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We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare, but perhaps it’s more like it’s very boring and tawdry, so it’s easy to memoryhole when it does happen. For example, here are a couple of 2020 Department of Justice press releases about a vote fraud conspiracy in Philadelphia in 2013-2015:

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, July 23, 2020
Former Congressman Charged with Ballot Stuffing, Bribery, and Obstruction

A former U.S. Congressman was charged Tuesday in an indictment unsealed today, with conspiring to violate voting rights by fraudulently stuffing the ballot boxes for specific candidates in the 2014, 2015, and 2016 primary elections, bribery of an election official, falsification of records, voting more than once in federal elections, and obstruction of justice.

Michael “Ozzie” Myers, 77, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, is charged with conspiring with and bribing the former Judge of Elections for the 39th Ward, 36th Division, Domenick J. Demuro.

Myers, a Democrat from Philadelphia, who served two terms in the US House of Representatives before being the first Congressman to be expelled since 1861, has quite a Wikipedia bio:

Michael Joseph Myers was born on May 4, 1943, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In 1963, Myers was arrested for burglary, but was later acquitted.[1]

In 1979, he got into a fight with a security guard and a 19-year-old female cashier in an elevator leading from the rooftop lounge of a Quality Inn motel in Arlington, Virginia, punching and kicking them. Myers became combative after they told him to turn down the music at a party he was having in the motel, shouting, “I’m a congressman: we don’t have to be quiet.” He was subsequently charged with assault and battery,[8] and eventually pleaded no contest to a charge of disorderly conduct three months later. He received a six-month suspended sentence.[9][10]

Myers was involved in the Abscam scandal in 1980. Myers was videotaped accepting a bribe of $50,000 from undercover FBI agents on August 22, 1979.[11] On that tape, Myers is recorded saying that “money talks in this business and bullshit walks.”[12] Myers was expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980, by a vote of 376 to 30, becoming the first member of the House to be expelled since 1861. Myers was convicted of bribery and conspiracy and sentenced to three years in prison in 1981.[13]

Back to the DoJ:

Demuro, who pleaded guilty previously in federal court in Philadelphia, was responsible for overseeing the entire election process and all voter activities of his division in accord with federal and state election laws.

… Myers is charged with bribing Demuro to illegally add votes for certain candidates of their mutual party in primary elections. Some of these candidates were individuals running for judicial office whose campaigns had hired Myers, and others were candidates for various federal, state, and local elective offices whom Myers favored for a variety of reasons. According to the indictment, Myers would solicit payments from his clients in the form of cash or checks as “consulting fees,” and then use portions of these funds to pay Demuro and others in return for tampering with election results.

After receiving payments ranging from between $300 to $5,000 per election from the consultant, the court papers allege Demuro would add fraudulent votes on the voting machine – also known as “ringing up” votes – for Myers’ clients and preferred candidates, thereby diluting the value of ballots cast by actual voters. At Myers’ direction, Demuro would add these fraudulent votes to the totals during Election Day, and then would later falsely certify that the voting machine results were accurate. Myers is also accused of directing Demuro to lie about the circumstances of the bribes and the ballot-stuffing scheme to investigators.

And here’s the DoJ’s earlier press release about Demuro:

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, May 21, 2020

Former Philadelphia Judge of Elections Convicted of Conspiring to Violate Civil Rights and Bribery

A former Judge of Elections has been convicted for his role in accepting bribes to cast fraudulent ballots and certifying false voting results during the 2014, 2015, and 2016 primary elections in Philadelphia.

Domenick J. Demuro, 73, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, pleaded guilty during a sealed proceeding on March 16, 2020, before U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond to conspiring to deprive persons of civil rights, and using interstate facilities in aid of bribery. The court unsealed the matter today. Sentencing is scheduled for June 30, 2020.

During his guilty plea hearing, Demuro admitted that while serving as an elected municipal Judge of Elections, he accepted bribes in the form of money and other things of value in exchange for adding ballots to increase the vote totals for certain candidates on the voting machines in his jurisdiction and for certifying tallies of all the ballots, including the fraudulent ballots. Demuro further admitted that a local political consultant [Myers] gave him directions and paid him money to add votes for candidates supported by the consultant, including candidates for judicial office whose campaigns actually hired the consultant, and other candidates for various federal, state and local elective offices preferred by that consultant for a variety of reasons. Demuro also admitted that the votes he added in exchange for payments by the political consultant increased the number of votes fraudulently recorded and tallied for the consultant’s clients and preferred candidates, thereby diluting the ballots cast by actual voters. …

“Domenick Demuro put a thumb on the scale for certain candidates, in exchange for bribes,” said Special Agent in Charge Michael J. Driscoll of the FBI’s Philadelphia Division.

Speaking of Abscam:

From The Federalist:

Ozzie’s story is an illustrative one, and an important, colorful example of how things work in Philadelphia politics—a “machine,” one insider told The Federalist, that has a lot more in common with “a living organism” that doesn’t need instructions “to know how to breathe.”

Michael “Ozzie” Myers was born in 1943 in Philadelphia. When he was 19, he was arrested for burglary but later acquitted (“a misunderstanding,” he’d say). When he was 27, his illegally owned handgun was used by his cousin to kill a non-union construction worker in what one newspaper characterized as “a union quarrel.” His cousin was fine, winning office as an election judge while still in prison, assuming his new office after release, and pleading the Fifth to stealing ballots.

Ozzie quickly made a name for himself. In 1975, by then 32 and a member of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, he sued to cut off federal funds to the local federal prosecutor. The next month, he was the lone vote against expelling a colleague on his way to prison. He was rewarded for being such a reliable guy, and the following year the 16 ward leaders of District One nominated him to replace the Democratic congressman who had died in office (with the mayor easing early concerns Myers wasn’t even Italian). “I’m not going to tell you what I’m going to do until I get there,” he told the Democrats voting to send him to Washington.

When he did get to Washington, he partied. In 1979, when a Northern Virginia motel security guard told them they had to quiet down, Ozzie replied, “I’m a congressman, we don’t have to be quiet,” before beating the man with his friends. When the 19-year-old girl who worked the register tried to help the guard, they beat her as well. When the police arrived, one of Ozzie’s buddies was naked from the waist down, screaming “beat me!” The naked man was arrested, and a warrant issued for the congressman’s arrest. During their sentencing, the judge warned the two to “keep their records clean.”

Ozzie did not follow the judge’s advice, and the following year, 1980, he explained to undercover FBI agents delivering him a $50,000 bribe that “money talks in this business, and bullshit walks.” When video emerged he was expelled from Congress — the first congressman expelled since the Civil War—and went to prison. When Ozzie got out, he appears to have gone right back to work, and in July 2020 was charged with bribing a Philadelphia elections judge to stuff ballots for his candidates.

Three of those candidates, who have not been identified, now sit on the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas. Judges on this court have already denied the Trump campaign’s ballot-watchers access, providing crucial unsupervised time to ward vote counters before a successful appeal at a higher court.

Ozzie is a particularly colorful character, but not an unusual one, according to interviews The Federalist conducted with multiple current and former members of Philadelphia’s Democratic Party, who agreed to talk to us on condition of anonymity. It’s a way of life, they explained, with voters often owing their jobs (as well as family members’ jobs) and much else to an administration that rewards those it finds reliable.

“You have a kid who gets in trouble,” one insider explained as an example, “you call the party, and the party will have a lawyer on retainer who can represent him in court. The lawyer’s actually free, because he wants to become a judge so is establishing he’s reliable. When you get the nod to run, you pay $30 or $40,000 for party ‘marketing expenses’ and you win a 10-year term. You’re in front of a judge who went through this process… from the Democratic City Committee, so as soon as you walk in the room that judge is going to make the charge go away.”

“You couldn’t wire tap this,” they explained. “There’s no phone call, no deal—it’s a system he bought into years ago.”

And that’s just judges, insiders say. The “machine,” one explained, is less a machine than it is “a living organism—it doesn’t need a handshake or a phone call to know how to breathe.” Each part does its job, often in tandem but rarely with any communication or even necessarily a friendly relationship, and when things go right, people stay employed and the money keeps flowing.

Ozzie, we’re told, wasn’t even caught as part of an election fraud investigation: He was simply on the trail to John “Johnny Doc” Dougherty, a powerful Philadelphia labor boss who leads the Local 98 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers and was indicted in February 2019. Johnny Doc’s younger brother, Judge Kevin Dougherty,” was elected to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 2015 with help from Local 98.

“In these neighborhoods, your school, house, health care, your job, a lawyer if your kid is in trouble, are all government. The bad ones are the bribes… the rest is just how it works.”

 
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  1. Wow Myers has been really keeping busy huh? And he still found time to do all those Austin Powers movies. Wow, respect.

    • LOL: Cortes
  2. Ringing up votes on a machine means the total of voters signing the poll book or voting absentee would be less than the final numbers.

    Not a very good system. But then large corrupt cities have little interest in fixing things.

  3. We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare …

    … as are elections in which > 100% of the eligible voters in a state all vote.

  4. “Anecdotal!” they’ll cry.

    But seriously, any good estimation of how common it is. I also suspect the conventional wisdom that it’s very rare is dubious.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Jtgw

    If the rebel forces had anything on the ball, they'd have conclusive video evidence of vote manipulation. We know it's out there. Why isn't any of it documented?

    Infiltrating their ranks can't be all that hard. Of course, the objection may be raised that the MSM would ignore any such evidence, but it's also true that the MSM aren't the only game in town any more.

  5. I believe that voting fraud is banal in America especially among leftists whose goal is the overthrow of the government anyway. I know one such leftist who cast fraudulent votes for decades using the identity of a family member who was mentally incapacitated.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    @Stan d Mute

    The Bush Bastard won by fraud in 2000. Soon followed by 911. Coincidence???

  6. North Carolina redid a whole election in 2018 due to voter fraud. Of course the Republican one the first one so there was no outcry.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Polynikes


    Of course the Republican one the first one so there was no outcry.
     
    Are you dictating this?
    , @Libre
    @Polynikes

    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @J.Ross

  7. While orders of magnitude less important, the failure of the Republicans to counter the Democrats “open borders!”, “elect a new people” voting shortcut has been a disaster.

    Don’t have enough info on whether Trump really won, but just didn’t reach the “margin of fraud” in Wisconsin and Michigan? (and maybe Georgia?, maybe Neveda?).

    But regardless, the GOP has once again–as with immigration–failed to do it’s duty to protect a core possession of Americans–the right to govern ourselves.

    They’ve allowed the Democrats to work to make voting less secure. And they have failed to stand up to this “the more the merrier” nonsense and “voter suppression” propaganda. And fight back furiously–letting unqualified people vote, letting bogus ballots through is flat out stealing your vote. It is the actual “voter suppression”.

    Don’t want to even try and explicate legal possibilities here. Even what i’d do would take too long and i’m sure there’s a ton of approaches i haven’t even thought of.

    But some obvious stuff:
    — no same day registration
    — voting only with scanned ID
    — counties must report numbers of absentee/mail-in before voting day and must report in-person numbers immediate on poll closure
    — possibly only state offices count the votes
    — have “use it or lose it” deadlines; counties must report by X timeline, no excuses;
    — have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural
    — have special anti-fraud monitoring of Democratic trouble spots; voting rights act has pre-clearance, states could do “preclearance” on trouble spots
    — fingerprints (other biometrics)
    — data system that lets people–recording a ballot number–check that their ballot was counted and correctly
    — longer range–but not very hard–a secure on-line system where voting produces a signed ballot the citizen can check has been read properly–all the code open for all

    and critically, and something that could have been done at the national level by Trump/Republicans in 2017:

    — severe punishment of any messing with the vote; i’d make the case for it being treason, with the penalty time and prision then revocation of citizenship and explusion; and aggressive enforcement. Would be vote fraudsters–i.e. Democrats–would live in fear and be very reluctant to try and cheat.

    Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans’ right to govern themselves.

    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    — have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural
     
    This is a good idea. Milwaukee is the largest in Wisconsin, Florence and Menominee alternating spots at the bottom, with just over 4,000 inhabitants each.

    But they're very different. Florence, on the Michigan border, is 98.7% white. Menominee is an Indian reservation. One 73% Trump, highest in the state, the other, 82% Biden-- more than Milwaukee, Madison's Dane, or any other county.

    Neither county has any incorporated communities, by the way.

    , @cliff arroyo
    @AnotherDad

    "Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans’ right to govern themselves"

    What on earth makes you think that the Republican establishment has any interest whatsoever in doing that?
    They're every bit as invested in large-scale low-skilled immigration as the Democrats, just as the Democrats are just as devoted as the Republicans to eroding and eliminating any kind of social safety net for citizens.
    The two parties largely agree on the big outlines they only differ in the slogans used to vote harvest from among the suckers.
    Trump and Sanders were so refreshing just for that reason and look what happened to them. Sanders was sabotaged by the party machine in a way that makes professional wrestling look real and spontaneous. Trump was barely tolerated by grifters who think they can discard him and keep the votes he brought.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @AnotherDad

    Right, nothing fraud is stealing the result of the vote. I find the construction they use absolutely mystifying: fraudulently adding to vote totals dilutes the value of legitimate ballots? Guess the issue with counterfeiting must be its affect on the money supply.

  8. On that tape, Myers is recorded saying that “money talks in this business and 🐂💩 walks.”

    You can scrape the boy off the streets of Philadelphia, but you can’t scrape the streets of Philadelphia off the boy.

    In December 1970, Michael Joseph Sullivan, his cousin who later served as an election judge while incarcerated, killed a construction worker during a union dispute. It was revealed in 1974, by The Philadelphia Inquirer, that Myers was in possession of the gun while lobbying against Philadelphia’s gun registration law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Myers_(politician)#State_legislature

    There is no reason to doubt the integrity of the Commonwealth’s electoral process, is there now?

  9. @AnotherDad
    While orders of magnitude less important, the failure of the Republicans to counter the Democrats "open borders!", "elect a new people" voting shortcut has been a disaster.

    Don't have enough info on whether Trump really won, but just didn't reach the "margin of fraud" in Wisconsin and Michigan? (and maybe Georgia?, maybe Neveda?).

    But regardless, the GOP has once again--as with immigration--failed to do it's duty to protect a core possession of Americans--the right to govern ourselves.


    They've allowed the Democrats to work to make voting less secure. And they have failed to stand up to this "the more the merrier" nonsense and "voter suppression" propaganda. And fight back furiously--letting unqualified people vote, letting bogus ballots through is flat out stealing your vote. It is the actual "voter suppression".

    Don't want to even try and explicate legal possibilities here. Even what i'd do would take too long and i'm sure there's a ton of approaches i haven't even thought of.

    But some obvious stuff:
    -- no same day registration
    -- voting only with scanned ID
    -- counties must report numbers of absentee/mail-in before voting day and must report in-person numbers immediate on poll closure
    -- possibly only state offices count the votes
    -- have "use it or lose it" deadlines; counties must report by X timeline, no excuses;
    -- have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural
    -- have special anti-fraud monitoring of Democratic trouble spots; voting rights act has pre-clearance, states could do "preclearance" on trouble spots
    -- fingerprints (other biometrics)
    -- data system that lets people--recording a ballot number--check that their ballot was counted and correctly
    -- longer range--but not very hard--a secure on-line system where voting produces a signed ballot the citizen can check has been read properly--all the code open for all

    and critically, and something that could have been done at the national level by Trump/Republicans in 2017:

    -- severe punishment of any messing with the vote; i'd make the case for it being treason, with the penalty time and prision then revocation of citizenship and explusion; and aggressive enforcement. Would be vote fraudsters--i.e. Democrats--would live in fear and be very reluctant to try and cheat.


    Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans' right to govern themselves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cliff arroyo, @Gabe Ruth

    — have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural

    This is a good idea. Milwaukee is the largest in Wisconsin, Florence and Menominee alternating spots at the bottom, with just over 4,000 inhabitants each.

    But they’re very different. Florence, on the Michigan border, is 98.7% white. Menominee is an Indian reservation. One 73% Trump, highest in the state, the other, 82% Biden– more than Milwaukee, Madison’s Dane, or any other county.

    Neither county has any incorporated communities, by the way.

  10. @Jtgw
    “Anecdotal!” they’ll cry.

    But seriously, any good estimation of how common it is. I also suspect the conventional wisdom that it’s very rare is dubious.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    If the rebel forces had anything on the ball, they’d have conclusive video evidence of vote manipulation. We know it’s out there. Why isn’t any of it documented?

    Infiltrating their ranks can’t be all that hard. Of course, the objection may be raised that the MSM would ignore any such evidence, but it’s also true that the MSM aren’t the only game in town any more.

  11. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    lol how does one of the only people EVER expelled from the US House end up anywhere close to an election? And probably somehow making a career out of the grift?

    I know the answer, but come on.

    And has anybody cried RACIST! at the new-found use of “banana republic” with respect to the shady tactics in Philly, Atlanta, Detroit? I suspect I know the answer to that as well.

  12. We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare …

    The Heritage Foundation keeps a (partial) list of Election Fraud cases. Most appear to be of a petty nature and at an individual nature. But not all.

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @PiltdownMan


    An US Postal Service worker was arrested in New York at the Canadian border allegedly with undelivered mail in his trunk, including absentee ballots mailed by the Erie County Board of Elections, according to a report.

    On Tuesday night, Border agents allegedly found 800 pieces of undelivered mail, including 106 political mailings, 220 first-class mailings and 484 standard mailings, in the trunk of Brandon Wilson's car.
     


    "The vast majority of the United States Postal Service's more than 630,000 employees are committed to ensuring the security of the United States mail," said Desai Abdul-Razzaaq, spokesman for the Postal Service in Buffalo.
     
    There now. Isn't that reassuring?

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/usps-worker-arrested-ny-canada-border-mail-absentees

    Also see

    U.S. Postal Service says 1,700 ballots found in Pennsylvania facilities
    Reuters

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @PiltdownMan

    Pretty much all Philly and Pittsburgh.


    U.S. Postal Service says 1,700 ballots found in Pennsylvania facilities

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) said about 1,700 ballots had been identified in Pennsylvania at processing facilities during two sweeps Thursday and were being delivered to election officials.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/BigStory12/idUSKBN27M0LC

     

    Pretty much all for Biden. Weird huh.
  13. I’ve lived all over-including a stint in the Philly area. My God, does that place suck. Mainly it’s the people. Stupid and mean-not tough mean–psycho mean.

    While there, I made up a slogan:

    “Philadelphia-Where even the White people are a**holes”.

  14. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s a lot on Twitter right now about Detroit dead voters. Someone pulled a list of registered voters in Wayne County whose birth dates are 1920 or earlier (i.e. almost certainly dead). You can punch their names into the Michigan voter registry and see whether “they” have voted in this election. The majority haven’t, but it seems that quite a few have. I just found one at random who was born in 1914 with recent dates for absentee ballot “application received”, then “ballot sent”, and then, a few weeks ago, “ballot received”.

    As an aside, the tech censorship going on right now is totally insane. It’s 10x larger than it was even a few weeks ago. We entered a new era on November 3rd. As I was scrolling through these Twitter comments I was seeing accounts get blocked or deleted in real time. A poster put the list up on Pastebin and that site put a filter on it too.

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Anon

    Et tu pastebin? :(

  15. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:

    We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare, but perhaps it’s more like it’s very boring and tawdry, so it’s easy to memoryhole when it does happen.

    I don’t buy this. More often than not, voter fraud at the national level occurs in states where it doesn’t really matter electorally. But it is common. Was there more voter fraud in Camden, NJ or Milwaukee, WI? I’m guessing it was about the same. But suddenly, thanks to Trump, WI became a battleground state, whereas NJ is still a foregone electoral conclusion.

    Where Trump threw a wrench in things was converting WI, PA, and MI into battleground states at a faster rate than democratic handlers could get black politicians in these cities to reign it in. These local cities were unprepared for the national legal spotlight that will shine on them. Hence, innumerate blacks report batches of votes that have a 0.000000000000000001% probability of occurring.

  16. @PiltdownMan

    We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare …
     
    The Heritage Foundation keeps a (partial) list of Election Fraud cases. Most appear to be of a petty nature and at an individual nature. But not all.



    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search


    https://i.imgur.com/qQLcVd1.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Hangnail Hans

    An US Postal Service worker was arrested in New York at the Canadian border allegedly with undelivered mail in his trunk, including absentee ballots mailed by the Erie County Board of Elections, according to a report.

    On Tuesday night, Border agents allegedly found 800 pieces of undelivered mail, including 106 political mailings, 220 first-class mailings and 484 standard mailings, in the trunk of Brandon Wilson’s car.

    [MORE]

    “The vast majority of the United States Postal Service’s more than 630,000 employees are committed to ensuring the security of the United States mail,” said Desai Abdul-Razzaaq, spokesman for the Postal Service in Buffalo.

    There now. Isn’t that reassuring?

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/usps-worker-arrested-ny-canada-border-mail-absentees

    Also see

    U.S. Postal Service says 1,700 ballots found in Pennsylvania facilities
    Reuters

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
  17. @PiltdownMan

    We are told that vote fraud is very, very rare …
     
    The Heritage Foundation keeps a (partial) list of Election Fraud cases. Most appear to be of a petty nature and at an individual nature. But not all.



    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search


    https://i.imgur.com/qQLcVd1.jpg

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Hangnail Hans

    Pretty much all Philly and Pittsburgh.

    U.S. Postal Service says 1,700 ballots found in Pennsylvania facilities

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) said about 1,700 ballots had been identified in Pennsylvania at processing facilities during two sweeps Thursday and were being delivered to election officials.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/BigStory12/idUSKBN27M0LC

    Pretty much all for Biden. Weird huh.

  18. Hey, CNN folks looking for evidence of vote tampering!! 🙋🏻‍♂️

  19. Most of the fraud is being organized by Italian-American mafia bosses.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I don't know if that's still true. Chicago and the Illinois Democratic Party were run by the Daley machine and the Outfit at least until the late-80s when Pat Marcy, who had been a gunman for Al Capone and was a made man in the Outfit, was arrested. Marcy was head of Chicago's First Ward and was basically a shadow mayor who ran Chicago and the Democrats for the Outfit from the Counselor's Row restaurant across the street from City Hall.

    In Chicago and New York at least, more "legitimate" oligarch types seem to have taken over the local Democratic Party and city governments, while the mafia and old school machines have diminished.

  20. @AnotherDad
    While orders of magnitude less important, the failure of the Republicans to counter the Democrats "open borders!", "elect a new people" voting shortcut has been a disaster.

    Don't have enough info on whether Trump really won, but just didn't reach the "margin of fraud" in Wisconsin and Michigan? (and maybe Georgia?, maybe Neveda?).

    But regardless, the GOP has once again--as with immigration--failed to do it's duty to protect a core possession of Americans--the right to govern ourselves.


    They've allowed the Democrats to work to make voting less secure. And they have failed to stand up to this "the more the merrier" nonsense and "voter suppression" propaganda. And fight back furiously--letting unqualified people vote, letting bogus ballots through is flat out stealing your vote. It is the actual "voter suppression".

    Don't want to even try and explicate legal possibilities here. Even what i'd do would take too long and i'm sure there's a ton of approaches i haven't even thought of.

    But some obvious stuff:
    -- no same day registration
    -- voting only with scanned ID
    -- counties must report numbers of absentee/mail-in before voting day and must report in-person numbers immediate on poll closure
    -- possibly only state offices count the votes
    -- have "use it or lose it" deadlines; counties must report by X timeline, no excuses;
    -- have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural
    -- have special anti-fraud monitoring of Democratic trouble spots; voting rights act has pre-clearance, states could do "preclearance" on trouble spots
    -- fingerprints (other biometrics)
    -- data system that lets people--recording a ballot number--check that their ballot was counted and correctly
    -- longer range--but not very hard--a secure on-line system where voting produces a signed ballot the citizen can check has been read properly--all the code open for all

    and critically, and something that could have been done at the national level by Trump/Republicans in 2017:

    -- severe punishment of any messing with the vote; i'd make the case for it being treason, with the penalty time and prision then revocation of citizenship and explusion; and aggressive enforcement. Would be vote fraudsters--i.e. Democrats--would live in fear and be very reluctant to try and cheat.


    Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans' right to govern themselves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cliff arroyo, @Gabe Ruth

    “Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans’ right to govern themselves”

    What on earth makes you think that the Republican establishment has any interest whatsoever in doing that?
    They’re every bit as invested in large-scale low-skilled immigration as the Democrats, just as the Democrats are just as devoted as the Republicans to eroding and eliminating any kind of social safety net for citizens.
    The two parties largely agree on the big outlines they only differ in the slogans used to vote harvest from among the suckers.
    Trump and Sanders were so refreshing just for that reason and look what happened to them. Sanders was sabotaged by the party machine in a way that makes professional wrestling look real and spontaneous. Trump was barely tolerated by grifters who think they can discard him and keep the votes he brought.

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @cliff arroyo


    They’re every bit as invested in large-scale low-skilled immigration as the Democrats, just as the Democrats are just as devoted as the Republicans to eroding and eliminating any kind of social safety net for citizens.
     
    The "social safety net" is what drugged Americans-- and the rest of the West-- into letting the immigrants in in the first place.

    We don't need a "Great Society", we need to go back to the friendly society of the past.

    They don't control immigration or foreign policy. Or you.

  21. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    Most of the fraud is being organized by Italian-American mafia bosses.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t know if that’s still true. Chicago and the Illinois Democratic Party were run by the Daley machine and the Outfit at least until the late-80s when Pat Marcy, who had been a gunman for Al Capone and was a made man in the Outfit, was arrested. Marcy was head of Chicago’s First Ward and was basically a shadow mayor who ran Chicago and the Democrats for the Outfit from the Counselor’s Row restaurant across the street from City Hall.

    In Chicago and New York at least, more “legitimate” oligarch types seem to have taken over the local Democratic Party and city governments, while the mafia and old school machines have diminished.

  22. To be honest, that sounds small time. How many votes can you “ring up”? Ten? A hundree? A thousand? You’d have to have a lot of people doing this.

  23. @Polynikes
    North Carolina redid a whole election in 2018 due to voter fraud. Of course the Republican one the first one so there was no outcry.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Libre

    Of course the Republican one the first one so there was no outcry.

    Are you dictating this?

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  24. @cliff arroyo
    @AnotherDad

    "Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans’ right to govern themselves"

    What on earth makes you think that the Republican establishment has any interest whatsoever in doing that?
    They're every bit as invested in large-scale low-skilled immigration as the Democrats, just as the Democrats are just as devoted as the Republicans to eroding and eliminating any kind of social safety net for citizens.
    The two parties largely agree on the big outlines they only differ in the slogans used to vote harvest from among the suckers.
    Trump and Sanders were so refreshing just for that reason and look what happened to them. Sanders was sabotaged by the party machine in a way that makes professional wrestling look real and spontaneous. Trump was barely tolerated by grifters who think they can discard him and keep the votes he brought.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They’re every bit as invested in large-scale low-skilled immigration as the Democrats, just as the Democrats are just as devoted as the Republicans to eroding and eliminating any kind of social safety net for citizens.

    The “social safety net” is what drugged Americans– and the rest of the West– into letting the immigrants in in the first place.

    We don’t need a “Great Society”, we need to go back to the friendly society of the past.

    They don’t control immigration or foreign policy. Or you.

    • Agree: Libre, Bubba
  25. Where is Jimmy Carter when you need him?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @David
    @The Alarmist

    I began to wonder if the Carter Center was a scam after the first presidential election in Honduras following Mel's ouster. Tegucigalpa, with around 25% of the Honduran population, was a ghost town on voting day. There was maybe 10% of the normal number of pedestrians and the only vehicles moving around were pickup trucks full of soldiers. All the polling places I saw were empty. Yet the vote, supposedly with over 80% turnout, was certified Free and Fair by Carter's people.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  26. In the run-up to the 1960 election one of the Philadelphia papers, I believe the Inquirer, had endorsed Kennedy based on traditional Democratic political convictions. Then, shortly before election day, the paper switched to endorsing Nixon based solely on one factor: the egregious preparations for vote fraud the paper had spotted in the Philadelphia Democratic machine.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Henry Canaday

    That same machine machine had only nine years earlier replaced a previous Republican machine. When this happened it claimed to be, and was, by the Establishment, hailed as, a reform movement, led by the "patricians" Joe Clark and Richardson Dilworth. I think Dilworth was still in office in 1960.

  27. @Henry Canaday
    In the run-up to the 1960 election one of the Philadelphia papers, I believe the Inquirer, had endorsed Kennedy based on traditional Democratic political convictions. Then, shortly before election day, the paper switched to endorsing Nixon based solely on one factor: the egregious preparations for vote fraud the paper had spotted in the Philadelphia Democratic machine.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    That same machine machine had only nine years earlier replaced a previous Republican machine. When this happened it claimed to be, and was, by the Establishment, hailed as, a reform movement, led by the “patricians” Joe Clark and Richardson Dilworth. I think Dilworth was still in office in 1960.

  28. @Polynikes
    North Carolina redid a whole election in 2018 due to voter fraud. Of course the Republican one the first one so there was no outcry.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Libre

    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Libre


    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.
     
    I was thinking the same thing just now. Even if DJT wins all his attempts to keep "bad" (late, unsigned, etc.) ballots out of the total count, the Ds have intentionally commingled these ballots with all the others and there is no way to separate them out at this point.

    The brazenness of the Ds reminds me very much of BHO when he said, "I have a pen, and a phone." IOW, come get me. I dare you.
    , @J.Ross
    @Libre

    ALL OF MY THIS. Michigan is red for the God-Emperor. Trump voters would absolutely do it again. We have been seeing these giant spontaneous rallies and traffic displays and flotillæ, but everybody just forgot to vote? Same with other states. Biden did not flip Arizona, the media is both lying and ignoring Arizona state officials (who have asked that the state not be called). Nothing is over. It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, it was time to give Curtis LeMay a match.

  29. @Anon
    There's a lot on Twitter right now about Detroit dead voters. Someone pulled a list of registered voters in Wayne County whose birth dates are 1920 or earlier (i.e. almost certainly dead). You can punch their names into the Michigan voter registry and see whether "they" have voted in this election. The majority haven't, but it seems that quite a few have. I just found one at random who was born in 1914 with recent dates for absentee ballot "application received", then "ballot sent", and then, a few weeks ago, "ballot received".

    As an aside, the tech censorship going on right now is totally insane. It's 10x larger than it was even a few weeks ago. We entered a new era on November 3rd. As I was scrolling through these Twitter comments I was seeing accounts get blocked or deleted in real time. A poster put the list up on Pastebin and that site put a filter on it too.

    Replies: @Libre

    Et tu pastebin? 🙁

  30. Steve might remember this:

    There were 100,000 fraudulent votes from Chicago in the 1982 Illinoig gubernatorial election.

    All those behind it, except two, were convicted:

    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?name=&state=All&year=1982&case_type=All&fraud_type=All

  31. Souls to the polls, I finally get it now.

    Dead lives matters.

    Apparently Isaac Saul has debunked the dead people voting in Michigan, they check and discount any votes from dead people, no doubt quickly and efficiently. They presumably then do exhaustive investigations of why dead people are requesting absentee ballots and returning them.

    Nothing to worry about.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @LondonBob

    I read Isaac Saul’s vote fraud debunking thread. It all sounded nice and convincing to a layperson but he said one thing that set red flags waving in my mind. He states that yes, people filming the count were kicked out, but that was so they couldn’t display who people voted for.

    Huh? It’s a secret ballot. Why would filming the count violate voters’ privacy?

  32. @Libre
    @Polynikes

    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @J.Ross

    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.

    I was thinking the same thing just now. Even if DJT wins all his attempts to keep “bad” (late, unsigned, etc.) ballots out of the total count, the Ds have intentionally commingled these ballots with all the others and there is no way to separate them out at this point.

    The brazenness of the Ds reminds me very much of BHO when he said, “I have a pen, and a phone.” IOW, come get me. I dare you.

  33. I’m 73 years old. Do you think I give a fork if I go to prison? Hell no!!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @profnasty

    And here's the thing about a Biden presidency and restarting the Obama domestic propaganda and political persecution programs: you have absolutely nothing to lose, you're on your way anyhow.

  34. @Stan d Mute
    I believe that voting fraud is banal in America especially among leftists whose goal is the overthrow of the government anyway. I know one such leftist who cast fraudulent votes for decades using the identity of a family member who was mentally incapacitated.

    Replies: @profnasty

    The Bush Bastard won by fraud in 2000. Soon followed by 911. Coincidence???

  35. @Libre
    @Polynikes

    We need a revote for a few states here. One day, in person. No absentees. Party, Federal, and international monitoring.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @J.Ross

    ALL OF MY THIS. Michigan is red for the God-Emperor. Trump voters would absolutely do it again. We have been seeing these giant spontaneous rallies and traffic displays and flotillæ, but everybody just forgot to vote? Same with other states. Biden did not flip Arizona, the media is both lying and ignoring Arizona state officials (who have asked that the state not be called). Nothing is over. It wasn’t over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, it was time to give Curtis LeMay a match.

  36. @profnasty
    I'm 73 years old. Do you think I give a fork if I go to prison? Hell no!!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    And here’s the thing about a Biden presidency and restarting the Obama domestic propaganda and political persecution programs: you have absolutely nothing to lose, you’re on your way anyhow.

  37. @LondonBob
    Souls to the polls, I finally get it now.

    Dead lives matters.

    Apparently Isaac Saul has debunked the dead people voting in Michigan, they check and discount any votes from dead people, no doubt quickly and efficiently. They presumably then do exhaustive investigations of why dead people are requesting absentee ballots and returning them.

    Nothing to worry about.

    Replies: @Corn

    I read Isaac Saul’s vote fraud debunking thread. It all sounded nice and convincing to a layperson but he said one thing that set red flags waving in my mind. He states that yes, people filming the count were kicked out, but that was so they couldn’t display who people voted for.

    Huh? It’s a secret ballot. Why would filming the count violate voters’ privacy?

  38. An interesting point you don’t address, Steve, is that Myers’ scheme was for primary elections. Like in many places where one party dominates, to win the primary is to essentially win the general election, but this was voter fraud in an intramural contest, deciding which Democrat gets to fill that particular position. It’s corrupt and terrible for governance. People who engage in it should be prosecuted. But since big city machines lost a lot of their power in the 1960s and 70s it’s probably a lot harder to pull off this kind of scheme in a contested two-party race.

  39. @The Alarmist
    Where is Jimmy Carter when you need him?

    https://youtu.be/wm2PhGH_zbY

    Replies: @David

    I began to wonder if the Carter Center was a scam after the first presidential election in Honduras following Mel’s ouster. Tegucigalpa, with around 25% of the Honduran population, was a ghost town on voting day. There was maybe 10% of the normal number of pedestrians and the only vehicles moving around were pickup trucks full of soldiers. All the polling places I saw were empty. Yet the vote, supposedly with over 80% turnout, was certified Free and Fair by Carter’s people.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @David

    Carter also "certified" at least one Venezuelan election.

    He's a bitter POS who has never forgiven his country for not re-electing him. I regret voting for him. The stupidity of youth is my only excuse.

  40. We rarely hear about the number of registered voters compared with ballots sent. How come?

  41. @David
    @The Alarmist

    I began to wonder if the Carter Center was a scam after the first presidential election in Honduras following Mel's ouster. Tegucigalpa, with around 25% of the Honduran population, was a ghost town on voting day. There was maybe 10% of the normal number of pedestrians and the only vehicles moving around were pickup trucks full of soldiers. All the polling places I saw were empty. Yet the vote, supposedly with over 80% turnout, was certified Free and Fair by Carter's people.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Carter also “certified” at least one Venezuelan election.

    He’s a bitter POS who has never forgiven his country for not re-electing him. I regret voting for him. The stupidity of youth is my only excuse.

  42. Team Trump is beginning a series of actions tomorrow. But the announcement came at a pretty run down place. The campaign may be hurting for money; but using this locale to energize the supporters to fight?

    Trump Team Holds News Conference Outside Drab Landscaping Firm, Next to Adult Book Store

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html

  43. @AnotherDad
    While orders of magnitude less important, the failure of the Republicans to counter the Democrats "open borders!", "elect a new people" voting shortcut has been a disaster.

    Don't have enough info on whether Trump really won, but just didn't reach the "margin of fraud" in Wisconsin and Michigan? (and maybe Georgia?, maybe Neveda?).

    But regardless, the GOP has once again--as with immigration--failed to do it's duty to protect a core possession of Americans--the right to govern ourselves.


    They've allowed the Democrats to work to make voting less secure. And they have failed to stand up to this "the more the merrier" nonsense and "voter suppression" propaganda. And fight back furiously--letting unqualified people vote, letting bogus ballots through is flat out stealing your vote. It is the actual "voter suppression".

    Don't want to even try and explicate legal possibilities here. Even what i'd do would take too long and i'm sure there's a ton of approaches i haven't even thought of.

    But some obvious stuff:
    -- no same day registration
    -- voting only with scanned ID
    -- counties must report numbers of absentee/mail-in before voting day and must report in-person numbers immediate on poll closure
    -- possibly only state offices count the votes
    -- have "use it or lose it" deadlines; counties must report by X timeline, no excuses;
    -- have counties go in population order; big counties must report first before suburban, exurban, rural
    -- have special anti-fraud monitoring of Democratic trouble spots; voting rights act has pre-clearance, states could do "preclearance" on trouble spots
    -- fingerprints (other biometrics)
    -- data system that lets people--recording a ballot number--check that their ballot was counted and correctly
    -- longer range--but not very hard--a secure on-line system where voting produces a signed ballot the citizen can check has been read properly--all the code open for all

    and critically, and something that could have been done at the national level by Trump/Republicans in 2017:

    -- severe punishment of any messing with the vote; i'd make the case for it being treason, with the penalty time and prision then revocation of citizenship and explusion; and aggressive enforcement. Would be vote fraudsters--i.e. Democrats--would live in fear and be very reluctant to try and cheat.


    Republicans need to get off their collective asses and put an end to the Democrats stealing Americans' right to govern themselves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @cliff arroyo, @Gabe Ruth

    Right, nothing fraud is stealing the result of the vote. I find the construction they use absolutely mystifying: fraudulently adding to vote totals dilutes the value of legitimate ballots? Guess the issue with counterfeiting must be its affect on the money supply.

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