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These days, white people enjoy so much White Privilege that Arab-Americans are plotting how to renounce their whiteness.

From LAist:

‘Are We White?’: SoCal’s Arab-Americans Debate Which Box To Check On The Census

BY LESLIE BERESTEIN ROJAS IN NEWS ON FEBRUARY 25, 2019 10:22 AM

Until about a year ago, plans were moving forward to include a category in the 2020 census referred to as MENA, for “Middle Eastern or North African.”

It would have allowed a more accurate count of Americans of Arabic, Persian and other Middle Eastern or North African descent. In previous censuses, many identified as “white.”

But last year the Trump administration nixed that idea, announcing that the MENA category will not be included. …

According to the report, when no MENA category was available, people of Middle Eastern and North African descent predominantly identified themselves as white. But when given the choice, they identified as MENA. And this “significantly decreased the overall percentage of respondents reporting as White,” according to the report. …

She said the push for a MENA category is less about changing racial identity than it is about a need for Middle Eastern Americans to be counted accurately. But in recent years, the racial identity of younger generations has been changing – especially compared with that of their elders. …

The Sbaitas identify as Americans of Palestinian and Lebanese descent. That’s one thing they agree on. But how they identify racially is a different story.

In the 2010 census, Marwan, who is in his early 50s, said he checked the “white” box. He said it’s what he’s always been advised to do, for school and work, since he arrived in the U.S. more than 30 years ago. Besides, he said, he kind of likes it.

“It gave me some sense of pride to belong and be part of mainstream America,” Marwan said. “It catered to my desire to blend in, to fit into this society, to be the law abiding citizen, the taxpayer, the patriotic American.”

Aurora generally agreed with this perspective. But not Rania. At 19, she considers herself a “post-9/11 baby.”

“I’ve never felt white … My name is in a different language. I speak a different language. The food I eat is different,” Rania said.

Rania said she can’t identify with a group from which she feels alienated.

“I can’t make myself blend in to something that has never really welcomed me, that has never made me feel like I’m a part of it,” she said.

Unlike her immigrant parents, Rania, who also speaks Spanish, sees herself distinctly as a person of color.

“I call myself brown,” she said, then added with a giggle, “sometimes I call myself “café con leche.” …

The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said. But it’s become more pronounced among the younger generation in the last 20 years – in the era of no-fly lists, travel bans and other strict policies aimed at Middle Eastern immigrants.

“I find this tension [within families] really fascinating,” Gualtieri said, “where you have older members of the family saying, ‘I’m fine being white … And you have younger members of the family saying, ‘This doesn’t make sense to me at all … I don’t feel like I’m treated as white when the FBI starts gathering information on our communities.” …

Aurora Sbaita said decades ago, the worst she might hear from people who encountered her was that she had “a cute accent.” Now, things are different. And that makes her perfectly happy just to check the “white” box and move on.

“It’s better to be blending in with the rest of the population rather than being cornered, if you want, or subjected to specific climates that [are] going on,” she said.

But what if she and her husband did have their own MENA box to check one day? Both pondered the question as Rania egged them on.

Marwan said he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority, including for his daughter. He turned to Rania.

“I don’t know,” he said. “Maybe I’ll do it for unselfish reasons, for the rest of the community to benefit, for your generation to gain the benefit. It could be.”

 
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  1. I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn’t allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    It's to avoid creating another class which receives diversity/affirmative action benefits. Why would you encourage grievances? We already have enough problems with the artificial "latino" category.

    Some "MENAs" are white, some are not. It's not lying to anyone to encourage them to check the best option which is "Caucasian"....they also have the option of picking Asian since most of the Middle East is on the continent of Asia.
    , @nebulafox
    >I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one.

    There is no Trump strategy, here or anywhere else. Anybody who still believes that Trump is some 4D chessmaster is delusional. He's America's Berlusconi, no more, no less.

    The only reason he stands a chance at all in 2020 is because the DNC and the MSM is going increasingly insane. That may or may not be enough, but people need to start looking beyond this man.

    , @syonredux

    I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn’t allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?
     
    Dunno. It would also expand POC power.....Not sure if I want guys like Taleb working against me....
    , @anon
    all three commenters are right
    first trumps got no game theory he cant even read probably dyslexic
    second hes in some ways a cuckservative and def surrounded by them and they think this will all work out so why create another affirmative action class when we are all equal americans
    until you get the only way out is a bloody civil/race war world race war at that you dont think it would be good to rub it in whites faces that they are being replaced more than you have to or to make semi whites feel less white you think kunbaya
    , @ATBOTL
    Trump is horrifically wrong on this and so is Steve.

    It is in the interests of white Americans to know just how bad the demographics are. That is what motivates people to do something. Counting MENA people as white makes it look like whites are a larger share of the population than they really are, therefore there is less incentive for whites to take action to protect their majority.

    The idea that if we pretend that Arabs are the same as Europeans, it will somehow make it so is absurd. The bizarre thing is that if European countries did what Trump and Steve want America to do, most of the Muslim immigrants would be counted as members of the indigenous majority.
  2. he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority,

    What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. I don’t agree with giving AA to blacks or Indians but can follow the logic given their history, but to Arabs and South Asians? The US has gone mad.

    • Replies: @Jan Assman
    “What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. ”

    Why say “could” like it’s a hypothetical? They already do.
    , @Clifford Brown
    Preferential Small Business Loans provide capital for many Asian restaurants, Indian owned hotels and 7-11's.

    The New York MTA is currently running an ad campaign on the subway celebrating its minority preferences program for contractors. I am sure that it was intended to benefit African Americans, but all of the proprietors featured in the ads are either Asian or Jamaican immigrants.
    , @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Same thing happens to blacks in Canada, even though the history is completely different. Same thing in the UK. The elites would rather have a brown or black kid get the internship than a working class white.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    I have personally seen government RFPs that designate "hasidic jews" as a MBE category entitled to preference in receiving contracts.
  3. So, it’s not important to know how many Anericans are citizens, but it’s crucial to number the Palestinians in Dearborn? That sounds at best incompetant and at worst like they’re planning something …

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    I was going to say the same thing!
  4. @Flip

    he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority,
     
    What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. I don't agree with giving AA to blacks or Indians but can follow the logic given their history, but to Arabs and South Asians? The US has gone mad.

    “What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. ”

    Why say “could” like it’s a hypothetical? They already do.

  5. They might want their census designation changed, but they’re not going to actually move away from whitey.

  6. @Polynikes
    I don't get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn't allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    It’s to avoid creating another class which receives diversity/affirmative action benefits. Why would you encourage grievances? We already have enough problems with the artificial “latino” category.

    Some “MENAs” are white, some are not. It’s not lying to anyone to encourage them to check the best option which is “Caucasian”….they also have the option of picking Asian since most of the Middle East is on the continent of Asia.

  7. “I’ve never felt white … My name is in a different language. I speak a different language. The food I eat is different,” Rania said.

    Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language, have almost the same color skin, depending on whether you tan naked or not, and probably all can pronounce your name right. Wouldn’t that be a dream! I have a big globe in my living room and would be happy to look it up for you. Your folks could scrounge up a one-way ticket from some of that money we’ve been stashing away for them on our W-4’s. No, no, you don’t have to thank me profusely. I’m honored to help.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    'Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language...'

    The difficulty is that either we or Master is probably engaged in bombing it.
    , @S. Anonyia
    I don’t get why they always fixate on food. Like white people are incapable of learning how to cook ethnic dishes...like Italian/Greek/French food doesn’t exist. Not to mention that white people of the Deep South are British/French and have developed a world class cuisine. Yes it’s African-influenced but whites contributed to its flavor just as much as blacks- it’s a hybrid cuisine.

    White people of middle America, step up your food game so these POCs and goodwhites will shut up about food once and for all.
  8. Blacks have a “cute ax scent.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks have a “cute ax scent.”

     

    Have you been sniffing booty again, Joe?
  9. Non whites get preferential treatment in employment, education, government services etc in The United States.

    Its freakish to think in the nation created by the whitest of men and women but here we stand.

  10. @Flip

    he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority,
     
    What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. I don't agree with giving AA to blacks or Indians but can follow the logic given their history, but to Arabs and South Asians? The US has gone mad.

    Preferential Small Business Loans provide capital for many Asian restaurants, Indian owned hotels and 7-11’s.

    The New York MTA is currently running an ad campaign on the subway celebrating its minority preferences program for contractors. I am sure that it was intended to benefit African Americans, but all of the proprietors featured in the ads are either Asian or Jamaican immigrants.

    • Agree: bomag
  11. “I can’t make myself blend in to something that has never really welcomed me, that has never made me feel like I’m a part of it, so first chance I get I’m going to whack them and take their stuff. They need to pay for being mean. If they were nice, I would have grown the GDP; but they were mean, so they are going to pay, and pay big time.”

  12. “I call myself brown,” she said, then added with a giggle, “sometimes I call myself “café con leche.” …

    …depending on data dynamics on Daily Pokemon Points Stock Exchange, my skin tones can vary from Phalange Beige to Aleppo Blanched Camel ”

    (more giggles, and full tuition on any of Weimerica’s prestigous universities)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Pepe's horny, isn't he?
  13. >The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said.

    That’s BS. The Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Pride stuff might get the headlines, but in the late 1960s, let alone before, most Hispanics tried to identify as white, given the social advantages, and outside of hardcore racialists, they were mostly viewed as such. They’d get offended if you implied they weren’t, because outside of the uber-diverse places like New York City, “not white” at the time meant black. And to be fair to them, before the big Central American influxes of the 1980s and 1990s, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction, so it isn’t as if they were lying. Hispanic didn’t even become a census option until the 1970s.

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.
     
    Traditionally, they were just folded into the "White ethnic" category. They've done pretty well for themselves in America:

    Michael Ellis DeBakey (7 September 1908 – 11 July 2008) was a Lebanese-American cardiovascular surgeon, scientist, and medical educator. DeBakey was the chancellor emeritus of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, director of The Methodist DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, and senior attending surgeon of The Methodist Hospital in Houston.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

    Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz; January 6, 1912 – February 6, 1991) was an American nightclub comedian, singer, actor, producer, and philanthropist whose career spanned five decades. He created and starred in one of the most successful and long-running situation comedies in the history of American network television. In addition to guest roles on many of the comedy, talk, and musical variety programs of his time, his legacy includes a lifelong dedication to fundraising for charity.

    Thomas’s long career began in films in 1947, playing opposite child actress Margaret O'Brien in The Unfinished Dance (1947) and Big City (1948). He then starred in the long-running television sitcom Make Room for Daddy (also known as The Danny Thomas Show) (1953–1964), in which he played the lead role of Danny Williams. He was also the founder of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is the father of Marlo Thomas, Terre Thomas, and Tony Thomas.[2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    William Peter Blatty (January 7, 1928 – January 12, 2017) was an American writer and filmmaker[1] best known for his 1971[1] novel The Exorcist and for the Academy Award-winning screenplay of its film adaptation. He also wrote and directed the sequel The Exorcist III.[1] After the success of The Exorcist, Blatty reworked Twinkle, Twinkle, "Killer" Kane! (1960) into a new novel titled The Ninth Configuration, published in 1978. Two years later, Blatty adapted the novel into a film of the same title and won Best Screenplay at the 38th Golden Globe Awards. Some of his other notable works are the novels Elsewhere (2009), Dimiter (2010) and Crazy (2010).

     


    Blatty was born on January 7, 1928, in New York City.[2][3] He was the fifth and youngest child of Lebanese immigrants,[3][4] Mary (née Mouakad), a devout Catholic and the niece of a bishop, and Peter Blatty, a cloth cutter.[5

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peter_Blatty
    , @Sam Coulton
    >the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction

    Yeah right you freaking Mexican, you're 75% Amerindian autosomally.
    , @anon
    "Hispanic" will be replaced by "Indigenous". As Steve is wont to note, lumping the children of Huitzilopochtli together with pure-blood descendants of Spanish conquerors as Hispanic is like categorizing Sitting Bull and Thomas Jefferson merely as a couple of Gringos.

    Hispanic is ridiculous, Indigenous has legs.

    The Indigenous movement will become the main prong of attack against the Unbearable Whiteness of America. Largely a front of course for socialist/anti-white/Asian/Islamic ambitions, all for the Dictatorship of the Indigenous.

    Indigenous movements in Europe = Nazism, naturally.
    , @Anon
    'Hispanic' is now useless term.

    Hispanics should be divided among

    1. Lecheans, or people who are mostly of Spanish ancestry.

    2. Tacoans, or mestizos.

    3. Maizians, or native indios.
  14. Will a Middle Eastern category mean that Jews could benefit from affirmative action? This would do wonders for corporate America’s diversity track record.

    • LOL: Ibound1
    • Replies: @Pericles

    Will a Middle Eastern category mean that Jews could benefit from affirmative action? This would do wonders for corporate America’s diversity track record.

     

    Perhaps they will get reparations too?
  15. @Polynikes
    I don't get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn't allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    >I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one.

    There is no Trump strategy, here or anywhere else. Anybody who still believes that Trump is some 4D chessmaster is delusional. He’s America’s Berlusconi, no more, no less.

    The only reason he stands a chance at all in 2020 is because the DNC and the MSM is going increasingly insane. That may or may not be enough, but people need to start looking beyond this man.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    I don't think it enough for him to win.

    Covington + Smollett + AOC + Kavanaugh should make the DNC unelectable, but you can't have a multiracial democracy, and the DNC coalition is now big enough to win come what may.

    Blacks 90%
    Hispanics 80%
    Asians 75%
    Goodwhites (Jews, gays, unmarried women) 90%

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.

    Arabs white? No one in Europe calls them white even though there is a considerable overlap between Andalusians, Sicilians, Maltese and Arabs.

    The hard right by and large accepts the former, but rejects the latter.
    , @istevefan
    Trump barely won Wisconsin in 2016, which was a shock. Now comes this from the new democrat governor of Wisconsin. Illegals to be given driver's licenses. It won't take many illegals voting in 2020 to tilt the election against Trump.

    https://twitter.com/GovEvers/status/1101289976896126976
    , @Hunsdon
    Looking beyond this man . . . to whom? What other politician from either major (or any minor) party is touching on any of the themes Trump did and does?
  16. Most of these Middle Eastern women of the current younger generation will stick with their own men, that is to be sure. However, more than a few of them will use a Discussion About Race as an excuse to sell themselves as a nice exotic choice for a deserving white Chad.

    Generally speaking, Middle Easterners don’t have as much animus towards white people as compared to most other immigrant groups allowed to come here. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they don’t really care for Jews or blacks all that much, so what’s the point of embracing Cultural Marxism?

    Furthermore, if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Shortly after 9/11, I happened to be working at a place with a lot of Arab-Americans. I was surprised at the time (but in retrospect shouldn't have been) to find that a lot of the Christian ones were far more angry and vengeful about 9/11 than were the median white Americans.

    The Muslim ones just avoided the subject.
    , @gate666
    a significant percent of middle east people can pass for white.
    , @Kratoklastes

    if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.
     
    Gold.

    (Although for me, the "Christian" bit would rule her out a priori - I don't socialise with people who believe in stupid infantile primitive fairy-tales).

    I hadn't ever seen the term "mudshark"; by the context it seemed likely to be similar to "pramface".

    I still prefer "pramface", though - because it's indifferent regarding the racial mix of the burgeoning mass of Deltas that have been subsidised into existence.

    I don't give a shit if the underclass is black, white, or brindle... I care that
    ① the underclass is expanding faster than the population as a whole;
    ② it's an outcome of tax subsidies to reproduction (i.e., it's a policy variable); and
    ③ the downstream effect on productivity is horrendous.

    This is something that the HBDers really need to think hard about: the odds of a white kid from a UK housing estate (or a US trailer park) 'making it' (e.g., rising one social class) are as low as the odds of a black kid from a similar background.

    Shitty genetics and bad environments are superadditive (in generating adverse outcomes) - and policy-based subsidies to reproduction operate in such a way that they encourage the genetic dross (again, black, white or brindle) to reproduce at above-replacement rates.

    (To be clear: there is no set of reproductive-subsidy policies than can operate in any other way - the social-welfare-maximising set of reproductive subsidies is an empty set).

  17. @Polynikes
    I don't get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn't allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn’t allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    Dunno. It would also expand POC power…..Not sure if I want guys like Taleb working against me….

  18. @Buffalo Joe
    Blacks have a "cute ax scent."

    Blacks have a “cute ax scent.”

    Have you been sniffing booty again, Joe?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, nun of yur bizness.
  19. We can rest assured that our future rulers are positioning themselves exactly as one would expect them to.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/4/shawah-white-not-including-middle-eastern/

    As someone who is half European and half Syrian, I can assure you that white and Middle Eastern are two very distinct races, holding different levels of esteem within American society, and should thus be listed as two separate options on all demographic surveys, including Harvard’s options for racial identification.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/2012/12/51417710_1.jpg
    , @Hunsdon
    "Half European" and "half Syrian" seems to be weighting the standards a little unequally. "Half European" and "half Arab" might sound better, but heck, I don't know.
    , @Seth Largo
    Lol. Here's a picture of her playing soccer in high school.

    https://s.hdnux.com/photos/65/62/05/14098752/7/920x920.jpg

    The face of the oppressed!!!! Look at how DIFFERENT she looks from her white Becky opponent.

    Via: https://www.newstimes.com/highschool/article/Lawrence-scores-three-as-Masuk-girls-blank-Bethel-12192871.php

  20. Who ever thought these people were white?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Who ever thought these people were white?
     
    Pretty much everyone in America in the '50s.....


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Danny_Thomas_Show
    , @Colin Wright
    'Who ever thought these people were white?

    https://youtu.be/Zoh1LGADKI8

    Your ignorance is tedious.
    , @Mr McKenna
    Whites, Asians, Blacks.
    AKA Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid.

    Yes, they can mix--so what? That's how we get Mestizos and Subcontinent Indians.

    But then, not everything that can be done, should be done. Far be it from me to judge ;)
  21. @nebulafox
    >The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said.

    That's BS. The Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Pride stuff might get the headlines, but in the late 1960s, let alone before, most Hispanics tried to identify as white, given the social advantages, and outside of hardcore racialists, they were mostly viewed as such. They'd get offended if you implied they weren't, because outside of the uber-diverse places like New York City, "not white" at the time meant black. And to be fair to them, before the big Central American influxes of the 1980s and 1990s, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction, so it isn't as if they were lying. Hispanic didn't even become a census option until the 1970s.

    I'd imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    Traditionally, they were just folded into the “White ethnic” category. They’ve done pretty well for themselves in America:

    Michael Ellis DeBakey (7 September 1908 – 11 July 2008) was a Lebanese-American cardiovascular surgeon, scientist, and medical educator. DeBakey was the chancellor emeritus of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, director of The Methodist DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, and senior attending surgeon of The Methodist Hospital in Houston.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

    Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz; January 6, 1912 – February 6, 1991) was an American nightclub comedian, singer, actor, producer, and philanthropist whose career spanned five decades. He created and starred in one of the most successful and long-running situation comedies in the history of American network television. In addition to guest roles on many of the comedy, talk, and musical variety programs of his time, his legacy includes a lifelong dedication to fundraising for charity.

    Thomas’s long career began in films in 1947, playing opposite child actress Margaret O’Brien in The Unfinished Dance (1947) and Big City (1948). He then starred in the long-running television sitcom Make Room for Daddy (also known as The Danny Thomas Show) (1953–1964), in which he played the lead role of Danny Williams. He was also the founder of St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. He is the father of Marlo Thomas, Terre Thomas, and Tony Thomas.[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    William Peter Blatty (January 7, 1928 – January 12, 2017) was an American writer and filmmaker[1] best known for his 1971[1] novel The Exorcist and for the Academy Award-winning screenplay of its film adaptation. He also wrote and directed the sequel The Exorcist III.[1] After the success of The Exorcist, Blatty reworked Twinkle, Twinkle, “Killer” Kane! (1960) into a new novel titled The Ninth Configuration, published in 1978. Two years later, Blatty adapted the novel into a film of the same title and won Best Screenplay at the 38th Golden Globe Awards. Some of his other notable works are the novels Elsewhere (2009), Dimiter (2010) and Crazy (2010).

    Blatty was born on January 7, 1928, in New York City.[2][3] He was the fifth and youngest child of Lebanese immigrants,[3][4] Mary (née Mouakad), a devout Catholic and the niece of a bishop, and Peter Blatty, a cloth cutter.[5

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peter_Blatty

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >They’ve done pretty well for themselves in America:

    They've also succeeded in Latin America, with Brazil and Mexico's Lebanese Maronite communities standing out. The Palestinian Christians and Maronites tend to be particularly Westernized and successful, but even the Arab Muslims have done pretty well for themselves for the most part. Arab immigrants have even gotten to the point where they've begun to occupy the despised middle-man minority position in some of the worse off countries. "Gas the turcos" has become a slogan for populist demogogues in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

    Dearborn, MI, is the exception, not the rule, in being more like the Muslim ghettos you see in Western Europe. It would behoove the United States to try and keep it that way. It speaks volumes about American bien-pensants (most of whom have zero experience of life outside their upper-middle class bubble) that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially when dealing with Islamic cultures, is anything approximating a wise idea...

    , @Hunsdon
    This list is very good, but I would supplement it with the immortal Norville "Shaggy" Rogers as voiced by Casey Kasem. I hear Kasem also had a pretty good career in radio.
    , @Flip
    A former mayor of St. Louis, Francis Slay, is of paternal Lebanese Catholic descent. I think the Lebanese are considered white similar to other Mediterraneans.
  22. The way to identify yourself is whatever would advance your own interest.

    A Jew is not going to claim to be such. Why would he or she?

    Elizabeth Warren knows how the game is played. She did not just ride in from the Dust Bowl on a turnip truck.

  23. @MBlanc46
    Who ever thought these people were white?

    Who ever thought these people were white?

    Pretty much everyone in America in the ’50s…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Danny_Thomas_Show

  24. @Benjaminl
    We can rest assured that our future rulers are positioning themselves exactly as one would expect them to.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/4/shawah-white-not-including-middle-eastern/

    As someone who is half European and half Syrian, I can assure you that white and Middle Eastern are two very distinct races, holding different levels of esteem within American society, and should thus be listed as two separate options on all demographic surveys, including Harvard’s options for racial identification.
     

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    His dad always reminded me of John Cleese.
  25. @syonredux
    http://www.msnbc.com/sites/msnbc/files/2012/12/51417710_1.jpg

    His dad always reminded me of John Cleese.

  26. @bored identity


    “I call myself brown,” she said, then added with a giggle, “sometimes I call myself “café con leche.” …


     

    ...depending on data dynamics on Daily Pokemon Points Stock Exchange, my skin tones can vary from Phalange Beige to Aleppo Blanched Camel "

    (more giggles, and full tuition on any of Weimerica's prestigous universities)


    https://thefw.com/files/2013/01/tumblr_mdx22gepx91r3n418o1_500.jpg

    Pepe’s horny, isn’t he?

  27. @Achmed E. Newman

    “I’ve never felt white … My name is in a different language. I speak a different language. The food I eat is different,” Rania said.
     
    Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language, have almost the same color skin, depending on whether you tan naked or not, and probably all can pronounce your name right. Wouldn't that be a dream! I have a big globe in my living room and would be happy to look it up for you. Your folks could scrounge up a one-way ticket from some of that money we've been stashing away for them on our W-4's. No, no, you don't have to thank me profusely. I'm honored to help.

    ‘Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language…’

    The difficulty is that either we or Master is probably engaged in bombing it.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Disordered (with a bad memory)
    And yet, they flee to the bombers.

    Not that I don't sympathize with Palestinians that lived on the same land for centuries until last one, nor with the few harmless Arabs and Muslims that have to deal with extra checks at the airport. But well, the year 2001 affected them too, and Osama's ghost spoke for all Muslims (either because they supported him, a number which was not trivial at all, or by omission- they did not mind other Muslims going into anti-Western jihadism). You learn to live with this by being a proud American of Arab descent - instead of proving the stereotype right by becoming sectarian.

    Not to mention, Rania sounds like all the random lost "brown" sjw birds that cannot deal with not looking like Britney (just a few shades lighter usually) yet being suburban and having America-loving immigrant parents. The trendy Spanish (calling herself cafe con leche like a Miami ghetto girl) multiplies the absurdity. Roosh V is right, social media has ruined a lot - of women, specially.
  28. @Flip

    he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority,
     
    What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. I don't agree with giving AA to blacks or Indians but can follow the logic given their history, but to Arabs and South Asians? The US has gone mad.

    Same thing happens to blacks in Canada, even though the history is completely different. Same thing in the UK. The elites would rather have a brown or black kid get the internship than a working class white.

    • Replies: @anon1
    You didn't have say it friend, especially here in Canada. A black brown or yellow foreigner shows up here from a group with zero heritage in the country and they get everything while native stock Canadians get nothing.
  29. @MBlanc46
    Who ever thought these people were white?

    ‘Who ever thought these people were white?

    Your ignorance is tedious.

  30. But when given the choice, they identified as MENA. And this “significantly decreased the overall percentage of respondents reporting as White,” according to the report. …

    Over the last few months there have been a couple of stories in the NY Times suggesting that Whites who know Whites will become a minority are more likely to be Trump supporters. While Whites who are oblivious to this are not. So the media types were discussing on Twitter and elsewhere the possibility of a) not constantly reminding Whites that they are heading towards minority status, and b) adding other people to the White category, such as hispanics, which then boosts the White percentage back up over 75%.

    They know that when Whites are presented with the facts, most become more tribal. You would think the Left would welcome this decision by Trump so that it would keep the White numbers artificially inflated, and thus keep the rubes asleep for a while longer.

  31. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Unlike “Hispanic,” MENA is closer to being a legitimate genomic level race.

    If you divide up the world into population clusters using the math techniques they use on genetic data today, and you ask the algorithm to spit out three races, you get Caucasian, African, and Mongoloid. If you cluster for five, they break up to add Native American and Melanesian/Australian Aborigine. At seven, you also get subcontinental Indian and certain Middle Eastern populations.

    Three, five, and seven are the clean, “grade on the curve” breakpoints; four and six don’t really return clean results. Above seven you get smaller breakdowns that are better called “population groups” than races, although that is based on usage and not any particular logic. If you continue this far enough yiou reach “families,” like the Darwin-Wedgwoods.

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    was The plan for MENA to be a race selection or an ethnic group like Hispanic ?

    55% of the Hispanics self-identified as white on the 2010 census. Would MENA be another ethnic category which would allow them to continue to identify as racially white on the census ?

  32. I can understand why they want to do this, but I would respect them more if they were honest enough to say why they want to do it. There are inherent advantages to being White, but in this society nothing but disadvantages to being identified as White. There is no affirmative action for you, you are the butt of every joke and negative stereotype all over the media. You are both envied and despised, and are slowly being reduced to functioning as a source of cannon-fodder, tax serfs and trophy blondes.
    Rania should come out and say that there is nothing in it for her to be White. I would also identify as non-White, but despite probably being more non-White looking than half these people, I am Italian and therefore would never get away with being pigeonholed as anything other than a compulsory honorary White.

  33. @syonredux

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.
     
    Traditionally, they were just folded into the "White ethnic" category. They've done pretty well for themselves in America:

    Michael Ellis DeBakey (7 September 1908 – 11 July 2008) was a Lebanese-American cardiovascular surgeon, scientist, and medical educator. DeBakey was the chancellor emeritus of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, director of The Methodist DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, and senior attending surgeon of The Methodist Hospital in Houston.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

    Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz; January 6, 1912 – February 6, 1991) was an American nightclub comedian, singer, actor, producer, and philanthropist whose career spanned five decades. He created and starred in one of the most successful and long-running situation comedies in the history of American network television. In addition to guest roles on many of the comedy, talk, and musical variety programs of his time, his legacy includes a lifelong dedication to fundraising for charity.

    Thomas’s long career began in films in 1947, playing opposite child actress Margaret O'Brien in The Unfinished Dance (1947) and Big City (1948). He then starred in the long-running television sitcom Make Room for Daddy (also known as The Danny Thomas Show) (1953–1964), in which he played the lead role of Danny Williams. He was also the founder of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is the father of Marlo Thomas, Terre Thomas, and Tony Thomas.[2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    William Peter Blatty (January 7, 1928 – January 12, 2017) was an American writer and filmmaker[1] best known for his 1971[1] novel The Exorcist and for the Academy Award-winning screenplay of its film adaptation. He also wrote and directed the sequel The Exorcist III.[1] After the success of The Exorcist, Blatty reworked Twinkle, Twinkle, "Killer" Kane! (1960) into a new novel titled The Ninth Configuration, published in 1978. Two years later, Blatty adapted the novel into a film of the same title and won Best Screenplay at the 38th Golden Globe Awards. Some of his other notable works are the novels Elsewhere (2009), Dimiter (2010) and Crazy (2010).

     


    Blatty was born on January 7, 1928, in New York City.[2][3] He was the fifth and youngest child of Lebanese immigrants,[3][4] Mary (née Mouakad), a devout Catholic and the niece of a bishop, and Peter Blatty, a cloth cutter.[5

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peter_Blatty

    >They’ve done pretty well for themselves in America:

    They’ve also succeeded in Latin America, with Brazil and Mexico’s Lebanese Maronite communities standing out. The Palestinian Christians and Maronites tend to be particularly Westernized and successful, but even the Arab Muslims have done pretty well for themselves for the most part. Arab immigrants have even gotten to the point where they’ve begun to occupy the despised middle-man minority position in some of the worse off countries. “Gas the turcos” has become a slogan for populist demogogues in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

    Dearborn, MI, is the exception, not the rule, in being more like the Muslim ghettos you see in Western Europe. It would behoove the United States to try and keep it that way. It speaks volumes about American bien-pensants (most of whom have zero experience of life outside their upper-middle class bubble) that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially when dealing with Islamic cultures, is anything approximating a wise idea…

    • Replies: @istevefan

    It speaks volumes about American progressives that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially with Islamic countries, is anything approximating a wise idea.
     
    A couple of observations. First, I don't think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    Second, as far as assimilation is concerned it all depends on scale. If we were taking a thousand people per year, assimilating them would essentially blend them out of existence. However, at the numbers we have been taking for the past few decades, assimilation would blend us out of existence. As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I'd rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I'd rather have separate, distinct populations.

  34. Marwan said. “It catered to my desire to blend in, to fit into this society, to be the law abiding citizen, the taxpayer, the patriotic American.”

    Thanks Marwan. You just stated in a roundabout way what people on this blog know. Namely, Whites are synonymous with being American. Ditto by the way for Canada, Oz, NZ and Europe. No matter how they try to gaslight us about this nation, or our mother continent being some sort of proposition, the proposition always revolved around being White.

  35. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    This cookbook author and television cooking show host is of Iranian ancestry. I really wouldn’t consider her white. Whatever she is, her group seems to have minimal sexual dimorphism. Remove the earrings and turn off the sound and I could not tell what sex she is.

    (I recommend her book.)

  36. Not being a white person gets you race preferences.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    White is a creation of the WASP elite and Jews.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zTrBXSwwsdI
  37. @nebulafox
    >They’ve done pretty well for themselves in America:

    They've also succeeded in Latin America, with Brazil and Mexico's Lebanese Maronite communities standing out. The Palestinian Christians and Maronites tend to be particularly Westernized and successful, but even the Arab Muslims have done pretty well for themselves for the most part. Arab immigrants have even gotten to the point where they've begun to occupy the despised middle-man minority position in some of the worse off countries. "Gas the turcos" has become a slogan for populist demogogues in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

    Dearborn, MI, is the exception, not the rule, in being more like the Muslim ghettos you see in Western Europe. It would behoove the United States to try and keep it that way. It speaks volumes about American bien-pensants (most of whom have zero experience of life outside their upper-middle class bubble) that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially when dealing with Islamic cultures, is anything approximating a wise idea...

    It speaks volumes about American progressives that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially with Islamic countries, is anything approximating a wise idea.

    A couple of observations. First, I don’t think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    Second, as far as assimilation is concerned it all depends on scale. If we were taking a thousand people per year, assimilating them would essentially blend them out of existence. However, at the numbers we have been taking for the past few decades, assimilation would blend us out of existence. As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I’d rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I’d rather have separate, distinct populations.

    • Replies: @Travis
    I suspect you are correct...Whites will be ethnically cleansed via assimilation even if we build the wall, stop illegal immigration and deport the 20 million illegal aliens, if we continue to welcome 950,000 non-whites to legally immigrate each year.

    in 1980 there were 93 million whites under the age of 30
    Today there are just 72 million whites under the age of 30
    , @IHTG
    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?
    , @nebulafox
    > First, I don’t think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    I don't think it was an organized conspiracy because I just don't think our rulers are that far-sighted. But Schelling points are a concept for a reason. There's no question that America is far more vulnerable to the whims of powerful private interests than it was 50 years ago, and that "multiculturalism" as preached by the post-Cold War Left is an integral ingredient in that. Like so much else, the rise of the Baby Boomers to power coinciding with the collapse of the Soviet Union proved to be a disaster in the long run for the United States because our bipartisan elites had no more checks on their whims, whether social, economic, or in our dealings with foreign nations.

    >As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I’d rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I’d rather have separate, distinct populations.

    Completely disagree. That would result in an imperial millet system through which elites could screw up America even more than they already have at best, and mass sectarian chaos at worst No, assimilation-and the resulting intermarriage-needs to be brought back and made stronger than ever, particularly if, with a saner, higher-skilled immigrant focus combined with an effort to raise the human capital of native-born Americans, this can have a positive eugenics effect, to counterbalance the worrying dysgenics that have infected American society like a plague as of late. It's the only hope of preserving the coherence of American society and providing some sort of counterbalance against oligarchic interests.

  38. That white holocaust clock counter at SPLC’s chart needs to be updated to take out whitey who does not want to be whitey.

  39. none of them are europeans, so who cares.

    i’ve advocated before, and i’ll advocate again: stop using the word white. use european. then all these questions become simple. look at a map. what are the borders of europe. is some person not from there? then they’re not european. done.

    no more long, stupid arguments about who is white. who cares what they look like. are they from europe or not. end of discussion. SNPs will have the final say.

    this will also cause the “white” population of the US to decline yet again in a single census, by 2% to 3% maybe. good. the lower the better.

    (fellow) “whites” out. wrong SNPs. we know where you’re really from.

    the democrats are going to use SNPs to enforce reparations anyway, so time to get ahead of the issue.

    • Agree: anon1
  40. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    Same thing happens to blacks in Canada, even though the history is completely different. Same thing in the UK. The elites would rather have a brown or black kid get the internship than a working class white.

    You didn’t have say it friend, especially here in Canada. A black brown or yellow foreigner shows up here from a group with zero heritage in the country and they get everything while native stock Canadians get nothing.

  41. @nebulafox
    >I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one.

    There is no Trump strategy, here or anywhere else. Anybody who still believes that Trump is some 4D chessmaster is delusional. He's America's Berlusconi, no more, no less.

    The only reason he stands a chance at all in 2020 is because the DNC and the MSM is going increasingly insane. That may or may not be enough, but people need to start looking beyond this man.

    I don’t think it enough for him to win.

    Covington + Smollett + AOC + Kavanaugh should make the DNC unelectable, but you can’t have a multiracial democracy, and the DNC coalition is now big enough to win come what may.

    Blacks 90%
    Hispanics 80%
    Asians 75%
    Goodwhites (Jews, gays, unmarried women) 90%

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.

    Arabs white? No one in Europe calls them white even though there is a considerable overlap between Andalusians, Sicilians, Maltese and Arabs.

    The hard right by and large accepts the former, but rejects the latter.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.
     
    We know right now that even if Kathy Griffin were the democrat nominee, she already has CA, IL, MA and NY locked up along with their 115 combined electoral votes. This means that as of 6 Mar 19, Ms. Griffin would have 42.5% of the required electoral votes to become president.

    In reality you could probably throw in a few more states to that list. But the point is that the democrats will win those states no matter whom they nominate, and that nominee will not have to spend 1 dime or minute campaigning there. They will only visit CA and NY to raise money to barnstorm in areas Trump must win.

    It is true that demographics have played a central role in this. However, the depressing fact is that several states which are majority White like Washington, Vermont, New Hampshire, etc., will more than likely vote for the democrat. So even though Whites have major majorities in those states, they are made up overwhelmingly of cucks who will vote for the openly, anti-White party.

    Meanwhile in states like TX, VA, FL, NC, GA, etc., our Whites are being inundated with diversity which is turning them from red to purple to eventually blue.

    So the depressing reality is that the other side is getting more and more successful in maintaining political dominance in their states, while using demography as a weapon to takeover ours.

    I am not disputing your claim about the demographic turning point. But the sad fact is several White majority states are voting against us. Unless and until Whites do become a more unified voting bloc, we are in for hard times. I don't think Trump understands this. He seems infatuated with attracting blacks and latins with all his rhetoric about lowest black unemployment and criminal justice reform. I thought he understood the Sailer Strategy back in 2016. But his advisors have probably changed his mind.
  42. @Flip

    he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority,
     
    What an absolute travesty that the descendants of voluntary immigrants could get affirmative action benefits over native stock Americans. I don't agree with giving AA to blacks or Indians but can follow the logic given their history, but to Arabs and South Asians? The US has gone mad.

    I have personally seen government RFPs that designate “hasidic jews” as a MBE category entitled to preference in receiving contracts.

  43. The only purpose for the census question in any form is to help the distribution of bennies for favored ethnic groups and the establishment of disabilities for unfavored ones (whites and sometimes Asians). Since white is the most unfavored group, there is no advantage whatsoever to claiming to be white on a census form.

  44. There was a court case in Calif. Basically, the Calif SC decided, if Lebanese were oriental and not white, then Jesus was oriental. Therefore Lebanese were white.

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @Kaganovitch
    It's similar to (sadly, apocryphal) Ma Ferguson's objection to bilingual education - "If English is good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the state of Texas".
  45. @MBlanc46
    Who ever thought these people were white?

    Whites, Asians, Blacks.
    AKA Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid.

    Yes, they can mix–so what? That’s how we get Mestizos and Subcontinent Indians.

    But then, not everything that can be done, should be done. Far be it from me to judge 😉

  46. @istevefan

    It speaks volumes about American progressives that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially with Islamic countries, is anything approximating a wise idea.
     
    A couple of observations. First, I don't think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    Second, as far as assimilation is concerned it all depends on scale. If we were taking a thousand people per year, assimilating them would essentially blend them out of existence. However, at the numbers we have been taking for the past few decades, assimilation would blend us out of existence. As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I'd rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I'd rather have separate, distinct populations.

    I suspect you are correct…Whites will be ethnically cleansed via assimilation even if we build the wall, stop illegal immigration and deport the 20 million illegal aliens, if we continue to welcome 950,000 non-whites to legally immigrate each year.

    in 1980 there were 93 million whites under the age of 30
    Today there are just 72 million whites under the age of 30

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    While we do have 20 million fewer young whites today than in 1980 we have made up for it with 25 million more elderly whites today compared to 1980.
  47. @22pp22
    I don't think it enough for him to win.

    Covington + Smollett + AOC + Kavanaugh should make the DNC unelectable, but you can't have a multiracial democracy, and the DNC coalition is now big enough to win come what may.

    Blacks 90%
    Hispanics 80%
    Asians 75%
    Goodwhites (Jews, gays, unmarried women) 90%

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.

    Arabs white? No one in Europe calls them white even though there is a considerable overlap between Andalusians, Sicilians, Maltese and Arabs.

    The hard right by and large accepts the former, but rejects the latter.

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.

    We know right now that even if Kathy Griffin were the democrat nominee, she already has CA, IL, MA and NY locked up along with their 115 combined electoral votes. This means that as of 6 Mar 19, Ms. Griffin would have 42.5% of the required electoral votes to become president.

    In reality you could probably throw in a few more states to that list. But the point is that the democrats will win those states no matter whom they nominate, and that nominee will not have to spend 1 dime or minute campaigning there. They will only visit CA and NY to raise money to barnstorm in areas Trump must win.

    It is true that demographics have played a central role in this. However, the depressing fact is that several states which are majority White like Washington, Vermont, New Hampshire, etc., will more than likely vote for the democrat. So even though Whites have major majorities in those states, they are made up overwhelmingly of cucks who will vote for the openly, anti-White party.

    Meanwhile in states like TX, VA, FL, NC, GA, etc., our Whites are being inundated with diversity which is turning them from red to purple to eventually blue.

    So the depressing reality is that the other side is getting more and more successful in maintaining political dominance in their states, while using demography as a weapon to takeover ours.

    I am not disputing your claim about the demographic turning point. But the sad fact is several White majority states are voting against us. Unless and until Whites do become a more unified voting bloc, we are in for hard times. I don’t think Trump understands this. He seems infatuated with attracting blacks and latins with all his rhetoric about lowest black unemployment and criminal justice reform. I thought he understood the Sailer Strategy back in 2016. But his advisors have probably changed his mind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    '...from red to purple to eventually blue..'

    The full visible medical symptoms of that rather odd medical phenomenon 'strangulation of the glans'. Which from the great American gynocracy/Democrat angle just about says it all.
  48. Marwan said he understood there could be benefits to being counted as a minority, including for his daughter. He turned to Rania.

    “I don’t know,” he said. “Maybe I’ll do it for unselfish reasons, for the rest of the community to benefit, for your generation to gain the benefit. It could be.”

    I don’t know who reads LAist, but anyone with children understands what that means, I don’t care how liberal they say they are.

  49. SF says:

    The girlfriend and baby mama of the late Stephon Clark, who was shot by Sacramento cops in a probable suicide by cop, was originally identified as white. Now it turns out her name is Salena Mohamed Manni. She has a light brown complexion and high cheekbones. Although Stephon Clark had several spousal abuse arrests and convictions, having allegedly beaten her because she would not prostitute herself, she has condemned the police for depriving her children of their father. Any guesses which race she identifies with.

  50. @istevefan

    It speaks volumes about American progressives that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially with Islamic countries, is anything approximating a wise idea.
     
    A couple of observations. First, I don't think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    Second, as far as assimilation is concerned it all depends on scale. If we were taking a thousand people per year, assimilating them would essentially blend them out of existence. However, at the numbers we have been taking for the past few decades, assimilation would blend us out of existence. As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I'd rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I'd rather have separate, distinct populations.

    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    • Replies: @istevefan

    IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?
     
    I did not mention IQ. I oppose mass immigration and assimilation for other reasons. You might be thinking of Stefan Molyneux who is pretty obsessed by it.
    , @snorlax
    National restoration is the name of the game, not "nationalist" restoration. It's like, if there were a nuclear war, I guess it's a good thing if the survivors elect an American Bolsonaro. But that would be pretty cold comfort under the circumstances.
    , @S. Anonyia
    You’re probably right. Look at all the problems the mentality of the one-drop rule caused for the U.S- it opened the door to a half century + of grievance mongering, not just from the groups we actually wronged but from the whole damn world over.

    IQ on a large scale doesn’t really matter unless it’s super low. 90-95 average is enough to have a functioning society and a talented elite.

    Average right-wingers (not posters on here but mainstream conservatives) also need to be convinced to let go of their obsession with principles/the founding fathers. It’s kinda autistic and that framework makes it really easy for the left to manipulate/win out against the right.
    , @Pericles

    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

     

    Restore ... to what?

    Will sleepy Brazil Norte guard its borders? Who knows, who cares.
  51. @nebulafox
    >I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one.

    There is no Trump strategy, here or anywhere else. Anybody who still believes that Trump is some 4D chessmaster is delusional. He's America's Berlusconi, no more, no less.

    The only reason he stands a chance at all in 2020 is because the DNC and the MSM is going increasingly insane. That may or may not be enough, but people need to start looking beyond this man.

    Trump barely won Wisconsin in 2016, which was a shock. Now comes this from the new democrat governor of Wisconsin. Illegals to be given driver’s licenses. It won’t take many illegals voting in 2020 to tilt the election against Trump.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    It wasn't a shock to me. But it will be this time, if things don't radically change soon.

    Trump could try actually... fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued. Doing the latter makes Ivanka and Kushner happy, of course, and it allows Trump to follow the path of least resistance while pretending he's still accepted in certain elite corners of society.

    Of course, the former would also ensure re-election, as the DNC is more focused than ever on the interests of foreigners, rich and poor, the gentry classes, and sufficiently woke oligarchs over ordinary Americans. It might even revive the Republican Party into something that can survive long-term and be elected on its own merits as opposed to public distaste for their opponents. Hoping to get re-elected through the latter, by contrast, is a flight of fancy. George W. Bush killed Buckleyite fusionism for good: the voters have zero interest in more tax cuts for plutocrats or more foreign invasions. End of story, time to move on.

  52. “I call myself brown,” she said, then added with a giggle, “sometimes I call myself “café con leche.” …

    The Starbuck’s Identity. Seriously burnt. Rootless. Available at every airport.

  53. If only Trump would remove all race questions from the census, period. The government has no business asking. It has far more business asking who’s a citizen and who’s legal.

    There are left-wing Jews dying for this, by the way. The non-Ashkenazi ones are trumpeting their non-whiteness, and the Ashkenazi ones wish they could and sometimes pretend they can. Most normal Jews are happy being white.

  54. @IHTG
    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    I did not mention IQ. I oppose mass immigration and assimilation for other reasons. You might be thinking of Stefan Molyneux who is pretty obsessed by it.

  55. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    The USA is passing the demographic point of no return around now. Trump did nothing to stop it. He is all p1ss and wind. I think Texas will flip at the next election.
     
    We know right now that even if Kathy Griffin were the democrat nominee, she already has CA, IL, MA and NY locked up along with their 115 combined electoral votes. This means that as of 6 Mar 19, Ms. Griffin would have 42.5% of the required electoral votes to become president.

    In reality you could probably throw in a few more states to that list. But the point is that the democrats will win those states no matter whom they nominate, and that nominee will not have to spend 1 dime or minute campaigning there. They will only visit CA and NY to raise money to barnstorm in areas Trump must win.

    It is true that demographics have played a central role in this. However, the depressing fact is that several states which are majority White like Washington, Vermont, New Hampshire, etc., will more than likely vote for the democrat. So even though Whites have major majorities in those states, they are made up overwhelmingly of cucks who will vote for the openly, anti-White party.

    Meanwhile in states like TX, VA, FL, NC, GA, etc., our Whites are being inundated with diversity which is turning them from red to purple to eventually blue.

    So the depressing reality is that the other side is getting more and more successful in maintaining political dominance in their states, while using demography as a weapon to takeover ours.

    I am not disputing your claim about the demographic turning point. But the sad fact is several White majority states are voting against us. Unless and until Whites do become a more unified voting bloc, we are in for hard times. I don't think Trump understands this. He seems infatuated with attracting blacks and latins with all his rhetoric about lowest black unemployment and criminal justice reform. I thought he understood the Sailer Strategy back in 2016. But his advisors have probably changed his mind.

    ‘…from red to purple to eventually blue..’

    The full visible medical symptoms of that rather odd medical phenomenon ‘strangulation of the glans’. Which from the great American gynocracy/Democrat angle just about says it all.

  56. @IHTG
    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    National restoration is the name of the game, not “nationalist” restoration. It’s like, if there were a nuclear war, I guess it’s a good thing if the survivors elect an American Bolsonaro. But that would be pretty cold comfort under the circumstances.

  57. @Canadian Observer
    Most of these Middle Eastern women of the current younger generation will stick with their own men, that is to be sure. However, more than a few of them will use a Discussion About Race as an excuse to sell themselves as a nice exotic choice for a deserving white Chad.

    Generally speaking, Middle Easterners don't have as much animus towards white people as compared to most other immigrant groups allowed to come here. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they don't really care for Jews or blacks all that much, so what's the point of embracing Cultural Marxism?

    Furthermore, if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.

    Shortly after 9/11, I happened to be working at a place with a lot of Arab-Americans. I was surprised at the time (but in retrospect shouldn’t have been) to find that a lot of the Christian ones were far more angry and vengeful about 9/11 than were the median white Americans.

    The Muslim ones just avoided the subject.

  58. @Canadian Observer
    Most of these Middle Eastern women of the current younger generation will stick with their own men, that is to be sure. However, more than a few of them will use a Discussion About Race as an excuse to sell themselves as a nice exotic choice for a deserving white Chad.

    Generally speaking, Middle Easterners don't have as much animus towards white people as compared to most other immigrant groups allowed to come here. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they don't really care for Jews or blacks all that much, so what's the point of embracing Cultural Marxism?

    Furthermore, if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.

    a significant percent of middle east people can pass for white.

  59. @James Speaks
    There was a court case in Calif. Basically, the Calif SC decided, if Lebanese were oriental and not white, then Jesus was oriental. Therefore Lebanese were white.

    It’s similar to (sadly, apocryphal) Ma Ferguson’s objection to bilingual education – “If English is good enough for Jesus Christ, it’s good enough for the state of Texas”.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    Forsooth! If English was good enough for William Shakespeare, then it's good enough for me.
    , @James Speaks
    On the other hand, this sounds so much better in French.

    Je te veux

    J'ai très envie de toi

    J'ai une mauvaise motricité
     
  60. Derb’s “black” and “non-black” categories for the census?

  61. Prior to 9-11, GWB and Karl Rove looked to Muslims as a natural GOP constituency. I think they were right.

    Implicit is that Muslims identify as white in order to not identify as black. Identifying as black leads to many negative consequences. Look at the results with the half-black Colin Kaepernick. He was raised by a white family. His black father abandoned him. Who does he identify with? The people who nurtured him and provided for him? No. He primarily identifies with the man who abandoned him and did nothing for him. This is what black culture is in America.

    Also, everyone here is receiving some joy watching the new fearless Muslim congresswoman take on the Israel lobby.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Muh natural brown constituency, huh. A better explanation is the GOP is irrelevant bought opposition and the real action is inside the Democrat party.
  62. There should be a ‘Semite’ box to check on the census just for Arabs.

  63. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul
    Not being a white person gets you race preferences.

    White is a creation of the WASP elite and Jews.

  64. Rania’s remarks resemble those of many young French citizens of North African origin. Their parents, too, were seen as content to work and fit in. The children, at least according to the commonplace view, don’t feel accepted as equals and are thus attracted to radical Islam as a way to reconnect with what their parents left behind (or to atone for their parents’ faithlessness).

  65. @J.Ross
    So, it's not important to know how many Anericans are citizens, but it's crucial to number the Palestinians in Dearborn? That sounds at best incompetant and at worst like they're planning something ...

    I was going to say the same thing!

  66. @nebulafox
    >I don’t get the Trump strategy on this one.

    There is no Trump strategy, here or anywhere else. Anybody who still believes that Trump is some 4D chessmaster is delusional. He's America's Berlusconi, no more, no less.

    The only reason he stands a chance at all in 2020 is because the DNC and the MSM is going increasingly insane. That may or may not be enough, but people need to start looking beyond this man.

    Looking beyond this man . . . to whom? What other politician from either major (or any minor) party is touching on any of the themes Trump did and does?

  67. @Benjaminl
    We can rest assured that our future rulers are positioning themselves exactly as one would expect them to.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/4/shawah-white-not-including-middle-eastern/

    As someone who is half European and half Syrian, I can assure you that white and Middle Eastern are two very distinct races, holding different levels of esteem within American society, and should thus be listed as two separate options on all demographic surveys, including Harvard’s options for racial identification.
     

    “Half European” and “half Syrian” seems to be weighting the standards a little unequally. “Half European” and “half Arab” might sound better, but heck, I don’t know.

  68. @syonredux

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.
     
    Traditionally, they were just folded into the "White ethnic" category. They've done pretty well for themselves in America:

    Michael Ellis DeBakey (7 September 1908 – 11 July 2008) was a Lebanese-American cardiovascular surgeon, scientist, and medical educator. DeBakey was the chancellor emeritus of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, director of The Methodist DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, and senior attending surgeon of The Methodist Hospital in Houston.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

    Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz; January 6, 1912 – February 6, 1991) was an American nightclub comedian, singer, actor, producer, and philanthropist whose career spanned five decades. He created and starred in one of the most successful and long-running situation comedies in the history of American network television. In addition to guest roles on many of the comedy, talk, and musical variety programs of his time, his legacy includes a lifelong dedication to fundraising for charity.

    Thomas’s long career began in films in 1947, playing opposite child actress Margaret O'Brien in The Unfinished Dance (1947) and Big City (1948). He then starred in the long-running television sitcom Make Room for Daddy (also known as The Danny Thomas Show) (1953–1964), in which he played the lead role of Danny Williams. He was also the founder of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is the father of Marlo Thomas, Terre Thomas, and Tony Thomas.[2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    William Peter Blatty (January 7, 1928 – January 12, 2017) was an American writer and filmmaker[1] best known for his 1971[1] novel The Exorcist and for the Academy Award-winning screenplay of its film adaptation. He also wrote and directed the sequel The Exorcist III.[1] After the success of The Exorcist, Blatty reworked Twinkle, Twinkle, "Killer" Kane! (1960) into a new novel titled The Ninth Configuration, published in 1978. Two years later, Blatty adapted the novel into a film of the same title and won Best Screenplay at the 38th Golden Globe Awards. Some of his other notable works are the novels Elsewhere (2009), Dimiter (2010) and Crazy (2010).

     


    Blatty was born on January 7, 1928, in New York City.[2][3] He was the fifth and youngest child of Lebanese immigrants,[3][4] Mary (née Mouakad), a devout Catholic and the niece of a bishop, and Peter Blatty, a cloth cutter.[5

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peter_Blatty

    This list is very good, but I would supplement it with the immortal Norville “Shaggy” Rogers as voiced by Casey Kasem. I hear Kasem also had a pretty good career in radio.

  69. Ethnicity isn’t race. You should ONLY be allowed to check White. Asian. Black. Or mixed. My mother is from Japan thanks to the military. She is White race not some made up ethnicity like Japanese cucks!

  70. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes
    I don't get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn't allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    all three commenters are right
    first trumps got no game theory he cant even read probably dyslexic
    second hes in some ways a cuckservative and def surrounded by them and they think this will all work out so why create another affirmative action class when we are all equal americans
    until you get the only way out is a bloody civil/race war world race war at that you dont think it would be good to rub it in whites faces that they are being replaced more than you have to or to make semi whites feel less white you think kunbaya

  71. @Colin Wright
    'Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language...'

    The difficulty is that either we or Master is probably engaged in bombing it.

    And yet, they flee to the bombers.

    Not that I don’t sympathize with Palestinians that lived on the same land for centuries until last one, nor with the few harmless Arabs and Muslims that have to deal with extra checks at the airport. But well, the year 2001 affected them too, and Osama’s ghost spoke for all Muslims (either because they supported him, a number which was not trivial at all, or by omission- they did not mind other Muslims going into anti-Western jihadism). You learn to live with this by being a proud American of Arab descent – instead of proving the stereotype right by becoming sectarian.

    Not to mention, Rania sounds like all the random lost “brown” sjw birds that cannot deal with not looking like Britney (just a few shades lighter usually) yet being suburban and having America-loving immigrant parents. The trendy Spanish (calling herself cafe con leche like a Miami ghetto girl) multiplies the absurdity. Roosh V is right, social media has ruined a lot – of women, specially.

  72. @nebulafox
    >The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said.

    That's BS. The Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Pride stuff might get the headlines, but in the late 1960s, let alone before, most Hispanics tried to identify as white, given the social advantages, and outside of hardcore racialists, they were mostly viewed as such. They'd get offended if you implied they weren't, because outside of the uber-diverse places like New York City, "not white" at the time meant black. And to be fair to them, before the big Central American influxes of the 1980s and 1990s, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction, so it isn't as if they were lying. Hispanic didn't even become a census option until the 1970s.

    I'd imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    >the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction

    Yeah right you freaking Mexican, you’re 75% Amerindian autosomally.

  73. @Anon
    Unlike "Hispanic," MENA is closer to being a legitimate genomic level race.

    If you divide up the world into population clusters using the math techniques they use on genetic data today, and you ask the algorithm to spit out three races, you get Caucasian, African, and Mongoloid. If you cluster for five, they break up to add Native American and Melanesian/Australian Aborigine. At seven, you also get subcontinental Indian and certain Middle Eastern populations.

    Three, five, and seven are the clean, "grade on the curve" breakpoints; four and six don't really return clean results. Above seven you get smaller breakdowns that are better called "population groups" than races, although that is based on usage and not any particular logic. If you continue this far enough yiou reach "families," like the Darwin-Wedgwoods.

    was The plan for MENA to be a race selection or an ethnic group like Hispanic ?

    55% of the Hispanics self-identified as white on the 2010 census. Would MENA be another ethnic category which would allow them to continue to identify as racially white on the census ?

  74. The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said. But it’s become more pronounced among the younger generation in the last 20 years – in the era of no-fly lists, travel bans and other strict policies aimed at Middle Eastern immigrants.

    It’s an interesting view of how pozzed we’ve become that members of the ethno-religious group responsible for the greatest act of war against the United States since Pearl Harbor decide in the aftermath to identify more strongly with the perpetrators than the victims.

  75. @Achmed E. Newman

    “I’ve never felt white … My name is in a different language. I speak a different language. The food I eat is different,” Rania said.
     
    Hey, Rania. There is probably some place in this great big old world where they make a whole lot of that food you like, all speak your language, have almost the same color skin, depending on whether you tan naked or not, and probably all can pronounce your name right. Wouldn't that be a dream! I have a big globe in my living room and would be happy to look it up for you. Your folks could scrounge up a one-way ticket from some of that money we've been stashing away for them on our W-4's. No, no, you don't have to thank me profusely. I'm honored to help.

    I don’t get why they always fixate on food. Like white people are incapable of learning how to cook ethnic dishes…like Italian/Greek/French food doesn’t exist. Not to mention that white people of the Deep South are British/French and have developed a world class cuisine. Yes it’s African-influenced but whites contributed to its flavor just as much as blacks- it’s a hybrid cuisine.

    White people of middle America, step up your food game so these POCs and goodwhites will shut up about food once and for all.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Agreed completely, Mr. Anonysia. Perhaps this is more appropriate for the other post of iSteve's, but here is Peak Stupidity's A taste of Somalia - more American Cuisine Change, along with a precursor post, The Stupidity of the Foodies.
  76. @Travis
    I suspect you are correct...Whites will be ethnically cleansed via assimilation even if we build the wall, stop illegal immigration and deport the 20 million illegal aliens, if we continue to welcome 950,000 non-whites to legally immigrate each year.

    in 1980 there were 93 million whites under the age of 30
    Today there are just 72 million whites under the age of 30

    While we do have 20 million fewer young whites today than in 1980 we have made up for it with 25 million more elderly whites today compared to 1980.

  77. anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    MENA is an umbrella category and those within it don’t necessarily care for one another. The earlier immigrants tended to be Christians who had little identification with an Arab identity and saw themselves as a separate group. Assyrians are from the general area but despise Muslims of various ethnicities who have practiced genocide against them. Same with other Christians from places such as Lebanon. Persians won’t want to be lumped in with Arabs either. Blending in with a white American identity was an easier fit for a lot of them. Immigrants from those areas now tend to have a strong Muslim identification and are quite distinct from white America, culturally and racially. We got the better ones earlier. The ones now are outright anti-American.

  78. @IHTG
    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    You’re probably right. Look at all the problems the mentality of the one-drop rule caused for the U.S- it opened the door to a half century + of grievance mongering, not just from the groups we actually wronged but from the whole damn world over.

    IQ on a large scale doesn’t really matter unless it’s super low. 90-95 average is enough to have a functioning society and a talented elite.

    Average right-wingers (not posters on here but mainstream conservatives) also need to be convinced to let go of their obsession with principles/the founding fathers. It’s kinda autistic and that framework makes it really easy for the left to manipulate/win out against the right.

  79. Who is white? Are these guys white?

    Dostoevsky

    Richard Francis Burton

    Jenny & Laura Marx

    Raquel Welch

    Iosif Vissarionovich Djugashvili-Stalin

    Nancy Nabil Ajram

    Joe Mantegna

    Sarah Shahi

    Keanu Reeves

    Esperanza Baur (Mrs. Wayne 2)
    ….?

  80. @syonredux

    I’d imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.
     
    Traditionally, they were just folded into the "White ethnic" category. They've done pretty well for themselves in America:

    Michael Ellis DeBakey (7 September 1908 – 11 July 2008) was a Lebanese-American cardiovascular surgeon, scientist, and medical educator. DeBakey was the chancellor emeritus of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, director of The Methodist DeBakey Heart & Vascular Center, and senior attending surgeon of The Methodist Hospital in Houston.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

    Danny Thomas (born Amos Muzyad Yaqoob Kairouz; January 6, 1912 – February 6, 1991) was an American nightclub comedian, singer, actor, producer, and philanthropist whose career spanned five decades. He created and starred in one of the most successful and long-running situation comedies in the history of American network television. In addition to guest roles on many of the comedy, talk, and musical variety programs of his time, his legacy includes a lifelong dedication to fundraising for charity.

    Thomas’s long career began in films in 1947, playing opposite child actress Margaret O'Brien in The Unfinished Dance (1947) and Big City (1948). He then starred in the long-running television sitcom Make Room for Daddy (also known as The Danny Thomas Show) (1953–1964), in which he played the lead role of Danny Williams. He was also the founder of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. He is the father of Marlo Thomas, Terre Thomas, and Tony Thomas.[2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Thomas

    William Peter Blatty (January 7, 1928 – January 12, 2017) was an American writer and filmmaker[1] best known for his 1971[1] novel The Exorcist and for the Academy Award-winning screenplay of its film adaptation. He also wrote and directed the sequel The Exorcist III.[1] After the success of The Exorcist, Blatty reworked Twinkle, Twinkle, "Killer" Kane! (1960) into a new novel titled The Ninth Configuration, published in 1978. Two years later, Blatty adapted the novel into a film of the same title and won Best Screenplay at the 38th Golden Globe Awards. Some of his other notable works are the novels Elsewhere (2009), Dimiter (2010) and Crazy (2010).

     


    Blatty was born on January 7, 1928, in New York City.[2][3] He was the fifth and youngest child of Lebanese immigrants,[3][4] Mary (née Mouakad), a devout Catholic and the niece of a bishop, and Peter Blatty, a cloth cutter.[5

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Peter_Blatty

    A former mayor of St. Louis, Francis Slay, is of paternal Lebanese Catholic descent. I think the Lebanese are considered white similar to other Mediterraneans.

  81. @Polynikes
    I don't get the Trump strategy on this one. Isn't allowing them to identify as non-white, and thereby decreasing the percentage of whites, actually better for consolidating the white vote?

    How does lying to actual whites motivate them to band together more than telling them the truth?

    Trump is horrifically wrong on this and so is Steve.

    It is in the interests of white Americans to know just how bad the demographics are. That is what motivates people to do something. Counting MENA people as white makes it look like whites are a larger share of the population than they really are, therefore there is less incentive for whites to take action to protect their majority.

    The idea that if we pretend that Arabs are the same as Europeans, it will somehow make it so is absurd. The bizarre thing is that if European countries did what Trump and Steve want America to do, most of the Muslim immigrants would be counted as members of the indigenous majority.

  82. “I can’t make myself blend in to something that has never really welcomed me, that has never made me feel like I’m a part of it,” she said.”

    Ahhh yes, the greatful immigrant with a heart of gold, just yearning to breath free …

    So her family was allowed to immigrate here, use every single institution, every single social program, every bit of infrastructure, yet whites didnt do enough for her.

    She certainly isnt moving back to Lebanon or Palestine though.

  83. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:

    “I don’t know,” he said. “Maybe I’ll do it for unselfish reasons, for the rest of the community to benefit, for your generation to gain the benefit. It could be.”

    That isn’t unselfish.

  84. Most of the Levantines who were classified as slightly exotic white people were Christians. Even if their physical appearance is the same there’s a common view that Muslims aren’t white.

    • Replies: @James Speaks

    Most of the Levantines who were classified as slightly exotic white people were Christians.
     
    To Levantines who are classified as white people, there appears to be a continuum from Palestine through Europe up to the North Sea. Even the English look normal, and many Scots too, but it's those weird Irish and the strange Norwegians/Swedish who look like other worldly elves to us. So there.

    BTW, most Levantine Christians made a point of assimilating into Western European society, recognizing it as having some advantages, to the point you can't recognize 2nd or 3rd generation Americans of Levantine descent unless the surname tells you so.

    Even if their physical appearance is the same there’s a common view that Muslims aren’t white.
     
    Curious. What about Sephardic Jews? They don't accept Jesus. Are they white? And Unitarians? They don't believe in the Trinity. And Wiccans. Are they non-white too?
  85. @Benjaminl
    We can rest assured that our future rulers are positioning themselves exactly as one would expect them to.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/3/4/shawah-white-not-including-middle-eastern/

    As someone who is half European and half Syrian, I can assure you that white and Middle Eastern are two very distinct races, holding different levels of esteem within American society, and should thus be listed as two separate options on all demographic surveys, including Harvard’s options for racial identification.
     

    Lol. Here’s a picture of her playing soccer in high school.

    The face of the oppressed!!!! Look at how DIFFERENT she looks from her white Becky opponent.

    Via: https://www.newstimes.com/highschool/article/Lawrence-scores-three-as-Masuk-girls-blank-Bethel-12192871.php

  86. @Canadian Observer
    Most of these Middle Eastern women of the current younger generation will stick with their own men, that is to be sure. However, more than a few of them will use a Discussion About Race as an excuse to sell themselves as a nice exotic choice for a deserving white Chad.

    Generally speaking, Middle Easterners don't have as much animus towards white people as compared to most other immigrant groups allowed to come here. A lot of it has to do with the fact that they don't really care for Jews or blacks all that much, so what's the point of embracing Cultural Marxism?

    Furthermore, if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.

    if you live in a deracinated part of America where all the white girls are fat tattooed mudsharks, a Christian Middle Eastern girlfriend is not a terrible option.

    Gold.

    (Although for me, the “Christian” bit would rule her out a priori – I don’t socialise with people who believe in stupid infantile primitive fairy-tales).

    I hadn’t ever seen the term “mudshark“; by the context it seemed likely to be similar to “pramface“.

    I still prefer “pramface“, though – because it’s indifferent regarding the racial mix of the burgeoning mass of Deltas that have been subsidised into existence.

    I don’t give a shit if the underclass is black, white, or brindle… I care that
    ① the underclass is expanding faster than the population as a whole;
    ② it’s an outcome of tax subsidies to reproduction (i.e., it’s a policy variable); and
    ③ the downstream effect on productivity is horrendous.

    This is something that the HBDers really need to think hard about: the odds of a white kid from a UK housing estate (or a US trailer park) ‘making it’ (e.g., rising one social class) are as low as the odds of a black kid from a similar background.

    Shitty genetics and bad environments are superadditive (in generating adverse outcomes) – and policy-based subsidies to reproduction operate in such a way that they encourage the genetic dross (again, black, white or brindle) to reproduce at above-replacement rates.

    (To be clear: there is no set of reproductive-subsidy policies than can operate in any other way – the social-welfare-maximising set of reproductive subsidies is an empty set).

  87. @Clifford Brown
    Will a Middle Eastern category mean that Jews could benefit from affirmative action? This would do wonders for corporate America's diversity track record.

    Will a Middle Eastern category mean that Jews could benefit from affirmative action? This would do wonders for corporate America’s diversity track record.

    Perhaps they will get reparations too?

  88. @IHTG
    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    The American Bolsonaro will be elected by a generation of white working class/Latino hybrids. IQ? Fuck IQ, what has it ever done for you?

    One of things that will be most difficult for the American far right to accept is that racial intermarriage on a vast scale is probably your most likely path to a nationalist restoration.

    Restore … to what?

    Will sleepy Brazil Norte guard its borders? Who knows, who cares.

  89. @bucky
    Prior to 9-11, GWB and Karl Rove looked to Muslims as a natural GOP constituency. I think they were right.

    Implicit is that Muslims identify as white in order to not identify as black. Identifying as black leads to many negative consequences. Look at the results with the half-black Colin Kaepernick. He was raised by a white family. His black father abandoned him. Who does he identify with? The people who nurtured him and provided for him? No. He primarily identifies with the man who abandoned him and did nothing for him. This is what black culture is in America.

    Also, everyone here is receiving some joy watching the new fearless Muslim congresswoman take on the Israel lobby.

    Muh natural brown constituency, huh. A better explanation is the GOP is irrelevant bought opposition and the real action is inside the Democrat party.

  90. @Kaganovitch
    It's similar to (sadly, apocryphal) Ma Ferguson's objection to bilingual education - "If English is good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the state of Texas".

    Forsooth! If English was good enough for William Shakespeare, then it’s good enough for me.

  91. @prosa123
    Most of the Levantines who were classified as slightly exotic white people were Christians. Even if their physical appearance is the same there's a common view that Muslims aren't white.

    Most of the Levantines who were classified as slightly exotic white people were Christians.

    To Levantines who are classified as white people, there appears to be a continuum from Palestine through Europe up to the North Sea. Even the English look normal, and many Scots too, but it’s those weird Irish and the strange Norwegians/Swedish who look like other worldly elves to us. So there.

    BTW, most Levantine Christians made a point of assimilating into Western European society, recognizing it as having some advantages, to the point you can’t recognize 2nd or 3rd generation Americans of Levantine descent unless the surname tells you so.

    Even if their physical appearance is the same there’s a common view that Muslims aren’t white.

    Curious. What about Sephardic Jews? They don’t accept Jesus. Are they white? And Unitarians? They don’t believe in the Trinity. And Wiccans. Are they non-white too?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I knew a guy from Lebanon in B-school. It took me months to figure out he was from Lebanon rather than from France.
  92. @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks have a “cute ax scent.”

     

    Have you been sniffing booty again, Joe?

    Reg, nun of yur bizness.

  93. @S. Anonyia
    I don’t get why they always fixate on food. Like white people are incapable of learning how to cook ethnic dishes...like Italian/Greek/French food doesn’t exist. Not to mention that white people of the Deep South are British/French and have developed a world class cuisine. Yes it’s African-influenced but whites contributed to its flavor just as much as blacks- it’s a hybrid cuisine.

    White people of middle America, step up your food game so these POCs and goodwhites will shut up about food once and for all.

    Agreed completely, Mr. Anonysia. Perhaps this is more appropriate for the other post of iSteve’s, but here is Peak Stupidity’s A taste of Somalia – more American Cuisine Change, along with a precursor post, The Stupidity of the Foodies.

  94. @James Speaks

    Most of the Levantines who were classified as slightly exotic white people were Christians.
     
    To Levantines who are classified as white people, there appears to be a continuum from Palestine through Europe up to the North Sea. Even the English look normal, and many Scots too, but it's those weird Irish and the strange Norwegians/Swedish who look like other worldly elves to us. So there.

    BTW, most Levantine Christians made a point of assimilating into Western European society, recognizing it as having some advantages, to the point you can't recognize 2nd or 3rd generation Americans of Levantine descent unless the surname tells you so.

    Even if their physical appearance is the same there’s a common view that Muslims aren’t white.
     
    Curious. What about Sephardic Jews? They don't accept Jesus. Are they white? And Unitarians? They don't believe in the Trinity. And Wiccans. Are they non-white too?

    I knew a guy from Lebanon in B-school. It took me months to figure out he was from Lebanon rather than from France.

  95. anon[614] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    >The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said.

    That's BS. The Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Pride stuff might get the headlines, but in the late 1960s, let alone before, most Hispanics tried to identify as white, given the social advantages, and outside of hardcore racialists, they were mostly viewed as such. They'd get offended if you implied they weren't, because outside of the uber-diverse places like New York City, "not white" at the time meant black. And to be fair to them, before the big Central American influxes of the 1980s and 1990s, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction, so it isn't as if they were lying. Hispanic didn't even become a census option until the 1970s.

    I'd imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    “Hispanic” will be replaced by “Indigenous”. As Steve is wont to note, lumping the children of Huitzilopochtli together with pure-blood descendants of Spanish conquerors as Hispanic is like categorizing Sitting Bull and Thomas Jefferson merely as a couple of Gringos.

    Hispanic is ridiculous, Indigenous has legs.

    The Indigenous movement will become the main prong of attack against the Unbearable Whiteness of America. Largely a front of course for socialist/anti-white/Asian/Islamic ambitions, all for the Dictatorship of the Indigenous.

    Indigenous movements in Europe = Nazism, naturally.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    See, it's things like calling guys like Jorge Ramos or Del Toro "indigenous" when they are visibly of European extraction-and far wealthier and more "privileged" than the people they mock and attack-that really discredit the New Cultural Bolsheviks in the public imagination. We ought to encourage more of that. The Internet makes the sort of Cold War-era enforced Overton Window that the New York Times and Washington Post pine for utterly impossible. The orthodox emperor needs to appear naked before the crowd as much as possible and not be aware of how much people find him ridiculous until he's being dragged out of the palace for execution.
  96. That old feeling of being an outsider—chronicled by white writers & artists in countless pop-culture products aimed at white, American youths—used to have a price. But now it can be parlayed into a safe slot in a government agency or in a corporate setting, where commitment to “diversity” is practiced by letting minorities openly discriminate, hiring & retaining mostly their fellow minorities. There are a lot of those workplaces. Alienation has dual uses, particularly that feeling of not fitting in due to skin pigmentation. When your alienation springs from being a racial or ethnic minority, you can hold onto your rebel-With-a-cause glam, while opportunistically using the same alienating social characteristic for financial and social gain.

  97. @istevefan

    It speaks volumes about American progressives that they actually think imitating the post-1960s Western European assimilation-free model of immigration, especially with Islamic countries, is anything approximating a wise idea.
     
    A couple of observations. First, I don't think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    Second, as far as assimilation is concerned it all depends on scale. If we were taking a thousand people per year, assimilating them would essentially blend them out of existence. However, at the numbers we have been taking for the past few decades, assimilation would blend us out of existence. As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I'd rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I'd rather have separate, distinct populations.

    > First, I don’t think they want assimilation because they really do want to tear down the society so that they can enact whatever it is they wish to enact that our current society will not accept. So immigration to them, post 1960s especially, was about tearing apart the social fabric to weaken its resistance to them.

    I don’t think it was an organized conspiracy because I just don’t think our rulers are that far-sighted. But Schelling points are a concept for a reason. There’s no question that America is far more vulnerable to the whims of powerful private interests than it was 50 years ago, and that “multiculturalism” as preached by the post-Cold War Left is an integral ingredient in that. Like so much else, the rise of the Baby Boomers to power coinciding with the collapse of the Soviet Union proved to be a disaster in the long run for the United States because our bipartisan elites had no more checks on their whims, whether social, economic, or in our dealings with foreign nations.

    >As long as we are going to have massive numbers of non-Europeans dumped into our lands, I’d rather they not assimilate because it would to more intermarriage. I’d rather have separate, distinct populations.

    Completely disagree. That would result in an imperial millet system through which elites could screw up America even more than they already have at best, and mass sectarian chaos at worst No, assimilation-and the resulting intermarriage-needs to be brought back and made stronger than ever, particularly if, with a saner, higher-skilled immigrant focus combined with an effort to raise the human capital of native-born Americans, this can have a positive eugenics effect, to counterbalance the worrying dysgenics that have infected American society like a plague as of late. It’s the only hope of preserving the coherence of American society and providing some sort of counterbalance against oligarchic interests.

  98. @nebulafox
    >The shift in racial identity started in the late 1960s, Gualtieri said.

    That's BS. The Zoot Suit Riots and the Chicano Pride stuff might get the headlines, but in the late 1960s, let alone before, most Hispanics tried to identify as white, given the social advantages, and outside of hardcore racialists, they were mostly viewed as such. They'd get offended if you implied they weren't, because outside of the uber-diverse places like New York City, "not white" at the time meant black. And to be fair to them, before the big Central American influxes of the 1980s and 1990s, the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in the US were Mexicans, mostly of full or part European Spanish extraction, so it isn't as if they were lying. Hispanic didn't even become a census option until the 1970s.

    I'd imagine it was much the same for Arabs, especially Maronite and Palestinian Christians.

    ‘Hispanic’ is now useless term.

    Hispanics should be divided among

    1. Lecheans, or people who are mostly of Spanish ancestry.

    2. Tacoans, or mestizos.

    3. Maizians, or native indios.

  99. @anon
    "Hispanic" will be replaced by "Indigenous". As Steve is wont to note, lumping the children of Huitzilopochtli together with pure-blood descendants of Spanish conquerors as Hispanic is like categorizing Sitting Bull and Thomas Jefferson merely as a couple of Gringos.

    Hispanic is ridiculous, Indigenous has legs.

    The Indigenous movement will become the main prong of attack against the Unbearable Whiteness of America. Largely a front of course for socialist/anti-white/Asian/Islamic ambitions, all for the Dictatorship of the Indigenous.

    Indigenous movements in Europe = Nazism, naturally.

    See, it’s things like calling guys like Jorge Ramos or Del Toro “indigenous” when they are visibly of European extraction-and far wealthier and more “privileged” than the people they mock and attack-that really discredit the New Cultural Bolsheviks in the public imagination. We ought to encourage more of that. The Internet makes the sort of Cold War-era enforced Overton Window that the New York Times and Washington Post pine for utterly impossible. The orthodox emperor needs to appear naked before the crowd as much as possible and not be aware of how much people find him ridiculous until he’s being dragged out of the palace for execution.

  100. @istevefan
    Trump barely won Wisconsin in 2016, which was a shock. Now comes this from the new democrat governor of Wisconsin. Illegals to be given driver's licenses. It won't take many illegals voting in 2020 to tilt the election against Trump.

    https://twitter.com/GovEvers/status/1101289976896126976

    It wasn’t a shock to me. But it will be this time, if things don’t radically change soon.

    Trump could try actually… fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued. Doing the latter makes Ivanka and Kushner happy, of course, and it allows Trump to follow the path of least resistance while pretending he’s still accepted in certain elite corners of society.

    Of course, the former would also ensure re-election, as the DNC is more focused than ever on the interests of foreigners, rich and poor, the gentry classes, and sufficiently woke oligarchs over ordinary Americans. It might even revive the Republican Party into something that can survive long-term and be elected on its own merits as opposed to public distaste for their opponents. Hoping to get re-elected through the latter, by contrast, is a flight of fancy. George W. Bush killed Buckleyite fusionism for good: the voters have zero interest in more tax cuts for plutocrats or more foreign invasions. End of story, time to move on.

    • Replies: @istevefan

    Trump could try actually… fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued.
     
    Even Lou Dobbs is noticing. Check out this 3 minute monologue.

    https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1103453101036658688
  101. @nebulafox
    It wasn't a shock to me. But it will be this time, if things don't radically change soon.

    Trump could try actually... fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued. Doing the latter makes Ivanka and Kushner happy, of course, and it allows Trump to follow the path of least resistance while pretending he's still accepted in certain elite corners of society.

    Of course, the former would also ensure re-election, as the DNC is more focused than ever on the interests of foreigners, rich and poor, the gentry classes, and sufficiently woke oligarchs over ordinary Americans. It might even revive the Republican Party into something that can survive long-term and be elected on its own merits as opposed to public distaste for their opponents. Hoping to get re-elected through the latter, by contrast, is a flight of fancy. George W. Bush killed Buckleyite fusionism for good: the voters have zero interest in more tax cuts for plutocrats or more foreign invasions. End of story, time to move on.

    Trump could try actually… fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued.

    Even Lou Dobbs is noticing. Check out this 3 minute monologue.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    If Trump really thinks that pleasing the Chamber of Commerce is going to deliver him victory in 2020, he deserves to lose by virtue of stupidity alone. Forget the actual disaster this is going to be policy-wise for our national interests: just plain political stupidity.

    It doesn't matter in the long run, though, There seems to be a strong delusion among the CPAC types that, if they could just find the right messenger for Conservatism Inc, they'll be back in the saddle, that they'll somehow convince either Hispanics or white-working class Rust Belters (equally delusional) to handsomely reward them for their oligarch-fetishism. The problem isn't the messenger: it is the ideology. It's rotten. Foreign policy, socioeconomically, politically, it was totally bankrupted by George W. Bush and the in-thrall-to-mental-escapism GOP that followed, and isn't going to become any less bankrupt by Trump's failures. It'll never win a Presidential election again, because it doesn't benefit anybody except Republican donors and a few other select groups, none of whom have the votes necessary to win a Presidential election. It is that simple. And 2012 should prove that the people who put Trump in office will be willing to sit home if the GOP insists on nominating the usual suspects against all electoral common sense.

    Another populist insurgent is going to pop up in the GOP eventually. Maybe not in the next election cycle or two, but eventually someone is going to pick up on the vacuum and decide to take advantage of it. That someone is likely going to be less of a clown, and whatever his own feelings, learn from Trump that his political power rests on his appeal to the masses, not to the K-Street boys. And unless they can cook up some kind of super-delegate mechanism like the Democrats, he's going to win the nomination, no matter how much money or negative media coverage the TrueCons try to throw against him.

    , @Jimbo24
    I don't understand. What does Lou Dobbs, Tucker Carlson and the rest of anti-business conservatives want exactly? You want Trump to shut down corporations and discourage business creation? Who do you think provides jobs for these working-class folks you're talking about? Business, that's who. Either by working for someone else, or by making it easier for them to start their own business. So when it comes to unemployment, business has to be on the table. Last month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said US job openings reached a record high in December at 7.3 million. That's a lot of new jobs to fill, and we're already at full employment. So you have two solutions: exhaust the native workforce, or make the newcomers better matched to market demands.

    And Trump is trying to do both. Since he wants to decrease immigration, then the least he can do is try to select would-be immigrants based on the needed skills rather than the stupid lottery we already have. As to the native would-be workers, well, that's what much of the discussion with Cook was about, when they went on about hiring more people with no college degrees, and introducing coding and computer literacy in high school, that way you get a higher pool of qualified people to meet current market demands. That's a good thing, encouraging business to put less of an emphasis on college degrees and more on actual skill.

    Yeah, the tax rates are lower, but tax revenue is still high as ever. Why? Because when people get to keep more of their money, they produce and invest more, hence the growth. And when GDP grows, so does tax revenue, because it's now a tax percentage of an even greater amount of wealth.
    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2019/01/22/state-tax-revenue-makes-biggest-gains-in-seven-years

    And this talk that Trump's cuts are unpopular with people on the right is just not true. Yes, plurality of Americans (46%) disapprove of them, but 76% of Republicans approve of them.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/243611/disapprove-approve-2017-tax-cuts.aspx

    So again, I don't know what you want Trump (or the government) to do exactly. You want more of that Medicare and that type of stuff? Is that what this tax talk is about? In this case, you already have a party with that kind of redistributionist platform: just vote Democrat and be done with it. And the Democrats do deliver on those things. Just look at California's tax rates and labor regulations, or that Virginia governor and his expansion of Medicaid. Or maybe you want two economically left-wing parties? I don't. I want to have the option of voting for a tax- and regulation- and spending-slashing party. Though it's not that good on cutting spending either.

  102. @Kaganovitch
    It's similar to (sadly, apocryphal) Ma Ferguson's objection to bilingual education - "If English is good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the state of Texas".

    On the other hand, this sounds so much better in French.

    Je te veux

    J’ai très envie de toi

    J’ai une mauvaise motricité

  103. @istevefan

    Trump could try actually… fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued.
     
    Even Lou Dobbs is noticing. Check out this 3 minute monologue.

    https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1103453101036658688

    If Trump really thinks that pleasing the Chamber of Commerce is going to deliver him victory in 2020, he deserves to lose by virtue of stupidity alone. Forget the actual disaster this is going to be policy-wise for our national interests: just plain political stupidity.

    It doesn’t matter in the long run, though, There seems to be a strong delusion among the CPAC types that, if they could just find the right messenger for Conservatism Inc, they’ll be back in the saddle, that they’ll somehow convince either Hispanics or white-working class Rust Belters (equally delusional) to handsomely reward them for their oligarch-fetishism. The problem isn’t the messenger: it is the ideology. It’s rotten. Foreign policy, socioeconomically, politically, it was totally bankrupted by George W. Bush and the in-thrall-to-mental-escapism GOP that followed, and isn’t going to become any less bankrupt by Trump’s failures. It’ll never win a Presidential election again, because it doesn’t benefit anybody except Republican donors and a few other select groups, none of whom have the votes necessary to win a Presidential election. It is that simple. And 2012 should prove that the people who put Trump in office will be willing to sit home if the GOP insists on nominating the usual suspects against all electoral common sense.

    Another populist insurgent is going to pop up in the GOP eventually. Maybe not in the next election cycle or two, but eventually someone is going to pick up on the vacuum and decide to take advantage of it. That someone is likely going to be less of a clown, and whatever his own feelings, learn from Trump that his political power rests on his appeal to the masses, not to the K-Street boys. And unless they can cook up some kind of super-delegate mechanism like the Democrats, he’s going to win the nomination, no matter how much money or negative media coverage the TrueCons try to throw against him.

    • Replies: @Anon1
    Good points.
  104. @nebulafox
    If Trump really thinks that pleasing the Chamber of Commerce is going to deliver him victory in 2020, he deserves to lose by virtue of stupidity alone. Forget the actual disaster this is going to be policy-wise for our national interests: just plain political stupidity.

    It doesn't matter in the long run, though, There seems to be a strong delusion among the CPAC types that, if they could just find the right messenger for Conservatism Inc, they'll be back in the saddle, that they'll somehow convince either Hispanics or white-working class Rust Belters (equally delusional) to handsomely reward them for their oligarch-fetishism. The problem isn't the messenger: it is the ideology. It's rotten. Foreign policy, socioeconomically, politically, it was totally bankrupted by George W. Bush and the in-thrall-to-mental-escapism GOP that followed, and isn't going to become any less bankrupt by Trump's failures. It'll never win a Presidential election again, because it doesn't benefit anybody except Republican donors and a few other select groups, none of whom have the votes necessary to win a Presidential election. It is that simple. And 2012 should prove that the people who put Trump in office will be willing to sit home if the GOP insists on nominating the usual suspects against all electoral common sense.

    Another populist insurgent is going to pop up in the GOP eventually. Maybe not in the next election cycle or two, but eventually someone is going to pick up on the vacuum and decide to take advantage of it. That someone is likely going to be less of a clown, and whatever his own feelings, learn from Trump that his political power rests on his appeal to the masses, not to the K-Street boys. And unless they can cook up some kind of super-delegate mechanism like the Democrats, he's going to win the nomination, no matter how much money or negative media coverage the TrueCons try to throw against him.

    Good points.

  105. @istevefan

    Trump could try actually… fighting for the people who put him in office, and what they want, rather than the GOP cognoscenti and donors who encouraged a watered down version of what Jeb Bush would have pursued.
     
    Even Lou Dobbs is noticing. Check out this 3 minute monologue.

    https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1103453101036658688

    I don’t understand. What does Lou Dobbs, Tucker Carlson and the rest of anti-business conservatives want exactly? You want Trump to shut down corporations and discourage business creation? Who do you think provides jobs for these working-class folks you’re talking about? Business, that’s who. Either by working for someone else, or by making it easier for them to start their own business. So when it comes to unemployment, business has to be on the table. Last month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics said US job openings reached a record high in December at 7.3 million. That’s a lot of new jobs to fill, and we’re already at full employment. So you have two solutions: exhaust the native workforce, or make the newcomers better matched to market demands.

    And Trump is trying to do both. Since he wants to decrease immigration, then the least he can do is try to select would-be immigrants based on the needed skills rather than the stupid lottery we already have. As to the native would-be workers, well, that’s what much of the discussion with Cook was about, when they went on about hiring more people with no college degrees, and introducing coding and computer literacy in high school, that way you get a higher pool of qualified people to meet current market demands. That’s a good thing, encouraging business to put less of an emphasis on college degrees and more on actual skill.

    Yeah, the tax rates are lower, but tax revenue is still high as ever. Why? Because when people get to keep more of their money, they produce and invest more, hence the growth. And when GDP grows, so does tax revenue, because it’s now a tax percentage of an even greater amount of wealth.
    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2019/01/22/state-tax-revenue-makes-biggest-gains-in-seven-years

    And this talk that Trump’s cuts are unpopular with people on the right is just not true. Yes, plurality of Americans (46%) disapprove of them, but 76% of Republicans approve of them.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/243611/disapprove-approve-2017-tax-cuts.aspx

    So again, I don’t know what you want Trump (or the government) to do exactly. You want more of that Medicare and that type of stuff? Is that what this tax talk is about? In this case, you already have a party with that kind of redistributionist platform: just vote Democrat and be done with it. And the Democrats do deliver on those things. Just look at California’s tax rates and labor regulations, or that Virginia governor and his expansion of Medicaid. Or maybe you want two economically left-wing parties? I don’t. I want to have the option of voting for a tax- and regulation- and spending-slashing party. Though it’s not that good on cutting spending either.

  106. From a white nationalist perspective, counting MENAs as a separate racial group might make whites more aware that their numbers are actually lower than they thought, which might prompt to vote their racial interests more uniformly.

    On the other hand, racial minorities have a bad track record of voting left, probably because they don’t see themselves as part of the mainstream, as “other”. This is encouraged by the Democratic Party’s identity politics and its Coalition of the Fringes.

    How else would you explain Asians voting left? Not by a big margin, but still. By and large, Asians do well for themselves, and lead utterly conservative lives. Hispanics are also doing well for themselves, yet vote left, with the exception of Cuban-Americans.
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2019/03/07/latinos-incomes-higher-than-before-great-recession-but-u-s-born-latinos-yet-to-recover/

    Blacks aren’t even that liberal. They’re not so socially. And even when asked economically, they’re less likely than white liberals to have a problem with things like income inequality or to oppose tax cuts for corporations. The only economic and fiscal aspect they’re liberal on is the safety net, and the only social one are the racial issues. But I guess that’s enough for a constant 90%+ of them to vote D.

    And so that would be the negative aspect of adding another racial minority to the mix. Chances are, if you’re gonna make it racially conscious as “other”, it’ll be yet another Democratic voting bloc. And at some point, even if a vast majority of whites voted Republican, they wouldn’t be able to outweigh the “Coalition”, as young people are already majority non-white or close to it.

    Now whether Middle Easterners are actually white or not. I’d say not. At least not in the cultural sense. When people think of white, they think of someone that looks European.

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