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From the New York Times:
More than a decade ago, a prominent academic was exposed for having faked her Cherokee ancestry. Why has her career continued to thrive?
By Sarah Viren
May 25, 2021… J. Kehaulani Kauanui had just woken up. She was reading a story on her phone in bed, a confession written by a woman named Jessica Krug, when, quite suddenly, it yanked her into the past.
“To an escalating degree over my adult life, I have eschewed my lived experience as a white Jewish child in suburban Kansas City,” wrote Krug, a history professor who had for years identified — and published — as a Black and Latina scholar. “I have thought about ending these lies many times over many years,” she continued, “but my cowardice was always more powerful than my ethics.”
Krug was the Jewish but fake Puerto Rican professor of Grievance Studies who was really into salsa dancing and hoop earrings.
… But Kauanui wasn’t thinking about Krug; she was thinking about Andy.
Andy is Andrea Smith. She and Kauanui met almost 25 years earlier, when Kauanui was a 28-year-old graduate student in the history of consciousness program at the University of California, Santa Cruz
The History of Consciousness department’s most famous professor is Angela Davis (say his name: Judge Harold Haley).
It’s most famous graduate was Huey Newton.
Here’s Professor Andrea Smith:
When she squinches up her eyes, she look like maybe she’s part American Indian, a little.
But when Smith opens her eyes, she looks all white:
, and Smith was a young divinity student who planned to go there for her Ph.D. Kauanui served on the department’s admissions committee that year, and she still vividly remembers Smith’s application: how passionately she wrote about gender politics but also how clearly she defined her ethnic identity. “She positioned herself as Cherokee,” she told me. “She had something in the application that talked about what it meant for urban Native Americans away from homeland.”
Kauanui is Kanaka Maoli, or Native Hawaiian. But she grew up in Southern California, and she knew what it felt like to belong ancestrally to one place but be raised somewhere else. Part of her eventual dissertation, in fact, would look at that question of identity within the context of Hawaii, specifically the state’s comparably strict rules regarding who counts as Native and who doesn’t.
Dr. Kauanui, who looks like my late Aunt Betty, complained in her book Hawaiian Blood that the blood quantum rules governing who gets the benefits of being a Native Hawaiian are much too strict.
A glance at her photo would suggest why she came to this scholarly conclusion.
But throughout this article Kauanui is treated as an unimpeachably authentic Person of Color, the Moral Voice of the Racially Marginalized.
The thought of having not just another Native student at Santa Cruz but a student who understood how complex and complicated Native identities can be was thrilling to Kauanui, and she pushed for Smith’s acceptance and reached out to her as soon as she got in.
I.e., hiring based on race.
By the way, the NYT uses artsy graphics to occlude what the professors look like and distract readers. Here’s their version of the lady who claims to be Native Hawaiian:
Over time, the two became good friends just as Kauanui had hoped, though she quickly realized that Smith didn’t want to talk about her family or her Native roots. For years, all she would tell Kauanui was that she was from Long Beach, Calif.; that her mother was Oklahoma Cherokee, as were her grandparents; and that her dad, though out of the picture, was Ojibwe.
… When Krug confessed last September, her admission prompted the outings of a series of white people who had been masquerading in their fields over the years as Black, Latino or Indigenous — six in academia alone by the year’s end. And yet, unlike Krug or the others who confessed and then disappeared from the public eye, Smith never explained herself or the lies she told. She has never really had to. …
Has Senator-Professor Elizabeth Warren?
A Harvard graduate with long brown hair and pale skin, Andrea Smith began to make a name for herself in the early 1990s when she and her younger sister, Justine, moved to Chicago and started a local chapter of Women of All Red Nations, an activist organization that grew out of the American Indian Movement of the 1960s and ’70s. (Neither sister responded to multiple requests for comment for this article.) Although the sisters stayed in Chicago for only a few years, they made an impression: They helped organize a protest of the Columbus Day Parade and flew in Native activists to speak at community gatherings. And they also, says Katie Jones, a Cherokee woman who protested and organized alongside them, called out Native activists they thought weren’t “legit.”
“I watched them both go after this woman named Constance,” she told me. “Constance had showed up, she’d been living in Champaign and came to Chicago and tried to plug in with us, and they were like, ‘She is Portuguese, she is Black, but she’s not one of us; she’s lying, she’s a fake.’”
Although the United States has a long history of white people “playing Indian,” as the scholar Philip J. Deloria calls it in his book of the same name, the 1990s saw the beginning of what would eventually be significant pushback by Native Americans against so-called Pretendians or Pretend Indians, including the successful passage of a national law prohibiting non-Native people from marketing their art as “Indian.” Smith found her voice within that protest movement in 1991 when she published an essay in Ms. Magazine calling out white feminists and New Agers for co-opting Native identities.
“When white ‘feminists’ see how white people have historically oppressed others and how they are coming very close to destroying the earth, they often want to disassociate themselves from their whiteness,” Smith wrote. “They do this by opting to ‘become Indian.’ In this way, they can escape responsibility and accountability for white racism. Of course, white ‘feminists’ want to become only partly Indian. They do not want to be a part of our struggles for survival against genocide, and they do not want to fight for treaty rights or an end to substance abuse or sterilization abuse.”
… Simultaneously an “old guard Marxist,” a born-again Christian and an animal rights activist, Smith was the kind of person, Kauanui said, who once commented multiple times on the feelings of shellfish after someone ordered shrimp at lunch. But as the years passed, Smith mellowed. Kauanui thinks she realized that her dogma was off-putting. Easing up on her doctrinaire Marxism, she also developed a new fascination with celebrity gossip. “People in our program, they were doing cultural reads on Hollywood,” Kauanui said. “But to go from there to talking about which Hollywood star was bonking whom was totally another extreme. So she really went there and really committed. She knew about that stuff, and it was kind of her discussion fodder at conferences. And it made people laugh.”
It was in 2006, during their collaboration on a collection of essays by Native American women, that Kauanui first heard rumors about Smith’s identity. By then, the two had grown close, even as the trajectory of their careers had diverged. They had both graduated with doctoral degrees and landed jobs at well-regarded universities: Kauanui at Wesleyan University and Smith at the University of Michigan. But while Kauanui was developing a narrow expertise on Hawaiian indigeneity, Smith had become nothing less than “an icon of Native American feminism,” as the publication Colorlines later called her. She co-founded the national organization Incite! Women of Color Against Violence; was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for her advocacy work; and aligned herself with prominent activists, including her dissertation adviser Angela Davis and Winona LaDuke, who later wrote the introduction for Smith’s first book.
Say his name: Harold Haley.
… But the next year, Kauanui was shown confidential emails that complicated the narrative. In early 2007, an official from the Cherokee Nation began emailing Smith, asking about her connections to the Cherokees given that she wasn’t enrolled — a word used for citizens in a tribal nation. Smith’s responses were evasive, and reading them, Kauanui couldn’t figure out why she didn’t just clarify who her relatives were. It was, she came to realize, the first moment she really doubted Smith. But as so many others would later do, she brushed her concerns aside.
… Being “enrolled” in an American Indian tribe essentially means being a legal citizen of that tribal nation. It’s a status that can be passed down by parents who are also enrolled but also one that can be claimed, depending on the citizenship rules of each tribe, if an individual can prove he or she is a child, grandchild or at times even great-grandchild of someone who was a tribal member.
Every tribe has different rules. To be a Cherokee you have to have had an ancestor on the Dawes Rolls of 1907. So, you don’t have to be very Native American to be a Cherokee. Here’s a photo from a recent Cherokee Youth Summit:
On the other hand, if you are descended from multiple members of various tribes that use a quarter blood quantum threshold for membership, you could be noticeably American Indian without qualifying for any tribe.
As the Cherokee genealogical researcher David Cornsilk would later tell me, Smith couldn’t even do that: She had known since the 1990s that her family had no identifiable Native American roots, because Smith had hired Cornsilk to look for them and he found nothing.
Although he can no longer recall the exact dates, Cornsilk says Smith first asked him to research her mother’s side of the family in the early 1990s, when she was working as a Native organizer in Chicago. Near the end of the decade, she hired him again to look into her father’s side — around the time she was starting graduate school at Santa Cruz and introducing herself as Cherokee and also after she accepted the first of two Ford Foundation fellowships then earmarked for underrepresented groups in academia.
It’s almost as during the Affirmative Action Age (6. 1969), it’s been worse for your career to be a white.
After researching both sides of Smith’s family tree, Cornsilk concluded that she had no identifiable Native American relatives, enrolled or unenrolled or even living near those who were once enrolled. He says he sent off his report to her both times and never heard back. “She never said anything,” he told me. …
In the months that followed, however, Kauanui’s doubt grew into something harder, something she might have eventually verbalized if in February 2008 Smith hadn’t found herself in the middle of another crisis. She learned that the University of Michigan had denied her tenure, a decision in academia that is akin to being fired. The reasons were not stated — tenure decisions are confidential, and no one I’ve talked to knows why — but Smith’s supporters were outraged. They organized a petition to overturn the decision and held a one-day conference in Ann Arbor, with Angela Davis as a guest speaker [say his name: Judge Harold Hayley], to highlight the difficulties faced by female scholars of color. At that point, very few academics outside of Kauanui knew of the rumors about Smith’s identity, and a conference news release described her as “one of the greatest Indigenous feminist intellectuals of our time.”
… If this were like the other cases of ethnic fraud in academia, Smith’s story would end at this point. These stories have become common enough now that we can predict their narrative arc: They begin with a confrontation that then leads to a revelation, followed by outrage and sometimes an apology before the guilty party slips into obscurity. But with Smith the story just keeps going. She was called out, yes. She retreated briefly and even told Kauanui that her new 10-year plan was to “live a private life and work church bake sales.” But then she came back.
By the fall of 2008, Smith had a new job as an assistant professor of media and cultural studies at the University of California, Riverside …
After 2008, Smith no longer identified as Cherokee in her official bios, but she continued to identify as such for the panels, interviews and lectures she often spoke as a representative of Native American views and causes. At the same time, her younger sister, Justine, had begun building a career of her own in academia based, in part, on claiming a Cherokee identity. After graduating from the University of Wisconsin — where she received support from the McNair Program, which helps college students from underrepresented backgrounds — Justine began a doctorate in religion at Harvard University. In 2010, she was offered a visiting faculty position at the St. Paul School of Theology. A news release announcing the hire identified Justine as Cherokee and noted, “It is believed that she also will be the first full-time Native American woman to serve in any full-time faculty position in theological education in North America.”
The Cherokee Nation reached out to St. Paul after learning about Justine’s hire and discovered, according to an email I reviewed, that she had “obtained a Cherokee Nation citizenship card and had altered it.” St. Paul said that Justine was suspended after the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma raised concerns regarding her identity claims and was employed by the college for only three months. …
The University of California, Riverside, also issued a statement praising Smith as a “teacher and researcher of high merit,” noting that it could not, by law, consider ethnicity when making hiring or promotion decisions.
Of course, UCR violated Proposition 209 banning racial preferences when it hired Smith, but it could be dicey to fire Smith for not being the race she was hired to be.
When I began researching this article, I wanted to understand why stories like these seem to dominate one industry — my industry. As a white academic, I watched, aghast, as other white academics were outed for pretending to be scholars of color, both in real life and online. It seemed absurd to me at the time but also horrifying — in part because the outings coincided with a moment of national reckoning on questions of race and representation, and a number of universities, including mine, had recently committed to hiring more scholars of color. I kept wondering, as the former academic Ruby Zelzer posted on Twitter in September, “Academia, do we have a problem?” …
The fakes tend to be leftist women professors of Grievance Studies who got their jobs due to affirmative action and many also seem to have a fantasy that they are an Indian princess or a spicy salsa dancing queen or whatever.
All of this was a little bewildering to watch from the sidelines. Academia is an industry, like journalism, that defines itself in large part by its ethical standards; we’re supposed to educate people and produce knowledge. So what does it mean that we’re also a haven for fakes? Even more disturbing for me, as I began to learn about Smith’s story, was hearing similar stories that had gone untold — or, perhaps more accurately, unheard. Talking with Cornsilk, and with some of the Native scholars who signed the open letter, I learned about other academics falsely claiming to be Native American who came before or after Smith. It was the accumulation of such stories, not just Smith’s alone, that finally pushed many to speak out.
“There are so many fakes in academia,” said Kim TallBear, a Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate professor at the University of Alberta who said she was scared at first to sign the 2015 open letter. “It just felt like we needed to recognize the pervasiveness of the problem.”
… Of the 1,500 university educators listed as Native American at the time, said Bill Cross, who helped found the American Indian/Alaska Native Professors Association, “we’re looking realistically at one-third of those being Indians.” The most prominent example of this is Senator Elizabeth Warren, who was listed as Native American by both Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania Law School when she was on the faculty at those institutions and has since apologized for claiming that identity.
The Stanford geneticist Sen. Warren hired to analyze her DNA reported she was 1/256th American Indian, although Razib Khan says he was too conservative. Razib’s best guess is 1/64th.
… Figuring out Andrea Smith’s family history wasn’t easy, but halfway into my reporting I became determined to do that work …
Smith’s mother, Helen Jean Wilkinson, was born in a small town in Indiana to what appear to be middle-class parents: Her father was an engineer according to a death certificate, and her mother was at one point a trustee for Luce Township, a farming town of a little more than 2,000 on the Ohio River near Evansville. Their ancestors appear to have been mostly farmers and laborers in Kentucky and Indiana going back generations. … But neither Helen, nor her parents, nor her grandparents, nor her great-grandparents, nor her great-great-grandparents are listed in census records I found as anything other than white.
Helen went to Indiana University, where she worked on the yearbook staff and majored in business education. At some point after graduating, she moved to California, where she married a man named Donald R. Smith. They had two children, Andrea and then Justine, and divorced in 1968. Helen died in 2014 …
Donald R. Smith is alive, the woman confirmed, and he isn’t Ojibwe. He is a white man from Chicago who, like his daughters, is very smart. He was a nuclear physicist with the Pentagon before he retired, the relative told me. He has a degree from M.I.T.
One reason Smith’s career survived exposure of her affirmative action fraud is because she’s smarter than the average Grievance Studies prof. Another reason is because nobody in power wants to think about affirmative action fraud because nobody knows what the precise rules are. Finally people in power don’t want anybody to even think about affirmative action. They want to keep its existence on the public’s mental backburner.
His family are mostly of British ancestry, and no, he didn’t want to talk to me, but his relative wanted me to know that I was doing a good thing writing this article. “Honestly, integrity is everything in academics,” she said. “So let the truth out.”
… I found a cousin of Helen’s on her father’s side, a woman named Margaret Jane Wilkinson. She told me that Helen had never identified as Native American. But, she said, the family always claimed her grandfather on her mother’s side — the son of the police chief who shot a man in Owensboro — was American Indian.
That would be an Andrea Smith’s great-grandfather.
Eventually I found a woman named Barbara Smith, Helen’s cousin on her mother’s side, who remembered her grandfather — Mr. Pierce, as she called him. He wasn’t Native American, she said without hesitation, but there were rumors of Native ancestry in her family. She’d believed them, too, until she took a genetic test a couple years ago.
“We’re mostly Scandinavian,” she said.
The rumors could still be true if they go back to 18th Century America. With enough generations, randomness can just delete the DNA needed to prove even a valid genealogical family tree. But that’s a long way back.
When we hung up, I felt for a moment that I’d tracked down the truth about Smith. Yes, she had stories of Native American ancestors in her family, but like a lot of such stories, they weren’t based in fact.
… Even though most Native Studies scholars no longer work with Smith, she has begun publishing within adjacent fields, like ethnic studies, and has slowly built back a reputation.
It’s interesting what a large proportion of these Flight From White cases of whites pretending to be nonwhite (or vastly exaggerating their claim to be nonwhite), whether for the affirmative action benefits or for personal reasons, involve white leftist female academics, such as Senator Elizabeth Warren.
Outside of that particular demographic, however, American whites have been strikingly honorable about not faking claims to be entitled to racial quotas.
Granted, a couple of generations ago, there was a case of two Boston brothers who scored on the fire department hiring test too low to be hired as white applicants. So the next year they took it and scored high enough to be hired as blacks. It became a big scandal and they were subsequently fired. But you don’t hear of many other cases of white men passing themselves off as nonwhite for the racial preference benefits in police and fire jobs.
In contrast, in Brazil, there are constant controversies over whether claimants racially deserve their affirmative action benefit.
But white Americans, other than leftist female academics, seem much more honorable about race.
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Let’s recap: This is now 2021. By the early 1990s, Andrea Smith knew she was not Native after hiring tribal genealogist David Cornsilk, who comprehensively traced her lineage and told her what she didn’t want to hear: she had no Native descendants, much less Cherokee. Turns out her mom grew up in an educated, middle class family, and dad was a nuclear physicist for the Pentagon. In other words, Andrea Smith grew up with all of the comforts and advantages afforded to highly educated, economically prosperous whites. She then used those advantages to continue to pass as Native; aggressively diss others whom she deemed fake Indians; and secured $100,000s in fellowships and grants intended to assist disadvantaged students to earn her PhD and secure jobs while continuing to enjoy opportunities that she essentially stole from others. Those who have called her to accountability have suffered more for doing so, than Smith has suffered for lying and continuing to do so. The article does not mention it, but Smith also recently earned her JD from UC Irvine’s law school, where she gained admission and funding as a self-identified Native student–all while still earning a paycheck as a tenured professor at UC Riverside. Her enabling colleagues at UC Riverside continue to bury their heads in the sand. Once again it will fall to their students to read this piece, and others, to shed light on this now-decades-long case of academic fraud.
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How much consciousness do banana slugs possess?
Sen. Henry Dawes was a cousin of Vice President Charles G Dawes, who composed a little tune that later became an international hit as “It’s All In the Game”. Somehow that title seems appropriate here.
https://youtu.be/ZLHOfNL5M6oReplies: @ScarletNumber
I always assumed it was because banana slugs are one of the coolest things about N California. At least to kids who like to capture and torture them. In summer when it’s dry they actually shrink and get a darker color. A good misty foggy winter and they absorb water and triple in size and change from muddy yellow to true yellow. You can put them in a container of salt and watch them shrink. They are ugly too in a fascinating way.
I believe the state established UCSC because even communist UC Berkeley was much too conservative The communist liberal elites needed a refuge for the most radical of the radicals . I believe Huey Newton was in prison when he got his PHD. As I remember it was plain old American history.
Friend offered me her newspaper this morning. Entire front section devoted to Hideous George. Page after page of Floyd.
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The last time you posted a photo of this group the girls were prettier and not so fat.
Yes. Just because you don’t believe or like her explanation doesn’t mean she didn’t do so. Remember, as George Costanza said, it’s not a lie if you believe it.
Perhaps they are readying themselves for the harsh winter months ahead.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Why are there so many incels in conservative circles?Replies: @Alden, @ScarletNumber
Well, Deloria would certainly know a thing or two about “playing Indian:”
Met the guy at a conference once. He seemed OK. His father, though, was a real nutjob:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_Deloria_Jr.
She’s smarter than fake American Indian Ward Churchill, who mouthed -off enough to get himself fired from his cushy tenured professorship at the U of Colorado Boulder. Churchill’s story is interesting because he parlayed fake-Indianhood into a tenured professorship without an advanced degree, starting from the base of being a lowly drone in the university’s affirmative-action office. Maybe that achievement made him too cocky to recognize when he was risking his comfy gig by insulting the 9-11 martyrs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill
When I get real drunk, my dog looks like she’s part wolf.
It’s almost as though we should give up this racial parsing
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When I get real drunk, my dog looks like she’s part wolf.
It’s almost as though we should give up this racial parsing that our Hebrew Overlords have made this nation’s State Religion. It’s vaguely reminiscent of the Third Reich–someone really should tell them.
When white people see how totally evil white people are and have always been, it’s natural for them to hate themselves, and yearn for the destruction of their people. AKA our Overlords’ handiwork.
Presuming Mr. Sailer’s indulgence …
https://youtu.be/ZLHOfNL5M6oReplies: @ScarletNumber
I think Steve prefers the Paul Revere version.
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Another one. By contemporary rules, Elizabeth Warren should have been ruined some time ago.
The world would have come to a total temporary halt if it was Bush spooge on Lewinsky's dress. But if you point this out there isn't any point in doing so.
Well, many of the kids in the Cherokee Youth Summit look like the slaveowners their ancestors were.
Not just the white slave owners, but the removed Cherokee and others owned slaves.
Not to mention that many (not all) OK Indians fought for the Confederacy.
It’s quite amazing that affirmative action works at all without any verification. Why doesn’t every Asian claim to have Pacific/Hispanic/Native/Black ancestry for example? Who is going to dare question their minority status?
That’s what I told my Dad when a 23andMe test that I got him for his birthday showed that he had zero Amerind DNA. He’s from Oklahoma, and family lore said that he was part-Amerind. I told him that maybe the Amerind ancestor was only fractionally Amerind and the genes had been “washed out.”
I’m actually a bona fide member of a plains Indian tribe but, along with about two-thirds of the registered members, I’ve never lived on the reservation, and have no desire to. I remember the first time as a kid I visited the place with my family. I kept saying to myself, please God don’t let me be related to these people. It turned out the relatives we had come to visit were okay and I grew quite fond of some of them.
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that’s what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican — correction: Amerexican — friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn’t know who they are and doesn’t want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.
Your type of virtue is why white men are doomed to second class status, which they will accept with grace and equanimity like the pussies that they are.Replies: @fish
I think this is a sore point for a lot of people. There's a big push for affirmative action toward aborigines in Australia. If it was helping the people living in poverty in remote parts of Australia few would object, but most of those jobs are going to city slickers who look like they could step into The Brady Bunch without raising an eyebrow.
Most normal Americans aren't running around obsessed with their whateverness. They are just living their lives as Americans.
Or at least that's how it used to be ... now maybe there are more of them than us.
The best way to end this sort of thing would be to end affirmative action. Giving people jobs on the basis of their racial or ethnic background invites this sort of corruption.
Over the last twenty years more and more whites are claiming to be part Indian.
On the 2000 census 4.1 million self-identified as Indian
On the 2010 census 5.2 million self-identified as Indian
on the 2020 census ~8 million will self-identify as Indian.
The Native American population has grown 100% during the last 20 years as the White population has not grown and has actually declined over the past decade. The American Indian population has been growing fast then any other minority group in the United states, which is amazing since American Indians are not migrating into America, they are all born in the United States.
My grandmother claims to be 1/4 (or is it 1/8) Native American, which of course would make me…
Well, actually, it is my step-grandma (my grandfather remarried around the time I was born), but, hey, I have always been quite fond of her…
Clearly, I have missed out on claiming to be Native American!
By the way, this is not a joke: this is what my step-grandmother claims, and I have every reason to believe that she is telling the truth.
But of course neither she nor I nor anyone in the family has tried to exploit these facts for personal gain. We’re Americans: we have certain standards of behavior.
Women theology and classics students/professors are the least attractive. I don’t know why, but it’s true.
“But when Smith opens her eyes, she looks all white”
With her eyes wide open, Smith looks like she can pass for being the late John Denver’s baby sister. Perhaps John Denver had some American Indian blood, which would make it all right.
It’s understandable that women would want to be “racially Mongoloid”, since there is a massive pile of experimental research, dating studies, and personal experiences, to indicate that that these women are the most beautiful, and most desired by men. White women are also envious that women of color get a more masochistic narrative in the media, whereas white women are basically the other half of the imperial race (which doesn’t do much to bolster their feminine appeal).
This is not my opinion but the truth.
Where is all this research you cite?Replies: @Anonymous
Recently I came up with a fun new card game I’ve been trying to sell to Hasbro: Foreign or Funny-Looking?
The game consists of a pack of 200 or so cards, each with a picture of somebody on it. The players simply have to guess whether the person pictured is, for instance, a normal-looking Asian man, or a white guy with unusually slanty eyes. Is that a Sicilian, or a Berber that’s been out of the sun?
I haven’t heard back yet.
They should form their own Nation: the Fakotas. Maybe open a casino.
Native American has to be the easiest identity to co-opt for middle class whites who want some victim points. I think young women find it easy to ‘be gay’ for a while at college too.
I once saw a beggar in the West End of London, ‘performing’ as a beggar. When the theatre goers passed by he would drape himself over the curb, one hand in the air, pleading in a croaky voice for spare change. Once the guilty liberals had passed he would get up again, and then the performance would repeat when the next crowd came. A better performance than any on stage that night. Wanting to be an ‘oppressed’ minority is pretty similar.
“she knew what it felt like to belong ancestrally to one place but be raised somewhere else”
Golly, just like every white and black American.
He may still have native DNA, just not what they are specifically testing for. I’ve never looked into the specifics of any of these tests, but they are just testing for certain, specific sequences that are commonly found in certain races. So it’s probably more common than most realize to end up not showing ancestry that’s actually in your family tree.
If she were nearer the bottom of the progressive stack, she probably would be ruined.
That’ll happen when they start to get lumped together with whites as punishment for their incessant overachieving.
All of these race frauds are the true heroes of the day. We need more of them.
When the Krug scandal hit, I remember watching many lefties struggle with the fact that if Krug had just been White, she would have been a mediocre scholar at best, and that it was solely her “race” that catapulted her into the academic limelight.
You’ll never get a lefty to admit that an actual POC is mediocre, but these frauds really pull back the curtain on the whole thing. It’s marvelous.
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that's what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican -- correction: Amerexican -- friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn't know who they are and doesn't want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Blodgie, @photondancer, @Jack D, @AnotherDad
That’s a sure-fire way of telling he’s not white, BTW
To be fair, Liz Warren started out in academia as something of a free marketer and was a registered republican teaching in law schools after her first claims to native ancestry. Her leftism only came later.
Unlike Judge Haley, not a single “educator” mentioned here adds any value to our country.
What’s it like to be a part-time Native American anyway? Do you have to learn to park cars as well as rope horses? I think they meant that Runs with Grievances, aka Andrea Smith, was a Native American on a TDY, so to speak, from the White world. Doctors love those Latin words to confuse people, so they would say this professor was doing Locum Tenens in the Red Man’s ward.
Really, I think what pisses off the people who root out these Pretendians and fakes Sistas is that they and their whole “industry” have been duped for so long. All those students of Grievance Studies whom Professor Smith taught, all those colleagues at the meetings, and all the conference attendees were being lectured to on material that was not authentic. Since this material is important, apparently, requiring University departments and such, then there’s a whole world of bad information out there.
The problem is that no one could see right away it was all wrong information, and call it out, because, well … errr, it’s nothing but a whole bunch of bullshit. See, in the Engineering world, for example, one wouldn’t run into this sort of problem.
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* Yeah, I know this was likely a typo or brain-fart due to its use on the 2nd part of the sentence.
Maybe stole back?
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Met the guy at a conference once. He seemed OK. His father, though, was a real nutjob:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_Deloria_Jr.Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
Vine Deloria was a big time faker. For instance, he promoted as “Native American Bible” famous work authored by John Neihardt, “Black Elk Speaks”, about Ogalala medicine man Black Elk.
I’ve read it, and it’s a powerful quasi-autobiography. Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell have been full of praise.
But it is also tendentious & ultimately wrong. It depicts Black Elk as a tragic loser whose spiritual practices, including Ghost Dance religion, have been quashed by white man. Just -nothing could further from reality. Black Elk converted to Catholicism & spent more than 40 years as Catholic cathehist (he died in his 86). He wasn’t defeated by life, nor did he consider his former life as a medicine man as something authentic, but futile; it is evident his position was that his shamanism- to call it that- was just a first step in his spiritual journey, and that Ogalala Sioux, in Black Elk’s view, were not a defeated people, but an ethnos going through transition to a more fulfilled life.
I think that the Church is working on Black Elk’s sainthood, so that Neihardt, Deloria & others are, basically, fakers.
Women’s writing is excruciating. Exception being “Stalked by the Big Tech Billionaire” subtitle “and I do mean BIG”.
Sample : The billionaire peeled off his shirt. He had been working out at the gym, and it showed!
That’s 52 years, most of everyone reading and blogging here’s lives. Can you go on record for us, please, Mr. Sailer as to whether you are for or against Affirmative Action?
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that's what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican -- correction: Amerexican -- friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn't know who they are and doesn't want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Blodgie, @photondancer, @Jack D, @AnotherDad
You are a fool not to use any and all means to get ahead
Your type of virtue is why white men are doomed to second class status, which they will accept with grace and equanimity like the pussies that they are.
The most beautiful women are blonde women, not some funky admixture.
This is not my opinion but the truth.
Where is all this research you cite?
Blond women = Skeletor. It's not a good look for women.https://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2015/09/blond-sexy-and-immigranthttps://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.pngReplies: @Nico
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that's what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican -- correction: Amerexican -- friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn't know who they are and doesn't want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Blodgie, @photondancer, @Jack D, @AnotherDad
“I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that’s what affirmative action should be for, and only that.”
I think this is a sore point for a lot of people. There’s a big push for affirmative action toward aborigines in Australia. If it was helping the people living in poverty in remote parts of Australia few would object, but most of those jobs are going to city slickers who look like they could step into The Brady Bunch without raising an eyebrow.
I skimmed it– is the upshot that the Hawaiian detective lady this many years on has no plausible argument that she’s righting any tangible ongoing wrong, and is merely pursuing like a social-media Ahab the fake Indian woman everyone who needed to already knew about? Lola Montez, thou shouldst be living at this hour
Stolen BIPOC valor is going to be, by its nature, full of intrigue; and I accept that NY Times subscribers will pay top dollar for topical sagas of “Nancy Drew and the Case of the Overproduction of Elites…” however, even Asians have finally lost respect for the prestige of Western academia. Perhaps not coincidentally with the ascent of the yuppie Hawaiian post-racial man, that whole profession has been clowned up and down non-stop whenever anyone asks. It is literally a laugh line now. Boards of trustees are picking people to be presidents of universities now who reply, “No thanks, I’m good. Good luck on your search.” What else can be said, in that situation, except… “Forget it, Jake, it’s the Titanic of Chinatown”
“…look like the slaveowners their ancestors were.”
Not just the white slave owners, but the removed Cherokee and others owned slaves.
Not to mention that many (not all) OK Indians fought for the Confederacy.
This brought to mind a line from “Absolutely Fabulous”: “Your whole life hangs off my cheekbones.”
In the 40’s, my aunt had a summer job teaching Indian crafts to Indians in western NC for the then-new tourist trade.
My mother once told me we were related to the Carter and Custis first families of Virginia (FFVs), who actually weren’t, chronologically speaking. Decades later, my sister got the bug and found several lines in 1600’s Virginia, but no Carter or Custis. I suppose a sibling or cousin might have married one.
These people get caught because they try to make a career out of being a professional, visible POC. Everyone should be claiming to be part POC for the bennies, but don’t try to make a career based on the lie.
Buffalo Joe- speakings of Indians and Universities, have the Thompsons weighed in on his topic?
And a question for you- do Western New York Indians of your acquaintance refer to themselves as ‘Indians’? Nearly all of the Sioux and Chippewa I knew growing up in the Land of 10, 000 Lakes used the term ‘Indian’.
I had a couple of lax players who claimed to be members of one of the Northeast’s recently reconstituted tribes (Thanks, Billy Clinton!) When they said I should use the term ‘Native American’, i just shrugged and said I had been born in Midway Hospital, St. Paul, MN; as far as I was concerned that made me a Native American. Probably get fired for that today.
Well, we all need an identity and a project. What’s wrong with the world, that so many women find fake identities and even worse projects?
I was 14 when the world came to an end, although I was in favor of it at the time. Oops!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
Oh professor TallBear! You have no idea. It’s fakes all the way down.
Too many Americans now profit from Affirmative action. The majority of people under the age of 45 benefit because only 25% of Americans under the age of 45 are straight White males. Using the Elizabeth Warren strategy would work for millions of whites, as DNA studies indicate about 10% White Americans actually have more Amerindian DNA than Senator Warren. 20 million Whites could claim to be Indian as Elizabeth Warren did to advance her career. Will whites who are 1% Native American will continue to identify as white ? How about the white who are 1% African ?
Over the last twenty years more and more whites are claiming to be part Indian.
On the 2000 census 4.1 million self-identified as Indian
On the 2010 census 5.2 million self-identified as Indian
on the 2020 census ~8 million will self-identify as Indian.
The Native American population has grown 100% during the last 20 years as the White population has not grown and has actually declined over the past decade. The American Indian population has been growing fast then any other minority group in the United states, which is amazing since American Indians are not migrating into America, they are all born in the United States.
She certainly doesn’t look like any “throwin samoan” I’ve ever seen. What would Jack Thompson (or Jim Plunket) have to say?
All while crowing that
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I know, I know: hypocrisy is par for the course with these people. Still, it grates.
Self-hatred and mental illness are not a good basis for forming a healthy society. Maybe pretending to be a fake Indian is better than self-mutilation or suicide but it is still just one more manifestation of BPD. We should be getting these women mental health treatment instead of elevating them into leadership positions. They need to learn to love and accept themselves, love and accept the white person they see in the mirror, love and accept their fathers and ancestors for their accomplishments and not just hate them for their faults. Self-hatred will burn you up from the inside out.
And whatever you incentivize you get more of – the creation of massive advantages for being non-white only encourages their self-hatred. Some people think that fakers like Smith and Dolezal are merely schemers acting for pecuniary benefits but porque no los dos?
* Spanish for "why not both?".Replies: @Jack D
The cause of the mental illness is the tragedy of Whiteness. Women including White women have a hard wired genetic desire to be the chief consort (not quite the only one, just main) of some bandit king, who goes around slaying and destroying. That's clear from their entertainment, which reflects those desires. They can't be wiped away, negotiated, or rationalized. They just are.
And the White men around them have more than 2000 years of having those characteristics eugenically erased by kings, emperors, bishops, Prince Electors, counts, dukes, etc. executing those with the slightest inclination to be bandit kings. Who would pose a threat to their rule and kill profitable peasants who made up much of their tax base one way or another. To say nothing of feudal military levies.
Thus the desire to import African thugs, and lionize thugs, and desire thugs. The most brutal, stupid, violent rapper thug is more desirable than the most famous, lauded nerdy White guy. Women are hardwired to care only about dominance and cruelty and unpredictability. All that eugenics failed to deal with lady tingles. So the violence in the form of other men has come roaring back.
No wonder White women are the fountain of anti-White HATE HATE HATE. The pill, condom, anonymous urban living the welfare state and corporate work woke life have all given White women the unlimited ability to shape the sexual and cultural marketplace. How could they not HATE White people given the men around them?
White women neither need nor want the things that White men bring: safety, security, clean water than won't kill you, electricity on all the time, non corrupt cops and legal systems. They hate it. They want the Third World and violent, dominant, and SEXY Third world men.
The only solution is to recognize that the average White women is the eternal enemy of the average White man, and restrict her options: for work, voting, and many other areas.
Islam is right about women.Replies: @Donald A Thomson
So if I pretend I’m a woman I’m stunning and brave but if I pretend to be a Hekawi Indian I’m a reprehensible fraud?
All those words, and the might of the NYT, for what appears to be essentially a slapfest between two women grievance studies professors?
Some have to obey these rules and some do not.
The world would have come to a total temporary halt if it was Bush spooge on Lewinsky’s dress. But if you point this out there isn’t any point in doing so.
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that's what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican -- correction: Amerexican -- friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn't know who they are and doesn't want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Blodgie, @photondancer, @Jack D, @AnotherDad
Most Americans can claim some kind of hyphenated identity – German-American, Irish-American, whatever-American. When you have a hyphenated identity, the simplest thing to do, without driving yourself nuts over your split personality, is to pick one identity or another. Most of us have a hard enough time maintaining one identity let alone two.
In the past, the identity that most hyphenated Americans chose was “American”. It goes with Bin Laden’s idea that people prefer the strong horse. Being American, especially a white American, was the best thing in the world. It was the identity of winners – Patton, McArthur, Lindbergh, Armstrong, Ford, Edison, the Wright Brothers, etc., on and on. Who wouldn’t want to be on that team?
Now that America is showing signs of weakness and decline, it’s not surprising that some people decide to pick the other half of their hyphen instead even if their claims to it are somewhat tenuous (or sometimes even non-existent).
It's not that way anymore. America, we are told, is an idea entirely divorced from any people. Although evidently this idea can't be exported successfully, people from anywhere can come to this place and become "more American" than the people already here, albeit without any rigorous test of their understanding of this idea that is "America." As I understand it, the best exemplar of this idea of "America" is a foreigner demonstrating willingness to work long hours for cut rate wages in poor conditions without complaint.Replies: @New Dealer
Well, actually, it is my step-grandma (my grandfather remarried around the time I was born), but, hey, I have always been quite fond of her...
Clearly, I have missed out on claiming to be Native American!
By the way, this is not a joke: this is what my step-grandmother claims, and I have every reason to believe that she is telling the truth.
But of course neither she nor I nor anyone in the family has tried to exploit these facts for personal gain. We're Americans: we have certain standards of behavior.Replies: @3g4me
@16 Physicist Dave: So your hapa children will never jump on the Asian anti-White grievance train, since they’re so obviously 100% genooowine ‘murricans. How . . . nice.
Alas, I raised my kids to learn to be productive citizens, not to destroy the system, even though destruction of the dominant corruption is what is now needed.
Perhaps you have not noticed, but Americans of East Asian descent tend not to be as good at getting on the gravy train as White Americans like you.
The enemy is not non-Whites. The enemy is the ruling Woke White parasitic verbalist overclass.
By refusing to face that fact, you are an unwitting (or witting) accomplice of the Woke White ruling elite.
I think Steve was on the right track the other day when he said to look at total excess mortality rather than worrying about how these deaths were coded. For every comorbidity death coded as Covid there must have been one or more Covid deaths that were not detected. And no the excess deaths were not due to people not seeking medical treatment for other conditions nor were they "deaths of despair" - suicides went down. There was a very significant # of excess deaths irrespective of how they were coded. You can't wish these deaths away. It's bleedin' obvious to all except true believers that most of these excess deaths were due to Covid.
Whether lockdowns and destroying the economy were the proper response to these deaths (which for most part occurred among the elderly - average age around 80) is a different question but there's no use pretending that it's just the flu. People get wedded to extreme positions in response to what they see as extreme positions on the other side ( deceptively selected bleeding heart stories that show the one healthy young victim out of a sea of Alzheimer's patients) but nobody wins in the end from this sort of extreme polarization.Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Jonathan Mason
There’s a continuum. It’s easiest to fake being Native American – there were apparently many white-Indian couples and it feels like almost every white family has a story about an Indian woman somewhere in their past. It’s also pretty easy to fake being Hispanic/Latino – many Latin Americans are white and non-Spanish surnames are pretty common (e.g., Vicente Fox, Jorge Bergoglio). On the other hand, it’s pretty hard for a white person to fake being black – only certain women with curly dark hair can get away with it (Portuguese, Jewish). I suppose it’s pretty easy to fake being part Asian.
I’m amazed at all the white Australian aborigines. Native Australians have a very distinctive look. You would think someone would push back when white Australians say they’re aborigines.
While going through the archives: Reminder that “Flight from White” is a real thing
February 10, 2018: Vice Airs Documentary On Black ‘Healing Retreats’ For People Who Need ‘A Break From White People’
Whites: Can’t live with them, can’t live without their gibs.
And whatever you incentivize you get more of - the creation of massive advantages for being non-white only encourages their self-hatred. Some people think that fakers like Smith and Dolezal are merely schemers acting for pecuniary benefits but porque no los dos?Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Whiskey
Hit it on the head.
Looking-for-a-loophole is buried deep in American culture.
Look at international companies like Starbucks overpaying for imported coffee bought from a subsidiary in Switzerland so as to reduce their profits in the UK and avoid paying UK taxes on profits. Anyone ever heard of coffee plantations in the Alps?
Or Apple Corporation siphoning all its profits to Ireland, where it pays almost no tax in spite of making vast profits from European sales. Company motto would be “Apple: Rotten To The Core,” (except that I already have the copyright.)
If there were no lucrative incentives for claiming Native American ancestry and/or identity, then people would not do it, any more than they would buy coffee from an middle man in Switzerland, or have a bank account and a PO Box in Ireland.
In Ecuador something like 80% of the population would be able to claim benefits for native American descent, except that there are no lucrative benefits. On the other hand, public universities have open admissions policies, so anyone can go for free.
If there was affirmative action for Whites in the US, then people would literally be claiming that Black was White, so as to board the White gravy train.
The solution is obviously to give affirmative action preferences to everyone, and then nobody except politicians, entertainers, and nutcases would be claiming to be what they are not.
* Spanish for “why not both?“.
Not that many blacks did it because, #1 you had to be white enough looking (and sounding) for it to be plausible (and in less gullible times unlike today when you can claim to be a blond haired, blue eyed "Indian").
And #2 it usually involved cutting yourself off from the black community including your own family - if you were seen hanging around with a lot of black people, people might begin to wonder.
Is that you, JohnPlywood?
“It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money.” — Canada Bill Jones
I don’t so much blame the shysters as the creeps who set up the systems they could exploit.
So none of them look pure Siberian-American, and most look pure European-American, but at a minimum half a dozen or so appear to be at least mixed. Under the one drop rule that you can invoke nowadays where it is advantageous for you to do so, this group can therefore be permitted to identify themselves as Cherokee. Give them their own casino.
* Spanish for "why not both?".Replies: @Jack D
This was in fact the situation in the past in the US. It was called “passing” or “crossing the color line”. Some of Sally Hemings’s sons with Thom. Jefferson (or at least some Jefferson) did it. In much more recent times, literary critic Anatole Broyard did it.
Not that many blacks did it because, #1 you had to be white enough looking (and sounding) for it to be plausible (and in less gullible times unlike today when you can claim to be a blond haired, blue eyed “Indian”).
And #2 it usually involved cutting yourself off from the black community including your own family – if you were seen hanging around with a lot of black people, people might begin to wonder.
And whatever you incentivize you get more of - the creation of massive advantages for being non-white only encourages their self-hatred. Some people think that fakers like Smith and Dolezal are merely schemers acting for pecuniary benefits but porque no los dos?Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Whiskey
There’s not enough room in mental health clinics for all these women, Jack – we’re talking millions! But, there’s enough room in leadership positions for them. Yes, we can create all the leadership positions we need… on tuition paid from Feral Gov’t guaranteed student loans and from our gracious Chinese Treasury Bond holders.
Walsh contended that much of what is identified as mental illness, specifically depression, is a normal reaction to the living of a life. Walsh explains that life has ups, but it also has downs, and anything less than a uniformly blissful experience is not evidence of mental unwellness. His interlocutors, being crazed and overwrought, expressed the opposing view - mental illness is real and probably under-diagnosed, they claimed.
IIRC, approximately 40% of middle class women are on some form of psychotropic medication to alter their moods.
I did not take a position in the Walsh affair because I think both sides have merit - my point is that modern, atomized life is illness inducing. In other words, people are crazy but they're crazy because the modern manner of living has made them crazy. If you're atomized and without the kind of mutual support network of family, extended family, fraternal relationships, trade and professional organizations, etc. which used to be taken as a given, then the "downs" of life are going to be much more stark and have much more existential, lasting consequences.
So, back to your comment - these women are clearly some combination of mentally disturbed and ruthlessly professionally ambitious, but they're simply extreme examples of reactions to a society which is itself wellness-destroying and which has made lots of people similarly crazy (perhaps to a lesser or less ridiculous/less obvious degree).
Those names are all of German and British Isles origin. As was the overwhelming majority of the population of America back when people wanted to be just “American.”
It’s not that way anymore. America, we are told, is an idea entirely divorced from any people. Although evidently this idea can’t be exported successfully, people from anywhere can come to this place and become “more American” than the people already here, albeit without any rigorous test of their understanding of this idea that is “America.” As I understand it, the best exemplar of this idea of “America” is a foreigner demonstrating willingness to work long hours for cut rate wages in poor conditions without complaint.
I was in the capital of a South American country a few years ago. Looked much more like 1960s America than today's coastal metropolises.
This means virtually nothing. There are millions and millions of people with comorbidities – obesity, diabetes, etc. and yet thanks to modern medicine they might live with these diseases for decades unless some novel Chinese lab virus sends them over the edge. Dying WITH comorbidities is not the same thing as dying OF comorbidities.
I think Steve was on the right track the other day when he said to look at total excess mortality rather than worrying about how these deaths were coded. For every comorbidity death coded as Covid there must have been one or more Covid deaths that were not detected. And no the excess deaths were not due to people not seeking medical treatment for other conditions nor were they “deaths of despair” – suicides went down. There was a very significant # of excess deaths irrespective of how they were coded. You can’t wish these deaths away. It’s bleedin’ obvious to all except true believers that most of these excess deaths were due to Covid.
Whether lockdowns and destroying the economy were the proper response to these deaths (which for most part occurred among the elderly – average age around 80) is a different question but there’s no use pretending that it’s just the flu. People get wedded to extreme positions in response to what they see as extreme positions on the other side ( deceptively selected bleeding heart stories that show the one healthy young victim out of a sea of Alzheimer’s patients) but nobody wins in the end from this sort of extreme polarization.
The idea that the public health authorities would just throw up their hands and say "gee, everybody on house arrest for 14 months, let the economy collapse" is insane but it's just what these malign dopes in white coats did.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D
There was blow up on twitter (where else?) recently between erstwhile conservative commentator Matt Walsh and his detractors.
Walsh contended that much of what is identified as mental illness, specifically depression, is a normal reaction to the living of a life. Walsh explains that life has ups, but it also has downs, and anything less than a uniformly blissful experience is not evidence of mental unwellness. His interlocutors, being crazed and overwrought, expressed the opposing view – mental illness is real and probably under-diagnosed, they claimed.
IIRC, approximately 40% of middle class women are on some form of psychotropic medication to alter their moods.
I did not take a position in the Walsh affair because I think both sides have merit – my point is that modern, atomized life is illness inducing. In other words, people are crazy but they’re crazy because the modern manner of living has made them crazy. If you’re atomized and without the kind of mutual support network of family, extended family, fraternal relationships, trade and professional organizations, etc. which used to be taken as a given, then the “downs” of life are going to be much more stark and have much more existential, lasting consequences.
So, back to your comment – these women are clearly some combination of mentally disturbed and ruthlessly professionally ambitious, but they’re simply extreme examples of reactions to a society which is itself wellness-destroying and which has made lots of people similarly crazy (perhaps to a lesser or less ridiculous/less obvious degree).
I'm amazed at all the white Australian aborigines. Native Australians have a very distinctive look. You would think someone would push back when white Australians say they're aborigines.Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX
I’m no expert on this (far from it) but I have heard that mixed Aboriginals tend to lose their Aboriginal “look” very easily. African looks tend to be very persistent and until you get down to maybe 1/8th black (and sometimes beyond) you can still tell that the person is of mixed race (especially if they are not trying to hide it by straightening their hair, etc.) But you can be 50% Aboriginal and look completely white. Or so I am told.
ISteve, thank you for the reminder that shameless Soviet stooge Angela Davis was an accomplice to murder.
There’s another type of affirmative action fraud that is legal. The vast majority of AA graduate students in top universities are from highly privileged backgrounds – the women of course, those who happen to be gay, conquistadors, brahmins, children of looting elites from around the planet, ”mixed race” preppies, and so on. American descendants of slavery, enrolled Native Americans, and people of all kinds from the lowest quartile of socioecomomic status are hard to find.
It's not that way anymore. America, we are told, is an idea entirely divorced from any people. Although evidently this idea can't be exported successfully, people from anywhere can come to this place and become "more American" than the people already here, albeit without any rigorous test of their understanding of this idea that is "America." As I understand it, the best exemplar of this idea of "America" is a foreigner demonstrating willingness to work long hours for cut rate wages in poor conditions without complaint.Replies: @New Dealer
Whenever I cross the southern border I notice that the people there are allowed to be Mexicans, but I’m not allowed to be an American. Same for Japanese, Egyptians, Russians, etc.
I was in the capital of a South American country a few years ago. Looked much more like 1960s America than today’s coastal metropolises.
The last time you posted a photo of this group the girls were prettier and not so fat….
Perhaps they are readying themselves for the harsh winter months ahead.
"Oh, Spirit of Winter, be gentle in your anger." [/snickering by yours truly during Order of the Arrow ceremony]
I think Steve was on the right track the other day when he said to look at total excess mortality rather than worrying about how these deaths were coded. For every comorbidity death coded as Covid there must have been one or more Covid deaths that were not detected. And no the excess deaths were not due to people not seeking medical treatment for other conditions nor were they "deaths of despair" - suicides went down. There was a very significant # of excess deaths irrespective of how they were coded. You can't wish these deaths away. It's bleedin' obvious to all except true believers that most of these excess deaths were due to Covid.
Whether lockdowns and destroying the economy were the proper response to these deaths (which for most part occurred among the elderly - average age around 80) is a different question but there's no use pretending that it's just the flu. People get wedded to extreme positions in response to what they see as extreme positions on the other side ( deceptively selected bleeding heart stories that show the one healthy young victim out of a sea of Alzheimer's patients) but nobody wins in the end from this sort of extreme polarization.Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Jonathan Mason
This is a bit facile, Jack – if 94% of deaths from the virus corresponded to an average of 2+ comorbidities, then the public health response should focus the most resources on preventing the people most likely to die from the virus from catching the virus. The public health authorities responded in the opposite manner – making up reasons from whole cloth as to why people whom they knew from collected data and experience to date were not likely to have a serious illness after contracting the virus nevertheless still had to comply with the most restrictive lockdown measures. Further, if the bulk of the population who had contracted the virus for whom the virus did not result in a serious illness (i.e., younger, healthier people) had been permitted to contract the virus in the ordinary course, we would have been further on our way to herd immunity which would have made everyday life safer for the most at-risk persons much earlier. (Of course they pretended that COVID-19 could be different than every other coronavirus they’ve ever studied which creates natural antibody defenses in order to justify restrictive measures). BTW, I assume some of the overly extreme caution was a product of these people knowing that the virus was not zoonotic in origin very early on.
The idea that the public health authorities would just throw up their hands and say “gee, everybody on house arrest for 14 months, let the economy collapse” is insane but it’s just what these malign dopes in white coats did.
The idea that the public health authorities would just throw up their hands and say "gee, everybody on house arrest for 14 months, let the economy collapse" is insane but it's just what these malign dopes in white coats did.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D
The term “morbidity” doesn’t mean “cause of death,” even though I and everybody else used to think that. It means “ailment.”
I think Steve was on the right track the other day when he said to look at total excess mortality rather than worrying about how these deaths were coded. For every comorbidity death coded as Covid there must have been one or more Covid deaths that were not detected. And no the excess deaths were not due to people not seeking medical treatment for other conditions nor were they "deaths of despair" - suicides went down. There was a very significant # of excess deaths irrespective of how they were coded. You can't wish these deaths away. It's bleedin' obvious to all except true believers that most of these excess deaths were due to Covid.
Whether lockdowns and destroying the economy were the proper response to these deaths (which for most part occurred among the elderly - average age around 80) is a different question but there's no use pretending that it's just the flu. People get wedded to extreme positions in response to what they see as extreme positions on the other side ( deceptively selected bleeding heart stories that show the one healthy young victim out of a sea of Alzheimer's patients) but nobody wins in the end from this sort of extreme polarization.Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Jonathan Mason
Quite right. I can guarantee you that every single person on Medicare has at least two diagnoses, even if they are just high cholesterol, overweight, prehypertensive, fungal infection of the toenails, dry skin, stiff knees, golfer’s elbow, alcohol abuse, anxiety, living alone, medication non-compliance, dandruff, itchy scalp, jock itch, ingrown toenails, urinary frequency, insomnia, prone to tripping up, cataracts, short sightedness, long sightedness, hard of hearing, cigarette smoking, memory loss, anger management disorder, constipation, sexual impotence, shortness of breath, halitosis, missing teeth, peripheral neuropathy, and a few other things.
I greatly admire Sailer, both for bringing important content, a valuable service, and for his writing skill, but this article is seriously tl;dr, merely because it’s such a familiar, pathetic, and disgusting story. My contempt for these woke white, and “fellow white”, bitches of both sexes, and whatever gender, is endless.
I never thought that.
“The rumors could still be true if they go back to 18th Century America. With enough generations, randomness can just delete the DNA needed to prove even a valid genealogical family tree. But that’s a long way back.”
This is way off the mark, isn’t it? It is actually possible to have a grand-parent who passes none of their genes onto their grandchild.
Here’s the reason why UCSC picked the banana slug as its mascot. Way back 60 or whatever years ago. Because the banana slug is a male female combined type critter. 60 years ago communists and liberals were already planning the beyond homosexuality program.
I always assumed it was because banana slugs are one of the coolest things about N California. At least to kids who like to capture and torture them. In summer when it’s dry they actually shrink and get a darker color. A good misty foggy winter and they absorb water and triple in size and change from muddy yellow to true yellow. You can put them in a container of salt and watch them shrink. They are ugly too in a fascinating way.
I believe the state established UCSC because even communist UC Berkeley was much too conservative The communist liberal elites needed a refuge for the most radical of the radicals . I believe Huey Newton was in prison when he got his PHD. As I remember it was plain old American history.
Friend offered me her newspaper this morning. Entire front section devoted to Hideous George. Page after page of Floyd.
This is not my opinion but the truth.
Where is all this research you cite?Replies: @Anonymous
Sorry, but blond women already admitted they get cucked by Asian women.
Blond women = Skeletor. It’s not a good look for women.
https://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2015/09/blond-sexy-and-immigrant
“The last time you posted a photo of this group the girls were prettier and not so fat.”
Why are there so many incels in conservative circles?
I was poking around the subject of the reliability of DNA studies, and it’s quite interesting. Ancestry.com calculates that someone who is your second cousin shares anywhere from about 288 to 98 centimorgans of DNA with you. One centimorgan is about a million base pairs. Someone who is your 5th to 8th cousin can share around 20 to 8 centimorgans with you.
Ancestry.com used to report results down to 6 centimorgans, but gave that up because they ran into the unreliable DNA problem, which, freely translated, means ‘Darwin.’ They found out that someone who shares 5 centimorgans of DNA with you could simply have ancient DNA. 50% of the time, if someone shares 5 cm with you, they actually have DNA that is older than 20 generations. If you allow 25 years a generation, that means any connection between you and the other person is likely more than 500 years old. Only 20% of the time is a 5 cm connection within 10 generations of you. That cluster of DNA is persisting simply because it’s successful in the Darwinian sense.
People tend to think that their ancestors multiply as they go back, and mathematically speaking, they do. But DNA-wise, they don’t. What you see as you go back is the persistence of a smaller pool of successful DNA that starts dominating more and more of the human ancestry. This is Darwin in action. It’s been said that if you go back 1000 years and pick any random person, then that person is the ancestor of everybody in that region, or their gene line has died out. It’s either one or the other, no in-between. If someone lived 30 generations ago and had just two kids in each generation, that person would have more than a billion descendants today.
But this means that DNA tests for ancestry becomes unreliable sooner than you think. Ancestry.com gave up reporting meaningful data any more than 8 generations back because they don’t consider the DNA farther away to be a recent connection in any statistically reliable sense. Elizabeth Warren’s claim to be 1/256 is in the unreliable range.
If you do genealogy research, you run into the excitable-old-lady-who-doesn’t-want-to-be-all-peckerwood problem. Look up almost any tree ‘researched’ by any of your older female ancestors and when you hit colonial times and do one more generational leap back over the pond to Merrie Olde England, you’re suddenly the descendant of an English lord or lady. With no proof presented, of course. Or you’re suddenly the descendant of an Indian princess. With again no proof. These family trees, part real and part fake, are a major nuisance in doing genealogy research.
But what they indicate is that there is a lot of resistance to the idea that your ancestors were just plain old nobodies, especially among women, and women who are interested in ancestry have a strong tendency to create a fake background for themselves. If you’re a academic interested in ‘ethnic studies’ at all, there’s a very good probability that you’re a fake indulging in a fantasy ethnic background for yourself.
I know, I know: hypocrisy is par for the course with these people. Still, it grates.Replies: @Abolish_public_education
Profsters and urinalists are always so self-righteous.
Public universities were established with the limited, political, practical mission of training [smart worker bees].
Taxpayers had no interest in germinating an industry of elites.
Nor were they willing to take on the burden of supporting them forevermore. The colleges were endowed, through land grants at their outset, with funds sufficient to pay the entire honoraria/tuition for instructors/students, in-perpetuity.
Tenure. Tier-1 research. AA. High tuition. Football. X Studies. On and on. Once again we see gov bureaucracies working for their own interests.
In health care terms, morbidity refers to illness (e.g., patient with co-morbidities), mortality is used for death (e.g. infection mortality rate).
I don’t understand why they don’t just identify as “hispanic” – nearly impossible to disprove.
That’s great. Did it start with an earthquake, birds, and airplanes?
Perhaps they are readying themselves for the harsh winter months ahead.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
;-}
“Oh, Spirit of Winter, be gentle in your anger.” [/snickering by yours truly during Order of the Arrow ceremony]
Another thing I noticed about academics who lie about their ethnicity is that most of them are women. A previous poster mentioned Ward Churchill. He is one of the very few, perhaps the only, male academic who lied about their ethnicity.
I submit that there is a stronger sense in honor in men than in women. An honorable person holds: I will not be deceitful even if it means I forgo lucrative possibilities.
It’s probably a result of biology. It’s been said that women seek security. Those women lied in order to obtain material security.
But as far as I am concerned, and looking in a mirror, I am White, just another American mutt, and it would not occur to me to grab on to that affirmative-action gravy because I know there are people just barely managing to make it on the rez who really could use a hand up. I think that's what affirmative action should be for, and only that.
By the way, I have a Mexican -- correction: Amerexican -- friend who looks like Desi Arnaz with a nice tan. If you told him he was not White he would deck you. He says that he is aware that he has relatives in Mexico but he doesn't know who they are and doesn't want to know. Kind of the way I feel about folks I may be related to on the rez.Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Blodgie, @photondancer, @Jack D, @AnotherDad
You’re a mentally healthy guy 816. Congratulations.
Most normal Americans aren’t running around obsessed with their whateverness. They are just living their lives as Americans.
Or at least that’s how it used to be … now maybe there are more of them than us.
The key ingredients here are really:
A) bullshit job; (phony minoritarian, tax-payer funded sinecures)
and
B) women.
This idea that bringing lots of women into academia was going to enhance the “pursuit of truth”–especially in any field not bounded by hard-sciency experiment–is just laughable.
It’s basically been a big playpen for female drama, grievance and fantasy funded by a big taxpayer suck. Lose, lose.
(These women would have been happier–and certainly led more meaningful lives–if they’d just gotten married and concentrated on their kids welfare.)
Blond women = Skeletor. It's not a good look for women.https://kjonnsforskning.no/en/2015/09/blond-sexy-and-immigranthttps://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.pngReplies: @Nico
I understand I am not in the plurality/majority here, but I personally don’t care at all for the look of many East Asian women. Flat faces and slits for eyes just aren’t my thing, and neither are “yellowish” tints. I realize these traits are not found “across-the-board” in East Asia but the general but they point towards a generality I don’t particularly care to look at. Give me a Swede any day.
Speaking of other fundamentally important issues …
https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/2021-05-26-transgender-women-now-allowed-to-compete-in-miss-sa-beauty-pageant/
Transgender women now allowed to compete in Miss SA beauty pageant
Precious Shange
@PreciousShange
Miss SA is accepting Transwomen in 2021.
This is the freedom Nelson Mandela fought for.
The idea that the public health authorities would just throw up their hands and say "gee, everybody on house arrest for 14 months, let the economy collapse" is insane but it's just what these malign dopes in white coats did.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D
It doesn’t work that way. People live in families and frequent public places so that if the young and healthy are infected with Covid they will spread it to the sick and elderly and pretty soon the hospitals are overwhelmed. We have seen that in places like Brazil and India.
Even in nursing homes, the staff goes home every night. There was one rural nursing home in some very white Midwestern state (where even the nursing home staff was white) where at the start of the pandemic the staff volunteered to live in the nursing home and isolate themselves until the crisis was over. because they thought of their charges as if they were their own grandparents (maybe even some of them were). And it worked and none of the resident were infected or died of Covid.
BUT, in a place like NY the Nigerian nursing home staff feels and cares nothing for these senile old white people – they don’t even understand why their families aren’t taking care of them like they are supposed to. There was no way that they were going to sacrifice themselves and isolate for those kuffars.
And whatever you incentivize you get more of - the creation of massive advantages for being non-white only encourages their self-hatred. Some people think that fakers like Smith and Dolezal are merely schemers acting for pecuniary benefits but porque no los dos?Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Whiskey
Pretty much ALL White women are mentally ill. They always have been. Always will be.
The cause of the mental illness is the tragedy of Whiteness. Women including White women have a hard wired genetic desire to be the chief consort (not quite the only one, just main) of some bandit king, who goes around slaying and destroying. That’s clear from their entertainment, which reflects those desires. They can’t be wiped away, negotiated, or rationalized. They just are.
And the White men around them have more than 2000 years of having those characteristics eugenically erased by kings, emperors, bishops, Prince Electors, counts, dukes, etc. executing those with the slightest inclination to be bandit kings. Who would pose a threat to their rule and kill profitable peasants who made up much of their tax base one way or another. To say nothing of feudal military levies.
Thus the desire to import African thugs, and lionize thugs, and desire thugs. The most brutal, stupid, violent rapper thug is more desirable than the most famous, lauded nerdy White guy. Women are hardwired to care only about dominance and cruelty and unpredictability. All that eugenics failed to deal with lady tingles. So the violence in the form of other men has come roaring back.
No wonder White women are the fountain of anti-White HATE HATE HATE. The pill, condom, anonymous urban living the welfare state and corporate work woke life have all given White women the unlimited ability to shape the sexual and cultural marketplace. How could they not HATE White people given the men around them?
White women neither need nor want the things that White men bring: safety, security, clean water than won’t kill you, electricity on all the time, non corrupt cops and legal systems. They hate it. They want the Third World and violent, dominant, and SEXY Third world men.
The only solution is to recognize that the average White women is the eternal enemy of the average White man, and restrict her options: for work, voting, and many other areas.
Islam is right about women.
This really does speak to some people’s lack of scruples and/or overwhelming ambition.
Growing up, my family, like many others white Southern families, had long-standing legends of our partial “Indian ancestry.” Many years later I took a DNA test which showed this was likely not true, but for a long time I just accepted the legends because I had no reason to doubt them. (My grandmother, whose side of the family tree the ancestry supposedly came from, did look kind of Indian). Even so, nobody who looked at a picture of me would think I had any Native American ancestry.
I remember, though, that when I was applying to grad school, I had lots of people who told me I should claim to be part Indian to take advantage of affirmative action. I probably could have gotten away with it, because A) back then, those claims would have been harder to disprove, and B) it wasn’t like I had any plans to make a career out of claiming to be Native American, so I probably wouldn’t have attracted any later scrutiny. And hey, like I said: At the time, I believed it, so it’s not like I would have been consciously lying.
But I didn’t do it, because even with my limited knowledge back then it just seemed incredibly shady. It seems there are a lot of people in academia who didn’t see it that way, though. It leads one to wonder how widespread the problem is if one goes outside academia. Presumably there are some number of doctors or lawyers or scientists out there who managed to get into a more prestigious school by claiming to be “Native American” or whatever, but have never made such claims in their public life.
It’s incredibly weird, though, that lefties have so much trouble accepting the rather simple fact that being a minority confers certain benefits, and it’s only natural that people will try to take advantage of that. Instead, they have to write long, jargon-heavy pieces acting like this is all some kind of big mystery.
The tell on all these native American frauds is the claim to Cherokee ancestry. Why do most of the fraudsters claim Cherokee and not, say, Nez Perce, Paiute, Chiricahua, Lenape, Ramapo or Moneg? Because despite at least a middling intelligence they are so damn ignorant and unread hand have only the most hazy grasp of native American history. Everybody has heard of the Cherokee, so why not?
Plus, the Cherokee and the “ Five Civilized Tribes” liked parts of the White way of life. Wooden floors, doors windows, iron cooking pots stoves metal tools iron axe and tomahawk heads for chopping wood or enemies heads.
More Cherokee chose to become American citizens and stay east of the Mississippi than move remain in the tribes and move west to Oklahoma. Because they settled down and farmed and stopped fighting, many more survived..
It’s really an interesting story how European Whites and American Indians met in the frontier wilderness and cobbled together a way of life. Probably wasn’t much difference between a Scots croft house and an Indian cabin anyway. Some travelers claimed 1700s frontier men dressed completely in leather Indian clothes. Many east coast observers thought the White frontier people would create or devolve into a way of life more Indian than European.
So there was much much more peaceful contact than with other tribes. .
University of Virginia has a lot of information, courses and books about the whole thing, not just Cherokees . Several authenticated Pocahontas John Rolfe descendants teaching there.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Curle
The Cherokee were the most civilized tribe (by the 1820s, they had their own newspaper in their own alphabet invented by Sequoyah, after whom the magnificent tree was named). So I suspect they had more intermarriage, e.g., their chief who battled Andrew Jackson in the Supreme Court was 7/8th white.
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Why are there so many incels in conservative circles?Replies: @Alden, @ScarletNumber
It’s because it’s cuck conservative circles. Truly disgusting group of womanless childless losers. The worst is they approve of affirmative action discrimination against Whites, including their own children. If they have White children, which I doubt. The only cause they really care about is that the George Floyd baby mammas don’t use birth control or get abortions.
It’s because back 1810-1840 there was a lot of purposeful intermarriage due to property ownership. Cherokees figured ownership in the name of a White spouse child relative prevented the usual seizure of Indian property by the westward moving White government.
Plus, the Cherokee and the “ Five Civilized Tribes” liked parts of the White way of life. Wooden floors, doors windows, iron cooking pots stoves metal tools iron axe and tomahawk heads for chopping wood or enemies heads.
More Cherokee chose to become American citizens and stay east of the Mississippi than move remain in the tribes and move west to Oklahoma. Because they settled down and farmed and stopped fighting, many more survived..
It’s really an interesting story how European Whites and American Indians met in the frontier wilderness and cobbled together a way of life. Probably wasn’t much difference between a Scots croft house and an Indian cabin anyway. Some travelers claimed 1700s frontier men dressed completely in leather Indian clothes. Many east coast observers thought the White frontier people would create or devolve into a way of life more Indian than European.
So there was much much more peaceful contact than with other tribes. .
University of Virginia has a lot of information, courses and books about the whole thing, not just Cherokees . Several authenticated Pocahontas John Rolfe descendants teaching there.
Who wouldn’t? Mark Lindsay is supposed to be part-Indian, though all such claims are in line for the microscope today. He could pass.
Plus, the Cherokee and the “ Five Civilized Tribes” liked parts of the White way of life. Wooden floors, doors windows, iron cooking pots stoves metal tools iron axe and tomahawk heads for chopping wood or enemies heads.
More Cherokee chose to become American citizens and stay east of the Mississippi than move remain in the tribes and move west to Oklahoma. Because they settled down and farmed and stopped fighting, many more survived..
It’s really an interesting story how European Whites and American Indians met in the frontier wilderness and cobbled together a way of life. Probably wasn’t much difference between a Scots croft house and an Indian cabin anyway. Some travelers claimed 1700s frontier men dressed completely in leather Indian clothes. Many east coast observers thought the White frontier people would create or devolve into a way of life more Indian than European.
So there was much much more peaceful contact than with other tribes. .
University of Virginia has a lot of information, courses and books about the whole thing, not just Cherokees . Several authenticated Pocahontas John Rolfe descendants teaching there.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Curle
Negro field hands…
Plus, the Cherokee and the “ Five Civilized Tribes” liked parts of the White way of life. Wooden floors, doors windows, iron cooking pots stoves metal tools iron axe and tomahawk heads for chopping wood or enemies heads.
More Cherokee chose to become American citizens and stay east of the Mississippi than move remain in the tribes and move west to Oklahoma. Because they settled down and farmed and stopped fighting, many more survived..
It’s really an interesting story how European Whites and American Indians met in the frontier wilderness and cobbled together a way of life. Probably wasn’t much difference between a Scots croft house and an Indian cabin anyway. Some travelers claimed 1700s frontier men dressed completely in leather Indian clothes. Many east coast observers thought the White frontier people would create or devolve into a way of life more Indian than European.
So there was much much more peaceful contact than with other tribes. .
University of Virginia has a lot of information, courses and books about the whole thing, not just Cherokees . Several authenticated Pocahontas John Rolfe descendants teaching there.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Curle
All leather deerskin outfits with fringes were very popular among Continental Army soldiers. Partly it was a matter of fashion and in part it was meant to mess with the British soldier’s heads – maybe we speak English sorta like you do but we have “gone native” and we’re gonna do a Taliban on your asses and then disappear into the woods before you know what hit you.
The word you’re looking for is ancestry, not DNA. Some DNA sequences are more common in some groups of people due to the fact that people in the past didn’t travel or interbreed much. Doesn’t stop someone from the other side of the world having that exact same sequence. The whole thing is a scam even before we start looking into why the testing companies decide someone is, say, Sardinian rather than Corsican.
I submit that there is a stronger sense in honor in men than in women. An honorable person holds: I will not be deceitful even if it means I forgo lucrative possibilities.
It’s probably a result of biology. It’s been said that women seek security. Those women lied in order to obtain material security.Replies: @photondancer
Maybe it’s just sampling error. Maybe iSteve only picks the stories where it’s a woman doing this. Maybe men are better at getting away with it or are less likely to be betrayed by their colleagues. Certainly men in the past often lied about their ancestry – how many academics could get away with openly admitting to a working class/jewish/black parent (or even grandparent)? You need to address these points before you can make sweeping self-serving statements about how men never lie because they’re just so honourable.
Plus, the Cherokee and the “ Five Civilized Tribes” liked parts of the White way of life. Wooden floors, doors windows, iron cooking pots stoves metal tools iron axe and tomahawk heads for chopping wood or enemies heads.
More Cherokee chose to become American citizens and stay east of the Mississippi than move remain in the tribes and move west to Oklahoma. Because they settled down and farmed and stopped fighting, many more survived..
It’s really an interesting story how European Whites and American Indians met in the frontier wilderness and cobbled together a way of life. Probably wasn’t much difference between a Scots croft house and an Indian cabin anyway. Some travelers claimed 1700s frontier men dressed completely in leather Indian clothes. Many east coast observers thought the White frontier people would create or devolve into a way of life more Indian than European.
So there was much much more peaceful contact than with other tribes. .
University of Virginia has a lot of information, courses and books about the whole thing, not just Cherokees . Several authenticated Pocahontas John Rolfe descendants teaching there.Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Curle
Apparently historians who are constrained by Woke dictates of the female variety don’t know what to do with the reams of treaty negotiation transcripts devoted to Indians complaining about the negative effect white (soft) treatment of women is having on their squaw’s work ethic and expectations regarding consumer goods.
Perhaps, this “sort of thing”, which ends up creating animosity and divisiveness, has exactly the outcome that was desired by the one group that cannot be criticized.
Why are these always women?
It just struck me that when I was but a wee lad, I attended day camps that appropriated Native American names and mascots. Can I be forgiven for such passive, unwitting complicity? I was too young to know any better.
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Re: Cherokee:
Reminds me of something that someone with more than a passing familiarity with Geraldo Rivera once told me about him:
“When it suits him to be Jewish, he’s Jewish. When it suits him to be Puerto Rican, he’s Puerto Rican.”
Your type of virtue is why white men are doomed to second class status, which they will accept with grace and equanimity like the pussies that they are.Replies: @fish
Oh you have no idea how much we plan to fuck things up when it all goes sideways.
I'm amazed at all the white Australian aborigines. Native Australians have a very distinctive look. You would think someone would push back when white Australians say they're aborigines.Replies: @Jack D, @Rob McX
Apparently the College of Cardinals only elects on merit, but he acts like he’s the first affirmative action pope.
Correction……………
Academia is an industry, like journalism, that deifies itself
that’s the foundation of the problem
a bunch of self-indulgent narcissist
I found this hilarious. Smith got her start calling out fake Indians, and is revealed as a fake Indian by…another fake Indian. (Well, Native Hawaiian, but the “Hawaiian” herself seems not to recognize that those are two very different things, racially, ethnically, linguistically, historically, and more.)
I loved these lines:
“who once commented multiple times on the feelings of shellfish after someone ordered shrimp at lunch.”
Sounds like a real charmer, but, oh, so typical.
“People in our program, they were doing cultural reads on Hollywood. But to go from there to talking about which Hollywood star was bonking whom was totally another extreme.”
Oh, come on. Hollywood is a business and who’s bonking who (or who is lying about bonking who) is what Hollywood is all about. That these jokers think it’s deeper than that is funny and sad.
I was also struck by that guy saying that he didn’t hear back from Smith after he sent her two negative reports. Well, not really, as some time after the first she must have contacted him to ask for the second. I guess I can’t blame him for taking her money for the second search without pointing out the obvious about what her first report said.
I didn’t bother clicking on the Times link, but it seems like a really long piece. I guess there’s no real news these days.
The photo of that judge, and the look on his face, is really tragic. But I can’t help but focus on the cigarette in the mouth of one of the hostage takers, like this was all something casual.
3g4me wrote to me:
Any loyal American has a moral obligation to throw as much sand in the gears of the Woke White ruling machine — the parasitic verbalist overclass — as he possibly can.
Alas, I raised my kids to learn to be productive citizens, not to destroy the system, even though destruction of the dominant corruption is what is now needed.
Perhaps you have not noticed, but Americans of East Asian descent tend not to be as good at getting on the gravy train as White Americans like you.
The enemy is not non-Whites. The enemy is the ruling Woke White parasitic verbalist overclass.
By refusing to face that fact, you are an unwitting (or witting) accomplice of the Woke White ruling elite.
The Eastern Cherokee “reservation” in the mountains of North Carolina isn’t actually a reservation. The Cherokee who remained behind after most of their tribe had been moved to Oklahoma purchased the land jointly. It is held under a trust by the Federal government, but it was established by the Cherokee themselves, using their own funds, which says something about their material prosperity in the 19th century, along with their organizational abilities.
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In the UK there was Kibbo Kift, which was a cross between Boy Scouts and some imagined English past, which later went a bit fascist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbo_Kift
When you look into the history of the Cherokee, though, you learn they were originally far up north in (what’s now) Canada and New York, and as they migrated further south and came up to the Creek and Itza and Apalache nations, they also intermixed with Sephardic Jews who had moved into the Appalachian mountains to mine the gold there and keep (it/themselves) away from the Catholic Spaniards. Subsequently (during the history rewriting and myth cementing by hired academics in the 1970s), the history of the Cherokee became much more grandiose and ultimately fabulist, claiming (tens of) thousands of years of occupation in the Southeast US while forgetting the meaning and translations of so many place, land, river, and people’s names —names which make far more sense when you recognize these are not Cherokee deadwords but homophones of Maya, Dutch, Arabic, Irish, ancient Greek words. In other words, a much more complicated history of exploration and settlement and exchange than the dominating narratives of both mainstream and “official native/indigenous” establishments. One that challenges so many notions of what’s possible and what’s open.
The history of the Cherokee is largely contrived and sold to outsiders, but they have done the same DNA and genealogical analyses, learned to cover up the truth of mixture as they have, and so make even bigger lies until no one is sure what’s truth or what’s misadventure.
There are genuine people caught up in these games, but there are also honorable dead who deserve proper respect and will never get it. That’s why there is such power in rewriting the past, something y’all already know (hence the the blog post we’re commenting upon).
We get it, you’re gay.
(sarcasm)
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That Barack Obama….he do get around.
Why would someone want to claim a primitive savage as his ancestor when he might just as plausibility claim a Newton or a Mozart?
The fakers are almost always Cherokee………never some obscure tribe. All Cadillacs not Subaru Brats.
"When it suits him to be Jewish, he's Jewish. When it suits him to be Puerto Rican, he's Puerto Rican."Replies: @Jim Don Bob
GR is all asshole all the time.
When the Krug scandal hit, I remember watching many lefties struggle with the fact that if Krug had just been White, she would have been a mediocre scholar at best, and that it was solely her "race" that catapulted her into the academic limelight.
You'll never get a lefty to admit that an actual POC is mediocre, but these frauds really pull back the curtain on the whole thing. It's marvelous.Replies: @Uncle Dan, @Uncle Dan
Why would someone want to claim a primitive savage as his ancestor when he might just as plausibility claim a Newton or a Mozart?
When the Krug scandal hit, I remember watching many lefties struggle with the fact that if Krug had just been White, she would have been a mediocre scholar at best, and that it was solely her "race" that catapulted her into the academic limelight.
You'll never get a lefty to admit that an actual POC is mediocre, but these frauds really pull back the curtain on the whole thing. It's marvelous.Replies: @Uncle Dan, @Uncle Dan
It reminds me of the men who call themselves transgender women and then beat the pants off real women in athletics.
And a question for you- do Western New York Indians of your acquaintance refer to themselves as ‘Indians’? Nearly all of the Sioux and Chippewa I knew growing up in the Land of 10, 000 Lakes used the term ‘Indian’.
I had a couple of lax players who claimed to be members of one of the Northeast’s recently reconstituted tribes (Thanks, Billy Clinton!) When they said I should use the term ‘Native American’, i just shrugged and said I had been born in Midway Hospital, St. Paul, MN; as far as I was concerned that made me a Native American. Probably get fired for that today.Replies: @John Pepple
Midway Hospital in St. Paul? I was born there, too. It was torn down years ago, though I never figured out why.
I remember, still a kid then, being disappointed when Geraldo failed to exhume the “vaults of Al Capone” on live television.
Brilliant. Are you normally this witty and incisive?
(sarcasm)
Reminds me of the observation, no doubt made by many Western visitors to Germany after the fall of the Berlin wall, concerning the Germans they met. They all insisted that they had fought-for or at least supported the West side of the divide. And any number of similar instances of implausible invariability of claims that aligned with an obvious optics advantage.
Now that you mention it, the boy/young man in the first photo does bear a resemblance to BHO, doesn’t he?
The cause of the mental illness is the tragedy of Whiteness. Women including White women have a hard wired genetic desire to be the chief consort (not quite the only one, just main) of some bandit king, who goes around slaying and destroying. That's clear from their entertainment, which reflects those desires. They can't be wiped away, negotiated, or rationalized. They just are.
And the White men around them have more than 2000 years of having those characteristics eugenically erased by kings, emperors, bishops, Prince Electors, counts, dukes, etc. executing those with the slightest inclination to be bandit kings. Who would pose a threat to their rule and kill profitable peasants who made up much of their tax base one way or another. To say nothing of feudal military levies.
Thus the desire to import African thugs, and lionize thugs, and desire thugs. The most brutal, stupid, violent rapper thug is more desirable than the most famous, lauded nerdy White guy. Women are hardwired to care only about dominance and cruelty and unpredictability. All that eugenics failed to deal with lady tingles. So the violence in the form of other men has come roaring back.
No wonder White women are the fountain of anti-White HATE HATE HATE. The pill, condom, anonymous urban living the welfare state and corporate work woke life have all given White women the unlimited ability to shape the sexual and cultural marketplace. How could they not HATE White people given the men around them?
White women neither need nor want the things that White men bring: safety, security, clean water than won't kill you, electricity on all the time, non corrupt cops and legal systems. They hate it. They want the Third World and violent, dominant, and SEXY Third world men.
The only solution is to recognize that the average White women is the eternal enemy of the average White man, and restrict her options: for work, voting, and many other areas.
Islam is right about women.Replies: @Donald A Thomson
You didn’t notice that Trump got 53% of the white women’s vote in 2016 or consider Trump to be a bandit king. [email protected]
Why are there so many incels in conservative circles?Replies: @Alden, @ScarletNumber
Why are you such a white knight? Can’t get laid otherwise?
Dunno. A friend who’s half-Finnish, half-Italian got his DNA analyzed at 23AndMe. The results were Italian, Finnish, and a few percent Scando, which looks right to me. For that matter, based on what I know about my ancestry (British Isles + Ashkenazi Jewish), the results on my test looked pretty solid.
Lots of Americans fantasize about having Amerind DNA.
John- Midway is still there, unless they’ve torn it down since I drove by it last summer. Are you thinking of Miller, which was on the western edge of downtown?
No. I have no idea where Miller is. I acknowledge that I no longer live in the Twin Cities, but I remember being back there a number of years ago and driving by Midway, and it seemed like they were tearing it down. Maybe it was being renovated. I asked my sister, who was also born there and who also lives elsewhere, and she said she thought it was now a nursing home.
Well, nowadays apparently the definition of “man” includes specimens which have a vagina and carry babies to term so for all I know maybe I am…