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From The Forward:

Is A String Of Attacks Against Brooklyn Jews Really About Anti-Semitism?

Ari Feldman, December 5, 2018

… Jews are being targeted, say residents of these communities, by members of non-white ethnic groups who see Jews as symbols of gentrification in their neighborhoods.

“It’s less of an anti-Semitic thing than they needed a target to respond to this word: gentrification,” said Mendel Turner, 28, a salesman at the Borsalino hat store on Kingston Avenue. …

… Indeed, no one who was arrested for perpetrating an anti-Semitic hate crime in New York City in the 22 months leading up to October has been associated with a far right group.

The attacks in Crown Heights are “clearly anti-Semitic,” said the executive director of the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, Rabbi Eli Cohen. But, he said, “if someone feels that white supremacists are feeling more empowered, how would that make a young minority kid hit a Jewish person?”

Crown Heights residents are particularly attuned to violence against Jews because of the neighborhood’s history of racial tension. That culminated in violent riots in 1991 after a car escorting the Lubavitcher Rebbe — the leader of the worldwide Chabad movement, headquartered in Crown Heights — hit two small children, killing one. During the rioting, a Jewish man was stabbed to death by a black assailant. …

Crown Heights residents say that the attacks here are caused by local issues, and need local solutions. They say that rapid gentrification, less intensive policing and other pressures are combining to stoke animosity between Jewish and other minority communities.

Jews are pegged as the representatives of gentrification because, in many poor Brooklyn neighborhoods, they are, says Avi Leshes, a director of economic development at the Brooklyn Chamber of Commerce. …

And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center …

In that regard, Griffith said, the attacks may be an extension of animosity toward white people in general, who drive gentrification in Brooklyn. He added that the attacks are not on the radar of people involved in social justice initiatives in Crown Heights.

“To the extent that people hear about it, they are probably thinking about it in the national context of anti-Semitic acts, and the larger landscape of hatred that is being painted by Donald Trump,” he said.

My guess is that the majority of Jews in New York City who have been victims of anti-Semitic attacks are supporters of Trump.

 
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  1. ‘…the white nationalism that seems to have fueled numerous incidents of Nazi-inflected vandalism nationally…’

    I’m aware of the great Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, of course. What other incidents have been associated with ‘white nationalism’? If anything, it seemed to be more of a black thing.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Anonymous
  2. And the term ‘gentrification,’ while referring to a real process, also seems increasingly to be put to use as a device to justify black violence aimed at whites.

    Blacks always attack members of other groups — white, Asian, Hispanic, Jewish, each other — it’s all good.

    It’s got nothing to do with ‘gentrification.’ The attacks would (and do) occur regardless of what is going on.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Hypnotoad666
    , @Anon
  3. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    non-white ethnic groups

    Eskimos?

  4. Frank G says:

    Blacks as a group aren’t intelligent enough to be anti-Semitic.

  5. Hail says: • Website

    numerous incidents of Nazi-inflected vandalism nationally.

    I often hear this asserted and for some assertion alone is enough, I guess.

    Is there any running database of these alleged ‘Nazi’ incidents, including a running tally of how many are Hate Hoaxes?

    I am thinking of the anti-Semitic phone threats that turned out to be the work of a single manic prank caller…in Israel. I know this is well-trodden ground here in iSteve Land, but I think anti-Semitic incidents in the USA are most usually hoaxes outright; secondarily some number are the work of Non-Westerns (Muslims, Blacks, or the like); very few are by White ‘Nazis.’ (Unless you count Twitter trolls.)

    • Replies: @Ragno
    , @CJ
  6. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews have been telling us that black are sacred objects, and they are never wrong no matter what they do. And we should always side with blacks.

    So, okay, we will side with blacks. Surely, it’d be wrong to label the taking of Jewish advice as ‘antisemitic’. Jews advised us, ‘blacks are holy’ and ‘black rage is noble’. Okay! Black Lives Matter.
    Whatever blacks do in Crown Heights must be as justified as in Ferguson.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  7. El Dato says:

    And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center …

    Fellow black people, do you not read the NYT anymore?

  8. I’m confused. I see no evidence of any “gentry” here.

  9. BenKenobi says:

    It is the Jew who cries out in pain as a minority strikes him!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Lurker
  10. Fredrik says:

    Fascinating article. So much information I don’t think they really want normal white voters to see.

    To summarize De Blasio’s administration has placed shelters for homeless people in black neighbourhoods and there is less policing in these neighbourhoods these days. Black people attack Jews because they are hyper-white and representatives of gentrification.

  11. J.Ross says: • Website

    A black — even a black anti-Semite — must be accorded the benefit of the doubt. But a white kid who tells a dumb joke online should be told that his life is over.

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/excessive-fear-after-in-school-suspension-drove-air-force-hopeful-to-kill-self-suit/

    An Indiana couple is suing a high school two years after their son committed suicide, alleging a two-hour in-house suspension led him to take his own life.

    The lawsuit, filed last month in Hamilton County, alleges that Patrick McCalley, a 17-year-old junior at Carmel High School, died on Oct. 6, 2016, from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after suffering “extreme and excessive psychological distress” while being questioned by an assistant principal about two racially inappropriate Snapchat messages he sent to another student, which depicted an African American classmate hanging from a cartoon noose.

    Patrick “remained isolated” in a closed room as Carmel High School assistant principal Toby Steele and Carmel Police Officer Phil Hobson questioned him about the messages. He then wrote a “self-incriminating statement” under the penalty of perjury and was told he was being expelled or suspended from school, the lawsuit claims.

    [MORE]

    Prior to the incident, Patrick had been an “outstanding student” at the school, where he was a member of the marching band, jazz band and concert band. He also had no prior disciplinary infractions and was preparing for a future in the United States Air Force.

    “When Patrick awoke on October 6, 2016, he was a happy, well-adjusted boy and had just received email correspondence from a representative of the United States Air Force and was excited for the future when he left his home for school,” the lawsuit states.

    But within minutes of leaving the school after being summoned to meet with Steele, the teen decided he no longer wanted to live.

    “Patrick’s father, Christopher McCalley, arrived at the home shortly after Patrick but was too late to prevent Patrick from shooting himself out of the despair caused by Defendants’ actions at school that day,” the lawsuit states. “When Christopher McCalley saw Patrick, he called 911 and tried to stop Patrick’s bleeding. When law enforcement officers responded to his 911 call, Christopher told them this had to be because of whatever just happened to Patrick at school.”

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  12. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    >seems to have fueled
    >some people say
    >according to sources familiar with his thinking

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  13. Hail says: • Website

    while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center

    How many NW-European-Christian-origin Whites are there in the outer boroughs? vs. How many Jews? It may just come down to a numbers game. If all the Whites are gone, it leaves Jews — as ersatz Whites.

    (Somewhat relatedly, what percent of the NYC ‘Black’ ancestral stock in year 1860 was living as slaves in the USA? What percent are from elsewhere, Caribbean, Africa, etc.?)

  14. El Dato says:
    @BenKenobi

    This is generally directly followed by Operation Grapes of Wrath of the Shield of the Righteous Eagle of Lebanon on the Watch for Antisemitism. And a dank IDF video with THX-tier DRAMA! music.

  15. Mike Pink says:

    Areas where non-citizens account for a much larger share of convictions than their 8.4 percent share of the adult population include:

    42.4 percent of kidnapping convictions;
    31.5 percent of drug convictions;
    22.9 percent of money laundering convictions;
    13.4 percent of administration of justice offenses (e.g. witness tampering, obstruction, and contempt);
    17.8 percent of economic crimes (e.g. larceny, embezzlement, and fraud);
    13 percent of other convictions (e.g. bribery, civil rights, environmental, and prison offenses); and
    12.8 percent of auto thefts.

    https://cis.org/Camarota/NonCitizens-Committed-Disproportionate-Share-Federal-Crimes-201116

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  16. istevefan says:
    @Frank G

    Blacks as a group aren’t intelligent enough to be anti-Semitic.

    That is probably correct. In fact most whites can’t distinguish a Jew from a gentile unless it’s a Jew wearing traditional clothing. Basically people on this blog who immediately access wikipedia to ascertain the background of whoever is up for discussion are a rarity, and most whites never think about doing this. I imagine blacks are even less inclined to do so.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  17. J.Ross says: • Website
    @istevefan

    The Jews in Crown Heights are effectively uniformed orthodox. Blacks who have dealt with Jews (worked for them in the past) can identify them.

    • Replies: @william munny
    , @Trevor H.
  18. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

  19. istevefan says:
    @Colin Wright

    And the term ‘gentrification,’ while referring to a real process, also seems increasingly to be put to use as a device to justify black violence aimed at whites.

    First, when whites move into a black area, it is called gentrification and it is bad. Why is it bad? Well they say gentrification drives up home prices, which drives up rents and property taxes. That is true. But just a few days ago we were lectured that white flight drives down home prices which hurts blacks by around $48K in home value. So what do they want? Do they want higher home prices to help blacks, or lower home prices to help blacks?

    Second, when blacks move into a white area, it is celebrated as diversity or desegregation. In most cases it results in lower property values and an increase in crime. But those side effects are considered a fair trade to achieve diversity. Any whites who object or complain are denounced and told, “this is who we are and if you don’t like it, you can leave.” So many whites end up leaving and are denounced even more for white flight.

    Gentrification is just diversifying non-white homogeneous areas, while desegregation is about diversifying White homogeneous areas.

  20. @J.Ross

    You forgot “Nazi-inflected”?!

  21. J.Ross says: • Website

    Apparently this just happened, California State University at Northridge, hate hoax and shooting threat hoax. Sure was nice of the evil white man to tell everyone where not to go and when.

    https://postimg.cc/HVtWxQs6

  22. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    PC is funny.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Thea
    , @TomSchmidt
  23. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    The path of least resistance is where blacks “go their own way” and regard YT with disinterest.

    But is there a limit to the price that white and Jewish liberals aim to extract from us?

  24. Tyrion 2 says:

    How are the types of people who riot still affording places in Brooklyn? A lot of young blokes living with their mother on rent control?

  25. @Colin Wright

    It’s got nothing to do with ‘gentrification.’ The attacks would (and do) occur regardless of what is going on.

    I bet this is exactly right. It’s just a fact blacks commit more crime. When Jews happen to be the local non-black residents they end up being the victims. But this is not acceptable. Jews are not Puerto Ricans, after all.

    This naturally raises the question: How can Jews complain about Black-on-Jew crime without upsetting the Narrative that both groups are perpetual victims?

    The answer (duh!), is that White people are to blame. Whites victimize Blacks with gentrification. This causes Blacks to be unintentionally anti-semitic because they confuse Jews with the real White oppressors. Makes perfect sense.

    • Agree: BB753
  26. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    This naturally raises the question: How can Jews complain about Black-on-Jew crime without upsetting the Narrative that both groups are perpetual victims?

    The answer (duh!), is that White people are to blame. Whites victimize Blacks with gentrification. This causes Blacks to be unintentionally anti-semitic because they confuse Jews with the real White oppressors. Makes perfect sense.

    Agree.

    It’s similar to the recent coverage of the black serial killer who murdered 60 or more black women. Whites were to blame because they don’t police black neighborhoods.

  27. gimeiyo says:
    @Hail

    If all the Whites are gone, it leaves Jews — as ersatz Whites.

    I think both White gentiles and Jews underestimate the degree to which — from the non-White outside, Jews really do seem like the Whitest of the White, rivalled only by Mormons, and then only maybe I think there were only a couple WASP families living anywhere near me when I was growing up. I’m also pretty sure that among my acquaintances, Jews are massively overrepresented among the archetypical blonde-haired blue-eyed Nazi Aryan phenotype. The idea that Ashkenazi Jews aren’t White is arrant nonsense. I suppose you could try to distinguish Sephardic Jews if you really wanted to, but come on — David Yulee was a virulent advocate of slavery in the US Senate, and Judah Benjamin held practically every cabinet position in the Confederacy. Not “White?” It is to laugh!

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Hail
    , @Stan d Mute
  28. Jimi says:

    And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center

    As I previously commented on this blog:

    Growing up in NYC as a non-white, notion that Jews are honorary people of color seems ridiculous to me.

    All the Jews I know are more pale-skinned than the average white, wealthier than the average white, more bookish than the average white and eat blander food than the average white.

    In other words Jews are the whitest of all the white people we know!

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-european-jews-to-the-right-of-american-jews/#comment-1992250

  29. @Mike Pink

    Hate fact! And those statistics are because Trump.

  30. Lurker says:
    @BenKenobi

    Or as he strikes himself.

  31. @Frank G

    Retrospectively, Nixon was not a race realist. He did notice that blacks, unlike Jews, were bad at spying. But it was Haldeman (or Ziegler) who pointed to him that blacks were too low IQ to be spies:

    Actually- too low IQ for most things….

  32. Anonymous[235] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve:

    You need to read this reporter’s timeline on the James Fields’ trial:

    Does anyone know whether the photo of Fields’ car with the brake lights on was entered into evidence?

  33. And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center …

    Welcome to Europe is all I’ll say to this. On the Eastern side of the Atlantic, Jews have largely lost their protected status as honorary non-whites. This has meant that the European left has been free to follow its Marxist and anti-white ideology to its logical conclusion.

    1. Steve has often made the point that if “White Privilege” is real, then “Jewish Privilege” logically must be an order of magnitude greater. Well in Europe, the left largely agrees. Accusations of Anti-Semitism are now largely confined to opportunistic attacks on the Alt-Right etc. and ring increasingly hollow. European leftists now regard Jews as a peculiarly rich and well-connected (and consequently nasty) sub-set of whites. When he was running for Mayor of London, the far-left Labour Party politician Ken Livingston told a Muslim Asian audience that he couldn’t get Jews to vote for him because they simply have too much money – he may have had a point there with 70% of Jews now voting for the Tories in 2017.

    2. Moreover, the Israel dynamic amplifies this effect. European leftists enjoyed fifty years of endorphin rushes from anti-white fetishising after World War II and consequently became addicted to them. As long as there were African colonies, Rhodesian white minority rule and South African Apartheid to keep delivering the narcotic hit of regular bouts of 2 minutes’ hate, leftists were content. That suddenly ended with Nelson Mandela’s election as President of South Africa and, unlike in America, there were no Rodney King/Abner Louima/Amadou Diallo moments to which to transition the rage so (I think, with some degree of reluctance) Israel-Palestine became the new Bad Whites v. Good Coloureds conflict and today’s European leftists now wear Arafat scarves even when they are at events which have nothing to do with the Levant. The only thing that is stopping Israelis from becoming the 21st century equivalent of the Afrikaners is some residual holocaust guilt amongst the left’s older (and whiter) cohorts.

    3. Europe’s Jewish population is less than 1.3 million (if you include Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) and less than 1.1 million (if you don’t) compared to 5.7 million in the United States so the Jewish share of the population is dramatically smaller than in the US. Meanwhile, European Jews tend to be more heavily Sephardic and Yekke and are consequently much more politically conservative than (largely Eastern European-descended) American Jews. This means that while the 20th century left in the United States was enormously Jewish relative to the overall population, the European left wasn’t. This, in turn, meant that left wing Labour Zionism largely operated on a poseur level in Europe and was quickly abandoned when it fell out of fashion.

    4. The ethnic group that occupies the equivalent position to blacks in Europe is Muslims – principally Pakistantis, Bangladeshis, Muslim Indians, Anglerians, Tunisians and Moroccans together with increasing numbers of Nigerians and Somalis (of whom the less said the better). There are crucial differences between Muslims and American blacks that make them far less malleable when it comes to the “Jews aren’t really white” trope, namely:

    (a) While jazz, blues, rap, hip hop, R & B and reggae have allowed Anglo-American blacks to heavily influence western popular culture, Islam is simply too retrograde to influence high culture and too bumpkiny to influence popular culture – it’s always struck me that the fundamental reason why black culture has been so influential in entertainment and the arts is because it introduced sexual looseness to starchy white culture whereas Islam (as Steve correctly points out) is a “jealousy belt” culture which hews in the opposite direction. One corollary of this is that Muslims are more scornful (and resentful) of western culture than blacks and have not been acculturated into its norms to the same degree so their sub-culture is more Asperger-ish when it comes on picking up respectable norms.

    (b) Muslims have their own culture in way that Anglo-American blacks (whose whole culture is effectively an offshoot of 18th and 19th century Anglo culture) fundamentally don’t. Blacks need to generate fantasies like “Wakanda” to do what Muslims can simply do by opening history books and reading about the Umayyads, the Abbasids, the Mughals, the Ottomans and the Moors. Muslims can thus operate within self-contained social orders (albeit poorly) while black Anglos can’t – because they evolved as a sub-culture not a self-contained one. Black resentment of whites is entirely jealousy-based – they are humiliated by their dysfunctionality and act up as a consequence. By contrast, Muslim resentment of Europeans and North Americans combines jealousy (in relation to superior western science, technology and finance) with contempt (for single mothers, gays, trannies etc.). While grassroots blacks are anti-Semitic, their elites seem to be sufficiently insecure that they feel obliged (in an American context) to feign the Philo-Semitism of their white leftist allies. Muslim elites, by contrast, have a plan – to wit, their intellectual godfather Sayed Qutb believed that Islam had fallen behind the West technologically and that the West had allowed itself to be dragged back into barbarism culturally, leaving political Islam with the unique role of combing the best of technology and culture – whereas blacks don’t.

    (c) Muslims have their own non-English language media markets broadcasting and publishing news and entertainment in Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun, Kari, Hindi, Bengali, Bahasa Malaysia, Bahasa Indonesia, Farsi, Arabic, Turkish etc. This creates another cultural variable – a set of cultural transmitters that are outside of the influence of the English-speaking culture that virtually monopolises black Anglo attention. So, for example, when the British Labour politician Lord Ahmed (a Kashmiri) was jailed for dangerous driving in his Jaguar X-Type that caused the death of a fellow motorist, he dutifully apologised to the family of his victim in Court and issued the usual press statements (in English) expressing remorse but then gave an interview on an Urdu language radio station saying that the reason he had received a custodial sentence was (you could have guessed it) a Jewish conspiracy. The effect of English language dominance on the state of high culture is, of course, a long-running iSteve theme.

    5. Notwithstanding all the differences between Islamic and black culture, I strongly suspect that black obedience to rule against Jew-bashing will only last as long as:

    (a) a white majority does; and

    (b) a large and coherent Jewish minority does – and in this regard, Audacious Epigone seems to believe that out-marriage and low levels of reproduction amongst American Jews is progressively diluting them.

  34. @Anon

    From the article:

    “the attacks here are caused by local issues, and need local solutions.”

    Odd that we never hear that said for any other inter-communal conflict.

    I wonder why that is.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  35. Coag says:

    Blacks’ IQ is too low to appreciate the tortured subtleties of the academic theory that Jews in America are oppressed non-whites. Good for blacks.

    A minor government official from China who visited the US around the time of Charlottesville observed to me that blacks who are undergoing trials and tribulations in life should take their problems to the Jews for redress and not waste time with the Anglo-Saxons and smashing up their statues of Anglo-Saxon Confederate generals, since it was such an obvious truism to him that the Jews are in control of the US and not any other group. He said this in reference to the toppling of Robert E. Lee monuments by blacks which offended his sensibilities—it was too close to the Maoist lawlessness he experienced firsthand as a young man and also because Robert E. Lee’s is homonymous with the Chinese surname Li and therefore enjoys popularity in China.

  36. Miro23 says:
    @Irish Paleo

    Thanks for a very well thought out & interesting commentary.

  37. @Frank G

    I think a lot of blacks admire the intelligence and ruthlessness of the Jews they encounter, who are mainly their landlords and lawyers.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    , @Hail
    , @Anon
  38. @J.Ross

    They know their landlords and property managers.

  39. Miro23 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The answer (duh!), is that White people are to blame. Whites victimize Blacks with gentrification. This causes Blacks to be unintentionally anti-semitic because they confuse Jews with the real White oppressors. Makes perfect sense.

    Cute, but nobody is going to believe that Blacks accord Jews a special status, and are only making a mistake in attacking them.

    Ask the Blacks why they are attacking Jews and Whites. It’s probably to rob them, and for fun, (and they can get away with it + have nothing to lose). In fact attacking Jews is probably more fun since they’re society’s Sacred Cows.

  40. OT:

    Steve is closing in on 21,000 Twitter followers at the same time that Katy Perry is closing in on 108 million.

  41. @Tyrion 2

    There are several million people in Brooklyn and not all of Brooklyn is upscale Park Slope, Williamsburg, etc. In fact, most of it isn’t. People are roughly one third white (heavily Jewish), one third black, one third everyone else (Hispanic, Asian, Arab, etc.), and they are not spread about evenly–it is very enclave-y.

    Geographically, most of Brooklyn ranges from unremarkable to sketchy. A white person dropped at random into Brooklyn would most likely think, why would I want to live here? If the dropped-at-random person also knew that she was dropped in commuting range of Manhattan, she would have the answer.

    There are still plenty of public housing projects (what I believe you call “council flats”) in Brooklyn.

  42. Anonymous[909] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    So…black guys who draw swastikas on synagogues or beat men who are dressed as Orthodox Jews are not being anti Semitic but someone who questions globalism or the immivasion with no mention of ethnicities is. Got it.

    What’s particularly funny is the line that they aren’t anti Semitic because
    they aren’t far right, a term that they use to describe basically any white person who isn’t openly pushing for their own genocide.

  43. Hans says:

    If the Jews would only get into the real estate business, they could slow down Whitey’s gentrification agenda against everybody. But, I suppose, that’s one of those fields of endeavor they’ve been prevented from entering forcing them to rely upon usury. Sad.

  44. @Hail

    Doesn’t matter how many whites there are, the stench of “hyper-whiteness” means all antisemitism is their fault. All of it and all of them.

  45. Ed says:

    It’s not about anti-semitism but the reasoning offered is just dumb. They just make easy targets to blacks and Hispanics that’s all. It’s not about over policing or gentrification.

  46. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks. Perhaps my 48 hours of ferried around by friends bar-hopping gave me a rose-tinctured image!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  47. Trevor H. says:
    @J.Ross

    It’s telling that the circumstances of the original Crown Heights protests have been erased from public memory.

    The way the story is now told, blacks were angry because the Rebbe’s entourage (already notorious for speeding through the shvartzes’ hood) killed a young black child.

    But at the time, what enraged them is that the Hatzoloh ambulance which responded (much more quickly than the municipal services) refused to assist the children once it became clear that no one in the entourage was injured. The story went around that the medics hung out on the sidewalk cracking jokes while a little black kid was dying.

    Although I was in New York at the time, and followed the story closely, I was not on the scene of the incident and can only relate the way the story was reported at the time. It’s changed dramatically since then. The story as now told makes the blacks’ reaction seem much less reasonable.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Anonymous
  48. He added that the attacks are not on the radar of people involved in social justice initiatives in Crown Heights.

    This is one of many telling sentences in the article. SJWs are not interested in actual “social justice”, which presumably includes people of different ethnicities not attacking each other. They are acting a script. A rather limited script, since it amounts to “Trump bad, blacks good, Jews good, whites bad.” “Good” people fighting other “good” people is not detected by the social justice radar.

  49. Tiny Duck says:

    People of Color in NYC don’t like Jews because it’s Jews who own the properties, and the vast majority of black people rent and thus deal with the corrupt landlords

    Jews need to reject whiteness and quit acting white

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
  50. Trevor H. says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Just to keep the facts straight: at no time in its entire history did Brooklyn ever contain “several million people”.

    At its most populous, in 1950, the Borough had about 2.7 million people. Recently it’s again approached that record and if illegals are taken into account it may have matched it. But never “several million”.

  51. DCThrowback says: • Website
    @william munny

    I always found the case of Len Elmore interesting. Elmore went to UMd-CP, played in the NBA and graduated from Harvard Law School.

    He married a Jewish woman and has had two kids bar-mitzvahed.

    He tried (and failed) at being an NBA agent, mostly because … as he noted, the players didn’t trust him, as a black guy, to be as good as negotiator as a white (Jewish, duh) agent. Here’s a link from a book about the Labor negotiations between the players and the league from 1995 discussion that phenomenon.

    https://ibb.co/TH8kwNj

    I do agree with the Forward and the several commenters who noted that unless someone is wearing Hasidic clothing or a yarmulke, most folks would fail to notice the difference between white and Jews.

    Other cultural markers of this existed in places like the show “The Wire”, with the Jewish Lawyer (Maury Levy) ably representing the various ‘innocent’ drug sellers in court…while being paid in cash.

  52. @Jimi

    “Hyper-whites” is quite a good euphemism, I wonder if it’ll catch on?

    Off topic, is there any connection between

    a) the arrest of Huawei’s CFO in Canada

    b) the announcement by British Telecom that they’re removing Huawei kit from their core infrastructure (because we want the backdoors to be ours, i.e. to NSA, not the PLA)

    c) the fact that various mobile networks in the UK (and also I gather in Japan) have had internet outage all day?

    • Replies: @anon
  53. @Irish Paleo

    Largely true, I’m afraid, at least for Britain. A couple of comments:

    Re (3): Most British Jews are descended from 150,000 who fled Tsarist Russia, and 50,000 who fled Nazi Germany. Current numbers, about 250,000, are about 0.4% of the population, and are mainly Ashkenazim. British Jews are heavily over-represented in the media, but are not as prominent as in the US: their share of the UK population is only a sixth as much as in the US. Among Jewish journalists there is an apparent bias to the Left that does not reflect the 70% of British Jews who vote Conservative. Perhaps in part this occurs because conservative Jewish journalists simply get on with the job, rather than trying to be “agents of change”.

    Re (2): The political culture on the Left is a victim culture. It is an endless search for victims, formerly victims of capitalism, nowadays victims of straight white men. Left-wing journalists, including Jewish ones, largely follow this narrative. Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians slots into this template, in a way that other causes do not: Chinese repression of Uighurs and Tibetans, Pakistani persecution of Christians, Syrians killing other Syrians, etc. Left-wing journalists who support Israel tend to think in terms of US military and financial support, but the victim culture that they advocate in other contexts tends to undermine political support for Israel.

  54. @Anon

    It just shows that with enough hormones and plastic we can create a simulacrum of anything.

    No different than if we took an old Ford Falcon and slapped a new fiberglas replica Cobra body on its frame and dropped a 450 h.p. engine in under the hood. It doesn’t make it a Shelby Cobra. It would still handle like and be a Falcon.

    No one would pay $1.5 million for it at an auto auction.

    Which just shows that people at a car auction have more sense than our intellectual(?) trend setters.

  55. peterike says:

    I didn’t read the entire article, but does it say anything about the “non-white ethnic groups” being angry at their lousy and rapacious Jewish landlords? When your rent goes up but the sink is still broken for over a year and there are mice in the walls, it makes you annoyed.

    But as always with any stories about “anti-Semitism,” the one thing that is NEVER discussed is any possibility that the anti-Semitism might be a response to Jewish behavior. Though it almost always is exactly that.

  56. songbird says:
    @gimeiyo

    A lot blacks see people I would call Latino as being white, so there definitely is not any intrinsic protection. But I think this is partly why Jews actively seek out blacks to the degree that they do. Partly to try to pre-empt any violence.

  57. “Indeed, no one who was arrested for perpetrating an anti-Semitic hate crime in New York City in the 22 months leading up to October has been associated with a far right group.”

    Jews drinking their own Kool Aid suddenly wake up to the realization that their default assumption, that all acts which victimize them = anti-Semitic hate crime committed by “a far right group”.

    Once again, I just can’t believe that these people are particularly smart. They make such dumb assumptions.

    That or their inborn animosities and learned cultural mythologies overwhelm whatever smarts they have.

    Either way, not a recipe for long-term success.

  58. bomag says:
    @istevefan

    You have described it, but it makes a little more sense if you consider the quasi goal here: an all-Black America with the same economic productivity as an all-White America. Whitey is supposed to raise up, teach and train the Black man, then give the country to him. Anything else would be racist.

  59. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    Even when there are NO real Right Wing White Trump supporters doing violent attacks on Blacks, Gays, Muslims, Undocumented and Jews – Whites are still to blame.

    Even if there aren’t any White non Jewish people (Gentiles) in the area at all (as is the case in places like Crown Heights Brooklyn) Whites are still blamed because Whites supposedly have sinister, supernatural powers to

    Change the climate

    The Trump election (done by evil White voters) supposedly changed the national climate toward hate, away from the sensitive, caring, tolerant culture of Barack Obama.

    The worst anti White, hard core Lib Leftists in the media have been doing this for my entire lifetime. When President John F Kennedy was murdered in the White Conservative city of Dallas TX, CBS anchor Walter Cronkite pronunced a GUILTY verdict against the Dallas City itself:

    HATE KILLED PRESIDENT KENNEDY

    In reality it was a Leftist, pro Castro Communist Lee Harvey Oswald that had killed JFK.

    Hard to believe now but John F Kennedy and the Kennedy family were strongly anti Communist in 1960-63, JFK tried to overthrow Cuban Communist leader Fidel Castro and even tried to assassinate Castro, pro Castro leftist Communists returned the favor.

    But against White Conservatives, White racists are always to blame – if they aren’t actually doing any violence, they are to blame for creating a climate of hatred and intolerance.

    I busted my as* opposing all the Neo Conservative Zionist US wars in Iraq but Liberal Leftists I met insisted these bad wars were all done by Conservative White Americans trying to steal 3rd world people of color’s oil.

    NO BLOOD FOR OIL

    There are very small % of honest Liberals, I’ve converted some to race realism, but this is only a very small %. Most Liberal Leftists in the USA/the West are simply hypocritical liars – they are the real haters and they HATE our people.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  60. bomag says:
    @Irish Paleo

    Interesting. Thanks.

    Right now in the US, politics is, sort-of, People of Color (POC) and liberal Whites against conservatives; POC being Latinos, Asians, and Blacks. The future may see Latinos and Asians switching sides against the Blacks.

    I was wondering if Europe has a substantial POC cohort that would line up against the Muslims in the future?

  61. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Ok so The Forward did some pretty hardcore based noticing that other media won’t do. How about some credit for theses NY Jews? Because if they just had another article obliquely claiming that these incidents are due to Trump supporters, Steve would certainly call them out for that.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  62. @Tyrion 2

    NYC is much larger than Brooklyn and public transportation there is now free for Blacks, so there are quite a few non-borough rats coming in for their kills.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  63. @Tyrion 2

    How are the types of people who riot still affording places in Brooklyn? A lot of young blokes living with their mother on rent control?

    Brooklyn is not all Brooklyn! most of it is still Brooklyn.

  64. Thea says:

    It sounds like living in majority white nations is good for the Jews as it offers the secular ones herd immunity.

    Apart from all that unpleasantness in mid-20th Germany, it seems like a bad idea to work towards making whites a minorities in their countries.

  65. Thea says:
    @Anon

    Someone on the internet once said “Men are better than women at everything including being women”

  66. BenKenobi says:
    @william munny

    “Sanity is not statistical.”
    - Orwell, 1984

  67. @Irish Paleo

    Irish, this was a good comment. Most all points, i’ve thought about in pieces, but well put together for a quick run through. Thanks.

    However, it was long enough looking i almost skipped it. I encourage other readers who skipped it to go ahead and give it a quick read.

    • Agree: ic1000, Tyrion 2
  68. ic1000 says:
    @Irish Paleo

    You wrote a detailed and insightful comparison of the current situation of Jews in Europe to that of Jews in the U.S. I had not appreciated the importance of the difference between Jewish-black relations in the U.S., and Jewish-Muslim relations in Europe. Thanks.

  69. Ragno says:
    @Hail

    Is there any running database of these alleged ‘Nazi’ incidents, including a running tally of how many are Hate Hoaxes?

    You will never see such a database compiled and maintained honestly – not by any of the usual media suspects, at any rate – because it isn’t news if we ignore it; or better yet, never notice it in the first place. The WaPos and NYTs who might be tempted will always adulterate the results ahead of time by relying upon charlatans like Mark Winston Griffith (or Tim Wise, or Morris Dees, etc) to analyze and explain away any unflattering results with nonsense such as “To the extent that people hear about it, they are probably thinking about the larger landscape of hatred that is being painted by Donald Trump”…..which, according to my English-to-Shitlib translator, means “Hey! – look over there! Izzat Richard Spencer? That guy talking to Steve Bannon, I mean!……so, uhhh – what were you saying again?”

    As for any reliable, independently-compiled database, it will be savaged and defamed by the evil gatekeepers of our dying society well before it’s ever released, said gatekeepers being, of course, the media, the politicians and the countless tenured neurotics in higher education. (And make no mistake: when, compared to the true believers among them determined to incite chaos and disorder in order to destroy our nation and civilization, the merely-corrupt who willingly act as adjuncts and collaborators towards that same end seem almost benign, there’s no point in tiptoeing through terminology; “evil” is the only damn shoe that fits.)

  70. @william munny

    Steve is closing in on 21,000 Twitter followers at the same time that Katy Perry is closing in on 108 million.

    “Bread and circuses”. White people are still watching the NFL as well.

    Cue all your decline and fall analogies.

    We’ve got a long, long, way to go to turn this around.

  71. @Hypnotoad666

    Part of the shpilkes is that blacks are supposed to be attacking white people, not Jews. That is the whole plan.

    The left is organized politically the same way the Mongols were. It is a coalition led by one (((small cohesive tribe))) that is perpetually on the offence looking for lucre. The mob is ever hungry and must always seek new plunder for gain and tribute. If it can’t, the coalition falls apart and everybody goes home only to reform again in a generation or two when a new leader emerges.

    The problem with infighting is that it messes up their business model. Got to keep the focus on whitey.

  72. @Irish Paleo

    A very fine analysis. I would just add that:

    Muslim immigrants’ cultural autism is as you have described; just, they are well aware of their not solely technological, but also military impotence & corruption of their ruling classes. They know that Saudis, Pakis,.. are just puppets of the West. Also, there is no emotional & identity continuity between various Muslim immigrant groups & various historical Islamic civilizations: French Arabs, for instance, don’t care about & detest Persian & Turkish cultures and historical empires.

    Also, they don’t nourish their identities (cultural, linguistic) for purpose, just out of laziness & inertia. Arabs in France who don’t know French are not some pan-Arab (or pan-Islamist) aficionados; they’re just backward.

    With regard to Jews, most immigrant Muslims are aggressive on primitive level, just like black muggers in the US, but are afraid of Jewish power elsewhere.

    This is about immigrants. Homegrown Muslims in other countries (Russia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, ..) know that white man iz da boss.

  73. Hail says: • Website
    @gimeiyo

    The idea that Ashkenazi Jews aren’t White is arrant nonsense

    All a matter, of course, of [1] relativity, and [2] self-perception.

    By both standards, from a NW-European-Christian perspective (that is what is understood by White, really), Jews are not White.

    From the perspective of an Australian Aboriginie, a Tongan islander, or a shabby collection of Third World New York City’ites, they may qualify as [1]. But, then, from a Yoruba tribesman ‘s perspective (or the like), U.S. Blacks certainly are not Black. All a matter of whose perspective.

    They have never qualified as [2], only claiming Whiteness when using deception (See: “Fellow White People” meme).

    Also, if “Ashkenazi Jews” are White in toto, there is no reason to exclude any (other) Mideasterners, as in Gold Chain’ers near and far. This is in no one’s interest.

    • Disagree: ic1000
  74. @Irish Paleo

    Irish, nicely written and now I have yellow Hi-Liter all over my screen. Lots of good points.

  75. @william munny

    William, they follow Steve for his looks and Katy for her mind.

  76. Hail says: • Website
    @william munny

    I think a lot of blacks admire the intelligence and ruthlessness of the Jews

    This raises the question, raised upthread, of kin Black-Jewish interactions of any kind, how many of these Blacks know they are dealing with Jews, how much of the time. If it is a yarmaluke-wearing Jew, that’s one thing.

  77. And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center …

    Bit of a Freudian slip there on Ari Feldman’s part.

    The name of Mark Winston Griffith’s outfit is the Brooklyn Movement Center.

    http://brooklynmovementcenter.org/bmc-staff/

    http://brooklynmovementcenter.org/about/

    Brooklyn Movement Center (BMC) is a Black-led, membership-based organization of primarily low-to-moderate income Central Brooklyn residents. We build power and pursue self-determination in Bedford-Stuyvesant & Crown Heights by nurturing local leadership, waging campaigns and winning concrete improvements in people’s lives. Through our intersectional organizing, BMC centers a full range of issues and Black identity that define a whole community.

    But the BMC does appear to be totally blackety-black-black-black, so Mr. Feldman’s error is very understandable. Maybe the BMC writes its name as “Brooklyn Movement Center” but pronounces the name as “Black Movement Center”?

    Concerning other recent anti-Semitism news, will the NYPD name the person who decorated the walls outside Elizabeth Midlarsky”s Columbia’s Teachers College office with red swastikas (if and when they figure out who did it), or will that case file go into the “Unsolved Crimes, On-Going Investigations” cabinet where the file on the Madonna Constantine noose hate crime has lingered for the last 11 years?

  78. Ibound1 says:

    And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center …

    So it would be OK if they assaulted someone out of anti-White animus instead of anti-Jewish animus?
    Is that what he is saying?

  79. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Irish Paleo

    I think this and the rest of your comment history are all very interesting and very well written. 25 really great posts!

  80. Wally says:
    @william munny

    Except that all through history a determined minority usually has their way.

  81. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Hail

    You’re going to have a heck of a time trying to persuade people that this lady doesn’t fit anybody’s definition of white.

  82. @Tyrion 2

    ‘How are the types of people who riot still affording places in Brooklyn? A lot of young blokes living with their mother on rent control?’

    Housing projects.

    Those places are incredible. I had my own interstate moving business (me and my truck), and my family used to come with me. So once we’re picking up a load from what turns out to be a housing project in Brooklyn. We get there at 9:00 in the morning or something, and things aren’t too bad.

    …then people (to use the term loosely) start getting up.

    Around about eleven, I tell my wife to get back into the cab with the children and lock the doors. Nothing actually happened, but…

  83. @Hail

    ‘…By both standards, from a NW-European-Christian perspective (that is what is understood by White, really), Jews are not White…’

    Nonsense. Genetically, Ashkenazi Jewish populations are most closely related to…their gentile neighbors.

    Netanyahu is from Poland. He looks remarkably similar to some recent Polish gentile politicians. Lieberman could be from Moldovia…and he is!

    And guess what? Sephardic Jews look just like their erstwhile gentile neighbors. Yishai (he of ‘Israel is for the white man’) hails from Tunisia. When he made that crack, I immediately started combing images of gentile Tunisians — and I found a guy who could have been Yishai’s long-lost twin brother.

    That Israeli soldier who was video-taped shooting a wounded prisoner lying helplessly at his feet? The soldier was a Jew of Yemeni extraction. Guess what he looked like.

    Bingo. Claiming Jews are a race is about as reasonable as claiming Lutherans are a race. Depending on where they come from, Jews are white, or North African, or Middle Eastern, or whatever. There’s a little variation from the gentile average, and some slight interrelationship between some nearby populations, but above all, Jews are a subset of their immediate gentile neighbors.

    Boys will be boys, as they say.

    If you’re looking for the real Jews of that old time religion, well, they mostly converted to either Christianity or Islam (or each in succession) in the first millenium a.d. Today, they’re called ‘Palestinians.’

  84. @istevefan

    White are not allowed to move in, and they are not allowed to move out.

    The only move you are allowed to make is vertical.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. @Tyrion 2

    ‘You’re going to have a heck of a time trying to persuade people that this lady doesn’t fit anybody’s definition of white.’

    See Alicia Silverstone. One of the many inconsistencies of modern Jewish culture is an insistence that they aren’t just whites who don’t accept Jesus coupled with a tendency to dig up every aryan-looking Jewish beauty they can find. Above all, God forbid any Jew should look like he comes from the Levant.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    , @black sea
  86. Partially Off Topic

    Is it ANTI-JEW or ANTI-SEMITIC to notice that Greenspan, Yellen and Bernanke are JEWS?

    Raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent and pop the asset bubbles now!

    Powell the new Fed Chairman ain’t a total JEW, he may have the honor and decency to raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent.

    If you can’t connect monetary policy to immigration policy, then you are a stupid boob!

    Baby Boomer Bernanke, Jew Bullshit Artist And Former Fed Chairman:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. @Tyrion 2

    LOL – yeah, she falls under Elizabeth Warren’s Rule of Acceptable Racial Association. Pathetic cherry picking.

    What do you look like Tyrion? Michael Caine or Sasha Cohen?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  88. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    White are not allowed to move in, and they are not allowed to move out.

    The only move you are allowed to make is vertical.

    Vertically downward, that is.

    • Replies: @bomag
  89. @Jimi

    I always find it very puzzling when American Jews think they’re not white, specially now that the US got browner.

    I mean… just look in the mirror. Really, it’s all it should take.

    • Replies: @Hail
  90. Landscape of Hatred will take
    Six years of great painting to make:
    But his canvas of Whites
    Shown in peaceful delights
    Will be scorned as both racist and fake.

  91. ic1000 says:
    @Hail

    To the extent that one agrees with the SJWs and Cultural Marxists that Race Is Entirely A Social Construct, then opinions are like []holes… everybody’s got one.

    On the other hand, if evolution didn’t stop at the moment of the first movement Out Of Africa, then evolutionary processes are manifested in race and, to a lesser but still very real extent, ethnicity.

    Do you think you could confidently distinguish Melanesians from Han Chinese from Australian Aboriginals from Nigerian Ibos from Norwegians? Hey, me too!

    Wikipedia has a good tutorial on Principal Component Analysis. Scanning it will allow you to make sense of this decade-old figure, displaying the relationship of the continental races to one another.

    Then look at this plot of West Eurasian Genetic Continuums.

    Do you think you could confidently distinguish Jew_Ashkenazi from Italian_South or Italian_North or Sicilian or Greek? Hey, me neither!

    My disdain for the late Whitey Bulger is probably similar in strength to your anti-Jewish prejudice. But I don’t go around posting that, therefore, “Bulger’s not White!” That would be dumb.

  92. First Jews become white, then whites become Jews. Whites and Jews both must understand this.

    The hordes coming from the Shithole countries do not give dried fig for the JQ. Jews will not be protected by their ‘minority’ status, and whites will not be differentiated if they don’t like Jews.

    The reason leftists and others insist ‘it’s not a zero sum game’ is because it is. They are not fixing the shitholes, and there are a limited number of nonshitholes that accept mass immigration ( for whatever insane reason).

    They want what we’ve got. They do indeed ‘want a better life.’ For themselves, not for you.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/brooklyn-hate-crime-charge-dropped-against-muslim-who-brutally-beat-jew-while-screaming-allah-and-kill-the-jews

    perp name: Farrukh Afzal

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/12/05/jewish-community-leaders-in-brooklyn-thank-nypd-for-swift-arrest-of-antisemitic-hate-crime-suspect/

    perp name: Enrique Gerena

    I’ve seen the Protocols in Spanish for sale at Spanish-language bookstores, one in Inwood and one in Corona. This is not just a ‘black thing,’ and it has nothing to do with ‘gentrification.’ Whites of any kind are simply targets.

    Gentrification is a racist term of art that just means white people moving anywhere non-whites are. The blacks don’t own their places, so improving the neighborhood via better neighbors is an easy process. The obvious improvement in ‘gentrified’ neighborhoods drives the POCs nuts. Who knew the magic dirt was there all along?

    These West Indian retards in Brooklyn who came here 20 years ago will stand in front of a 350 year old Dutch Reform church on Flatbush Avenue and bitch about whites moving into ‘their’ neighborhood.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  93. BB753 says:
    @Hail

    Even the Nazis considered Jews to be white, just not Aryan, along with Poles, Russians, etc.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @anon
  94. Ezra Klein. Hyper-white. Actually sounds about right!

  95. I recall some article from some rabbi a few years ago where he claimed that “Jews are not white”.
    I thought then there is no way that Jews are ever going to be able to sidle up the minorities and say “Those white people. Can you stand it?” wink wink.

    Nope they have to sleep with the corpse.

  96. @Jimi

    Growing up in NYC as a non-white, notion that Jews are honorary people of color seems ridiculous to me.

    Exactly. In New York City at least, Jews are White people especially from the perspective of Blacks. Brooklyn is 23% Jewish and 35% White Non-Hispanic, meaning that the majority of White people in Brooklyn are Jewish, roughly 65%.

    It is also critical to understand that the Black population of Brooklyn is heavily Caribbean, especially in Crown Heights. Caribbean Blacks do not have the political memory of Jews as their allies in the civil rights movement. I have encountered rather shocking openly anti-semitic sentiments from Caribbean Blacks in New York. I don’t think this attitude is prevalent nationally.

  97. “My guess is that the majority of Jews in New York City who have been victims of anti-Semitic attacks are supporters of Trump.”

    One might wager that, but I doubt it is true.

  98. @Tyrion 2

    Brooklyn has a population that is comparable to the City of Chicago. Very diverse population.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  99. Hail says: • Website
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Are Arabs White? Assyrians? Afghanis?

    These are just definition games, semantic games; answers will vary from person to person and as political-cultural needs-of-the-moment dictate (Cf., cases of “Fellow White People, [scold scold scold]” on Monday; “I am so glad I am not White” on Wednesday or Thursday).

    • Replies: @ic1000
  100. Tyrion 2 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    What do you look like Tyrion? Michael Caine or Sasha Cohen

    Supposedly like a cross between Paul Newman and Gabriel Mann.

    • LOL: bomag
  101. Hail says: • Website
    @BB753

    I am not sure “the Nazis” much used the term ‘White.’ I am skeptical of your claim but willing to look at evidence for it, if you have any.

    But anyway it is irrelevant; on top of being a century ago (Orwell, writing at the same time, wrote “the German race”; no one would speak this way today except ironically), it would not even be the same language as I am typing and you are reading.

    The question, I am sure you would agree, ought to be: Are Jews a separate people with their own perceived peoplehood, apart from the historical U.S. population core (NW European), apart from White-Christians generally? These are what is generally meant (narrowly and broadly, respectively) by the term ‘White.’ Do they have their own perceived interests?

    ____________

    To the extent that NYC Blacks of Caribbean origin perceive Jews as ‘Whites’ points as much as anything to the dearth of (what the world population imagines to be) “Americans” today in the outer boroughs. There seems to be no appreciable White-Protestant population — and even few White Catholics — in these places today, excluding a few hipster gentrifier types who’ve wandered in (who operate as individuals, anyway).

    I sometimes imagine how puzzled a lot of foreign visitors to NYC are; how every single day the thought must cross so many anonymous thousands of tourist or newcomer minds: “Where are all the Americans in this, America’s foremost city?”

    • Replies: @ic1000
    , @BB753
  102. ic1000 says:
    @Hail

    > Are Arabs White? Assyrians? Afghanis?

    It’s not as though Sailer hasn’t written on this topic before. Extensively and with erudition.

    Yes, as with the concept of “family,” context and culture both matter. And yes, the categories have fuzzy boundaries. But no, outside of SJWs and their political-cultural needs-of-the-moment, all answers are not equally valid. Somebody who insists that their third cousins are closer relatives than their siblings doesn’t have a very solid grasp of biological realities as they pertain to homo sapiens.

  103. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    Even the Nazis considered Jews to be white….

    jews are the ones who say they’re not white probably because they consider themselves superior, being self-proclaimed God’s Chosen and all

  104. ic1000 says:
    @Hail

    > The question, I am sure you would agree, ought to be: Are Jews a separate people with their own perceived peoplehood, apart from the historical U.S. population core (NW European), apart from White-Christians generally? These are what is generally meant (narrowly and broadly, respectively) by the term ‘White.’

    There’s your problem, Hail. You’ve belatedly identified the narrow question that interests you, but you are framing it by using words without reference to their common and accepted definitions.

    In particular, the relevant definition of White from Dictionary.com: “(of human beings) belonging to a group marked by slight pigmentation of the skin, often of European descent.”

    Merriam-Webster: “being a member of a group or race characterized by light pigmentation of the skin.”

    Oxford Dictionary: “Belonging to or denoting a human group having light-coloured skin (chiefly used of peoples of European extraction).”

  105. @El Dato

    “Fellow black people, do you not read the NYT anymore?”

    I was talking to an older Black gentleman at work a few years ago and he had a copy of a Chi-com newspaper (Xinhua news?) and we got to talking about the opium wars and British imperialism and he replied “It was the Sassons!”

    “Not the British?”

    “It was the Jews!”

  106. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Gad Elmaleh has been pretty successful.

  107. Ragno says:
    @Hail

    They have never qualified as [2], only claiming Whiteness when using deception

    Was it really all that long ago when Jews, red-faced with chagrin at being categorized as non-white by those whites not predisposed to play the politeness game, would insist that their forefathers fought for Germany in WWI and even proudly served the Confederacy? Raise your hand if you were informed, decades ago and probably in the classroom, about the significance of Judah Benjamin. (And I’d bet money you were never so informed by anybody in an ice cream suit who addressed people as “suh”.)

  108. Nachum says:

    “We’re not white” comes mostly from leftist Jews wanting to feel like victims. Sometimes they’ll vary it with “We’re so white” so as to feel virtuous in their guilt. It’s not supposed to make sense. Sense is for squares.

    Less leftist Jews are OK with being sort of white, sort of not.

    All the talk about “gentrification” reminds me of the speech at the beginning of Chasing Amy from the pseudo-black liberal:

    “What do you call that?”

    “Intergalactic civil war?”

    “GENTRIFICATION!”

    Anyway, this isn’t really new. Liberal Jews have been making excuses for black anti-semitism for decades. (And yes, it exists among native blacks, for various reasons.) Of course, they, in their all-white rich neighborhoods, aren’t the ones who suffer.

  109. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    And guess what? Sephardic Jews look just like their erstwhile gentile neighbors. Yishai (he of ‘Israel is for the white man’) hails from Tunisia. When he made that crack, I immediately started combing images of gentile Tunisians — and I found a guy who could have been Yishai’s long-lost twin brother.

    Do you mean Mizrahi Jews?

  110. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Powell the new Fed Chairman ain’t a total JEW, he may have the honor and decency to raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent.

    Why would it be good to raise the rate?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @nsa
    , @Anon
  111. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    LOL

    Reminds me of a quip from an exchange discussing interracial crime, and how it is worse than the stats suggest since people largely interact with their own race:

    “I had an interaction with a POC, and all I got was an obituary.”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  112. black sea says:
    @Colin Wright

    . . . a tendency to dig up every aryan-looking Jewish beauty they can find. Above all, God forbid any Jew should look like he comes from the Levant.

    I think this is largely a manifestation of the fact — I suppose it’s not an established fact, but I’ll use the term “fact,” anyway — that standards of beauty are not nearly as culturally subjective as many people claim.

    The black women considered most attractive, by blacks and whites alike, tend to look more white than the norm, not just in skin tone but in bone structure and facial features. In Latin America, female stars look more Scandinavian than Indio. In Korea, girls get surgery to make their eyes rounder and more “Western.”

    In Turkey, where I happen to live, one of the most popular leading men on television is commonly referred to as “the Turkish Brad Pitt.” People who say this don’t just mean, “he’s popular like Brad Pitt.”

    This could of course all be the legacy of centuries of Western cultural domination, but I doubt that it is.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  113. BB753 says:
    @Hail

    If by White you mean of exclusive native European descent and Christian, by that definition, Jews aren’t white. But your definition of Whiteness is too restrictive even for Europeans : if it’s a NW Euro restricted club, then you’re going to leave behind the gates 3/4 ths of Europeans, people unmistakably defined as white by almost everybody on earth except a handful of Nordicists, and visibly Caucasian and pale skinned. But suit yourself.

    • Agree: ic1000
  114. Hibernian says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Chicago is about 1/3 each White, Black, and Hispanic. Not as Jewish as Brooklyn, however.

  115. If it is true—as some Black people claim—that the high-school Black Establishment mock and taunt nerdy Black kids, saying they are “acting white,” then the state of being nerdish might be associated with whiteness among some Black Americans.

    If it is true that Jews are disproportionately nerdy, and it might very well be if data from IQ testing and college admissions is accurate, then it makes sense that some Black Americans might see Jewishness as the epitome of the dreaded white nerdishness.

  116. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Actually, I was lying. Here’s a selfie I took earlier:

  117. prosa123 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    On a not entirely unrelated note, the NYC zip code with the highest average income is not in Manhattan, or the upscale parts of Brooklyn, but in Douglaston and Little Neck in far northeastern Queens along the Nassau County line. While it’s definitely a nice area there are nowhere near the numbers of very wealthy people one will find in Manhattan and Brooklyn. The thing is, Douglaston and Little Neck consists mainly of single-family houses and co-ops. Unlike in Manhattan and Brooklyn there are no housing projects and relatively few rent controlled apartments to drag down the averages.

  118. @Anonymous

    Ok so The Forward did some pretty hardcore based noticing that other media won’t do. How about some credit for theses NY Jews? Because if they just had another article obliquely claiming that these incidents are due to Trump supporters, Steve would certainly call them out for that.

    Nah, their brains are so fried by this intersectionality crap, that they are giving a break to the Blacks for beating up Jews. They are saying it’s understandable because gentrification blah blah blah. No doubt if it were Whites beating up Jews it would also be understandable because.. oh wait

  119. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    NYC is much larger than Brooklyn and public transportation there is now free for Blacks, so there are quite a few non-borough rats coming in for their kills.

    That’s DC, not NYC.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  120. @Trevor H.

    But at the time, what enraged them is that the Hatzoloh ambulance which responded (much more quickly than the municipal services) refused to assist the children once it became clear that no one in the entourage was injured. The story went around that the medics hung out on the sidewalk cracking jokes while a little black kid was dying.

    That story though has about as much going for it as gentle giant Michael Brown doing “Hands up ,don’t shoot”. You’re old enough to know better than to believe ghetto, man in the street b.s.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  121. Off topic, but I thought I’d point out that the left is now unironically using the term “unbearable whiteness,” a term I first heard on iSteve lampooning the left’s white-phobia:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-wellness-holidays-trump-gwyneth-paltrow-goop_us_5c07e65de4b0fc23611249c6

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  122. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    If you’re looking for the real Jews of that old time religion, well, they mostly converted to either Christianity or Islam (or each in succession) in the first millenium a.d. Today, they’re called ‘Palestinians.’

    This is not what the genetic evidence says, but hey who cares right.

    There are certain Y-chromosome haplotypes which are fairly certain to indicate descent from biblical-era Jews, and modern Jews have it while the Arabs who have recently taken to calling themselves Palestinians don’t.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  123. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @william munny

    True dat. Almost every black pro athlete has a Jewish agent and a Jewish accountant. “Get the Jews, they’re the best”, they’re told, but maybe that has something to do with why so many find themselves broke within 5 years after retirement, the Jewish accountant disappears with their money.

    Donald Trump was told the same, now he’s being stabbed in the back by his Jewish lawyer and soon, his Jewish accountant whose office was recently raided, both hits orchestrated by another Jew he hired at the DOJ. The same Jew also advised him to fire James Comey then as soon as he did, hired Robert Mueller to investigate him.

  124. @black sea

    ‘…The black women considered most attractive, by blacks and whites alike, tend to look more white than the norm, not just in skin tone but in bone structure and facial features. In Latin America, female stars look more Scandinavian than Indio. In Korea, girls get surgery to make their eyes rounder and more “Western.”…’

    It’s even more extreme than you imply. My wife, who is from El Salvador, tends to regard all blonde women as beautiful. A girl can be distinctly plain in my eyes — but if she’s blonde, my wife thinks she’s beautiful.

  125. J.Ross says: • Website

    The French army is arriving in Paris to crush the Yellow Vest demonstrators amid rumors of sympathizers.

    https://postimg.cc/bsycdb2w

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  126. @Tyrion 2

    So was I bro: I fully concede that Jewish women are indistinguishable from NW European women:

    Checkmate, anti-semites!

    • LOL: Tyrion 2
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Anon
  127. CJ says:
    @Hail

    The term “Nazi-inflected violence” is not exactly precise. “Inflected” is a grammatical term referring to changes in a word, like adding an s to make nouns plural. It doesn’t equal perpetrated or caused or even suggested. Here it seems to mean anything that could possibly be associated in anyone’s mind with Nazis.

  128. @Tyrion 2

    lol.

    Given current socio-political realities, I find Hail et al.’s insistence on “muh white purity” both absurd and counter-productive.

  129. @J.Ross

    Silly goose! It’s all obviously the fault of having Evil Firearms in the house.

  130. The more the Jewish diaspora are attacked, the more incentive they have to flee to “Greater Israel” — whose borders will be much Greater after the gullible goyim finish reducing Mideastern Arab countries to failed states.

    The Israeli National Anthem:

    “ONWARD, CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!”

  131. @Tiny Duck

    Solid advice. Jews need to stop with the white collar crime and start jacking up liquor stores.

  132. Tyrion 2 says:
    @J.Ross

    Meanwhile:

    EU, France announce $1.5bn aid for African Sahel

    https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/12/eu-france-announce-15bn-aid-african-sahel-181206120109665.html

    And two years ago:

    Marine Le Pen’s niece enrols in the ARMY as she calls on France to ‘kill Islamism’

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/693674/marion-le-pen-enrol-army-france-national-front-islamism

    OTOH the yellow vests occupy an extremely broad spectrum of dissent and Macron can just about get away with claiming to occupy a sort of middle ground.

    I’ve also only read of the police going in. I’d say Macron would be a bit mad to send in the Army. They’re more ideologically homogenous than the protestors and could lead them to enact a genuine revolution.

    Maybe I’ll find a reason to do some sort of business trip to Paris. It’d be an interesting visit.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  133. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Jewish interlocutor 1:
    “Jews aren’t white! We abhor the gentilic Wonderbread masses too!”

    POC leader in the community:
    “We view you as a form of Hyper-Whiteness.”

    J.I. 1:
    “No, it’s not true! We was slaves in Egypt! We discovered Civilrights! Our life’s work is fighting for minorities against the redneck cracka peckerwood honkies aaaaaaaaaaaah”

    POC LITC:
    “We view you as Hyper-Crackers”

    Muslim crowd member:
    “Word up, my homey!”

    • Replies: @anon
  134. Jews are pegged as the representatives of gentrification because, in many poor Brooklyn neighborhoods, they are, says Avi Leshes, a director of economic development at the Brooklyn Chamber of Commerce. …

    Did I read that correctly?? Between this and Douthat’s column this week I just don’t know what the NYT is up to.

  135. Tyrion 2 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Don’t worry, I’m only 4 foot tall.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Tyrion 2

    Saturday’s supposed to be the big day (presumably because more people will have work off and can join). The US Embassy in Paris has announced that it will be closed on Saturday.

  137. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “Hyper-whites” is quite a good euphemism, I wonder if it’ll catch on?

    reminds me of that girl that was trying to push “Hyper-Power” a few years ago

    “The US is the world’s only Hyper-Power!!” she said again and again and again…

  138. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    J.I. 1:
    “No, it’s not true! We was slaves in Egypt!

    i hear people saying this was a fraud too

    • Replies: @Anon
  139. @MikeatMikedotMike

    True story: My mom was occasionally a corner worker at Elkhart Lake’s Road America race track in the early 70′s. She’s 5’10″. (or was) She told me one day Paul Newman walked up to her out of nowhere and asked her what lap it was. She told me she stood a full head taller than him.

    Newman was apparently an avid race car driver back in those days.

  140. @Tyrion 2

    See post #142 – it was meant for you.

  141. @gimeiyo

    from the non-White outside, Jews really do seem like the Whitest of the White

    To the ghetto African, Jews are absolutely hated more than Christian whites, far more. This from a native Detrioter who’s been surrounded by Africans throughout his formative years. Christian they understand from their grandmothers and might even get a cracker a break on a beatdown, Jew means “rich white” and the beatdown is assured.

  142. @anonymous

    “In reality it was a Leftist, pro Castro Communist Lee Harvey Oswald that had killed JFK.”

    I do like well done satire, please play again soon.

  143. @Trevor H.

    I’m a Brooklyn Boy, and in general NY English language usage, “two” falls within our concept of “several”. No question at all that “2.7″ likewise does.

  144. @Anonymous

    Charles isn’t a member of the producing part of the population.

  145. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    “Why would it be good to raise the rate?”
    To encourage prudent saving instead of debt fueled speculation.

  146. Christo says:

    They created the racism animal, it would only be fitting if it ate them.

  147. @Trevor H.

    “Several” = enough to be plural, i.e., more than one.

    Current (admitted) population of Brooklyn, per Wiki = 2.6 million.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
  148. @Tyrion 2

    If it was bar-hopping around the western fringe, then yeah probably.

    Like most towns, there is the public facade, and then there is the outback. Often the outback is none too pretty.

    It’s probably a peculiarity of mine from growing up a little outback-y, but when encountering a new location, if I enter through the public facade I can’t quite feel at ease until I find where the outback is–where the workers’ accommodations and raw materials’ depots are, where function rules rather than decoration, where things are as they actually are rather than as they want you to perceive them to be.

  149. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Whether blacks were attacking barely above poverty level White factory workers and their families 70 years ago or attacking Whites moving into their jungles today it’s always Whitey’s fault.

    Jews blame the White goyim when blacks attack them. They’ve been doing so for 100 years.

    The most effective and powerful allies against Whites has been the black Jew partnership.

    The horrors of school desegregation, school bussing, affirmative action discrimination against Whites, the constant vilification of Whites by Jewish media entertainment public education education and academia are all the result of the black Jewish alliance

    Boo hoo

  150. @Anon

    That is one serious manjaw.

    • Replies: @Anon
  151. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    She’s not Jewish. She’s 1/2 Czech 1/4 German 1/4 Scots. Czechs are German.

    Her husband is pure ethnic Jew. He is gorgeous, tall and slim with a beautiful perfect face.

    I’ve always wondered if they observe the blood taboo abstinence thing. What a preverted religion.

    Married couples can’t have sex 16 days of the month because a molecule of blood might be left over but sex with prostitutes and adultery with a goy aren’t sins of fortification and adultery because the goyim are 4 legged animals and fornicatiion and adultery with animals isn’t a sin.

    The weirdo sect the husband’s family belongs to makes the woman take a ritual bath in a bathhouse owned by the Rabbis ( women can’t be trusted to take a bath at home) and have their underpants inspected before the abstinence is lifted.

    One Orthodox neighborhood in NYC votes for Trump and all the conservatives hope the Jews might leave the Democrats. Dream on.

    Ivanka has a receding chin.

  152. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The estrogen worked on the arm muscles although the muscle bulge may have been airbrushed out. The wig is blatant and obvious. The masculine facial bones are obvious although the photographer has him all twisted to minimize the face. He should grow his own hair and get rid of the artificial looking wigs.

    Estrogen has no effect on bones.

    The side view is to make him look normal female slim. It’s done with wide shouldered wide rib cage wide pelvis trannies. No matter how underweight they are, the big wide bones betray they are men. A side view picture conceals the width of the torso

    A full front picture would make it obvious she’s s man despite the fancy dress

  153. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    If interest rates were raised I’d get a couple hundred dollars interest in my bank accounts every month. One account is down to .35 last time I noticed.

  154. Trevor H. says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Two is a couple. That’s plural but not several.

    Three and four are “a few”.

    Then…what comes next..

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  155. Trevor H. says:
    @kaganovitch

    Yeah, and if Hatzoloh weren’t notorious for keeping very kosher, the facts might be less credible. But you know all this, kaganovitch.

    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
  156. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I lived in Manhattan 2 summers when I was in college. I used to take the train to the Brooklyn beach all the time. It was nothing but shabby streets of shabby small businesses, lots of overflowing trash cans and litter. Architecture was nondescript.

    The residential streets were probably better but all I saw were streets of shabby storefronts. Had I gotten a good job and decided to stay in New York I’d never have thought of living in Brooklyn.

    Rents were more in line with wages then. Manhatten was affordable.

  157. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Many historians claim the pyramid workers were decently paid free Egyptians. One thing I’ve always wondered; how did the downtrodden slaves manage to rob the treasury before they left.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  158. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

  159. No. Street thugs aren’t antisemitic, they’re just out hunting. The Talented Tenth, now, they are big-time antisemitic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  160. @Trevor H.

    If by keeping kosher ,you mean not assisting non Jews when on the scene, no I am not aware of anything of the sort. Highly unlikely as many Hatzalah members are licensed EMTs and would lose accreditation under the circumstances. In any case these ate not “facts”, just claims.

  161. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew

    The Talented Tenth, now, they are big-time antisemitic.

    How did they come to be antisemitic?

  162. Anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trevor H.

    IIRC, the ambulance workers were attacked when they arrived on the scene.

  163. duncsbaby says:
    @william munny

    Katy Perry does have bigger boobs, as her followers.

  164. duncsbaby says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep, but when it’s a white guy we need to have a national conversation which really means a liberal lecture.

  165. @Anon

    You didn’t get the joke. I know she’s not ethnically Jewish. :)

  166. @Anon

    Ivanka has a receding chin.

    Ivanka is fine in my eyes.

    Athletic and beautiful Ivanka Trump:

  167. Clyde says:
    @Irish Paleo

    comprehensive. One of the top 15 posts at iSteve. Enlightening!

  168. @Anonymous

    ‘This is not what the genetic evidence says, but hey who cares right.

    There are certain Y-chromosome haplotypes which are fairly certain to indicate descent from biblical-era Jews, and modern Jews have it while the Arabs who have recently taken to calling themselves Palestinians don’t.’

    It’s the other way around. Ideologues started conducting the ‘research,’ and even more to the point, the popularization of that research.

    Sure, the various Jewish communities are often genetically related. However, they are invariably even more closely related to their gentile neighbors — as one look at their photos establishes.

    …and Palestinians are indeed the one group with the strongest genetic link to the original population of Palestine. Go figure.

    There was no diaspora. Judaism appeared in the wake of the Persian conquests as an urban cult with centers in Mesopotamia, Palestine, and Egypt. There was a cultic significance to Jerusalem — but Jews didn’t come from there in particular. They came from converts made around the Mediterranean and the Middle East in the late Hellenic and early Roman period — and spread from there.

    You might as well decide the Lutherans deserve Palestine.

  169. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Ancient Egypt was flooded for half of the year and farmers had nothing to do for that time. Why not put them to work? High water also made transportation of workers and building materials easy.

  170. @Colin Wright

    You’ve begged the question. Why is any of what you wrote relevant to the classification issue under discussion? How would categorization based on the items you cite help anyone understand the world? We’re talking about ingroups, not genetic clusters.

    The fact that Tua wears a Crimson jersey doesn’t make him an Oklahoma Sooner, and no Sooner is going to accept him as such.

    And there’s more to it than the fact the Jews are a separate, competing entity from the perspective of those properly categorizes as Whites. They are competing in a different manner — not as individual humans but as members of a group constituting an organism in its own right. It is for this reason that they consider the genetic similarities or clustering you note to be completely irrelevant. It is the group that must survive, not the humans composing the group, nor the lower-level genetic structures composing those humans.

    And it is a simple that there is a Jewish race according to Mr. Sailer’s excellent definition of that term.

  171. @Clement Pulaski

    Off topic, but I thought I’d point out that the left is now unironically using the term “unbearable whiteness,” a term I first heard on iSteve lampooning the left’s white-phobia:

    It wasn’t a lampoon. The unironic use of such terms by the Left was the reason the term later showed up here.

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