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From the Washington Post’s news section:

Investigations
The rise of domestic extremism in America

Data shows a surge in homegrown incidents not seen in a quarter-century
By Robert O’Harrow Jr., Andrew Ba Tran and Derek Hawkins
April 12, 2021

Domestic terrorism incidents have soared to new highs in the United States, driven chiefly by white-supremacist, anti-Muslim and anti-government extremists on the far right, according to a Washington Post analysis of data compiled by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Everybody who spent 2020 in a coma at the bottom of a salt mine would have to agree.

The surge reflects a growing threat from homegrown terrorism not seen in a quarter-century, with right-wing extremist attacks and plots greatly eclipsing those from the far left and causing more deaths, the analysis shows.

The number of all domestic terrorism incidents in the data peaked in 2020.

Who can forget all the right-wing extremist domestic terrorism incidents of 2020, such as, well, you know …

Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.

Later on they’ll admit the extremely contrived way they exclude BLM and Antifa violence.

… More than a quarter of right-wing incidents and just under half of the deaths in those incidents were caused by people who showed support for white supremacy or claimed to belong to groups espousing that ideology, the analysis shows.

Victims of all incidents in recent years represent a broad cross-section of American society, including Blacks, Jews, immigrants, LGBTQ individuals, Asians and other people of color who have been attacked by right-wing extremists wielding vehicles, guns, knives and fists.

Dozens of religious institutions — including mosques, synagogues and Black churches — as well as abortion clinics and government buildings, have been threatened, burned, bombed and hit with gunfire over the past six years. …

Both far-left and far-right attacks hit groundbreaking levels in 2020, the database shows, with far-right incidents still the much larger group.

The 73 far-right incidents were an all-time annual high in the CSIS database, which goes back to 1994.

And now they are going to list a whole bunch of notorious examples of far-right incidents in 2020.

Left-wing attacks reached 25 in 2020.

Oh, well, those incidents are so well-known, that they don’t actually have to list any. The numbers speak for themselves!

Those incidents include multiple attempts by extremists to derail trains to hinder oil pipeline construction and at least seven incidents in which police and their facilities were targeted with guns, firebombs and graffiti. The incidents included the burning of a Minneapolis police precinct during protests over the death of George Floyd.

But not the hundreds of fires set by Antifa in Portland? Not the CHAZ in Seattle? Not the assault on the White House and arson of the nearby church?

In August, a supporter of President Donald Trump was shot dead in Portland, Ore., by a suspected gunman who was a self-described antifa supporter. That killing was the only death last year attributed to far-left violence, the data shows. There were two deaths attributed to far-right attacks.

The many deaths caused by BLM (e.g., David Dorn) aren’t due to far-left extremism because BLM is moderate common-sense that everybody should bow down to.

… The Post focused its analysis primarily on far-right attacks since 2015 because they account for a clear majority of the rising domestic terrorism events and fatalities charted by the CSIS.

In other words, we focused on finding what we already had decided to find.

The far-right incidents last year broke into distinct waves emerging amid government shutdowns in the spring, widespread racial demonstrations in the summer and confrontations over the presidential election results in the late fall, The Post’s review of the CSIS data shows.

Who can forget when the Proud Boys looted all those stores last summer?

The CSIS database is one of the best public sources of information about domestic terrorism incidents, which the group’s analysts define as attacks or plots involving a deliberate use or threat of violence to achieve political goals, create a broad psychological impact or change government policy. That definition excludes many violent events, including incidents during nationwide unrest last year, because CSIS analysts could not determine whether attackers had a political or ideological motive.

Let’s repeat that last sentence: “That definition excludes many violent events, including incidents during nationwide unrest last year, because CSIS analysts could not determine whether attackers had a political or ideological motive.”

All those Antifa rioters with hammer & sickle and A for Anarchy symbols — who could possibly tell whether they had a political or ideological motive? And all the Black Lives Matter rioters — that’s not politics, that’s goodness. You must be a person of badness to even conceive of such a question.

One of the prevailing theories among far-right conservatives is about a “Great Replacement,” the belief that the White race is being replaced by people of color, according to a nationally representative survey of 1,000 American adults last month by the Chicago Project on Security and Threats at the University of Chicago.

The Post’s review of the database found 30 attacks or plots attributed to right-wing violence against Black Lives Matter since 2015, a large majority of them last year.

In contrast, everybody in 2020 who shouted “Black Lives Matter” was an utter saint.

Perpetrators beat BLM activists in the streets and attacked them with mace, knives, guns or explosives, records show. Right-wing extremists used their vehicles as weapons against activists, plowing into crowds of racial justice demonstrators on at least nine occasions over the past six years, according to The Post’s analysis.

Businesses affiliated with racial justice protests were vandalized and torched, among them a Black-owned coffee shop in Shoreline, Wash. It was pelted with molotov cocktails after midnight on Sept. 30 last year.

Whereas racial justice protesters were perfect gentlepersons around shops.

 

 
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  1. Bottom of a salt mine?, in a coma?…..hey, that doesn’t sound too bad.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @tyrone

    I have come to believe that grief is really just envy for the dead and sadness that one is not as fortunate as the deceased. Dead people have no bad days. They can't be harmed. They can't be exploited. Well, their names can be exploited (i.e. Sts. George and Daunte of Minneapolis) but they can't.

    , @Danindc
    @tyrone

    Lol. So good.

  2. And of course every right-wing extremist plot was a 100% real threat, just like every hate crime turns out to be true. We would never be lied to by our intelligence community, because after the post-9/11 Iraqi WMD fiasco, they learned their lesson.

    Yes, they sure learned their lesson.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe, ic1000
    • LOL: Forbes
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Lockean Proviso

    No wonder so many Arabs are all about the Flight from White. Imagine going years after 9/11 being feared and hated then also being caught up in the anti-white crusade of the 2020s. Reminds me of the dude who was in Hiroshima when it got nuked then was unfortunate enough to be in Nagasaki three days later

  3. All those Antifa rioters with hammer & sickle and A for Anarchy symbols — who could possibly tell whether they had a political or ideological motive?

    orcs don’t have politics or ideology steve.

    the ideology and politics of sauron is globohomogayplexism not bolshevism or anarchism.

    those symbols are as fake as pro-wrestling.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @zamfir

    I like to think if Stalin had had a crystal ball showing him what the "left" would be like in 2021, he would have surrendered unconditionally to Germany.

    , @Patrick Boyle
    @zamfir

    Pro wrestling is fake? I hadn't heard.

  4. Those incidents include multiple attempts by extremists to derail trains to hinder oil pipeline construction…and graffiti.

    Graffiti! The dozens of people killed and billions in damage caused by FloydFest didn’t even happen, unless perhaps you’re racist. You’re not racist are you? And yeah, right wingers hate big business.

    But graffiti! And the Great Train Robbery. I think that was last year. And the motives for that are hardly unclear. Yep! White Supremacist Racism!

    …………………

    The Washington Post has seen how the New York Times has commandeered the “truth” and run away with it in recent years. The Post doesn’t want to be left behind. They’re #2 so they’ll try harder.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Polistra

    Those are the left wing attacks they concede.

    , @vhrm
    @Polistra

    That's one of the maddening things about all these "hate crime" noise. Anything from a mass shooting in a church to some guy looked at me funny on the subway is equally considered a hate crime and of course it's all totally subjective.

    It's like unironically saying "In 2019 over 50 million Americans were murdered, raped, eaten by sharks or had a cold" as if that communicates anything worthwhile.

    Same with the good old "rape, sexual assault or harassment" category (or similar) which also obscures information in the same way by using "rape" as he scare word where the vast majority of the actual numbers in the combined category are from the "harassment" where it's someone getting their butt grabbed at a party or having "unwanted attention" from a guy who's been deemed "icky". Not that these things don't happen but they happen at rates that are orders of magnitude different from each other and combining them together into one number is basically invalid and misleading.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  5. From a quick look at Wikipedia on the CIS we can conclude that the CIS is a think tank that serves the interests of CORPORATE POWER. And what does CORPORATE POWER want? Answer:The demographic elimination of The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority…In other words, the CIS is onboard with the Great Replacement…and that’s:‘WHITE GENOCIDE. And this makes the CIS a major Terrorist Organization in the service of Corporate Power.

  6. Men are women, chocolate rations have increased, blm is peaceful, we’ve always been at war with eastasia, there was no election fraud, 2+2=5, children need to be vaccinated with experimental stuff for covid 192021…

    • LOL: AndrewR
  7. Sometimes statistics are good.

    Sometimes they are bad.

    Depends on whether they support your side or not.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @obwandiyag

    Spoken like a true African.

    , @Forbes
    @obwandiyag

    Liars lie--statistics are just numbers.

  8. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    White men: this nation’s CIA mouthpiece (WaPo) hates and defames you.

    Dont respond by proving your patriotism by signing up for its military. Leave the military. Prepare to locate your family to another country on this planet. They aren’t going to let you leave in a few more years. We are the Soviet Union 2.0 now.

  9. “That definition excludes many violent events, including incidents during nationwide unrest last year, because CSIS analysts could not determine whether attackers had a political or ideological motive.”

    To be fair, the Blacks burning down their own neighborhoods probably weren’t motivated by much more than free sneakers and weaves. Our benevolent journalist friends over at the New York Times kind of assert without evidence that their motivations were grander.

  10. @obwandiyag
    Sometimes statistics are good.

    Sometimes they are bad.

    Depends on whether they support your side or not.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Forbes

    Spoken like a true African.

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
  11. You would think in a sane world that this kind of study would have a long list of alleged “right wing violence” with dates, locations, kind of violence, victims, perps (arrested of course), and actual evidence of hate or right wing motive. And related criminal charges and convictions.

    Ditto for left wing stuff.

    Without the details this is mere “trust us” junk.

    Also, one might suspect that in every single case where a victim is non white (or perhaps some are), it is classified as a right wing hate crime. Yet one also suspects that in every similar case where said victims were white (or mainly whites) and the perp(s) were not white, that not all or almost none, were included as ‘non white’ violence.

    So the former NFL running back who murdered 6 people including children, women and elderly people, that’s mere ordinary crime. Not hate filled anti white racism (or did the stories all omit the races of the perp and victims?) Just life in dangerous rural South Carolina.

    As iSteve notes, hundreds of violent protests by BLM/antifa thugs were somehow ignored. I guess “mostly peaceful” rioting, beatings, killings, lootings and burnings were just not easy to classify.

    Interesting to compare/contrast the results of Portland/Seattle/Minneapolis/ etc. weeks and months long riots, etc. to the peaceful Jan. 6 march on the Capitol, where one peaceful demonstrator was shot in the face by a yet unnamed government cop. No charges, just secrecy.

    In the the former instances, almost zero jailed, no one killed by cops. In the latter, most participants have been tracked down by the FBI and are jailed w/o bail or charges, months later.

    You have to start to wonder…?

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Muggles


    "No charges, just secrecy."
     
    And there will be NO CHARGES!!

    "The U.S. Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot will not face criminal charges, the Justice Department said Wednesday."

    "Federal prosecutors determined there was insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution against the officer."

  12. Given the new idea that violence by blacks and Asians is really proxy violence on behalf of whites who puppetmaster them via hegemonic patriarchical white supremacy, there are no limits to how high right-wing violence could climb.

  13. @Polistra



    Those incidents include multiple attempts by extremists to derail trains to hinder oil pipeline construction...and graffiti.
     
    Graffiti! The dozens of people killed and billions in damage caused by FloydFest didn't even happen, unless perhaps you're racist. You're not racist are you? And yeah, right wingers hate big business.

    But graffiti! And the Great Train Robbery. I think that was last year. And the motives for that are hardly unclear. Yep! White Supremacist Racism!

    .....................

    The Washington Post has seen how the New York Times has commandeered the "truth" and run away with it in recent years. The Post doesn't want to be left behind. They're #2 so they'll try harder.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @vhrm

    Those are the left wing attacks they concede.

  14. Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.

    91 entire “right wing” homicides since 2015. That’s a whole stinking lot compared to

    Murders in the US by year:

    2015: 15,883
    2016: 17,413
    2017: 17,294
    2018: 16,374
    2019: 16,425
    2020: 20,000-ish

    Or 103,000 murders over those six years – less than 0.1% of them attributable to “right wing” violence, in a country that is about half Republican and 60-70% white.

    Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism since 2015:

    Chattanooga: 5 dead
    San Bernardino: 14 dead
    Orlando: 49 dead
    NYC Truck: 8 dead
    NAS Pensacola: 3 dead
    Boulder: 10 dead

    So 89 dead in the same time frame from Islamic terrorism, from a potential terrorist pool much, much smaller than the potential pool of “far right white nationalists.”

    That means that, per capita, Muslims engage in about 50-70 as much political violence as white people.

    And of course if you look at overall murders, over half of them are committed by blacks, a population that votes for Democrats about 90% of the time. Blacks are about eight times more likely than whites to commit murder. when you thrown in murders by other Democratic-leaning minority groups, about 75% of the murders in this country are committed by Dem-leaning populations.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Wilkey

    Boulder isn’t “Islamic terrorism”. It’s a nut with a gun, like Atlanta.

    Replies: @anonymous

  15. @Polistra



    Those incidents include multiple attempts by extremists to derail trains to hinder oil pipeline construction...and graffiti.
     
    Graffiti! The dozens of people killed and billions in damage caused by FloydFest didn't even happen, unless perhaps you're racist. You're not racist are you? And yeah, right wingers hate big business.

    But graffiti! And the Great Train Robbery. I think that was last year. And the motives for that are hardly unclear. Yep! White Supremacist Racism!

    .....................

    The Washington Post has seen how the New York Times has commandeered the "truth" and run away with it in recent years. The Post doesn't want to be left behind. They're #2 so they'll try harder.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @vhrm

    That’s one of the maddening things about all these “hate crime” noise. Anything from a mass shooting in a church to some guy looked at me funny on the subway is equally considered a hate crime and of course it’s all totally subjective.

    It’s like unironically saying “In 2019 over 50 million Americans were murdered, raped, eaten by sharks or had a cold” as if that communicates anything worthwhile.

    Same with the good old “rape, sexual assault or harassment” category (or similar) which also obscures information in the same way by using “rape” as he scare word where the vast majority of the actual numbers in the combined category are from the “harassment” where it’s someone getting their butt grabbed at a party or having “unwanted attention” from a guy who’s been deemed “icky”. Not that these things don’t happen but they happen at rates that are orders of magnitude different from each other and combining them together into one number is basically invalid and misleading.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @vhrm

    Yes, this technique ("bloat & blast"?) is behind an awful lot of the "statistics" the leftmedia promote.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-black-lives-matter-protests-have-killed-an-order-of-magn/#comment-4584392

  16. Left-wing attacks reached 25 in 2020.

    Oh, well, those incidents are so well-known, that they don’t actually have to list any. The numbers speak for themselves!

    They count the multi-city riots as a single incident.

    Victims of all incidents in recent years represent a broad cross-section of American society, including Blacks, Jews, immigrants, LGBTQ individuals, Asians and other people of color who have been attacked by right-wing extremists wielding vehicles, guns, knives and fists.

    This could be used, cynically, by any neighborhood or municipality that went for Trump in November, to discourage these folks from moving in. “Don’t come to Green Bay! The county went ‘red’! You put yourself in jeopardy, with mad militiamen hiding behind every tree!”

    Then exaggerate the crime rate, failing to distinguish traffic violations and quality-of-life misdemeanors from rapes and murders. Make every rape sound white-on-black, even if they’re all black-on-white.

    Finish by saying you’re the most dangerous town in America, worse than Baltimore. “The Washington Post said so!”

    Hell, if they’re going to call us racist 24/7, we might as well get some traction out of it.

  17. I think the key is how they define “far left”.

    Looters wouldn’t be far left. They’re just thieves.

    BLM isn’t far left. They’re actually pretty mainstream. Corporations support them.

    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore), and radical anarchists, like committed Antifa cadres (rather than just fellow travelers).

    So, if they define far-left narrowly enough, and they define far-right broadly enough (eg, anyone to the right of Mike Pence), the report is plausible.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Not Raul

    BLM is communist. If you do an internet search you will find the Marxist statements they used to have on their website which they removed one by one last year when they didn't want to jeopardise the surge in public support they received post-Floyd. They kept the 'collective raising of children' statement the longest but that's now gone too.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Not Raul


    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore)
     
    It's hard to get parts for your Trabi.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=No1-4GsQa-g

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    , @Forbes
    @Not Raul

    Nice try at gaslighting.

  18. @Wilkey

    Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.
     
    91 entire "right wing" homicides since 2015. That's a whole stinking lot compared to

    Murders in the US by year:

    2015: 15,883
    2016: 17,413
    2017: 17,294
    2018: 16,374
    2019: 16,425
    2020: 20,000-ish

    Or 103,000 murders over those six years - less than 0.1% of them attributable to "right wing" violence, in a country that is about half Republican and 60-70% white.

    Meanwhile, Islamic terrorism since 2015:

    Chattanooga: 5 dead
    San Bernardino: 14 dead
    Orlando: 49 dead
    NYC Truck: 8 dead
    NAS Pensacola: 3 dead
    Boulder: 10 dead

    So 89 dead in the same time frame from Islamic terrorism, from a potential terrorist pool much, much smaller than the potential pool of "far right white nationalists."

    That means that, per capita, Muslims engage in about 50-70 as much political violence as white people.

    And of course if you look at overall murders, over half of them are committed by blacks, a population that votes for Democrats about 90% of the time. Blacks are about eight times more likely than whites to commit murder. when you thrown in murders by other Democratic-leaning minority groups, about 75% of the murders in this country are committed by Dem-leaning populations.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Boulder isn’t “Islamic terrorism”. It’s a nut with a gun, like Atlanta.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Not Raul

    Althea Bernstein.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  19. Left-wing attacks reached 25 in 2020.

    That might be true IF they count an entire city on fire as a single incident…

  20. @Not Raul
    I think the key is how they define “far left”.

    Looters wouldn’t be far left. They’re just thieves.

    BLM isn’t far left. They’re actually pretty mainstream. Corporations support them.

    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore), and radical anarchists, like committed Antifa cadres (rather than just fellow travelers).

    So, if they define far-left narrowly enough, and they define far-right broadly enough (eg, anyone to the right of Mike Pence), the report is plausible.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes

    BLM is communist. If you do an internet search you will find the Marxist statements they used to have on their website which they removed one by one last year when they didn’t want to jeopardise the surge in public support they received post-Floyd. They kept the ‘collective raising of children’ statement the longest but that’s now gone too.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @photondancer

    Do you mean to tell me that the looters and shooters are communist?

    They aren’t “communist”. They’re “keeping it real”.

  21. I am constantly banging this drum, so I might as well do it again here:

    There is a surprisingly popular idea on the left that all, or nearly all, of the violence in 2020 was committed by right-wingers LARPing as antifa or BLM. I have encountered multiple lefties who swear up and down that antifa and BLM are just one big kumbaya drum circle. Maybe a few of them got a little out of hand, but all the REALLY serious violence, up to and including the present day, is a series of false-flag operations by the Proud Boys, or the Oath Keepers, or the Boogaloo movement, or…somebody. But definitely not the peaceful ranks of the far left.

    It’s extremely weird — a bit like a lefty version of Qanon.

    Anyway, I would imagine that the writers of the Washington Post are well aware of these conspiracy theories, and are well aware that articles like this directly feed them. And I think they’re intended to, in a wink-wink nudge-nudge sort of way. Like, they don’t come right out and SAY it, but, hey, if some less-than-careful readers get the wrong idea, well, whaddya whaddya?

    It actually reminds me of the sort of “reporting” you see with Breitbart — except, shouldn’t the Washington Post have higher standards than Breitbart?

    Or has everyone be just thrown in the towel and now all journalism is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Blank

    Any time someone on your side does something ugly that you don't want your side to be tarred with, it immediately gets labeled as "false flag". The right does this as often as if not more often than the left. I've seen it here many times.

    This is really a corollary of "No True Scotsman" - no true Scotsman would shoot up a kindergarten so if a Scotsman shoots up a kindergarten, he must not be a TRUE Scotsman. From there is it but a wee leap to think that he must be an Englishman wearing a kilt in order to try to discredit the TRUE Scotsmen.

    This is a natural psychological defense mechanism because people like their world to be consistent and not "complicated". In a consistent world, your guys wear white hats and do only good stuff and the other team's guys wear black hats and do only bad stuff. When reality doesn't match your preferred ordering of society, it's easier to reorder reality than it is to reorder your deeply held worldview.

    It's also a sign of shame. You feel embarrassed that someone on your side has done something that discredits your cause and you fear that it will weaken your cause, but you call it "false flag" and viola, the shame and discredit are gone! The more heinous the acts, the stronger the impetus to label them false flag. Did you know that 9/11 was done by the CIA, by the Israelis, by anyone BUT Muslims?

    The sure sign of "false false flag" is that the response is immediate and reflexive and not based on any facts (although often false false flag stories often have invented facts to bolster them). If people are shouting "false flag" even before the blood is dry, then its a false false flag. Actual false flag attacks are very rare.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Mr. Blank

    Yes good point. Remember Umbrella Man in Minneapolis? The conspiracy theories get memory holed when they become inconvenient or obviously false but they’re very very prominent in lefty circles.

    There were Twitter posts all over the place when Minneapolis was burning from good white leftists in the Twin Cities—talking about all the shadowy white supremacists they swore they had seen on their block. They even believed the police were helping the provocateurs.

  22. Dear WaPo, is it a good idea to anger individuals capable of wielding vehicles? One punch will kill you if they’re that strong.

  23. anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Raul
    @Wilkey

    Boulder isn’t “Islamic terrorism”. It’s a nut with a gun, like Atlanta.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Althea Bernstein.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @anonymous

    Althea Bernstein is a nut with a flammable liquid.

    What’s your point?

  24. Were there any plots not led by an agent provocateur?

    Any at all?

  25. @Not Raul
    I think the key is how they define “far left”.

    Looters wouldn’t be far left. They’re just thieves.

    BLM isn’t far left. They’re actually pretty mainstream. Corporations support them.

    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore), and radical anarchists, like committed Antifa cadres (rather than just fellow travelers).

    So, if they define far-left narrowly enough, and they define far-right broadly enough (eg, anyone to the right of Mike Pence), the report is plausible.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes

    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore)

    It’s hard to get parts for your Trabi.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    When the Trabant was introduced in 1957, it was more or less competitive for a European car of that time. Over in West Germany, BMW was producing Isettas, which make the Trabant look like a luxury car. Postwar Europe was still recovering from the war and average workers on either side of the Iron Curtain could not afford high powered automobiles. A very basic car was the most that they could afford and even that was a step up from a bicycle or scooter.

    However, fast forward to 1989. The W. German economy has recovered and now BMW is back to making large luxury sedans like they did before the war. Even average W. German workers can afford a VW Golf that is miles ahead of a Trabant. But over in E. Germany they are still making the same Trabants that they made in 1957 with only cosmetic changes to the body style.

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop - the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.

    And the propaganda gets more and more shrill and divorced from reality. We must be vigilant against counterrevolutionaries and Fascists, who are everywhere. But there is good news too - the potato harvest is up 500% thanks to the Revolution!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke

    , @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    We are coming damn close to reality with the Pelosi Car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  26. @tyrone
    Bottom of a salt mine?, in a coma?.....hey, that doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Danindc

    I have come to believe that grief is really just envy for the dead and sadness that one is not as fortunate as the deceased. Dead people have no bad days. They can’t be harmed. They can’t be exploited. Well, their names can be exploited (i.e. Sts. George and Daunte of Minneapolis) but they can’t.

  27. @Lockean Proviso
    And of course every right-wing extremist plot was a 100% real threat, just like every hate crime turns out to be true. We would never be lied to by our intelligence community, because after the post-9/11 Iraqi WMD fiasco, they learned their lesson.

    Yes, they sure learned their lesson.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    No wonder so many Arabs are all about the Flight from White. Imagine going years after 9/11 being feared and hated then also being caught up in the anti-white crusade of the 2020s. Reminds me of the dude who was in Hiroshima when it got nuked then was unfortunate enough to be in Nagasaki three days later

  28. @zamfir
    All those Antifa rioters with hammer & sickle and A for Anarchy symbols — who could possibly tell whether they had a political or ideological motive?

    orcs don't have politics or ideology steve.

    the ideology and politics of sauron is globohomogayplexism not bolshevism or anarchism.

    those symbols are as fake as pro-wrestling.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Patrick Boyle

    I like to think if Stalin had had a crystal ball showing him what the “left” would be like in 2021, he would have surrendered unconditionally to Germany.

  29. Given the events of 2020, including the senseless lockdowns, I’d say there wasn’t nearly enough Right-wing violence, and the success of BLM suggests there wasn’t enough White-supremacist violence. Nowhere near the levels one would expect in a society dedicated to equality or equity.

  30. @vhrm
    @Polistra

    That's one of the maddening things about all these "hate crime" noise. Anything from a mass shooting in a church to some guy looked at me funny on the subway is equally considered a hate crime and of course it's all totally subjective.

    It's like unironically saying "In 2019 over 50 million Americans were murdered, raped, eaten by sharks or had a cold" as if that communicates anything worthwhile.

    Same with the good old "rape, sexual assault or harassment" category (or similar) which also obscures information in the same way by using "rape" as he scare word where the vast majority of the actual numbers in the combined category are from the "harassment" where it's someone getting their butt grabbed at a party or having "unwanted attention" from a guy who's been deemed "icky". Not that these things don't happen but they happen at rates that are orders of magnitude different from each other and combining them together into one number is basically invalid and misleading.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Yes, this technique (“bloat & blast”?) is behind an awful lot of the “statistics” the leftmedia promote.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-black-lives-matter-protests-have-killed-an-order-of-magn/#comment-4584392

  31. The many deaths caused by BLM

    Do we have a number here?

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Do a search and you'll find the number to range from 30-40. There is no official number because DOJ/FBI does not want to cast aspersions on their Antifa/BLM friends.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  32. @tyrone
    Bottom of a salt mine?, in a coma?.....hey, that doesn't sound too bad.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Danindc

    Lol. So good.

  33. The result of Orwellian propaganda like this is crickets. It will continue until the authors or publishers are allowed to have unbroken kneecaps. It will continue until white America finds a will to live, which is right now is like that of Nicolas Cage’s character in Leaving Las Vegas.

  34. Investigations
    The rise of domestic extremism in America

    Data shows a surge in homegrown incidents not seen in a quarter-century
    By Robert O’Harrow Jr., Andrew Ba Tran and Derek Hawkins
    April 12, 2021

    Glad to see see that WaPo are supporting journalists in transition. Once A B Tran has the rest of their tackle removed, I expect that she’ll be known as Andrea Tran.

  35. Good thing the the neocons at CSIS are taking time out from their busy schedule of fomenting wars all over the world to disseminate the regime’s specious talking points about political violence in America!

    I mean, c’mon, man, Pritzker, Kissinger, Brzezinski…where’s the white paper on political violence in Palestine?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Pritzker, Kissinger, Brzezinski…

    One of those things is not like the other...

    BTW, Kissinger is 97 and Brzezinski is dead so it's time to update your shtick. What are you, Joe Biden or something? The '70s are over , man.

  36. @Mr. Blank
    I am constantly banging this drum, so I might as well do it again here:

    There is a surprisingly popular idea on the left that all, or nearly all, of the violence in 2020 was committed by right-wingers LARPing as antifa or BLM. I have encountered multiple lefties who swear up and down that antifa and BLM are just one big kumbaya drum circle. Maybe a few of them got a little out of hand, but all the REALLY serious violence, up to and including the present day, is a series of false-flag operations by the Proud Boys, or the Oath Keepers, or the Boogaloo movement, or...somebody. But definitely not the peaceful ranks of the far left.

    It’s extremely weird — a bit like a lefty version of Qanon.

    Anyway, I would imagine that the writers of the Washington Post are well aware of these conspiracy theories, and are well aware that articles like this directly feed them. And I think they’re intended to, in a wink-wink nudge-nudge sort of way. Like, they don’t come right out and SAY it, but, hey, if some less-than-careful readers get the wrong idea, well, whaddya whaddya?

    It actually reminds me of the sort of “reporting” you see with Breitbart — except, shouldn’t the Washington Post have higher standards than Breitbart?

    Or has everyone be just thrown in the towel and now all journalism is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all?

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

    Any time someone on your side does something ugly that you don’t want your side to be tarred with, it immediately gets labeled as “false flag”. The right does this as often as if not more often than the left. I’ve seen it here many times.

    This is really a corollary of “No True Scotsman” – no true Scotsman would shoot up a kindergarten so if a Scotsman shoots up a kindergarten, he must not be a TRUE Scotsman. From there is it but a wee leap to think that he must be an Englishman wearing a kilt in order to try to discredit the TRUE Scotsmen.

    This is a natural psychological defense mechanism because people like their world to be consistent and not “complicated”. In a consistent world, your guys wear white hats and do only good stuff and the other team’s guys wear black hats and do only bad stuff. When reality doesn’t match your preferred ordering of society, it’s easier to reorder reality than it is to reorder your deeply held worldview.

    It’s also a sign of shame. You feel embarrassed that someone on your side has done something that discredits your cause and you fear that it will weaken your cause, but you call it “false flag” and viola, the shame and discredit are gone! The more heinous the acts, the stronger the impetus to label them false flag. Did you know that 9/11 was done by the CIA, by the Israelis, by anyone BUT Muslims?

    The sure sign of “false false flag” is that the response is immediate and reflexive and not based on any facts (although often false false flag stories often have invented facts to bolster them). If people are shouting “false flag” even before the blood is dry, then its a false false flag. Actual false flag attacks are very rare.

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Jack D

    I’m sure it gets done here and on the right in general, but being a leftist means never having to be self reflective, never apologizing, and never acknowledging an opponent’s fair point. I’ve had to truly think about what it means to be conservative for decades, precisely because I want my principles to line up with my actions. On the left, such acknowledgment is weakness.

    Well, the left does apologize when it longer matters. Now that Teddy Kennedy is worm food they’ll talk about how disgusting his behavior was and run some Netflix drama on him, but while he was dispensing power only troglodytes would bring it up. When Hillary is completely gone they’ll acknowledge the mess she made. And so on.

  37. @obwandiyag
    Sometimes statistics are good.

    Sometimes they are bad.

    Depends on whether they support your side or not.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Forbes

    Liars lie–statistics are just numbers.

  38. @Not Raul
    I think the key is how they define “far left”.

    Looters wouldn’t be far left. They’re just thieves.

    BLM isn’t far left. They’re actually pretty mainstream. Corporations support them.

    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore), and radical anarchists, like committed Antifa cadres (rather than just fellow travelers).

    So, if they define far-left narrowly enough, and they define far-right broadly enough (eg, anyone to the right of Mike Pence), the report is plausible.

    Replies: @photondancer, @Reg Cæsar, @Forbes

    Nice try at gaslighting.

    • Troll: Not Raul
  39. @Reg Cæsar
    @Not Raul


    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore)
     
    It's hard to get parts for your Trabi.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=No1-4GsQa-g

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    When the Trabant was introduced in 1957, it was more or less competitive for a European car of that time. Over in West Germany, BMW was producing Isettas, which make the Trabant look like a luxury car. Postwar Europe was still recovering from the war and average workers on either side of the Iron Curtain could not afford high powered automobiles. A very basic car was the most that they could afford and even that was a step up from a bicycle or scooter.

    However, fast forward to 1989. The W. German economy has recovered and now BMW is back to making large luxury sedans like they did before the war. Even average W. German workers can afford a VW Golf that is miles ahead of a Trabant. But over in E. Germany they are still making the same Trabants that they made in 1957 with only cosmetic changes to the body style.

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop – the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.

    And the propaganda gets more and more shrill and divorced from reality. We must be vigilant against counterrevolutionaries and Fascists, who are everywhere. But there is good news too – the potato harvest is up 500% thanks to the Revolution!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty.
     
    Wokery is the same. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop – the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.
     
    IMHO, they are just non-hereditary monarchies not very different from the Roman Empire, with an overlay of secret police and propaganda units far more extensive than anything ever seen before. The requirement imposed upon the population for almost daily loyalty oaths - or else - coupled with harsh punishments for the mildest complaints, meant that the rot set in much faster than for the vast majority of monarchies. Like the Ruriks before them, the Romanovs lasted centuries. The House of Ulyanov failed to pass the 80 year mark, let alone 100.
  40. @Brutusale
    Good thing the the neocons at CSIS are taking time out from their busy schedule of fomenting wars all over the world to disseminate the regime's specious talking points about political violence in America!

    I mean, c'mon, man, Pritzker, Kissinger, Brzezinski...where's the white paper on political violence in Palestine?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Pritzker, Kissinger, Brzezinski…

    One of those things is not like the other…

    BTW, Kissinger is 97 and Brzezinski is dead so it’s time to update your shtick. What are you, Joe Biden or something? The ’70s are over , man.

  41. @zamfir
    All those Antifa rioters with hammer & sickle and A for Anarchy symbols — who could possibly tell whether they had a political or ideological motive?

    orcs don't have politics or ideology steve.

    the ideology and politics of sauron is globohomogayplexism not bolshevism or anarchism.

    those symbols are as fake as pro-wrestling.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Patrick Boyle

    Pro wrestling is fake? I hadn’t heard.

  42. @Mr. Blank
    I am constantly banging this drum, so I might as well do it again here:

    There is a surprisingly popular idea on the left that all, or nearly all, of the violence in 2020 was committed by right-wingers LARPing as antifa or BLM. I have encountered multiple lefties who swear up and down that antifa and BLM are just one big kumbaya drum circle. Maybe a few of them got a little out of hand, but all the REALLY serious violence, up to and including the present day, is a series of false-flag operations by the Proud Boys, or the Oath Keepers, or the Boogaloo movement, or...somebody. But definitely not the peaceful ranks of the far left.

    It’s extremely weird — a bit like a lefty version of Qanon.

    Anyway, I would imagine that the writers of the Washington Post are well aware of these conspiracy theories, and are well aware that articles like this directly feed them. And I think they’re intended to, in a wink-wink nudge-nudge sort of way. Like, they don’t come right out and SAY it, but, hey, if some less-than-careful readers get the wrong idea, well, whaddya whaddya?

    It actually reminds me of the sort of “reporting” you see with Breitbart — except, shouldn’t the Washington Post have higher standards than Breitbart?

    Or has everyone be just thrown in the towel and now all journalism is just a dog-eat-dog war of all against all?

    Replies: @Jack D, @John Milton’s Ghost

    Yes good point. Remember Umbrella Man in Minneapolis? The conspiracy theories get memory holed when they become inconvenient or obviously false but they’re very very prominent in lefty circles.

    There were Twitter posts all over the place when Minneapolis was burning from good white leftists in the Twin Cities—talking about all the shadowy white supremacists they swore they had seen on their block. They even believed the police were helping the provocateurs.

  43. @Jack D
    @Mr. Blank

    Any time someone on your side does something ugly that you don't want your side to be tarred with, it immediately gets labeled as "false flag". The right does this as often as if not more often than the left. I've seen it here many times.

    This is really a corollary of "No True Scotsman" - no true Scotsman would shoot up a kindergarten so if a Scotsman shoots up a kindergarten, he must not be a TRUE Scotsman. From there is it but a wee leap to think that he must be an Englishman wearing a kilt in order to try to discredit the TRUE Scotsmen.

    This is a natural psychological defense mechanism because people like their world to be consistent and not "complicated". In a consistent world, your guys wear white hats and do only good stuff and the other team's guys wear black hats and do only bad stuff. When reality doesn't match your preferred ordering of society, it's easier to reorder reality than it is to reorder your deeply held worldview.

    It's also a sign of shame. You feel embarrassed that someone on your side has done something that discredits your cause and you fear that it will weaken your cause, but you call it "false flag" and viola, the shame and discredit are gone! The more heinous the acts, the stronger the impetus to label them false flag. Did you know that 9/11 was done by the CIA, by the Israelis, by anyone BUT Muslims?

    The sure sign of "false false flag" is that the response is immediate and reflexive and not based on any facts (although often false false flag stories often have invented facts to bolster them). If people are shouting "false flag" even before the blood is dry, then its a false false flag. Actual false flag attacks are very rare.

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost

    I’m sure it gets done here and on the right in general, but being a leftist means never having to be self reflective, never apologizing, and never acknowledging an opponent’s fair point. I’ve had to truly think about what it means to be conservative for decades, precisely because I want my principles to line up with my actions. On the left, such acknowledgment is weakness.

    Well, the left does apologize when it longer matters. Now that Teddy Kennedy is worm food they’ll talk about how disgusting his behavior was and run some Netflix drama on him, but while he was dispensing power only troglodytes would bring it up. When Hillary is completely gone they’ll acknowledge the mess she made. And so on.

  44. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    When the Trabant was introduced in 1957, it was more or less competitive for a European car of that time. Over in West Germany, BMW was producing Isettas, which make the Trabant look like a luxury car. Postwar Europe was still recovering from the war and average workers on either side of the Iron Curtain could not afford high powered automobiles. A very basic car was the most that they could afford and even that was a step up from a bicycle or scooter.

    However, fast forward to 1989. The W. German economy has recovered and now BMW is back to making large luxury sedans like they did before the war. Even average W. German workers can afford a VW Golf that is miles ahead of a Trabant. But over in E. Germany they are still making the same Trabants that they made in 1957 with only cosmetic changes to the body style.

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop - the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.

    And the propaganda gets more and more shrill and divorced from reality. We must be vigilant against counterrevolutionaries and Fascists, who are everywhere. But there is good news too - the potato harvest is up 500% thanks to the Revolution!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty.

    Wokery is the same. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    • Agree: photondancer
  45. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    When the Trabant was introduced in 1957, it was more or less competitive for a European car of that time. Over in West Germany, BMW was producing Isettas, which make the Trabant look like a luxury car. Postwar Europe was still recovering from the war and average workers on either side of the Iron Curtain could not afford high powered automobiles. A very basic car was the most that they could afford and even that was a step up from a bicycle or scooter.

    However, fast forward to 1989. The W. German economy has recovered and now BMW is back to making large luxury sedans like they did before the war. Even average W. German workers can afford a VW Golf that is miles ahead of a Trabant. But over in E. Germany they are still making the same Trabants that they made in 1957 with only cosmetic changes to the body style.

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop - the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.

    And the propaganda gets more and more shrill and divorced from reality. We must be vigilant against counterrevolutionaries and Fascists, who are everywhere. But there is good news too - the potato harvest is up 500% thanks to the Revolution!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Johann Ricke

    The problem is that Communism/dictatorship has no feedback mechanism. Feedback is seen as disloyalty. There is no OODA loop – the leadership just tells everyone what to do according to their whims and ideology. The further off track you go, the more people are dissatisfied so you have to keep cracking down on dissent harder and harder.

    IMHO, they are just non-hereditary monarchies not very different from the Roman Empire, with an overlay of secret police and propaganda units far more extensive than anything ever seen before. The requirement imposed upon the population for almost daily loyalty oaths – or else – coupled with harsh punishments for the mildest complaints, meant that the rot set in much faster than for the vast majority of monarchies. Like the Ruriks before them, the Romanovs lasted centuries. The House of Ulyanov failed to pass the 80 year mark, let alone 100.

  46. Jeff Bezos personal rag The Wash Compost doing what it does pushing slanted propaganda

  47. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    The many deaths caused by BLM
     
    Do we have a number here?

    Replies: @fnn

    Do a search and you’ll find the number to range from 30-40. There is no official number because DOJ/FBI does not want to cast aspersions on their Antifa/BLM friends.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @fnn

    Does that include the 5 cops murdered in Dallas?

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/police-officers-killed-dallas-shooting

  48. @Muggles
    You would think in a sane world that this kind of study would have a long list of alleged "right wing violence" with dates, locations, kind of violence, victims, perps (arrested of course), and actual evidence of hate or right wing motive. And related criminal charges and convictions.

    Ditto for left wing stuff.

    Without the details this is mere "trust us" junk.

    Also, one might suspect that in every single case where a victim is non white (or perhaps some are), it is classified as a right wing hate crime. Yet one also suspects that in every similar case where said victims were white (or mainly whites) and the perp(s) were not white, that not all or almost none, were included as 'non white' violence.

    So the former NFL running back who murdered 6 people including children, women and elderly people, that's mere ordinary crime. Not hate filled anti white racism (or did the stories all omit the races of the perp and victims?) Just life in dangerous rural South Carolina.

    As iSteve notes, hundreds of violent protests by BLM/antifa thugs were somehow ignored. I guess "mostly peaceful" rioting, beatings, killings, lootings and burnings were just not easy to classify.

    Interesting to compare/contrast the results of Portland/Seattle/Minneapolis/ etc. weeks and months long riots, etc. to the peaceful Jan. 6 march on the Capitol, where one peaceful demonstrator was shot in the face by a yet unnamed government cop. No charges, just secrecy.

    In the the former instances, almost zero jailed, no one killed by cops. In the latter, most participants have been tracked down by the FBI and are jailed w/o bail or charges, months later.

    You have to start to wonder...?

    Replies: @CCZ

    “No charges, just secrecy.”

    And there will be NO CHARGES!!

    “The U.S. Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot will not face criminal charges, the Justice Department said Wednesday.”

    “Federal prosecutors determined there was insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution against the officer.”

  49. Steve says:

    Later on they’ll admit the extremely contrived way they exclude BLM and Antifa violence.

    I looked up the methodology for how they gathered data. They define terrorism in the following way:

    TNT defined terrorism as the deliberate use—or threat—of violence by non-state actors in
    order to achieve political goals and create a broad psychological impact.4

    For inclusion in the data set, events had to meet all parts of this definition. TNT did not seek to address other issues, such as hate crimes, protests, riots, or broader civil unrest.
    Throughout the time period covered, there were many incidents that did not meet the
    definition of terrorism and were therefore excluded, regardless of whether the events
    were considered other types of crimes. Determinations were based on publicly available
    information as of March 2021.
    Common reasons that events were not deemed to be terrorism included:
    ▪ Absence of violence or the threat of violence: There is an overlap between terrorism and hate crimes. However, not all hate crimes—defined by the FBI as “crimes in which the perpetrators acted based on a bias against the victim’s race, color, religion, or national origin”—include violent elements.5
    TNT excluded incidents in which there was no actual or threatened violence, such as graffiti and trespassing.

    Not sure if that includes that Capital Riots of January 6.

    ▪ Non-political motives: TNT also excluded incidents in which the perpetrators’
    motives were not political in nature. Frequently, these perpetrators had personal
    motivations, such as greed. For example, TNT did not code as terrorism those
    incidents during public demonstrations (such as looting) that were attributed to
    apolitical criminals.
    Similarly, TNT did not code the Kyle Rittenhouse incident in
    Kenosha, Wisconsin, as a terrorist attack. TNT assessed that he lacked a clear political
    motive for the killings.
    ▪ Undetermined motives: In some cases, no motive for an incident was identified.
    Though some of these events may have been tied to political motives, if there was
    no evidence, they were excluded from the data set. For example, there were many
    examples of vehicles driving into protests during the summer of 2020. However, many
    could not be definitively connected to political intention and were therefore excluded.

    Finally, there was often limited information available on motivations for violent incidents,
    particularly regarding violence during riots—including objects such as Molotov cocktails
    thrown by unknown individuals—and vehicle attacks at demonstrations.
    TNT maintained
    a high standard of proof and excluded incidents for which a clear political motive could
    not be determined. Consequently, the data set may understate the number of attacks. For
    example, there were approximately 450 violent protests between May and August 2020,
    based on ACLED data. Yet TNT only verified 12 incidents of far-left terrorism during that
    period, since most of the violence did not meet the definition of terrorism. Similarly,
    though some sources recorded over 100 far-right vehicle attacks at protests in 2020, TNT
    only verified 11 as meeting the definition of terrorist attacks.7
    As investigations and court cases proceed and new evidence emerges, the data set can be updated accordingly.

    The report’s methodology is here – https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/210412_Jones_Methodology.pdf

    The full report is here, and they include the words Capitol 21 times. https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/210412_Jones_Military_Police_Rise_of_Terrorism_United_States_1.pdf?

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @ginger bread man

    Thanks for taking the time to compile this, it's illuminating. So when molotov cocktails are being thrown at the same time as people are chanting BLM slogans it's not evidence of political motivation. No wonder academia is increasingly held in disrepute.

  50. @Reg Cæsar
    @Not Raul


    By “far left”, they mean communists (there are few of them younger than 75 anymore)
     
    It's hard to get parts for your Trabi.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=No1-4GsQa-g

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    We are coming damn close to reality with the Pelosi Car.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones

    Is that Martin Mull at the opening?

  51. @fnn
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Do a search and you'll find the number to range from 30-40. There is no official number because DOJ/FBI does not want to cast aspersions on their Antifa/BLM friends.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Does that include the 5 cops murdered in Dallas?

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/police-officers-killed-dallas-shooting

  52. @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    We are coming damn close to reality with the Pelosi Car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqPMJFaEdY

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Is that Martin Mull at the opening?

  53. @anonymous
    @Not Raul

    Althea Bernstein.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Althea Bernstein is a nut with a flammable liquid.

    What’s your point?

  54. @photondancer
    @Not Raul

    BLM is communist. If you do an internet search you will find the Marxist statements they used to have on their website which they removed one by one last year when they didn't want to jeopardise the surge in public support they received post-Floyd. They kept the 'collective raising of children' statement the longest but that's now gone too.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Do you mean to tell me that the looters and shooters are communist?

    They aren’t “communist”. They’re “keeping it real”.

  55. @ginger bread man
    Steve says:

    Later on they’ll admit the extremely contrived way they exclude BLM and Antifa violence.

     

    I looked up the methodology for how they gathered data. They define terrorism in the following way:

    TNT defined terrorism as the deliberate use—or threat—of violence by non-state actors in
    order to achieve political goals and create a broad psychological impact.4
    ...
    For inclusion in the data set, events had to meet all parts of this definition. TNT did not seek to address other issues, such as hate crimes, protests, riots, or broader civil unrest.
    Throughout the time period covered, there were many incidents that did not meet the
    definition of terrorism and were therefore excluded, regardless of whether the events
    were considered other types of crimes. Determinations were based on publicly available
    information as of March 2021.
    Common reasons that events were not deemed to be terrorism included:
    ▪ Absence of violence or the threat of violence: There is an overlap between terrorism and hate crimes. However, not all hate crimes—defined by the FBI as “crimes in which the perpetrators acted based on a bias against the victim’s race, color, religion, or national origin”—include violent elements.5
    TNT excluded incidents in which there was no actual or threatened violence, such as graffiti and trespassing.

     

    Not sure if that includes that Capital Riots of January 6.

    ▪ Non-political motives: TNT also excluded incidents in which the perpetrators’
    motives were not political in nature. Frequently, these perpetrators had personal
    motivations, such as greed. For example, TNT did not code as terrorism those
    incidents during public demonstrations (such as looting) that were attributed to
    apolitical criminals.
    Similarly, TNT did not code the Kyle Rittenhouse incident in
    Kenosha, Wisconsin, as a terrorist attack. TNT assessed that he lacked a clear political
    motive for the killings.
    ▪ Undetermined motives: In some cases, no motive for an incident was identified.
    Though some of these events may have been tied to political motives, if there was
    no evidence, they were excluded from the data set. For example, there were many
    examples of vehicles driving into protests during the summer of 2020. However, many
    could not be definitively connected to political intention and were therefore excluded.
    ...
    Finally, there was often limited information available on motivations for violent incidents,
    particularly regarding violence during riots—including objects such as Molotov cocktails
    thrown by unknown individuals—and vehicle attacks at demonstrations.
    TNT maintained
    a high standard of proof and excluded incidents for which a clear political motive could
    not be determined. Consequently, the data set may understate the number of attacks. For
    example, there were approximately 450 violent protests between May and August 2020,
    based on ACLED data. Yet TNT only verified 12 incidents of far-left terrorism during that
    period, since most of the violence did not meet the definition of terrorism. Similarly,
    though some sources recorded over 100 far-right vehicle attacks at protests in 2020, TNT
    only verified 11 as meeting the definition of terrorist attacks.7
    As investigations and court cases proceed and new evidence emerges, the data set can be updated accordingly.

     

    The report's methodology is here - https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/210412_Jones_Methodology.pdf

    The full report is here, and they include the words Capitol 21 times. https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/210412_Jones_Military_Police_Rise_of_Terrorism_United_States_1.pdf?

    Replies: @photondancer

    Thanks for taking the time to compile this, it’s illuminating. So when molotov cocktails are being thrown at the same time as people are chanting BLM slogans it’s not evidence of political motivation. No wonder academia is increasingly held in disrepute.

  56. “Do you mean to tell me that the looters and shooters are communist?”

    In the sense that they believe in relieving the bourgeoisie of their ill-gotten goods, sure. 😉

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