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From the Seattle Times:

Lynnwood man tried to use a home DNA test to qualify as a minority business owner. He was denied — now he’s suing.

State and federal programs aim to ensure minority-owned businesses can compete for government contracts after generations of institutional discrimination. A Lynnwood man long identified as white is using DNA ethnicity estimates to claim minority status.

By Christine Willmsen

Ralph Taylor says it doesn’t matter what he looks like. Having lived most of his life as a white man, the 55-year-old now considers himself to be multiracial based on DNA test results.

The owner of Orion Insurance Group in Lynnwood also wants the U.S. Department of Transportation to recognize him as a minority so he can gain more deals providing liability insurance to contractors.

Taylor is suing Washington state and the federal government because he was denied a minority-business certification under a program created more than two decades ago to help level the playing field for minority business owners seeking contracts in the transportation industry. He provided no evidence he has suffered socially or economically because of race.

His case is pending with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

In 2010 Taylor began identifying himself as multiracial after a DNA ancestry test estimated he was 90 percent Caucasian, 6 percent indigenous American and 4 percent sub-Saharan African.

He applied for state certification with the Washington Office of Minority & Women’s Business Enterprises (OMWBE) so Orion Insurance Group would be considered a minority business.

With no criteria defining a minority race or ethnicity, OMWBE eventually approved Taylor. But that same state agency, which also manages the U.S. Department of Transportation certification, decided he was Caucasian under that program’s procedures and denied his application.

Since then Taylor has pursued an unconventional legal path that raises questions about how the government determines who is and who isn’t a minority. Should it matter what a person looks like? Should they have to prove they’ve suffered discrimination? Can DNA tests prove race or ethnicity? And is Taylor taking advantage of a program by basing his identity on DNA results that some experts consider unreliable?

The OMWBE decides on a case-by-case basis who qualifies for both the state and federal programs it manages.

Gigi Zenk, former communications director for the office, said the programs are designed to provide minority business owners with equal access to contracts as a way of correcting persistent institutional discrimination.

“We work really hard to be fair, nothing is just black and white,” she said. “It’s never just one piece of evidence.”

Yet some who qualified for the program acknowledged they had never been disenfranchised. A Yakima man who qualified for both the state and federal programs said he is about 6 percent African American, looks Caucasian and has never encountered discrimination. Since 2014, the program has helped him win millions of dollars in contracts.

I discussed why brouhahas over whether some affirmative action beneficiary is black or not are fairly rare in the United States (versus how common they are in Brazil at present) in my recent Taki’s column “The Affirmative Action Honor System.”

 
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  1. I had some business dealings with a pale, blonde guy with an Irish surname who was a certified American Indian business owner for affirmative action purposes with the Federal government. You would not have thought he was anything but European by looking at him.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Flip

    There's a lot of that shite going on in the Federal guvmint where a small AA company "teams" with a big Beltway Bandit to get a contract. Guess who does most of the work?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Flip

    Flip, years ago the University at Buffalo approached my wife to see if she could provide a service for them as a minority contractor. They send out letters seeking minority contractors so they could remain minority contractor compliant. My wife, obviously a female, also qualified because her maiden name, although Italian, was also on a list of Hispanic names. That's all it took to land a portion of their service contract. Sweet.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Flip


    "who was a certified American Indian business owner"
     
    Unlike the other versions of "minority" status, there is an objective qualification to be an American Indian: you have to be on the tribal rolls of a federally-recognized tribe. Now some of the tribes are ... shall we say, pretty attenuated, but still, if the tribe accepts you as a member and the Feds recognize the tribe, then you are an Official Indian, no matter how red-headed and fair-complected you are. All the other "minority" statues are just, as Steve says, the honor system, which as others have noticed is kind of ironic given how dishonorable the system is altogether.

    For instance, Elizabeth Warren doesn't appear on any tribal rolls, yet given her swift ascent through the Harvard hierarchy, she was almost certainly juicing her prospects with her fake American Indian ancestry claim. If Harvard were doing their due diligence, they would have asked her for a copy of the relevant tribal rolls, but they were probably just happy to have someone they cold tally as "minority" and so were content to take her spurious claim at face value without evidence, push their inflated "minority" number to the world, then keep mum about whether or not Warren was part of that number or not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  2. Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @L Woods


    Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.
     
    I was thinking the exact same thing. I would claim multi-racial identity in the same scenario. Is the man supposed to forfeit millions of dollars of opportunity by being categorized in the wrong government ethnic group?
    , @anon
    @L Woods

    Don't be ridiculous. This man will either (a) lose on some spurious grounds or (b) win, with his victory kept very quiet by the press. Meanwhile, the gravy train will roll on.

    If you think he is the first phony minority in the US to take advantage of gov't largesse, then perhaps you'd be interested in these magic beans this cookbook written by Elizabeth Warren

  3. “He provided no evidence he has suffered socially or economically because of race.”

    Since when is that a requirement for a minority to receive special treatment?
    .
    .

    • Agree: L Woods, NickG, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Spud Boy

    Spud, in the world of aggrieved minorities, you think you suffer, then you actually suffer.

    , @Jake Barnes
    @Spud Boy

    At a bare minimum, recepients should prove they were told to hurry up on an escalator *at least* once.

  4. From Luigi Cavalli-Sforza’s NYT obituary via your recent tweet:

    ‘Dr. Cavalli-Sforza also studied genetic changes in the Y chromosome, the determinant of male gender, [my emphasis] which is passed from fathers to sons. ’

    It’s even hard for the arbitrers of what is salonfähig to be consistently salonfähig!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Aidan Kehoe


    It’s even hard for the arbitrers of what is salonfähig to be consistently salonfähig!

     

    Now there's a bastard term that makes "television" and "homosexual" look linguistically pure by comparison. Why not Gästezimmerfähig? Or présentable?

    Replies: @El Dato

  5. Well, Gigi is not a Becky, so I guess she can get away with Crime Speak like “We work really hard to be fair, nothing is just black and white“.

  6. The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Tyrion 2

    At least Southerners called slavery "the peculiar institution." They didn't call it "the totally fuckin' awesome badass institution.'

    , @Hokie
    @Tyrion 2

    No, it is very common in history. Millets in the Ottoman Empire, the various privileges given to the altaic tribes under the Qing Dynasty, the Kalmyks in the Russian Empire, the rights the turkic tribes had in Safavid Persia, etc

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    , @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    What *is* unusual is for the discriminated against race (whites in this case) to 'voluntarily' institute discrimination against themselves in order to benefit another race or races.

    Surely this is unprecedented. Not only in human affairs and history, but in every single instance of manifest creation. One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @AndrewR
    @Tyrion 2

    Not their skin color. Their designation as a "minority." Different things.

    , @Alden
    @Tyrion 2

    Not at all . some Manchus never worked and lived off large government pensions from the conquest of China in the 1600s to the end of the monarchy around 1910.

    In England only members of the established Church of England could practice most professions and occupations, attend college or be government contractors from the 1530s to the middle of the 19th century.

    The London School of Economics was established in the 19th century as the only college in the country non members of the Church of England could attend.

    Even Catholic Dukes and Lords were subject to the laws favoring only Church of England’s members.

    In Poland for hundreds of years by law only Jews were employed as tax collectors. They were not government employees. They were commission contractors who kept most of the money they collected.

    Most of the world for most of history has had systems where certain classes castes religious groups certain groups are favored by governments both de jure and de facto

    In America it’s been de jure since the 1968 affirmative action law.

    I don’t know why anyone’s surprised.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

  7. My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Ibound1

    Ibound, certainly not. Elizabeth Warren qualifies as Amerindian because of her cheekbones.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @anonymous
    @Ibound1


    Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?
     
    It would be wrong for them not to. It's a corrupt system to its very core and if enough of us 'woke' whites game it thus (or any other way) there will be two most excellent outcomes. One, the vile, sclerotic system will implode due to its many internal contradictions and even better: Two, the only ones left on the outside will be white SJW types. O Happy Day!

    Replies: @propagandist hacker

    , @propagandist hacker
    @Ibound1

    hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA…also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain…well, most of the USA was once owned by spain…yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including much of the South…that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that was born in north america then you can claim to be hispanic…america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain…thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas#/media/File:Spanish_America_XVIII_Century_(Most_Expansion).png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
    "The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano or hispánico) broadly refers to the people, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to the Spanish language or the country of Spain, depending on the context.

    It commonly applies to countries once under colonial possession by the Spanish Empire following Spanish colonization of the Americas, parts of the Asia-Pacific region and Africa. "

    So, yes, your kids are hispanic and they should claim that birthright.

    Replies: @GermanReader2, @stillCARealist

    , @william munny
    @Ibound1

    From time to time you see stories about white guys from Africa saying they are African-American on college applications or whatever.

    , @Mark P Miller
    @Ibound1

    I have started identifying as African American on government paperwork.

    I've not yet been challenged but it would be easy to substantiate. After all, most (educated) people have heard of my famous aunt Lucy. We still regale our children with stories of what it was like in Oldevai Gorge before all the development and Starbucks and raycis gentrification so they can appreciate their African heritage just in time for college applications.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Aardvark
    @Ibound1

    If your kids plan to be Democrats, they should shamelessly say they are Hispanic, but it could backfire if they are perceived as white Hispanics.
    If your kids plan to be Republicans, it's dicey. They could turn out to be Marco Rubio's or it goes badly for them.
    I think if they stay out of politics altogether, then go for it.
    Make sure they are aggrieved about all sorts of stuff such as the existence of other molecules in the atmosphere etc.

    , @Alden
    @Ibound1

    Depends on the last name. If it looks Spanish check Hispanic. British French German even Swedish or Polish last name just check black or mixed race. If mixed check identify as black.

    Worked for my family. If you don’t want your children sent to the gulag or ending up homeless because of affirmative action check black or Hispanic when they enter kindergarten.

    Look at 1920s Russia. Those who fought the Jew communists were killed and their children grand children and great grandchildren were sent to the worst hardest most unhealthy jobs, the worst housing projects the worst health clinics.

    Those who joined the party got decent jobs housing and medical care.

    We are not even the untouchables. The liberals want us dead because we are White. If you’re not willing to check yourself minority do it for your children and your old age.

  8. @Flip
    I had some business dealings with a pale, blonde guy with an Irish surname who was a certified American Indian business owner for affirmative action purposes with the Federal government. You would not have thought he was anything but European by looking at him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe, @Almost Missouri

    There’s a lot of that shite going on in the Federal guvmint where a small AA company “teams” with a big Beltway Bandit to get a contract. Guess who does most of the work?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    A lot of government contractors' businesses in the Beltway are registered under their wives' names as woman owned businesses count as minority owned.

    Replies: @Indiana Jack

  9. I was recently hired at a company that has to follow EEOC rules. You can bet your ass that I self-identified as African-American and that’s what my file says. The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.

    I would advise everybody to switch to African-American for EEOC purposes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon215


    The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.
     
    What law says that? Do you have a citation?

    Replies: @Anon215, @Anonymous

  10. He provided no evidence he has suffered socially or economically because of race.

    As Steve has pointed out before, we white people are far too clever to leave any evidence behind that we discriminated against him socially and economically. But make no mistake, we discriminated against this guy the moment we laid eyes on him.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  11. It’s Carl Fredricksen from Up!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Reg Cæsar

    Looks more like this guy's brother from another mother, IYKWIM:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/c4/65/95c4654db07456e6b9a3640253cd76a9.jpg

  12. @Aidan Kehoe
    From Luigi Cavalli-Sforza’s NYT obituary via your recent tweet:

    ‘Dr. Cavalli-Sforza also studied genetic changes in the Y chromosome, the determinant of male gender, [my emphasis] which is passed from fathers to sons. ’
     
    It’s even hard for the arbitrers of what is salonfähig to be consistently salonfähig!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s even hard for the arbitrers of what is salonfähig to be consistently salonfähig!

    Now there’s a bastard term that makes “television” and “homosexual” look linguistically pure by comparison. Why not Gästezimmerfähig? Or présentable?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    Perfectly good german and better than slatefähig

    I looked it up in the Duden and found another interesting word:

    Salonbolschewist: Somebody who defends Bolchevism with gusto, but only as long as the practical implementation of the same does not go against his personal interests.

  13. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    South African Negroes say that whiteness is a “crime”:

     

    Is it time for Bantued Books Week yet?
  14. This has always been a scam in costruction and evertbody knows it. “Black” owned sub contractors without a single black worker. Women qualify as minoritied even though they are more than half the population. Many times a new contractor had to be hired in an emergency because an actual minority contractor just stopped showing up causing costs to skyrocket. More scams than any fiction writer could imagine. Ever wonder why public works projects are always behind schedule and over budget? ” Minority” fly by night contractors are a large part of it.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Dtbb

    I had a friend who "sold" 51% of his company to his wife so they could qualify as female owned for government bidding purposes.

    Replies: @william munny

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Dtbb

    Dttb, I ran a bridge repair job where the expansion joints were to be installed by a minority contractor, a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  15. @L Woods
    Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Massimo Heitor, @anon

    It’s not a flight from white, it’s a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the “minority” in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Corvinus

    Sit down boy, you're drunk.

    , @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    What a wonderful day that will be!
     
    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?

    A Mumbai/Chiraq mix everywhere? You betcha.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @syonredux
    @Corvinus


    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the “minority” in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!
     
    Dear boy, didn't you get the memo? Whites are the hereditary majority.

    You simply must try to keep up.....
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Corvinus

    Wrong.

    White people are now a plurality in Toronto. Have they changed any classifications? Of course not. It's now a "majority-visible minority" city.

    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lagertha

    , @Anon
    @Corvinus

    The 98% Indian body shop H1b companies are all being sued for discriminating against whites and east asians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    Was that supposed to be funny? You aren't funny. You couldn't be funny even if you fell down an open manhole. Though I would still encourage you to try.

  16. I’m reminded of that 80s movie Soul Man.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    @Live Free or McRib

    The reverse of which would be that movie starring then "Bruce" Jenner as a new quarterback at Grambling University because the school was too black.

  17. I worked for a minority IT firm and did the bids. I think we got some sub work this way with IBM and Digital, early on, but we made an app they needed too.

    It seemed like a lot of places esp Calif moved from minority to economically disadvantaged instead. But there are lots of different jurisdictions with different rules.

    Company was asian owned and hardly disadvantaged.

  18. Going by his black ancestry, he would be a hexadecaroon. Which I think would mean that either one of his parents was an octoroon, or both of his parents were hexadecaroons.

    He also could be of Mulengeon descent.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Anonymous


    Going by his black ancestry, he would be a hexadecaroon. Which I think would mean that either one of his parents was an octoroon, or both of his parents were hexadecaroons.

     

    Leslie Caroon sure had some nice legs!
  19. Don’t we have a one drop rule in the US? Everyone needs to claim minority status. Overwhelm the system. Heck all males can now claim they are female anyone disagreeing will lose their job for transphobia. The left tells us that’s our new values.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Sean c

    Cloward-Piven looking better every day.

  20. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Sit down boy, you’re drunk.

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    @Aidan Kehoe


    It’s even hard for the arbitrers of what is salonfähig to be consistently salonfähig!

     

    Now there's a bastard term that makes "television" and "homosexual" look linguistically pure by comparison. Why not Gästezimmerfähig? Or présentable?

    Replies: @El Dato

    Perfectly good german and better than slatefähig

    I looked it up in the Duden and found another interesting word:

    Salonbolschewist: Somebody who defends Bolchevism with gusto, but only as long as the practical implementation of the same does not go against his personal interests.

  22. @L Woods
    Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Massimo Heitor, @anon

    Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.

    I was thinking the exact same thing. I would claim multi-racial identity in the same scenario. Is the man supposed to forfeit millions of dollars of opportunity by being categorized in the wrong government ethnic group?

  23. @Dr. X
    South African Negroes say that whiteness is a "crime":

    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/2010239/white-existence-is-a-crime-says-blf-spokesperson/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    South African Negroes say that whiteness is a “crime”:

    Is it time for Bantued Books Week yet?

  24. @Reg Cæsar
    It's Carl Fredricksen from Up!


    https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/624a204c-a192-11e8-8fb0-352169088dc1-1560x1040.jpg

    http://www.mwctoys.com/images1/review_up_5.jpg

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike

    Looks more like this guy’s brother from another mother, IYKWIM:

  25. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    What a wonderful day that will be!

    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?

    A Mumbai/Chiraq mix everywhere? You betcha.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?"

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mr. Anon

  26. @Dtbb
    This has always been a scam in costruction and evertbody knows it. "Black" owned sub contractors without a single black worker. Women qualify as minoritied even though they are more than half the population. Many times a new contractor had to be hired in an emergency because an actual minority contractor just stopped showing up causing costs to skyrocket. More scams than any fiction writer could imagine. Ever wonder why public works projects are always behind schedule and over budget? " Minority" fly by night contractors are a large part of it.

    Replies: @Flip, @Buffalo Joe

    I had a friend who “sold” 51% of his company to his wife so they could qualify as female owned for government bidding purposes.

    • Replies: @william munny
    @Flip

    I work with a lot of contractors and nearly every one of them is owned by a wife or mother.

  27. @Flip
    I had some business dealings with a pale, blonde guy with an Irish surname who was a certified American Indian business owner for affirmative action purposes with the Federal government. You would not have thought he was anything but European by looking at him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe, @Almost Missouri

    Flip, years ago the University at Buffalo approached my wife to see if she could provide a service for them as a minority contractor. They send out letters seeking minority contractors so they could remain minority contractor compliant. My wife, obviously a female, also qualified because her maiden name, although Italian, was also on a list of Hispanic names. That’s all it took to land a portion of their service contract. Sweet.

  28. @Spud Boy
    "He provided no evidence he has suffered socially or economically because of race."

    Since when is that a requirement for a minority to receive special treatment?
    .
    .

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jake Barnes

    Spud, in the world of aggrieved minorities, you think you suffer, then you actually suffer.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  29. @Anonymous
    Going by his black ancestry, he would be a hexadecaroon. Which I think would mean that either one of his parents was an octoroon, or both of his parents were hexadecaroons.

    He also could be of Mulengeon descent.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Going by his black ancestry, he would be a hexadecaroon. Which I think would mean that either one of his parents was an octoroon, or both of his parents were hexadecaroons.

    Leslie Caroon sure had some nice legs!

  30. The only “persistent institutional discrimination” is the government handing out goodies to some races, ethnicities, and genders in preference to others and that is what the OMWBE and EEOC are specifically tasked to do.

  31. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    Ibound, certainly not. Elizabeth Warren qualifies as Amerindian because of her cheekbones.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    As a joke, I checked the Hispanic box on the PSAT a thousand years ago and received letters for Hispanic scholarships. That was back in high school when we used to have drunken parties and jump on top of girls.

    Replies: @anonymous

  32. @Tyrion 2
    The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    Replies: @njguy73, @Hokie, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Alden

    At least Southerners called slavery “the peculiar institution.” They didn’t call it “the totally fuckin’ awesome badass institution.’

    • Agree: Tyrion 2
  33. @Dtbb
    This has always been a scam in costruction and evertbody knows it. "Black" owned sub contractors without a single black worker. Women qualify as minoritied even though they are more than half the population. Many times a new contractor had to be hired in an emergency because an actual minority contractor just stopped showing up causing costs to skyrocket. More scams than any fiction writer could imagine. Ever wonder why public works projects are always behind schedule and over budget? " Minority" fly by night contractors are a large part of it.

    Replies: @Flip, @Buffalo Joe

    Dttb, I ran a bridge repair job where the expansion joints were to be installed by a minority contractor, a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.
     
    He received 500K and did no work?

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

  34. Quotas have been present in the defense industry for years.

    If you want to be a subcontractor or supplier to one of the large firms (Lockheed, Northrop), your best bet is emphasizing the fact that you are woman or minority-owned, regardless of the reality. Disabled and veteran ownership helps too. So far there isn’t much push for LGBTQWERTY deviant-owned subs.

    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.

    Inside the big firms the HR sisterhood rules the roost and gets the best offices. Bias and anti-racism training is regularly scheduled. Ethics investigators are being hired at each division.

    The entire defense industry is largely a well-paid, make-work program for bright, white, male engineers. If they weren’t depended on these firms for a check, they’d be sitting around, oh I dunno, planning how to replace the current system with something better…

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I have worked at such a company, and while there were a large number of required training modules on ethics and compliance, there was no required training about racism or bias. I would not describe HR as ruling the roost either.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lowe

    , @Anonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.
     
    If only they would keep score which vendors employed American citizens versus not.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Seth Largo
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yeah, those make-work projects, you know, like stealth bombers and recon jets and unmanned drones.

  35. He’s too well-integrated.

    His application will be successful when he starts dressing the part and speaking in quaint ways…

    “My heart soars like a hawk to learn of your choice of this policy.”

    A change of name couldn’t hurt, either.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Dan_George

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cortes

    My dad knew a guy who changed his name to "Roberto Eduardo Leon" and got a fat minority government contract with some agency. He went from being a $25K/year employee (that was good money then, Corvettes were under ten grand and houses maybe fifty, in the Midwest) to buying a brand new Beech King Air cash in five years and the hangar to park it in. (He would have bought a bizjet, but back then they all legally required a two man crew, and warjets weren't a thing yet other than some decrepit single seat DH Vampires and the very occasional T-33 that escaped the smelter.)

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra, @L Woods

  36. The entire defense industry is largely a well-paid, make-work program for bright, white, male engineers. If they weren’t depended on these firms for a check, they’d be sitting around, oh I dunno, planning how to replace the current system with something better…

    What’s this guy saying? The American Empire’s ruling class is buying of the bright ones with military Keynesianism?

    There are about ten million or so getting the BooBoo check or KooKoo check. Social Security Disability started handing out the checks like candy during the global financial implosion.

    Are the KooKoo checks and the BooBoo checks to buy off the dumb ones?

    RPP stands for Riot Prevention Payments. Social Security Disability is RPP.

    Smart War Budget boys and BooBoo checkers and KooKoo checkers singing the same song as the American Empire heads for the boneyard of empires.

  37. Bring it on. I’ve been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic – but retain pride in their European heritage.

    The system is corrupt and out to destroy me and my kind. Why should I play by its rules.

    Screw the system as best as you can. It’s not your system. It’s out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define “black” or “Hispanic.” Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the “authorities” are.

    Steve and others are doing their best to keep this rickety boat afloat. They don’t seem to realize that we’re on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Any semblence of what the United States once was, what that culture and people once were, is terminally ill. We’re like a cancer patient where the disease has moved into the bones and the brain, but we still feel reasonable well. To people on street, we look pretty normal, though if you look close, you notice some signs that all is not well. But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.

    Look, I’m not claiming some silly civil war. I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast. Accept that and realize that you own zero loyalty to what is replacing it.

    • Agree: Dtbb, L Woods, Mr. Rational, Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    hmmm? I can't speak for Steve, but I think many of us here, for several years now (can't speak to some of you, venerables, from the beginning of iSteve), realize what is going on. We are basically, exchanging ideas to fight The Machine. We exchange ideas, comments, insults, and dumb stuff (mostly me) because we are inclined to do so. It is hard to watch the decline.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "Bring it on. I’ve been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic – but retain pride in their European heritage."

    And be a hypocrite in the process.

    "Screw the system as best as you can. It’s not your system. It’s out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define “black” or “Hispanic.” Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the “authorities” are."

    Most whites are not of your mindset. You work to FIX things.

    "But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying."

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.

    "I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast."

    For YOU, but not for others.

    "I’m sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it’s late."

    No, it's not too late to "save" our nation. You create in your head that we can't do anything to "save" our nation, and then bitch and moan about it until the cows come home. It's pathetic to act like Chicken Little.

    Replies: @syonredux

  38. OT, but perhaps the most on-topic thing possible in the larger iSteve universe:

    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/for-valentino-dixon-a-wrong-righted-murder-charge-vacated-by-court-after-serving-27-years-in-prison

    The black dude who got sprung really, really likes to draw golf courses.

  39. Mr. Taylor, there’s some downside to your transition to black man.

  40. I met a guy in NZ who got a full Maori scholarship even though he is only 1/32 Maori.

  41. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Quotas have been present in the defense industry for years.

    If you want to be a subcontractor or supplier to one of the large firms (Lockheed, Northrop), your best bet is emphasizing the fact that you are woman or minority-owned, regardless of the reality. Disabled and veteran ownership helps too. So far there isn't much push for LGBTQWERTY deviant-owned subs.

    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.

    Inside the big firms the HR sisterhood rules the roost and gets the best offices. Bias and anti-racism training is regularly scheduled. Ethics investigators are being hired at each division.

    The entire defense industry is largely a well-paid, make-work program for bright, white, male engineers. If they weren't depended on these firms for a check, they'd be sitting around, oh I dunno, planning how to replace the current system with something better...

    Replies: @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Seth Largo

    I have worked at such a company, and while there were a large number of required training modules on ethics and compliance, there was no required training about racism or bias. I would not describe HR as ruling the roost either.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Lowe

    How long ago were you at such a company?

    If it was more than a few years ago you have no idea how much things have changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Lowe

    , @Lowe
    @Lowe

    It was very recent. I am sure this kind of thing varies among companies, but my experience is that no employer wants to subject their employees to nonsense training. Defense has mostly a conservative culture, as well.

    Though I do agree with you that defense is largely a make-work program for engineers. The happy effect for the US military is an immense arsenal of weapons, but it is still a make-work program. Not very capitalist is what I mean.

  42. @Tyrion 2
    The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    Replies: @njguy73, @Hokie, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Alden

    No, it is very common in history. Millets in the Ottoman Empire, the various privileges given to the altaic tribes under the Qing Dynasty, the Kalmyks in the Russian Empire, the rights the turkic tribes had in Safavid Persia, etc

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Hokie

    Was that stuff celebrated? By those discriminated against?

  43. OT If you haven’t already seen this, try it. The Electronic Freedom Foundation (an advocacy group for online privacy) checks your vulnerability to tracking. Fast and free. Be sure to look at the “fingerprinting” section.
    https://panopticlick.eff.org/
    AdWare and robocalls both seem to have upgraded recently, possibly related to the panopticon pretending to protect us from Russians and realizing that people weren’t as thoroughly hypnotized as had been thought. I remember robocalls being a major issue years ago, resulting in the Do Not Call List. Now a new pattern of robocalls seems to get around that list.

  44. generations of institutional discrimination

    How many “generations”? — has the countdown to end the legalized ‘institutional reverse discrimination’ begun? — what proof of the “institutional discrimination” was offered?

    Reminds me of this story: Canadian man legally lists gender as female to get cheaper car insurance — “LOL”

  45. While Steve himself is obviously well aware of this, for anyone who isn’t, this story relates directly to a great column he wrote in Taki’s a few months ago, which expounds on the issue of affirmative action fraud (or the lack thereof) :

    http://takimag.com/article/the_affirmative_action_honor_system_steve_sailer/#axzz5F2E5UcdK

    (By the way, my chosen username is somewhat ironic here, since one could quip that Mr. Taylor attempted to steal valor from affirmative action receiving minorities.)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.
    And ... are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you ... y'know ... ?

    Replies: @Stolen Valor Detective

  46. • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnWEA4sVsAAzB7w.jpg

    , @J.Ross
    @eah

    This guy is a noisy nobody, he's so Zhirinovskoi that he's biting Malema's ankles. The real problems are still Africanization and the murder of vulnerable whites, neither of which have convenient spokespeople.
    That said I probably should have pointed out that the EFF I just linked to is unrelated to Malema's EFF or this guy's BLF.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

  47. @eah
    https://twitter.com/omgitsjfizzy/status/1042373880994656256

    Replies: @eah, @J.Ross

  48. @eah
    https://twitter.com/omgitsjfizzy/status/1042373880994656256

    Replies: @eah, @J.Ross

    This guy is a noisy nobody, he’s so Zhirinovskoi that he’s biting Malema’s ankles. The real problems are still Africanization and the murder of vulnerable whites, neither of which have convenient spokespeople.
    That said I probably should have pointed out that the EFF I just linked to is unrelated to Malema’s EFF or this guy’s BLF.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @J.Ross

    Just like Eddie Murphy but not as funny. Coming to America. Soon.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross

    EFF, BLF, BLT, BFF, MILF, BLMILF...

    WTF?

  49. @Stolen Valor Detective
    While Steve himself is obviously well aware of this, for anyone who isn't, this story relates directly to a great column he wrote in Taki's a few months ago, which expounds on the issue of affirmative action fraud (or the lack thereof) :

    http://takimag.com/article/the_affirmative_action_honor_system_steve_sailer/#axzz5F2E5UcdK

    (By the way, my chosen username is somewhat ironic here, since one could quip that Mr. Taylor attempted to steal valor from affirmative action receiving minorities.)

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.
    And … are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you … y’know … ?

    • Replies: @Stolen Valor Detective
    @J.Ross


    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.
     
    Of course not---but the point of my remark was that affirmative action fraud is to liberals what stolen valor fraud is to conservatives.

    And … are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you … y’know … ?
     
    I'm a special class of detective, some say the greatest, most important class. I detect stolen valor thieves, on the internet and in real life, by asking them about where they were deployed, what their MOS was, who their CO was, what the maximum speed of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is, whether the zebras in the top secret equine unit are black with white stripes or white with black stripes, et cetera.

    Replies: @Dtbb

  50. @Spud Boy
    "He provided no evidence he has suffered socially or economically because of race."

    Since when is that a requirement for a minority to receive special treatment?
    .
    .

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jake Barnes

    At a bare minimum, recepients should prove they were told to hurry up on an escalator *at least* once.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  51. and, then there are times when you must find humor to smite the cartel of SJWs:

    and, this…so funny’

  52. On Topic: Dayenu on Didjeridoo

    Aboriginal Jewish Woman appointed to uni post
    https://www.jta.org/2018/09/03/news-opinion/aboriginal-jewish-woman-appointed-deputy-vice-chancellor-university-sydney

    Lisa Jackson Pulver is the first known Aboriginal person to receive a PhD in medicine at the University of Sydney.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @J.Ross

    Shameless. If that's an Abo, I am a frog.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @J.Ross

    They should let her go loose.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @J.Ross


    Aboriginal Jewish Woman
     
    As a blond haired blue eyed six plus foot tall African Pygmy (according to the US Census since I first completed their retarded form in the 80’s), I think it’s great that Aboriginal Jews can mark such milestones.

    My only lament is that I didn’t have the creativity or foresight to be an Aboriginal Jewish African Pygmy myself..
  53. i would ‘hispanic’ would be pretty easy to ‘fake’ – didn’t some jewish guy claim he was hispanic because he was his ancestors were forced to flee to poland in 1491?

  54. @Sean c
    Don't we have a one drop rule in the US? Everyone needs to claim minority status. Overwhelm the system. Heck all males can now claim they are female anyone disagreeing will lose their job for transphobia. The left tells us that's our new values.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Cloward-Piven looking better every day.

  55. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Bring it on. I've been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic - but retain pride in their European heritage.

    The system is corrupt and out to destroy me and my kind. Why should I play by its rules.

    Screw the system as best as you can. It's not your system. It's out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define "black" or "Hispanic." Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the "authorities" are.

    Steve and others are doing their best to keep this rickety boat afloat. They don't seem to realize that we're on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Any semblence of what the United States once was, what that culture and people once were, is terminally ill. We're like a cancer patient where the disease has moved into the bones and the brain, but we still feel reasonable well. To people on street, we look pretty normal, though if you look close, you notice some signs that all is not well. But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.

    Look, I'm not claiming some silly civil war. I'm just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast. Accept that and realize that you own zero loyalty to what is replacing it.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Corvinus

    hmmm? I can’t speak for Steve, but I think many of us here, for several years now (can’t speak to some of you, venerables, from the beginning of iSteve), realize what is going on. We are basically, exchanging ideas to fight The Machine. We exchange ideas, comments, insults, and dumb stuff (mostly me) because we are inclined to do so. It is hard to watch the decline.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Lagertha

    I understand. Believe me, I understand. I've been reading iSteve for more than a decade. Very reluctantly, I've moved from cuckservative, to civic nationalist (Steve's position, at least as best as I can tell), to my current stance, which is the country - the nation - to which I felt a part of is dying and cannot be saved.

    I wish that it weren't so. And I have no idea what will replace it. I know only that this future country doesn't represent me, isn't my people and will seek harm against my kind.

    I'm groping in the dark to figure what is the next move for me and my children. Do I move? But where and would my wife and children, insulated from the madness by our money, want to move? Do I work to carve out a place for American whites in this new socieity? But so many of my fellow whites seem oblivous to what's happening.

    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.

    I'm sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it's late. I'll simply kiss my kids good night and crawl into bed with my wife. They will sleep well because they know not what comes.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @anonymous

  56. @Flip
    I had some business dealings with a pale, blonde guy with an Irish surname who was a certified American Indian business owner for affirmative action purposes with the Federal government. You would not have thought he was anything but European by looking at him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Buffalo Joe, @Almost Missouri

    “who was a certified American Indian business owner”

    Unlike the other versions of “minority” status, there is an objective qualification to be an American Indian: you have to be on the tribal rolls of a federally-recognized tribe. Now some of the tribes are … shall we say, pretty attenuated, but still, if the tribe accepts you as a member and the Feds recognize the tribe, then you are an Official Indian, no matter how red-headed and fair-complected you are. All the other “minority” statues are just, as Steve says, the honor system, which as others have noticed is kind of ironic given how dishonorable the system is altogether.

    For instance, Elizabeth Warren doesn’t appear on any tribal rolls, yet given her swift ascent through the Harvard hierarchy, she was almost certainly juicing her prospects with her fake American Indian ancestry claim. If Harvard were doing their due diligence, they would have asked her for a copy of the relevant tribal rolls, but they were probably just happy to have someone they cold tally as “minority” and so were content to take her spurious claim at face value without evidence, push their inflated “minority” number to the world, then keep mum about whether or not Warren was part of that number or not.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous

  57. @J.Ross
    @eah

    This guy is a noisy nobody, he's so Zhirinovskoi that he's biting Malema's ankles. The real problems are still Africanization and the murder of vulnerable whites, neither of which have convenient spokespeople.
    That said I probably should have pointed out that the EFF I just linked to is unrelated to Malema's EFF or this guy's BLF.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    Just like Eddie Murphy but not as funny. Coming to America. Soon.

  58. From the article:

    “The OMWBE decides on a case-by-case basis who qualifies”

    One thing I’ve learned over the years is that whenever a government agency says “case-by-case basis”, you can translate that as “we’re just making this sh*t up as we go along”.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @Almost Missouri

    Could be worse; it could mean "we are only gonna qualify our friends and family".

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  59. @Lowe
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I have worked at such a company, and while there were a large number of required training modules on ethics and compliance, there was no required training about racism or bias. I would not describe HR as ruling the roost either.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lowe

    How long ago were you at such a company?

    If it was more than a few years ago you have no idea how much things have changed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Every large company on the West Coast has sexual harassment training for all long term supervisory employees, which is defined broadly.

    They are about 2-3 hours typically, frequently around a catered lunch.

    It wasn't too bad in my experience, people need to know what the proper norms and legal rules are.

    , @Lowe
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    It was recent. I am sure this varies among companies, but my experience is that no employer wants to subject their employees to nonsense training, in defense or elsewhere. Defense has a mostly conservative culture, which factors in, as well.

    You are right that racial quotas are a huge deal there, both for employees and subcontractors. You are also right that the industry is a make-work program for engineers. The happy effect for the US military is an immense arsenal of weapons, but it is still a make-work program. Not very capitalist is what I mean.

  60. @J.Ross
    On Topic: Dayenu on Didjeridoo

    Aboriginal Jewish Woman appointed to uni post
    https://www.jta.org/2018/09/03/news-opinion/aboriginal-jewish-woman-appointed-deputy-vice-chancellor-university-sydney

    Lisa Jackson Pulver is the first known Aboriginal person to receive a PhD in medicine at the University of Sydney.
     
    http://azjewishpost.com/files/Lisa-Jackson-Pulver1.jpg

    Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Stan d Mute

    Shameless. If that’s an Abo, I am a frog.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    This statement would be illegal in Australia. People have been arrested and prosecuted for questioning the aboriginality of self-described aboriginals.

  61. @Almost Missouri
    From the article:

    "The OMWBE decides on a case-by-case basis who qualifies"
     
    One thing I've learned over the years is that whenever a government agency says "case-by-case basis", you can translate that as "we're just making this sh*t up as we go along".

    Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Could be worse; it could mean “we are only gonna qualify our friends and family”.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Often it does mean that.

  62. @Almost Missouri
    @Flip


    "who was a certified American Indian business owner"
     
    Unlike the other versions of "minority" status, there is an objective qualification to be an American Indian: you have to be on the tribal rolls of a federally-recognized tribe. Now some of the tribes are ... shall we say, pretty attenuated, but still, if the tribe accepts you as a member and the Feds recognize the tribe, then you are an Official Indian, no matter how red-headed and fair-complected you are. All the other "minority" statues are just, as Steve says, the honor system, which as others have noticed is kind of ironic given how dishonorable the system is altogether.

    For instance, Elizabeth Warren doesn't appear on any tribal rolls, yet given her swift ascent through the Harvard hierarchy, she was almost certainly juicing her prospects with her fake American Indian ancestry claim. If Harvard were doing their due diligence, they would have asked her for a copy of the relevant tribal rolls, but they were probably just happy to have someone they cold tally as "minority" and so were content to take her spurious claim at face value without evidence, push their inflated "minority" number to the world, then keep mum about whether or not Warren was part of that number or not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Steve Sailer

    Incentives work.

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.
     
    You are confusing "membership" in a government-registered Indian tribe with Indian ancestry.
  63. @Jim Don Bob
    @Flip

    There's a lot of that shite going on in the Federal guvmint where a small AA company "teams" with a big Beltway Bandit to get a contract. Guess who does most of the work?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A lot of government contractors’ businesses in the Beltway are registered under their wives’ names as woman owned businesses count as minority owned.

    • Replies: @Indiana Jack
    @Anonymous

    That isn't restricted to the D.C. area. Even in the Midwest where I live, there are many small business owners who register their businesses under their wives' or in some cases their mothers' names to help win contracts or qualify for loans.

    Replies: @anonymous

  64. @Buffalo Joe
    @Ibound1

    Ibound, certainly not. Elizabeth Warren qualifies as Amerindian because of her cheekbones.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    As a joke, I checked the Hispanic box on the PSAT a thousand years ago and received letters for Hispanic scholarships. That was back in high school when we used to have drunken parties and jump on top of girls.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    You know, I'm feeling left out because we had drunken parties and absolutely no one was molested. What on earth was wrong with us??

    OTOH, I could tell you stories about a couple of Navy doctors...

  65. @Lagertha
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    hmmm? I can't speak for Steve, but I think many of us here, for several years now (can't speak to some of you, venerables, from the beginning of iSteve), realize what is going on. We are basically, exchanging ideas to fight The Machine. We exchange ideas, comments, insults, and dumb stuff (mostly me) because we are inclined to do so. It is hard to watch the decline.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I understand. Believe me, I understand. I’ve been reading iSteve for more than a decade. Very reluctantly, I’ve moved from cuckservative, to civic nationalist (Steve’s position, at least as best as I can tell), to my current stance, which is the country – the nation – to which I felt a part of is dying and cannot be saved.

    I wish that it weren’t so. And I have no idea what will replace it. I know only that this future country doesn’t represent me, isn’t my people and will seek harm against my kind.

    I’m groping in the dark to figure what is the next move for me and my children. Do I move? But where and would my wife and children, insulated from the madness by our money, want to move? Do I work to carve out a place for American whites in this new socieity? But so many of my fellow whites seem oblivous to what’s happening.

    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.

    I’m sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it’s late. I’ll simply kiss my kids good night and crawl into bed with my wife. They will sleep well because they know not what comes.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    , @anonymous
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.
     
    The principal purpose of iSteve--for me, anyway--is so that I don't have to sing alone on the deck of the White Star Liner "MGY" as it inclines ever more rapidly.

    And this is one reason I have less than limitless patience with the privileged minorities here who assure us that they're kindred spirits. Even as they and theirs stand to profit handsomely from the coming wreckage forever after.

  66. @J.Ross
    @eah

    This guy is a noisy nobody, he's so Zhirinovskoi that he's biting Malema's ankles. The real problems are still Africanization and the murder of vulnerable whites, neither of which have convenient spokespeople.
    That said I probably should have pointed out that the EFF I just linked to is unrelated to Malema's EFF or this guy's BLF.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Reg Cæsar

    EFF, BLF, BLT, BFF, MILF, BLMILF…

    WTF?

  67. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous

    Incentives work.

  68. @J.Ross
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.
    And ... are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you ... y'know ... ?

    Replies: @Stolen Valor Detective

    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.

    Of course not—but the point of my remark was that affirmative action fraud is to liberals what stolen valor fraud is to conservatives.

    And … are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you … y’know … ?

    I’m a special class of detective, some say the greatest, most important class. I detect stolen valor thieves, on the internet and in real life, by asking them about where they were deployed, what their MOS was, who their CO was, what the maximum speed of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is, whether the zebras in the top secret equine unit are black with white stripes or white with black stripes, et cetera.

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    @Stolen Valor Detective

    Zebra goes to heaven and asks St. Peter; "am I white with black stripes or black with white stripes"? St. Peter demurs and says "go ask God". St. Peter sees the zebra later and asks "What did you find out"? The zebra says "He told me I was white with black stripes". St. Peter asked "What did He say"? The zebra answered "YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE". St. Peter gets a puzzled look and asks "How does that prove you are white with black stripes"? The zebra says "If I were black with white stripes He would have said 'YOU IS WHAT YOU IS'". Might have to reverse that joke now in the current year.

  69. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the “minority” in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    Dear boy, didn’t you get the memo? Whites are the hereditary majority.

    You simply must try to keep up…..

  70. @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    What a wonderful day that will be!
     
    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?

    A Mumbai/Chiraq mix everywhere? You betcha.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?”

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Corvinus


    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?”

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.
     
    https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/32757861541_11c33f6d2a_b.jpg

    https://dorsetchiapassolidarity.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/10354745_699662983422490_6674093125968396564_n.jpg

    Replies: @FLgeezer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    Then why don't you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  71. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Bring it on. I've been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic - but retain pride in their European heritage.

    The system is corrupt and out to destroy me and my kind. Why should I play by its rules.

    Screw the system as best as you can. It's not your system. It's out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define "black" or "Hispanic." Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the "authorities" are.

    Steve and others are doing their best to keep this rickety boat afloat. They don't seem to realize that we're on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Any semblence of what the United States once was, what that culture and people once were, is terminally ill. We're like a cancer patient where the disease has moved into the bones and the brain, but we still feel reasonable well. To people on street, we look pretty normal, though if you look close, you notice some signs that all is not well. But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.

    Look, I'm not claiming some silly civil war. I'm just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast. Accept that and realize that you own zero loyalty to what is replacing it.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Corvinus

    “Bring it on. I’ve been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic – but retain pride in their European heritage.”

    And be a hypocrite in the process.

    “Screw the system as best as you can. It’s not your system. It’s out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define “black” or “Hispanic.” Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the “authorities” are.”

    Most whites are not of your mindset. You work to FIX things.

    “But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.”

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.

    “I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast.”

    For YOU, but not for others.

    “I’m sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it’s late.”

    No, it’s not too late to “save” our nation. You create in your head that we can’t do anything to “save” our nation, and then bitch and moan about it until the cows come home. It’s pathetic to act like Chicken Little.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Corvinus


    I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast.”

    For YOU, but not for others.
     
    Obviously, dear boy. It's the Golden Age for Blacks and Latinx, the long-desired moment when they get to destroy Anglo-America...


    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_30/1139931/150724-julian-castro-jsw-03-245p_bcc7fb5179a9d94492d53849aae9df48.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg

    “But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.”

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.
     
    As opposed to the Whites who favor race suicide via mass immigration by non-Europeans....

    Replies: @Corvinus

  72. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Lagertha

    I understand. Believe me, I understand. I've been reading iSteve for more than a decade. Very reluctantly, I've moved from cuckservative, to civic nationalist (Steve's position, at least as best as I can tell), to my current stance, which is the country - the nation - to which I felt a part of is dying and cannot be saved.

    I wish that it weren't so. And I have no idea what will replace it. I know only that this future country doesn't represent me, isn't my people and will seek harm against my kind.

    I'm groping in the dark to figure what is the next move for me and my children. Do I move? But where and would my wife and children, insulated from the madness by our money, want to move? Do I work to carve out a place for American whites in this new socieity? But so many of my fellow whites seem oblivous to what's happening.

    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.

    I'm sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it's late. I'll simply kiss my kids good night and crawl into bed with my wife. They will sleep well because they know not what comes.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @anonymous

    You think it’s bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I’m turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of “oppression”. But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I’ve basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I’m just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university…. and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we’re fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can’t pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    somebody has to tend to your farm animals and land. That land, and animals will be very important in 30 years.Be aware...be paranoid - that is your strength - trust your town.

    , @L Woods
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The "popular white males" will end up better off than our ilk, sad to say. Being able to see the writing on the wall is really far less useful or rewarded than you might hope. That's what life over a decade after discovering iSteve and co (starting in my late teens) has taught me, anyway. Try to live your live the best you can -- don't bank on a "meaningful event" to bring hope or meaning into an otherwise empty life. It won't come, and you probably won't benefit from it even if it does.

    , @Anonymous
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    I’ve basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.
     
    Could you detail for us how you evolved, what caused the changes in your worldview?
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I wouldn't fall into despair. Things are changing quickly, and for the worse. You'll need to navigate your way through what's coming, but you will. More whites will wake up as the brown tide washes up closer and closer to their lives. Young whites, who won't be as isolated as older whites, will definitely start to wake up.

    There's not a lot that you can do now other than put yourself in the best spot that you can. Learn a good trade or, if you go to college, learn how to make good money. Go out and meet people. Join clubs. If you can, find a church that isn't ridiculously cucked. (Whites who go to church tend to either be total cucks or, very quietly, borderline white nationalists because they see how society is turning against the old school morals that were once taught in church. Find the good ones.)

    Find people who think that what's going on isn't right. They'll show hints. But be careful, it takes people awhile to realize the extent of what's happening. It probably took you a couple of years. Don't hit them with everything at once. Let them slowly come around. They will.

    Get a network of friends who you can trust. It'll take awhile, but they're out there. Then, start building a community. Whatever the future may look like, a community of whites who are proud of their heritage will be what you need to deal with what comes. Even if Canada ends up being a reasonably peaceful collection of squabbling ethnic groups, you'll need your community to get your piece of the pie. If things get a little more sketchy, you'll need that community even more. (Btw, I believe that the odds that they'll be some Balkans-like civil war in the future are about as close to zero as you can get, so better to prepare for a Brazil-like future.)

    Replies: @ussr andy, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    , @Anonymous
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    By end century there will be 100 million people in what is now Canada, most of them Asians of various kinds.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    , @Lagertha
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Don't despair: plan

    https://youtu.be/CyaTW_rpzLo

  73. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Wrong.

    White people are now a plurality in Toronto. Have they changed any classifications? Of course not. It’s now a “majority-visible minority” city.

    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian


    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.
     
    And they never will be. YT is the eternal enemy.
    , @Lagertha
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Corvinus is some kind of low-level academic, Marxist asshole - ignore him: ignore, ignore, ignore. He knows I hate his guts - easy!

    Replies: @Desiderius

  74. @Stolen Valor Detective
    @J.Ross


    There is pride but no valor in being born with a particular ancestry.
     
    Of course not---but the point of my remark was that affirmative action fraud is to liberals what stolen valor fraud is to conservatives.

    And … are you really a police officer who worked your way up to a proper office concerned with leading criminal investigations? Or are you … y’know … ?
     
    I'm a special class of detective, some say the greatest, most important class. I detect stolen valor thieves, on the internet and in real life, by asking them about where they were deployed, what their MOS was, who their CO was, what the maximum speed of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is, whether the zebras in the top secret equine unit are black with white stripes or white with black stripes, et cetera.

    Replies: @Dtbb

    Zebra goes to heaven and asks St. Peter; “am I white with black stripes or black with white stripes”? St. Peter demurs and says “go ask God”. St. Peter sees the zebra later and asks “What did you find out”? The zebra says “He told me I was white with black stripes”. St. Peter asked “What did He say”? The zebra answered “YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE”. St. Peter gets a puzzled look and asks “How does that prove you are white with black stripes”? The zebra says “If I were black with white stripes He would have said ‘YOU IS WHAT YOU IS’”. Might have to reverse that joke now in the current year.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  75. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    somebody has to tend to your farm animals and land. That land, and animals will be very important in 30 years.Be aware…be paranoid – that is your strength – trust your town.

  76. @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    "Bring it on. I’ve been arguing for years that whites should claim to be Hispanic – but retain pride in their European heritage."

    And be a hypocrite in the process.

    "Screw the system as best as you can. It’s not your system. It’s out to harm your people. Screw them. Force them to start giving people DNA tests. Push them to define “black” or “Hispanic.” Turn the whole show into a circus, which is what it is. This will push whites to realize what a joke the “authorities” are."

    Most whites are not of your mindset. You work to FIX things.

    "But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying."

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.

    "I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast."

    For YOU, but not for others.

    "I’m sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it’s late."

    No, it's not too late to "save" our nation. You create in your head that we can't do anything to "save" our nation, and then bitch and moan about it until the cows come home. It's pathetic to act like Chicken Little.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast.”

    For YOU, but not for others.

    Obviously, dear boy. It’s the Golden Age for Blacks and Latinx, the long-desired moment when they get to destroy Anglo-America…

    “But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.”

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.

    As opposed to the Whites who favor race suicide via mass immigration by non-Europeans….

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @syonredux

    It’s the Golden Age for Blacks and Latinx, the long-desired moment when they get to destroy Anglo-America…"

    Latinos or Hispanics, not Latinx. And America, not Anglo-America. Furthermore, our nation is not getting "destroyed" by certain groups.

    "As opposed to the Whites who favor race suicide via mass immigration by non-Europeans…."

    No, there are not white people who desire to or are complicit in or actively seek to "cull" their own kind.

  77. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Corvinus

    Wrong.

    White people are now a plurality in Toronto. Have they changed any classifications? Of course not. It's now a "majority-visible minority" city.

    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lagertha

    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.

    And they never will be. YT is the eternal enemy.

  78. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Corvinus

    Wrong.

    White people are now a plurality in Toronto. Have they changed any classifications? Of course not. It's now a "majority-visible minority" city.

    Last time I checked, whites are still not allowed affirmative action.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Lagertha

    Corvinus is some kind of low-level academic, Marxist asshole – ignore him: ignore, ignore, ignore. He knows I hate his guts – easy!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Lagertha

    He’s no academic. He’s paid by the Party to be our minder and try to pick off strays.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lagertha

  79. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?"

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mr. Anon

    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?”

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    @syonredux

    Thanks syon. That is once of the funniest post I've ever seen. 8-)

  80. Anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Lowe

    How long ago were you at such a company?

    If it was more than a few years ago you have no idea how much things have changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Lowe

    Every large company on the West Coast has sexual harassment training for all long term supervisory employees, which is defined broadly.

    They are about 2-3 hours typically, frequently around a catered lunch.

    It wasn’t too bad in my experience, people need to know what the proper norms and legal rules are.

  81. L Woods says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    The “popular white males” will end up better off than our ilk, sad to say. Being able to see the writing on the wall is really far less useful or rewarded than you might hope. That’s what life over a decade after discovering iSteve and co (starting in my late teens) has taught me, anyway. Try to live your live the best you can — don’t bank on a “meaningful event” to bring hope or meaning into an otherwise empty life. It won’t come, and you probably won’t benefit from it even if it does.

  82. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    The 98% Indian body shop H1b companies are all being sued for discriminating against whites and east asians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anon


    The 98% Indian body shop H1b companies are all being sued for discriminating against whites and east asians.
     
    These Indians don’t seem to understand how the body shops are supposed to be run. USG already knows the employees you want. Your “minority owner” job is to hire these employees and earn the profit twiddling your thumb while they do the work.

    #can’thavenicethings
  83. Anon[961] • Disclaimer says:

    The 9th circuit could punt on this, going with some procedural issue, or saying that the 23 and Me stuff is not prime time yet, and can’t be trusted.

    But they have to deal with this eventually.

    Will they:

    — Go with self identity?

    — Require evidence of “living and identifying as the minority” for a period of time?

    — Look at family trees?

    — Require visible minorityness in your facial phenotype?

    — Create one of those nightmare multi-item judicial tests?

    Whatever they do, it will be a big mess! If Rachel “Nkechi Amare Diallo” Dolenzal can’t be black, then it almost has to come down to a blood quantum test, which means that Shaun King has to get DNA tested? And then there’s the argument that that college professor wrote about, and Steve blogged, that after a few generations all trace of ancestors are lost (although, wierdly, 23 and Me seems to somehow jibe with everyone’s common sense).

    I suspect the eventual solution will be that Twitter is the final arbiter. White guys claiming to be black will be outed, they will be banned from social media, antifa will vandalize their businesses, VISA will withdraw their merchant services, and so on. Twitter hates Dolenzal and loves King. Problem solved. The correct result will ensue if Twitter decides. Do the rule will be self-identity prevails, but if we don’t like your choice, you will be destroyed.

  84. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes
    He’s too well-integrated.

    His application will be successful when he starts dressing the part and speaking in quaint ways...

    “My heart soars like a hawk to learn of your choice of this policy.”

    A change of name couldn’t hurt, either.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Dan_George

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My dad knew a guy who changed his name to “Roberto Eduardo Leon” and got a fat minority government contract with some agency. He went from being a $25K/year employee (that was good money then, Corvettes were under ten grand and houses maybe fifty, in the Midwest) to buying a brand new Beech King Air cash in five years and the hangar to park it in. (He would have bought a bizjet, but back then they all legally required a two man crew, and warjets weren’t a thing yet other than some decrepit single seat DH Vampires and the very occasional T-33 that escaped the smelter.)

    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
    @Anonymous

    I have a niece with the surname of "Sonia" who graduated from Harvard. Her grandfather was from PR; he turned out to be a bum who left my aunt with three kids. Niece could have applied to Harvard as a minority but she did it the old-fashioned way: Good grades.

    , @L Woods
    @Anonymous

    White Privilege, everyone.

  85. @J.Ross
    On Topic: Dayenu on Didjeridoo

    Aboriginal Jewish Woman appointed to uni post
    https://www.jta.org/2018/09/03/news-opinion/aboriginal-jewish-woman-appointed-deputy-vice-chancellor-university-sydney

    Lisa Jackson Pulver is the first known Aboriginal person to receive a PhD in medicine at the University of Sydney.
     
    http://azjewishpost.com/files/Lisa-Jackson-Pulver1.jpg

    Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Stan d Mute

    They should let her go loose.

  86. Government contracts is communism. I thought you bozos hated communism. You are so confused.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
  87. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    The 98% Indian body shop H1b companies are all being sued for discriminating against whites and east asians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The 98% Indian body shop H1b companies are all being sued for discriminating against whites and east asians.

    These Indians don’t seem to understand how the body shops are supposed to be run. USG already knows the employees you want. Your “minority owner” job is to hire these employees and earn the profit twiddling your thumb while they do the work.

    #can’thavenicethings

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  88. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    It would be wrong for them not to. It’s a corrupt system to its very core and if enough of us ‘woke’ whites game it thus (or any other way) there will be two most excellent outcomes. One, the vile, sclerotic system will implode due to its many internal contradictions and even better: Two, the only ones left on the outside will be white SJW types. O Happy Day!

    • Replies: @propagandist hacker
    @anonymous

    yes, every white man should have already claimed to be nonwhite on official documents...I myself have already done so...the man in the article posted by steve should have claimed to be hispanic...hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA...also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain...well, most of the USA was once owned by spain...yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including most of the South...that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that lived in north america in the 1800s, then you can claim to be hispanic...america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain...thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    this is a war being waged on whites by the elites...immigration is a weapon in that war, as is racial preferences...subverting the racial preferences system is one way of fighting back...i am about 90% british isles, but I have already claimed to be nonwhite on two different government documents...

    in the article sailer cited, it appears that the man in question had to fill out some form that asked about how he suffered from discrimination...well, sounds like he messed up on that one...he should have just made something up!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anon

  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buffalo Joe

    As a joke, I checked the Hispanic box on the PSAT a thousand years ago and received letters for Hispanic scholarships. That was back in high school when we used to have drunken parties and jump on top of girls.

    Replies: @anonymous

    You know, I’m feeling left out because we had drunken parties and absolutely no one was molested. What on earth was wrong with us??

    OTOH, I could tell you stories about a couple of Navy doctors…

  90. anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Lagertha

    I understand. Believe me, I understand. I've been reading iSteve for more than a decade. Very reluctantly, I've moved from cuckservative, to civic nationalist (Steve's position, at least as best as I can tell), to my current stance, which is the country - the nation - to which I felt a part of is dying and cannot be saved.

    I wish that it weren't so. And I have no idea what will replace it. I know only that this future country doesn't represent me, isn't my people and will seek harm against my kind.

    I'm groping in the dark to figure what is the next move for me and my children. Do I move? But where and would my wife and children, insulated from the madness by our money, want to move? Do I work to carve out a place for American whites in this new socieity? But so many of my fellow whites seem oblivous to what's happening.

    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.

    I'm sure that there is some Greek tragedy that I should quote, but it's late. I'll simply kiss my kids good night and crawl into bed with my wife. They will sleep well because they know not what comes.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @anonymous

    iSteve is a blessing and curse. You see the destruction of what you love but are powerless to do much about it. You see the future death of your people but can do little to stop it.

    The principal purpose of iSteve–for me, anyway–is so that I don’t have to sing alone on the deck of the White Star Liner “MGY” as it inclines ever more rapidly.

    And this is one reason I have less than limitless patience with the privileged minorities here who assure us that they’re kindred spirits. Even as they and theirs stand to profit handsomely from the coming wreckage forever after.

  91. @Hokie
    @Tyrion 2

    No, it is very common in history. Millets in the Ottoman Empire, the various privileges given to the altaic tribes under the Qing Dynasty, the Kalmyks in the Russian Empire, the rights the turkic tribes had in Safavid Persia, etc

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    Was that stuff celebrated? By those discriminated against?

  92. @anon215
    I was recently hired at a company that has to follow EEOC rules. You can bet your ass that I self-identified as African-American and that's what my file says. The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.

    I would advise everybody to switch to African-American for EEOC purposes.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.

    What law says that? Do you have a citation?

    • Replies: @Anon215
    @Anonymous

    EEOC Rules allow employees to self-identify:
    https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1survey/faq.cfm

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Thanks more than you know.

  93. @Buffalo Joe
    @Dtbb

    Dttb, I ran a bridge repair job where the expansion joints were to be installed by a minority contractor, a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.

    He received 500K and did no work?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous


    He received 500K and did no work?
     
    Not in New York State! Bison Joseph must be lying!
    , @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Cost of a single minority set-aside: $500K.
    Cost of that warm SJW feeling of helping the 'disadvantaged'.. PRICELESS!

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anon, the bid included the price off the joints.

  94. @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob

    A lot of government contractors' businesses in the Beltway are registered under their wives' names as woman owned businesses count as minority owned.

    Replies: @Indiana Jack

    That isn’t restricted to the D.C. area. Even in the Midwest where I live, there are many small business owners who register their businesses under their wives’ or in some cases their mothers’ names to help win contracts or qualify for loans.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Indiana Jack

    It happens everywhere in America, and has for generations. If it weren't for that, white people wouldn't be permitted to work at all. Start your own business? Try it. The government bureaucrats descend on you like a pack of locusts before you've even hung up your shingle. The hurdles they place in front of you at every turn can easily shut you down before you begin. MBE certification is by far the most effective way of dealing with them. Then you'll find out that many of the same bureaucrats are actually capable of helping rather than hindering. But it's the only way you'll ever learn that.

  95. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Quotas have been present in the defense industry for years.

    If you want to be a subcontractor or supplier to one of the large firms (Lockheed, Northrop), your best bet is emphasizing the fact that you are woman or minority-owned, regardless of the reality. Disabled and veteran ownership helps too. So far there isn't much push for LGBTQWERTY deviant-owned subs.

    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.

    Inside the big firms the HR sisterhood rules the roost and gets the best offices. Bias and anti-racism training is regularly scheduled. Ethics investigators are being hired at each division.

    The entire defense industry is largely a well-paid, make-work program for bright, white, male engineers. If they weren't depended on these firms for a check, they'd be sitting around, oh I dunno, planning how to replace the current system with something better...

    Replies: @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Seth Largo

    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.

    If only they would keep score which vendors employed American citizens versus not.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    You generally cannot get a security clearance if you are not a US citizen, otherwise the Feds would certainly be overrun with H1bs too.

  96. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous

    The thing with Warren is that as a law professor from Oklahoma she presumably knew all about how Indian Nation membership is up to each Indian Nation.

    You are confusing “membership” in a government-registered Indian tribe with Indian ancestry.

  97. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    I’ve basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    Could you detail for us how you evolved, what caused the changes in your worldview?

  98. Dave Bing, former NBA player turned businessman (Bing Steel, Bing Group) turned Mayor of the Great City of Detroit, worked the minority owned business grift really well. Thank God, with those same skills he was able to turn Detroit around.

  99. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.
     
    He received 500K and did no work?

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    He received 500K and did no work?

    Not in New York State! Bison Joseph must be lying!

  100. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2
    The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    Replies: @njguy73, @Hokie, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Alden

    What *is* unusual is for the discriminated against race (whites in this case) to ‘voluntarily’ institute discrimination against themselves in order to benefit another race or races.

    Surely this is unprecedented. Not only in human affairs and history, but in every single instance of manifest creation. One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese do it a little for their minorities. Of course, they aren't importing more minorities to give affirmative action to.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Seneca

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous


    One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.
     
    This.

    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn't take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Stan d Mute

  101. @anonymous
    @Ibound1


    Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?
     
    It would be wrong for them not to. It's a corrupt system to its very core and if enough of us 'woke' whites game it thus (or any other way) there will be two most excellent outcomes. One, the vile, sclerotic system will implode due to its many internal contradictions and even better: Two, the only ones left on the outside will be white SJW types. O Happy Day!

    Replies: @propagandist hacker

    yes, every white man should have already claimed to be nonwhite on official documents…I myself have already done so…the man in the article posted by steve should have claimed to be hispanic…hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA…also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain…well, most of the USA was once owned by spain…yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including most of the South…that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that lived in north america in the 1800s, then you can claim to be hispanic…america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain…thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    this is a war being waged on whites by the elites…immigration is a weapon in that war, as is racial preferences…subverting the racial preferences system is one way of fighting back…i am about 90% british isles, but I have already claimed to be nonwhite on two different government documents…

    in the article sailer cited, it appears that the man in question had to fill out some form that asked about how he suffered from discrimination…well, sounds like he messed up on that one…he should have just made something up!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @propagandist hacker


    "he should have just made something up!"
     
    In the current year, when society top to bottom is explicitly anti-white, I hardly think any white person needs to make something up to show discrimination. If anything, whites would have to leave something out: that they were discriminated against for being white.
    , @Anon
    @propagandist hacker

    He suffered the burden of the pale black who can pass. Whites microaggress him by doubting his blackness, and blacks resent him for beeping able to pass. The psychological pain must be nearly unbearable.

    By the way, he must be doing pretty well to finance a legal challenge to the federal circuit level.

  102. @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    What *is* unusual is for the discriminated against race (whites in this case) to 'voluntarily' institute discrimination against themselves in order to benefit another race or races.

    Surely this is unprecedented. Not only in human affairs and history, but in every single instance of manifest creation. One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    The Chinese do it a little for their minorities. Of course, they aren’t importing more minorities to give affirmative action to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Put it this way, the 'minorities' of China had or have their own distinctive ethnic homelands within the broad mass of the Chinese nation.
    Possibly, the Chinese version of AA is no more giving them what they are 'due' if they had their homelands to themselves.

    , @Seneca
    @Steve Sailer

    Living in China the last five years while teaching at one of its top schools.

    China is 90% Han and 10% other ethnic minorities. The ethnic minorities are comprised from 56 government recognized groups. They were exempt from the now defunct one child policy so their numbers actually increased slightly over the last couple of decades relative to the percentage of Han. They are given significant advantages in college admission (which in China is everything)

    Just like Blacks , Native Americans, and Hispanics in the USA the Chinese ethnic minorities in China can get into good schools with much lower exam scores.

    0ver the last couple of years there have been a bunch of "flight from Han" type newspaper articles across China. The articles report cases of Han people wrongly claiming that their mom, dad, granddad, grandmother etc. are or were minorities.

    Because through the centuries the Han have intermixed with most of these groups the situation is similar to the situation in the USA in that it is possible for a Han person to pretend they are a Chinese ethnic minority (just like some White people can pretend they are Native American, Hispanic, or even Black in some instances).

    To my untrained Western eye most (not all )of the minorities I have met are visually indistinguishable from the Han I know. I guess there are language, religious, and cultural differences but my Han friends admit to me that most minorities are difficult to identify by just looking.

    Overall, the Han Chinese are pretty smart and well informed (they keenly study the USA). So I do not think that they will commit cultural suicide or let the problem get out of hand.

    In 1964 when the USA was 90% White very few people anticipated Whites declining to 60% of the population in slightly over fifty years....The Chinese are aware of this and I doubt would tolerate a similar situation....

    That astute awareness is probably why at this very early stage of the problem in China you already have some "flight from Han " articles appearing.

  103. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA…also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain…well, most of the USA was once owned by spain…yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including much of the South…that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that was born in north america then you can claim to be hispanic…america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain…thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
    “The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano or hispánico) broadly refers to the people, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to the Spanish language or the country of Spain, depending on the context.

    It commonly applies to countries once under colonial possession by the Spanish Empire following Spanish colonization of the Americas, parts of the Asia-Pacific region and Africa. ”

    So, yes, your kids are hispanic and they should claim that birthright.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2
    @propagandist hacker

    If I were a Filipino in the US I would try to get out of the Asian and into the Hispanic category.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @stillCARealist
    @propagandist hacker

    What does it take to call yourself Latino? English descends mightily from Latin. The Romans colonized Britain for a while. I say Anglo-Americans can call themselves both Hispanic AND Latino.

    Replies: @Alden

  104. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Woods
    Good for him. The determination of privileged minority status may be the loose thread to unravel the whole rotten structure.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Massimo Heitor, @anon

    Don’t be ridiculous. This man will either (a) lose on some spurious grounds or (b) win, with his victory kept very quiet by the press. Meanwhile, the gravy train will roll on.

    If you think he is the first phony minority in the US to take advantage of gov’t largesse, then perhaps you’d be interested in these magic beans this cookbook written by Elizabeth Warren

  105. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    The lesson from Australia is that there is no limit to how absurd the powers that be will allow affirmative action to become rather than abandon it. Just ask Andrew Bolt – he’ll tell you, as long as it doesn’t breach the terms of his sentence…

    I’d love someone with more statistical nouse than I (and the requisite capacity for crimethink) to figure out whether the growth in the Aboriginal population is outpacing its birthrate. I suspect it is – because it’s more than ever before it’s profitable, financially and socially, to claim Aboriginal ancestry.

  106. @Tyrion 2
    The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    Replies: @njguy73, @Hokie, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Alden

    Not their skin color. Their designation as a “minority.” Different things.

  107. @Flip
    @Dtbb

    I had a friend who "sold" 51% of his company to his wife so they could qualify as female owned for government bidding purposes.

    Replies: @william munny

    I work with a lot of contractors and nearly every one of them is owned by a wife or mother.

  108. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    From time to time you see stories about white guys from Africa saying they are African-American on college applications or whatever.

  109. @propagandist hacker
    @Ibound1

    hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA…also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain…well, most of the USA was once owned by spain…yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including much of the South…that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that was born in north america then you can claim to be hispanic…america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain…thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas#/media/File:Spanish_America_XVIII_Century_(Most_Expansion).png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
    "The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano or hispánico) broadly refers to the people, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to the Spanish language or the country of Spain, depending on the context.

    It commonly applies to countries once under colonial possession by the Spanish Empire following Spanish colonization of the Americas, parts of the Asia-Pacific region and Africa. "

    So, yes, your kids are hispanic and they should claim that birthright.

    Replies: @GermanReader2, @stillCARealist

    If I were a Filipino in the US I would try to get out of the Asian and into the Hispanic category.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @GermanReader2

    Philipinos have their own category; Asian Pacific Islanders. Most, even the pale ethnic Chinese ones have Hispanic last names.
    Since American Philipinos are mostly middle class and Hispanics are getting more dumb low class criminal, philipinos should check Hispanic.
    The laws of affirmative action mandate that the dumbest most dysfunctional races be given jobs contracts and loans first.

  110. @Anonymous
    @anon215


    The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.
     
    What law says that? Do you have a citation?

    Replies: @Anon215, @Anonymous

    EEOC Rules allow employees to self-identify:
    https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1survey/faq.cfm

  111. From the Taki article:

    Also, due to the workings of the color line in dividing the marriage pools, there just weren’t that many Americans right along the borderline of white or black. A recent 23andMe study found that its self-identifying African-American customers were 385 times as sub-Saharan African genetically as its self-identifying white American customers.

    I think that could have been the beginning and end of your discussion of the black-white divide in the USA. Checking the box has worked up until now because only in very rare cases was there any dispute whether a person was white or black. Blacks were up to 20% European ancestry, rarely more, but whites were virtually all 100% European ancestry. We had a one-drop rule because we could. Whites in Latin America, by contrast, almost all had significant native or African admixture; our racial classifications could never have worked there. (Razib Khan has the statistics in one of his posts.) In the United States, the color line was more like the Berlin Wall. Partly because whites didn’t want to mix, but also because in most parts of the country there were no blacks to mix with.

  112. @syonredux
    @Corvinus


    I’m just saying that the country that we grew up with is fading and fading fast.”

    For YOU, but not for others.
     
    Obviously, dear boy. It's the Golden Age for Blacks and Latinx, the long-desired moment when they get to destroy Anglo-America...


    https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_30/1139931/150724-julian-castro-jsw-03-245p_bcc7fb5179a9d94492d53849aae9df48.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg

    “But make no mistake, the country that once was is dying.”

    No doubt it is injured, but white people generally seek to mend our nation.
     
    As opposed to the Whites who favor race suicide via mass immigration by non-Europeans....

    Replies: @Corvinus

    It’s the Golden Age for Blacks and Latinx, the long-desired moment when they get to destroy Anglo-America…”

    Latinos or Hispanics, not Latinx. And America, not Anglo-America. Furthermore, our nation is not getting “destroyed” by certain groups.

    “As opposed to the Whites who favor race suicide via mass immigration by non-Europeans….”

    No, there are not white people who desire to or are complicit in or actively seek to “cull” their own kind.

  113. Why do I have a feeling that social constructivism is not going to triumph in this venue?

  114. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @Almost Missouri

    Could be worse; it could mean "we are only gonna qualify our friends and family".

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Often it does mean that.

  115. Here’s a very interesting edge case, singer-songwriter Bobby Goldsboro from AM Gold’s most sacchariney era.

    In current photos, he looks like a paler Lionel Richie. Good mix of images old and new here:
    https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/bobby-goldsboro?sort=mostpopular&mediatype=photography&phrase=bobby%20goldsboro

    His extended family, which has owned a small-town flower shop in Alabama for decades, looks white.
    https://www.dothaneagle.com/news/local/dothan-s-first-flower-shop-a-bold-venture/article_78496cc8-e373-11e7-bf7c-33f58fcb0836.html

    His father: http://archive.sunsetmemorialpark.com/obituaries/charles-e-goldsborough/665/
    His mother: https://archive.sunsetmemorialpark.com/obituaries/nell-goldsborough/1001/

    He grew up in Jim Crow Alabama and attended Auburn when it was segregated. His first wife was white. His second wife, however, is in the Lena Horne spectrum.

    There’s an unusual story here that has not been told.

  116. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese do it a little for their minorities. Of course, they aren't importing more minorities to give affirmative action to.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Seneca

    Put it this way, the ‘minorities’ of China had or have their own distinctive ethnic homelands within the broad mass of the Chinese nation.
    Possibly, the Chinese version of AA is no more giving them what they are ‘due’ if they had their homelands to themselves.

  117. @Live Free or McRib
    I'm reminded of that 80s movie Soul Man.

    Replies: @South Texas Guy

    The reverse of which would be that movie starring then “Bruce” Jenner as a new quarterback at Grambling University because the school was too black.

  118. @propagandist hacker
    @anonymous

    yes, every white man should have already claimed to be nonwhite on official documents...I myself have already done so...the man in the article posted by steve should have claimed to be hispanic...hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA...also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain...well, most of the USA was once owned by spain...yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including most of the South...that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that lived in north america in the 1800s, then you can claim to be hispanic...america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain...thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    this is a war being waged on whites by the elites...immigration is a weapon in that war, as is racial preferences...subverting the racial preferences system is one way of fighting back...i am about 90% british isles, but I have already claimed to be nonwhite on two different government documents...

    in the article sailer cited, it appears that the man in question had to fill out some form that asked about how he suffered from discrimination...well, sounds like he messed up on that one...he should have just made something up!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    “he should have just made something up!”

    In the current year, when society top to bottom is explicitly anti-white, I hardly think any white person needs to make something up to show discrimination. If anything, whites would have to leave something out: that they were discriminated against for being white.

  119. @Corvinus
    @L Woods

    It's not a flight from white, it's a journey toward what is right. Ralph Cramden, no Jared Taylor, wait, I mean Ralph Taylor is a trailblazer!

    Just wait 20 years from now, when whites are in the "minority" in our glorious United States of America. Hotshot lawyers will be cleaning up for their Caucasian clients, who will deploy the Civil Rights Acts as their legal weapon of choice against the darkie forces of evil. What a wonderful day that will be!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQWhDvKEiSw

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous, @syonredux, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Anon, @Mr. Anon

    Was that supposed to be funny? You aren’t funny. You couldn’t be funny even if you fell down an open manhole. Though I would still encourage you to try.

  120. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    "Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?"

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Mr. Anon

    Then why don’t you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Mr. Anon

    "Then why don’t you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit."

    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It's in our history and it's in our blood.

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

  121. @Anonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.
     
    If only they would keep score which vendors employed American citizens versus not.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    You generally cannot get a security clearance if you are not a US citizen, otherwise the Feds would certainly be overrun with H1bs too.

  122. “Yakima man” who raked in millions under a minority set-aside program was “6 percent” African, black, African-American, whatever. In fractional, rather than percentage terms, that translates to about 1/16th black, meaning ONE of his GREAT GREAT grandparents was black, or, to put it another way, a grandparent was one quarter black. IOW, it’s the One Drop Rule, Writ Large. So, obviously, our court system must now shift to being an arbiter of “DNA testing” administered by mass-production mail-in labs, making assessments of ancestry based on very shaky assumptions about where various snippets of an incredibly complex organic molecule originated. Break out the popcorn, folks; 21st Century race-baiting is about to get REALLY interesting!

  123. @Anonymous
    @Cortes

    My dad knew a guy who changed his name to "Roberto Eduardo Leon" and got a fat minority government contract with some agency. He went from being a $25K/year employee (that was good money then, Corvettes were under ten grand and houses maybe fifty, in the Midwest) to buying a brand new Beech King Air cash in five years and the hangar to park it in. (He would have bought a bizjet, but back then they all legally required a two man crew, and warjets weren't a thing yet other than some decrepit single seat DH Vampires and the very occasional T-33 that escaped the smelter.)

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra, @L Woods

    I have a niece with the surname of “Sonia” who graduated from Harvard. Her grandfather was from PR; he turned out to be a bum who left my aunt with three kids. Niece could have applied to Harvard as a minority but she did it the old-fashioned way: Good grades.

  124. @syonredux
    @Corvinus


    Sorry, the phone system will be on the lam, postal service intermittent and you will have some trouble with the open-air latrine. Are you packing heat?”

    You are right, those things would occur with your children at the helm. Better leave such technical aspects to the experts.
     
    https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/32757861541_11c33f6d2a_b.jpg

    https://dorsetchiapassolidarity.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/10354745_699662983422490_6674093125968396564_n.jpg

    Replies: @FLgeezer

    Thanks syon. That is once of the funniest post I’ve ever seen. 😎

  125. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    I wouldn’t fall into despair. Things are changing quickly, and for the worse. You’ll need to navigate your way through what’s coming, but you will. More whites will wake up as the brown tide washes up closer and closer to their lives. Young whites, who won’t be as isolated as older whites, will definitely start to wake up.

    There’s not a lot that you can do now other than put yourself in the best spot that you can. Learn a good trade or, if you go to college, learn how to make good money. Go out and meet people. Join clubs. If you can, find a church that isn’t ridiculously cucked. (Whites who go to church tend to either be total cucks or, very quietly, borderline white nationalists because they see how society is turning against the old school morals that were once taught in church. Find the good ones.)

    Find people who think that what’s going on isn’t right. They’ll show hints. But be careful, it takes people awhile to realize the extent of what’s happening. It probably took you a couple of years. Don’t hit them with everything at once. Let them slowly come around. They will.

    Get a network of friends who you can trust. It’ll take awhile, but they’re out there. Then, start building a community. Whatever the future may look like, a community of whites who are proud of their heritage will be what you need to deal with what comes. Even if Canada ends up being a reasonably peaceful collection of squabbling ethnic groups, you’ll need your community to get your piece of the pie. If things get a little more sketchy, you’ll need that community even more. (Btw, I believe that the odds that they’ll be some Balkans-like civil war in the future are about as close to zero as you can get, so better to prepare for a Brazil-like future.)

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @ussr andy
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    can you elaborate on "build a community"? my mind paints some Jim Jones-type stuff, but of course you can't have meant that.

    aw, what the heck. I'm anonymous. Elaborate on "go out and meet" as well, pls :)

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I joined the Campus Conservatives club, but they were the biggest faggots I've ever seen. I went to a few meetings but didn't go after that.

    It's hard to meet people in class when my classes are almost entirely filled with imported third worlders. As much as this is depressing, I also blame white people for not sending their kids into STEM, and allowing them to study worthless majors like psychology. It's what happens when women are allowed to make decisions.

    My feeling I get from them is that they would be willing to respect their host country, under a strong and respectable white authority. However, most of the white people they meet are leftist losers (the foreign students only stay in the big population centers), so they act accordingly.

    I blame white folks more than the foreigners, for allowing this to happen. Either way, it's too late now and more and more whites are realizing their mistakes. Feminism is the root of everything, imo.

  126. @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    What *is* unusual is for the discriminated against race (whites in this case) to 'voluntarily' institute discrimination against themselves in order to benefit another race or races.

    Surely this is unprecedented. Not only in human affairs and history, but in every single instance of manifest creation. One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.

    This.

    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn’t take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Those maintaining it believe it to be, one way or another, supernatural. But maybe God doesn’t want his Olam Tikkuned with.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Citizen of a Silly Country


    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn’t take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.
     
    I have a pretty strong premonition it won’t end well..
  127. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @propagandist hacker
    @anonymous

    yes, every white man should have already claimed to be nonwhite on official documents...I myself have already done so...the man in the article posted by steve should have claimed to be hispanic...hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA...also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain...well, most of the USA was once owned by spain...yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including most of the South...that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that lived in north america in the 1800s, then you can claim to be hispanic...america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain...thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    this is a war being waged on whites by the elites...immigration is a weapon in that war, as is racial preferences...subverting the racial preferences system is one way of fighting back...i am about 90% british isles, but I have already claimed to be nonwhite on two different government documents...

    in the article sailer cited, it appears that the man in question had to fill out some form that asked about how he suffered from discrimination...well, sounds like he messed up on that one...he should have just made something up!

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    He suffered the burden of the pale black who can pass. Whites microaggress him by doubting his blackness, and blacks resent him for beeping able to pass. The psychological pain must be nearly unbearable.

    By the way, he must be doing pretty well to finance a legal challenge to the federal circuit level.

  128. @propagandist hacker
    @Ibound1

    hispanic is an ethnicity and has nothing to do with DNA…also under the wikipedia definition of hispanic, it is any person who has heritage from any of the new world nations colonized by spain…well, most of the USA was once owned by spain…yeah, everything west of the mississippi was owned by spain, as well as a lot of land east of the mississippi was owned by spain once, including much of the South…that was the case up until the early 1800s, so if you have an ancestor that was born in north america then you can claim to be hispanic…america is a nation formed out of a former colony of spain…thus we are hispanic, by definition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas#/media/File:Spanish_America_XVIII_Century_(Most_Expansion).png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic
    "The term Hispanic (Spanish: hispano or hispánico) broadly refers to the people, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to the Spanish language or the country of Spain, depending on the context.

    It commonly applies to countries once under colonial possession by the Spanish Empire following Spanish colonization of the Americas, parts of the Asia-Pacific region and Africa. "

    So, yes, your kids are hispanic and they should claim that birthright.

    Replies: @GermanReader2, @stillCARealist

    What does it take to call yourself Latino? English descends mightily from Latin. The Romans colonized Britain for a while. I say Anglo-Americans can call themselves both Hispanic AND Latino.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @stillCARealist

    Italians and Portuguese may be Latins but they are not Hispanic.
    The official term is Hispanic. When Richard Nixon created the executive order inventing the Hispanic race, the executive order specifically excluded Portugal and all it’s former colonies from the Hispanic race

    Portuguese may be Iberians but they are not Hispanic.

    Guess who wrote Nixon’s executive order inventing the Hispanic race just in time for the 1970 census?

    Anti White racist commie dominated Ford Foundatiin wrote the exec order inventing the Hispanic but not ibernian race.

  129. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous


    One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.
     
    This.

    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn't take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Stan d Mute

    Those maintaining it believe it to be, one way or another, supernatural. But maybe God doesn’t want his Olam Tikkuned with.

  130. @J.Ross
    On Topic: Dayenu on Didjeridoo

    Aboriginal Jewish Woman appointed to uni post
    https://www.jta.org/2018/09/03/news-opinion/aboriginal-jewish-woman-appointed-deputy-vice-chancellor-university-sydney

    Lisa Jackson Pulver is the first known Aboriginal person to receive a PhD in medicine at the University of Sydney.
     
    http://azjewishpost.com/files/Lisa-Jackson-Pulver1.jpg

    Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Stan d Mute

    Aboriginal Jewish Woman

    As a blond haired blue eyed six plus foot tall African Pygmy (according to the US Census since I first completed their retarded form in the 80’s), I think it’s great that Aboriginal Jews can mark such milestones.

    My only lament is that I didn’t have the creativity or foresight to be an Aboriginal Jewish African Pygmy myself..

  131. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Anonymous


    One could also venture to say that such a state of affairs is alien to the constitution of the Universe, and thus if it ever occurred in some time and place far far away and llong long ago, it, by inexorable law, wiped itself out.
     
    This.

    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn't take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Stan d Mute

    The current state of affairs is simply unnatural. And Nature, the mean bitch that she is, doesn’t take being disobeyed kindly. I have no idea how all of this will end, but end it will.

    I have a pretty strong premonition it won’t end well..

  132. @Lagertha
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Corvinus is some kind of low-level academic, Marxist asshole - ignore him: ignore, ignore, ignore. He knows I hate his guts - easy!

    Replies: @Desiderius

    He’s no academic. He’s paid by the Party to be our minder and try to pick off strays.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Desiderius

    Minder?

    , @Lagertha
    @Desiderius

    hmmmm...I always sensed that about Corv: he reminded me of the baby sitters my parents hired to watch over me and my even wilder, and crazier brothers. Clue: don't reason/bargain with children ;) ...especially, if they speak several languages - that was yuge! Corvinus reminded me of my 2nd (in the USA), 3rd, and 5th grade teachers...4th and 6th were amazing! 4th: a treasure who was 60 years old; 6th: a treasure who was 23 years old...a dude, btw - he's my FB friend! What was the difference?: my 4th and 6th grade teachers thought kids were great...they loved each and everyone of them, even if they suspended some of them at times - things were dif in the 70's.

  133. There are a few exceptions, anyone who is 80%+ white will pretty much look white and count as white.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @blahbahblah

    If you go on anthro/bio forums it's amazing how many White-looking Latin Americans are actually around 20% Indio. In my 20's I dated a quadroon (or less since Blacks are already mixed) who could easily - and did - pass as White (I only found out she was a quadroon after the fact...or act).*

    Maybe we should have race identification tribunals like Brazil? That would be a fun job!

    *As an interesting side note, every once in a while she would subtly express a distinctly Black mannerism. She was adopted by a White family (but eventually met her White birth mother), grew up in an all-White small town and all her friends were White. I was raised on the rougher side of a big city, across the street from a Black neighborhood (we were on the White side) and attended half-Black schools. Groups have personalities and genes are strong.

  134. This case makes for an excellent troll whether he realizes it or not.

  135. @Lowe
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I have worked at such a company, and while there were a large number of required training modules on ethics and compliance, there was no required training about racism or bias. I would not describe HR as ruling the roost either.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Lowe

    It was very recent. I am sure this kind of thing varies among companies, but my experience is that no employer wants to subject their employees to nonsense training. Defense has mostly a conservative culture, as well.

    Though I do agree with you that defense is largely a make-work program for engineers. The happy effect for the US military is an immense arsenal of weapons, but it is still a make-work program. Not very capitalist is what I mean.

  136. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Lowe

    How long ago were you at such a company?

    If it was more than a few years ago you have no idea how much things have changed.

    Replies: @Anon, @Lowe

    It was recent. I am sure this varies among companies, but my experience is that no employer wants to subject their employees to nonsense training, in defense or elsewhere. Defense has a mostly conservative culture, which factors in, as well.

    You are right that racial quotas are a huge deal there, both for employees and subcontractors. You are also right that the industry is a make-work program for engineers. The happy effect for the US military is an immense arsenal of weapons, but it is still a make-work program. Not very capitalist is what I mean.

  137. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    I have started identifying as African American on government paperwork.

    I’ve not yet been challenged but it would be easy to substantiate. After all, most (educated) people have heard of my famous aunt Lucy. We still regale our children with stories of what it was like in Oldevai Gorge before all the development and Starbucks and raycis gentrification so they can appreciate their African heritage just in time for college applications.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mark P Miller

    I’ve gotten jobs with the HR feminazi having the application with the black box checked right in front of her.
    All that matters is that they can send the black Hispanic Asian numbers to the EEOC.

    Check the black box, evade avoid taxes, do everything you can to take care of yourself and your family. Our government and elites want us dead. No other Whites will help you.

    And White mostly Protestant men did it all in just 15 years between 1956 and 1871. Granted the attorneys were Jewish communists but the judges White mostly Christians.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  138. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Quotas have been present in the defense industry for years.

    If you want to be a subcontractor or supplier to one of the large firms (Lockheed, Northrop), your best bet is emphasizing the fact that you are woman or minority-owned, regardless of the reality. Disabled and veteran ownership helps too. So far there isn't much push for LGBTQWERTY deviant-owned subs.

    This is because FedGov and the DoD keep score which vendors are getting the dollars from the big firms.

    Inside the big firms the HR sisterhood rules the roost and gets the best offices. Bias and anti-racism training is regularly scheduled. Ethics investigators are being hired at each division.

    The entire defense industry is largely a well-paid, make-work program for bright, white, male engineers. If they weren't depended on these firms for a check, they'd be sitting around, oh I dunno, planning how to replace the current system with something better...

    Replies: @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Seth Largo

    Yeah, those make-work projects, you know, like stealth bombers and recon jets and unmanned drones.

  139. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.
     
    He received 500K and did no work?

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    Cost of a single minority set-aside: $500K.
    Cost of that warm SJW feeling of helping the ‘disadvantaged’.. PRICELESS!

  140. @Indiana Jack
    @Anonymous

    That isn't restricted to the D.C. area. Even in the Midwest where I live, there are many small business owners who register their businesses under their wives' or in some cases their mothers' names to help win contracts or qualify for loans.

    Replies: @anonymous

    It happens everywhere in America, and has for generations. If it weren’t for that, white people wouldn’t be permitted to work at all. Start your own business? Try it. The government bureaucrats descend on you like a pack of locusts before you’ve even hung up your shingle. The hurdles they place in front of you at every turn can easily shut you down before you begin. MBE certification is by far the most effective way of dealing with them. Then you’ll find out that many of the same bureaucrats are actually capable of helping rather than hindering. But it’s the only way you’ll ever learn that.

  141. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    If your kids plan to be Democrats, they should shamelessly say they are Hispanic, but it could backfire if they are perceived as white Hispanics.
    If your kids plan to be Republicans, it’s dicey. They could turn out to be Marco Rubio’s or it goes badly for them.
    I think if they stay out of politics altogether, then go for it.
    Make sure they are aggrieved about all sorts of stuff such as the existence of other molecules in the atmosphere etc.

  142. can you elaborate on “build a community”? my mind paints some Jim Jones-type stuff, but of course you can’t have meant that.

    [MORE]

    aw, what the heck. I’m anonymous. Elaborate on “go out and meet” as well, pls 🙂

  143. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I wouldn't fall into despair. Things are changing quickly, and for the worse. You'll need to navigate your way through what's coming, but you will. More whites will wake up as the brown tide washes up closer and closer to their lives. Young whites, who won't be as isolated as older whites, will definitely start to wake up.

    There's not a lot that you can do now other than put yourself in the best spot that you can. Learn a good trade or, if you go to college, learn how to make good money. Go out and meet people. Join clubs. If you can, find a church that isn't ridiculously cucked. (Whites who go to church tend to either be total cucks or, very quietly, borderline white nationalists because they see how society is turning against the old school morals that were once taught in church. Find the good ones.)

    Find people who think that what's going on isn't right. They'll show hints. But be careful, it takes people awhile to realize the extent of what's happening. It probably took you a couple of years. Don't hit them with everything at once. Let them slowly come around. They will.

    Get a network of friends who you can trust. It'll take awhile, but they're out there. Then, start building a community. Whatever the future may look like, a community of whites who are proud of their heritage will be what you need to deal with what comes. Even if Canada ends up being a reasonably peaceful collection of squabbling ethnic groups, you'll need your community to get your piece of the pie. If things get a little more sketchy, you'll need that community even more. (Btw, I believe that the odds that they'll be some Balkans-like civil war in the future are about as close to zero as you can get, so better to prepare for a Brazil-like future.)

    Replies: @ussr andy, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    can you elaborate on “build a community”? my mind paints some Jim Jones-type stuff, but of course you can’t have meant that.

    [MORE]

    aw, what the heck. I’m anonymous. Elaborate on “go out and meet” as well, pls 🙂

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @ussr andy

    Simple. Just follow the template laid down by the Jews. Nothing creepy.

    We're all Jews now. Might as well act like it.

  144. @Anonymous
    @Cortes

    My dad knew a guy who changed his name to "Roberto Eduardo Leon" and got a fat minority government contract with some agency. He went from being a $25K/year employee (that was good money then, Corvettes were under ten grand and houses maybe fifty, in the Midwest) to buying a brand new Beech King Air cash in five years and the hangar to park it in. (He would have bought a bizjet, but back then they all legally required a two man crew, and warjets weren't a thing yet other than some decrepit single seat DH Vampires and the very occasional T-33 that escaped the smelter.)

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra, @L Woods

    White Privilege, everyone.

  145. @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus

    Then why don't you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Then why don’t you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit.”

    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It’s in our history and it’s in our blood.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Corvinus

    You are right Corvunus. USA is probably the most diverse nation on earth. Black Africans were 20 percent before the 1808 law forbidding importing more of them. That’s the largest percentage we ever had.

    Census says the city of San Francisco is only 33 percent Chinese. But since even gold rush descendant Chinese let alone illegals don’t fill out the census forms and they live 25 in a 1,50 sq ft house and garage there’s probably at least 60 percent Chinese in just one smallish city.


    USA has a bit of everything. Canada’s that way too.

    You’re right. Mr Anon’s wrong. USA is a lot more diverse than S Africa.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It’s in our history and it’s in our blood.
     
    Here is your history and your legacy:

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-human-waste-feces-homeless-Reddit-13044317.php

    Ennnnnnnjoy!
  146. @blahbahblah
    There are a few exceptions, anyone who is 80%+ white will pretty much look white and count as white.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    If you go on anthro/bio forums it’s amazing how many White-looking Latin Americans are actually around 20% Indio. In my 20’s I dated a quadroon (or less since Blacks are already mixed) who could easily – and did – pass as White (I only found out she was a quadroon after the fact…or act).*

    Maybe we should have race identification tribunals like Brazil? That would be a fun job!

    *As an interesting side note, every once in a while she would subtly express a distinctly Black mannerism. She was adopted by a White family (but eventually met her White birth mother), grew up in an all-White small town and all her friends were White. I was raised on the rougher side of a big city, across the street from a Black neighborhood (we were on the White side) and attended half-Black schools. Groups have personalities and genes are strong.

  147. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I wouldn't fall into despair. Things are changing quickly, and for the worse. You'll need to navigate your way through what's coming, but you will. More whites will wake up as the brown tide washes up closer and closer to their lives. Young whites, who won't be as isolated as older whites, will definitely start to wake up.

    There's not a lot that you can do now other than put yourself in the best spot that you can. Learn a good trade or, if you go to college, learn how to make good money. Go out and meet people. Join clubs. If you can, find a church that isn't ridiculously cucked. (Whites who go to church tend to either be total cucks or, very quietly, borderline white nationalists because they see how society is turning against the old school morals that were once taught in church. Find the good ones.)

    Find people who think that what's going on isn't right. They'll show hints. But be careful, it takes people awhile to realize the extent of what's happening. It probably took you a couple of years. Don't hit them with everything at once. Let them slowly come around. They will.

    Get a network of friends who you can trust. It'll take awhile, but they're out there. Then, start building a community. Whatever the future may look like, a community of whites who are proud of their heritage will be what you need to deal with what comes. Even if Canada ends up being a reasonably peaceful collection of squabbling ethnic groups, you'll need your community to get your piece of the pie. If things get a little more sketchy, you'll need that community even more. (Btw, I believe that the odds that they'll be some Balkans-like civil war in the future are about as close to zero as you can get, so better to prepare for a Brazil-like future.)

    Replies: @ussr andy, @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I joined the Campus Conservatives club, but they were the biggest faggots I’ve ever seen. I went to a few meetings but didn’t go after that.

    It’s hard to meet people in class when my classes are almost entirely filled with imported third worlders. As much as this is depressing, I also blame white people for not sending their kids into STEM, and allowing them to study worthless majors like psychology. It’s what happens when women are allowed to make decisions.

    My feeling I get from them is that they would be willing to respect their host country, under a strong and respectable white authority. However, most of the white people they meet are leftist losers (the foreign students only stay in the big population centers), so they act accordingly.

    I blame white folks more than the foreigners, for allowing this to happen. Either way, it’s too late now and more and more whites are realizing their mistakes. Feminism is the root of everything, imo.

  148. @Tyrion 2
    The government is literally handing out huge amounts of money to people on the basis of their skin colour, and the bureaucrats and broader culture are proud of this fact. Is this unique in human history?

    Replies: @njguy73, @Hokie, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Alden

    Not at all . some Manchus never worked and lived off large government pensions from the conquest of China in the 1600s to the end of the monarchy around 1910.

    In England only members of the established Church of England could practice most professions and occupations, attend college or be government contractors from the 1530s to the middle of the 19th century.

    The London School of Economics was established in the 19th century as the only college in the country non members of the Church of England could attend.

    Even Catholic Dukes and Lords were subject to the laws favoring only Church of England’s members.

    In Poland for hundreds of years by law only Jews were employed as tax collectors. They were not government employees. They were commission contractors who kept most of the money they collected.

    Most of the world for most of history has had systems where certain classes castes religious groups certain groups are favored by governments both de jure and de facto

    In America it’s been de jure since the 1968 affirmative action law.

    I don’t know why anyone’s surprised.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @Alden

    The Manchus were conquerors. The members of the CofE were the majority. The Jews in Poland were a caste apart used for the Aristocracy'a dirty work and hardly "celebrated" - executioners in England occupied a similar niche.

    In other news, if you want to know where the progressive (until death) craziness is advancing to next, always look at the motions passed by student bodies. In the UK such motions are being passed that make it child abuse to enforce gender on your child. That is you can not treat them or even refer to them as a boy or girl until they grow up and tell you themselves.

    20 years until this is law, I bet, if the insano-train keeps chugging.

  149. @Ibound1
    My wife is .1% American Indian and I am .2% Iberian according to 23 and Me. That pretty much makes my kids Mexican, considering that one may have been conceived in Cancun and we live in part of the country that was once Mexico and is probably considered Mexico by the Mexicans. Would it be wrong for them to say they are Hispanic on their college applications?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anonymous, @propagandist hacker, @william munny, @Mark P Miller, @Aardvark, @Alden

    Depends on the last name. If it looks Spanish check Hispanic. British French German even Swedish or Polish last name just check black or mixed race. If mixed check identify as black.

    Worked for my family. If you don’t want your children sent to the gulag or ending up homeless because of affirmative action check black or Hispanic when they enter kindergarten.

    Look at 1920s Russia. Those who fought the Jew communists were killed and their children grand children and great grandchildren were sent to the worst hardest most unhealthy jobs, the worst housing projects the worst health clinics.

    Those who joined the party got decent jobs housing and medical care.

    We are not even the untouchables. The liberals want us dead because we are White. If you’re not willing to check yourself minority do it for your children and your old age.

  150. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Anon

    "Then why don’t you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit."

    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It's in our history and it's in our blood.

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

    You are right Corvunus. USA is probably the most diverse nation on earth. Black Africans were 20 percent before the 1808 law forbidding importing more of them. That’s the largest percentage we ever had.

    Census says the city of San Francisco is only 33 percent Chinese. But since even gold rush descendant Chinese let alone illegals don’t fill out the census forms and they live 25 in a 1,50 sq ft house and garage there’s probably at least 60 percent Chinese in just one smallish city.

    USA has a bit of everything. Canada’s that way too.

    You’re right. Mr Anon’s wrong. USA is a lot more diverse than S Africa.

  151. @Mark P Miller
    @Ibound1

    I have started identifying as African American on government paperwork.

    I've not yet been challenged but it would be easy to substantiate. After all, most (educated) people have heard of my famous aunt Lucy. We still regale our children with stories of what it was like in Oldevai Gorge before all the development and Starbucks and raycis gentrification so they can appreciate their African heritage just in time for college applications.

    Replies: @Alden

    I’ve gotten jobs with the HR feminazi having the application with the black box checked right in front of her.
    All that matters is that they can send the black Hispanic Asian numbers to the EEOC.

    Check the black box, evade avoid taxes, do everything you can to take care of yourself and your family. Our government and elites want us dead. No other Whites will help you.

    And White mostly Protestant men did it all in just 15 years between 1956 and 1871. Granted the attorneys were Jewish communists but the judges White mostly Christians.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Alden


    No other Whites will help you.
     
    Sad, but true.
  152. @Desiderius
    @Lagertha

    He’s no academic. He’s paid by the Party to be our minder and try to pick off strays.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lagertha

    Minder?

  153. @stillCARealist
    @propagandist hacker

    What does it take to call yourself Latino? English descends mightily from Latin. The Romans colonized Britain for a while. I say Anglo-Americans can call themselves both Hispanic AND Latino.

    Replies: @Alden

    Italians and Portuguese may be Latins but they are not Hispanic.
    The official term is Hispanic. When Richard Nixon created the executive order inventing the Hispanic race, the executive order specifically excluded Portugal and all it’s former colonies from the Hispanic race

    Portuguese may be Iberians but they are not Hispanic.

    Guess who wrote Nixon’s executive order inventing the Hispanic race just in time for the 1970 census?

    Anti White racist commie dominated Ford Foundatiin wrote the exec order inventing the Hispanic but not ibernian race.

  154. @GermanReader2
    @propagandist hacker

    If I were a Filipino in the US I would try to get out of the Asian and into the Hispanic category.

    Replies: @Alden

    Philipinos have their own category; Asian Pacific Islanders. Most, even the pale ethnic Chinese ones have Hispanic last names.
    Since American Philipinos are mostly middle class and Hispanics are getting more dumb low class criminal, philipinos should check Hispanic.
    The laws of affirmative action mandate that the dumbest most dysfunctional races be given jobs contracts and loans first.

  155. @ussr andy
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    can you elaborate on "build a community"? my mind paints some Jim Jones-type stuff, but of course you can't have meant that.

    aw, what the heck. I'm anonymous. Elaborate on "go out and meet" as well, pls :)

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Simple. Just follow the template laid down by the Jews. Nothing creepy.

    We’re all Jews now. Might as well act like it.

  156. @Alden
    @Mark P Miller

    I’ve gotten jobs with the HR feminazi having the application with the black box checked right in front of her.
    All that matters is that they can send the black Hispanic Asian numbers to the EEOC.

    Check the black box, evade avoid taxes, do everything you can to take care of yourself and your family. Our government and elites want us dead. No other Whites will help you.

    And White mostly Protestant men did it all in just 15 years between 1956 and 1871. Granted the attorneys were Jewish communists but the judges White mostly Christians.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    No other Whites will help you.

    Sad, but true.

  157. @Corvinus
    @Mr. Anon

    "Then why don’t you go live in Brazil or South Africa and experience the joys of vibrant diversity first hand, you simpering nitwit."

    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It's in our history and it's in our blood.

    Replies: @Alden, @Mr. Anon

    The joys of diversity and its vibrancy are found here in the United States, where we live. It’s in our history and it’s in our blood.

    Here is your history and your legacy:

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-human-waste-feces-homeless-Reddit-13044317.php

    Ennnnnnnjoy!

  158. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    By end century there will be 100 million people in what is now Canada, most of them Asians of various kinds.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Anonymous

    Yup, there are around 25 million whites in Canada right now, which will decline to ??? Who knows. So Canada will be around 20% white by 2100, optimistically.

  159. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    You think it's bad for you, trying being aged 20 and navigating this shit. Not that I'm turning this into a figurative dick measuring contest of "oppression". But it seems that the older the age bracket, the more normalcy there seems to be. At least, they are more able to put on their blinders.

    I've basically followed your path ideologically, but through the span of 3 years.

    I have no idea what to do either and the future looks bleak. Right now I'm just perfecting myself, reading, working out, will soon be getting gun training,learning well at university.... and wait for some sort of meaningful event to happen.

    But quite frankly I think we're fucked, especially Canada, and if Trump can't pull off drastic action by 2024 then the West is on a path to sure death.

    At any rate, any young white male who is in Canada and is isolated like I am, is almost certainly to be developed into a nationalist of some kind. Popular white males with friends are just distracting themselves. The question is whether we will ever have the chance to stand up, or slowly just fade away.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @L Woods, @Anonymous, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @Lagertha

    Don’t despair: plan

  160. @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    @J.Ross

    Shameless. If that's an Abo, I am a frog.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This statement would be illegal in Australia. People have been arrested and prosecuted for questioning the aboriginality of self-described aboriginals.

  161. @Desiderius
    @Lagertha

    He’s no academic. He’s paid by the Party to be our minder and try to pick off strays.

    Replies: @Alden, @Lagertha

    hmmmm…I always sensed that about Corv: he reminded me of the baby sitters my parents hired to watch over me and my even wilder, and crazier brothers. Clue: don’t reason/bargain with children 😉 ...especially, if they speak several languages – that was yuge! Corvinus reminded me of my 2nd (in the USA), 3rd, and 5th grade teachers…4th and 6th were amazing! 4th: a treasure who was 60 years old; 6th: a treasure who was 23 years old…a dude, btw – he’s my FB friend! What was the difference?: my 4th and 6th grade teachers thought kids were great…they loved each and everyone of them, even if they suspended some of them at times – things were dif in the 70’s.

  162. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese do it a little for their minorities. Of course, they aren't importing more minorities to give affirmative action to.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Seneca

    Living in China the last five years while teaching at one of its top schools.

    China is 90% Han and 10% other ethnic minorities. The ethnic minorities are comprised from 56 government recognized groups. They were exempt from the now defunct one child policy so their numbers actually increased slightly over the last couple of decades relative to the percentage of Han. They are given significant advantages in college admission (which in China is everything)

    Just like Blacks , Native Americans, and Hispanics in the USA the Chinese ethnic minorities in China can get into good schools with much lower exam scores.

    0ver the last couple of years there have been a bunch of “flight from Han” type newspaper articles across China. The articles report cases of Han people wrongly claiming that their mom, dad, granddad, grandmother etc. are or were minorities.

    Because through the centuries the Han have intermixed with most of these groups the situation is similar to the situation in the USA in that it is possible for a Han person to pretend they are a Chinese ethnic minority (just like some White people can pretend they are Native American, Hispanic, or even Black in some instances).

    To my untrained Western eye most (not all )of the minorities I have met are visually indistinguishable from the Han I know. I guess there are language, religious, and cultural differences but my Han friends admit to me that most minorities are difficult to identify by just looking.

    Overall, the Han Chinese are pretty smart and well informed (they keenly study the USA). So I do not think that they will commit cultural suicide or let the problem get out of hand.

    In 1964 when the USA was 90% White very few people anticipated Whites declining to 60% of the population in slightly over fifty years….The Chinese are aware of this and I doubt would tolerate a similar situation….

    That astute awareness is probably why at this very early stage of the problem in China you already have some “flight from Han ” articles appearing.

  163. @Alden
    @Tyrion 2

    Not at all . some Manchus never worked and lived off large government pensions from the conquest of China in the 1600s to the end of the monarchy around 1910.

    In England only members of the established Church of England could practice most professions and occupations, attend college or be government contractors from the 1530s to the middle of the 19th century.

    The London School of Economics was established in the 19th century as the only college in the country non members of the Church of England could attend.

    Even Catholic Dukes and Lords were subject to the laws favoring only Church of England’s members.

    In Poland for hundreds of years by law only Jews were employed as tax collectors. They were not government employees. They were commission contractors who kept most of the money they collected.

    Most of the world for most of history has had systems where certain classes castes religious groups certain groups are favored by governments both de jure and de facto

    In America it’s been de jure since the 1968 affirmative action law.

    I don’t know why anyone’s surprised.

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    The Manchus were conquerors. The members of the CofE were the majority. The Jews in Poland were a caste apart used for the Aristocracy’a dirty work and hardly “celebrated” – executioners in England occupied a similar niche.

    In other news, if you want to know where the progressive (until death) craziness is advancing to next, always look at the motions passed by student bodies. In the UK such motions are being passed that make it child abuse to enforce gender on your child. That is you can not treat them or even refer to them as a boy or girl until they grow up and tell you themselves.

    20 years until this is law, I bet, if the insano-train keeps chugging.

  164. @Anonymous
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    By end century there will be 100 million people in what is now Canada, most of them Asians of various kinds.

    Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Yup, there are around 25 million whites in Canada right now, which will decline to ??? Who knows. So Canada will be around 20% white by 2100, optimistically.

  165. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    a bid of about $500K. Never met him and we installed the joints.
     
    He received 500K and did no work?

    Replies: @anon, @anonymous, @Buffalo Joe

    Anon, the bid included the price off the joints.

  166. Anonymous [AKA "Rgtitsme"] says:
    @Anonymous
    @anon215


    The law gives each employee the opportunity to self-identify (regardless of what some DNA test shows), and nobody can say otherwise.
     
    What law says that? Do you have a citation?

    Replies: @Anon215, @Anonymous

    Thanks more than you know.

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