, they've committed to this lame, no fun, heartless, cannibalistic religion and it's staring them in the face daily that it isn't even correct. But, like most humans, they choose to double-down and try to force or cheat their way into the winner's circle, instead of admitting they made a mistake.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Former Darfur, @Jim

    The biggest problem with Muslims isn’t what their book says. All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally. The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with, and then pumped full of animus by their imams and clerics, and their extended families, and then turned loose on a deracinated, pussified, demoralized, and gelded Western world. And then the rulers of that world protect, mollycoddle and defend them.

    The French should have seen to it that at least a few Muslim car-burners were back-sprayed with le essence and wound up in the burn ward. It would have been an object lesson, like the heartwarming stories of copper thieves whose planned loot turned out to have 25 kV connected and hot, leaving a smoking pile of crispy critter for their homies to learn from.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Former Darfur


    All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally.
     
    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá'u'lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Replies: @Anonym, @Former Darfur, @Yngvar

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Former Darfur


    The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with
     
    This isn't about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don't generally bother people.

    Many of the violent terrorists are intelligent. The problem with them isn't IQ, it's aggressiveness, short temper, a disagreeableness, and an extremely tribal nature.

    If given the choice of immigrants or neighbors, almost everyone here would choose dumb, pleasant people over smart vicious people.

    Replies: @WGG, @Jefferson

  49. @Former Darfur
    @WGG

    The biggest problem with Muslims isn't what their book says. All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally. The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with, and then pumped full of animus by their imams and clerics, and their extended families, and then turned loose on a deracinated, pussified, demoralized, and gelded Western world. And then the rulers of that world protect, mollycoddle and defend them.

    The French should have seen to it that at least a few Muslim car-burners were back-sprayed with le essence and wound up in the burn ward. It would have been an object lesson, like the heartwarming stories of copper thieves whose planned loot turned out to have 25 kV connected and hot, leaving a smoking pile of crispy critter for their homies to learn from.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Massimo Heitor

    All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally.

    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá’u’lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Reg Cæsar

    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá’u’lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Thank you for saying that. This is testament to the behavior of people who become a fanatic about their religion, which can only be done by thorough knowledge of the holy text. A hardcore Christian may become a monk, missionary, pastor or just live a typical pleasant white picket fence style life. They will not generally go into other countries to wage war as a result of their Christianity or do the things that typical pious Muslims do. Muslims have a different sort of piety - a predatory piety - that is not equivalent.

    I am less familiar with the other religions you mentioned. Each will have their quirks. Confucius followers will be more corrupt as a result for example.

    It is worth reading the Koran. It is only 4/5 the size of the New Testament, and written over a very short time relatively, which makes it more cohesive.

    , @Former Darfur
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm completely ignorant of all of those except for Jesus of Nazareth, who himself seemed reasonable, but he did say this: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it.



    https://carm.org/questions/about-jesus/what-did-jesus-teach-about-old-testament

    Replies: @Ozymandias

    , @Yngvar
    @Reg Cæsar

    The hateful Jesus:
    "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
    Matthew 10:34

  50. @Anonymous
    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won't hold my breath

    Replies: @asdf, @anon, @Massimo Heitor, @Former Darfur, @andy russia

    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    that’s gotta be a textbook example of “passive-aggressive.” Treat us well (passive) or else! (aggressive)

    I just tried to picture a guy in Victorian times saying something like this. In a haughty British accent: yo, Zulus, it would befit you to treat our people well…. nope, doesn’t compute.

    The West created a new civilization, because it created a new type of man.

  51. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    No, they take to crime like duck takes to water. Mostly it’s money laundering for the cartels and local dealers, paper hanging, gun running, running prostitution rings and the like. They aren’t very good fighters so they avoid the street thugging that the blacks and Mexicans are notorious for.

    What secular people don’t get about them is this. Their religion condones the screwing over of infidels(us) and even killing us as part of their religious obligations. Our women are seen as cattle to be used and disposed off as they see fit. In business they see it as okay to rip off the customer and treat him like shit if possible.

    They’re predators and we’re prey. It’s that simple.

    It’s the same reasoning that led the Muzzies to take our merchant ships and enslave their crews after the American Revolution. Later when our Navy and Marines beat the savages back, our ambassador asked the greasy fingered Muzzie warlord why he went after our ships. He replied to the effect that it was a form of taxation(Jiza) on the infidels.

    • Agree: BB753
  52. If you ask why France has so many angry Muslims, you’ll hear a laundry list of reasons specific to France:

    – French Muslims tend to live in soulless suburban housing projects rather than in vibrant inner city neighborhoods.

    – The intifada in France is delayed payback for French colonization of North Africa. ”

    I have been to France many times. There are Vietnamese immgirants in France , and they aren’t attacking civilians with bombs and guns . There are refugees from lots of 3rd world countries, from Sri Lanka to Eritrea . There are plenty of Hindu and Christian refugees who have become citizens. It is the Muslims who refuse to integrate and resort to violent attacks.

    In summary, it’s less the specific things that Europeans try to do that anger Arab Muslims, it’s just that Arab Muslims tend to have chips on their shoulders.

    I’ve lived in the MidEast ; my perception of Arabs , specifically Muslim Arabs, is that they are arrogant , feel entitled to get things always their way and it’s always me,me,me and tribe/clan/sect. They always want to takeover/bully others to capitulate. The North Africans in France who have largely shunned Islam and Arab cultural identity are much more amneable to integrate. The Muslims wants the French to change to suit Islamic sensitivities.

  53. Belgium gathers together Catholics who speak both French and a local version of German…

    A few others have already pointed out that Flemish is Dutch, but I suppose you could argue that English is a local version of German.

    A Dutch co-worker once told me that the Flemish speak better Dutch than the Dutch do.

  54. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    It is much easier to get rich in the US than in Europe. Far more economic opportunities here . Europe is crowded, much harder and way slower to get rich/affluent. This is true not just for Muslims but for everyone.
    There are lots of non Muslim immigrants in Europe too, but they aren’t making the news for all the wrong reasons. There are lots of Buddhists,Hindus , Sikhs and Christians in the UK from 3rd world countries but the Pedo gangs preying on native Brits is almost exclusively by Pakistani Muslim immigrants.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @greysquirrell

    It's a lot harder to get really wealthy in Europe, but easier to become "comfortably working class", that is, to be a factory worker or a low level person in service industries with a decent apartment and health care and so forth. In a lot of ways, a heavy equipment operator or aircraft mechanic or something like that lives better, certainly in Germany, probably in France or Scandinavia, than in the United States, or at least much of it.

    Especially if they have children. You don't scrimp and save for your children's education or health care in Europe.

    Replies: @E. Burke

  55. @LeftyLawyer
    These are the guys to watch out for. Not the mythical jihadis to be embedded with refugees that all the Republican politicians are screaming about.

    Why go to the trouble of embedding jihadi fighters with refugees, having them be interviewed by ICE, and wait years to be approved. Much easier to get some of the French or Belgium brothers who have visa-free access to the US to hop a plane to NY, California, or wherever.

    Which brings up an interesting point. Starting in the late 1990's (I forget the year), the visa waiver program was modified to include an ESTA requirement - https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/ . This means that even if you come from a visa waiver country like France, Belgium, or the UK (another jihadi hotspot), you have to go online, fill out a form with your passport and other identifying information, and get an approval to board a plane to go to the US. Presumably these applications are then checked against some sort of watch list or lists. You are supposed to so this at least 72 hours before departure, but if you are low risk you can be approved immediately (this I know from experience of friends.)

    So, the question - if Abdelhamid Abaaoud (the "mastermind" of the Paris attacks) had filled out the online ESTA application two weeks ago using his Belgian passport, would he have gotten the approval to come to the US? Or would his name have shown up on a list (it should have, he was known to the French as a bad actor), and he would have been rejected? Same question for the other European passport holders among the Paris attackers.

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    Replies: @anon, @rod1963

    We should stop both. There is no reason to import what amounts to a horde of Muslim colonists into the U.S. who will never have any loyalty to the state, respect it’s laws and culture. Let them stay in their cess pits and butcher each other. It’s apparently the only thing they are good at.

  56. Steve, talking about “Arab Muslims” is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that “American Christians” are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe’s problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims – it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet"

    The French colonial official who dines with William Boot in Waugh's "Scoop" wonders why the British want to take over Ishmaelia (Ethiopia):



    "'It is not rich at all. If it were rich, it would already belong to England. Why do you wish to take it?' ... said the functionary, growing vexed at such unreasonable rapacity."
     
    , @G Pinfold
    @Peter Akuleyev

    You identify one fallacy, only to commit another. This is the 'devil you know' problem. Sub-saharan Christians are as problematic as Muslims of any complexion. This is where we agree, and it bears repeating, because fads (such as Islam) are fleeting but HBD is forever (or at least a very long time).

    But please cite evidence of the superior qualities of Anglophone or Lusiphone Africans.

    , @German_reader
    @Peter Akuleyev

    " but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires."

    Umm, Rotherham? 7/7? Tower Hamlets? Seems a bit absurd to claim that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are less trouble than France's Muslims. In fact polls and studies indicate that Britain has the most radical Muslims in all of Europe.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    , @Jim
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes, it is basically polynucleotides. Religions is secondary.

    , @Jefferson
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Steve, talking about “Arab Muslims” is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that “American Christians” are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world."

    Saying most Black thugs in the U.S are Christians is like say Adolf Hitler was a Christian. I doubt that the Blacks doing drive by shootings and running crack houses are reading the bible on a regular basis and attending church every Sunday just like minister Mike Huckabee and Pastor Rick Warren. You throw around the word "Christian" way too loosely.

    " Europe’s problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims – it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry"

    North Africans are Arab. It is considered part of the Arab.

    "To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans."

    You can find plenty of Egyptians on welfare living in the Muslim housing projects of France. NOBODY in France associates Egyptian immigrants and their off springs with the affluent class. Nobody in France says Egyptians are the Jews or the Han Chinese of the Muslim world in terms being a very successful immigrant group.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet"

    The French colonial official who dines with William Boot in Waugh's "Scoop" wonders why the British want to take over Ishmaelia (Ethiopia):



    "'It is not rich at all. If it were rich, it would already belong to England. Why do you wish to take it?' ... said the functionary, growing vexed at such unreasonable rapacity."
     
  57. Actually, if we wanted to cut the Gordian knot, there is a fairly simple solution here. We need to simply wipe Saudi Arabia off the face of the map. Wiping out the Saudis, the Wahabis and all their funding would probably reduce Muslim extremism by 50% overnight. I would personally pay higher gas prices to see that happen.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Peter Akuleyev

    The House of Saud is about the most corrupt, lazy, venal and self-centered bunch on the planet.

    A trillion or two would buy them off to lifetimes of Swiss luxury exile and we could probably recruit a mercenary force of a couple thousand to systematically slaughter the Wahhabi-round them up, every last one, and shoot them in the back of the head with a Tokarev, a la Katyn Forest, for a couple hundred million.

    It would be relatively cheap and save millions of lives, but the world's Muslims would then worship us, in a Stockholm Syndrome writ large, and the moral hazard to us would be our undoing. It would be like that episode of Star Trek...

  58. @greysquirrell
    @NOTA

    It is much easier to get rich in the US than in Europe. Far more economic opportunities here . Europe is crowded, much harder and way slower to get rich/affluent. This is true not just for Muslims but for everyone.
    There are lots of non Muslim immigrants in Europe too, but they aren't making the news for all the wrong reasons. There are lots of Buddhists,Hindus , Sikhs and Christians in the UK from 3rd world countries but the Pedo gangs preying on native Brits is almost exclusively by Pakistani Muslim immigrants.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    It’s a lot harder to get really wealthy in Europe, but easier to become “comfortably working class”, that is, to be a factory worker or a low level person in service industries with a decent apartment and health care and so forth. In a lot of ways, a heavy equipment operator or aircraft mechanic or something like that lives better, certainly in Germany, probably in France or Scandinavia, than in the United States, or at least much of it.

    Especially if they have children. You don’t scrimp and save for your children’s education or health care in Europe.

    • Replies: @E. Burke
    @Former Darfur

    This was my impression as well during brief travels in France, Germany, and Italy. If working-class Americans knew how much better the Germans, in particular, have it, there would be a revolution here.

    Replies: @Dain

  59. @Peter Akuleyev
    Actually, if we wanted to cut the Gordian knot, there is a fairly simple solution here. We need to simply wipe Saudi Arabia off the face of the map. Wiping out the Saudis, the Wahabis and all their funding would probably reduce Muslim extremism by 50% overnight. I would personally pay higher gas prices to see that happen.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    The House of Saud is about the most corrupt, lazy, venal and self-centered bunch on the planet.

    A trillion or two would buy them off to lifetimes of Swiss luxury exile and we could probably recruit a mercenary force of a couple thousand to systematically slaughter the Wahhabi-round them up, every last one, and shoot them in the back of the head with a Tokarev, a la Katyn Forest, for a couple hundred million.

    It would be relatively cheap and save millions of lives, but the world’s Muslims would then worship us, in a Stockholm Syndrome writ large, and the moral hazard to us would be our undoing. It would be like that episode of Star Trek…

  60. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    “I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet”

    The French colonial official who dines with William Boot in Waugh’s “Scoop” wonders why the British want to take over Ishmaelia (Ethiopia):

    “‘It is not rich at all. If it were rich, it would already belong to England. Why do you wish to take it?’ … said the functionary, growing vexed at such unreasonable rapacity.”

  61. @jtgw
    Flemish is a variety of Dutch, not German, though there is a German-speaking minority in the east of the country.

    The important questions is this: do Belgian Muslim fanatics attack Belgians? Why do they bother going to France to carry out atrocities? Could it be that it is because France is implicated in atrocities in Muslim countries, while Belgium is not? If these fanatics just had a general hatred of everything Western, if their anger had nothing to do with certain Western countries' foreign policies, then you would expect each country's terrorists to be satisfied with blowing things up in their countries of residence.

    Replies: @22pp22, @G Pinfold

    That’s like asking why the 9/11 terrorists didn’t take out two tall buildings in New Jersey.

  62. @22pp22
    @jtgw

    Actually when Belgium was separated from Holland, the elites spoke French all over the Belgium and the hoi polloi spoke dialects of Dutch and French that were usually so weird that they could only communicate in their home provinces. This meant that, at the time, Belgium didn't seem too artificial. It was devoutly Catholic and had existed as a political unit under Spanish or Austrian rule for generations. As education spread, the linguistic division became harder and harder to hide especially as the educated burgers of Antwerp swapped French for Dutch in their day to day lives.

    In the nineteenth century, the coal mines of the south meant that the French speaking regions were vastly richer than the much despised peasants in Flanders, but these industries have long since disappeared and Flanders overtook la Wallonie in per capita wealth in 1960. The difference is now vast.

    Brussels is actually the capital of Flanders but the fact that the court was French speaking has turned the city Francophone. The disputed status of Brussels is now just about the only thing keeping Belgium together - especially the status of the increasingly Franchophone suburbs in the south that separated the city from the rest of French-speaking Belgium.

    Belgian French is now virtually identical to the language on the other side of the frontier although they say things like 'Je viens avec' meaning 'I'll come with you'. That sounds weird to a Parisian and clearly reflects the influence of Dutch (Ik kom mee).

    The small German-speaking areas were given to Belgium at the end of WWI to punish the Germans.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @g Pinfold

    Fascinating. In South Africa, even the Anglophones use the expression ‘can I come with?’ It’s influenced by the Afrikaans (Flemish like Dutch dialect) as so many Saf colloquialisms are.

    I was recently surprised that a Belgian colleague (nickname frenchie) had no knowledge of Dutch/Flaams. I tried to draw him out with my Boere musiek, but he was steadfast. He knew no word of Hollands, nor did he wish to.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @g Pinfold

    Chicagoans say "come with" while Los Angelenos say "come with you."

    Replies: @G pinfold, @Mike Zwick

  63. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    You identify one fallacy, only to commit another. This is the ‘devil you know’ problem. Sub-saharan Christians are as problematic as Muslims of any complexion. This is where we agree, and it bears repeating, because fads (such as Islam) are fleeting but HBD is forever (or at least a very long time).

    But please cite evidence of the superior qualities of Anglophone or Lusiphone Africans.

  64. @g Pinfold
    @22pp22

    Fascinating. In South Africa, even the Anglophones use the expression 'can I come with?' It's influenced by the Afrikaans (Flemish like Dutch dialect) as so many Saf colloquialisms are.

    I was recently surprised that a Belgian colleague (nickname frenchie) had no knowledge of Dutch/Flaams. I tried to draw him out with my Boere musiek, but he was steadfast. He knew no word of Hollands, nor did he wish to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Chicagoans say “come with” while Los Angelenos say “come with you.”

    • Replies: @G pinfold
    @Steve Sailer

    So Germanic N Midwest versus standard LA?

    , @Mike Zwick
    @Steve Sailer

    This got on the nerves of a friend from New York when he visited Chicago.

  65. @Lagertha
    @NOTA

    yeah, whatever. Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100's to Syria/ISIS - don't forget about the sleazy airport workers who were busted for gun-running this year. And, I can never get the image of the Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell out of my mind, forever...in my beloved NYC. So, yeah, not convinced.

    And, since when do host countries have to work hard/be responsible for Muslims or Mexicans, or whatever, to assimilate? When I moved to the US with no English language skills, I was on my own. I'm sick of all the babying of people who emigrate but just can't cope. Don't move if you can't accept hardship to learn how to rely on yourself. And, you must accept the laws of the host country. And, the host country's culture supersedes your culture in your land that you left behind - get over yourself. snap.

    Replies: @E. Burke, @Reg Cæsar, @Yngvar

    OK, perhaps Muslim immigration is not yet a major problem here in the US, but that is all the more reason for it to be tightly-restricted, so we don’t incur the problems that Europe is dealing with now.

  66. @Former Darfur
    @greysquirrell

    It's a lot harder to get really wealthy in Europe, but easier to become "comfortably working class", that is, to be a factory worker or a low level person in service industries with a decent apartment and health care and so forth. In a lot of ways, a heavy equipment operator or aircraft mechanic or something like that lives better, certainly in Germany, probably in France or Scandinavia, than in the United States, or at least much of it.

    Especially if they have children. You don't scrimp and save for your children's education or health care in Europe.

    Replies: @E. Burke

    This was my impression as well during brief travels in France, Germany, and Italy. If working-class Americans knew how much better the Germans, in particular, have it, there would be a revolution here.

    • Replies: @Dain
    @E. Burke

    I'm inclined to agree. But then I think of working class Americans in the southern portion of the country who love all their toys. Jet skis, a big yard, a massive TV, a rockin' customized RV. Europeans don't typically have all of that and their living spaces are super small. (My friend's Copenhagen apartment was the size of a large walk-in closet.)

  67. @Steve Sailer
    @g Pinfold

    Chicagoans say "come with" while Los Angelenos say "come with you."

    Replies: @G pinfold, @Mike Zwick

    So Germanic N Midwest versus standard LA?

  68. Does anyone ever call these people out for making obvious threats in their “articles”? That last paragraph is pretty blatant.

  69. @Massimo Heitor
    Obama is shaming right wing whites in US and Europe and telling them to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting the Muslims committing acts of terror.

    When whites commit terroristic evil, like the Dylan Roof episode, do we ask the communities of the black victims to walk on eggshells to avoid provoking more terror? That would be absurd!

    The leaders should be shaming the Muslim terrorists, and the large numbers of Muslims that feel comfortable enough to openly cheer and support the terrorists. And if Muslims want to live in Europe and the US, they should be the ones walking on eggshells and bending over backwards to integrate, not the whites giving out charity.

    The way to combat terror is to deeply, institutionally shame and humiliate the terrorists and those those that support them. The Charlie Hebdo cartoonists were completely peaceful and polite. Western governments shouldn't cater to the demands of the evil terrorists, they should adopt the Charlie Hebdo Mohammed portrait as a symbol of western society and blanket it far and wide to show the world how far evil terror will go.

    Replies: @NOTA, @EriK

    When whites commit terroristic evil, like the Dylan Roof episode, do we ask the communities of the black victims to walk on eggshells to avoid provoking more terror? That would be absurd!

    Bingo

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @g Pinfold

    Chicagoans say "come with" while Los Angelenos say "come with you."

    Replies: @G pinfold, @Mike Zwick

    This got on the nerves of a friend from New York when he visited Chicago.

  71. American pay top dollar to live in soulless suburban housing projects!

  72. Belgium isn’t a real country, Wallonia should go to France and Flanders to Netherlands, Brussels should become a independent City-State of be annexed by France since its speaks French and the Belgium Terrorists seems to have such a hardon for France.

  73. @Flip
    They speak Dutch/Flemish in Belgium, not German.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    I think Steve was referring to Dutch/Flemish as a GermanIC language. So is English. But the history of Belgium has little to do with that clash of civilizations – it has more to do with the dynastic politics of Europe, where power passed back and forth between the Dukes of Burgundy and the House of Habsburg.

  74. @Former Darfur
    @WGG

    The biggest problem with Muslims isn't what their book says. All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally. The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with, and then pumped full of animus by their imams and clerics, and their extended families, and then turned loose on a deracinated, pussified, demoralized, and gelded Western world. And then the rulers of that world protect, mollycoddle and defend them.

    The French should have seen to it that at least a few Muslim car-burners were back-sprayed with le essence and wound up in the burn ward. It would have been an object lesson, like the heartwarming stories of copper thieves whose planned loot turned out to have 25 kV connected and hot, leaving a smoking pile of crispy critter for their homies to learn from.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Massimo Heitor

    The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with

    This isn’t about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don’t generally bother people.

    Many of the violent terrorists are intelligent. The problem with them isn’t IQ, it’s aggressiveness, short temper, a disagreeableness, and an extremely tribal nature.

    If given the choice of immigrants or neighbors, almost everyone here would choose dumb, pleasant people over smart vicious people.

    • Replies: @WGG
    @Massimo Heitor

    The aggressiveness, short temper, disagreeableness and extremely tribal nature come from, or are at least greatly magnified by Islam.


    It's not just that Islam has some violent passages. It's that Islam is a "winners" religion; it is all about getting more gibs/ stuff for yourself to then share with the others. Talmudic Judaism is this way, too, although since they are specifically waiting for an earthly savior, they show more patience and cleverness in the ways and which they go about trying to be the winners of life.


    Christianity, while Abrahamic by lineage, is much closer to the variant forms of Buddhism and Hinduism, in that the goal is to perfect oneself through self-sacrifice in order to serve or be close to God. These are earthly "losers" religions. Zoroastrianism, Taoism and others also fit here.


    Yet: The (white) Christians of the world have actually been the winners. We have built the beautiful, peaceful, rich, just and desirable societies of the world. Even the Buddhists and Zoroastrians have built better societies than Jews or Muslims ever have.


    This is unacceptable to the self-declared "winners." *They* are the ones entitled to good things, not us. Jews have emulated and adapted, and are attempting to rule these good societies which they themselves could not build. Muslims, on the other hand, have been incapable of emulating prosperous societies. Therefore, in order to be the "winners" in which they take first place for riches and achievement, they must destroy all superior societies. Once you kill off first and second place, third place becomes first place.


    What's funny is that if you look at the list of "winners" religions vs. "losers" religions, you see that the "losers" usually *do* achieve more. I think it is a teach-a-man-to-fish scenario. While we losers spend generations teaching ourselves to be better fisherman, the "winners" religions keep demanding someone give them more fish. Anger and resentment are the direct result of such entitled thinking.

    , @Jefferson
    @Massimo Heitor

    "This isn’t about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don’t generally bother people."

    The dumb low IQ 3rd world ethnic group I have had the most positive experiences with are Catholic Filipinos. I would certainly take them over Arab Muslims any day.

  75. German_reader says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    ” but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.”

    Umm, Rotherham? 7/7? Tower Hamlets? Seems a bit absurd to claim that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are less trouble than France’s Muslims. In fact polls and studies indicate that Britain has the most radical Muslims in all of Europe.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @German_reader

    True but there seems to be something peculiarly nasty about the Maghreb muslims.

    The "cigarette" intimidation of whites - if you don't give you are attacked; if you do you are their bitch - for example. This is so prevalent there are websites about this.

    The car burning. The very aggressive displays following a home sporting victory.

    But maybe this vibrancy varies from country to country depending on the nature of the insults that the native populations will put up with. I hope France is changing finally.

  76. It’s a strange place, ultra-civilized, highly competent, and somewhat bland, but with a certain sinister Italian Renaissance undertone.

    Great line.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @IBC



    It’s a strange place, ultra-civilized, highly competent, and somewhat bland, but with a certain sinister Italian Renaissance undertone.
     
    Great line.

     

    I always thought "The Racial Overtones" would be a great name for a vocal group.
  77. Nice to see that both sides have so many simple solutions. Too bad that simple solutions to complex problems are usually also pretty stupid.

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/18/the-draw-of-the-death-cult/

  78. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    @Former Darfur


    The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with
     
    This isn't about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don't generally bother people.

    Many of the violent terrorists are intelligent. The problem with them isn't IQ, it's aggressiveness, short temper, a disagreeableness, and an extremely tribal nature.

    If given the choice of immigrants or neighbors, almost everyone here would choose dumb, pleasant people over smart vicious people.

    Replies: @WGG, @Jefferson

    The aggressiveness, short temper, disagreeableness and extremely tribal nature come from, or are at least greatly magnified by Islam.

    It’s not just that Islam has some violent passages. It’s that Islam is a “winners” religion; it is all about getting more gibs/ stuff for yourself to then share with the others. Talmudic Judaism is this way, too, although since they are specifically waiting for an earthly savior, they show more patience and cleverness in the ways and which they go about trying to be the winners of life.

    Christianity, while Abrahamic by lineage, is much closer to the variant forms of Buddhism and Hinduism, in that the goal is to perfect oneself through self-sacrifice in order to serve or be close to God. These are earthly “losers” religions. Zoroastrianism, Taoism and others also fit here.

    Yet: The (white) Christians of the world have actually been the winners. We have built the beautiful, peaceful, rich, just and desirable societies of the world. Even the Buddhists and Zoroastrians have built better societies than Jews or Muslims ever have.

    This is unacceptable to the self-declared “winners.” *They* are the ones entitled to good things, not us. Jews have emulated and adapted, and are attempting to rule these good societies which they themselves could not build. Muslims, on the other hand, have been incapable of emulating prosperous societies. Therefore, in order to be the “winners” in which they take first place for riches and achievement, they must destroy all superior societies. Once you kill off first and second place, third place becomes first place.

    What’s funny is that if you look at the list of “winners” religions vs. “losers” religions, you see that the “losers” usually *do* achieve more. I think it is a teach-a-man-to-fish scenario. While we losers spend generations teaching ourselves to be better fisherman, the “winners” religions keep demanding someone give them more fish. Anger and resentment are the direct result of such entitled thinking.

  79. @Lagertha
    @WGG

    well, the idea that "it all comes down to sex, or lack of it," was the 2nd post of mine on this blog a while back...boy, was that a big mistake, too! Ha, haa. I make a total fool out of myself all the time.

    My brother and I used to talk about this idea of sexual frustration (Muslim men can not indiscriminately date in their community at all) a lot during the early 90's when the Jihadis were streaming into Bosnia, and especially after 9/11 when we were both living in NYC. But, you are correct; it is all about the id; well, at least in my opinion.

    Replies: @iffen

    Sexual frustration is only one facet. It is the totality of the energy of young adult males. Lots of problems in complex, individualist and competitive societies like ours. We end up with thousands of un-disciplined, un-initiated (into manhood) young men that terrorize each other, the women around them and society in general.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @iffen

    I have 3 sons. One is a virgin ( a mother knows this: FY! don't f*cking ask how I even know this!) But, my sons fear women, yet they love women (well, 'girls' in their parlance) ...they fear this competition, they fear women will not want them...this is universal....it is crummy...it really is. But, it may not be next week- young people are fickle.

    Only your mother truly loves that face of yours and brags about your talents and accomplishments forever. Like my sons, every son must forge their own path. If they have the love of their father and mother (or one of them) they will be fine. Every young person must take in to account the people who love them and want them to make a difference in establishing peace among humans or saving the planet from total loss of water....oops. gettin' into Blade Runner frame of mind.

    , @Lagertha
    @iffen

    these young men that you speak of, need to know that no one, and nothing, no religion nor thought process has dominion over them. Simple. "to thine own self be true." Death is not a good option because no one will remember you or wants to remember you when you've offed yourself - road kill is similar to that visual of dead stuff that I want to avoid on country roads. Your parents want you to go beyond what they dreamed of reaching. Or, in current parlance: getta life! Figure it out! Go to school! School is free for god's sake! Education frees you. I am still a student as a woman on the "back 9" so to speak. I love school.

    Replies: @iffen

  80. @NOTA
    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US--you don't generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here. My guess is that we got a better class of Muslim immigrants than fhe UK, and a much better class than France.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Lagertha, @Auntie Analogue, @rod1963, @greysquirrell, @Rob McX

    Muslims always seem to have “assimilated well” while their numbers remain below a certain level, even though they’re at least as bad as any other immigrant group, including sub-Saharan Africans.

    The thing about Muslim crime and dysfunction is a lot of it goes under the radar for a long time. The sort of crime they’re good at is fraud and corruption of all kinds, the kind of thing that nets a lot of money but without the sort of headline-grabbing activity that armed robbery, mugging and home invasion requires.

    There are two reasons for that. They’re more intelligent than blacks, who tend to commit more crimes for less money, and crimes of a more violent nature with a greater risk of detection. Secondly, they have close-knit and insular communities and families, which makes it much harder for the authorities to get any leads on what’s going on. Their gangs rarely involve anyone from outside their community. This tight ethnic cohesion also covers up a lot of other dysfunction, such as marrying close relatives.

  81. @NOTA
    @Massimo Heitor

    Among civilized people (Muslims included), I don't think it's even possible to have a worse image or reputation than ISIS. Even Al Qaida apparently thinks they go too far. The "moderate" opposition we keep funding and the Russians keep bombing are, as I understand it, pretty nasty fundamentalists themselves by our standards, and yet they, too, hate ISIS. I'm pretty skeptical we can get anymore mileage out of shame or revulsion.

    I have no good idea about what to do about them. If anyone has ever deserved bombing, they're the ones, but we've been bombing and occupying in that region for 13 years or so at this point, and so far, it hasn't turned out too well for us. Russia's plan to prop up Assad doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world--Assad is nasty, but better than ISIS--though I don't know how well that can work at this point. Very few of our plans intervening in the middle east seem to turn out well.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Jim

    We cannot change the Moslem world. Our disastrous interventions there have only increased instability and generated massive refugee flows now destabilizing Europe. The sensible thing to do is to end Moslem immigration into the West and to expel the Moslems already living there back to where they came from.

    The west must separate itself from the Moslem World if it is to survive. Involvement in the black holes of internal Middle Eastern conflict is extremally unwise.

  82. @WGG
    Scott Adams suggests that jihadists and other Muslim terrorists are basically suffering from chronic, long-term blue balls.

    He says the old rich guys hoard all the chicks, leaving the young bucks squirming with deviant energy- like a dog that tears up the house when his owner is away.

    Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve's theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.

    I don't know, though, it kind of just seems like they have to tear down the obviously superior Western civilization to prove God is on their side. Many people, including Europeans of the past, used success as a measure of God's pleasure with them. So, as of right now, I'd say it's pretty obvious God is against them. To top it off, they've committed to this lame, no fun, heartless, cannibalistic religion and it's staring them in the face daily that it isn't even correct. But, like most humans, they choose to double-down and try to force or cheat their way into the winner's circle, instead of admitting they made a mistake.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Former Darfur, @Jim

    Islam and the West have been in frequently bloody conflict for over 1,300 years. It is fantasy to believe that this conflict will end in the forseeable future. It is now intensyfing.

  83. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    Yes, it is basically polynucleotides. Religions is secondary.

  84. @Reg Cæsar
    @verylongaccountname


    Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists — as long as they play nice on Belgian soil
     
    Belgium: the Canada of Europe. In more ways than one.

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Anonymous

    The 9/11 terrorists had no dealings with Canada. Your people let em in and trained them to fly, stop spreading old rumors.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BurplesonAFB



    The 9/11 terrorists had no dealings with Canada. Your people let em in and trained them to fly, stop spreading old rumors.

     

    I said nothing about Mohammed Scorpion's Flying Circus. Canada's reputation predates 2001.
  85. Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve’s theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.

    I think GuessedWorker of Majority Rights was arguing this at GNXP (when Razib or Godless Communist weren’t deleting his comments) like 10 years ago.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Svigor

    That brings back memories Svigor... good times!

  86. @E. Burke
    @Former Darfur

    This was my impression as well during brief travels in France, Germany, and Italy. If working-class Americans knew how much better the Germans, in particular, have it, there would be a revolution here.

    Replies: @Dain

    I’m inclined to agree. But then I think of working class Americans in the southern portion of the country who love all their toys. Jet skis, a big yard, a massive TV, a rockin’ customized RV. Europeans don’t typically have all of that and their living spaces are super small. (My friend’s Copenhagen apartment was the size of a large walk-in closet.)

  87. @Bill B.
    A swath of French humanist and migrants rights organisations that have been furiously victim blaming and not mentioning Islam in recent days have been attacked by Riposte Laïque.

    I don't think this cut from the headline needs much translation:

    "des islamo-fellateurs immigrationnistes"


    http://ripostelaique.com/betisier-islamo-fellateurs-immigrationnistes-de-goche.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “des islamo-fellateurs immigrationnistes”

    How did we ever make it through the Clinton era without the word fellateuse?

    Oh, well… another Clinton era may be on its way.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

  88. @IBC

    It’s a strange place, ultra-civilized, highly competent, and somewhat bland, but with a certain sinister Italian Renaissance undertone.
     
    Great line.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s a strange place, ultra-civilized, highly competent, and somewhat bland, but with a certain sinister Italian Renaissance undertone.

    Great line.

    I always thought “The Racial Overtones” would be a great name for a vocal group.

  89. @Lagertha
    @NOTA

    yeah, whatever. Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100's to Syria/ISIS - don't forget about the sleazy airport workers who were busted for gun-running this year. And, I can never get the image of the Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell out of my mind, forever...in my beloved NYC. So, yeah, not convinced.

    And, since when do host countries have to work hard/be responsible for Muslims or Mexicans, or whatever, to assimilate? When I moved to the US with no English language skills, I was on my own. I'm sick of all the babying of people who emigrate but just can't cope. Don't move if you can't accept hardship to learn how to rely on yourself. And, you must accept the laws of the host country. And, the host country's culture supersedes your culture in your land that you left behind - get over yourself. snap.

    Replies: @E. Burke, @Reg Cæsar, @Yngvar

    Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100′s to Syria/

    I think it’s more like dozens. Either way, we’re not complaining!

  90. @Svigor
    Nuttiest thing about the NPR piece on Belgium's jihadis (that word - among many others - was never used) was how the host repeatedly stated that Belgium had a duty to not let jihadis leave the country to go fight in the ME or engage in terrorism in other countries. W...T...F? Like Europe nothing more than a series of roach motels for Muslims.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Good metaphor.

    Let the jihadis go – but do not let them back.

    Can’t be stateless; human rights; honest mistake; what about the Spanish civil war?

    Stuff it: they coldly and deliberately choose a vile, theocracy that is engaged in a war à outrance against Western Civilisation.

    They have crossed over to the dark side. They are traitors, if indeed they were ever “ours”.

  91. @Reg Cæsar
    @Former Darfur


    All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally.
     
    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá'u'lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Replies: @Anonym, @Former Darfur, @Yngvar

    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá’u’lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Thank you for saying that. This is testament to the behavior of people who become a fanatic about their religion, which can only be done by thorough knowledge of the holy text. A hardcore Christian may become a monk, missionary, pastor or just live a typical pleasant white picket fence style life. They will not generally go into other countries to wage war as a result of their Christianity or do the things that typical pious Muslims do. Muslims have a different sort of piety – a predatory piety – that is not equivalent.

    I am less familiar with the other religions you mentioned. Each will have their quirks. Confucius followers will be more corrupt as a result for example.

    It is worth reading the Koran. It is only 4/5 the size of the New Testament, and written over a very short time relatively, which makes it more cohesive.

  92. @German_reader
    @Peter Akuleyev

    " but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires."

    Umm, Rotherham? 7/7? Tower Hamlets? Seems a bit absurd to claim that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are less trouble than France's Muslims. In fact polls and studies indicate that Britain has the most radical Muslims in all of Europe.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    True but there seems to be something peculiarly nasty about the Maghreb muslims.

    The “cigarette” intimidation of whites – if you don’t give you are attacked; if you do you are their bitch – for example. This is so prevalent there are websites about this.

    The car burning. The very aggressive displays following a home sporting victory.

    But maybe this vibrancy varies from country to country depending on the nature of the insults that the native populations will put up with. I hope France is changing finally.

  93. @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Europeans would do well not to treat Muslims like shit.

    Judging by the behavior of white people I won’t hold my breath
     
    Muslims are slaughtering white civilians in their homelands. Is that the gold standard of behavior? No where are whites intentionally murdering Muslim civilians like that. If whites treat muslims so badly, then I'm sure Muslims will avoid the US and Europe and Australia where they live and govern.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    And the two plus million Iraqi’s murdered by Bush? The Somali’s? The Libyans? The Yemeni’s?

  94. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill B.


    “des islamo-fellateurs immigrationnistes”

     

    How did we ever make it through the Clinton era without the word fellateuse?

    Oh, well... another Clinton era may be on its way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX



    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

     

    And you know this because...?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @Former Darfur
    @Rob McX

    The irony is that the highest level of talent in that field consists quite often of Arab Muslim women. Muslim girls under the thumb of their family dare not get involved with infidel men, of course, but there are always those in the West who manage to fly the coop, and once so liberated they often go crazy. I wonder if part of the undiscussed opposition to kicking out the Muslims is from men who don't want the supply of 'beurettes' squelched.

  95. How about changing the name of European nations?

    France could be Frangeria.

    UK could be UKistan.

    Germany could be Germabia.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Germany could be Germabia
     
    Allemanatolia.

    Or Germanatolia. Istanberlin. Frankara.

    They got the Turks.
  96. @anon
    @LeftyLawyer

    Making sure that hole is plugged up and stays plugged up would be a lot more productive than worrying about the mythical Syrian refugee jihadi.

    No reason we can't worry about both.

    Replies: @LeftyLawyer

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    What we are seeing in Europe, and to some extent in the US (Tsarnaev, e.g.) – it’s the kids born in the West that are the problem. But, no one wants to say the publicly, because it sounds a tad too racist to talk about later generations – so everyone focuses on the non-existent problem.

    Kind of like Trump. Statistically, it’s the American born kids of the Mexican immigrants that are the bigger problem than the immigrants themselves. No one says that publicly. But why be bothered with facts?

    (I always though Trump would get more traction if he said “when I said they are all rapists and murderers it was just a figure of speech – but, the fact is that the crime rate of Mexican immigrants is higher than the native population, and of their children it is even higher still. Here are the statistics as compiled by _______. Just have a look at the LAPD most wanted page on the web and you can see that this is true.”)

    • Replies: @anon
    @LeftyLawyer

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    All right. Well, the fact is most people don't want them here. And another fact is, nobody REALLY cares about them.. They just pretend to in order to signal. And another fact is, there are millions of refugees, so only taking in 10,000 is a symbolic gesture, at best.

    So, no. There is no good reason to do it, that outweighs even the most miniscule reason NOT to do it.

    I realize that you get the real reason not to do it. That it's their kids we have to worry about. Can you understand that everybody ELSE realizes that also, but just can't say it?

    , @Former Darfur
    @LeftyLawyer

    Living in a midwest city with a substantial Vietnamese population, I observed that the people who came over as adults or older children were little trouble. The ones born here or too young to remember Vietnam were hellions, like Hell's Angels with (often stolen) Toyota Supras instead of Harleys. They were absolutely incapable of fitting in, or at least a large subset of them were. They'd collect welfare or deal dope, but they were too proud to pound rivets and too disinterested in school to learn anything that they could make a good living at. Even the ones born here would often have limited English skills, and it wasn't low IQ that was the problem-they were often capable of running rings around the black and mestizo underclass of the town. They grew up in an all-Vietnamese environment until they were school age and never catch up.

    Of course, by no means did all Vietnamese kids fit this profile, some were very successful. I'd say about a third became good all around solid citizens, a third a permanent hood underclass and a third somewhere in the middle.

  97. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @LeftyLawyer
    @anon

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    What we are seeing in Europe, and to some extent in the US (Tsarnaev, e.g.) - it's the kids born in the West that are the problem. But, no one wants to say the publicly, because it sounds a tad too racist to talk about later generations - so everyone focuses on the non-existent problem.

    Kind of like Trump. Statistically, it's the American born kids of the Mexican immigrants that are the bigger problem than the immigrants themselves. No one says that publicly. But why be bothered with facts?

    (I always though Trump would get more traction if he said "when I said they are all rapists and murderers it was just a figure of speech - but, the fact is that the crime rate of Mexican immigrants is higher than the native population, and of their children it is even higher still. Here are the statistics as compiled by _______. Just have a look at the LAPD most wanted page on the web and you can see that this is true.")

    Replies: @anon, @Former Darfur

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    All right. Well, the fact is most people don’t want them here. And another fact is, nobody REALLY cares about them.. They just pretend to in order to signal. And another fact is, there are millions of refugees, so only taking in 10,000 is a symbolic gesture, at best.

    So, no. There is no good reason to do it, that outweighs even the most miniscule reason NOT to do it.

    I realize that you get the real reason not to do it. That it’s their kids we have to worry about. Can you understand that everybody ELSE realizes that also, but just can’t say it?

  98. @Anon
    How about changing the name of European nations?

    France could be Frangeria.

    UK could be UKistan.

    Germany could be Germabia.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Germany could be Germabia

    Allemanatolia.

    Or Germanatolia. Istanberlin. Frankara.

    They got the Turks.

  99. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

    And you know this because…?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    This knowledge has been public for some time.

  100. anon • Disclaimer says:

    So, I woke up this morning to discover that the pro-refugee forces are going full-blast. And it seems they have one argument: if you don’t let these people in, you’re chicken.

    Screw this country. It is so stupid and juvenile that I’m starting to think the Muslims might as well just take it. It would serve them right, actually.

  101. @Svigor

    Seems a very Sailer-like postulate, so apologies if it was Steve’s theory first and I did not credit out of ignorance.
     
    I think GuessedWorker of Majority Rights was arguing this at GNXP (when Razib or Godless Communist weren't deleting his comments) like 10 years ago.

    Replies: @Anonym

    That brings back memories Svigor… good times!

  102. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX



    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

     

    And you know this because...?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    This knowledge has been public for some time.

  103. Finally there is some sensible analysis of the conflict between the West and Islam from Michael Brendan Dougherty.

    The intractable, insidious conflict between Islamism and the West

    So let’s face this hard truth: There is no easy “just [something]” solution because the West inadvertently co-authors Islamist terrorism.

    We know this is true on a basic level. In but one small example: ISIS used American arms to establish its caliphate. It steals them from the Iraqi army we made to fill in the chaos left behind after we smashed the Iraqi state. It steals them from “moderate” rebels we covertly armed in Syria.

    But the West also inadvertently abets Islamist terrorism at a deeper level, simply by being itself. The West has created a world order that is, in many ways, indifferent or hostile to Islamic society. This Western world order’s very existence is an affront to Islamic theology, and its humiliations reach deep into the Islamic world itself.

    In that sense, there is no way to militarily defeat Islamist terrorism, because Islamist terrorism is a plausible, if horrifying, response by a small number of extremist Muslims to the historical and theological crisis of Islamic civilization’s defeat and humiliation over centuries, first at the hands of secular states from Christendom, and more recently at the hands of a tiny Jewish state.

    In the West, governments have a more legitimate authority and a greater claim on our loyalty. Western governments institutionalize opposition, conciliation, and critique. Western governments also announce that they exist to protect freedom of speech (freedom to blaspheme), freedom of religion (freedom of unbelief), and freedom of choice (freedom to sin).

    This strikes a certain type of fundamentalist as damnable hubris. Especially when these liberal ideals are sent into the Islamic world through popular entertainment, through the coercion of international bodies and treaties, through the work of NGOs, and the attempts to win “hearts and minds” during the occasional war. Consider this quote from someone who was educated in the West.

    “If one allows the infidels to continue playing their role of corrupters on Earth, their eventual moral punishment will be all the stronger. Thus, if we kill the infidels in order to put a stop to their [corrupting] activities, we have indeed done them a service. For their eventual punishment will be less. To allow the infidels to stay alive means to let them do more corrupting. [To kill them] is a surgical operation commanded by Allah the Creator.” [Ayatollah Khomeini, 1984]

    English philosopher Roger Scruton, commenting on Khomeini’s reaction to the West, says of his sentiments:

    “[T]hey are a vivid testimony to the fact that the virtues of Western political systems are, to a certain kind of Islamic mind, imperceptible — or perceptible, as they were to Qutb and Atta, only as hideous moral failings. Even while enjoying the peace, prosperity, and freedom that issue from a secular rule of law, a person who regards the shari’a as the unique path to salvation may see these things only as the signs of a spiritual emptiness or corruption. [Roger Scruton]

    The virtues of Western governments are equally imperceptible to many Muslims who are not radicals. It’s not hard to see why. Consider the descendant of Algerian immigrants to France who cannot find work and confronts racism and poverty in a country that demands not just his obedience to authority, but his respect and esteem. Or the descendant of Turks in Germany, living in a society that tries to seduce him while constantly telling him that he is merely an object of toleration, a person not for himself, but only worth anything as a testimony to Western liberality.

    http://theweek.com/articles/589175/intractable-insidious-conflict-between-islamism-west

  104. @Reg Cæsar
    @Former Darfur


    All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally.
     
    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá'u'lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Replies: @Anonym, @Former Darfur, @Yngvar

    I’m completely ignorant of all of those except for Jesus of Nazareth, who himself seemed reasonable, but he did say this: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it.

    https://carm.org/questions/about-jesus/what-did-jesus-teach-about-old-testament

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Former Darfur

    'Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it."

    That passage is usually interpreted as meaning that the old covenant has been fulfilled and a new one begun. Matthew 10 is what you're looking for; sell your stuff, buy a sword, kill your family if they don't convert.

  105. @Reg Cæsar
    @NOTA


    Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here
     
    No, you don't get murders, robberies, and stabbings. Just CAIR, academic whining, and other chips-on-the-shoulder.

    Middlebrow-beating, not low-brow.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    ” Muslims have assimilated pretty well in the US–you don’t generally have high crime, economically devastated Muslim ghettoes here

    No, you don’t get murders,”

    You don’t get regular mugging street crime murders, but you do get terrorist attack murders from Muslims in the U.S like Fort Hood, Tennessee, Boston, and 9/11 for example.

  106. @Massimo Heitor
    @Former Darfur


    The problem with Muslims is that most Muslims, and certainly most Muslims coming to the West, are low IQ, ill-bred low grade human beings to begin with
     
    This isn't about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don't generally bother people.

    Many of the violent terrorists are intelligent. The problem with them isn't IQ, it's aggressiveness, short temper, a disagreeableness, and an extremely tribal nature.

    If given the choice of immigrants or neighbors, almost everyone here would choose dumb, pleasant people over smart vicious people.

    Replies: @WGG, @Jefferson

    “This isn’t about IQ.

    There are lots of super pleasant, happy, peaceful people who are dumb as rocks. They probably have low IQ but they don’t generally bother people.”

    The dumb low IQ 3rd world ethnic group I have had the most positive experiences with are Catholic Filipinos. I would certainly take them over Arab Muslims any day.

  107. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    “Steve, talking about “Arab Muslims” is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that “American Christians” are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world.”

    Saying most Black thugs in the U.S are Christians is like say Adolf Hitler was a Christian. I doubt that the Blacks doing drive by shootings and running crack houses are reading the bible on a regular basis and attending church every Sunday just like minister Mike Huckabee and Pastor Rick Warren. You throw around the word “Christian” way too loosely.

    ” Europe’s problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims – it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry”

    North Africans are Arab. It is considered part of the Arab.

    “To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans.”

    You can find plenty of Egyptians on welfare living in the Muslim housing projects of France. NOBODY in France associates Egyptian immigrants and their off springs with the affluent class. Nobody in France says Egyptians are the Jews or the Han Chinese of the Muslim world in terms being a very successful immigrant group.

  108. Houllebcq’s book reminded me of a striking observation Lawrence Auster made on January 4, 2004 about the situation in Europe. These are some excerpts.

    We need to face the possibility that the left-liberal citizens of the West really do hate our civilization and really do desire that it come to an end. True, they may not be completely consistent (and certainly not consciously explicit) about this, since they still want their material comforts and familiar way of life to continue, for the time being. Nevertheless, civilizational surrender and suicide is the true end toward which Western liberals are moving. . . . . I suddenly realized that my whimsical image of Western Christians and Jews serving some future Caliph of Europe is a prospect that would be highly pleasant and attractive to many Westerners. I realized that these spiritually emptied-out elites are not just anti-Western, as has been said a million times, and do not just seek to harm and weaken the West before its enemies, as has been said a million times, but that they literally do not want our civilization to continue, it’s too guilty, too powerful, and its guilt and its power are too much of a burden for them. How do you go on upholding something that you don’t believe in anyway? . . . . Western liberals can no longer stand pretending to care about and to be responsible for a civilization that they no longer believe in. They resent the charge; they’re weary of the task. If the opportunity were offered to them, they would much prefer to be the retainers and attendants of a Muslim Caliph of Europe, no longer having to carry the unwanted and disliked burden of Western-ness and white-ness, but serving in a subordinate though still useful and honorable role in a new Islamic Golden Age. They would be happier and more fulfilled that way.

  109. @BurplesonAFB
    @Reg Cæsar

    The 9/11 terrorists had no dealings with Canada. Your people let em in and trained them to fly, stop spreading old rumors.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The 9/11 terrorists had no dealings with Canada. Your people let em in and trained them to fly, stop spreading old rumors.

    I said nothing about Mohammed Scorpion’s Flying Circus. Canada’s reputation predates 2001.

  110. “this down-at-the-heels but vibrant borough of nearly 100,000 people, ” Did they really use the word “vibrant ” ?

  111. @iffen
    @Lagertha

    Sexual frustration is only one facet. It is the totality of the energy of young adult males. Lots of problems in complex, individualist and competitive societies like ours. We end up with thousands of un-disciplined, un-initiated (into manhood) young men that terrorize each other, the women around them and society in general.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

    I have 3 sons. One is a virgin ( a mother knows this: FY! don’t f*cking ask how I even know this!) But, my sons fear women, yet they love women (well, ‘girls’ in their parlance) …they fear this competition, they fear women will not want them…this is universal….it is crummy…it really is. But, it may not be next week- young people are fickle.

    Only your mother truly loves that face of yours and brags about your talents and accomplishments forever. Like my sons, every son must forge their own path. If they have the love of their father and mother (or one of them) they will be fine. Every young person must take in to account the people who love them and want them to make a difference in establishing peace among humans or saving the planet from total loss of water….oops. gettin’ into Blade Runner frame of mind.

  112. @iffen
    @Lagertha

    Sexual frustration is only one facet. It is the totality of the energy of young adult males. Lots of problems in complex, individualist and competitive societies like ours. We end up with thousands of un-disciplined, un-initiated (into manhood) young men that terrorize each other, the women around them and society in general.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Lagertha

    these young men that you speak of, need to know that no one, and nothing, no religion nor thought process has dominion over them. Simple. “to thine own self be true.” Death is not a good option because no one will remember you or wants to remember you when you’ve offed yourself – road kill is similar to that visual of dead stuff that I want to avoid on country roads. Your parents want you to go beyond what they dreamed of reaching. Or, in current parlance: getta life! Figure it out! Go to school! School is free for god’s sake! Education frees you. I am still a student as a woman on the “back 9” so to speak. I love school.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Lagertha


    Education frees you.
     
    Not if it takes you forever to learn.
  113. @Hubbub
    OT
    I came across this in a review of Coates' book 'Between Me and My Son":

    “The entire narrative of this country,” he says to Samori, “argues against the truth of who you are.”

    I'm getting on in years, and I suppose some of my faculties may be diminished somewhat, but would someone tell me what the statements means? Is it so profound that my White privilege will not let me comprehend its meaning?

    Replies: @SFG, @Reg Cæsar, @epebble

    I think he is hinting that in the grand scheme of things, people imagine USA as a country of and for “White” people (and consider others as “Extras”; i.e. That “All men are created equal” is all BS) – USA is hypocrisy crystallized.

  114. @Peter Akuleyev
    Steve, talking about "Arab Muslims" is a useless generalization. Most blacks in the US are Christians therefore you could also claim that "American Christians" are apparently among the most violent people in the Western world. Europe's problem is not so much Muslims, and not even Arab Muslims - it is North Africans. The important point from that article is that three-quarters of [Molenbeek inhabitants] are of Moroccan origin or ancestry

    To be sure other Arab Muslim groups, such as Egyptians and Yemenis, seem to be more difficult to integrate than Bosnians and Iranians, but by and large Egyptians do better in Europe than the Francophone North Africans. I would also prefer Syrian Muslims as neighbors any day to Subsaharan African Muslims, particularly if they are from former French colonies. I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet, but in general immigrants from the former French Empire seem to be much worse than immigrants from the British or Dutch Empires.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @G Pinfold, @German_reader, @Jim, @Jefferson, @Steve Sailer

    “I am not sure whether we are seeing the effects of French colonialism or that the French somehow colonized the worst parts of the planet”

    The French colonial official who dines with William Boot in Waugh’s “Scoop” wonders why the British want to take over Ishmaelia (Ethiopia):

    “‘It is not rich at all. If it were rich, it would already belong to England. Why do you wish to take it?’ … said the functionary, growing vexed at such unreasonable rapacity.”

  115. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    The feminine is fellatrice, fellatrix in English.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    The irony is that the highest level of talent in that field consists quite often of Arab Muslim women. Muslim girls under the thumb of their family dare not get involved with infidel men, of course, but there are always those in the West who manage to fly the coop, and once so liberated they often go crazy. I wonder if part of the undiscussed opposition to kicking out the Muslims is from men who don’t want the supply of ‘beurettes’ squelched.

  116. @Lagertha
    @iffen

    these young men that you speak of, need to know that no one, and nothing, no religion nor thought process has dominion over them. Simple. "to thine own self be true." Death is not a good option because no one will remember you or wants to remember you when you've offed yourself - road kill is similar to that visual of dead stuff that I want to avoid on country roads. Your parents want you to go beyond what they dreamed of reaching. Or, in current parlance: getta life! Figure it out! Go to school! School is free for god's sake! Education frees you. I am still a student as a woman on the "back 9" so to speak. I love school.

    Replies: @iffen

    Education frees you.

    Not if it takes you forever to learn.

  117. @Former Darfur
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm completely ignorant of all of those except for Jesus of Nazareth, who himself seemed reasonable, but he did say this: Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it.



    https://carm.org/questions/about-jesus/what-did-jesus-teach-about-old-testament

    Replies: @Ozymandias

    ‘Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill it.”

    That passage is usually interpreted as meaning that the old covenant has been fulfilled and a new one begun. Matthew 10 is what you’re looking for; sell your stuff, buy a sword, kill your family if they don’t convert.

  118. Houllebcq’s book reminded me of a striking observation Lawrence Auster made on January 4, 2004 about the situation in Europe. These are some excerpts.

    Funny, I could never stand reading Auster (his tendentious cherry-picking of emails – and nothing else – to respond to always annoyed me too much), but I put similar speculation into a recent comment about how Islam is going to decapitate Leftism in Europe.

  119. @Reg Cæsar
    @verylongaccountname


    Belgium has long had a policy of harboring terrorists — as long as they play nice on Belgian soil
     
    Belgium: the Canada of Europe. In more ways than one.

    Replies: @BurplesonAFB, @Anonymous

    Yeah, it’s OUR fault your shitty border guards let those guys in, your institutions happily trained them to fly, and your Intelligence services dropped the ball and let them pull off a massive terrorist attack.

    Poor Americans. Nothing is ever your fault, is it?

  120. @Lagertha
    @NOTA

    yeah, whatever. Somalis from Minneapolis have gone by the 100's to Syria/ISIS - don't forget about the sleazy airport workers who were busted for gun-running this year. And, I can never get the image of the Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell out of my mind, forever...in my beloved NYC. So, yeah, not convinced.

    And, since when do host countries have to work hard/be responsible for Muslims or Mexicans, or whatever, to assimilate? When I moved to the US with no English language skills, I was on my own. I'm sick of all the babying of people who emigrate but just can't cope. Don't move if you can't accept hardship to learn how to rely on yourself. And, you must accept the laws of the host country. And, the host country's culture supersedes your culture in your land that you left behind - get over yourself. snap.

    Replies: @E. Burke, @Reg Cæsar, @Yngvar

    …Muslim neighborhoods in NY cheering in the streets when the Twin Towers fell…

    That never happened.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    @Former Darfur


    All religious books have stuff in them that is monstrous if taken literally.
     
    Care to name some examples by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tse, Bahá'u'lláh, and Jesus of Nazareth?

    Replies: @Anonym, @Former Darfur, @Yngvar

    The hateful Jesus:
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
    Matthew 10:34

  122. @LeftyLawyer
    @anon

    Well, there is scant if any evidence that Syrian refugees (or people disguised as Syrian refugees) have come and committed terrorist acts. Government policy should be based on facts.

    What we are seeing in Europe, and to some extent in the US (Tsarnaev, e.g.) - it's the kids born in the West that are the problem. But, no one wants to say the publicly, because it sounds a tad too racist to talk about later generations - so everyone focuses on the non-existent problem.

    Kind of like Trump. Statistically, it's the American born kids of the Mexican immigrants that are the bigger problem than the immigrants themselves. No one says that publicly. But why be bothered with facts?

    (I always though Trump would get more traction if he said "when I said they are all rapists and murderers it was just a figure of speech - but, the fact is that the crime rate of Mexican immigrants is higher than the native population, and of their children it is even higher still. Here are the statistics as compiled by _______. Just have a look at the LAPD most wanted page on the web and you can see that this is true.")

    Replies: @anon, @Former Darfur

    Living in a midwest city with a substantial Vietnamese population, I observed that the people who came over as adults or older children were little trouble. The ones born here or too young to remember Vietnam were hellions, like Hell’s Angels with (often stolen) Toyota Supras instead of Harleys. They were absolutely incapable of fitting in, or at least a large subset of them were. They’d collect welfare or deal dope, but they were too proud to pound rivets and too disinterested in school to learn anything that they could make a good living at. Even the ones born here would often have limited English skills, and it wasn’t low IQ that was the problem-they were often capable of running rings around the black and mestizo underclass of the town. They grew up in an all-Vietnamese environment until they were school age and never catch up.

    Of course, by no means did all Vietnamese kids fit this profile, some were very successful. I’d say about a third became good all around solid citizens, a third a permanent hood underclass and a third somewhere in the middle.

  123. Immigration and multiculturalism caused the deaths of 130 innocent people in Paris. There was more diversity and vibrancy among the crowd inside the Bataclan than the all-Muslim, uniformly lethal trio of terrorists who wanted young French blood to satisfy their ethno-jealous murderous hunger.

  124. Immigration and multiculturalism caused the deaths of 130 innocent people in Paris. There was more diversity and vibrancy among the crowd inside the Bataclan than the all-Muslim, uniformly lethal trio of terrorists who wanted young French blood to satisfy their ethno-jealous bloodlust.

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