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From Yahoo News:

‘Finland’s no good’: Disappointed migrants turn back
AFP By Anne Kauranen

Tornio (Finland) (AFP) – Hundreds of predominantly Iraqi migrants who have travelled through Europe to reach Finland are turning back, saying they don’t want to stay in the sparsely-populated country on Europe’s northern frontier because it’s too cold and boring.

Migrants have in recent weeks been crossing back into Sweden at the Haparanda-Tornio border just an hour’s drive south of the Arctic Circle, and Finnish authorities have seen a rise in the number of cancelled asylum applications.

“You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,” 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.

He had already travelled from Tornio to the capital Helsinki almost 750 kilometres (465 miles) south, and then back up to the Tornio border again to return to Sweden.

… Another group of around 15 Iraqi refugees waiting at the bus station that Tornio shares with its Swedish twin town Haparanda also said they wanted to go back to southern Sweden.

“Finland is no good,” the men echoed each other.

Sweden may be just as cold as Finland, but Sweden has bigger immigrant communities because of a longer history of integration.

 
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  1. Tough to find local flesh to enjoy when the streets are bare. Have to feel for them though: poor old migrants to a land of ice and snow. Nothing a good car-becue won’t liven up.

  2. • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @George

    Odd they don't run stories about Gazans having too many children, or Hatians, or Lebanese, or Syrians, or Africans. No it is the one Westernized country in the Mideast that should not have so many children. I am sure if the Japanese started having them, the press would be filled with stories about too many Japanese. It is the intelligent who must not have children. The more intelligent, the more we must worry about them having children. The dysgenic propaganda that is pushed on us is scary.

  3. From the article:
    [Finland has registered over 14,000 asylum seekers so far this year, and it expects a total of at least 30,000 by the end of the year — eight times as many as in 2014.]

    That would be the equivalent of about 2 million a year in the US.
    Actually, it wouldn’t have been a bad article, if it hadn’t used the word “refugees” twice.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @5371

    Refraining from calling them refugees wouldnt advance the narrative tho

  4. Even the “desperate” migrants are picky. Who do these people think they are?.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Ttjy

    Uh, with a name like Mohammed, they believe that they are the true heirs of God; therefore the lands of the infidels should be thankful, grateful that they are deigning to come to seek asylum in their lands. If Finland doesn't want this vibrant diversity in their midst, then they will simply go to Sweden and liven up their nation. Think about it. They willingly travelled all the way from the Middle East just to come to Finland (though they were technically uninvited but thats not the point) and this is the thanks that they received. Boring. That is one of the worst sins a nation can be. Ranks up their with nationalist.

    Finland's loss is Sweden's gain.

    , @Kat Grey
    @Ttjy

    Gods.

  5. They took one look at the sullen faces of the perpetually depressed Finlanders and turned around.

    Seasonal affective disorder? I’ve read that, but one would think they’d have evolved to handle that lack of sun.

    • Replies: @tj
    @e

    People use, happy lights in Alaska, to avoid the long dark winter depression. They are big lights that imitate sunlight.

  6. Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I’d imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @e

    There are lots of illegals in Western Oregon and Washington. Rural farm labor in row crops, tree and shrub nurseries, construction, fast food, etc.

    Replies: @e

    , @Daniel Williams
    @e

    You would be incorrect. Mexicans arrive with depressing regularity to Oregon every day. Even Eugene's filling up with them now.

    , @Chance
    @e

    I live in Eastern Washington and the Mexican invasion has been underway on this side of the state for decades. They came for the farm work, stayed for the welfare and drug money.

    , @Perspective
    @e

    "Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?"

    Not too many Mexicans make their way to Canada, though a record number of legal Mexican immigrants (4478) did come in 2014. Many probably went to Calgary for economic reasons. Aside from that group, many Filipinos, Indians and Pakistanis have come to Calgary in the last decade because of the (former) oil boom. The general immigration trend to Canada has been South Asians and Filipinos displacing the Chinese as the dominant immigrant group. Only 25917 came from China, Taiwan and Hong Kong in 2014, compared with approx 65,000 in 1994.

    , @JSM
    @e

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?
    I wish. I live in Wonderful (40 below wind chills in January, winter lasts nine months, blizzards in April are a staple) Wyoming and our local school district is being driven broke trying to teach all the illegal aliens' kids to read and speak English. Walmart, you're more likely to hear Spanish than English.

    , @gruff
    @e

    I can confirm what the others say. Most of the landscaping and lower level contracting (painting etc) in Oregon's largest city is done by Hispanics, some with hardly any English.

    , @iSteveFan
    @e


    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I’d imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?
     
    It's not the weather that draws or repels Mexicans. They are drawn to areas where the Europeans are. Any European area in North America that is reasonably economically successful can expect to eventually find itself with a Mexican population so long as our immigration policies remain the same.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Steve Sailer

    , @Grumpy
    @e

    This comment bothers me, because it demonstrates complete ignorance of the enormous scale and spread of Mexican migration to the United States. If you are an American, "e," then you had better get out and look around. You are living decades in the past.

    , @Olorin
    @e

    What Grumpy said.

    You want to p!ss off a small business owner in OR or WA? Ask him/her if he uses eVerify when you're shopping for landscaping, construction, contracting, farmwork, dog grooming, cat shaving, or anything else.

    These more-American-than-thou cowboy-hat entrepreneurs don't like that. They use illegals heavily and externalize the costs onto taxpayers.

    Then they wonder why we laugh in their faces when they bash on about the sanctity of "the private sector," or screech about how "liberals are socialists."

  7. When they saw the welcoming committee, they suddenly felt less enthusiastic about making Finland their new home.

    • Replies: @Stubborn in Germany
    @Stubborn in Germany

    Dunno why the image won't display? It did in the preview.

    Clickable link, then: http://www.daveling.co.uk/lordi.jpg

  8. “Sweden may be just as cold as Finland, but Sweden has bigger immigrant communities because of a longer history of integration.”

    They flee countries filled with people who look and think like themselves only to want to settle in communities filled with people who look and think like themselves – but with lots of goodies provided by people who don’t look and think like themselves.

    First, they don’t want to live in neighborhoods surrounded by a lot of whites. Isn’t that racism?

    Second, it seems to provide pretty solid proof that more immigration…leads to more immigration.

    The open borders folks argue that the way to stop illegal immigration is to expand legal immigration. But more legal immigration only seems to create more networks that facilitate more legal immigration (via chain migration and the political influence of naturalized immigrants) and illegal immigration. Legal immigrants often harbor their illegal family members, and are often used to recruit illegals for various employers.

    • Replies: @ivvenalis
    @Wilkey

    Open Borders zealots favor Open Borders, period. It doesn't matter whether it will lead to more immigration or less. The former outcome means that we need Open Borders because so many people want to immigrate/be with their own kind; the latter means it's not that big a deal anyway so why do you care so much?

    Replies: @Wilkey

  9. The Finnish language would be completely alien to an Arabic speaker. Most Western European languages would be far easier.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Grumpy Old Man

    They would be equally alien. Any "international" words that an average Arabic speaker would know would also be found in Finnish.

    Replies: @James Kabala, @SteveO

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The absurdity of the whole situation from start to finish – why the Hell are middle eastern men choosing to live in a christian sub-arctic deeply parochial little nation?, whilst ignoring the vast swathes of culturally similar nations, has never made any sense to me.

    Unless you factor in dumb whitey giving away taxpayer cash to complete aliens with no connection to the nation.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    "Christian"?

    Er, yeah, if by that you mean everyone is nominally Lutheran, but few attend church, and when they do, it can be heavy metal masses.

    My Finnish relatives are all heathen, and damn proud of it.

    The national religion of Finland is metal. And winter. Period.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A bigger point is that there is a good reason why Finland is so underpopulated compared to the more temperate European nations.
    Basically, it could never ever support a mass population until the age of mass food and fuel imports.
    Trying to lumber such an environmentally stressed nation with more people is crazy.

    • Replies: @A Suomalainen
    @Anonymous

    This is an important fact. In the beginning of 20th century over the half of world's population north of the Arctic Circle were Finns (i.e. before the great artificially created mass immingration to the northern part of Soviet Union and "Norwegianization" of northern Norway). Actually, ecologically speaking Finland is already overpopulated. In the 19th century the country faced several famines - the last ones in the 1868-1869, i.e. after the famous Irish potato famine. Finnish nature and agriculture were unable to support the population of under 2 million people on a meager year. Finnish ecological activist Pentti Linkola has said, that the "natural" population of Finland should be between 1 and 2 millions. In the early middle age Finland probably had population of less than hundred thousand people.

    Replies: @Olorin

  12. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    There are lots of illegals in Western Oregon and Washington. Rural farm labor in row crops, tree and shrub nurseries, construction, fast food, etc.

    • Replies: @e
    @Boomstick

    Shows you what I know. Guess I should have checked the demos. I'd have thought the eastern portion of the state would have had more...in the apple growing business, perhaps.

  13. Alien scroungers don’t like Finland? Lucky Finns!

    • Replies: @Perspective
    @Richard of Melbourne

    My thoughts exactly, looks like Finland dodged a bullet. Perhaps this strategy could be deployed elsewhere.

  14. @Stubborn in Germany
    When they saw the welcoming committee, they suddenly felt less enthusiastic about making Finland their new home.


    Replies: @Stubborn in Germany

    Dunno why the image won’t display? It did in the preview.

    Clickable link, then:

  15. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    You would be incorrect. Mexicans arrive with depressing regularity to Oregon every day. Even Eugene’s filling up with them now.

  16. @Wilkey
    "Sweden may be just as cold as Finland, but Sweden has bigger immigrant communities because of a longer history of integration."

    They flee countries filled with people who look and think like themselves only to want to settle in communities filled with people who look and think like themselves - but with lots of goodies provided by people who don't look and think like themselves.

    First, they don't want to live in neighborhoods surrounded by a lot of whites. Isn't that racism?

    Second, it seems to provide pretty solid proof that more immigration...leads to more immigration.

    The open borders folks argue that the way to stop illegal immigration is to expand legal immigration. But more legal immigration only seems to create more networks that facilitate more legal immigration (via chain migration and the political influence of naturalized immigrants) and illegal immigration. Legal immigrants often harbor their illegal family members, and are often used to recruit illegals for various employers.

    Replies: @ivvenalis

    Open Borders zealots favor Open Borders, period. It doesn’t matter whether it will lead to more immigration or less. The former outcome means that we need Open Borders because so many people want to immigrate/be with their own kind; the latter means it’s not that big a deal anyway so why do you care so much?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @ivvenalis

    My second point, really, was that more legal immigration leads to more illegal immigration. Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them. I've read quotes from legal immigrants that if they weren't allowed to bring their family members here legally that they would simply do so illegally. It was pretty chilling to read that individuals be so callously indifferent to the wishes of the people who had generously allowed them to migrate here.

    But that's gratitude for you. People are never grateful for very long, especially immigrants. That's especially true in the case of Muslim immigrants. Extremely rare is the Muslim who is very friendly or polite.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @unpc downunder, @Kerry

  17. I guess today there’s no more of “beggars can’t be choosers.”

    Gets you called “racist,” accused of “speaking from Privilege.” You know the drill.

  18. Yes, Sweden has large numbers of non-Swedish ethnic enclaves because of a history of, err, integration.

    • Replies: @TBA
    @Oliver Cromwell

    "Integration" seems to be have gotten the meaning of "immigration" or "diversity". When propagandizing for something people dislike, you mustn't run out of euphemisms.

  19. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    I live in Eastern Washington and the Mexican invasion has been underway on this side of the state for decades. They came for the farm work, stayed for the welfare and drug money.

  20. So after all the blood and treasure — in that order — spent intervening in Iraq, the West’s reward — or punishment if you will — is unending legions of Iraqi “refugees”. Unreal — the stupidity and criminal incompetence of the world’s “leaders” is unreal.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @eah

    Don't look now, but the emigration train has started leaving Afghanistan for the Afghanis' natural home in Christian Germany or somewhere in Christian Europe. Just imagine the essential skills that an illiterate Afghani can bring to Europe. One more good reason why we should have left that backward, landlocked Muslim country as soon as we expelled the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which was a few months after we decided to invade back in 2001. As one commenter on TAC put it a few years back, Afghanistan was a failed narco state before we intervened there, it was a failed narco state while we were there, and it will be a failed narco state after we leave.

  21. the stupidity and criminal incompetence of the world’s “leaders” is unreal”

    Unless the refugees are a feature, not a bug.

    btw, I’ve not been able to access Dalrock’s blog for 15 hours now – nor any WordPress blog. I know they have some recent issues with spyware

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/over-2-000-wordpress-sites-are-infecting-users-with-spyware-492825.shtml

    but can anyone else see wordpress ? I can’t even get to wordpress.com

  22. “Sweden may be just as cold as Finland, but Sweden has bigger immigrant communities because of a longer history of integration.”

    –I thought you wrote that yourself, Steve. Were they being unintentionally funny here, or is this a bit of intelligent hidden sabotaging of the narrative? “Sweden has more immigrant ghettoes and no-go zones because of a longer history of integration” would have been too obvious and less funny, though.

  23. Was talking to a Chinese friend the other day. She is married to a Swede and quite likes Sweden. She had been living in Denmark but apparently Denmark dicks around giving out permanent residency, so she had moved over to Sweden in order to gain permanent residency(the more world-wise Danes).

    She had some insightful comments about Sweden. “In Sweden everyone acts so old!” We had been complaining about Swedes exaggerating the uniqueness and fabulousness of Fika culture.(A more formal version of a coffee break with pastries and cookies). “In China young people meet up with friends, go to bars and go out dancing.” “Here in Sweden everyone acts 70 years old, just Fika all the time, no pubs or bars outside big cities, nowhere to dance”. Not exactly true but she has a point. It can be very hard for an outsider to adjust to the void. No pub culture out in the smaller towns, no “piss ups” after work. Not much open. The taciturn Swedes locked behind their triple glazed windows.

    It is cruel to provide incentives to pull people here away from their lands with their superior weather. The goodies are going run out at some time and they’ll be stuck here, unwanted.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tacitus2016


    It is cruel to provide incentives to pull people here away from their lands with their superior weather. The goodies are going run out at some time and they’ll be stuck here, unwanted.
     
    Once Germany, with the best economy and most billionaires in Europe, has their generous social welfare well run dry, these peoples will migrate to other parts of Europe to cull whatever they can.
    , @Friedrich
    @Tacitus2016

    Swedes are from the nordic race, and people from the north are more introverted than people from southern Europe (or Africa/middle east, for that matter). Due to the colder climate, people in the north would spend more time in their houses. In the south you'd be more outside, chatting with people and so on. This created the high levels of introversion among northern people. It is said that north east asians are quite unsociable/reserved (on average).

  24. • Replies: @Ivy
    @Tacitus2016

    The travel agent apparently told them that they'd be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka

    Replies: @Tacitus2016, @Fredrik

  25. The Germans are now having a problem of rape and sexual harassment by the newcomers. Local women are being advised to wear clothing to cover themselves up lest the migrants ‘misunderstand’. Finland may thus fortunately be dodging this bullet.

  26. Not enough iPhone and Samsung chargers in the land of Nokia.

  27. Sounds like the stereotypes in the web comic Scandinavia And The World http://satwcomic.com/the-world might have some truth to them.

    The Finn is always depicted as a sullen, angry, knife wielding loner. Maybe the angry knife wielding refugees realize that the Finns won’t put up with their crap.

    The cartoonist’s take on the “refugee” invasion:
    http://satwcomic.com/looking-for-a-new-home

  28. Finland takes the responsibility to offer asylum to any iraqi who manages to get here. Couple hundred a day, plus the same amount of assorted somalis, afgans and others. Population replacement is quick with these numbers, four times more immigrants than babies born. Only few go back. 200 of 14 000 thoudand have gone Bäck because Finland toi boring

  29. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    “Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?”

    Not too many Mexicans make their way to Canada, though a record number of legal Mexican immigrants (4478) did come in 2014. Many probably went to Calgary for economic reasons. Aside from that group, many Filipinos, Indians and Pakistanis have come to Calgary in the last decade because of the (former) oil boom. The general immigration trend to Canada has been South Asians and Filipinos displacing the Chinese as the dominant immigrant group. Only 25917 came from China, Taiwan and Hong Kong in 2014, compared with approx 65,000 in 1994.

  30. @Richard of Melbourne
    Alien scroungers don't like Finland? Lucky Finns!

    Replies: @Perspective

    My thoughts exactly, looks like Finland dodged a bullet. Perhaps this strategy could be deployed elsewhere.

  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tacitus2016
    Was talking to a Chinese friend the other day. She is married to a Swede and quite likes Sweden. She had been living in Denmark but apparently Denmark dicks around giving out permanent residency, so she had moved over to Sweden in order to gain permanent residency(the more world-wise Danes).

    She had some insightful comments about Sweden. "In Sweden everyone acts so old!" We had been complaining about Swedes exaggerating the uniqueness and fabulousness of Fika culture.(A more formal version of a coffee break with pastries and cookies). "In China young people meet up with friends, go to bars and go out dancing." "Here in Sweden everyone acts 70 years old, just Fika all the time, no pubs or bars outside big cities, nowhere to dance". Not exactly true but she has a point. It can be very hard for an outsider to adjust to the void. No pub culture out in the smaller towns, no "piss ups" after work. Not much open. The taciturn Swedes locked behind their triple glazed windows.

    It is cruel to provide incentives to pull people here away from their lands with their superior weather. The goodies are going run out at some time and they'll be stuck here, unwanted.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Friedrich

    It is cruel to provide incentives to pull people here away from their lands with their superior weather. The goodies are going run out at some time and they’ll be stuck here, unwanted.

    Once Germany, with the best economy and most billionaires in Europe, has their generous social welfare well run dry, these peoples will migrate to other parts of Europe to cull whatever they can.

  32. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?
    I wish. I live in Wonderful (40 below wind chills in January, winter lasts nine months, blizzards in April are a staple) Wyoming and our local school district is being driven broke trying to teach all the illegal aliens’ kids to read and speak English. Walmart, you’re more likely to hear Spanish than English.

  33. Wait a minute, I thought immigrants liven up a boring white place with their color and spice. But these migrants just turn back?

    Btw, all these Holocaust references….

    Don’t Germans remember the massive rapes that resulted from the invasion in WWII?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html

  34. @Tacitus2016
    Was talking to a Chinese friend the other day. She is married to a Swede and quite likes Sweden. She had been living in Denmark but apparently Denmark dicks around giving out permanent residency, so she had moved over to Sweden in order to gain permanent residency(the more world-wise Danes).

    She had some insightful comments about Sweden. "In Sweden everyone acts so old!" We had been complaining about Swedes exaggerating the uniqueness and fabulousness of Fika culture.(A more formal version of a coffee break with pastries and cookies). "In China young people meet up with friends, go to bars and go out dancing." "Here in Sweden everyone acts 70 years old, just Fika all the time, no pubs or bars outside big cities, nowhere to dance". Not exactly true but she has a point. It can be very hard for an outsider to adjust to the void. No pub culture out in the smaller towns, no "piss ups" after work. Not much open. The taciturn Swedes locked behind their triple glazed windows.

    It is cruel to provide incentives to pull people here away from their lands with their superior weather. The goodies are going run out at some time and they'll be stuck here, unwanted.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Friedrich

    Swedes are from the nordic race, and people from the north are more introverted than people from southern Europe (or Africa/middle east, for that matter). Due to the colder climate, people in the north would spend more time in their houses. In the south you’d be more outside, chatting with people and so on. This created the high levels of introversion among northern people. It is said that north east asians are quite unsociable/reserved (on average).

  35. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    I can confirm what the others say. Most of the landscaping and lower level contracting (painting etc) in Oregon’s largest city is done by Hispanics, some with hardly any English.

  36. @Tacitus2016
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fika_(culture)

    Replies: @Ivy

    The travel agent apparently told them that they’d be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka

    • Replies: @Tacitus2016
    @Ivy

    When a man is bored with Flicka culture, he is tired of life.

    , @Fredrik
    @Ivy

    Flicka is the oldfashioned/formal Swedish word for girl.

    Replies: @Ivy

  37. So boredom has it benefits.

    This brings up another issue, the difference between competitive countries and exotic countries. Japan is competitive, India is exotic; Germany(for now) is competitive, Italy is exotic; America(for now) is competitive, Brazil is exotic etc… People in competitive countries often romanticize exotic countries and may like to vacation or visit there, but you don’t really want to live there. People from exotic countries want to live in competitive countries.

    So let’s hope Finland stay boring and competitive.

  38. @Oliver Cromwell
    Yes, Sweden has large numbers of non-Swedish ethnic enclaves because of a history of, err, integration.

    Replies: @TBA

    “Integration” seems to be have gotten the meaning of “immigration” or “diversity”. When propagandizing for something people dislike, you mustn’t run out of euphemisms.

  39. The asylum seeker situation in Finland has become catastrophic in the recent months. We’re getting around 500 0f them a day, so that would be approximately 200,000 a year. The official estimate for this year is 30,000-50,000. On top of that there are the quota refugees (around 2,000 a year, picked from the refugee camps in the Middle East), the family reunifications, and the fact that these people breed like rabbits. And that’s just for one year. So we’re talking about enormous numbers for a small country.

    The politicians aren’t doing much about it, they love immigration, “tolerance” and “internationalism” etc. There’s been a misconception in this part of the blogosphere that the Finnish immigration policy is, or has been, very strict. That’s simply not the case. It was strict up until the 1980s. But not anymore, and not for a long time.

    Fewer asylum seekers doesn’t mean that our immigration policy is more strict. E.g. if Sweden has more asylum seekers than Finland, that doesn’t mean that our immigration policy is more strict. We actually have substantially higher social security benefits for the asylum seekers than Sweden, and we grant asylum for a much larger proportion of applicants. Just like higher PISA scores don’t necessarily mean a better school system.

    There have been a few molotov cocktail attacks against the so called reception centers that house the asylum seekers, and their windows have been smashed a few times. Recently some protesters threw fireworks and stones against a bus carrying asylum seekers: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34358410

    The people have to act since the politicians aren’t doing anything.

  40. @5371
    From the article:
    [Finland has registered over 14,000 asylum seekers so far this year, and it expects a total of at least 30,000 by the end of the year -- eight times as many as in 2014.]

    That would be the equivalent of about 2 million a year in the US.
    Actually, it wouldn't have been a bad article, if it hadn't used the word "refugees" twice.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Refraining from calling them refugees wouldnt advance the narrative tho

  41. Countries like Lithuania (which I visit every year) will be too boring too. Practically all of the refugees who are sent there will be put to work cleaning bed pans in nursing homes. Within a year, practically all of them will depart for England.

    A huge portion of the Lithuanian young people have departed for England.

  42. On the boredom vs. excitement question, my understanding is that Welles ad-libbed it:

    I guess migrants aren’t up on their classic movies, although I suspect that Greene would have been on their side politically if not religiously.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @anony-mouse

    That is one of my favorite movies of all time. Brilliant acting by Orson Welles and Joseph Cotton. The screen play was original and written, as you note, by Graham Greene, who later made a novella out the screen play. A few years before I saw the movie (which was made in 1949), I was skiing in the Austrian Alps and stopped to have lunch at one of the little places up in the mountains along one of the trails. There was an older fellow playing a beautiful, haunting tune on a zither (a table stringed instrument related to the guitar), and I asked him what the name of the tune was. He answered with a quizzical look on his face as if he thought everyone should be familiar with the theme from "The Third Man." I drew a blank because I had not yet seen the movie, although I had read Greene's novella.

  43. @Ivy
    @Tacitus2016

    The travel agent apparently told them that they'd be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka

    Replies: @Tacitus2016, @Fredrik

    When a man is bored with Flicka culture, he is tired of life.

  44. @Grumpy Old Man
    The Finnish language would be completely alien to an Arabic speaker. Most Western European languages would be far easier.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    They would be equally alien. Any “international” words that an average Arabic speaker would know would also be found in Finnish.

    • Replies: @James Kabala
    @AndrewR

    Maybe he is referring to grammar and structure and the like. Finnish is agglutinative and also has fifteen cases, I believe.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @SteveO
    @AndrewR


    They would be equally alien.
     
    To someone who spoke only Arabic and had never been exposed to any other language, yes; but some of the migrants speak English, and all of the others will have at least seen a lot of English, even if they don't speak the language. If you recognize "the weather is windy", then "das Wetter ist windig" isn't much of a stretch. Similarly, Romance languages contain countless cognates of English words because of our Norman heritage.

    Google Translate claims that the same sentence in Finnish is "sää on tuulinen." Just a bit different ...

    Who knows whether it makes any difference to would-be immigrants, but Finnish would seem very alien indeed to an Arabic speaker who knew some English or French - it seems alien to native English and French speakers, too, after all.
  45. @Boomstick
    @e

    There are lots of illegals in Western Oregon and Washington. Rural farm labor in row crops, tree and shrub nurseries, construction, fast food, etc.

    Replies: @e

    Shows you what I know. Guess I should have checked the demos. I’d have thought the eastern portion of the state would have had more…in the apple growing business, perhaps.

  46. Shiite.

    Even with the same religion, racial differences remain.

    HBD meets Islam.

    http://www.vocativ.com/news/234297/saudis-blame-african-pilgrims-for-deadly-stampede-near-mecca/

  47. Could the Next House Speaker Do More on Immigration Reform?
    Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s home district is 35 percent Latino, but that hasn’t kept him from toeing his party’s hard line on illegal immigration.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-26/could-the-next-house-speaker-do-more-on-immigration-reform-

  48. “’You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,’ 22-year-old Muhammed told AFP in Tornio, as the mercury struggled to inch above 10 degrees Celsius (50 Fahrenheit) on a recent blustery grey day.”

    This is the best part, right here. Its approximately 50 degrees, and its too cold! Summer just ended earlier this week, my friend…wait until you experience Finnish winter! I live in South Dakota, and even I live in fear of a Finnish winter, which is like a Russian winter on steroids, LOL.

  49. ” Sweden has bigger immigrant communities”: they are not refugees; rather, they are reinforcements.

  50. @ivvenalis
    @Wilkey

    Open Borders zealots favor Open Borders, period. It doesn't matter whether it will lead to more immigration or less. The former outcome means that we need Open Borders because so many people want to immigrate/be with their own kind; the latter means it's not that big a deal anyway so why do you care so much?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    My second point, really, was that more legal immigration leads to more illegal immigration. Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them. I’ve read quotes from legal immigrants that if they weren’t allowed to bring their family members here legally that they would simply do so illegally. It was pretty chilling to read that individuals be so callously indifferent to the wishes of the people who had generously allowed them to migrate here.

    But that’s gratitude for you. People are never grateful for very long, especially immigrants. That’s especially true in the case of Muslim immigrants. Extremely rare is the Muslim who is very friendly or polite.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Wilkey


    Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them.
     
    Mao said, "The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea." The same is true of illegals. If there is a large enough community of co-ethnics already in place, the illegal has an easier time of blending in and avoiding detection.

    In fact Global Horizons, a manpower firm, was bringing in Thais a few years ago to pick apples and such in Washington state. The farmers were leery of Mexicans because once brought in to do the low paying task of picking apples, they would flee to the surrounding community, blend in with other Mexicans and move on to higher paying jobs.

    The Thais on the other hand had no such network, and thus were culturally and linguistically tied to the farm, so to speak, and would not run away.
    , @unpc downunder
    @Wilkey

    There's also the third category of migrant - the migrants or visitor who enters legally but works illegally, like the Chinese restaurant worker who works for three dollars an hour, the South East Asian prostitute, or the the Indian on a student visa who spends all their time working and pays no taxes. Naturally almost all these workers work for legal migrants of their own nationality.

    , @Kerry
    @Wilkey

    And how many Muslim immigrants do you know?

  51. @Anonymous
    A bigger point is that there is a good reason why Finland is so underpopulated compared to the more temperate European nations.
    Basically, it could never ever support a mass population until the age of mass food and fuel imports.
    Trying to lumber such an environmentally stressed nation with more people is crazy.

    Replies: @A Suomalainen

    This is an important fact. In the beginning of 20th century over the half of world’s population north of the Arctic Circle were Finns (i.e. before the great artificially created mass immingration to the northern part of Soviet Union and “Norwegianization” of northern Norway). Actually, ecologically speaking Finland is already overpopulated. In the 19th century the country faced several famines – the last ones in the 1868-1869, i.e. after the famous Irish potato famine. Finnish nature and agriculture were unable to support the population of under 2 million people on a meager year. Finnish ecological activist Pentti Linkola has said, that the “natural” population of Finland should be between 1 and 2 millions. In the early middle age Finland probably had population of less than hundred thousand people.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @A Suomalainen

    Not Finns, Finno-Ugrics. And it wasn't just immigration, was it?

    Stalin killed a lot of Finno-Ugric indigenous people with forced conscription, relocation, and such.

    Example:
    http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:749140/FULLTEXT01.pdf

    Wasn't NKVD largely populated by Those Who Must Never Be Named?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

    Unlike Jews, who worldwide seem to have numbered the same in 1948 as 1938--Finno-Ugric people were liquidated in some places by 1/2 to 2/3.

    Most of this is uninformed by HBD, so needs updating, but it can help introduce the uninitiated to the issues in play:

    http://www.suri.ee/eup/

    http://www.suri.ee/kongress/kolmas/en/print/golovkinp.html

    Half a million Karjalans never got to go home, and judging what the USSR did do Karjala, never will. Except to flip the bird elegantly and subtly, as here at about :50.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lkf_vSzpPU

    As for Pentti Linkola, he is refreshing in his non-PC-ness, but hardly an expert on what the population of anywhere "should" be. Though I do agree with him enthusiastically the matter of free running cats. And lifeboats.

    Remember also that agricultural famines usually correspond with externally imposed agricultural policy, underpinned by plant germplasm ill adapted to local conditions. (Wheat versus bush rye, for instance.)

  52. “Sweden has bigger immigrant communities because of a longer history of integration.”

    Sweden has unintegrated communities because of a longer history of integration.

    It’s all so wonderful.

  53. I have known some Finns and they have a joke about how Finns are so dull and dour that they make Swedes look like light hearted, fun loving Italians.
    A Swede and Finn are drinking together one night and they are sitting there, not saying a word, just pouring shots of akvavit and putting them down. Eventually the alcohol gets to the Swede and he starts to loosen up. After pouring the next round he raises his glass and says “skol”. The Finn slams his glass down in disgust; “yakity, yak, dammit, did we come here to talk or to drink!”

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Alfa158

    Also keep in mind that linguistically Finnish is not related to Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. It is not a Scandinavian language. Finnish is directly descended from Hungarian, and also apparently shares a branch line with Korean.

    But from a linguistic point, Finnish is in no ways related to Swedish and maybe that's a good thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @candid_observer
    @Alfa158

    The joke I heard from a guy who worked at a well known company in Finland:

    How can you tell if you've met an extroverted Finn?

    When he talks, he looks at your shoes.

  54. http://www.allehanda.se/angermanland/solleftea/asylsokande-vagrade-lamna-bussen-1

    In other news, yet another busload of migrants refused to step off the bus in Sweden. There has been a half-dozen of these stories now. “Refugees” are bussed from a reception center located north of Stockholm to some remote location where they are to be housed — sometimes in old hotels, conference centers, or similar buildings suitable for the housing of groups of individuals. Upon arrival to the destination the “refugees” refuse to step of the bus. The location isn’t good enough. Police are called in, but they can’t use force to evacuate the bus. (In Sweden the police doesn’t do evictions, those are handled by the Swedish Enforcement Authority.) This time it was an old pittoresque conference center near Sollefteå that wasn’t good enough. The migrants thought that the location was too remote for them.

    The old homepage of the conference center:

    https://bettans.botea.se/
    https://bettans.botea.se/huvudb.htm (The scenery.)
    https://bettans.botea.se/matsedel.htm (dining room)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sollefte%C3%A5

    Looking at the photographs one would have thought that this would have been a dream location for people fleeing war. This time things seemed to have turned out well in the end. “Protesting” by sitting in a cramped bus can’t have been very fun as some of the migrants accepted their horrendous fate after some hours, while others chose to go to Sollefteå to arrange their own living conditions. (It’s not clear from the original Swedish article what this actually means. Did they go off on their own? Perhaps continuing north towards Finland?)

  55. I have a comment under moderation that links to the French website, Fdesouche.com

    In case you’re unfamiliar with Fdesouche.com, here’s a very brief article about it in English, although it’s two years old:

    “the website Fdesouche.com is probably the single best source of anti-jihad, anti-European Genocide information in Europe. It has significantly influenced the tenour of political debate in France. For that reason, it has come under attack from the powers-that-be. After being questioned numerous times by police, the person believed to be behind the website, Pierre Sautarel, has just received a court summons. What the specific charges are, I don’t know. From what I have gathered previously about the legal attacks the website is being subjected to, my impression is that he is being held responsible for some comments left on the website by users.”

    http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/01/fdesouche-website-editor-given-court.html

  56. iSteveFan says:
    @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I’d imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    It’s not the weather that draws or repels Mexicans. They are drawn to areas where the Europeans are. Any European area in North America that is reasonably economically successful can expect to eventually find itself with a Mexican population so long as our immigration policies remain the same.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @iSteveFan

    Oregon and Washington also have mucho trabajo in their agricultural areas. Visit farms and ranches as I have and you will see many Mexicans, typically working alongside family or friends from the same village. December sees a southern migration over the holidays to spend several days including la noche buena (Christmas Eve) with family and, curiously, the day after Christmas is often spent shopping.

    Replies: @SteveO

    , @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Ivy

  57. “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,”

    Jeez, these Arab Semites sure are picky, picky.

    If they were Jewish Semites, they might have also complained about lack of welcoming golf clubs.

    Iraqi cat won’t eat duck.

    PS. They should all demand entry into Monaco, and $1000 each so they can gamble.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Priss Factor

    In modern parlance, Semite has come to describe any speaker of a Semitic language, including some Sudanese Arabic speakers. It is therefore not a very useful ethno-racial descriptor. Whole genome sequencing work shows that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly half Southern European and half Middle Eastern. They have minimal sub-Saharan admixture compared to Muslim Arabs. The Sudanese "Semites" are mostly sub-Saharan African with varying amounts of Middle Eastern admixture. You consistently deal in gross caricatures rather than accurate distinctions.

  58. iSteveFan says:
    @Wilkey
    @ivvenalis

    My second point, really, was that more legal immigration leads to more illegal immigration. Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them. I've read quotes from legal immigrants that if they weren't allowed to bring their family members here legally that they would simply do so illegally. It was pretty chilling to read that individuals be so callously indifferent to the wishes of the people who had generously allowed them to migrate here.

    But that's gratitude for you. People are never grateful for very long, especially immigrants. That's especially true in the case of Muslim immigrants. Extremely rare is the Muslim who is very friendly or polite.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @unpc downunder, @Kerry

    Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them.

    Mao said, “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.” The same is true of illegals. If there is a large enough community of co-ethnics already in place, the illegal has an easier time of blending in and avoiding detection.

    In fact Global Horizons, a manpower firm, was bringing in Thais a few years ago to pick apples and such in Washington state. The farmers were leery of Mexicans because once brought in to do the low paying task of picking apples, they would flee to the surrounding community, blend in with other Mexicans and move on to higher paying jobs.

    The Thais on the other hand had no such network, and thus were culturally and linguistically tied to the farm, so to speak, and would not run away.

  59. @eah
    So after all the blood and treasure -- in that order -- spent intervening in Iraq, the West's reward -- or punishment if you will -- is unending legions of Iraqi "refugees". Unreal -- the stupidity and criminal incompetence of the world's "leaders" is unreal.

    Replies: @tbraton

    Don’t look now, but the emigration train has started leaving Afghanistan for the Afghanis’ natural home in Christian Germany or somewhere in Christian Europe. Just imagine the essential skills that an illiterate Afghani can bring to Europe. One more good reason why we should have left that backward, landlocked Muslim country as soon as we expelled the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which was a few months after we decided to invade back in 2001. As one commenter on TAC put it a few years back, Afghanistan was a failed narco state before we intervened there, it was a failed narco state while we were there, and it will be a failed narco state after we leave.

  60. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    There marauders are ingrates and louts, so why even roll out the welcome mat?

    Finland allows them to come, but all it gets is insults for their hospitality.

    This problem goes to the heart of the matter in HBD.

    HBD tends to discuss peoples/races in terms of ‘smart’ and ‘dumb’, but it actually makes more sense to speak of the world as being divided between dammies and dummies.
    Dammies are smart people who act dumb, whereas dummies are dumb people who are just plain dumb and nothing can be done about it.
    Dammies have some hope cuz they have the innate smarts to know better, but the problem is their smarts have been manipulated ‘intellectually’ or ’emotionally’ to accept real dumb idears.

    Most smart people are not smarties but dammies. Smartness doesn’t mean being smart or thinking smart. More often than not, it means being a dammy. Smart people become dammies cuz they are manipulated by even smarter people. The smartest globalists fear smart people cuz smart people have enough smarts to know the truth, but then, this truth may pose a threat to the power of the smartest globalist folks. So, the smartest elites use PC and certain distractions to turn smart people onto dumb ideas. That way, smart people don’t really use their smarts and integrity but turn into dammies who yammer according to the programming of indoctrination.

    For proof of dammy-hood, just look at white Germans and Swedes. They are among the smarter people in the world, but they are such hopeless dammies. You’d think Germans are sort of like this cuz of Holocaust guilt, but Swedes are historically guilt-less but think and act the same way, or even worse. So, we have smart people in advanced nations acting like dammies. Or look at Japan, a high-IQ nation where men are only into videogames and women are only into cutesy cartoon kitties. Japanese society turns smart people into dammies.

    So, HBD needs to understand that the problem of the world isn’t about smarties vs dammies but about dammies and dummies.
    Being smart doesn’t guarantee one will think and act smart. If anything, the smarts could be intellectually corrupted and morally manipulated to promote the worst kinds of ideas.
    HBD should be about turning dammies into smarties, and this can only be done by not only teaching people how to think but making them aware of how they became prisoners of PC by all sorts of media and academic manipulation. Make people self-aware of the forces of manipulation in society and make them resist mentally and emotionally.

  61. @Ttjy
    Even the "desperate" migrants are picky. Who do these people think they are?.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Kat Grey

    Uh, with a name like Mohammed, they believe that they are the true heirs of God; therefore the lands of the infidels should be thankful, grateful that they are deigning to come to seek asylum in their lands. If Finland doesn’t want this vibrant diversity in their midst, then they will simply go to Sweden and liven up their nation. Think about it. They willingly travelled all the way from the Middle East just to come to Finland (though they were technically uninvited but thats not the point) and this is the thanks that they received. Boring. That is one of the worst sins a nation can be. Ranks up their with nationalist.

    Finland’s loss is Sweden’s gain.

  62. @Alfa158
    I have known some Finns and they have a joke about how Finns are so dull and dour that they make Swedes look like light hearted, fun loving Italians.
    A Swede and Finn are drinking together one night and they are sitting there, not saying a word, just pouring shots of akvavit and putting them down. Eventually the alcohol gets to the Swede and he starts to loosen up. After pouring the next round he raises his glass and says "skol". The Finn slams his glass down in disgust; "yakity, yak, dammit, did we come here to talk or to drink!"

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @candid_observer

    Also keep in mind that linguistically Finnish is not related to Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. It is not a Scandinavian language. Finnish is directly descended from Hungarian, and also apparently shares a branch line with Korean.

    But from a linguistic point, Finnish is in no ways related to Swedish and maybe that’s a good thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The very distant origins of Finnish and Hungarian:

    Modern genetic studies have shown that the Y-chromosome haplogroup N3, and sometimes N2, is almost specific though certainly not restricted to Uralic or Finno-Ugric speaking populations, especially as high frequency or primary paternal haplogroup.[16][17] These haplogroups branched from haplogroup N, which probably spread north, then west and east from Northern China about 12,000–14,000 years before present from father haplogroup NO (haplogroup O being the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Southeast Asia).

  63. @iSteveFan
    @e


    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I’d imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?
     
    It's not the weather that draws or repels Mexicans. They are drawn to areas where the Europeans are. Any European area in North America that is reasonably economically successful can expect to eventually find itself with a Mexican population so long as our immigration policies remain the same.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Steve Sailer

    Oregon and Washington also have mucho trabajo in their agricultural areas. Visit farms and ranches as I have and you will see many Mexicans, typically working alongside family or friends from the same village. December sees a southern migration over the holidays to spend several days including la noche buena (Christmas Eve) with family and, curiously, the day after Christmas is often spent shopping.

    • Replies: @SteveO
    @Ivy

    According to the 2010 Census, Wenatchee, WA is 29% Hispanic and Walla Walla is 22%, both probably undercounts and now outdated anyway.

    On the other side of the country, Lancaster, PA was 31% Hispanic five years ago; York was 29%.

    My point is that these are all intensely agricultural areas. Nowadays, the agricultural workers are overwhelmingly Hispanic. What were they back in Harvest of Shame days? Appalachian whites? American-born blacks? Both?

    Replies: @Lagertha

  64. @anony-mouse
    On the boredom vs. excitement question, my understanding is that Welles ad-libbed it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyuJQ_UO7OE

    I guess migrants aren't up on their classic movies, although I suspect that Greene would have been on their side politically if not religiously.

    Replies: @tbraton

    That is one of my favorite movies of all time. Brilliant acting by Orson Welles and Joseph Cotton. The screen play was original and written, as you note, by Graham Greene, who later made a novella out the screen play. A few years before I saw the movie (which was made in 1949), I was skiing in the Austrian Alps and stopped to have lunch at one of the little places up in the mountains along one of the trails. There was an older fellow playing a beautiful, haunting tune on a zither (a table stringed instrument related to the guitar), and I asked him what the name of the tune was. He answered with a quizzical look on his face as if he thought everyone should be familiar with the theme from “The Third Man.” I drew a blank because I had not yet seen the movie, although I had read Greene’s novella.

  65. @Wilkey
    @ivvenalis

    My second point, really, was that more legal immigration leads to more illegal immigration. Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them. I've read quotes from legal immigrants that if they weren't allowed to bring their family members here legally that they would simply do so illegally. It was pretty chilling to read that individuals be so callously indifferent to the wishes of the people who had generously allowed them to migrate here.

    But that's gratitude for you. People are never grateful for very long, especially immigrants. That's especially true in the case of Muslim immigrants. Extremely rare is the Muslim who is very friendly or polite.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @unpc downunder, @Kerry

    There’s also the third category of migrant – the migrants or visitor who enters legally but works illegally, like the Chinese restaurant worker who works for three dollars an hour, the South East Asian prostitute, or the the Indian on a student visa who spends all their time working and pays no taxes. Naturally almost all these workers work for legal migrants of their own nationality.

  66. @Ivy
    @Tacitus2016

    The travel agent apparently told them that they'd be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka

    Replies: @Tacitus2016, @Fredrik

    Flicka is the oldfashioned/formal Swedish word for girl.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Fredrik

    Perhaps I was too subtle in pointing out the benefits to refugees of a trip to Sweden to sample a different aspect of culture, such as girls instead of pastries?


    The travel agent apparently told them that they’d be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka
     
  67. @Wilkey
    @ivvenalis

    My second point, really, was that more legal immigration leads to more illegal immigration. Legal immigration creates networks which result in more illegals family members, recruiters, etc. who help the illegals navigate the system and who often live with them. I've read quotes from legal immigrants that if they weren't allowed to bring their family members here legally that they would simply do so illegally. It was pretty chilling to read that individuals be so callously indifferent to the wishes of the people who had generously allowed them to migrate here.

    But that's gratitude for you. People are never grateful for very long, especially immigrants. That's especially true in the case of Muslim immigrants. Extremely rare is the Muslim who is very friendly or polite.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @unpc downunder, @Kerry

    And how many Muslim immigrants do you know?

  68. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    This comment bothers me, because it demonstrates complete ignorance of the enormous scale and spread of Mexican migration to the United States. If you are an American, “e,” then you had better get out and look around. You are living decades in the past.

  69. @Alfa158
    I have known some Finns and they have a joke about how Finns are so dull and dour that they make Swedes look like light hearted, fun loving Italians.
    A Swede and Finn are drinking together one night and they are sitting there, not saying a word, just pouring shots of akvavit and putting them down. Eventually the alcohol gets to the Swede and he starts to loosen up. After pouring the next round he raises his glass and says "skol". The Finn slams his glass down in disgust; "yakity, yak, dammit, did we come here to talk or to drink!"

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @candid_observer

    The joke I heard from a guy who worked at a well known company in Finland:

    How can you tell if you’ve met an extroverted Finn?

    When he talks, he looks at your shoes.

  70. @Fredrik
    @Ivy

    Flicka is the oldfashioned/formal Swedish word for girl.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Perhaps I was too subtle in pointing out the benefits to refugees of a trip to Sweden to sample a different aspect of culture, such as girls instead of pastries?

    The travel agent apparently told them that they’d be enjoying the Flicka culture.
    Imagine their consternation at traveling all that way only to be greeted with some pastries.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flicka

  71. The West Virginia Defense. If all you can provide is three hots, a bed, and a roof, you’re not good enough for 21st century “refugees.” They’re seeking “refuge” from working class conditions.

  72. @AndrewR
    @Grumpy Old Man

    They would be equally alien. Any "international" words that an average Arabic speaker would know would also be found in Finnish.

    Replies: @James Kabala, @SteveO

    Maybe he is referring to grammar and structure and the like. Finnish is agglutinative and also has fifteen cases, I believe.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @James Kabala

    I have a bit of a hobby horse going WRT "cases" for Finnish or Hungarian: It's nothing like the use of cases in IE languages.

    Basically most of the cases in these languages (15-18) are simply postpositions that have a single form that are tacked onto a word to give its meaning. Thus in Hungarian to a direct object you tack on a "t", an indirect object takes "nak/nek" (depending on euphony, or "vowel harmony." Most of the cases simply function the way prepositions function in English, thus "near s.t." would be expressed "s.t. near" in those languages. And the postpositions are unchanged as such just as they are in English.

    The wrinkle is that all the postpositions also can take personal endings, thus "near me", near us" as we would say it in English. So in many cases they function as ordinary prepositions, just when they are tacked onto a noun they are tacked onto the end and called "cases." I think this makes both of these languages much more difficult to understand than they should be.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  73. The swarthy black haired Arab Muslim men probably thought the blonde haired women in Finland are not as sexy time as the blonde haired women in Sweden.

  74. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,”

    Jeez, these Arab Semites sure are picky, picky.

    If they were Jewish Semites, they might have also complained about lack of welcoming golf clubs.

    Iraqi cat won't eat duck.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOXRu2RD1wI

    PS. They should all demand entry into Monaco, and $1000 each so they can gamble.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In modern parlance, Semite has come to describe any speaker of a Semitic language, including some Sudanese Arabic speakers. It is therefore not a very useful ethno-racial descriptor. Whole genome sequencing work shows that Ashkenazi Jews are roughly half Southern European and half Middle Eastern. They have minimal sub-Saharan admixture compared to Muslim Arabs. The Sudanese “Semites” are mostly sub-Saharan African with varying amounts of Middle Eastern admixture. You consistently deal in gross caricatures rather than accurate distinctions.

  75. Finland is too boring for Islamic DIEversity is also code word for Finland does not have an extremely generous welfare system/safety nest like Germany and Sweden.

  76. @James Kabala
    @AndrewR

    Maybe he is referring to grammar and structure and the like. Finnish is agglutinative and also has fifteen cases, I believe.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    I have a bit of a hobby horse going WRT “cases” for Finnish or Hungarian: It’s nothing like the use of cases in IE languages.

    Basically most of the cases in these languages (15-18) are simply postpositions that have a single form that are tacked onto a word to give its meaning. Thus in Hungarian to a direct object you tack on a “t”, an indirect object takes “nak/nek” (depending on euphony, or “vowel harmony.” Most of the cases simply function the way prepositions function in English, thus “near s.t.” would be expressed “s.t. near” in those languages. And the postpositions are unchanged as such just as they are in English.

    The wrinkle is that all the postpositions also can take personal endings, thus “near me”, near us” as we would say it in English. So in many cases they function as ordinary prepositions, just when they are tacked onto a noun they are tacked onto the end and called “cases.” I think this makes both of these languages much more difficult to understand than they should be.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @SPMoore8

    I have the same "hobby horse". Cases are the easiest part of Finnish, and if you forget one, you can always work it into the genitive somehow.

    Also, there is a single "gender". In German, Russian, the Baltic tongues, and Latin, there are three. So that triples the number of case/gender combinations, with an explosion in possible endings.

  77. @iSteveFan
    @e


    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I’d imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos….how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?
     
    It's not the weather that draws or repels Mexicans. They are drawn to areas where the Europeans are. Any European area in North America that is reasonably economically successful can expect to eventually find itself with a Mexican population so long as our immigration policies remain the same.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Steve Sailer

    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Steve Sailer


    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.
     
    That's a good one. I will remember that. Being right on the border and already culturally similar, one would think New Mexico would be immigration central. I'm in Missouri and it is unreal how many Mexicans have popped up since W. was sworn in. We don't have anything like CA, but Missouri was basically a monoculture with two black areas (KC and Stl) when I grew up.
    , @Ivy
    @Steve Sailer

    New Mexico, aka The Land of Entrapment, is about as enticing to Mexicans as Finland is to "Syrians". Neither location provides much upside to a foreigner with dreams and aspirations. Mexican Dreamers can always find a willing host in California, similar to how Germany at times seems to want to host all those middle eastern dreamers.

  78. iSteveFan says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Ivy

    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.

    That’s a good one. I will remember that. Being right on the border and already culturally similar, one would think New Mexico would be immigration central. I’m in Missouri and it is unreal how many Mexicans have popped up since W. was sworn in. We don’t have anything like CA, but Missouri was basically a monoculture with two black areas (KC and Stl) when I grew up.

  79. @SPMoore8
    @James Kabala

    I have a bit of a hobby horse going WRT "cases" for Finnish or Hungarian: It's nothing like the use of cases in IE languages.

    Basically most of the cases in these languages (15-18) are simply postpositions that have a single form that are tacked onto a word to give its meaning. Thus in Hungarian to a direct object you tack on a "t", an indirect object takes "nak/nek" (depending on euphony, or "vowel harmony." Most of the cases simply function the way prepositions function in English, thus "near s.t." would be expressed "s.t. near" in those languages. And the postpositions are unchanged as such just as they are in English.

    The wrinkle is that all the postpositions also can take personal endings, thus "near me", near us" as we would say it in English. So in many cases they function as ordinary prepositions, just when they are tacked onto a noun they are tacked onto the end and called "cases." I think this makes both of these languages much more difficult to understand than they should be.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I have the same “hobby horse”. Cases are the easiest part of Finnish, and if you forget one, you can always work it into the genitive somehow.

    Also, there is a single “gender”. In German, Russian, the Baltic tongues, and Latin, there are three. So that triples the number of case/gender combinations, with an explosion in possible endings.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Alfa158

    Also keep in mind that linguistically Finnish is not related to Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian. It is not a Scandinavian language. Finnish is directly descended from Hungarian, and also apparently shares a branch line with Korean.

    But from a linguistic point, Finnish is in no ways related to Swedish and maybe that's a good thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The very distant origins of Finnish and Hungarian:

    Modern genetic studies have shown that the Y-chromosome haplogroup N3, and sometimes N2, is almost specific though certainly not restricted to Uralic or Finno-Ugric speaking populations, especially as high frequency or primary paternal haplogroup.[16][17] These haplogroups branched from haplogroup N, which probably spread north, then west and east from Northern China about 12,000–14,000 years before present from father haplogroup NO (haplogroup O being the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup in Southeast Asia).

  81. @AndrewR
    @Grumpy Old Man

    They would be equally alien. Any "international" words that an average Arabic speaker would know would also be found in Finnish.

    Replies: @James Kabala, @SteveO

    They would be equally alien.

    To someone who spoke only Arabic and had never been exposed to any other language, yes; but some of the migrants speak English, and all of the others will have at least seen a lot of English, even if they don’t speak the language. If you recognize “the weather is windy”, then “das Wetter ist windig” isn’t much of a stretch. Similarly, Romance languages contain countless cognates of English words because of our Norman heritage.

    Google Translate claims that the same sentence in Finnish is “sää on tuulinen.” Just a bit different …

    Who knows whether it makes any difference to would-be immigrants, but Finnish would seem very alien indeed to an Arabic speaker who knew some English or French – it seems alien to native English and French speakers, too, after all.

  82. As I wrote in response to Steve’s recent presidential campaign consultancy market survey and brainstorming session, regarding how to prepare ourselves to fend off flash mobs of invading Muslim “refugees”:

    4. Set up a processing area somewhere like northern Alaska. It’s cold up there, and all these scumbags who want to invade European Man’s living space come from warm latitudes (big surprise). Let the world and social media know that we have this place ready, and that everyone will be stuck there for a long time while we inefficiently clear them.

    5. Make sure they know that a lot of them will be permanently located up there somewhere, where we can say they will have the opportunity to work and make their homes — in northern Alaska, or North Dakota, or the most remote areas of Wyoming (cold and windy.)

    I don’t know how we could make it look to them like they would have to live up north permanently in a country with freedom of movement (point 5) but I’m sure we can make it known that we would process all of them up there, verrrry slowly.

    Cold climates keep the riffraff out. It’s the reason Northern Europe is Northern Europe and everything is better near Moynahan’s Canadian border. It’s also the reason the world’s most problematic religions didn’t originate where the weather gets cold.

    To prevent humanity from spoiling, keep it refrigerated (for at least one season per year).

  83. @Ivy
    @iSteveFan

    Oregon and Washington also have mucho trabajo in their agricultural areas. Visit farms and ranches as I have and you will see many Mexicans, typically working alongside family or friends from the same village. December sees a southern migration over the holidays to spend several days including la noche buena (Christmas Eve) with family and, curiously, the day after Christmas is often spent shopping.

    Replies: @SteveO

    According to the 2010 Census, Wenatchee, WA is 29% Hispanic and Walla Walla is 22%, both probably undercounts and now outdated anyway.

    On the other side of the country, Lancaster, PA was 31% Hispanic five years ago; York was 29%.

    My point is that these are all intensely agricultural areas. Nowadays, the agricultural workers are overwhelmingly Hispanic. What were they back in Harvest of Shame days? Appalachian whites? American-born blacks? Both?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @SteveO

    They were the many children of farm families...long gone since most large farms are corporate and most mid-western families/farm families no longer have 5+ children. My brother-in-law is the only, and youngest son of 6 who grew up on a large family farm in the mid-west. His parents sold their vast land to a corporation (in the late 70's, a couple of years before, The River, starring Mel and Sissy, came out) since they had to focus on the education of all their daughters who didn't want to farm, and, his dad died.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    The state that gets amazingly few Mexicans is New Mexico due to a surplus of Old Mexicans.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Ivy

    New Mexico, aka The Land of Entrapment, is about as enticing to Mexicans as Finland is to “Syrians”. Neither location provides much upside to a foreigner with dreams and aspirations. Mexican Dreamers can always find a willing host in California, similar to how Germany at times seems to want to host all those middle eastern dreamers.

  85. This is the funniest thing about the “refugees” and Finland! Would that they all blow-off Finland. My octogenarian mother mentioned the idea of the cold, the fall rains that never end, the “winter is coming” gloom we both know so well, halting the traffic pretty quickly.

    I was annoyed that Sweden smarmily stuffed “refugees” on buses to Haaparanda/Tornio thinking the Finns are not gonna be fast enough (because we are dense people and not as sophisticated as the Swedes!) to get up to Lapland. Of course, Sweden forgot (they were not fighting in WW2 like the Finns fighting an epic existential crisis) just how strategic Tornio has been since WW2. Thank goodness Finns have an army, navy and air force.

    Supposedly, the govt has scaled back welfare benefits for its public and limiting it for refugees (emergency session this past summer) but, the weather and climate (Svalbard-like Oct.-May) is like the land “beyond the wall.” Speaking of, did anyone notice the recent article on Svalbard having to dip into its vault to prevent food shortages in the middle east?

    Anyway, maybe my precious Finland can survive somehow. I feel hopeful…and, totally OT: am so happy right now with Brady’s 400th touchdown pass! My patriots are just killin’ it right now! I know many of you guys hate the Patriots/Brady/Belechik, but success is really the best revenge.

  86. @SteveO
    @Ivy

    According to the 2010 Census, Wenatchee, WA is 29% Hispanic and Walla Walla is 22%, both probably undercounts and now outdated anyway.

    On the other side of the country, Lancaster, PA was 31% Hispanic five years ago; York was 29%.

    My point is that these are all intensely agricultural areas. Nowadays, the agricultural workers are overwhelmingly Hispanic. What were they back in Harvest of Shame days? Appalachian whites? American-born blacks? Both?

    Replies: @Lagertha

    They were the many children of farm families…long gone since most large farms are corporate and most mid-western families/farm families no longer have 5+ children. My brother-in-law is the only, and youngest son of 6 who grew up on a large family farm in the mid-west. His parents sold their vast land to a corporation (in the late 70’s, a couple of years before, The River, starring Mel and Sissy, came out) since they had to focus on the education of all their daughters who didn’t want to farm, and, his dad died.

  87. @Ttjy
    Even the "desperate" migrants are picky. Who do these people think they are?.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Kat Grey

    Gods.

  88. @George
    Israel's soaring population: Promised Land running out of room?

    http://news.yahoo.com/israels-soaring-population-promised-land-running-room-115832401--business.html

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    Odd they don’t run stories about Gazans having too many children, or Hatians, or Lebanese, or Syrians, or Africans. No it is the one Westernized country in the Mideast that should not have so many children. I am sure if the Japanese started having them, the press would be filled with stories about too many Japanese. It is the intelligent who must not have children. The more intelligent, the more we must worry about them having children. The dysgenic propaganda that is pushed on us is scary.

  89. @e
    Are there really many Mexicans in lush but gray and rainy Oregon and Washington? I doubt it. I'd imagine the northern migration pretty much stops at the northern border of the hot Central Valley, just above Sacramento around Marysville.

    Mexicans love horses, rodeos....how about Calgary, Alberta. No, huh?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Daniel Williams, @Chance, @Perspective, @JSM, @gruff, @iSteveFan, @Grumpy, @Olorin

    What Grumpy said.

    You want to p!ss off a small business owner in OR or WA? Ask him/her if he uses eVerify when you’re shopping for landscaping, construction, contracting, farmwork, dog grooming, cat shaving, or anything else.

    These more-American-than-thou cowboy-hat entrepreneurs don’t like that. They use illegals heavily and externalize the costs onto taxpayers.

    Then they wonder why we laugh in their faces when they bash on about the sanctity of “the private sector,” or screech about how “liberals are socialists.”

  90. @Anonymous
    The absurdity of the whole situation from start to finish - why the Hell are middle eastern men choosing to live in a christian sub-arctic deeply parochial little nation?, whilst ignoring the vast swathes of culturally similar nations, has never made any sense to me.

    Unless you factor in dumb whitey giving away taxpayer cash to complete aliens with no connection to the nation.

    Replies: @Olorin

    “Christian”?

    Er, yeah, if by that you mean everyone is nominally Lutheran, but few attend church, and when they do, it can be heavy metal masses.

    My Finnish relatives are all heathen, and damn proud of it.

    The national religion of Finland is metal. And winter. Period.

  91. @A Suomalainen
    @Anonymous

    This is an important fact. In the beginning of 20th century over the half of world's population north of the Arctic Circle were Finns (i.e. before the great artificially created mass immingration to the northern part of Soviet Union and "Norwegianization" of northern Norway). Actually, ecologically speaking Finland is already overpopulated. In the 19th century the country faced several famines - the last ones in the 1868-1869, i.e. after the famous Irish potato famine. Finnish nature and agriculture were unable to support the population of under 2 million people on a meager year. Finnish ecological activist Pentti Linkola has said, that the "natural" population of Finland should be between 1 and 2 millions. In the early middle age Finland probably had population of less than hundred thousand people.

    Replies: @Olorin

    Not Finns, Finno-Ugrics. And it wasn’t just immigration, was it?

    Stalin killed a lot of Finno-Ugric indigenous people with forced conscription, relocation, and such.

    Example:
    http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:749140/FULLTEXT01.pdf

    Wasn’t NKVD largely populated by Those Who Must Never Be Named?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

    Unlike Jews, who worldwide seem to have numbered the same in 1948 as 1938–Finno-Ugric people were liquidated in some places by 1/2 to 2/3.

    Most of this is uninformed by HBD, so needs updating, but it can help introduce the uninitiated to the issues in play:

    http://www.suri.ee/eup/

    http://www.suri.ee/kongress/kolmas/en/print/golovkinp.html

    Half a million Karjalans never got to go home, and judging what the USSR did do Karjala, never will. Except to flip the bird elegantly and subtly, as here at about :50.

    As for Pentti Linkola, he is refreshing in his non-PC-ness, but hardly an expert on what the population of anywhere “should” be. Though I do agree with him enthusiastically the matter of free running cats. And lifeboats.

    Remember also that agricultural famines usually correspond with externally imposed agricultural policy, underpinned by plant germplasm ill adapted to local conditions. (Wheat versus bush rye, for instance.)

  92. “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,”
    WTF do they need bars for?

    • Replies: @Wilson
    @Tony

    They hang around outside waiting for the drunk women coming out

  93. The survival of the white race lies in all of us moving to areas so cold that none of the sun people would ever think about moving to.

  94. @Tony
    “You can tell the world I hate Finland. It’s too cold, there’s no tea, no restaurants, no bars, nobody on the streets, only cars,”
    WTF do they need bars for?

    Replies: @Wilson

    They hang around outside waiting for the drunk women coming out

  95. @e
    They took one look at the sullen faces of the perpetually depressed Finlanders and turned around.

    Seasonal affective disorder? I've read that, but one would think they'd have evolved to handle that lack of sun.

    Replies: @tj

    People use, happy lights in Alaska, to avoid the long dark winter depression. They are big lights that imitate sunlight.

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