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From the U.S. State Department:

Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) Notice of Funding Opportunity (NOFO): Supporting Objective Media in Hungary

November 7, 2017

This is the announcement of funding opportunity number DRLA-DRLAQM-18-032

Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance Number: 19.345

Application Deadline: January 19, 2018

For new application submission instructions, see Section D below.

A. Project Description

The U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (DRL) announces an open competition for organizations interested in submitting applications for projects that increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues in Hungary.

***

DRL’s goal is to support media outlets operating outside the capital in Hungary to produce fact-based reporting and increase their audience and economic sustainability. The program should increase citizens’ access to objective information about domestic and global issues of public importance, by enhancing local media’s ability to engage a larger audience, including their print, multimedia, and online readership. The program should improve the quality of local traditional and online media and increase the public’s access to reliable and unbiased information. Program activities could include training for journalists and editors and/or media outlets on creative applications of investigative and data journalism, data analysis, and multimedia content production for reaching a wider local audience; providing coaching, training, technical and financial assistance to media outlets; providing national and international exposure to foster local journalists’ professional development; and small grants and tools to help independent local media engage more effectively with their audiences on topics that are important to the community. Activities could also include opportunities for citizens to build their capacities as citizen journalists.

***

Projects should aim to have impact that leads to democratic reforms, and should have the potential for sustainability beyond DRL resources. DRL’s preference is to avoid duplicating past efforts by supporting new and creative approaches. This does not exclude from consideration projects that improve upon or expand existing successful projects in a new and complementary way.

To maximize the impact and sustainability of the award(s) that result(s) from this NOFO, DRL reserves the right to execute a non-competitive continuation amendment(s). The total duration of any award, including a potential non-competitive continuation amendment(s), shall not exceed 60 months or five years. Any non-competitive continuation is contingent on performance and availability of funds. A non-competitive continuation is not guaranteed; the Department of State reserves the right to exercise or not exercise the option to issue non-competitive continuation amendment(s). …

B. Federal Award Information

DRL anticipates having approximately $700,000 of FY17HRDF available to support approximately one successful application submitted in response to this NOFO, subject to the availability of funding. Applicants can submit 1 application in response to the NOFO.

Applicants should not request less than $500,000 and no more than $700,000. Applicants should include an anticipated start date between May 2018 – July 2018 and the period of performance should be between 18-24 months.

Oh, my mistake, Hungary is now Not a Democracy because, while it’s being run by the guys who won the last election, the State Department doesn’t like those guys and wants them to lose the next election. Until such time as the Wrong Guys finally lose an election, Hungary is therefore Not a Democracy.

Anyway, this single State Department contract for Hungarian media is for four or five times what Russia alleged to have spent on Facebook and Google ads, and Hungary has only 10 million people, so the U.S. is spending about 150 times more per capita to influence Hungarians than Russia has been accused of spending to influence Americans. And how many other programs the U.S. or U.S. affiliated NGOs run to influence Hungarian voters, not to mention all the other countries the U.S. mildly meddles in?

My overall take is that most of the time, this kind of thing isn’t a big deal.

 
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  1. It’s almost unbelievable what those gangsters in DC do with our money. Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @MBlanc46


    Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.
     
    You can't use this as an indicator of swamp draining. There are too many bureaucratic positions in government for any new administration to clean house in under a year. Additionally, this posting is on an obscure State Department page that even Steve just discovered by happenstance, and I bet the total funds to be dispersed are so immaterial to our $3.6 trillion budget they wouldn't even show up in a routine audit.

    Now if someone can show me that Trump is aware of such a program and doesn't order it stopped, that's a different story. But I doubt even Tillerson is aware of this. This is just the bureaucracy on autopilot.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hibernian, @EdwardM

  2. If you believe in America First (if you don’t that’s another matter) then the fact that we’re doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they’re doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether ‘it’ is in our interests. Being ‘fair’ in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side’s soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    But who is "them" and who is "us". How many Trump supporters would see the current Hungarian government as "them" and the State Department led consensus as "us", once the issues had been explained to them? In what way are the globalists on the same side as the rest of us in the West?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @bjdubbs
    @anony-mouse

    As I understand it, part of the "America First" idea is that they are 'doing it to us' because we keep meddling in their business. If Victoria Neuland weren't inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.

    Replies: @Hail, @AndrewR

    , @Hibernian
    @anony-mouse

    We're not doing it to them. Our overlords are doing it to them with our money.

    , @notanon
    @anony-mouse

    "we" "them" "us"

    , @Pericles
    @anony-mouse

    Here is a better idea: the State Department buys and runs Haaretz.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @anony-mouse

    Except it's not "America First," it's a tenuous, incorporeal set of ideals first. "Early 20th c. American Progressivism First." "Whiggism First." Nothing to do with the interests of a particular people in a particular place.

    It's imperial conceit of the worst kind: the notion that inside every diverse human being on the planet is a nice, college-educated, white-American, secular democrat just waiting to get out. And so, when the civilized people of a functioning, sovereign State on an entire other continent don't toe the line, American taxpayers just have to fund some well-connected Ivy Leaguers to go straighten things out. Maybe some drones and bombs as well to eradicate the wrongthink.

    Drain the Swamp, indeed. Burn it to the ground. Scatter the inhabitants. Plow it under. Salt the very dirt.

  3. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MBlanc46
    It’s almost unbelievable what those gangsters in DC do with our money. Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.

    You can’t use this as an indicator of swamp draining. There are too many bureaucratic positions in government for any new administration to clean house in under a year. Additionally, this posting is on an obscure State Department page that even Steve just discovered by happenstance, and I bet the total funds to be dispersed are so immaterial to our $3.6 trillion budget they wouldn’t even show up in a routine audit.

    Now if someone can show me that Trump is aware of such a program and doesn’t order it stopped, that’s a different story. But I doubt even Tillerson is aware of this. This is just the bureaucracy on autopilot.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @anonymous

    Whether there is swamp draining going on is probably best indicated by the left's braying. I haven't heard any, so I assume it's not really going on.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    , @Hibernian
    @anonymous

    A million here, a million ther; soon it adds up to real money. (H/T: the late Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Illinois)

    , @EdwardM
    @anonymous

    Tillerson may not be aware of this program, but that's what undersecretaries, assistant secretaries, deputy assistant secretaries, Schedule C aides, etc. are for. We can rightly mock the proliferation of such titles, but these are the people -- all presidential appointees -- who must be the front lines in implementing the agenda that we voted for.

    Trump has been woefully slow in appointing such people, and of course the Senate has been terrible in approving those he has appointed. Trump might think that leaving these posts vacant constitutes a form of swamp-draining, or can slow down big government, and he can't find enough people he trusts to fill these roles. Add to that that his Cabinet posts from the corporate world, such as Tillerson, Ross, Mnuchin, and DeVos, probably share his insufficient understanding of how "leadership" works in the government: the visionary CEO and his handful of front-office assistants aren't enough.

    But with the bureaucracy on auto-pilot, as you mention, having good people in these roles manning the brakes is more effective than simply hoping for stalemate.

  4. The only draining going on is the continued and relentless exsanguination of American taxpayers.

  5. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    But who is “them” and who is “us”. How many Trump supporters would see the current Hungarian government as “them” and the State Department led consensus as “us”, once the issues had been explained to them? In what way are the globalists on the same side as the rest of us in the West?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

  6. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    As I understand it, part of the “America First” idea is that they are ‘doing it to us’ because we keep meddling in their business. If Victoria Neuland weren’t inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @bjdubbs


    If Victoria Neuland weren’t inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.
     
    As far as I understand the term 'blowback,' it does not mean what you use it to mean here: Putin 'interfering' with Western politics after Western powers interfered with his (which is just classic promotion of state interests).

    Rather it means something like this:

    "Nuland and CIA promote instability in Ukraine; Ukraine's radical-nationalist Right Sector topples the pro-Moscow government; new government shifts hard to the right; Right Sector uses the coffers of new Ukraine government to fund and promote nationalist movements across the West."
    , @AndrewR
    @bjdubbs

    To a large extent, geopolitics is a zero-sum game, and all states tend to attempt to maximize their geopolitical position. So it's not really worth getting upset that Country X is manipulating Country Y's politics, and vice-versa. Of course Russia and the US, being two of the most powerful countries on earth, are going to spy on each other, probe each other's military capabilities, probe each other in cyber matters, attempt to influence public opinion in each other's countries, etc. It's understandable that the US wants to influence Russia and Ukraine, and of course Russia would be attempting to manipulate our politics no matter what policies our government had.

    But some things that are NOT acceptable include promoting the ideas that: the US doesn't meddle in other countries' affairs; Russia has no legitimate grievances against US policy; Russian interference in Muh Democracy is a just cause to risk war with Russia (as if the Deep State has ever concerned itself with the charade that is the democratic circus in the US); that Russian interference in our politics is greater than or more harmful than Israeli, Saudi or Mexican influence.

    The harm done to our society by the elites' anti-Russia hysteria is extreme and unforgiveable.

  7. The entrenched swamp going against America First and Hungary at the same time. Lose/lose at the taxpayer’s expense

  8. @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    But who is "them" and who is "us". How many Trump supporters would see the current Hungarian government as "them" and the State Department led consensus as "us", once the issues had been explained to them? In what way are the globalists on the same side as the rest of us in the West?

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as “my team.” I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don’t care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites’ view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    • Disagree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Chrisnonymous

    I'm not American (I'm Canadian) but I'll say your position on this just means giving aid to people doing harm to your country's interests. If a political faction is taking your country in the wrong direction, it's your duty to lend your support to them?

    , @Desiderius
    @Chrisnonymous


    see the State Department as “my team.”
     
    You can rest assured that they do not return the favor, and haven't for a good long while.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @Irish millennial
    @Chrisnonymous

    This is just an outsider's view - the USA might have been your team but those days are long gone and not coming back. The demographic cake is already baked and the central US government will never be able to prioritise the interests of your team/clan again whilst maintaining democracy. Any movement for a white future in the US will be in opposition to the central government beholden to a perpetual minority majority electorate. Europe has many problems but some nations like Hungry might have a future and your "team" are working to undermine that. Eventually white Americans will have to pick between team white and team America.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    , @snorlax
    @Chrisnonymous

    While it certainly ought to be "our team," the State Department hasn't been "our team" since roughly the end of the Herbert Hoover administration. (Pockets of sanity arguably remained through Nixon or so).

    , @AndrewR
    @Chrisnonymous

    Reasonable patriots do not identify with the US State Department. You may be reasonable, you may be a patriot, or you may be neither, but you are definitely not both.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  9. @anonymous
    @MBlanc46


    Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.
     
    You can't use this as an indicator of swamp draining. There are too many bureaucratic positions in government for any new administration to clean house in under a year. Additionally, this posting is on an obscure State Department page that even Steve just discovered by happenstance, and I bet the total funds to be dispersed are so immaterial to our $3.6 trillion budget they wouldn't even show up in a routine audit.

    Now if someone can show me that Trump is aware of such a program and doesn't order it stopped, that's a different story. But I doubt even Tillerson is aware of this. This is just the bureaucracy on autopilot.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hibernian, @EdwardM

    Whether there is swamp draining going on is probably best indicated by the left’s braying. I haven’t heard any, so I assume it’s not really going on.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Chrisnonymous


    Whether there is swamp draining going on is probably best indicated by the left’s braying. I haven’t heard any, so I assume it’s not really going on.
     
    Yes, ever since Trump won the election, the chastised left has been as quiet as church mice.
  10. This is very routine and the the text itself has been cut-and-pasted from previous calls for ‘proposals’.

    What it does in practise is provide funding for a well-connected Washingtonian (usually a professor, graduate students or NGO/think tank employee) to travel to Hungary – in this case outside of Budapest – meet with local journalists and invite them to come to to a conference, or to work as ‘interns’ at one of affiliated US institutions.

    Most of the money goes into airline tickets, hotels, meals, living expenses, ads and marketing. Enterprising recipients of State Dept funds also find ways to buy large quantities of friends’ books to give as ‘education material’ to some hapless provincial Hungarians. Some of that money as with all expense accounts manages to escape into personal accounts.

    It is harmless and accomplishes nothing. The local ‘journalists’ will do almost anything to get the ‘opportunity to experience Western values’, but they know the game: it is about free travel and some excitement. The problem is that cumulatively this is costing some real money.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Beckow

    Still, it seems like an opportunity for someone alt-rightish and Hungarian-speaking to submit an application in neutral bureaucratese and maybe win "not less than $500,000".

    Whatever such a winner decides to do with the money would be better than whatever was going to happen with it otherwise.

  11. I wish Putin would troll the neocons by posting something like this as an ad to work at RT or something.

    I’m guessing that George Soros is probably connected to this effort somehow.

  12. I was surprised to learn recently that residents of Budapest spend 3/4s of their income on housing. Apparently the capitalist euro countries like France and Germany took advantage of the economic disparities and drove up the price of housing in Budapest after the USSR defuncto-ed (Russian troops left in 1991).
    Also everybody likes to make a big deal about Victor Orban’s nationalism but in a lot of ways he is handicapped by economic neo colonialism in his decision making. The EU owns a lot of Hungarian industry. The EU wants Diversity and cultural destruction. No nationalism allowed. So the EU holds an economic knife to the throat of Hungary and how long can the Hungarians hold out?
    But who knows? in a country of ten million that has been conquered and reconquered every 200 years(Magyars, Huns, Ottomans, Austrians, Russians) perhaps the people would give up some economic baubles to retain their culture. I know i would.
    I say, “Take half my house and bring me back to the fifties.”
    We went there a week ago and Budapest seemed like a slightly on-its-uppers ex Imperial city, happy to be left alone w/o the burden of empire. Vienna seemed similar regarding the Empire bit but was busting out with new stuff and cars. But that is probably just me, wishing the US would give up its own Empire.

  13. @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

    I’m not American (I’m Canadian) but I’ll say your position on this just means giving aid to people doing harm to your country’s interests. If a political faction is taking your country in the wrong direction, it’s your duty to lend your support to them?

  14. Why do they hate us?

    Moral relativism is a cornerstone of US foreign policy. Our elites, since WWII, have seen our supposed superior moral reasoning and ability to cogitate about the human condition and politics in purely moral terms as being America’s principal competitive advantage and gift to the world.

    This mutated form of 19th century missionary evangelism goes almost unchallenged in the corridors of power and numerous international affairs faculties at our universities.

    An unfortunate side-effect of the ideological competition with fascism and communism has been this compulsive propensity to think of and justify our foreign affairs in “moral” terms.

    So, Voice of America and the USIS/USIA were good. Similar efforts by other countries are bad. Legitimate, democratic elections can create”good” leaders, who are to be supported or “bad” leaders who should be undermined by any means necessary.

  15. Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables: find out about these sort of grants, moneyball the perfect application package and then just take the money and never doing any of it. Kills 3 birds with one stone, money for our side, take money away from the enemy, and prevent whatever noxious program from actually being inflicted.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit covered in dollar signs who was hawking a book full of ways that YOU can get FREE MONEY from the government? I bet there’s thousands of these 500k grant contests out there that we have no idea about.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @27 year old


    Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables:
     
    I wish it were that simple, but the federal government doesn't operate that way. Trust me, I know; I'm a fed.gov employee. The job offers and funding offers are put out on a pro forma basis only. The desired candidates/recipients are handpicked by selecting committees long beforehand.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit...?
     
    That was Matthew Lesko, and he's still doing his thing.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    , @Mr. Anon
    @27 year old

    Yeah, that would be funny - take the money, and use it to arrange a public speaking tour for Ram-Z-Paul or Richard Spencer. But, as Intelligent Dasein said, with federal procurements of this kind, the fix is already in.

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Rather dry Orwellian language: “access to objective information”, “reliable and objective information”, etc. Subversion seems rather banal in these ads. Might as well drop the code and come right out with it: “Looking for native born traitors and sellouts. Attractive pay.” Gearing up for a coming ‘color revolution’ in Hungary?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @anonymous

    That's my interpretation too. The Deep State wants to replace Orban.

  17. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, MOST Americans of most racial/ethnic groups don’t care about Hungary and wouldn’t be able to spot it on the map.

    But ONE particular group is obsessed about turning Hungary into a dumping ground for Diversity.

    I wonder what that obsessive meddlesome group is?

    These Eskimos better quit it.

    • LOL: Seamus Padraig
  18. @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

    see the State Department as “my team.”

    You can rest assured that they do not return the favor, and haven’t for a good long while.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Desiderius

    Exactly. I came to the same conclusions about the US State Department, and the Washington Consensus more generally, over many years. For me and my father it was a long estrangement from the Anglo-American, Five Eyes consensus going back to the end of the Cold War. They've been going bad for a long time.

  19. @Desiderius
    @Chrisnonymous


    see the State Department as “my team.”
     
    You can rest assured that they do not return the favor, and haven't for a good long while.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Exactly. I came to the same conclusions about the US State Department, and the Washington Consensus more generally, over many years. For me and my father it was a long estrangement from the Anglo-American, Five Eyes consensus going back to the end of the Cold War. They’ve been going bad for a long time.

  20. American media seems rather obedient.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @eah

    Ds have diplomatic immunity.

    , @CCZ
    @eah

    Because 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus." But they will probably cover his "acquittal."

    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

    NEWARK Jurors deciding whether U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez accepted gifts from a wealthy Florida ophthalmologist can't agree on whether they were bribes or acts of generosity between two good friends, a juror dismissed from the case said Thursday.

    "It's a hung jury right now," Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby told the media after she was excused from the trial Thursday afternoon.

    Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby spoke to the news media after being dismissed from the jury in the corruption trial of U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez.

    In her mind, Menendez is not guilty, she said. She called the government "corrupted" and said she felt prosecutors were trying to railroad Menendez. 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus."

    She said jurors are also struggling over whether Menendez is guilty of failing to report those gifts on his annual Senate disclosure forms.

    "This is his friend and they (the government) keep saying that 'oh if I take you out to dinner and I pay for your tab isn't that a gift?' No it's not. So they got it confused. If this man wants to take him on any flight and that's his friend, why do it have to be a gift?" the juror said.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AndrewR

    , @Pericles
    @eah

    Hungary should open a news bureau in Washington to cover the cases that the US media won't.

  21. @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

    This is just an outsider’s view – the USA might have been your team but those days are long gone and not coming back. The demographic cake is already baked and the central US government will never be able to prioritise the interests of your team/clan again whilst maintaining democracy. Any movement for a white future in the US will be in opposition to the central government beholden to a perpetual minority majority electorate. Europe has many problems but some nations like Hungry might have a future and your “team” are working to undermine that. Eventually white Americans will have to pick between team white and team America.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Irish millennial

    Well stated! The last sentence is why civic nationalism just won't fly anymore.

  22. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    We’re not doing it to them. Our overlords are doing it to them with our money.

  23. @anonymous
    @MBlanc46


    Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.
     
    You can't use this as an indicator of swamp draining. There are too many bureaucratic positions in government for any new administration to clean house in under a year. Additionally, this posting is on an obscure State Department page that even Steve just discovered by happenstance, and I bet the total funds to be dispersed are so immaterial to our $3.6 trillion budget they wouldn't even show up in a routine audit.

    Now if someone can show me that Trump is aware of such a program and doesn't order it stopped, that's a different story. But I doubt even Tillerson is aware of this. This is just the bureaucracy on autopilot.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hibernian, @EdwardM

    A million here, a million ther; soon it adds up to real money. (H/T: the late Sen. Everett Dirksen, R-Illinois)

  24. The governments of the United States, the UK, and much of Europe are ignoring their citizens desires – and often their very own laws – vis-a-vis immigration, and that makes them “democracies.” The government of Hungary is doing exactly what its citizens want re: immigration, and it is therefore a tyranny.

    The establishment really isn’t trying very hard anymore to make its lies sound like the truth.

  25. “I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don’t care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.”

    Well, the rest of us do. We have no right to complain about Russian meddling while meddling in t the affairs of a liberal democracy like Hungary. None.

    FFS, Russian meddling is a rounding error. Mexico has managed to tilt our largest state permanently to the Democratic side and is attempting to do that to several more states (and will probably succeed) and we’re bitching about a little meddling by the Russkies?

  26. @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

    While it certainly ought to be “our team,” the State Department hasn’t been “our team” since roughly the end of the Herbert Hoover administration. (Pockets of sanity arguably remained through Nixon or so).

  27. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    “we” “them” “us”

  28. @eah
    American media seems rather obedient.

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/929025867426054144

    Replies: @Desiderius, @CCZ, @Pericles

    Ds have diplomatic immunity.

  29. @27 year old
    Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables: find out about these sort of grants, moneyball the perfect application package and then just take the money and never doing any of it. Kills 3 birds with one stone, money for our side, take money away from the enemy, and prevent whatever noxious program from actually being inflicted.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit covered in dollar signs who was hawking a book full of ways that YOU can get FREE MONEY from the government? I bet there's thousands of these 500k grant contests out there that we have no idea about.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Mr. Anon

    Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables:

    I wish it were that simple, but the federal government doesn’t operate that way. Trust me, I know; I’m a fed.gov employee. The job offers and funding offers are put out on a pro forma basis only. The desired candidates/recipients are handpicked by selecting committees long beforehand.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit…?

    That was Matthew Lesko, and he’s still doing his thing.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Intelligent Dasein

    That was also my experience in Washington. At anything beyond entry level jobs, the candidate had already been picked; other candidates were just wasting their time. One key was that if the time to apply was the minimum (two weeks IIRC) that was code not even to bother responding. The chance that any Alt-Right group would be competitive for this kind of grant is non-existent.

  30. Some random Russians spend $100,000 on click bait social media ads during an election and we are ready to restart the cold war. But this… this is fine.

  31. The U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor

    Disgusting. Sounds like something the Trump administration should dismantle.

  32. @bjdubbs
    @anony-mouse

    As I understand it, part of the "America First" idea is that they are 'doing it to us' because we keep meddling in their business. If Victoria Neuland weren't inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.

    Replies: @Hail, @AndrewR

    If Victoria Neuland weren’t inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.

    As far as I understand the term ‘blowback,’ it does not mean what you use it to mean here: Putin ‘interfering’ with Western politics after Western powers interfered with his (which is just classic promotion of state interests).

    Rather it means something like this:

    “Nuland and CIA promote instability in Ukraine; Ukraine’s radical-nationalist Right Sector topples the pro-Moscow government; new government shifts hard to the right; Right Sector uses the coffers of new Ukraine government to fund and promote nationalist movements across the West.”

  33. @eah
    American media seems rather obedient.

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/929025867426054144

    Replies: @Desiderius, @CCZ, @Pericles

    Because ‘They’re just trying to throw a good man under the bus.” But they will probably cover his “acquittal.”

    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

    NEWARK Jurors deciding whether U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez accepted gifts from a wealthy Florida ophthalmologist can’t agree on whether they were bribes or acts of generosity between two good friends, a juror dismissed from the case said Thursday.

    “It’s a hung jury right now,” Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby told the media after she was excused from the trial Thursday afternoon.

    Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby spoke to the news media after being dismissed from the jury in the corruption trial of U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez.

    In her mind, Menendez is not guilty, she said. She called the government “corrupted” and said she felt prosecutors were trying to railroad Menendez. ‘They’re just trying to throw a good man under the bus.”

    She said jurors are also struggling over whether Menendez is guilty of failing to report those gifts on his annual Senate disclosure forms.

    “This is his friend and they (the government) keep saying that ‘oh if I take you out to dinner and I pay for your tab isn’t that a gift?’ No it’s not. So they got it confused. If this man wants to take him on any flight and that’s his friend, why do it have to be a gift?” the juror said.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @CCZ

    The mangled English, mangled logic and mangled law are a good preview of the coming hemishpere-wide Latin America that the globalists are ushering in.

    , @AndrewR
    @CCZ

    While I follow the news much more closely than most people, the Menendez stuff has been entirely off my radar due to the media blackout that eah has alluded to. I googled it out of curiosity and saw this in an article:


    Walls has instructed all of the jurors to avoid news coverage of the proceedings during their service on the panel.
     
    This is indeed a strange thing to instruct in this case, given that there apparently is no coverage from the MSM. CNN would rather just feature posts from their flamboyant homosexual blogger Chris "Clits are Gross" Cillizza
  34. @Beckow
    This is very routine and the the text itself has been cut-and-pasted from previous calls for 'proposals'.

    What it does in practise is provide funding for a well-connected Washingtonian (usually a professor, graduate students or NGO/think tank employee) to travel to Hungary - in this case outside of Budapest - meet with local journalists and invite them to come to to a conference, or to work as 'interns' at one of affiliated US institutions.

    Most of the money goes into airline tickets, hotels, meals, living expenses, ads and marketing. Enterprising recipients of State Dept funds also find ways to buy large quantities of friends' books to give as 'education material' to some hapless provincial Hungarians. Some of that money as with all expense accounts manages to escape into personal accounts.

    It is harmless and accomplishes nothing. The local 'journalists' will do almost anything to get the 'opportunity to experience Western values', but they know the game: it is about free travel and some excitement. The problem is that cumulatively this is costing some real money.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Still, it seems like an opportunity for someone alt-rightish and Hungarian-speaking to submit an application in neutral bureaucratese and maybe win “not less than $500,000”.

    Whatever such a winner decides to do with the money would be better than whatever was going to happen with it otherwise.

  35. @CCZ
    @eah

    Because 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus." But they will probably cover his "acquittal."

    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

    NEWARK Jurors deciding whether U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez accepted gifts from a wealthy Florida ophthalmologist can't agree on whether they were bribes or acts of generosity between two good friends, a juror dismissed from the case said Thursday.

    "It's a hung jury right now," Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby told the media after she was excused from the trial Thursday afternoon.

    Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby spoke to the news media after being dismissed from the jury in the corruption trial of U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez.

    In her mind, Menendez is not guilty, she said. She called the government "corrupted" and said she felt prosecutors were trying to railroad Menendez. 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus."

    She said jurors are also struggling over whether Menendez is guilty of failing to report those gifts on his annual Senate disclosure forms.

    "This is his friend and they (the government) keep saying that 'oh if I take you out to dinner and I pay for your tab isn't that a gift?' No it's not. So they got it confused. If this man wants to take him on any flight and that's his friend, why do it have to be a gift?" the juror said.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AndrewR

    The mangled English, mangled logic and mangled law are a good preview of the coming hemishpere-wide Latin America that the globalists are ushering in.

    • Agree: snorlax
  36. @anonymous
    Rather dry Orwellian language: "access to objective information", "reliable and objective information", etc. Subversion seems rather banal in these ads. Might as well drop the code and come right out with it: "Looking for native born traitors and sellouts. Attractive pay." Gearing up for a coming 'color revolution' in Hungary?

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    That’s my interpretation too. The Deep State wants to replace Orban.

  37. @Irish millennial
    @Chrisnonymous

    This is just an outsider's view - the USA might have been your team but those days are long gone and not coming back. The demographic cake is already baked and the central US government will never be able to prioritise the interests of your team/clan again whilst maintaining democracy. Any movement for a white future in the US will be in opposition to the central government beholden to a perpetual minority majority electorate. Europe has many problems but some nations like Hungry might have a future and your "team" are working to undermine that. Eventually white Americans will have to pick between team white and team America.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Well stated! The last sentence is why civic nationalism just won’t fly anymore.

  38. @Intelligent Dasein
    @27 year old


    Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables:
     
    I wish it were that simple, but the federal government doesn't operate that way. Trust me, I know; I'm a fed.gov employee. The job offers and funding offers are put out on a pro forma basis only. The desired candidates/recipients are handpicked by selecting committees long beforehand.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit...?
     
    That was Matthew Lesko, and he's still doing his thing.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    That was also my experience in Washington. At anything beyond entry level jobs, the candidate had already been picked; other candidates were just wasting their time. One key was that if the time to apply was the minimum (two weeks IIRC) that was code not even to bother responding. The chance that any Alt-Right group would be competitive for this kind of grant is non-existent.

  39. @27 year old
    Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables: find out about these sort of grants, moneyball the perfect application package and then just take the money and never doing any of it. Kills 3 birds with one stone, money for our side, take money away from the enemy, and prevent whatever noxious program from actually being inflicted.

    Anybody remember those ads with that guy in the suit covered in dollar signs who was hawking a book full of ways that YOU can get FREE MONEY from the government? I bet there's thousands of these 500k grant contests out there that we have no idea about.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Mr. Anon

    Yeah, that would be funny – take the money, and use it to arrange a public speaking tour for Ram-Z-Paul or Richard Spencer. But, as Intelligent Dasein said, with federal procurements of this kind, the fix is already in.

  40. My overall take is that most of the time, this kind of thing isn’t a big deal.

    Good point. The Hungarians can handle it too. They like Orban, and they have demonstrated time and again that they think for themselves.

    Even during communism, Hungarian television had more to offer than the networks of neighboring dictatorships. Romanians near the border (who were Hungarians before WWI) got more news and entertainment by tuning into Hungarian TV, even though that was an illegal act under Ceauşescu, (who was essentially all they were shown all the time on Romanian TV).

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yugoslav programming was better. And I object to the Romanians near the border being Hungarians - they were citizens of Austro-Hungary like X other ethnic groups, and only a minority were ethnic Hungarians. Precision in language matters.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  41. @bjdubbs
    @anony-mouse

    As I understand it, part of the "America First" idea is that they are 'doing it to us' because we keep meddling in their business. If Victoria Neuland weren't inserting herself into Ukrainian politics, maybe Putin would leave us alone. That may be unrealistic but in general, blowback is real.

    Replies: @Hail, @AndrewR

    To a large extent, geopolitics is a zero-sum game, and all states tend to attempt to maximize their geopolitical position. So it’s not really worth getting upset that Country X is manipulating Country Y’s politics, and vice-versa. Of course Russia and the US, being two of the most powerful countries on earth, are going to spy on each other, probe each other’s military capabilities, probe each other in cyber matters, attempt to influence public opinion in each other’s countries, etc. It’s understandable that the US wants to influence Russia and Ukraine, and of course Russia would be attempting to manipulate our politics no matter what policies our government had.

    But some things that are NOT acceptable include promoting the ideas that: the US doesn’t meddle in other countries’ affairs; Russia has no legitimate grievances against US policy; Russian interference in Muh Democracy is a just cause to risk war with Russia (as if the Deep State has ever concerned itself with the charade that is the democratic circus in the US); that Russian interference in our politics is greater than or more harmful than Israeli, Saudi or Mexican influence.

    The harm done to our society by the elites’ anti-Russia hysteria is extreme and unforgiveable.

  42. @Chrisnonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    I, for one, agree with anony-mouse but also see the State Department as "my team." I am a US citizen, born and raised there after generations of my family were also, and other people in the same situation are my compatriots. I am not a member of an international movement or a follower of an ideology.

    I disagree with the elites in my country, but they are still in my country.

    I disagree with what the elites are doing to Hungary, but I don't care a smidgeon about the asymmetry of manipulating them while complaining about Russia.

    I disagree with the elites' view of what happened in the last election, but in principle I would rather not have foreign powers influencing US elections.

    I think I am a reasonable patriot.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Desiderius, @Irish millennial, @snorlax, @AndrewR

    Reasonable patriots do not identify with the US State Department. You may be reasonable, you may be a patriot, or you may be neither, but you are definitely not both.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @AndrewR

    Do you carry a US passport when you travel? If something happens, will you call on the State Department employees in that country and rely on what you share with them to prevail upon them to help you?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  43. @CCZ
    @eah

    Because 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus." But they will probably cover his "acquittal."

    NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

    NEWARK Jurors deciding whether U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez accepted gifts from a wealthy Florida ophthalmologist can't agree on whether they were bribes or acts of generosity between two good friends, a juror dismissed from the case said Thursday.

    "It's a hung jury right now," Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby told the media after she was excused from the trial Thursday afternoon.

    Evelyn Arroyo-Maultsby spoke to the news media after being dismissed from the jury in the corruption trial of U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez.

    In her mind, Menendez is not guilty, she said. She called the government "corrupted" and said she felt prosecutors were trying to railroad Menendez. 'They're just trying to throw a good man under the bus."

    She said jurors are also struggling over whether Menendez is guilty of failing to report those gifts on his annual Senate disclosure forms.

    "This is his friend and they (the government) keep saying that 'oh if I take you out to dinner and I pay for your tab isn't that a gift?' No it's not. So they got it confused. If this man wants to take him on any flight and that's his friend, why do it have to be a gift?" the juror said.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AndrewR

    While I follow the news much more closely than most people, the Menendez stuff has been entirely off my radar due to the media blackout that eah has alluded to. I googled it out of curiosity and saw this in an article:

    Walls has instructed all of the jurors to avoid news coverage of the proceedings during their service on the panel.

    This is indeed a strange thing to instruct in this case, given that there apparently is no coverage from the MSM. CNN would rather just feature posts from their flamboyant homosexual blogger Chris “Clits are Gross” Cillizza

  44. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Here is a better idea: the State Department buys and runs Haaretz.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Pericles

    For additional laughs, Forverts.

  45. @eah
    American media seems rather obedient.

    https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/929025867426054144

    Replies: @Desiderius, @CCZ, @Pericles

    Hungary should open a news bureau in Washington to cover the cases that the US media won’t.

  46. So I guess Poland, Slovakia, uh, Czechia …? should be looking through the State Department ads now to see what’s going on. Add Austria for good measure.

    If it’s one thing we know about US policy, it’s that muslim migration to Europe must not be stopped!

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Pericles

    Problem is the US is now a Trotskyite ideological empire, they aren't meddling so much to benefit the US national interest but to actively transform that country's values etc.

  47. @Pericles
    @anony-mouse

    Here is a better idea: the State Department buys and runs Haaretz.

    Replies: @Olorin

    For additional laughs, Forverts.

  48. @Pericles
    So I guess Poland, Slovakia, uh, Czechia ...? should be looking through the State Department ads now to see what's going on. Add Austria for good measure.

    If it's one thing we know about US policy, it's that muslim migration to Europe must not be stopped!

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Problem is the US is now a Trotskyite ideological empire, they aren’t meddling so much to benefit the US national interest but to actively transform that country’s values etc.

    • LOL: Seamus Padraig
  49. @anonymous
    @MBlanc46


    Not much swamp draining going on, apparently.
     
    You can't use this as an indicator of swamp draining. There are too many bureaucratic positions in government for any new administration to clean house in under a year. Additionally, this posting is on an obscure State Department page that even Steve just discovered by happenstance, and I bet the total funds to be dispersed are so immaterial to our $3.6 trillion budget they wouldn't even show up in a routine audit.

    Now if someone can show me that Trump is aware of such a program and doesn't order it stopped, that's a different story. But I doubt even Tillerson is aware of this. This is just the bureaucracy on autopilot.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Hibernian, @EdwardM

    Tillerson may not be aware of this program, but that’s what undersecretaries, assistant secretaries, deputy assistant secretaries, Schedule C aides, etc. are for. We can rightly mock the proliferation of such titles, but these are the people — all presidential appointees — who must be the front lines in implementing the agenda that we voted for.

    Trump has been woefully slow in appointing such people, and of course the Senate has been terrible in approving those he has appointed. Trump might think that leaving these posts vacant constitutes a form of swamp-draining, or can slow down big government, and he can’t find enough people he trusts to fill these roles. Add to that that his Cabinet posts from the corporate world, such as Tillerson, Ross, Mnuchin, and DeVos, probably share his insufficient understanding of how “leadership” works in the government: the visionary CEO and his handful of front-office assistants aren’t enough.

    But with the bureaucracy on auto-pilot, as you mention, having good people in these roles manning the brakes is more effective than simply hoping for stalemate.

  50. @anony-mouse
    If you believe in America First (if you don't that's another matter) then the fact that we're doing it to them is irrelevant as to whether you accept that they're doing it to us.

    All that matters is whether 'it' is in our interests. Being 'fair' in not paramount.

    For example in a war you kill the other side's soldiers while working to prevent them from killing your own. Which in not being fair.

    Note: I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with America First. But I gather most people here do agree-or say they do.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bjdubbs, @Hibernian, @notanon, @Pericles, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Except it’s not “America First,” it’s a tenuous, incorporeal set of ideals first. “Early 20th c. American Progressivism First.” “Whiggism First.” Nothing to do with the interests of a particular people in a particular place.

    It’s imperial conceit of the worst kind: the notion that inside every diverse human being on the planet is a nice, college-educated, white-American, secular democrat just waiting to get out. And so, when the civilized people of a functioning, sovereign State on an entire other continent don’t toe the line, American taxpayers just have to fund some well-connected Ivy Leaguers to go straighten things out. Maybe some drones and bombs as well to eradicate the wrongthink.

    Drain the Swamp, indeed. Burn it to the ground. Scatter the inhabitants. Plow it under. Salt the very dirt.

  51. What is it that the System finds objectionable in Hungary? It can’t be a lack of democracy since we ourselves don’t have a democratic press, nor does any country in Western Europe, and that very System is trying to engineer a bloodless coup against the results of the last Presidential election e’en as we speak. It is that Hungary is resisting flooding their homeland with foreigners. The U.S. government is to white people world-wide what the government of Nazi Germany was to Jews and Poles in the early ’40s. Instead of Zyklon B they have mass migration. Different target, different methods, same hate. The failure to confront the government and those who control it as white-hating racists is the reason why conservatism and the right have failed. Like trying to rally resistance to those early ’40s Nazis by emphasizing criticism of . . . their farm policies! The U.S policy toward Hungary isn’t bad because it is merely anti-democratic, it’s bad because it is consciously genocidal. There are plenty of states around the world that don’t get this sort of attention from Washington, because they’re not white.

  52. Seems like there could be a cottage industry here for deplorables

    After the flapdoodle over Papa John’s Pizza I would suggest forming and alt/right organization and threatening to endorse company’s products if they don’t pay up. Pepsi, refreshingly fash.

  53. @Chrisnonymous
    @anonymous

    Whether there is swamp draining going on is probably best indicated by the left's braying. I haven't heard any, so I assume it's not really going on.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Whether there is swamp draining going on is probably best indicated by the left’s braying. I haven’t heard any, so I assume it’s not really going on.

    Yes, ever since Trump won the election, the chastised left has been as quiet as church mice.

  54. @Buzz Mohawk

    My overall take is that most of the time, this kind of thing isn’t a big deal.
     
    Good point. The Hungarians can handle it too. They like Orban, and they have demonstrated time and again that they think for themselves.

    Even during communism, Hungarian television had more to offer than the networks of neighboring dictatorships. Romanians near the border (who were Hungarians before WWI) got more news and entertainment by tuning into Hungarian TV, even though that was an illegal act under Ceauşescu, (who was essentially all they were shown all the time on Romanian TV).

    Replies: @Romanian

    Yugoslav programming was better. And I object to the Romanians near the border being Hungarians – they were citizens of Austro-Hungary like X other ethnic groups, and only a minority were ethnic Hungarians. Precision in language matters.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Romanian

    Buna Seara.

    That depends on who you ask and whether or not those old cities look originally Hungarian or Romanian to you.

    I can see that European Man will never unite to save himself. He is too busy arguing over who owns each square centimeter of each block of each street. He is doomed because he cannot see himself as a race and therefore cannot compete against the now rapidly growing competition.

    I say this, in all kindness and humility, as an American who until recently was blissfully free of this bullshit. My American future will look quite the same as eternally fragmented Europe.

    Of course, we all understand this here. I wish you well, and I am sorry if I offended you.

    La revedere.

  55. Outrageous! But I’m not surprised. Is anyone else thinking that when the Democrats finally gain hegemony over the entire USA even as the White population sinks, they will still continue to push diversity/multiculturalism on homogenous European nations!?

    This is a perfect way to push Christian Eastern Europe into the arms of the Russians or perhaps the Chinese?

    Scandalous!

  56. @AndrewR
    @Chrisnonymous

    Reasonable patriots do not identify with the US State Department. You may be reasonable, you may be a patriot, or you may be neither, but you are definitely not both.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Do you carry a US passport when you travel? If something happens, will you call on the State Department employees in that country and rely on what you share with them to prevail upon them to help you?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Chrisnonymous

    To your first question: of course, but how is this relevant?

    To your second: what do you mean? If I lost my passport while overseas, of course I would visit the US embassy/consulate. If I were arrested overseas, I doubt the State Department could or would do much for me. I would be unlikely to visit a country with a legal system more corrupt than ours (admittedly, a high bar)

  57. @Romanian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yugoslav programming was better. And I object to the Romanians near the border being Hungarians - they were citizens of Austro-Hungary like X other ethnic groups, and only a minority were ethnic Hungarians. Precision in language matters.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Buna Seara.

    That depends on who you ask and whether or not those old cities look originally Hungarian or Romanian to you.

    I can see that European Man will never unite to save himself. He is too busy arguing over who owns each square centimeter of each block of each street. He is doomed because he cannot see himself as a race and therefore cannot compete against the now rapidly growing competition.

    I say this, in all kindness and humility, as an American who until recently was blissfully free of this bullshit. My American future will look quite the same as eternally fragmented Europe.

    Of course, we all understand this here. I wish you well, and I am sorry if I offended you.

    La revedere.

  58. And only projects in the interest of master manipulator Soros and Deep Oligarch State and Sweet Society CFR Trilaterals Club need apply.

    America First and America-neutral projects promoting democracy will be slow walked to oblivion.

  59. @Chrisnonymous
    @AndrewR

    Do you carry a US passport when you travel? If something happens, will you call on the State Department employees in that country and rely on what you share with them to prevail upon them to help you?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    To your first question: of course, but how is this relevant?

    To your second: what do you mean? If I lost my passport while overseas, of course I would visit the US embassy/consulate. If I were arrested overseas, I doubt the State Department could or would do much for me. I would be unlikely to visit a country with a legal system more corrupt than ours (admittedly, a high bar)

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