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From The Forward:

Trump’s Reported Pick of Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State Spooks Jewish Groups

Josh Nathan-Kazis December 12, 2016

The Secretary of State pick floated over the weekend by president-elect Donald Trump’s transition team is making Jewish groups nervous.

Rex Tillerson, the multi-millionaire CEO of the multinational oil corporation Exxon Mobil, could succeed John Kerry as the chief U.S. diplomat, according to news reports. …

“There’s some real causes of concern,” said Ron Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, and an influential voice on Jewish communal policy.

A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues. He has close ties to the Russian government.

Jewish leaders said that Tillerson’s opposition to sanctions, his relationship with Russian president Vladimir Putin and the general oil industry bias towards Arab states all made them anxious about the Tillerson nomination.

Even Trump fans, like Zionist Organization of America president Mort Klein, expressed displeasure with the notion of Tillerson running the State Department. “In general, people who have led oil companies are not that friendly to Israel,” Klein said. “That concerns me.”

Klein added that he had confidence in Trump to choose well.

Klein and others voiced general suspicion of oil executives, who they said often have longstanding relationships with Arab leaders, and are generally not attuned to Israeli interests.

As I’ve been saying, the roots of Jewish prejudices on various issues tend to be fairly reasonable and understandable, but you are not supposed to allow the concept of “Jewish prejudices” to exist in your mind. So outside of the explicitly Jewish press like The Forward, you almost never hear explanations for the bigotry spelled out.

 
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  1. Hmm… Michael Moore was right Trump winning as a big FY to the Establishment.

    Now, Moore is predicting Trump won’t get past the Electors. Turning into Kafkomedy.

    Could Moore be right the second time around?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "Hmm… Michael Moore was right Trump winning as a big FY to the Establishment."

    Anon that is very Cuck of you to praise Michael Moore when he is one of the biggest anti-Trump people in the mainstream media. Michael Moore says he plans to disrupt Donald J. Trump's inauguration.
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/10/michael-moore-filmmaker-vows-protest-donald-trumps/

    Michael Moore compares Crooked Hildabeast to Jesus Christ.
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/michael-moore-hillary-clinton-debated-like-jesus-christ-170703/

    Replies: @Hunsdon

  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I suspect Tillerson also reminds them of James Baker, another wealthy Texan who served as Sec. of State under H.W. Bush.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/george-bush-james-baker-and-the-jews/2014/10/31/

    Secretary of State James A. Baker is surely one of the most reviled public figures both in Israel and among American Jews. In 1991 he became the first American official to negotiate directly and officially with Palestinians and the first senior U.S. official to leverage American aid to Israel in an attempt to halt Israeli settlements. He played a leading role in forcing Israel to attend the Madrid Peace Conference (October 1991), which ultimately failed to yield results, and he sought to launch a second Mideast peace initiative, the “Madrid 2 Conference,” while excluding Israel from participating.

    He demanded that Israel negotiate with a Palestinian delegation consisting of Palestinians deported from East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and he publicly supported the Palestinian “right of return,” which would effectively end the Jewish state. Throughout his tenure, he did whatever possible to create distance between the Bush administration and Israel when it came to the Palestinians and the Israeli “occupation” of the territories.

    Moreover, Baker made little secret of his contempt for Israel. According to the late former editor of the Jerusalem Post, David Bar-Illan, Baker once stated, “Don’t worry, Jews remember the Holocaust, but they forget insults as soon as they smell cash” ( New York Post, March 6, 1992). While testifying before the House in June 1990, a frustrated Baker, complaining about the “hawkishness” of Israel’s new government, sent a public message to Prime Minister Shamir: “Here’s the White House phone number; when you’re serious about peace, give us a call.” He referred to pro-Israel supporters in Congress as “the little Knesset.”

    But undoubtedly the greatest manifestation of his antipathy was his infamous declaration: “[Expletive] the Jews. They don’t vote for us anyway.” This story was reported in the New York Post by Marianne Goldstein and several of her colleagues under the headline “Baker’s 4-Letter Slam at U.S. Jews.” (It’s interesting to note that, notwithstanding the overt animosity implicit in Baker’s profanity, his allegation regarding Jewish voting was essentially correct: running against Michael Dukakis in the 1988 presidential lection, Bush had won only 27 percent of the Jewish vote; thanks in part to Baker, that number shrank four years later to only 15 percent against Bill Clinton.)

    • Agree: cucksworth
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Baker also of course had significant oil connections. He was a lawyer from a family of prominent Texas lawyers. His great grandfather was a founder of a very prominent Texas law firm that has significant political and oil connections.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Tillerson was recommended by Baker:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/rex-tillerson-secretary-of-state-trump.html

    "Mr. Tillerson emerged as a contender on the strong recommendations of James A. Baker III, the secretary of state under President George Bush, and Robert M. Gates, the former defense secretary, according to a person briefed on the process."

  3. @Anonymous
    I suspect Tillerson also reminds them of James Baker, another wealthy Texan who served as Sec. of State under H.W. Bush.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/george-bush-james-baker-and-the-jews/2014/10/31/

    Secretary of State James A. Baker is surely one of the most reviled public figures both in Israel and among American Jews. In 1991 he became the first American official to negotiate directly and officially with Palestinians and the first senior U.S. official to leverage American aid to Israel in an attempt to halt Israeli settlements. He played a leading role in forcing Israel to attend the Madrid Peace Conference (October 1991), which ultimately failed to yield results, and he sought to launch a second Mideast peace initiative, the “Madrid 2 Conference,” while excluding Israel from participating.

    He demanded that Israel negotiate with a Palestinian delegation consisting of Palestinians deported from East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and he publicly supported the Palestinian “right of return,” which would effectively end the Jewish state. Throughout his tenure, he did whatever possible to create distance between the Bush administration and Israel when it came to the Palestinians and the Israeli “occupation” of the territories.

    Moreover, Baker made little secret of his contempt for Israel. According to the late former editor of the Jerusalem Post, David Bar-Illan, Baker once stated, “Don’t worry, Jews remember the Holocaust, but they forget insults as soon as they smell cash” ( New York Post, March 6, 1992). While testifying before the House in June 1990, a frustrated Baker, complaining about the “hawkishness” of Israel’s new government, sent a public message to Prime Minister Shamir: “Here’s the White House phone number; when you’re serious about peace, give us a call.” He referred to pro-Israel supporters in Congress as “the little Knesset.”

    But undoubtedly the greatest manifestation of his antipathy was his infamous declaration: “[Expletive] the Jews. They don’t vote for us anyway.” This story was reported in the New York Post by Marianne Goldstein and several of her colleagues under the headline “Baker’s 4-Letter Slam at U.S. Jews.” (It’s interesting to note that, notwithstanding the overt animosity implicit in Baker’s profanity, his allegation regarding Jewish voting was essentially correct: running against Michael Dukakis in the 1988 presidential lection, Bush had won only 27 percent of the Jewish vote; thanks in part to Baker, that number shrank four years later to only 15 percent against Bill Clinton.)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Baker also of course had significant oil connections. He was a lawyer from a family of prominent Texas lawyers. His great grandfather was a founder of a very prominent Texas law firm that has significant political and oil connections.

  4. I wonder if Trump naming John Bolton as Deputy SoS will shut ’em up.

  5. But wait.

    They’re all worried about Israel.

    But we found out that Israel’s current head of state now has some of the same foreign policy proclivities as Rex Tillerson.

    • Replies: @mts1
    @countenance

    Exactly. I thought Netanyahu was getting better relations with both Russia and surrounding Arab countries (except for Saudi Arabia) as per Sailer's post of a couple days ago, so I would think this was a good thing. I like it as it prevents Russia from getting cozier to Iran, and maybe there could be a detente around Israel, as the Arab states would have reason now to control their professional refugees and keep them from lobbing rockets into Israel. So how is Tillerson bad again if he meshes with Netanyahu?

    Replies: @Gabriel M

    , @Maj. Kong
    @countenance

    PM Netanyahu is head of government, President Rivlin is head of state. In parliamentary systems, the head of state is like the British monarch since Victoria.

    Now, the defense minister of Israel, Avigdor Lieberman, is very friendly towards Russia.

  6. Probably just the left wing ones, don’t worry about it.

  7. ” “In general, people who have led oil companies are not that friendly to Israel,” Klein said. “That concerns me.”

    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jefferson


    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.
     
    You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @International Jew
    @Jefferson


    but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America
     
    Meh. While it's of course true that most Jews supported the candidate — Hillary Clinton — who would have brought us that massive Muslim immigration, I don't know any Jews who thought that particular feature of Hillary was a plus.

    Everyone I know, who has children in college, is well aware of the real harrassment Jewish students are drawing from the burgeoning population of Muslim students.
  8. I’ve got a postage stamp here and a pencil and I’m going to make the definitive list of everything that does not spook jewish groups.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @kihowi

    Wait one. I thought using "spook" was a Microaggression.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @CJ

  9. News flash for Messrs. Halber, Klein, et al.:

    The US Secretary of State serve the US, not Israel. Israel has its own government for that.

    That’s what different governments are for.

    Get over it.

  10. Trump should’ve appointed Joe Lieberman.

    • LOL: CK
  11. It’s almost as if Trump is selecting people who he thinks are competent and will do a good job. The benefits of running a tight campaign and not owing a thousand favors tends to scare those the most connected. What country is more connected politically in the U.S. than Isreal?

  12. @Anon
    Hmm... Michael Moore was right Trump winning as a big FY to the Establishment.

    Now, Moore is predicting Trump won't get past the Electors. Turning into Kafkomedy.

    Could Moore be right the second time around?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uYvdDV8TTc

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Hmm… Michael Moore was right Trump winning as a big FY to the Establishment.”

    Anon that is very Cuck of you to praise Michael Moore when he is one of the biggest anti-Trump people in the mainstream media. Michael Moore says he plans to disrupt Donald J. Trump’s inauguration.
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/10/michael-moore-filmmaker-vows-protest-donald-trumps/

    Michael Moore compares Crooked Hildabeast to Jesus Christ.
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/michael-moore-hillary-clinton-debated-like-jesus-christ-170703/

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    @Jefferson

    Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right. Nothing wrong with admitting it. What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Steven Wilson

  13. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One Jewish guy who isn’t spooked.

    Horowitz isn’t Alt Right(in no shape or form), but if anyone on the ‘right’ foreshadowed something like the Alt Right, it was Horowitz.

    While Alt Right pays homage to Gottfried and Rothbard, neither was the kind of dogged fighter that Horowitz was.

    Neocons sought respectability and establishment position. Horowitz, though allied with Neocons on the Israel issue, was far more committed to combating the ‘left’. And he always regarded the ‘left’ as the bigger enemy of the Jews. He knew about the ‘left’ because he’d been part of the 60s Left that made the ‘long march through the institutions’ and became the GLOB. In a way, the GLOB was more dangerous. While 60s radicals had crazy ideas and were delusional, they were driven by some real ideals. But over time, they became cynical, and it was all about the Power. Hillary and those around her were prime examples of this.

    Neocons were just happy to gain control of GOP, push Zionist agenda, and even work with Libs and the ‘left’ to suppress White-conscious Conservatism.

    Though Horowitz, as Zionist, cannot be a fan of white-centric Alt Right, he is a firm believer that the biggest enemy of the West is the Left and Glob. In this, he was more principled than the Neocons and Cucks who were mainly for position and status.

    [MORE]

    There was a National Review gathering in the early 90s when a bunch of respectable luminaries gave nice-sounding speeches. Horowitz then appeared on stage and warned them that they don’t have what it takes to take on the Enemy that is far more dogged, cynical, driven, radical, and ruthless. And given what happened in coming yrs, Horowitz was right.
    Where he was wrong was the failure to see that this danger came not only from the ‘left’ but from Neocons who got overly power-hungry and corrupt. Horowitz’s Zionism made him overlook the excesses of the Neocons and Bush II. Still, his attack on NeverTrump Neocons in 2016 indicates his disenchantment with them. Horowitz saw them as careerists than good soldiers.

    Now, Horowitz’s reason for supporting Trump is very different from that of Alt Right, but both sides seems to understand that a new vanguard is necessary to move away from old staid and defunct paradigms of power. These are radical times.

    Also, Neocons grew out of Trotskyism prior to the 60s. Its heyday was when leftist radicalism was still adult and ‘conservative’ and mature in style. The ideas were radical but the personal style was still respectable, restrained, and even ‘bourgeois’. After all, even Trotsky himself didn’t have a tattoo on his ass or indulge in homomania.

    So, former Trotskyites didn’t really get what the 60s were about. They just took flight from the crazy left of the 60s and found a new home in the GOP as the Democrats seemed to cave too much to black demands. (As immigration and globalism made the Democrats increasing the Diversity party and Free Trade party and LESS the black party and white ‘dumb Polack’ labor party, some neocons began to move back. But then, BLM & BDS prolly triggered a good number of Jews even if they mostly stuck with Hillary. If Hillary’s loss leads to Democratic Party being taken over by blacks and anti-Zionist POC, it could spell exodus of Jews.)
    In contrast, Horowitz was in the very thick of 60s radicalism that was far more nihilistic, narcissistic, and decadent that ‘leftism’ of an earlier time. Those elements of excesses of 60s culture meant that future politics could be more no-holds-barred, reckless, and insane.
    If Neocons didn’t get 60s radicalism and just ran from it, Horowitz was at its center and saw everything. So, he knows the mind-set of the Left. Now, he must know that the hardcore 60s leftist types didn’t gain the most power. After all, it was the middle-of-roaders like Clintons and Obamas and Kerrys that gained power, not the Bill Ayers and Abbie Hoffman’s. But Horowitz is convinced that the entire Left spectrum since the 60s is infected with the same nihilistic spirit. Given the rise of homomania and reckless globalist open borders rhetoric, he may be right. GLOB went capitalist, but its spirit is totally nihilistic and destructive of order, the organic, and the meaningful. What the Right failed to understand is that this destructive spirit could also animate the capitalists. If there is anything that unites Wall Street goons like Jordan Belfort and commies like Bill Ayers, it’s their utter nihilism. Anything goes for the struggle, power, and wealth. No holds barred.

    And we’ve seen that with the rise of Progs trained and brainwashed by boomer radical globs. And in a way, Trump is also part of this excessive politics of boomer era. Fewer inhibitions, wilder, more aggressive, shameless, blustering, and etc. But Trump victory suggests that some are waking to the fact that in the new order, fire must be met with fire.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    A personal vignette regarding David Horowitz. Some decades ago I attended a lecture he gave at New York University. Afterwards I asked him to sign some of his books (at that time I was one of his devotees, I wised up later!). As I spoke with him I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman - I kid you not.

    Replies: @Anon, @antipater_1, @pepperinmono

    , @SFG
    @Anon

    Horowitz takes the Breitbartian implicitly-pro-white-but-not-anti-Zionist middle ground. It's actually not that crazy. Really, you can go after George Soros and support Binyamin Netanyahu. The Israelis aren't obsessed with increasing illegal immigration, that's liberal diaspora Jews.

  14. Trump fills his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and idiots still say he’ll be unfavorable to Jewish tribalist causes.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    It is not so much what Rex Tillerson has said or done, but that he will be in a Trump cabinet. If he were in a Bush cabinet, the Forward wouldn't care, cause they know they could sway Tillerson thru Bush. They can't sway Trump like Presidents of the past 30 years, so they are extra nervous.
    Trump is apt to be amenable to win-win scenarios with a strand of Likud thinking. But, he won't be guilt-tripped by Jewish leftists into manipulating refugee policy to make the US a dumping ground, or setting foreign aid budgets at reckless levels.

  15. @Jefferson
    " “In general, people who have led oil companies are not that friendly to Israel,” Klein said. “That concerns me.”

    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn't stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @International Jew

    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.

    You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience."

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it's one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It's a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy's version of Wall Street.

    Replies: @inertial, @Olorin, @SFG

  16. The Int’l Spectator @intlspectator

    BREAKING: There is now ‘significant hesitation’ in Trump team over appointment of Rex Tillerson as US Secretary of State

    God, I wish Trump would drop Tillerson and pick Mearsheimer and Walt for SoS and Deputy. Kvetching is positively mellifluous when it’s turned up to 11.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Anonymous

    lol, why do you think it is that they're hesitating to appoint Tillerson?

  17. Can’t Jews just state that anything that promotes Western culture threatens them?

  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This interview is interesting in the glimpses it offers into the ‘radical’ mind and ‘Jewish’ mindset.
    Sometimes, it’s hard to tell which is which, and it was a mystery even to those who held them. Their Jewishness had been decisive in the radical path they took, but the path was a way out of Jewishness and toward a new humanity without labels and borders. A kind of paradox where being something leads to something that negates that very being.

  19. All of Trump’s adult children are married to Jews and he still gets tagged as anti-Semitic . Bizarre

  20. “…no public track record on Israel-related issues.”

    Which is apparently the zeroeth precondition for being hired to run Washington’s branch of the Kitchen Cabinet.

  21. Trump seems to prefer to send mixed signals. He apponts Kobach but also Pudzer, he talks tough on trade but appoints Mnuchin and Cohn, he might appoint Tillerson but it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump gave Netanyahu a free hand to do whatever he likes. Trump knows that unpredictability is a useful tactic for lots of different reasons.

  22. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jefferson


    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.
     
    You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience.”

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it’s one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It’s a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy’s version of Wall Street.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Jefferson

    Or perhaps it's because, in the popular imagination, oil industry starts wars all over the place. "No blood for oil." I am sure even some iSteve commenters had said it once or twice.

    , @Olorin
    @Jefferson

    Also, the oil billionaires started out by doing actual work that gets your hands really dirty.

    The Wharton and Annenberg Jews I interacted with considered that worthy of particular hatred. REAL billionaires get rich on soft-handed monetary speculation, not on anything involving infrastructure at the material level.

    But I always suspected it came down to acquisitive envy. That human failing against which Yahweh spends some 70% of his Basic Law warning His Chosen.


    Do not have any other god before God.
    Do not make yourself an idol.
    Do not take the Lord's name in vain.
     
    Don't steal god's valor.

    Honor thy Father and thy Mother

     

    Don't steal your parents' valor.

    Keep the sabbath day holy
     
    Don't steal god's valor.

    Do not murder.
     
    Don't steal someone else's life.

    Do not commit adultery.

     

    Don't steal someone else's mate.

    Do not steal.
     
    Don't steal.

    Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
     
    Don't steal the truth from your neighbor and community.

    Do not covet.
     
    Don't set yourself up in a mindset to steal.

    OK, 100%.

    , @SFG
    @Jefferson

    Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  23. @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "Hmm… Michael Moore was right Trump winning as a big FY to the Establishment."

    Anon that is very Cuck of you to praise Michael Moore when he is one of the biggest anti-Trump people in the mainstream media. Michael Moore says he plans to disrupt Donald J. Trump's inauguration.
    http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/10/michael-moore-filmmaker-vows-protest-donald-trumps/

    Michael Moore compares Crooked Hildabeast to Jesus Christ.
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/michael-moore-hillary-clinton-debated-like-jesus-christ-170703/

    Replies: @Hunsdon

    Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right. Nothing wrong with admitting it. What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Hunsdon

    "Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right."

    Michael Moore also said you are not a true Christian if you support Donald J. Trump.
    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/michael-moore-dont-call-yourself-christian-if-you-wont-oppose-bigots-trumps-america

    "What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?"

    Thing is Michael Moore sees Donald J. Trump as the new Adolf Hitler, not the new Joseph Stalin. So that Jabba The Hut looking walking diabetes case will never have any nice things to say about Donald J. Trump.

    , @Steven Wilson
    @Hunsdon

    The Churchill quote was to the effect that if "Hitler invaded hell, I would, on the same day, make a favorable reference to the devil on the floor of the House of Commons." I'm sure he rumbled it slightly better.

  24. This is looking really good.

    Didn’t I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews aren’t necessarily so supportive of Zionism? And isn’t Donald’s son-in-law (and daughter too now) Orthodox?

    Is it possible we have a new president who is simultaneously Good For The Jews and free from Zionist preoccupations?

    Signed,
    Sleepy and Poorly Informed

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There are those known as the Haredi sect, which are inward looking and uninterested in any state, Zionist or otherwise.

    Kushner is what is called Modern Orthodox, a different sect. But given time, I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian.

    Replies: @Karl

    , @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Orthodox Jews are plenty Zionist, except for a few isolated sects. What they're not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt.

    People on the alt-right use 'Zionist' to mean 'supporting the global, universalist elite' because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means 'supporting the state of Israel'.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @International Jew
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No, 99% of orthodox Jews are not only pro-Israel, they're the most pro-Israel Jews you'll ever meet.

    Replies: @Gabriel M

  25. @Hunsdon
    @Jefferson

    Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right. Nothing wrong with admitting it. What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Steven Wilson

    “Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right.”

    Michael Moore also said you are not a true Christian if you support Donald J. Trump.
    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/michael-moore-dont-call-yourself-christian-if-you-wont-oppose-bigots-trumps-america

    “What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?”

    Thing is Michael Moore sees Donald J. Trump as the new Adolf Hitler, not the new Joseph Stalin. So that Jabba The Hut looking walking diabetes case will never have any nice things to say about Donald J. Trump.

  26. • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @PiltdownMan

    Or, for that matter, Steve's other post on the topic today. I hadn't read that when I posted these links. Sorry.

  27. @PiltdownMan
    http://www.rfi.ro/sites/default/files/articol/putin_netaniahu.jpg

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/strange-love-affair-putin-and-netanyahu-1736252238

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Or, for that matter, Steve’s other post on the topic today. I hadn’t read that when I posted these links. Sorry.

  28. More of the GoodWhite vs. BadWhite war, Jewish Edition.

    1. Oil companies don’t do much business in the ME, where oil companies are nationalized and use contract labor to pull out low cost oil. If anything sunk costs in deep water assets and various other places outside the ME means oil companies would love ME production to be taken off line.

    2. Netanyahu is pretty much this oil exec squared. Or cubed.

    3. What’s good for Israel is stopping Iran’s nukes, and ISIS. Coincidentally, that’s also good for Western Oil companies in as much as Iran’s oil production is off line.

    4. For “Jews” read — urban uber liberal lunatics like Lena Dunham.

    5. It seems universal in the West, highly urbanized urban hipsters embrace Lennonism (i.e. John and “Imagine”) as a religious belief that validates their material possession talismans (Apple stuff, the latest trends, etc.)

  29. Russian-American Jewess Jill Stein got smacked down for good today. Another great anti-American!

    And FYI Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR.

    What is it ultimately that their tribe wants?

  30. “A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues.”

    And this latter qualification is, I suppose, the most important. America-related issues: optional.

  31. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f2Bx9t5Mt8

    One Jewish guy who isn't spooked.

    Horowitz isn't Alt Right(in no shape or form), but if anyone on the 'right' foreshadowed something like the Alt Right, it was Horowitz.

    While Alt Right pays homage to Gottfried and Rothbard, neither was the kind of dogged fighter that Horowitz was.

    Neocons sought respectability and establishment position. Horowitz, though allied with Neocons on the Israel issue, was far more committed to combating the 'left'. And he always regarded the 'left' as the bigger enemy of the Jews. He knew about the 'left' because he'd been part of the 60s Left that made the 'long march through the institutions' and became the GLOB. In a way, the GLOB was more dangerous. While 60s radicals had crazy ideas and were delusional, they were driven by some real ideals. But over time, they became cynical, and it was all about the Power. Hillary and those around her were prime examples of this.

    Neocons were just happy to gain control of GOP, push Zionist agenda, and even work with Libs and the 'left' to suppress White-conscious Conservatism.

    Though Horowitz, as Zionist, cannot be a fan of white-centric Alt Right, he is a firm believer that the biggest enemy of the West is the Left and Glob. In this, he was more principled than the Neocons and Cucks who were mainly for position and status.



    There was a National Review gathering in the early 90s when a bunch of respectable luminaries gave nice-sounding speeches. Horowitz then appeared on stage and warned them that they don't have what it takes to take on the Enemy that is far more dogged, cynical, driven, radical, and ruthless. And given what happened in coming yrs, Horowitz was right.
    Where he was wrong was the failure to see that this danger came not only from the 'left' but from Neocons who got overly power-hungry and corrupt. Horowitz's Zionism made him overlook the excesses of the Neocons and Bush II. Still, his attack on NeverTrump Neocons in 2016 indicates his disenchantment with them. Horowitz saw them as careerists than good soldiers.

    Now, Horowitz's reason for supporting Trump is very different from that of Alt Right, but both sides seems to understand that a new vanguard is necessary to move away from old staid and defunct paradigms of power. These are radical times.

    Also, Neocons grew out of Trotskyism prior to the 60s. Its heyday was when leftist radicalism was still adult and 'conservative' and mature in style. The ideas were radical but the personal style was still respectable, restrained, and even 'bourgeois'. After all, even Trotsky himself didn't have a tattoo on his ass or indulge in homomania.

    So, former Trotskyites didn't really get what the 60s were about. They just took flight from the crazy left of the 60s and found a new home in the GOP as the Democrats seemed to cave too much to black demands. (As immigration and globalism made the Democrats increasing the Diversity party and Free Trade party and LESS the black party and white 'dumb Polack' labor party, some neocons began to move back. But then, BLM & BDS prolly triggered a good number of Jews even if they mostly stuck with Hillary. If Hillary's loss leads to Democratic Party being taken over by blacks and anti-Zionist POC, it could spell exodus of Jews.)
    In contrast, Horowitz was in the very thick of 60s radicalism that was far more nihilistic, narcissistic, and decadent that 'leftism' of an earlier time. Those elements of excesses of 60s culture meant that future politics could be more no-holds-barred, reckless, and insane.
    If Neocons didn't get 60s radicalism and just ran from it, Horowitz was at its center and saw everything. So, he knows the mind-set of the Left. Now, he must know that the hardcore 60s leftist types didn't gain the most power. After all, it was the middle-of-roaders like Clintons and Obamas and Kerrys that gained power, not the Bill Ayers and Abbie Hoffman's. But Horowitz is convinced that the entire Left spectrum since the 60s is infected with the same nihilistic spirit. Given the rise of homomania and reckless globalist open borders rhetoric, he may be right. GLOB went capitalist, but its spirit is totally nihilistic and destructive of order, the organic, and the meaningful. What the Right failed to understand is that this destructive spirit could also animate the capitalists. If there is anything that unites Wall Street goons like Jordan Belfort and commies like Bill Ayers, it's their utter nihilism. Anything goes for the struggle, power, and wealth. No holds barred.

    And we've seen that with the rise of Progs trained and brainwashed by boomer radical globs. And in a way, Trump is also part of this excessive politics of boomer era. Fewer inhibitions, wilder, more aggressive, shameless, blustering, and etc. But Trump victory suggests that some are waking to the fact that in the new order, fire must be met with fire.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @SFG

    A personal vignette regarding David Horowitz. Some decades ago I attended a lecture he gave at New York University. Afterwards I asked him to sign some of his books (at that time I was one of his devotees, I wised up later!). As I spoke with him I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman – I kid you not.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dan Hayes

    "I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman"

    I believe it.. but it takes a 'madman' to understand what is really up with the radicals and hipsters of his generation.

    I think a lot of normal people don't really get power. People usually project their own personalities and mentalities onto others. So, normal people don't really get the real darkness of the obsessed. Nice dorks like Rich Lowry just don't get it. Lowry is gooey enough to think that if he treats Al Sharpton nice, the good decent Negro will come out of that dude.

    Horowitz gets it. He has a bit of madness in him, and he can imagine the same darkness in others, especially those in power. It's like Mamet movies, always a bit paranoid of the darkest motives of the other fella or gal. Sometimes, the darkness could be of skill & power, like in HOUSE OF GAMES. Sometimes, the darkness could be radical stupidity, like the girl in OLEANNA. The nice liberal professor just doesn't get it cuz he projects his rationality onto that moron creature driven by resentment and anger.

    Politics has several kinds of people. The drivers who are always a bit mad, obsessive, and extreme in personality, even if well-hidden. And then, there are the opportunists who just want a piece of the pie. Romney is a classic opportunist, and most politicos are like him.
    Most people would rather follow and get a piece of the pie that forge ahead. Trump is a driver, and his kind of madness may have stirred something in Horowitz.

    It's like John Wayne as the obsessive driver of events in RED RIVER and THE SEARCHERS.
    He's a bit mad --- trying to kill his 'son' figure in RIVER and 'daughter' figure in SEARCHERS ---, but he never relents and always forges ahead.

    , @antipater_1
    @Dan Hayes

    Madman's eyes - No surprise there. The late Laurence Auster used to mention Horowitz and his "eccentricities" on occasion because he knew him well. Horowitz kicked Auster out of Front Page magazine for being to much of a Rightist realist.

    Horowitz started out life as a left wing nut but now he's a right wing nut. Nut remains the operative word.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @pepperinmono
    @Dan Hayes

    A less interesting vignette.
    Years ago I was not getting some literature from Horowitz organization so I called to correct.
    Horowitz himself answers phone.
    We had a short amiable chat.
    Brilliant guy.
    Don't always agree with him.
    But one has to admire him for the bravery of committing the ultimate sin:publicly breaking with the left.
    He is vilified for this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  32. @Stephen R. Diamond
    Trump fills his cabinet with Goldman Sachs execs, and idiots still say he'll be unfavorable to Jewish tribalist causes.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon

    It is not so much what Rex Tillerson has said or done, but that he will be in a Trump cabinet. If he were in a Bush cabinet, the Forward wouldn’t care, cause they know they could sway Tillerson thru Bush. They can’t sway Trump like Presidents of the past 30 years, so they are extra nervous.
    Trump is apt to be amenable to win-win scenarios with a strand of Likud thinking. But, he won’t be guilt-tripped by Jewish leftists into manipulating refugee policy to make the US a dumping ground, or setting foreign aid budgets at reckless levels.

    • Agree: Tim Howells
  33. Richard Spencer is just awful? Is he deliberately trying to torpedo Trump? Here’s a new MSM interview of him:

    https://gma.yahoo.com/asian-american-journalist-interview-white-nationalist-200511032–abc-news-topstories.html#comments

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn't believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    , @ben tillman
    @Opinionator


    Richard Spencer is just awful? Is he deliberately trying to torpedo Trump? Here’s a new MSM interview of him:

    https://gma.yahoo.com/asian-american-journalist-interview-white-nationalist-200511032–abc-news-topstories.html#comments
     
    What do you take issue with?

    The only problem I see is something he supposedly told Mother Jones:

    Hispanics . . . are more genetically predisposed to commit crimes.
     
  34. @Anonymous
    I suspect Tillerson also reminds them of James Baker, another wealthy Texan who served as Sec. of State under H.W. Bush.

    http://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/george-bush-james-baker-and-the-jews/2014/10/31/

    Secretary of State James A. Baker is surely one of the most reviled public figures both in Israel and among American Jews. In 1991 he became the first American official to negotiate directly and officially with Palestinians and the first senior U.S. official to leverage American aid to Israel in an attempt to halt Israeli settlements. He played a leading role in forcing Israel to attend the Madrid Peace Conference (October 1991), which ultimately failed to yield results, and he sought to launch a second Mideast peace initiative, the “Madrid 2 Conference,” while excluding Israel from participating.

    He demanded that Israel negotiate with a Palestinian delegation consisting of Palestinians deported from East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and he publicly supported the Palestinian “right of return,” which would effectively end the Jewish state. Throughout his tenure, he did whatever possible to create distance between the Bush administration and Israel when it came to the Palestinians and the Israeli “occupation” of the territories.

    Moreover, Baker made little secret of his contempt for Israel. According to the late former editor of the Jerusalem Post, David Bar-Illan, Baker once stated, “Don’t worry, Jews remember the Holocaust, but they forget insults as soon as they smell cash” ( New York Post, March 6, 1992). While testifying before the House in June 1990, a frustrated Baker, complaining about the “hawkishness” of Israel’s new government, sent a public message to Prime Minister Shamir: “Here’s the White House phone number; when you’re serious about peace, give us a call.” He referred to pro-Israel supporters in Congress as “the little Knesset.”

    But undoubtedly the greatest manifestation of his antipathy was his infamous declaration: “[Expletive] the Jews. They don’t vote for us anyway.” This story was reported in the New York Post by Marianne Goldstein and several of her colleagues under the headline “Baker’s 4-Letter Slam at U.S. Jews.” (It’s interesting to note that, notwithstanding the overt animosity implicit in Baker’s profanity, his allegation regarding Jewish voting was essentially correct: running against Michael Dukakis in the 1988 presidential lection, Bush had won only 27 percent of the Jewish vote; thanks in part to Baker, that number shrank four years later to only 15 percent against Bill Clinton.)
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Tillerson was recommended by Baker:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/rex-tillerson-secretary-of-state-trump.html

    “Mr. Tillerson emerged as a contender on the strong recommendations of James A. Baker III, the secretary of state under President George Bush, and Robert M. Gates, the former defense secretary, according to a person briefed on the process.”

  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Face it … Trump’s policies are in opposition to the Jewish establishment across the board.

    That is not to say he is anti-semitic. He is simply free to follow his natural impulses as a guy who loves his country. Which is, of course, anathema, to the powers that be.

    Trump is not puppeteered by Jewish money and therefore he is pursuing a straight ahead patriotic goy platform. Oy vey!

  36. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer is just awful? Is he deliberately trying to torpedo Trump? Here's a new MSM interview of him:

    https://gma.yahoo.com/asian-american-journalist-interview-white-nationalist-200511032--abc-news-topstories.html#comments

    Replies: @Opinionator, @ben tillman

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn’t believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Opinionator

    Could we get him to do a European tour and "endorse" Marine LePen & Frauke Petry? I'm sure they'd love the publicity plus the challenge of having another 10 point media headwind to struggle against.

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won't pass the ball or can't avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible. However, the alt right / alt light hasn't actually done anything anywhere YET. DJT doesn't take office for 5 weeks. Maybe RS is working with Soros to better set a narrative for illegitimacy, Russian manipulation etc.

    Is there an alt right party in Iceland, Uruguay or Bermuda which RS could be sent to help?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @(((Owen)))

    , @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    Why was he reinstated on Twitter, and was anyone else?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Opinionator


    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump.
     
    The election’s over. Is the existence of Spencer going to get Trump impeached somehow?

    He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview.
     
    You’ve been kvetching nonstop about Spencer. Sounds like you got a raging hate crush going on— Stupid sexy Flanders!

    He puts no ones concerns to rest.
     
    Whose concerns, and what are they, exactly?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Opinionator

    "He puts no ones concerns to rest."

    Who's concerns? Yours? This thread isn't even about him, or anything tangentially related to him. We don't care about your concerns.

    "The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant."

    Which are you? My money's on stupid - outside chance of insane.

  37. @countenance
    But wait.

    They're all worried about Israel.

    But we found out that Israel's current head of state now has some of the same foreign policy proclivities as Rex Tillerson.

    Replies: @mts1, @Maj. Kong

    Exactly. I thought Netanyahu was getting better relations with both Russia and surrounding Arab countries (except for Saudi Arabia) as per Sailer’s post of a couple days ago, so I would think this was a good thing. I like it as it prevents Russia from getting cozier to Iran, and maybe there could be a detente around Israel, as the Arab states would have reason now to control their professional refugees and keep them from lobbing rockets into Israel. So how is Tillerson bad again if he meshes with Netanyahu?

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    @mts1

    The worry among some is that Tillerson will emulate James Baker, who worked pretty hard to bring down Israel's right-wing government and help Leftist Jews take over Israel and commence their project of national suicide. Of course, many commentators here take it as a given that the best way to fight Left wing Jews is to help Left wing Jews and endlessly repeat their propaganda.

    Anyway, there doesn't appear to be anything to worry about. James Baker was sui generis. I imagine, like Kevin Macdonald and, I think, Steve Sailer, he had negative experiences with Jews during his early adulthood. His anti-Israel obsession had nothing to do with his broader politics. The broader theme is that the elite wants to use *anti-semitism!* as a way of protecting itself. The problem is that Trump has too man Jewish connections and supporters. The idea seems to be to throw around anything that might make Jews' Anne-Frank-Movie-Flashbacks kick in so that these connections/supporters fall away. It's of a piece with the various other increasingly pathetic and desperate response the Left/elite is making to this election.

  38. I just hope that when former petrochemical engineer Tillerson meets with former secret police chief Putin, he raises as topics for discussion those issues which impact the most on American global strategy.

    No, not the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and the development of Siberia’s infinite resources. I mean the truly great matters of the day, like gay marriage. And, er, privileged access to the media for psychological defectives who chop their balls off and put on dresses.

    That will always be America’s number one priority, or Obama’s 8 years will have been an embarrassing waste of time.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Richard S

    I think you said that somewhat tongue in cheek, but I'm pretty sure 50% of our MSM's hatred of Putin grows out of his "wrong" views on LGBT issues.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  39. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    A personal vignette regarding David Horowitz. Some decades ago I attended a lecture he gave at New York University. Afterwards I asked him to sign some of his books (at that time I was one of his devotees, I wised up later!). As I spoke with him I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman - I kid you not.

    Replies: @Anon, @antipater_1, @pepperinmono

    “I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman”

    I believe it.. but it takes a ‘madman’ to understand what is really up with the radicals and hipsters of his generation.

    I think a lot of normal people don’t really get power. People usually project their own personalities and mentalities onto others. So, normal people don’t really get the real darkness of the obsessed. Nice dorks like Rich Lowry just don’t get it. Lowry is gooey enough to think that if he treats Al Sharpton nice, the good decent Negro will come out of that dude.

    Horowitz gets it. He has a bit of madness in him, and he can imagine the same darkness in others, especially those in power. It’s like Mamet movies, always a bit paranoid of the darkest motives of the other fella or gal. Sometimes, the darkness could be of skill & power, like in HOUSE OF GAMES. Sometimes, the darkness could be radical stupidity, like the girl in OLEANNA. The nice liberal professor just doesn’t get it cuz he projects his rationality onto that moron creature driven by resentment and anger.

    Politics has several kinds of people. The drivers who are always a bit mad, obsessive, and extreme in personality, even if well-hidden. And then, there are the opportunists who just want a piece of the pie. Romney is a classic opportunist, and most politicos are like him.
    Most people would rather follow and get a piece of the pie that forge ahead. Trump is a driver, and his kind of madness may have stirred something in Horowitz.

    It’s like John Wayne as the obsessive driver of events in RED RIVER and THE SEARCHERS.
    He’s a bit mad — trying to kill his ‘son’ figure in RIVER and ‘daughter’ figure in SEARCHERS —, but he never relents and always forges ahead.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  40. @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn't believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    Could we get him to do a European tour and “endorse” Marine LePen & Frauke Petry? I’m sure they’d love the publicity plus the challenge of having another 10 point media headwind to struggle against.

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won’t pass the ball or can’t avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible. However, the alt right / alt light hasn’t actually done anything anywhere YET. DJT doesn’t take office for 5 weeks. Maybe RS is working with Soros to better set a narrative for illegitimacy, Russian manipulation etc.

    Is there an alt right party in Iceland, Uruguay or Bermuda which RS could be sent to help?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won’t pass the ball or can’t avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible

    And after the team scores with time running out in a close game, the referees impose a penalty on the team for the miscreant's antics, resulting in very favorable field position for the opposing team and giving them an opportunity to put the game away for good.

    (Notwithstanding that addendum, I appreciated the humor/sarcasm in your post.)

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @(((Owen)))
    @CrunchybutRealistCon


    Could we get him to do a European tour and
     
    Britain and Hungary's governments have already wisely banned Spencer for life. Germany and France should do the same.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Gabriel M

  41. @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn't believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    Why was he reinstated on Twitter, and was anyone else?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I'm not sure how the Twitter verifying process works, but it may be more low-level DMV type than might appear at first glance.

    Note that Matthew Heimbach, who openly admires National Socialism, is verified and isn't banned. He's another Hal Turner.

    Spencer's ex-wife is Russian, Cernovich suggested he's linked to the CIA, but I'd be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR. The latter two would alarm Hungary more, I doubt our deep state wanted to give him street cred to only have him melt apart under the public eye.

    Replies: @5371, @Anonymous

  42. Seems like Ken Cohen, the longtime Exxon VP of government & public affairs who retired last year, might be worth calling if you’re writing a story like this for The Forward.

  43. rex/regis is Latin for king…….isn’t that a pretentious 1st name for any gentile in the new era?

  44. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Opinionator

    Could we get him to do a European tour and "endorse" Marine LePen & Frauke Petry? I'm sure they'd love the publicity plus the challenge of having another 10 point media headwind to struggle against.

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won't pass the ball or can't avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible. However, the alt right / alt light hasn't actually done anything anywhere YET. DJT doesn't take office for 5 weeks. Maybe RS is working with Soros to better set a narrative for illegitimacy, Russian manipulation etc.

    Is there an alt right party in Iceland, Uruguay or Bermuda which RS could be sent to help?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @(((Owen)))

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won’t pass the ball or can’t avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible

    And after the team scores with time running out in a close game, the referees impose a penalty on the team for the miscreant’s antics, resulting in very favorable field position for the opposing team and giving them an opportunity to put the game away for good.

    (Notwithstanding that addendum, I appreciated the humor/sarcasm in your post.)

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    "time running out" = late in the fourth quarter

  45. Nearly all of the race leaders in U.S. history have been government operatives.

    Richard Spencer is FedGov.

    But it’s not just white but all racial power leaders. Government is obsessed with running these people and organizations from the inside.

  46. @Opinionator
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won’t pass the ball or can’t avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible

    And after the team scores with time running out in a close game, the referees impose a penalty on the team for the miscreant's antics, resulting in very favorable field position for the opposing team and giving them an opportunity to put the game away for good.

    (Notwithstanding that addendum, I appreciated the humor/sarcasm in your post.)

    Replies: @Opinionator

    “time running out” = late in the fourth quarter

  47. My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it’s one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It’s a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy’s version of Wall Street.

    Jews don’t crowd the oil biz, the way they crowd Big Media, Finance, the professions, and anything that comes with a megaphone. Oil biz offers no megaphone, and as white collar enterprises go, smacks of manual labor, like manufacturing.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

  48. Oil biz also does all of its real work well outside of cities.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Svigor

    A lot of refining is in big cities or their suburbs: Houston, Philadelphia, Whiting, Indiana (near Chicago), etc.

  49. @Svigor

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it’s one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It’s a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy’s version of Wall Street.
     
    Jews don't crowd the oil biz, the way they crowd Big Media, Finance, the professions, and anything that comes with a megaphone. Oil biz offers no megaphone, and as white collar enterprises go, smacks of manual labor, like manufacturing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he’s doing something with Trump’s transition team). His book “The Prize” is very good.

    But in general it’s just not that Jewish of a business.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    I know from the book that Americans from every walk of life had a hand in this surge of energy production. What role have you seen people from a Jewish background playing in the early stages of this fracking revolution?

    I was struck and surprised by the impact of various Jews on energy in general, on the evolution of the industry. George Mitchell, the father or grandfather of modern-day drilling and fracking, got his early boost by courting local Jewish investors in the Houston and Galveston area. I interviewed Mr. Mitchell before his recent death and he regaled me with stories of how — and this is something only a 90-something-year-old entrepreneur from Texas can maybe get away with — stories of how the Jews were both good backers and investors and supporters but also gave him a really hard time when he couldn’t find any oil and gas, but he had fond memories of going back and forth with his various Jewish backers, and frankly they kept him going when things were tough, when he was getting his start and even afterwards.
     
    http://forward.com/the-assimilator/189394/fracking-and-the-jews/
    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Leon Hess (March 14, 1914 – May 7, 1999) was the founder of the Hess Corporation and the owner of the New York Jets.
     

    Hess was born on March 14, 1914[1] to a Jewish family[2] in Asbury Park, New Jersey. His parents were Ethel and Mores Hess, who was a kosher butcher who emigrated from Lithuania[1] and - after arriving in the United States - worked as an oil delivery man in Asbury Park, New Jersey.[1][3] Hess worked as a driver for his father's company and - after it went bankrupt in 1933 during the Great Depression - he reorganized the company.[1] He built an oil terminal in Perth Amboy, New Jersey out of old oil tankers and aggressively underbid his competitors to win Federal oil contracts.[1] He served in World War II, rising to the rank of Major, and serving as the fuel supply officer for General George S. Patton where he further developed his logistical expertise.[1]

     


    After the war, using an innovative network of smaller terminals, Hess' success continued. In the late 1950s, he built his first refinery; and in 1960, he opened a chain of gas stations.[1] In the early 1960s he built the world's largest oil refinery at the time on St. Croix in the United States Virgin Islands in order to take advantage of federal tax benefits. The refinery was able to secure foreign refiner status (allowing it to circumvent the federal rule that required the use of higher-cost U.S.-flagged vessels when shipping oil to the East Coast) while also receiving subsidies from the United States Department of Energy as a domestic refinery.[1] In 1963, his company, Hess Oil and Chemical, went public.[1] In 1969, using the proceeds from the Hess sale, he acquired the Amerada Petroleum Corporation, one of the largest producers of crude oil in the United States and - as part of the purchase - merged it with his former company, Hess Oil and Chemical - to form the Amerada Hess Corporation. Hess served as chairman and CEO of Amerada Hess until 1995.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Hess

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    , @5371
    @Steve Sailer

    The Rothschilds were the GM of the Baku oil business in the 19th century, but the Ford of that business was the Nobels (brothers to the dynamite guy).

    , @PenskeFile
    @Steve Sailer


    His book “The Prize” is very good.
     
    The Prize is one of the best business books I've ever read.

    I'm sure Steve knows this, but that book was adapted into a multi-part PBS miniseries that is also simply outstanding. It's probably available online somewhere.

    edit: It's included with Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic-Quest-Money-Power/dp/B01M1D264X/ref=tmm_aiv_swatch_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @kaganovitch
    @Steve Sailer

    Fwiw, the founder of Yeshiva University , Bernard Revel(and his in laws) were Oklahoma oil men.

  50. [“There’s some real causes of concern,” said Ron Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, and an influential voice on Jewish communal policy.]

    Tillerson must have been raised by George Lincoln Rockwell. Or blood brother to Louis Farrakhan…

    [A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues.]

    So becoming Sec of State is like becoming Pope, but for Jews. It’s not acceptable just to never have had a problem with Catholics. You have to have devoted your life to the cause.

    • Replies: @Okie
    @5371

    I had never heard of tillerson till last week, but no record of public service??
    30seconds search finds his scouting record. Isn't a community group like that public? Wasn't that the obsession about gay scouts as it is a public service org?

    , @kaganovitch
    @5371

    Halber is a prominent Hillary supporter and JCRC of Greater Washington is very leftish see

    http://www.jcouncil.org/site/PageServer?pagename=involved_socialaction&AddInterest=1306

    See Halber article

    http://www.jta.org/2016/12/12/default/worst-fears-best-hopes-for-the-trump-presidency-ron-halber-washington-jcrc


    Getting an objective quote from him was never in the cards, nor was that the Forward's intent of course.

  51. @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn't believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump.

    The election’s over. Is the existence of Spencer going to get Trump impeached somehow?

    He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview.

    You’ve been kvetching nonstop about Spencer. Sounds like you got a raging hate crush going on— Stupid sexy Flanders!

    He puts no ones concerns to rest.

    Whose concerns, and what are they, exactly?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Obama, for example, is way smarter than Spencer. Spencer looks like a child in comparison.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  52. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

    I know from the book that Americans from every walk of life had a hand in this surge of energy production. What role have you seen people from a Jewish background playing in the early stages of this fracking revolution?

    I was struck and surprised by the impact of various Jews on energy in general, on the evolution of the industry. George Mitchell, the father or grandfather of modern-day drilling and fracking, got his early boost by courting local Jewish investors in the Houston and Galveston area. I interviewed Mr. Mitchell before his recent death and he regaled me with stories of how — and this is something only a 90-something-year-old entrepreneur from Texas can maybe get away with — stories of how the Jews were both good backers and investors and supporters but also gave him a really hard time when he couldn’t find any oil and gas, but he had fond memories of going back and forth with his various Jewish backers, and frankly they kept him going when things were tough, when he was getting his start and even afterwards.

    http://forward.com/the-assimilator/189394/fracking-and-the-jews/

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

    Leon Hess (March 14, 1914 – May 7, 1999) was the founder of the Hess Corporation and the owner of the New York Jets.

    Hess was born on March 14, 1914[1] to a Jewish family[2] in Asbury Park, New Jersey. His parents were Ethel and Mores Hess, who was a kosher butcher who emigrated from Lithuania[1] and – after arriving in the United States – worked as an oil delivery man in Asbury Park, New Jersey.[1][3] Hess worked as a driver for his father’s company and – after it went bankrupt in 1933 during the Great Depression – he reorganized the company.[1] He built an oil terminal in Perth Amboy, New Jersey out of old oil tankers and aggressively underbid his competitors to win Federal oil contracts.[1] He served in World War II, rising to the rank of Major, and serving as the fuel supply officer for General George S. Patton where he further developed his logistical expertise.[1]

    After the war, using an innovative network of smaller terminals, Hess’ success continued. In the late 1950s, he built his first refinery; and in 1960, he opened a chain of gas stations.[1] In the early 1960s he built the world’s largest oil refinery at the time on St. Croix in the United States Virgin Islands in order to take advantage of federal tax benefits. The refinery was able to secure foreign refiner status (allowing it to circumvent the federal rule that required the use of higher-cost U.S.-flagged vessels when shipping oil to the East Coast) while also receiving subsidies from the United States Department of Energy as a domestic refinery.[1] In 1963, his company, Hess Oil and Chemical, went public.[1] In 1969, using the proceeds from the Hess sale, he acquired the Amerada Petroleum Corporation, one of the largest producers of crude oil in the United States and – as part of the purchase – merged it with his former company, Hess Oil and Chemical – to form the Amerada Hess Corporation. Hess served as chairman and CEO of Amerada Hess until 1995.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Hess

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @syonredux

    "The refinery was able to secure foreign refiner status (allowing it to circumvent the federal rule that required the use of higher-cost U.S.-flagged vessels when shipping oil to the East Coast) while also receiving subsidies from the United States Department of Energy as a domestic refinery."

    That's dishonest.

  54. @mts1
    @countenance

    Exactly. I thought Netanyahu was getting better relations with both Russia and surrounding Arab countries (except for Saudi Arabia) as per Sailer's post of a couple days ago, so I would think this was a good thing. I like it as it prevents Russia from getting cozier to Iran, and maybe there could be a detente around Israel, as the Arab states would have reason now to control their professional refugees and keep them from lobbing rockets into Israel. So how is Tillerson bad again if he meshes with Netanyahu?

    Replies: @Gabriel M

    The worry among some is that Tillerson will emulate James Baker, who worked pretty hard to bring down Israel’s right-wing government and help Leftist Jews take over Israel and commence their project of national suicide. Of course, many commentators here take it as a given that the best way to fight Left wing Jews is to help Left wing Jews and endlessly repeat their propaganda.

    Anyway, there doesn’t appear to be anything to worry about. James Baker was sui generis. I imagine, like Kevin Macdonald and, I think, Steve Sailer, he had negative experiences with Jews during his early adulthood. His anti-Israel obsession had nothing to do with his broader politics. The broader theme is that the elite wants to use *anti-semitism!* as a way of protecting itself. The problem is that Trump has too man Jewish connections and supporters. The idea seems to be to throw around anything that might make Jews’ Anne-Frank-Movie-Flashbacks kick in so that these connections/supporters fall away. It’s of a piece with the various other increasingly pathetic and desperate response the Left/elite is making to this election.

    • Agree: International Jew
  55. @countenance
    But wait.

    They're all worried about Israel.

    But we found out that Israel's current head of state now has some of the same foreign policy proclivities as Rex Tillerson.

    Replies: @mts1, @Maj. Kong

    PM Netanyahu is head of government, President Rivlin is head of state. In parliamentary systems, the head of state is like the British monarch since Victoria.

    Now, the defense minister of Israel, Avigdor Lieberman, is very friendly towards Russia.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

    The Rothschilds were the GM of the Baku oil business in the 19th century, but the Ford of that business was the Nobels (brothers to the dynamite guy).

  57. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is looking really good.

    Didn't I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews aren't necessarily so supportive of Zionism? And isn't Donald's son-in-law (and daughter too now) Orthodox?

    Is it possible we have a new president who is simultaneously Good For The Jews and free from Zionist preoccupations?

    Signed,
    Sleepy and Poorly Informed

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @SFG, @International Jew

    There are those known as the Haredi sect, which are inward looking and uninterested in any state, Zionist or otherwise.

    Kushner is what is called Modern Orthodox, a different sect. But given time, I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Maj. Kong

    > I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian

    but Ivanka has turned herself into a Platinum Blond, which puts her right smack in the middle of frekha territory. Maybe she'll buy a house in Beit She'an and hang out with all the Moroccan housewives

    I read a paragraph in the (London-based) trade journal of the cosmetics industry, that working class Israeli chicks are (per capita, or however they figure it) in the top three consumers (in the world) of blond hair dye.

    We have a LOT of experience in smuggling Kurdish oil into Ashdod Port. And don't forget that Ariel Sharon's kids still own a cattle ranch in on the far outskirts of Beersheva. We will have no problems in sharing hors d'oevres with Secretary Tillerson. And he can go hunting wild goat in the Ramat ha-Golan hills with all the Druze sergeants of the Border Police. They speak Arabic in their villages, will that help?

    radical-leftist The Forward would love to see Israel on its knees, PLUS - it can't even even pay its writers on schedule. I don't know why you guys think that it is the voice of Zion.

    Replies: @inertial

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Opinionator

    Why was he reinstated on Twitter, and was anyone else?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’m not sure how the Twitter verifying process works, but it may be more low-level DMV type than might appear at first glance.

    Note that Matthew Heimbach, who openly admires National Socialism, is verified and isn’t banned. He’s another Hal Turner.

    Spencer’s ex-wife is Russian, Cernovich suggested he’s linked to the CIA, but I’d be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR. The latter two would alarm Hungary more, I doubt our deep state wanted to give him street cred to only have him melt apart under the public eye.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Anonymous

    [Spencer’s ex-wife is Russian ... I’d be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR]

    The depth of your thinking is astonishing.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Heidi Beirich, spokeswoman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, told USA TODAY that the center had asked Twitter to remove more than 100 accounts of white supremacists who violated Twitter's terms of service. She also pointed to two alt-right accounts that had been verified by Twitter, Spencer's and Heimblach's.
     
  59. @Anonymous

    The Int'l Spectator @intlspectator

    BREAKING: There is now 'significant hesitation' in Trump team over appointment of Rex Tillerson as US Secretary of State
     

    God, I wish Trump would drop Tillerson and pick Mearsheimer and Walt for SoS and Deputy. Kvetching is positively mellifluous when it's turned up to 11.

    Replies: @IHTG

    lol, why do you think it is that they’re hesitating to appoint Tillerson?

  60. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Leon Hess (March 14, 1914 – May 7, 1999) was the founder of the Hess Corporation and the owner of the New York Jets.
     

    Hess was born on March 14, 1914[1] to a Jewish family[2] in Asbury Park, New Jersey. His parents were Ethel and Mores Hess, who was a kosher butcher who emigrated from Lithuania[1] and - after arriving in the United States - worked as an oil delivery man in Asbury Park, New Jersey.[1][3] Hess worked as a driver for his father's company and - after it went bankrupt in 1933 during the Great Depression - he reorganized the company.[1] He built an oil terminal in Perth Amboy, New Jersey out of old oil tankers and aggressively underbid his competitors to win Federal oil contracts.[1] He served in World War II, rising to the rank of Major, and serving as the fuel supply officer for General George S. Patton where he further developed his logistical expertise.[1]

     


    After the war, using an innovative network of smaller terminals, Hess' success continued. In the late 1950s, he built his first refinery; and in 1960, he opened a chain of gas stations.[1] In the early 1960s he built the world's largest oil refinery at the time on St. Croix in the United States Virgin Islands in order to take advantage of federal tax benefits. The refinery was able to secure foreign refiner status (allowing it to circumvent the federal rule that required the use of higher-cost U.S.-flagged vessels when shipping oil to the East Coast) while also receiving subsidies from the United States Department of Energy as a domestic refinery.[1] In 1963, his company, Hess Oil and Chemical, went public.[1] In 1969, using the proceeds from the Hess sale, he acquired the Amerada Petroleum Corporation, one of the largest producers of crude oil in the United States and - as part of the purchase - merged it with his former company, Hess Oil and Chemical - to form the Amerada Hess Corporation. Hess served as chairman and CEO of Amerada Hess until 1995.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Hess

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    “The refinery was able to secure foreign refiner status (allowing it to circumvent the federal rule that required the use of higher-cost U.S.-flagged vessels when shipping oil to the East Coast) while also receiving subsidies from the United States Department of Energy as a domestic refinery.”

    That’s dishonest.

  61. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I'm not sure how the Twitter verifying process works, but it may be more low-level DMV type than might appear at first glance.

    Note that Matthew Heimbach, who openly admires National Socialism, is verified and isn't banned. He's another Hal Turner.

    Spencer's ex-wife is Russian, Cernovich suggested he's linked to the CIA, but I'd be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR. The latter two would alarm Hungary more, I doubt our deep state wanted to give him street cred to only have him melt apart under the public eye.

    Replies: @5371, @Anonymous

    [Spencer’s ex-wife is Russian … I’d be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR]

    The depth of your thinking is astonishing.

  62. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I'm not sure how the Twitter verifying process works, but it may be more low-level DMV type than might appear at first glance.

    Note that Matthew Heimbach, who openly admires National Socialism, is verified and isn't banned. He's another Hal Turner.

    Spencer's ex-wife is Russian, Cernovich suggested he's linked to the CIA, but I'd be more apt to suggest the GRU or SVR. The latter two would alarm Hungary more, I doubt our deep state wanted to give him street cred to only have him melt apart under the public eye.

    Replies: @5371, @Anonymous

    Heidi Beirich, spokeswoman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, told USA TODAY that the center had asked Twitter to remove more than 100 accounts of white supremacists who violated Twitter’s terms of service. She also pointed to two alt-right accounts that had been verified by Twitter, Spencer’s and Heimblach’s.

  63. @Maj. Kong
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There are those known as the Haredi sect, which are inward looking and uninterested in any state, Zionist or otherwise.

    Kushner is what is called Modern Orthodox, a different sect. But given time, I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian.

    Replies: @Karl

    > I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian

    but Ivanka has turned herself into a Platinum Blond, which puts her right smack in the middle of frekha territory. Maybe she’ll buy a house in Beit She’an and hang out with all the Moroccan housewives

    I read a paragraph in the (London-based) trade journal of the cosmetics industry, that working class Israeli chicks are (per capita, or however they figure it) in the top three consumers (in the world) of blond hair dye.

    We have a LOT of experience in smuggling Kurdish oil into Ashdod Port. And don’t forget that Ariel Sharon’s kids still own a cattle ranch in on the far outskirts of Beersheva. We will have no problems in sharing hors d’oevres with Secretary Tillerson. And he can go hunting wild goat in the Ramat ha-Golan hills with all the Druze sergeants of the Border Police. They speak Arabic in their villages, will that help?

    radical-leftist The Forward would love to see Israel on its knees, PLUS – it can’t even even pay its writers on schedule. I don’t know why you guys think that it is the voice of Zion.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Karl

    "Israeli chicks are (per capita, or however they figure it) in the top three consumers (in the world) of blond hair dye."

    I had to lol at "per capita."

  64. Could Trump be thinking about pacifying our relationship with Russia before he starts to really put the squeeze on China? Is he capable of thinking that strategically?

  65. @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    A personal vignette regarding David Horowitz. Some decades ago I attended a lecture he gave at New York University. Afterwards I asked him to sign some of his books (at that time I was one of his devotees, I wised up later!). As I spoke with him I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman - I kid you not.

    Replies: @Anon, @antipater_1, @pepperinmono

    Madman’s eyes – No surprise there. The late Laurence Auster used to mention Horowitz and his “eccentricities” on occasion because he knew him well. Horowitz kicked Auster out of Front Page magazine for being to much of a Rightist realist.

    Horowitz started out life as a left wing nut but now he’s a right wing nut. Nut remains the operative word.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @antipater_1

    It is of course possible that Horowitz kicked Auster off his magazine because he (Auster) was difficult to work with. Auster was widely considered to be a difficult man. Although it is probably true that Horowitz did not want to acknowledge race-realism. Perhaps Horowitz believes it, but he still might not want to talk about it.

    I liked both Horowitz and Auster. They both had valuable things to say, and said them well. Horowitz' books - especially Radical Son - were quite influential in the formation of my thinking. And I liked how he turned the rhetorical tactics of the left against them. Learning from the left is something that the right must do to win.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  66. @5371
    [“There’s some real causes of concern,” said Ron Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, and an influential voice on Jewish communal policy.]

    Tillerson must have been raised by George Lincoln Rockwell. Or blood brother to Louis Farrakhan...

    [A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues.]

    So becoming Sec of State is like becoming Pope, but for Jews. It's not acceptable just to never have had a problem with Catholics. You have to have devoted your life to the cause.

    Replies: @Okie, @kaganovitch

    I had never heard of tillerson till last week, but no record of public service??
    30seconds search finds his scouting record. Isn’t a community group like that public? Wasn’t that the obsession about gay scouts as it is a public service org?

  67. @Opinionator
    @Opinionator

    Revised and edited to read:

    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump. I didn't believe the plant accusations at first, but I am honestly beginning to wonder. He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview. He puts no ones concerns to rest. The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    “He puts no ones concerns to rest.”

    Who’s concerns? Yours? This thread isn’t even about him, or anything tangentially related to him. We don’t care about your concerns.

    “The guy is either insane, hugely stupid, or a plant.”

    Which are you? My money’s on stupid – outside chance of insane.

  68. @Dan Hayes
    @Anon

    A personal vignette regarding David Horowitz. Some decades ago I attended a lecture he gave at New York University. Afterwards I asked him to sign some of his books (at that time I was one of his devotees, I wised up later!). As I spoke with him I made a startling discovery: his eyes were those of literally a madman - I kid you not.

    Replies: @Anon, @antipater_1, @pepperinmono

    A less interesting vignette.
    Years ago I was not getting some literature from Horowitz organization so I called to correct.
    Horowitz himself answers phone.
    We had a short amiable chat.
    Brilliant guy.
    Don’t always agree with him.
    But one has to admire him for the bravery of committing the ultimate sin:publicly breaking with the left.
    He is vilified for this.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @pepperinmono

    The thing to keep in mind is that Horowitz man's always intense.

    https://youtu.be/fN2AXsF-kwc?t=1m30s

  69. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    Yeah but that’s finance/banking. Funding anything (except nationalism for thee, I guess) is Jewish.

    The worry among some is that Tillerson will emulate James Baker, who worked pretty hard to bring down Israel’s right-wing government and help Leftist Jews take over Israel and commence their project of national suicide.

    Turnabout being fair play, and all.

    I imagine, like Kevin Macdonald and, I think, Steve Sailer, he had negative experiences with Jews during his early adulthood.

    I imagine

    Now that part, I believe.

    MacDonald wrote in his trilogy that he was a 60s radical, and admired Jews. It wasn’t until much later, when he started peeking behind the curtain, that this started to change.

    The thing where some Jews think they get to throw everyone onto the pseudo-scientific psychological couch = obnoxious.

    Note that Matthew Heimbach, who openly admires National Socialism, is verified and isn’t banned. He’s another Hal Turner.

    Just as an aside, openly admiring National Socialism makes a lot more sense than openly admiring communism. National Socialism failed, once. Communism has failed over and over and over.

  70. @antipater_1
    @Dan Hayes

    Madman's eyes - No surprise there. The late Laurence Auster used to mention Horowitz and his "eccentricities" on occasion because he knew him well. Horowitz kicked Auster out of Front Page magazine for being to much of a Rightist realist.

    Horowitz started out life as a left wing nut but now he's a right wing nut. Nut remains the operative word.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    It is of course possible that Horowitz kicked Auster off his magazine because he (Auster) was difficult to work with. Auster was widely considered to be a difficult man. Although it is probably true that Horowitz did not want to acknowledge race-realism. Perhaps Horowitz believes it, but he still might not want to talk about it.

    I liked both Horowitz and Auster. They both had valuable things to say, and said them well. Horowitz’ books – especially Radical Son – were quite influential in the formation of my thinking. And I liked how he turned the rhetorical tactics of the left against them. Learning from the left is something that the right must do to win.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    I've only glanced at Horowitz's late books, but a friend says "Radical Son" is far better.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  71. TILLERSON WON’T DRAIN THE SWAMP AT STATE. HE’S PC TO THE BONE DAMMIT. CRAPPY PICK.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Anonymous

    What are you seeing?

  72. @Mr. Anon
    @antipater_1

    It is of course possible that Horowitz kicked Auster off his magazine because he (Auster) was difficult to work with. Auster was widely considered to be a difficult man. Although it is probably true that Horowitz did not want to acknowledge race-realism. Perhaps Horowitz believes it, but he still might not want to talk about it.

    I liked both Horowitz and Auster. They both had valuable things to say, and said them well. Horowitz' books - especially Radical Son - were quite influential in the formation of my thinking. And I liked how he turned the rhetorical tactics of the left against them. Learning from the left is something that the right must do to win.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I’ve only glanced at Horowitz’s late books, but a friend says “Radical Son” is far better.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    "Radical Son" was a very good book - well written, and insightful. I highly recommend it.

  73. @pepperinmono
    @Dan Hayes

    A less interesting vignette.
    Years ago I was not getting some literature from Horowitz organization so I called to correct.
    Horowitz himself answers phone.
    We had a short amiable chat.
    Brilliant guy.
    Don't always agree with him.
    But one has to admire him for the bravery of committing the ultimate sin:publicly breaking with the left.
    He is vilified for this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The thing to keep in mind is that Horowitz man’s always intense.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

    His book “The Prize” is very good.

    The Prize is one of the best business books I’ve ever read.

    I’m sure Steve knows this, but that book was adapted into a multi-part PBS miniseries that is also simply outstanding. It’s probably available online somewhere.

    edit: It’s included with Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic-Quest-Money-Power/dp/B01M1D264X/ref=tmm_aiv_swatch_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @PenskeFile

    Yes, "The Prize" was a good book - an interesting read about the history of an enormously important industry.

  75. @Hunsdon
    @Jefferson

    Please to be dialing it down. Michael Moore said it, and Michael Moore was right. Nothing wrong with admitting it. What did Churchill say when asked about his newfound decent words for Stalin? Something about kind words for the Devil, if he came out against Hitler?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

    Replies: @Jefferson, @Steven Wilson

    The Churchill quote was to the effect that if “Hitler invaded hell, I would, on the same day, make a favorable reference to the devil on the floor of the House of Commons.” I’m sure he rumbled it slightly better.

  76. @Jefferson
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience."

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it's one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It's a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy's version of Wall Street.

    Replies: @inertial, @Olorin, @SFG

    Or perhaps it’s because, in the popular imagination, oil industry starts wars all over the place. “No blood for oil.” I am sure even some iSteve commenters had said it once or twice.

  77. @Karl
    @Maj. Kong

    > I suspect many Jewish leftists will start calling him a crypto-Christian

    but Ivanka has turned herself into a Platinum Blond, which puts her right smack in the middle of frekha territory. Maybe she'll buy a house in Beit She'an and hang out with all the Moroccan housewives

    I read a paragraph in the (London-based) trade journal of the cosmetics industry, that working class Israeli chicks are (per capita, or however they figure it) in the top three consumers (in the world) of blond hair dye.

    We have a LOT of experience in smuggling Kurdish oil into Ashdod Port. And don't forget that Ariel Sharon's kids still own a cattle ranch in on the far outskirts of Beersheva. We will have no problems in sharing hors d'oevres with Secretary Tillerson. And he can go hunting wild goat in the Ramat ha-Golan hills with all the Druze sergeants of the Border Police. They speak Arabic in their villages, will that help?

    radical-leftist The Forward would love to see Israel on its knees, PLUS - it can't even even pay its writers on schedule. I don't know why you guys think that it is the voice of Zion.

    Replies: @inertial

    “Israeli chicks are (per capita, or however they figure it) in the top three consumers (in the world) of blond hair dye.”

    I had to lol at “per capita.”

  78. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Opinionator

    Could we get him to do a European tour and "endorse" Marine LePen & Frauke Petry? I'm sure they'd love the publicity plus the challenge of having another 10 point media headwind to struggle against.

    RS is like the miscreant on a team who won't pass the ball or can't avoid showboating in the end zone even though his contribution to the offense was negligible. However, the alt right / alt light hasn't actually done anything anywhere YET. DJT doesn't take office for 5 weeks. Maybe RS is working with Soros to better set a narrative for illegitimacy, Russian manipulation etc.

    Is there an alt right party in Iceland, Uruguay or Bermuda which RS could be sent to help?

    Replies: @Opinionator, @(((Owen)))

    Could we get him to do a European tour and

    Britain and Hungary’s governments have already wisely banned Spencer for life. Germany and France should do the same.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @(((Owen)))

    Epic judgement fail by ((Owen)).
    RS is errant, but he is hardly a violent revolutionary. Talk radio giant Michael Savage is also banned from the UK, and I suspect 80% of the readers of Unz Review would be also be - were they public figures who could speak candidly in the town square.
    Most EU countries are soft totalitarian states with harsh restrictions on freedom of speech. If Labor had won in 2015, then Hillary also won, it is very plausible that Trump would have been banned also due to his audacity in pointing that many Mexican illegals are rapists. See:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

    Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    , @Gabriel M
    @(((Owen)))

    I'm not Spencer's biggest fan, but that's a ridiculous comment. Also, I think Spencer did pretty well in Texas recently.

    If Spencer should learn one thing it's to refuse to give anything except live on-air interviews to the press.

    Britain bans people all the time, for example (((our))) future Prime Minister, please G-d.
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Feiglin-banned-from-entering-Britain

  79. @Opinionator
    Richard Spencer is just awful? Is he deliberately trying to torpedo Trump? Here's a new MSM interview of him:

    https://gma.yahoo.com/asian-american-journalist-interview-white-nationalist-200511032--abc-news-topstories.html#comments

    Replies: @Opinionator, @ben tillman

    Richard Spencer is just awful? Is he deliberately trying to torpedo Trump? Here’s a new MSM interview of him:

    https://gma.yahoo.com/asian-american-journalist-interview-white-nationalist-200511032–abc-news-topstories.html#comments

    What do you take issue with?

    The only problem I see is something he supposedly told Mother Jones:

    Hispanics . . . are more genetically predisposed to commit crimes.

  80. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    There have been Jews who were very successful in the oil biz, like Armand Hammer who did well in Libya. Shell was founded by a Jewish Brit. The Rothschilds funded the Russian oil biz way back around the beginning of the 20th Century.

    The top writer on oil industry history is Daniel Yergin from Beverly Hills (I think he's doing something with Trump's transition team). His book "The Prize" is very good.

    But in general it's just not that Jewish of a business.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @5371, @PenskeFile, @kaganovitch

    Fwiw, the founder of Yeshiva University , Bernard Revel(and his in laws) were Oklahoma oil men.

  81. @5371
    [“There’s some real causes of concern,” said Ron Halber, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Washington, and an influential voice on Jewish communal policy.]

    Tillerson must have been raised by George Lincoln Rockwell. Or blood brother to Louis Farrakhan...

    [A lifelong Exxon Mobil executive, Tillerson has no public service background, and no public track record on Israel-related issues.]

    So becoming Sec of State is like becoming Pope, but for Jews. It's not acceptable just to never have had a problem with Catholics. You have to have devoted your life to the cause.

    Replies: @Okie, @kaganovitch

    Halber is a prominent Hillary supporter and JCRC of Greater Washington is very leftish see

    http://www.jcouncil.org/site/PageServer?pagename=involved_socialaction&AddInterest=1306

    See Halber article

    http://www.jta.org/2016/12/12/default/worst-fears-best-hopes-for-the-trump-presidency-ron-halber-washington-jcrc

    Getting an objective quote from him was never in the cards, nor was that the Forward’s intent of course.

  82. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Face it … Trump’s policies are in opposition to the Jewish establishment across the board.

    That is not to say he is anti-semitic. He is simply free to follow his natural impulses as a guy who loves his country.

    But to love this country (every country less for Israel) is the definition of anti-Semitism (although one of many. There’s, of course, one for each use). And Nazism. And neo-Nazism.
    Do your homework.

  83. It doesn’t get more Jewish than being the PM of Israel, and Netanyahu said Trump was not just Kosher but officially Good For The Jews ™ so these types need to shut up already. Too bad nobody with a megaphone will confront them about the ridiculousness of their “fear”.

  84. I remember a specific complaint when they were putting together the Bush II cabinet that there ‘weren’t enough Jews’ on it. ( The defense was oh yes there are just look at x, xx, xxx, you get the idea.)

    If anything they’ve mellowed since then.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Ben H

    There were no Jews in Bush's first cabinet. On the other hand, it contained three Arabs.

  85. We live inside a Jewish matrix. Jews kvetching with other Jews about what’s good for Jews.

    This site is no exception of course.

  86. @kihowi
    I've got a postage stamp here and a pencil and I'm going to make the definitive list of everything that does not spook jewish groups.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Wait one. I thought using “spook” was a Microaggression.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    Soon using "spook" as a verb will result in macroaggressions against you.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @CJ
    @Olorin

    In Philip Roth's novel The Human Stain, protagonist Coleman Silk is a professor who runs afoul of campus PC forces when he asks his class about some students who have enrolled but never attended. "Are they spooks?" he asks, and soon he is assailed by self-righteous vibrants.

  87. @Jefferson
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience."

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it's one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It's a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy's version of Wall Street.

    Replies: @inertial, @Olorin, @SFG

    Also, the oil billionaires started out by doing actual work that gets your hands really dirty.

    The Wharton and Annenberg Jews I interacted with considered that worthy of particular hatred. REAL billionaires get rich on soft-handed monetary speculation, not on anything involving infrastructure at the material level.

    But I always suspected it came down to acquisitive envy. That human failing against which Yahweh spends some 70% of his Basic Law warning His Chosen.

    Do not have any other god before God.
    Do not make yourself an idol.
    Do not take the Lord’s name in vain.

    Don’t steal god’s valor.

    Honor thy Father and thy Mother

    Don’t steal your parents’ valor.

    Keep the sabbath day holy

    Don’t steal god’s valor.

    Do not murder.

    Don’t steal someone else’s life.

    Do not commit adultery.

    Don’t steal someone else’s mate.

    Do not steal.

    Don’t steal.

    Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.

    Don’t steal the truth from your neighbor and community.

    Do not covet.

    Don’t set yourself up in a mindset to steal.

    OK, 100%.

  88. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Opinionator


    Richard Spencer is just awful. He seems to be trying deliberately tarnish Trump.
     
    The election’s over. Is the existence of Spencer going to get Trump impeached somehow?

    He is just so needlessly inflammatory in this interview.
     
    You’ve been kvetching nonstop about Spencer. Sounds like you got a raging hate crush going on— Stupid sexy Flanders!

    He puts no ones concerns to rest.
     
    Whose concerns, and what are they, exactly?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Obama, for example, is way smarter than Spencer. Spencer looks like a child in comparison.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Opinionator

    "Obama, for example, is way smarter than Spencer."

    I think perhaps Obama is way smarter than you.

  89. @Anonymous
    TILLERSON WON'T DRAIN THE SWAMP AT STATE. HE'S PC TO THE BONE DAMMIT. CRAPPY PICK.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What are you seeing?

  90. @Olorin
    @kihowi

    Wait one. I thought using "spook" was a Microaggression.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @CJ

    Soon using “spook” as a verb will result in macroaggressions against you.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Steve Sailer

    Already had it happen.

    San Francisco, meeting with a ginormous Big Green foundation that was informing various NGOs that it was dropping certain programming in "sustainability" for programming in the new exciting era of Environmental Racism.

    Oh to be able to report having been kekky when I let slip the use of "spook" as a verb the next day (not on the topic of E.R., either).

    The ensuing bodice-heaving indicated a career change was in order. Not one regret has ever resulted.

  91. @Ben H
    I remember a specific complaint when they were putting together the Bush II cabinet that there 'weren't enough Jews' on it. ( The defense was oh yes there are just look at x, xx, xxx, you get the idea.)

    If anything they've mellowed since then.

    Replies: @inertial

    There were no Jews in Bush’s first cabinet. On the other hand, it contained three Arabs.

  92. Meanwhile, Back in Detroit

    “Too many votes”

    Got to love the phraseology.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/”

    Notice the “too many” is missing from the URL..

    Nary a mention of the phrase ” Voter Fraud”

  93. @Anon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f2Bx9t5Mt8

    One Jewish guy who isn't spooked.

    Horowitz isn't Alt Right(in no shape or form), but if anyone on the 'right' foreshadowed something like the Alt Right, it was Horowitz.

    While Alt Right pays homage to Gottfried and Rothbard, neither was the kind of dogged fighter that Horowitz was.

    Neocons sought respectability and establishment position. Horowitz, though allied with Neocons on the Israel issue, was far more committed to combating the 'left'. And he always regarded the 'left' as the bigger enemy of the Jews. He knew about the 'left' because he'd been part of the 60s Left that made the 'long march through the institutions' and became the GLOB. In a way, the GLOB was more dangerous. While 60s radicals had crazy ideas and were delusional, they were driven by some real ideals. But over time, they became cynical, and it was all about the Power. Hillary and those around her were prime examples of this.

    Neocons were just happy to gain control of GOP, push Zionist agenda, and even work with Libs and the 'left' to suppress White-conscious Conservatism.

    Though Horowitz, as Zionist, cannot be a fan of white-centric Alt Right, he is a firm believer that the biggest enemy of the West is the Left and Glob. In this, he was more principled than the Neocons and Cucks who were mainly for position and status.



    There was a National Review gathering in the early 90s when a bunch of respectable luminaries gave nice-sounding speeches. Horowitz then appeared on stage and warned them that they don't have what it takes to take on the Enemy that is far more dogged, cynical, driven, radical, and ruthless. And given what happened in coming yrs, Horowitz was right.
    Where he was wrong was the failure to see that this danger came not only from the 'left' but from Neocons who got overly power-hungry and corrupt. Horowitz's Zionism made him overlook the excesses of the Neocons and Bush II. Still, his attack on NeverTrump Neocons in 2016 indicates his disenchantment with them. Horowitz saw them as careerists than good soldiers.

    Now, Horowitz's reason for supporting Trump is very different from that of Alt Right, but both sides seems to understand that a new vanguard is necessary to move away from old staid and defunct paradigms of power. These are radical times.

    Also, Neocons grew out of Trotskyism prior to the 60s. Its heyday was when leftist radicalism was still adult and 'conservative' and mature in style. The ideas were radical but the personal style was still respectable, restrained, and even 'bourgeois'. After all, even Trotsky himself didn't have a tattoo on his ass or indulge in homomania.

    So, former Trotskyites didn't really get what the 60s were about. They just took flight from the crazy left of the 60s and found a new home in the GOP as the Democrats seemed to cave too much to black demands. (As immigration and globalism made the Democrats increasing the Diversity party and Free Trade party and LESS the black party and white 'dumb Polack' labor party, some neocons began to move back. But then, BLM & BDS prolly triggered a good number of Jews even if they mostly stuck with Hillary. If Hillary's loss leads to Democratic Party being taken over by blacks and anti-Zionist POC, it could spell exodus of Jews.)
    In contrast, Horowitz was in the very thick of 60s radicalism that was far more nihilistic, narcissistic, and decadent that 'leftism' of an earlier time. Those elements of excesses of 60s culture meant that future politics could be more no-holds-barred, reckless, and insane.
    If Neocons didn't get 60s radicalism and just ran from it, Horowitz was at its center and saw everything. So, he knows the mind-set of the Left. Now, he must know that the hardcore 60s leftist types didn't gain the most power. After all, it was the middle-of-roaders like Clintons and Obamas and Kerrys that gained power, not the Bill Ayers and Abbie Hoffman's. But Horowitz is convinced that the entire Left spectrum since the 60s is infected with the same nihilistic spirit. Given the rise of homomania and reckless globalist open borders rhetoric, he may be right. GLOB went capitalist, but its spirit is totally nihilistic and destructive of order, the organic, and the meaningful. What the Right failed to understand is that this destructive spirit could also animate the capitalists. If there is anything that unites Wall Street goons like Jordan Belfort and commies like Bill Ayers, it's their utter nihilism. Anything goes for the struggle, power, and wealth. No holds barred.

    And we've seen that with the rise of Progs trained and brainwashed by boomer radical globs. And in a way, Trump is also part of this excessive politics of boomer era. Fewer inhibitions, wilder, more aggressive, shameless, blustering, and etc. But Trump victory suggests that some are waking to the fact that in the new order, fire must be met with fire.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @SFG

    Horowitz takes the Breitbartian implicitly-pro-white-but-not-anti-Zionist middle ground. It’s actually not that crazy. Really, you can go after George Soros and support Binyamin Netanyahu. The Israelis aren’t obsessed with increasing illegal immigration, that’s liberal diaspora Jews.

  94. @Jefferson
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "You are assuming that most Jews respond rationally to the circumstances we face. That has not been my experience."

    My theory is Jewish hatred for American oil tycoons has to do with the fact that it's one of the few industries in The U.S where Gentile billionaires & millionaires outnumber Jewish billionaires & millionaires. It's a jealousy factor. Jews get jealous when they see Goys dominate an industry and outperform them. The oil industry is the Goy's version of Wall Street.

    Replies: @inertial, @Olorin, @SFG

    Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them."

    The muslims who have a lot of the oil don't seem very hostile to Israel nowadays. There seems to be some sort of secret understanding between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and some of the Gulf States, that goes beyond a mere temporary alliance of convenience. Seems to be, anyway.

    Replies: @International Jew

  95. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is looking really good.

    Didn't I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews aren't necessarily so supportive of Zionism? And isn't Donald's son-in-law (and daughter too now) Orthodox?

    Is it possible we have a new president who is simultaneously Good For The Jews and free from Zionist preoccupations?

    Signed,
    Sleepy and Poorly Informed

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @SFG, @International Jew

    Orthodox Jews are plenty Zionist, except for a few isolated sects. What they’re not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt.

    People on the alt-right use ‘Zionist’ to mean ‘supporting the global, universalist elite’ because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means ‘supporting the state of Israel’.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @SFG


    What they’re not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt
     
    Anti-white liberals (more accurately, progressives) don't have guilt, they use guilt.

    As a weapon.
  96. @Olorin
    @kihowi

    Wait one. I thought using "spook" was a Microaggression.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @CJ

    In Philip Roth’s novel The Human Stain, protagonist Coleman Silk is a professor who runs afoul of campus PC forces when he asks his class about some students who have enrolled but never attended. “Are they spooks?” he asks, and soon he is assailed by self-righteous vibrants.

  97. @(((Owen)))
    @CrunchybutRealistCon


    Could we get him to do a European tour and
     
    Britain and Hungary's governments have already wisely banned Spencer for life. Germany and France should do the same.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Gabriel M

    Epic judgement fail by ((Owen)).
    RS is errant, but he is hardly a violent revolutionary. Talk radio giant Michael Savage is also banned from the UK, and I suspect 80% of the readers of Unz Review would be also be – were they public figures who could speak candidly in the town square.
    Most EU countries are soft totalitarian states with harsh restrictions on freedom of speech. If Labor had won in 2015, then Hillary also won, it is very plausible that Trump would have been banned also due to his audacity in pointing that many Mexican illegals are rapists. See:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

    Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I have an ambition in life to someday see St. Andrews golf links in Scotland. You can walk it for free on Sunday when golf is shut down. I should probably hurry up and do it while Theresa May is prime minister rather than chance someday getting banned from entry by PM Jeremy Corbyn or Scottish PM Nicola Sturgeon.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    "Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility."

    Whereas before they had to use people like Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Peter Brimelow, Pat Buchanan, and John Derbyshire to "smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility".

    I'm sure that if Spencer had finished graduate school and become a fellow at the Heritage Institute or some-such, the MSM would now be engaging in a reasoned, fair, and informed debate about immigration and racial issues. Because that's what they really, really want to do.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon

  98. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    I've only glanced at Horowitz's late books, but a friend says "Radical Son" is far better.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Radical Son” was a very good book – well written, and insightful. I highly recommend it.

  99. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @(((Owen)))

    Epic judgement fail by ((Owen)).
    RS is errant, but he is hardly a violent revolutionary. Talk radio giant Michael Savage is also banned from the UK, and I suspect 80% of the readers of Unz Review would be also be - were they public figures who could speak candidly in the town square.
    Most EU countries are soft totalitarian states with harsh restrictions on freedom of speech. If Labor had won in 2015, then Hillary also won, it is very plausible that Trump would have been banned also due to his audacity in pointing that many Mexican illegals are rapists. See:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

    Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    I have an ambition in life to someday see St. Andrews golf links in Scotland. You can walk it for free on Sunday when golf is shut down. I should probably hurry up and do it while Theresa May is prime minister rather than chance someday getting banned from entry by PM Jeremy Corbyn or Scottish PM Nicola Sturgeon.

  100. @SFG
    @Jefferson

    Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them.”

    The muslims who have a lot of the oil don’t seem very hostile to Israel nowadays. There seems to be some sort of secret understanding between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and some of the Gulf States, that goes beyond a mere temporary alliance of convenience. Seems to be, anyway.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    You're right, Israel and all the Gulf States are allies now, united by their common fear of Iran. But the Saudis and all the others still need to pay lip service to the Palestinian cause, and that typically means pushing Israel to make various dangerous strategic concessions.

    But all in all, as a supporter of Israel, I'm not worried about this Tillerson guy.

  101. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @(((Owen)))

    Epic judgement fail by ((Owen)).
    RS is errant, but he is hardly a violent revolutionary. Talk radio giant Michael Savage is also banned from the UK, and I suspect 80% of the readers of Unz Review would be also be - were they public figures who could speak candidly in the town square.
    Most EU countries are soft totalitarian states with harsh restrictions on freedom of speech. If Labor had won in 2015, then Hillary also won, it is very plausible that Trump would have been banned also due to his audacity in pointing that many Mexican illegals are rapists. See:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

    Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    “Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility.”

    Whereas before they had to use people like Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Peter Brimelow, Pat Buchanan, and John Derbyshire to “smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility”.

    I’m sure that if Spencer had finished graduate school and become a fellow at the Heritage Institute or some-such, the MSM would now be engaging in a reasoned, fair, and informed debate about immigration and racial issues. Because that’s what they really, really want to do.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    @Mr. Anon


    I’m sure that if Spencer had finished graduate school and become a fellow at the Heritage Institute or some-such, the MSM would now be engaging in a reasoned, fair, and informed debate about immigration and racial issues. Because that’s what they really, really want to do.

     

    Sigh. David Cole on taki, and Greg Johnson on counter currents have hashed this out ad infinitum from either side of Richard ideologically. Both argue he is playing his cards badly.

    RS had the chance to combine his youth with the wisdom of his ideological forebears. Standing on the shoulders of 90s Paleocons may seem too tentative for your taste, but one of the biggest reasons that 90s paleoconservatism faded away is that it was de-platformed in an age before social media, and not because its policies were considered lame. It might have helped if they'd had a celebrity leader but the LibMedia was so dominant then, it would have been career suicide for anyone (though Ross Perot should have at least helped & didn't). If RS had asked Brimelow, Taylor or Devlin to review his speech (including the theatrical flourishes), would they have concurred? Not likely. They could have helped him avoid the media trap. But he was probably too vain to take feedback.

    RS sees himself as the badass mischief maker of the Alt Right, a white version of Baron Samedi. Whether that works out for him in the long run is another matter, but it seems clear he will be going it alone for the most part -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX3wGWHRlXQ
  102. @Opinionator
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Obama, for example, is way smarter than Spencer. Spencer looks like a child in comparison.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Obama, for example, is way smarter than Spencer.”

    I think perhaps Obama is way smarter than you.

  103. @PenskeFile
    @Steve Sailer


    His book “The Prize” is very good.
     
    The Prize is one of the best business books I've ever read.

    I'm sure Steve knows this, but that book was adapted into a multi-part PBS miniseries that is also simply outstanding. It's probably available online somewhere.

    edit: It's included with Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Prize-Epic-Quest-Money-Power/dp/B01M1D264X/ref=tmm_aiv_swatch_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Yes, “The Prize” was a good book – an interesting read about the history of an enormously important industry.

  104. @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Orthodox Jews are plenty Zionist, except for a few isolated sects. What they're not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt.

    People on the alt-right use 'Zionist' to mean 'supporting the global, universalist elite' because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means 'supporting the state of Israel'.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    What they’re not is particularly anti-white, since they lack any liberal guilt

    Anti-white liberals (more accurately, progressives) don’t have guilt, they use guilt.

    As a weapon.

  105. @(((Owen)))
    @CrunchybutRealistCon


    Could we get him to do a European tour and
     
    Britain and Hungary's governments have already wisely banned Spencer for life. Germany and France should do the same.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @Gabriel M

    I’m not Spencer’s biggest fan, but that’s a ridiculous comment. Also, I think Spencer did pretty well in Texas recently.

    If Spencer should learn one thing it’s to refuse to give anything except live on-air interviews to the press.

    Britain bans people all the time, for example (((our))) future Prime Minister, please G-d.
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Feiglin-banned-from-entering-Britain

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    Soon using "spook" as a verb will result in macroaggressions against you.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Already had it happen.

    San Francisco, meeting with a ginormous Big Green foundation that was informing various NGOs that it was dropping certain programming in “sustainability” for programming in the new exciting era of Environmental Racism.

    Oh to be able to report having been kekky when I let slip the use of “spook” as a verb the next day (not on the topic of E.R., either).

    The ensuing bodice-heaving indicated a career change was in order. Not one regret has ever resulted.

  107. @Jefferson
    " “In general, people who have led oil companies are not that friendly to Israel,” Klein said. “That concerns me.”

    In general Muslim immigrants are not friendly to Jews and Israel, but that hasn't stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America and Europe.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @International Jew

    but that hasn’t stopped most Jews from supporting massive Muslim immigration into North America

    Meh. While it’s of course true that most Jews supported the candidate — Hillary Clinton — who would have brought us that massive Muslim immigration, I don’t know any Jews who thought that particular feature of Hillary was a plus.

    Everyone I know, who has children in college, is well aware of the real harrassment Jewish students are drawing from the burgeoning population of Muslim students.

  108. @Svigor
    Oil biz also does all of its real work well outside of cities.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    A lot of refining is in big cities or their suburbs: Houston, Philadelphia, Whiting, Indiana (near Chicago), etc.

  109. @Buzz Mohawk
    This is looking really good.

    Didn't I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews aren't necessarily so supportive of Zionism? And isn't Donald's son-in-law (and daughter too now) Orthodox?

    Is it possible we have a new president who is simultaneously Good For The Jews and free from Zionist preoccupations?

    Signed,
    Sleepy and Poorly Informed

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @SFG, @International Jew

    No, 99% of orthodox Jews are not only pro-Israel, they’re the most pro-Israel Jews you’ll ever meet.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    @International Jew

    With the exception of Satmar and a few aligned sects even "anti-Zionist" Haredim are what most people would consider to be pro-Israel. If you ask the typical Hassid what he thinks should be done about rockets from Gaza his response will range from "burn it to the ground", to "burn it to the ground". Their anti-Zionism consists of being against army-service and hatred of abstract symbols like the Magen David (once common as a decoration in religious books, now totally absent) and dead people kike Ben Gurion. One of the largest Haredi population centres, Beitar Illit, is a settlement, they're not keen to see its population evacuated.

  110. @Richard S
    I just hope that when former petrochemical engineer Tillerson meets with former secret police chief Putin, he raises as topics for discussion those issues which impact the most on American global strategy.

    No, not the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and the development of Siberia's infinite resources. I mean the truly great matters of the day, like gay marriage. And, er, privileged access to the media for psychological defectives who chop their balls off and put on dresses.

    That will always be America's number one priority, or Obama's 8 years will have been an embarrassing waste of time.

    Replies: @International Jew

    I think you said that somewhat tongue in cheek, but I’m pretty sure 50% of our MSM’s hatred of Putin grows out of his “wrong” views on LGBT issues.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @International Jew


    I think you said that somewhat tongue in cheek, but I’m pretty sure 50% of our MSM’s hatred of Putin grows out of his “wrong” views on LGBT issues.
     
    It's a good bit more than 50%, but it's all of a piece with his refusal to kowtow to their sham religion like everyone else does, or did pre-Trump. Even Trump makes a big show of being pro-LGBT.
  111. @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Simpler than that. Oil industry execs have to make deals with Muslims because they have lots of oil. That means being nice to Israel is bad for them."

    The muslims who have a lot of the oil don't seem very hostile to Israel nowadays. There seems to be some sort of secret understanding between Israel, Saudi Arabia, and some of the Gulf States, that goes beyond a mere temporary alliance of convenience. Seems to be, anyway.

    Replies: @International Jew

    You’re right, Israel and all the Gulf States are allies now, united by their common fear of Iran. But the Saudis and all the others still need to pay lip service to the Palestinian cause, and that typically means pushing Israel to make various dangerous strategic concessions.

    But all in all, as a supporter of Israel, I’m not worried about this Tillerson guy.

  112. Will he liberate the State Department from the NeoCons ?

  113. @International Jew
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No, 99% of orthodox Jews are not only pro-Israel, they're the most pro-Israel Jews you'll ever meet.

    Replies: @Gabriel M

    With the exception of Satmar and a few aligned sects even “anti-Zionist” Haredim are what most people would consider to be pro-Israel. If you ask the typical Hassid what he thinks should be done about rockets from Gaza his response will range from “burn it to the ground”, to “burn it to the ground”. Their anti-Zionism consists of being against army-service and hatred of abstract symbols like the Magen David (once common as a decoration in religious books, now totally absent) and dead people kike Ben Gurion. One of the largest Haredi population centres, Beitar Illit, is a settlement, they’re not keen to see its population evacuated.

  114. The Israelis aren’t obsessed with increasing illegal immigration, that’s liberal diaspora Jews.

    Yeah, Israeli Jewry is just diaspora Jewry’s BFF. They like to watch. And why not? Diaspora Jewry has it well in hand.

    People on the alt-right use ‘Zionist’ to mean ‘supporting the global, universalist elite’ because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means ‘supporting the state of Israel’.

    I for one refer to the globalist elite as “Zionist” because they are.

    A lot of refining is in big cities or their suburbs: Houston, Philadelphia, Whiting, Indiana (near Chicago), etc.

    True, good point. How about LA and NYC?

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
    @Svigor


    I for one refer to the globalist elite as “Zionist” because they are.
     
    The globalist elite, without exception, favour the Two State Solution, so it would make just as much sense, and probably more, to say that the globalist elite are Palestinian Nationalists. Not supporting the annihilation of the state of Israel doesn't make you a Zionist any more than not supporting the annihilation of Pakistan makes you an Pakistani nationalist.

    Here's a record of how much the globalist elite support Israel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine

    But you are not an honest interlocutor and you continually rehash the same points no matter how many times they are debunked.
  115. @International Jew
    @Richard S

    I think you said that somewhat tongue in cheek, but I'm pretty sure 50% of our MSM's hatred of Putin grows out of his "wrong" views on LGBT issues.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I think you said that somewhat tongue in cheek, but I’m pretty sure 50% of our MSM’s hatred of Putin grows out of his “wrong” views on LGBT issues.

    It’s a good bit more than 50%, but it’s all of a piece with his refusal to kowtow to their sham religion like everyone else does, or did pre-Trump. Even Trump makes a big show of being pro-LGBT.

  116. @Mr. Anon
    @CrunchybutRealistCon

    "Let RS be free to speak his mind, but let him also realize that he is being used as an msm tool to smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility."

    Whereas before they had to use people like Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Peter Brimelow, Pat Buchanan, and John Derbyshire to "smear legitimate advocacy for immigration controls & honesty about racial issues, personal responsibility".

    I'm sure that if Spencer had finished graduate school and become a fellow at the Heritage Institute or some-such, the MSM would now be engaging in a reasoned, fair, and informed debate about immigration and racial issues. Because that's what they really, really want to do.

    Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon

    I’m sure that if Spencer had finished graduate school and become a fellow at the Heritage Institute or some-such, the MSM would now be engaging in a reasoned, fair, and informed debate about immigration and racial issues. Because that’s what they really, really want to do.

    Sigh. David Cole on taki, and Greg Johnson on counter currents have hashed this out ad infinitum from either side of Richard ideologically. Both argue he is playing his cards badly.

    RS had the chance to combine his youth with the wisdom of his ideological forebears. Standing on the shoulders of 90s Paleocons may seem too tentative for your taste, but one of the biggest reasons that 90s paleoconservatism faded away is that it was de-platformed in an age before social media, and not because its policies were considered lame. It might have helped if they’d had a celebrity leader but the LibMedia was so dominant then, it would have been career suicide for anyone (though Ross Perot should have at least helped & didn’t). If RS had asked Brimelow, Taylor or Devlin to review his speech (including the theatrical flourishes), would they have concurred? Not likely. They could have helped him avoid the media trap. But he was probably too vain to take feedback.

    RS sees himself as the badass mischief maker of the Alt Right, a white version of Baron Samedi. Whether that works out for him in the long run is another matter, but it seems clear he will be going it alone for the most part –

  117. @Svigor

    The Israelis aren’t obsessed with increasing illegal immigration, that’s liberal diaspora Jews.
     
    Yeah, Israeli Jewry is just diaspora Jewry's BFF. They like to watch. And why not? Diaspora Jewry has it well in hand.

    People on the alt-right use ‘Zionist’ to mean ‘supporting the global, universalist elite’ because lots of liberal Jews do, but it really just means ‘supporting the state of Israel’.
     
    I for one refer to the globalist elite as "Zionist" because they are.

    A lot of refining is in big cities or their suburbs: Houston, Philadelphia, Whiting, Indiana (near Chicago), etc.
     
    True, good point. How about LA and NYC?

    ...

    Replies: @Gabriel M

    I for one refer to the globalist elite as “Zionist” because they are.

    The globalist elite, without exception, favour the Two State Solution, so it would make just as much sense, and probably more, to say that the globalist elite are Palestinian Nationalists. Not supporting the annihilation of the state of Israel doesn’t make you a Zionist any more than not supporting the annihilation of Pakistan makes you an Pakistani nationalist.

    Here’s a record of how much the globalist elite support Israel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine

    But you are not an honest interlocutor and you continually rehash the same points no matter how many times they are debunked.

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